RSSAnd Trump’s victory was Grand, Chomsky’s pipe dreams notwithstanding. He won the popular vote in every state except California, where voting fraud is highly likely. Sanders was cheated out of his primary victory there by Clinton. When linguist Daniel Everett challenged Chomsky’s universal grammar theories, when he had found a tribe called Piraha in the Amazon that only knew and used the present tense, the pathetic Chomsky and his acolytes used their full influence in academia and politics, enlisting even the help of the Brazilian government to fight and suppress his findings.
A spoiled brat isn’t someone who built a fortune and has many times gotten himself up off of the canvas and went back into the fight stronger. And he’s no sociopath, sociopaths are manipulative self serving criminal personality types like Hillary or Sanders. Trump’s books, as confirmed by the polish traveler and comedian- Cejrowski, from decades ago show he’s been as consistent in his views as in his preference for Slavic women. Even if ghost written, Trump would not have had them published with contents contrary to his beliefs. Trump is brash and talks straight, hardly a sociopath.
I’ve always regarded Chomsky as a communist ideologue, a fake intellectual, not an anarchist. He wants a government in some form to boss people around. I pity the fool. When commies have seized power, they usually shot useful idiots and true believers like him, when they were no longer needed as propagandists and became disillusioned about the new system. I’m not sure he himself believes what he says, maybe he just wants to maintain the left wing guru aura to continue to promote himself.
I didn’t expect Trump to be able to do anything other than some cosmetic changes, like appointing a good judge. As if someone was able to take on the entrenched, deep and far reaching, decades old political and business relationships, the more than a dozen intelligence agencies, govt contractors, and all the bureaucracies at all levels underneath each department, that never change. At least he has good intentions, and would like to see the country prosper, unlike Bernie or Hillary who like some African dictators view government as a vehicle for personal enrichment. It would be naive to think he would succeed at anything, who would vote for his proposals ? The senators in the lobbyists’ pockets ? It would take maybe five two term presidencies, five consecutive Trumps, each new one with more resolve than the one before to reverse the decline of America.
Trump knows the wars the USA is engaged in do everyone no good, but that’s the way it’s been for decades, long before he came to power, and he can’t change it for the reasons I’ve mentioned. He cannot antagonize everybody for one day he’ll have to return to running his business and will have to deal with government officials, bureaucrats and business people of all political stripes. He is doing the best he can given the situation he found himself in.
The working class white Americans have nobody to blame but themselves. Vermont- one of the whitest states has Sanders as a senator. At least Trump has provided many good construction jobs for them over the years, where even criminal, self serving labor unions took their cut. And don’t join the military if you have a problem with being used as cannon fodder, it’s not a good place for Christians these days, maybe it’s never been after the revolutionary war. The white-hating Obama would have loved to give all the money used for wars as welfare benefits for the colored, to build government housing and schools for non-whites in white neighborhoods, but couldn’t do anything either. The forces at play are no match for any elected top official.
I saw a documentary, some years ago, about the Civil Rights Movement on PBS, and so I’ve heard it straight from the horse’s mouth how 90% of the “whites” who were helping blacks were Jews. There are pictures from the sixties, on the web, of Bernie Sanders demonstrating and scuffling with police. On orders from Moscow, the activists were lauded by the commie propaganda in Poland at the time, as were all anti-war hippies, students, artists, and other degenerates. It therefore was pretty clear who was behind it.
Their brevity may be benefits.Democracy is rule by morons, fools, and busybodies (just like all other forms of rule), has never really existed to any degree, and really shouldn't be allowed to because it can easily be subverted and become an agent of oppression. Capitalism has many forms and most of them end up being perverted by the big money bag shysters themselves which I think is the biggest problem. Another big problem is that crooks can gather capital relatively easily compared to hard working productive folk, and capital tends toward both monopolies and monopsonies, both of which involve a loss of freedom for the rest of us. Liberal as well as illiberal forms of capitalism wind up becoming tyrannical plut-oligarchical forms, such as we have in the USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika).The defects are those of human nature and are probably insurmountable but it sure gives us something to argue about!Replies: @Drapetomaniac, @polaco
That’s the biggest problem with democracy and capitalism: they don’t last too long.
It’s perverse to call the West capitalist. I’m not 100% sure but in France 60% of her GDP is government spending. She’s not less and less socialist like the author claims. Macron wants an EU wide tax to keep her alive. And to call America libertarian-capitalist is ridiculous. Just look what government involvement in medical care has caused, the costs are out of control. If somehow individual and corporate income taxes were abolished, and most government departments liquidated- and government has never shrunk, it always grows bigger and deeper like metastatic cancer, if people were free to do or not to do business with whomever they wanted, direct investment would skyrocket, capital would flow back to America and China would be left in the dust. The way things stand now, morons want free stuff from their government without understanding the consequences, the national security sector must never have its budget slashed, and corporations are lobbying the government to rig the game in their favor. Human nature hasn’t changed in thousands of years and history is never forgiving as it’s being made.
To call it free and moral is also ridiculous. Ineffably so.The US, contrary to the standard myths (myths which will probably never die), was in fact never designed to accommodate a pure, generalized laissez faire capitalism. The tables were always tilted in favor of the collectivist capitalists who are masters at collectivizing risk while privatizing profits.The system was always designed to favor the big money crowd in various ways including direct and indirect subsidies and including special favors such as no bid contracts and bailouts. The collectivist part of it really took off under Wilson and as a result of WW1 to the cheers of the biggest monopolists and the US has been almost totally a centrally planned, de facto militaristic fascist state since Hoover and FDR and WW2.Required reading for anyone interested in myth busting is the source of this quote.
And to call America libertarian-capitalist is ridiculous.
Historians have generally treated the economic planning of World War I as an isolated episode dictated by the requirements of the day and having little further significance. But, on the contrary, the war collectivism served as an inspiration and as a model for a mighty army of forces destined to forge the history of twentieth-century America. For big business, the wartime economy was a model of what could be achieved in national coordination and cartelization, in stabilizing production, prices, and profits, in replacing old fashioned competitive laissez-faire by a system that they could broadly control and that would harmonize the claims of various powerful economic groups. A NEW HISTORY OF LEVIATHAN, Essays on the Rise of the American Corporate State, EDITED BY RONALD RADOSH AND MURRAY N. ROTHBARD,1972, pp 92-93
Someone observed correctly that in reality an antisemite is an individual hated by jews. You may not even know that jews exist, but if for some reason they don’t like you than that’s what you’ll be called.
Agreed. But Japan's success has a limit capped by its owner - the US; whereas theoritically speaking China's has no such a limit , because as a historical statue-quo power China can operate, and have been operating, both inside and outside of the current US global system. That's why most US political elites are panicking.
Sorry, bad article. Bad comment. Economically illiterate. As was the case in the halcyon days of Japan’s rapid economic growth, China’s growth reflects a high-IQ people operating in now semi-open markets who are quickly adopting technologies that were already developed elsewhere (and, granted, have done some innovation on their own)..
FX rate derived- so called "living standard" of non-traditionally industrialised western countries reflects the power of greatly maneuverable mainstream narrative, sometimes to the degree of being funny, of petrodollar system guaranteed by aircraft carriers and ICBMs.
China’s average living standards are still below Mexico’s.
In fact countries like Japan will NEVER match the living standard of the US. It has nothing to do with intelligence, innovations, organisations, etc, but because
Japan’s average living standards never matched those in the US. .
I don’t think the US is keeping anybody down in terms of living standards, it even build the Soviet industry according to Anthony Sutton’s research, Cuba’s unspeakable poverty is not thanks to the US embargo. Japan is a mountainous country where people live packed closely together, they live in different conditions, their culture is different. Norway gave $850M to the Clinton Foundation, then it must be a client state as you call it, yet its standard of living is the highest in the world thanks to the North Sea oil, and low, homogeneous white population. Japan has 25 times the population of Norway, their circumstances are more to blame than the US. Lacking natural resources Japan had no choice and did very well exporting quality manufactured goods. In the 80’s economists in the US worried that Japan would overtake America in terms of GDP by the year 2000.
Hehe, really? Perhaps you should revisit some geopolitics textbooks.
I don’t think the US is keeping anybody down in terms of living standards,
Hehe, really? Perhaps you should revisit some geopolitics textbooks.
I don’t think the US is keeping anybody down in terms of living standards,
In terms of living standards the US is quite low for a major power, if one only looks at whites it may not be that bad, so are you talking about that or military strength, or that the US is the largest and strongest economy currently. Politicians explain themselves in one way or another when they want to do something major, to start a war. These wars have nothing to do with living standards and “ways of life”. Why has China risen so rapidly if the US is fighting tooth and nail to prevent that. American companies have been investing in China big time, not pulling out. When Nixon persuaded the Saudis to only accept the dollar in 1973, the US was already past its prime of the 50’s and 60’s. Even in the 70’s when Americans showed up as tourists in Europe they could easily afford much luxury, not so much anymore. How did that happen if they supposedly control the world. These politicians are so incompetent they don’t see anything coming, they may try to react when things are obvious but the US will not be able to prevent the rise of China, or anybody else. The British were afraid of Germany rising before WWI, yet capital fled Europe to the US between and after both world wars and the British empire was finished. Historically every country used its military to ensure its domination and economic interests and it’s better not to be on the receiving end. America’s greatness has not been thanks to politicians, but they helped to destroy it, capital will go where it’s treated best. And sure, a small country can’t compete with one with a large economy for world reserve currency status, but it can have a high standard of living. If the EU thought the euro out better, it could compete with the dollar, but Europe would have to be one country for that to happen and issue common debt. And the debt market thwarts the oil trade by a huge margin.
I’m not sure North Korea would survive a week without China. The Chinese are the only reason it has survived for so long. SA couldn’t count on such a large neighbor for trade and political support, commies from all around the world were working against her, the country was totally alone. That said, I agree that every country should pursue and give its own interests the same high priority Israel gives its own.
The justice system in PL is corrupt to the core, it’s grown like cancer through the decades. Before WWII the situation was different, most lawyers, judges, and prosecutors came from the upper social strata, had solid educational background, were principled, ethical, Catholic and patriotic with impeccable manners or at least knew those values were expected of them. These people were systematically and meticulously attacked on all sides so that no respectable person remained in practice after the war, Russians begun installing their lackeys recruited from the lowest social classes, anti-Catholic, anti-polish, without a moral code, criminal communist personalities, oafs; they had mostly fake degrees obtained through “accelerated” courses the Communist party offered them at specially created institutions. There were many Jews in high positions, like the infamous Helena Wolinska whose job was to prosecute polish patriots. Even now you essentially can’t be admitted to the bar unless you have an advocate in your family, outsiders aren’t welcome and they’d better not try. Now the grandchildren of these people are running the show, and they’re still morally degenerate louts. Judges often seem to side with criminals with whom they empathize and have a lot in common philosophically, they openly flaunt victims seeking justice. Judges dictate to court reporters what to write in the transcript, if you protest they yell at you like at a communist show trial, attorneys work against clients when it’s in their interest. The judges’ approval is at around 30%. In the city of Bialystok in north eastern Poland, which incidentally has the largest Russian minority in the country, about three quarters of the judges of the appellate court are relatives. So you get a sense of what the Law and Justice party is up against. Needless to say, the Constitutional Tribunal was created during the martial law in the eighties by general Jaruzelski, to give the stamp of approval to the military and dismiss anyone who tried to point to whatever legal protection the communist Constitution offered.
The “polish fascist” you’re talking about, that were viciously persecuted after the war by Russians, were actually people who resisted the Nazis the most, so as new occupants, the Russians assumed correctly that they would resist them as well and focused their attention on those “troublemakers”. Calling them fascists you sound like a Russian TV set, they label their perceived enemies Nazis and fascists, just like the left wing terrorists in the West whom Russia supported and lead in the sixties and seventies that now took on a life of their own and even turn against her.
There’s nothing antisemitic in their programming. Totally zero. If they were they wouldn’t even get a license to broadcast. Any thinking person realizes this. Radio Maryja has been under attack by the left since inception. Particularly by the Gazeta Wyborcza, the preeminent leftist rag, which used to be the largest newspaper in circulation until peoples’ eyes have opened and now it’s struggling. It’s longtime editor in chief, now retired, was one Adam Michnik, a jew whose real name is Schechter and whose half brother Stefan, a Stalinist prosecutor, lives in exile in Sweden and has successfully fought off several extradition attempts by Poland to bring him to justice for his crimes. His line of defense was of course that notorious polish antisemitism which would joeperdize any chance of having a fair trial.
I understand less and less is expected of all students because of the inabilities of blacks and Hispanics. But because these groups really have culturally nothing to do with America, they just happen to be there, racial differentiation should be used when comparing these rankings. Today kids who want to learn can do so on their own like never before, and people should question the necessity of public education. The whole public sector is problematic and everybody here knows this, seventeen year old supermarket cashiers are a much higher class of people, more intelligent, competent, and responsible than any government worker. But I’m not against government, in a free society those who want politicians to run their lives can have them, and all the departments and laws they want, they should just keep it to themselves, bear the total cost, pay the necessary taxes, and leave the rest of us alone. This is just my wishful thinking.
I was replying to comment # 20 https://www.unz.com/article/when-failure-is-really-success/#comment-2085031
Talking about medieval kingdoms and nationalism is stretching it a bit. And why are you singling out Poland? We have no history of perpetrating genocide contrary to the Jewish lies about various pogroms. In Russia they teach schoolchildren how their ancestors were just simple peaceful peasants and suddenly some evil Hitler attacked them for no reason. Every government and country in history have operated similarly, big fish eat the little ones. And I must say that over 90% of the Orthodox Christians in Poland voted against the current government, so they’re no friends of ours even today, we’d have Belarus here if they had their way- of all white people, the Russ have had the most horrible, anti-human countries for centuries, Snowden had hoped he could leave Russia and get asylum in Brazil. The cities in Western Ukraine were founded and build by Poles, they’re probably never going to be Polish again, nevertheless lots of people have fond memories of the past and sentimental reasons to reminisce. The far right is politically irrelevant, just like the German far right with their dreams about Danzig, Breslau, and Stettin. Russians, Germans, and the Jewish civil servants in their service were particularly nasty to us while Poland was partitioned, after WWI, they got practically zero in terms of the payback they deserved, their allegiance was never to the host country. These are minor issues actually, Poland is still a very statist country, no communist was ever convicted for his crimes, the government run medical care system is dysfunctional and corrupt, most communist-era bureaucracies remain in place, there is even the Ministry of Sport if you can believe it. But compared to other European countries things are at least improving, the current government is the first since 1939 that actually has our interests in mind, and they’re not thieves like their predecessors were. Many big name financial institutions are setting up shop in Poland. The Poles who work abroad see what diversity is and resent becoming strangers in their own country, at least this issue is not up for debate.
Wow. So did the ethnic Ukrainians ruled by Poland deserve such "payback" as well?Replies: @polaco
....after WWI, they [Russians, Germans, Jews] got practically zero in terms of the payback they deserved....
Are you sure this is good for Poland? Who are you working for?Replies: @polaco
Many big name financial institutions are setting up shop in Poland.
Wow. So did the ethnic Ukrainians ruled by Poland deserve such "payback" as well?Replies: @polaco
....after WWI, they [Russians, Germans, Jews] got practically zero in terms of the payback they deserved....
Many Russian serfs were escaping to Poland where they would have been treated better, If they had made it to the Zaporohzian Sich they would become free people. The Ukrainians fared better in Poland and their language has survived only where Poland used to be. Ukrainians are responsible for a real genocide of the Poles- the Wolyn Massacre, and Russia had employed the Cossacs against us many times in the past. The countries that partitioned Poland had hoped to destroy our culture and identity, and went about it rather strictly, but that’s not easy and takes a long time, WWI gave us a break, and we had the more reason to really rally together and keep these minorities in check. Many Poles throw all eastern Slavs into the same bag, there’s no distinction as they are usually called the Russkies, regardless of whether they’re from Ukraine or Belarus. Now some on the far right see this differently, they’d been sympathetic to Russia against Ukraine (let Russia take the east and we’ll take back the west) long before Russia started to defend her military equipment production facilities in Eastern Ukraine in the current turmoil, and because of the present situation in Ukraine even the average guy on the street begins to notice some differences. But many Poles who still live in Ukraine would say that Russians and Ukrainians are the same peoples as far as they’re concerned. If you want to live in Poland, fine, but we’re not multicultural and we have historical reasons to look at our neighbors with suspicion. All countries should cooperate economically, respect one another, but retain their identity and suppress all centrifugal forces.
As they say in Spain "Ojalá!" (May it come to pass). God (Allah) willing from the Arabic.
If you want to live in Poland, fine, but we’re not multicultural and we have historical reasons to look at our neighbors with suspicion. All countries should cooperate economically, respect one another, but retain their identity and suppress all centrifugal forces.
The opposite happened. Orthodox Ruthenians migrated eastward away from oppression by Catholic Poles. The Uniate Church gained converts who hoped that by joining something called "Catholic" they would get better treatment from the Poles. That only worked until the Vatican decided the Uniates were heretics and the Polish lords treated them accordingly.
Many Russian serfs were escaping to Poland where they would have been treated better.....
The Ukrainian dialect emerged in areas under Polish rule. It was first recognized as a language under Austrian rule. Austria allowed the Ukrainians rights that they never had under Polish rule. They were conferred rights to their own political organizations and to have printed works that reflected their identity. Ukrainian language newspapers were first allowed under Austrian rule. To this day, Austrian rulers are presented in heroic portraits in western Ukraine. Not that the Austrians granted Ukrainians their status out of the good of their hearts; they were seeking allies against Russia.
The Ukrainians fared better in Poland and their language has survived only where Poland used to be.
Such "keeping minorities in check" included driving them out of business, professional services, and academia in the territories Poland gained during their 1918-1921 wars against the Ukrainian Republic and the Soviets. A large emigration of Ukrainians and Jews resulted. A lot of those Ukrainian emigres ended up in Canada.
WWI gave us a break, and we had the more reason to really rally together and keep these minorities in check.
That is a bizarre contention. Russia had no problem in-sourcing any armaments production formerly farmed out to the Ukrainian SSR. Ukrainian industry was more dependent on trade and technological exchange with Russia than vice-versa. That's one major reason why Ukrainian industry has stagnated in the post-Soviet era and their aerospace industry has imploded.Replies: @polaco, @szopen
...Russia started to defend her military equipment production facilities in Eastern Ukraine in the current turmoil...
Are you sure this is good for Poland? Who are you working for?Replies: @polaco
Many big name financial institutions are setting up shop in Poland.
I’m just describing what’s happening. It’s not like Poland will ever become the financial capital of the world, but they are bringing in jobs in IT and other fields. A small country like Poland has to contend with the existing situation, and it’s the big players who make the rules. Whatever market manipulations bankers engage in, their having a back office in Poland is of no consequence. Before joining the Euro, Greece brought in Goldman Sachs to help them disguise their debts and look what happened to them down the road, I don’t know if GS had a branch office in Greece at that time. Just this year, I think this month, Poland said adios to the IMF’s emergency line of credit, the access to which carried a large annual “subscription” fee, and it was the previous government that had arranged it with the dreaded and corrupt IMF.
There was a prime minister in 1992, Olszewski, a lawyer by trade and an atheist I think, who tried to have a law passed that would have prohibited former communists from holding public offices, at least for the following two decades. He had also tried to make the secret police archives public (most of them by then had unfortunately been destroyed, many remain in the hands of former officers of the secret police, the notorious SB) which would have exposed all their assets still active in public life, and subject to blackmail. Walesa had long been suspected of being one, going back to the seventies, and it has now been confirmed, although he vehemently denies it. The Walesa files were held by a high ranking police general- Kiszczak, whose widow attempted to sell them to a private collector after her husband’s death this year, the prospective buyer notified police, and these files saw the light of day to Walesa’s understandable disappointment. There was a de facto coup d’etat against Olszewski, in which Walesa played an important role. Olszewski was a statesman, and that was shortly after the fall of communism in Poland. Up until now there was a lot of mismanagement, theft and corruption and things have gotten so bad that even those most in denial had to face reality, and opted for something different. The number of people who left the country to work abroad speaks for itself, it’s been at slightly over two million since 2007, and domestic unemployment has been intolerable (about 15% in 2013 and now about 7% officially, these government numbers as always are questionable). The former elites that lost power, had occupied the Polish house of parliament for two weeks in late 2016 hoping to force a new election, the people for the most part laughed them off, and they gave up defeated. But all the legacy communist institutions, and the people who work there, have inflicted the maximum damage by now, so it’s all about picking up the pieces presently. The current ruling party didn’t really win in a landslide, they got 37%, but because there are many political parties, and due to the way the seats in the parliament are allotted to the parties that get the most votes, they got to form the government, and so given the way the system works it was a big win. I’d say in Poland about 30% of voters are communists/left-wingers, 30% right wingers, and 40% swing voters. So if the world economy nosedives taking Poland with it the old people may be back in power.
The opposite happened. Orthodox Ruthenians migrated eastward away from oppression by Catholic Poles. The Uniate Church gained converts who hoped that by joining something called "Catholic" they would get better treatment from the Poles. That only worked until the Vatican decided the Uniates were heretics and the Polish lords treated them accordingly.
Many Russian serfs were escaping to Poland where they would have been treated better.....
The Ukrainian dialect emerged in areas under Polish rule. It was first recognized as a language under Austrian rule. Austria allowed the Ukrainians rights that they never had under Polish rule. They were conferred rights to their own political organizations and to have printed works that reflected their identity. Ukrainian language newspapers were first allowed under Austrian rule. To this day, Austrian rulers are presented in heroic portraits in western Ukraine. Not that the Austrians granted Ukrainians their status out of the good of their hearts; they were seeking allies against Russia.
The Ukrainians fared better in Poland and their language has survived only where Poland used to be.
Such "keeping minorities in check" included driving them out of business, professional services, and academia in the territories Poland gained during their 1918-1921 wars against the Ukrainian Republic and the Soviets. A large emigration of Ukrainians and Jews resulted. A lot of those Ukrainian emigres ended up in Canada.
WWI gave us a break, and we had the more reason to really rally together and keep these minorities in check.
That is a bizarre contention. Russia had no problem in-sourcing any armaments production formerly farmed out to the Ukrainian SSR. Ukrainian industry was more dependent on trade and technological exchange with Russia than vice-versa. That's one major reason why Ukrainian industry has stagnated in the post-Soviet era and their aerospace industry has imploded.Replies: @polaco, @szopen
...Russia started to defend her military equipment production facilities in Eastern Ukraine in the current turmoil...
the Poles have treated Orthodox and Uniate Ukrainians horribly
Poland was in real control of its territory for a mere 21 years from 1772 to 1989. Then tell me who inflicted more suffering upon whom, especially in the most recent time period. Nevertheless, the Jewish propaganda film directors in the Soviet Union made many movies showing how terribly the evil Catholic Polish landowners had treated the Orthodox peasants before the Soviet Union stepped in to help. The Czars have exiled huge numbers of Poles to Siberia, and confiscated their assets, which were oftentimes acquired by Jewish merchants and financiers. Before WWI people had to travel to the Austrian partition to have a Catholic wedding in a church, because Russians prohibited it. I don’t need to write about the Poles who died in Soviet labour camps in Siberia, how mothers had to throw their frozen babies out of train windows while being transported there, or died working as literal slaves while building various industrial city complexes in Soviet Russia. This was all in the twentieth century.
The Ukrainian dialect emerged in areas under Polish rule.
Then I’d say we’re quite right to call them Russians, it was the Kievan Rus after all.
Such “keeping minorities in check” included driving them out of business, professional services, and academia in the territories Poland gained during their 1918-1921 wars against the Ukrainian Republic and the Soviets.
It’s not a good idea to give minorities a voice in politics. Poland has a problem with corruption because of the communist legacy, but in Ukraine corruption is staggering. The sons of president Yanukovych were engaging in extortion and racketeering. If you travel to Ukraine in your car with Polish marker plates, it’s like a target on your back, the cops will pull you over and you’d better have the money ready. The drivers are aggressive and the traffic is as chaotic as in Albania, no rules basically. Members of a society that cannot produce an orderly and functioning country should not be allowed to have a say in Polish politics now, and shouldn’t have been in the past.
A large emigration of Ukrainians and Jews resulted.
One of the slogans of Ukrainian nationalists was “Death to the Jewish- Muscovite Communism”.
That is a bizarre contention. Russia had no problem in-sourcing any armaments production formerly farmed out to the Ukrainian SSR
There are more than twenty military equipment factories in the Crimea, including one that makes the optics for the T 84 tanks. But of course the Naval base was what mattered most. The Motor Sich factory was responsible for supplying more than two thirds of Russian helicopter engines. Up until four years ago, the Yuzhmash factory used to build and service most of the Russian Satan 2 missiles. I don’t know this for a fact, but I’ve heard from several Ukrainians there was no real border between Russia and Eastern Ukraine.
In Taking Crimea, Putin Gains a Sea of Fuel Reserves
But of course the Naval base was what mattered most.
- https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/world/europe/in-taking-crimea-putin-gains-a-sea-of-fuel-reserves.html
When Russia seized Crimea in March, it acquired not just the Crimean landmass but also a maritime zone more than three times its size with the rights to underwater resources potentially worth trillions of dollars.
Russia portrayed the takeover as reclamation of its rightful territory, drawing no attention to the oil and gas rush that had recently been heating up in the Black Sea. But the move also extended Russia’s maritime boundaries, quietly giving Russia dominion over vast oil and gas reserves while dealing a crippling blow to Ukraine’s hopes for energy independence.
It's a different story when a country annexes someone else's land, like Israel in Palestine or Poland in the Ukraine. Ukrainian objections to Polish annexation were rebuffed in the Riga settlement of 1921. Poland could have respected the Ukrainian desire not to be annexed. Or they could have adopted the Austrian model with local autonomy in the Ukrainian and Belarussian territories they annexed. Again, not to minimize the viciousness of what Ukrainian nationalists did to Poles, but you can't deny what Poland did to stoke the conflict.
It’s not a good idea to give minorities a voice in politics.....
The RS-28 is a system undergoing testing for deployment in 3 to 4 years.Replies: @szopen
Up until four years ago, the Yuzhmash factory used to build and service most of the Russian Satan 2 missiles.
There was a homosexual pride parade in St. Petersburg in 1917, most likely the first one in the world. Sexual promiscuity and all sorts of abnormal sexual behavior were heavily promoted in the early days of the USSR. But the communists quickly realized they had total control of the society, and all of that was just a waste of resources and unnecessary. There was no real need to undermine the social order since they already could do absolutely anything they wanted. The decided to save that for the West, about three quarters of the KGB’s budget were appropriated for ideological warfare and social engineering in target countries. In the waning days of the Union, birth control equaled abortion. In 1990 the average Soviet woman had had 13 abortions in her lifetime. In Poland the communist government didn’t really care about homosexuality, the press hardly ever touched the topic, and if it did it was described rather favorably. People viewed it with disgust for the most part, so the homosexuals knew to keep their personal affairs quiet. In the late eighties the police engaged in some personal data gathering on the gay community, I have no idea why, maybe it had to do with the communist fear of AIDS or maybe they were looking to legalize gay marriage. Abortion was totally legal for all practical purposes.
This is quite difficult to believe. Do you have some sort of supporting evidence.Replies: @polaco, @polaco, @Alden
In the waning days of the Union, birth control equaled abortion. In 1990 the average Soviet woman had had 13 abortions in her lifetime.
This is quite difficult to believe. Do you have some sort of supporting evidence.Replies: @polaco, @polaco, @Alden
In the waning days of the Union, birth control equaled abortion. In 1990 the average Soviet woman had had 13 abortions in her lifetime.
It’s quite realistic, but may appear shocking. Marilyn Monroe had more than 10 abortions if I remember correctly. But considering what I heard from Russians about the Soviet medical care system, how before a surgery, all patients were shaved using the same safety razor, and they had to bribe the nurse to use a new, clean blade (the razor remained the same) and this went for women in maternity units as well, I’m not really that surprised. The number I gave is what I remember from Jim Rogers’ book titled Investment Biker, he had gotten it from some female director of a Women’s Health Clinic in the USSR.
This is quite difficult to believe. Do you have some sort of supporting evidence.Replies: @polaco, @polaco, @Alden
In the waning days of the Union, birth control equaled abortion. In 1990 the average Soviet woman had had 13 abortions in her lifetime.
It’s quite realistic, but may appear shocking. Marilyn Monroe had more than 10 abortions if I remember correctly. But considering what I heard from Russians about the Soviet medical care system, how before a surgery, all patients were shaved using the same safety razor, and they had to bribe the nurse to use a new, clean blade (the razor remained the same) and this went for women in maternity units as well, I’m not really that surprised. The number I gave is what I remember from Jim Rogers’ book titled Investment Biker, he had gotten it from some female director of a Women’s Health Clinic in the USSR. I want to add that nearly all Polish communists who served Russia before 1989, became Social Democrats and now praise the EU and everything its bureaucracy does. The Polish United Workers’ Party (the PZPR) was renamed to the Union of the Democratic Left (the SLD) and is indistinguishable from any Western leftist party in its agenda.
Jews worked for the Moors as government bureaucrats and tax collectors, oppressing the natives. Even after the Reconquista they kept encouraging Moslems to invade Spain, that’s why they got kicked out of the country eventually.
I wish I could point to the official data, I think it could be true. Assuming an average woman, in the course of 20 years, say from the time she is 20 to 40 it’s not that far fetched. And what the distribution would be is also interesting. After a woman had decided to have no more kids, and planned to abort all unexpected babies in the future for the rest of her life, the Soviet medical care system would surely have been there for her- oh you think you’re pregnant again, we’ll take care of that, no worries. I’m very curious myself to know the facts about this, but I’m too lazy to look deeper. Communists have always favored abortion though, that was my whole point.
I agree with that. My impression is that most smart Poles stay in Poland, if they’re from not too well developed regions, they usually migrate to Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw, Poznan- the places where they had gone to Universities- where the jobs are, and the quality of life is better, even if it’s not as good as in the West. If you have skills that are in demand, why leave the world you know and your family behind, only the most desperate ones and those with useless degrees emigrate. Most people here disapprove of interracial relationships, and these desperate women, for whom it’s a whole lot easier to find a non-white partner, whose lust for white women is off the charts, than a white British man, are frowned upon, although not always openly.
You had an empire now you have a slum : ( but hopefully you’ll be out of the EU soon, just don’t let them extract any more dough when the ties to the Brussels bureaucracy are finally severed.
Never having lost 22 million people in a war as the USSR did
They started this war. There was a huge military buildup in Russia in the run up to WWII, and they were angling for it ever since they lost the Polish Soviet war in 1921, when they had hoped that the communist overrun Germany would have been the next piece of land to grab. They were just more sly, as usual, to have waited for two weeks (though they had been ready for it all the same for years then) before attacking and then proclaiming they did that just to protect the Russian peoples in Poland. They shouldn’t be surprised their neighbors distrust them. And Russia, unfortunately, has nothing to offer, they have hydrocarbons which are their lifeblood, so they won’t let Europe diversify its supply and have intervened in Syria, and there is agriculture, and that’s about it. Some time ago I read more tech patents came from Singapore than Russia that year. Russia plays its own imperial games to the extent her economy allows her. And it’s a police state alright, their government can do whatever it wants at the local or federal level, and the blame is squarely on the population. Taking certain overwhelming outside factors out of the equation, people are the main ingredient for success, whether it’s a country, a city, a business or a family. Russia just doesn’t have it, the fact that things are going awry in the West doesn’t mean Russia is a place to look up to.
It’s funny how everybody seems to blame anything but the junkies and their vices for their plight. Drugs are there for the taking for everybody. Just like in politics, if Sanders had gotten the chance to destroy what’s left of America, this Jewish communist from Poland, not the millions of white trash idiots that wanted to vote for him would be blamed. I always blame the junkie, not the drug dealer. This article mentions JFK, when on his campaign trail, his wife would meet and greet supporters in Spanish (but also in Polish), and that alone should have raised red flags with Americans- who are these people pandering to aliens, and yet he got elected and was a factor in the demoralization of America. Sure he cut taxes, but they were much too high since FDR anyway and long due for a decrease. The KGB acknowledged their goal of demoralizing the USA as a successfully accomplished mission, Americans are stuck with the degenerate generation they would say, but here again Americans themselves are to blame. You can lead a horse to water, but he has to drink himself.
I’d like to see all drugs legalized and not regulated (drug safety should be in the hands of the industry and the courts of law and public opinion) so at least they would be cheap and not ruin anybody who wants to use them financially. The only druggies I’ve known about were real deplorables, totally useless people, with the potential to corrupt others who were naive and weak spirited. It’s hard to feel sorry for them, some say hard times make them do drugs- has any of them visited a senator in person to inquire about ending Affirmative Action? Once the Democrats give idiots a good song and dance about taxing “the rich” they can do anything they want, and leave morons holding the bag. Forget Pelosi, Clinton, Feinstein, and others, they’re not rich, they’re not going to tax themselves and their wealth acquired through corruption and insider trading, you’re only rich if you don’t get any money from the government, so you’ll be taxed on your income of $30K to pay for poor Pelosi’s government salary and pension. And don’t blame her later.
Glushko considered himself a Ukrainian. Here is what Khrushchev’s son wrote about him:
But despite the pains my father had taken, the outcome he had feared came to be. The other designers expressed more and more discontent about Korolev getting all the publicity, even if anonymously. In their “secret” world, it wasn’t any secret who was behind the title “Chief Designer,” written with initial capital letters.
The first to revolt was Valentin Glushko, an engine designer who was more significant in scientific circles than Korolev. (Today, it’s Glushko’s RD-170 liquid-propellant engine that is flying on Russian and some American rockets.) During one council meeting, Glushko said, “My engines could send into space any piece of metal.” Korolev was offended; his rocket wasn’t just a piece of metal, and after his success with Sputnik, he no longer considered Glushko his equal. The dispute was hushed up, but the resentment lingered. Soon Glushko offered his services to other Soviet rocket designers, Mikhail Yangel and Vladimir
Chelomei—Korolev’s rivals. Korolev, furious, called Glushko a snake in the grass and refused to cooperate with him again.
Even my father couldn’t make peace between them. Technically Glushko, by government order, continued to design engines for Korolev, but the work under pressure wasn’t good. Without Glushko’s best efforts, Korolev had a hard time; as a result, he—and the Soviets—lost the race for the moon to the Americans, despite the initial triumph of Sputnik.
https://www.airspacemag.com/space/we-shocked-the-world-19693460/
In her memoirs, the Polish writer Zofia Kossak, who together with her husband worked as managers of the Potocki family estate- then in Russia, in eastern Poland before the partitioning, and in Western Ukraine now, describes the chaos and horrors of the Revolution. Different towns and districts would be captured alternatively by the Bolsheviks or the Ukrainians under Petliura, some localities would fall into different hands several times a day.
Until then, the Ukrainian peasants had simply been known as Russians, however the new authorities proclaimed Ukrainian the official language, but it lacked the necessary vocabulary to describe reality outside the peasant farmstead. Therefore words had to be borrowed from Polish, German and Russian, and when leaflets with printed decrees of the Petliura government were distributed, the results were hilarious and no peasant could comprehend them. Then on the last pages they had begun to add Russian translations, and finally every peasant could understand it, eventually that practice was abandoned, for it looked like a bad joke and was diminishing whatever prestige this new government thought they had. The Bolsheviks would always come down hard on all those language and nation building attempts
Any real Syrian refugees would seek refuge in the government controlled part of the country in the first place. Others, who had decided to emigrate, would have limited options as it’s totally not up to them where they could go. The EU and the US invited these “Syrians” from Pakistan, Chechnya and elsewhere, various non-profits, NGOs and other scam operations with their directors and employees are making easy money at the taxpayers expense, the Left gets future voters. When Germany and the USSR attacked in 1939, not one Pole sought refuge in them, only an idiot or a collaborator would have tried. It’s a fallacy that since some country has had a colony somewhere, or invaded another place, it now must take in people from those places, though many treat it as an unquestionable, absolute truth, a law of the universe.
This clip features Brezhnev’s daughter, after the 7 minute mark.
An Orthodox mass tends to be rather longish, about 3 hrs. In the parts of Poland occupied by the Russian Empire before 1918, there were Russians, and when their priest intoned a prayer for their royals, beginning with the Nick, before they got to the last and least one it was already evening, a shocking 5 hours or more. They literally prayed to the Czar, and had his icons in church. It had to give when Lenin showed up.
How so, does he claim Christianity is a Jewish plot? Or that it was corrupted by Jews?
Reading Kevin Macdonald’s second book on the early Christians is a real eye opener.
They don't even manage to speak out against Islam which shouldn't be that hard from a Christian perspective, so it's pretty hopeless imo. Personally I think the mainstream churches in Western Europe are moribund, they'll be deservedly crushed between anti-clerical nationalism and their Islamic "friends". Maybe some traditionalist Catholic sects and Evangelicals will do somewhat better though. But I have no doubt that my generation (born in the 1980s) will be the last one with formal membership in the established churches as the default. @Polish perspective, Cyrano: You guys almost sound like this could be something for you:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_Native_FaithPersonally I regard such efforts as rather futile (though I feel some sympathy for them).Replies: @iffen, @LondonBob, @polaco
Might see a revival in Christianity if they actually spoke out on issues.
You guys almost sound like this could be something for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_Native_Faith
Personally I regard such efforts as rather futile (though I feel some sympathy for them).
Be careful what you wish for as the neopagan movement in Poland is rabidly anti-German, if they started to incorporate the burning of effigies of Henry the Lion and Albert the Bear into their fire jumping rituals, no one should be surprised. They remind me of the Communist government which promoted the distrust and hatred of the anti-Slavic nemesis- Germany, while simultaneously encouraged the love of our Russian “brothers”. They are extremely anti Catholic, and while claiming to be pagans they somehow embrace and look favorably upon the Russian Orthodox Church. The KGB was tub-thumping neopagan ideas in the 70s, and many in the Orthodox hierarchy were KGB assets, if not outright agents, is there a link in there? It seems that just like Moscow was to be the capital of international communism, it should be the center of Slavic neopaganism now. I don’t know how much traction they have, but they mix some weird Hindu beliefs in, and seem to be fraudsters and con men to me, they bow down to Moscow, and can’t get over Poland’s being Catholic.
When compared to Poland, the war in Greece, France- which collaborated with Germany openly, and especially in Denmark was a garden party. I’d also say Ukrainians were more than indifferent. Zofia Kossak wrote how even during the Bolshevik Revolution, in a certain Polish locality (today’s Western Ukraine), Ukrainians would threaten a pogrom and demand a payoff, at which point the town’s Jews’ representatives would literally prostrate themselves before Petliura and offer half the demanded amount, while pleading to have no more money left. Yet the Ukrainian envoys, ridiculously dressed in stolen Polish funeral home livery, would come galloping on horseback across town to the Jewish quarters to again make an offer. This happened several times and millions of rubles were extorted. We did not engage in comparable stunts then, or later.
Hitler’s complaints against the Jews were along usual lines, that Jews controlled German culture, finance, academia, and the media.Hatred of Jews may have ranked much lower with Hitler and the top Nazis than did making them and other groups targets for political gain.
Note that while Americans think of the Holocaust as something the Germans did (I do) to Jews it can look like just another attack by a Christian country (Poland, Russia, England, the Baltics, and so on.)
The 1918 communist revolution in Germany, which nearly succeeded, was backed by the Soviets. The German people were aware of the Jews’ prominent role in it.
True. The Reds, (as Sutton tells us), were financed by Wall Street and were raising hell in Germany and elsewhere, having advocating permanent world wide revolution. They even proclaimed a "Bavarian Soviet Republic." Note to Freddy: Munich is in Bavaria, though I highly doubt that rings any bells for you.Before you bloviate further on subjects you obviously know nothing about, kindly read Sutton's series, and Douglas Reed's, "The Controversy of Zion," https://archive.org/stream/TheControversyOfZion/TheControversyOfZion_djvu.txt
The 1918 communist revolution in Germany, which nearly succeeded, was backed by the Soviets. The German people were aware of the Jews’ prominent role in it.
And it was the Roman military attacking and looting it’s own cities when the empire was really crumbling and they weren’t getting paid.
I'm rather disturbed by this, Linh. I first wrote you in private in July of 2016 after you wrote a piece entitled A Letter from Germany. We actually were not acquainted at all before that. But, in the correspondence that began, I told you that I had great doubts about these stories your "friend" in Germany was telling you.Since then, my doubts have only grown and become solidified. For one thing, I feel now that it can be stated with absolute confidence that there is no rape epidemic or crime epidemic generally going on in Germany. All of the official statistics (and I think they are honest) show that Germany is currently at a multi-decade low in terms of crime rates. Now, that doesn't mean that in a country of that size, you can't find some genuine incidents to talk about. However, the fact remains that crime is at about a thirty year low in Germany at the moment. The overall narrative that Germany is in some sort of societal breakdown as a result of Merkel's refugee asylum policy does not seem, on the face of it, to be even remotely true.It is also quite clear (and I have investigated this thoroughly and am even writing a book about the topic!) that the alleged mass sexual assaults on New Year's Eve in Cologne 2015 simply did not really happen. This stands to reason since, really, nothing of the scale described could happen in recent years without producing a paper trail.In any case, in that correspondence, I relayed a series of questions, common-sense questions, for your correspondent in Germany. One of the questions was simply to ask precisely where all this raping took place -- in the station, in the square outside the station...It's all very unclear, after all. Also, I posed the question as to what his explanation would be for the lack of any visual evidence at all, at a point in time at which EVERYBODY has a smartphone in his or her pocket.On 25 July, 2016, you wrote the following. (This is no paraphase, this is verbatim.)
For several years, I’ve posted reports from a German friend, describing his country in crisis,
I came to the conlusion based on the above that your correspondent in Germany is a chronic fabulator. By the way, even according to the official narrative on this, no girl was raped (by any normal definition) on that night. One girl (I think it's only one) claims to have been "digitally raped", i.e. with a finger. But there is no proof that this is true frankly and it is hard to visualize the crime on a winter night in which one has to think that everybody is wearing multiple layers of clothing.Your friend's story about women being raped inside the train station (when asked to specify) looks like the response of a pathological liar. Maybe that is unfair, since it still could be that your friend was just repeating things he heard elsewhere, but I have researched this pretty thoroughly and never found any clarity as to where all the alleged raping took place. Your "friend", with pretty much immediate turnaround, when the question was posed, said that it was well known that the raping all took place inside the train station. Generally, all his stuff about all these photos that we will never see, they're all being repressed, is just typical hand-waving, of course... There are no photos because, by and large, these events are simply malicious storytelling.I have no contact with that person, just that bit through you, but I immediately catalogued that person mentally as a liar and I kind of assumed that you had the sense to do so also.Also, his response (a) looks pretty mendacious. The guy knows perfectly well that I don't just mean the alleged victims filming the crime! I mean, third parties! OBVIOUSLY.I mean to say, Linh, what is the point of coping verbatim this letter from a proven liar with zero fact-checking and zero attempt to get another (more balanced) viewpoint?Replies: @Jonathan Revusky, @polaco, @Linh Dinh, @RI
My Frankfurt friend writes:ah - I understood. Jonathan raises a valid question, which had been discussed in German alternative media.
The explanation was, thata) the women, who were assaulted didn't think of filming this
b) the refugees assaulted most women inside the Cologne Central station - the incidents were so gross (some women were raped, many had their clothes torn off etc.) that the police and the media decided to NOT bring any pictures or films in the press, because of the bad effect, it would have on the German psyche or - you guess it - the refugees
c) people react on pictures more than on words- therefore we will never see pictures of the train after the Würzburg attack (should have been a bloody mess etc.) or of a German woman lying on the ground, assaulted or raped by refugees. Never ever. It it were Nazis - different story.
Also, his response (a) looks pretty mendacious. The guy knows perfectly well that I don’t just mean the alleged victims filming the crime! I mean, third parties! OBVIOUSLY.
Most people look the other way when there is a crime in progress and they happen to be on the scene, they act as if nothing was happening, paralyzed by fear, or for other reasons- scared of retribution, don’t want to get involved because the German justice system would be against them and sympathetic and lenient towards the “refugees”, while they would be identified publicly for all to know, the whole German left wing government bureaucracy would rather not not let anybody see or know anything. Nobody would pull out a smartphone out of his pocket, or try to get close for a better look, when outnumbered by bold and aggressive young Arabs, who are brazen enough to sexually assault a female in public. Even at school, kids won’t usually help a bullied friend, but just passively watch, thankful they’re not on the receiving end of the beating. And even dumb criminals try to act only when the odds of there being any witnesses are slim. The bottom line is, all these refugees do not belong in Europe, they’re not welcome here.
It is hard to over-emphasize my prior comment.
In Heidelberg to this day there is an exposition of disected actual human corpses, which edumacated, Heidelberg is one the centers of German culure, folks bring their kids to view. Such ghastly, deranged offerings of “culture”, sort of chime in with the gory ww2 tales of Germans making sausauge, and lampshades from human cadavers.
What you are speaking about is Bodyworlds, which is a worldwide exhibition that had a very long tenure in museums throughout the United States. If you saw Casino Royale with Daniel Craig, the exhibit serves as a backdrop for a scene in that film in Miami. In addition, there are plenty of other similarly-themed exhibitions throughout the world.
They use cadavers for medial training. That exhibit serves the same spirit. All bodies will have been donated to science.
While, naturally, I refuse to condemn the german nation for the actions of one of its citizens, an individual, the mad pathologist responsible for this macabre exhibition; I don’t see any scientific value in dragging preserved, dissected bodies around the world to show to the public, it’s just an open to all autopsy sans the stench really. Everybody who needs to see a cadaver for scientific purposes has always been able to do so in appropriate settings, out of everyone’s sight. Disgusting and gruesome things don’t belong in art galleries and museums, this is a new low in terms of what passes for a respectable exhibition. A torture chamber in a museum would have only the instruments. What kind of a human wants to see such things- normal people desire beauty and harmony, every culture has strived for some decorum, the more beautiful the better. One polish woman has been unsuccessfully fighting to recover the body of her mother, which is being used as one of the specimens. Her sister, who became the legal guardian when the mother had gone insane and died, was working for this guy in Germany when she donated it to him. Neither Merkel, nor the Polish government was of any help.
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Maine’s only refugee resettlement program, Catholic Charities Maine Refugee and Immigration Services (RIS) is dedicated to helping those seeking a new life in America become independent, productive members of our community.From cultural orientation and referrals to case management and ongoing support (see our full list of services here), we are committed to providing the highest quality professional resettlement, orientation, employment, and cultural adjustment services to those refugees assigned to our care.Last I checked, Maine's population was something like 14% Catholic. There's a lot of religiously non-affiliated people in Maine, but Open Borders is the state's secular religion, inflicted on all citizens whether they like it or not.Just two Catholic volags received the lion's share of federal refugee resettlement dollars from 1996 to 2011. One of them (US Conference of Catholic Bishops) was founded with major organizing help from Saul Alinsky. The bishops and the faithful alike still consider that a matter of pride. https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/articles/2012/edwards-religious-refugee-resettlement-t2-big.jpgSee also:
Adding up the numbers in that table, the Hebrew International Aid Society got $122.906 million from 1996 to 2011. While the US Conference of Catholic Bishops received only $3.208 million in that period. That’s just in nominal terms, not 2011 dollars. The Hebrews got $24 million in 1996 and $20 million in 1998, a hell lot of money back than, $697K in 2000 was the most the Catholic Bishops Conference ever received.
In 2011 the International Rescue Committee from New York, headed by David Miliband, got the lion’s share of the funds – $11.5 million. The Catholic Bishops got one twenty third of that- $500K.
Every time I saw a director of a refugee or an immigrant advocacy non-profit on TV whining, it was a Jew, just an observation from my personal experience.
Just a quick internet search for refugee help centers in Maine turns up more than just Catholic organizations:
https://www.ircofmaine.org/
http://main1.org/our-team/
https://meirs.org/
https://ilapmaine.org/
Americans are mostly ignorant to the fact that they live in a 2nd world country
Although discriminated against, most Americans, except maybe those down on their luck and real life losers without any skills, live in nice, clean suburbs and in many cases they don’t even need to lock their doors, except for areas that are adjacent to urban, Hispanic, or Black neighbourhoods, which they have abandoned and given up on decades ago following the anti American Civil Rights movement. Show me a place in America where garbage trucks don’t come every week. While it’s not Germany or Sweden when garbage is concerned, America utilizes its trash quite properly, and about 75 to 85% is incinerated. Meanwhile in Russia: “If government officials continue ignoring the problem, in a few years the Russians will live in a landfill, as it is now happening with the residents of Haiti”- http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/124947-russia_garbage/ or http://www.pravdareport.com/society/5701-recycling/.
Americans in the US now total about 55% of the population: Wikipedia says: “197,285,202 (Non-Hispanic: 2017), 60.7% of the total U.S. population”- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American, however this number is flawed as they count various non-whites like Berbers, or Turkic people like Albanians, Turks, Kurds, Georgians, and Azerbaijanis as whites.
Then we have: “About 46 million Americans live in the nation’s rural counties, 175 million in its suburbs and small metros”- http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/05/22/demographic-and-economic-trends-in-urban-suburban-and-rural-communities/. Which seems to confirm that Americans (Whites) live in either suburban or rural areas.
religious belief and observance improve man’s life in this world, then you basically operate from a humanist value orientation.
Not at all. God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and SUBDUE IT, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” It’s clear He intended for people to make the best use of the Earth’s resources, use them to their maximum advantage, to discover and improve, to make their lives as comfortable and pleasurable as possible.
God’s directed us to make practical use of what’s at hand to the best of our abilities, the physical reality is ours for the taking.
Historical Christians (…) believed that their god intended for their earthly lives to suck as the result of the Fall.
He never promised them a rose garden, to quote a song. But He gave them the assurance that whatever evil and misfortune befalls them, it will amount to nothing after they have died and moved on to eternity. This life is just a blink of the cosmic eye, a finite amount of time, and that eternity (infinity) awaits those who have proven themselves and are worthy of spending it with God. Well, in Poland in the second grade of High School kids learn about infinite series, their limits etc., and how finite numbers, no matter how large pale to zero when compared to infinity. But High School math isn’t even needed to figure these things out. Even the intensity of physical and emotional pain can be quantified, and it can be neither infinitely large or long, so when we’re looking back at it from the other side, after we die- it will be a laughing matter. An adult won’t even budge and isn’t going to concern himself with small injuries, but the first time he cut his finger as a little kid he surely was terrified and cried. So God has also cautioned people not to take this life to seriously, for its character is quite transitory, and a lot of things we hold as extremely important will be of no consequence in the grand scheme of things in the afterlife. I’m sure everybody can relate, and think about something from his past he used to take quite seriously that is of no importance today.
As to atheism. Although not a Christian, Fred has written many articles critical of the theory of evolution for this website making the case for the world’s being created. He’s made a number of excellent points. However, he begun one of his articles, using mathematical probability to explain how a monkey won’t be able to write a book by randomly punching at a keyboard, not even in the amount of time equal to the believed age of the universe. He was right, but one must understand that in the physical world nothing happens randomly. The future can be calculated and predicted. We can confirm and backtrace the position of the earth in the solar system, millions of years ago, as well as into the future, because the number of variables we need to account for is small. Even if some asteroid is going to hit the earth in the future, it won’t be random, our not knowing about it doesn’t mean it will come out of the blue, it’s there, it follows a specific trajectory, confirming to the laws of physics, and everything can be precisely calculated when all the variables are taken into account. The same goes for every particle in the universe, you just add up the three dimensional vectors that represent all of the very specific forces (non-random, every single one of them), that acted upon it since time zero, when God created the world, and you get one vector describing its position in the universe now.
A lottery drawing is not random, randomness is an abstract concept, it only exists on paper and in theory. If you could calculate the forces acting upon the numbered balls (the electrical current that determines suction, vibrations of the building, the balls’ initial positions and how they collide) to be drawn, you’d know the outcomes with 100% certainty for every given time interval when the “start” button can be pressed. You’d know the specific outcome from say one to three seconds, from four to ten it would be a different specific outcome. All you need is enough computational power and to account for all the variables to predict the future. The only randomness I can think of comes from the human side (for we don’t know when the button will be pressed, when our guy will make up his mind, his random thought)- his soul, not the brain- which is a physical object and once it gets the instructions to have the body do something, we could calculate and predict what is going to happen by looking at the brain waves and the chemical reactions inside it. Some college kids made a computer device to cheat the casino roulette game in Vegas, accurate enough to beat the house, had they perfected it to take everything into account, their success rate would’ve been 100%, nothing is random, their case was settled in court several years back. Just shoot an arrow from a bow, right there you can predict the future, where it will go, and calculate its trajectory using simple formulas. It’s the same for everything else, but we don’t have the computational power and ability to account for everything in this complex, interconnected network, that is the universe, our own breathing, radiating heat, and even looking at things, reflecting, and absorbing light in our eyes for example causes domino effects we have no idea about. But the One who created everything does, and therefore it’s no surprise how He knows everything that happens here. So much for the theory of evolution and its linchpin “random mutation” assumption. It can be argued that even if not random, there is no reason that evolution didn’t take the course it did- well, Fred’s numerous articles provide enough reasons to doubt that. Therefore, to me too, the world looks created, and I have no reason to believe God can’t tweak it to our favour, if we pray for something, saint Thomas Aquinas’ “first mover” argument fits my understanding. Again, as Fred has written, our mind is incapable of comprehending the questions of ultimate origin, or as my late grandmother used to say “it’s [takes] the mind, not of our heads” [to comprehend these things].
If we had actual proof of God's existence, then what you said here may be a good way of understanding our relationship to him or it may not, but people would worship God regardless - simply because they'd be scared shitless of what he might to do them. (This also tends to keep people worshiping him in our own world - a world in which there's nothing like proof of his existence.)Of course, the last thing Christians are interested in is discussing the evidence for God's existence. Once a person has his curiosity aroused about the question, it's almost inevitable he'll ditch the faith (in a "true believer" sense), so feeble is the theistic "reasoning" that's proffered. As I've heard it put, "few people doubted God's existence until philosophers tried to prove it." And if he didn't belong to the faith in the first place, reasoning alone isn't going to get him to accept it, for as I've also heard it put, "once you understand why you reject other gods, you'll understand why I reject yours."Replies: @polaco
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If we had actual proof of God's existence, then what you said here may be a good way of understanding our relationship to him or it may not, but people would worship God regardless - simply because they'd be scared shitless of what he might to do them. (This also tends to keep people worshiping him in our own world - a world in which there's nothing like proof of his existence.)Of course, the last thing Christians are interested in is discussing the evidence for God's existence. Once a person has his curiosity aroused about the question, it's almost inevitable he'll ditch the faith (in a "true believer" sense), so feeble is the theistic "reasoning" that's proffered. As I've heard it put, "few people doubted God's existence until philosophers tried to prove it." And if he didn't belong to the faith in the first place, reasoning alone isn't going to get him to accept it, for as I've also heard it put, "once you understand why you reject other gods, you'll understand why I reject yours."Replies: @polaco
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If we had actual proof of God’s existence
“once you understand why you reject other gods, you’ll understand why I reject yours.”
The proof that God exists is the existence of the universe itself, look at the world around you, nothing happens without a cause, absolutely nothing, it would be against the laws of physics. Neither we, nor the universe came into existence randomly. For example, if you have a car accident due to a mechanical failure, an insurance company statistician can produce an actuarial table that says that a certain percentage of drivers get into similar accidents randomly, and show you the mathematical calculations of what that probability had been for you, but a car mechanic or a mechanical engineer would tell you that parts wear down and fail, and had you, or the guy whose car you hit, known and kept the score of the number of the piston strokes inside your brake cylinder, you would’ve known exactly which cycle wasn’t going to complete, that it wasn’t random but completely predictable.
People’s arguing about which religion is correct in its understanding of God has nothing to do with this fact, which holds true for the whole universe. With our limited intelligence we’ll never be able to answer every question about the world.
I don’t know at what point in life he crossed the 50 mark, but Casanova’s waning years were rather miserable, with von Waldstein’s servants joking about and playing degrading pranks on him at the Dux castle.
Yeah, good way to put it. To me, it's not just the irreducible complexity, but also the time-line that makes me question the natural selection story. Yeah, I've read about the tree moth story from industrial-revolution England, in which the moths became brown instead of lighter colored to blend in with the sooty trees. That happened over just a generation or two, so it is a good example of natural selection, and on a human-scale time-line.
The response of the orthodox is usually “billions and billions of years,” and “lots and lots of seawater.”
“with all of the amazing systems in the human (and other animal’s) body, I really wonder if the time-line for all the individual (random, remember) mutational changes and natural selection is short enough to even fit in with the time since the Earth cooled down.”
I agree. With about 22K protein coding genes in the DNA. How do we get to a where we are- the fully functioning human. By accident? What’s the probability that the right kind of a single gene mutation occurs, one in 100,000 years if we’re extremely generous? More like one in 100 million years? What about several “random” mutations at once, it has to be significantly lower in this case, and they have to be the right mutations to produce some “gradual improvement” as Dawkins would like us to believe, but why would we get improvement? With no outside agent guiding the reactions? It’s hard to sustain the right conditions in a laboratory for a chemical reaction, like stable and steady temperature, left alone things decompose and disintegrate, not improve. Even if 20K genes is all there is that matters in the DNA, it appears impossible to get to where we are now, to randomly get the improbable but correct sequence of mutations to produce the amazingly complex system that is the human body. On top of that, in fact, in the universe, as in any laboratory, nothing happens randomly, nothing and none of us is an accident. This is a very basic property of the physical world.
“The haploid human genome occupies a total of just over 3 billion DNA base pairs that means 6 billion base pairs per diploid cell.
The Human Genome Project has revealed that there are probably about 20,000-25,000 ‘haploid’ protein coding genes. The completed human sequence can now identify their locations. But only about 1.5% of the genome codes for proteins, while the rest consists of non-coding RNA genes, regulatory sequences, introns, and noncoding DNA (once known as “junk DNA”).”
https://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/human-genome.html
they’ll blend with N. America’s bodily fluids and create yet another breed.
The reshuffling of the genes that already exist is not evolution. What random mutations, and consequently- entirely new genes, which would give them significant distinguishing features that would prevail and become dominant in the human genome, are they going to get, while the gringos and their chamaquitas get on with it?
And what new appears in the process of natural selection, when the only thing that happens is something old gets wiped out (entire species, or their subsets disappear)? Like when a plague strikes, those who have always had immunity, but never needed it up to that point, survive, while those whose genomes don’t equip them with the ability to successfully resist the infection perish.
It may take some time to activate the defence mechanism, in response, but that ability has always been there. The descendants of survivors haven’t evolved, and especially not from the pestilence victims.
When bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics, it means some have always had that ability. It’s not that the superbugs evolved from the previous generations, they just took the place of the vulnerable strains, and became dominant in the changed environment.
Seems to me that all natural selection does is it reduces the earth’s biodiversity as various species, mostly insects and plants, go every year. Different apes, aka hominids, couldn’t compete with the coexisting human species any more than the Dodo bird could- that’s one example natural selection.
Evolution doesn't have to follow any rules we humans assign to it; like random new genes or mutations, as it generally has functioned in the past. We humans are now in a position to be our own ID (albeit not perhaps always 'intelligent') agents of change/evolution.When wolves are entirely extinct, and all that remains of their transcendental grandeur are domestic dogs, humans will have effectively effected evolution. So too, as the Neanderthal was replaced by Cro-Magnon man, humans effected their own evolutionary destiny. Just as we're doing today. Evolution doesn't have to be done on a macro scale, it can be as micro as a change, as Achmed above mentioned, in the way moths alter their pigments. Just as he humans are doing.I suppose the most drastic change in our evolutionary path was set in motion when humans came up with modern medicine and modern food production. It altered our evolutionary trajectory, by allowing the infirm and defective to prosper and breed more of the same. People who would have perished in a pre-industrial revolution world, now could live to pass on their mediocre genes, and eventually numerically overtake the productive and healthy, until they were a voting majority, thereby codifying into law their supremacy over the strong and capable. It was the very success of our evolutionary struggle, that doomed our future from an ascension of the strong and intelligent, to the dull and lackluster. Hence my photo for our future. A brave new kind of world. Viva la revolución!Replies: @polaco
The reshuffling of the genes that already exist is not evolution.
Evolution doesn't have to follow any rules we humans assign to it; like random new genes or mutations, as it generally has functioned in the past. We humans are now in a position to be our own ID (albeit not perhaps always 'intelligent') agents of change/evolution.When wolves are entirely extinct, and all that remains of their transcendental grandeur are domestic dogs, humans will have effectively effected evolution. So too, as the Neanderthal was replaced by Cro-Magnon man, humans effected their own evolutionary destiny. Just as we're doing today. Evolution doesn't have to be done on a macro scale, it can be as micro as a change, as Achmed above mentioned, in the way moths alter their pigments. Just as he humans are doing.I suppose the most drastic change in our evolutionary path was set in motion when humans came up with modern medicine and modern food production. It altered our evolutionary trajectory, by allowing the infirm and defective to prosper and breed more of the same. People who would have perished in a pre-industrial revolution world, now could live to pass on their mediocre genes, and eventually numerically overtake the productive and healthy, until they were a voting majority, thereby codifying into law their supremacy over the strong and capable. It was the very success of our evolutionary struggle, that doomed our future from an ascension of the strong and intelligent, to the dull and lackluster. Hence my photo for our future. A brave new kind of world. Viva la revolución!Replies: @polaco
The reshuffling of the genes that already exist is not evolution.
Evolution doesn’t have to follow any rules we humans assign to it
We humans are now in a position to be our own ID (albeit not perhaps always ‘intelligent’) agents of change/evolution.
People try to discover the laws that govern the natural world, they don’t assign rules for nature to obey- evolutionary biologists came up with various theories describing how more advanced organisms evolved from simpler ones. As things now stand, the idea is that a ‘random mutation’ is the backbone of the theory of evolution, that’s why I try to stick to this assumption.
Yet, you are also assigning evolution a rule you think it will follow, that it can be guided, and controlled by men, and that it will comply. You have some degree of freedom as an individual in your life, but in the grand scheme of things it looks impossible, the advancement and failure of the American society (totally unrelated to the matter of evolution, if you ask me), to use your example, shows it’s not possible, if you can lose control- that means you’re not really in control, you can only watch the passing parade, in spite of your efforts; nobody is larger than life, there’s a lot of people who share your view and still you see your civilization crashing right before your eyes. There were no exceptions in history.
Everything you write about, still amounts to playing with a definite, non-evolving gene pool, also, some genes fall out of it for good, as victims of natural selection, so to speak- if wolves were to disappear forever, to borrow your example.
Change in individual physical characteristics, and evolutionary changes that are supposed to produce new species are different things. I can’t deny the change in the composition of the gene pool, but it occurs within a definite, non-evolving set. Homer describes ancient Greeks as blond haired people, they mostly lost those genes, but how is that change evolution, what evolutionary advantage does it bring?
like random new genes or mutations, as it generally has functioned in the past.
I go with ID, because I do not see how true randomness can exists in the physical world. Therefore, to me, evolution as such seems impossible. Just look how incredibly accurate weather forecasting has become since the advent of computer modeling, from what I know, they employ differential equations any bright HS student can understand. There is nothing random in the way weather phenomena occur. With quantum computing, and better models, it’s not unlikely to have very long term forecasts that approach 100% accuracy. The same can be said of seismology, when we know how, and what to pay attention to, and with enough computational power, we’ll be able to predict volcanic eruptions and earthquakes with astonishing accuracy, confirming that again, there’s nothing random about lava flow patterns inside the earth. The physical world is completely predictable, but we may never be able to do it.
So too, as the Neanderthal was replaced by Cro-Magnon man, humans effected their own evolutionary destiny. Just as we’re doing today
Natural selection at work, but the question is how these species evolved from the common ancestor. Fred writes how it’s impossible, and points to the relevant scientific literature.
Evolution doesn’t have to be done on a macro scale, it can be as micro as a change, as Achmed above mentioned, in the way moths alter their pigments.
I wrote about bacteria in my post. But did the moths really evolve, or did they always have the ability, coded in their genes, to adapt to a changed environment, and use it when needed. Seems to me they activated some dormant genes in response to external stimuli, but not evolved. Maybe not all possessed that ability, and predators could find those more easily, and only those with the ability remained and spread.
I suppose the most drastic change in our evolutionary path was set in motion when humans came up with modern medicine and modern food production. It altered our evolutionary trajectory, by allowing the infirm and defective to prosper and breed more of the same.
It also allowed many intelligent people to survive to adulthood, and contribute to our advancement, human lifespan has been increasing so I see no problem here, it’s success to me. In 1900, in the UK, life expectancy at birth was only about 48 years. The infirm and low IQ people are still humans, not some new species, but how many seriously defective people actually reproduce in numbers large enough to have an effect? If parents end up with a kid who has some genetic disorder, it will likely be totally unexpected because of a convergence of factors, a specific combination of genes he got from each parent. Then again, it can be a very high IQ, yet physically handicapped person, but it’s still their kid, not genetically different (evolved) from his parents. Animals also end up with defective offspring all the time, and don’t evolve as a result, even though predators kill these easily.
But all the above examples are just natural selection really, which is obvious and cannot be denied. When an organism finds itself in a new or changed environment it either perishes or survives and spreads its old genes. I view it separately from evolution.
It was the very success of our evolutionary struggle, that doomed our future from an ascension of the strong and intelligent, to the dull and lackluster.
How could evolution have allowed that to happen. In such an “evolutionarily” advanced population, shouldn’t it have eliminated all the human traits that predispose this society to doom.
What you talk about is analogical to a situation where someone, say a dictator, (we’re all part of nature, so this would be natural selection) made all people of a given race with IQs below 130, and with undesirable personality traits, disappear, I believe there would be enough left in the world to reproduce and create a genetically healthy population, we would end up with a master race, and again- without any evolutionary change. But would any of them want to work with their hands doing menial jobs? They would have to bring in foreigners to do it. Or do you just leave people of the right character, no matter their IQ? Anyway, these types of changes are not evolution, just natural selection of the sought for characteristics.
I do not ascribe evolutionary forces to the boom and fall phases of changing societies. How much evolution was there between 1895, when JP Morgan had to arrange for a bailout for the US government in the UK, and 1959 when the US was probably at its peak. In the 19th century there were 15 depressions in the US, which was viewed as an emerging market at best by Europeans. I do not see evolution at work here. The majority non-white US will not be were most of the action is, but humanity is still ascending technologically (is this evolution?), not so much morally, or in terms of liberty and philosophy, unfortunately.
that's part of it, but not the whole story
‘random mutation’ is the backbone of the theory of evolution
a full-blown nuclear war would have noticeable effects on the evolution of life on this planet. A man-made difference, on a macro level. But when you see a pretty girl, and it culminates in a baby, you've personally made a decision that has effected evolution on this earth.
Yet, you are also assigning evolution a rule you think it will follow, that it can be guided, and controlled by men, and that it will comply
I (we) were never in control. We are all at the mercy (and a product of) our genes and the environment. But that doesn't mean we should stay in bed, and wax gloomy because we're not created by a divine Being- with divine souls. Rather it means we should revel in the knowledge that we, as mortals, are privy to the secrets of our existence. Something mankind has struggled to understand since the beginning of time. Now we know. It's a wonderful and astounding thing to glimmer.
if you can lose control- that means you’re not really in control,
are you gloating?
you can only watch the passing parade, in spite of your efforts; nobody is larger than life, there’s a lot of people who share your view and still you see your civilization crashing right before your eyes.
So that means that this 'intelligent' agent is apart from the physical world? Where does it exist? In the super-natural world?
I go with ID, because I do not see how true randomness can exists in the physical world.
Does Fred also believe that the extinct hominid Australopithecus is impossible?
Natural selection at work, but the question is how these species evolved from the common ancestor. Fred writes how it’s impossible, and points to the relevant scientific literature.
whoo boy
but how many seriously defective people actually reproduce in numbers large enough to have an effect
You shouldn't. It's part of the process.
When an organism finds itself in a new or changed environment it either perishes or survives and spreads its old genes. I view it separately from evolution.
No. Because evolution is not necessarily a linear process towards advancement. From my perspective, Western civilization will be doomed by an evolutionary trait (compassionate altruism) that was advantageous for the survival of the people of the West in their tribal and Neolithic societies, but that same trait will be the ultimate death of that civilization.
How could evolution have allowed that to happen. In such an “evolutionarily” advanced population, shouldn’t it have eliminated all the human traits that predispose this society to doom.
So it sounds like since there is so much human folly, that it can't possibly the result of evolution, and must thereby be attributed to the very agent of your Intelligent Design?
15 depressions in the US, which was viewed as an emerging market at best by Europeans. I do not see evolution at work here. The majority non-white US will not be were most of the action is, but humanity is still ascending technologically (is this evolution?), not so much morally, or in terms of liberty and philosophy, unfortunately.
Our ancestors would have never achieved what they did were it not for the extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs
I don’t know if they’re not hoaxes. But there are supposed finds, that contain modern human bones in geological layers millions of years old.
We are all at the mercy (and a product of) our genes and the environment.
Just because I’m a product of my genes and environment, doesn’t mean I can’t be an agent for change in my life. Far from it, and quite the contrary.
True, you can’t escape being part of the natural world, and as such, everything you do is nature taking its course- your agent role too, while implementing changes in your life, which I never denied. When humans created animals and plants using crude methods, like selective breeding, or sophisticated gene editing, it does looks more like our own attempts at ID, not evolution. We draw from what we have, play with the cards we were dealt, nothing really new gets created, certain ‘junk DNA’ dormant genes turn out not to be. Most of these animals cannot survive outside the environment humans created for them, most dogs won’t be able to compete with the feral Dingo, which would not be able to compete with wolves. Animals are agents of change too, Chimps would likely kill all other ape species if they could, and even insects like the Chinese tree beetle, that could arrive at the shore on a log, can wipe out entire forests.
well, ask yourself, how many people actually voted for John McCain, or Lindsey Graham?
How many voted for Hillary Clinton?!
I don’t see that as serious defects that prevent them from functioning. Half of the population have IQs below the average. But even high IQ people can act stupid. Bruce Schneier has a picture of himself on his blog with a laptop that has a “this machine kills fascists” sticker on it, but if he actively engages in subversive propaganda, he may be perfectly rational and justified in acting in his interest, not stupid, he voted Clinton. But I meant physically defective- and gave a general example of a genetic disorder.
One example, from the top of my head, is Kurt Goedel, who was a sickly man, so the advancements in medicine that preserve defective people are to be hailed.
So that means that this ‘intelligent’ agent is apart from the physical world? Where does it exist? In the super-natural world?
A dog or even a chimp, a much more intelligent creature, can’t do Indian math from thousands of years ago, let alone 18th century math, which most people can’t do. I accept our limitations, and don’t believe we can comprehend certain things. Initial, large technological leaps, get smaller and are harder to do, and the challenges and avenues to explore multiply faster than we can cope with them. Extremely intelligent mathematicians face problems they can’t solve. The slope keeps getting steeper. Some theoretical physicists are suggesting everything may be a simulation. As a religious Catholic, I believe in God.
Take a look at an Eskimo vs. an Ethiopian. Can you see how if an Ethiopian child was born to an Eskimo family, that such a child would be at a disadvantage in a cold environment?
The Eskimo came from Asia. Their closed gene pool does not allow for birthing different looking kids. I already wrote how organisms with traits that don’t allow them to survive in a changed environment perish or leave. Northern Europeans live in less harsh conditions, still cold and snowy, and are way different from the Eskimo.
Western civilization will be doomed by an evolutionary trait (compassionate altruism) that was advantageous for the survival of the people of the West in their tribal and Neolithic societies, but that same trait will be the ultimate death of that civilization.
I believe you had to be a ruthless murderer, suspicious of foreigners to survive in the Neolithic period. Altruism would only have survived as a trait, if only one tribe, altruistic to itself, remained- killing all others. Why did they lose the ‘hate the stranger’ traits, while there have always been foreigners around. Europe has been constantly at war until the 1940s, the average English guy in WWI hated the Krauts deeply, it did not matter to him who started the war and for what reasons, this was not the Neolithic.
Socialism coupled with its usually inherent corruption (Northern Europe is not as socialist as various apologists claim), will be the death of the West, brought to the US with southern and eastern Europeans. It was spreading in Europe in the 19th century, so the US was the only remaining, civilized place that treated capital best so it grew economically, while Mao was destroying his country. Now capital is less restricted in China and can bring better returns there. The West has gone through many ups and downs, as people remained genetically unchanged.
I don’t revel in “gloom and hopelesness”. Even if the US disintegrates, I’m sure the new White territory will not be as dysfunctional and horrible a country as Russia, with its boorish attitudes, disrespect for privacy and property, corruption and public distrust, for example. It will never sink that low. And never to the level of real third world countries. It should regrow as an advanced country, maybe Europeans will reassert themselves too, but expelling foreigners is an extraordinary challenge. There are more causes to be pessimistic.
So it sounds like since there is so much human folly, that it can’t possibly the result of evolution, and must thereby be attributed to the very agent of your Intelligent Design?
If all humans were created infallible, and equally highly intelligent the world wouldn’t function. Everything is a part of this complex system and is needed as created. Perfection will be on the other side, in the afterlife.
I don't know if they're not hoaxes. But there are supposed finds, that contain modern human bones in geological layers millions of years old.
Our ancestors would have never achieved what they did were it not for the extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs
We are all at the mercy (and a product of) our genes and the environment.
True, you can't escape being part of the natural world, and as such, everything you do is nature taking its course- your agent role too, while implementing changes in your life, which I never denied. When humans created animals and plants using crude methods, like selective breeding, or sophisticated gene editing, it does looks more like our own attempts at ID, not evolution. We draw from what we have, play with the cards we were dealt, nothing really new gets created, certain 'junk DNA' dormant genes turn out not to be. Most of these animals cannot survive outside the environment humans created for them, most dogs won't be able to compete with the feral Dingo, which would not be able to compete with wolves. Animals are agents of change too, Chimps would likely kill all other ape species if they could, and even insects like the Chinese tree beetle, that could arrive at the shore on a log, can wipe out entire forests.
Just because I’m a product of my genes and environment, doesn’t mean I can’t be an agent for change in my life. Far from it, and quite the contrary.
I don't see that as serious defects that prevent them from functioning. Half of the population have IQs below the average. But even high IQ people can act stupid. Bruce Schneier has a picture of himself on his blog with a laptop that has a "this machine kills fascists" sticker on it, but if he actively engages in subversive propaganda, he may be perfectly rational and justified in acting in his interest, not stupid, he voted Clinton. But I meant physically defective- and gave a general example of a genetic disorder.
well, ask yourself, how many people actually voted for John McCain, or Lindsey Graham?
How many voted for Hillary Clinton?!
A dog or even a chimp, a much more intelligent creature, can't do Indian math from thousands of years ago, let alone 18th century math, which most people can't do. I accept our limitations, and don't believe we can comprehend certain things. Initial, large technological leaps, get smaller and are harder to do, and the challenges and avenues to explore multiply faster than we can cope with them. Extremely intelligent mathematicians face problems they can't solve. The slope keeps getting steeper. Some theoretical physicists are suggesting everything may be a simulation. As a religious Catholic, I believe in God.
So that means that this ‘intelligent’ agent is apart from the physical world? Where does it exist? In the super-natural world?
The Eskimo came from Asia. Their closed gene pool does not allow for birthing different looking kids. I already wrote how organisms with traits that don't allow them to survive in a changed environment perish or leave. Northern Europeans live in less harsh conditions, still cold and snowy, and are way different from the Eskimo.
Take a look at an Eskimo vs. an Ethiopian. Can you see how if an Ethiopian child was born to an Eskimo family, that such a child would be at a disadvantage in a cold environment?
I believe you had to be a ruthless murderer, suspicious of foreigners to survive in the Neolithic period. Altruism would only have survived as a trait, if only one tribe, altruistic to itself, remained- killing all others. Why did they lose the 'hate the stranger' traits, while there have always been foreigners around. Europe has been constantly at war until the 1940s, the average English guy in WWI hated the Krauts deeply, it did not matter to him who started the war and for what reasons, this was not the Neolithic.
Western civilization will be doomed by an evolutionary trait (compassionate altruism) that was advantageous for the survival of the people of the West in their tribal and Neolithic societies, but that same trait will be the ultimate death of that civilization.
If all humans were created infallible, and equally highly intelligent the world wouldn't function. Everything is a part of this complex system and is needed as created. Perfection will be on the other side, in the afterlife.Replies: @polaco, @Rurik
So it sounds like since there is so much human folly, that it can’t possibly the result of evolution, and must thereby be attributed to the very agent of your Intelligent Design?
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All your points well taken. Godspeed.
I wish and hope your country prospers, it’s a shame because if white countries, and yellow too, cooperated in good faith how much brighter the future would be. Should it become populated with creatures like that guy you posted- well in a dystopian, post nuclear war future, even rats we view as vermin now, may be the only cheap food source available.
God bless.
but yet the people with all that accumulated knowledge and expertise, pouring over the minutia of their art..are still utterly, hopelessly, (dare I say fecklessly) unable to explain, in either layman's terms, or using the affected jargon of their trade, how the DNA molecule came to be. Let alone how it got here on earth. Or, for us of the philosophical bent; why. But that doesn't stop them from pooh-poohing those of us whose interest in these discussions have little to do with "spirals, string, knots, tangles, and fibers", but rather what are the philosophical, existential, epistemological, theological and every day common sense answers to ancient questions that man has wondered over since the beginning of time. "Where did we come from? How did we get here? And perhaps most earnestly, "why are we here"?I suspect Fredo, and many others are also very much concerned with 'what happens next?' Does our 'soul' simply end with its corporeal expression? Not exactly "spirals, string, knots, tangles, and fibers", to be sure. But for some of us unwashed Hoi polloi, we're interested in such things. Is it bad form for us to demean your thread with such piddling guff?
I excised a digression here about spirals, string, knots, tangles, and fibers as the major obsessions Chez Olorin. My tl;dr point was that people who don’t work with these tangible phenomena, and their transformations, at both the tool/concrete and mathematical level, really should never speak of “biology” or “DNA” or “evolution.” Coz it ends up being just primate politics and grunting.
Exactly so!What we've learned is that we humans are some 98% molecularly identical to the other great apes (chimps in particular). We share their DNA in near absolute terms. Is that remaining two percent of DNA, composed of an ethereal supra-natural substance that defies microscopic examination? Or is it just nucleotides, A,T,C, and G- arranged in a slightly different way, like the difference between a tall man and a short one? Are we to continue with the vanity that we're somehow removed from the great apes by a difference in kind, or are our differences one of degree?That is un-knotty the question, my didactic friend, that isn't answered by 'spirals, string, knots, tangles, and fibers', but requires that we look deeper, into the meaning of what science has given us since Watson and Crick unraveled it. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-549WB_IEGJg/TdZxKmQDttI/AAAAAAAAAAM/7ZowYF-s0e8/s760/Gorilla%2BThinking.jpgReplies: @polaco
primate politics and grunting.
but rather what are the philosophical, existential, epistemological, theological and every day common sense answers to ancient questions that man has wondered over since the beginning of time. “Where did we come from? How did we get here? And perhaps most earnestly, “why are we here”?
I suspect Fredo, and many others are also very much concerned with ‘what happens next?’ Does our ‘soul’ simply end with its corporeal expression?
Exactly. To me, if there was no eternal life, I would be as good dead as alive- just a collection of interacting atoms, no different from a fly on the wall, a metamorphic rock, or any other physical element that’s part of the universe- when viewed through the ‘eyes of the cosmos’ and science. The laws of physics don’t give a damn if I step on a landmine. Death, and the ultimate end of consciousness as such wouldn’t really seem so scary either, but what the hell are life and all the efforts worth then, when I’m not around anymore to witness our accumulative success. Just to enjoy myself, and strive for comfort, while knowing some day I’m gonna be reduced to nothing, why try harder, because some minuscule parts of my DNA will keep getting recycled for a time?
I wouldn’t mind, but I’m skeptical that some day technology will allow humans to live forever or to transfer our minds to brand new bodies or bio-mechanical machines, 10K years from now, and say that we finally made it, won the game, and are in control from now on. I’m prone to think there is a side of reality we’ll never be able to see, explore, and make use of, that there is a wall we’ll eventually, inevitably hit.
To me it's the exact opposite. We are so very, very much more than rockshttps://img0.etsystatic.com/027/0/9640446/il_fullxfull.616816324_odoe.jpgor even flies, just look at us!What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
To me, if there was no eternal life, I would be as good dead as alive- just a collection of interacting atoms, no different from a fly on the wall, a metamorphic rock, or any other physical element that’s part of the universe- when viewed through the ‘eyes of the cosmos’ and science.
But your loved ones do, and you must certainly acknowledge that many people's lives are more than the sum of their molecules. Look at Jesus Christ as an example. Perhaps he was God Himself, or just an extraordinarily heroic and beatific man. Nevertheless He/he left an amazing impact. He touched hearts and led people to their better angels, even thousands of years after His death. And not just the Christ, but too many men and women to count. Joan of Arc is one of my heroes even from the grave. So many others!
The laws of physics don’t give a damn if I step on a landmine.
They're worth living your life as an honorable and decent man, and basking in the ineffable gift that life is. Loving and being loved, are their own reward. When you make the most of this life, the reward is self-evident with every breath, even with life's misfortunes. You're alive. “Heaven is under our feet as well as over our heads.”
Death, and the ultimate end of consciousness as such wouldn’t really seem so scary either, but what the hell are life and all the efforts worth then, when I’m not around anymore to witness our accumulative success.
It's not all about immortality. I like that scene in the movie Troy, when Achilles (Brat Pitt) explains to the priestess why mortal life is the envy of the Gods. It's not all about legacy, either genetic or cultural either. Or just striving for comfort. It is about all of that. This is the thing, as far as organized religions go..If they're right, and this life is just a test, and the best way to pass it is to renounce this life as 'of the flesh, and sinful', and to live an ascetic life of service to our religious leaders and the church, (or synagogue or mosque or temple), based on a rejection of the pleasure of our senses and appetites, because by doing so, we'll be rewarded with eternity after we're dead. OK fine. But what if they're wrong. What if this life is all there is going to be? What if we've been given something from God (or the Gods or providence or ID or sleestaks, etc..) and this is it?What if I had a pretty good idea that I was right about that, but then came upon a man starving himself of all earthly delights, and engaged self-flagellation for all 'his sins', 24/7. If I were to ask him, 'pray sir, why must you torment yourself so?'And his response was so that he'll enter the gates of heaven, when all his desires will be fulfilled. But I pretty much knew that he was rejecting his one and only chance at true happiness- would I be right to leave him to his self-abuse? Or try to explain to him that the touch of a woman, or the taste of a well-cooked meal, or so infinitely many joys there are out there, are for him to revel in. What would the moral thing be to do? Leave him to it? Or try to get him to question the wisdom of an earthly life rejected?
Just to enjoy myself, and strive for comfort, while knowing some day I’m gonna be reduced to nothing, why try harder, because some minuscule parts of my DNA will keep getting recycled for a time?
Human will no-doubt figure out the human genome to the point they'll be able to accomplish a kind of limited immortality. Our cells don't die out of old age, but rather by way of genetic time bombs, that ordain for how long we all should live. One day they will figure out how to defuse those time bombs. And you're right, with the nascent cybernetics going on, humans will have active accesses to all known knowledge though implanted super-computers the size of miniscule RRD tags. Perhaps with access to 'the collective', like a Borg-like dystopia. Who knows. But you're right about hitting the wall. Because with all of that, we'll never be able to do what we all seem to long for, and that is to reach out and touch the hand of our maker. Reminds me of this scene. It reflects our powerful urge (and perhaps folly) to know God.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3u4j0hVy8cThanks again, my friend for your always thoughtful comments.Replies: @polaco, @polaco
and say that we finally made it, won the game, and are in control from now on. I’m prone to think there is a side of reality we’ll never be able to see, explore, and make use of, that there is a wall we’ll eventually, inevitably hit.
To me it's the exact opposite. We are so very, very much more than rockshttps://img0.etsystatic.com/027/0/9640446/il_fullxfull.616816324_odoe.jpgor even flies, just look at us!What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
To me, if there was no eternal life, I would be as good dead as alive- just a collection of interacting atoms, no different from a fly on the wall, a metamorphic rock, or any other physical element that’s part of the universe- when viewed through the ‘eyes of the cosmos’ and science.
But your loved ones do, and you must certainly acknowledge that many people's lives are more than the sum of their molecules. Look at Jesus Christ as an example. Perhaps he was God Himself, or just an extraordinarily heroic and beatific man. Nevertheless He/he left an amazing impact. He touched hearts and led people to their better angels, even thousands of years after His death. And not just the Christ, but too many men and women to count. Joan of Arc is one of my heroes even from the grave. So many others!
The laws of physics don’t give a damn if I step on a landmine.
They're worth living your life as an honorable and decent man, and basking in the ineffable gift that life is. Loving and being loved, are their own reward. When you make the most of this life, the reward is self-evident with every breath, even with life's misfortunes. You're alive. “Heaven is under our feet as well as over our heads.”
Death, and the ultimate end of consciousness as such wouldn’t really seem so scary either, but what the hell are life and all the efforts worth then, when I’m not around anymore to witness our accumulative success.
It's not all about immortality. I like that scene in the movie Troy, when Achilles (Brat Pitt) explains to the priestess why mortal life is the envy of the Gods. It's not all about legacy, either genetic or cultural either. Or just striving for comfort. It is about all of that. This is the thing, as far as organized religions go..If they're right, and this life is just a test, and the best way to pass it is to renounce this life as 'of the flesh, and sinful', and to live an ascetic life of service to our religious leaders and the church, (or synagogue or mosque or temple), based on a rejection of the pleasure of our senses and appetites, because by doing so, we'll be rewarded with eternity after we're dead. OK fine. But what if they're wrong. What if this life is all there is going to be? What if we've been given something from God (or the Gods or providence or ID or sleestaks, etc..) and this is it?What if I had a pretty good idea that I was right about that, but then came upon a man starving himself of all earthly delights, and engaged self-flagellation for all 'his sins', 24/7. If I were to ask him, 'pray sir, why must you torment yourself so?'And his response was so that he'll enter the gates of heaven, when all his desires will be fulfilled. But I pretty much knew that he was rejecting his one and only chance at true happiness- would I be right to leave him to his self-abuse? Or try to explain to him that the touch of a woman, or the taste of a well-cooked meal, or so infinitely many joys there are out there, are for him to revel in. What would the moral thing be to do? Leave him to it? Or try to get him to question the wisdom of an earthly life rejected?
Just to enjoy myself, and strive for comfort, while knowing some day I’m gonna be reduced to nothing, why try harder, because some minuscule parts of my DNA will keep getting recycled for a time?
Human will no-doubt figure out the human genome to the point they'll be able to accomplish a kind of limited immortality. Our cells don't die out of old age, but rather by way of genetic time bombs, that ordain for how long we all should live. One day they will figure out how to defuse those time bombs. And you're right, with the nascent cybernetics going on, humans will have active accesses to all known knowledge though implanted super-computers the size of miniscule RRD tags. Perhaps with access to 'the collective', like a Borg-like dystopia. Who knows. But you're right about hitting the wall. Because with all of that, we'll never be able to do what we all seem to long for, and that is to reach out and touch the hand of our maker. Reminds me of this scene. It reflects our powerful urge (and perhaps folly) to know God.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3u4j0hVy8cThanks again, my friend for your always thoughtful comments.Replies: @polaco, @polaco
and say that we finally made it, won the game, and are in control from now on. I’m prone to think there is a side of reality we’ll never be able to see, explore, and make use of, that there is a wall we’ll eventually, inevitably hit.
Perhaps it’s fate (or God’s will? ; ) that I find myself conversing with you once again.
Nothing is truly random…
thanks for the reply Rurik.
Say what??HIAS -- Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society,
Just two Catholic volags received the lion’s share of federal refugee resettlement dollars from 1996 to 2011.
Established in 1911, the USCRI is not a successor to the USCC, It’s founder’s name was Edith Bremer, someone ‘aus Bremen’ in Germany, judging by the last name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Committee_for_Refugees_and_Immigrants
Indeed, and considering stringy materials like simple or increasingly complex polymeric molecules agitated in a medium such as heaving seawater underscores what you are saying.
Anyone who has worked with large amounts of stringy material, e.g. cables,will know that one of its characteristic features is that it goes into tangles.
Compare this, regarding knotting in proteins:
Spontaneous knotting of an agitated string
Dorian M. Raymer and Douglas E. Smith
PNAS October 16, 2007 104 (42) 16432-16437; https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.0611320104
Edited by Leo P. Kadanoff, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL, and approved July 30, 2007 (received for review December 21, 2006)
Abstract
It is well known that a jostled string tends to become knotted; yet the factors governing the “spontaneous” formation of various knots are unclear. We performed experiments in which a string was tumbled inside a box and found that complex knots often form within seconds. We used mathematical knot theory to analyze the knots. Above a critical string length, the probability P of knotting at first increased sharply with length but then saturated below 100%. This behavior differs from that of mathematical self-avoiding random walks, where P has been proven to approach 100%. Finite agitation time and jamming of the string due to its stiffness result in lower probability, but P approaches 100% with long, flexible strings. We analyzed the knots by calculating their Jones polynomials via computer analysis of digital photos of the string. Remarkably, almost all were identified as prime knots: 120 different types, having minimum crossing numbers up to 11, were observed in 3,415 trials. All prime knots with up to seven crossings were observed. The relative probability of forming a knot decreased exponentially with minimum crossing number and Möbius energy, mathematical measures of knot complexity. Based on the observation that long, stiff strings tend to form a coiled structure when confined, we propose a simple model to describe the knot formation based on random “braid moves” of the string end. Our model can qualitatively account for the observed distribution of knots and dependence on agitation time and string length.
And finally this piece on the mathematics of tangle in DNA:
Conservation of complex knotting and slipknotting patterns in proteins
Joanna I. Sułkowska, Eric J. Rawdon, Kenneth C. Millett, Jose N. Onuchic, and Andrzej Stasiak
PNAS June 26, 2012 109 (26) E1715-E1723; https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1205918109
Edited by* Michael S. Waterman, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA, and approved May 4, 2012 (received for review April 17, 2012)
Abstract
While analyzing all available protein structures for the presence of knots and slipknots, we detected a strict conservation of complex knotting patterns within and between several protein families despite their large sequence divergence. Because protein folding pathways leading to knotted native protein structures are slower and less efficient than those leading to unknotted proteins with similar size and sequence, the strict conservation of the knotting patterns indicates an important physiological role of knots and slipknots in these proteins. Although little is known about the functional role of knots, recent studies have demonstrated a protein-stabilizing ability of knots and slipknots. Some of the conserved knotting patterns occur in proteins forming transmembrane channels where the slipknot loop seems to strap together the transmembrane helices forming the channel.
Book "[4]" is Bates and Maxwell on DNA topology (catenation, supercoiling, knotting). Highly recommended. Though hardly the sort of thing Mr. Reed would consider before recycling a column like this one for advancement of his favorite memes for general readers.
In this article, we consider enzymes which change the topology of DNA. In particular we deal with site-specific recombinases and topoisomerase and show how knot theory is applied to their study.
DNA topology is the study of geometrical and topological properties of circular DNA. Essentially all reactions involving DNA are influenced by its topology. [4] is a good reference book for general DNA topology. Some knot theory books include expository chapters on the applications of low-dimensional topology and knot theory to the study of DNA ([1, 16, 22]).
These books focus on the tangle method of Ernst and Sumners and the analysis of site-specific recombination [14]
Book “[4]” is Bates and Maxwell on DNA topology (catenation, supercoiling, knotting). Highly recommended. Though hardly the sort of thing Mr. Reed would consider before recycling a column like this one for advancement of his favorite memes for general readers.
Fred’s “general readers” can at least do simple additions, something a 5 year old can do on his smartphone, which you seem unable to. Like the following comment of yours, when you post a table that directly contradicts your statement:
https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/can-trump-stop-the-invasion/#comment-3085919
Olorin:
Judaists?
Just two Catholic volags received the lion’s share of federal refugee resettlement dollars from 1996 to 2011.
Response from somebody who actually took the time to scrutinize the table:
Comparing apples :: apples, Jews took in 32 times the amount of federal grant money that Catholics did, 1996 – 2002
You stated elsewhere you had worked in/with the field of social [justice] work, I know Fred can deal with advanced math, he even has the credentials/degree, I’m not sure about you in light of this. I seriously doubt you had read what you linked to.
When Saker and Phil Giraldi keep “recycling” their topics, most readers don’t mind as new facts and details appear, and circumstances change. I can’t help noticing that diverting attention away from judaistic machinations, and advancing judaistic interests are what you’re after.
The actual argument behind that statement takes several pages to unpack properly... but it's remarkably robust.Replies: @polaco
All 'voluntary' actions are done because we expect them to contribute to something we want , however we do not control our wants.
“Irreducible complexity” is an attractive trope when faced with the bewildering range of complex bits and pieces that make up any life form.
What evolutionary advantage does complexity bring? Bacteria can survive in active volcano craters and other extreme environments humans cannot. We don’t have an edge against them, we get cancer and are quite fragile. Why would there be complexity when a closed system tends towards disorder, it clearly gets harder to sustain the cycle of life. Seems everything sholud tend to be simpler and simpler, less complex systems are more reliable, they have ever smaller failure rates. To decay, disintegrate, and be ground into stardust is a much more probable outcome.
That is far more awe-inspiring than some fucktarded Bronze Age bullshit.
I have a minor quibble and I know it’s not what you meant, but nothing can be dismissed on account of the historic era it’s associated with. The term ‘BA Bullshit’ has become fashionable. Humans were as intelligent in the Bronze Age as today. Although not exactly the same period, how many Unz Review readers would come up with something small, like the Pythagorean theorem by themselves? Or how to produce actual bronze?
There was no evolutionary pressure on those carrying the mutation, because the diet was abundant in vitamin C (coz those affected had a diet consisting mainly of fruit).
Vitamin C is very poorly absorbed through diet and rapidly excreted through urination, you really would need to take high, around 1000mg, doses every few hours to compensate.
Could you achieve that through dietary intake alone? Won’t the fruit diet kill you? Quite a lot of carbs for the body to absorb, which is done much more readily than fat or anything else. Even if wild fruit has multiple times more Vitamin C than domesticated fruit, and less carbohydrates, I find it hard to believe that fruit dominated diet would sustain human life.
Interestingly, the Bible talks in the book of Genesis, how the humans of old used to live for hundreds of years, but God has put a stop to it and decided that 120 years would be the man’s number of years from then on. Animals that internally produce the vitamin, live 8 to 10 times their age of physical maturity, while those that do not only about between 3 and 4 times. If physical development stops at 25 for humans, so the upper limit would be 100 years, for example, while before the mutation it would be 250 years.
And of course the logical impediment to the likes of Behe is that any putative ‘creator’ must – of necessity – be more complex than the irreducibly-complex component.
So how did the ‘creator’ come about? It must also have had a creator – otherwise, something more complex than the ‘irreducibly complex’ thing must be assumed to have appeared spontaneously.
Expecting humans to answer these types of questions isn’t even analogical to asking a chimp to solve an integral, the chimp will never see math, it will never know that abstract, yet highly applicable and useful concepts exist. There are measurable (roughly) absolute IQ differences between apes and humans. God is infinitely intelligent and powerful, as understood.
Then we discovered all manner of structures that were eye-ish or eye-adjacent; light-sensitive patches and so forth… and the god-botheres just slunk away and started looking for other gaps into which to sticky-tape their invisible friend.
The polish comedian- an unapologetic Catholic, Wojciech Cejrowski- has maintained all the miracles the Bible talks about will one day be explained by science and reproduced, as everything must conform to the laws of physics that the way it’s created, govern the physical world. But I disagree, will we ever be on that level? But who knows… “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”- Nikola Tesla:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/139502-the-day-science-begins-to-study-non-physical-phenomena-it-will
Then again… they’ve thought a lot of things over the last 20 centuries, and pretty much all of them fall apart under scrutiny (which is why they shut down science whenever they get in charge, lest their silly book be exposed as a gallimaufry of nonsense and a congeries of primitive drivel).
Rather from the fall of Rome, or the early Medieval Period to Reformation, than 20 centuries.
This is actually an argument against power, not religion. The average Unz reader knows this- there were times throughout history, when the dynamics of politics, science, and religion would converge, because the cynical and psychopathic types who often seek, and end up in positions of power, saw that if their subjects hold religion important, it was necessary to have been legitimized and blessed by religious leaders. But priests were always second to political operatives. The god-emperors and Dei Gratia kings of yore, were always at the top of the food chain, and you’d better not try to undermine their divine rights, questioning religion meant not recognizing their authority.
The Mayan, Mesopotamian and Egyptian scientists = priests would use their knowledge of astronomy, like ecliptic events, to advance the rulers’ agendas and keep the population in check. The pagan emperor Constantine reported visions from God to win favor with his majority-Christian subjects, to ensure loyalty, when the Licinus’ army he was facing was perceived as Christian. Polish kings would have important, and high status bishops imprisoned or executed, if they dared criticize them, like Saint Stanislaus, consequences varied with respect to the high and low rank subjects’ collective mood, that could be captured and exploited by political enemies to advance their interests. Philip IV hounded the pope out, he died after being severely beaten by the king’s men, and replaced him with a new one in Avignon. These subsequent popes would naturally approve of his actions- confiscating the estate of the Knights Templar for example. Ironically both the pope and the king died that same year, before Christmas, as Jacques de Molay invoked divine justice upon them, from the stake. Saint Thomas Moore was a close friend of king Henry VIII, before his insistence on the importance of religious matters killed him. If Americans seriously believed in Voodoo, the president might be a voodoo priest, not because he believed in it, but because his electorate did. Haiti’s dictator- Papa Doc Duvelier, was doing exactly that, dissipating rumors of being an all-seeing witch doctor/spirit.
Religion deals with morality and abstract ideas, the New Testament doesn’t specify any strictly scientific laws, or that it’s a sin to accept/appreciate them. The Church hasn’t even bothered to do away with the Index of Prohibited Books, for it has no relevance to the matters of faith, it faded into obscurity when religion became the focus after the civil authorities had gone away. But it was always the government’s discretion to enforce it, not all Italian city states were doing it, as most countries had their own government censorship in place. For all practical purposes, the Church and State separated during the Protestant Reformation era, not at the end of the 18th century. However, state and science will not separate.
The power struggles after the fall of Rome, with governments not involved significantly, resulted in monasteries’ becoming centers of science, where textbooks were being copied, before universities emerged in Italy. It was this entanglement of science and religion, that the academic community of the day grew out of, when Galileo was put on trial. They weren’t going to tolerate any attempts to invalidate their life’s worth of ‘research’ they had been teaching to generations of students. The earth’s being the center of the universe, or the flat earth concept predate Christianity by millennia and are not found in the Old Testament. That very situation was non-religious at the core. Like the fear we see today when academics refuse debate and are hostile to even mild instances of questioning of the prevailing ideas their careers are build upon. The Daniel Everett – Noam Chomsky spat (https://www.chronicle.com/article/angry-words/131260), is one current example, and I have no doubts the challenged parties do wish ill on the heretics, and would have them neutralized if they could. They know they’re wrong but won’t concede.
Thank God I don’t get stirred up like that, and do enjoy Fred’s writings, and I respect that my going to Church doesn’t bother him any more than my [non]going to the cinema. He’s not a Talmudist, after all, his agenda is drinking beer.
Not least because all decisions originate in the subconscious, over which we do not have conscious control.
All decisions? How do you know? Have you arrived at that conclusion sub- or consciously? So when kids sit down to compete in the Math Olympiad, do they solve problems subconsciously? Or consciously decide that if they have A and B and C, they can get F and in turn it can allow them to get E, that A, B, C, etc., have such and such properties and relationships which allow them to arrive at the solution. Do they subconsciously analyze all the accumulated knowledge behind a theorem that takes up a single line on paper.
Maybe the process of retrieving memories and information is subconscious, but they’re consciously evaluating what’s important at the moment. When they mull the paths to choose and when they decide on the simpler and not the harder but more interesting path, do they do that subconsciously? Newton, and the thinkers from all the generations before him, saw a curve in nature, in a painting, or any other place, and begun to consciously analyze it, which led him to his discoveries in math and physics.
All ‘voluntary’ actions are done because we expect them to contribute to something we want , however we do not control our wants.
Can this statement be rephrased as:
All ‘voluntary’ actions are done because we want them to contribute to something we want?
And further: All ‘voluntary’ actions are done because we want them?
Is there a good definition of a ‘want’. Free will is about deciding to pursue or not to pursue our wants, it’s about which wants we choose to satisfy- expect to fulfill, in theory the number of our wants can grow indefinitely, but we can’t take an infinite number of actions, and as such cannot contribute to all our wants. It may address many, but no single action will take care of all the wants. Free will is the selection of a subset of our wants we want to deal with. We do not take action/actions we expect to contribute to every single one of our wants. It’s about which wants we’re after.
This is like trying to disprove the idea of free will with the chicken and egg argument. I take action (want to) to contribute to a want, therefore I want (take action) not to contribute to my other wants because I haven’t taken/am not taking the action to contribute to them. When I take no action at all, I expect to contribute to the want not to contribute to any wants. What about the order, in which various persistent wants can be satisfied, do I have any leeway here? Is time a dimension relevant to humans but not to abstract logical arguments represented on paper?
But what about thoughts? Can they be thought of as instantaneous actions that are simultaneous with wants, do wants equal actions in this case, actions that satisfy nothing else but themselves? When I’m thinking about X, I obviously want to think about it, and don’t when I’m not, the activity becomes the want. Can we find the boundaries where a want ends and the action begins, as far as thoughts are concerned? I can’t think about real things I have not encountered- I don’t know they exist, but I can think about imaginary things, that could very well be real, and I can choose from an infinite set of ideas, things, numbers to think about. I can control my wants by thinking about different ones, or not thinking at all. I cannot deeply think about several things at a time, my conscious mind cannot be occupied by several deeply engaging thoughts concurrently, but my thoughts are controllable.
When I use thoughts (instantaneous wants = actions) to decide which persistent wants (potential delayed actions, which will become instantaneous when I get around to doing them) to contribute to, and to select the order, ain’t that free will?
Are wants much different from accumulated memories/knowledge that come to the forefront and go away, or can be brought to the focus on demand? We can’t desire something we haven’t heard about. You can have many languages, but retrieve the info as you please/want. Wasn’t it a conscious decision to intensely think about something distant, to avoid the embarrassment, as a kid at grade school- to make a bnr go away? Seems like a controllable want. Oh, but that would come involuntarily… If you began to thing about the right stuff it would come on demand.
I used to be a big chocolate lover, but have since given up all sweets, and now it all tastes nauseating to me. How did my want to stop eating morsels overcame the want to eat them? Can wants be quantified? Can some wants exceed and take precedence over others? Does the want not to offend an elderly aunt exceed the want not to indulge?
I want to kiss all the pretty girls I see, but have other persistent wants too, like drinking whisky. Does the want not to be MeToo’ed, or not to be seen as a drunkard exceed those? These wants usually appear in pairs and compete, but sometimes 10 smaller wants compete against 3 medium value wants, while the values of all the wants oscillate with time. These wants come, intensify, and go away with time as external circumstances, and my various estimates change. When I ignore them, do I satisfy the want to ignore, or do I assign a higher value to some other want, so that I’ve effectively cancelled a want out with another? I don’t want to rape anybody, but what about a guy who does and at the same time doesn’t want to go to jail, yet commits the crime and is prosecuted. His wants haven’t naturally changed at all, but his assessments and calculations were off, when he decided to act on his want to rape. He had estimated the outcome incorrectly- his actions stemmed from that, and contributed to something he didn’t want- he voluntarily and unwittingly elected to be locked up. His expectations were fulfilled initially. But the time dimension caught up with him later.
What if I’m about to be interrogated by the NKVD, and take the ‘easy’ way out. I want to live, does my want not to suffer outweigh the want to live? How do I know if the pain I inflict on myself will be any worse than the anticipated torture? My actions stem from my estimates of outcomes, not my wants. My expectations that my possible actions will contribute to something I want, are quite low, they’re essentially zero. Sure, when I’m gnawing on my wrists, I obviously want to do it while I’m doing it, but do I really, do instantaneous wants (actions in progress) take precedent over persistent wants? When is a want synonymous with action that’s occurring simultaneously and instantaneously, what are these- flash wants?
When you chose a wife consciously, in your best estimate, she’s just a set of desirable, visible and invisible characteristics (your wants) to which you assign constant, and at times varying values, when comparing her against other women. You have eliminated love- a subconscious emotion, at the outset. Now what, blond is better, blond it is? Why? Satisfying my want. Why do you have it, where does it come from? It’s about as useful a statement as thinking ‘jazz is better’ or ‘God bless America’ (which lots of confused people used to equate with ‘God don’t bless any other countries’),to make a logically valid decision in this situation.
You don’t have a persistent want to eat chocolate, what if I put a gun to your head and tell you to eat chocolate, or else… You eat- you live; but you have options- either milk or dark, I don’t care what you choose, as long as you pick one. You decide to go along with my demands, reject the ‘no-chocolate/no-choice made’ option. I, and your wanting/not-wanting to live, are out of the equation, it’s only you and two chocolate bars now, you will have to make a subjective decision, something computer algorithms cannot do, they can’t act on an illogical statement like ‘dark is better’. Are we back to square one – I’m choosing dark, because I want to, since I’m choosing it? What if you’re not allowed to know which bar is which? You will voluntarily make a choice, you have already contributed to ‘something you want’, namely to staying alive, yet you have a choice that will not contribute to anything you want anymore, an abstract decision, you will also not be doing it subconsciously and involuntarily, how could a machine do it when the paths that lead to the final choice are identical and indistinguishable? What if you’re making the decision whether to take somebody, you have absolutely no feelings about, off of life support or not. Are you contributing to your want to want to decide? It’s not about you, all your wants are already satisfied, it’s about the choice, about to be made, itself, it exists outside of your wants. I don’t see how we’re just machines that could have only done the things we had done, machines that had to follow predetermined paths, where absolutely nothing different than what happened could have occured. Life/existence forces us into making choices independent of our wants: “Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord But you’re gonna have to serve somebody” – Bob Dylan.
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To me it's the exact opposite. We are so very, very much more than rockshttps://img0.etsystatic.com/027/0/9640446/il_fullxfull.616816324_odoe.jpgor even flies, just look at us!What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
To me, if there was no eternal life, I would be as good dead as alive- just a collection of interacting atoms, no different from a fly on the wall, a metamorphic rock, or any other physical element that’s part of the universe- when viewed through the ‘eyes of the cosmos’ and science.
But your loved ones do, and you must certainly acknowledge that many people's lives are more than the sum of their molecules. Look at Jesus Christ as an example. Perhaps he was God Himself, or just an extraordinarily heroic and beatific man. Nevertheless He/he left an amazing impact. He touched hearts and led people to their better angels, even thousands of years after His death. And not just the Christ, but too many men and women to count. Joan of Arc is one of my heroes even from the grave. So many others!
The laws of physics don’t give a damn if I step on a landmine.
They're worth living your life as an honorable and decent man, and basking in the ineffable gift that life is. Loving and being loved, are their own reward. When you make the most of this life, the reward is self-evident with every breath, even with life's misfortunes. You're alive. “Heaven is under our feet as well as over our heads.”
Death, and the ultimate end of consciousness as such wouldn’t really seem so scary either, but what the hell are life and all the efforts worth then, when I’m not around anymore to witness our accumulative success.
It's not all about immortality. I like that scene in the movie Troy, when Achilles (Brat Pitt) explains to the priestess why mortal life is the envy of the Gods. It's not all about legacy, either genetic or cultural either. Or just striving for comfort. It is about all of that. This is the thing, as far as organized religions go..If they're right, and this life is just a test, and the best way to pass it is to renounce this life as 'of the flesh, and sinful', and to live an ascetic life of service to our religious leaders and the church, (or synagogue or mosque or temple), based on a rejection of the pleasure of our senses and appetites, because by doing so, we'll be rewarded with eternity after we're dead. OK fine. But what if they're wrong. What if this life is all there is going to be? What if we've been given something from God (or the Gods or providence or ID or sleestaks, etc..) and this is it?What if I had a pretty good idea that I was right about that, but then came upon a man starving himself of all earthly delights, and engaged self-flagellation for all 'his sins', 24/7. If I were to ask him, 'pray sir, why must you torment yourself so?'And his response was so that he'll enter the gates of heaven, when all his desires will be fulfilled. But I pretty much knew that he was rejecting his one and only chance at true happiness- would I be right to leave him to his self-abuse? Or try to explain to him that the touch of a woman, or the taste of a well-cooked meal, or so infinitely many joys there are out there, are for him to revel in. What would the moral thing be to do? Leave him to it? Or try to get him to question the wisdom of an earthly life rejected?
Just to enjoy myself, and strive for comfort, while knowing some day I’m gonna be reduced to nothing, why try harder, because some minuscule parts of my DNA will keep getting recycled for a time?
Human will no-doubt figure out the human genome to the point they'll be able to accomplish a kind of limited immortality. Our cells don't die out of old age, but rather by way of genetic time bombs, that ordain for how long we all should live. One day they will figure out how to defuse those time bombs. And you're right, with the nascent cybernetics going on, humans will have active accesses to all known knowledge though implanted super-computers the size of miniscule RRD tags. Perhaps with access to 'the collective', like a Borg-like dystopia. Who knows. But you're right about hitting the wall. Because with all of that, we'll never be able to do what we all seem to long for, and that is to reach out and touch the hand of our maker. Reminds me of this scene. It reflects our powerful urge (and perhaps folly) to know God.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3u4j0hVy8cThanks again, my friend for your always thoughtful comments.Replies: @polaco, @polaco
and say that we finally made it, won the game, and are in control from now on. I’m prone to think there is a side of reality we’ll never be able to see, explore, and make use of, that there is a wall we’ll eventually, inevitably hit.
I should have written ‘this different, temporary arrangement of atoms thanks you’, and posted my picture, but as ‘seen’ by the server/computer it would be yet another set of reshuffled zeros and ones, in its essence not fundamentally different than another, its fate irrelevant.
Good to be here anyway.
I suspect that's the point of it all
Good to be here anyway.
This doesn’t need to be repeated, that an expat on a fixed income from a developed country with a strong currency will have a quality of life that’s unattainable by the average local. He can leverage a primitive country’s third world status, to show himself some really good time.
Notice also, how not surprisingly, none of Linh’s American escapees seems to be engaged in the same type of work the average Joe does in their respective ‘havens’. They don’t drive taxis, labour in construction, manufacturing, natural resource exploration and mining, as plumbers, car mechanics, carpenters, utility workers… While even the Latin Americans, with no English language skills, who stock shelves at American Walmarts, can afford nice Japanese cars.
Even if they could work with their heads, how much does the average Mexican software developer make a year, even when working for an American company, let alone a domestic one?
“Tong Zou, a 30-year-old Canadian software engineer who had been working in Silicon Valley for the past seven years as a software engineer. (…) some $422,000 he had saved over the past seven years.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-09/quadrigas-collapse-cost-one-canadian-software-engineer-his-entire-lifes-savings
And of course, the real test for whether third worlders are better than first worlders, comes when one has to go to court, especially when the opposing party is some local, doesn’t even have to be well connected, or to a hospital. When he has to bribe petty bureaucrats to see anything move forward. That’s when one gets the real (bitter) taste of his new paradise. Rich people don’t get kidnapped for ransom in the US.
That said, many seem to hold Fred’s lifestyle choices out against him, as if he was personally responsible for all the illegals overrunning the US.
“the Virgin of Guadalupe does not appear in the Bible”
Can’t take the Protestant out of Fred. The Church, springing from oral historical accounts and traditions, had existed for a long time without the Bible in its formal, written form, parts of which hadn’t appeared until the sixth or seventh century AD. Eventually the Church leaders had to sit down and officially incorporate the valid, universally recognized as God’s true word, Gospels into one, and reject all the apocrypha and Gnostic heresies, and also outright gossip level stories- like some other kid dying instantly, while hitting the teen Jesus on the arm. The Bible as we know it, appears at the time of Saint Athanasius of Alexandria. The Bible itself states many things Jesus has said and done are not described therein.
“Mexico being stubbornly itself”
The resistance to changes for the better, improvement, and advancement, increases directly opposite to the decrease in the psychological characteristic, which Fred is quick to point out when writing about American blacks, who also stubbornly cling to their moronic vernacular and speech patterns, and modes of dress, with 40 year old men wearing caps with shiny stickers still on, the affinity for red t-shirts, and clownish sagging pants. When it should come naturally to imitate success. Peruvians cling to their ill suited hats, they can’t shrug them off any more, than the Inca mandated hair styles in the past.
Most Americans on fixed incomes like myself move to primitive Third World countries to escape the primitives we would be around in the US. I’ve never gotten the impression, for example, that Fred Reed was in love with blacks or white trailer trash.
Several orders of magnitude more people in the third world want a ticket to the USA, not the other way around. The USA is still the strongest economy in the world, look at the debt to GDP ratios of other advanced countries, how Japan stands out for example, the US is not the disaster many describe yet. I used the term ‘third world people’ and ‘first world’ people on purpose. What do the ghetto blacks, and Mexicans have to do with America? They should be repatriated using the military. They’re foreigners and adversaries of true Americans, even trailer park whites pay their own bills and work, they’re a much higher class of people than their south east Asian counterparts. It’s still very much possible to have a quiet life in America, away from the problems. On top of that you can still defend your family and property legally, even when Democrats brought the full weight of their influence in the media and government bureaucracy on Zimmerman, in the end it was just him and the jury and justice prevailed. If I hurt a home invader bent on killing my family in Poland, I’m in deep trouble.
But when you have lived in trailer parks or low-income housing among white trash or inner-city blacks or Mestizos then a subdivision in Mexico or Southeast Asia is positively refined. Who wants to live next door to bickering meth-addicted white trash animals. I can remember one time in Phoenix a black pimp showing up at my door with two redneck white hookers.
Who lives this way? Normal people can get away from all this, suburbanites don’t see any of that. If you cannot get away from that in America you’re a hopeless loser. Even immigrants work their way to the middle class suburban, small town or country life. The worst that can happen is a large condominium complex full of Indian software developers and engineers can spring nearby, whose kids speak impeccable white English.
People, like Jim Rogers who is worth paying attention to, say the US dollar will make its last hurrah when the EU, Japan, Third World unravel, even China is not immune, and has private and public debts to the tune of 250% of GDP, and that the dollar will take off, and it will be this very crisis on the edge of which the world is sitting now. When that has happened, he says to look for something else to convert your overvalued dollars to, and to stay away from debt, especially from government bonds, which you should sell yesterday. How attractive will all these Third World countries be when most currencies are equally worthless, and you have to rely on your working children and grandchildren to take care of you when you’re old, the US may see an influx of disillusioned refugee citizens.
Al Capone was rich.....Einstein was not.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Buzz Mohawk, @polaco, @Shermy, @DRA, @Joe Stalin
Fitzgerald: The rich are different from you and me.
Hemingway: Yes, they have better genes.
Gotta be an entrepreneur, have drive and competitiveness in your blood, be a leader.
With few exceptions, you won’t get rich working for somebody else. Intelligence doesn’t guarantee wealth, but if you don’t let it go to waste, at least you won’t have to dig ditches.
I doubt Boeing’s former CEO, McNerney, with his management degrees, was more intelligent than any low rank engineer employed there.
My guess, too, is criminals understand they wouldn’t be able to get away with it, even after having been paid. The authorities would eventually track them down. Maybe the level of attention a kidnapping can bring is also a factor. The west is not as lawless as Latin America, using the spoil to pay off the police and prosecutors is not as easy, it’s unacceptable, the police tend to want to bring their investigations to closure. In most countries, it’s actually hard to call these places real countries, the predatory nature of government functionaries is on full display, they expect bribes and work for the highest bidder, in northern Mexico drug cartels run the place, not the legal authorities who cower in their stations at night.
One of Mitt Romney’s Mormon cousins was held for ransom in Mexico- https://www.deseretnews.com/article/705311231/Kidnap-victim-freed-in-Mexico.html
The polish writer and comedian, W.Cejrowski, who has traveled extensively in South America, once realized he was being tracked across several countries by a kidnapping gang, a familiar face would pop-up in his vicinity on occasion. But they eventually gave up after doing their due diligence. He actually confronted someone he thought he had seen before, and got told he used to be a target, but it was decided he wasn’t worth the effort, for the expected amount of money to extort wasn’t what they had been hoping for. A guy, who Cejrowski later recalled seeing on a Colombian wanted poster, told him flat out, he had nothing to worry about as they had concluded nobody would pay anything for him.
So, with that in mind, why would any god-like creature create a reality filled with morons who are far below the average reader of this site, all of whom are far inferior to the simulator themselves?
I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks. Even though the whole world would be a whole lot better off than now in general, I suspect there still would be people not satisfied with the situation. People within different brackets see the world differently and have radically different ideas about the way things should be; suppose the cut-off is 100, a lot of people would be happy with a population like that, there would be a vast difference in the way the world could work, but who can guarantee there would be no social discontent, the highly intelligent, especially when their population has expanded, would still look at their lower IQ compatriots with suspicion.
If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That’s below me, let that idiot over there do it. But there would be nobody around- why do I have to do this shit-job, I ain’t more stupid, I can have the same credentials in no time, I can work as hard as he can… A whole new set of problems would arise. How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board? The occasional genius that pops-up in the population and makes some breakthroughs, relies on the rest of the ‘not so bright’ people for existence. A world where robots do everything is very distant. Life will always have challenges, without them there is no progress. Just as the Sun’s energy output varies, so does human intelligence, and there are good reasons for it.
Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for? “All God’s creatures have their place in the choir”- when Mao had all the sparrows exterminated, it turned out wasps lost their natural enemies and then killed all the bees, so there was nothing left to pollinate crops. They had to do it by hand, and it brought a famine about. The system is very complex, many animals need others to survive and exist, the interconnections are not always direct and clear.
Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did. South African mining companies would bring in the least intelligent workers en masse, from across the whole continent to do the grueling work from dawn to dusk without complaining, before things went awry, it had been working very well for them, but only until such time. It’s the leadership of intelligent, yet evil people, that hinders humanity. Stupid people- everything depends on how you use “it”, which can be said about everything else.
Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you. Today's robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price. Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any human. This is with programmers whose IQ may reach 140 or 150; who would be redundant when automation is built by people averaging IQ 300+?
I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.
Nobody. Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.
If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches?
You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future. If we had an average 300 IQ with a standard deviation of 45, the top 0.1% would score in excess of 400. I'm about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do. I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.
How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
You cannot contemplate Dyson spheres around stars, an ever-expanding sphere of civilization encompassing galaxies? You are WAY too limited to even understand these issues.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @polaco, @polaco
Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for?
I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ "morons" as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks. Even though the whole world would be a whole lot better off than now in general, I suspect there still would be people not satisfied with the situation. People within different brackets see the world differently and have radically different ideas about the way things should be; suppose the cut-off is 100, a lot of people would be happy with a population like that, there would be a vast difference in the way the world could work, but who can guarantee there would be no social discontent, the highly intelligent, especially when their population has expanded, would still look at their lower IQ compatriots with suspicion.
So, with that in mind, why would any god-like creature create a reality filled with morons who are far below the average reader of this site, all of whom are far inferior to the simulator themselves?
Replying to comment #10 https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3151475
My argument was about why there exist variations in IQ, and everything else for that matter. Maybe some people seem ‘obsolete’ now but they played a role in getting us to where we are standing today.
As to simulations, pick your poison, I stick to my ambrosia- speaking as a Catholic, God is all powerful, his wisdom unbound. The more intelligence you have, the more you see, understand, and are able to create, so with his infinite intelligence God can create realities beyond our imagination, he could even be Himself in infinitely many instances at once if he wanted to, I suppose. The Bible says “Indeed, even the hairs on your head have all been counted!”, so He surely has all of the data in the universe accounted for and under control…
If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite
The Bible also says more will be required of those who have received more, so if your intelligent brain can present your soul with different options to chose from, you should go with what is right, because when a dumb guy reacts instinctively, for he doesn’t have the brains capable of analyzing and weighing his options, the soul is still there, yet the brain won’t offer it the choices to consciously select from, and he will not be judged as harshly.
The question should really be how, not why, since we and the world around us already exist; an adequate answer to why create something not up to par may as well be, why not? “The human brain cannot deal with the question of ultimate origin”- Fred Reed.
Absolutely agree, how we live our lives will decide what happens to us in the afterlife. Jesus also told Peter, rebuking him harshly, that his way of reasoning was human, not God like, when, after Jesus had told his disciples he would suffer greatly and be killed, Peter began to reassure Jesus nothing of such sort would be allowed to happen.
Going back to Anon’s comment- https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3151760
If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite
Whatever inventions and improvement this elite make, the rising tide lifts all the boats, everybody benefits. This elite are free to do their jobs since they benefit from the fact that somebody else takes care of different things, it’s a symbiotic relationship. The idea is that everybody operates at his peak cognitive performance, so an excavator operator can be as passionate and happy to work as a scientist, he has as much fulfillment, and does not hate his job. Chemical elements have different atomic numbers for a reason too, everything has its place, variation is a necessary feature of the world which enables it to function, there would be no life as we know it without this property.
The Manhattan Project people, ‘the cognitive elite’, were significantly smarter than the politicians they were working for, but they look like running dogs here. It’s hard to say who benefits, or who is fooling whom. Obama is no doubt entertained, and laughs every day, at the thought of whites suckers voting for him. He thinks he got something, yet his voters also won some “freebies”, as they perceive it. All sides see themselves as winners.
Why would any creator make a universe filled with creatures significantly more primitive than itself? Entertainment? Are you entertained by ants fighting? Intellectual conversations?
God wants and expects us to live in peace. What entertains him if anything, we will never know. We have not created ants, we are made of the same matter as ants. We can reshape matter already found in our environment, it’s not the same as God’s creating the universe. The relationship is inconceivably different.
If you’re curious you can find everything fascinating or entertaining, the little ‘robots’ insects are, look exciting to many people, the way bees communicate the location of nectar bearing flowers to the rest is amazing. A lot of ideas can be taken from the natural world, and used for our benefit. I am even fascinated by the very idea of an infinitesimally small point.
I would be careful with inserting the idea of entertainment into the argument, it’s a highly subjective matter. A passionate excavator operator can start a company of his own, get rich, and afford all the entertainment he wants. Different people have different ideas about entertainment, watching football, listening to music, video games, mountain climbing and other physical activity, beating the market, playing chess or violin, passionately doing research and cracking a scientific problem… Warren Buffett leads an unassuming, simple lifestyle for his financial status, there are millionaires more extravagant than he is.
a deceptively complicated-looking snowflake is the product of a set of simple mathematical principles, so is reality I would suspect.
There is a lot going on here, it’s a long way to get from water molecules, to the snowflake. Mathematics is used to understand and describe reality, to make the laws of physics accessible to our minds, it doesn’t answer why things are the way they are. Mathematical principles can seem counterintuitive, like the Banach-Tarski Paradox. At least to me, reality is not a set of simple mathematical principles, complexity is the foundation of the universe, everywhere I look, the explanations required to describe the world are difficult, not simple. Big questions take more than simple answers.
If demographics are not addressed nothing will change.
Having a family should be everyone’s number one priority. If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures. The immigration issue would be a no starter. That’s not to say immigration is an absolute necessity with a decreasing population, the 30 Year’s War reduced the population of the various German states by 40% or more, they pulled through. I suspect a lot of Americans would rather have more strawberries, and other produce, than more immigrants to harvest them at home, imported from Mexico. Even when dealing with a substantial population of old people, caretakers could be allowed in on the basis of a very strict guest-worker policy, like allowing only people in their 40s, 50s and 60s in, for a limited number of years per person.
Our own, conservative politician- one JKM, has been talking about it for almost 30 years now, mainly as it relates to the national pension scheme, which like everywhere else, relies on a perpetually increasing population. While at the same time, government budgets keep going up to cover the accumulating expenses, even when the population stagnates. Here’s a clip of him on the Piers Morgan show:
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And here’s an entertaining, yet somber take on immigration by somebody else:
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The main problem here are incentives.
Having a family should be everyone’s number one priority.
Yeppo. This explains the transition from settler colonization aka emigration to immigration.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures.
Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:
-A PRC-style social credit system
-Increased surveillance
-Increased police/intelligence budgets
-Total firearms bans
-Drone strikes on domestic soil
-Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban
UFO is right: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3152185,
All of these things you will get no matter what you do, the screws are being tightened just as they have been, gradually, for a long while. Towards the end, you should expect the final tightening down to happen suddenly, all at once, as the population becomes more agitated and grows weary of their hostile government. It is this authoritarian overreach coupled with a dire economic situation that can bring about violence as a desperate, push-back response. Alternatively, people will just passively accept their country’s sliding more and more in the direction of a social-democratic state, with a totalitarian flavour.
Demographics is key. Soon there will be no way for a true Republican to win an election, at least 30% of whites always vote Democrat, but the Republican party is the only place where you can find decent people to vote for. Many Republicans choose not to confront the status quo, when they go to Washington as the entire government bureaucracy consists of Democrats, from security guards all the way up to the highest ranking career political operators in all of the departments. They transfer your tax money to fund their friends’ non-profit operations, which keep you under siege. Democrats own the media and the entire education system. Then many Republicans are outright great white traitors, like all white Democrats serving the communist agenda, with the usual suspects calling the shots. Look how powerless and outnumbered Trump is, no one person can drain the swamp by himself, if you attack one useless government branch, all others will be up in arms against you, for they expect to be next, the political machine will chew you up and spit you out, this cancer has metastasized to unbelievable proportions, encompassing the whole country: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/11/thomas-dilorenzo/rich-rulers/
To have real change, you should start sending honest, incorruptible people to Washington, as well as elect them locally, people who would be happy with their government salaries, not susceptible to lobbying and pressure, they should have your full unwavering support, no matter how the economy goes, election after election. But this is unlikely, where to find them- there is no political solution, before too long, definitely in one generation, maybe sooner, Latin Americans will begin to elect shameless kleptocrats to your government positions, including the presidential office, things will go downhill rapidly from there. America may become a leftist, authoritarian regime, with Brazilian demographics, free government run medical care- with its unions on strike every year, free higher education, and naturally with a 25% VAT, and $8 per gallon petrol to pay for it all, and with economically crippling price increases across the board, associated with all new taxes.
In the 1950s the US was the place to be, an economic powerhouse, as well as the freest. How could a country almost 90% white have fallen like that. You’d think by now 99% white should be the natural outcome. Everywhere you look, there is nowhere to go if you want a developed, advanced country where freedom and justice dwell, just oppressive, intrusive governments in ascend all around, where people are not seen as humans, but as gulag prisoners referred to by numbers.
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Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans.
Jamaica became a horrible country after the British had left. Most of the Caribbean countries were non relevant backward places until Cuba went communist and Whites begun to set up tourist resorts there. Whites are also the brains behind all the tax havens established there, which has begun in the errly 1970s in the case of the Cayman islands.
Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.
Where did you pull that one out? Terrorism comes from the political left. ‘They’ encourage and excuse real violence, and relentless domestic terrorism against Whites all the time, read Paul Kersey’s blog for a change. Where do you draw the line? What is enough for you? Should Americans go down peaceful, with smiles on their faces, like docile sheep to slaughter? You’re fine with that, that’s where ‘they’ want you to be.
Why use words from the Wiesenthal Center / SPLC’s dictionary. Unless someone calls himself a Neo-Nazi, he’s not. Violence and rioting is always initiated by the loony Democrats- deployed and paid for by the party affiliated non-profit networks. They could be sending them to people’s homes, businesses and workplaces, for manufactured reasons, if there are no large rallies held. Everybody ought to be shocked and distrustful of a government that applies laws selectively.
Our consensus is that ‘their’ communist steamroller will squash moderates even as they’re sitting on their hands., that they’re just cucks by a different name, and should be educated to pay attention, and not wait until they feel the pain themselves. I’m more of an old right, socially conservative type of a person, the Alt-Right types are just a curiosity to me, but they’re out there and people can see that not everybody approves of the Democrats’ culture wars, and definitely they should pick their battles. Moderates should not be outraged, but at least quietly approve of someone who’s at least nominally on their side. And have an unapologetic attitude. Your character and philosophical foundation should be shaped at home, if circumstances require it, you should really be a different person in public than at home and when among your own people. I detest the term moderate, what is it, you just basically don’t care, so at least don’t vote, how can the moderate stance be taken on anything- I’m a moderate businessman/ worker/husband/student, you should always give it your all, you’re either with us or against us, they’re the people who will feed and house the enemy when he comes to their house amidst a civil war, instead of killing him, even when it’s safe to do so.
I doubt anything of this sort will materialize, but they way I would do it, there should be new monuments built on home turf. And people should start networking quietly, create secretive clubs and organizations, their own alternative, parallel societies- like the Afrikaner Broederbond for example, private scout movements headed by retired SAS types, to educate the youth to be proud of their culture, and heritage. Guard against government infiltration, while infiltrating and spying on the government. Conservatives should start banishing leftist affiliated businesses from their home ground, the way Democrats do it, or better yet- boycott them quietly and routinely, while patronizing their own. Jews condemn violence against Arabs publicly and pat themselves on their backs privately.
Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you. Today's robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price. Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any human. This is with programmers whose IQ may reach 140 or 150; who would be redundant when automation is built by people averaging IQ 300+?
I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.
Nobody. Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.
If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches?
You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future. If we had an average 300 IQ with a standard deviation of 45, the top 0.1% would score in excess of 400. I'm about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do. I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.
How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
You cannot contemplate Dyson spheres around stars, an ever-expanding sphere of civilization encompassing galaxies? You are WAY too limited to even understand these issues.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @polaco, @polaco
Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for?
Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.
This is not the issue, menial tasks would not disappear. The whole point is variations in IQ are needed to move society forward, I doubt they will ever disappear.
What human populations today have IQ around 50?
I wrote: “Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did.”
Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.
That’s what I wrote about- robots would be doing the new menial tasks- your first quote of me in your comment.
You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.
How would this uniformity help? Uniformity implies no change at all, you would never “progress immensely”, it’s an evident contradiction, even if there were variations they would have to really be meaningless (for the average IQ to remain uniform) from the point of view of progress. Basic logic is beyond your 150 IQ level.
This is not the issue, menial tasks would not disappear. The whole point is variations in IQ are needed to move society forward, I doubt they will ever disappear.
Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.
I wrote: "Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did."
What human populations today have IQ around 50?
That's what I wrote about- robots would be doing the new menial tasks- your first quote of me in your comment.
Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.
How would this uniformity help? Uniformity implies no change at all, you would never "progress immensely", it's an evident contradiction, even if there were variations they would have to really be meaningless (for the average IQ to remain uniform) from the point of view of progress. Basic logic is beyond your 150 IQ level.Replies: @polaco
You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.
To clarify the last point, you’d reach a plateau, and couldn’t progress beyond that.
Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you. Today's robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price. Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any human. This is with programmers whose IQ may reach 140 or 150; who would be redundant when automation is built by people averaging IQ 300+?
I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.
Nobody. Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.
If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches?
You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future. If we had an average 300 IQ with a standard deviation of 45, the top 0.1% would score in excess of 400. I'm about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do. I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.
How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
You cannot contemplate Dyson spheres around stars, an ever-expanding sphere of civilization encompassing galaxies? You are WAY too limited to even understand these issues.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @polaco, @polaco
Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for?
How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
You posit this from exactly nowhere.
My conclusion followed from the preceding statement:
If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That’s below me, let that idiot over there do it. But there would be nobody around- why do I have to do this shit-job, I ain’t more stupid, I can have the same credentials in no time, I can work as hard as he can… A whole new set of problems would arise.
What I meant was a hypothetical situation where the IQ is constant from one chap to another. To repeat myself- everybody is on the same level, with identical IQs, there are no deviations.
Torture has never been anything out of the ordinary throughout history, when the police of the day took you in for questioning they wouldn’t offer treats in exchange for a confession, torture has been standard operating procedure, it was the normal, expected course of any investigation. Why don’t people blame the governments of today for what the countries they rule now used to do in the past?
If you can trust the History channel, there is no proof of an Iron Maiden device ever having been used, rather, it was used as a fear inducing object having a profound psychological impact.
It was invented in Greece and offered for sale to the local tyrant who then tested it on its inventor!
there is no proof of an Iron Maiden device ever having been used,
There’s nowhere else to go, they approve- or should I say prefer- the message, what a politician does once elected nobody can control, and few want to sacrifice their time watching them “work”. At least give them credit for rejecting the Democratic Party platform. It’s an uphill battle anyway since the Democrats own the bureaucracy top to bottom.
If memory serves, exports to the US account for 30% of Mexico’s GDP, then, in random order, there is the drug trade, tourism, and remittances. If the American economy declines, the suffering economies of other countries that rely on a strong US economy, but also do business with Mexico, will weigh down on it too. That 2000 mile border is Mexico’s lifeline, if the US turns down, so will its neighbour, and likely much harder.
And to clarify Lord Randomfactor:
Darwinism has long being interpreted as a view of nature as based upon "chance." Ideologues have pounced on this to bolster their own extra-scientific philosophies... It is grindingly, creakingly, obvious that, if Darwinism were really a theory of chance, it couldn't work. [Dawkins 1996: 67]
Evolution and Chance
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
If you wish to understand, pray thusly, "Our Father, who art in He-even, hallowed be thy Randomness..."Replies: @ThreeCranes, @polaco
"In ordinary English, a random event is one without order, predicatability or pattern. The word connotes disaggregation, falling apart, formless anarchy, and fear. Yet, ironically, the scientific sense of random conveys a precisely opposite set of associations. A phenomenon governed by chance yields maximal simplicity, order and predictability--at least in the long run. ... Thus, if you wish to understand patterns of long historical sequences, pray for randomness." Gould [1993: 396f]
[ibid]
“In ordinary English, a random event is one without order, predicatability or pattern. The word connotes disaggregation, falling apart, formless anarchy, and fear. Yet, ironically, the scientific sense of random conveys a precisely opposite set of associations. A phenomenon governed by chance yields maximal simplicity, order and predictability–at least in the long run. … Thus, if you wish to understand patterns of long historical sequences, pray for randomness.” Gould [1993: 396f]
The definition of randomness, used to argue against evolution, comes from statistics, not linguistics:
Stochastic is synonymous with “random.” The word is of Greek origin and means “pertaining to chance” (Parzen 1962, p. 7). It is used to indicate that a particular subject is seen from point of view of randomness. Stochastic is often used as counterpart of the word “deterministic,” which means that random phenomena are not involved. Therefore, stochastic models are based on random trials, while deterministic models always produce the same output for a given starting condition.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Stochastic.html
A phenomenon governed by chance yields maximal simplicity,
Than why complex physics and math formulas, and difficult explanations, are needed to make sense of the world, and it’s still only scratching the surface.
Simplicity or complexity? Make your bets, or maybe it’s the simplest possible complexity Gould is talking about.
Randomness is a theoretical concept. If a phenomenon’s probability of occuring is zero, even though randomness applies to it, there will be no pattern, you can repeat the experiment ad infinitum without producing a guaranteed result, while randomness will still be there.
Because the 80/20 rule holds, and probabilities can be assigned to natural phenomena, just as the sun does not rise in the morning randomly, but cyclically, the universe looks orderly- the existence of patterns, and therefore predictability, imply the lack of randomness.
The world has a predeterministic nature, true randomness does not exist in a Newtonian system, and gene mutations don’t happen on the quantum level:
“It’s hard to guarantee that a given classical source is really unpredictable,”
“Something like a coin flip may seem random, but its outcome could be predicted if one could see the exact path of the coin as it tumbles. Quantum randomness, on the other hand, is real randomness. We’re very sure we’re seeing quantum randomness because only a quantum system could produce these statistical correlations between our measurement choices and outcomes.” NIST mathematician Peter Bierhorst said.
Although the article’s title boasts of true randomness, Bierhorst concedes they’re close, but not there yet, after all who can say for sure the hardware they use can’t introduce a currently impossible to identify pattern:
“A perfect coin toss would be uniform, and we made 1,024 bits almost perfectly uniform, each extremely close to equally likely to be 0 or 1,”
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2018/04/nists-new-quantum-method-generates-really-random-numbers
Natural selection is not random. Sure, the mutations are random, but if you don't think mutations are random, then what do you propose causes them?Replies: @ThreeCranes, @polaco
The "random chance" criticism is actually a straw man argument, since evolution does not rely only on random chance. While some elements of evolution are random (most notably mutation), the cornerstone of Charles Darwin's theory is natural selection, which is the opposite of chance. Natural selection is non-random and is one of the primary shaping forces for adaptation in nature. By ignoring natural selection in evolution, creationists are better able to argue that a god or a committee of gods must have intervened - a completely fallacious conclusion. Random chance | Rational Wiki
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Random_chance
The “random chance” criticism is actually a straw man argument, since evolution does not rely only on random chance. While some elements of evolution are random (most notably mutation), the cornerstone of Charles Darwin’s theory is natural selection, which is the opposite of chance. Natural selection is non-random and is one of the primary shaping forces for adaptation in nature. By ignoring natural selection in evolution, creationists are better able to argue that a god or a committee of gods must have intervened – a completely fallacious conclusion.
Random chance | Rational Wiki
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Random_chance• Richard Dawkins: “Darwinism is not a theory of random chance.”
If both, chance (random mutation) and natural selection need to be involved, it is sufficient to show that only one is impossible, to disprove the hypothesis.
What is natural selection anyway, if not a coincidental, random convergence of different environmental factors that put living organisms under life threatening conditions. Natural selection itself must come from chance. And the affected life forms happen to be subjected to its pressures at random as well- the primeval organism probably didn’t have any contingency plans, to stack the odds of survival in its favor under different scenarios.
since evolution does not rely only on random chance.
You need those elusive ‘random mutations’ first, to produce variations in a population, before there can be any natural selection. So it’s randomness that evolution must rely on in the first place.
If some primeval organism ‘0’ had appeared, from which all other life forms had to evolve, there could have been no natural selection- no distinguishing trait it could have favored- as all life forms were identical. And ‘0’ obviously could not have originated in a hostile environment. There had to be no pressure and no threat of death, as it would have neither appeared nor survived in such a case – there was no natural selection in the beginning, it could have come only after a mutation or a sequence of mutations had taken place.
Otherwise, if a sufficiently large number of identical organisms ‘0’ had randomly (how else?) appeared in different places on earth, which had to at least initially be life-forming and sustaining environments, we would’ve still been left with zeros after natural selection had done its job ( the forces of nature pushed these organisms elsewhere where a subset of them was adversely affected and died, some up to that point absent cosmic radiation hit them at home, hot air from a volcano, a lava flow, whatever… ).
No change without mutations.
But if sufficiently large groups of different organisms appeared spontaneously/randomly in different places on earth, that in itself implies they had to posses different distinguishing features before natural selection could have acted on them. Chance comes into play before natural selection again.
And if there were different primeval organisms ‘1’, ‘5’, and ‘6’, appearing independently, at different times, all over the earth, separated from organism ‘0’ by 1, 5, or 6 genetic mutations for example, this, naturally, could have never been thanks to natural selection.
But all of this makes sense only if we assume the universe is governed by chance.
natural selection, which is the opposite of chance. Natural selection is non-random
The way I see it nothing is random, there is an inherent order/determinism in the way the universe works. If you had all the data in the universe, and put it on a computer, everything would be predictable as related to the physical world, the only randomness I can think of is in the human mind/soul.
By ignoring natural selection in evolution, creationists are better able to argue that a god or a committee of gods must have intervened – a completely fallacious conclusion.
Straw man argument. Creationists point out how change can only come as a result of those dreaded, improbable, random mutations.
Natural selection – which is just survival of the fittest- by itself does not produce change in an organism, change had had to occur before natural selection could have taken its course. Nobody has ever denied natural selection, even without knowing about all the species humans put out of existence
He’s an individual, from a time when Christianity was still flourishing around the world. Rosie noted the concentrated, collective propaganda efforts implemented by the communists in academia and in the government bureaucracy after WW2. Aside from that, the entire Eastern Block witnessed the same on a much higher level, with physical attacks and persecutions against Christian leaders.
I might add that the Catholic Church wasted vast genetic potential by directing many of the capable boys within its grasp into becoming celibate priests and monks, not to mention all the ovaries it wasted by sending girls into convents. Perhaps the early Protestant and Reformed Churches got the traction they did because they put a stop to this nonsense and encouraged the capable men in the clergy to marry and form families, following Martin Luther's example of marrying a former nun named Katharina von Bora. They didn't merely fight the war of the cradle more effectively; they fought it by deploying more of the genes of their better quality men that the Catholic Church would just let go to waste.Replies: @Rosie, @Budd Dwyer, @polaco
and why would the materialist breed less than the religious… does that not indicate a dysgenic trend lol
In those days, when the Catholic Church was still a relevant societal force, fertility rates were high so even if you ended up with no offspring, your siblings probably did, so the family line continued, it’s better to have five married kids, a priest and a nun, than one or two, who may or may not give you grandkids, as is the case currently. Da Vinci and Tesla had no kids, I don’t know about other inventors, and while you can leave the raising of the family to your wife, no family means more time to work on your projects, but they’re good to have when you get old.
Normiecons won’t like this, but generous parental leave & child support appear to be far better than banning abortion & social conservatism so far as promoting higher fertility and disincentivizing dysgenic reproduction patterns goes in First World countries.
Just saw the article on lewrockwell, banning abortion and granting benefits are not mutually exclusive. Poland’s Law and Justice party government has now been giving direct monetary benefits at 500 PLN a month per child to families, leave and other benefits exist as in any social democratic/socialist country. What people need is actually to have confidence in the future, a strong economy and a strong job market, when the outlook isn’t too rosy you just delay starting a family, nevertheless Poland’s married couples are on average the youngest in the EU, and we’re no Arabs, Turks or what have you like France, Sweden or Germany- https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-nations-of-europe-by-the-average-age-at-first-marriage.html;
Another way to spur population growth is the total absence of any benefits- when all you have to fall back on in old age is children and family you always have it in your mind and give it the deserved priority- and real free market capitalism to strengthen the economy, low taxes- as things stand now- income tax, petrol at $5 a gallon, tax accounts for two thirds of the cost of electricity and natural gas, a 24% value added tax, import taxes and duties, there is talk of introducing a real estate tax, land tax has existed even under communism, all the layers of taxes apply and affect everyone, from producers to suppliers, retailers, consumers, it’s a huge burden which exponentially increases the cost of living, but yes- there is free medical care and education if you’re too dumb to see, no real growth just chugging along; there were no socialist programmes and benefits during the Belle Epoque, yet Europe’s population was growing and Europe was as first world as could be. The total taxes per capita between 1870 and 1914 were about 12% in Europe and 9% in the US. Advances in technology, robotics and all that, have allowed governments to progressively steal more and more while the increasing productivity helped to obfuscate the disastrous consequences, initially the effects of such policy were hidden, but only until a time, the chickens are coming home to roost, the economies of Europe are dead.
Poland is very holy – but it doesn’t seem to do it much good.
Being holy will do you much good when you die. Anyway, this statement is absurd, taken together conservatives (Law and Justice, Confederation Liberty and Independence) got about 50% of the vote this parliamentary election, there has never ben a landslide like in Hungary. Communists who wanted to bring refugees in, spread homosexual and gender propaganda, who kiss Putins’s ass and the UE leaders’ boots have always gotten at least about 40-45%, every election, if they didn’t manage to win, one atheistic Russian agent, an open enemy of the Catholic Church- Aleksander Kwasniewski was president for 10 years, Russian propaganda has been inciting hatred towards the Church since the beginning of communism and it worked great (see that priest over there- he has a car and you schmuck must take the bus to work and similar nonsense- a car or a bathroom were luxuries in those days) all that in a supposedly “holy” country. Btw, the Russian minority (Bela-, Malorus, you name it) always votes close to 100% communist- for faggots and abortion, so long as it hurts Poland, just like they went all in for Bolshevism when it sounded really nice to steal from those who were better off, and now want to whitewash their guilt.
It was First World for some. For the poor it was Third World. It was the libertarian utopia - rich people paying very little tax and doing just great, poor people living in misery and squalor.
there were no socialist programmes and benefits during the Belle Epoque, yet Europe’s population was growing and Europe was as first world as could be.
We’ve never fallen for your yiddish(it) lies, you had to use the russkies to take over and destroy our country.
I mean, Spam, delicious?Replies: @Dumbo, @S, @polaco
At the age of 6, as you can see, I realized perfectly well that the United States is not my enemy. You have to be an exceptionally dumb child at the age of 6 to believe that such delicious food as Spam meat was supplied to us by the enemy. When Soviet propaganda tried to convince me that United States [was] just about to invade us, believe me, kids in my school and thousands of other schools were counting the days and minutes: When is Gen. Patton to invade our country?! We wanted to be invaded. We wanted to own blue jeans, jazz records with Glenn Miller music, more chocolate bars, more condensed milk, more Spam meat. We did not want Uncle Joe. Yet your presidents, multinationals, and religious groups imposed Uncle Joe on us to continue the slavery in my country. With your silent consent.
This tells you how bad Russian food tasted to a kid at the time. The spam which fed, and the Studabaker lorries that transported the thieving soviet troops, won the war- as many old timers in Poland would say.
The KGB decided whom their rank and file officers could marry, top brass probably too, except maybe the most senior officers (they probably could snatch a girl off of the street) but I suspect your friends could sometimes turn the blind eye if your love interest wasn’t suspect in her patriotism and political loyalty.
In Imperial Russia, the estate manager would tell a peasant who his bride would be.
Hilarious and utter bullshit.Replies: @polaco, @anonymous, @anonymous
In Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), whites fought until they were defeated militarily by 14 year old soldiers under the leadership of Robert Mugabe.
Russians spent decades kicking Whites out of Africa, using geopolitical and military strategies, with the help and approval of the American and European left, it’s amazing a troll would try talking about some teenagers doing it by themselves. When Rhodesians raided a rebel camp in Zambia they captured Russian and East German military commanders- if memory serves- during the famous Green Leader operation, but I’m not sure it was that one.
Hani, the SA communist shot by Janusz Walus was also a Russian agent, what’s sad is a white woman snitched on, and turned Walus in to the authorities. Nkrumah was a Russian agent, when Ghana was the first black African country to gain “independence”. Communist propaganda went into a frenzy during the Congo crisis, with blaring headlines about Tshombe’s henchmen murdering Lumumba.
Rafal Gan-Ganowicz was a Polish (of Tatar descent) mercenary in Bukavu, in his book he described how blacks would make holes in the ceilings of captured houses, for fire-smoke to escape. There is a scene in Africa Addio, showing exactly that, but in Kenya, where the Whites were kicked out of their estates in the prized White Highlands, though away from the capital white farms have survived to this day. But his conclusion was the Negros did not know what they were doing, for they’ve never seen household equipment before, (though it doesn’t take much intelligence to figure out what a chimney is for, they had to see smoke rising out of it when Whitey still lived there) and when compared to the Russian army that “liberated” Poland, with soldiers stealing and vandalizing in Warsaw while knowing full well what furniture and the mirrors they enjoyed shooting at were for. He considered Russians the real savages:
It’s saddening when Whites don’t learn anything from history that’s been playing out right before their eyes. It just doesn’t sink in that it will come down to that and they will be next:
Armed civilians:
Mugabe’s men:
The plight of South Africans:
Likewise, thanks for yours. The International Communist Network of interests is alive and kicking, especially hard in the US and the EU now; UN sanctions were put on Rhodesia’s “white-supremacist regime” and then on SA. It’s disheartening to watch Whites undermine themselves, funny how Trump has to actually fight for white votes, while running against the openly anti white Democrats. The average voter is really quite stupid and doesn’t care.
The Białystok mayor is from the Civic Platform (PO), the party that bends over backwards for the EU and Russia. The city has always been more towards the left than the rest of the region, which itself has not been one where Law and Justice could score a guaranteed victory.
Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz, the son of a communist military counterintelligence officer, (who at 22 worked for the Soviets when WWII broke out, collecting/extorting agricultural produce from Polish farmers, and who liked to talk to subordinates gun in hand, and even killed one accidentally that way) was always a favourite there.
The Russians in Hajnówka always support whoever is at heart closest to their country, so the former communists that formed the puppet government come naturally, and who cares about their anti Christian ideology when they’re enemies of Poland. They’re anti Polish first, and Lawpraisers (as the Orthodox are called in Poland) second. I’ve no idea how russified the Poles in Belarus are, but heard a retired female physician from the Grodno region talk quite dismissively about Belarussians, whom she said possessed too many soviet/collective farm character traits- those Belarussians, she saw herself as distinct.
In the Lubelsie voivodeship, the majority Russian (Ukrainian if you will) districts have similarly voted like a block against Law and Justice, and more for the former communists than the Civic Platform (PO), and stand out like islands on the electoral map.
Kościół Prawosławny (The Orthodox Church) sounds exactly like that, law glorifying, especially since the noun ‘law’ is in the nominative case. They don’t worship in our language, or latin- which was used universally throughout the world if you want to bring that up- in church.
The Russian Empire would exile Poles to Siberia, confiscate their land holdings, including in the Białystok region, and bring Russian settlers in. An Orthodox priest, a friend of a friend, complained to me and him how bad it is that Poland had removed monuments to the Red Army, and other Soviet era relics, while other countries of the old block don’t do that. It was a priest screaming bloody murder in defence of the Soviet Union. So I’m suspicious, though I’d never expected any better from him.
There are Poles in Ukraine and Belarus up to a million in each, unofficially, compared to the 200k of the Rus in Poland. Lukashenko sent reinforcements to Grodno because of the Poles, he does not confuse citizenship with nationality. It’s human nature to get along on the personal level, politics and national interests is where it stops. They vote communist undermining me, if they want to be left alone by ‘outsiders’ they’d better leave our politics alone, or leave for Russia altogether. In my view minorities should be second if not third class citizens.
Strange that the main language of the Church of the Roman Empire was Greek..... Strange that the New Testament was originally written in Greek, strange that almost all the fathers of the Church wrote and spoke in Greek, even stranger that there were many apostles who did speak in Greek, it was probably the main language of the Apostle Paul himself. Sad that they were so silly and didnt use the "universal language of the church."
They don’t worship in our language, or latin- which was used universally throughout the world if you want to bring that up- in church.
But of course it is - Russia of today is led by one of its previous ruling class. Not by a newcomer to the scene, or by a dissident who fought the previous regime - no; Putin was one of THEM, and is on the record saying that the fall of Soviet Union was the greatest of tragedies. He spent his time in power trying to restore Russia to its previous glory (such as it was)... Which brings me to my second point, actually more relevant for us outside of Russia: Russian foreign policy is indistinguishable from that of Soviet Union. Their goals are the same, they support the same actors and they use the same tricks. Other than the flag, nothing of any substance has changed.Finally while you might be right that views and attitudes in Poland are strongly affected by their history, remember that the same is true for Russians. They can't escape their past any more than the Poles could.Replies: @polaco
Russia today is not the Soviet Union of yesteryear.
All true, got to be stupid to think the soviet deep state and bureaucracy just went away quietly into the night. They’re all soviet hardliners at the helm, behind the curtain. The soviet game plan has been to make satellite countries rely on them for energy completely so they could tell them what to do, they even managed to corner the uranium market and enrichment capability globally, the Uranium One scandal is but one example; while the current Polish government has been actively working to diversify our supplies and we have coal reserves to cover our energy needs for over 600 years, by then, surely, new technologies will emerge, so when the green bullcrap fails at last, we’ll be OK. We’re not in such dire straits as the west is in thanks to that foresight. Our former prime minister, Tusk was Angela’s errand boy, while she was Putin’s shoeshine girl. Tusk greatly reduced the size of our military and wanted to do away with it completely.
The soviets have never gotten over the loss of their influence in Poland, this goes back to 1772 and even earlier when Poland’s Saxon kings were essentially their vassals.
The soviet/Russian minority here always gives over 90% of their support to communists in elections, that’s the hallmark of homo sovieticus. That’s par for the course, during the Polish election of 1928, ten years after the Bolsheviks, just 7 years after the Polish-Russian war of 1921, 44% of the Orthodox in Poland voted communist, compared to just 12% of Greek/Ukrainian Catholics (God’s Grace comes down onto people through the Catholic Church), 7% of Jews, and 4% of Polish Catholics. Even as late as 1947, Polish partisans had to burn down Russian Orthodox villages as retaliation for their informant and other hostile, pro-soviet actions, for their support of the soviet government, its agencies and military. Russian/Soviet propaganda of today loves, and never misses a chance to defame “evil Polish bandits from the Home Army” for killing “innocent” [Bela]Russian peasants, and other soviets. The soviet common people love Stalin for defeating the evil fascists, and for shifting the economy from agricultural to industrial, their nationalism revolves around that wonderful, beloved leader.
One Polish freedom fighter, Łupaszka, and his small group- being pursued by Germans- were given shelter by a Russian woman who hid them in her house. I forgot the year, but she had warned them to avoid the Soviet army when they were leaving, as “yours and ours have now begun a quarrel, sir”, up to that moment they had assumed they didn’t have to worry about the Russians, just another example of an Orthodox peasant woman who considered the Soviet Army her people, this unwitting tendency to support evil.
You’re responding to your own assumptions, the peak of stupidity. There is plenty of old time nomenklatura types still holding sway, but a 25 year old apparatchik in 1991 is 56 today, they miss the days of the treasonous “Polish” prime minister Tusk, and his servility, almost like the good old days of communism. Nepotism is rampant and soviet officials’ children and grandchildren hold important government jobs.
The soviets now say they want to take Alaska- I don’t think a Czechoslovak would care about that, if you stay true to your name you’ll just pack up and leave, and remain a newcomer forever, someplace other than America- and threaten Warsaw with nukes unless we get in line, Putin, a fine soviet man and an admirer of Stalin just said Poland is a weed of Europe, though the hardliners behind him aren’t so gently spoken. Mao said Siberia all the way to Kamchatka is theirs, so while they’re friends now, and they don’t even trust each other, the Chinese will become their enemies when the west has self destructed with old, tired communism, especially in this new “green” disguise.
I saw in a youtube video, a mercenary recounting his Rhodesian Bush War time. They’d stumbled upon a farmhouse where they found white children, two or three – toddlers?- though at least one infant, dead with their limbs cut off and bloody trails from crawling in agony, all over their bedroom floor.
Astonishing how “brutal” this natural selection is, kills the strongest brains and bodies, and leaves the weak. Like a calculating invader. Thank God it spared us this unpleasant treatment while hacking at the mighty cro-magnon for “hundreds of thousands of years”. Must have been our strength in numbers; was the one they have the very last one standing to have survived this ordeal? One would think after all of that, and this whole fine tuning, it should have survived anything life could throw at it.
As one of the decayed, I for one, laugh that kill by numbers is not a game natural selection will play. Life wasn’t all that comfortable for the majority of people even 100 years ago, and especially not merely 500 years into the past. Were the cro-magnon looking for the strongest, and biggest women to mate with, attractive or not? Killing their competition and taking the cutest ladies for themselves?
How is having sympathy for criminals idealistic? If he was so stupid to think it must have been the ‘system’s fault’ he deserved to die alright. Hardly any socialist youth changed his thinking in his lifetime. Good riddance. I hope there were many blacks at their cracker activist friend’s vigil.
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TVP1 (TVP Jeden, Program I Telewizji Polskiej, "Jedynka") is the main public television channel of TVP (Telewizja Polska S.A.), Poland's national television broadcaster. It was the first Polish channel to be broadcast and remains one of the most popular today. TVP1 was launched 25 October 1952.
Who’s this weather woman? A Russian face like that is unmistakable at 200 yards. Funny, and part of the same narrative where the soviets are telling their soldiers they’re actually fighting against Poland and her regular army units in Ukraine, and that there is a universal draft in our country. A NATO country openly fighting them and they’re not frantically calling for a UN security council meeting to demand explanations- soviet citizens seem to swallow everything line hook and sinker, with no second thoughts.
I don’t mind reclaiming those lost territories, but Russia must first take all those Rusyns (aka Ukrainians), who hate us passionately back.
But Andrei seems a genius suggesting Poland is about to retake Galicia (is he some russian jew, what’s that last name? This cheap-sensationalist, kitschy, jew-like writing style ); Russia has been putting out this propaganda for at least a year now.
Who are these triple morons taking him seriously, some idiot suggested Duda’s grandfather was an UPA fighter- another soviet lie out of Muscovy.
As to Chopin, there was no Poland to return to, just a hostile foreign government in Warsaw.
http://www.renegadetribune.com/polish-poland-chopin-nationalism/
He is a great saint. He showed respect, and didn’t want to display open hostility. He kissed the dirt everywhere his plane landed. Russians always generously give everybody reasons to fight them; at least you don’t differentiate between Russians and Soviets, unlike your state propaganda, always proud of Russia for defeating the evil fascists, and Russia can do no wrong, it’s the Soviet Union to blame for the millions of victims.
Tsar Nicolas, an alleged saint, as proclaimed by the KGB Tserkov, hosted and entertained the most prominent European occult leaders at his court, ceding his authority over the Rus to evil. He associated with satanic charlatans like Rasputin, gave him access to the tsarevitch whom he had caused to fall ill, and later cured (a classic demonic schtick). As Russia had no rule of law (Drzymała would have never been able to pull off what he did to defy the Prussians, where law was applied equally, where Poles couldn’t use their language at school but neither could anybody else), the tsar was the law, he ruled by decree like some god, he had the pops put his icons in every tserkov, where Russians had to gruelingly pray as if to the tsar himself (since he was the law, they were praising the law, which is funny since Russian Orthodoxy- “prawosławie” in Polish, while meant to mean rightly, rightfully, lawfully- essentially ‘correctly praising/glorifying’, actually sounds like law-praising in our tongue) and for each member of the royal family, often for more than 6 hours. My family had to travel to ‘Austria’- the Austrian partition, to have a Catholic wedding because Nicolas II had our churches closed down, the law-praising Tsar fought the Lord. To paraphrase Buddy Holly and the Crickets- I fought the Lord and the Lord won. He perished.
But ancient history aside, as applies to most, nobody likes Russia just the same as any other backward, primitive, shithole country.
Those foreign governments occupying Poland were hostile. So why stay there. It’s prudent to leave, and preserve your life and culture. Jews existed without a country for a lot longer. The Polish nation continued to exist, with Chopin and many others at home and abroad. Russia has fully supported the self destruction of the west for nearly a century, they have contempt for us, but are happy about it. Not that long ago we had a subservient government of Donald Tusk, who would bow deep for Angela and her master Vladimir, he wanted to bring in millions of ‘Syrians’, promoted every kind of psychological aberration of the sexual nature, and wanted to introduce the failed currency of the EU. Putin cheered him on all along.
Had whiteys been voting consistently, like a bloc, for decades, instead of RINOS, the parliamentary spectrum would range from segregationists, ultra nationalists and hardcore libertarians on the right to moderate conservatives as the extreme left. But no other race is as stupid; if they can Arabs support Arabs, blacks support blacks, Jews are for other Jews, the Yellow support their own, if not, at least they’ll get to vote against whitey, just like he himself oftentimes.
As to Jews, it’s about 78% likely to be flagged, then the categories above them are just the sacred cows du jour they had decided to use against the host civilization and its culture. Anti-jew speak, therefore, still takes the real first place.
If freedom loving people actually had it their way, all black and other felons would have been gone and dead long ago. And no social housing retards on the jury to judge anybody, but well respected, intelligent, accomplished men of high status, property owners- if it ever came to that. Common criminals would be dealt with by the townsfolk, ideally, during the act, and wouldn’t even live long enough to regret it. There is footage where about 5 patrons simultaneously return fire at a gas station robber- the sunshine state as I recall. Segregation and discrimination would be legal, black felons would risk getting shot and killed for coming to my community of like minded people, and so would drug dealers, that’s the essence of freedom.
Communist gaslighters always argue against freedom by suggesting that just one small thing is gonna change while everything else will stay just as it was under the socialist order. Not so, there would be exponential improvement across the board if freedom was given a chance- efficiency, merit, justice, and so on. There would be problems, but nothing of the sort the reality of today has, where I’m constantly told other peoples’ problems are mine.