RSSWhat will it take before the obvious solution of racial separate development with Black autonomy is turned to ?
We have no more of an effective plan of how to handle a huge ineducable Black Underclass today than we did in the heyday of Government action to integrate them into the larger U.S. society. Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965, Open Housing Act of 1968, 50 years of “Affirmative Action”, have all failed to “bring on board” an enormous “indigestible” sub-group who, through nature or an impenetrable culture, appear to be utterly unwilling or unable ( or both ) to assimilate into a society that the rest of the world finds so desirable that immigrants flock to seize the opportunities this Underclass scorns. I freely admit to bafflement as to a solution.
This is an example of the Evils of Oligarchy. Americans are probably the least envious people on the planet; very few of us begrudge the Super Rich their Gazillions even if suspecting the Rocky Mountains of lucre are more the result of a rigged game than genuine productive contribution. No- it’s much more this creeping Neo-Feudalism Thing:the evident ability to make both major Political Parties wholly owned subsidiaries and turn all media outlets into shills. Thank God for the Internet.
I find it ( pleasantly ) astounding that Blacks and Hispanics make up 14% of the incoming freshman class- do they graduate ?
1. We are talking of undergraduate enrollment of american citizens here, so why are you bringing up graduate students and international students?
disingenuous to compare Caltech’s demographics to the U.S. population only. It’s the California Institute of Technology, so a little better to compare it to 14% Asian California than 5% Asian U.S. Also, 9% of its undergrad students and 41% of its graduate program are international,
Again the dishonesty. Foreign students don't count. These are american hispanics. It is also very silly and dishonest of you to claim that the students in those pictures, some of whom could be international students, look whiter than the mostly scandinavian whites of Minneapolis.Replies: @Oldeguy
almost all of the Hispanics there are white. Lots from South America and Spain.
I noticed that you did not answer my question concerning NAM graduation- no reason that you should really- it’s up to me to do the research and I tried. At Forbes I was able to get a breakdown of the NAM for their most recent academic year: total 12% ( not 14% ) and broken down as Hispanic 10% , Black 2%. Didn’t much surprise me, I’ve always been more sanguine regarding the future prospects of our Hispanic as opposed to Black populations. Anyone having any extensive contact with the “Hispanic” population is aware of the enormous racial and cultural diversity WITHIN that group.
Fred’s Police experience was in DC: finding ” that the perps are almost always Black” was almost certainly a simple statement of fact. Oftentimes in American history, the first American born generation of immigrant’s children will show disproportionate criminal activity: first Irish, then German, Eastern European Jewish, Italian, Czechoslovak, you name it-then it subsides. That’s what makes me more hopeful concerning our current flood of “Hispanic” immigration. It’s a mixed bag but so was everybody else. The sad history of the native born Blacks is unique and disheartening. The persistence in maladaptive behavior spans centuries and appears impervious to societal efforts at remedy. I have read jail statistics from mid 18th Century Mass. that have incarceration rates similar to those shown by Mr. Smith. To deny the unique problem of Black maladaption isn’t being fair minded, it’s being willfully blind. HBD is either true or false- how flattering or not it may be to any given group should not enter the discussion.
Hispanics are not brand new immigrants to the US. Many have been here a long, long time. 2nd generation Hispanics are more crime prone than are first generation. 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Hispanics do not assimilate to white norms of behavior. They just keep dropping out of high school, mowing lawns, and engaging in petty crime.
Oftentimes in American history, the first American born generation of immigrant’s children will show disproportionate criminal activity: first Irish, then German, Eastern European Jewish, Italian, Czechoslovak, you name it-then it subsides. That’s what makes me more hopeful concerning our current flood of “Hispanic” immigration.
You are dishonest in every one of your posts, which convinces me that you are a troll and a dumb one at that. For anyone can check to see that you are lying again. I provided the official link to Caltech in that post which gives the composition of the freshman class for the year 2013-2014.
Bliss, in comment #11 you’re claiming that your link leads to the 2014-2015 freshman class, but that’s actually the entire undergraduate enrollment.
I used the latest ( 2013-2014 academic year ) Forbes figures, not the 2012 figures.
Didn’t mean to imply that it did; my point ( fuzzily made, I’ll admit ) was that the persistence of a broad range of behaviors and attitudes virtually guaranteed to ensure failure in the most success friendly society in the history of Mankind would suggest “something else” going on. HBD strikes me as the most likely, and in a very real sense the least pejorative, explanation.
Spot on; very well put. This, I suspect, is the real reason for the persistence of “all men are created equal” and “they can just lift themselves up by their own bootstraps like everyone else did” rhetoric in the face of 150 years Post Emancipation experience which would indicate that it simply isn’t so. The alternative is a strong White Paternalism that would involve costly, burdensome, direct involvement in ensuring that the right choices are implemented in what would be frankly recognized as at least a long term and quite possibly permanently dependent population. The entire National Narrative in this area would have to change. This is, to put it mildly, extremely unlikely barring some catastrophic upheaval.
Most did but Dutch Schultz found terrorizing NYC more fun. Try Wikipedia.
Oh, please. Seriously? How much longer do whites have the "moral responsibility" to await the coming of the Civilized Black? Do you really believe that whites have a "moral responsibility" to employ the incompetent, attempt to educate the uneducable, provide free healthcare and subsistence to the shiftless and irresponsible, and to look aside as Black crime devastates cities, neighborhoods, prisons and law-enforcement?
The greatest share of blame must go to whites, who have abdicated their moral responsibility to care for their black wards. (Asians could also do it, but they are new to our shores so it’s really not their job unless they choose to accept it.)
“from whom much has been given, much shall be required”. Put that in your Randian pipe and smoke it.
I am far from being an “HBD theorist”- Hell I only found recently what the initials meant. I’m still trying to get my aging brain around what they are saying and the evidence for it before senility closes the door. I certainly don’t believe, nor do those who I am reading claim, that EVERYTHING is genetically determined but it would appear that a LOT is genetically influenced. I suspect that functioning optimally in a European Culture society is simply more difficult and less fulfilling for American Blacks and thus the persistence of grossly maladaptive attitudes and behaviors. Western ideology exults rationality and free will as virtually sitting alone in the driver’s seat; my admittedly limited knowledge of modern Neuroscience would suggest otherwise. And where , in God’s Name, did that “inhuman” stuff come from? Next, you’ll be taking a brave stand against broiling babies.
A Thousand Thanks, Mr Unz. This article was an education in itself. Not for the first time you have caused me to let go of some of my old ideas. Bravo !
You are entirely correct. My Bad. I should have restricted my examples to Chicago contributors to America’s Rich Cultural Mosaic. Outstanding among them were the Gusenberg brothers Peter and Frank, valued members of “Bugs” Moran’s North Side Gang beverage distributorship. Peter gained lasting fame for participation in the Tommy Gun assault on Alphonse Capone’s beverage distributorship headquarters in Cicero Ill. in Sept. 1926. Peter emptied the entire drum of bullets into the establishment without hitting any of Mr. Capone’s business partners. Mr. Capone’s response to this hostile takeover bid the following St. Valentine’s Day was more successful: both brothers were killed. A fellow North Side business partner, Hymie Weiss, despite his nickname was a good Catholic boy who carried a rosary every day of his ( shortened ) life. Hope this has been helpful.
See comment # 39 above.
See comment # 39 above.
“This is the case with private crimes that we refer to as “corruption”.’ Would this also refer to such activities as cheating on tests, false credentials and resumes ? I have read accusations of that type of activity and have tended to dismiss them as “sour grapes”.
Superb article Dr. Gottfried; thank you very much. The Great War’s legacy is still with us in so many ways and the deep wounds that inflicted on Western Civilization have yet to heal. Although I did not find Ms. MacMillan’s book “tedious” ( she is a far more engaging writer than Barbara Tuchman who was making the same points 50 years ago ) , I fully concur that the insistence on German responsibility for the War is very much out of date. The Kaiser was a neurotic buffoon not a proto-Hitler. I would also agree that Dr. Clark’s The Sleepwalkers is the best of the crop of the new popular studies: the state sponsored Terrorism of Serbia presented the Old Order with a challenge that it lacked the institutions to deal with effectively.
WOW ! Did you even bother to carefully read my post ? I doubt it because I wasn’t making any statement at ALL or making ANY “assumptions” at all. I was merely asking Mr. Frost his ( not your ) opinion concerning some allegations ( which I believed to be false ) which I had read. I gather from the fractured syntax of your post that English is probably not your primary language. I would suggest that for YOUR benefit you might have someone better grounded in the English language read what you mistakenly believe to be an insulting comment before resorting to the flame thrower.
I’ve never quite “bought” the picture of Wilson as a hopelessly idealistic Utopian tricked by those Evil Europeans. The resignation of William Jennings Bryan over the Lusitania note and other un-neutral actions by Wilson ( e.g. the enormously important decision to allow Wall Street to extend unlimited credit to Great Britain ) tell a different story. Until 1917 Great Britain’s interests were better served by a technically neutral U.S.A. industry running full blast to supply the Allied war effort and delivered safely by U.S. flag ships that Germany had agreed not to attack. It was only when the Russian Steam Roller had obviously permanently stalled, hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers simply walking away from the trenches and the remainder on the verge of mutiny, did it seem that British interest’s would be better served by direct U.S. intervention. Wilson’s brutal crushing of anti-war dissent is one of the most disgraceful pages in our history.
As usual , first rate column from Fred; he missed his vocation- he would have made a marvelous teacher. His cardiology and Biochem translations were better than anything I received in my training. His comments regarding ( at least some ) commentators are sadly true: too much emoting – too little analytic thought. Why anyone should care to listen to the self pitying whining of my generation who are leaving a Country quite possibly screwed up beyond redemption is a mystery.
I will say this for the Ron Unz Review: it is well written, honest, non agenda driven, non PC thought provoking material. I have had to reassess some long held opinions in view of what I have read here and that is a sure sign that I am not wasting my time seeking conformation of my pre existing prejudices- I seek to replace them with new ones ! Thanks.
Beatsahellouta Takimag, doesn't it? Too bad the comment system is defective, although that factor does keep the comment count in low double-digits, discouraging, as it does, strident arguments between strident individuals.
I will say this for the Ron Unz Review: it is well written, honest, non agenda driven, non PC thought provoking material. I have had to reassess some long held opinions in view of what I have read here and that is a sure sign that I am not wasting my time seeking conformation of my pre existing prejudices
I don’t think that Mr. Frost is trying to promote any form of Christianity, as such, at all. I found it very helpful to read the links provided, particularly “Clark2009b” in order to understand where Mr. Frost is coming from. As I understand him, he is definitely NOT positing an inborn universal moral code throughout all of Mankind but rather a set of traits and inclinations which are the product of an increased rate of Evolution beginning with the Agricultural Revolution ( see Cochran and Hapending’s The 10,000 Year Explosion and Clark’s A Farewell to Alms ). Human Nature is not static- the Nature of some Human Groups has changed.
If I understand your question, I believe the issue is addressed in one of the links provided ( Clark2009b ) and in Mr. Frosts prior response. Empathy tends to discourage individual violence and the Church and State in Europe united about 1,000 years ago in a prolonged effort to inhibit personal violence via generous use of capital punishment. Anything that inhibited acting out in a violent manner ( such as empathy ) would increase the chances of handing down the trait in one’s genes to the descendant’s one was therefore allowed to reproduce as opposed to the empathy lacking hot heads who were hanged. Did I miss something ( always a possibility ) ?
Must confess to a bit of confusion here :
1) Are you saying IQ testing is worthless ?
2) Are you saying apparent differences in intelligence are due to lack of application ( “not paying f*cking attention” ) ? On more than one occasion, I have attempted giving explanations to Dim Bulbs who were making every outward effort to follow but without success.
3) Reader joey/joe/joe’s self description fit me like a glove and, in thinking back describes all my close friends. Did it ring a bell for you ?
4) Have you read the Bell Curve, and if so, what is your response ?
5) Is it really necessary, or just fun, to snarl at other commentators ?:-)
Sarcasm noted. So, since you are such a hard core race realist how do you explain the extremely high murder rates in middle ages Europe/Christendom or early 19th century USA?
If history doesn’t explain it, what does? Why, culture!
You might consult Gregory Clark’s “A Farewell to Alms”.
Typical Fred: brutally honest, unbiased, zippo hypocrisy, zippo PC. How the U.S. “handles” the massive Latino ( and Asian ) influx will determine how American society develops in the 21st Century. As is so often the case, it is a question of Private Sector profit driving the growth and persistence of a situation with the “externality” cost being shifted to the larger society. It is quite probably true that the Latinos are here because we need them to be here: a host of American industries and business firms are utterly dependent on their unskilled or semi-skilled labor. Is anyone really so naive as to believe that our White and Black Under Class would rush in to replace “self deporting” Latinos ? The question of whether these tens of millions of newcomers will follow the path of the Irish and Italians or follow the path of the Blacks is the key question of 21st Century America.
What's with the Takimag pop culture crowd coming over hyar and polluting the pure gene pool of race realism on unz.com? Even good-natured, shallow-analysis "Bob" has shown up. Or, am I such an icon that y'all followed me here? (That's a joke, Guy.)
Typical Fred: brutally honest, unbiased, zippo hypocrisy, zippo PC. How the U.S. “handles” the massive Latino ( and Asian ) influx will determine how American society develops in the 21st Century.
The swarm of new “threats” arising on the Neocon’s radar has become too rapidly shifting for me to follow, so I have quit trying. They are all “serious dangers to the West”- a remarkable accomplishment on their part in view of the fact all of them lack a Navy or Air Force. The Imperial over reach has gone beyond parody.
“School prestige is more important than grades and test scores in hiring for top entry level jobs. ” OK, then what exactly is the source of the prestige ? The Pinker article knocked me over. I had envisioned the Ivies as being the concentration of the most brilliant and most dedicated undergrads in America. To learn that the American Elite recruit the type of graduates who spend four hours a day at “crew” and consider that the most fulfilling part of their educational experience might go a long way toward explaining the drift the Nation seems to be experiencing. The Pinker article deserves a lot more circulation and discussion than it has thus far received.
By the way, does Harvard, and the other Ivies, use the same “holistic” approach to admission and work expectation of their Graduate Schools ? Do they weigh the applicants based on the “prestige” of the applicants undergrad program or a demonstrated ability to do first class work ?
On a scale of 1 to 10, a 12 point column. Thank you Fred. Mine was the Class of 1963. Leaving out the hunting ( big city urban ), the rest could have just as easily been mine. We were propagandized about the consequences of “losing” Vietnam. Nobody warned us about the consequences of losing that magnificent America that we grew up in.
The key sentence in this very distressing article is: “They ( the White kid’s parents ) complained about the harassment ( of the 14 year old kid sister ) but nothing was done.” For reasons not entirely clear ( genetics may quite possibly play a role ) there is a sub sector of the population that seems to lack the “internal controls” that make modern peaceful civilized life possible and respond only to externally imposed restraint. The American Black population appears to contain a higher proportion of this sub sector than the White population. Both the situation described in the article and the fraternity party described by DPG above, outline what ensues when this very basic Fact Of Life is willfully ignored. The flurry of dueling lawsuits in the California case would be unnecessary if the school administration had been even minimally competent in providing a safe learning environment instead of protecting their probably grossly overpaid careers by ducking a “touchy” situation.
Can’t get this story out of my mind. If it were a student bar and the thug pushed his way into a line, I would simply shrug, say par for the course and move on, but this was an inter fraternity event. I hope that there would be more to the story: what, if anything, did his Brothers have to say ?
Excellent points well made. The administrative overhead involved in our social support systems is enormous, leading to the common misunderstanding of how much money actually finds its way to the poor as opposed to the providers of “services” to the poor.
Mr. Map, you have bought into a popular conscience easing and resentment provoking canard. That family sees nothing approaching $65,000 per annum in cash. The providers of “services” paid for by the government divvy the great bulk of it up; the family never sees it. Take Medicaid for example; the provider, not the family sees the cash. Because I have reached that stage in life where I am beginning to fall apart, I had two surgeries last year and by your reckoning, had a really prosperous year indeed-all those M.D., Surgeon, Medication and Hospital bills should have shot me into my highest ever tax bracket. Perhaps I could make millionaire status if I could manage to survive a head on collision at high speed.
As the Kids would say, this truly appalling story “creeps me out”. The real victim is, of course, this heartrendingly unfortunate little girl who, through absolutely no fault of her own, is born unwanted into an “alternate lifestyle choice” home. Shame on all the adults concerned here.
Those “minor developmental leagues” would be of tremendous benefit in ending the farce of illiterate thugs being wildly cheered on at stadiums packed with educated White alumni because the thugs are “representing” their University. Can’t happen soon enough.
“the one indispensable nation in world affairs”- calls to mind Charles deGaulle’s comment as to how the cemeteries were filled with indispensable men.
“they tend to believe that they are more culturally similar to African Americans than they are to White Americans”- I can see where this might not produce derision in the Ivory Tower of Academia, but is it promoted elsewhere ?
If any ethnic group of students in STEM areas is engaging in broad and ongoing cheating :
1) they cannot be gaining a thorough understanding of the material
2) they will be unable to “fake it” for any prolonged period of time in their STEM field
3) therefore the question of whether pervasive cheating is a major issue can be answered by the reputation for competence or the lack thereof in their peer groups. What say you ?
In the social sciences, this is what is known as a "mismatch." You can't fake knowledge of, and competence in, fields like electrical engineering or medicine for any length of time. It's not impossible, but highly unlikely and extraordinarily difficult, so all but impossible. And any large scale cheating would result in easily identifiable mismatch later - something one sees with affirmative action cases (e.g. black doctors and their board certification rates - take a wild guess).
If any ethnic group of students in STEM areas is engaging in broad and ongoing cheating :
1) they cannot be gaining a thorough understanding of the material
2) they will be unable to “fake it” for any prolonged period of time in their STEM field
3) therefore the question of whether pervasive cheating is a major issue can be answered by the reputation for competence or the lack thereof in their peer groups. What say you ?
I read your post on your blog and am astounded that College Board would have so little regard for the integrity of its product as to reuse the same test for international student test takers that it had used in the U.S. several months earlier. If true, colleges need to reassess whether the SAT deserves its exalted status. Any similar doubts regarding the ACT ?
A further demonstration that any nation or institution is gone beyond reclamation when it becomes impossible to parody. I would have had difficulty believing that this report was not an excerpt from a humor mag had I not seen the photo.
“Ancient Athens with its core citizen class and its ancillary metics could be a plausible model for America in 2050 ”
Isn’t that, in effect, what the “path to citizenship” part of dealing with current “illegal residents” would in fact create ? No fear of the INS, but also no immeddiate right to participate in the political process of the country whose functioning their labor makes possible ? I don’t doubt that this could happen but the moral aspect I find troubling.
P.S. That young fella has an “Ivy or Bust” look of grim determination.:-)
Quibble Alert !
The author needs to rework those stats in the first paragraph: 9 million is about 53% of 17 million etc.
As a layman, I hesitate to venture any opinion at all on the relative merits of Science writers. My limited understanding is that in that field The Fact is Sacred and any conscious “fudging” is, and ought to be, lethal.
I am puzzled, however, by your saying that “Jonah is a young white male, so he will be given particular breaks in this world.” Please understand that I am not trying to refute what you are saying, but I would like you to be more specific.
Was his initial reputation undeserved ?
Was the response of the organs he was associated with somehow blunted by his race ?
Would a non-white, non-young, non-male person be denied similar post exposure treatment and, if so, are such cases known to you ? Of course, no names are necessary.
If I had to hazard a guess, it would be that his having been a Rhodes Scholar gave him Elite contacts that conferred benefits beyond race or gender. What say you ?
Worked for a certain well-known politician. (And his wife!)
his having been a Rhodes Scholar gave him Elite contacts that conferred benefits
Thank you Mr. Shyster for clarifying how this is done. Do either a false claimant or her lawyer face any risk for unfounded allegations ?
Thank Mr. Khan. I have had a strong feeling that this area is of prime importance, but some of the articles have been way over my head. Plan to use the resources that you have thoughtfully provided to get up to speed.
Twelve points on a 1 to 10 scale. One of Pat’s very best encapsulating the idiocy and contradictions of the “War On Terror”. The crystal clear substance of Islam that has given meaning and structure to huge populations over vast areas for centuries is opposed by an amorphous substance free drivel of vague abstraction.
No denial of obvious facts of Nature is too bizarre for our Ruling Elite to pursue.
It should be "to whomever they please, as whoever is the object of the preposition, but I digress.The way smart Americans get around this problem is by forming property owner associations and imposing strict rules about home and yard appearance. If you don't maintain your house and yard to association standards, you get fined. If you don't pay the association fees, you are out.In practice this keeps out the undesirables without violating the equal opportunity principle that no one should be denied the right to live in the neighborhood of his choice due to race, color, creed, sexual preference, etc. The opponents of gentrification could form property owner associations that demand that owners maintain their properties according to ghetto standards. Owners would be required to have junk cars on the lawns and ratty sofas on front porches. Perhaps all association members should be required to own a pit bull.White people are very resourceful, however, and they might get around such rules by having very tasteful antique foreign junk cars on their lawns and weatherproof faux used sofas on front porches. Intelligent white people with money usually find a way to get what they want.Replies: @Big Bill, @Oldeguy, @Lurker
your neighbors are free to sell their homes to whoever they please
Satire worthy of Jonathan Swift. Bravo !
Mr. Douthat’s defense of Freedom of Speech as the Open Mindedness that accompanies Humility ( Gee, we could be wrong about this ) is a relic of our Christian past.
Rationalism today, whether of Right or Left, scorns that Humility as being not a Virtue, but rather a weak kneed lack of conviction.
There is a World of difference between a paralyzing state of Doubt and a humble reserving of that Final Judgement.
Because Southern Cotton growers needed cheap Black Labor as much after the Civil War as they had prior to it, and the U.S. needed the foreign exchange earnings of Cotton exports ( as large as 60% of such earnings in the 19th Century ) .
It was the Mechanization of Cotton growing post WW2 that made “surplus” Black Labor a Problem rather than an Asset.
Pat at his best. What is surprising is not that the Globalist GOP has done so poorly, but rather that it hasn’t done far worse.
The GOP vote has become The Lesser Of Two Evils vote and is therefore dependent on the Dems being unable to get their act together with a program that would appeal to Economic Nationalists. If they ever do, Bye, Bye GOP.
“Class warfare disappeared in the warfare between homosexuals and heterosexuals, black and white, men and women”.
Spot on analysis of how Identity Politics paralyses the 99.09 % into internecine squabbles over crumbs falling from the tables of the 0.91 % and ludicrous kabuki theater symbolism struggles over distractions like display of the Confederate flag.
These times are badly in need of a coherent, well thought out Class Conscious, Color Blind, Gender Blind, Everything Else Blind, Ideology to oppose what is known overseas as Neo-Liberalism and here is a sort of Free Market Uber Allesism.
Ya can’t beat Somethin’ with Nothin’.
True, but since that would jeopardize the future of casino type finance, it’s obviously ” unworkable “.
That very handsome Little Fella seems to be proudly saying “my Daddy has the best HBD blog on the Internet ! “- and he is right.
Sicko haters exist in all races. Keep up your excellent work.
Good God- ya just can’t make this stuff up ! The Identity Politics lunacy has reached and passed the point where it possible to parody.
Thank you, thank you Derb for bringing this gem of our Cultures descent into Bonkerishness to wider attention.
Two possible benefits thereby:
1) These deluded, repellent, pathetic Fools might suffer pangs of embarrassment sufficient to prompt an agonized re-appraissal of their mis-spent lives and thus efforts to rejoin the Sane on Planet Earth. Damn scant chance of that, to be sure, but still a chance.
2) Immunization ( if any more were needed ) against the rest of us ever taking these wretches for being anything other than what they are : a pathogen in our Culture.
Thank You, Fred. This is the Biggie that is going to ( assuming we do not blow ourselves up in the interim ) transform life in the industrialized world beyond recognition.
It is already beginning to happen, almost invisibly, all around us. I remember how shocked I was the first time, while waiting for a train to pass, I saw a notice on the side of the cab telling that there was no human therein- why should there be ?
The Work For Pay Model, the heretofore basis of our economic, and I suspect psychological, life is simply going to go the way of the subsistence farming that was the lot, until a century or two ago, of the overwhelming majority of Mankind.
Those alarmed at “declining rates of work-force participation” ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
Bravo ! “All this diversity/feminism/gay rights stuff” is carefully nurtured ( by unmerited media attention ) distraction to prevent the emergence of just such a movement.
It is a sad Fact Of Life that our human lifespan is so very limited and thus our time and efforts in using those talents we have been gifted with require a winnowing out of the inevitable dead end distractions we encounter.
Surely no distraction is more dead end for a man of talent in your position than dealing with the Willfully Ignorant. There exist a sub-set of readers covering the spectrum from Marxist to Libertarian who apparently have a very strong ideological “vested interest” in HBD’s not being true. The vast array of evidence that proves otherwise is irrelevant- the psychic “cost” of examining it is apparently too high.
In my estimation, you provide the best and most easily accessible source of that information and thus are a vital resource of Truth in a vast sea of error.
So keep of your very good work, Young Fella, and don’t let the bastards grind you down.
Once again, we encounter the old Who Ya Gonna Believe Problem : Me ( the Media “Personality” )
Or Yer Lyin” Eyes ( personal experience gained from prolonged intimate contact ).
Having lived in close in suburb of a major U.S. city as it transitioned from aging Central European immigrant predominance to Mexican immigrant predominance, and then slid into Section 8 former public housing ( all native born U.S. citizen Black ) influx, I think that I know where Fred is coming from.
Anybody equating Mexican immigrants with our own Black Under-Class simply doesn’t know what they are talking about, and would be well advised to begin listening to those who do.
Thank you for a thoughtful comment, though I believe we may be talking at cross purposes.
What I believe Fred was addressing was the mean-spiritedness and mis-characterization that so often appears in discussion of this area.
I am opposed to both Open Borders and Multi-Culturalism, and ( if memory serves me correctly ) so is Fred.
Love of traditional America neither requires, nor is well served by, obvious hatred and distortion.
That, unless I badly misread him, was his point.
Now I presented my own experience. It is impossible to argue with the experience of another- that individual may be a liar and/or a self-deluded fool, but the report, in itself is beyond argument.
And that experience was of courteous, hard working, poor, stable family people.
The most striking difference was the utter absence of the in-your-face chip-on-the-shoulder “attitude” found in so many Blacks.
Gotta call ’em as I seen ’em.
Superb article, Mr. Frost, well worth the time and effort reading and digesting it.
Was, and remain, very pleased that you decided to continue writing here.
Very cogent and thought provoking comment.
That the U.S.A. provides an ideal environment for Sociopaths to rise to wealth, power, and disproportionate influence would go a long way to explain the otherwise baffling situation of a basically decent moral people being led by utterly amoral self seekers.
This article, and the intelligent, rigorous discussion that it will doubtless generate, is a prime example of what makes Ron Unz Review required daily reading for me. It stimulates thought while catering neither to Political Correctness nor to my existing unexamined beliefs. I can only grow wiser and my beliefs only approach the Truth more closely through this discussion.
Is that not what we should all be striving for ?
This article must really be read in its entirety. It’s really not about Trump or the National Front in France- it’s about the Elite’s declining “ability to control the discourse”.
Since Paul Krugman is himself a prominent member of that same Elite, his frankness in describing how essential that control is ( he obviously believes it to be a “good thing” ) in maintaining the rule of the Few over the Many explains why we live in the Era of Political Correctness and why the Elites are in panic mode over Mr. Trump and Ms. LePen. It is far more difficult to maintain rule of the Few when that Few are widely believed to be not only arrogant and hubris filled but also bunglers.
A Must Read !
Good golly, Miss Molly- talk about a thorough analysis !
Thanks Jayman !
The race in Ohio is supposed to be very close; if Trump wins, I have to wonder if he will owe that victory to the “protesters” in Chicago due to the distaste which they generated outside the MSM bubble.
We are probably very close ( if not there already ) to identifying from DNA samples very high risk individuals for specific “anti-social” traits at a very early age before the supposed behavior manifests.
Tagging such individuals for some sort of increased surveillance would appear to be simple societal prudence. While it would have to be done with sensitivity, tact, and discretion, the alternative is a willful blindness failure on the part of the authorities to use a potent tool in defense of public safety.
That of, of course, does not mean that the willful failure will not occur: the ludicrous lengths to which airport screening has gone to avoid racial profiling should convince us of that.
If that outspoken Yankee milkman were alive today ( and one may hope his progeny are worthy of him ) he would either be sporting a “Make America Great Again” cap or at at a Bernie rally against the Wall Street Oligarchy.
I could almost hear the strains of ” Oh, Columbia The Gem Of The Ocean” as I read the excerpt.
In that bygone America, as in the Athens of Pericles, ” the man who does not concern himself with Public Affairs is not thought indolent, but good for nothing.”
I’ve been unable to determine just what Trump is “all about” throughout this entire season.
It might well be that this has just been an enormous ego indulgence that got out of hand and his truly incredible string of foot-in-mouth episodes are an unconscious way of bringing a lark that has gone too far to an end- if so, we’ll be seeing more.
It brings to mind William F. Buckley’s reply to a reporter’s question as to what his first official act would be in the unlikely event of his victory in the 1965 NYC mayoralty race: ” Demand a recount.”
Another Fred Gem- keep ’em comin’.
I have no idea whether the Evolutionists are right ( and I suspect that they themselves are less certain than they let on ) but their frequently tortured explanations of how current reality came about often descend into silliness; a simple ” Gee, sure beats me ” would bring the theory into less disrepute.
They're just modern day "just so" stories. ('How the elephant got his nose', etc.)
...but their frequently tortured explanations of how current reality came about often descend into silliness.
America will continue have this tragic carnage until:
1) it finally owns up to its centuries long oppression and degradation of pit bulls.
2) Abolishes every disgraceful form of institutional Breedism ( e. g. denial of or higher rates for Homeowners Insurance for Pit Bull households ) that blights this nation founded on equality for all.
3) Require that Labradors be required to attend Labrador Privilege Awareness training sessions.
4) Finally have sufficient decency to address the national disgrace of Pit Bull over-incarceration in the nation’s Dog pounds!
5) And have sufficient honesty and humility to admit that The War On Bites was Breedist motivated and has been a spectacular failure.
America’s clearest eyed and straightest speaking social commentator strikes again.
One can expect the Black Reparations push to eventually succeed due to the obvious, if totally unmentionable, problem that Fred skillfully outlined.
Gotta do somethin’ with all those folks and eventually you run out of plausible reasons for utterly ineffective Federal giveaway grants to “close the gap”.
It’s more humane and tactful to tell people that their free lunch was somehow earned by the sufferings of their ancestors than that they are superfluous burdens to a system whose only value yardstick is productivity.
It would be an enormous help if the Right drop the anger, stop the jeering, realize that we’re all in this together, start stressing what it is for, rather than against, and push for those Surveys Of Western Civ. undergrad requirements to come back into higher ed.
The Western Heritage is both rich and enriching but the memory will die with the older generations if not transmitted- don’t blame the Millennials if they sound like illiterate barbarians; God knows I was clueless concerning my cultural inheritance until I “had” to undergo instruction in it.
If a Black slave lady will now grace our $20 bill, surely a Republican Congress can force a Western Civ. survey requirement on institutions participating in the Student Loan Program.
And if the Republican Congress can’t do that, what are they good for ?
Probably more like 20 million. Perhaps 30 million if you include later white flight, which continues even now if places like Buffalo and Cleveland where the white minorities are still escaping to the suburbs as soon as they are able.Replies: @Oldeguy
If there were 125,000 from Austin, how many displaced persons were there across America overall in this era? Five million? Ten million? Fifteen million?
This is the great untold saga of post WW2 America- the expulsion of millions of Whites of every ethnic heritage from the great American Inner Cities.
The consequences are enormous both at the personal and societal levels. It frequently entailed trauma from which the victims never fully recovered; the victimized in life can never recover that unconscious sense of safety the never victimized possess.
On a societal level, it meant the death of the genuine “neighborhood”- “vibrant” once meant a warm, mutually supportive community where you knew and could rely on those around you.
Its destruction on a massive scale led us into the “cocooning” so ably outlined in Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone https://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1467042812&sr=1-1&keywords=bowling+alone
It is the Great Unmentionable Fact of modern America.
Quite possibly the greatest engineer of the 19th Century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel
It speaks damn well for the British that their cultural memory is intact enough to remember him.
How many Americans would be able to tell you who created the telegraph ? The sewing machine ?
Managed the building of the Panama Canal ? Discovered the cause of, and therefore the means of preventing Yellow Fever ?
LeBron James- Gawd !
Brunel and his engineering marvels feature prominently in a number of BBC features, and I don't recall hearing any of the take a tangent to discuss his use of slave labour or oppressed peoples, like that you get on largely unwatched PBS.
"It speaks damn well for the British that their cultural memory is intact enough to remember him."
America’s best , and my favorite, Societal Analyst strikes again.
This Second Industrial Revolution is now upon us and its impact will be as fully transformative as was the shift from a primarily agriculture based society ( America 1840 ) to an industrially based society ( America 1940 ). A very important difference will be the speed at which it will occur and the dramatic shift in social organization it will require.
It’s impact is already being seen in all those “Millennials” ( many with college degrees ) still “living at home”, loosened standards for Social Security Disability status that doubled the rolls, the inane push of the current administration to have every semi-literate high school grad become a college “student”, and poll after poll showing a majority of the population believing the country to be “on the wrong track”.
Since any direct solution to the problem would, of necessity, infringe on the freedom of action and impose social responsibilities on those benefitting from the problem ( i.e. our Gazillionaire Elite ), this crucially important development is one of those “unmentionables” too “divisive” for public discussion.
“So, Oldeguy, you still live ?
Yeah, the Grim Reaper’s scythe barely missed a while back, but only the Good die young.
Have to say that I really can’t agree concerning overpopulation ( American, that is- Third World a different matter entirely ) as being that big a threat. Human ingenuity continues to outwit the Cassandras.
I do think, however, that you are spot on about the main barrier to be overcome as being psychological. American pride in being a Hard Worker with plenty of overtime needs to go the way of the horse drawn buggy. Instead of a minimum wage adjustment, we eventually will need a very sharply reduced work week with nobody proudly working two jobs. To a large extent, the problem will be in our own attitudes.
I think that you’re very close to the crux of the problem- who, exactly, will wind up “owning” the means of production ?
1 ) If the current system continues along its current, though greatly accelerated path, the tiny Owners Class continues to concentrate wealth and the vast Non Owners Class sinks into Under Class serfdom.
2 ) Even if inhibiting robotics were feasible ( doubtful ), would it be desirable ? After all, the U.S. could have “full employment” overnight by simply destroying its own electric power grid, though at the cost of severe reduction in living standard.
3 ) A way out of the conundrum might be to so thoroughly regulate the production of all goods and services as to make them, in effect, public utilities. The society’s jobs would all be shared with a steadily decreasing work week. Both income and increased free time would be the Social Dividend for being in the ( mandatory ) Work Force. The diffusion of the benefits of the Second Industrial Revolution would be maximized and its costs minimized.
I know that sounds both radical and visionary, but the alternative ( just let current trends continue ) would be an inevitable horror story.
Thoughtful, insightful, non-hysterical, well balanced, frank article. Thank you Peter.
Thank you for mentioning The Great Unmentionable.
Virtually all of the media and political leadership commentary thus far has been on the order of “better screening of police candidates”, better “training” of police cadets” , and, of course, vigorous, prompt prosecution to “weed out the few bad apples”.
While all of these may some ( very limited ) benefit, they all share a common error: namely that the “problem” rests in the police.
It doesn’t- it resides in a sub-culture of a sub-culture that that is FAR more prone to violence and intimidation ( mostly with one another ) than is the case with the general population.
To expect a police officer to approach a young male sharing the phenotype of that sub-culture with the same mindset that he approaches the white suburban soccer mom is sheer fantasy, and anyone saying he should is a fool or a liar.
Ethnomasochism is the ultimately lethal soul sickness of the West.
This example is so nauseating and horrifying that were I to encounter it in a work of fiction, I would chide the author for having gone over the top.
Awarding this young swine, and, yes, by eighth grade a kid can have already gone truly bad, the First Prize speaks volumes about the “school” and sends an unignorable message to his ( one can hope ) less “enlightened” contemporaries.
Radical jihadist Islam and the dull seething resentment of People of Color directed at People of non-Color are not new and, of themselves, are not that great a threat- our ancestors, far less well armed than we, dealt very effectively with both.
However, “their strength was of the strength of ten because their hearts were pure”.
Thank God for Fred Reed- consistently the most honest, best informed, and most importantly, the sanest voice on racial and ethnic questions in America.
“To hell with the country, but do not threaten my internal furies.”
My God, how apt a description of a mindset far, far, too often present in Alt Right commentary ; those afflicted with this pathology of mind and soul are so utterly immersed in their anger and fear that rational discourse becomes impossible.
Yet another example of the pervasive loss of integrity in American institutions.
No wonder Mr. Trump doesn’t fear the virtually universal strident opposition of media – many, if not most , Americans assume those very highly paid “personalities” will happily say exactly what they are told to say.
This particular example cries out for a major investigation. Lethal effects that massively present had to make it through the FDA approval process by having wildly inappropriate subject selection ( e.g. healthy 20 year olds in a drug that would be marketed to the elderly ) or the trial results were massaged to conceal adverse findings.
Class action suits are just a cost of doing business for Big Pharma- some folks should be wearing orange suits for this one.
“all of this requires an organization that I don’t think Trump has…”
I’d go further than that- it requires focus, self discipline and clear headed strategic thinking.
None of which I have yet seen from Mr. Trump; I have to wonder if the man is actually serious about his candidacy.
Yes, of course the Gazillionaire owned media are uniform in their vehement opposition, but that in no way excuses his absolutely feckless approach to this campaign.
Never before in American history has a major party nominated a Presidential candidate carrying anything like Hillary’s personal baggage and yet Mr. Trump is playing defense- bloody incredible.
In the Democratic primary Hillary and Bernie split the White vote almost evenly between them and many, many of those Bernie Dems simply despise Hillary and what she stands for.
If Mr. Trump had an ounce of sense ( which I am beginning to doubt ) he would be ceaseless in voicing his common ground ( e.g. an economic policy that puts all of the American people first ) with those millions and moving heaven and earth to openly get them on board.
If nothing else, it would immediately put Hillary and her unsavory entourage on the defensive, where God knows they belong, and scare the bejesus out of them.
I’m not entirely clear about what Steve is trying to accomplish here.
I think it’s fairly indisputable that cheating ( acquiring test questions prior to a test ) is both morally and legally wrong and should be suppressed.
On the question of whether scholastic aptitude testing should be the major criteria for selecting incoming students, what other criteria would Steve prefer : skin color ? birthplace ? gender ? alumni family member ?
If genetics and/or culture or some indeterminable mixture of the two give prospective students of East Asian heritage an edge in doing better in honestly administered admission tests, so what ?
Part of what bothers me is the vague concept of “gaming” used here. It would bother me ( a lot ) if cheating were involved. It would bother me not at all if the Tiger Moms ( of whatever racial heritage ) “helicoptered” Junior by keeping the damn TV off and the midnight oil burning as the textbooks were closely studied.
“and am starting to wonder if they would dramatically underperform in college” “They are still able to do well, acquiring information , then promptly forgetting it ”
Really ? In those very STEM heavy schools and courses in which they are so grotesquely over-represented ?
70% of the Cal Tech under-grad student body is promptly forgetting course content the day after each final as they progress up the ladder from foundational to sub-specialized course work ?
Please don’t misunderstand; a Social Justice Warrior, I sure as hell ain’t but I frankly find that to be incredible.
70% of their student body caught cheating ?
Wow, that should open a whole lot of seats for non-Asian heritage applicants !
Steve beat me to it- see his reply to you below.
Cal Tech is, of course, one the most highly regarded and most selective Universities in the world.
They don’t self promote because their truly astounding array of stars numbered among their alumni speaks for itself.
Not many Asians there in the Hall of Fame.
They don’t self promote because their truly astounding array of stars numbered among their alumni speaks for itself.
“We will not admit it, because then we would have to do something about it, and we know not what.”
Perfect one sentence summary of the position the Ruling Elite finds itself in.
They are neither stupid nor naive. They well realize what’s happening and thus are willing to spend lavishly to insulate themselves and their loved ones from the ongoing collapse but to say so publicly would entail accepting responsibility for instituting remedial societal response ( which is, after all, their supposed function as Ruling Elites ).
And they haven’t a ghost of a clue of how to begin. They are utterly morally bankrupt which means they can’t accurately formulate the problem, much less fashion solutions.
Having drones deliver death thousands of miles overseas ( zero personal risk ) can be implemented for years without a quiver of hesitation but quashing domestic disorder here ?
That’s only possible when the Elite firmly believes in itself, its Heritage, and its future enough to risk today for the benefit of its descendant’s tomorrows.
Gotta admit to being baffled on this one- what exactly is Fred trying to accomplish here ?
I have been ( and hope to remain ) a very appreciative admirer of Fred’s razor sharp intelligence, rigorous logic, refusal to be pigeonholed by the group-think of any opinion segment, candor, and integrity.
So OK, so just what the hell is going on here ?
It’s not so much the specifics that bother me ( who, after all, can honestly claim to having the ” whole story” on any of this stuff ? ) , but rather the sloppy and lazy caricaturing of skeptics so obviously prior to any serious attempt to investigate what the skeptics themselves, as opposed to MSM guardians of the Official Versions, present.
Shame on ya for this one, Amigo !
Fred, imo, is tweaking the noses of the plethora of fringist whackies who abound in these environs.
but rather the sloppy and lazy caricaturing of skeptics so obviously prior to any serious attempt to investigate what the skeptics themselves, as opposed to MSM guardians of the Official Versions,
Are you being tongue-in-cheek? I don't know where "unusual" starts, but the FBI crime table show a murder rate 3.67X a rate imputable to their percentage of population, and a 7.1X rate for violent crime in general. I'm sure you know your way to the tables, but, if necessary, I can provide the links.Replies: @Oldeguy, @AnalogMan
namely the absurd claim, endlessly debunked by every reputable media outlet, that American blacks have an unusually high crime rate…
If Mr. Unz’s tongue were any more firmly implanted in his cheek, molars would be dislodged.
Fred, imo, is tweaking the noses of the plethora of fringist whackies who abound in these environs.
but rather the sloppy and lazy caricaturing of skeptics so obviously prior to any serious attempt to investigate what the skeptics themselves, as opposed to MSM guardians of the Official Versions,
“is age affecting your analytics ” ?
Quite possibly so. Back at the end of the last Ice Age when I was an impressionable college student, I was taught to thoroughly examine the other fellow’s evidence ( his own evidence, not what others
said/wrote/selectively chose to present about him ) before attempting to refute his point of view.
It’s one of those habits formed in youth that has persisted.
That and the enduring belief that ad hominem attack is a cardinal sign of weak argument.
Ice Age? Hell, I go back to the 3rd Ice Age -- yessir, they stopped you and checked your hall pass back then. Possibly, you meant "Mesozoic"?
Quite possibly so. Back at the end of the last Ice Age when I was an impressionable college student, I was taught to thoroughly examine the other fellow’s evidence
My Main Man Fred is his old marvelous self again- Thank You God.
“American culture now drinks deeply of the ghetto, and there is no turning this around either.”
Many years ago, in the black and white TV era, I watched Bishop Fulton Sheen say : ” When any civilization is healthy and vigorous, the Lower Orders ape their Betters ; when it is in decay and dying, the Betters ape the Lower Orders.”
Now that’s real Conservatism “with the bark off” .
It is simultaneously:
1) Brutally insensitive
2) Shocking arrogant
3 ) Dead on the money True
Is White Christian Civilization of such unique enduring value as to be worth sacrificing to pass on whole and entire the Heritage we were gifted at birth to our descendants as it was given to us ?
Apparently our Rulers believe not.
“American culture now drinks deeply of the ghetto, and there is no turning this around either." -- Fred Reed
Oldeguy, thank you for the Bishop Sheen reference. I used to watch him on TV as a child, but I was then too young to understand what he was sayingThis aping of the lower orders and their culture is abrasively apparent everywhere you look. Walk through an upper-scale high school in an upper-scale city and you know that, even in these privileged places, the "end is nigh!" The infection is universal. I moved the family from southern California when I delivered my son to high school and watched a coed walk in the front door dressed in high-cut gym shorts and wearing a low-cut halter top and thongs. This was after we passed the "Gothics" and every other grouped variety of social disorder representing most of the rest of the student population. What will these idle adolescents do when they grow up? Oh, I'm sorry, I guess they never do grow up.We now live in Mid-Atlantica. Only slightly better by a few degrees ... and a sense of hopelessness about it all.
Many years ago, in the black and white TV era, I watched Bishop Fulton Sheen say : ” When any civilization is healthy and vigorous, the Lower Orders ape their Betters ; when it is in decay and dying, the Betters ape the Lower Orders.”
“We like our peaceful, civilized life and pursue it, I have no idea about future generations and frankly don’t care. ”
With all due respect, that sentence is a perfect encapsulation of the Boomer self-absorption that renders gotterdammerung inevitable.
Whatever the faults of the Millennials, they did not create the horrendous mess they are doomed to inherit. They did not blow the Family Heritage- we, to our eternal shame, did.
Bullshit. You and I both know who did it, and it for damn sure wasn't the Boomer generation -- a generation that generated more real productivity than the 1% ever dreamed was possible. And now they want more -- which they're not going to get from the brats they "educated" in the cesspools of American public schools.
They did not blow the Family Heritage- we, to our eternal shame, did.
With whatever respect may be due, speak for yourself. Collective generational guilt -- or credit, for that matter -- does not exist. Individual people do things.
With all due respect, that sentence is a perfect encapsulation of the Boomer self-absorption that renders gotterdammerung inevitable.
Whatever the faults of the Millennials, they did not create the horrendous mess they are doomed to inherit. They did not blow the Family Heritage- we, to our eternal shame, did.
“Speak for yourself”
As an anonymous commentator, whom else could I possibly be speaking for ?
Your list of accomplishments are all praiseworthy and enviable ( never having mastered a musical instrument is one of my many regrets ), but I do note that they are all individual; quite possibly you have a personal history of involvement in community affairs that you opted not to mention, so quite possibly what I am about to say doesn’t apply to you personally.
What I meant by Family Heritage was the huge benefit of simply being born in the United States; a vast array of opportunity, a huge infrastructure for self development, and 25 centuries of Western Civilization that I personally did not create but was uniquely positioned to reap the benefits thereof.
An American is supposedly someone born on third base who thus believes himself to be a major league ball player.
Perhaps the richness of all that provided the seeds of the downfall- with individual opportunity so tempting, abundant, and time and energy consuming, public affairs could be left to those universal objects of contempt, “the politicians”.
Hell, we had far better things to do with our lives, so we did them.
Does collective guilt exist ? Maybe not, but collective consequence most certainly does.
When wisdom and sane perspective are voiced most clearly by a shabbily dressed street person, what does that say about the rest of us ?
Pretty much my response. Something, I know not what, is amiss with Our Favorite Expatriate.
Not being sure of what really happened in an event this pivotal is a reason to proceed with further discussion and investigation- not to shut it down.
The most successful, by far, commando operation in history performed flawlessly by a bunch of guys with boxcutters directed by cell phone by a fugitive hiding out in a cave in Afghanistan ?
On the the face of it, that matches the goofiest of any of the conspiracy theories.
And even the members of the 9/11 Commission have admitted they don't really believe it.
On the the face of it, that [the theory about 19 guys with box-cutters under the direction of fugitive in a cave in Afghanistan] matches the goofiest of any of the conspiracy theories.
me too!
I admit that I continue to be astounded by the pure inventiveness of each additional fragment of wackiness that is added
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"I continue to be astounded by the pure inventiveness of each additional fragment of wackiness"
Not a bad list to start with; it could have been ( as you no doubt know ) both much longer and more detailed, but it simply would have wasted even more keystrokes.
I suspect some of our commentators here are “professionals” whose daily bread depends on debunking skeptics.
Anyone who has attempted to share ( face to face ) doubts about the Official Version knows that evidence is not the problem.
It’s fear of the implications of the Official Version being bogus- many, many folks simply “don’t want to go there”.
But according to MIT Professor, Thomas Eager, steel does not bend like rubber at 1000 °F, but loses only half its strength at 650 °C (equal to 1202 °F) not enough to account for the collapse of the towers.
fuel, babe. Aviation grade. Adiabatic burn temperature 4,040°F, open air burn temperature 1,890°F.Steel bends like rubber at 1000 °F.
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The fire is the most misunderstood part of the WTC collapse. Even today, the media report (and many scientists believe) that the steel melted. It is argued that the jet fuel burns very hot, especially with so much fuel present. This is not true. Part of the problem is that people (including engineers) often confuse temperature and heat. While they are related, they are not the same. Thermodynamically, the heat contained in a material is related to the temperature through the heat capacity and the density (or mass). Temperature is defined as an intensive property, meaning that it does not vary with the quantity of material, while the heat is an extensive property, which does vary with the amount of material. One way to distinguish the two is to note that if a second log is added to the fireplace, the temperature does not double; it stays roughly the same, but the size of the fire or the length of time the fire burns, or a combination of the two, doubles. Thus, the fact that there were 90,000 L of jet fuel on a few floors of the WTC does not mean that this was an unusually hot fire. The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel. In combustion science, there are three basic types of flames, namely, a jet burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame. A jet burner generally involves mixing the fuel and the oxidant in nearly stoichiometric proportions and igniting the mixture in a constant-volume chamber. Since the combustion products cannot expand in the constant-volume chamber, they exit the chamber as a very high velocity, fully combusted, jet. This is what occurs in a jet engine, and this is the flame type that generates the most intense heat. In a pre-mixed flame, the same nearly stoichiometric mixture is ignited as it exits a nozzle, under constant pressure conditions. It does not attain the flame velocities of a jet burner. An oxyacetylene torch or a Bunsen burner is a pre-mixed flame. In a diffuse flame, the fuel and the oxidant are not mixed before ignition, but flow together in an uncontrolled manner and combust when the fuel/oxidant ratios reach values within the flammable range. A fireplace flame is a diffuse flame burning in air, as was the WTC fire. Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of the three flame types.If the fuel and the oxidant start at ambient temperature, a maximum flame temperature can be defined. For carbon burning in pure oxygen, the maximum is 3,200°C; for hydrogen it is 2,750°C. Thus, for virtually any hydrocarbons, the maximum flame temperature, starting at ambient temperature and using pure oxygen, is approximately 3,000°C. This maximum flame temperature is reduced by two-thirds if air is used rather than pure oxygen. The reason is that every molecule of oxygen releases the heat of formation of a molecule of carbon monoxide and a molecule of water. If pure oxygen is used, this heat only needs to heat two molecules (carbon monoxide and water), while with air, these two molecules must be heated plus four molecules of nitrogen. Thus, burning hydrocarbons in air produces only one-third the temperature increase as burning in pure oxygen because three times as many molecules must be heated when air is used. The maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1,000°C—hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1,500°C. But it is very difficult to reach this maximum temperature with a diffuse flame. There is nothing to ensure that the fuel and air in a diffuse flame are mixed in the best ratio. Typically, diffuse flames are fuel rich, meaning that the excess fuel molecules, which are unburned, must also be heated. It is known that most diffuse fires are fuel rich because blowing on a campfire or using a blacksmith’s bellows increases the rate of combustion by adding more oxygen. This fuel-rich diffuse flame can drop the temperature by up to a factor of two again. This is why the temperatures in a residential fire are usually in the 500°C to 650°C range.2,3 It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich, diffuse flame as evidenced by the copious black smoke. Soot is generated by incompletely burned fuel; hence, the WTC fire was fuel rich—hardly surprising with 90,000 L of jet fuel available. Factors such as flame volume and quantity of soot decrease the radiative heat loss in the fire, moving the temperature closer to the maximum of 1,000°C. However, it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range. All reports that the steel melted at 1,500°C are using imprecise terminology at best. Some reports suggest that the aluminum from the aircraft ignited, creating very high temperatures. While it is possible to ignite aluminum under special conditions, such conditions are not commonly attained in a hydrocarbon-based diffuse flame. In addition, the flame would be white hot, like a giant sparkler. There was no evidence of such aluminum ignition, which would have been visible even through the dense soot. It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse. It was noted above that the wind load controlled the design allowables. The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable, which is roughly one-fifth of the yield strength of the steel. Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire. Source
Excellent summary comment.
If the Official Version were true, every commercial jetliner in existence would be an individual weapon of mass destruction- one airliner hits a building, and an hour later no building no matter how massive.
Terrorist organizations the world over would be seizing control of hub airports near major cities and demolishing nuclear power plants, central business districts, central governmental districts, major dams, you name it.
The threat would be severe enough to justify the trouble and expense of permanently garrisoning and major reconfiguring airports.
Have we seen any of that ?
You might check my reply to Rurik below concerning “evidence”.
Mr. Dinh is the most honest, clearest eyed, and shrewdest social commentator I’ve come across, not only at this site, but at any other. I fear his analysis on this is, as usual, spot on.
The whole Trump Phenomena always has had, for me, an aura of bogusness.