Pirates? Surely that was a parody of a “neocon” sycophant.

I really want Bill Kristalnacht to say “pirates” on faux news someday.

“The Democrats are weak on the Pirate Issue.”

“Gulianni is the only candate taking the pirate issue seriously.”

Just the thought of it makes me burst out in laughter.

That said, the problem of Islam is so serious that if Gingrich is the only candidate to express such profound concern about it, then he is the most qualified to win, despite whatever other flaws.

The alternative is losing one or more American cities to nuclear terrorist attacks; which is where we are headed straight for right now.

Zenster, has Newt said anything about slowing down the amount of Islamic immigration into the United States? If not, and all he's saying is we need have a strong military presence in the Middle East, then he really isn't doing anything to stop Islam. While White, Christian men lose their lives in the middle of Arabia, streams of Islamic refugees flow into the United States unabated.

Gingrich also supports illegal aliens who have planted enough roots being able to get a fast-pass to legalized citizenship. This is absolutely absurd. These are the people who should be punished the most: immediate deportation, permanent ban on travel to the United States.

Nobody is raising the issue of Birthright Citizenship™ No rational person thinks a child plopped out 1 into our country is actually a natural-born United States citizen. Why our current application of the law reflects this only suggests that some benefit politically from such persons being considered Citizens, despite the great costs to productive Americans. Louisiana Sen. David Vitter and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul are proposing a Constitutional Amendment to eliminate Birthright Citizenship™ unless one of the parents indeed is a legal resident of the United States.

Great article! The youth in America do vote for leftists in droves, but Ron Paul’s recent run was a major exception to that rule. He did not push for major immigration restrictions, but he did push for eliminating most of what the government does. Not really sure if anyone else on the right could pull in youth voters like Ron Paul did, either.

Is Nigel Farage really that bad? I thought he wanted to reduce immigration from more than just some benefits for some immigrants. Is he not as radical as I had hoped?

All of these posts about the NBA and how things will turn out remind me of people debating whether The Undertaker will win his next Wrestlemania match.

Thr nba is the most crooked sports league on the planet!

Mark Cuban hired a former FBI agent to investigate the nba refs after the 2006 finals when Miami won. He evidently came up with a lot of evidence, and I suspect is the real source of where that nba ref who went to prison for fixing games – and who swore many other refs did it. Not a coincidence that when Dallas reached the finals in 2011, the calls did not automatically and dramatically favor the heat like it had in 2006. As a result, lebron and wade were humiliated by Dirk and Dallas won. I would bet Cuban blackmailed the nba into calling the games fairly or else he would leak info from his investigation.

Basketball is the easiest sport to fix because the refs have far too much power and things like fouls are subjective.

I noticed you completely avoided any reference to an nba ref being thrown in prison for fixing games! You seriously think he just happened to be the only one? I have seen him interviewed after he got out of prison and he was very clear that all refs understood exactly who the nba wanted to promote and who they wanted calls to favor.

Yes, it was hard for Wade to not play great on paper when every time he ducked his head down and charged in a whistle was blown. He had 97 free throw shots for God’s sake!!! Are you next going to tell me that Stone Cold always did well in big events because his stone cold stunner was just too tough for Triple H to stop?

I guess you would rather pretend that whole nba ref going to prison for fixing games never happened though, right?

As far as the next year, you are aware that the Mavs faced their former coach from a couple years before who has literally built the team and knew all the weaknesses of players like Dirk, right? Same thing happened to the Raiders when they had to play their coach from year before in the 02 Super Bowl.

Interesingly enough, fallout after the former FBI agent’s investigation was done included:

1. An nba ref went to prison for fixing games while maintaining it was widespread and league approved
2. The calls were neutral in 2011 – the Mavs did not get horrible calls against them this time against the Heat, and sissies like Wade – watch him cry and have a wheelchair take him out for a hurt ARM on YouTube – whined that he was not getting the usual calls for closing his eyes and charging in the lane and it screwed up his game. Dirk scored more and had a higher shooting percentage in the 4th quarter than lebron and wade combined did in that series.

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/fbi-agent-tim-donaghy-internal-investigation-mitchell-report/228793

Any interested readers should check out that link, especially the part about the pressure the nba put on the ref to shut up after he was caught.

As far as who will win, the nba clearly wants lebron to win in six or seven games bc they want to make the most money from a longer series and want to build him up as the next Jordan because so many whites have abandoned the WWNBA these days. They can’t, however, count on the side effects of hgh use resulting in cramps and lebron having to leave the game from an AC system going out.

Vince McMahon is going to need to hit lebron with a chair one day on the court for some people to realize what the nba is, and even that won’t convince some of you.

In addition to Nelson being the coach for the spurs, the mavs also had “little general” as a coach who can’t be above double digit IQ. He did a horrible job. So yeah, if the guy who built and coached your team is the opposing coach, and your coach is a complete moron who panics and puts people in positions they have never played before – then bad things will happen.

As far as the nba ref, I am glad you are able to recite the nba version of events – that he was just enriching himself. Even that isn’t technically correct though, as the truth is he got into gambling debt and owed some bookies money. He said that many other nba refs gambled, and that all the nba refs knew their jobs depended on calling games how the nba wanted them called. That included stretching a close series out to six or seven games, and making sure the stars got plenty of calls their way. To actually oppose this is like thinking there is no way the media is trying to push lies about crime and race, and it is just a coincidence at how things pan out with white criminals being promoted non stop and black criminals being downplayed or censored.

Either way, whether it is the nba refs being influenced by the nba or by their gambling debt – or both – that means they are altering the outcome with calls. One of the easiest ways to do this is calling fouls since those are fairly subjective. Even Jeff van Gundy has said certain refs are biased against certain people with their calls, but what does an nba coach know?

If you are a Sacramento fan, then I shouldn’t have to convince you of anything. Did you watch the infamous playoff game and call after call going against the kings? Do you honestly think those were just repeated bad calls? Or will you admit that corruption of some sort took place? You may want to dismiss an nba ref being put in prison for fixing games all you want, but the nfl and MLB can’t even make a similar claim currently. The enormous pressure put on him after he states that he wasnt the only ref gambling, and that the nba wanted calls to go certain ways has to be dismissed, too. I happen to think a ref being caught like that is a huge deal, but I guess you don’t.

Just like the crooks behind boxing learned, it is much easier to get the desired outcome with help from a couple judges than an actual fighter. Even still, it doesn’t always go the way it was planned. I have never once claimed nba players are throwing games – though there is some compelling evidence that Knicks players were doing that in the early 80s – and that wouldn’t surprise me, either. My whole wwe comparison has only been about the refs.

No, the nba did not plan on Avery Johnson and don Nelson being coaches. Nowhere did I claim that they controlled every aspect, only that the nba refs were not impartial at all and greatly influence games. One interesting point is that you continue to argue with me over this, but I know someone who helps set the lines for Vegas on sports and boxing and they have elaborate spreadsheets with info on specific referees for stuff like the nba and judges for boxing. I will let you draw your own conclusions from what exactly that means, but lets just say it runs counted to your beliefs.

You took my comment about six or seven games and applied it only to the Finals – yet I notice you did not do the same thing to the earlier playoff series, which do seem to reach six or seven games quite frequently. Often times the much less marketable and far less talented team is in the other conference for the finals, so short series in the finals is not a huge surprise. I have not looked at the stats, but game 6 and 7 are fairly common in the playoffs prior to the finals, which is exactly the point. It may be a coincidence, but a cheating ref is saying it is not – and you may want to dismiss that, but I don’t.

Yes, the spurs are frequently in the finals over the last decade and a half, but they also have had the best coach in the nba and multiple hall of fame players from the admiral to Duncan and Parker and ginobli and all kinds of awesome role players like Steve Kerr.

I noticed you ducked the question asking if you will recognize that there was corruption in that kings game. Not if biases exist like van gundy says, but actual corruption. Are you maintaining that infamous kings game was just a series of phantom calls over and over? Do you also think Ali knocked out Liston with a punch that was so powerful it did not need to actually land to ko him? And what is your explanation for how much worse wade did in 2011 vs 2006? Is that another coincidence?

Again, my focus is on documented facts like an nba ref going to prison for fixing games. You don’t think that is a big deal, and you refuse to admit whether the kings game had any sort of corrupt influence by the refs. So you think the nba is telling the absolute truth and one ref is the only one who has ever fixed games, the ref is lying about plenty of other refs gambling and the nba expectations that calls favor certain people (not sure what he had to gain by claiming that), a former FBI agent investigation was wrong, and that no other refs had nba expectations or outside factors influence how they would call the game? Is that your position?

http://nypost.com/2013/09/14/knicks-players-fixed-games-for-drug-dealers-in-80s-fbi/

Brutusale, good point about point shaving. I did not focus on that since it is much harder to prove. And to my knowledge, no one has actually been caught and imprisoned for that specific reason like an nba ref has, at least recently.

But the link above talks about an FBI investigation into the early 80s Knicks for doing just that. Lots and lots of circumstantial evidence and a player getting a lifetime ban for crack – for the first time ever. I am sure that the large amount of money that player’s crack dealer made in a few games of betting was just a coincidence!

People who have not been around much illegal gambling, drug use, or high level athletes don’t realize:

1. How the personality type of a compulsive gambler is pretty much identical to personality type of a successful athlete

2. How incredibly easy it is to get into huge debt for drug use and illegal gambling, and just how connected the criminals are to one another as far as having assets like this in place

The above is supposedly how the nba ref got into trouble – gambling and then being forced to fix games to pay off his debt. The nba claims he is literally the only ref who was gambling on games, and no one else, including players, gambles on games. I think we all know how silly that sounds.

Does anyone else remember the stories about Jordan and Barkley losing fortunes in Vegas and to golf hustlers? Norm macdonald even made a joke about it when he hosted the espys – no wonder he was never invited back.

http://www.nba.com/playoffs/

This year of the 14 playoff series games before the finals, 10 of them reached either 6 or 7 games.

So only four out of fourteen did not go to a game six or seven. I am sure that is a coincidence, too.

I actually think a good point was made that we should expect to see evidence of the nba wanting games in playoffs to go six games or more, as a former nba ref caught fixing games has claimed. I used the espn stats available on their site and added up how many series prior to the finals went six or more games. It only goes back to 2003, which is plenty of data anyway.

NBA playoffs not including finals lasting six games or more:

2014 – 10 out of 14 – 71%
2013 – 9 out of 14 – 64%
2012 – 8 out of 14 – 57%
2011: 6 out of 14 – 43%
2010: 8 out of 14 – 57%
2009: 8 out of 14 – 57%
2008: 8 out of 14 – 57%
2007: 7 out of 14 – 50%
2006: 10 out of 14 – 71%
2005: 7 out of 14 – 50%
2004: 7 out of 14 – 50%
2003: 11 out of 14 – 78%

Even with a lot of bad teams and a very weak eastern conference, it sure seems to happen an awful lot. Only one time since 2003 has it not happened in at least half of the games.

Heidi could play the wicked witch in a Disney movie with her behavior and movie star looks. Does she have access to the millions in the splc offshore bank accounts used to hide assets from those pesky Internet critics?

I enjoy going back and forth on this and will continue later tonight by responding to more points, but I have to address this point about Liston first. I was referencing the phantom punch, where it barely landed – certainly not enough to even come close to hurting, let alone dropping, a world class boxer.

I boxed for a number of years with world class fighters and they ALL laughed at both of those fights as being completely fixed, but especially the rematch. Ali was notorious for having weak punches by heavyweight standards, which is why ken norton made him look horrible in all three fights – he had zero respect for Ali’s power. That was a weak punch without much on it from someone who did not have much real power in the first place, and Liston falls down and can’t get up? It had nothing to do with all the ties Liston had to the mob, right? Ali wouldn’t even knock out an average person with that punch, let alone a world class fighter.

The FBI investigated a number of Ali fights and suspected several were fixed, including both of these with Liston, but that is always very difficult to prove. Are you seriously arguing that the punch in the second fight knocked Liston out, and it was a legit fight?!?!?!?

By the way, if the Boston stuff doesn’t work for you, how about the coke dealer for the Knicks in the early 80s going from betting 300 a game to 10,000 a game and winning 6 out of 7 bets? Then that player is banned for life for coke use – first time a player had a lifetime ban for that – and then the nba institutes speakers ans a program every year to the players about the dangers of gambling! All of this is confirmed in FBI reports that they have admitted were legit.

This is a Howard Cosell Wide World of Sports Segment about ali/liston 2 with two major media figures, Marciano, and Dempsey. If you watch the whole thing, there are only two reactions: Dempsey and Marciano are diplomatic about things and very polite, but never come out and say it was legit. The media people are far less polite and claim the fight was nowhere near legit.

Marciano points out that the punch had at most 6 inches of power behind it, and that was six inches without getting his hips and legs into it – just an arm punch. He also pointed out that jersey joe Walcott did not immediately run over and start the count bc he did not think there was any way Ali could have knocked Liston down from that punch, and it was probably a slip in his mind.

Howard points out that no one had ever knocked Liston down before, and that Ali had never knocked anyone out with one punch before – not even fighters who were mediocre compared to Liston.

The boxing writer brings up some damning points – that Liston owned 22 percent of the promotional company putting on the fight, and it was out in his father in law’s name to try and hide this fact. He also said that with the people associated with putting this fight on and who all was involved he knew beforehand it would be a travesty and not on the level. The guy who edited the film said if that punch knocked Liston out then he belonged in the mayo clinic!

The funniest was Dempsey though. He referenced how if you can’t say anything nice not to say anything at all. It was also funny to see how badass Dempsey looked even as a man in his 60s.

It was pretty obvious that exactly zero people viewed that fight as legit. The only difference was the former boxing champs were a lot more polite with how they worded things than the media types.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/24/was-rigged-by-mob/?page=all

This Washington times writer obtained the damning FBI files on the fight and went into detail on why the FBI suspected it was a fix. Anyone who thinks the fight was legit should watch the video I posted above and read this article about the FBI’s conclusions.

One other example that would validate the nba altering calls with refs to force a game six:

With the heat up 3 to 1 against the pacers this year, the heat had a total of EIGHT free throws in the game.

Game four? The heat had 34 free throws.

Game three? The heat had 20 free throws.

Again, this is something that is tough to prove, but a team that is getting to the line over four times as much in the previous game and two and a half times more in the game before that suddenly get a total of eight free throws in an elimination game?

As far as the quick playoff series, that is hardly proof that the nba refs don’t try to influence games. Have you seen some of those teams? Not only are they awful, but they have zero following typically. Yet at the same time, an awful lot of teams with large followings seem to get to game six or seven as I showed above.

When it comes to free throws – you admitted earlier that superstars get all kinds of calls. So the biggest star in the nba who always gets the calls suddenly gets in foul trouble when the pacers are about to be eliminated? Yeah, maybe that is a coincidence, but we have a proven nba ref game fixer saying otherwise.

As far as the Ali fight, I am sorry but you are being completely gullible here, and you are also talking to someone with a great deal of personal experience on the subject. There is zero chance that the punch even hurt Liston. Zero!

Ali was a light puncher, and had never knocked anyone out with one punch, and Liston had never been knocked down before – yet a six inch arm punch from a feather fisted heavy knocks him out?!?!?!? A six inch arm punch from a light puncher would not have knocked down liston or any adult male. Have you ever boxed before? Do you realize how good the chins are for elite boxers, especially someone who had gone his whole career without being knocked down like Liston?

I am glad you found one reporter who thinks the fight was real, because almost no one else did – including the FBI. Did you watch the video or read the Washington times report on the FBI files?

The FBI believed the fight was fixed, and they also believed the Knicks were shaving points for their coke dealer. Maybe we just see things differently – I tend to be cynical, and you tend to be trusting. We may just have to agree to disagree, but I would appreciate it if you took a look at the New York post story on the FBI and the 80s Knicks and the Washington times story on Liston and his mafia connections – like being friends with a good friend of lucky Luciano.

Do you think the FBI was wrong about the Knicks and about Liston throwing the fight? Do you think the vast majority of boxing writers, fighters, and coaches were also wrong?

Appreciate the back and forth! It has been fun so far and we are showing Unz what kind of lively debate Steve can bring with him!

I moved around a lot growing up and attended double digit school systems in multiple states. I can safely state that most teachers suck. Most don’t have a good grasp of the material, most don’t understand how to effectively teach, most don’t understand how people learn differently, but just about all of them were really good at giving out busy work and making people recite facts for tests that everyone forgot after the test was over.

Almost no govt school teachers actually encourage people to think and be able to come up with answers on their own, but instead do tons of busy work and memorize stuff right out of awful textbooks and then repeat it back on the tests.

The fundamental problem is that govt controls the school systems, so it is inherently political instead of being judged by the market based on performance. So teachers are forced to do things by politically minded principals who only care about keeping their jobs. School boards are full of absolute morons, too.

I have had jobs in the last where I managed dozens or hundreds of recent high school grads at a time and I can tell you that the lack of knowledge on basic history, basic math skills, and basic English is really shocking. It is far worse than most people realize, but the worst problem of all is that no one can think creatively and figure things out – they have inherited from 12 years (or more) of school that they are supposed to memorize and repeat stuff back, not think about why something happened and what to do about it in the future.

Maybe that has something to do with the low opinion of teachers? The other irony of a government run system is that I know some teachers who are awesome, and they are punished by the political school system for it and held in low regard by the admin. They are also laughed at by other teachers, the vast majority, for working so much harder and longer.

Lastly, the nonsense of making it where a kid has to pretty much kill someone to get kicked out of a normal school doesn’t help matters at all. Kids know they can get away with murder in class and not much is done about it.

Again – the solution for all hard working teachers is to get government out of the school system.

By the way, there is a 180 in opinion on cops recently, especially by libertarians and conservatives who used to both be very pro cop. All of the videos and stories that go viral about police abuse are leading me to see groups who would have never trashed cops saying things I would have never imagined just a decade or so ago. One irony is that leftists are now defending cops and their nonsense like the Boston bombing reaction by the cops.

Great article! Funny how the left and Obama attacked the Wilsonian foreign policy of bush for years, but now have totally embraced it.

So I am wrong about my experiences in eleven school systems in multiple states that were all considered “good schools” among the public? And I am wrong about literally thousands of recent high school grads I have managed over the years?

Good to know my own experiences did not take place! You certainly can’t blame it all on “one bad apple school” or other nonsense. When I have kids they will be home schooled – enough of this dumbed down indoctrination center.

Like most elites of the regime, she hates any candidate who is actually antiwar because that takes power away from the state. Look at how much nonsense bush and Obama have been able to get away with under the guise of war? Dramatic NSA expansion, the patriot act, the Ndaa, the tsa, etc.

Anti war policies stop the elites from giving each other crony business deals, and it stops the elite from punishing or rewarding puppets overseas who bow down to the mighty empire. The size and scope of the state becomes dramatically larger whenever war is taking place. Heck, the first central bank was basically an end around for the British to go to war without having to raise taxes.

This is the real reason the American media did its best to trash Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. They oppose the wilsonian intervention that the elites love.

Actually, there are issues that generate a great deal of support from younger voters and even some from non whites like being anti-war, auditing the Fed, ending domestic spying, etc, and there is one giant elephant in the room. Gun rights is a huge, huge political loser for the Dems, but the GOP never wants to push it for whatever reason.

The evangelical right did get lots of credit for GOP wins in the past, but from about 94 on most of that credit should have gone over to the gun rights supporters. That was the issue that turned the South Republican, that was the main issue that got the GOP a 1994 landslide win and control of congress, that was the issue that gave bush the presidency in 2000 and lost the sitting pres and vice pres states, and that is the issue that is going to lead to the GOP taking back the senate despite a number of moronic decisions they have made.

Don’t believe that still applies? In Colorado last year, the state voted to recall two sitting state senators – the first time ever in state history – despite the pro recall side being outspent 6 to 1 and both districts had voted for Obama by roughly 20 points the year before. A third state senator resigned rather than lose a recall election.

The demographics of the pueblo, CO district was solidly Dem and a large amount of Hispanics – yet they voted her out by 12%! 1/3 of registered Dems voted to recall her – a result so shocking that PPP figured it had messed up and did not release those figures until after the election.

The one and only cultural issue that is trending toward our way and that the left lose again and again is on gun rights. It is also the one issue they fear most. Unfortunately, the GOP ignores this issue instead of beating the Dems over the head with it like the Dems do on issues that garner no where near as much support. It is one issue that is very easy for the con/libertarian side to win the emotional argument – unlike almost everything else other than immigration, which they refuse to touch.

The Washington post recently did a poll and the voters preferred having the Dems handle almost every issue with just a couple exceptions – one being gun laws. That is one wedge issue that draws out independents, some Dems, and the GOP base that sits home when Romney and McCain run. So naturally, the GOP is all too willing to ignore it.

That video is hilarious and very accurate! I can’t imagine how quickly that money would be blown for reparations. Just think of all the bankrupt nba and nfl players!

http://blog.wilsoncombat.com/paul-howe/2nd-amendment-and-the-kool-aid-drinkers-by-paul-howe/

As far as the old cliche Giraldi repeated above about “the people would have no chance against thr government” line, they also tend to be the types to think that the govt could go door to door and simply take all firearms away. Check out the link above, where former Delta Force and Black Hawk Down vet Paul Howe completely disagrees – and this is from someone who knows all too well about the state fighting the populace and is an expert on tactics and weapons.

If you read between the lines, it is also pretty clear he is referencing a 4GW plan that the people would do on their own spontaneously. The people like Giraldi who argue about war with the people vs the state tend to think like the British did in the colonies or the soviets in Afghanistan or the Americans in Vietnam: that war is tactical instead of political, and that the two sides will line up in front of each other and have a “fair” fight. Instead, the reality of the guerrilla fighter is they choose the time, place, and target.

I think two recent examples prove Howe correct. Take a look at how one mediocre cop in LA shut down and terrified an entire police department – to the point that the “well trained” lapd shot out a truck of a young Hispanic woman while looking for a 300 lb black man – luckily, as usual they missed with all their shots so no one was hurt. The entire department was scared and it basically tied everyone up until dorner was found.

In Boston, two kids managed to literally have an entire city shut down with armored vehicles and who knows how many cops on the scene pointing weapons at civilians. Despite this, the cops playing commandos still missed the one terrorist alive – a homeowner discovered him in his boat. When the cops arrived, they fired off hundreds of rounds – and as usual, hit everything but the unresisting and unarmed target, including putting a number of holes in nearby houses.

My point with these two stories? That one obese mediocre cop and two kids managed to tie up entire giant urban police departments who acted alone with no support. I can’t imagine how badly it would have gone for the cops had some additional people been working with them and set up ambushes to the sitting duck Barney fifes playing commando. Now extend this principle to hundreds of thousands or even millions who do more than just attack govt agents, but also cut off supplies for stations, attack the homes of govt agents, etc as Paul Howe references.

And all of this is done with the assumption that 100 percent of the govt would stay on the side of the govt in such a gun confiscation attempt. And knowing many people in the military and cops, that is a laughable and absurd proposition. Not to mention all of the vets who are far better trained on tactics and calm under fire than the Barney fife types out there who are radically pro gun.

Lastly, I will close with this quote by Col Jeff Cooper, who came up with many of the tactics used by police and military still to this day for gun fighting: “The politicians don’t care about people killing each other with rifles. What scares them about seeing civilians with AR15s and AK47s is imagining them being used against them one day!”

It always amuses me when someone from an almost all white commonwealth nation like the Aussie above brags about their gun bans and then blames gun related crimes on minorities and immigrants.

Just who exactly do you think is doing the gun crime in America? Here is one of many, many examples. A recent study in Chicago found that the non fatal gun violence rates were around 1 per 100k people among whites, 28 per 100k among Hispanics, and 112 per 100k among blacks!

Without getting into possible reasons for that, it just always amazes me that the Aussie and British fascist gun banners think that their situation is in any way comparable to ours. And then when violence is referenced or brought up there, it is always some minority or immigrant that is blamed.

Come take a look at america, where virtually all of the shootings and murder with firearms – now at 20 year lows – take place among Mexican illegal immigrants and inner city blacks who are typically fighting over illegal drug turf. Yeah, if we banned all the white people from having guns in America I am sure that the same minorities who are fighting over the already illlegal drug trade will stop killing each other and it will be just as effective as the war on guns.

In fact, I still remember in the late 90s when states were thinking about adopting conceal carry laws and all the same gun prohibitionists like the Aussie above shouted and screamed that if people were allowed to carry pistols the murder rate would skyrocket. Instead, we have seen the exact opposite – and the gun control movement in America permanently discredited and laughed at for being so wrong. Sarah Brady even had to rename her group, and the media pretend they never said such things. Even Benito Bloomberg has to at least pretend he respects the second amendment and lie about his real goals these days.

It is also why states that have huge levels of firearms in them and are almost all white states have extremely low levels of murder like New Hampshire and Vermont, while areas like DC and Chicago that banned private firearm ownership for decades have astronomical crime. Bloomberg only brought NYC murder rates down because he racially profiled and targeted all non white and Asians for random frisking – something that is a blatant assault on civil liberties, but was able to get away with because he is a liberal.

KLT,

I am not sure why it seems so difficult to believe that one sociopath sees what another – like bush or Obama – does when he wants to solve things and views that in similar fashion. What is different about the California kid killer vs Obama blowing away kids with drones? The only major difference is tens of millions of people jump up and down and celebrate what Obama does.

ATBOTL,

You are absolutely right Bout evangelicals. Speaking as a libertarian Protestant who supported Buchanan and Ron Paul and have not liked anyone else, you really nailed it.

The evangelicals are ridiculous – especially in the South. One would think that Paul and Buchanan would have done well there, but instead the south voted in droves for clowns like Romney and newt – one guy with three wives and the other who bragged about being pro abortion.

Honestly the white evangelicals are pretty much brainwashed and vote in a similar retarded fashion as the blacks. Evangelicals supposedly care about morality, yet they loved newt. They hate abortion, yet loved Romney. I still remember one of the foxnews debates of 2011 when the South Carolina evangelicals actually booed Ron Paul for advocating the Golden Rule! The irony was too much.

Buchanan and Paul both are privately very moral people and have stayed with their wife their whole life – and have never supported abortion. Yet they were overwhelmingly rejected by southern evangelicals for coke heads like bush.

White evangelical voters are just as moronic as black dem voters. Laurence Vance writes about this quite a bit at lewrockwell.com’s blog section. Some of the videos and pictures he has posted of the church worshipping military members is beyond parody. One mega church had people rope in from the multi story ceiling while the band played patriot songs and the members roared with applause for the military they now worship.

I am saying this all as a southern Christian who strongly supported Paul and Buchanan, so it is especially embarassing to me!

How about Hoppe? Can you approach him to write a column for this blog? He is a fascinating guy. A rothbardian libertarian who is against immigration while the state still exists!

In my experience, the two issues that get white people worked up and ready to vote are gun rights and illegal immigration.

It almost sounds as if this guy is somewhat of a combo of pat Buchanan and Ron Paul, which would also go over extremely well with white voters.

Drudge honestly needs to get the most credit for this win after Brat in that New York Times piece – but they are not going to go out of their way to recognize their biggest competitor. The stories he posted about cantor and amnesty over and over went viral. Salon has an article up today bitching about drudge and all the immigration stuff he is posting because obviously the truth scares them and thy know what the voters will do if enough are exposed to it.

As a libertarian in the Rothbard/Hoppe tradition, this thrills me! He is making the exact argument that could destroy the dem party and its voting patterns – pointing out that illegal immigrants make just about all the stuff they like and want worse – income inequality, unemployment, quality of healthcare and schools, etc.

Political gold has been struck. Who else will use this? And apparently even a gigantic spending deficit didnt matter!

By the way, drudge has recently stated he is a libertarian – but he appears to be a Rothbard or Hoppe style libertarian, the best of both worlds. Thank God for drudge!

This may be the watershed moment we look back on for dramatic power shift in the power of the traditional media vs Internet media!

Ron Paul was an exception because he had (and the numbers have grown) millions of kids advocating abolishing huge aspects of the state instead of expanding it. Instead of the constant expansion of the state that just about every other republican advocates, Paul was against all the spending and for slashing govt agencies left and right. While true, Ron was not exactly Vdare on immigration – I have personally seen his followers reject what kids that age typically believe about all sorts of traditionally leftist views. His connecting of the drug war with the wars abroad with the welfare state will eventually pay dividends, but I agree not putting a stop to immigration in the short term is not a strong point.

You may call what Paul said about the drug war “pandering” but I happen to completely agree. Do you think the drug war has been anything other than a disaster? It has resulted in a lot of our civil liberties being destroyed, a police state style militarization of cops, and huge crime and murder rates that are used to justify attacks on the 2nd amendment. He often spoke about the Fed, too – and managed to take an obscure topic and make it very much mainstream. The same Fed that makes possible all of our wars overseas and welfare at home.

If nothing else, Paul defying worship of Israel and a constant warfare state alone is to be commended. While I agree he was not great on immigration, he wasn’t bad. As someone who is constantly emailing my congressman to vote no on all immigration bills, I actually had the same thought that you attack Paul over. Our govt, the fed, and the dollar are all a giant Ponzi scheme, and the cards will collapse at some point. When it does, I actually can see fences being used to keep middle class and up types away from leaving – who would fund the state then?

On the whole, I agree with you – too bad Paul is not like Rothbard or Hoppe on immigration. However, he has created a great deal of future allies on most other issues, and I would bet quite a few come over to the Hoppe side of things like I did.

You may scoff at “only” 50 percent – but I think that stat was pretty amazing considering the way he was trashed every day by the talk radio, neo con websites, mainstream media, and foxnews types. He also showed up in polling consistently as doing the best or second best against Obama for over a year because he polled so well with independents, non voters, and even Dems.

I think there is something potentially huge to combine Paul and Buchanan into an anti establishment movement – it could certainly draw out non GOP types in droves. I believe something close to that just defeated Eric Cantor tonight in the biggest political upset I have ever seen.

I still think the old Murray Rothbard strategy of an alliance with Buchanan types and having a middle class revolt is a great idea and could work well with voters.

Anon,

So you advocate banning firearms from the people who aren’t committing the crimes in hopes that the people who do will stop fighting over drugs that are already illegal? What exactly is your proposal and how do you intend to accomplish this? Following Lincoln’s plan and shipping all the blacks to Africa and Haiti?

Leaving aside that the constitution says you are wrong and could never do this, it would be a miserable failure just like the gun bans in DC and Chicago for decades. All that would result would be a giant increase in crime on a now disarmed white population.

Let’s send over all of our illegal immigrants and blacks from the inner city and see how proud you Aussies still are of your gun bans then! You would be begging for a second amendment within a month or two.

By the way, I can tell you don’t have much actual experience with America if you think the police are here to handle violence. I know someone who defended a home invasion attempt with a firearm and it took the police over twenty minutes to arrive – she would be dead if we had followed your policies. this is actually fairly common throughout the vast majority of the nation aka flyover country, where cops often take a great deal of time to respond bc they are too busy doing drug busts to do anything about real crimes.

Police also have zero legal responsibility to help citizens, as the Supreme Court has ruled multiple times. By the way, on the question of banning all handguns like you advocate, around 75 percent of the public opposes such a measure according to gallup, and probably even more would oppose a ban on everything – so good luck with that.

His campaign manager is a 23 year old who frequently links to lewrockwell.com and is a big fan of Ron Paul. I guess he decided to follow the Hoppe wing of libertarianism and Austrian Econ because he is also strongly against illegal immigration.

I think the anti illegal immigration folks are missing out on the chance for some very intelligent and valuable allies with the young Ron Paul supporters. Engage them and let them know that illegals just make it harder to end the welfare and warfare states – we have a lot of potential allies in that movement, despite what I have seen said by dissident right writers.

Jeff button,

I completely agree. The mindset of allowing the government to have a monopoly on violence is something that subjects think, not citizens. Gee, it is almost as if the Founders thought about how other nations did not trust the people with arms, and were able to spread tyranny as a result. The Father of the Constitution, James Madison, agreed with you in Federalist 46:

“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments,to which the people are attached, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes.

But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.”

Sunbeam,

Sorry for the length of this rant, but I think you touched on some great points. Your first line about libertarians is the problem. Speaking as a libertarian and former conservative, I could just as easily make disparaging remarks about how cons and the “limited govt” idea has no clue about human nature, too. We all have different views, and if we sit around and call each other crazy then nothing gets done other than the state increases in power. I agree with Hoppe that conservatives not of the neo con variety are natural allies for libertarians and vice versa, so that we should work together on defeating the left.

Pointing to one person and asking how many supporters they have is a bit dangerous because someone could just as easily point to pat Buchanan and his run in 2000 and say that 1 percent of the nation agrees with him – or that 47 percent of the nation agrees with romney, when we clearly know that is not true.

Rand Paul is also NOT a libertarian, unlike his father. He is trying to use that to get the support of his father, but he is a political whore who has made backroom deals with the same elites who despise his father like Karl dove. As far as not winning elections, Ron Paul actually campaigned exactly like how he voted for three decades, so at least the people in his district did elect him, albeit a rural Texas district. But how many politicians of any type or party would win a state or national race if they were honest about all their views and voters understood everything? Very, very few – if any.

Ron Paul consistently did as well or better than Romney in head to head polling during the primary season against Obama because he did the best with independents and young people of any republican. He won more youth voters than all the rest of the gop combined, and some voter fraud had to be done in iowa and several other states to prevent him from winning and gaining momentum – just like some of the suspicious vote counting against buchanan in 96. He also received more contributions from military members tham everyone else combined. This was in spite of daily assaults by the neo con talk radio and tv media – the only thing close to that level of intense attack I have seen by the establishment is pat Buchanan in 96. As far as support, I think taking a look at the issues he raised and brought up is a better way to judge his level of support.

And there is no question that issues that were once greatly opposed or completely ignored are now relatively mainstream issues. The Fed used to be something I heard other republicans and talk radio types make fun of Ron Paul over as late as 08,
And now they are all on that bandwagon as well as the public in general. Same goes for domestic spying and war abroad – with way more people on the right opposing those things than in decades.

What person on the right can consistently draw several thousand college students all across the country while preaching about destroying the role of the state? 8k at ucla, 6k at Michigan state, 5k at Texas a&m, and on and on. And despite what clueless neo con talking points say, they aren’t there just for marijuana. If you actually watch or attend a rally you will see the kids cheering an end to the welfare state, foreign wars, and plenty of “end the fed” chants. Not to mention that the kids are actually reading Mises and Rothbard books. The only movement on the right with energy and tons of activist youth supporters are the Ron Paul people – so why not align with them?

Anyway, I would estimate the number of people under the age of 30 or so who has been greatly influenced by Ron Paul to be in the millions. The 23 year old who ran the campaign that dealt the greatest blow ever to amnesty last night is one of them. Even if the numbers were smaller, the angry and dedicated activists are the people who really make great change – not the larger numbers of people on the fence. On gun rights, it would be like the difference between the tiny GOA vs the bloated NRA.

All I am saying is this is a great group of potential allies sight he most intensity and dedication of any political movmement currently going, as last night proved. Instead of just dismissing them out of hand because you don’t agree on every aspect, why not seek out alliances and see how many can be persuaded to have a Hoppe position on immigration?

As far as the claims by countenance, they may be true about rand, but are most certainly not true about Ron. While Ron was no Buchanan on immigration, he also consistently opposed all the amnesty stuff. You are incorrect. I also discussed your laughable view on the kids only liking pot – I guess all those military members sent him more donations than all of the rest of the gop bc they wanted to get high, right? You have never even watched a YouTube video of one of his rallies, let alone witnessed one in person or interacted with the actual people. Instead you just repeat regime media talking points.

I already specifically responded to the standard argument above. But to paraphrase, you are thinking in terms of direct “fair” conflict instead of 4GW. The british in the colonies, the soviets in afghan, and the americans in vietnam and currently in afghanistan – where “pee shooters” seem to be doing pretty well against advanced american technology – all thought the same way as you. You are also making the same mistake as the american military who bragged about winning all of the battles in vietnam – wars are not tactical, they are political in nature.

Also, the problem that those who side with the government have is they think that guerilla war is about winning. It isn’t about winning, but just making things so ugly for the other side that they lose the will to fight – just as Vietnam did to america, afghan is currently doing to america, afghan did to the soviets, and the southern colonies in particular did to the British.

Do you feel the american govt could just go in and crush dissent by going door to door and confiscating firearms, as pretty much everyone with your view does? Here is an actual expert on such things, Delta Force member made famous from his experience in Black Hawk Down on how the government would be crushed if it tried such a thing:

http://blog.wilsoncombat.com/paul-howe/2nd-amendment-and-the-kool-aid-drinkers-by-paul-howe/

Check it out if you – if you read between the lines, what he says is very much a terrifying prospect for would be tyrants in government as long as citizens are armed.

Did you read the Paul Howe article? And do you think the American govt could confiscate arms going door to door? A delta force guy who has fought against guerrillas is about as good an opinion as possible on the subject.

As far as your points about rebellions that have been put down – what they all had in common was an attempt to fight in a traditional sense. If two armies meet and fight in a traditional manner and one is vastly superior, the superior army will obviously win.

But when guerrilla style tactics were used – like the colonies in the South after they seceded from British rule – then things change dramatically. The only exception to this was the Indians, but they actually help make the point for me – they were largely disarmed and did not have the ability to shoot back, and they were wildly outnumbered. The colonies, the afghans, the Vietnamese all suffered crushing defeat after defeat in battle – and yet all of them forced the other side to lose their will to keep fighting bc war is political, not tactical.

Tet was a major military defeat for the Vietnamese, but a political humiliation for the US. Ditto with the Black Hawk Down incident in Somalia. The military objective was achieved, but it resulted in America pulling out bc of political reasons. What do you think reaction will be when video makes it online of innocent Americans being droned to death?

As far as today’s society, you are right that most people are lazy and worthless. But even in colonial days, around a 1/3 supported fighting the British and a fraction of that did the actual fighting – probably in the single digits of the population. There are millions of military vets who are either combat vets or trained. Even assuming everyone in the military and police went along – which is not even close to being accurate – with attacking the people, the govt would still be outnumbered. Also, Compared to the Vietnamese and afghans, Americans are much, much better trained on military tactics and have light years better skill with firearms – it is not even close. Remember, there are who knows how many millions of vets who know govt tactics on fighting guerrillas already.

Lastly, the point about govts using drones is very relevant to the Paul Howe blog entry. Where will the drone fly out of? How will the base get supplies? How are they sure things like power and water will remain online? What neighborhood does the drone operator live in? Where does his family live? How will the govt agents protect their houses and families who live off base?

The gigantic disadvantage of a military living in the same area it is conquering is that the same tactics they use can easily be used against them at times and places the people pick. How can that be defended? A fatass mediocre cop terrified and tied up the entire lapd after he went after them, and two skinny kids literally had an entire city shut down with martial law and hundreds of cops and tanks looking for them – imagine what a few million vets and good civilian marksmen would do?

In CT, a police officer shared your views and joked about how he would take guns and kick down doors for fun if he was ever given the order. When it was publicized on the Internet, the result was the cop getting around the clock protection from other cops and his chief admitted that the guy and the whole dept was terrified of being a target – hammers don’t usually like being turned into nails – and they begged the gun rights people to forgive the guy after they apologized.

They were scared bc they had no idea how many, what time, or what location a possible attack could come from. Magnify that by a few million, throw in Internet video of innocent people being slaughtered via drone to piss off millions more people, and then you have a nasty and bloody war the government could never win.

Rand Paul was compromised a while back. Either in persuing power he is doing whatever rove says or his NSA file was shared with the right people. I am only half joking about the NSA stuff – someone in DC may very well have blackmail on him, but it is prob just more ends justify the means nonsense in a quest for power.

Economicpolicyjournal.com has done a hilarious job of documenting this over the last year or so, and pointing out how he keeps calling himself a libertarian but isn’t anywhere close to one on issue after issue. Others have speculated he is doing the “zig zag” maneuver of politics like Obama did. Either way, no one trusts a Benedict Arnold. The neocon elites won’t ever trust Ron Paul’s son and his fathers supporters are tired of him talking like a foxnews anchor.

He endorsed McConnell and Collins (!), yet has stayed out of the Mississippi race. Unlike his father, who endorsed the anti amnesty challenger over Cochran. I agree – this is an absolutely moronic move to come right after amnesty was rejected in the most radical way possible. This has to be Karl Rove behind this crap.

Yeah, we all know that republican primary voters sure hate Jews. They certainly don’t worship Israel and cast out anyone who dares question Israel’s war crimes and apartheid like buchanan or ron paul. I mean those talk radio and foxnews types just won’t shut up about the USS liberty or Jonathan pollard! They definitely don’t stage entire foreign policy discussions around us troops being killed to protect Israel or anything, either.

WW2 did not save anything – unless you ignore opportunity cost and think that huge GDP numbers mean strong economy (like the Soviet Union right before collapse). The economy did not recover until after WW2 when govt spending was dramatically cut and people could actually be productive and not be in a command economy again. Food and gas rations at home during the war does not spell out “recovery.” Don’t fall for the krugman Keynesian nonsense.

It is just like when politicians lose office because of gun control. According to the elites and their mouthpieces in the media, it is never actually about gun rights. It is always other issues that had nothing to do with pissing off gun activists. At most, the dreaded “nra” will get the blame, even when they had nothing to do with anything.

http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/11_1/11_1_1.pdf

Immigration stuff starts on page six

Here is a real libertarian view on immigration, culture, open borders, and how masses of strangers can change things. Rothbard also advocated not giving immigrants the right to vote.

Rothbard literally created the modern day libertarian movement by combining the economics of Mises with an anti war and anti police state theory. I am tired of Koch brother funded and liberals pretending to be libertarian claiming that libertarians favor open borders. Mr libertarian himself did not!

http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/11_1/11_1_1.pdf

Anyone who is interested in what the founder of the modern day libertarian movmement had to say about immigration should check this out. Hint: Murray Rothbard was against open borders, and did not want immigrants to even have the right to vote.

Too many leftists and Koch backed sissy boys calling themselves libertarians say that libertarianism means open borders. The next time some effeminate Cato guy says that, respond with this link!

This will be better than all of the nba games of all time put together! You don’t piss off an angry Jewish billionaire and expect to get away with it!

Gdbull,

I am a libertarian as well, have attended mises related events and been an austrian for over a decade, and the people talking about free trade and free immigration always make me cringe. The article I linked to shows Rothbard explaining that in a totally free society without a state that immigration would be closed – only if someone is invited by a private property owner and whatever equivalent of a homeowner’s agreement that the private community has. These are essentially the same arguments Hoppe makes, as he has picked up the Rothbard mantle better than anyone.

So why should it be open with the nation state? Especially with a welfare state and voting making it possible to increase the theft of private property of the actual producers in the county. I liked the points Rothbard made about watching Russians being encouraged to mass migrate to smaller nations to destroy their culture and Russianize it after the fall of the Soviet Union – sort of like Mexicans are doing now.

I really like the idea of not allowing immigrants the right to vote, as Rothbard pointed out approvingly that Switzerland does – which is why their culture has not really changed and the govt is really small and weak by western standards.

Another fun fact: Rothbard actually came up with the Cato institute name in his brief stint with the Koch brothers before they fired him and took his stock. Rothbard quickly picked up on what weasels the Koch brothers were and publicly criticized them for compromising and selling out their values.

The two things that elites never, ever point out when ranting about income ineauality’s explosion since the early 70s:

1. Nixon removing the last link to the gold standard, thereby allowing the Fed to engage in policies that helped out the 1% at the expense of everyone else

2. The effects of mass immigration lowering wages and straining hospitals, schools, jails, thereby raising taxes and lowering productivity and potential capital for new businesses paying higher wages

Actually wilkey, true private property rights would solve that problem. The issue is lack of private property rights – which is why the government can invite in millions of illegals, and the govt can ban racial discrimination via neighborhood contracts which also is an attack on private property.

Despite your accusations of brain washing, it is the very lack of respect for private property that causes the problems you are complaining about.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/report-sterling-already-has-dirt-on-nba.html?m=1

Hilarious! Sterling already has dirt on nba refs making racial comments and has bad dirt on at least one nba owner.

Cleveland tv reports on a “possible” hate crime of a 10 year old white girl by a 13 year old black girl. The black girl was staring at the camera at the start, then attacked the girl on the bike as she drive by and kept hitting her over and over. Even the Cleveland tv media called it a possible hate crime, which is a big step up from ignoring it.

They were dumb enough to post the whole thing to YouTube which this tv report showed over and over. The grandma for the black family used the phrase, “it will all come out in court” so I am guessing this is not the family’s first brush with the law.

Sebastian,

A lot of it depends on which style of libertarianism the person is exposed to. For Cato and George mason types, they are just cosmopolitan leftists who want slightly less govt. Same is true for the Milton Friedman Chicago school, which bratt is a member of – so it is surprising to see how he campaigned. Thanks to Friedman, we have the govt taking taxes out of each check instead of a quarterly filing, and also the earned income tax credit.

Eith very few exceptions, the only branch of libertarianism I have seen attack the chamber of commerce or how often big business gets special favors and protection bc of govt are the Austrian school types like the Mises Institute. They are associated with people like Ron Paul, Hoppe, and Murray Rothbard.

Murray Rothbard was the modern day founder of the libertarian movement, and was the first person who combined being anti war with pro civil liberties along with Austrian Econ – basically applying non intervention across all three major aspects of the state.

And he did that sort of thing all the time, just like how he praised the Bell Curve and opposed mass immigration. But why would mainstream media types go out of their way to point that out? They prefer to present Koch backed Cato types as the face of libertarianism just as the same media presents moronic neo cons as the true conservatives instead of someone like pay Buchanan or Sam Francis. It has to do with an intentional attempt to water down and change the meaning of a term and movement since both paleo cons and Rothbard type libertarians are true threats to the regime and the elites.

Nba fan,

If sterling was on good terms with Cuban, or at least appreciated him being the one and only owner to defend him, then he could always try and obtain the results of an investigation Cuban had done on nba refs by a former FBI agent after the 2006 nba finals.

The FBI agent said Cuban had enough to sue the league in court and win about crooked nba refs. I would not be surprised if this was the real source of how Tim donaghy was caught, not a random wire tap on a Mafia guy bragging about an nba ref on the payroll.

I think Cuban did not sue the league because the results would have destroyed his main asset, an nba team. If people knew now crooked the nba was and how much nonsense went on from the refs, the ratings would collapse. We are already at a point in America where the World Cup gets better ratings than the nba finals, which tells you most white nba fans who watched in the 90s have checked out. I believe the finals are down four million from last year alone, while soccer will probably get a record high.

Anyway, to get back on track, I think Donaghy is telling the truth that he is far from the only ref who gambled on the game and ran up a lot of debt. He also said that the nba wanted refs to make certain calls to favor certain players and stretch out a playoff series for a game six or seven when possible.

Hiding behind slogans to avoid science? Sort of reminds me of the left on gun laws, crime and race, iq and race, race and gender being a social construct, throwing money at govt schools, basic economics, affirmative actions, etc

Too bad we didn’t listen to Ron Paul. Instead, we listened to the NY Times, Cheney, Karl rove, Hillary, Biden, will kristol, and dubya.

Agree with everything above, but don’t neglect 2016 democrat nominee Hillary Clinton for her role in convincing the public that Iraq had WMDs. The votes that she and Biden cast to go to war look especially ridiculous now.

Good article, but amash is hardly the next Ron Paul. For one thing, he always votes for the spending appropriation bills – which Paul never did.

He is still better than 99 percent of congress though, but that isn’t saying much.

Yup. Ron paul said that from the beginning because governments almost always lie to start wars. Funny how the smartest woman on the planet, Hillary Clinton, could not see that when she and the current VP voted for the Iraq war. Crazy old Ron Paul voted against it and did not believe the ny times!

Cowen is not a libertarian. He is about as libertarian as Karl rove or will Kristol is conservative – Pat Buchanan or Sam Francis are conservatives.

He is a combo of both of the major school of frauds calling themselves libertarians – the Milton Friedman Chicago school and the Koch backed George mason school in DC.

With very few exceptions, the only real libertarians, as defined by Murray Rothbard – who created the movement – are related to the Austrian school and the Mises Institute because they abide by the Non Aggression Principle. These other clowns want to call themselves libertarians bc it does not come with the baggage of liberalism, Keynesianism, progressivism, etc. it also makes it very easy to co opt the movement that is a threat to the state to pretend to be those people and water it down – just like how “conservative” has changed dramatically in a few decades.

Here is Tyler cowen being bitch slapped by an Austrian economist and real libertarian:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/a-challenge-to-tyler-cowen.html?m=1

The Austrians have long know what a fraud Tyler Cowen is. He calls himself a libertarian, yet sides with people like krugman and and frequently shows and embarrassing ignorance of some basic economic theory of the Austrians. The only question is whether he does this on purpose to appease the elites and stay in the NY times club, or if he is just clueless and gets credit for being smart bc he is in the elite.

He is part of the Koch brothers backed George mason school, so he could very well be doing this all on purpose. Here are some funny examples:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/what-kind-of-libertarian-are-you/

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/12/tyler-cowen-rips-ron-paul-lew-rockwell.html?m=1

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/tyler-cowens-vicious-attack-on-ron-paul.html?m=1

Countenance,

I was really posting that to demonstrate that the guy who calls himself a libertarian has never been one, and enjoys attacking the people who actually are.

You claimed on another thread that Ron Paul is for amnesty and open borders, yet that was one specific reason Tyler Cowen attacked Ron Paul and the Mises libertarians in comparison with the open borders Cato group. Do you have anything to document that ron favors amnesty and open borders that he actually said or did, or is this just your opinion? His idiot son doesn’t count because he does and says all sorts of stupid things.

I know this weekend Ron spent time campaigning for McDaniel against Cochran, which is hardly the thing am amnesty advocate would do.

I could just as easily play the “what they have in common” with Tyler Cowen and conservatives on things they have in common when it comes to Keynesian economics, the police state, foreign war, etc.

None of the Hipsters I know are anything but leftists, so I really doubt the hipsters are suddenly becoming Mark Fuhrman.

The stuff about how whites don’t know about police abuse is equally ridiculous. Not a day goes by without all sorts of outrageous stories involving the police state. Maybe the police a couple decades ago only targeted blacks, but everyone is a victim for the Barney Fifes playing commando these days.

Steve,

I still remember reading your Vdare column after the 2000 election on my trusty old dial up 56k connection. I used to read Sam Francis columns in my old newspaper and remember his column referencing the new Vdare.com website.

The hard hitting journalists in DC and New York were only a decade and a half behind you!

Besides immigration, what other issues could bring out the white vote in droves? The only one I can think of that is easy to prove is the gun rights issue.

Istevefan,

Is that really proven to have worked like we know guns and immigration have? I remember pat using it a lot in 96 and 2000, but I wonder how many of the union Dems would really vote for a GOP type against a Dem simply bc they are for protectionist tariffs. Aren’t they also going to balance that out with how much sweeter the deals and bailouts and exemptions unions get from Dem Presidents? I do think immigration and guns could break up the union voting patterns in the Midwest though. There is also the issue throughout the south of how many non union people have great jobs working for foreign car companies who always vote against unionizimg and don’t support tariffs. Was that why pat struggled in South Carolina and the southern states in 96? No one has ever explained that to me considering he should have won all of the south for being so good on guns and abortion.

I thought about it some more and know the NSA stuff, the drug war, foreign war, and auditing the fed are all things really popular with younger people, but all of those except the fed audit movement may end up costing more votes from old white voters than whatever young ones they bring in. The anti fed stuff has essentially been adopted by all of talk radio these days after they spent years mocking Ron Paul over it, so it appears to be popular both in polling and among GOP base.

Maybe someone could combine immigration, war, and auditing the fed all into one populist attack on DC? Sort of combining Buchanan and Ron Paul’s assault on dc similar to how brat did, but I don’t remember hearing him reference the Fed at all since the Chicago school of Econ generally loves it.

Just brainstorming here.

Recovering Austrian,

Yeah, it is a good thing that the current Keynesian system isn’t already doing exactly what you accuse Austrians, who have zero power, of doing! You also have the fact that so many of the (fill in the blank) schools accurately predicted the housing bubble and what would result! I mean it isn’t as if that caught just about everyone but the Austrians by surprise, right?

Please. Nothing destroys the middle class worse or favors big business worse than the monopoly the Fed has to control monetary policy.

You working for Cowen and making a comment like that is not surprising at all. The man writes book reviews and judges books by reading a few pages and skimming parts of it! His latest claims that war helps the economy and innovation are hilarious! He is right up there with krugman in being an incompetent fraud.

Someone showed Hillary the Steve Sailer posts about how whites are a lot more important than hispanics for winning elections. She doesn’t exactly fire up the black folk either, so she needs to not get destroyed on the white vote like Obama did.

Off topic, but I thought of you when I read this, Steve. The German coach of the American soccer team instituted a lot of changes, but one of them was IQ tests – maybe that is why he decided to leave Landon Donovan off the team? It might also explain why the US finally beat Ghana, who eliminated the US the last two World Cups.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/usa/10901944/USA-World-Cup-2014-fever-shows-popularity-of-soccer-is-growing.html

“Klinsmann has certainly done things differently. Claiming a higher salary and wielding more control than any previous US head coach, Klinsmann has instilled elite levels of preparation and diligence into the squad. Yoga and blood tests are mandatory. Aptitude tests determine players’ IQ and decision-making skills. A couple of years ago, he took the whole squad to a Whole Foods supermarket so they could receive a lecture on nutrition. Players have been taught to create their own video analysis on laptops.”

Inflation is only 2 percent as long as you don’t eat food from the grocery store or restaurants.

One problem in the analysis about how well Hillary will do with whites because of this is Hillary just spouted off a lot more ignorance about guns. That is exactly what her and her husband did in the 90s that turned the South GOP, majority of governors GOP, and lost the Dems the congress for the first time in decades.

Most of the problems the Dems face today politically with how comgressional districts favor the GOP and how most state congresses and governors are GOP can all trace back to Bubba and Hillary being gun banners.

I know lifelong Dems who switched and voted for the GOP because of that one issue alone. Hillary showed some political smarts by talking about deportation, but some amazing political stupidity by claiming gun rights people are a vocal minority holding everyone else hostage. Even openly anti gun media sources have polling that contradicts this in poll after poll from orgs like the Washington post and Gallup.

Bubba tried to warn the Dems who were later recalled in Colorado that it doesn’t matter what polls may show – just like he learned the hard way in 94 when the polls showed support for the Brady Bill – the gun people get out and vote. He advised leaving the issue alone for state and national Dems, saying that gore lost in 2000 bc of the gun issue costing Gore his own home state, Clinton’s home state, all the southern states, and Colorado. What was unspoken is that it is whites who come out to vote, which will really hurt Hillary in the swing states that Obama won.

I have to think her husband gave her the advice on immigration, and she came up with the nonsense about guns on her own. Even Obama was smart enough to avoid talking about guns until after he did not have to run for re election again. Rahm Emmanuel is given the credit for that one from everything I have read.

For those wanting a funny comedian who is unafraid of making jokes about gays and race, Norm Macdonald is your man. He is amazing!

I watched the video of him on Dan Patrick saying that modern county music is the kind of stuff that Michael Sam listens to, and that had Sam been taken in the first round we might have seen anal insertion instead of just a kiss. Dan Patrick looked terrified and made sure to distance himself bc of the gay mafia.

I also liked Norm telling the Portland newspaper that it is easy to have liberal policies when no blacks are around. I watched his great YouTube podcast the other day interviewing Carl Reiner. Reiner was talking about the red scare and how mere accusations ruined careers – then norm asked if that was not like being accused of racism these days.

Seriously, norm has not lost anything from his SNL years where he was fired for being too edgy, and making the stupid skits they did look lame in comparison. His joke about Lisa Marie Presley being more of a stay at home mom and Michael Jackson being more of a homosexual pedophile causing their divorce still makes me cry from laughter today!

He also made a great point when interviewing fred Willard. He said that the writers of the Archie bunker character were trying to make him the bad guy, but that everyone who was not a liberal sided with Bunker because he is far more likeable and made better sense than his son. And then he added, “or maybe I am just a racist.” He is hilarious and it is so refreshing to hear funny jokes about race with zero PC nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NormMacdonaldLive

Yakov,

I agree. Anyone, regardless of religion or lack thereof, is crazy these days to not home school. Schools are awful, just awful at everything except dumbing down kids and brainwashing them.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/07/current-free-immigration-policy-is.html?m=1

Hoppe has a brilliant essay on our current immigration policy and how horrible it is from a libertarian perspective.

I don’t have sat or cable and I found watching World Cup games on my phone to be far more entertaining on Univision bc the announcers scream and girate over every little event. The espn announcers are usually way too reserved and boring. The Univision guys were like some sort of show that would be watched on King of the Hill – highly entertaining, but maybe not for the intended reasons!

For those who have not seen it, check out the hilarious twitter parody of Salon that I honestly can’t tell the difference from the real salon account.

Twitter.com/salondotcom

It is so well done that I wonder if Patton Oswalt is doing it bc it reminds me a lot of his twitter war with them last year. It is very, very well done and has me laughing hard.

The Silicon Valley types are very selective with their “libertarianism.” They would recoil in horror after a few minutes of convo with Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, or Hoppe on the natural right of private property and freedom to discriminate based on any reason. Heck, the ny times went ballistic over Walter Block saying the same thing. Some of those leftists calling themselves libertarians even claimed Mises would be a feminist – the same guy who referred to homosexuals as “perverse.”

And as the above comment pointed out, how crazy would these effeminate types be at seeing the average redneck American’s collection of AR and AK rifles, and how those same rednecks can easily outshoot 95 percent of government agents. They would be horrified!

Great article. I always get a good laugh reading the claims of neo-cons and leftists about how Lincoln was some sort of equal rights guru. It ignores how he wanted to ship all blacks, regardless of slave status, out of America to Haiti, Liberia, or “anywhere but here.” It ignores how he proposed a constitutional amendment forever allowing slavery, or his decades of statements about how inferior the negro race was to the white man.

I mean even using today’s standards on “racism” the old Presidents who even had slaves were not this bad! Wanting to round up and ship out to random nations people who were born and raised here just because they were of African blood?

The people who believe that also seem to believe that the Emancipation Proclamation “freed the slaves” somehow. And none of them ever read the actual document, which excludes down to the county level basically anyone under northern control.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Salondotcom/status/492459083648466945

The salon parody twitter account is back up. Hilarious that they had to put parody in the name and change the logo because so many people were confusing it with the real Salon. This is prob my fav of the new tweets up so far, insisting that it should be a hate crime if someone refuses to have sex with a transgender once they find out they werent originally a woman. Notice in the responses how many angry liberals get mad!

Thanks to the Fed and central banking, most of us not connected with the 1 percent have diminished purchasing power. Just remember this the next time Krugman or some other clown talks about how great inflation is for the people and the economy.

http://www.examiner.com/article/threat-to-gun-rights-of-accepting-illegal-immigrants-largely-ignored?CID=examiner_alerts_article

Off topic: one of the two bloggers who broke and kept alive the Fast and Furious story has a great article about the importance of illegal immigration to the gun rights movement, and asking the NRA why they are silent on this issue. Polls show the illegals are 7 to 1 against gun rights, so the gun control crowd has realized instead of losing battles against white voters, they can just import third world gun banners and win these fights in a decade or two that they almost always lose among white voters. This is exactly why Bloomberg the gun banner is pushing the amnesty stuff so much – he knows the gun control movement loses more ground every year among Americans, so the only way to win is alter the demographics of the voters.

This should be shown to every pro gun person out there who is for amnesty. Even if they think other aspects of mass immigration won’t affect them, it will eventually take away their gun rights.

For those who claim to be libertarian, pro gun, and pro amnesty, tell them to check out what the founder of the modern day libertarian moevement had to say about mass immigration:

http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/11_1/11_1_1.pdf

Hint: Rothbard opposed it, and explains why starting on page six.

For those saying how Hollywood tv shows are just catering to gays and black women, that is mostly true. But do yourself a favor and check out justified. Elmore Leonard said it was his best book adaptation, even more than Jackie brown.

I have tried to figure out why it gets dissed at the Emmy Awards every year, but maybe this discussion has helped explain why. I had thought it was bc the characters are from the south and guns are portrayed postively, but maybe race has more to do with it. The main character arrests and shoots lots of black criminal types, for one thing. He has had convos with other blacks where he is blunt with them and does not feel guilty or bow down to them – whether it is a fellow Marshal or criminal types he outsmarts and outfights.

Seriously, check it out. I have watched The Wire, Sopranos, breaking bad, etc and none come as close to being as good as Justified. Best dialogue I have ever seen on tv, amazing acting all around, amazing writing and directing, and the performance of Margo martindale in season 2 is the best acting I have ever seen on tv. This is the first show I have ever seen that actually has real southern accents that are accurate, not to mention nailing the clothing and general look of the typical criminal and lower class white types.

I also think it is a bit weird and scary for the effeminate Hollywood studio people to portray white criminals and none criminal types as being badasses. I have noticed on justified discussion on social media where a lot of Hispanic and black females will say how they aren’t used to seeing white characters like this and admit to being attracted to Walton goggins and Tim olyphant for their swagger and exact opposite or pretty boy or gay characters Hollywood likes to portray for whites.

I have said this before, but discussion like this always reminds me of it. Obviously the commenters on this site are aware of how immigration and affirmative action policies can draw out the white vote when made into a political issue. But the other one that manages to drive whites – and even Hispanics in the Colorado recalls – to the polls in droves is the gun rights issue.

Want to make the GOP the white party and destroy the demographics advantage for the Dems? Bring up the gun issue over and over. Turn it into the “war on gun owners” mantra and force the Dems to be on the defense. Suddenly states like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc will switch and vote for the GOP. States like Vermont and Mass would require more than just gun rights bc of how heavily Dem they are, but the above are all relatively close and typically within single digits in presidential elections. There is a surprising number of somewhat liberal and working class union types who are very pro gun. That could be the way to end the Dem dominance of the Midwest just like Nixon broke up the south, but it would have to be an offensive line of attack from the GOP and not just defensive as they are now.

What I am saying is backed up by recent history like the 1994, 2000, and recent CO recall elections. It is also backed up by polling from Gallup and the Washington post. The wa post poll from a couple months ago mentioned how Dems were the party picked that govern closest to their views on almost every issue except gun control.

The recall elections are a really interesting thing to study. The pueblo district has a huge Hispanic population and voted for Obama by 20 points the year before, yet the Dem was blown out by 12 points against someone who had never run for office before while having at least a 6 to 1 spending advantage. Around 1/3 of Dems voted to recall Angela Giron bc she voted for a bg check and mag ban law. Now in Colorado the governor and senator who were thought to be sure things for re-election are in statistical ties in the polling in a state that is all blue.

This is another issue that could not only drive up the white vote but also fracture the Dem caucus. What other event besides the gun issue has had so many Dems vote against Dems? Only immigration is close, and guns could reach whites who don’t think immigration would affect them.

Expat,

Thanks for the info. I had no idea Sanders used a gun control vote to take out his fellow Dem. That really helps my case I made above – the gun rights issue is powerful in even the deepest blue state. Just imagine if the pro gun rights and anti amnesty types combined into one message of attack against the Dems? The NRA is totally silent on the issue, but the far more effective GOA has been going ballistic over amnesty for the last year, and they have been a big part of helping stop amnesty this far by framing the issue as an assault on gun rights.

If Dems were put on the defensive in the blue states over both guns and immigration, I believe the wedge driven into them would destroy their party with only a few exceptions like New York and San Fran. No one thought two state senators would be recalled in Colorado for the first time ever – especially in two 20 point Obama districts – and no one thought the House majority leader would lose his primary. I also wish the anti immigration types could organize like the gun groups do to the point of terrifying politicians and literally making public opinion do a 180 in the last two decades on gun rights.

At the very least, it would allow someone who might be liberal on other issues to defeat a fellow gun banner Dem. I do remember Dean and think that he would have probably defeated bush bc of his pro gun record, unlike Kerry. I believe Vermont does not even require a license to conceal carry, just like Wyoming and Alaska.

Twinkie,

Why did Asians stop voting for the GOP? I always just assumed they were republicans until 2012 when I found out they were part of the Obama coalition, which completely shocked me. 100 percent of the Asians I have known in real life were the exact opposite of all the feminist and racist msnbc style crap. I know why Hispanics and blacks vote for the Dems, but why would the people who are honestly more “white” than most white Americans these days?

Just imagine if millions of eastern euros were immigrating here illegally! Having been around a few of then, they are like American men from the 1950s. I don’t think they would be too sympathetic to the transphobic crisis or Lakwanza’s EBT card being stolen.

The Dems would suddenly sound like Pat Buchanan about immigration and demand a wall be put up. But what about the billionaires backing amnesty? I know they are accused of just wanting cheap labor, but I don’t think they would want millions of far right new voters on their hands, no matter how cheap the labor.

Actually, strength based positions and sports tend to be dominated by whites. Even the speed aspect is changing before our eyes, and blacks are forced into a far more narrow realm of positions like cornerback in the NFL.

Some examples:

What black American heavyweight boxers have anywhere close to the hand speed or strength of the Klitchkos? What black fighters had the same foot or hand speed as Calzaghe? Even RJJ’s trainer was forced to admit before their fight that it was the first time Roy had ever fought someone with equal hand speed and foot speed in his entire career. At middleweight, zero black American fighters have the hand speed or strength that Golovkin does, albeit he is a white and Asian mix of races. The American black fighters like Hopkins and many others always seemed shocked to encounter people like calzaghe who are both mentally and physically stronger than they are compared to the American whites they are used to dealing with in sports.

In the track and field events that involve strength, the whites tend to dominate. The same is true for world class wrestling, especially the more strength based Greco style. In football, offensive linemen tend to be white. Even among the new breed of QBs, Luck is much larger and far stronger than RG3, but almost as fast in sprinting and probably faster in a functional manner in games bc of better intelligence.

My theory? Decades of racial discrimination against whites that was partially based on reality and partly on stereotype, but the reality aspect is mostly based upon how much quicker blacks develop than whites. Whites tend to be late bloomers compared to blacks, which means they get all of the early scouting and coaching while many talented whites may just end up quitting. As Steve has pointed out, whites not raised in America seem to do just fine in the nba, not to mention how they dominate boxing at the middleweight and up classes these days.

Ask anyone who has grappled or boxed at a high level and they will tell you that there is a definite difference between the races. Blacks in grappling tend to be fast but lack what is described as “mat strength” in grappling, which is why whites tend to dominate at the highest levels of Olympic wrestling. Blacks are able to get into positions, but are usually overpowered by the strength advantage of whites. The same is true in boxing, where blacks often are very quick, but on average punch with far less impact and power than whites. Far more blacks tend to have glass jaws for whatever reason, too.

Oscar de la Hoya once got into huge trouble for saying black fighters have no heart compared to whites and Mexicans, but he was basically correct with very few exceptions – at least in the modern era. At heavyweight, I can only think of Holyfield and Foreman as having true heart by any standards in the last fifteen years or so of top level boxing.

Lets just say that a much shorter list of top athletes in most of the main sports would be those who are not doing steroids or something similar. Tiger Woods absolutely has done his share of something. Probably he has done hgh if I had to guess.

The reason that bodies break down so dramatically is that instead of cycling on and off, a lot of three athletes get addicted to the surge of making huge gains and being able to train much harder and longer than before. They don’t take into account that the more stress they put on tendons and joints, the more likely it is for their body to completely break down in the future. Muscle groups usually don’t have a problem increasing in strength quickly, but the joints and tendons supporting them do. They essentially stay at the same strength while muscle groups get much stronger, putting all sorts of stress and pressure on tendons and joints that would not take place otherwise.

A lot of this could be mitigated if the people would cycle off for a few cycles and only do hgh for a cycle to get over plateaus, but that rarely happens with Type As.

For traits of steroid/hgh abuse, take a look at things like:

Hat size increasing as an adult
Shoe size increasing as an adult
Height increasing as an adult
The ability to add large amounts of muscle in short time frames as an adult
Frequent injuries and constant nagging health problems relating to joints, tendons, ligaments
Water retention – and those who go off cycle for a while fan quickly lose large amounts of water weight and look drastically different (but they might just say they got off carbs for the summer)

No, American coaches do not teach to avoid head punches against black fighters and go to the body instead! Where on earth did you hear this? I am someone who trained with a legit world class fighter for years and this never came up, though I did watch him destroy a number of black American fighters to the point that they refused to spar with him.

The state of coaching in America is so poor that body punching isn’t really taught effectively anyway. What is taught when fighting most black American heavyweights is what the Euro fighters who dominate them do: basic fundamentals like the jab because American black fighters basically don’t have those skills anyway. Furthermore, black American fighters are more likely than any race to be complete curs and stop fighting when they are in there with someone better than them. I don’t know how many times I have seen this personally in sparring or amatuer fights.

You are dismissing the klitchkos because they have done steroids? Then you need to dismiss pretty much all sports, including boxers like Tyson and Lewis. Regardless, the klitchkos have tremendous skill and athleticism that mere steroids alone could not create. They also are quicker and stronger than all of the American black fighters they take on – so much for black superior genetics! There is one recent guy though who had zero signs of steroids, and that is Calzaghe. He destroyed all the black Americans he fought without much trouble.

Holmes himself has said the klitchkos would have destroyed him, just like Hagler said calzaghe would more than hold his own with his great era of fighters. Looking back through history, the worst matchup for the Klitchkos would have been Dempsey. The Ali and Liston type fighters would have been destroyed against the klitchkos. It is no coincidence that three fighters were not raised in America and are not brainwashed into thinking they are inferior just like the sailer nba analysis has shown.

Yes, Liston was a tough guy in the one example you cite. But of fighters today, blacks tend to be knocked out at higher rates because of poor chins than the other races. Lennox Lewis, Floyd Mayweather, Paul Williams, and plenty of other examples are proof of this. I think maybe you need to watch the sport today compared to whatever you watched in the 70s – the free flow of former soviet bloc fighters and other Europeans dominating the Americans has been eye opening to the black supremacist crowd.

It should also be remembered that even in the late 60s/early 70s that everyone cites as the best heavy era, they did not have to compete against Cuban or soviet bloc fighters. The Cuban heavyweight alone would have destroyed Ali within a few rounds bc he was better and more powerful at everything all did with much higher technical skill, for instance.

If race realists want to win the PR war, then take a page out of the gun debate playbook and drag people like this out and have their story delivered over and over to middle America. Political debates are won at the emotional, not intellectual level, every time in our Idiocracy nation.

No matter how bad crime stats are, that won’t change the majority of the minds that cases like this will. It is just like how many whites didnt seem to care about immigration until thousands of “kids” started being dumped into their towns – now suddenly they are pat Buchanan types.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_Greco-Roman_wrestling

Check out the actual winners of Olympic medals in Greco wrestling. Yes, there might be an exception here and there with a Cuban winning a couple medals, but for the vast majority of time it appears to be white wrestlers. The cubans also have the excellent soviet coaching system and put a grrat deal of resources into events like this and boxing. But even in thr superheavy class that a cuban won in the last two olympics, it was dominated by whites for decades before and the other top finishers even in these last two events tended to be white. It is like pointing out Peyton Hillis or the Stanford running back as proof that the RB position in the nfl is not dominated by blacks: exceptions don’t prove the rule.

Tyson, like Holyfield, was well known in boxing circles to have very strong links to PEDs. No big secret there. Even RJJ was dumb enough to test positive for steroids once.

Just off the top of my head, here are some examples in recent boxing about blacks having weak jaws:

Floyd Maywewther has a horrible chin for a top level fighter

Lennox Lewis always had a bad chin even in his prime – a guy who was literally a crack head knocked him out with one punch

Roy Jones Jr had a really bad chin to the point that a journeymen light heavy almost killed him with one punch years ago. I was watching live and thought Glenn Johnson had killed him in all seriousness!

So those are the best black middleweight, welterweight, and heavyweight fighters of the last decade and all of them have awful chins. It is also why they all had so many boring fights where they played it safely even against mediocre opposition.

If anything, things are getting worse. The best American prospect at heavy is Deontay Wilder, and he has a worse chin than everyone above. There is video on YouTube of an amateur fight where a much smaller Russian brutally knocks him out with what appears to be a half decent shot, but nothing special. Deontay also was knocked down by some tomato can who had about as many wins as losses. It is why he is fighting people in his 30th pro fight who most good prospects take on in their first five or six, and even then he doesnt look all that great. Also, a number of the fights look very suspicious in nature with how the opponent goes down.

Even after wladamir retires, black Americans will still be dominated by eastern bloc white fighters at the heavyweight division.

Bliss,

First of all, don’t trust what the “experts” at espn have to say about anything fight related. Most are completely clueless. MMA is an example you gave?!?!? I avoided it bc it is such niche sport, but whites have almost completely dominated that sport. It was only fairly recently that blacks even had long champions, and a lot of that was due to weak competition in UFC weight classes. The other problem is that most American fans think mma = the UFC, when for years and years it was second tier to Pride.

Anyway, of the only two long term black champs in the sport, Anderson Silva was just destroyed twice in a row by a white wrestler. Jon Jones should have lost his last right against the tall white fighter from Europe who dominated him but gave him a decision. Both fighters have nothing on Fedor in his prime, who truly was the best fighter ever.

Fedor walked around at the same weight as Anderson and smaller than jones, yet fought larger heavyweights his entire career instead of cutting a lot of weight. Almost all of the all time great mma fighters have been white, with very few exceptions for black fighters. This is prob one of the worst sports to make this argument about black genetic superiority. The best fighters in mma history have been people like fedor, GSP, Hughes, couture, Liddell, Minotauro (mestizo), and then you can add in people like Anderson silva and jones, though both looked horrible in their last fights and one received a gift decision. Anderson silva was also submitted and looked bad in his Pride fights before going on to dominate the weak 185 UFC class.

As far as all time boxing lists, most of those are written by clueless nerds who haven’t boxed a day in their lives. Regardless, the era of Ali and Frazier was one where they did not have to fight the best possible opponents like in the former Soviet Union and Cuba. I was talking about today, where the best middleweight, light heavy, and heavyweight are all non black. Not to mention that the best 168 pound fighter of all time, calzaghe, just retired a few years ago. And the sport of boxing at middleweight and up is turning more and more white as the former soviet bloc fighters increase their dominance. Why is that if blacks dominate it today? Heavyweight Greco seems to be a big deal to you, but not the heavyweight champs of boxing for the last decade.

As far as wrestling, notice that I specifically pointed out Greco bc it is more strength based. Even still, it is dominated by non blacks because those of us who have trained with high level fighters first hand can tell a giant difference between speed and mat strength. That is why with very few exceptions, whites and caucus region nations dominate at Greco. Blacks will continue to dominate at short sprinting events. Whites will continue to increase their dominance at boxing.

“So currently the top boxer (Mayweather), the top mixed martial artist (Jon Jones), the top judoka (Teddy Riner), the top greco-roman wrestler (Mijain Lopez), top bodybuilder (Ronnie Coleman) in the world are all black.”

This is the problem with relying on the same media that is clueless about everything to form your opinions on boxing and mma. There is a big difference between a fanboy journalist and actually training in and understanding the sport.

Jon Jones is not the best mma fighter, and mayaeather is not the best boxer. What destroys your point is that jones lost to a white guy in his last fight, was give a horrible decision, and did his best to avoid a rematch, with even the UFC saying he was scared to rematch. Mayweather has ducked several fighters in his career, and has been very careful about fighting shorter and older fighters moving up in weight bc his defensive shell won’t work against a taller fighter. There are several fighters who would have trounced him in the last few years, but he wisely avoided them.

“Tyson and Tua are probably the best steroid free heavyweights ever. Steroids give the biggest framed heavyweights like Lewis and Klitschko a relatively large boost. All natural , they’d be gangling.”

I will address your other points later, but are you seriously trying to argue Tyson was steroid free? And on top of that, he was one of the all time greats along with tua?!?!?

Tyson fought hand picked opponents to build up his reputation. When he finally stepped it up and took on high level opponents who were not scared of him, he was destroyed by Douglas and Holyfield. I don’t count the Lewis loss against him too much bc Tyson was ancient, but he would have never won that fight or one against the klitchkos at any point under the best case conditions. Tyson has to be the most overrated heavyweight of all time. It is a credit to his management that people decades later still think his knocking out tomato cans make him some sort of amazing heavyweight. His style alone of keeping his hands high would have never allowed him to beat a legit A level fighter in heavyweight history.

“Don’t forget that blacks also have denser bones, which explains their lack of aptitude at swimming. I wonder if it partially explains why they are so good at boxing. I imagine it hurts a lot more to get hit by someone with denser bones.”

Whites tend to have more punching power than blacks in boxing. Blacks tend to have a bit more speed while whites tend to be far more heavy handed, all things being equal. This is true both in current day boxing and historically. The biggest difference in speed between races usually isn’t hand speed based, but usually more foot speed based.

It would help if the people here actually sparred and trained to know a little bit about the subject. Not trying to be condescending, but I can tell all of the people talking about how great blacks are are basically just repeating what they hear on ESPN from some nerdy Jewish writer who never put on the gloves one time. With very few exceptions like a light skinned George foreman, blacks tend to generate punching power from speed, while whites do it from natural heavy handedness.

Just looking at today’s fighters, there are zero blacks at the same weight class who have as much power as Wladimir at heavy, Golovkin at middleweight, or Kovalev at light heavy – none of the blacks come even remotely close. Contrary to the ny times, I actually think the best genetic mixes for boxing are the Mexicans for the lower weights and the soviet bloc huge variation like the klitchkos, golovkin, kovalev, kosta tsyzu, etc. For blacks, I actually think the really light skinned ones with a lot of white and Indian in them are the best – joe Louis and George foreman come to mind. The Africans have always basically sucked at boxing for a reason.

Twinkie,

Jon Jones is basically this decade’s Tito Ortiz. Most of the fans these days would have no idea what that even means, but if you watched in the old days you would: Someone who cuts a lot of weight, is very tall, and in good shape to use what is usually a size advatange. He also has fought in a relatively weak division, as most of the great LH fighters were retired or past their prime when Jones came around. Rampage, v silva, couture, liddell, etc all basically were past their primes and on the tail end of their careera. Like Tito, he also has horrible standup ability, especially when it comes to defense.

Jones would have been destroyed against a prime Liddell – he is just way too easy to hit and lacks even a decent level of boxing ability. Just like Ortiz avoided Liddell for years bc it was his worst matchup, so would jones have lost against chuck. I also think a fight with a prime v silva would have been 50/50. If jones had fought fedor in his prime, jones would have been finished within a round at most. There is a reason jones cuts such a huge amount of weight and does not compete at heavy, unlike the naturally smaller fedor doing for a decade. I also disagree that he did not duck the rematch – he did his best and the UFC has to basically publicly shame him to force him to accept.

I respect your opinion, Twinkie, but I disagree. I don’t think jones won the fight, and he clearly took a lot more damage. Just like Tito in his prime, they basically can’t fight someone who they can’t take down bc of bad standup skills, and use their height and size to avoid fighting people their own size or bigger. I think jones is a good fighter, but not great and can’t seem him beating a prime Liddell, fedor, couture, Coleman (220 lb pride winner version), and a fight with V Silva would be 50/50.

I basically don’t watch mma these days very much. It has become a lot sloppier and too watered down with rules, and honestly a lot of the skill has decreased compared to several years ago. It is a game of takedowns, sloppy toughman style brawling, and sloppy submissions – one big problem is fighters competing now are sort of half ass at everything, and not great at one skill like in the past. Did you ever watch the far superior Pride events? Just one rule difference of allowing kicks and knees to downed opponents made a dramatic difference in how the fight took place and it was far more exciting.

The UFC stars did not do well over there either – Anderson silva and chuck both lost badly prior to going on dominant runs in the UFC. Plus, they had fighters like Sakuraba do things that I would have never thought possible – 180 lb steroid free wrestler taking down and having wars with legit badass heavyweights was something out of a rocky movie. Seeing Saku force Royce Gracie throw in the towel and submit while be clowned him with pro wrestling Mongolian chops was also the funniest thing I have ever seen. If only sak had developed his boxing game with a legit boxing coach…

Bliss,

I just now got around to reading the espn all time greatest list and it is beyond laughable. Ali as number two? It is even worse than I thought! Jack Johnson is also very overrated, and he avoided a number of fighters. I don’t have a problem with sugar ray Robinson, as he prob was the best fighter of all time in terms of skill and record.

When the FBI has detailed files on multiple fights that defined you as being fixed, it takes away a lot of the credibility as being the second best fighter ever. Joe Louis belongs there, not Ali and his WWF style opponents being knocked out with a six inch arm punch that the media and former fighters all laughed about at the time as being obviously fixed. The judges in the Ali/norton fights also were completely crooked – Ali probably lost all three of those fights. Norton had zero respect for Ali’s power, and took advantage of Ali never punching to the body to simply cover up and walk him down.

I am not sure who is more overrated between Ali and Tyson thanks to the moronic American media, but sugar ray Leonard has to be up there too after that ridiculous decision against hagler. By the way, Ali got dropped with one punch and had the fear of God put into him when he disrespected a way past his prime Marciano during the filming of their simulation movie. Ali was extremely complimentary of rocky after that, telling Howard cosell that he would have whooped jack Johnson and Dempsey, but would not have wanted to run into Marciano in a dark alley. It makes sense because Frazier was basically a one handed, less athletic and less powerful version of Marciano and he prob gave Ali brain damage.

I can see Ali making the top ten, but definitely not over several people who aren’t on this list or some of the lower ranking ones.

Great posts, Twinkie. It is ridiculous to try and argue that mma is some black dominated sport. Same with Judo or Greco. A couple exceptions don’t prove the rule – or else the 1950s were actually a white dominated era of boxing since Marciano destroyed everyone, even if he was an exception. And the nba was dominated by whites in 2011 bc Dirk owned lebron and wade.

Again, that is the danger of someone just relying on the media to inform them instead of having an opinion from knowledge and experience. It would be like relying on the media for our knowledge of crime – one would think innocent blacks are gunned down left and right while neo nazis and the klan run rampant against innocent blacks trying to get an education and support their families. Actual stats show a completely different story in both cases, regardless of exceptions.

I know a coach in boxing who witnessed Tyson weighing in as a 13 year old at a national tournament. He said Tyson was fully developed like any grown man in his 30s. That means one of two things:

As many suspect, the Tyson birth certificate was fraudulent and he was several years older than he claimed

As many suspect, Tyson was on some form of steroids.

Or it may even be both. We are def in agreement that Tyson was juicing at the end of his career. I forgot which fight it was, but remember when he added at least 20 pounds of pure muscle in a couple months while trying for a fight?!? That would hve been impossible in his 30s to do while training for a fight.

Doctor, the biggest advantage of steroids and hgh is not muscle growth, but the ability to recover much quicker and train harder and more frequently without overtraining. If I had to bet, that explains tiger more than anything.

Norm Macdonald has referenced the Archie Bunker nonsense a few times on his YouTube/podcast. He explained how clearly it was intended for Archie to be viewed as
bad, yet America fell in love with him and it backfired as the people who were not liberals became sympathetic to his views. This was brought up to Carl Reiner in the same interview where Norm mentioned that “racism” accusations are the new red scare in Hollywood – just an accusation can ruin a career. He also pointed out in another podcast that if someone just repeated what various medical associations have said about “trans gender” individuals, and how it is a mental illness, their career would be ruined!

For those not into norm, I highly suggest checking out various YouTube clips of him, including his outstanding YouTube videocast.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/04/murray-rothbard-on-sports-sports.html?m=1

Rothbard mentioned this back in the early 90s.

Of all areas of life, sports should be the arena leased touched by politics. For the glory of being a sports fan is precisely that we are engaging in fun and play, that we are permitted to be “irrational”; that is, to be Yankee or Mets fans, to love our team and to hate the enemy, without having to ground these passions in systematic, moral or metaphysical theory. So it is particularity obnoxious when the gaggle of left Puritans invades and takes over the field of sports. Which they have done, of course, with a vengeance.

The Hate Thought squad has run rampant in sports for years. Veteran and respected sports figures, such as Al Campaneris and Jimmy the Greek, have seen their careers destroyed because they gave one politically improper answer to an interviewer’s question. No one dares even explore whether or not the answers were correct; their very expression is a hate-thought-crime; unlike other, seemingly graver, crimes, from their punishment there is no reprieve.

I like to think that sports writers are above politics’ that sports and only sports fill their minds. But now, they too have succumbed, and are, in fact, viciously leftist whenever politics is deemed relevant to sports.

Lol at Art Deco repeating the SPLC “neo-confederate” charge. I bet he thinks Lincoln “freed the slaves” with the Emancipation Proclamation bc he was morally opposed to slavery and racism just like Paul krugman or Steven Spielberg says! Nevermind all of the highly embarrassing facts about the war for the professional historian class of Marxists who worship Lincoln for changing the role of the state forever.

Say what you want about Buchanan or Paul, but they were absolutely hated by the DC establishment of both parties and the media for a reason. They would not have continued the chicken hawk Woodrow Wilson foreign policy that both parties practice.

Art Deco,

Repeating the buzz words and talking points of openly Marxist and/or neo-con historians who worship at the altar of Lincoln seems to have confused you. How exactly does one who opposes all government simultaneously favor a form of government?

The real reason you are mad and quoting Marxists/neo-cons is that a lot of myths your lot taught about Lincoln have been shattered. Not even the confederate government wanted to deport ALL blacks, free or slave, like Lincoln did. Lincoln would actually be the hero of sites like stormfront if he had accomplished his long standing political goals of kicking all the blacks out of the country bc of their skin color.

Also, make sure to keep repeating slurs so that people will not actually read the Emancipation Proclamation – then that whole idea that Lincoln “freed the slaves” will look rather silly considering it only covered areas where the North had no control down to the county level. And don’t get me started on quote after quote about the inferiority of blacks, or how Lincoln enforced the Fugitive Slave Act on slaves who escaped during the war to supposedly free them!

Definitely don’t read Lincoln’s first address where he threatens war on states not collecting the full tariff rate either – it is more important to accuse anarcho capitalists of being supporters of a form of government than to actually understand or read real history – and certainly no one should wonder why Marxist historians love Lincoln and worship him!

Why is this surprising? 99% of all politicians of any sort of power are complete sociopaths. Hayek nailed this decades ago with his essay on why the worst rise to the top of government. It is sort of like how the sales managers and management positions at car dealerships are even bigger sociopaths than the salesmen, but most people think it will be the opposite.

Hilarious article though. Thanks for posting, Steve.