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    Jews, and Ashkenazi Jews in particular, are very genetically distinctive. A short and sweet way to think about this population is that they're a moderately recent admixture between a Middle Eastern population, and Western Europeans, which has been relatively isolated due to sociocultural forces. As far as their inbreeding, well, here's one recent paper, Signatures...
  • #13, the “root movement” would have been related more to persecution or expulsion than anything else, and Jews did not really get involved in finance until maybe the 16th century at the earliest — by which time Jewish settlement patterns in Europe were pretty stable.

    Remember also that miscegenation was rare because of religious law on both sides. Conversion to Judaism was considered apostasy in both Christian and Muslim law, the child of an un-converted non-Jewish mother would not have been considered Jewish, regardless of paternity.

  • I know I excoriate readers of this weblog for being stupid, ignorant, or lazy. But this constant badgering does result in genuinely insightful and important comments precisely and carefully stated on occasion. I put up my previous post in haste, and when I published it I wasn't totally happy with the evidence from which the...
  • Lauren Bacall (pictured) is first cousin to the current President of Israel, Shimon Peres. (Bacall’s family name at birth was Persky, from which ‘Peres’ is derived.)

  • I need to rationalize my process of modulating the stream of comments I get. Toward that end I am going to be posting an "open thread" once every week (I've scheduled the next month already). If you have the urge to leave an off-topic comment on a post immediately, just put it here. You can...
  • Any book recommendations (“popular science” type or maybe a bit more advanced) for someone who wants to better understand how genetics is applied to the study of human populations? I’m basically looking for a primer that would help me better understand Razib’s more technical posts.

  • A few people have asked me about a new paper on arXiv, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses. Since it is on arXiv you can read the preprint yourself. And, since it is a preprint it is not quite polished, so keep that in mind when evaluating...
  • One issue that has always troubled me about the “Khazar hypothesis” is the seemingly complete lack of linguistic evidence supporting it. If Ashkenazi Jews originate from Turkic tribes, why do they speak the street-language of ca. 11th-century Rhineland, lightly infused with Hebrew and Slavic loan-words but with basically no Turkic content at all?

  • @Charles Nydorf, what language did the Khazars speak? A Germanic language or a Turkic language?

  • Interesting stuff on the origins of the Khazar language and of Yiddish, but to me at least, the question I posed in post #5 above still stands — i.e. how one could defend the theory that the Turkic-speaking Khazars were the major ancestors of modern Ashkenazi Jews (as many still believe) when the Ashkenazi language contains so few identifiably Turkic words (and those it does contain seem to have come through the intermediacy of surrounding Slavic languages).

  • … that is, unless one argues that the Khazars (at least those who were Judaized) spoke a Gothic language that later evolved into Yiddish. Clearly I’m neither a historian nor a linguist.

  • The nature of the restrictions of the comments are relatively free-form on this post. You should maintain some decorum as usual. But you can post links, ask me or other readers questions, etc.
  • Razib, I would be interested to know generally what your “day-job” is. This is purely out of a sense of curiosity (i.e., which part of an obviously bright and prolific polymath’s daily activities end up paying the bills?) The biographical sketch in the sidebar provides a couple of past details, but I’m still curious.

  • The nature of the restrictions of the comments are relatively free-form on this post. You should maintain some decorum as usual. But you can post links, ask me or other readers questions, etc.
  • #29 Isabel, you might enjoy reading “When They Severed Earth From Sky”. It was a “game-changing” read for me.

  • Forgot to post this last week I think. Same as usual. Be nice. And I'll be nice too!
  • Razib, I’m interested in what your “day job” is (generally speaking). The biographical sketch in the side-bar gives some info about your past experience, but I’m curious about how someone with such broad interests as yourself actually “pays the bills”.

  • Obviously the news over the past week has been filled with the events in the Middle East, and the broader Muslim world, in reaction to an anti-Muslim film. I think the most eloquent commentary is from The Onion (NSFW!!!), No One Murdered Because Of This Image. That being said, there are some serious broader issues...
  • An idea from a columnist in our local newspaper: those protesting come from societies where the government has traditionally placed extreme restrictions on the media (including the Internet). To them, for a movie / book / website to be allowed by the government means it must be condoned in some way by the government. Otherwise, why would it be available?

    The basic divergence in values implied here is in freedom of expression. The protesters see governmental permission to blaspheme as government endorsement of blasphemy. The whole nation becomes guilty.

  • Despite the real estate bubble bursting, it looks as if Florida will surpass New York in population by the next Census. I once made some quick money by betting an older gentleman that Texas had a larger population than New York. I suspect there's even more money to be made by betting people that Florida...
  • The stagnation of NY’s population is a bit of a surprise at first glance, but brings to mind my impressions on driving through Buffalo and Rochester — once part of the industrial / manufacturing heartland, but now shadows of their former selves.

  • I've had a Kindle for a few years now. I read a lot on it. And yet I observed something recently: I've stopped going to the library much. This is a big deal for me...probably since the age of 7 I've clocked in at least one visit to the public library per week in my...
  • Here in Canada you see comparatively few Kindles — much more popular is Kobo (formerly a Canadian company), which I believe is somewhat more “open”. The public library systems here “lend” e-books that are Kobo-compatible.

  • Over at The American Conservative Noah Millman and Rod Dreher are having a discussion over the basic premise that founding texts (e.g., Bible, Koran) and individuals (e.g., Jesus, Muhammad) have a deep influence upon the nature of a religion. Long time readers will be aware that I side much more with Millman on this. In...
  • Great post, Razib — it’s going to take me a while to digest it. As I read it, though, I was thinking about how much your argument applies (or doesn’t apply) to Judaism in its most common form.

    On one hand, in Judaism there is a strong alignment between “belief” and study of traditional texts, and the most important stage in a man’s religious development is spending a few years (or more) in the yeshiva learning Talmud all day (learning and using the “intellectual toolkit”). This is far more widespread today than it was in the past, but even then, basic literacy was relatively high (among males) and most would have been well acquainted with “Chumash (Bible) with Rashi”. It’s difficult to see a Christian parallel to this — maybe in Byzantine times but certainly not in the Western sphere.

    On the other hand, the scope of this “intellectual toolkit” is almost entirely focused on decisions of civil law and ritual practice (kashrut, Sabbath laws, ritual purity, etc.) Theological speculation was traditionally discouraged for all but the elites and still is today (in Orthodoxy, only adult men of a certain age are permitted to study Kabbalah).

    Your thoughts?

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    @Joe Q.

    As I read it, though, I was thinking about how much your argument applies (or doesn't apply) to Judaism in its most common form.


    judaism as we understand is a creature of its social milieu, which was/is late antiquity and christianity and islam. 'orthodox judaism' is a particular stream of jewish through which made it to modernity and was strongly shaped by christianity and islam. i think rabbinical judaism, like xtianity and islam, can be thought of as derived from ancient judaism.

  • If you read this weblog via its RSS Feed and Google Reader you are probably aware that you will have to stop doing this by July 1st. Here's a an article with links to replacements. I will enter into the record that I now use Feedly and I don't miss Google Reader at all. More...
  • Hm, I didn’t even know Google Currents still existed — hope they don’t kill that one too! Anyway, I am using Feedly as well, and while it’s pretty good, some aspects seem more “clunky” than Google Reader.

    The Digg Reader is supposed to come out today. Looking forward to seeing what that looks like.

  • George Johnson is out with a new book, The Cancer Chronicles: Unlocking Medicine's Deepest Mystery, and is also now at the center of a host of controversies due to some of his conclusions after years of research and writing. You can keep track of the volleys back and forth at his blog, Fire in the...
  • They’re just that — risk factors. They raise the probability of getting cancer, but not all the way to 100%, just as their absence doesn’t lower the probability of getting cancer to 0%.

  • Independence Day is coming up. Very excited to celebrate with my daughter. She may be old enough not to be frightened by the noise. On the other hand I came to the conclusion a few years back that the world might not be a worse off place if the American colonies had remained colonies for...
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    @Razib Khan

    "though perhaps dominion status would have transformed more rapidly toward total separation and republicanism."

    I still not buy the "might" / "wait a while longer" position for the American Colonies seeking Independence and sitting longer in a limbo like non independent "dominion status". Maybe that worked OK for the people in Canada, India, etc. but as history tells us, it didn't work here.

    I have no mirror to be keenly reflective nor partake in heated summer airs for those using fuzzy moral arguments that the American Independence was done by the "American rebels" for the greater bad versus the greater good.

    One must remember that the American Colonies did have a try at the "dominion game" and it didn't work out. As an example, in 1660, King Charles II gave the Colony of Virginia the title of "Dominion". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion

    Throwing a singular quote from the likes of Samuel Johnson into this discourse adds little. http://www.samueljohnson.com/jpolitics.html Is he all that much relevant or a hero to either today's run a day Conservatives or Liberals? I think not.

    Replies: @Razib Khan, @Joe Q.

    I’m not sure it makes sense to equate the 1660s “Dominion” of Virginia with the 1860s Dominion of Canada. The name may be the same, but surely the ideas behind it changed over 200 years.

  • @Razib Khan
    @highly_adequate

    It's quite fair to say, I think, that democracy as we now know it, in all countries that embrace it, derives directly from the American style of government. This includes even countries that didn't break away from England, such as Canada, as well as England itself, which had to respond to the improvements represented by the American style of government. It's hard to see why we would have been better off if the American revolution had been delayed.

    i don't think it's so simple as all that (that all democracy derives from the american model). though obviously america as a successful republic (it didn't call itself popularly a democracy in a positive manner until the age of jackson in the 1830s) was important. can you tell me what you know about the english transition to consensual governance via parliament before and after? i want specific facts i don't know, i don't care about generalities which i'm aware of.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    I too would be interested in the details. I’m woefully ignorant about changes in government systems in other countries, but I can tell you that the Canadian system of government has changed very little since its inception (the only major change I can think of being the abolition of the upper houses at the provincial level, and that generally happened within 20-30 years of Confederation).

  • As we come up to the day celebrating American independence from the Britain there will be the standard revelries and reflections. Personally, I have no problem with that. A modicum of patriotism seems healthy in all, and if appropriately channeled a surfeit is often useful in the populace as a way to maintain civic engagement....
  • This is an interesting post, especially for someone who is largely ignorant of American history except in its broadest outlines (i.e., me). I have “Albion’s Seed” on my very long reading list after one of Razib’s previous posts recommending it.

    I wonder if a similar analysis has been done for Canada. Patterns of immigration and assimilation have obviously been very different here relative to the USA — we started off smaller and grew much more slowly, and there were differences in the source countries, the timing of their arrival, and what happened afterward.

    So, for example, while Canada had immigration from German-speaking countries, the scale was nowhere near what the USA seems to have had (was there not talk at one point in the 19th century of making German an official language in the USA?) Our Western provinces were settled to a massive extent by Ukrainian immigration in the late 19th c. (their descendants include some household names — Alex Trebek, Randy Bachman, etc.) which AFAIK was not a factor in the USA. Eastern European Jews arrived in Canada in large numbers, but in the 1920s (vs. the 1870s-1880s in the USA) so the patterns of settlement and assimilation have been different. Similarly for the Italians and Portuguese.

    The most influential wave of immigration to Canada, of course, was the one that came from the USA in the late 18th century. It took me a while, as a kid, to make the connection between the United Empire Loyalists we heard so much about in history class and the “refugees” from the American Revolution (called “Tories” in the USA? The word now has a different connotation) Much of the cultural and economic growth of central and eastern Canada was seeded by the Loyalists.

    How all this plays out politically is something I would have to sit down and read about (hopefully).

  • The website The Root often has a Q & A with various African Americans, famous and not so famous, about their genealogy in relation to personal genomics. In most cases these tests tell you what you already know, but for African Americans there is often actually value-add in terms of greater specificity and precision, which...
  • She didn’t say that she can’t wait to go to Finland, but she does express wonder at her Finnish (or Finnish-like) ancestry as well as an interest in pursuing it — so she doesn’t dismiss it entirely. In any case, I’m not surprised that she highlights the African part of her ancestry, for some of the reasons you cited — the precision that the results provide — and also because, for an American, west Africa is likely a lot more exotic than Finland.

  • Every now and then Ed Yong has a "de-lurking" post up. That reminds me that it is often useful for long time readers who rarely comment, as they see they are not alone. I won't put any stipulations on what you have to say (aside from that it has to be about who you are,...
  • I’m scientist working in industrial R&D. Don’t have much of biology / genetics background, but very interested in history.

  • The Pith: Higher Mendelian disease rates among French Canadians may be due to their demographic history. As I have noted before, demographic bottlenecks with extremely strong effects on the character of population genetic variation need to be very radical in their nature to be of any significance. The population pinhole has to be on the...
  • So the interesting thing is that many Francophone Quebecois have Irish ancestry that dates from the mid-19th century (especially those from outside of Montreal). I wonder how that skews (or does not skew) the results.

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    @Joe Q.

    I've noticed that on 23andme I am a distant relative to a ton of French Canadians. They seem to all be related to me from my Father's side. My father had no Quebecois ancestry. He was half German, with the remainder a mixture of Irish, English, and Sephardic. I presume that one of his Irish ancestors had a sibling who migrated to Quebec.

  • Questions?
  • Razib — yet another paper recently appeared on the genetics of the Ashkenazi Jews.

    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html

    I am interested in the topic but am nowhere near qualified to understand the details (beyond the introduction). My take on it is that (1) it corroborates the idea that the Ashkenazim are, very broadly, descendants of Near Eastern (“Judaean”) men who lived in the Mediterranean basin and took local (“Roman”) wives, and that (2) it puts another nail in the coffin of the “Khazar hypothesis”.

    Am I missing something important?

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    @Joe Q.

    probably. i want to look at X chromosomes though. that would probably clarify and clean up, as uniparental assignments can be dicey.

  • I do love me some sprouts! Greens, bitters, strong flavors of all sorts. I've always been like this. Some of this is surely environment. My family comes from a part of South Asia known for its love of bracing and bold sensation. But perhaps I was born this way? There's a fair amount of evidence...
  • Brings to mind the great cilantro debate. I don’t know about the specifics of the genetics but there was an article in Nature last year.

    http://www.nature.com/news/soapy-taste-of-coriander-linked-to-genetic-variants-1.11398

    I have many friends who claim cilantro tastes like dishwater. I quite like it.

  • A few years ago Joe Pickrell wrote a very influential post, The first steps towards a modern system of scientific publication. Influential because it seems have to been a reason for the development of SciReader.The developers behind PubChase also took some lessons from it. Of course we know the role that "open access" and PLOS...
  • Interesting article Razib. The world of chemistry (my field) is only still in the baby-steps stage of modernizing scientific publishing; open-access articles are still quite rare, and publication of raw data is quite uncommon except in certain niche sub-specialties. I get the strong feeling that we are far behind biology and physics in this regard.

  • I spent a bit of this morning on a playground with my daughter, and tried really hard not to hover around her, as is in the norm among parents of my socioeconomic status in the United States (this behavior should most certainly be obviated by the fact that this is a "child safe" playground). This...
  • (1) I will be interested to hear your experiences with Kumon for reading. Our own experience (with our son, now in first grade) is that after a lot of time spent “working” on reading with him — mostly unsuccessfully — progress came rapidly and suddenly, around age 5.5. It’s like someone flipped a switch. Other parents I have spoken to report the same thing.

    (2) Re: children as non-persons — I recall that there are some cultures (perhaps native South Americans?) where children are not even given names until age 4 or 5.

  • A few people have mentioned that my Goodreads profile has been helpful to them. I used to find Amazon's recommendations very useful, but lately that's been less so, perhaps because the low hanging fruit has been picked. So manual/human curation has been more important for me of late. As an example, I really like checking...
  • “Genome” was a great read — taught this chemist a lot of biology. I found it in the laundry room of the apartment building I was living in at the time (in a “free books, please take” pile). People used to leave back-issues of Science and Cell in the laundry room as well. It was that kind of place.

  • On a Bloggingheads conversation Freddie deBoer where is talking about the Jon Chait's recent article on political correctness gone wild, he notes that points are given to those who are first to highlight the "problematic" aspect of something. Over time this leads to a constriction and strangulation of all open conversation, as the bounds of...
  • Razib writes: The problem, which was left implicit, is that it often meant that the regulated behavior of observant Jews become more and more constricted.

    Joe Q. comments: In this case it’s not necessarily that their behaviour became more constricted, but that it became constricted by central authorities rather than a local ones. This is a broad trend in orthodox Judaism, one that traces over milennia but has accelerated in the last 80-odd years — the idea that authoritative decisions handed down in law codes become more valid than the body of decisions made by local community rabbis.

    In practice, though, the level of practice ascends to the most rigid common denominator, as Razib points out.

    As an aside, I found “The Essential Talmud” a frustrating book. It tells the reader what the Talmud is about, without ever demonstrating what it is.

  • So I just bought the Kindle Version of The Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies for $3.99. At 780 pages this is a substantial work, and from what I can tell it's an academically oriented text (not one of those Kindle "books" which are cut & paste jobs out of...
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    @Andrew

    fascinating! if you read the stuff on middle eastern xtians you often find that they have to explain to american evangelicals that they aren't recent converts. perhaps it comes from the same sort of ignorance, but is filtered through different socio-political lens. ergo, start with the axiom xtianity = western, and figure out how western influence effects non-westerners....

    Replies: @April Brown, @Joe Q.

    I would have thought that the Crusaders would have mixed in at least a little bit with the original Christian population of Lebanon / Syria / Egypt etc. — maybe not enough to leave a cultural signature, but enough to leave genetic traces?

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    @Joe Q.

    not that i've seen, but the genetic distances are often a bit small here. probably could quantify it by whole genome sequencing of Y chromosomes and such. but note that a lot of the elites just decamped from outremer when it fell... though supposedly there are frankish origin first names in places like the mediterranean coast of syria, where they mixed with local xtians and what became alawites.

  • I'm old enough to remember when people were advised by severe-faced nutritionists about the dangers of eggs, all the while being totally unaware of the possible downsides of gorging on high-sugar, fat-free SnackWells cookies. This was the 1980s and early 1990s, when low fat and cholesterol were all the rage. Now The Washington Post is...
  • A couple of thoughts on this: I do agree that the science of nutrition is not nearly as robust as (to use Razib’s example) planetary mechanics, but I also suspect that many “authorities” in this area are aware of this. Is it instead that the breakdown is not in the research, but in how the research is forged into policies or recommendations (by governments, popular media, etc.) ?

    A second thought is that moral panic about the “purity” of food is a side-effect of its ready availability. You can be picky when you know you won’t starve. I am reminded of horse-meat in the USA during the 19th century (there was just a good article on this somewhere — Priceonomics?) the popularity of which was inversely correlated with the health of the economy. Once times got better, people started to turn up their noses.

  • A Really Bad Week For The Supplements Industry: Some of you won't be surprised that these firms are padding their bottom line by substituting cheap ingredients (e.g., rice powder) in lieu of what's on the label. But they can game the system this way because of loose regulatory oversight. Meanwhile, there are periodic moral panics...
  • A related study was carried out at the University of Guelph (Ontario, Canada) in 2013.
    http://www.uoguelph.ca/news/2013/10/study_herbal_pr.html

    It will be interesting to see if these findings strike a lethal blow to the naturopathy movement.

  • Many people have read Graeme Wood's cover story in The Atlantic, What ISIS Really Wants, by now. I have, and I recommend you do so as well. You'll learn a lot. And there's much within it that I can assent to without hesitation. It overlaps in key ways with my post from last August, The...
  • A great deal of Rabbinical Jewish literature is an attempt to reconcile Rabbinic precepts, or practical traditions as they have been received, with the “plain reading” of the Biblical texts (explaining contradictions or more generally demonstrating how the former is derived from the latter). Much of the Talmud consists of these attempts at textual reconciliation. Razib provides one example; there are other famous ones (such as the scene where Abraham appears to prepare and serve a non-kosher meal).

    On a related note, throughout the Rabbinic literature there are threads that discourage literalist re-interpretation of the Biblical text. To study the Torah without the traditional commentaries in front of you (mostly of the medieval era) was frowned upon, borderline heresy, and this theme persists to this day — you will be very challenged to find an Orthodox printing of the Torah without commentaries.

    The importance attached to commentary and traditional explanations of challenging segments of the Biblical text provides a degree of flexibility that allows Judaism to persist, or at least moves the basis of fundamentalism from the Biblical text to more pliable Rabbinic ones. As a counter-example see the Karaite Jews, who cling to a more direct interpretation of Jewish law directly from the Torah — and whose numbers have diminished significantly over the centuries.

    Along these lines, I have often thought that Orthodox Judaism has more in common with both traditional Islam and Orthodox or traditional Catholic Christianity — all have an emphasis on ritual practice and a scriptural perspective that relies on ancient commentary and received traditions.

    ISIS may be more akin to fundamentalist or Evangelical Islam, in some ways similar in its approach to Evangelical Christianity. That ISIS uses brutal violence is a reflection of violence as it is depicted in the Koran. Calls to violence in the Jewish Bible are more limited in scope, and in any case the Rabbinic interpretation has discouraged violence through creative reinterpretation (Amalek being a classic example). One wonders what would have happened if the Christian scriptures advocated extensive violence — what would the trajectory of the Evangelical movement have been?

    Sorry for the long post, this stuff has been top of mind lately.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    Calls to violence in the Jewish Bible are more limited in scope

    the scholar philip jenkins (fwiw, he leans to the conservative side on most issues, but i've found him really clear eyed overall) has done an analysis of the koran and hebrew bible re: violence. he says that the hebrew violence is worse (i.e., more violent).

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788

    i have found the koran pretty boring and not too memorable, but i'm a little surprised anyone would say that the hebrew bible's violence is 'limited in scope.'

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Moshe

    , @Karl
    @Joe Q.

    >> the scene where Abraham appears to prepare and serve a non-kosher meal

    the "Jewish" religion calls itself : dat-Moshe "religion of Moses"

    Moses live many hundreds of years after Abraham.

    Before Moses, there was no covenanted tribe; Moses gave the laws which DEFINED THE EXISTENCE of a covenanted tribe.

    videlicet: Abraham could not worry about "laws of kashrut"; there were not yet any such laws.

    Next time you're at a Jewish wedding, listen more closely to the vows.

  • @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    Calls to violence in the Jewish Bible are more limited in scope

    the scholar philip jenkins (fwiw, he leans to the conservative side on most issues, but i've found him really clear eyed overall) has done an analysis of the koran and hebrew bible re: violence. he says that the hebrew violence is worse (i.e., more violent).

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788

    i have found the koran pretty boring and not too memorable, but i'm a little surprised anyone would say that the hebrew bible's violence is 'limited in scope.'

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Moshe

    i have found the koran pretty boring and not too memorable, but i’m a little surprised anyone would say that the hebrew bible’s violence is ‘limited in scope.’

    By “limited in scope” I mean “limited in time and place”, sorry if this was not clear. Obviously the violence described is brutal but it is directed at particular groups of people at particular times, rather than a blanket instruction destined at outsiders. And in any case the later layer of Rabbinic interpretation substantially neutralized much of this, including the death penalty. The Rabbinic treatment of the “eye for an eye” is… eye-opening.

    • Replies: @Lovernios X
    @Joe Q.

    Is the proper interpretation of "an eye for an eye" that it is a call for proportionality? In other words, you cannot take two eyes for a tooth or a life for an eye. As such, it was a "liberal" reform from much harsher punishments, such as the Draconian system - death for every crime.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    , @jtgw
    @Joe Q.

    Well, if you take the Old Testament and Koran at face value, the OT is more violent. The interesting question is then why Islam ends up being more violent than Judaism or Christianity, and for that I agree you have to thank subsequent tradition and reinterpretation of the violence in the text. It appears that for whatever reason Islam has carried out less of this kind of reinterpretation, so what was originally a less violent founding text ends up causing more violence because it is being interpreted much more literally.

    Replies: @omarali50

    , @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    Obviously the violence described is brutal but it is directed at particular groups of people at particular times, rather than a blanket instruction destined at outsiders.

    but the same is said by muslims about the situation of early islam in the arabian peninsula. that's only marginally less local. a lot of the 'action' in the koran really concerns the hijaz.

  • @Lovernios X
    @Joe Q.

    Is the proper interpretation of "an eye for an eye" that it is a call for proportionality? In other words, you cannot take two eyes for a tooth or a life for an eye. As such, it was a "liberal" reform from much harsher punishments, such as the Draconian system - death for every crime.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    Is the proper interpretation of “an eye for an eye” that it is a call for proportionality?

    That is part of it. The rabbis reinterpret further and conclude that the whole passage refers to proportionate monetary compensation for damages.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    @Joe Q.

    So the next question is: what caused them to reinterpret passages like that? If Razib is right, even the violent passages in the Koran could be interpreted as local or historical anomalies and not to be applied to unbelievers today. That the Salafists choose to apply them in this way doesn't follow inevitably from the text, but rather from whatever other motivations are driving their ideology.

    Similarly, the Jews of Christ's time didn't hesitate to apply the Torah "literally": they actually did stone adulterers. Subsequent reinterpretation wasn't inevitable but was required by whatever else changed in Jewish society to take away the need or ability to apply the death penalty.

    Replies: @Razib Khan

  • I've talked about rs17822931 in ABCC11 several times. The reasons are manifold. First, on many traits of interest it exhibits variation across populations in a simple Mendelian (recessive expression) manner. Second, there are suggestive variations in distribution. Third, the traits are kind of interesting without being biomedical. In other words, it's a cool illustration of...
  • “Malodour conjugate precursors” is a good one, reminds me of the unusual substance in asparagus that is metabolized to a smelly substance that comes out in the urine. The molecules pictured here are ones that I would not expect to have much of a smell on their own, but I can understand how differing levels in sweat would affect the makeup of skin and underarm flora — as well as susceptibility to bug bites.

  • Whenever I talk about The Nurture Assumption there are a minority of angry and peeved comments. Usually they're not too coherent, but they don't get me down. The reality is that the basic message of the book is very important to get out to the American public, by which I mean upper to upper middle...
  • @JohnnyWalker123
    It would be interesting to study the life outcomes of children raised in a traditional Asian/Indian tiger mother environment and compare them to children raised under more holistic conditions.

    In one of Ron Unz's articles, he noted the collapse of Jewish achievement. He also noted that Japanese-Americans were no better represented than white-Americans as PSAT finalists in California, but the other Asian subgroups (Chinese, Korean, Indian) were vastly over represented. That would seem to suggest Tiger Mothering can be useful in some circumstances.

    Replies: @JayMan, @Joe Q., @AshTon, @ohwilleke

    In one of Ron Unz’s articles, he noted the collapse of Jewish achievement.

    Your comment prompted me to dig up this discussion — seems that Unz is not without his critics on this point (apparently his analysis is based on numbers of students with Jewish-sounding names at east-coast US universities)

  • One of the most influential books for me in trying to understand how the American system has operated in relation to "religious freedom" is Winnifred Fallers Sullivan's The Impossibility of Religious Freedom. A lawyer, she recounts how the legal framework of balancing religious freedom and the conformity to law expected by the state arose in...
  • @Razib Khan
    @Greg Pandatshang

    see how ashkenazi jews treated polygamy and whether christians were monotheists or not. seems pretty clear that they were influenced by having to deal with xtians on a regular basis.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    I think Greg Pandashtang’s comments were addressing Orthodox Christianity, not Orthodox Judaism.

    The issue of Christianity-as-polytheism in Judaism is connected to business transactions and the oaths involved therein, but lurking in the background is the traditional Jewish reluctance to avoid ruling in ways that would provoke violent or costly retaliation from powerful non-Jews (local leaders, kings, the Church, etc.) My guess is that Rabbinical rulings about the status of Christianity are heavily coloured by these concerns. Better not to anger the Church when you depend on it to keep the local thugs calm.

    In this sense “influenced by having to deal with Christians on a regular basis” is a good way of putting it.

    Polygamy is likely a different case, as it was very much a local-cultural thing to begin with, and seems to have been rare at both in the Talmudic academies as well as Europe before the time of Rabbeinu Gershom. Iranian Jews practiced polygamy within the last 100 years, and Yemeni Jews even within the last 20-30 years.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    I think Greg Pandashtang’s comments were addressing Orthodox Christianity, not Orthodox Judaism.


    i don't care. this is a general issue. if you read cross-cultural studies you see it (e.g., muslim accommodation with confucianism in eastern china in the early modern period).

  • A few days ago I mentioned bioRxiv to a friend of mine who is a graduate student. She didn't know of what I spoke, so I enlightened her. Since many of the readers of this weblog don't have academic access, and pay journals like Nature come after you if you upload PDFs (though the open...
  • The world of chemistry / materials science is sorely lacking in tools like these (my colleagues think I am high-tech for subscribing to the journals’ “as-soon-as-publishable” RSS feeds). One wonders why.

  • Another article, More scientists doubt salt is as bad for you as the government says, in the respectable Washington Post, arguing that the salt dietary guidelines in vogue for the last generation were not based on strong science. The problem here is that bureaucratic organizations are making decisions about the health of hundreds of millions...
  • So far as I can tell, the US federal dietary guidelines are just that (guidelines, suggestions, etc.) No compulsion is involved and no guns are being held to any heads, so I’m perplexed at comments about the government “making decisions about the health of hundreds of millions” or “withholding salt … from the populace at large” as a way of diminishing the pleasure they get from food.

    • Replies: @Hipster
    @Joe Q.

    Government guidelines do indeed have real impacts for many people's diets.

    Many hospitals, schools, and other organizations that serve food for large numbers of people, follow these guidelines as a condition of receiving funding. The idea is that following these guidelines will have positive health outcomes for the children in school or the patients in the hospital.

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Stephen

    , @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    the guidelines influence what doctors tell their patients, and patients are often automatons in relation to what doctors and nutritionists say. it's just like the *food babe* crap. there's no compulsion, but people believe her.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    , @donut
    @Joe Q.

    "No compulsion is involved and no guns are being held to any heads,"

    Really?

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/feds-to-public-school-kids-must-have-a-doctors-note-to-bring-their-own-lunch/

    , @Tom Welsh
    @Joe Q.

    That turns out not to be the case. For instance, millions of schoolchildren are forced to eat meals that comply with government guidelines; healthy food sent with them by their parents is often confiscated on the grounds that it contains too much fat, salt, etc.

  • @Hipster
    @Joe Q.

    Government guidelines do indeed have real impacts for many people's diets.

    Many hospitals, schools, and other organizations that serve food for large numbers of people, follow these guidelines as a condition of receiving funding. The idea is that following these guidelines will have positive health outcomes for the children in school or the patients in the hospital.

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Stephen

    Fair enough, I was unaware that these institutions had to adhere to the guidelines to receive funding. (I don’t live in the USA)

    • Replies: @PD Shaw
    @Joe Q.

    School lunches is where this issue hits home for me. The Feds provided money, including free lunches, to public schools that provided healthier meals, including less salt. This appears to have been an important concern for Michelle Obama. Kids stopped eating lunch, and protested by video. Some days I think my daughter just has iceberg lettuce and water for lunch. There are stories about kids fainting in class. And the guidelines are getting stricter.

    It's hard not to see American kids have dietary issues, but it's also hard to understand how that can be corrected with one meal a day that they don't eat if it's not tasty. And a mass-produced meal is always going to have limitations. It seems like salt can be used to get kids to eat healthier foods.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

  • @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    the guidelines influence what doctors tell their patients, and patients are often automatons in relation to what doctors and nutritionists say. it's just like the *food babe* crap. there's no compulsion, but people believe her.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    The patients may be automatons, but there is still a gap between influencing medical advice and the idea that salt is being withheld from people, against their will (with the exception of government funded institutional kitchens, as noted above).

    I see a fundamental difference between this case and the Food Babe: in the former, recommendations based on actual research (lacking though it may be) are revised over time, whereas in the latter, there is no actual research to begin with.

  • One of the most influential books for me in trying to understand how the American system has operated in relation to "religious freedom" is Winnifred Fallers Sullivan's The Impossibility of Religious Freedom. A lawyer, she recounts how the legal framework of balancing religious freedom and the conformity to law expected by the state arose in...
  • @Razib Khan
    @Santoculto

    Most ‘religions’ are supported by subjective morality. This is basically the set of moral rules derived from a specific culture

    it's pretty clear that the core morality of most religions co-opts human universals. e.g., 'thou shalt not kill' (at least ingroups). orthopraxic elaborations are often the stuff that distinguishes, but they aren't part of the core morality. though as jesus' parable with pharisees suggests people get confused.

    ""That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and study it.""

    -Hillel

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Santoculto

    The interesting twist here being that Hillel was basically a Pharisee.

  • Another article, More scientists doubt salt is as bad for you as the government says, in the respectable Washington Post, arguing that the salt dietary guidelines in vogue for the last generation were not based on strong science. The problem here is that bureaucratic organizations are making decisions about the health of hundreds of millions...
  • @IBC
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Is there anything, anything at all, that the high priests of modern dietology actually got right?
     
    I'm guessing they got the advice on whole grains and limiting sugar intake right. For most of human history, and even after the advent of agriculture, the average person probably consumed less sugar over the course of a few weeks or even months, than most people now eat on a daily basis.

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Anatoly Karlin

    Sugar and whole grains, for sure. I would add trans fatty acids to the list.

  • @PD Shaw
    @Joe Q.

    School lunches is where this issue hits home for me. The Feds provided money, including free lunches, to public schools that provided healthier meals, including less salt. This appears to have been an important concern for Michelle Obama. Kids stopped eating lunch, and protested by video. Some days I think my daughter just has iceberg lettuce and water for lunch. There are stories about kids fainting in class. And the guidelines are getting stricter.

    It's hard not to see American kids have dietary issues, but it's also hard to understand how that can be corrected with one meal a day that they don't eat if it's not tasty. And a mass-produced meal is always going to have limitations. It seems like salt can be used to get kids to eat healthier foods.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    School lunches is where this issue hits home for me.

    Thank you for pointing this out. Here in Ontario, likely also in the rest of Canada, there is no cafeteria service in schools until you get to the high-school level. Kids bring their lunch from home.

  • A few separate pieces that I read today came together thematically for me in an odd confluence. First, an article in The Straits Times repeats the shocking statistics about the nature of modern academic intellectual production, Prof, no one is reading you, that you may be aware of. Here's the important data: What ever happened...
  • Interesting to note that the natural sciences do not come off scot-free here, though the linked article does not make clear what exactly is meant by “read”.

    Many papers in the sciences can be valuable (and cited) just for the procedures or protocols described, and extracting these nuggets of information doesn’t usually require a cover-to-cover reading.

  • Beauty can lie all too easily, while oftentimes truth is ugly on first inspection. I've been reading Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism, and it is a beautiful book, full of style and erudition, and paragraph after paragraph of mellifluous argumentation. It is far more gossamer than Victor Lieberman's Strange Parallels, which is...
  • Razib, one reason why the direct RSS feed of your GNXP post might be preferred is that (so far as I can tell) that particular feed provides the full text of articles, while your “total” feed only provides excerpts.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    did not know that was an issue. it is now *full post* instead of summary. thanks for bringing it to my attention.

  • Just a reminder to people leaving comments, I'm not the typical laissez faire moderator. Obviously you are immediately going to be banned if you go full-snark from the get-go (yes, some commenters are under the illusion that they are brilliant and wise, and unmoderated comment threads allow them to continue with that delusion indefinitely), but...
  • Can anyone recommend any layman-oriented articles or reviews that discuss the ancestry / heritage of the “Cape Coloured” people of South Africa?

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
  • In the culture of science you occasionally run into the sort of person who believes as an apodictic fact that if one is religious one can not by their fact of belief be a good scientist. You encounter this sort of person at all levels of science, and they exhibit a range of variation in...
  • @Hermenauta
    Some points.

    First: 4% atheists and agnostics in general population, 28% (7x) of scientists. The inverse figures for evangelical protestants. Science probably comes with strings attached.

    Second: of course you can be a very good scientist and also very religious, if your religion says nothing about your science.

    Third: of course one can be a scientist in a field where one´s religion have strong opinions that contradict one´s science. It rests to be seen if one is really a good scientist _ or a good follower of his religion!

    Replies: @Razib Khan, @Joe Q., @PD Shaw, @Roger Sweeny

    Not only atheists and agnostics, but also Jews (2% of the general [American] public, 8% of scientists). However, in this case it is quite likely that “religious affiliation” is a poor proxy for depth of religious belief, since “Jewishness” as most American Jews define it has a massive ethno-cultural component with only tenuous links to any kind of theological world-view.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    drilldown on belief in these sorts of data show that jewish PhD/MDs are often atheists/agnostics to a high level. but when given the 'jewish' option they default to that. (though lots of jews will not select jew if they don't believe in the religion, so the % that is of jewish background is probably > 8%)

  • It's easy to point out the cultural Left's adherence to all sorts of social constructionisms. My post Men Are Stronger Than Women (On Average) has a lot of Google juice because it now gets cited online a fair amount in arguments...because people are obviously taking the converse position (not that women are stronger, but that...
  • An interesting (and pretty much canonical) proverb in Jewish orthodoxy is that it is the government that keeps the world from descending into violent chaos. (The actual quote is something like “Pray for the welfare of the government, for if people did not fear it, they would eat each other alive.”)

    At the same time, in some isolated groups of very traditional Orthodox Jews there is a widespread belief that the non-Jewish / non-religious world is steeped in licentious behaviour (random casual sex, robbery, etc.) and that those who turn away from Orthodoxy do so largely because they want to engage in said behaviour.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Joe Q.


    some isolated groups of very traditional Orthodox Jews
     
    Interesting. The two groups might have a lot of similar beliefs. Evangelicals are fond of comparing the "falling away from God" of the US to the lapses of faith of the Israelites in the Old Testament. You may have heard different evangelical TV preachers claim that some disaster or tragedy that has befallen the US is chastisement from God for our wickedness.
  • When you narrow in on a part of science it is easy to lose sight of the rest. That's how I feel when it comes to Reading in the Brain: The New Science of How We Read. It's been a while since I read much about cognitive neuroscience, so it's a novel rediscovery. Though the...
  • My recollection is that Arabic script is considered (in hindsight) fairly ill-suited to Turkish, based on the structure of the language itself (lots of open syllables, vowel harmony within words, etc.) and its poor match to a writing system that doesn’t “natively” indicate vowels in a straightforward way. The ambiguity in written language was largely resolved by switching to the Latin alphabetic system where vowels are specified explicitly.

    Of course there was a strong political layer to the issue as well (which I believe is also playing out in central Asia, where some Cyrillic alphabets are being discarded for Latin-derived ones).

    Overall though, the adaptability of alphabets is pretty interesting. There exists a rich literature in what is basically German written using the Hebrew alphabet. German written in the Hebrew alphabet is (IMO) easier to read than Hebrew written in the Hebrew alphabet.

  • @Twinkie
    @spandrell


    Has South Korea a higher literacy rate than Japan? No.
     
    Well, if I were to quibble a bit, the male literacy rate in South Korea is 99.2%. That in Japan is 99% (but the female literacy rates are, respectively, 96.6% and 99%). The North Korean rate is reported as 100%/100%, but we should take that with a giant grain of salt.

    But that's not really the point here. Perhaps if Japan had an easier-to-learn phonetic system, it would be even better off. And perhaps if South Korea still relied on Chinese logographs, it would be worse off today.

    Read the following entry about Korean Hangul in wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Other_names

    Until the early twentieth century, hangul was denigrated as vulgar by the literate elite who preferred the traditional hanja (Han script) writing system.[4] They gave it such names as:
    Achimgeul (아침글 "writing you can learn within a morning").[5] Although somewhat pejorative, this was based on the reality, as expressed by Jeong Inji, that "a wise man can acquaint himself with them before the morning is over; a stupid man can learn them in the space of ten days."[6] In the original Hanja, this is rendered as "故智者不終朝而會,愚者可浹旬而學。"[7]
    Gungmun (Hangul: 국문, hanja: 國文 "national script")
    Eonmun (Hangul: 언문, hanja: 諺文 "vernacular script")[4]
    Amgeul (암글 "women's script"; also written Amkeul 암클).[4] Am (암) is a prefix that signifies a noun is feminine
    Ahaetgeul or Ahaegeul (아햇글 or 아해글 "children's script")
     
    Pre-modern Korean elites acknowledged Hangul as being so easy to learn that it was taught to women and children for basic literacy (while the scholarly elite retained Chinese scripts for status).

    Efficiency is cool. But it doesn’t change outcomes.
     
    With all due respect, you have not demonstrated that. You merely showed that high IQ and industrious people can overcome inefficiency and can still be very successful.

    And Hong Kong wasn't built by the Chinese, but by the English-speaking British, before whose coming it was nothing but a group of some sleepy fishing villages.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    How narrowly is literacy defined? I can easily appreciate that Japanese and Korean speakers have roughly equal ability to read and understand texts of equal complexity, but I’m not sure that their ability to write texts of equal complexity (e.g., dictation) would be the same. Just too many stories (including some in this thread) about Chinese or Japanese speakers forgetting how to write the character for “knee”, or “sneeze”, etc.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Q.


    How narrowly is literacy defined?
     
    I have no clue, I am afraid. But that's a good question, to answer to which I aim to find out in the future.

    Just too many stories (including some in this thread) about Chinese or Japanese speakers forgetting how to write the character for “knee”, or “sneeze”, etc.
     
    My East Asian linguistic skills have degraded very badly due to lack of use of late, and my knowledge of Chinese logographs has disappeared the fastest. I could read probably about 3,000 at my best (when I lived and worked in East Asia), but can only read a tiny fraction of that now, and can only write an even tinier fraction. I can still read (sound out) everything in Korean, but of course, I don't necessarily comprehend all. My Japanese is somewhere in-between. But the entirety of the reason for this personal situation is due to the fact that Korean writing is phonetic!
  • The experience of Stanislas Dehaene's Reading in the Brain: The New Science of How We Read is strange. After all, you are reading about the science of reading. So as you read, you become more explicitly conscious of the cognitive processes which allow you to read in the first place. I encountered Dehaene first via...
  • Curious if Razib or any of the regulars here have read the works of Vaclav Smil (“Bill Gates’ favourite writer”). I am halfway through “Creating the Twentieth Century”. It’s an interesting historical perspective but also somewhat frustrating from a science / engineering perspective. Wondering what to tackle next.

  • Sectionalism is derived from what I term the "Dark Matter" of American history. These are deep social-cultural norms and values which predate the American Founding, and differentiate disparate regions of our nation. In fact, some of the norms likely predate the discovery of the Americas, and are rooted in ways of life which differentiated British...
  • It will be interesting to see how the trajectory of same-sex marriage in the USA compares to Canada, which is about 10-11 years ahead in the process (and instituted same-sex marriage nationwide by legislation rather than a court decision, though court rulings at the provincial level had already legalized it in much of the country).

    In Canada’s case the loudest criticism seemed to come from the Roman Catholic church hierarchy (Canada is a plurality Roman Catholic country). The RC Church criticized the nominally Catholic politicians who spearheaded the legislation, and a prominent Bishop appeared to advocate for the re-criminalization of homosexuality. There wasn’t much for opponents to hold on to in this case.

    There was a brief attempt to re-open the debate when the current Conservative government took power in 2006, but it basically fizzled. Since then, same-sex marriage has pretty much been a non-issue, to the extent that Ontario now has an openly gay Premier who is married to her partner — a fact that was rarely mentioned or discussed during the campaign, even by social conservatives.

  • The WORDSUM variable in the General Social Survey has a correlation of 0.71 with general intelligence. That is, IQ. As you can see in the figure above the distribution isn't quite normal, though those with at least a college degree are skewed toward having higher scores. A 10 out of 10 means getting the definition...
  • @Nico
    @syonredux

    Re: Protestants, it is difficult to discern what they condemn or not due to their peculiar (absence of effective) ecclesiastical government but until the 20th century most serious Protestant bodies at least had reservations about contraceptives, if not condemning them outright.

    The distinction between Ashkenazi and Sephardi is important, but the commonality they share is equally important and in the end far more special than what either one shares with any goy. A hard line Ashkenazi rabbi will eventually admit, if pressed, that there is nothing apart from expediency which would preclude a man from having multiple wives.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Joe Q.

    The distinction between Ashkenazi and Sephardi is important, but the commonality they share is equally important and in the end far more special than what either one shares with any goy. A hard line Ashkenazi rabbi will eventually admit, if pressed, that there is nothing apart from expediency which would preclude a man from having multiple wives.

    This comment overstates the differences between Sephardim and Ashkenazim. All Jewish authorities agree that polygamy is permitted “de jure” — laws of Jewish marriage, divorce, and basic relations between men and women are predicated on the idea that a man may take multiple wives even though “de facto” polygamy has been prohibited in the Ashkenazi world since the Middle Ages by force of decree (from a very influential rabbi of that period). Polygamy has not been common in the Sephardi world for some time as well.

    Differences between Sephardi and Ashkenazi practice are largely confined to some ritual activities and some aspects of dietary law. It’s hardly as if they are different religions.

    Yemeni Jews continued to practice polygamy until well into the 20th century. Note that Yemeni Jews are not Sephardi (they do not descend from 15th-c. Spanish exiles)

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Joe Q.


    All Jewish authorities agree that polygamy is permitted “de jure”
     
    Yes, that's more or less what I meant. I actually intended to rectify the comment that insinuated there was no basis for lumping the various ethno-liturical bands of Judaism in together, but I may not have gotten that across.
  • Before adolescence, when I discovered science fiction, I didn't read much fiction (a bit of Charlotte's Web and Clan of the Cave being exceptions). But I did read a lot of Greek mythology. I quickly outgrew the "childrens' section" of the library, and spent a fair amount of time reading from the adult stacks. This...
  • @Karl Zimmerman
    It seems worth mentioning that even if you major in science you will have enough "general education" requirements in college that you are bound to be exposed to some level of literature and social sciences, even if it's only 2-3 classes in each subject. AFAIK it's really only engineering (which, for whatever reason, has resisted the shift to a mandatory graduate degree of other professions) where the requirements on students are so heavy that gen-eds are essentially waived.

    My opinion on the humanities and social sciences in higher education has changed dramatically since I was involved in it. Outside of the most quantitative portions of the social sciences, I now feel like at best it trains students to be sophists - to argue well, but without much self-reflection. You are called upon to be critical of the ideas of others - to be able to deconstruct any ideas to see the bias behind them. The one exception is your own ideas. Professors may attack your sloppy writing or argumentation, but they generally will not downgrade you for having priors which are ill thought out or even indefensible. This tendency is becoming more extreme in the age of "trigger warnings" - where not only are the priors of students before entering the class not questioned, but the exposure to things which might make the students uncomfortable is also becoming verboten.

    I have to say this is one fundamental reason I believe that the idea that professors indoctrinate students in certain majors to be "SJWs" is a load of bullocks. I went to college from 1997 to 2001, when the first-wave of PC had died down, and the second wave had yet to arise. It was pretty common, even in my lefty major, to make fun of some of the precepts of PC thought. Yet I always found that fellow students were the serious enforcers of the PC code, never professors. I remember many times that avowedly liberal/socialist/feminist professors tried to talk down students who said extreme things in class - for example, a woman claiming that the difference between male and female strength was due to patriarchy, or that anyone who didn't support open borders had a racist agenda. The only case I can think of where a conservative student was belittled was when I was studying abroad in the UK, and the professor belittling him was also conservative (the student was a devout Christian, and the teacher an atheist).

    In the end I think, as with most things in society, it's peer group self-enforcement driving this crap. I would not be surprised if the vast majority of people pushing for trigger warnings are people mainly motivated by not wanting some mysterious "other" to be offended. And one thing which has universally irked me is when people of any political stripe believe they should be advocates for someone other than themselves.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    It seems worth mentioning that even if you major in science you will have enough “general education” requirements in college that you are bound to be exposed to some level of literature and social sciences, even if it’s only 2-3 classes in each subject. AFAIK it’s really only engineering (which, for whatever reason, has resisted the shift to a mandatory graduate degree of other professions) where the requirements on students are so heavy that gen-eds are essentially waived.

    That may be true in the USA, but not everywhere. I went to university in Canada as a science major and didn’t take any real literature or social science classes in my time there. I knew many others who were in a similar boat. It was simply not expected and not done. (This was in the mid-1990s)

    Conversely, the engineers were required to take electives in these areas as a condition for getting their degrees.

  • In the year 2000 I watched the film The Patriot. Some British observers protested that the depiction of frankly Nazi-like behavior by the redcoats in the film was total fiction. There are scenes in the film where slaves are promised freedom in the revolutionary cause. Even those with a cursory knowledge of history during this...
  • It is hard to imagine the existence of a Dominion dominated by groups with dissenting Protestant sympathies and economically ascendant in a manner which competes with England not being a major question in the 19th century in lieu of the American Revolution.

    Canada provides something of a natural experiment here. By the 1830s the major political forces in the Canadian colonies were just such a dissenting religious and cultural group (French-Canadian Catholics) and fellow-travelling reformers, with all the locals ruled in a heavy-handed way by Governors appointed in London, with assistance from the friendly local nouveau aristocracy (many of whom were Loyalist families).

    The Canadian colonies weren’t really economically ascendant but they provided a lot of raw material to British industry, so there was a vested interest in Britain in keeping them under firm control.

    The result was a violent rebellion in 1837-1838, followed by both the provision of responsible government (part of the slow road to Canadian political independence) and, paradoxically, by a policy of cultural assimilation that sought to overwhelm French Canada with English people, language and culture. The latter remains a grievance of mainstream French-Canadian nationalists to this day.

    • Replies: @TGGP
    @Joe Q.

    I was unaware of a Canadian rebellion.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

  • @TGGP
    @Joe Q.

    I was unaware of a Canadian rebellion.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    I was unaware of a Canadian rebellion.

    It wasn’t particularly bloody but it was politically significant, especially in Lower Canada (present-day Quebec). The focus of the rebellion was not so much the Crown (though there certainly were republican elements) so much as against the patronage-driven, quasi-aristocratic system of government.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Joe Q.

    As an American, i.e., citizen of the USA, with a Canadian mother, I am continually shocked by how ignorant my fellow citizens are of Canadian politics, economics, geography, and history. Besides the Upper Rebellion in Ontario and the Lower in Quebec there were also the Metis Wars and although Canada generally had better relations with its American Indian populations there were a number of Indian wars. There's a reason the RCMP was and to dsome degree remains, a quasi-militarey outfit.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

  • @ohwilleke

    There is also a line of economic determinism that argues that American secession from union with the metropole was inevitable.
     
    Given that Canada, Australia, New Zealand and pretty much all of the other major dependencies of the U.K. ultimately became independent countries, this is almost surely true. But, the question is when and how. Given the Canadian experience, substantial autonomy that was virtually independence would probably have come within 90 years or so of 1776, without having to resort to war.

    It was not a foregone conclusion that all thirteen colonies would join the United States until the last moment (and of course, the Canadian colonies did not and have never regretted their choice). If the 13 colonies had not declared independence in 1776, it is also possible, and even likely, that a smaller number of them (perhaps outside New England or only in the South), would have declared independence and started a Revolutionary War at some later point. There might have been half a dozen separate English speaking self-governing countries that were independent within the British Commonwealth in North American, rather than just two, each with their own stories.

    For example, I could easily imagine the Southern states declaring independence when the U.K. decided to abolish slavery, and if they did, the U.K. would probably not have put up much of a fight the way that the Union did in reality (undermining an important reason to have an American Revolution), because it is much more difficult to fight a war across an ocean (or it least it was at the time) especially against a dispersed rural Southern military force. If they did, the political course of the remaining English speaking colonies in North America would have been a lot more like Canada and indeed, they might have joined a Union with Canada.

    Indeed, the Revolutionary War was not particularly long, or particularly costly in blood and treasure, relative to many wars of independence, although Britain did get some payback later in the War of 1812 when the burned down the Capitol and the White House (a blow that could not have been struck in such a symbolically forceful way before power was consolidated in the new United States). Also, it is worth recalling that the United States as a single federal country was pretty much a failed project until the Articles of Confederation were replaced with the current U.S. Constitution in 1789. For the first 13 years, the United States was really thirteen independent countries with a shared heritage of British rule and a military alliance with each other, not a bona fide single nation.

    Even after the new constitution was adopted, the new national government wasn't much more impressive as a unified national government than the institutions of the E.U. are today until the Civil War in 1861. The budgets were tiny and financed almost entirely with customs duties (which were unpopular and divisive). The jurisdiction of the federal courts was modest. The bureaucracy left it little capacity for direct action in anything but military affairs and the postal service and mint. Federal judges and member of Congress routinely quite their jobs for more prestigious opportunities. The federal jobs that did exist were full of corrupt patronage appointees who were often incompetent. Election fraud ratified by Congressional action resolving disputed elections on partisan lines was rampant. The franchise was narrow.

    Given the small role that the revolutionary federal government was able to play in state policy making prior to 1861, it is fair to guess that the British crown would have had difficulty having much impact on how their colonists ran their affairs anyway in the early 19th century.

    Then again, Britain might not have ended slavery when it did if the Southeast United States that depended so heavily upon it were still a part of its empire (also undermining an important benefit of not having an American Revolution).

    Alternately, I could imagine the North seeking independence and being granted it through a combination of diplomacy and war or threatened war, while the South might have sought to remain in the U.K. since it was more reliant on international trade with the U.K. and might have sought an alternative to abolishing slavery that turned slaves into medieval style bound serfs with only slightly more liberty, and made plantation owners into a formally titled aristocracy with knights, and barons, and dukes, and counts and so on. Systems almost as extreme emerged in the frontier provinces of Pakistan and in Zimbabwe under British rule.

    It is not at all obvious that France would have agreed to the Louisiana purchase if the buyer had been the rival Queen of England, and not the upstart United States. English speaking colonists still probably would have tried to take the land (a la Texas, California and Hawaii where annexation followed de facto control of the territories by English speaking colonists migrants who were hostile to the pre-existing legitimate governments of Mexico and the Hawaiian king respectively). This might have made the Mississippi River basin a front in a World War between France and England a century before the first World War that the world actually experienced, which the French would probably have lost because their method of settlement didn't have the same economic staying power.

    Speaking of World Wars, if the United States was part of the British Empire, it surely would have been involved much sooner in both World War I and World War II, at a much greater cost of blood and treasure, although early U.S. involvement might have lead to the hastier defeat of the sides that opposed Britain.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Joe Q.

    Speaking of World Wars, if the United States was part of the British Empire, it surely would have been involved much sooner in both World War I and World War II

    It would have been involved in World War I immediately, by definition — individual component countries of the British Empire did not have control of their own foreign policies until the 1930s. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa entered World War I “automatically” when Britain declared war.

  • @PatrickH
    @Matt

    "... having learned lessons in America, the British Establishment gave the Australian colonies much more political freedom."

    The Australian colonies may have had more political freedom than the American colonies prior to independence, but I doubt that had much to do with lessons learned from the American experience. The example of Canada's government after the American Revolution tends to argue against the idea that Britain learned anything of the kind. In Canada, the British attempted to replicate all their most conservative institutions, from the creation of an established church (by setting aside land for C of E churches and schools), to the creation of a landed aristocracy, by attempting to sell land in parcels that were intended to be owned by landlords and rented out to tenant farmers. (There were few takers.) Further, in the wake of the American Civil War, Britain attempted to create a stronger centralized government in Canada, so that it would never experience the kind of secession movement that tore the U.S. apart. Of course, all these efforts failed, but they were real enough.

    I suspect that if Australia was allowed more political freedom than the U.S., that was because as a former penal colony it was not a promising prospect for the re-creation of an orderly hierarchical society. That's only a guess, however, as I am not knowledgeable about Australian history.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    Further, in the wake of the American Civil War, Britain attempted to create a stronger centralized government in Canada, so that it would never experience the kind of secession movement that tore the U.S. apart. Of course, all these efforts failed, but they were real enough.

    I wouldn’t say that the latter effort failed — Britain did indeed create a centralized government in the nascent Canada where there had been none before, and it has held up (secession movements notwithstanding) since 1867. Prior to the early 1860s it was not at all clear that the Atlantic colonies — which were politically and geographically isolated from Canada East and Canada West — would or should join with the Canadian colonies, and there was a lot of resentment and nervousness in Nova Scotia in particular (which has a strong legacy in the way Canada is governed).

    However, you are certainly correct that the Civil War had an effect on the whole endeavour — people living in British North America were horrified, and the whole thing put a huge damper on republican movements in Canada, as well as leading to the exclusion of the word “Confederacy” from the country’s official name.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Joe Q.

    An interesting sidenote regards the large number of "British North Americans" who served in the Civil War, almost all on the Union side:


    The best recent estimates are that between 33,000 and 55,000 men from British North America (BNA) served in the Union army, and a few hundred in the Confederate army.
     

    However, you are certainly correct that the Civil War had an effect on the whole endeavour — people living in British North America were horrified, and the whole thing put a huge damper on republican movements in Canada, as well as leading to the exclusion of the word “Confederacy” from the country’s official name.
     
    More than just that, though.Concerns over possible attempts to annex Canada were stoked by the war, which provided a further impetus for Confederation.Also, many of the architects of Confederation ( cf John A. Macdonald)felt that the the "looseness" of the American Union had been a a key factor in the Civil War, and that feeling contributed to the structure of the new federal system in Canada.

    Here's a recent book on the topic of Canada and the American Civil War:

    Blood and Daring: How Canada Fought the American Civil War and Forged a Nation
    by John Boyko

    http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Daring-Canada-Fought-American/dp/0307361462
  • @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Joe Q.

    As an American, i.e., citizen of the USA, with a Canadian mother, I am continually shocked by how ignorant my fellow citizens are of Canadian politics, economics, geography, and history. Besides the Upper Rebellion in Ontario and the Lower in Quebec there were also the Metis Wars and although Canada generally had better relations with its American Indian populations there were a number of Indian wars. There's a reason the RCMP was and to dsome degree remains, a quasi-militarey outfit.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    I’m not shocked or surprised at all… It’s a consequence of Canada’s small population and the USA’s extraordinarily strong inward-looking tendencies.

    I lived in the USA for a number of years, and found that even people from border states knew little about Canada. The most common questions I got were related to French-Canadians (why weren’t they forcibly assimilated?) and to Canada’s status as an independent country (isn’t it colony of the UK?)

    One wonders which is preferable — the status quo or deeper involvement. We are “sleeping with an elephant”, after all.

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/pierretrud112307.html

  • @Another Canadian
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I'm happier with "The Patriot" than other representations of the war. At least The Patriot recognized that independence was won from Kings Mountain to Yorktown. New Yorkers, Bostonians, etc. have wrestled credit for that success over the years from the Virginia and Carolina militias and the Virginia Line (and of course, the French) who actually defeated the British on the field of battle. Also, don't forget the concurrent civil war in the south between the Tories and Whigs. They drink sweet tea in Toronto just like they do in Charleston because of the events of 1780-81.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Joe Q.

    I had to look up what you meant by “sweet tea” — I see that it means “sweetened iced tea” in the USA. Iced tea is not that popular in southern Ontario, but if you ask for it, you will indeed usually get the sweetened kind.

    If you ask for “sweet tea” you will get a cup of hot tea with sugar.

    I don’t doubt that there were a lot of “Tories” from the southern states who came to Canada, but I would be surprised if they were anywhere close to a majority. There is a reason Canadians speak like people from the northern US border states (and not like Brits or US southerners)

  • A friend of mine proudly told me recently that she'd purchased an unabridged edition of The History and Geography of Human Genes. Turns out that there are some affordable used copies floating around (under $50, like the Atari 2600!). Flipping through the old unabridged edition I had to admit: a lot of the assertions derived...
  • What do all those TLAs stand for? Is there an acronym glossary somewhere?

  • I've been looking at some European genotype data. So I have some samples from Greece. One of the things I noticed is that there seem to be two clusters of Greece. You can see it above. The Italian sample is really a southern Italian one (not Sicilian though). The Balkan sample are Serbs, Bulgarians, and...
  • @LevantineJew
    Controversial Soviet historian Lev Gumilyov's view was that modern Greeks are Hellenized Slavs. I think he also thought that Byzantine Greeks from Asia Minor were "real" Greeks.

    One interesting anecdote is that Cyrillic alphabet was developed for the dialect of Slavs from Salun (Thessaloniki). So at the time Thessaloniki had a large Slavic population.

    Even today there are some Bulgarian-speaking Muslim Slavs in Greek Thrace [2]. In my opinion the only reason that they survived as an ethnic minority is a different religion. Had they been Greek Orthodox they would've assimilated into Greek identity, like for example Aromanians [3].
    Part of Albanians also may have Slavic ancestry.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Gumilyov
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomaks
    [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromanians

    Replies: @LevantineJew, @Joe Q.

    On a similar note, I remember seeing a video about a group of Greek-speaking Muslims in northern Turkey (Trebizond area? Can’t remember) They are said to speak a relatively “pure” Byzantine Greek even after all these centuries. They are Muslim but somehow have not assimilated into the Turkish-speaking majority population.

  • A while back I purchased In God's Path: The Arab Conquests and the Creation of an Islamic Empire on Tom Holland's recommendation, as this work purports to be based on a spare, but historically contemporaneous, set of sources rooted in the non-Muslim societies which Islam ultimately superseded across the Middle East. The book was a...
  • @Razib Khan
    @LevantineJew

    three points

    1) i the egyptian point is good. but i doubt akhenaten 'invented' monotheism. i think it's an idea that's probably a natural part of the human cognitive portfolio. in particular, monalotry and henotheism, seem pretty obvious as practices. the monotheism, well, that came later for the jews, and i think being part of the cosmopolitan world and perhaps even greek philosophy (distantly) might have influenced that.

    2) i should have been clear, but i don't make a big distinction between mesopatamia and persia here. obviously there are huge differences, but since the conquest of babylon i think it is hard to tease the two apart, rather like the co-dominion of greek and latin in the classical west.

    3) i think you need to be qualified re: polygyny. these were ashkenazi, right? did the italian or sephardim go along with that? i know that even today some yemeni jews promote the practice, though it can't happen in israel, last i heard israel will accept polygamous marriages from places like morocco.

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Sam Shama

    Razib — I would agree that it is hard to tease Mesopotamia apart from Persia as a whole, but given that the Persians ran their empire in a fairly “hands-off” way when it came to the different ethnicities living therein (at least by the standards of the era) I think it is worth making a distinction.

    The Jewish community overall seems to have been quite comfortable in the Sassanid empire, for the most part. They had a considerable degree autonomy and were generally treated well by the authorities, but so far as I can tell from my reading, the authorities in question were usually local Babylonian administrators, not often Persians per se. So you find that overall there are very few Persian loan words or expressions in the Babylonian Talmud and only sporadic mention of specific Persian rulers.

    I am sure that the Persian milieu had a big influence on Talmudic civil law, but it is hard to discern where the critical Persian influence on Talmudic religious law lies. Apparently there are some very “Zoroastrian” theological ideas scattered throughout the Talmud, but there are also some clearly anti-Zoroastrian comments as well. The Rabbis fairly roundly rejected dualism.

    As for polygyny, it is true that only the Ashkenazim explicitly forbade it via the decree of Rabbeinu Gershom, but many Sephardim (especially in urban Europe and North Africa) followed the ban as well, and my understanding is that it became increasingly uncommon over the centuries in that community. The Yemenites of course practiced polygyny well into the 20th century.

  • I've been on the internet for over 20 years. When I initially got on the net I remember interacting with people who lived in England, and it was so cool! At one point I recall getting into a talk session with someone who lived in Ecuador. If you lived through the era of Wired circa...
  • I used to tell non-techie people that “the Internet helps connect people (of similar hobbies or interests) that ordinarily would never find each other”. I think this was very true in the era of Listservs, USENET, later PHP-BB forums for every conceivable topic, and later still the comments sections of popular blogs. A lot of that activity has since moved to Twitter and special-interest FB groups, not necessarily for the better IMO.

    FB itself is a bit of a strange beast. Great for keeping in touch with former classmates and colleagues, seeing what they’re up to, seeing pictures of their kids. In that case it takes the place of the “annual Christmas letter”. I’m not sure it’s quite as a good as a forum for discussion or debate — it is a bit too one-stop shop — like an unholy mix of business and pleasure.

    Twitter is something I still struggle with. I know a lot of people love it, but I find it far too ephemeral, the signal-to-noise ratio so low that one’s senses become overloaded. I only really use it for things that are not available elsewhere (public-transit system notifications and interesting people with no other online presence) Perhaps I’m just “doing it wrong”.

  • The vast majority of the phone conversations I have with people are either on cell phones of via Skype. One of the consequences of this is the changing of the norms and expectations which accrued with telephone usage over the 20th century. For example, I don't really know anyone's number (does anyone know anyone's "Skype...
  • @Sgt. Joe Friday
    Yup, here in southern California people from certain parts of the Inland Empire are referred to by people in coastal areas as "909ers." It's not a compliment.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    A similar situation obtains in Canada. The region of suburbs surrounding the City of Toronto is known as “the 905”, and its residents (about 4M of them) as “905ers”, after its area code (which split off from the main southern Ontario code some time back). It’s not necessarily pejorative though.

  • Today I got on the internet after spending the morning with my kids and then lifting with a friend, to see Tyler Cowen say this: "this is one of the very best non-fiction books of the year," in relation to Genghis Khan: His Conquests, His Empire, His Legacy. I've read a fair amount on the...
  • I too will give Genghis Khan book a try — I recently finished “Empires of the Silk Road” and have to admit that while there was certainly a lot of information in it, I found it somewhat tedious and (by the end) embarrassing.

  • Several weeks ago I found out that the historian Lisa Jardine had died. This saddened me, as I have appreciated Jardine's works. In particular two works stand out in my mind. Worldly Goods, which I read when I was 18, and which helped me to understand that there was a different sort of history from...
  • RIP. I read “Ingenious Pursuits” some years ago and quite liked it.

  • Most people know that animal breeding has a long history. At least since the Neolithic revolution, and probably in some fashion earlier if you consider that dog-human interaction/co-evolution dates to the Pleistocene. In some ways this is not always a good thing, when you consider flourishing from the perspective of the animal. It is a...
  • Interesting article in Chemical and Engineering News a couple months back about animal trials of cancer therapeutics. Many dog breeds have had highly elevated risks of particular cancers accidentally “bred in”. E.g. Scottish Terriers at a 19-fold higher risk of developing bladder cancer compared to other breeds.

    http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i33/Fido-Fetch-Cure.html

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    yes. i have friends who work with dogs for this reason.

  • The above is from an article in Nature, A test that fails. Two stories first. One of my good friends who went to grad school at MIT got a good ribbing from his roommates because he was the only one who didn't get a perfect score on the math portion of the GRE. Luckily for...
  • I find this interesting. I was accepted at some pretty good grad schools (in the sciences — but obviously one of the “lesser” sciences) with far lower than an 800 in the math GRE. I don’t recall ever being asked about my GRE scores, or extensively discussing them with classmates or professors (except for one acquaintance — a native English speaker — who went to a top-five graduate program in the hard sciences with a verbal GRE score in the 500s)

    What seemed far more important in terms of admissions was the reputation of the undergraduate institution (i.e., has this institution previously produced candidates that have gone on to do well in our graduate program) and the candidate’s undergraduate research experience.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    I don’t recall ever being asked about my GRE scores, or extensively discussing them with classmates or professors

    often today they are just useful as cut offs. once you are beyond a threshold it might not be a big issue. e.g., econ program won't even look at ppl with GRE score below 700, and all competitive applicants are > 750. for biology is it certainly lower.

  • The guy who runs the Pop vs. Soda page has really improved it. You can look at county level metrics just by hovering over the county. You can see counts, to get a good sense of the confidence in the representation of the underlying demographics. One thing that must be amended is that it's not...
  • Pretty much all of Canada is “Pop” territory.

    “Soda” I can understand, but “Coke”? Boggles the mind. I can’t imagine how those conversations play out.

    Waiter: Would you like something to drink?
    Customer: Sure, what kinds of Coke do you have?
    Waiter: We have Coke, Sprite, ginger ale, and Orange Crush.
    Customer: I’ll have a ginger ale then.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Joe Q.


    but “Coke”? Boggles the mind
     
    Brand name used as generic.

    Kleenex instead of tissue
    Q-Tip instead of cotton swab
    Frigidaire instead of refrigerator

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    , @cthulhu
    @Joe Q.

    That's pretty much exactly how it plays out (I grew up in a region that was 50% Coke / 50% pop).

    , @CJ
    @Joe Q.

    Pretty much all of Canada is “Pop” territory.

    True, but "soda" does get used in the Maritime provinces, Newfoundland, and it was used in the English Quebec of my youth -- I don't know about today.

    One clear indicator from that map is that western New York (Buffalo, Tonawanda, Niagara Falls) is culturally part of the Midwest, quite distinct from Ithaca or Syracuse.

    The Pop vs. Soda website has indeed been upgraded. Thanks for the post Mr. Khan.

  • @iffen
    @Joe Q.


    but “Coke”? Boggles the mind
     
    Brand name used as generic.

    Kleenex instead of tissue
    Q-Tip instead of cotton swab
    Frigidaire instead of refrigerator

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Michelle

    Brand name used as generic.

    Kleenex instead of tissue
    Q-Tip instead of cotton swab
    Frigidaire instead of refrigerator

    I don’t think it’s that simple. We’re not talking about all types of cola being referred to as Coke (which I could understand, and which would be analogous to your examples) but rather all types of soft drink regardless of their flavour or colour.

    Anyone with working colour vision and taste buds can instantly tell the difference between Coke, Sprite, Ginger Ale and Orange Crush. The only things they have in common is that they are aqueous, fizzy, and sweet. Yet in some places they’re all referred to as “Coke”. It’s as if paper towels and toilet paper were all called “Kleenex”. Makes no sense.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Joe Q.

    We are saying that all types of cola were(is) called Coke and that it spilled over to orange, grape, ginger ale, etc. Actually in the olden days it was Co-Cola or Co-Coler depending on where you were. We don't even need to mention that it was frequently just ordered as a "dope".

    I should have written facial tissue.

    I can't do anything about it not making sense.

    , @Justpassingby
    @Joe Q.

    I grew up in southern Arizona in the 50's & 60's.

    We referred to soft drinks as "soda-pop". So much so, that I've never understood why that compound word is never offered as a choice in these sorts of surveys.

    We knew the word "pop" from movies and TV shows with, e.g., NYC locales, but didn't use it.

    The word "soda", by itself, referred to ice cream concoctions such as chocolate or strawberry sodas.

    When we grew older, soda-pop was deemed to be a kid's drink, and we then referred to all soft drinks as "cokes":

    "Let's get a coke"
    "Okay"
    "What do you want?
    "Give me a root beer."

    Why "coke"? Looking back, I think it may have been due to the fact that, at least in our area, Coca-Cola was the first to put dispensing "towers" in soda fountains and drug store/5-&-Dime lunch counters (the fast-food outlets of their day). These towers displayed the coke logo.

    The towers dispensed a finished product. The counter person no longer had to mix syrup and fizz water together to make a Coke. They also dispensed one or two other soft drinks the Coca-Cola distributer might carry.

    And it dispensed plain fizz water. So, if you ordered a Green River or a Cherry Fizz, the counter person would pump a portion of those syrups into a glass and then go to the coke tower to get the fizz water.

    In other words, in those places, any soft drink you ordered would come, one way or another, from the tower displaying the Coca-Cola logo. Hence, they were all "cokes".

  • A friend of mine, a man-in-tech of eminently WASP background of moderately liberal orientation in case you care, has been bemoaning the downstream consequences of the floundering of Marissa Mayer of Yahoo!, the confused direction of 23andMe under Anne Wojcicki, and finally, there is Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos. These are three separate cases. I don't...
  • The Theranos narrative always seemed a bit fishy to me. The idea of using a benchtop device to get accurate and reliable biochemistry results from miniscule quantities of blood is, to me, one of those extraordinary claims that requires extraordinary evidence, and that evidence is thin on the ground, IMO.

    People sometimes compare Holmes to Steve Jobs (and her clothing choice would seem to encourage such a comparison) but the “technology readiness” ladder Theranos has to climb in order to be successful is necessarily much taller than anything Apple has faced. I think the WSJ is correct in pointing out that the public has been somewhat bamboozled by Holmes’ story (the nobility of her cause, dropping out of Stanford to pursue her dream, etc.) as well as by Theranos’ heavyweight board of directors.

  • It's Darwin Day. I'm a little ambivalent about the sort of cultishness that sometimes accrues to Charles Darwin. But it is probably a phenomenon that only makes sense in light of the culture war started by evolution-rejectionists. But there is reason to be optimistic on this; according to the GSS young people tend to be...
  • @Sam

    But, I’m a bit concerned that only ~8 percent have read The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection (though one more than The Structure of Evolutionary Theory).
     
    You shouldn't necessarily be concerned. I'm guessing you're making the assumption here that most of your readers are mostly interested genetics in a deep way? That may be the case to be honest but personally I have a lot more interest in your political/cultural and especially historical themes. So I wasn't likely to be interested in genetics anyway. You could have added a question asking whether the reader was primarily interested in genetics or not to avoid people like me diluting the poll.I may be an exception, I doubt it, but I imagine a good fraction come for your non-genetic posts.

    Replies: @AG, @Joe Q.

    You shouldn’t necessarily be concerned. I’m guessing you’re making the assumption here that most of your readers are mostly interested genetics in a deep way? That may be the case to be honest but personally I have a lot more interest in your political/cultural and especially historical themes. So I wasn’t likely to be interested in genetics anyway.

    I’m pretty much in the same boat. I’m a science type, but not a biologist. The genetics stuff is interesting — but not enough for me personally to make the effort to delve into textbooks for fun — it’s the historical stuff that keeps me coming back.

  • The above graph shows the diversity of Silicon Valley firms. There is an under-representation of black Americans and people of Latino cultural backgrounds. But there are many people of Asian ethnic origins. Since "Asians," defined as people who inhabit the sweep of land between the Indus and east and north toward the Amur river, compose...
  • I suspect the headline on the Quartz article was selected, by someone other than the author, to be inflammatory “by design”. The article focuses much more on women in tech (gender balance) than about the ethnic makeup of the SV workforce.

  • Reading The Shape of Ancient Thought. Not a light read, but worthwhile so far. I'm not a big fan of metaphysics in general, but the empirical patterns are interesting. Surprised at the likely Mesopotamian influence on both India and Greece, though in hindsight it makes sense. More to say on this later.... Some people are...
  • The title of the article on Bangladeshi UN peacekeepers reads “Why One Small Nation Plays a Major Role in Peacekeeping” — perhaps it’s small geographically, but they’ve got more people than France and Germany put together.

    Its contribution to UN peacekeeping forces is impressive though.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    i noticed that too. bangladesh is the size of new york. but 60% of america's population.

    , @Odoacer
    @Joe Q.

    When I think about the people of China, India and other populous countries, it kind of boggles my mind. Billions of people live in "poor" countries! It is especially disheartening when I think about differing standards of living, e.g. 71% of people in Nigeria don't have a private toilet, life expectancy in the Philippines is 68 years, child malnutrition in Bangladesh is almost 50%, etc. I mean, most people in the West have it pretty good compared to that.

    I oftentimes wonder what is going to happen in the future wrt jobs, standards of living, economics, etc. Knowing that things are generally getting better helps, but there are a lot of people for who an Western lifestyle would be a huge improvement. Will the west always have a comparative advantage over other 6 billion people on the planet? Will standards of living continue to increase if the economy decreases?

    , @Twinkie
    @Joe Q.


    Its contribution to UN peacekeeping forces is impressive though.
     
    Bangladesh earn hundreds of millions of dollars each year from the participation in UN peacekeeping efforts. The UN pays relatively high salaries and the contributing government typically pockets the difference between the salaries and what it actually pays the soldiers. Pakistan and India also participate significantly in the UN peacekeeping missions.

    South Asian UN forces are typically more reliable and disciplined than most African troops (which isn't saying much), but you can't rely on them in any kind of a serious fight. I wouldn't exactly use words like "contribution" and "impressive." To be blunt, they are combat-averse cannon fodder used in cruddy places where Western troops are considered too valuable to deploy.

    Replies: @Numinous

  • To me 1984 is really insightful not for its depiction of totalitarianism, but the way in which modern American democratic politics cynically re-imagine the past. I have always been intrigued by George H. W. Bush (and more broadly the politicians within the family) shifting from a pro-choice supporter of planned parenthood sympathetic to population control,...
  • Could there be a linguistic element to the more potent Islamization of the Moroccan community vs. the Turkish one? I would imagine that the bulk of social-media / recruiting content would be in Arabic.

    • Replies: @Karl Zimmerman
    @Joe Q.

    My understanding is Moroccan Arabic is so divergent from the Arabic spoken in the near east that it's functionally an independent language (similar to Chinese "dialacts"). Maghrebis often have to use English to talk to Near Eastern Arabs if both parties aren't conversant in Classical Arabic.

    Replies: @Razib Khan

  • About one week ago I wrote about bilingual education, and I admitted my mild skepticism about the research about the benefits of bilingualism. A friend emailed me and wondered why I was only "mildly skeptical." Partly I didn't want the comments to get sidetracked, but recently friends on Facebook have started to get exercised that...
  • @CupOfCanada
    I thought Ron Unz was campaigning against unilingual education? California seems to be the only place that calls this "bilingualism." What Unz is fighting for is actually greater bilingualism for children from Spanish speaking homes. Just because California calls unilingual Spanish education "bilingual" doesn't mean it actually is.

    I don't think the evidence for impacts on things like executive control were ever all that convincing. The evidence for improved 3rd language acquisition seemed to be the most solid. That being said...


    Read the whole thing.
     
    I would if not for the paywall. Anyone have a link a "free" copy of the paper? It would be good to see if they specifically looked at any of the very well cited papers on this topic. It's rather hard to discuss the topic at all without it.

    One thing that I think is important to control for is self-selection in immersion programs. In Canada at least, immersion programs skew strongly to higher socioeconomic backgrounds, and even for immersion students from less well off backgrounds, I think it's reasonable to assume that the parents of kids in immersion programs are more invested in their children's education than average simply by virtue of taking the initiative to choose a specialized program for their child.

    This can matter a lot though. Except in very equal countries like Denmark, the family income of one's classmates plays a greater role than one's own parental income. It's very much worth your while to try to influence who your children's peers will be. (Sorry for people who think the heritability of intelligence is the primary cause here - it isn't, at least not in the US or Canada or most Western countries. I can provide a source if there's an interest.)

    It actually makes immersion programs a bit controversial sometimes - some people accuse governments of favouring rich kids at the expense of other students when they put resources into immersion.

    I'd be curious as to your (and others) take on this paper:

    The relation of bilingualism to intelligence
    http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/mon/76/27/1/
    1466 citations

    Bilingualism, Aging, and Cognitive Control:
    Evidence From the Simon Task

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Raymond_Klein/publication/8485256_Bilingualism_aging_and_cognitive_control_evidence_from_the_Simon_task/links/02e7e5162c0ba8be64000000.pdf
    950 citations

    Those are the highest citation papers I could find on the subject. Are they addressed by de Bruin?

    Replies: @Razib Khan, @Joe Q., @Vijay, @Thirdeye

    One thing that I think is important to control for is self-selection in immersion programs. In Canada at least, immersion programs skew strongly to higher socioeconomic backgrounds, and even for immersion students from less well off backgrounds, I think it’s reasonable to assume that the parents of kids in immersion programs are more invested in their children’s education than average simply by virtue of taking the initiative to choose a specialized program for their child.

    I think this is an important factor. In this case though, it’s probably hard to compare. The California system Razib is describing is more like the Francophone public schools we have in Ontario (and perhaps some other provinces) than like French Immersion.

    • Replies: @CupOfCanada
    @Joe Q.

    More extreme than the French school boards it seems even. They introduce English at age 10, where in California it was age 13. Franco-Ontarians are just 5% of the population - francophones are exposed to a great deal of English from every day life at a very early age. Spanish speakers are 30% of the population of California. This is a different case entirely.

    IIRC, people in the French school system actually score better on standardized tests for English in Ontario lol. The French school boards use it as a selling point. (Likely self selection going on here too, but that's not a bad thing for the kids involved.)

    Replies: @Razib Khan, @Vijay

  • The map to the left is derived from 2005 census data from South Korea. You see religious affiliation by region. The blue bar represent Buddhists. The purple bar Protestants. And the orange bar are Catholics. The figures do not add up to 100% because a large number of South Koreans do not have a religious...
  • Interesting piece, Razib. Here in Toronto there is a large evangelical Christian Korean-Canadian community. There are seven or eight Korean Presbyterian churches in the city, some of which are enormous.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    huge diff btwn koreans and korean north americans

    http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/08/FT_14.08.04_Religion-in-South-Korea_4shareChristian640px.png

    - protestantism far more dominant in k. north americans than south koreans
    - buddhism marginal north america, more numerous than protestants in s. korean
    - catholic protestant ratio on the order of 1:2 in south korea. 1:6 in north american. the catholic representation in north america is the same as in south korea, while protestants are 3x what they are in south korea
    - no religious affiliation 0.5x in north america

    Replies: @Twinkie

  • Facts are important. But they can be inconvenient. Despite the stream of "think" pieces about "hookup culture" over the past decade there is no evidence that young people today are more promiscuous than in the past. In fact, on the contrary. Young people today are by most measures less promiscuous than past post-WW2 generations, in...
  • @jtgw
    @Razib Khan

    Ashkenazi Jews have a long history of joking about the goyishe kop; the fact that their Christian neighbors were generally illiterate peasants with IQs of about 1 SD below theirs meshed very nicely with the ancient rabbinical injunctions against mixing with the nations. My wife's family is Jewish but very liberal and open-minded, but they often talk about the downright paranoia about gentile American society that still afflicts their Jewish friends and associates. These friends will talk about being the only Jew in the room the way that whites will talk about walking into black neighborhoods.

    Come to think of it, I wonder if, in a Baltimore context, fear of "gentiles" is really just code for fear of blacks.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    These friends will talk about being the only Jew in the room the way that whites will talk about walking into black neighborhoods.

    I’ve heard a lot of “only Jew in the room” type comments but it’s an ethnic diversity observation more often than not (i.e., “everyone in this room is a European-American [nominal] Christian except me”). I personally have never heard it used to express a feeling of being threatened.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    @Joe Q.

    I can see how it could be a neutral observance, but according to my in-laws, this was definitely not how it was meant and they found it strange. But her family live in Baltimore, in a rich white neighborhood, and as I said, it occurred to me that maybe it was code for fear of di shvartsen. Fear of white gentiles is just not rational in this day and age, but it's no doubt more socially acceptable to say that non-Jews make you nervous, where naive listeners would assume you meant whites, than to say outright that blacks make you nervous.

    But then again, my in-laws say they've met fellow Jews were not at all dissembling about their fear and contempt for blacks.

  • The origins of Islam are fascinating, because the religion is critically important in the modern world, but its genesis within history is surprisingly vague for its first decades. Muslims have their own historiagraphy, and some Western historians, such as Hugh Kennedy transmit this narrative with high fidelity, albeit shorn of sectarian presuppositions and strongly leavened...
  • I know little about the early history of Islam, but how certain can we be of the relationship of the Qurayshi of today to the Qurayshi of ca. 1,500 years ago? One would think there’d be some incentive for outsiders to fraudulently claim membership in a particularly “noble” tribe.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    @Joe Q.

    It's all BS, like the "sayyidis" Muhammad and his companions would have hundreds of millions of descendants by now

  • Life has been busy. Very busy. The company I'm working for is ramping up on releasing product...as in on the order of weeks, not months. We've already released results to a few early beta testers, and are taking reservations for orders (basically you are in the front of the line for notification when the orders...
  • The map is fascinating. Bulgaria and the former DDR stick out like sore thumbs. And I do agree with the previous poster that the near-white area around Poland / Belarus / Ukraine seems to roughly trace out the borders of Poland as it existed in the inter-war years.

    The caption states “children born out of wedlock” — I wonder how the survey data was actually collected. (I.e., children currently under the age of 13 who were born to unmarried parents vs. total fraction of the population whose parents were unmarried at the time of their birth)

  • The Time and Place of European Admixture in the Ashkenazi Jewish History: The Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) population is important in medical genetics due to its high rate of Mendelian disorders and other unique genetic characteristics. Ashkenazi Jews have appeared in Europe in the 10th century, and their ancestry is thought to involve an admixture of...
  • @ohwilleke
    @Karl Zimmerman

    Black Plague plus pogroms could be a one-two punch mostly in the right time frame.

    But, I don't think that even that effect was severe enough to create the right kind of bottle neck (and the historical record of pogroms in Europe is actually one of the best very long historical data sets out there). Founder effects due to numerically fairly small migrations to Europe, and huge numbers of Jews in the Levant being subsumed in Islam seems more likely.

    I continue to be struck by the shallowness of the historical record on the issue from the 5th to 10th centuries. Yes, I know, the dark ages and all, but there was some historical record being made then and this seems like a critical gap in our understanding.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    I agree with you about the historical gap — it frustrates many people interested in Jewish history — the thing to remember is that the proto-Ashkenazi community was tiny both in size and in influence during this period. The centres of population and intellectual activity were much farther east.

  • @U. Ranus
    @Anonymous

    Does it have to be an external event at all?

    Before: pretty exogamous Jews.
    After: extremely endogamous Jews.

    Unless one day a Rabbi declared "enough with the mischlings!" and everybody obeyed, what we see today are the descendants of the original population's extreme-endogamy fraction – which wouldn't have been exactly everybody, considering that this population was created through exogamy.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    It may not have been a rabbinic declaration but rather the Christianization of the Roman Empire that made Judaism as a whole (including conversion to Judaism) less tolerable. Certainly there were a lot of anti-Jewish edicts starting especially in the mid-300s AD.

  • Reading The Essential Talmud about ten years ago I vaguely recall the author stating that it was common for working class males to devote each day to one page of one a tractate from the commentaries on the oral law of the Jewish religion. As I am not religious, and look dimly on excessive orthopraxy,...
  • The Talmud study practice you refer to in the opening of your post is called Daf Yomi (“daily page”) and is fairly new in relative terms — less than 100 years old. There is a set worldwide schedule and everyone participating studies the same page on the same day. It takes about seven years to read through the entire Talmud at this pace.

    One thing to note is that most of the Talmud is very mundane. There are some “theological” discussions but enormous sections of it have to do with civil law, damages, elements of ritual practice, etc. It is mostly a logical analysis, attempting to reconcile differences of opinion between Rabbis and attribute statements that are not clear based on other statements that are. There is some story-telling and folk medicine. There’s not a lot of talk about God.

    In practice working-class males were expected to engage in some traditional learning, but usually lighter fare. A page of Talmud a day in the original is a pretty major commitment and not really do-able except for the highly educated.

    • Replies: @Moshe
    @Joe Q.

    Nah, lots of morons do daf yomi. In fact it helps to be a moron. What human interested in learning goes to a daf yomi shiur? I've met plenty of talmidei chachamim, from chareidi to heretic and if any of them did daf yomi it was as a minor part of their gemara study. I never met a "dafyominik" who was actually intelligent about anything.

    As for God, yup, not much about God. These people worship Toirah, not God. Is all actually rather musty and robotic.

    As for logical analysis, sure, but in laughably illogical ways.

    Selah.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

  • @Moshe
    @Joe Q.

    Nah, lots of morons do daf yomi. In fact it helps to be a moron. What human interested in learning goes to a daf yomi shiur? I've met plenty of talmidei chachamim, from chareidi to heretic and if any of them did daf yomi it was as a minor part of their gemara study. I never met a "dafyominik" who was actually intelligent about anything.

    As for God, yup, not much about God. These people worship Toirah, not God. Is all actually rather musty and robotic.

    As for logical analysis, sure, but in laughably illogical ways.

    Selah.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    It’s logical within its four daled amos. You’ve got to give it credit. By modern rational standards, not so much.

  • When people ask me what they should read to understand genetics, I don't really know what to say. But An Introduction to Genetic Analysis is what I reviewed for my genetics qualifying exam. If you want to understand what PCA is, the Wikipedia page should suffice, especially if you have taken linear algebra. Perhaps ironically...
  • Re: post-docs for those heading to industrial careers — they aren’t needed for training purposes, but they provide a competitive advantage to the job-seeker in an environment where there are more PhD graduates than relevant job openings. We have the same phenomenon in chemistry.

    Re: gentrification: Razib writes “only people who can afford there should be able to live there”. In the case of home-owners, the “affordability” that matters may be decades in the past, and gentrification becomes an age thing. Here in Toronto the average house price is about ten times the median household income, and prices have been going up around 5-15% per year consistently for the last 12-13 years (with a brief blip in 2008-9), so age ends up being a better predictor of home-ownership than income is.

  • Sorry about the light posting. I'll get back into gear in a few days. Very busy professionally and personally the past week or so. I've been getting into writing Python code, as opposed to reading it. It's a different beast altogether, obviously. I'm a lot slower than I would be in Perl, but I'm getting...
  • Last year I decided that I needed to learn a “modern” programming language (I’m part of the generation that used Turbo Pascal in high-school). I don’t do any programming for a living but felt it would be a useful skill. Python seems to be the recommendation of choice for people in my situation, so that’s what I went with. It seems very readable and intuitive, compared to what I’ve seen of some other languages.

  • Parents Didn’t Just Dislike Super Nintendo 25 Years Ago—They Thought It Was a Scam. Fun fact: I stopped playing video games when I was 16. Mostly because it was taking up too much of my time. This means that I'm excluded from a lot of conversation and pop culture. So be it. Excited to be...
  • I’m always somewhat surprised when big American scientific societies hold their annual meetings in Canada. I’d think it would pose an enormous barrier for many potential attendees (those without passports, or foreign students or trainees who would need special visas).

    Vancouver is pretty crunchy-granola in many respects, and has the West Coast vibe going just like Seattle, but AFAIK Seattle is a lot more white than Vancouver. Vancouver is about 40% Asian (mix of East Asian and South Asian).

    The ethnic diversity is pretty standard for Canadian cities. What sets Vancouver apart these days is the whole housing issue (one of the most expensive housing markets, on an income-multiple basis, in the Western world). It’s all-consuming and is slowly turning the city into a kind of casino for the ultra-rich.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Q.


    Vancouver is pretty crunchy-granola in many respects, and has the West Coast vibe going just like Seattle, but AFAIK Seattle is a lot more white than Vancouver. Vancouver is about 40% Asian (mix of East Asian and South Asian).
     
    "Hongcouver" was transformed when the moneyed half of Hong Kong parked its families there while the menfolk ("astronauts") remained in Hong Kong to continue make money around the time of the handover back to the PRC.

    Seattle has always been a substantially Asian-, especially Japanese-, influenced city (it was also the old hangout of Bruce Lee and he was buried there), and its largest minority population has been Asian rather than Hispanic or black. But, unlike Vancouver, Seattle's Asian population has been heavily assimilated rather than "fresh off the boat." Hence, Seattle has more white-Asian intermarriages and worse Asian (Chinese and Indian) food than Vancouver. The latter also has much better Persian food.

    Although Seattle has become whiter of late, the surrounding business suburbs, including Bellevue and Redmond have become heavily Asian (especially Indian) due to the whole tech industry/H1B visa phenomenon. Issaquah, for example, used to be a sleepy "boonies" town with almost exclusively white residents, but now is close to 20% Asian.

    Both Seattle and Vancouver areas had their own character once, but they sadly seem to be transforming into NorCal-lites.

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Jefferson

  • @Twinkie
    @Joe Q.


    Vancouver is pretty crunchy-granola in many respects, and has the West Coast vibe going just like Seattle, but AFAIK Seattle is a lot more white than Vancouver. Vancouver is about 40% Asian (mix of East Asian and South Asian).
     
    "Hongcouver" was transformed when the moneyed half of Hong Kong parked its families there while the menfolk ("astronauts") remained in Hong Kong to continue make money around the time of the handover back to the PRC.

    Seattle has always been a substantially Asian-, especially Japanese-, influenced city (it was also the old hangout of Bruce Lee and he was buried there), and its largest minority population has been Asian rather than Hispanic or black. But, unlike Vancouver, Seattle's Asian population has been heavily assimilated rather than "fresh off the boat." Hence, Seattle has more white-Asian intermarriages and worse Asian (Chinese and Indian) food than Vancouver. The latter also has much better Persian food.

    Although Seattle has become whiter of late, the surrounding business suburbs, including Bellevue and Redmond have become heavily Asian (especially Indian) due to the whole tech industry/H1B visa phenomenon. Issaquah, for example, used to be a sleepy "boonies" town with almost exclusively white residents, but now is close to 20% Asian.

    Both Seattle and Vancouver areas had their own character once, but they sadly seem to be transforming into NorCal-lites.

    Replies: @Joe Q., @Jefferson

    Yes, the “astronaut” effect in the 1990s was hugely influential, but Vancouver had an enormous Asian character before that — lots of Japanese, Chinese and Indian immigration, some of which has been fairly well assimilated.

    “Astronaut” phenomena are still hugely influential, but in this case the newcomers are from the PRC (no Commonwealth advantage). Vancouver has plenty of five- and six-bedroom homes (sitting on the site of former 1950s two-storeys) occupied by single 18-year-old, Bentley-driving UBC students. This is the modern story of the city. It may be “NorCal-Lite” in some respects, but Vancouver has only a small tech industry — its economy is based on real estate, international shipping, and (to some extent) the drug trade.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Q.


    It may be “NorCal-Lite” in some respects, but Vancouver has only a small tech industry — its economy is based on real estate, international shipping, and (to some extent) the drug trade.
     
    That's a good point. Vancouver is rather conspicuous in its lack of self-supporting industry. A lot of (white) Canadians move to Seattle to work despite the fact that they miss Vancouver. In that sense, Vancouver seems like a giant real estate bubble ready to burst. I don't think the burst will happen anytime soon, however, as there continues to be fresh money being minted in China that needs to be parked somewhere.

    Replies: @Thursday

  • Reading The Dialectical Imagination: A History of the Frankfurt School and the Institute of Social Research, 1923-1950. A good book. Dense. But it is clear (the author so admits) that it's only a superficial exploration of the ideas of the Frankfurt School. That being said, a lot of the abstruse and in my opinion wrong-headed...
  • Razib — how do you find the time to read as much as you do? As someone who (like you) also has young kids and both full- and part-time gigs, and who has a long reading list that I can’t seem to make a dent in, I am genuinely curious. Do you spend all your leisure time reading, or are you an unusually fast reader, or both?

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    @Joe Q.

    kindle syncs across all devices. i don't watch TV.

  • There was a time, five years ago or so, when we knew all the humans who had been sequenced. Or at least most of them. But now we're coming into the period when the first sequenced animals of any given species are starting to die. Above is Cinnamon, the first sequenced cat is no longer...
  • I’m curious — where did Cinnamon come from? Was he / she the pet of someone involved in the project, or otherwise specifically chosen for some reason?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Joe Q.


    I’m curious — where did Cinnamon come from? Was he / she the pet of someone involved in the project, or otherwise specifically chosen for some reason?
     
    Well it is the opposite of the terrifying creature in https://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-cats-came-they-conquered-and-they-purred/

    My love is as a fever, longing still
    For that which longer nurseth the disease;
    Feeding on that which doth preserve the ill,
    The uncertain sickly appetite to please.
    My reason, the physician to my love,
    Angry that his prescriptions are not kept,
    Hath left me, and I desperate now approve
    Desire is death, which physic did except.
    Past cure I am, now reason is past care,
    And frantic-mad with evermore unrest;
    My thoughts and my discourse as madmen’s are,
    At random from the truth vainly express’d;
    For I have sworn thee fair, and thought thee bright,
    Who art as black as hell, as dark as night.
     

    Sonnet 147, William Shakespeare.
  • There are some topics which I have some interest in, such as prehistory illuminated by genetics, in which there is constant change and new discoveries every few months. If a new paper doesn't drop in a six month interval, I think something is wrong. There are other topics where I don't perceive much change, and...
  • @Slon
    The one and only Old Testament law clearly and positively affirmed by Jesus in the Gospels, in the Sermon on the Mount no less, is the prohibition against divorce ("... let no man put asunder.") Given that, a naive observer might suppose that this prohibition would play a vital role in contemporary Christian morality. Of course the reality is the opposite, in doctrine, belief, and practice. For me this radical disconnect is the touchstone of thinking about these subjects. Another valuable aspect of this example is that it's relatively accessible, since the outline of its history is a part of pop culture. Everybody knows about Henry VIII etc.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    The one and only Old Testament law clearly and positively affirmed by Jesus in the Gospels, in the Sermon on the Mount no less, is the prohibition against divorce (“… let no man put asunder.”)

    I find this statement confusing. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) clearly presupposes the existence of divorce — is there a prohibition against it in the Jewish scriptures? If so, where?

    • Replies: @Slon
    @Joe Q.

    Right, the prohibition is not absolute. The passage on divorce in the Torah (Deut. 24) is interpreted by JC in Matthew as prohibiting divorce except in the case of sexual indecency (porneia). JC doesn't specify by whom indecency is committed, but in the Torah it is clear that it is by the wife. The other two Gospels that contain this passage omit this qualification.

    I didn't get into these details because they don't change my point, which was simply to offer a glaringly clear illustration of Dreher's "paradox" in support of Razib: that pretty much all mainstream Christian denominations have accepted contemporary freewheeling civil divorce laws, which are in direct conflict with JC's own words, while going apoplectic over, for example, the scary gayz who are mentioned only in passing in the New Testament, and not at all in the Gospels.

    Another item I saw today:

    An elected official who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically and fulfill their duties in their public and professional life.

    Evangelicals in 2011: 30% Agree
    Evangelicals in 2016: 72% Agree


    Hmmm, what might have changed between 2o11 and 2016??

    Replies: @Joe Q.

  • @Slon
    @Joe Q.

    Right, the prohibition is not absolute. The passage on divorce in the Torah (Deut. 24) is interpreted by JC in Matthew as prohibiting divorce except in the case of sexual indecency (porneia). JC doesn't specify by whom indecency is committed, but in the Torah it is clear that it is by the wife. The other two Gospels that contain this passage omit this qualification.

    I didn't get into these details because they don't change my point, which was simply to offer a glaringly clear illustration of Dreher's "paradox" in support of Razib: that pretty much all mainstream Christian denominations have accepted contemporary freewheeling civil divorce laws, which are in direct conflict with JC's own words, while going apoplectic over, for example, the scary gayz who are mentioned only in passing in the New Testament, and not at all in the Gospels.

    Another item I saw today:

    An elected official who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically and fulfill their duties in their public and professional life.

    Evangelicals in 2011: 30% Agree
    Evangelicals in 2016: 72% Agree


    Hmmm, what might have changed between 2o11 and 2016??

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    Right, the prohibition is not absolute.

    The only prohibition is against a man re-marrying his ex-wife if she has been married to someone else in the interim. Otherwise, divorce is perfectly acceptable (though later Jewish law had a lot to say about it).

    I do see your point about Evangelical acceptance of divorce. Every community has its own focus.

    • Replies: @Slon
    @Joe Q.


    The only prohibition is against a man re-marrying his ex-wife if she has been married to someone else in the interim. Otherwise, divorce is perfectly acceptable
     
    That's your liberal interpretation, which is fine. It has nothing to do with what I was talking about, namely that Jesus explicitly affirmed in the Gospels the strict Shammaite interpretation of divorce laws. Evangelicals don't care what you think about divorce; they should in principle care what Jesus thinks. That was my point, not pedantic discussions of Torah interpretation.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

  • @Slon
    @Joe Q.


    The only prohibition is against a man re-marrying his ex-wife if she has been married to someone else in the interim. Otherwise, divorce is perfectly acceptable
     
    That's your liberal interpretation, which is fine. It has nothing to do with what I was talking about, namely that Jesus explicitly affirmed in the Gospels the strict Shammaite interpretation of divorce laws. Evangelicals don't care what you think about divorce; they should in principle care what Jesus thinks. That was my point, not pedantic discussions of Torah interpretation.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    Evangelicals don’t care what you think about divorce; they should in principle care what Jesus thinks. That was my point, not pedantic discussions of Torah interpretation.

    It’s hardly a pedantic discussion of Torah interpretation — it’s a straight reading of the Biblical text. You claimed that there is an Old Testament prohibition on divorce. There isn’t, though Hillel and Shammai disagreed on what were acceptable grounds for divorce.

    I agree with you that that particular Christian teaching is often ignored by Protestants. We can leave it at that.

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  • After four days in Canada I really don’t see why at minimum we don’t have a customs union and open borders so we can dispense with these sorts of friction to travel.

    Pandora was blocked in Canada for some reason. And I had to call to make special provisions to maintain data on my phone. Really is there a reason for this?

    Not to be glib, but the reason is that Canada (despite how familiar it may feel to visiting Americans) is a sovereign country with its own laws, its own telecommunications and IP regulations, its own trade and immigration policies, etc.

    Canada (due to its relatively tiny size) tends to be very protectionist when it comes to issues like these. Even free trade with the US was enormously controversial in the late 1980s and received enormous news coverage when it was being negotiated (it was the major issue in the 1988 Canadian federal election). Trade- and border-related issues involving the US get a lot of press coverage and are very much in the public consciousness. Serious movement towards an open Canada-US border would likely mean suicide for any Canadian government that attempted to undertake it.

    • Replies: @Thursday
    @Joe Q.

    I'm doubtful that restrictions on travel over the border are because of Canada. It's more like U.S. security concerns.

    Different telecommunications and intellectual property regimes may indeed be due to us.

    Replies: @Razib Khan

    , @BobX
    @Joe Q.

    US/Canadian border friction today is complicated by the spurious notion that it must be treated the same as the Mexican border or airline arrivals from unfriendly nations. In the 70-90s a State driver’s license held by a responsible adult was the most needed. A few questions about citizenship and what you are doing and did you have anything to declare going either way was it. The US side being a bit more obnoxious was always the case. In the early 80s my brother drove myself and a friend across the border to catch the train in Sarnia to Toronto. He had forgotten his wallet which he learned on the US side on the way back. They made him pull over and gave him some grief then sent him on his way.

    The big run up in foreign born population didn’t occur until the 90s in Canada. Doubly true with respect to those not of the same majorities predominant in the US at the time as well.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2016006-eng.htm

    Then 9/11 and the paranoia intended by the attackers has come to fruition. I shall not forgive GWB the creation of the DHS and the TSA (remember the T is for theatrical). The insanity comes from pretending things that are not the same are. We have no massive invasion from the north of Canadian nationals with no desire or intent to assimilate to US culture (for the most part they are awash in the same culture from birth). The same is not true of our southern neighbor. From Canada a general low level disdain of our arrogance may exist (perhaps well earned) but it seldom rises to hate of the US such as is common in some other Nations.

    To take my children to Vancouver when I was working on assignment in Seattle a couple of years back we had to make sure they all had passports though the border crossing was near painless both ways. Any friction (passports needed) was self-induced by policy on the US side. They free ride a bit on their southern cousins on defense and drug development and we grumble, they grumble about our arrogance. But push comes to shove and we know the other can be counted on. They may be extended family but they are family all the same. To a lesser extent this is true of Mexico as well, but they are more like distant cousins that came to the family reunion and parked the trailer in the yard and never left.

    Replies: @Muse

  • @Christopher
    @Razib Khan

    Yeah. Historically , I think the border was much porous than previously. It only tightening due to terrorism threats. There are villages in Quebec/New England that straddle the border, including an entire library.

    Probably if such restrictions became onerous enough to impede trade, the Canadian gov't would bend over backwards to try and meet those demands. I suspect that the Liberal Party is far more continentalist than public perception and their own rhetoric would suggest.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    The requirement for a passport to cross the Canada-US border is indeed a post-9/11 thing, imposed on the US side. Some kind of ID and proof of citizenship has always been required, though.

    The main concern with an open border on the Canadian side is fear of weapons smuggling, which is already a big issue in cities close to the border.

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  • @Razib Khan
    @syonredux

    Yeah. Cf how Protestant norms have impacted American Catholics and Jews. Reform Judaism , for example, can be read as a “Protestantized” version of Judaism.



    reform judaism went pretty far in this direction. many non-reform jews complained that reform temples felt like protestant churches (with organs?). also, reform disavowed jewish nationhood in the 19th century. but over the past generation reform has become more 'traditionalist,' including embracing nationhood and such. i think part of it is that jews don't need to compromise with a very dominant xtian mainstream culture anymore.

    Replies: @Joe Q.

    Many parts of the Reform Jewish service were expressly modelled on church worship. The early Reformers admired the pageantry / majesty / decorum of Christian religious services — traditional Jewish services are chaotic and free-wheeling by comparison.

    There were places (mostly Europe, in the 19th c., IIRC) where Reform Jews observed their principal day of worship on Sunday — for the same reason.

    I think the move back to traditionalism in Reform Judaism is partly due to lack of a “need to compromise” as Razib mentions — the other side of this coin is a renewed desire to affirm a sort of cultural or religious identity, and a recognition that Reform Judaism as it was being practiced in the mid-20th century typically led directly to disaffiliation or assimilation.

  • It's been exactly three years since I moved on from Discover. Change is timeless. So I thought it would be a good time to announce the move to another project today. Until further notice this is my last post as a blogger at Unz Review. Just as when I left Discover, this shouldn’t impact regular...
  • Good luck with your new site, Razib. I too was always a bit perplexed at how you fit in with Unz Review, which seems to otherwise be at a pretty low intellectual level.

    Feedly is great, but Inoreader is also worth checking out, for those who were fans of the old Google Reader.