RSSHi Anatoly,
I have a question for you regarding Russia’s youth. On the one hand, they are nothing like the “woke” youth of the West and continue to think political correctness is crazy. On the other hand, I would say that a majority are tired of Putin and Putinism in general. They don’t really seem that concerned about patriotism and Russia’s place in the sun so to say. They seem more concerned about individualistic concerns, primarily with making money and having a good quality of life.
I’d say a good majority of them tend to be Yabloko sympathisers and desire to be like the West. You only ever hear about corruption from them. So my question is this. After Putin, is it very likely that Russia is going to transform into a new Western country and embrace all of the things from the West? Or is there still a conservatism there from the youth to still think about Russia and preserve it?
This is another question I wanted to ask as well but do you think in essence related to my first question that nationalism itself can be preserved in the long run? Or is the entire future likely to be individualistic with people disregarding their lands of birth and climbing into some new kind of tower of Babel?
Many thanks
No. Russia is reorienting from the West to Eurasia (5 billion people, the biggest and fastest growing economy on the planet). Trade (money) and tourism destinations are being reoriented right now towards non-western countries and there is ongoing import substitution. The West is a declining entity and will continue to be declining under current estimates up to at least 2060, maybe even longer. Thus there will be more eurasian influence in Russia and its businesses, not more western influence.Young rus people are apolitical, but also relatively patriotic. The country actually became more conservative during the last 20 years. For the youth issue there are various plans in place, such as implementing patriotic education (as per the new Constitution), building more Churches as well as expanding the so called Youth Army (scouts/military education for youth).And as long as the West continues to provoke in the near abroad of Russia it just triggers Russia to become more hostile.Replies: @Hartnell
After Putin, is it very likely that Russia is going to transform into a new Western country and embrace all of the things from the West? Or is there still a conservatism there from the youth to still think about Russia and preserve it?
good majority of them definitely not Yabloko sympathizers. Yabloko has almost no sympathizers
I’d say a good majority of them tend to be Yabloko sympathisers
No. Russia is reorienting from the West to Eurasia (5 billion people, the biggest and fastest growing economy on the planet). Trade (money) and tourism destinations are being reoriented right now towards non-western countries and there is ongoing import substitution. The West is a declining entity and will continue to be declining under current estimates up to at least 2060, maybe even longer. Thus there will be more eurasian influence in Russia and its businesses, not more western influence.Young rus people are apolitical, but also relatively patriotic. The country actually became more conservative during the last 20 years. For the youth issue there are various plans in place, such as implementing patriotic education (as per the new Constitution), building more Churches as well as expanding the so called Youth Army (scouts/military education for youth).And as long as the West continues to provoke in the near abroad of Russia it just triggers Russia to become more hostile.Replies: @Hartnell
After Putin, is it very likely that Russia is going to transform into a new Western country and embrace all of the things from the West? Or is there still a conservatism there from the youth to still think about Russia and preserve it?
Passerby,
I can see your points and it is working for Russia’s children. I know that patriotic education is quite strong there now in the schools. But what I mean is the Russian millennials. A poll recently came out that most of them would like to emigrate. Some support gay marriage and the main topics on their mind is the economy and corruption.
The smart ones seem to be aware of the West’s problems and want to find a different path for Russia. But your average IQs I think still feel the West is better then Russia and want to basically copy the West.
So it is something I think that could come to haunt Russia 20 years down the line. Although to be fairly honest I think trying to enact a Western style welfare state in Russia would be nigh on impossible, especially at this stage.
Dmitry,
That is somewhat positive to hear. Most of the major responses I was getting from Russian millennials was there desire for change and how they wanted to be like the West. So it is more heartening to know there is the possibility of a populist revival after Putin.
To be honest, the millennial generation of Russia does seem to be critical of immigration. They see the West going down the tubes and do make fun of it. But at the same time they do have this love of democracy and regularly do talk about “freedom”…
In your opinion, what is the political outlook for Russian millennials is they are not liberal?
Criticism of immigration policy goes to the opposition, only because Putin has been for 20 years of open-borders immigration supporter - so here is something where opposition can score popularity contests against Putin. This is because it is an area where his policy (open borders) does not match public opinion (which wants more selective immigration) - because Putin is balancing more with the wealthy business interests, against the common people. Eurasian economic union - which includes completely open borders across full members -. was his favourite strategic project. (The irony of Eurasian economic union, is that countries like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan refused it, despite offers for them to join). Central Asian workers were essential for the construction industry, and this is why e.g. Patriarch Kirill is arguing that Russia should accept these immigrants even if they are Muslim. (Anyone with such large construction interests). The next president after Putin, should move more to a selective immigration - something more like Malcolm Turnbull would be desirable.
To be honest, the millennial generation of Russia does seem to be critical of immigration.
In what sense do you mean by "liberal"? Also note the long-term trends of the country. Population is rapidly aging one - an aging population trends to conservatism and is good for future political stability. In the first decade of the new millennium, there had rapid embourgeoisement. However, this was mainly a produce of rising oil and commodity prices. The last decade, embourgeoisement of population has stagnated. There are the economic conditions for some bourgeois "liberal hipsters", but not large enough waves of such to make so much impact on politics - Ikea can be affordable, but most of the population is far too poor to adopt the lifestyle that breeds Scandinavian politics. Economic conditions are not wealthy enough for the Western European pattern of converting rednecks to hipsters.- There are a couple uncertain trends though. There is an urbanization of the population continuing, but this is not accompanied by much enrichment. What is the political consequences of the masses of people flooding into megacities, is not clear for RussiaAlso for younger generation, there is also a switch to using the internet, instead of television, for political information.Replies: @melanf, @Hartnell
In your opinion, what is the political outlook for Russian millennials is they are not liberal?
Thanks passerby for giving me some hope for the Russian youth. I must confess it seems to be Russian Zoomers and the kids growing up now who are going to be the most patriotic which is a good thing as Russia desperately needs more patriotism if it is going to continue to succeed.
However there is going to be that continued lingering demand of dealing with corruption and providing a better quality of life for the population that is going to continue to make in roads on a political front.
The thing is about Russia is that I don’t think it could ever go full on libtard due to the nature of the country and how it has historically developed.
Also even if they did want to open the doors and flood the country with third world immigration, I doubt millions of black subsaharan Africans are going to want to settle in say Novosibirsk.
Therefore the only future Russia can realistically achieve is some future form of Putinism followed by more investments into the local economy. They need native babies to live in far off regions, they need more money to do this and they need to keep their tech geniuses from leaving. A future strong soft power cultural industry would really help the country’s economy too.
Just trying to repeat what the West has been doing never seems to work out for Russia in the long run. Like smart Russians have said to me, “we need to do this on our own terms and not on the West’s.”
Not so fast:
Also even if they did want to open the doors and flood the country with third world immigration, I doubt millions of black subsaharan Africans are going to want to settle in say Novosibirsk.
Replies: @Dmitry, @Hartnell
I also once met — of all things — a strongly pro-Putin Somali. While a devout Muslim himself, he had only good things to say about Orthodox Christianity; all other Christians would go to hell (and Obama, especially, would go to hell). He also dreamt of moving to Siberia, which I thought very funny, but also strangely beautiful.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/hajnal-russophilia/#comment-2222632
Not so fast:
Also even if they did want to open the doors and flood the country with third world immigration, I doubt millions of black subsaharan Africans are going to want to settle in say Novosibirsk.
Replies: @Dmitry, @Hartnell
I also once met — of all things — a strongly pro-Putin Somali. While a devout Muslim himself, he had only good things to say about Orthodox Christianity; all other Christians would go to hell (and Obama, especially, would go to hell). He also dreamt of moving to Siberia, which I thought very funny, but also strangely beautiful.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/hajnal-russophilia/#comment-2222632
You get a few blacks who really do love Russia but I am sure that you can count them on one hand. Like Dimitry said, most of them are students who usually go back home. I doubt the refugees who flood into Europe by the boat load would be quite that happy to go and live in Siberia…
Maybe, but they obviously like it in Sweden and Minnesota, so there is no reason to think they would rule out Siberia -- not least when the immigrants start trending more middle and working class.Replies: @Hartnell
You get a few blacks who really do love Russia but I am sure that you can count them on one hand. Like Dimitry said, most of them are students who usually go back home. I doubt the refugees who flood into Europe by the boat load would be quite that happy to go and live in Siberia…
Criticism of immigration policy goes to the opposition, only because Putin has been for 20 years of open-borders immigration supporter - so here is something where opposition can score popularity contests against Putin. This is because it is an area where his policy (open borders) does not match public opinion (which wants more selective immigration) - because Putin is balancing more with the wealthy business interests, against the common people. Eurasian economic union - which includes completely open borders across full members -. was his favourite strategic project. (The irony of Eurasian economic union, is that countries like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan refused it, despite offers for them to join). Central Asian workers were essential for the construction industry, and this is why e.g. Patriarch Kirill is arguing that Russia should accept these immigrants even if they are Muslim. (Anyone with such large construction interests). The next president after Putin, should move more to a selective immigration - something more like Malcolm Turnbull would be desirable.
To be honest, the millennial generation of Russia does seem to be critical of immigration.
In what sense do you mean by "liberal"? Also note the long-term trends of the country. Population is rapidly aging one - an aging population trends to conservatism and is good for future political stability. In the first decade of the new millennium, there had rapid embourgeoisement. However, this was mainly a produce of rising oil and commodity prices. The last decade, embourgeoisement of population has stagnated. There are the economic conditions for some bourgeois "liberal hipsters", but not large enough waves of such to make so much impact on politics - Ikea can be affordable, but most of the population is far too poor to adopt the lifestyle that breeds Scandinavian politics. Economic conditions are not wealthy enough for the Western European pattern of converting rednecks to hipsters.- There are a couple uncertain trends though. There is an urbanization of the population continuing, but this is not accompanied by much enrichment. What is the political consequences of the masses of people flooding into megacities, is not clear for RussiaAlso for younger generation, there is also a switch to using the internet, instead of television, for political information.Replies: @melanf, @Hartnell
In your opinion, what is the political outlook for Russian millennials is they are not liberal?
Dimitry,
This is good news to hear. I was concerned by some of the reports I had been hearing of the Russian youth, particularly with the protests against the government. However it is nice to hear there is patriotism within this group and the future isn’t as libtarded as I thought it would be.
Regarding economic prospects and liberalism, I think it ultimately depends on the country. In America, major mixing and prosperity is a no brainer but in countries such as Japan or South Korea, they prefer to still marry fellow natives or at a push, marry someone of their fellow racial group.
Israel though is the best case scenario as they have been able to promote economic prosperity along with still promoting that nationalistic mindset and have still been successful in raising the birth rates.
Russia is going to have to improve its economic performance and I am sure the vast majority of people desire this very strongly. It’s just the case of being able to successfully do it with a patriotic mindset still in focus before the SJW disease starts to set in.
Now in regards to immigration, I’m not entirely sure of the situation in Russia but from my own observations of Putin, he does seem to be more concerned about keeping Russia’s more Slavic character intact compared to Western governments. He’s been making noises in that direction anyway and I don’t think, although this is just my opinion, that he desires the great replacement scenario like Western countries enthusiastically desire.
To give you an example, I remember during the days of Gordon Brown that it was revealed during Tony Blair’s time in office, the government had deliberately promoted and invited millions of third world migrants into the UK in order to, and I quote, ‘rub the rights nose in diversity.’ the government actively wanted to create a new multiracial British citizen. Social engineering to perfection, go figure.
I hope you don’t mind me asking you Dimitry but do you have any predictions for Russia? You made some good points about the country probably going more conservative as it ages but do you think it can successfully revive itself in the long run without mass immigration? And do you think that SJWism can be averted there?
Putin wants surely to maintain an interethnic harmony, but he also balances interests of the business, especially construction, which use a lot of foreign labour. If you see melanf above is writing about how few immigrants are attaining Russian citizenship and "how low" such numbers are. But it's directly opposite of modus operandi of foreign labour in Russia - these people avoid paperwork, residence permits, etc, as much as possible. And the authorities also generally ignore them. This is real open borders kind of situation with these immigrants. Tajiks and Uzbeks and Kirgizs, are not some Norwegians and Japanese. They are not people who like to write paperwork. They don't register with authorities, apply for permits, or follow regulation. They often flood into a single apartment, as many as they can. And the authorities are generally complicit with this, and they seem to allow them to come and go, as they like. I think ones which would apply for Russian citizenship, are only a small minority of more integrated ones - e.g. perhaps ones of this nationality who have a Russian wife and want to settle into Russian culture. At the same time, the authorities are watching these communities and intervene in relation to things like drug trafficking and Islamist radicalization. So, the authorities know about them - but they usually only intervene if it's something more serious than lack of paperwork. If Tajikistan and Uzbekistan joined to the Eurasian economic union, it wouldn't make much difference from the present situation.
Putin, he does seem to be more concerned about keeping Russia’s more Slavic character
After Putin - probably something a bit more like you see in "Visegrad Group" countries, in terms of internal political views. There is an overall less redneck and nationalist population than in Ukraine, but not necessarily than in Czech Republic, Poland or Hungary. Although in Russia, it will likely always be more centrist because of a larger country, with more diverse interests that the government has to balance. In terms of foreign policy, I think the default setting is the same compromised balance between friendly and unfriendly with the West. The Primakov positions which Putin has followed are probably systematic now (rather than reflecting any particular preferences of Putin).Replies: @Hartnell, @Thulean Friend
Dimitry but do you have any predictions for Russia? You made some good points about the country probably going more conservative as it ages
Black lives matter in the UK had a lot of English supporters, not just the blacks and browns. It was also a kind of anti-American protest, as they were focused against the US Embassy. In Oxford, people protested against Cecil Rhodes (despite that students are not even in Oxford now because of coronavirus). Rhodes was one of 19th century capitalism's more interesting and infamous mix of hero and villain, and definitely should have a sculpture for people to remember him. I wonder if protesters' knowledge of him will be more than the biased Wikipedia article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH91-mJ0Lmg London is where all of the Indian and Jamaican people live, but it looks like the protest was more half English peoplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxaVWfAUrx4 -- Although England is a lot more passionate about "extinction rebellion" protests against climate change. Extinction rebellion is the place for tourists to visit, when they want to see an ancient and frightening anglosaxon war dances in the centre of London.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxr2wS6k1koReplies: @Hartnell, @sudden death, @silviosilver, @Amerimutt Golems
their own “native” blacks tearing down monuments of imperial colonial
I wouldn’t entirely rule out all hope for Britain as the silent majority is very furious about what is happening with the vandalisation of statues and the weak police response. I’ve seen a lot of patriotic tweets on twitter, showing people’s rage about what is happening.
However there is one caveat in all of this. the vast majority of these patriots subscribe to the civic nationalist view point. They like to drag out the odd patriotic black and fawn over how great, proud and patriotic multi-kulti Britain is.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
I find that even most "right wing" British people have no time for ethnic nationalism. I don't think most are even particularly opposed to non-white immigration as long as the immigrants share our "values". That basically means anyone but Muslims.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
Putin wants surely to maintain an interethnic harmony, but he also balances interests of the business, especially construction, which use a lot of foreign labour. If you see melanf above is writing about how few immigrants are attaining Russian citizenship and "how low" such numbers are. But it's directly opposite of modus operandi of foreign labour in Russia - these people avoid paperwork, residence permits, etc, as much as possible. And the authorities also generally ignore them. This is real open borders kind of situation with these immigrants. Tajiks and Uzbeks and Kirgizs, are not some Norwegians and Japanese. They are not people who like to write paperwork. They don't register with authorities, apply for permits, or follow regulation. They often flood into a single apartment, as many as they can. And the authorities are generally complicit with this, and they seem to allow them to come and go, as they like. I think ones which would apply for Russian citizenship, are only a small minority of more integrated ones - e.g. perhaps ones of this nationality who have a Russian wife and want to settle into Russian culture. At the same time, the authorities are watching these communities and intervene in relation to things like drug trafficking and Islamist radicalization. So, the authorities know about them - but they usually only intervene if it's something more serious than lack of paperwork. If Tajikistan and Uzbekistan joined to the Eurasian economic union, it wouldn't make much difference from the present situation.
Putin, he does seem to be more concerned about keeping Russia’s more Slavic character
After Putin - probably something a bit more like you see in "Visegrad Group" countries, in terms of internal political views. There is an overall less redneck and nationalist population than in Ukraine, but not necessarily than in Czech Republic, Poland or Hungary. Although in Russia, it will likely always be more centrist because of a larger country, with more diverse interests that the government has to balance. In terms of foreign policy, I think the default setting is the same compromised balance between friendly and unfriendly with the West. The Primakov positions which Putin has followed are probably systematic now (rather than reflecting any particular preferences of Putin).Replies: @Hartnell, @Thulean Friend
Dimitry but do you have any predictions for Russia? You made some good points about the country probably going more conservative as it ages
When it comes to immigration in Russia, am I right in thinking it is a lot more controlled there then it is in the UK? From what I am aware, most of the Uzbeks and co usually come to make money and then leave, like one big revolving door of cheap labour. There’s no actual free welfare money for them so their not actually inclined to stay in Russia and pop out 7-10 kids from what I am aware.
Even still, it is a problem that I think will be resolved with new technological advances. Within 15-20 years, I think alot of these jobs that demands cheap labour will be automated anyway so there won’t be the demand to keep on importing people to do the work. I think Putin is sort of hinting at this as well. Big problems though for the West as when it hits them, they are going to have a useless supply of once cheap labour now with nothing to do.
Regarding Russia’s future, I think the Visegrad scenario is a very good future for the country. Do you have any thoughts to share regarding population mobility? From what I am aware, most of the Russian youth are leaving Siberia and elsewhere to go and live in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Do you think there is a chance to reverse this trend in the future? I think that could be a big challenge.
Are you aware of what ethnicity (((Dmitry))) is? In all his numerous posts I've read, I've seen no indication whatsoever that he is concerned about the future of Russia's racial makeup.Replies: @Dmitry
Do you think there is a chance to reverse this trend in the future? I think that could be a big challenge.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
I find that even most “right wing” British people have no time for ethnic nationalism. I don’t think most are even particularly opposed to non-white immigration as long as the immigrants share our “values”. That basically means anyone but Muslims.
I’d say we are heading towards an American or Brazilian “melting pot” style nationalism.
I find that even most "right wing" British people have no time for ethnic nationalism. I don't think most are even particularly opposed to non-white immigration as long as the immigrants share our "values". That basically means anyone but Muslims.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
Yeah I am in agreement. The UK has no time for ethnic nationalism. The society as a whole has pretty much accepted the multi-ethnic society and will fight to defend it.
If you actually look at how the UK society is now developing, it really does resemble the old Anglo-Saxon invasion. The native white Brits have become like the ancient Celts, living on the outskirts in their villages and towns where as the cities have become the hot spots of multi-kulti Britain. I always felt that it was like living on a native reservation and as soon as you left the shires, the reality sadly hit you in the face.
To be honest, though there is still some potential light on the horizon for the UK at least. I think people overall are fed up of mass immigration because of the economic impact it is having. It is simply unsustainable for the country. I think at some point the country is going to drift ever more to the right and start to restrict immigrants when there is a sufficient pressure point available (think UK and Brexit). Eventually the government will start having to cut the tap on welfare spending and will adopt probably a more anti-islamic point of view.
With this in mind, we may see sort of a voluntary repatriation, particularly amongst the muslim community. The country in effect could whiten up. I think that the UK is starting to reach its peak of being able to support a large population and more populism will start to become the order of the day there.
Sure, I am extremely anti-racist and don't judge people by nationality. If I wasn't, it would be strange to be a regular writer on this multiracial website - which is owned and named after a brown American Jew whose face looks suitable for the streets of Istanbul or Cairo, or to be following a Middle Eastern looking blogger of Caucasian aristocratic roots. Neither I don't remember meeting anyone in real life (as opposed to internet sites) who could say something like "I am concerned about the future of Russia’s racial makeup." Writing such kind of sentences even in quotes makes me feel a bit unpleasantly Hitlerian. On the other hand, my political views are more "right wing" than most people I talk to, across different countries, and in both personal and professional life. I say one of main mistakes by Putin - his open immigration borders policy, along with his external policy. Similarly, main thing I oppose about politics in Western Europe (open borders immigration, as opposed to selective immigration). Main mistake of Merkel - open borders immigration. Etc. Those views to oppose open borders immigration are not to say, that I support racism - I am a very anti-racist person in reality. More interesting European connection would be to a Chinese person who can play a Mozart sonata, than some Austrian who does not know their culture - i.e. the important thing is the civilization level.
no indication whatsoever that he is concerned about the future of Russia’s racial makeup
My racial makeup is Russian with Jewish roots. I would like to use these Yiddish brackets you gave to my name. But I sadly can't claim to be a real Jew, as Jewish roots are that my grandfather has Jewish roots (whereas to be a Jew in the real sense, has to be matrilineal). By family record I am 87,5% Russian and 12,5% Jewish. However, when a close relative had a DNA test, the results were a quite different proportions to that, and also a large proportion of our genetics are from other (non-Russian) nationalities our family didn't know they were descended from.Replies: @Ano4, @Hartnell, @silviosilver
you aware of what ethnicity (((Dmitry))) is?
I can understand what you are saying and you have some interesting points. My own personal point of view is that a bit of immigration is ok and could be beneficial to society. However, on the other hand, I would not wish to see a mass stream of entirely legal immigration that ends up turning the host societies into modern day tower of Babels either as I quite enjoy the diversity of the planet and would hate to see all countries one day become one big homogeneous blob of sameness.
Also regarding ethnic identity, I do feel it is something that Europeans will have to discover and embrace for themselves at some point if they wish to survive this century. It does not have to be radical or extreme but something similar to what the Jews and the East Asian countries have. If European societies can stop being so damn individualistic and cherish what makes them unique and special, that would be a step in the right direction for these countries to actually revive themselves. Except for the Anglo countries as these lands actually have always desired foreign tastes more and that is a fact of life.
I would think that many European countries are actually espousing more of a collective spirit and not an individualistic one, and that this is a direct cause of these countries losing any sense of national pride.Replies: @Hartnell
If European societies can stop being so damn individualistic and cherish what makes them unique and special, that would be a step in the right direction for these countries to actually revive themselves.
I think that you are painting this as an entirely black thing when it is not. On the contrary, most of the rioters and statue pullers have been indoctrinated white millennials. On most of the pictures I have seen, it is mainly white faces with a few black ones.
I would think that many European countries are actually espousing more of a collective spirit and not an individualistic one, and that this is a direct cause of these countries losing any sense of national pride.Replies: @Hartnell
If European societies can stop being so damn individualistic and cherish what makes them unique and special, that would be a step in the right direction for these countries to actually revive themselves.
What I do like about Israeli nationalism is the concept that you are part of this tribe, this family, and you are constantly doing your best to help it and defend it no matter the cost. Perhaps this mindset would simply be too extreme for the European mind to handle but some elements of it would certainly help in reviving Europe.
I agree though that America and Europe have adopted a collectivistic zeal these days. I see no difference between what the Red Guard of China or the Taliban were doing and what is taking place right now. It is like the West’s very own cultural revolution. I think though the roots of this all boils down to how individualistic these societies were and how without meaning they had become. They needed a new religion and lo and behold, they now have one.
It is going to take decades before the present mess is going to start to get cleaned up as even the silent majority of these countries still subscribe to some thoughts of the new faith.
Yes, I too can see what your getting at and I did mention earlier some of this mindset would be considered too extreme for the European mind. However, elements of the Israeli example combined with what the Russians are doing could work out very well as a patriotic successor.
Also regarding the Israeli method, it would actually be sort of beneficial to the Russians if they did try to establish some sort of kibbutz culture and frontier patriotism as Russia has one big huge problem. Apart from Moscow and St. Petersburg, the rest of the country is dying. Siberia is rapidly losing young people as they go into the big two looking for work. I’d say that within a generation, Siberia will die. Same with some other Russian cities in the European part as well.
If Russia does want to remedy this, considering the landscape of the territory, it will have to adopt something of an Israeli mindset in order to help these areas grow again. Otherwise in the long term, Russia is probably going to lose more territory.
Maybe, but they obviously like it in Sweden and Minnesota, so there is no reason to think they would rule out Siberia -- not least when the immigrants start trending more middle and working class.Replies: @Hartnell
You get a few blacks who really do love Russia but I am sure that you can count them on one hand. Like Dimitry said, most of them are students who usually go back home. I doubt the refugees who flood into Europe by the boat load would be quite that happy to go and live in Siberia…
Sweden and Minnesota do not get as cold as Mother Russia. Black people can cope at -2c but when it gets to -10c they stay indoors. Siberia gets to -45c on average in winter time. The vast majority of blacks would not want to live in that climate.
Siberia is lucky, then. RIP Europe, Russians are going to miss it.
Siberia gets to -45c on average in winter time. The vast majority of blacks would not want to live in that climate.
Ludicrous. Humanists have done little to build societies. Nations are forged in blood. Military leaders and generals are some of the most appropriate people to build statues to(afterwards would be various extraordinary individuals, explorers, patrons, etc.). Without them, many of us would not be here. Instead our enemies would have slain us and built monuments to their heroes.
In every epoch there are people to find that have humanist values. Instead of confederate generals, elevate abolitionists.
It is like the Bible says. There is a time for war and a time for peace. The Humanists have made some positive contributions during peace time in the past just as much as the warriors who go out to fight. It all depends on the era. To be honest though, I do get the feeling the millennial generation is meant to fight but due to the advanced technology of today, there is actually no major war for them to fight in hence why they are tearing up cities. They have an anger and nothing to unleash it on.
No it is true that Russians are more concerned about the Chinese potentially taking over Siberia. Russia, if I do recall, took the Vladivostok region from China in the 19th century. The big question is though would many Chinese even want to move into Siberia? It’s not exactly the old feudal society that it once was with at least 500 million people becoming part of the middle class (a huge achievement I’d like to add). With low birthrates and expectations of a high quality of life, I cannot really see the Chinese scrambling en masse either to move into Siberia.
From what I recall reading, the Russian settlers of Siberia were mainly the descendants of the Cossacks, criminals and engineers/scientists as part of the USSR. It was sort of an Australia really and no one really wanted to go settle there. So who knows what is the fate of Siberia in the long run…
It could potentially go back to the natives but the problem is they are small in number and are very integrated into Russian society. Plus from what I’ve read about them, the native Siberians seem to be rather anti-immigrant just as much as the mainstream Russian population.
The fate of Siberia is certainly one that deserves more discussion by Karlin as it is a very interesting question.
To be honest, I don’t think blacks would want to live in Russia either since it gets to -20c in winter around the European part. It’s quite amusing to think but what will inevitably save Russia once again is General Winter.
That’s a pretty common misconception, promoted by globohomo. In fact, if General Winter served in the Red Army, he would have been shot for aiding the enemy. When the Germans advanced on Moscow, it was sufficiently cold to freeze the soil and allow their tanks to move everywhere. When Russian counter-offensive started, it got warmer, so that Soviet tanks could only move on those few roads that existed, as the mud elsewhere obstructed their movement.
It’s quite amusing to think but what will inevitably save Russia once again is General Winter.
Cope, cope, cope.
I don’t think blacks would want to live in Russia either since it gets to -20c in winter around the European part.
I don’t want to sound like a leftist but this is factually incorrect. The migrants in the UK generally commit crimes like with the Rochdale scenario. But there has been no actual concentrated attempt to wipe out the native English by them. If you want to point the finger of blame, focus on the idiot white people for continually excusing bad behaviour and believing in the multi-kulti nonsense.
Also I suspect that the more migrant groups continue to grow in Europe, we are going to see a clash of civilisations take place between them throughout the continent. It’s very similar to what happened during the Fall of the Roman Empire. The invading Germanics turned quickly on each other and started to fight it out amongst themselves once Rome had fallen. I suspect a very similar situation will take place on European soil.
Did it help Rome?
The invading Germanics turned quickly on each other and started to fight it out amongst themselves once Rome had fallen.
Well, considering the doomsday scenario you have presented, I would say that an Iran sort of scenario would emerge after the chaos has died down. The remaining whites (most in such a drastic scenario would flee east) would convert to Islam and would sort of join together with the intelligent Arabs and form a caliphate. If you look at modern day Iran, the elite on the top are usually quite pale where as the masses tend to be brown. I would expect this situation to occur.
However, if I am honest, personally I don’t think it will get to this stage. Why are Muslims and blacks in Europe en masse? Because they want money. Europe is running out of money to pay for those cozy welfare states. I suspect somewhere down the pipeline identitarian parties will take power and basically just cut off the money supply. Most will go home.
This is interesting but it does sound like the Buddhist version of the Gog and Magog prophecy in the Bible.
You know I had an interesting but scary thought the other day. Maybe the low fertility rate really is the end of nations as we know it? Even the middle East is dropping in fertility and only just replaces itself now. East Asia is screwed, Europe happily mixes itself into non-existence. My overall point is – if birth rates keep dropping, people have less partners of their own race so end up taking partners of others, leading ultimately to a huge rise in individualism and the death of traditional national structures.
Unless Europe and East Asia can develop some sort of Israeli mindset and get breeding, I do think that the mixture of the races in short a small scale of time could very well be a thing of the future…
Umm, Israel is an extremely mixed race country, and the miscegenation is just gaining momentum - the horror!
Unless Europe and East Asia can develop some sort of Israeli mindset and get breeding, I do think that the mixture of the races in short a small scale of time could very well be a thing of the future…
South Korea is a plastic and sterile culture. From K-Pop, to their birth rates, to their computer game obsessions, it is clear what aesthetic they seek to create. I am sure there are also many great and contradictory things about the place, but this impression is overwhelming. Paradoxically, it has led to substantial creativity in certain areas, as they pioneer the most plastic, sterile aesthetic to have ever existed. This creativity has further been helped by the lack of a Great Awokening; so things are hardly all bad over there!Perhaps, the general search for sterility helped them avoid the blessings of Coronachan.Replies: @Hartnell, @The Wild Geese Howard
South Korea TFR at 0.83 – absolute international record low?
As I’ve always said, what will reunify the Korea’s is their birth rates. Both countries heavily dislike diluting the blood line and the Greatest Korea is still near replacement level. I know in 20 years North Korea’s population I think grew by 3 million. It wouldn’t surprise me if the two eventually come to some sort of labour agreement in the next 20 years and this eventually leads to some sort of unification based on that.
It all depends on what the Russian youth want. If they decide (and I presume many are) to focus on their careers and put off having children until later, focusing on mainly individualistic aspects, then that birth rate is staying where it is. Unless there is in the next few decades a genuine cultural push to stronger family values and raising children, then birth rates won’t go up.
This is a potential good point about Russia. I did just read a prediction about Russian demography stating that the country could rise to the mythical 2.01 by 2030 – 2040. It is entirely possible with this scenario when a lot of women get into their 30s and want a baby so it could lead to a baby boom by then.
I think though there is a huge factor involved and that is the economy. Russia’s economy right now is not doing so great. The government certainly needs to do more in reviving it so people can afford to have more kids. If the economy doesn’t start to improve within the next decade or so, we could expect another baby glut.
Still, Russia is nowhere near Ukraine which itself is a dying country entirely. I honestly have no idea how this country is going to survive in the long run…
You know I have also thought about this and I tend to concur with you that increasing automation makes having children as an essential to the economy not really that important. It even will deter immigration in the future as well since there will be no economic need to import millions of people. Russia is trying to aim for this where as the US is stuck firmly in woke culture so will struggle with millions unemployed in the future. Escape from LA doesn’t look like science fiction anymore.
On the flip side, you could end up seeing more inter ethnic marriages. Fewer people means fewer mates means more outside marriages. The Faroe Islands, despite having high fertility, has had cases of men with no wives so they marry abroad. So for those who do wish to see the group live on, it maybe impossible in the long run without some kind of ethno-patriotism which I think is alien to the European mind. Might get away with it amongst the Russians but the rest of Europe I think really doesn’t care…or would look in horror at such an idea…even if it wasn’t forced…
Depends on how isolationist and nationalist the Slavs want to be though. Whether we like it or not, we do live in a globalised world. People can travel freely and amongst some Slavs, all they want is the West, patriotism be damned.
That said however, the more stupid the West gets, the more the Slavic states feel threatened and pull up the drawbridge. Amongst the youth, there is a desire to replicate the high quality of life the West has had but the idea of going down the full Globo Homo path disturbs them as well. So maybe that will be a saving grace for Eastern Europe.
Won’t happen to Russia down to one simple thing. Money. Nobody in Russia wants to pay out large amounts of welfare to refugees of any colour. You see, the refugees all go to Europe because they know Europe will give them free money. Europe lied to itself as it is the right thing to do because of the past and obviously humanitarian concerns. Russians simply do not care and want the money reserved for them and nobody else. So honestly, I strongly doubt a refugee horde is going to appear at Russia’s doors. If anything, Russia will probably close the doors and focus on taking care of themselves, as the old “Socialism in one country” mindset goes.
Yeah to be honey you have a good point here. If we actually read the history of the fall of the Roman Empire, actual Italy itself wasn’t heavily colonised by the invading Germanic hordes. Instead they mostly left and went back to their native homelands once there was no more loot to plunder. I think in regards to modern mass migration, the same effect is likely to take place. It’s all about the money at the end of the day.
Yeah I agree with this statement too. Most white people in Europe usually marry white. I did notice a trend in the UK where actual mixing was taking place between individuals that were half white and between whites. The trend was usually between mixed race girls and white boys. So that in itself means within the next generation, the children from these relationships will start to appear more white and assimilate even more into the dominant mainstream.
It’s not just the women who have more feminine features but also the men. I tend to notice a more masculine look amongst Western men and women but when it comes to the east, both genders tend to have more feminine features in their faces. This also is an interesting post because I am aware that in Russia, the women are naturally the strongest gender with the men being the weakest. There is mindset there of continually having to look after the men like they are little boys and pushing them in the right direction. It’s not traditional patriarchy but something else entirely.
It did actually. The remaining Romans eventually evolved into the Italian people and pretty much assumed much command and dominance within the Catholic Church, forming much important decision making over the various successor Germanic kingdoms. They also pretty much started the Renaissance that went ahead in reshaping European culture for centuries to come. I’d actually say in many aspects the Romans really did make a come back. Not to the same extent as the Roman Empire but they did and had a huge influence. Even to this day Italy is pretty much a hot bed of culture that has given birth to pizza, unique forms of art, culture, etc. Many things still came from Italy that lives on with us to this day.
OMG, I don't even.
...a hot bed of culture that has given birth to pizza.
My money is still on India. I watched a combat simulation once of what would happen in a sparring match between the two and India pretty much came out on top due to the favourable usage of their terrain. China would try to advance but would end up losing valuable equipment. In other words, a major land war between the two would be a huge logistical defeat for China.
I thought Ukraine and Belarus were some of the most developed parts of the USSR? From what I have read, Ukraine suffered the most by leaving the USSR and never was able to truly develop without the aid of Russia. Belarus though is different thanks to “Father” although even then, I’ve been told alot of Belarusian success came from selling their products to the Russian market. In other words, Russia has been keeping the Belarusian economy alive…
Not entirely. Belarus produces alot of domestic goods ranging from clothes to tractors. All of these goods are pretty much sold in the Russian economy rather then elsewhere in Europe. Not sure how much Belarus makes out of it all but as Russians have told me, “We buy Belarusian goods, we keep their economy alive.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/how-denmarks-ghetto-list-is-ripping-apart-migrant-communities
Denmark has compiled this “ghetto list” annually since 2010; the criteria are higher than average jobless and crime rates, lower than average educational attainment and, controversially, more than half of the population being first or second-generation migrants. The government essentially sees these neighbourhoods as irremediable urban disasters, and in May 2018 it proposed dealing with them by mass eviction and reconstruction. The homes of up to 11,000 social housing tenants could be on the chopping block.
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In addition, the law itself applies differently in these neighbourhoods. The first stage of the government’s so-called ghetto deal set higher penalties for crimes, and allowed for collective punishment – by eviction – of entire families if one of their members commits a criminal act.
Other laws seem designed to force the integration in Danish society of immigrant communities. Pre-school children must spend at least 25 hours a week in state kindergartens with a maximum migrant intake of 30%, and face language tests. Otherwise their families’ benefits can be revoked.
But the most stringent part of the plan came into force on 1 January 2020, when these areas must slash their public housing stock to no more than 40%. To achieve this within 10 years, entire blocks will be emptied and converted into private and co-operative housing, from which people on low incomes will be barred. In some cities (though not Copenhagen) the blocks will simply be demolished.
Current tenants will be offered alternative accommodation, but no control over its location, quality or cost. Those who refuse can now simply be evicted. Adding insult to injury, the eviction and renovation plans will be paid for from proceeds from a fund paid into by public housing tenants themselves.
Out of all of the Scandinavian countries, I always tend to find Denmark is the more conservative when it comes to immigration. I’ve spoken to Danes in the past and compared to the Swedes, most of them had a negative opinion on immigration, particularly from the Islamic world. What is more surprising is that this attitude stretches back into the early 2000s, well before the Alt Right and Identitarism started to become more mainstream.
Overall, I think Denmark has the potential to survive. I think that they are heavily limiting the immigration there already. I think that if they can successfully get their native birth rates to replacement level (which is feasible as they do have high birth rates there) and with a strict integration focus, they could essentially survive as a white majority society with a small non-white minority that eventually ‘whitens up’ so to speak.
Also some interesting news. Due to the recent BLM riots, I’ve noticed on twitter alot of your average and mainstream Brits actually showing what I’d call white Identitarian signs. It’s something you’d only find say on white nationalist sites 10 years ago but these days, more seem to be sympathising with white identity politics. I think the statue pulling and the heavy crime associated with it really has started to shock the mainstream.
Now obviously it’s not going to lead into full blown WNism but you never know, it might lead to more pro-white identity politics down the line…
Yes, Denmark is the real deal, the closest thing to real "patriotic ethnostate" in the making, and the whole thing is staying completely under the radar of Western government, media and NGO.
Out of all of the Scandinavian countries, I always tend to find Denmark is the more conservative when it comes to immigration. I’ve spoken to Danes in the past and compared to the Swedes, most of them had a negative opinion on immigration, particularly from the Islamic world. What is more surprising is that this attitude stretches back into the early 2000s, well before the Alt Right and Identitarism started to become more mainstream.
Yes, Denmark is the real deal, the closest thing to real "patriotic ethnostate" in the making, and the whole thing is staying completely under the radar of Western government, media and NGO.
Out of all of the Scandinavian countries, I always tend to find Denmark is the more conservative when it comes to immigration. I’ve spoken to Danes in the past and compared to the Swedes, most of them had a negative opinion on immigration, particularly from the Islamic world. What is more surprising is that this attitude stretches back into the early 2000s, well before the Alt Right and Identitarism started to become more mainstream.
Yes, Denmark has done a good job in heavily regulating immigration. I think the population is still 90 percent ethnic Danish. They also keep getting more tough on immigrants due to the influence of the Danish People’s Party continually having a role in government. So all in all, I think Denmark has a chance to survive.
As for Eastern Europe, I think their leaders are really stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they do want to reject immigration and keep their countries a native as they possibly can. On the other, due to the mass emigration of their youth to the West, they are stuck with huge labour shortages and need migrants.
It all depends on how they handle this. The Russian method of immigration actually works as it is a revolving door policy. The Central Asians go to Russia for work, they earn money and go back home as wealthier people. That immigration could work for the Visegrad group.
If they decide to go for a fully legalised multi-kulti society in the long run, then as you know we are looking at the Visegrad states going down the Western European path. If that is the case, they are about 30 years behind.
They will argue “well they are doing the jobs we won’t do and it is all legalized” but the West also accepted legalised migrants to do the dirty jobs to begin with too. Many of these once working communities soon devolved into slum areas 3 generations on. As we see with the North Africans in France, the Pakistani communities in the UK, etc, etc.
Let’s hope Visegrad continues to learn the lessons from the West and restricts the immigration to the bare essential and follows more the Russian method.
There is a huge question mark when it comes to Russia. Right now under Putin, it is following a more patriotic high water mark but it remains to be seen after Putin what direction the country is going to take on next. A big problem is that you do have a generation of Russian youth who still idolise “Democracy” and “Liberalism” and want Russia to follow the same path, naively thinking that if they do so, they will get to have the quality of life Westerners had during the late 20th century.
On the other hand, you do have more of the youth put off by the current situation and realise that the West is going down the wrong path and Russia should find another way. However on all sides there is alot of criticism now about Putin. So whether that is concerning criticism of Putin’s ideas or just the corruption I’m not too sure. But I do fear Russia could, unless something major comes along, join the Western rot if it is not too careful.
However, considering how quickly the West is deteriorating, I think this might be enough to put Russia off the West for good. But even I am resigned to the fact that Russia is at this moment in time Europe’s last great hope. If she goes, the party is over for good.
This is the easiest question to answer on why blacks did not advance compared to the other races and it is very simple. They had no reason too. You see, Africa is a very comfortable continent to live in with no major pressures (until relatively recently that is). Black people had everything they ever needed. Enough animals to provide food and clothes. A good temperature so they did not have to worry about building strong foundations to keep warm in. Large spaces of land where disease did not roam as freely and wars, whilst still available, happened at lesser frequency compared to elsewhere. From a Human evolutionary point of view, the black man was living in a garden of Eden. He just did not need to advance.
Now compare this to the Europeans. The Humans who settled Europe had to deal with it being the smallest continent in the world so essentially tribes were more cramped together meaning more war. Disease can spread more easily. The continent gets cold, very cold, so they need to develop tools to make more warmer accommodation and clothes. You have more famines due to the weather. Oh great, the guy next door wants to your stuff and is coming close so you best get more weapons and quickly to fight him off. Wait, I can make a better weapon to defend myself with, this will keep him away. But now I need money to maintain my weapons and defences. Here comes trade and economic development.
So basically what we have here is the tale of two peoples. One had everything he needed and did not develop. The other was struggling very hard and had to develop and advance in order to survive. As is history.
The big problem now is the man who did not develop now wants the other guys stuff but does not know how to properly maintain it due to he needs to go through his own evolution to attain it. The other guy is letting him have his stuff because he has reached an existential crisis where he his claiming he has no right to exist. That is basically the huge problem.
I’d argue in essence we are in the second generation. The first who started to really create this mess was the baby boomers. Gen X never really seemed too bothered and even downright critical at times. It’s the Millennials who are the true second generation and they are going full blown young pioneers. As a majority, they unfortunately cannot be persuaded. They are too collectivistic in their outlook. I would not be surprised if the establishment told them to do kamikaze strikes in the name of “diversity”, they would even hesitate.
The Zoomers are interesting however. I wouldn’t call them nationalists but they are becoming more sceptical or even critical of the system. This usually happens in the third generation, as it was in the USSR. The system usually collapses when the third generation stops believing in it.
I wouldn't put any faith at all in the Zoomers. Indoctrination works and they're the most heavily indoctrinated generation in history.
The Zoomers are interesting however. I wouldn’t call them nationalists but they are becoming more sceptical or even critical of the system.
I have no idea what this guy was moaning about at the time. From my own knowledge, race mixing in the Soviet Union was not actually a crime per say. There was no actual laws against it and I do know Russians did (and still do) intermarry say with Tartars. It’s just that Russia has always been socially conservative, even the surrounding countries and groups within Russia, that race mixing itself is more rare as people voluntarily prefer not to do it en mass. So no idea where he got the idea the Soviet Union forbid him to actually do it…
His issue was that he couldn't marry foreign (Indian) citizens due to their potential political unreliability.
So no idea where he got the idea the Soviet Union forbid him to actually do it…
Yeah it is a nonsense story. America had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race (obviously was repealed with the Loving case) and apartheid South Africa went a step further even, forbidding not only marriage but even having sex outside of your racial group. If you were caught even having a random non-white hook up, you went to prison.
Now comparing this to the Soviet Union, there were no such laws in place. Obviously as one poster pointed out they had issues with marriage to foreigners which was mainly for ideological reasons. However for all intents and purposes, there was no law or even punishment for actually marrying or sleeping outside of your racial group. So compared to America or apartheid South Africa, the Soviet Union was actually pretty liberal in that regard.
You know it’s funny but when I talk to Russians today and ask them how people living in the country view race mixing, it’s actually still viewed as something most people would prefer not to do as a majority. I’m not just talking about the whites but actually the various Asian groups living throughout the country. Native Siberians prefer to marry their own group, same with Tartars, same even with Uzbekis and Tajiks (unless they desperately want citizenship to which they try to marry a white girl but usually it’s rare). So despite living together for hundreds in years on the steppe, the vast majority have not actually mixed together into one homogenous mass but instead have stayed rather tribal which is interesting to view from not only a nationalistic but also demographic perspective as well.
I think this whole “let’s mix the world into one big coffee coloured race” is a uniquely American phenomenon. Out of all the people I have met, I’d say the Anglos are the biggest race mixers out there, especially amongst the men. But if you look back in Anglo history, it’s always been a phenomenon. During the British Empire, it was quite common for soldiers and officers to have sex with natives in the newly found colonies, even marrying the higher up caste such as in British India. So I think therefore if any group is going to mix itself into something else, it’ll be the Anglos.
No it didn't. Virginia had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race. As did about 15 other states at the time of the Loving v. Virginia case.
"America had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race"
No offense, but this post is dumb. It's quite common for invading soldiers to bang women wherever they go, it's not an Anglo phenomenon. Whole societies(Latin American specifically, though also some Polynesian societies) were formed this way. In the case of Anglo settlers societies, they were formed more by folk migrations and had less mixing.
I think this whole “let’s mix the world into one big coffee coloured race” is a uniquely American phenomenon. Out of all the people I have met, I’d say the Anglos are the biggest race mixers out there, especially amongst the men. But if you look back in Anglo history, it’s always been a phenomenon. During the British Empire, it was quite common for soldiers and officers to have sex with natives in the newly found colonies, even marrying the higher up caste such as in British India. So I think therefore if any group is going to mix itself into something else, it’ll be the Anglos.
Not a problem, you posted a very interesting question and it has been a topic that has been on my mind as well recently. Anyway, when it comes to Russia, I wouldn’t say it is a Democracy anymore then the U.S or UK. The thing is – Democracy never works anyway. It’s a lie and always has been. The only difference is who actually runs the democracy.
Now in Russia, the system is pretty much entirely run by Putin. As Russians have told me before, Putin is a strong king and Russians throughout their history have always needed a strong leader to successfully run the country. Putin is in effect no more different then say Rurik, Vladimir the Great, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, even Stalin and Brezhnev. But getting back to Putin and his power, essentially every decision made goes through Putin. His government relies on him to make decisions, whether good or bad. As one Russian told me, “Putin knows how to be King.”
So it’s not really a true democracy in that power is shared and all parties get a credible voice. They don’t. There is alot of corruption of course. But the key thing is real power stays in the hands of the national interest.
Now in the West, the democracy is run primarily by corporations and their lackeys. They pretty much make the decisions and this is passed down to all of those politicians who make money from generous donations who stick with whatever the corporation’s want and make decisions based on that. Can you see the difference? Real power is being made on an international capitalist scale rather then on the national stage, which is the big difference with Putin and Russia.
However you right about the proportional representation system. The various parties in Russia can be elected to the Duma in stark contrast to the Anglo countries. So that is at least something Russia has right.
It was the same in Europe 500 years ago too. My point is blacks had no reason to advance because they pretty much had their basic needs secured. Food, shelter, heat, etc. If you have those in abundance pretty early, why advance anymore? There is simply no reason too.
Actually Africa did have some success stories. Mali was one of the best they had. They managed to create a very wealthy empire thanks to the gold mines they had. Obviously the conversion to Islam at the time helped with education rates in that empire but for native Africa, it did very well at the time. Then you had Ethiopia which was for quite a time a very powerful localised empire in the region.
Black Africa was also starting to experiment with developing towns with stone wall defences so they were starting to settle down in larger numbers. I think that had they had been left to their own devices, eventually they would have evolved to the feudal agricultural level and then started to industrialise. It would have been alot slower then Europe due to the lack of necessity but it slowly was starting to take shape.
The problem is, they were too slow and obviously Europe helped create huge messes which is why Africa is in so much poverty to this day. We tried to industrialise them too fast and turned them into basically a cash crop for us. This in turn has led to the population there ballooning, it’s still poor and now they are coming to Europe en masse. In a sense, sins of the fathers….
Honestly I think that after this warm summer, Russia will have a very cold winter. I don’t think anything is too unusual. Well I hope not.
Yes I am getting very concerned about Belarus. Ok on the one hand, I can understand that people do want to improve their quality of life. I don’t think we can argue against that. However, what does concern me is where this pro-democracy movement is going to lead to. The main oppositionist candidate has said he would like Belarus to be independent from both the West and Russia. Fair enough but as we know, money is going to start pouring in from somewhere and I fear the pro-democracy people might just shift to the West heavily, thinking that it’ll give them a great quality of life.
You know, a Russian once told me something quite pessimistic once. The person said that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine would accept mass immigration and becoming a minority if it gave them a really good quality of life. In other words, they’d be happy to sell out. This did make me feel lost for words but it does make you wonder…
This is what I am fearing the most about the Slavic world in general. I did have an honest chat with Dimitry several days ago and he was quite positive these people would not make an impact on Russian politics and that the country would take a Visegrad turn. Which is good news. The only problem is Visegrad is now trying to promote legal immigration from third world countries in order to facilitate their labour shortages…
After Putin, give it time and you might end up with these idiots influencing the mainstream, saying the country needs to open up to immigration because of the low birth rates and we need more taxes. Also wouldn’t gay marriage be a lovely thing too? People may just accept that, particularly a future government that has decided to fully embrace a capitalistic model.
I don’t know about you guys but I honestly do not feel as optimistic for Eastern Europe and Russia as I once did. I think after Putin we are going to see the country push in a huge democratic direction and that means all sorts of craziness is bound to happen.
A very wonderfully written article Andrew on the current problem in the West today. I never saw it quite like that but you have really framed it so well. It is like the flagellants of the past and it is utter madness what is happening. However, I do see some light at the end of the tunnel. Lately when I go on twitter, I see alot of people furious with BLM. What surprised me the most however was that many of these posters are just average looking people and they are posting pro-white messages that only would have been seen on a more radical website like Stormfront 10 years ago.
I think that people in the West are starting to really get fed up now. I don’t think the opposition is going to be purely white nationalist entirely but I think in the long run you could promote a healthy white Identitarian message out of this.
As for the Jews in Israel, if I’m honest, both the Jews and the Palestinians there are equal in terms of the hatred they have for each other. I wouldn’t be surprised if on the other side of the fence, you had Palestinians spectating and enjoying the view of rockets falling into Israeli territory. I never see a “right” side in this conflict.
The big question though Felix we need to ask ourselves is how committed the average Russian is to maintaining a powerful hold? I think it really all depends on the next generation. Dimitri was more optimistic thinking there would still be a power struggle but I do wonder if this power play is simply down to the current Russian elite having been brought up under the USSR. Today’s youth might be quite happy to forget about Belarus or if Belarus goes West, might even start demanding to join in the fun…
If I am to be brutally honest, the more I am seeing from Russia, the more I am starting to consider it a ticking time bomb of liberalism. I think Putinism is sort of a last hurrah if I’m honest.
I think you're asking the wrong question: "average Russian" is not making these foreign policy decisions. By the same token "average American" never asked for NATO expansion in Eastern Europe, containment of China in East Asia or colonial empire in the Middle East.Average Russian is very much focused on issues of his day-to-day survival, and expects higher-ups to take care of foreign policy matters. That being said, average Russian is smart enough to understand that he is not part of "the West", never will be, and any Western successes usually come at his expense. Average Russian possesses a healthy dose of chauvinism, and if a government is perceived as "soft" vis-a-vis Russia's foreign adversaries, such a government will lose its domestic legitimacy.
The big question though Felix we need to ask ourselves is how committed the average Russian is to maintaining a powerful hold?
There is no "time bomb of liberalism" in Russia, unless you believe there will be an economic miracle. While there is indeed one of the world's richest governments and elites in Russia, the lifestyle of ordinary people is not conducive for a development of liberalism. To say simply, most ordinary people in Russia are not rich enough for a mass movement of this kind of hipster politics, which requires people to be soaked in comfort for a generation (In Western Europe, most of the population have been soaked in wealth and comfort for perhaps two generations). People don't suddenly acquire Scandinavian politics and Scandinavian mentality, unless they have lived a life of Scandinavian comfort and Scandinavian wealth. Bourgeois liberalism is possible in the bourgeois parts of Russian cities and perhaps Kiev. But only a minority of the people in the country have the lifestyle of the bourgeoisie. Until or unless Russia attains Western European living standards, it will neither attain Western European politics.
ticking time bomb of liberalism
In many ways, Putin is more liberal and tolerant than normal people on a personal level, while he is ultra-conservative in terms of societal stability. He is an ultra conservative is the terms of Metternich - to maintain existing social order, which he has partly helped create.Replies: @Hartnell
Putinism is sort of a last hurrah if I’m honest.
This sounds quite awful, a little bit like freedom and the ability to really put self determination into practice. Russia needs to quickly send in their battalion of "little green men" and tear off a chunk of the country (I might suggest Vicebsk that is closest to Smolensk that is ethnographically Belorusian). This "anschluss" tactic hasn't worked very well in neighboring Ukraine, however, Belarus is a much smaller country than Ukraine, so who knows?...Replies: @Hartnell, @Ano4
Whoever replaces Lukashenka can therefore be expected to pursue pro-Western nationalism: that means a ban on Russian language, attacks on Russian business interests and joint military exercises with NATO in the most optimistic scenario.
It wouldn’t work this time around. Unlike the Crimeans, Belarusians are quite happy to be independent and if anything did occur on the Russian side, there would be mass riots, huge international condemnation and probably even more sanctions. If that happens, the Russian economy would probably go into a major economic crisis, leading to potential huge riots and protests there as well.
To be honest, I don’t think any major changes will come from the Putin era of leadership and the current individuals you mention will probably stick with the status quo for the foreseeable future. I’m looking further down the pipeline at the next generation of leadership, particularly Russia’s millennials. From my observation, they aren’t woke but they do remind me of Britain’s boomer generation, minus the glorious wealth. More individualistic, concerned with making money.
To be honest, the only thing saving Russia at this moment with this generation is how the West is declining. But if it wasn’t for a Western decline, I bet they’d be more than happy to jump on board the Globo Express train.
Honestly, I do not care about what happens between Israel and Palestine. It’s none of my business. If they want to blow each other up, fine. What is my concern is when this crap starts hitting Europe, which obviously with the refugee crisis, it is starting too.
What do you personally make of Navalny? To me, I’ve always viewed him as another potential Yeltsin figure who would pretty much destroy the country and sell out the family silver so to speak.
Sure, Navalny talks almost only about money today (when 10 years ago, as blogger, he used to write about wider ranges of things, and show a high level of idiocy on different topics). However, Navalny's focus on money, is the more accurate "analysis" - everyone knows that the raison d'être of the whole theatre of politics, is to distract the stupid population while you take vast amounts of money. A large part of the drama made by politicians is an epiphenomenon of the scam. Not only in Russia by the way. The difference in Russia though is that public know this already, and are rationally choosing to because it's better to be slightly raped in stable circumstances than fully raped in unstable ones.
sell out the family silver
There is no "time bomb of liberalism" in Russia, unless you believe there will be an economic miracle. While there is indeed one of the world's richest governments and elites in Russia, the lifestyle of ordinary people is not conducive for a development of liberalism. To say simply, most ordinary people in Russia are not rich enough for a mass movement of this kind of hipster politics, which requires people to be soaked in comfort for a generation (In Western Europe, most of the population have been soaked in wealth and comfort for perhaps two generations). People don't suddenly acquire Scandinavian politics and Scandinavian mentality, unless they have lived a life of Scandinavian comfort and Scandinavian wealth. Bourgeois liberalism is possible in the bourgeois parts of Russian cities and perhaps Kiev. But only a minority of the people in the country have the lifestyle of the bourgeoisie. Until or unless Russia attains Western European living standards, it will neither attain Western European politics.
ticking time bomb of liberalism
In many ways, Putin is more liberal and tolerant than normal people on a personal level, while he is ultra-conservative in terms of societal stability. He is an ultra conservative is the terms of Metternich - to maintain existing social order, which he has partly helped create.Replies: @Hartnell
Putinism is sort of a last hurrah if I’m honest.
You have some good points here. It is difficult to ascertain what Russia’s political future is but from what you are describing, it seems to be that the only thing keeping Russia conservative at the moment is basically the living standards, which seems to be something most Russians are protesting about these days.
I think the larger question we have to ask ourselves is can Russia successfully improve its quality of life without going full blown libtard and GloboHomo? The only two examples I can think of is Japan and Israel. High standards of living yet conservative still in their outlook (even downright nationalistic in Israel – defence of the Jewish people)
Otherwise we can say that is essentially a ticking time bomb in the long run, if Russia’s economy actually does start to improve post-Putin. Although to be fairly honest, I think the days of the Western gravy train are pretty much over and Russia has been simply too late to get onboard so it is very sceptical if Russia can actually acquire that standard of living when the West is starting to decline in the information age…
That said, I do think Russia is protected from guilt politics compared to the West. No country can point the finger and really blame Russia because you guys can easily retort with “well we had the gulags and we lost 20 million in the war.”
Man, what kind of obsession is that about an eastern european country going full libtard? This simply won't happen, don't worry about it. These countries are outside of the Hajnal line, and full scale libtardation seems to be highly correlated with that.Have you seen Eastern Europe that is in the EU and NATO from some time? No one has gone full libtard. I have studied the issue personally and the answer is no. It does not work in this part of the world.First - the Hajnal line. Collectivism is higher outside of it, which means less individualism and less liberalism. Russia/Eastern Europe is less individualist than the West.Second - Russia is in higly competitive area with many very different cultures and civilisations - Eurasia. Liberalism happens in more protected and isolated areas (the end of the European Peninsula, or North America, or ANZ). High competition between neighboring countries is negative for the existance of large scale liberalism. Russia has issues with many countries around it, plus too much cultural differences with various different civisations around it (as per Huffington) in order to have open borders. Open borders in Russia's case would mean islamisation and chinafication of the eastern parts, which would be a mortal threat to the country. It has a defensive mindset. Not conductive for liberalism.Third - separatism. The country has issues with it in various areas. Identity politics will simply implode the country. Thus the countries elites are looking for unity and stability, not for identity politics. 4. Reorientation of the country towards Eurasia. That is - the country will be less and less connected with the West and more connected with the traditional values cultures of Eurasia. Businesses matter. When they are less conected with the West, and more connected with Eurasia, there will be less liberalism coming through them. Tourism is already mostly non-western - in and out.5. I already told you about the female testosteron issue, which makes the existance of large scale feminism in an eastern european country unlikely.6. The guilt issues that you already mentioned.7. Long time religion of the country is quite conservative.8. Liberalism seems to be the other side of the medal for racism. That is, formerly "racist" countries seem to be compensating for it by trying to create an "antiracist utopia". This is hitting mostly western countries. Most of the rest of the world thinks about themselves first, they can not afford to be "saving the world" instead of thinking about themselves.9. Western attacks against the country are radicalising it against the West. For example right now Russia is more conservative than before 20 years. It is not possible to have pro-western mindest when they try to dismember your country, move in in former parts of the country, etc. Even young people would not agree to have US bases in, let's say, Crimea. That would be too much of humiliation.10. There are active measures to prevent things like this. The new constitution is precisely about it.
Russia going full blown libtard and GloboHomo.
I think it is simply all down to levels of comfort on both sides. For the left, they are protesting and rioting because the state supports them. There will be no consequences and ultimately they can return back to their lives as the smoke clears problem free. For the right, they too are also comfortable and do not want to lose this comfort over fighting back for what is right. Instead they’d rather ‘protest’ on the internet. It will take dwindling levels of comfort to get the right to truly start organising.
When it comes to race in America, I always get the feeling the whole multi-racial ‘united’ country is just one big Potemkin village. That is on the face of it, people ‘pretend’ to love diversity but in reality, all groups usually quite happily self-segregate into their own groups.
If I am honest, I’ve always thought America would do quite well adopting something similar to the Dutch idea of Pilliarisation, as what established between the Dutch and Belgians. That is all groups have their own majority communities, with their own majority run public services (education, police, fire, health, etc) but still remaining United and faithful to the country. That is equal opportunities for everyone, working for the country but overall living where they choose to live and in effect governing their own areas with an equal budget.
So not segregation but just a natural convenience for everybody. If you even look at demographic stats in America and where people live, it really does show a strong streak of Pilliarisation already. Might as well help provide the funding for it.
I have to confess, I once had my fears of a potential SJW putsch after Putin. I never saw it happening anytime soon but probably 20 years down the pipeline. However, I have been convinced recently of Dimitry and his thoughts.
What we have to understand about Russia is its history and where it is going on a political and economic stage compared to the West. Right now Russia has an economy mainly centred on oil and gas. The West wants to make do without this by phasing out petrol and diesel engines by 2040. This is going to hurt Russia’s economy.
In other words, Russia has the potential to have more problems and right now, the last thing on the youths mind is going full blown SJW. They just want to improve their quality of life. Yet if there are more problems around the corner, there simply will not be the time or place to worry about BLM, for example.
Plus all of these immigrants do not want to move to Russia. There is no major welfare state for them to live on and if Russia does try to enact a major welfare state over the entire country, once again, major problems. Plus I doubt Russians want to pay millions for Africans or Muslims to live for free in their country on their expense when they have their own worries.
Overall, I think for Russia, the future is more likely going to be right wing then we imagine. For example in the following steps:
1) They have to find new economic alternatives with which to grow the economy away from oil and gas. Which means more protectionism in the long run. Could lead to a nice growth in soft cultural power however.
2) Not many immigrants want to live in Russia. It’ll be too much of a cost and I doubt millions of Africans are going to want to live in -45c conditions in Siberia. Any that do make it will go to Moscow and St. Petersburg but even then, there will be stiff competition for jobs from the natives.
Therefore if Russia is to survive and since no one wants to really move there, they need to start having babies. Hence why going nationalistic is probably the only way the country can become competitive.
3) They don’t want more Chechnya’s. The West has yet to experience this but Russia remembers.
4) The West is heavily declining. Russians are shocked with BLM. They are starting to see a continent in decline. The more the West starts to decline and the crazier it becomes, the more Russians are going to pull up the draw bridge.
So overall, I think that Russia has the potential to be great but it needs to solve the economy and corruption, have more kids and basically keep looking at the West failing.
Remember back in the 1980s, the West was freedom, economic prosperity and greatness. A shining city on the hill. Now it’s starting to resemble a third world basket case. It will only intensify. I doubt for improving the quality of life, many Russians need convincing that SJWism and millions of third world people is a good idea for improving this…
This is always a problem that has been going on since the dawn of time. Basically large settlements turn into cities that become large breeding grounds for Cosmopolitanism until they eventually collapse and shrink, leading to more right wing thinking and behaviour.
I think the way to beat this is to always ensure you have strong birth rates, particularly in the countryside. If you have that factor and it is a continued generation of new babies being born, then they start to migrate back into the cities, giving them a more closely resembled ethnic look.
To be honest though, I do think the future of white people is actually going to be more conservative. The more they get pushed from the cities and back into the town’s and villages, the more right wing and conservation they will become. I think Karlin documented this a year or two ago.
I think if you want a prime example of what the white man is going through, look at the history of the Jews. When they were at their peak in ancient Israel, they went ‘liberal’ for those days before eventually downsizing, becoming more conservative and moving into Europe, where they started to become more liberal again until the 20th century…
Nowadays in Israel, they are very right wing and concerned about their survival. That I think is a similarish fate for European eventually.
But are white people getting pushed from the cities?
To be honest though, I do think the future of white people is actually going to be more conservative. The more they get pushed from the cities and back into the town’s and villages, the more right wing and conservation they will become.
It is interesting that it is mainly white men on motorcycles discussing this ‘frustrating’ fact about China. I’m not sure what it is about white people but there does seem to be something inherently liberal about them. That is everything must be open and not closed at all.
I do wonder if it goes back to the history of the Indo-Europeans traveling everywhere by horse back and this mentality has somehow stuck in the mainstream population genetics. That is the desire for travel and expansion into foreign realms…
Yeah even though I have mixed feelings by what is going on in Russia, it does make you wonder if eventually it is going to become a lost cause there. It’ll come later of course but once the wealth levels go up, the liberalism will surely follow.
Ask yourself this question though. Does anybody really want to listen to views on here? I tend to find that most people can only be pushed so far.
Right now with places like Parler, you do have many Trumpists but also the anti-islamic faction too. Yes, it’s not actually anything to do with ethnic nationalism but it’s a huge step in the right direction. At least people are turning heavily against BLM and do tend to agree with Trump and his base message of no more immigration/America first.
Honestly, I just don’t expect the view points expressed on this website is ever going to truly make it to the mainstream.
Our views don't need to be mainstream. They just have to be moderately popular within SOCOM.
Honestly, I just don’t expect the view points expressed on this website is ever going to truly make it to the mainstream.
Our views don't need to be mainstream. They just have to be moderately popular within SOCOM.
Honestly, I just don’t expect the view points expressed on this website is ever going to truly make it to the mainstream.
This is true. To be honest, I think that when it comes to view points on this website, the best that can be achieved is what I would term as a healthy white Identitarism. Nothing radical, just promote the idea that it is fine to be white, there is nothing wrong with it, too much immigration destroys the traditional identity, etc.
I think the Trumpists would be accepting of such a message. I have noticed a lot of them now are accepting pro-white points of view. As long as it isn’t too radical and holds any prejudice to other groups, they will get on board.
I think there are some key differences here on what could take shape. If Biden wins, the Republicans can put down the Trump saga as a regrettable mistake and go back to being the boring old Jen Bush party moaning about lowering taxes for the rich and abortion.
However if Trump wins, the Republicans will have to acknowledge that people support Trumpism and will have to start re orientating the party towards Trumpian Populism in future elections as they will realise that it is a permanent vote winner. Basically how they started to change themselves into becoming an evangelical Conservative party due to Reagan where as before, it was the Democrats who were the Conservatives.
Even if they do this though, the Republicans are still going to remain the good old American majority white party so out right winning future elections after Trump is going to be very difficult. I think this all potentially bodes for a potential secession crisis in the future.
However even if Trump wins, the Democrats may start to take notice and try to compete with the Republicans and start to moderate their policies, shifting away from Identity politics and embracing the populist waves and trying to alternate with a more centrist position. But considering all the crazy lefties in power within the party structure, this would be an incredibly difficult task, almost Herculean to achieve.
So we could still be looking at a potential secession down the road.
But we all have to admit one thing – Donald Trump, love him or loathe him, has changed ultimately the political face of politics for the better. Even though he actually has done very little, just the fact he got elected with his views really does go to show the people have had enough and want changes.
Instead of that, the vast majority are just normal people from another culture trying to live and work in a new country. In fact they are just humans…
LOL. And did the Algerians say the same of the pied-noirs after they got their independence? And now you stand to lose your independence to those you once colonised. And you’re unwilling to fight off and drive out those colonising you unlike the Algerians did to you. Maybe one day you will or maybe you won’t. I just don’t know why you didn’t stay in Algeria and keep pouring in even more European and black African colonists into it and create this globo-homo multiracial diversified melange on their own Algerian soil, and in all your other colonies, instead of in your home country. It would have made sense to carry out such a social experiment on foreign soil and see how it works before deciding if you want to continue with it in your own country or just give up on it because it’s unworkable. It seems to me that those Algerians of old that drove you out were more “human” than you are now, because they were unwilling to accept foreigners on their soil and willing to go to any lengths and make any sacrifice to get them out – and that surely is the human thing to do if you love your own people an your own country. No wonder they don’t respect you and take any advantage they can of you and yours when they land on your shore, just easy pickings for them.
The Pieds-Noirs who left Algeria did so by their own will, not because they were forced to. It was a self-designed outcome, the irrational consequence of their terrorist, no-prisoner-taken, all-out war against the inevitable Algerian self-determination, in opposition to De Gaulle's vision for a negotiated solution.
LOL. And did the Algerians say the same of the pied-noirs after they got their independence?
But you forget that your countries are also aging at an extreme rate. As a result of this, I have noticed that the Polish and Hungarian governments have started to silently ‘import’ legal workers from outside the EU bloc, namely India and other non-white countries. They’ve just put up the wall to Islam instead.
If I’m honest, I think that the Visegrad nations are about 30 years behind Europe. As your quality of life starts to improve, your population will start to become more liberal and infused with GloboHomo ideas. The elites will then foister continued ‘legal’ immigration due to low birth rates. If it’s legal and safe, the population will continue to tolerate it.
I think that by the end of this century, Eastern Europe will be as diverse as Western Europe. Unless people develop an ethno-patriotic back bone and combine that with having a good quality of life, then Europe can survive. But since wealth and liberalism seem to correlate, I am not optimistic.
As with nationalists everywhere, eastern/central European nationalists are largely bullshitters and reality deniers. Their countries are just as diverse as Western Europe and one could say their cultures are more screwed up. People acting like Western Europe is diverse and culturally fucked are mostly propagandizers and victims of mental illness.Replies: @Beckow
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Almost all imported workers here are from Ukraine and Serbia. There are some Indians in Warsaw, and maybe Poles can explain it to us, but you are incorrect or you massively exaggerate.Our birth-rates are not ideal, but they would keep the same population (with the same demographic as today) for another 2-3 generations. E.g. Czech Republic has had around 10 million people for 100 years and the current birth rate would maintain it. The 'low birth rate' is a made up canard - most countries in Europe would simply be stable, but why would we need additional population growth? And please, don't start with the 'workers-retired' nonsense - there is no shortage of workers and there never will be - just look around, there is a dramatic shortage of available work, that's the real issue. The oligarchs and their 'academics' are lying for profit to you.
...silently ‘import’ legal workers from outside the EU bloc, namely India and other non-white countries.
Personally I think you are missing the point here. There are two relevant facts at play. The first is karma and the second is stupid white people. Let us begin.
Karma – The Anglo-Saxon West pretty much destroyed the entire balance of the planet with its greed for profit and lust for empire building. You pointed out the destruction of the native Americans but what about the deathsnof millions of Indians due to British colonialism? Or the millions of Chinese during the Opium War and other British policies?
Unlike even the Romans, the British and other European powers actually left little behind in terms of infrastructure and economic development in their once colonies, aside from railroads left behind in India. Most of it was basically one big plantation economy.
So what do the once colonial subjects want to do? Leave their own countries and come back to the motherland. Imperialism has been a long term disaster for the West.
Stupid white people – Yes, yes, people here blame the Jews but let’s be honest here, if it was the Jews who helped contribute, who happily lapsed it up and performed the dance? The stupid white people! Had the stupid white people been more intelligent, they would have put two and two together and stopped the madness along time ago. Instead they are worshipping George Floyd.
Look, I’m no leftie liberal. I want white people to survive and prosper. But honestly, I see alot of sins and ultimately stupidity at the white man’s feet. I blame him more then anyone else.
Almost all imported workers here are from Ukraine and Serbia. There are some Indians in Warsaw, and maybe Poles can explain it to us, but you are incorrect or you massively exaggerate.Our birth-rates are not ideal, but they would keep the same population (with the same demographic as today) for another 2-3 generations. E.g. Czech Republic has had around 10 million people for 100 years and the current birth rate would maintain it. The 'low birth rate' is a made up canard - most countries in Europe would simply be stable, but why would we need additional population growth? And please, don't start with the 'workers-retired' nonsense - there is no shortage of workers and there never will be - just look around, there is a dramatic shortage of available work, that's the real issue. The oligarchs and their 'academics' are lying for profit to you.
...silently ‘import’ legal workers from outside the EU bloc, namely India and other non-white countries.
You know, I really hope what you are saying is correct. I really do. Do you know why I am pessimistic? Because I have seen the exact same arguments and false beliefs in my own native Britain for so long now.
I’ll give you a history class. In 1947, the government told people that we needed to invite black Jamaicans and other West Indies people in order to fill a labour shortage after the war due to the loss of soldiers. It would be temporary and they would go back home. Hint: It never happened.
In the 1960s, the government invited thousands of Asian (Indian and Pakistani) migrants, particularly from Africa in order to escape Idi Amin and his regime. People complained about it, they started to march, the government told them the numbers are just about enough to fill a football pitch and nothing more. There was no way that traditional white British people would become a minority in their own homeland.
They lied. Only Thatcher in the 1980s was honest enough to prevent mass continued immigration but after her came Tony Blair who decided to hit the nuclear option and turn the UK into a diverse society to rub the rights nose in it. The flood gates opened and have been pretty much the same ever since.
Now you say ‘it’ll never happen here, we are too proud and patriotic.’ Well, so were the British people. They marched, they protested, they tried to politically do something about this madness and were told it was all exaggeration. But they did try.
I can see the same signs with Eastern Europe. You are proud, patriotic. Right now your people are matching and protesting but for how long? I see the rot of GloboHomo taking shape in the East and I am not optimistic.
In 30 years time, you could see a new generation of politician get into power who want to truly transform EE as it is backwards and not at all glorious like the “enlightened West.” They will do it slowly until eventually, you get to the point where what is another half a million blacks going to matter?
You want to know the only hope you have of preventing this? If the West collapses first and your people panic and realise that it is not the way forward. Already there are signs that EE is starting to lose faith in the West but it’s going to take more craziness from the West before the youth there fully abandon such copy cat ideas.
But never think for one minute EE is immune from this and can weather out the storm. Just look at Japan. Already they are bringing in hundreds of thousands of new Philippine and Indonesian migrant workers. Something once considered impossible. And the people? They are accepting it.
Black countries are in the same boat: if they have higher living standards, they get an immigration problem and even similar appeasing reactions from politicians.
But never think for one minute EE is immune from this and can weather out the storm. Just look at Japan. Already they are bringing in hundreds of thousands of new Philippine and Indonesian migrant workers. Something once considered impossible. And the people? They are accepting it.
Words that could be coming from a German or a Swede. So much for supposed black toughness and brutality. Since softening up to immigrants (and to unfortunate people in general, as well as animals) is such a universal thing happening to well-off societies, I doubt there is a workable solution except rising living standards in other countries than yours. So the migrants are happy to settle there, or not leave in the first place (as Sicilians and Irish eventually stopped emigrating to America). Peasants in Japan were once so poor they were happy to migrate to Brazil, where a large Japanese diaspora formed - then the fortunes reversed and they not only stopped, but came back in significant numbers.
Ministry of Disaster Preparedness Permanent Secretary Carl Smith said yesterday undocumented migrants should “go home” as The Bahamas prepares for a tropical storm this weekend.
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While speaking at a National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) press conference, he said, “We have to come to the place and realize that that situation has to be addressed. I said previously the International Organization for Migration’s focus is on providing housing for migrants.
“So, when they make their report and speak to the lack of accommodations to house persons in The Bahamas to protect them from storms, they have built into their consideration the countless number of migrants that are in The Bahamas.
“Part of our preparation needs to be that if you are in The Bahamas illegally, you should make every effort to go home. We are a very humane society. We provide water and food and shelter but there’s only so much that we can do.”
https://thenassauguardian.com/2020/07/30/smith-urges-undocumented-migrants-to-go-home/
If you are talking about permanently settling in Bhutan,its for you.Firstly, the laws of Bhutanese constitution never allow any foreign citizen to be a permanent citizen of Bhutan. However, a foreigner(you) can be a citizen condition, you must marry a Bhutanese spouse. You have to lead and live life based on MC systems on renewal basis. But to be honest , there will be some consequences at later part of life.Your offspring(s) will not be eligible to obtain and own a citizen ID card. which also means he/she won't be a fully Bhutanese citizin. As a result, offspring cannot have free higher education ( Free Education facility by the Royal Govt. Of Bhutan) and free medical facilities.Above all offsprings won't be eligible to apply for govt. Jobs. These are some major drawbacks.However you and your family will have peace, prosperity or happiness like any other people of Bhutan.I'm sure it helps you.Cheers!
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John,
Actually I agree with Beckow on this one. Compared to Western Europe, the East is very much majority white. The gypsies only really live in Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria IIRC. Even then, there has been a “whitening up” process whereby the minorities have, by and largely, interbred and become part of the majority. Russia itself is very much part of this phenomenon too as many Russians have Tartar and other non-white ancestries but look perfectly white.
If Western Europe only accepted a certain amount of non-white minorities and closed the door for good, eventually they too would “whiten up” and become indistinguishable from the natives. Problem is, the West has gone for full blown mass colonisation that Iranification is more likely then whitening up.
I disagree about Slavs not being susceptible to propaganda. ALL people are susceptible to propaganda. Are you not forgetting all of that Soviet propaganda that turned the Slavs into Stalin worshippers?
To be honest, these protestors who are opposing Lukashenko really do not care about the future of the country, their civilisation or what have you. All they want is a good quality of life. If it means joining up to the EU in order to get those juicy subsidies, then so be it.
Even Serbia wants to join the EU. Serbia, the country that was heavily bombed by NATO in the 1990s. I think when it comes to nationalism, money talks more with people these days.
Rather then try to build up their own countries, they seem willing to sell it down the drain and mass migrate to the “New Romes” (London, Paris, Berlin, etc) in order to get some share of the pie.
Truly.A week or two of living under an average American Democrat governor/tyrant would hopefully be all Karlin needs to purify his mind of the absurd claim that there is not a mass psychosis surrounding the corona virus. Either that or he would double down in the hysterical beliefs of the hypocrites who claim to be protectors of human life while they abort millions and permit support Marxist revolutionary terrorist marches that spread the virus more thoroughly than the churches or barber shops they lock down.Lukashenko, clearly not a genius, reminds me of the enlightened mind memes, where often the brainless peon has the smartest take.
I disagree about Slavs not being susceptible to propaganda. ALL people are susceptible to propaganda.
You know, I don’t think many of these people protesting actually care. They don’t think long term about the situation. They have been thoroughly indoctrinated into GloboHomo mass culture that to them, becoming like the West is the only way for them to prosper.
It is the same with the protests going on in Russia today. Most of them are young, they have grown up on a diet of GloboHomo propaganda and they want to live in a country that is on the TV such as “Friends”. They cannot conceive of the West’s problems or its future, just that it has a far better quality of life then back home.
I know what I am talking about because I have interacted alot with younger Russians and many of them still have this naive belief that if they just copy everything the West has done, magically things will radically improve. If you try to point out the alternatives, about what is happening in the West, etc, etc, they just cannot conceive that the West is bad and it is a lie. Like a religion almost.
I think the problem ultimately stems from Communism and the 1990s decade. When the Soviet system collapsed, people essentially lost hope with anything to do with Socialism and you had a younger generation growing up, watching Western TV, taking note of the bad situation in the former east at that time. Psychological speaking, the East has never recovered from that after shock.
To all of those here thinking the Slavic states are immune, to Karlin and his dreams of a greater Russian empire in space, I ask the question. Why are the Slavs not protesting for nationalism? Why are they protesting for Democracy and Liberalism?
Because it is the stronger “God” that they believe in.
Unless another system, a strong system, is developed that can successfully counter GloboHomo, Putin, Lukashenko and the nationalism that has been present is but a mirage of time that itself cannot ensure on a long term basis.
Now the bigger question is – could Democracy and Liberalism actually succeed in Belarus/Russia, etc? The answer is no, not for the long term. In Belarus’ case, it would just be a repeat Ukrainian horror show. The young would leave en masse to the “Glorious West” with false hopes of joining the EU.
In Russia’s case – it might succeed for a decade but quickly develop into another oligarchy. Whatever happens in that scenario I have no idea.
I am sceptical if this is true for Belarus, since in the 90s they voted to restore the Soviet emblem, flag and liberation day (despite being objectively aesthetically inferior)Replies: @Hartnell
When the Soviet system collapsed, people essentially lost hope with anything to do with Socialism and you had a younger generation growing up, watching Western TV, taking note of the bad situation in the former east at that time
I am sceptical if this is true for Belarus, since in the 90s they voted to restore the Soviet emblem, flag and liberation day (despite being objectively aesthetically inferior)Replies: @Hartnell
When the Soviet system collapsed, people essentially lost hope with anything to do with Socialism and you had a younger generation growing up, watching Western TV, taking note of the bad situation in the former east at that time
This is the case amongst the Soviet generation. I’d say within the 50 – 80 year age groups, Soviet nostalgia is very strong. It is this generation that regretted the breakup of the Soviet Union, still believe (even to this day) in Communism and fondly remember how great life was back then (remember the Sovok Boomer Karlin presented a while back?).
However it is the younger generation that is having none of it. The smart ones are naturally critical of the West but still see Democracy as the way forward. The masses however want to go full on West and are in love with the GloboHomo culture. As one younger Russian told me once, “amongst the youth, the minority think the West is becoming a new Sodom and Gomorrah. The majority think the West is being progressive and cool.”
Another Russian also told me to expect gay marriage in Russia within 30 – 50 years after the Putin era if the current Western pop culture still heavily stands.
So it is down to comments like this and from the protests I am reading about why I am naturally very sceptical if Belarus and Russia can avoid the same fate. Watch the Visegrad states. When they decide to start adopting gay marriage and pushing towards a more liberal culture, expect the rest of Slavdom to follow suit.
Yeah this is something I have been contemplating too. If the West was doing really well economically, everything was great and thriving and people were having a really great quality of life, I think that the Slavic world would very quickly embrace GloboHomo view points, believing that it is the road to prosperity.
However, considering that the West continues to decline with every passing year and the problems continue to grow, there is a potentially positive chance that the Slavic people will put two and two together, realising that the combination of GloboHomo views has led to the decline of the West.
I tend to concur with Dimitry that the East will for the foreseeable future attempt to go down the Visegrad route. He is right now Russia and surrounding areas have not been soaked in wealth and comfort to launch a full SJW cultural rebellion anytime soon. The protests are mainly economical in nature.
The light at the end of the tunnel might be that of Russia reaches the path of GloboHomo in 50 years time, it might be a concept long dead and buried with memories of totalitarianism that no one wants to embrace and thus might steer the country away from such stupidity. Same with Belarus. Only time will tell.
The main fear of people on this blog is that they will be reduced to the ash heap of history. They ultimately fear global liberalism as it leads to global mixing which means less and less people start to look like them. It is a basic evolutionary fact that no one likes to go extinct and usually when people can see above the herd and notice what is happening, they fear the future even more. So hence the air of sadness.
Exactly what I’ve been trying to say for a while on here now and constantly people keep denying that GloboHomo “can’t happen here.” I’ve heard many different theories on how the East cannot become like the West, ranging from women’s physical features to Slavic people being more intelligent and cynical, apparently.
Yet for all purposes, what we are seeing in Belarus is nothing short of a colour revolution and we know how this is going to play out. I was reading a Lithuanian commentator say how the EU immediately needs to back the opposition, stuff billions of Euros into the country and essentially allow freedom of movement for Belarusians.
I get it, people want a better quality of Life, we are all Human. But replacing Lukashenko with the opposition will just kill Belarus off in a very short space of time. Millions of young people will flock to the West, the nation will become impoverished with the state run industries being heavily privatised and the country will look like another East German ghost town within two decades.
There is no long term planning behind this, just “Democracy, Freedom, Money.” In the end, nothing good can come from this.
If young people in Belarus chanting they want to join the EU, they are unrealistic fantasists to the extent that even with change of government, a Belarus membership in EU would at best be accepted by EU only many years in the future. But the object of desire itself is quite a rational, "non-cargo cult" one to pursue: standards of living and career opportunities are a lot higher in Western Europe, and EU membership allows almost effortless opportunity to live in any country you want, and to access freely local health/educational infrastructure of that country. So it is easy mock about the young protesters in UK who want to not lose EU membership, as English youth live in one of the world's wealthiest countries, where there are sometimes more high salary job positions in skilled professions, than qualified people applying for those jobs. Those are English youth who simply don't want an inconvenience of a visa application when they are on vacation, or were frustrated by the expensive native educational system and want to continue going to university for free in Sweden. On the other hand, something like EU membership to young people in Belarus? Then aspect to mock is unrealistic belief that EU would accept their country while they are still young, rather than the motive - because for many young people such a EU membership would of course increase potential career opportunities, and this is even for skilled professionals who already can qualify for things like "critical skills employment permit" in countries like Ireland. And young graduates in countries like Belarus probably don't even imagine some of the easy employment situations that can be viewed in Western European countries like Ireland, and the low level of competition for a lot of jobs that exists, which despite excellent conditions and packages for those jobs.Replies: @Hartnell
allure of the globohomo cargo cult to Eastern Euro
When it comes to the EU and UK youth, it is actually surprising but many of them did not benefit from EU membership. Very few studied abroad in EU countries as the programmes to do so were never really encouraged in the British education system. I would even go as far as to say that 98 percent of young students actually went to British universities rather than EU ones…
I know this because I tried to enquire back in the day of going to an EU university so I could study for free. The options were simply just not available and all of the directions kept pointing me towards UK education. Makes sense though the UK authorities would do this as they want to keep as many debt slaves as possible…
Now in regards to the youth and working abroad in EU countries, once again this is a sham. I could count on my hand the amount of young people that actually did this. Once again, that 98 percent figure I quoted earlier stayed in the UK, working in local jobs rather then going abroad.
The only thing the youth of Britain actually profited from as a majority was cheap sunny holidays to Spain and Portugal. Oh and buying larger amounts of cheaper tobacco and booze to bring back home (which I successfully did when in the Czech Republic – was great!).
In my own perception, the Brexit situation came in several waves
1) Older people with nostalgia for the glory days who voted to leave.
2) Skilled labour who were economically pressured by EU migration
3) Alt Righters who wanted to see Europe burn
4) Apathetic majority youth who didn’t really understand the EU and did not bother to turn up to the polls
5) A strong youth minority who were absolutely supportive of EU membership
6) Middle income people who didn’t want to push the boat and voted to stay in
7) Welfare class who wanted to just punish the government and voted to leave
So many factors in what actually happened.
As Hyperborean has pointed out, the victory could be short lived. Unfortunately the Johnson cabinet is filled with committed globalists who still want to keep the global steam train running by inviting millions of non-EU migrants in to fill the void caused by the EU migrants leaving.
Unlike Trump who is a true Populist, Johnson is nothing of the sort. Yet I am starting to see the signs of people in the UK truly getting fed up with the status quo of mass immigration and it’s not just the whites but also the third generation non-white population.
I think that after Brexit, if nothing changes within the foreseeable future, the UK is going to continue down the path of more Populism until whoever takes the reigns of power truly takes a hard national economic stance which benefits the local population.
Actually Lukashenko has already beat you to it and has invited Russian troops in to help what he perceives as a “foreign attempt” to create instability in Belarus. From what I read, Putin is still weighing up the options.
We have to remember though that Putin also has problems with his own domestic liberal youth to contend with. Should he outright try to annex Belarus and it leads to more sanctions, I think there could be major protests throughout Russia. Putin realises this which is why he is weighing the options very carefully.
Protesters are "unrepresentative masses" as they are including disproportionate numbers of young people (age 20-35). Many interviews with protesters I saw, in which they say they want to join Europe, and protests can shout:https://vimeo.com/447932628 Population pyramid of Belarus, are mostly old people, and we can believe most of the country want to integrate with Russia. Belarus is a very aging society, which should support political stability, and reduce the scale of protests. But among the young people in the demographic age 20-30 (which is only 11% of the country), then the results of polls are the other way round, and the majority of this age-group support Europe, and want to join the EU. This 11% of the population of Belarus, who were born in the 1990s, are also demographic who disproportionately have energy to go to streets and protest, as well as the nationalists. So this is likely why the pro-Lukashenko rally was pathetic, and needed to import people into Minsk.
opposition protesters in Belarus – the masses of people out on the streets because they have issues with electoral fraud, economic stagnation, and/or
Lukashenko has been a relatively competent and moderate leader overall - and the country has developed as well as probably can expected considering their geographical situation. He likely still has support of the country's old people, who are the majority of the country's population, and may be the wiser part - but they don't have energy for street protests. In Lukashenko supporters' rally were mostly such old people. And they wildly supported Russia when the crowd was asked.
Lukashenko having overstayed his welcome
Yes this is my concern too Dmitry. It is always about the bloody EU. To be honest, I do wonder if the youth really do care about their country anymore or if they really do care about themselves….I mean, the EU continues to fill up with more Islamic migrants each year and the idiots in this video want to join it!? I guess it really is a huge case of selfish “me, me me” individualism over what is the right direction for the country.
You know, if it wasn’t for the EU lovers, I’d actually be sympathetic to the protesters if they promised to genuinely build a patriotic state that remained neutral to both sides. But this huge desire to join with the West is a step too far. But once again, they care about money and the false dreams the EU will give them….
The most wealthy North-West European countries in the EU like UK, Netherlands, etc, are the great financial victims of the EU - it's their money which is partly buying German trains for net recipient countries like Poland or Portugal. So youth which supports so much EU in those countries which are net contributors to the EU, are a bit like spoilt traitors of their parents' tax money. That said, even if you have English standards of living and career prospects - there is some attraction to being able to live so easily in a lot of other developed countries which only EU makes possible.
To be honest, I do wonder if the youth really do care about their country anymore or if they really do care about themselve
This is essentially the problem with countries like Belarus. They are always used to having a “master” tell them what to do. In the past (and even to an extent recently) it was Russia. But the protesters don’t see any hope with Russia and live in the delusion the West will solve all of their problems, hence they are looking for a new boss.
It’s the same case with Ireland. They got fed up of the old boss England but straight away jumped on the train of the new boss Europe when all was said and done. Despite all of that fierce IRA fight back over the decades, they pretty much surrendered on a whim to the EU.
During my discussions with Irishmen over the years, 99 percent of them were heavily in favour of the EU, even downright “patriotic” I would say to the new order, despite the new migrants coming in and the ever so depending erosion of national sovereignty. I’ve even spoke to those who sympathise with the IRA over the years and hold mass hatred towards Britain. Yet when I point out England is not the enemy anymore and it is Brussels and it’s dreams of an EU United society, they all go very quiet or just retort with “down with the British”. It is like they are unable to see it or even down right support it.
I could see Ukraine going the same route if the country is ever fully admitted into the EU (which at the moment seems a distant reality as the people keep voting for it not to take place). As for Belarus, once again, the EU won’t integrate them anytime soon but if the project ever picks up pace there again, make no mistake, Belarus will get absorbed.
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Gerald Goldberg grew up in a Yiddish-speaking Orthodox home. The family were active Irish Republicans, dangerous due to raids by the Black and Tans. His father hung the wedding photo of Prince Edward and Princess Alexandra (later King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra) on the wall, which satisfied a British officer they were loyal to the crown. It was a similar trick they had used in Russia, when hanging photos of the Tsar to avoid harassment by Cossacks.
It’s not just the Belarusians who want “in” with the West but also a large segment of the Russian population as well. I was speaking to a Russian friend of mine just today about what all of these protests are about and he pretty much confirmed that it is all about becoming “like the West.”
He told me that what all of these protestors want is basically what other Europeans have had. The freedom to travel. The freedom to visit other countries without any visas. The freedom to study wherever they want. Plus a nice sum of EU money to boot.
I asked “but what about patriotism and standing up to the U.S?”. He confirmed to me the masses of these people really do not care about that. “We’ve been in a new cold war with the West but compared to the Soviet times, the culture war has been pretty much won. After Putin is going to lead to demands for greater liberalism. It’s inevitable.”
I pushed him on mass immigration. He responded with “once again they do not care. The nationalists in Russia and elsewhere do but the masses are unconcerned with it. It’s all about me, me, me. They think it cannot happen here.”
So it’s looking like the West through TV, propaganda, music etc has pretty much won this round.
I do too. Where da gibs at, honkey?
Plus a nice sum of EU money to boot.
I asked my friend this very same question. What is it going to take to change hearts and minds over there and truly lead to a more patriotic embrace? He told me that it’s going to have to get really ugly in Europe to make people realise that the West isn’t the way to go. In other words, Europe has to essentially collapse or turn into an Afro-Islamic colony. Like he pointed out, when Merkel let in all the refugees, it freaked the Visegrad states out and they went nationalistic. It’ll be the same state of affairs for Russia and the other surrounding countries as, like Karlin has put it quite so aptly, the Soviet Freezer effect is still strong.
As long as the status quo continues and “the dream” lives on, the protestors will keep getting louder and the demand for liberalism greater.
Depends ultimately on the youth in China. If they decide to go democratic and liberal (this usually happens when wealth levels go up), then ultimately we are facing liberalism on a global scale and nothing can be done to stop the beast. If, on the other hand, the Chinese remain as patriotic and nationalistic as ever, then we could see more of a twist in world affairs down the pipeline.
"Cinema for Peace"? How come they have money for that, and what does it have to do with cinema, except for it being probably some kind of fictional production involved?Replies: @Juri, @Hartnell, @Svevlad, @Pop Warner, @RadicalCenter, @Supply and Demand
On Saturday morning, Mr Navalny's medical evacuation flight - paid for by the German NGO Cinema for Peace
I agree when it comes to Western millennials. They are, to use a term, very collectivistic, not really that different from Mao’s Red Guards or the young pioneers. I am very interested in how such a generation came about and what they will be as elders but I think I have a good idea. As elders, they will be like the old Soviet generation, talking fondly about the good old days.
Eastern Millennials however are different. They are, to put it mildly, more conservative then their Western counterparts. However there is still a liberal impetus there, as we saw in the polish elections. The further east you go, the more desire for liberalism starts to grow.
If I’m being honest, I think the Millennials are a lost cause. Although still small in number, I’m noticing that it’s the Zoomers starting to reflect more right wing values and I am presuming generation alpha will start to do the same as time goes on.
See, you hit the nail on the head with this. Society in the West is starting to break down. I’m not saying the majority of Zoomers are going to the right but compared to Millennials, I’ve noticed on twitter quite a decent number of right wing Zoomers. Some sympathise with a basic form of white Identitarism, others are just mainly conservative and complaining about the lack of family values. I was surprised to see yesterday on twitter young women complaining about lack of religious values and how they want to have a trad marriage. All zoomers.
I don’t predict the Zoomers are going fully right wing entirely but the push is going to start back with them and gain momentum due to the simple fact that you can’t go left anymore without turning into a full blown Sodom and Gomorrah.
As for the Millennials, they were too indoctrinated by the education system when times were good and many were helicoptered around by leftie boomer parents who had all the money in the world so they were more concerned about what was happening in the third world then back on the home front. Hence why the Millennials are actually fighting for the system like obedient drones.
In regards to Eastern Europe, it all depends on the generation you grew up in. My experience with Russians told me that those who came of age during the 90s and 2000s had a relatively relaxed education system and the entire country was engulfed in Western culture. As a result, they grew up more liberal and want to emulate the West. However their Zoomers and younger generation is growing up under the ideas of Putinism and I think when they come of age, they will be tilting more towards the right.
Exactly a point very well made. I think this generational divide that I have noticed happening between the West and the East is down to the history of capitalism and communism.
In the West, capitalism remained triumphant until 2008 and the life of the party carried on. However due to a declining economic base and more problems, it is inevitable that the West is going to start to push towards the right and probably start to embrace Caesarism until the ship of state is stable once again. To the youth of the West, the future is not bright anymore and one filled with problems.
The East is different. They came out of communism, embraced caesarism and now want to do what the West has done. They want to have the party life and all the riches that Westerners had access over the successive decades since 1945.
However, the East’s hedonism might become very short lived compared to the West due to the nature of the changing times. Fossil fuels are now starting to become harder to extract and eventually will start to decline in this century. Their birth rates are low. Compared to the West that had a strong industrial economy that produced the middle class boomers, the youth in the East do not have access to this.
In other words, the Eastern youth want to repeat what the Western baby boomers had but are coming to the party way too late. I predict looking at the overall bigger picture a decline in the East and a new crisis period starting around the 2050s. Plus if the West continues to decline (and it will), it’s going to heavily effect the youth and their mindset on how the West is so “cool”.
Young people have an optimism bias and want prosperity. Young Belarusians are not looking at Ukraine and think we need daddy Lukashenka and his corrupt KGB siloviki to keep us safe from the danger of crisis, they look at the Baltics and Poland and see they reached South European levels of prosperity and they want that for themselves.
That’s not something that Luka or even Russia can offer them.
Russia has rockets and dead classic composers, but most normal people don’t give a damn about those. Regular people want euros, work permits in civilized countries, quality consumer products and somebody to occasionally tackle corruption and abuses. And the pozzed European Union can deliver all that.
Romanian GDP/capita rose x20 between 1990-2020 and it shows in everyday life.
I find it funny that western leftists deny my experiences of the poverty of communism and western right wingers deny my experiences of rising prosperity since EU accession. People don’t care about the facts that don’t fit their opinions. Arguments-as-soldiers and all that.
btw, according to all kinds of RF propagandists such thing as soaring and expanding DACIA (or SKODA) production is just some kind of mass hallucination which should not be existing in reality as all evil westerners want to do in former Eastern bloc is to destroy everything and be happy with it, lol :)Belarus with free acess to EU markets potentially is more than capable to emulate Romania with proper Western investment in its manufacturing sector instead of having now just RF market, but still with chronical losses and relying on cheap energy (coming with political strings attached) just to stay afloat.
Romanian GDP/capita rose x20 between 1990-2020 and it shows in everyday life.
I find it funny that western leftists deny my experiences of the poverty of communism and western right wingers deny my experiences of rising prosperity since EU accession.
I see Zoomers moving even further to the left than Millenials. Part of the problem is that the current generation of “nationalists” focuses on appealing to Boomers. This is especially true of Trump, Orban and Kaczynski. This is a conservatism that focuses on rural values, tradition and fear of foreigners. The aging sort of Buchanan or Derbyshire whines that one reads here at Unz. It tends to be a very negative sort of conservatism and it doesn’t resonate emotionally with young people. Western and Eastern European Zoomers would probably respond better to a positive white nationalist message but most of the “nationalists” now in power are not willing to be openly racist because that would alienate the over-60 demographic they rely on. In Zoomer eyes conservatism looks like a dying ideology of old people who are economic losers and who are afraid of their own shadows. Hardly appealing.
At the same time Zoomers are angry, and realize that liberals are hypocrites. Zoomers have also seen how Millennials mostly tried to play ball with the System under Bush and Obama and got steamrolled by it. Unfortunately that leaves the militant left as the most emotionally appealing ideology available. What Zoomers probably want is a new Mussolini – someone who can make conservatism appeal to the young by stealing a lot of the anti-elite rhetoric of the left, providing a postive radical vision of a future built around youth, but combining it with patriotism and ethnic loyalty. That is kind of what Bannon wanted to do, but Trump was not the right vehicle, and neither are the aging ex-nomenklatura elites turned “nationalist” in power in Central and Eastern Europe.
Some hardcore delusion right there. I cant even imagine how hard Mr. Karlin will cope and seethe after the same happens in russia in the coming few years. Until the very final day he will squirm and wiggle: “noooo the protesters are done, putin will destroy them”. LOL
increasingly makes it clearer whom Russia should support... the prospects for the opposition winning any time soon seem to be deteriorating
Personally I don’t think Russia will go fully down the Western road compared to countries such as Belarus and Ukraine. The reason for this is where as Belarus and Ukraine could comfortably fit into Europe, Russia cannot as it is simply too big.
It has more responsibilities to have to consider, such as supporting Siberia. Then there is the whole issue with the Caucasus. It’s simply too diverse and big as a country to join with Europe.
Plus we have to remember that none of these areas actually want to leave Russia. The big breakup happened in 1991. That is not on the cards.
I think there will be changes in Russia after Putin. Mainly of an economical nature. Maybe some liberalisation in some areas. But afterwards, Russia is going to find herself having to find her own place in the world between the West and China.
Who knows? Considering Europe is bracing for more refugees in the near future, debt ridden economics and growing nationalism within the EU, Russia could very well find herself having to take up some mantle of leadership in the future.
But this will be decades down the line. For now, whilst the El Dorado of the West still shines, it’s all going to be about the West.
The great irony in all of this is the fact that the EU does not want Belarus. Apart from some half hearted supportive comments to the protestors (and new poster girl Tikhanovskaya) there remains very little enthusiasm for pushing ahead with regime change in Belarus.
The reason for this? The EU simply does not want to pay for Belarus. It is that simple. The billions of Euros along with a huge Belarusian migrant surge is not what the EU wants right now. They can’t even support their own member States right now such as Italy so why take on another huge burden? Its the same story with the Ukraine. The EU simply does not want these countries in the club.
Which means only Russia is willing to pay the bill at the end of it. I think that as time goes on, hopefully the pro-Western idiots realise this simple fact and actually try to do something more beneficial such coming to the realisation they need to build their own country up without relying on mother Merkel and friends to give them free money.
What is happening in America reminds me of South Africa in 1994. Trump is basically an American version of Terreblanche and his MAGA followers are the equivalent of all those Conservative Party /AWB people. They made a huge noise, they protested and even smashed into the world trade centre. In the end however, it was mainstream white South Africa who voted to allow for multiracial elections.
Now this itself is an interesting phenomenon and bodes well for the future of America. Those who voted in South Africa genuinely believed it was going to work. The younger generation of that time became strong anti racists and heavily critical of apartheid.
Now fast forward to 2020 and any white South Africans I speak to, particularly the young, all tell me the same story. The ANC want to kick whites out of South Africa, how bad it is there, Julius Malema, etc etc. A far cry from 1994.
Now this gets me thinking and America is on the same path. Right now, most people are sitting quietly, thinking everything will just be OK. Maybe they have a point. Anti racism, etc. Fast forward to 2050 and when the crime is bad in America, whites are the minority and it seems horrible, what will they do? Flee of course to Eastern Europe! Telling everyone how bad it is.
It is like a cycle and honestly at this point, I just cannot see America being a good place to live in 30 years time.
It’s too late in the day for the Russian youth. They are completely immersed in Western propaganda. Same in Belarus. The sub cultures that have long since died out in the West (Goths for example) are still full rage in the motherland. If I’m honest, the milennials of Russia want to be Western. If you dare even try to censor this or forbid it, they will riot about that taking away their freedoms.
They want to be, like all of Eastern Europe (indeed like much of the world, even China) the West of the 1980s and 1990s, i.e. the last peak of "the normal West". And this is a completely reasonable desire, to live as if in the normal West of the 20th century, but with modern tech.What should be promoted is relentless pointing out that the West is no longer the normal West of the 20th century, and if someone wants to recreate a modern local version of the life as shown in Back to the Future or Alf (or Friends or T.J Hooker), this can only happen in spite of the efforts of the current abrnomal West, not through working for it. Working for it can only help quickly poison and kill any fragile shoots of a growing normal life.Replies: @Sinotibetan
It’s too late in the day for the Russian youth. They are completely immersed in Western propaganda. Same in Belarus. The sub cultures that have long since died out in the West (Goths for example) are still full rage in the motherland. If I’m honest, the milennials of Russia want to be Western. If you dare even try to censor this or forbid it, they will riot about that taking away their freedoms.
Strong endorse. If Russia allows info/cultural asymmetry like this, it's only a matter of a generation or two before Moscow gets a Rainbow Revo - and one more hope for a sane multipolar world dies.
Russian youth gets more of its news from the Internet & since 2018, they have been increasingly subverted by Western propaganda and is observable in electoral and polling trends since the 2018 Presidential elections. This is in stark contrast to China, where young people are – if anything – more supportive of the CPC against Western subversion.
The rainbow revolution is inevitable unless two conditions is met to truly make Russians realise that the West has lost the plot entirely. Western Europe needs to turn Islamic and the quality of life plummets, causing a Western exodus into Eastern European territories.
If this happens, all bets are off and Russia will realise what madness the West created. If on the other hand the West does not implode, the quality of life remains good despite some migrant troubles, then emulation is a real possibility.
Do many in the Russian sphere study Western neo-Marxism and where globohomo comes from? I've tried to explain some basic elements of things like trans and queer theory to Belarusians I know, these are people in their mid-late 30s but very educated and with some Western orientation and experience due to their professions, the response to 'trans' was literally 'run away from that'.
If this happens, all bets are off and Russia will realise what madness the West created. If on the other hand the West does not implode, the quality of life remains good despite some migrant troubles, then emulation is a real possibility.
The problem is, all of this mainly third world immigration is not improving the quality of life. Instead it is leading to mass ghettoisation along with a heavy increase in violent crimes. When the white population does get to 40%, I expect the U. S at this point to really start to resemble Brazil and South Africa. I don’t think many of those white people are going to want to stick around and will vote with their feet.
Correct. It will make things more crowded, noisy, and "exotic" in a way that natives didn't ask for. Wages for the working class will go down.
The problem is, all of this mainly third world immigration is not improving the quality of life.
Not really. Places like LA or Compton have gotten safer as a result of the Mexican immigration. El Paso is the safest large US city.
Instead it is leading to mass ghettoisation along with a heavy increase in violent crimes.
Our non-white people are going to be primarily Latin American Mestizos, who are very different from non-Whites in Brazil or South Africa. They will mix with our working class, make it darker and noisier, and tacos will become as "American" as pizza and hamburgers (they are already halfway there). The unfortunate Blacks will be pushed into the fringes. Upper class Whites and Asians will remain in charge. There will be more than enough of them to keep industries and technology globally competitive. Not an ideal future, but not an apocalypse either.
When the white population does get to 40%, I expect the U. S at this point to really start to resemble Brazil and South Africa.
That maybe the case but somehow I can’t see the Chinese youth wanting to demographically swamp themselves as is the case with the West. There might be more progressive politics in China eventually settling for better treatment of its ethnic minority populations and more freedom of speech. But I don’t see it going absolutely crazy.
I’ve always said that in 30 years from now, when the cities of the West start to Islamise, the quality of life starts to deteriote and it jusg simply is not safe to raise a family anymore, many Western Europeans will start to migrate en maase to Eastern European countries. Will be great for places like Ukraine and Belarus that could do with the investment and need a population boom. What Hitler failed to achieve for the Germans the Muslims have succeeded in doing.
France’s Macron details plan targeting Islamist ‘separatism’
learn as much or even more from modern day China,
Good try by Macron but I think this is a lost cause. Generally I think Western Europe has too many Muslims (and Africans), and these populations are growing, to stem the tide of either ultimate subsumation or ethnic wars. These 2 groups are nearly(if not absolutely) non-intregable without the extinction of the host nations’ ethno-culture. To me, the future of Western Europe is bleak and can be, once these nations collapse, used as examples to explicitly demonstrate the failure of ideological globohomomulticulturalism preached by Western European elites like Macron and his ilks.
True Islam =’Islamism’. The Islamic faith is holistic in an adherent’s way of life. Islam has its own laws(Sharia) and in reality is a theocracy, it is religion and politics, never religion alone . One cannot argue for an Islam with no total political power.
If Western Europe wanted migrants from Muslim countries, then they should have only allowed in those who renounced Islam because Islam is always political and is totally incompatible with Western ideas of secularism.
Good luck to Macron in his lost cause. The West fails because they brought down Christendom as a religious-ideological bulwark against Islam and left their populations directionless with secularism. Their elites failed to realize that the common folk needs something to adhere to and Christendom was that tool. Secularism is recipe to disaster.. Especially one that promotes globohomomulticulti.
I agree with Hartnell that it is indeed too late to ‘save’ Russian youth from the clutches of the West, if we indeed believe the polls mentioned by AK in his many posts. Censoring Facebook and Twitter will push them even more into the embrace of globohomomulticulti West because it will ‘confirm’ (in their eyes at least) Western media assertions that the Russian Govt is anti-freedom and a dictatorship. I used to hope that Russia would be the last bastion in Europe standing against globohomomulticulti but if Russian youths are that brainwashed, then there is no hope except a near future European Union implosion due to their multicultural agenda with ensuing poverty and white slavery by Muslim and African immigrant overlords, similar to that envisaged by Hartnell. If the EU remains successful in the near future, it will spell doom for Russia. It is the end of indigenous Europeans. It is a depressing thought but nothing can be done if Russian and European youths themselves in the majority hate their own identities and vote for a future of no more indigenous Europeans.
I am of Chinese descent from southeast Asia but admire the different European cultures, too bad all these are inevitable.
I think (and hope) China will not follow the path of Russia. Perhaps being non-white is one of the factors that helps insulate Chinese youth from full blown Western propaganda. Russian youth identifies with Western white youth (apparent) material wealth and ‘freedoms’. Perceived Western white racism towards Asians partially insulates Chinese youth from Western internet propaganda and perhaps helps the CPC to inculcate nationalism for the Motherland.
This conversation has actually gotten me thinking about the future, liberalism, wealth creation and I have noticed a rather interesting cycle that does seem to constantly repeat itself throughout history and is actually relevant to our times. Allow me to explain.
When a society is first formed, it always starts out as very poor and Conservative. Eventually the society starts to grow, becoming more wealthy and Liberal with each passing generation until eventually it starts to decline and collapse.
In some cases, this collapse is facilitated by a more advanced power taking over a declining Liberal society such as the case of Ancient Rome taking over Ancient Greece, the latter being described as being nothing more then dancers and artists. The Assyrians conquering Ancient Israel comes to mind also.
In other cases, it is a large underperforming population that takes over and starts to form a new dark age. The Germanic tribes invading Rome, the current migrant crisis in Europe, these are examples of this phenomenon.
Now this is where it gets interesting. The survivor populations that eventually become the minority. What usually happens is that the once dominant population always becomes a Conservative minority. Some eventually die out and intermingle if the dominating tribe is similar in their outlook. Others become more inward and bent on survival at all costs.
We can see this phenomenon taking shape with the Jews, the Greeks, the Armenians, Circassians, Georgians, even the Afrikaners to an extent . All of these groups I would term as part of a wealthy substrata that are intensely patriotic and want to survive.
I think that is the overall trend for white people down the pipeline. They are still majorities, they are still Liberal, but eventually they will probably start to dig their heels in when it becomes obviously clear that they are the minority and the new majority just isn’t quite that friendly.
That said, I still stick by my Eastern European migration hypothesis as people always try to flee tto the friendly neighbouring tribe until there is no where left to run.
As for the Russians, I suspect that this phenomenon will take shape in Russia too but at a much longer interval. Dmitry is right, Russia is just not that economically advanced yet to be worried about SJW concerns. Aside from Moscow and St. Petersburg, the rest of the country is still 50 years behind and very Conservative. Even amongst my discussions with Russian youth, their main focus is economic and they don’t have time to be worrying about saving Africa when they need to develop the rest of the country.