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    Would you read a book written by a guy with this photo as his profile on Amazon? A few months ago, VDARE.com Editor Peter Brimelow asked me if I might review neoconservative #NeverTrumper Jonah Goldberg’s new book,Suicide of the West. I value my free time highly, so I was pretty dubious—Jonah Goldberg, who has been...
  • @Thomm
    Jonah Goldberg married a woman 6 years older than him. No wonder he hates Donald Trump.

    Cuckservatism is just a left-wing ideology.

    White Trashionalism is also a leftist ideology, on account of their left-wing economic views. That is why so many White Trashionalists were Bernie Sanders supporters.

    The only ideology that is truly right-wing is a small government/free market ideology.

    Thanks,
    -Kartik

    Replies: @Jake, @Biff, @Bill, @FvS, @Stripes Duncan

    Racial and ethnic identity are perfectly compatible with libertarianism. In fact, they are absolutely essential. Race is a biological fact, and there are significant differences between Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids, Capoids, Americoids, Australoids and all the various sub-races/hybrids. White nationalist libertarianism is the peak political philosophy for Whites. Choose freedom and prosperity for the White race. There is nothing wrong with loving and supporting your own people.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS


    White nationalist libertarianism is the peak political philosophy for Whites. Choose freedom and prosperity for the White race.
     
    Maybe, but no such group actually exists.

    The White Trashionalists of today are just economic leftists who want to mooch off of successful whites. They are invariably underachievers and ne'er do wells. That is why their preferred candidate was Bernie Sanders.
  • @anon
    By devoting a whole article to this RINOtard you are basically promoting him.

    Jonah Goldberg is The Economist type of "Classical Liberal". They shill endlessly for individual liberty which means anyone should be able to live anywhere he wishes, as such nation states and borders are a hindrance to individual liberty and should be done away with. The Economist has never met an immigrant they didn't like. To them all immigrants are a boon to their host nations, regardless of aptitude, attitude, criminal history, the more the better, anyone who says otherwise is just a racist.

    Yet at the same time these 'tards contradict themselves by always egging for the US to be the world police and bomb any country they don't like a.k.a. Israel's enemies (Syria, Iraq, Iran) or any country that stands in the way of their Jew World Order like Russia.

    If there is no nation state, how are governments elected? Who elects that government and what is its jurisdiction if there are no borders?

    Like multiculturalism and open borders, "classical liberalism" is a completely FAILED concept and classical liberals are a bunch of idiots that no one should take seriously, like all other liberals.

    Replies: @anon, @FvS

    Free enterprise, civil liberties, and non-interventionism within a racial or ethnic nationalist framework. I can think of no better system.

  • A Confidential Note to Various "Alt-Right" People and Others Dated: August 21, 2017 I've been very dismayed by the recent "political purge" being conducted by some of the largest Internet companies, in which numerous controversial websites of the "Alt Right" have suddenly been "disappeared," and in which all sorts of basic Internet services such as...
  • 1. With regard to the Mestizo crime debate, it is my opinion that others have successfully challenged your position. Yet, you continue to double down for some reason. Mestizo crime rates in the U.S. are typically 2-3 times higher than white rates. It wouldn’t be a slight on you to admit that you were wrong, it happens to everyone. You have done great work elsewhere, especially with creating this site which allows us to discuss such things. However, your error has, to some degree, given fuel to the anti-white forces of the world. Unfortunately, many of the following links can’t be accessed any longer.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/hispanic-crime-a-guide-to-the-debate/

    2. All white peoples around the world are threatened by simple biological extinction due to loss of homelands where we can securely live and breed, competition from non-white invaders, hybridization with non-whites, and outright predation by non-whites. Does anyone in their right mind think that Japan would be better off if 40% of its population was Mestizo? For all the talk about Jews and Blacks, the Mestizo invasion is by far the most immediate threat to white demographics in this country. That you seem to deliberately minimize this threat is very disconcerting. You may have some good Mestizo friends or maybe a Mestizo partner, but that can’t bias your work.

    3. Aside from crime, Mestizos have lower IQs (or at least score far lower than whites on SATs, ACTs, PISA, etc.), vote Democrat in high percentages, and consume a disproportionate amount of welfare.

    https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/hispanics-a-statistical-portrait/
    https://www.amren.com/features/2015/10/welfare-whos-on-it-whos-not/
    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/29/hispanic-immigration-and-the-demographic-decline-of-america/

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @FvS

    Of course Ron is wrong. Hell, the Feds even blur the issue of who is white to hide the problem.

    I'm sure that Ron knows far more about statistics than I do, but how do you have reliable stats for hispanic males when nobody knows how many are in the nation, or can reliably document who they are? White males are easily tracked and documented.

    I don't know a thing about Silicon Valley, but I have never seen a neighborhood that didn't decline significantly after hispanics took over from whites. Either way, why does Ron support demographic and cultural change? What's wrong with allowing whites to keep their culture, nation and demographics? Immigrants are not Americans, and I don't have to hate them or wish them harm to say that they belong elsewhere.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "All white peoples around the world are threatened by simple biological extinction due to loss of homelands where we can securely live and breed, competition from non-white invaders."

    This statement is not even remotely true. White people are still having children. and there is no systematic effort on the part of a government that calls for open season this race. Moreover, whites have not experiencing a "loss of homelands".

  • Here are some links that challenge Unz’s position on mestizo crime. Keep in mind that the government data is opaque in many cases when it comes to who is white or not. This is done purposefully to hide the issue. Another point is that Asians generally have lower crime rates than whites, but this does not mean it would be a good thing for whites in the U.S. to be displaced by Asians.

    All white peoples around the world are threatened by simple biological extinction due to loss of homelands where we can securely live and breed, competition from non-white invaders, hybridization with non-whites, and outright predation by non-whites. Whites are decreasing as a precentage of the total population in almost all of their countries. Only a few Eastern European countries have made an effort to preserve their people. Yes, whites are still having children, but you can’t outbreed mass immigration, especially when the immigrants have higher birthrates. Not to mention the government welfare services that subsidize their breeding…

    Amren

    https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/hispanics-a-statistical-portrait/

    Alt-Hype

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/29/hispanic-immigration-and-the-demographic-decline-of-america/

    Jason Richwine

    http://www.aei.org/publication/model-minority/
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100430105702/http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/more-on-hispanics-and-crime/
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100723045347/http://blog.american.com/?p=11109
    https://web.archive.org/web/20101206202419/http://blog.american.com/?p=11237

    Mathew Roberts and Steve Burton

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120718060745/http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2010/02/22/unzism-a-dangerous-doctrine/

    Steve Burton

    http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2010/03/reply_to_unz.html
    http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2010/03/unz_again_1.html

    Ed Rubenstein

    https://vdare.com/articles/national-data-ron-unz-vanishes-hispanic-criminality-not

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @FvS


    Here are some links that challenge Unz’s position on mestizo crime.
     
    Actually, nearly all your links are from around the time that I originally published my 2010 Hispanic Crime article, and I responded to all of them in considerable detail, with some of the critical pieces being quite substantive and others generally worthless. All of those, along with my responses, are already listed and linked in my "Guide to the Debate" column, though since one of the websites has since disappeared, thanks for locating the corresponding Archive.org links:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/hispanic-crime-a-guide-to-the-debate/

    In my own very considered opinion, the whole issue was settled many years ago, and my initial findings were proven almost completely correct, while being further backed by all the more recent data. However, I'll take a quick look at the one or two new pieces you noted.
  • @bucky
    @trav777

    Hispanic societies have their flaws, but they can be substantially improved. Many of the problems stem from Catholicism. As has been alluded many times here, the idea is to displace the black underclass with a Hispanic working class.

    Make no mistake: the primary problem in America are blacks. Blacks commit the majority of the crime, much more than Hispanics. They are often used as foot soldiers for the culture warriors in the academy--how many times did you hear arguments comparing gay marriage to interracial marriage? Their music is not aesthetically appealing, and neither is their culture. Hispanics are far superior and preferable all around.

    Replies: @FvS, @anon

    Blacks are worse than mestizos, but the black population isn’t increasing like the mestizo population is. Mestizos are bad enough, and they are the greater threat to white demographics. The criminals in their home countries are comparable in savagery to ISIS. Their music is not appealing (those trumpets should be used as torture) and neither is their culture of corruption and mediocrity.

  • What do you make of these?

    [MORE]

    https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p00.pdf

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p12tar9112.pdf

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p13.pdf

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p14.pdf

    Also, Eric Rasmusen wrote a comment on your “Race and Crime in America” article. Does he have a point here?

    It would be better to do regressions here than to use correlation coefficients, as I’ll explain. What the correlation coefficient measures is the correlation, which is the extent to which crime goes up when hispanic percentage goes up. High correlation means they move together. But, crucially, it doesn’t mean that changes in the hispanic population explain most crime changes.

    Let me use an example. Suppose that when crime increases in a city, the Armenian population for some reason also increases, though no city has more than 2% Armenian population. Crime would then be perfectly correlated with Armenian population, a correlation coefficient of 1. Yet Armenians can only be a tiny part of crime.

    On the other hand, suppose there are lots of things that cause crime to increase. Suppose in truth that when the black population rises 10%, crime rises by 20%, on average. The correlation coefficient could be tiny, because whereas black population has a big effect on crime, so many other things also affect crime that black population is an unreliable predictor for any one city.

  • @Thomm
    @Ron Unz


    In 1900, Irish were not considered white. In 1950, Italians, Jews, and Poles were not considered white.
     
    a) I stand by this comment, and this is a well-known fact. Italians point this out themselves. How many times do I have to school you about basic US history?

    Corvinus says the same thing. Why? Because it is true.

    BTW, White Nationalists don't consider Jews to be white. Get over it.

    Then again, I am speaking to a 'Republican' who advocates the ultra-socialist policy of a $12 minimum wage.

    b) I am not an Indian. To believe this displays your ignorance and misdirected rage. None of the half-dozen Indian commenters here thinks I am Indian.

    Get a clue, muchacho.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @FvS

    Irish, Italians, Poles, and Jews were definitely considered white because they could become U.S. citizens right from the founding of the country. That doesn’t mean all whites are equal. For example, Southern Italian (specifically Sicilian) involvement in organized crime did nothing to enhance their reputation. However, the categorization as Jews as white was probably one of the worst mistakes in U.S. history, along with the African slave trade and the ongoing “immigration” fiasco with Central America.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS

    There is a distinction between what the Govt. considered eligible for citizenship and voting, and what was socially and culturally believed.

    From Wikipedia :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#European_Americans

    In certain parts of the South during the Jim Crow era, Southern Italians "occupied a racial middle ground within the otherwise unforgiving, binary caste system of white-over-black." Though Italians were viewed as white for purposes of naturalization and voting, their social standing was that they represented a "problem at best." Their racial status was impacted by their appearance and that they did not "act" white, engaging in manual labor ordinarily reserved for blacks. The trial of nineteen Italian immigrants for the murder of New Orleans police chief David Hennessy in 1890, which ended in the lynching of eleven of them by a white vigilante group, sparked debate in the press over Italians supposed racial characteristics. Italians continued to occupy a "middle ground in the racial order" through the 1920s.[82]:55–62
     


    More recent Finns were on several occasions "racially" discriminated against[76] and not seen as white, but "Asian". The reasons for this were the arguments and theories about the Finns originally being of Mongolian instead of native European origin due to the Finnish language belonging to the Uralic and not the Indo-European language family.[77]
     
    Again, this is from Wikipedia. I wouldn't put it past Runzie Baby to make a sweeping condemnation of all of Wikipedia based on it containing facts that he is in denial of.
  • @Ron Unz
    @Roberto D'Aubuisson


    What’s worse is that you know this, and are just being dishonest...In other words, you are not just wrong, you are being dishonest...But, just as you accuse those on the Right of being dishonest for political purposes, you surely are being dishonest for your own political purposes.
     
    The agitated commenters endlessly accusing me of dishonesty are really making themselves look ridiculous. All I've done is reasonably analyze the official data. If you don't like the official data, well, just make up your own numbers, and claim that God told them to you.

    Isn't your handle the name of one of Latin America's most notorious death-squad leaders, who supposedly assassinated the local Catholic archbishop and ordered the rape and murder of all those American nuns? Is that the sort of handle which would be selected by a dispassionate critic of my analytical framework for estimating relative crime rates?

    Further, on a personal note (yeah, I’m sure you’ll love that), as a prosecutor in Los Angeles, I can tell you that it is rare for me to have a defendant who does not have a Spanish surname.
     
    Well, maybe you are and maybe you aren't. As for me, I haven't lived in LA for around 35 years, and my knowledge largely comes from the public datasets. Since you claim to be part of the local criminal justice system, if the data is all fraudulent, then people like you are to blame.

    Moreover, ask any cop here, and they’ll tell you the same. LA County is only 1/2 Hispanic. Are you really asserting that the 16-25 year-old male population of LA County is 90% Hispanic.
     
    Let's think things through a bit. LA County is about 50% Hispanic, 26% white, and 15% Asian. Everyone knows Asians have unusually low crime rates, and the overwhelming majority of CA whites are older and past their high-crime years. Naturally, I used the Census age-distribution for LA when I did my calculations back in 2010, but I'm not going dig them out again just because some Latin American death-squad leader insults me. However, it wouldn't surprise me if while the overall H/W LA ratio is just 2-to-1, the ratio among crime-age males is more like 4-to-1. In support of this estimate, the H/W ratio at LAUSD is 7-to-1 (I do realize that many whites probably attend private schools).

    Here's something else to consider. I think there aren't many blue-collar/working-class whites left in LA---over the last couple of generations they've been pushed out by immigrant job-competition. And obviously, youngish males from blue-collar families commit far more street crimes than those from affluent families such as the ones living in Bel Air or Beverly Hills.

    Just based on these sorts of simple demographic factors, I'd have expected the H/W crime ratio in LA to be something like 7 or 8-to-1, along with very few Asians. The only real surprise is your apparent claim that LA's 10% black population commits almost no street crime. Maybe you're lying, or maybe all the crime-age black males are already dead or in prison.

    Replies: @Talha, @Hippopotamusdrome, @FvS

    What do you make of the data I posted at comment #1017?

    Faulk says:

    Happily, the US incarceration data is better than its arrest data. The DOJ does a good job differentiating Whites and Hispanics in its prisoner population reports. As can be seen below, said report not only show that Hispanics have a higher crime rate than Whites, but show that this remains true even when only comparing young males of each ethnicity, thus falsifying the myth that Hispanic crime rates are caused by ethnic differences in median age and/or sex ratio..

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/29/hispanic-immigration-and-the-demographic-decline-of-america/

    Also, did that other commenter have a point about regressions being more useful than correlation coefficients in that case?

  • So there’s going to be at least a brief government shutdown over the Democrats’ refusal to fund President Trump’s Wall. Good. I cheered on the Wall when Trump put it at the front of his campaign in 2016. And of course we should have a secure barrier to separate us from the semi-barbarous countries to...
  • @Ron Johnson
    No, no, no! All wrong headed.
    Free immigration is a boon to countries...as long as it is not subsidized. Every immigrant arrives with two hands and a mouth. They produce and they consume. They help with the division of labor and they make us all richer.

    But the key is "not subsidized." If they get free education, free health care, free housing, free food, etc., then their contributions to the welfare of the country are muted or reversed. Indeed, the existence of free stuff encourages those who hope to someday take advantage of the free stuff (even though illegals use fewer government services, on average, than they pay in taxes, there are productive and unproductive individuals and groups within the illegal immigrant community) and will likely join the chorus for more socialism.

    We should not fear or condemn people who come here to work and support themselves and their families. They are helping us all live better. But what about the illegal alien consumers of tax money? Left unchecked, they will grow and put communities into bankruptcy. How do we keep them out? This is simple and it will work 100% without costing us a single dime: stop giving them free stuff.

    The contrary rejoinder is that we can't keep them from using OUR free stuff (like public schools, and government financed health care) because they would produce fake documents or find loopholes in the laws. This is true. No socialist system has ever found a way to prevent the ineligible from getting benefits they were not entitled to, due to fraud and chicanery. If not checked, it leads to bankruptcy. The solution is to eliminate socialism for EVERYBODY. Then the 'problem' of immigration goes away overnight...if you don't work or are not voluntarily supported by someone who does, then you don't eat, have a home, buy food, etc.

    But Americans will NOT give up their socialism. Too many of them like their free stuff. To prevent the ineligible immigrants from conniving a way to get free stuff too, we have to resort to expensive, invasive,and even violent measures. Walls, E-Verify, ICE raids. In short, we need to become a police state.

    So there is your choice. Open immigration and no free stuff, or socialism and a police state. You choose.

    Replies: @FvS

    So there is your choice. Open immigration and no free stuff, or socialism and a police state. You choose.

    Either we drastically restrict immigration or there will be more socialism, more “free” stuff, and a bigger police state to deal with the increase in crime and racial tension.


    • Replies: @APilgrim
    @FvS

    False Dichotomy.

    There are usually an infinity of choices, other than the 'only 2 alternatives'.

  • A Confidential Note to Various "Alt-Right" People and Others Dated: August 21, 2017 I've been very dismayed by the recent "political purge" being conducted by some of the largest Internet companies, in which numerous controversial websites of the "Alt Right" have suddenly been "disappeared," and in which all sorts of basic Internet services such as...
  • @Jonathan Revusky
    @gT


    Geokat62 is using the old trick of putting a little lie into a bundle of truth.
     
    I've had various run-ins with the Geokat62 entity. I am convinced that this is a professional disinfo agent. A lot of these people have, as a big part of their shtick, this thing of presenting themselves as strongly anti-Zionists. That jerkoff "OilcanFloyd" is another case in point.

    This constellation of "angry white man" right-wing Islamophobe sites that the Zionists control (Breitbart etc.) is pushing this "white genocide in South Africa" narrative and we see this Geokat entity pushing that here.

    In some private email, some months ago, this topic came up and I was flabbergasted. I am not a left-wing ideologue who worships Nelson Mandela and all that and I don't idealize the ANC government in South Africa, but the notion that they are planning to "genocide" all the white people in South Africa just strikes me as total wingnut stuff. I tried to investigate the question somewhat, trying to narrow in on some information sources that struck me as basically honest.

    I came to the following conclusion:

    The "upcoming white genocide" thing is a synthetic narrative being put out by the same people who put out all the Islamophobic stuff. (You know who...) It's not to say there are no problems in SA but the notion that the blacks are fixin' to do an Adolf H on the whites (for real this time!) is just nonsense. It is completely outside the range of anything that is reasonable to believe.

    My best guess is that the narrative is a sort of Zionist narrative by analogy. If you believe that the darkie savages are planning to exterminate all the white people in South Africa, you'll extend the analogy to Palestine and think the Arabs are planning to kill all the Jews. And then you support the increasingly savage policies of the Israeli state, thinking they have no other choice.

    Something like that... In many cases, I don't think it's that subtle even. If you were to look at the writings of Ilana Mercer on this very site...

    Replies: @FvS, @geokat62, @JLK

    And that is what makes whites different from everyone else and what makes them uniquely vulnerable. Non-white immigrants don’t have to justify their conquest of the United States. They don’t have to explain why they want their numbers to grow at our expense. They know instinctively that it’s good for them, and that is all they need to know.

    The same is true for Third-World immigrants to Europe. They don’t have to justify conquest. No, it is Europeans who would have to justify even the most basic steps necessary to assure their survival.

    It should be no more necessary to explain why whites have the right to a future than to explain why it is better to live than to die. But that is the dilemma we face. Slowly, slowly, both in America and in Europe, we are waking up to this dilemma. – Jared Taylor

    As long as whites continue to avoid and deny their own racial identity, at a time when almost every other racial and ethnic category is rediscovering and asserting its own, whites will have no chance to resist their dispossession and their eventual possible physical destruction. Before we can seriously discuss any concrete proposals for preserving our culture and its biological and demographic foundations, we have to address and correct the problem we inflict on ourselves, our own lack of a racial consciousness and the absence of a common will to act in accordance with it. – Sam Francis

    All white peoples around the world are threatened by simple biological extinction due to loss of homelands where we can securely live and breed, competition from non-white invaders, hybridization with non-whites, and outright predation by non-whites. – Greg Johnson

    White displacement, white replacement, white genocide, or whatever you want to call it, is very real. Some people say that Jews are the biggest problem, while others say it’s Muslims. Some people say that blacks are the biggest problem, while others say it’s mestizos/Amerindians. However, these things aren’t mutually exclusive. All nonwhites do not belong in white countries.


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    Ditto for Canada and Australia. Keep in mind that the Europe graphic only takes into consideration Muslims, not included were non-Muslim Africans.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @FvS


    White displacement, white replacement, white genocide, or whatever you want to call it, is very real...others say it’s Muslims.
     
    Islam is not a racial identity; it is completely possible for a society to be fully White and fully Muslim. Ask the people of the Caucasus.

    I met a brother recently on Twitter who was an ex neo-Nazi AtomWaffen fanboi...he dropped that because it was a spiritual dead end. Now he’s looking to get married and start a family. So yeah, he’s doing something practical (as a Muslim) about White replacement.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Alden, @FvS

    , @CanSpeccy
    @FvS


    All nonwhites do not belong in white countries.
     
    And here's why it's game over for the diversity cucks and globalist con-men.

    Replies: @utu

  • @Talha
    @FvS


    White displacement, white replacement, white genocide, or whatever you want to call it, is very real...others say it’s Muslims.
     
    Islam is not a racial identity; it is completely possible for a society to be fully White and fully Muslim. Ask the people of the Caucasus.

    I met a brother recently on Twitter who was an ex neo-Nazi AtomWaffen fanboi...he dropped that because it was a spiritual dead end. Now he’s looking to get married and start a family. So yeah, he’s doing something practical (as a Muslim) about White replacement.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Alden, @FvS

    Islam is not a racial identity; it is completely possible for a society to be fully White and fully Muslim. Ask the people of the Caucasus.

    True, but typically when most people speak of “Muslims” they are referring to nonwhite Muslims. Sort like of like how people often use “Hispanic” when they are referring to nonwhite Hispanics, even though “Hispanic” includes whites. Islam is another Semitic cancer that does not belong in the West, and in my opinion, white Muslims are borderline traitors. The people of the Caucasus would be better off without Islam.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @FvS


    they are referring to nonwhite Muslims
     
    Sure. I guess this will simply take some time.

    in my opinion, white Muslims are borderline traitors
     
    Traitors to what, "Whiteness"? Why do you not like Whites who are raising stable families and having children?

    The people of the Caucasus would be better off without Islam.
     
    I guess so that their TFRs could plummet like all other White people around them.

    Peace.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Okechukwu
    @Thinking


    California might be heading towards Colombia status, but after that it will be Bolivia, and then Venezuela.
     
    Yeah, right. CA is a beacon for the best and brightest of all races from around the world. Were is just white bread it wouldn't be anywhere as successful.

    https://bulloakcapital.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/State-GDP-vs-Countries.jpg

    As you can see, CA compares very favorably to the whitest states in the union (West Virginia, Idaho, Wyoming, North Dakota, Kentucky, etc). As does TX, which is also heavily Latino or Hispanic. If fact these two brownish states financially support the relatively moribund "white states". New York State is also brownish as it is only 65% white. Remove these three states and the United States instantly becomes a second rate power.

    Replies: @LostHopeless, @JLK, @FvS, @notanon

    GDP is a crap statistic, but if you are intent on using it, GDP per capita is better.

    • LOL: JLK
    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    GDP is a crap statistic, but if you are intent on using it, GDP per capita is better.
     
    You sure you wanna go there? California checks in with a GDP per capita of $75,000. How are Idaho and West Virginia doing?

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    GDP is a crap statistic, but if you are intent on using it, GDP per capita is better.
     
    You sure you wanna go there? California checks in with a GDP per capita of $75,000. How are Idaho and West Virginia doing?

    Replies: @FvS

    You sure you wanna go there? California checks in with a GDP per capita of $75,000.

    I commented on the nature of the GDP statistic, nothing more.
    https://mises.org/library/how-gdp-metrics-distort-our-view-economy
    https://mises.org/library/gdp-tool-politics-not-economics

    But since you brought it up, where are you getting the $75,000 statistic for California? I’m showing California at $70,000. North Dakota is higher than California, and Wyoming is right there with them. West Virginia and Idaho rank at the bottom of U.S. states in terms of GDP per capita but are similar to France, Belgium, U.K., New Zealand, Israel, etc. Keep in mind that for a racially diverse state like California, it is possible that one racial group is producing the lion’s share of the wealth. It’s also possible that a relatively small segment of the population produces most of the wealth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_sovereign_states_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    • Replies: @utu
    @FvS

    Where did the success of California come from? Pacific WWII, Korean War and Vietnam War were conducted from California. Aerospace industry and Hollywood because of climate.

    Replies: @David Baker, @MarkinLA

    , @utu
    @FvS

    If the US conducted 50 years of wars against Canada then North Dakota and Maine would be the most developed states in the US.

    Replies: @Okechukwu

    , @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    But since you brought it up, where are you getting the $75,000 statistic for California?
     
    A GDP of $3 trillion dollars divided by 40 million people.

    North Dakota is higher than California, and Wyoming is right there with them.
     
    If North Dakota and Wyoming were a country they would be a top 10 oil and gas producer. Yet they have a combined population of only about 1.4 million people. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but without oil and gas they would join the ranks of West Virginia and Idaho. Unlike racially diverse TX and CA (#1 and #3 US oil producers respectively) which have dynamic and diversified economies, ND and WY are one-trick ponies.

    Keep in mind that for a racially diverse state like California, it is possible that one racial group is producing the lion’s share of the wealth. It’s also possible that a relatively small segment of the population produces most of the wealth.
     
    Well, prove it. It's pretty obvious from the data that all races in CA contribute to the state's economy. We're talking about averages after all. Some are wealthy and some are poor. But the middle class is responsible for most of the output and most of the wealth.

    Replies: @FvS

    , @Wizard of Oz
    @FvS

    Why do all those European countries give their citizens on average a better standard of living than American's? I presume it is down to better K-12 public school education, better public health services, much less money wasted on health care and military expenditure, lower incarceration and homicide rates.....???

    Replies: @anarchyst, @FvS, @Truth

  • @Talha
    @FvS


    they are referring to nonwhite Muslims
     
    Sure. I guess this will simply take some time.

    in my opinion, white Muslims are borderline traitors
     
    Traitors to what, "Whiteness"? Why do you not like Whites who are raising stable families and having children?

    The people of the Caucasus would be better off without Islam.
     
    I guess so that their TFRs could plummet like all other White people around them.

    Peace.

    Replies: @FvS

    Traitors to what, “Whiteness”?

    Western Civilization. Their culture. Their heritage. Their ancestors that died fighting off the Muslim hordes.

    Why do you not like Whites who are raising stable families and having children?

    It’s not worth the cost. White racial consciousness can rise again without Islam. It already is rising without it.

    I guess so that their TFRs could plummet like all other White people around them.

    There are non-Muslim Eastern European countries that have chosen to defend their people. You can’t outbreed mass immigration. And technically, Islam is just as universalist as Christianity in terms of race.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @FvS


    Western Civilization.
     
    They wouldn't have flipped if they didn't consider what Western Civilization has become to be toxic to their own interests and survival.

    Their ancestors that died fighting off the Muslim hordes.
     
    Uh hunh...you mean those ancestors that adopted the other "Semitic cancer" and fought their previous ancestors for being pagan. This kind of stuff happens over time.

    White racial consciousness can rise again without Islam.
     
    "White racial consciousness"? What does that even mean? When has Europe simply considered itself to be some unified "White" continent? Let's be honest; the reason people might even cling to "White racial consciousness" is because many Europeans have already had regional, tribal, clan affiliations so removed out of their identity over centuries, that they have to find something (anything) to replace it. This is what happens when you tout hyper-individualism. Do the Scots still take their clans seriously? They used to.

    The specific racial consciousness being touted now is all based on materialist assumptions - which is fine if that works for you, but the converts I interacted with found it to be an empty, meaningless void. Plus, Islam has never even been against distinct identity down to to the tribal level (in fact, this is what we often get criticized for in the West) - go ask people in Iraq, they can still trace their lineages back to pre-Islamic tribes like Bani Tamim. I can trace mine back to Bani Hashim. How far back can you trace the ancestors you are talking about?

    Religions (ones that are serious) absorb various races/ethnicities into their wider brotherhood because it gives people a bigger purpose - that is how major religions spread. If people in a society are finding more purpose in race/ethnicity than their religion, then you are dealing with a religion on the ropes.

    Look, go ahead and turn your back on God in order to save your people...let's see what He does.


    It already is rising without it.
     
    Agreed - watch that video I posted.

    There are non-Muslim Eastern European countries that have chosen to defend their people.
     
    Yup and their TFRs are still abysmally in the toilet and they still don't know how to get out of the rut.

    Islam is just as universalist as Christianity in terms of race.
     
    Darn right, but when you aren't as susceptible to Zionist propaganda and are having your own babies there is no worry - traditional Muslims certainly don't worry about being outbred. Plus, God takes credit for the differences in human beings, why would we want one mixed up singular race/ethnicity?:
    "And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge." (30:22)

    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is All-Knowing and All-Aware." (49:13)

    Peace.

    Replies: @FvS

    , @dfordoom
    @FvS



    Traitors to what, “Whiteness”?
     
    Western Civilization. Their culture. Their heritage. Their ancestors that died fighting off the Muslim hordes.
     
    You have to be kidding. You think white people give a damn about their heritage or their culture? Western civilisation, as something worth caring about and worth preserving, is gone.
  • @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    But since you brought it up, where are you getting the $75,000 statistic for California?
     
    A GDP of $3 trillion dollars divided by 40 million people.

    North Dakota is higher than California, and Wyoming is right there with them.
     
    If North Dakota and Wyoming were a country they would be a top 10 oil and gas producer. Yet they have a combined population of only about 1.4 million people. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but without oil and gas they would join the ranks of West Virginia and Idaho. Unlike racially diverse TX and CA (#1 and #3 US oil producers respectively) which have dynamic and diversified economies, ND and WY are one-trick ponies.

    Keep in mind that for a racially diverse state like California, it is possible that one racial group is producing the lion’s share of the wealth. It’s also possible that a relatively small segment of the population produces most of the wealth.
     
    Well, prove it. It's pretty obvious from the data that all races in CA contribute to the state's economy. We're talking about averages after all. Some are wealthy and some are poor. But the middle class is responsible for most of the output and most of the wealth.

    Replies: @FvS

    A GDP of $3 trillion dollars divided by 40 million people.

    I think the statistics I posted are more accurate.

    If North Dakota and Wyoming were a country they would be a top 10 oil and gas producer. Yet they have a combined population of only about 1.4 million people. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, but without oil and gas they would join the ranks of West Virginia and Idaho. Unlike racially diverse TX and CA (#1 and #3 US oil producers respectively) which have dynamic and diversified economies, ND and WY are one-trick ponies.

    You can’t just pick and choose what industries not to include. After all, California is a beneficiary of its favorable location. And again, GDP is a trash statistic because it includes government spending. California has serious debt issues.

    Well, prove it.

    I just said it’s a possibility.

    It’s pretty obvious from the data that all races in CA contribute to the state’s economy. We’re talking about averages after all. Some are wealthy and some are poor. But the middle class is responsible for most of the output and most of the wealth.

    They all contribute, but do they contribute equally? That’s not so obvious. It’s perfectly possible that California’s GDP would be even higher with a more homogeneous white population. How are the Hispanics that make up the 40% of California’s population represented in the middle and upper classes?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    I think the statistics I posted are more accurate.
     
    My GDP figure reflects projected 2018 numbers. But you're right, we're in the same ballpark of between $70k-$75k.

    You can’t just pick and choose what industries not to include. After all, California is a beneficiary of its favorable location.
     
    I don't begrudge any state or country for how they make their living. I'm just stating a fact. ND and WY combined produce nearly as much oil as Nigeria, with a population just over a million people. There is virtually nothing else there besides oil and gas. That's why the inevitable bust cycles hit them particularly hard. People flee. Real-estate collapses. New construction ends. Homes are abandoned. Cars and trucks are abandoned on the roads. Bars, restaurants, strip joints and other businesses close, etc.

    GDP is a trash statistic because it includes government spending
     
    CA gives more to the government than it gets back.

    California has serious debt issues.
     
    California isn't even in the top 10 in debt to GDP ratio.

    https://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/state_debt_rank

    And North Dakota is just below California at #15.

    Your budget impact by race graphic is a canard and a laughable one too. The US government keeps no such stats.

    They all contribute, but do they contribute equally? That’s not so obvious.
     
    Of course they contribute equally. Every active member of a community contributes otherwise the community couldn't function. The masters of industry in Silicon Valley rely on a wide and varied assortment of workers without whom they would be absolutely useless. When I walk into my office building I notice all the building staff and engineers milling around without whose contributions I wouldn't be able to sit in my penthouse suite and perform my own role.

    It’s perfectly possible that California’s GDP would be even higher with a more homogeneous white population.
     
    No, it wouldn't have a higher GDP as a homogeneous white state. There's a significant percentage of non-whites in the world who are better and brighter than a significant percentage of whites, and California attracts some of these people. Moreover, there simply aren't enough white STEM graduates to fill the void. And the trend lines point to more and more non-whites filling these roles.

    How are the Hispanics that make up the 40% of California’s population represented in the middle and upper classes?
     
    According to Pew Research Center, 42.3 percent of Latino eligible voters in California make a household income of $75,000 or more. Some are even entering the upper class. I find that in the Los Angeles area, Latinos comprise 7 percent of the top 1 percent of income earners. Many are middle and upper-class pioneers: they are the children of poor or working-class immigrants and some are influencing California’s political present and future by aligning themselves with the interests of the poor and working class.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latino-political-pulse-how-hispanics-have-changed-california-politics-n585481

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @FvS

  • @Talha
    @FvS


    Western Civilization.
     
    They wouldn't have flipped if they didn't consider what Western Civilization has become to be toxic to their own interests and survival.

    Their ancestors that died fighting off the Muslim hordes.
     
    Uh hunh...you mean those ancestors that adopted the other "Semitic cancer" and fought their previous ancestors for being pagan. This kind of stuff happens over time.

    White racial consciousness can rise again without Islam.
     
    "White racial consciousness"? What does that even mean? When has Europe simply considered itself to be some unified "White" continent? Let's be honest; the reason people might even cling to "White racial consciousness" is because many Europeans have already had regional, tribal, clan affiliations so removed out of their identity over centuries, that they have to find something (anything) to replace it. This is what happens when you tout hyper-individualism. Do the Scots still take their clans seriously? They used to.

    The specific racial consciousness being touted now is all based on materialist assumptions - which is fine if that works for you, but the converts I interacted with found it to be an empty, meaningless void. Plus, Islam has never even been against distinct identity down to to the tribal level (in fact, this is what we often get criticized for in the West) - go ask people in Iraq, they can still trace their lineages back to pre-Islamic tribes like Bani Tamim. I can trace mine back to Bani Hashim. How far back can you trace the ancestors you are talking about?

    Religions (ones that are serious) absorb various races/ethnicities into their wider brotherhood because it gives people a bigger purpose - that is how major religions spread. If people in a society are finding more purpose in race/ethnicity than their religion, then you are dealing with a religion on the ropes.

    Look, go ahead and turn your back on God in order to save your people...let's see what He does.


    It already is rising without it.
     
    Agreed - watch that video I posted.

    There are non-Muslim Eastern European countries that have chosen to defend their people.
     
    Yup and their TFRs are still abysmally in the toilet and they still don't know how to get out of the rut.

    Islam is just as universalist as Christianity in terms of race.
     
    Darn right, but when you aren't as susceptible to Zionist propaganda and are having your own babies there is no worry - traditional Muslims certainly don't worry about being outbred. Plus, God takes credit for the differences in human beings, why would we want one mixed up singular race/ethnicity?:
    "And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge." (30:22)

    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is All-Knowing and All-Aware." (49:13)

    Peace.

    Replies: @FvS

    They wouldn’t have flipped if they didn’t consider what Western Civilization has become to be toxic to their own interests and survival.

    The amount of whites that have converted to Islam is infinitesimally small.

    Uh hunh…you mean those ancestors that adopted the other “Semitic cancer” and fought their previous ancestors for being pagan. This kind of stuff happens over time.

    Doesn’t make it a good thing. Nor does it mean that Christianity and Islam are equal.

    “White racial consciousness”? What does that even mean?

    Racial consciousness means racial loyalty. It means viewing your race as an almost extended family and looking out for the interests of your race. All non-white groups instinctively pursue their own interests, and legitimately so. It is only whites who have been taught that it is immoral to take even the most basic steps to ensure their survival.

    When has Europe simply considered itself to be some unified “White” continent? Let’s be honest; the reason people might even cling to “White racial consciousness” is because many Europeans have already had regional, tribal, clan affiliations so removed out of their identity over centuries, that they have to find something (anything) to replace it. This is what happens when you tout hyper-individualism. Do the Scots still take their clans seriously? They used to.

    Ethnicity only takes priority among racially similar peoples. When other races are introduced, race takes priority again. At least, that’s the tendency as I see it. Egalitarianism and science denial are more to blame than individualism (which has to be one of the most misunderstood ideas ever). Thinking Jews are white was another huge mistake.

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    The specific racial consciousness being touted now is all based on materialist assumptions – which is fine if that works for you, but the converts I interacted with found it to be an empty, meaningless void. Plus, Islam has never even been against distinct identity down to to the tribal level (in fact, this is what we often get criticized for in the West) – go ask people in Iraq, they can still trace their lineages back to pre-Islamic tribes like Bani Tamim. I can trace mine back to Bani Hashim. How far back can you trace the ancestors you are talking about?

    I don’t need to know specific names. What’s more important is that they left behind a civilization much superior, in my opinion, to any Islamic or Semitic one. Race is biological fact. “Materialist” assumptions are the only ones proven to exist in this world. Prove to me that your God exists.

    Look, go ahead and turn your back on God in order to save your people…let’s see what He does.

    What is your God doing to help your Muslim brethren in China or Burma?

    Religions (ones that are serious) absorb various races/ethnicities into their wider brotherhood because it gives people a bigger purpose – that is how major religions spread. If people in a society are finding more purpose in race/ethnicity than their religion, then you are dealing with a religion on the ropes.

    More universalist nonsense. How do you think the Jews got so much power? They are extremely loyal to their own. Would you side with an atheist Arab over a Muslim African?

    Yup and their TFRs are still abysmally in the toilet and they still don’t know how to get out of the rut.

    They know how to do it, they just refuse to. It’s not really complicated. Also, the TFR is not the end all and be all, or maybe we should just skip the Islam conversions and start behaving like Sub-Saharan Africans.

    Darn right, but when you aren’t as susceptible to Zionist propaganda and are having your own babies there is no worry – traditional Muslims certainly don’t worry about being outbred.

    All Muslims have going for them is that they’re Jew wise.

    Plus, God takes credit for the differences in human beings, why would we want one mixed up singular race/ethnicity?:

    You may not want it, but you’re not opposed to it. Sorry, I can’t be converted. I love bacon too much.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @FvS


    infinitesimally small.
     
    And growing...these things take time. And the demographics will change since converted Whites tend to have nice sized families; I know plenty White converts and they all have 3-4 kids. And with other Whites checking out and not bothering to have kids...well this is simply mathematics.

    It is only whites who have been taught that it is immoral to take even the most basic steps to ensure their survival.
     
    By who? Certainly not by Islam. As I mentioned, Islam has nothing against looking out for your people even at a tribal level. We recently went over the rules of zakat distribution according to the Hanafi school; it is preferred (by the recommendation of the Prophet [pbuh]) to distribute zakat in one's locality and among one's extended family. There is nothing wrong with loving people of your own background or preferring their company (as marriage partners, friends, etc.) or culture over that of others.It's when you help your people in wrong-doing or oppression or consider yourself to be arrogantly superior to others that is impermissible.

    When other races are introduced, race takes priority again.
     
    Yup - the only reason there is such a thing being touted as "White racial consciousness" is because there are blacks and browns around. It is a reactionary identity.

    I personally think the Alt-Right needs some kind of a spiritual prgoram or methodology, but to each his own.


    Race is biological fact.
     
    I didn't argue otherwise. I'm talking about prioritization.

    Prove to me that your God exists.
     
    Not in the market to; you can have a nice chat with Him about how you thought He was fictional when you meet Him.

    What is your God doing to help your Muslim brethren in China or Burma?
     
    Ah yes, haste. Give it time, one of the Divine Attributes is "As-Saboor"* (The Most Patient). Right now the post-Mao, atheist, ethno-nationalist government of China is being given leash to provide evidence against itself in the public sphere. These things take a while.

    Another factor is that this is a reflection of our failures to live up to our religion; He reserves the right to humiliate us at the hands of others until we fix ourselves. The Muslim world has plenty of failures; immorality, greed, division, etc. What's the Muslim world doing other than simply watching the oppression happen?
    "...Verily Allah does not change a people's condition until they change what is in themselves..." (13:11)

    When we started to get stupid in the past, we also got mauled over by the Mongol hordes and had our lands overrun by European imperial projects for many, many decades. One has to look at the long view of history, eh?


    Would you side with an atheist Arab over a Muslim African?
     
    I'm not an Arab, but yes, I would side with a Muslim African any day as my brother (assuming the Muslim guy didn't commit a crime or something against the atheist guy, in which case I'd side with the atheist guy to get his rights) - doesn't mean I'd invite him to live with me in my house. I totally get you prioritization; racial purity is the primary objective, everything else fits in based on its ability to accommodate that primary goal. This makes sense.

    You can only serve one master.


    It’s not really complicated.
     
    OK - so why haven't high-IQ societies been able to get it back on track - even the Eastern Europeans who are blocking immigration?

    All Muslims have going for them
     
    We like stable families and kids too. We also have transcendental purpose in our lives - that's what these guys converted for. The family and baby thing is simply part of the package.

    You may not want it, but you’re not opposed to it.
     
    Yeah, I'm neither pro-race mixing or anti-race mixing - both positions seem fairly silly to me.

    Sorry, I can’t be converted.
     
    Hey, no sweat, like I mentioned, you "master" slot is already filled - doesn't make a difference to me - it's your (after)life.

    Peace.

    *Note: And also "Al-Muntaqim" (The Avenger)...

    Replies: @Jonathan Revusky, @Anonymous

  • @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    I think the statistics I posted are more accurate.
     
    My GDP figure reflects projected 2018 numbers. But you're right, we're in the same ballpark of between $70k-$75k.

    You can’t just pick and choose what industries not to include. After all, California is a beneficiary of its favorable location.
     
    I don't begrudge any state or country for how they make their living. I'm just stating a fact. ND and WY combined produce nearly as much oil as Nigeria, with a population just over a million people. There is virtually nothing else there besides oil and gas. That's why the inevitable bust cycles hit them particularly hard. People flee. Real-estate collapses. New construction ends. Homes are abandoned. Cars and trucks are abandoned on the roads. Bars, restaurants, strip joints and other businesses close, etc.

    GDP is a trash statistic because it includes government spending
     
    CA gives more to the government than it gets back.

    California has serious debt issues.
     
    California isn't even in the top 10 in debt to GDP ratio.

    https://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/state_debt_rank

    And North Dakota is just below California at #15.

    Your budget impact by race graphic is a canard and a laughable one too. The US government keeps no such stats.

    They all contribute, but do they contribute equally? That’s not so obvious.
     
    Of course they contribute equally. Every active member of a community contributes otherwise the community couldn't function. The masters of industry in Silicon Valley rely on a wide and varied assortment of workers without whom they would be absolutely useless. When I walk into my office building I notice all the building staff and engineers milling around without whose contributions I wouldn't be able to sit in my penthouse suite and perform my own role.

    It’s perfectly possible that California’s GDP would be even higher with a more homogeneous white population.
     
    No, it wouldn't have a higher GDP as a homogeneous white state. There's a significant percentage of non-whites in the world who are better and brighter than a significant percentage of whites, and California attracts some of these people. Moreover, there simply aren't enough white STEM graduates to fill the void. And the trend lines point to more and more non-whites filling these roles.

    How are the Hispanics that make up the 40% of California’s population represented in the middle and upper classes?
     
    According to Pew Research Center, 42.3 percent of Latino eligible voters in California make a household income of $75,000 or more. Some are even entering the upper class. I find that in the Los Angeles area, Latinos comprise 7 percent of the top 1 percent of income earners. Many are middle and upper-class pioneers: they are the children of poor or working-class immigrants and some are influencing California’s political present and future by aligning themselves with the interests of the poor and working class.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latino-political-pulse-how-hispanics-have-changed-california-politics-n585481

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MarkinLA, @FvS

    I don’t begrudge any state or country for how they make their living…Bars, restaurants, strip joints and other businesses close, etc.

    Fair enough.

    CA gives more to the government than it gets back.

    That may be true, but it’s irrelevant to what I said.

    California isn’t even in the top 10 in debt to GDP ratio.
    https://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/state_debt_rank
    And North Dakota is just below California at #15.

    A link for you.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/04/19/the-top-four-reasons-california-is-unsustainable/

    Your budget impact by race graphic is a canard and a laughable one too. The US government keeps no such stats.

    Another link. Includes Hispanics.
    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-cost-of-black-america.html

    Of course they contribute equally….

    Then why aren’t they paid the same? Does an entrepreneur that starts his own business and creates jobs for other people contribute an equal amount to the economy as a field worker picking vegetables?

    No, it wouldn’t have a higher GDP as a homogeneous white state.

    I think it would, given that whites test better than mestizos.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/2015-pisa-mean-scores-in-perspective/
    https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/

    [MORE]

    There’s a significant percentage of non-whites in the world who are better and brighter than a significant percentage of whites, and California attracts some of these people.

    Only the case for some East Asians. Surely, you know how bell curves work. But how exactly are these other countries supposed to improve (thinking of India) if all their best and brightest leave ? Brain drain and all that.

    Moreover, there simply aren’t enough white STEM graduates to fill the void.
    And the trend lines point to more and more non-whites filling these roles.

    Yes there are, but there is also virtue signaling to be had, diversity quotas to fill, and foreign workers to be paid (less). An American corporation’s first loyalty should be to Americans.
    https://www.amren.com/news/2016/08/corporate-greed-and-h-1b-visas/
    https://www.breitbart.com/border/2017/06/27/forgotten-americans-h-1b-complete-treason/
    https://www.breitbart.com/local/2018/07/05/silicon-valley-giants-enjoy-billions-in-government-subsidies/
    https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

    According to Pew Research Center, 42.3 percent of Latino eligible voters in California make a household income of $75,000 or more. Some are even entering the upper class. I find that in the Los Angeles area, Latinos comprise 7 percent of the top 1 percent of income earners. Many are middle and upper-class pioneers: they are the children of poor or working-class immigrants and some are influencing California’s political present and future by aligning themselves with the interests of the poor and working class.

    Looks like they are underrepresented in the middle and upper classes compared to whites, which I think everyone already knew. And if California is so great, why are so many people fleeing the state? Some more links.
    https://mises.org/wire/why-california-has-nations-worst-poverty-rate-1
    https://mises.org/wire/california-illinois-and-new-york-keep-losing-people-other-states

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    A link for you.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/04/19/the-top-four-reasons-california-is-unsustainable/
     

    California is unsustainable? What exactly does that mean? California is going to cease functioning as a viable entity? Maybe in a fantasy world. The only realistic threat to California is some sort of cataclysmic natural disaster like the San Andreas Fault going nuts.

    The regulatory environment in California is no more onerous than that of any other state. It does have state income tax. But those states that don't have income tax like Texas have a suite of creative ways to get your money regardless. Compare property taxes in TX vs CA, for instance. And reduced or shabby services have real monetary and quality of life impacts.


    Another link. Includes Hispanics.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-cost-of-black-america.html
     

    This isn't evidence, it's a white nationalist blog. If you introduced it in a court of law you'd be laughed out of the building. One could easily assert that the cost of white America would encumber every American with millions of dollars in debt. The Wall Street and banking scams alone are worth trillions of dollars in losses.

    Then why aren’t they paid the same?
     
    Some are. There are millionaires and billionaires among blacks and Hispanics.

    Does an entrepreneur that starts his own business and creates jobs for other people contribute an equal amount to the economy as a field worker picking vegetables?
     
    I never made that claim.

    I think it would, given that whites test better than mestizos.
     
    Sure. But how is that relevant?

    Only the case for some East Asians.
     
    Are you suggesting that only East Asians are capable of being smarter than whites? Well the real world doesn't recognize that silly proposition, including the East Asians themselves. Can you identify ONE SINGLE credible East Asian scientist, scholar or academic anywhere in the world who will agree with you that East Asians are innately more intelligent than Africans? Good luck.

    But how exactly are these other countries supposed to improve (thinking of India) if all their best and brightest leave ? Brain drain and all that.
     
    Brain drain doesn't pertain to raw smarts, it pertains to educated professionals. But even with regard to educated professional, there is not a finite supply in India or Africa or anywhere else.

    Yes there are, but there is also virtue signaling to be had, diversity quotas to fill, and foreign workers to be paid (less). An American corporation’s first loyalty should be to Americans.
     
    No, bruh. Americans are majoring in philosophy. Or they're trying to go into investment banking and all these other high profile, high salary occupations. STEM doesn't actually pay well. Research grants are notorious for nickeling and diming grantees. The presumption is that they're in it for the science and not the money. It's actually true that if a PhD wants to make real money, they have to get a real job.

    Foreign STEM workers are not paid less. If they're doing research they're usually paid via a grant. Or they're hired by some private or public sector institution. The terms of employment will stipulate the salary for that position. It makes no difference if the employee is from Boston or from Beijing. The salary is the same.

    Btw, you're linking to Amren and Breitbart? LOL.


    Looks like they are underrepresented in the middle and upper classes compared to whites, which I think everyone already knew.
     
    Just like the Italians and Greeks and Irish before them. These are people whose parents were, in some cases, illegal immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. Adjusted for those factors they're actually out-performing whites to a very large degree.

    And if California is so great, why are so many people fleeing the state?
     
    I don't work for the California tourism bureau. I just thought I'd correct some misconceptions about the state. The state has found its way into white supremacist talking points as evidence of the horrors of immigration. Obviously, white supremacists cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Nonetheless, there are many reasons why people leave the state. Some are afraid of earthquakes. Some are afraid of North Korean nukes. Some leave for the same reason other Americans relocate to the developing world -- because their money goes further there. In some parts of America you can buy a house with acres and acres of land for a fraction of what you'd pay in California. So what? It's a lifestyle choice, not a value judgement.

    Replies: @David Baker, @FvS

  • @Wizard of Oz
    @FvS

    Why do all those European countries give their citizens on average a better standard of living than American's? I presume it is down to better K-12 public school education, better public health services, much less money wasted on health care and military expenditure, lower incarceration and homicide rates.....???

    Replies: @anarchyst, @FvS, @Truth

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @FvS

    It is indeed interesting. Thanks. Given the appalling waste in the US such as its militaristic foreign policy causes and allows, and the costly health care system(s) it leads to the question why the average American is not relatively worse off. I suppose the huge single market with one language is still a big part of it (despite much state based restriction of competition and ease if entry) and the "exorbitant privilege is another. How much of the latter then adds the ability to postpone funding future entitlements? How should one calculate the (large) impact of criminality and incarceration? And so on.

    I note that China and the tiny percentage of miners and other primary producers are looking after Australia well. (And Canada). I trust that our massive immigration will keep up our IQ and enterprise levels..... That way we might just be able to be an outsize Switzerland in 25 years time.

  • @Ron Unz
    @pyrrhus

    I suppose I might as well...


    Ron, I had access to decades of Chicago Police crime statistics..They are consistent. Summary–Whites and Asians commit almost no violent crimes, hispanics are several times as violent, and blacks are many times more violent than hispanics.
     
    For the sake of argument, I'll assume you're being honest and that both your recollection and your information were correct.

    Nationwide, Caribbean Hispanics are a small fraction of the total, but until fairly recently they were the overwhelming majority in Chicago. As I noted in my original Hispanic Crime article, Caribbean Hispanics have far higher crime rates than Mesoamerican Hispanics, perhaps by as much as a factor of two or so. Combine that with the difference in the white/Hispanic age-distribution curves, and your claims seem fairly plausible to me, and not too different from what I noted in my own article, including in various charts.

    However, across the country and especially in the Southwest, Mesoamerican Hispanics are the overwhelming majority, and their crime rates seem to be pretty low.

    (1) The two most heavily Hispanic cities in America are El Paso and Santa Ana, each about 80% Hispanic. They have fairly low crime/homicide rates. The same is true for most of the other heavily or substantially Hispanic cities around the country. If your ideas were correct, how could this be possible?

    (2) Around 50-odd years ago, LA was 70+% white and 10% Hispanic and now it's 50% Hispanic and maybe 25% white. Yet the crime/homicide rates are roughly similar. How would this be possible in your mind?

    (3) A huge wave of immigrant Hispanics moved into neighboring East Palo Alto, which is now overwhelmingly Hispanic. The homicide rate has dropped by something like 97%, and crime/homicide rates are now pretty low. What's your explanation?

    (4) I've calculated 25 years of weighted cross-correlations across all the major cities in America, and they tend to show that the presence of whites and Hispanics have approximately similar impacts upon urban crime rates? What's your theory about why the numbers happened to come out that way?

    I've already made most of these points at considerable length in my articles, which I've repeatedly cited and linked upthread. Maybe you'd benefit from actually reading them.

    It's obviously very, very difficult for people to admit they've been taken in by a hoax or an "urban legend." I'm sure leftists are just as stubborn in refusing to admit that some of their most cherished beliefs are just plain wrong...

    Replies: @FvS, @L.K, @Bliss

    See my comment #1017.

    From
    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/29/hispanic-immigration-and-the-demographic-decline-of-america/

    Many large cities, such as New York and Chicago, and some states, such as California, do record arrest rates in a way that differentiates non Hispanic Whites from Hispanics. The relevant data was compiled in a recent report published by the New Century Foundation. The results show that Hispanics have a much higher crime rate than non-Hispanic Whites.

    The DOJ does a good job differentiating Whites and Hispanics in its prisoner population reports. Said reports not only show that Hispanics have a higher crime rate than Whites, but show that this remains true even when only comparing young males of each ethnicity, thus falsifying the myth that Hispanic crime rates are caused by ethnic differences in median age and/or sex ratio.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @FvS


    See my comment #1017...Many large cities, such as New York and Chicago, and some states, such as California, do record arrest rates in a way that differentiates non Hispanic Whites from Hispanics...The DOJ does a good job differentiating Whites and Hispanics in its prisoner population reports.
     
    (1) For decades, NYC Hispanics have been overwhelmingly Caribbean, so the high arrest figures don't particularly surprise me. Indeed, I emphasized this in the text of my article. Admittedly more Mexicans have recently arrived there, but I very much doubt they have anything like the same crime rates.

    (2) For California, notice the drastic decline in the relative arrest rates of Hispanics just between 2002 and 2013. I think that the 2015 numbers were even lower. When you adjust for age, much of the remaining difference disappears.

    (3) Note the *huge* relative H/W difference between NYC Hispanics and CA Hispanics, which is generally a factor of 2 or more, and even a factor of 5(!) for homicide. This is *exactly* what I was telling you about the difference between Caribbean Hispanics and Mesoamerican Hispanics.

    (4) Your source is entirely correct that racial incarceration statistics are generally very accurate, which is why I rely so heavily upon them in my own analysis. However, it's a HUGE error to include federal prisons, which totally throw off the results. Half of all federal arrests are for immigration violations, and a large fraction of the remainder are non-resident aliens caught drug-smuggling at the border or that sort of thing. After all, almost all ordinary crimes---homicide, robbery, rape, assault, burglary, arson---are prosecuted in state courts and send criminals to state prisons. That's why you need to focus on the state incarceration statistics.

    And when we restrict ourselves to state prisons/jails and adjust for age, Hispanics and whites have *roughly* the same nationwide incarceration rates. This is certainly NOT true in New York or Massachusetts, where the Hispanic rates are 3-4x higher than whites even *after* adjusting for age, which is why I say that Caribbean Hispanics have unusually high crime rates.

    Indeed, as I pointed out, our political and intellectual elites are concentrated in NYC/MA/DC, where most of the Hispanics have always been Caribbean. This is the reason they sometimes quietly believe that Hispanics have high crime rates (though they'd never publicly admit it).

    I discussed all this at considerable length in my original article and also time and again upthread.

    It's obviously important to get good data. But it's also important to be able to *understand* the data and what it's actually telling you.

    As for the very high black crime rates masking the impact of white or Hispanic differences in the correlations, that's absolutely true and I've emphasized it over and over again. The correlation between urban crime rates and the size of the black population is pretty close to unity, among the highest correlations ever found in sociology, so to a reasonable approximation, the *only* factor that influences urban crime rates is the size of the local black population. Several of America's most eminent social scientists were stunned by my findings.

    Offhand, I'd think that same huge masking effect would obviously impact the accuracy of regressions just as much as it would correlations. But since various people are complaining, maybe I'll dig out my old data and see about calculating the regressions as well.

    However, given the time I've now taken to reply to your question and clarify the correct meaning of the data you provided, I think it's only fair that you should actually bother to read both my Hispanic Crime and Race/Crime articles, in which I had already discussed most of these issues at considerable length. If you're just too lazy to do so, maybe you should depart this website and go back to Tweeting out cartoon frogs to all your friends.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz, @MarkinLA, @FvS

  • @Ron Unz
    @FvS


    See my comment #1017...Many large cities, such as New York and Chicago, and some states, such as California, do record arrest rates in a way that differentiates non Hispanic Whites from Hispanics...The DOJ does a good job differentiating Whites and Hispanics in its prisoner population reports.
     
    (1) For decades, NYC Hispanics have been overwhelmingly Caribbean, so the high arrest figures don't particularly surprise me. Indeed, I emphasized this in the text of my article. Admittedly more Mexicans have recently arrived there, but I very much doubt they have anything like the same crime rates.

    (2) For California, notice the drastic decline in the relative arrest rates of Hispanics just between 2002 and 2013. I think that the 2015 numbers were even lower. When you adjust for age, much of the remaining difference disappears.

    (3) Note the *huge* relative H/W difference between NYC Hispanics and CA Hispanics, which is generally a factor of 2 or more, and even a factor of 5(!) for homicide. This is *exactly* what I was telling you about the difference between Caribbean Hispanics and Mesoamerican Hispanics.

    (4) Your source is entirely correct that racial incarceration statistics are generally very accurate, which is why I rely so heavily upon them in my own analysis. However, it's a HUGE error to include federal prisons, which totally throw off the results. Half of all federal arrests are for immigration violations, and a large fraction of the remainder are non-resident aliens caught drug-smuggling at the border or that sort of thing. After all, almost all ordinary crimes---homicide, robbery, rape, assault, burglary, arson---are prosecuted in state courts and send criminals to state prisons. That's why you need to focus on the state incarceration statistics.

    And when we restrict ourselves to state prisons/jails and adjust for age, Hispanics and whites have *roughly* the same nationwide incarceration rates. This is certainly NOT true in New York or Massachusetts, where the Hispanic rates are 3-4x higher than whites even *after* adjusting for age, which is why I say that Caribbean Hispanics have unusually high crime rates.

    Indeed, as I pointed out, our political and intellectual elites are concentrated in NYC/MA/DC, where most of the Hispanics have always been Caribbean. This is the reason they sometimes quietly believe that Hispanics have high crime rates (though they'd never publicly admit it).

    I discussed all this at considerable length in my original article and also time and again upthread.

    It's obviously important to get good data. But it's also important to be able to *understand* the data and what it's actually telling you.

    As for the very high black crime rates masking the impact of white or Hispanic differences in the correlations, that's absolutely true and I've emphasized it over and over again. The correlation between urban crime rates and the size of the black population is pretty close to unity, among the highest correlations ever found in sociology, so to a reasonable approximation, the *only* factor that influences urban crime rates is the size of the local black population. Several of America's most eminent social scientists were stunned by my findings.

    Offhand, I'd think that same huge masking effect would obviously impact the accuracy of regressions just as much as it would correlations. But since various people are complaining, maybe I'll dig out my old data and see about calculating the regressions as well.

    However, given the time I've now taken to reply to your question and clarify the correct meaning of the data you provided, I think it's only fair that you should actually bother to read both my Hispanic Crime and Race/Crime articles, in which I had already discussed most of these issues at considerable length. If you're just too lazy to do so, maybe you should depart this website and go back to Tweeting out cartoon frogs to all your friends.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz, @MarkinLA, @FvS

    1.) I think Burton responded well to most of these points back in the day, especially about leaving out the federal statistics.
    http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2010/03/reply_to_unz.html
    http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2010/03/unz_again_1.html

    2.) A point made by a commenter from the American Conservative that I thought was relevant.

    I think you miss the big picture which is that ANY immigrant involved criminal incident that takes place is a crime that didn’t need to occur. So it’s like “extra crime.” If an illegal immigrant murders a cop…it’s a result of negligence and something that never needed to happen.

    Also the reason why people believe that Hispanics are more likely to commit crimes is from common sense personal experience. Your statistics cite incarceration rates, but most of us who live in or have lived in predominantly Hispanic areas know that it’s the abundance of small time petty criminals that is the real dealbreaker. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve had my bicycle stolen or my car broken into or witnessed all the lame graffiti culture when in these Phoenix neighborhoods. These types of crimes are mostly unreported, but people have the good sense to know their origins, and that’s why attitudes and stereotypes are what they are..

    3.) One problem when dealing with mestizo crime rates and trying to analyze the data based on race is that the racial makeup of mestizos can vary wildly. I would bet that the tendency is, the more European DNA a mestizo or castizo has, the more intelligent and well-behaved they are.

    4.) There is also the issue of how crime prone Central Americans are in their home countries vs. in the U.S. It is possible that the mestizos/Amerindian immigrants to the U.S. aren’t a proper representation of their native populations. Selection bias and all that.

    However, the debate isn’t really about crime rates. It’s whether whites should become a minority in their own country. I say no. You say yes.

  • @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    A link for you.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/04/19/the-top-four-reasons-california-is-unsustainable/
     

    California is unsustainable? What exactly does that mean? California is going to cease functioning as a viable entity? Maybe in a fantasy world. The only realistic threat to California is some sort of cataclysmic natural disaster like the San Andreas Fault going nuts.

    The regulatory environment in California is no more onerous than that of any other state. It does have state income tax. But those states that don't have income tax like Texas have a suite of creative ways to get your money regardless. Compare property taxes in TX vs CA, for instance. And reduced or shabby services have real monetary and quality of life impacts.


    Another link. Includes Hispanics.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-cost-of-black-america.html
     

    This isn't evidence, it's a white nationalist blog. If you introduced it in a court of law you'd be laughed out of the building. One could easily assert that the cost of white America would encumber every American with millions of dollars in debt. The Wall Street and banking scams alone are worth trillions of dollars in losses.

    Then why aren’t they paid the same?
     
    Some are. There are millionaires and billionaires among blacks and Hispanics.

    Does an entrepreneur that starts his own business and creates jobs for other people contribute an equal amount to the economy as a field worker picking vegetables?
     
    I never made that claim.

    I think it would, given that whites test better than mestizos.
     
    Sure. But how is that relevant?

    Only the case for some East Asians.
     
    Are you suggesting that only East Asians are capable of being smarter than whites? Well the real world doesn't recognize that silly proposition, including the East Asians themselves. Can you identify ONE SINGLE credible East Asian scientist, scholar or academic anywhere in the world who will agree with you that East Asians are innately more intelligent than Africans? Good luck.

    But how exactly are these other countries supposed to improve (thinking of India) if all their best and brightest leave ? Brain drain and all that.
     
    Brain drain doesn't pertain to raw smarts, it pertains to educated professionals. But even with regard to educated professional, there is not a finite supply in India or Africa or anywhere else.

    Yes there are, but there is also virtue signaling to be had, diversity quotas to fill, and foreign workers to be paid (less). An American corporation’s first loyalty should be to Americans.
     
    No, bruh. Americans are majoring in philosophy. Or they're trying to go into investment banking and all these other high profile, high salary occupations. STEM doesn't actually pay well. Research grants are notorious for nickeling and diming grantees. The presumption is that they're in it for the science and not the money. It's actually true that if a PhD wants to make real money, they have to get a real job.

    Foreign STEM workers are not paid less. If they're doing research they're usually paid via a grant. Or they're hired by some private or public sector institution. The terms of employment will stipulate the salary for that position. It makes no difference if the employee is from Boston or from Beijing. The salary is the same.

    Btw, you're linking to Amren and Breitbart? LOL.


    Looks like they are underrepresented in the middle and upper classes compared to whites, which I think everyone already knew.
     
    Just like the Italians and Greeks and Irish before them. These are people whose parents were, in some cases, illegal immigrants who came here with virtually nothing. Adjusted for those factors they're actually out-performing whites to a very large degree.

    And if California is so great, why are so many people fleeing the state?
     
    I don't work for the California tourism bureau. I just thought I'd correct some misconceptions about the state. The state has found its way into white supremacist talking points as evidence of the horrors of immigration. Obviously, white supremacists cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Nonetheless, there are many reasons why people leave the state. Some are afraid of earthquakes. Some are afraid of North Korean nukes. Some leave for the same reason other Americans relocate to the developing world -- because their money goes further there. In some parts of America you can buy a house with acres and acres of land for a fraction of what you'd pay in California. So what? It's a lifestyle choice, not a value judgement.

    Replies: @David Baker, @FvS

    California is unsustainable? What exactly does that mean?…Compare property taxes in TX vs CA, for instance. And reduced or shabby services have real monetary and quality of life impacts.

    California ranks last in quality of life. It’s in the article. The other issues are all discussed there too.

    This isn’t evidence, it’s a white nationalist blog. If you introduced it in a court of law you’d be laughed out of the building. One could easily assert that the cost of white America would encumber every American with millions of dollars in debt. The Wall Street and banking scams alone are worth trillions of dollars in losses.

    All the data is linked in the post. Unless you think sites like statisticbrain.com are white nationlist blogs.

    Some are. There are millionaires and billionaires among blacks and Hispanics.

    But not equally represented relative to their populations.

    I never made that claim.

    Yes, you did.

    Are you suggesting that only East Asians are capable of being smarter than whites?

    No, I’m talking averages here. Surely you’ve heard of The Bell Curve?

    Well the real world doesn’t recognize that silly proposition, including the East Asians themselves. Can you identify ONE SINGLE credible East Asian scientist, scholar or academic anywhere in the world who will agree with you that East Asians are innately more intelligent than Africans? Good luck.

    The Chinese aren’t hampered by things like white guilt.
    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/on-the-concept-of-race-in-chinese-biological-anthropology-alive-and-well.pdf
    And they have a word for diversity loving, PC whites.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-21/baizuo-new-derogatory-term-millions-chinese-are-using-describe-americas-white-left-r

    Brain drain doesn’t pertain to raw smarts, it pertains to educated professionals. But even with regard to educated professional, there is not a finite supply in India or Africa or anywhere else.

    If it’s good for the U.S. that they come here, it’s bad for the country in which they left.

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    No, bruh. Americans are majoring in philosophy. Or they’re trying to go into investment banking and all these other high profile, high salary occupations. STEM doesn’t actually pay well. Research grants are notorious for nickeling and diming grantees. The presumption is that they’re in it for the science and not the money. It’s actually true that if a PhD wants to make real money, they have to get a real job.

    Foreign STEM workers are not paid less. If they’re doing research they’re usually paid via a grant. Or they’re hired by some private or public sector institution. The terms of employment will stipulate the salary for that position. It makes no difference if the employee is from Boston or from Beijing. The salary is the same.

    Btw, you’re linking to Amren and Breitbart? LOL.

    Guess you didn’t read the links. As for the sites, if Trump said 2+2=4 would you disagree with him?

    Just like the Italians and Greeks and Irish before them. These are people whose parents were, in some cases, illegal immigrants who came here with virtually nothing.

    Italians, Greeks, and Irish are white. And their home countries are run much better than most of the non-white immigrants’ countries are. Yes, even Greece. The U.S. was founded for White Europeans by White Europeans. It is a white country.

    Adjusted for those factors they’re actually out-performing whites to a very large degree.

    No, they aren’t.

    I don’t work for the California tourism bureau. I just thought I’d correct some misconceptions about the state. The state has found its way into white supremacist talking points as evidence of the horrors of immigration. Obviously, white supremacists cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Nonetheless, there are many reasons why people leave the state. Some are afraid of earthquakes. Some are afraid of North Korean nukes. Some leave for the same reason other Americans relocate to the developing world — because their money goes further there. In some parts of America you can buy a house with acres and acres of land for a fraction of what you’d pay in California. So what? It’s a lifestyle choice, not a value judgement.

    Muh white supremacy. And I’m sure immigration has had nothing to do with why people are leaving. It must be those earthquakes and North Korean nukes.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    California ranks last in quality of life. It’s in the article. The other issues are all discussed there too.
     
    No, California most definitely does not rank last in quality of life. That's merely the opinion of one ultra-rightwing contributor to Forbes. It's based neither on the facts or on reality.

    Here are some alternative opinions:

    Too Bad, Trump — California Is the Nation's Most Popular State

    https://www.laweekly.com/news/california-is-americas-favorite-state-to-live-retire-or-raise-a-family-8051490

    Here's How California Ranks Among Best Places To Live

    https://patch.com/california/lakeelsinore-wildomar/here-s-how-california-ranks-among-best-places-live

    51 Reasons California Is America's Best State

    https://archives.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2011/08/31/51-reasons-california-is-americas-best-state

    In actuality, California offers one of the best lifestyles in the world. The climate is generally agreeable and enjoyable, particularly if you've had the misfortune of being landlocked in one of the more dreary, wintry or humid parts of the United States. The beaches are world class, and the vistas coming around the bend on PCH are as beautiful as any in the world.


    All the data is linked in the post. Unless you think sites like statisticbrain.com are white nationlist blogs.
     
    This is called statistical malpractice, something alt-right types are notorious for. Given the same exact data sets a rational and non-ideological person would come to a radically different interpretation.

    No, I’m talking averages here. Surely you’ve heard of The Bell Curve?
     
    Okay, identify just ONE SINGLE credible East Asian researcher, scientist, thinker, geneticist or academic who believes or postulates that East Asians are ***ON AVERAGE*** intrinsically or genetically more intelligent than Africans. Good luck.

    The Chinese aren’t hampered by things like white guilt.

    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/on-the-concept-of-race-in-chinese-biological-anthropology-alive-and-well.pdf
     

    Your link states that Chinese anthropologists are more amenable than American and Polish anthropologists to the concept of distinct human races. Okay, now what? How do you draw from that an inference that the Chinese believe some races are superior or inferior?

    Which leads to another bit of alt-right idiocy -- the notion that if there are identifiable human races, then it must follow that there are hierarchies among said races.

    Oh, let's hear from a leading Chinese geneticist:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzyoMqxppR0


    And they have a word for diversity loving, PC whites.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-21/baizuo-new-derogatory-term-millions-chinese-are-using-describe-americas-white-left-r

     

    You conducted a poll of all 1.4 billion Chinese, did you?

    From your own link:

    The question has received more than 400 answers from Zhihu users, which include some of the most representative perceptions of the ‘white left’. Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”

    Zero Hedge is a ridiculous alt-right blog. This kind of thoughtless sophistry and jumping to conclusions that satisfy your biases are among the myriad reasons your ideology is in the toilet.


    If it’s good for the U.S. that they come here, it’s bad for the country in which they left.
     
    The United States simply provides an environment more conducive than their home countries. It's the same reason Europeans fled their various shitholes for the United States.

    Italians, Greeks, and Irish are white.
     
    They are now but they weren't then.

    And their home countries are run much better than most of the non-white immigrants’ countries are.
     
    As a snapshot in this particular time, perhaps. But the fact that they fled their various basketcase countries for the United States ought to make it obvious to you that economic, cultural and civilizational circumstances don't remain fixed in time for all eternity.

    The U.S. was founded for White Europeans by White Europeans. It is a white country.
     
    Even if that were true, that would exclude the vast majority of whites in the United States, probably including you. There are no Italian, Greek, Irish, Russian or even Swedish signatories of the Declaration of Independence. These ethnicities became "white" only in the 20th century.

    Muh white supremacy. And I’m sure immigration has had nothing to do with why people are leaving.
     
    Not when the states they're moving to also harbor immigrants, illegal or otherwise. A common move is from CA to TX. Well, TX has its fair share of both legal and illegal immigrants. And Harris County is more liberal, more progressive and more diverse than Los Angeles County. So immigration isn't the reason people relocate from one state to another. If they wanted to avoid immigrants they'd move to Mississippi, Montana, Idaho, West Virginia, The Dakotas, etc. But those states aren't exactly attracting a great influx of new residents.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Ron Unz
    @notanon


    wouldn’t that mean people’s lived experience of a much higher latino crime rate (at least in blue collar neighborhoods) is correct but it’s due to the age and gender effects of mass immigration rather than fundamental ethnic cultural/genetic differences?
     
    I'm really not sure whether too many people outside the Internet and FoxNews actually have a perception of higher Latino crime rates. That certainly doesn't seem to be the case in most of CA or other areas with large Latino populations have have been around for a while.

    As far as I can tell, Trump's message about hordes of violent Latinos crossing our border did very well in states like WV without any Latinos and very badly in states like CA where they actually exist in real life.

    People aren't totally stupid. If they notice that most Latinos are in their 20s and act pretty much like whites in their 20s (i.e. wilder than people in their 50s), they don't say "Latinos are wild." Instead, they say "people in their 20s are wild."

    Human beings have evolved to notice such things in real life, though the MSM can often trick them.

    Replies: @FvS, @Rurik, @JLK

    Many of the California whites that would have been favorable to Trump’s message started voting with their feet long before he came along. California has become a magnet for the self-hating, diversity fetishist types. Types that would say, “He deserves it because of my white privilege,” as the mestizo thief made off with their purse.

    • Replies: @David Baker
    @FvS

    Diversity is not the problem. GOVERNMENT ADMINISTERING DIVERSITY is the problem Rather than allowing a given society the leeway to adjust to different cultures, lifestyles and ideologies, the government sticks their big noses (Literally, California's main players in government are Jewish) into the process, and expands accordingly. Nay, exponentially. Government seeks to expand, and any excuse they can think of to grow their size/scope/authority/discretion will suffice to tack on more issue-specific offices, while increasing taxes/fees/fines/foibles and funds.

  • @Thomm
    Now, in quasi-defense of RUnzie Baby, the question of Hispanic (specifically Meso-American Hispanic) crime is almost a moot question, partly due to the very high intermarriage rates between Mexicans and whites in America.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/FT_17.06.01_multiracialBabies_map.png?w=420

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/15153113/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-00-00.png

    These charts are from 2010-15 data. Fast forward to today, and each state is probably 3-4 percentage points higher than in the chart, making CA 25%+.

    The two populations are substantially merged, and are becoming more so each year. If crime is done by males aged 16-25, the babies born in 2010-15 are not too many years away from being in that age band (with more to follow).

    Among other points :

    i) The narrative that whites are 'vanishing' from California would greatly diminish if all the half-white children are counted. Since most of the 22% of babies that are interracial in CA are half-white, counting the half-white components of each leads to a higher number of aggregate whites in CA.
    ii) As the typical Mexican is 40% white, the offspring of a Mexican and a white American is going to be 70% white, 30% AmerIndian. Appearance-wise, such a person would just look like at Italian or a Univision Spaniard.
    iii) If not the the continuous topping of of new Hispanics and Asians, both populations would just vanish into the white population through interbreeding.

    Replies: @FvS

    The narrative that whites are ‘vanishing’ from California would greatly diminish if all the half-white children are counted. Since most of the 22% of babies that are interracial in CA are half-white, counting the half-white components of each leads to a higher number of aggregate whites in CA.

    Except half-whites aren’t white by definition.

    As the typical Mexican is 40% white, the offspring of a Mexican and a white American is going to be 70% white, 30% AmerIndian. Appearance-wise, such a person would just look like at Italian or a Univision Spaniard.

    With 30% Amerindian blood, Americoid features would still be visible. Italians and Spaniards are pure Caucasoid. Here is a picture for reference. Carlos Santana is probably close to what you’re talking about.

    If not the the continuous topping of of new Hispanics and Asians, both populations would just vanish into the white population through interbreeding.

    No, you would still have “pure” mestizos and pure whites. There would just be a segment of the population that was trending towards castizo.

  • @Okechukwu
    @FvS


    California ranks last in quality of life. It’s in the article. The other issues are all discussed there too.
     
    No, California most definitely does not rank last in quality of life. That's merely the opinion of one ultra-rightwing contributor to Forbes. It's based neither on the facts or on reality.

    Here are some alternative opinions:

    Too Bad, Trump — California Is the Nation's Most Popular State

    https://www.laweekly.com/news/california-is-americas-favorite-state-to-live-retire-or-raise-a-family-8051490

    Here's How California Ranks Among Best Places To Live

    https://patch.com/california/lakeelsinore-wildomar/here-s-how-california-ranks-among-best-places-live

    51 Reasons California Is America's Best State

    https://archives.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2011/08/31/51-reasons-california-is-americas-best-state

    In actuality, California offers one of the best lifestyles in the world. The climate is generally agreeable and enjoyable, particularly if you've had the misfortune of being landlocked in one of the more dreary, wintry or humid parts of the United States. The beaches are world class, and the vistas coming around the bend on PCH are as beautiful as any in the world.


    All the data is linked in the post. Unless you think sites like statisticbrain.com are white nationlist blogs.
     
    This is called statistical malpractice, something alt-right types are notorious for. Given the same exact data sets a rational and non-ideological person would come to a radically different interpretation.

    No, I’m talking averages here. Surely you’ve heard of The Bell Curve?
     
    Okay, identify just ONE SINGLE credible East Asian researcher, scientist, thinker, geneticist or academic who believes or postulates that East Asians are ***ON AVERAGE*** intrinsically or genetically more intelligent than Africans. Good luck.

    The Chinese aren’t hampered by things like white guilt.

    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/on-the-concept-of-race-in-chinese-biological-anthropology-alive-and-well.pdf
     

    Your link states that Chinese anthropologists are more amenable than American and Polish anthropologists to the concept of distinct human races. Okay, now what? How do you draw from that an inference that the Chinese believe some races are superior or inferior?

    Which leads to another bit of alt-right idiocy -- the notion that if there are identifiable human races, then it must follow that there are hierarchies among said races.

    Oh, let's hear from a leading Chinese geneticist:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzyoMqxppR0


    And they have a word for diversity loving, PC whites.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-21/baizuo-new-derogatory-term-millions-chinese-are-using-describe-americas-white-left-r

     

    You conducted a poll of all 1.4 billion Chinese, did you?

    From your own link:

    The question has received more than 400 answers from Zhihu users, which include some of the most representative perceptions of the ‘white left’. Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”

    Zero Hedge is a ridiculous alt-right blog. This kind of thoughtless sophistry and jumping to conclusions that satisfy your biases are among the myriad reasons your ideology is in the toilet.


    If it’s good for the U.S. that they come here, it’s bad for the country in which they left.
     
    The United States simply provides an environment more conducive than their home countries. It's the same reason Europeans fled their various shitholes for the United States.

    Italians, Greeks, and Irish are white.
     
    They are now but they weren't then.

    And their home countries are run much better than most of the non-white immigrants’ countries are.
     
    As a snapshot in this particular time, perhaps. But the fact that they fled their various basketcase countries for the United States ought to make it obvious to you that economic, cultural and civilizational circumstances don't remain fixed in time for all eternity.

    The U.S. was founded for White Europeans by White Europeans. It is a white country.
     
    Even if that were true, that would exclude the vast majority of whites in the United States, probably including you. There are no Italian, Greek, Irish, Russian or even Swedish signatories of the Declaration of Independence. These ethnicities became "white" only in the 20th century.

    Muh white supremacy. And I’m sure immigration has had nothing to do with why people are leaving.
     
    Not when the states they're moving to also harbor immigrants, illegal or otherwise. A common move is from CA to TX. Well, TX has its fair share of both legal and illegal immigrants. And Harris County is more liberal, more progressive and more diverse than Los Angeles County. So immigration isn't the reason people relocate from one state to another. If they wanted to avoid immigrants they'd move to Mississippi, Montana, Idaho, West Virginia, The Dakotas, etc. But those states aren't exactly attracting a great influx of new residents.

    Replies: @FvS

    No, California most definitely does not rank last in quality of life. That’s merely the opinion of one ultra-rightwing contributor to Forbes. It’s based neither on the facts or on reality.

    U.S. News did the ranking.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-has-worst-quality-of-life-in-us-study-says
    https://mises.org/wire/why-california-has-nations-worst-poverty-rate-1

    This is called statistical malpractice, something alt-right types are notorious for. Given the same exact data sets a rational and non-ideological person would come to a radically different interpretation.

    No, it isn’t, and no, you couldn’t. Those are all from official sources.

    Okay, identify just ONE SINGLE credible East Asian researcher, scientist, thinker, geneticist or academic who believes or postulates that East Asians are ***ON AVERAGE*** intrinsically or genetically more intelligent than Africans. Good luck.

    C’mon, you can’t be that naive. I gave the link on how Chinese anthropologists view the existence of race. I would bet money that most of them view their race to be more intelligent than Africans. Especially judging by how they treat them. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find Asian scientists openly talking about the issue of race. The video you posted tells us nothing about how they view current races, just how that one scientist views humanity’s origins.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/world/africa/kenya-china-racism.html
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/china-and-india-have-a-huge-problem-with-racism-toward-black-people/

    Video Link

    Zero Hedge is a ridiculous alt-right blog. This kind of thoughtless sophistry and jumping to conclusions that satisfy your biases are among the myriad reasons your ideology is in the toilet.

    You need to get over your childish refusal to look at the sources that are linked in the articles.

    The United States simply provides an environment more conducive than their home countries. It’s the same reason Europeans fled their various shitholes for the United States.

    Okay, that has nothing to with what I said though.

    [MORE]

    They are now but they weren’t then.

    Yes, they were. That’s why they could become citizens right from the founding of the country. That doesn’t mean all whites are equal or that they were treated equally. However, they were definitely considered to be white.

    As a snapshot in this particular time, perhaps. But the fact that they fled their various basketcase countries for the United States ought to make it obvious to you that economic, cultural and civilizational circumstances don’t remain fixed in time for all eternity.

    I don’t see Central America improving much any time soon unless something drastic were to happen like the ending of the Drug War.

    Even if that were true, that would exclude the vast majority of whites in the United States, probably including you. There are no Italian, Greek, Irish, Russian or even Swedish signatories of the Declaration of Independence. These ethnicities became “white” only in the 20th century.

    Wrong, as explained above. You believe in a myth.

    Not when the states they’re moving to also harbor immigrants, illegal or otherwise. A common move is from CA to TX. Well, TX has its fair share of both legal and illegal immigrants. And Harris County is more liberal, more progressive and more diverse than Los Angeles County. So immigration isn’t the reason people relocate from one state to another. If they wanted to avoid immigrants they’d move to Mississippi, Montana, Idaho, West Virginia, The Dakotas, etc. But those states aren’t exactly attracting a great influx of new residents.

    https://mises.org/wire/california-illinois-and-new-york-keep-losing-people-other-states

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  • Nassim Nicholas Taleb has tweeted a set of remarks about intelligence research. He has now gathered those together into one format, with links and explanations. There is no lack of confidence in his essay. There is much to discuss here, and what follows covers what I see as the main points. I have added some...
  • @Colin Wright
    What keeps striking me is that few measures of anything are perfect; nevertheless, some are pretty damned good.

    You could be drunk as a lord and still drive home alright; nevertheless, statistically it would be a bad idea to let people roar around with a blood alcohol level of 0.3 per whatever.

    Similarly, IQ associates very clearly with intelligence in numerous respects; and I defy you to find many people with IQ's of seventy who aren't obviously stupid; or people with IQ's of 150 who aren't pretty sharp.

    What people mind, of course, isn't that IQ may not be a perfect measure; it's that the scores vary among racial groups, and blacks in particular score very low. It's the accuracy, not the inaccuracy, that upsets them.

    Replies: @FvS, @Wally

    Well said.

  • One often sees the silly assertion by right-wing extremists that feminists, social justice warriors, and other “cranks” are enstupidating American education. The purpose, according to these fascists, who are just like Hitler, is “to make historically incompetent groups look competent.” The racism in these absurd claims is obvious. In particular such Neo-Nazis say that mathematical...
  • @Thomm
    It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew like Ron Unz singlehandedly tie up hundreds if not thousands of White Trashionalists at once. His strategy is particularly elegant when one observes the progression of Ron’s articles over the years (such as this one from seven years ago).

    Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
    Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little renumeration.
    Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
    Step 4 : Deploy someone like Fred Reed to generate even more confusion, such as with this article.

    It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew. Remember, he got handed an unprestigious assignment from Jewish central command. Harvey Weinstein got to have sex with the prettiest actresses for 30 years, George Soros gets to be a billionaire, etc. But someone has to do the less glamorous work, and Runzie Baby is equal to the task.

    Ron Unz has said about 95% of this site disputes the fact that the real division is black vs non-black. I am among the 5% that agree with him (although I am more conservative than him, since I think there should be only skilled, legal immigration, not unskilled and certainly never illegal).

    Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated here, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.

    Why?

    It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Trashionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring out that they are the frog and the temperature is already up to about 160 degrees F.

    I am strongly in favor of what Ron Unz is doing. His recent 'An Open Letter....' article was a trial balloon through which he tested the speed at which the temperature can be increased under the immerse-in-water frog. I look forward to seeing him go for the kill (i.e. 212 degrees F) by around 2020 or so.

    Replies: @peterAUS, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldian, @Miro23, @Wizard of Oz, @Reuben Kaspate, @FvS, @would smashionalist

    If you’re white and not a white nationalist by now, you aren’t paying attention.

  • Tucker Carlson’s critique of unrestrained capitalism last week sent the Respectable Right into apoplectic fury. That’s why it’s irrelevant—and why Carlson is increasingly emerging as a name to conjure with. In a now-celebrated monologue on his Fox News show, Carlson blamed multinational corporations and urban elites for the decline of Middle America. [Mitt Romney supports...
  • Libertarianism needs white nationalism, but at least libertarians consistently call out the Federal Reserve. Tucker never has to my knowledge, maybe because he doesn’t understand or isn’t interested in monetary policy. But monetary policy affects all aspects of the economy, from wages to international trade. Tucker is libertarian on foreign policy, among other things, and the last time I checked, he’s no Bernie Sanders or Ocasio-Cortez when it comes to domestic policy. Does he favor socialized medicine, public higher education, expansion of the welfare state, and government housing for all? His main gripe is with many corporations’ love of cheap foreign labor, big tech censorship, and “free” trade. Oh, and he thinks the rich need to be taxed a little more. Can’t say I disagree with him there. However, I don’t even see any evidence that he is a race realist. I like him, but he seems like the quintessential civic nationalist to me, though that could just be the mask he has to wear.

    The foreign labor aspect does need to be reined in (hence why libertarianism needs racial/ethnic nationalism). Google is hardly a private company as it was seed funded by the CIA and NSA. Facebook regularly colludes with Israeli/U.S. Intelligence. It is not unlibertarian to oppose “private” companies that become arms of the state to shut down opposition. The whole free trade vs. protectionism debate is more complicated than either side will admit. Both policies create winners and losers to varying degrees as Trump’s tariffs have shown, and the Federal Reserve mucks up things either way. There is no free market in America.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
    @FvS

    Folks need to know and understand that fiat banking is the scam.

    FEB. 5, 2015 Global Debt Has Risen by $57 Trillion Since the Financial Crisis

    For every debtor there is a creditor, and in theory an economy should be able to hum along just fine whether a country’s citizens have a great deal of debt or none.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/upshot/global-debt-has-risen-by-57-trillion-since-the-financial-crisis-heres-why-that-is-scary.html?_r=2&abt=0002&abg=0

  • Back in November I published a long column discussing the results of the 2018 midterm elections and then a couple of weeks ago I also released a private letter I'd distributed to prominent figures in the Alt-Right movement back in 2017, suggesting some of the ways that their public positions had severely damaged their credibility...
  • I’d hate to see what would have happened had the 1965 Immigration Act OPENED our borders. Dios mio!

    Make America Mexico Again! Reconquista!

  • @Ron Unz
    Well, we're fast closing in on 500 comments, so I might as well add an additional point about "media bias"...

    As everyone here knows, the "MSM Megaphone" generally trumpets or ignores crimes based on PC-type principles. For example, the story of that little black girl killed in Houston was well on its way to becoming the #1 worldwide crime story until they discovered that instead of some "white racist," her killers were just the usual sort of violent black gangsters.

    But the same problem is exactly true about the conservative media.

    For example, a few days ago an attractive young 22-year-old second-generation policewoman was brutally assassinated in the college-town of Davis, CA, the first killing of a police officer there in 60 years. She was standing on the street, taking information on a minor car accident when her assailant came up to her, shot her once for no reason, then emptied his gun into her as she lay on the street. He had a long police record, and also clearly had serious psychological problems.

    If she had been white and her killer Hispanic, let alone an illegal immigrant, it would have spent many weeks as the #1 story on FoxNews and every other rightwing media outlet, with Trump making it the centerpiece of all his speeches and Tweets.

    But as it happened, she was Hispanic and her killer white, so probably nobody outside of Northern california has ever heard of it.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article224336545.html

    Basically, conservative news outlets are just as dishonest as the liberal ones, but simply less powerful and pervasive in their influence...

    Replies: @BobX, @FvS

    She is at the very least a castizo. She looks to be very high percentage European caucasoid and might actually qualify as a white Hispanic.

  • Walls work. 25 billion is peanuts. But it is only one step out of many towards vastly restricting all immigration, legal and illegal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrChOwmtdEI
    Video Link

    • Replies: @Anarcho-Supremacist
    @FvS

    Ironicly Ron Unz suported buliding an Israeli border wall in the early 2000s

  • @AmRusDebate
    Thank you Ron, for your informed position.

    I note from numerous comments that many who post their opinions, can't be bothered to read the entire article upon which they comment. I.e. cases of when "you didn't distinguish the Caribbeans" or you didn't cite "Jared Taylor" - when you obviously did all of that and more. Ron is right to eschew the stupider dregs of the anti-PC communities, who have confused their beliefs about something, with having an informed or substantive position.

    Which is also why I disagree with your conclusions entirely Ron.

    You are over-intellectualizing.

    The issue with Latino crime is one of demographic doomsday, and perception that transcends borders. American's look down south, and see killing fields which give Vietnam and Iraq a run for their money, and Americans, especially White Americans, literally want to run (permanent White Flight mode). They panic. This panic translates into tremendous apprehension about the lack of control, and the punitive measures taken against those who seek such control, of America's borders.

    Let's begin with a simple statistic Ron. How many border crossings/entries America has per year. You can do the math : https://www.bts.gov/content/border-crossingentry-data

    In 2018 we had roughly 280 million crossings of the border, total. I'll leave it to your stellar team to break down the data for us further per category, location, etc. The actual estimates for the size of America's illegal population is near 20 million as a conservative estimate, with myself tending to see a mode of 28 million as more realistic.
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates

    America has, practically speaking, open borders with the EU partners, with Japan, Taiwan, and various other places which require no visa to enter the country (plenty of poor bums from the Compact of Free Association, Protectorate areas, British Overseas Territories). Considering the large numbers of non-Whites in littoral Europe, we are seeing increasing numbers of Africans with papers from the EU. The number of Mexicans granted Border Crossing Cards annually is north of one million . Suggesting that as a minimum fifteen million Mexicans along the border with the United States, hold such papers, and can enter the country at will. These are good for ten years, they date from the mid nineties, under various names.

    America has about 90 million foreign visitors in 2018. The DOS has issued about half a million visas, and another 10 million visitors visas (of which 10% the above BCCs).

    With such flows, I don't think it is hardly inconceivable that not only is the proverbial illegals population nearer the 20+ million figure (with unclear intentions to stay for another million). What is inconceivable, is just how can America manage these flows in a manner that respects its sovereignty.

    We are told that we have about fifty million foreign born in America today, without any clarification as to status (citizen, visitor) but certainly without taking into account illegals. Depending on the illegal numbers, in America today, there may be something like 70 million foreign born, of which 20 million minimum, illegal, paper-less, expired. For a supposed population of 300+ million, we're dealing with nearly 25% foreigner share. Now we're also told that in America, we have more than fifty million hispanics/latinos. Again, this does not include the twenty million illegals, of whom we have to assume a majority is Hispanic. As a quick note, Whites should take note, that for all of North America, in which the population is 570 million, Whites comprise slightly more than 1/3d of the population. For NAFTA, Whites now comprise a sliver more than 50 percent. Any further integration, any further boundlessness, rapidly alters the racial balance of the continent, specifically in CONUS itself.

    Since NAFTA, integration has proceeded a pace at a speed, where Americans, whether traveling to Mexico and the Caribbean for holidays, or US business and cultural life have increasingly created a regional block, but one in which border flows are not controlled, and Hispanisation is the most salient attribute of this dynamic.

    Now you can do all the equations you want Ron, but when you front-load all your assumptions by saying - I tweak my numbers for "age" related propensity to commit crime, you omit, in keeping with all Silicon Valley bubble-heads, the territorial aspect to the question, and hence psychological.


    "Therefore, all measures of criminal activity, such as incarceration rates, should be adjusted to the size of the high-crime-age male cohort. This allows us to properly estimate the relative crime rates of Hispanics and whites of the same age."
     
    Are you kidding me Ron!?

    Look, I suppose you know what the obvious answer to such a ploy is - but I'll give it to readers anyway. It's so cheap its not worthy of mention.

    if you smooth hispanic age for crime , then naturally you have to do the same for blacks and whites.
    duh!

    I suggest you also smooth the data for "status", and kick in income levels to boot!

    By status I am being ironic.


    Did you? Do you? Will you?

    So please, on this point - get off it!

    You mention your own East Palo Alto. Just as you mention the continuity of crimes in Los Angeles. Of interest is not the continuity of stats, nor the comparative value of whites vs. Latinos, but the fact that East Palo Alto is a shit-hole as is most of the LA area. Do you cross 101 to go for a stroll in East Palo Alto!? How often do you chat to locals there? Or do you whizz through in your Lexus on the way to University Avenue hoping to get all greens? Now you talk of its hispanisation - but actually, the real demographic shift in that shit-hole has been the Tagalog speakers. The hispanisation preceded this, in the nineties, and reduced the negro share from forty, to 16 or so percent.

    As Linh Dinh points out, you probably know less about East Palo Alto, living next to it, than you do by reading about it in the vaunted "crime is so much lower than in the 80s" bromide served up by disinterested Valley journos. I invite anyone to just drive through the neighborhood, and see how you feel!
    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/east-palo-alto/crime

    The shtick with E. Palo Alto, is even at its peak it had relatively low overall crimes - its only twenty thousand people. So using it as an argument, while mistaking the demographic change of the area - in the debate about hispanic/white crime, strikes me as tangential. I mean you want to talk East Palo alto, you'll have to do more than sumarily mention Hispanics. At their peak (prior to Tagalog influx) they were committing as much crimes as during the Afro peak.
    http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-East-Palo-Alto-California.html

    Nationally, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics are Meso-American, with only a small minority being Caribbean.
     
    Wrong.

    Take East Palo Alto again. 40 of it's Spanish speakers are not Mexicans. At least half of the 40% are Caribs from our own "Protectorates!"

    Now you mention El Paso. Complete outlier. First, it is solidly Mexican. Not Carib, not Hispanic in a broad sense. Second, it falls under a peace deal between the Cartels. Third, it is heavily policed and watched by the FBI.

    I think your overall argument is that Blacks are the real cause of high crime rates in America. That is indisputable, and comparing Hispanics to blacks, is what your argument is all about.

    By that logic, let's imagine that America wasn't being hispanicised, but invaded by the same number of Chinese. What kind of crime rate would we see then?

    Without smoothing your numbers, we see that Hispanic crime, while not as flagrant and impulsive as the negro variety, is about double of the White male category, especially in aggravated assault. Whether it comes from illegals, who by their nature are in America illegally, and hence commit a crime and hence are rightfully perceived as transgressors, and rightfully associated with waves of extreme criminality witnessed in the rest of Meso-America, or by legal Hispanics, what difference does it make?

    The cases of assault are significantly higher in the Hispanic category than all others. They control the drug trade in America and La Razas and minority chauvinism makes it impossible to dislodge them from that dominant position, which expresses itself terrestrially, and politically. Make no mistake, the game played by some elites is not naive. They can see where the wind is blowing. Blacks can't organize beyond a screaming committee - Latinos are hierarchical, and can use violence at will, for protracted turf battles. It's not the same violence, it's not the same logic, the result is that in every case Latinos have taken on blacks, the latter have lost, territory, population. Same goes for Whites, where the amount of violence necessary is lower, since simple intimidation (and of course Latina pussy to boast - since Whites are sexually inept).

    The territorial control is far more impressive, more consolidated. The growth of the Cartels in Mexico, in Mesoamerica is the direct result of the total control of America's drug world by Hispanics. The territorial conquest we see in California, in large cities, is unmistakable. Not only is this a population that will not assimilate, it will assimilate America back to the empire of New Mexico. How much actual crime is committed in the meantime, matters little, when physical force is significant enough as a dissuasion. They have taken power. East Palo Alto is a case in point. What remains of the blacks, will simply not challenge what has been consolidated by the Latinos and Tagalogs.

    Latinos will be the death knell for both Blacks and Whites, because they presume a mass transgression precisely like that of the Afro-Afghani invaders of modern Europe. It doesn't matter how nice they are or how much anyone likes them, they are not carriers of order and discipline, they are not Chinese, nor Belgians, and the crime is more poignant, and is the real challenge to America's law and order, because of its more complex nature.

    Perhaps if you theorized less about the areas you describe, and actually visited, you'd see the difference between statistics, and real life intimidation and territorial power. I agree that Hispanics are not bad per se. Compared to blacks, with whom one is on permanent egg-shells, the problem is all together different, but your import was to expose the ignorance of a moment in American history when prioritizing illegal criminality is naive. Black crime is more direct, and can come across as more relevant, but there is a reason law enforcement has come to manage it, while with Latino's, that's a different story! They actually corrupt our law enforcement, more than Blacks ever could, and that is in and of itself, a greater long-term threat. The corruption involves mainstream politicians, i.e. Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio. You want to talk Russia-gate, talk Latino-gate! The interference in our 2016 elections, the illegal vote, the resulting Clinton popular vote - that is unprecedented, that is without parallel, that is a true menace. You may not see the link to Hispanic crime, but on the ground, where they gain territorial control - again only a teetotaler living in a Palo Alto start-up bubble could miss it!

    First we need to control illegal immigration. Only then does legal immigration enter the picture. If you think Trump could easily tackle both at the same time, while having his strings pulled at every step by his mac-daddy Bibi on issues detrimental to the national interest, you seem to, as too many in the Valley regularly do, confound your make believe world of ideas and arguments, with reality. You have probably visited E. Palo Alto with your rotary, Lions club palls, but go out just once, for a stroll, or send Linh Dinh on a task...I think you'll form a different impression of your attitude about these things...

    Mexicans, Hispanics, Latinos have their La Razas. They have their mainstream Chauvinist organizations. They are 2/3ds of North America's population, a continent more and more integrated with every year. You can see why Whites, who have no right to self-representation, LOGICALLY panic about the first thing that stands out as the most flagrant message to them - you have no future.

    So your intellectual arguments...they are unpersuasive...useless...wonkish bubble-land. You're missing the forest here.

    You are joining the left-wing chorus of those who patronize Whites on a 24/7 basis about bigotry and racism being responsible for any and all mention of "illegal crime waves".

    Why?

    As many have remarked, many profound thinkers, if Trump doesn't solve the problem the way he's being asked to right now, the next wave of presidents and/or the total dissolution of the Union will proceed with far more radical agendas. If the Mainstream doesn't' so much as agree on the necessity of following our laws, procedures, then what follows from this rejection, will be anarchy, in which race war will be a strong ingredient.

    Straight pure and simple.

    I don't think its responsible to play with fire here. To add to the insane position of the MSM, systematically used to cudgel Whites into racial self-abnegation that they are ignorant in their anxieties about illegals, and wrong to link such illegality to crime. You are playing into the wrong hands. I don't think highly of the average White American, in the sense that my experience with them on Gab is of extreme Antisemitism, crudeness and illiteracy, but you're not helping here.

    Listen to Michael Savage a little more on this issue, he's less intellectual. He goes out on the streets. He listens to them. He's got this one right. You don't.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @FvS

    Damn, btfo.

  • @Anarcho-Supremacist
    @Ron Unz

    All of yall are still obsessed with homicides. What about DWIs and reckless driving? Illegals are disproportionately resposable for those. And shoot vilolent crime is overated. Homicides may be way down but property crime is still way above early 60s levels.

    I will throw you a bone Unz, your data includes all "hispanics" so argubly illegals are disportinatly very low but shit why tolerate average when you can get Asian levels?

    Replies: @FvS

    What about DWIs and reckless driving?

    The only category where they actually beat out blacks.

  • @Thomm
    Now, in quasi-defense of RUnzie Baby, the question of Hispanic (specifically Meso-American Hispanic) crime is almost a moot question, partly due to the very high intermarriage rates between Mexicans and whites in America.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/FT_17.06.01_multiracialBabies_map.png

    http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/15153113/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-00-00.png

    These charts are from 2010-15 data. Fast forward to today, and each state is probably 3-4 percentage points higher than in the chart, making CA 25%+.

    The two populations are substantially merged, and are becoming more so each year. If crime is done by males aged 16-25, the babies born in 2010-15 are not too many years away from being in that age band (with more to follow).

    Among other points :

    i) The narrative that whites are ‘vanishing’ from California would greatly diminish if all the half-white children are counted. Since most of the 22% of babies that are interracial as of 2015 in CA are half-white, counting the half-white components of each leads to a higher number of aggregate whites in CA.
    ii) As the typical Mexican is 40% white, the offspring of a Mexican and a white American is going to be 70% white, 30% AmerIndian. Appearance-wise, such a person would just look like an Italian or a Univision Spaniard-Mexican.
    iii) If not the the continuous topping of of new Hispanics and Asians, both populations would just vanish into the white population through interbreeding.

    Replies: @BobX, @FvS

    The narrative that whites are ‘vanishing’ from California would greatly diminish if all the half-white children are counted. Since most of the 22% of babies that are interracial in CA are half-white, counting the half-white components of each leads to a higher number of aggregate whites in CA.

    Except half-whites aren’t white by definition.

    As the typical Mexican is 40% white, the offspring of a Mexican and a white American is going to be 70% white, 30% AmerIndian. Appearance-wise, such a person would just look like at Italian or a Univision Spaniard.

    With 30% Amerindian blood, americoid features would still be visible. Italians and Spaniards are pure caucasoid. Carlos Santana is probably close to what you’re talking about. Here is a picture for reference that shows your typical mestizo as well.

    If not the the continuous topping of of new Hispanics and Asians, both populations would just vanish into the white population through interbreeding.

    No, you would still have “pure” mestizos and pure whites. There would just be a segment of the population that was trending towards castizo.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    @FvS

    Danny Trejo is not 70% white. He is a Yaqui Indian, according to him.

    None of these people are 70% white. George is 50%. Hid Dad is a German Jew.

    , @Thomm
    @FvS


    With 30% Amerindian blood, americoid features would still be visible.
     
    Not much. I guarantee that if you met a 70% white, 30% Amerindian, you would consider them 'white'.

    Italians and Spaniards are pure caucasoid.
     
    White is a subset of 'caucasoid'. Arabs are Caucasoids too, and Italians and Spaniards are both part-Arab.

    Italians were not considered 'white' in the US* well into the 20th century. This is a well-known fact.

    *in a social/cultural sense, even if they were allowed citizenship.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @anonymous

    Seriously, why don’t you just find me the names of TEN ordinary white victims murdered in predatory crimes by illegals during all of 2018? There’s that Mollie somebody in Iowa who became a national sensation, so you just need to find 9 more…
     
    To be fair, it's difficult to find all the information one needs because the MSM doesn't report on all murders. Aside from some high profile murders of whites by illegals, I'm sure some fall through the cracks because the MSM doesn't investigate the killer's immigration status.

    Here's a list of white Americans who were murdered in a predatory manner by illegals in 2018. They seem to be, at least, of middle class status.

    1. Mollie Tibbets - no more need to be said.

    2. Rocky Paul Jones. Shot randomly by Gustavo Garcia, who attempted to be a spree killer but failed in his other attempts.

    3. Stephen Ray Cruze. Beaten to death by Ramon Escobar, a serial killer, who also beat 6 homeless men, killing 3 (2 blacks, 1 hispanic). Escobar also killed his uncle and aunt in TX.

    4. Madison Wells. Sixteen year old stabbed to death by ex-boyfriend, Bryan Cordero-Castro.

    5. Veronica Jester. Shot in head by Asunsion Martinez.

    6. Joyce Cluhey. Killed by Cesar Cono-Olvera.

    7. Russell Fisk. Shot in his car randomly by Arnoldo Pompa-Rascon, who shot two others who survived.

    8. Kinsey Beebe. Shot in the head by BF, Adonis Encinas Velarde, and his friend, Abraham Puentes Ortiz.

    9. Terra M. Reents. Stabbed to death at bar she worked at by Eliseo Hernandez-Sabastian, who stabbed another bar employee who survived.

    So there were 3 spree criminals. We should all be so "glad" that 2 were so bad in their aim.


    Here's 6 other ordinary Americans killed by illegals.

    10. Nicholas Boger. Black man shot to death during a robbery by Sergio Coello-Perez and Jonathan Castillo

    11. Ronil Singh. Police shot to death by Gustavo Perez Arriaga

    12. Faruk Bhuiya. Convenience store employee shot by Jose Bonilla-Ortiz

    13. Arthur Gomez Jr. Popular football coach shot dead by Joel Valera.

    14. Javier Rangel Sosa. Stabbed to death on fishing boat by co-worker, Franklin Freddy Meave Vazquez.

    15. Rahman Rupani. Store owner's son who intervened in an altercation outside store. Shot dead by Judas Deluna

    16. Jared Vargas. Murdered and burned by co-worker, Ernesto Esquivel Garcia.



    Then we have the disadvantaged Americans who were murdered. They were involved with prostitution, drugs, or were homeless. 6 whites, 2 blacks. There were hispanics, too, but I couldn't tell if they were citizens or not so they were omitted.

    Ann Farrin, Neidy Roche, Nurten Seljuk, Steven Marler, Aaron Hampton, Sabrina Starr, Kelvin Williams, Branden Ridout

    Last and not least, there are the vehicular homicides which can be worse than the predatory crimes because it can wipe out entire families and you cannot protect yourself by living in a segregated area away from illegals. The publicized cases I found consisted of 15 incidents: 9 whites, 2 blacks, 2 asians, 8 hispanics. Caveat is that I don't know if the asians or hispanics were citizens, I'm not listing them as a result. 60% were DUI, rest were reckless driving, almost all included hit and run - they were left to die.

    Amanda Ferguson Weyant - 6th grade teacher
    Logan and Jessica Wilson - left behind 3 young children
    Charles Byrdic - killed in front yard
    Amy Hawkins - bike rider
    Matthew D. Barthel - left behind wife and two children
    Justin Lee - 14 yr old bike rider
    John Anderson - burned alive in truck
    Edwin Jackson, Jeffrey Monroe - NFL football player and his Uber driver
    Jamar Rashaun Beach - riding motorcycle


    For calculating homicide numbers of illegals in TX I used this source, the June 2018 - Quarterly report on Alien Incarcerations.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-quarterly-alien-incarceration-report

    Using their numbers, I get 193 homicides a month which makes illegals committing 13.8% of homicides. Pew Hispanic claims that illegals are 6.1% of the population in Texas.

    An additional source of information comes from David Olen Cross who specializes in Oregon data. He correlates Oregon incarceration data with ICE detainer numbers.

    https://docfnc.wordpress.com/2019/01/12/oregon-department-of-corrections-foreign-national-homicide-report-december-2018/

    According to his data, illegals commit 7.4% of homicides and 6.1% of crime in Oregon. Pew Hispanic claims that illegals are 3.2% of the population in Oregon.

    Just sayin'

    Replies: @BobX, @MarkinLA, @FvS, @Ron Unz

    Well done.

  • @Ron Unz
    @BobX


    I am at a loss in understanding Ron’s focus on the specific number or rates here... and again leaves me with the conclusion that Cochran is right on some things Ron is just crazy.
     
    Well, look. If you and your friends want to rant and rave about Hispanic immigrant crime when the data shows it's not really all that much of a problem, you just come across like crazy nutjobs to normal people.

    Here's a piece of friendly advice. When you look like crazy nutjobs and your political opponents totally control the media, you tend to lose political battles.

    I assume you're some sort of WN-type horrified about non-white immigration. You and your friends have been ranting and raving about immigration for around twenty-five years now, and I'd say your record of political defeat during that period is just about 100%. As a consequence, something close to 25 million(!) additional non-white immigrants have permanently moved to the U.S.

    Given that 25 year record of absolutely unbroken failure, don't you think that maybe you should consider trying something a little different?...

    Replies: @BobX, @FvS

    Given that 25 year record of absolutely unbroken failure, don’t you think that maybe you should consider trying something a little different?…

    Translation: C’mon, you stupid goys, why won’t you just give up and accept your replacement?

    Except, white identity is on the rise, counter-semitism is all over the internet, and Trump got elected. The MSM, Hollywood, and Democratic Party spew anti-white propaganda regularly. Whites everywhere are finally waking up, and it’s scaring TPAB shitless. Mr. Unz, come to the light side. Be a pro-white Jew for a change.

    • Agree: geokat62
  • Conservatism certainly seems alive and well in America. For years polls have consistently shown that more Americans identify as conservative than as liberal. In recent decades both branches of Congress, as well as the White House, have often been controlled by Republicans – who generally regard themselves as conservative. “Conservative” Fox News has for some...
  • • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @FvS

    laughing.


    obviously someone that has no idea what a conservative is.

    Replies: @FvS

    , @Thomm
    @FvS

    White Trashionalism is a left-wing ideology. The economic views of the ideology are wholly left-wing, so the ideology is left-wing.

    Replies: @FvS, @Lars Porsena

  • Back in November I published a long column discussing the results of the 2018 midterm elections and then a couple of weeks ago I also released a private letter I'd distributed to prominent figures in the Alt-Right movement back in 2017, suggesting some of the ways that their public positions had severely damaged their credibility...
  • @Thomm
    @FvS


    With 30% Amerindian blood, americoid features would still be visible.
     
    Not much. I guarantee that if you met a 70% white, 30% Amerindian, you would consider them 'white'.

    Italians and Spaniards are pure caucasoid.
     
    White is a subset of 'caucasoid'. Arabs are Caucasoids too, and Italians and Spaniards are both part-Arab.

    Italians were not considered 'white' in the US* well into the 20th century. This is a well-known fact.

    *in a social/cultural sense, even if they were allowed citizenship.

    Replies: @FvS

    I guarantee that if you met a 70% white, 30% Amerindian, you would consider them ‘white’.

    I guarantee I can tell the difference.

    White is a subset of ‘caucasoid’. Arabs are Caucasoids too, and Italians and Spaniards are both part-Arab.

    Yes, but I was referring to the greater race of caucasoid to distinguish from americoid. As for the Berber marker found in Italians and Spaniards…

    In Europe, M81 is most common in Portugal (8%), Spain (4%), as well as in France (0-6%) and Italy (0-4%), where strong regional variations are observed. M81 is especially common in western Iberia, notably Extremadura (15.5%), Andalusia (13.5%), southern Portugal (11%), the Canary Islands (11%), north-west Castille (10%) and Galicia (10%). The highest percentage of E-M81 in Europe is found among the Pasiegos (30%, n=101), an isolated community living in the mountains of Cantabria.

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml
    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/10/refuting-afrocentrism-part-2-are-italians-black/

    Italians were not considered ‘white’ in the US* well into the 20th century. This is a well-known fact.
    *in a social/cultural sense, even if they were allowed citizenship.

    Incorrect. That is a myth. Even if Italians were considered to be a lower-tier of white, they were still considered to be white.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/

    • Replies: @Anarcho-Supremacist
    @FvS

    That WP article is good but he has one factually incorrect thing in it. Mexicans have always legally been considered white in the US. Means nothing today but in the past it was a big deal. This author seems to believe the myth that Hispanics were legally the same as blacks in the past.

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  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    White Trashionalism is a left-wing ideology. The economic views of the ideology are wholly left-wing, so the ideology is left-wing.

    Replies: @FvS, @Lars Porsena

    White nationalism itself has no economic ideology inherently attached to it. However, many white nationalists may share certain views on economics and politics.

    • Replies: @apollonian
    @FvS

    Real Patriots Are For Freedom, Hence Free Market--Death To Socialism, Which Is Genocide

    What?--WHY wouldn't good patriots like WNs want freedom?--like original founding fathers, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al. Hence real WN would want free-market--which is actually "capitalism," but which has been made a dirty word, a "buzz-word" nowadays, due to the morons who ape the Marxist prop. "Crony"-capitalism is diff. fm classic capitalism.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @EliteCommInc.
    @FvS

    laughing.


    obviously someone that has no idea what a conservative is.

    Replies: @FvS

    Do conservatives want the same things as Democrats? If no, they should be white nationalists.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @FvS

    Just nonsense.


    Skin color is nothing to political ideology. Otherwise, whites would all be conservative by tend to their genetic pigment.

    But as is clear, there are plenty of liberal whites: feminists, those who choose same sex relations, those who support murdering children in the womb, open borders, no nation at all as libertarians . . . if in fact whiteness was by genetic code of superior intelligence, morality, conservative ethos, christians -- then by the very determination of code to whiteness, would also stem the previously referenced traits but as is clear the nation over --- whites are not by determination of skin - conservative.

    Replies: @Ace, @FvS, @James Forrestal

  • @EliteCommInc.
    @FvS

    Just nonsense.


    Skin color is nothing to political ideology. Otherwise, whites would all be conservative by tend to their genetic pigment.

    But as is clear, there are plenty of liberal whites: feminists, those who choose same sex relations, those who support murdering children in the womb, open borders, no nation at all as libertarians . . . if in fact whiteness was by genetic code of superior intelligence, morality, conservative ethos, christians -- then by the very determination of code to whiteness, would also stem the previously referenced traits but as is clear the nation over --- whites are not by determination of skin - conservative.

    Replies: @Ace, @FvS, @James Forrestal

    Whether or not the races are predisposed towards particular political ideologies, we do know for a fact that non-whites in the U.S. vote overwhelmingly Democrat. This can’t be disputed.

  • @apollonian
    @FvS

    Real Patriots Are For Freedom, Hence Free Market--Death To Socialism, Which Is Genocide

    What?--WHY wouldn't good patriots like WNs want freedom?--like original founding fathers, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et al. Hence real WN would want free-market--which is actually "capitalism," but which has been made a dirty word, a "buzz-word" nowadays, due to the morons who ape the Marxist prop. "Crony"-capitalism is diff. fm classic capitalism.

    Replies: @FvS

    I tend to agree. Personally, I’m in favor of a moderate Ron Paul libertarianism within a white nationalist framework along with some pro-marriage and eugenics policies thrown in. And maybe some compromises on international trade as well.

  • A storm, methinks, is just over the horizon: The genetics of intelligence, perhaps of behavior. Geneticists know that intelligence is largely genetic. They know better than to say so. But research advances rapidly. Laboratories close in on the responsible genes. Things like genomic-sequence correlation proceed apace. Within ten or fifteen years, I will guess, the...
  • @Jeff Stryker
    @Ancien Regime

    If whites are so smart, why are they more afflicted with Opoid abuse, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, petty crime and general whiggerdom than Jews or Asians.

    Answer: The IQ deviation between the average white and Jews or Asians near to that as whites and blacks.

    Italians and Russian criminals at least MAKE MONEY from their rackets. All that the average redneck white does is end up being traded for candy bars by blacks in jail.

    Even the so-called Aryan Brotherhood which gets some respect in prison cannot make the sort of money that Italian and Russian syndicates do. At best, they own some tattoo parlors on the bricks and a bike repair shop. They cannot kill union officials and get away with it like Italians did to Jimmy Hoffa.

    Whites have neither the primitivism and brute force of blacks, Sicilians and Hispanics or the cunning and intelligence of Jews and Asians. They are median in every which way. Not as tough as the former, not as cunning or smart as the latter.

    This then begs the question of what white can actually RUN. Obviously when it comes to the streets where brute force rules the roost, blacks and Hispanics will prevail. In terms of under-the-table cunning and sometimes raw IQ, Asians and Jews seem to have the white beat.

    Replies: @FvS, @Leon Haller

    This then begs the question of what white can actually RUN.

    The biggest organized crime syndicate of all…the U.S. government (along with a bunch of Jewish subversives). Only retards get into street level organized crime and risk the long prison sentences.

  • @Jeff Stryker
    @Pft

    POOR WHITES & ENVIRONMENT

    1) Most poor whites are from rural areas with a lousy economy and no connections. No well-placed uncle is going to get them a job because there is no industry.

    2) Most poor whites are the children of poor parents.

    3) White poor urban underclass get pummeled by blacks in public school. Tortured even.

    4) Drugs are prevalent in poor white areas. Kids start smoking pot at 11 or 12 years old. At 14 it is meth. By 18 they are full-fledged junkies.

    5) Poor whites have children young. This is why evangelical Christians are always broke. At 20 or 21 they are parents. They marry young and have to take any job they can get. Jews and Asians and WASPS marry at 30.

    6) Poor whites live in near third-world conditions. You are not going to be a Rhodes scholar when you eat TV dinners and junk food every day because your parents are poor.

    7) Poor whites seem to have kids every time they screw. They are extraordinarily fecund.

    8) Petty sex offenders prowl poor white areas. It is a sexual hothouse of molestation, teen promiscuity, adult female prostitution, pedophiles. Kids get molested.

    9) Poor whites who manage to say out of jail, off drugs and with no dependents often have no money to leave the place they are born. They simply don't have the gas money.

    10) Poor whites are Anglo-Celtic and the emphasis on individualism means they don't have support networks like Italians or Jews or Asians. Anglo film heroes are always loners like Wayne or Eastwood.

    Replies: @Swithin64, @FvS

    Whites’ greatest mistake? Thinking Jews are white.

  • @haole
    @MBlanc46

    I tell people Hawaii is culturally western.

    1. we speak a european language or a version of one.
    2. We are mostly in some fashion Christian.
    3. Our system of government is from europe or the USA.


    Western culturally can include latin America and the phillipines, the edges of the western world get a little blurry. Genetically Hawaii is something like 20 percent white and about a quarter maybe are hapas, so 50 percent have white blood.

    Replies: @FvS, @MBlanc46

  • Fascism in its inception was a distinctly localised phenomenon, growing out of the specific concerns and obsessions of Italians in the immediate post-WWI period. For example, one of the main drivers in the formation of the movement that is little commented on today was the Dalmatian question. During WWI, Italy had been promised Dalmatia --...
  • @Anon

    Fascism in its inception was a distinctly localised phenomenon, growing out of the specific concerns and obsessions of Italians in the immediate post-WWI period
     
    No, fascism is merely the modern version of monarchy that exists in the absence of a validated nobility. Merely because the various monarchies were / are either neutered or eradicated, does not negate their political requirement. "Fascism" reasserts the primacy of the tribal nation, as monarchy did. Its entirely historical when correctly seen from that perspective, as it was our government for most of our history.

    The movement that then emerged was one with a militant, revanchist, emboldening ideology that emphasised the superiority of the fascist “man of action” as a heroic figure, unafraid of death, and only living through things greater than himself.
     
    Which is an utterly typical pre-Christian hero figure or demi-god. See Hercules, Perseus, etc. These figures were the basis for the gods that later came to rest atop modern religion, and were generally mythologized ancestors whose genealogy often validated kingship.

    Il Duce, as the memes at the time ran, was mobilising the long-dormant power of Rome and recreating the ancient empire of the Mediterranean.
     
    And Jewry is mobilizing the long-dormant power of King David, just as dozens of other new Kingdoms drew on the founding myths to validate their existence. The world over. What is your point? The West today desperately needs a resurgence of a non-Jewish mythological root to found renewed self-affirmation and defense.

    Critics of Fascism claim that “the mobilizing power of such language would be exploited fully by Fascism.”
     
    Not critics. Enemies. They ignore the same language from their friends.

    Ettore Conti, one of Italy’s leading industrialists at the time, was well aware of this failure. In his diary entry for the 2nd of January 1940, he comments on the mood of the country in the period before Italy declared war on Britain and France in 1940:

    “We may well be on the verge of war: but never has a country wallowed in such a state of apathy and inertia: never has Fascism been held in lower esteem by the Italians.
     

    And such sweeping opinions by individuals then have more credibility than sweeping opinions by men today (many being propagandists) because?

    The failings of the dictatorship are now finally evident to all, even to those who had supported it in good faith…
     
    This could be a statement from any communist actor in the USA in 2017, amidst communism's constant offensive against Trump.

    How is this innately-less-contextualized historical statement from a man in the 1940's more credible compared to similar statement's by propagandists of today?

    The inevitable whittling down of all contextual factors, with the passage of time and recorded history, does not lend historical statements more credibility than modern statements that seem to run parallel to them but that have serious credibility issues in light of modern clear contextual factors.


    The gradual but constant worsening of the quality of leadership, the insolence of the officials in every branch. the spread of profiteering combined with the most idiotic constraints imposed on every aspect of private life have turned the Italians into an amorphous herd that has no sense of will, of faith or inspiration. And with this country in this state, they want to take us to war.
     
    Said the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, etc.

    Conti’s misgivings were borne out in the events that followed. Italy’s “heroic” Fascist army was given a severe drubbing by the lowly Greeks, while in Africa, its large forces in Libya and Abyssinia were rounded up by British forces that they greatly outnumbered.
     
    These events still do not lend credibility to sweeping statements about the supposed morale and perspectives of the Italian people.

    Many Germans, and nationalist the world over, would rather die than turncoat in spirit and politics and live (which is essentially giving into something worse than death). I doubt that deep spirit has changed much between generations, unless the Italians are a different breed. To state as much would be racist.


    Rather than living one day as a lion instead of a thousand years as a sheep, the Italian Fascists were living one day as sheep and then surrendering in their droves to the British Lion.
     
    A florid and meaningless piece of fiction writing in regard to their will and spirit.

    The Italian air force and navy fared no better. The Battle of Taranto saw the Italian navy dealt a devastating blow that also reassured the Japanese that a torpedo bomber attack on Pearl Harbour would be feasible. The weakness of the Fascist Italian troops was also a major factor in the collapse and encirclement of the German army at Stalingrad.
     
    Yes, we know who won WWII.

    As a martial code, Fascism clearly and resoundingly failed.
     
    You sound like a Jew or an anti-White negro. "Martial failure", which is inherently based in a particular nation's access to troops, technology, natural resources, and their ability to mobilize all of those to defend their very specific geography, and how all of that stacks up against similar factors for their opposition, has zero to do with the validity of any specific political system. To state otherwise is sophistry. Italian defeat no more invalidated "fascism" than German defeat did

    Fascism being a term that is is so politicized today that it is only applied by enemies of Europe and other resistors of Jewish controlled States. It is never applied to oppressed states that are Jewish controlled, even when apt. See Jewish controlled communist Russia for an clarifying example, whose government is never deemed to be "fascist" but instead is often apologized for.


    The easy way out of this for apologists of Fascism is to blame the Italians themselves, and point to the fact that in the modern era they have never been great fighters.
     
    You write like a sophomore. Not only is your attempt to bait founded on weak ground (see earlier above in regard to your attempt to link the political ideology to fighting factors), your straw-man counter arguments that you are putting into the mouths of your proposed debate opposition are also weak.

    Not only would a discussion in regard to the reasons as to why the Italians were defeated not be centered on the supposed fact that Italian fighters were "supposedly weak", the fact that you think that this is what such a debate would look like outs you as intellectually inept in terms of how you perceive war and its logistics.


    But Fascist Italy’s military performance still seems to fall below even this level, when, according to the rhetoric of Fascism, it should have soared high above.
     
    What's that? The 75+ year late equivalent of "you said that you were going to bash my brains in, and my brains are still in my head...so nyah nyah"!

    Again, you argue like a Jew or a low rent anti-European negro. In more civil language, you argue like a propagandist without clever copy but a deadline to meet all the same.

    As I prior stated, self defense and the appropriate politics for it has nothing to do with conflict outcomes: win or lose. Those politics are much more pertinent to the recognition of an existential threat, the will to prepare to fight, the will to fight, and the government during and after that time assuming victory. That's more explanation than you deserve given your silly rhetorical antics.

    Real world logistical, resource, technological, and geographic factors are what matter to victory once the war is on, which adults would be willing to converse over.

    However, you chose to ignore those in order to make a propaganda argument in an attempt to make a bad, utterly failed attempt to degrade any state other than Israel who wants to have an ethnically interested rulership (you know, the de facto modern definition of "fascist").


    The Germans, by contrast, fought doggedly in support of their discredited regime, until almost the entire country had been conquered and devastated.
     
    Discredited how, precisely?

    Conti’s diary also highlights the the insolence of the Fascist officials, the profiteering, and the constraints imposed on private life.
     
    Again, see earlier comments about parallels to modern propaganda. "Insolence" is a bullshit / semantically meaningless accusation based in political hostility (ie: propaganda), "profiteering", as we can view in today's partisan propaganda is propaganda, especially if we would hold both sides accountable for the same charge, and "constraints on private life" are common in wartime but this, in fact, sounds like the typical modern SJW and subversive Jew bullshit that we don't let everyone do everything all of the time.

    It is not hard to infer what was really happening here: a non-meritocratic state,
     
    Read: a state who had to crack down on foreign-group / communist subversion.

    in which position was determined by ideology,
     
    LOL. My word, your writing and thinking sucks. At least edit for positional concision before you submit an article. Ideology is a prerequisite for nearly all meaningful political positions for the party who is in power. Again, your essay is sophomoric.

    party position,
     
    LOL

    and a Fascist form of ‘political correctness’ was firmly in place,
     
    Right, because in a war in which Europe's existence was at stake they should have let political libertarianism run rampant. Never mind that it was and is a vehicle for the very subversion that brought Europe to war in the ideological sphere, with the Red Army to the East as a result.

    and those representing it were clearly abusing their power.
     
    Clearly.

    Wait, I almost moved on. Where is your support for your statement...? I missed it. It doesn't exist? Oh shoot, that's inconvenient. Again, your writing is sophomoric. In the parlance of your peers: it sucks.


    The apathy and inertia mentioned are typical manifestations of passive aggressive behaviour, of people doing as little as possible and dragging their heels rather than resisting outright.
     
    Sure. Because seventy plus years later "apathy and inertia" aren't hack journalist (propagandist) terms that lack the breadth and depth of what is likely endless unrecorded contextual detail, not to mention the recorded detail about the wider conditions in the nation that both existed and led to that moment. Instead, the Italian people were merely apathetic and lazy. Sounds accurate.

    This speaks of a populace tired of bombast and propaganda,
     
    This speaks to narrative that you just invented out of thin air.

    whose main defence was utter cynicism and barely disguised contempt for their leaders.
     
    See my prior response. Cool story though.

    It is easy to see how these feelings would work themselves out on the battlefield, and lead not only to defeat but abject defeat.
     
    Your propaganda style is absurdly unsophisticated. This essay is pretty much akin to a creative writing submission.

    Alright, buddy. I'm about ready for you to bring it home with your big conclusion ;-) Tell us about bad fascism, a conclusion built on your stated narrative house-of-stone.


    For people in the modern, degenerate West, Fascism sometimes has an understandable appeal.
     
    Uh huh.

    Its iconography, which still resonates through the ages, projects an image of strength and virility that appeals to those far from its reality.
     
    Uh huh.

    But history reveals that Fascism has its own degeneracy, one that led to its defeat but also enshrined its glamour in death.
     
    LOL!

    After all of that I knew that you wouldn't disappoint with one last swing for the fences, which resulted in a stylistically ridiculous sentence whose two clauses both fall on their face: the first rhetorically and the second both rhetorically and stylistically, And yes, since you attempted to end on a silly poetically-styled "point", your style is fair game.

    Your first attempted point about degeneracy, which normally would echo a clear point in the essay, doesn't connect with a single thought in the essay.

    Your second clause is a hilariously florid attempt at an impactful concluding statement. A general writing tack that, again, is best left behind in sophomore English class. I do like how you used "glamour" and "death" together though, like your mind is still on the t-shirts at your job at Hot Topic (because sophomore, remember?). What you gave up was any meaningful connection to persuasive writing let alone historical pertinence (even if we were for a moment to allow you your perspective).

    Ron, I respect your equal opportunity editorial policy. However, given its lack of content, letting this essay past the editorial board is a choice that I don't fully understand.

    Replies: @Heros, @ia, @FvS

    Right, because in a war in which Europe’s existence was at stake they should have let political libertarianism run rampant. Never mind that it was and is a vehicle for the very subversion that brought Europe to war in the ideological sphere, with the Red Army to the East as a result.

    Racial libertarianism not political libertarianism, specifically with regard to the allowance of Jewish subversives in one’s country. Incidentally, life under fascism sounds boring as hell, the equivalent of letting the Mormons take over where all that’s left for entertainment is watching the Hallmark channel and playing board games.

  • Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex (London: Penguin, 2004 [reprint of second edition, London: John Murray, 1879]). Western intellectual life today is characterized by a marked schizophrenia. On the one hand, virtually everyone accepts the scientific theory of Charles Darwin concerning the emergence and evolution of the various species...
  • Whether races exist due to evolution or the will of a cosmic being is ultimately irrelevant. The fact remains that they do exist. The question is, do whites deserve to have countries of their own?

    Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity, different races build different societies that reflect their natures, and it is entirely normal for whites (or for people of any other race) to want to be the majority race in their own homeland. If whites permit themselves to become a minority population, they will lose their civilization, their heritage, and even their existence as a distinct people. – Jared Taylor

    As long as whites continue to avoid and deny their own racial identity, at a time when almost every other racial and ethnic category is rediscovering and asserting its own, whites will have no chance to resist their dispossession and their eventual possible physical destruction. Before we can seriously discuss any concrete proposals for preserving our culture and its biological and demographic foundations, we have to address and correct the problem we inflict on ourselves, our own lack of a racial consciousness and the absence of a common will to act in accordance with it. – Sam Francis

  • One of the best-selling nonfiction books of 2012 was Charles Murray’s Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960–2010.[1] It was widely reviewed, including an informative essay by Roger Devlin in this publication.[2] As stated in the subtitle, Murray focused on White Americans, and he saw a growing class divide among this demographic. Paradoxically, by...
  • @jeff stryker
    @Rational

    "SCORN"

    My first real exposure to the white underclass was in Arizona when both I and they were young.

    When the white poor are young, they have no common sense. Many poor young white underclass women are veritable nymphomaniacs whose promiscuity is astonishing-unlike Jews or middle-class Anglo-Saxon women, they never seem to use birth control.

    MacDonald might have a point about the sixties-I saw as much marijuana and beer on campus as anyone else in college at the time but I was astonished how young most poor whites are when they get into drugs. Many of them had been doing cocaine or meth since age 14. And many of them had been introduced to drugs by their parents.

    Crystal meth in particular had a horrendous effect on them. Many of them were out of their minds in Phoenix in 1998.

    I saw several arrested during my time in low-income housing in Phoenix. Seemingly half the young men were on the run from child support.

    Their lack of education was astonishing. Most seemed to have dropped out of high school and had GED's. But many didn't. They simply stopped attending middle-school. They knew nothing of science, history, geography...anything.

    The ones that had been in jail had vaguely Nordicist views. So I would ask them where their ancestors were from...they would have no idea.

    I left Phoenix somewhat shaken. I never had any idea that such poor whites could exist.

    Replies: @FvS, @TKK, @Alden

    Yes, we’re all familiar with your anti-white anecdotes. Poor blacks and mestizos/Amerindians are worse and in greater numbers relative to the their total populations.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    FVS


    Mestizo and black gang members are genuine criminals and cutthroats.

  • @Tom Welsh
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Non-white races have never been a part of American nation".

    Certainly not since the whites virtually exterminated them, no.

    Replies: @jeff stryker, @FvS

  • @TKK
    @jeff stryker

    Agree.

    I represent them in court. Do you know what is grotesquely fascinating? These poor whites have strains of white pride but they are black ghetto in speech, mannerisms and culture.

    They use black speak, call their Gf/BF "boo", they put their gimme caps on sideways, they hold guns sideways gangsta style.

    Even the girls "be talking like they black." But, when they talk about prison and jail, the worst part to them? Being caged up with blacks.

    They never read, have no hobbies over than getting high and getting laid and many will opt for disability and stealing than to working. If I need to know where missing clients are, I use my paralegal's Facebook log in and check their pages. Their statuses are: I be hustling. With the red 100 sign- meaning they are selling drugs and making cash.

    They are so foolish and lost, it is cringe worthy. They don't have a pool of broad education and knowledge to pull from to understand the world other than black rap videos and song lyrics. Talking with them while waiting at times, I have discovered most of them did not have books and magazines in the home as children. They have never attended church or cultural events, even something as benign as a Christmas Carol with Scrooge.


    And the meth habit. I thought about contacting the producers of The Walking Dead and telling them I had a posse of young men and women that would need little work to appear dead. Sores, no teeth, emaciated, filthy hair and clothes.

    And they LOVE that drug. They sacrifice their entire lives for it. Another less publicized fact about meth is that is produces monstrous, deviant sexual urges. I had a somewhat articulate client tell me that on meth- he would f*ck a dude, a 5 year old child, a door knob.

    Here is what we say at the courthouse:

    A crackhead will steal your wallet. A tweaker will steal your wallet and then help you look for it.

    Replies: @FvS, @jeff stryker

    Ah, the wonders of a multiracial society and a Jewish controlled culture.

    The Secret Relationship Between Rappers and Jews
    http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Entertainment_News_5/article_8500.shtml

    • LOL: TKK, Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    There must be some mitigating factors as to why gangster rap is so irresistible to white kids. Why?

    And why are Jewish kids themselves not affected by it. I'm sure they listen to it. But they don't convince themselves that they are black thugs from the hood and throw their lives away committing petty crimes or becoming drug whores.

    Hindu, Jewish, Asian, Muslim kids listen to the same music (Or hear it) and watch the same television but do not want to be gangsters.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @FvS

  • @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    There must be some mitigating factors as to why gangster rap is so irresistible to white kids. Why?

    And why are Jewish kids themselves not affected by it. I'm sure they listen to it. But they don't convince themselves that they are black thugs from the hood and throw their lives away committing petty crimes or becoming drug whores.

    Hindu, Jewish, Asian, Muslim kids listen to the same music (Or hear it) and watch the same television but do not want to be gangsters.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike, @FvS

    White guilt.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    Why don't young Jewish people feel white guilt-since Jewish slavers had fairly big role-and white people whose families were not in the US until AFTER the Civil War feel guilt?

    Replies: @FvS

  • In Studying the Jew (2006), Alan Steinweis’s slim, Harvard-published text on the scholarly study of Jews under the Third Reich, the author laments “the perversion of scholarship by politics and ideology” and its service in the goals of “exclusion and domination.” While some of the anecdotal material presented in the book is fascinating, especially its...
  • @Seraphim
    @Anonymous

    You worry about a million non-whites (mostly Christian Latinos returning to their ancestral places) coming to 'America'? What about the 20 million squeaky clean 'White Christian' -Zionists' who occupied their lands in the first place and put Trump on top of the turd, because he moved the Embassy to Jerusalem, the only 'country' they care for?

    Replies: @FvS

    Imagine if millions of poor whites were pouring across the border into Mexico, insisting on instruction in English rather than Spanish, celebrating the Fourth of July instead of Cinco de Mayo, buying up radio stations and broadcasting in English rather than Spanish, wanting voting papers written in English rather than Spanish, etc. Imagine that these were whites had lower IQs on average and higher crime rates than the native Mexicans. And imagine that some of these whites were muttering darkly about breaking off a chunk of northern Mexico, kicking out the Mexicans and making it an all white enclave. Do you think the Mexicans would consider this a wonderful exercise in diversity and welcome it as cultural enrichment?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K84c7NlZzno
    Video Link

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @FvS

    You don't need much imagination. It happened already. Texas, Alta California, Santa Fe de Nuevo México. The poor whites were so lucky, they immediately struck gold! Wasn't that 'manifest destiny'?

    Replies: @FvS

  • One of the best-selling nonfiction books of 2012 was Charles Murray’s Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960–2010.[1] It was widely reviewed, including an informative essay by Roger Devlin in this publication.[2] As stated in the subtitle, Murray focused on White Americans, and he saw a growing class divide among this demographic. Paradoxically, by...
  • @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    Why don't young Jewish people feel white guilt-since Jewish slavers had fairly big role-and white people whose families were not in the US until AFTER the Civil War feel guilt?

    Replies: @FvS

    Jews aren’t white and play a role in the white guilt narrative due to the Holocaust. Organized Jewry actually uses white guilt as a weapon against whites. I doubt many Jews even know about Jewish involvement in the slave trade. It’s certainly not well known among gentiles, and it’s kept that way on purpose.

  • The Proud Boys could only have arisen in the Trump era. A multi-racial fraternity dedicated to “Western chauvinism” and brawling with the Antifa is not something the Tea Party could have produced. There’s always been an element of the ridiculous in the Proud Boys. They have a distinctive uniform consisting of a black-and-yellow Fred Perry...
  • In Netflix documentary Alt-Right: Age of Rage, Mark Potok, Jewish director of the SPLC, was caught with this on his office wall.

  • The lineup of Democrats who have already declared themselves as candidates for their party’s presidential nomination in 2020 is remarkable, if only for the fact that so many wannabes have thrown their hats in the ring so early in the process. In terms of electability, however, one might well call the seekers after the highest...
  • Foreign policy is important, but immigration should be the number one issue for whites.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Art
    @FvS

    Foreign policy is important, but immigration should be the number one issue for whites.

    If you want to fight immigration – you must confront the Jew hegemonic control over congress – there is only 2 elected officials doing that - Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul.

    Support them!

    Focus –-- niggling over this or that view of theirs - leads to losing.

    You can bet your last dollar that neither of them will become president, while the Talmudic Jews are in control.

    Think Peace --- Art

    Replies: @FvS

  • Thank goodness St Valentine's Day meant there was something to glow about this week. The political news just gets more depressing. I've been trying to hold on to some shreds of faith in our President, but he's making it awfully difficult. This week's fiasco, or Trumpasco, was of course the emergency funding bill out of...
  • It’s do or die time for white America. We can’t afford another mistake.

    • Agree: TKK
  • In Studying the Jew (2006), Alan Steinweis’s slim, Harvard-published text on the scholarly study of Jews under the Third Reich, the author laments “the perversion of scholarship by politics and ideology” and its service in the goals of “exclusion and domination.” While some of the anecdotal material presented in the book is fascinating, especially its...
  • @Seraphim
    @FvS

    You don't need much imagination. It happened already. Texas, Alta California, Santa Fe de Nuevo México. The poor whites were so lucky, they immediately struck gold! Wasn't that 'manifest destiny'?

    Replies: @FvS

    So why ask the question in the first place if you understand why we’re opposed to it?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @FvS

    You lost me. You are opposed to what? To the 'poor whites' invasion of Mexican lands, or to the Mexicans' invasion of 'native poor white Americans'?

  • Thank goodness St Valentine's Day meant there was something to glow about this week. The political news just gets more depressing. I've been trying to hold on to some shreds of faith in our President, but he's making it awfully difficult. This week's fiasco, or Trumpasco, was of course the emergency funding bill out of...
  • @Thomm
    @Truth

    Truth old pal!

    You missed some epic pwnage of the White Trashionalists in the last couple of weeks. Leonidas at Thermopylae would be impressed.

    Here, I write one comment that gets 36 (yes, thirty-six) indignant replies :
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/a-passionate-attachment/#comment-3022720

    Then, a week later, I post almost exactly the same comment, and still get 25 replies :
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/being-marco-rubio/#comment-3035899

    So even the second time, the number of replies merely fell from 36 to 25. That is an impressively long half-life.

    Even better, there is now a contingent of White Trashionalists that think I an Jewish. I need to expose them to those who think I am Indian.

    I have played these 70-IQ Trashionalists like a fiddle :

    Hey, Diddle Diddle!
    The cat and the fiddle!
    The wiggers couldn't decipher the riddle!

    Haha! (my sides, my sides!)

    Replies: @FvS, @Truth, @Ace

    Embarrassing levels of cope. Your post was the first comment, was profoundly idiotic, and then you got BTFO six ways to Sunday. What’s even worse is that you were waiting by your computer for hours until a new article showed up so you could post it.

    • Replies: @renfro
    @FvS

    Quit feeding the Thomm troll. Just click troll and move on.

    , @Thomm
    @FvS

    False. I have an app that informs me when a new article is posted. I am not a low-tech wigger like you are.

    Remember that my time is much more valuable than yours.

    Replies: @Truth, @FvS

  • From CBS News in Chicago: A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don't get video of it? Did Jussie assu
  • @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne, @bomag, @Anon, @Bill H, @FvS, @AndrewR, @ia, @Almost Missouri, @Bill B., @Hamlet's Ghost, @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @densa, @Che Guava, @Kylie, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Colin Wright, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon1

    Brainwashed from day one.

  • Thank goodness St Valentine's Day meant there was something to glow about this week. The political news just gets more depressing. I've been trying to hold on to some shreds of faith in our President, but he's making it awfully difficult. This week's fiasco, or Trumpasco, was of course the emergency funding bill out of...
  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    False. I have an app that informs me when a new article is posted. I am not a low-tech wigger like you are.

    Remember that my time is much more valuable than yours.

    Replies: @Truth, @FvS

    I have an app that informs me when a new article is posted. I am not a low-tech wigger like you are.

    I’m surprised. Judging from the quality of your posts, I would have guessed that you didn’t know how to work a smart phone.

    Remember that my time is much more valuable than yours.

    So valuable that you stop what you are doing to comment right when the new article is posted?

  • @Thomm
    @Rich


    The bottom 20% of Whites is still head and shoulders over the top of every other racial group
     
    False. You are even below blacks. You obviously don't understand the concept of variance. Remember, your IQ is just 70.

    You have nothing in common with successful whites (like me), and are not even really part of the same race (just like feces are not technically part of the human body).

    Someday, you might figure out why successful whites like me keep you out of respectable society, and why white women hate you with the fire of a million suns.

    Remember Peterike's Law, which is :

    "White Trashionalism is nothing more than the bottom quintile of white men getting angry that the bottom quintile of white women are no longer being forced to be with them."

    Sux to be you..

    Heh heh heh heh

    Replies: @Rich, @FvS

    You wish you were white, but your post reeks of Jew.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS

    You wish you were a functional white (Top 80%), but your posts reek of wastematter white (bottom 20%, with a large gap in between the two bell curves).

    Keep in mind if you and your ilk were given land on which to form a country, it would be worse than Haiti.

    If only you had the IQ to figure out why successful whites (like Donald Trump) go to great lengths to keep White Trashionalism on the fringes, and why the movement can't attract almost any women.

    Replies: @FvS, @jeff stryker

    , @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    FVS


    Why do whites here associate every middle or lower upper-middle class opinion with Jews? Anyone who earns in the middle five figures, comes from middle-class suburbs of a major metropolis, is not an evangelical Protestant, has graduated from university, possesses a bright-normal IQ is a "Jew".

    Not that I am defending Thomm. He overdoes with the white trash angle.

    Also, to what degree has high tech helped whites? More whites are unemployed and poor now and the middle-class shrunken since the nineties and Smart phones have not made a single difference.

    Less 3o year olds today can purchase a house than in 1985. What difference does it make if Gen Y males living in their parents basement have a Smartphone and can communicate on social media?

    Technology has DIMINISHED the standard of living since the nineties. How many thirty year olds today can afford a McMansion like they did in 1990?

    Replies: @nsa, @FvS, @Sam J.

  • The lineup of Democrats who have already declared themselves as candidates for their party’s presidential nomination in 2020 is remarkable, if only for the fact that so many wannabes have thrown their hats in the ring so early in the process. In terms of electability, however, one might well call the seekers after the highest...
  • @Art
    @FvS

    Foreign policy is important, but immigration should be the number one issue for whites.

    If you want to fight immigration – you must confront the Jew hegemonic control over congress – there is only 2 elected officials doing that - Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul.

    Support them!

    Focus –-- niggling over this or that view of theirs - leads to losing.

    You can bet your last dollar that neither of them will become president, while the Talmudic Jews are in control.

    Think Peace --- Art

    Replies: @FvS

    If Rand Paul was Ann Coulter on immigration, he could win the presidency.

  • Thank goodness St Valentine's Day meant there was something to glow about this week. The political news just gets more depressing. I've been trying to hold on to some shreds of faith in our President, but he's making it awfully difficult. This week's fiasco, or Trumpasco, was of course the emergency funding bill out of...
  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    You wish you were a functional white (Top 80%), but your posts reek of wastematter white (bottom 20%, with a large gap in between the two bell curves).

    Keep in mind if you and your ilk were given land on which to form a country, it would be worse than Haiti.

    If only you had the IQ to figure out why successful whites (like Donald Trump) go to great lengths to keep White Trashionalism on the fringes, and why the movement can't attract almost any women.

    Replies: @FvS, @jeff stryker

    Keep in mind if you and your ilk were given land on which to form a country, it would be worse than Haiti.

    Yes. Before 1965, the U.S. was worse than Haiti before we learned of the wonders of diversity and allowed our white population to decline.

    If only you had the IQ to figure out why successful whites (like Donald Trump) go to great lengths to keep White Trashionalism on the fringes, and why the movement can’t attract almost any women.

    Do seriously not understand why the (((power elite))) fear white nationalism? Do you not understand that you are just a stooge for a bunch of traitorous scum? What am I saying? Of course you do. As for women, many, but not all, will tend towards political ideologies that are safe and grant social status.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    Ghettos were always bad and those that inhabited them have been here for 400 years. Asians have not made the US streets worse. Hindus are only a danger to engineers.

    The US always had a border with Mexico.

    1965 had little to do with that. It brought more Asians and some Muslims in, but Arab and Indian and Japanese-Americans are not creating internal third worlds in Detroit or Baltimore or East LA.

    Replies: @FvS

    , @Thomm
    @FvS


    Do seriously not understand why the (((power elite))) fear white nationalism?
     
    Nobody fears White Trashionalism. It comprises of the most loserish, inept individuals on Earth.

    Remember, you are not a member of the functional white race. You have even less in common with successful whites than a pygmy in the Congo has with LeBron James or Usain Bolt. Your cowardly dodging of this all-important point is typical of White Trashionalist dysfunction.

    You are part of a defective subrace where the wastematter the rest of us expel tends to collect. The women of your subrace are the fat bluehaired feminists.

    And yes, if your subrace was given land on which to make a country, it would be worse than Haiti. In pre-1965 America, you and your ilk were rightly kept out of respectable society (or send to die in Korea as cannon fodder).

    Get a clue..

    Replies: @FvS

  • @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    FVS


    Why do whites here associate every middle or lower upper-middle class opinion with Jews? Anyone who earns in the middle five figures, comes from middle-class suburbs of a major metropolis, is not an evangelical Protestant, has graduated from university, possesses a bright-normal IQ is a "Jew".

    Not that I am defending Thomm. He overdoes with the white trash angle.

    Also, to what degree has high tech helped whites? More whites are unemployed and poor now and the middle-class shrunken since the nineties and Smart phones have not made a single difference.

    Less 3o year olds today can purchase a house than in 1985. What difference does it make if Gen Y males living in their parents basement have a Smartphone and can communicate on social media?

    Technology has DIMINISHED the standard of living since the nineties. How many thirty year olds today can afford a McMansion like they did in 1990?

    Replies: @nsa, @FvS, @Sam J.

    Because academia, the MSM, and Hollywood are controlled, to a large extent, by Jews. Those institutions are obviously vital to shaping public opinion. As for your other point, the Federal Reserve has played a large role in the decline of the middle class and doesn’t get talked about enough these days. But there are many factors involved.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @FvS

    Brilliant graph. Explains well the runaway hyperinflation. It's like living in the Weimar Republic. Well, almost.

    , @Thomm
    @FvS

    The US has very low inflation, you retard.

    If not for QE, there would be deflation.

    The most recent reading of the CPI was 1.6%. Never in the last five years has there been a reading above 3%. The price of oil fell by half.

    It is funny when a 70-IQ WN wigger tries to discuss a 120-IQ subject.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Thomm
    @FvS


    Do seriously not understand why the (((power elite))) fear white nationalism?
     
    Nobody fears White Trashionalism. It comprises of the most loserish, inept individuals on Earth.

    Remember, you are not a member of the functional white race. You have even less in common with successful whites than a pygmy in the Congo has with LeBron James or Usain Bolt. Your cowardly dodging of this all-important point is typical of White Trashionalist dysfunction.

    You are part of a defective subrace where the wastematter the rest of us expel tends to collect. The women of your subrace are the fat bluehaired feminists.

    And yes, if your subrace was given land on which to make a country, it would be worse than Haiti. In pre-1965 America, you and your ilk were rightly kept out of respectable society (or send to die in Korea as cannon fodder).

    Get a clue..

    Replies: @FvS

    Nobody fears White Trashionalism. It comprises of the most loserish, inept individuals on Earth.

    Wrong. Why do you think it’s always the Alt-Right that has to deal with deplatforming and censorship? There are three things that TPAB want to prevent at all costs: a racial awakening among whites, an end to the Federal Reserve, and a genuine non-interventionist taking power.

    And yes, if your subrace was given land on which to make a country, it would be worse than Haiti. In pre-1965 America, you and your ilk were rightly kept out of respectable society (or send to die in Korea as cannon fodder).

    I have news for you. Throughout most of this country’s history, white Americans were white nationalists. It was almost taken for granted.

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  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    The US has very low inflation, you retard.

    If not for QE, there would be deflation.

    The most recent reading of the CPI was 1.6%. Never in the last five years has there been a reading above 3%. The price of oil fell by half.

    It is funny when a 70-IQ WN wigger tries to discuss a 120-IQ subject.

    Replies: @FvS

    Quit embarrassing yourself. You can’t even understand a simple graphic.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

    I never claimed that the consumer price inflation was high at the moment, although it is for some things and not for others. However, in general, inflation destroys and discourages savings. Even a simpleton like yourself can understand that a dollar saved today is going to be worth much less in 20-30 years. Also, part of the reason that real wages have stagnated is that consumer prices have not been allowed to fall in many cases despite huge productivity gains that would have otherwise made things a lot cheaper for workers. And last but not least, there is a massive asset price bubble and rents are skyrocketing.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS

    False. In a debt-heavy society like this one, deflation is far more pernicious than 2% or even 3% inflation.

    2-3% inflation is better than 1% inflation. 2-3% is the Goldilocks level.

    The chart you linked belies your extremely inadequate understanding of the issue. Among other things, $21 Trillion of world QE has in fact failed to create inflation. Gold has fallen by 40% and oil by 50%.

    Also, part of the reason that real wages have stagnated

    Apparently, you don't know the difference between Nominal GDP and Real GDP.

    rents are skyrocketing.

    Only because new construction is being blocked. Rents, in fact, have plateaued in the last two years.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    Ghettos were always bad and those that inhabited them have been here for 400 years. Asians have not made the US streets worse. Hindus are only a danger to engineers.

    The US always had a border with Mexico.

    1965 had little to do with that. It brought more Asians and some Muslims in, but Arab and Indian and Japanese-Americans are not creating internal third worlds in Detroit or Baltimore or East LA.

    Replies: @FvS

    Ghettos were always bad and those that inhabited them have been here for 400 years. Asians have not made the US streets worse. Hindus are only a danger to engineers.

    Yes, poor people have always existed, but remember which races get all the special treatment and concern from our glorious leaders. No one cares about poor whites except for white identitarians. Scarcity is a fact of nature and more Asians in the U.S. means less everything for whites. And why should an American company hire an Indian over a white American? It is astounding that this kind of idiotic disloyalty is allowed to continue. It’s bad for white Americans, and it’s bad for India for having lost a skilled worker. More diversity always equals less whites as a percentage of the total population. Does Japan need more white people? Does Mexico need more white people? Does Nigeria need more white people? Does Saudi Arabia need more white people? How do you think the citizens of those countries would answer such a question?

    The US always had a border with Mexico.

    Yes, but immigration levels were nowhere near where they have been since 1965.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS


    Yes, but immigration levels were nowhere near where they have been since 1965.
     
    Ron Unz has explained at extreme length that the 1965 act did not increase net immigration from what it would have been. It merely replaced a large portion of Latin American immigration with a smaller amount of Asian immigration.

    He has explained this about a dozen times.

    Replies: @Realist, @FvS

  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    False. In a debt-heavy society like this one, deflation is far more pernicious than 2% or even 3% inflation.

    2-3% inflation is better than 1% inflation. 2-3% is the Goldilocks level.

    The chart you linked belies your extremely inadequate understanding of the issue. Among other things, $21 Trillion of world QE has in fact failed to create inflation. Gold has fallen by 40% and oil by 50%.

    Also, part of the reason that real wages have stagnated

    Apparently, you don't know the difference between Nominal GDP and Real GDP.

    rents are skyrocketing.

    Only because new construction is being blocked. Rents, in fact, have plateaued in the last two years.

    Replies: @FvS

    False. In a debt-heavy society like this one, deflation is far more pernicious than 2% or even 3% inflation.

    2-3% inflation is better than 1% inflation. 2-3% is the Goldilocks level.

    Saving bad, debt goooood. Now spend, spend, spend little goyim!

    The chart you linked belies your extremely inadequate understanding of the issue. Among other things, $21 Trillion of world QE has in fact failed to create inflation. Gold has fallen by 40% and oil by 50%.

    Why don’t you tell us what’s false in the chart. Be specific. Also, expansions or contractions in the money supply are not the only factors that affect the price of a good or service.

    Apparently, you don’t know the difference between Nominal GDP and Real GDP.

    When goods and services get more expensive, is this good or bad for poor people and those on a fixed income?

    Only because new construction is being blocked. Rents, in fact, have plateaued in the last two years.

    Source pls.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS


    Saving bad, debt goooood. Now spend, spend, spend little goyim!
     
    Translation : FvS is innumerate, and cannot grasp why deflation is far more frightening to debt-holders than inflation is.


    Why don’t you tell us what’s false in the chart. Be specific.
     
    That chart implies that the standard of living in 1910 was higher than in 2019. It fails to account for the fact that GDP per capita rose 10x over that period.

    If you don't even know the difference between Nominal GDP and Real GDP, it is not my job to teach a 120 IQ subject to a 70-IQ individual.

    White Trashionalism depends on an utter ignorance of a) economics, and b) history. In other words, a 70-IQ.

    Replies: @FvS, @Non Sum Qualis Eram

  • @Thomm
    @FvS


    Saving bad, debt goooood. Now spend, spend, spend little goyim!
     
    Translation : FvS is innumerate, and cannot grasp why deflation is far more frightening to debt-holders than inflation is.


    Why don’t you tell us what’s false in the chart. Be specific.
     
    That chart implies that the standard of living in 1910 was higher than in 2019. It fails to account for the fact that GDP per capita rose 10x over that period.

    If you don't even know the difference between Nominal GDP and Real GDP, it is not my job to teach a 120 IQ subject to a 70-IQ individual.

    White Trashionalism depends on an utter ignorance of a) economics, and b) history. In other words, a 70-IQ.

    Replies: @FvS, @Non Sum Qualis Eram

    Translation : FvS is innumerate, and cannot grasp why deflation is far more frightening to debt-holders than inflation is.

    State manufactured inflation and state manufactured deflation are both bad for the economy. Deflation caused by market forces is desired. In a world with a stable, market driven money supply, long term mild annual deflation is heaven on earth. Productivity gains mean falling prices due to less labor content per unit of output… Deflation (and the concomitant rising real wage) is the true purpose of a properly functioning economy. The fact that it is the kryptonite of the fractional reserve financial system is a problem for the bankers to solve (or avoid). Unfortunately, the bankers have solved it by inventing the ultimate “end run” in the form of unlimited credit creation by central bank fiat. In this way they impoverish all of us chronically, rather than personally suffering the acute consequences of their folly.

    That chart implies that the standard of living in 1910 was higher than in 2019. It fails to account for the fact that GDP per capita rose 10x over that period.

    The chart implies no such thing.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS

    No. The fact remains that Quantitative Easing saved the economy by offsetting technological deflation, and the world needs to be doing more, not less, of it.

    Most of the QE in the world is done by Japan and China, so you can't blame the Joooooooos for it.



    The chart implies no such thing.
     
    Your comments about your precious chart indicate that you believe such a thing. It only counts inflation, but does not depict GDP growth alongside it.

    Plus, you still can't grasp the difference between Nominal and Real GDP.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Thomm
    @FvS


    Yes, but immigration levels were nowhere near where they have been since 1965.
     
    Ron Unz has explained at extreme length that the 1965 act did not increase net immigration from what it would have been. It merely replaced a large portion of Latin American immigration with a smaller amount of Asian immigration.

    He has explained this about a dozen times.

    Replies: @Realist, @FvS

    The results speak for themselves. Try paying attention to reality every once in a while.
    https://cis.org/Report/Legacy-1965-Immigration-Act

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS

    Hey, I am just conveying what Ron Unz explained in detail. You obviously don't have the balls to disagree with him head on.

    But he says that the 1965 Act greatly reduced Hispanic immigration and replaced it with a much smaller amount of Asian immigration, resulting in lower total immigration.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    No. The fact remains that Quantitative Easing saved the economy by offsetting technological deflation, and the world needs to be doing more, not less, of it.

    Most of the QE in the world is done by Japan and China, so you can't blame the Joooooooos for it.



    The chart implies no such thing.
     
    Your comments about your precious chart indicate that you believe such a thing. It only counts inflation, but does not depict GDP growth alongside it.

    Plus, you still can't grasp the difference between Nominal and Real GDP.

    Replies: @FvS

    No. The fact remains that Quantitative Easing saved the economy by offsetting technological deflation, and the world needs to be doing more, not less, of it.

    Boy, are you going to be in for a rude awakening. All QE achieved was a doping of the horse. If you think our economy is on solid footing right now, you’re delusional.

    Your comments about your precious chart indicate that you believe such a thing. It only counts inflation, but does not depict GDP growth alongside it.

    All the chart shows is how the dollar has been devalued over the years. Standard of living takes into consideration many different factors. Pretty simple stuff here. However, I do believe that the devaluation of the dollar has led to a decreased standard of living for Americans than would have otherwise been achieved with more stable currency.

  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    Hey, I am just conveying what Ron Unz explained in detail. You obviously don't have the balls to disagree with him head on.

    But he says that the 1965 Act greatly reduced Hispanic immigration and replaced it with a much smaller amount of Asian immigration, resulting in lower total immigration.

    Replies: @FvS

    Yeah, sure seems like Hispanic immigration was greatly reduced. That must be why the white population went from 85% in 1960 to 55% today, with the majority of the new immigrants being non-white Hispanics.

  • @Thomm
    @Non Sum Qualis Eram


    By that logic, it should be more popular with blacks than it was with America’s founders/framers.
     
    Race Trashionalism is exclusively the domain of a) blacks, and b) WN wiggers, who represent a genetically defective form of white where genetic waste matter collects. These are the only two types of people who see race in everything.

    The founders/framers had nothing in common with contemporary White Trashionalists (many of whom are gay, among other things).

    Replies: @FvS, @Stonehands

    The founders/framers had nothing in common with contemporary White Trashionalists (many of whom are gay, among other things).


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    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS

    er..... you are referring to a time when even Irish people (let alone Jews, Italians, and Poles) were not considered 'white'. Today, under the official US census, Hispanics, Arabs, Persians, and even Afghans are counted as 'white' in the US Census.

    Remember, slavery was the law of the land at the time too. Plus, only property owners (which you would not have been) did not have the right to vote. Remember this - they didn't want you to vote any more than they wanted black slaves to vote.

    That does nothing to prove that you (a 70-IQ wastematter white, who is not part of the functional white race) has anything in common with the founders/framers (who were among the smartest people around, and had provisions to ensure your ilk could not vote).

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Thomm
    @FvS

    er..... you are referring to a time when even Irish people (let alone Jews, Italians, and Poles) were not considered 'white'. Today, under the official US census, Hispanics, Arabs, Persians, and even Afghans are counted as 'white' in the US Census.

    Remember, slavery was the law of the land at the time too. Plus, only property owners (which you would not have been) did not have the right to vote. Remember this - they didn't want you to vote any more than they wanted black slaves to vote.

    That does nothing to prove that you (a 70-IQ wastematter white, who is not part of the functional white race) has anything in common with the founders/framers (who were among the smartest people around, and had provisions to ensure your ilk could not vote).

    Replies: @FvS

    er….. you are referring to a time when even Irish people (let alone Jews, Italians, and Poles) were not considered ‘white’. Today, under the official US census, Hispanics, Arabs, Persians, and even Afghans are counted as ‘white’ in the US Census.

    This again… “White” just means European caucasoid. Irish, Italians, and Poles are, and always have been, considered white. However, that doesn’t mean all whites were considered to be equal. Ashkenazi Jews are hybrids with Semitic blood and are distinctly non-European in their traditions and culture. It was a mistake to consider them white. Hispanics (Mestizos/Amerindians), Arabs, Persians, and Afghans are obviously not European caucasoids. This attempt to rewrite history started with (((Noel Ignatiev’s))) book “How the Irish Became White.” Perhaps you are familiar with him?

    Remember, slavery was the law of the land at the time too.

    Slavery was, of course, wrong, but white advocacy and slavery advocacy are not the same thing. Bringing African slaves to this country was one of the greatest mistakes in U.S. history.

    Plus, only property owners (which you would not have been) did not have the right to vote. Remember this – they didn’t want you to vote any more than they wanted black slaves to vote.

    It’s amazing, you’ve been wrong so many times, but you keep digging yourself further in a hole. It’d be best to cut your losses and run.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @FvS


    This again… “White” just means European caucasoid. Irish, Italians, and Poles are, and always have been, considered white.
     
    False. They were only considered white in terms of voting rights, but NOT in a social and cultural sense. Ask any non-WN Italian, and he will set you straight.

    Remember, in the early years of the country, only land-owners could vote. You would not have been a land-owner, so you would not have been allowed to vote. Get a clue.

    Every leftists (WNs are, of course, leftists) imagines that in their preferred, selectively described utopia of the past, that they would be calling the shots. In reality, white men of the lowest ability were just used as expendable cannon fodder. You certainly would not have been a landowner, and thus would not have been able to vote.

    How many times do I have to school you?
  • India is a confusing place. It is able to send hordes of extremely intelligent and highly-motivated scientists to the USA, yet its city centres are so chaotic that tourists have to pay street urchins to throw themselves into the road just so that they can cross it. The land of the Hindus is pursuing its...
  • High IQ Indians belong in India. Their country needs them badly. As a people, they need to focus less on mobile phones and more on basic sanitation. Luckily, it seems they’re beginning to head in the right direction, though with a long way to go. India remind me of Nigeria. Many of the intelligent individuals leave, and they are the ones that the rest of the world are exposed to. But you cannot judge a people just by their most intelligent. You must take them as a whole, and in doing so, Indians (and Nigerians) are found wanting.
    https://www.healthissuesindia.com/poor-sanitation/

    • Replies: @Avan
    @FvS

    Comparing Nigeria to India is not fair.Because India has the caste system which is a kind of social eugenics not to forget the Aryan migration.India also had many high IQ genetic inflow towards the country.Whether it's the Parsis,Jewish traders,Greek settlers.If Ashkenazi Jews in Israel can make the country have relatively high gdp per capita,India small minority of "Ashkenazi intelligence" if they were to go back can at least make the poohole decent

  • Islam seems to have a retarding effect on pretty much every population where it is practiced. What can be said of Hinduism in this regard? I don’t know enough about it.

    • Replies: @Avan
    @FvS

    What I do know is South Indian Muslim are more financially well off than South Indian Hindus..Jains and Indian Christian I would regard as more intelligent and approachable.In fact,Indians that are NOT hindus tend to be more intelligent on average and less egomaniac.

  • @Thomm
    @Truth


    Wrong again, Sport. The South Indian Brahmins, the most intelligent large group in India, are quite dark.
     
    Careful! Exhibiting any basic knowledge about Indians might get you branded as an Indian by the WN 70-IQ crowd. This has happened to me, Thorfinsson, and DB Cooper.

    But you are right. The idiots who conflate caste, skin color, and IQ have never gone outside into the real world. If the high IQ Indians in America are high IQ because of light skin, I haven't seen them. The typical high IQ STEM Indian is short, dark, and (I think) South Indian.

    Replies: @FvS, @jeff stryker

    The typical high IQ STEM Indian is short, dark, and (I think) South Indian.

    Though, not negroid. They appear to be caucasoid, mongoloid, and proto-australoid hybrids. South Indians are usually thought to be less attractive than North Indians, are smaller in stature, and not very athletic compared to the rest of the world. As some commenters have noted, this seems to have resulted in an inferiority complex, and they try to overcompensate where they can…in matters of intelligence and the pursuit of wealth. This chip on their shoulder is why they get offended so easily. They remind me of Jews, and they practice the same kind of ethnic nepotism to boot.

    Given South India’s population of around 300 million (1 billion India total), the Indian-American population of around 4 million, and the level of immigration/emigration restrictions, I think it’s safe to say that there is significant selection bias going on. Thus, we should be cautious about reading too much into Indian-American performance.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    South Indians joke that Punajbi are unintelligent. Punjabi are the equivalent of Polish jokes in India. There is a great deal of dislike between Punjabi North Indians and Dravidian South Indians, with the former referring to the latter as "Kallu" and the South Indians dismissing Punjabi as crude unintelligent Arabs.

  • @Anonymous
    The problem with Indians is that they themselves follow the whole white is better mentality. So the author is not that far from the views typically held by Indians themselves. Indians just don't like when outsiders talk about it.

    Indians, even very dark Indians who are near black, see themselves as Caucasians. They think they are like Italians just a little darker. Indians who have just a trace of white blood in them will make that their defining characteristic of their entire identity. It is bizarre and very cringey having to see this.

    At their core, all Indians desperately want to be white

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert, @FvS

    You see the same behavior with mestizos in Mexico.

  • @Avan
    @KenH

    Improvement in India have been linearly increasing which includes the toilet revolution which they claim have built 110 million in the last 4 yrs.At least they're conscious about the memes and taking action.Economically India is doing extremely well and the momentum is increasing based on IMF and Worldbank forecast.I say give India for another 5 years.I actually changed my mind back in 2015 when I see recent stats that show Flynn effect in India society.You can see the improvement in HDI and reduction in poverty rate(over 300 mil people lifted out in the last 8 years).

    Replies: @KenH, @Medvedev

    That’s great. I hope their ongoing war on public defecation continues to pay dividends.

    Regarding GDP and economic development, I want India doing well so their people will desire to stay in India and stop emigrating to the West and perhaps some in the West will wish to return home.

    We whites in America and the West want our countries back. It’s nothing personal.

    • Agree: FvS
  • Inspired by an excellent recent post by Anatoly Karlin, I’d like to add my two cents on the controversial topic of race in the ancient world. This is a sorely under-covered issue which deserves entire PhD theses dedicated to it. For now, a few Internet articles will have to do. I would argue that HBD...
  • @Iris
    @obwandiyag

    " Sub-Saharan Africans, despite contact with others and being around the longest, have virtually never done so"

    This article is actually an indictment of the author's IQ and general culture. It is a brilliant demonstration that people who brag most about IQ are often the less intelligent.

    In 1954, Cheikh Anta Diop, a physicist and historian from Senegal studying in Paris issued a seminal work called "Black Nations and Culture", where he produced very rich historic evidence of Ancient Egypt's civilisation having been established by Black population from Nubia.

    His thesis were adopted as the official historic body of knowledge of the Unesco during the 1974 Cairo symposium.

    http://idata.over-blog.com/3/36/75/51/Cheikh-Anta-Diop1.jpg

    His original works, written in French, are a mine of startling and smart deductions. They are highly interesting, a world-class intellectual production. (The English version is unfortunately abridged).

    I have avidly read "Nations negres et cultures", one of the best anthropology and history book that exists. For people like Durocher and Karlin who are so busy insulting entire ethnic groups they have no time to educate themselves, I advise a trip to the British Museum in London, Egyptology section. It is free !!!

    Upon opening ones eyes and removing one's ideological blinkers, one can see without any problem that all Ancient Egyptian characters are black, brown, and other nuances of Sub-Saharan skin colours.

    http://www.francescomorante.it/images_3/104d.jpg

    And no, I am not a black person.
    I am just sickened to see alleged "dissident thinkers" happily play the Zionist game of "Divide and rule".

    Replies: @FvS, @Franklin Ryckaert, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Franz, @Wally, @BengaliCanadianDude

    • Replies: @Iris
    @FvS

    Posting a link to articles to articles refuting afrocentrism, really ???

    Wow, I am impressed, your formidable intellectual effort is on par with this grotesque article written by country-bumpkins.

    Bande de pauvres ploucs.

    Replies: @Truth, @FvS

  • FvS says:

    Durocher – “Northern Europe’s case also fits quite well with some HBD models: a people operating in an environment so harsh that it most selects for certain traits (trust and adherence-to-values especially, but also intelligence), while also retarding civilizational development. No contradiction there.”

    It’s amazing that this is so hard for some people to grasp.

  • @Iris
    @FvS

    Posting a link to articles to articles refuting afrocentrism, really ???

    Wow, I am impressed, your formidable intellectual effort is on par with this grotesque article written by country-bumpkins.

    Bande de pauvres ploucs.

    Replies: @Truth, @FvS

    Afrocentrists are a joke, and Diop is the father of Afrocentrism. Barely worth any effort at all.

  • Some people just can’t handle the truth. Case in point: America’s Jewish Establishment and the Shabbat goys on their payroll, who are all squealing like stuck pigs in response to Rep. Ilhan Omar’s pointed remarks about Jewish-Zionist power. I wrote about Rep. Omar’s first (February 10) Twitter outrage in the new issue of Crescent Magazine:...
  • @Colin Wright
    It's kind of amusing to look at Omar's photo and realize this is the only person in Congress who's got a pair.

    Replies: @Sean, @Talha, @FvS, @Nicolás Palacios, @Ximenes, @DavidXX

    She’s a non-white, Muslim woman which means she’s given much more leeway than a white person would be.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @Anon
    @FvS

    Omar is here because the Hebes taught us Goodwhites that we have to save all the precious Africans for Jewsus! (Acts 8:26-40) And elevate them into positions of leadership. (Acts 13:1) Unfortunately, we're discovering that magic Jewsus is as effective at transforming Africans into Americans as magic dirt.

    , @Kevin Barrett
    @FvS

    So far she seems to be getting more leeway than Steve King. But she is 100% on the money while King is barely 50%—he is too cowardly to call out the Zionists. My article on King: http://americanfreepress.net/congressman-vilified-for-comments/

    Replies: @RobinG, @mr meener

    , @Colin Wright
    @FvS

    'She’s a non-white, Muslim woman which means she’s given much more leeway than a white person would be.'

    It would be nice if that were so, but I fear the opposite is proving to be the case.

    Do a Google search: the hammer is coming down. This is completely unacceptable.

    Replies: @FvS, @RadicalCenter

    , @ben sampson
    @FvS

    really!!! how in the hell so?

    all she did was her job..and the rest are not doing theirs..all in the congress. and there are all sorts in there.
    maybe if they all do their jobs this would not be such a big thing. who the hell is stopping them from doing their jobs?

    , @SBaker
    @FvS

    I certainly don't consider Israel an ally, but make no mistake this muslim wench has one goal in mind and that is to extend the reach and power of this primitive political organization called Islam. Their goals are to subjugate the masses, steal their property, and execute those that resist. Furthermore, there are well north of 100 million muslims that are semites themselves.

  • Inspired by an excellent recent post by Anatoly Karlin, I’d like to add my two cents on the controversial topic of race in the ancient world. This is a sorely under-covered issue which deserves entire PhD theses dedicated to it. For now, a few Internet articles will have to do. I would argue that HBD...
  • FvS says:
    @webname
    As what I saw in the Egyptian pictures and some statues, I think ancient Egyptians are partially the ancestors of modern Asian (generally speaking they are shorter than the blacks and whites, their man are somewhat more tanned than their woman so they got two colors in brown). So the ancient Egyptian history would be somehow like: those ancient Egyptians lost their land and dominance to their neighbor Caucasians who inherit their Egypt, so they have to leave Africa and find a new home which is Asia where they also find their yellow relatives who arrived and settled earlier. This explains why some ancient Chinese bronze are made by the middle east materials, there are other thread: both two ancient cultures handwrites from up to down then right to left, dress in white during funerals, Chinese record about the ancient king before the first emperor march to the west for months and and years for an ancestor worship trip etc., there are many other traits could be found in a book I don't know how to translate 《跨越三千年的因缘:揭示华夏文明起源的惊天秘密》.

    Replies: @FvS

    This is an interesting theory. Maybe the ancient Egyptians (talking Early Dynastic and Old Kingdom) were some kind of proto-mongoloid group or even related to the Dravidians of India (who may have been dark-skinned caucasoids, mongoloids, or both themselves). Only caucasoid and mongoloid types seem have built any civilizations of note. And of course, in the Americas, we see pyramid building, use of hieroglyphics, and worship of similar gods to those in Egypt. Who knows if any of it is true, but it’s fun to think about. Or maybe they were all negroids, stretching from ancient Egypt to ancient Greece, ancient China and Mesoamerica.

    Said to be the first pharaoh of Egypt

    The pharaoh Khufu

    Olmec colossal heads and art found in the Americas

  • Some people just can’t handle the truth. Case in point: America’s Jewish Establishment and the Shabbat goys on their payroll, who are all squealing like stuck pigs in response to Rep. Ilhan Omar’s pointed remarks about Jewish-Zionist power. I wrote about Rep. Omar’s first (February 10) Twitter outrage in the new issue of Crescent Magazine:...
  • @Colin Wright
    @FvS

    'She’s a non-white, Muslim woman which means she’s given much more leeway than a white person would be.'

    It would be nice if that were so, but I fear the opposite is proving to be the case.

    Do a Google search: the hammer is coming down. This is completely unacceptable.

    Replies: @FvS, @RadicalCenter

    If a white person says what she is saying, they get branded a Nazi and disavowed immediately. She actually has public support from some Democrat politicians and constituency.

    • Replies: @Grace Poole
    @FvS


    If a white person says what she is saying, they get branded a Nazi . . .
     
    . . . which puts "Nazi" in a whole new light.

    Keep it up.

    Truth is leaking out all over.

    Replies: @Iris

  • White liberals can be maddening. They proceed through life happily proclaiming their devotion to progressivism, completely oblivious to the brewing demographic dangers on the horizon. Indeed, most polls show them doubling down on their beliefs in the era of Donald Trump. If you try to warn them, they will stare at you blankly. If you...
  • Imagine you switched the populations of Mexico and Japan but left the laws and government the same. Do the countries stay the same? As the population of Central Americans increases in the U.S., the U.S. will become more and more like the countries where this replacement population came from. No sane White American should want the U.S. to become just another Latin American ****hole.

  • The following is a translation of the summary of Jean-Yves Le Gallou’s speech at the third Fête du Pays Réel (Festival of the Real Country), held on March 30. This is a useful summary both of some of the dubious claims of the French mainstream media on immigration and of the known facts. [center/] If...
  • @Corvinus
    "If disinformation is extremely widespread, immigration is surely the area in which it is strongest, notably on the question of the great replacement."

    Well, Mr. Durocher, let us look at this "great replacement" in the United States from the perspective of WASPs, the true Heritage Americans. They built America. How can we argue with that historical reality?

    Therefore it is tragic that WASP redoubts were subsequently overrun by foul-mouthed, parasitic louts from Eastern and Southern Europe in the late 1800 and early 1900's. The 1924 Quota Act was a long-waited panacea to reign in such an odious creature, a wonderful piece of legislation that would make Hans F.K. Gunther proud. See, the simple fact of the matter, from the WASP point of view, is that the Eastern/Southern Europeans are infected with the “chosenite” virus. Stellar at patronizing, but not so much at moral consistency and applying to themselves the standards they demand of others.

    Face it, the Poles were especially notorious for being dirty, disease-ridden papists. The Italians bred like rabbits, lived in cramped quarters, and would not even bat an eyelash to bash in someone’s skull for a plug nickel. Yet, here we are with millions of them in the United States currently claiming they were historically embraced by their WASP counterparts because they were “white” and “European”, while simultaneously denying opportunities that their forefathers and foremothers received. Nostalgia has a funny way of distorting what truly went on in the past. WASPs were absolutely correct in connecting these particular groups with their own unique “proboscis” instinct. It is an absolute shame that the aforementioned legislation unfortunately failed miserably in its purpose and intention.

    Again, from the WASP angle, Owen Benjamin noted in one of his recent, heroic Internet videos that the 1828 Websters Dictionary defined what is Heritage American—A native of America; originally applied to the aboriginals, or copper-colored races, found here by the Europeans; but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America. “Now applied” is the operative phrase here. So many advocates of the Alt Right use the cudgel as "they must go back" for the various blacks and browns and yellows who entered our shores since 1965...when in reality their own ancestors ought not be here, if they apply their own logic to themselves!

    Alt Right guru Vox Day assuredly champions the WASP cause–Europeans, most notably the **Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish**, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people, in particular Alt Right leaders, whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s, today claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups** in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups** have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    Of course, it needs to be mentioned here, from the WASP lens, that Eastern and Southern Europeans do not think like them. The mind of those groups individually and collectively is numbingly simplistic in brain structure. They lack the distinct ability to understand individual justice, or even have a conscience for that matter. Italians especially are notorious for having a completely different neurological reality, different even in matters of soul.
 This source makes it self-evident.

    https://reimaginingmigration.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ItalianPopulationMascott1888.jpg

    In the end, the Constitution was meant secure the rights of Englishmen. These principles only apply to this particular group of people, since the non-English–meaning white Europeans–lack the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend its ideals. So those American citizens born in Portugal or in Poland or in Serbia or in Bulgaria are other than American. They pushed out the WASPs while eagerly putting their out snout in the trough that they simply did not built.

    Again, that would be the WASP perspective. So many people have to go back. Would you not agree, Mr. Durocher?

    Replies: @Zumbuddi, @Guillaume Durocher, @SunBakedSuburb, @FvS

    I’d take Southern and Eastern Europeans over Mexicans any day of the week, you D&C Jew. Most Mexicans and Central Americans are half-breed savages.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_Americans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_Americans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_Americans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_Americans

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "I’d take Southern and Eastern Europeans over Mexicans any day of the week, you D&C Jew."

    I'm goy, pure goy. So, if you are choosing those groups, then it would appear you are in favor of the proposition nation.

    Replies: @FvS

  • @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "I’d take Southern and Eastern Europeans over Mexicans any day of the week, you D&C Jew."

    I'm goy, pure goy. So, if you are choosing those groups, then it would appear you are in favor of the proposition nation.

    Replies: @FvS

    Of white Europeans, as intended. Notice how it doesn’t say “free white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.”

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @FvS

    1. I've managed to locate a recent photo of the individual often known as "Cognitively-Crippled Corvinus."

    https://i.postimg.cc/VsxqsyYS/I-m-Goy-Honest.jpg

    Looks huwhyte to me!

    2. Corvinus is promoting a variant of the "Irish used to be Negroes, then they magically morphed into Whites" trope -- a long-discredited semitic canard first introduced by the notorious anti-White (((Noel Ignatiev))).

    https://i.postimg.cc/PrnS3vvF/Irish-White-Ignatiev.jpg

    The narrative purpose of Ignatiev's comically-counterfactual canard was a combination of
    -standard semitic D & C tactics
    -promoting the underlying "race is a social construct" false meme, since the Irish and English are quite similar genetically, but divided by religion and culture.

    Ignatiev was best known for his inveterate promotion of virulent, genocidal anti-White hate propaganda throughout his academic career.

    Ignatiev typically deployed the "My Fellow White People" trope in a similar manner to Corvinus' feeble, flailing, failed efforts at crypsis -- otherwise known as

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Aggressive_mimicry

    https://i.postimg.cc/gkby6pHJ/Ignatiev-Abolish-White-Race.jpg

    Here's the Sulzberger Blog making a determined effort to reinforce Ignatiev's patently-ludicrous claim that he is "merely a pathetic self-hating White -- not an outsider driven by instinctive fear and hatred of the indigenous peoples of Europe as the demonized Other... HONEST!"

    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/16/magazine/questions-for-noel-ignatiev.html

    It's there first priority -- right at the top:

    "Q: You're white. Do you hate your own hide?"

    Etc. But Ignatiev's toxic, hate-filled semitism oozes out onto the page, despite their best efforts.

    3. Steve Sailer had a good response to this long-debunked "Irish used to be Negroes" canard:

    "After all, who can forget how just moments after Charles Carroll of Carrollton, perhaps the richest man in America, signed the Declaration of Independence, he was discovered to be Irish Catholic and so John Adams auctioned him off into slavery to Thomas Jefferson?"

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Charles_Carroll_of_Carrollton

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Of white Europeans, as intended. Notice how it doesn’t say “free white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.”"

    Of white Europeans of solid character. Southern and Eastern Europeans did not fit that criteria.

    Are you supporting magic dirt?

    That was the original intention of our Founding Fathers. Note that Benjamin Franklin was markedly negative toward Germans infiltrating America.

    “Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it.

    They were not that intelligent.

    “Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation.”

    He also questioned the "whiteness" of several Europeans.

    ”“[T]he Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted.”


    Is Franklin wrong?

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert, @FvS

  • @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Of white Europeans, as intended. Notice how it doesn’t say “free white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.”"

    Of white Europeans of solid character. Southern and Eastern Europeans did not fit that criteria.

    Are you supporting magic dirt?

    That was the original intention of our Founding Fathers. Note that Benjamin Franklin was markedly negative toward Germans infiltrating America.

    “Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it.

    They were not that intelligent.

    “Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation.”

    He also questioned the "whiteness" of several Europeans.

    ”“[T]he Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted.”


    Is Franklin wrong?

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert, @FvS

    Of white Europeans of solid character. Southern and Eastern Europeans did not fit that criteria.

    Most did. I suppose you could make the case we should have been more stringent in our screening process. Of course, it was difficult in those days.

    Is Franklin wrong?

    Yes, but it seems most of his compatriots did not see things the same way. Again, why didn’t they just limit immigration to Anglo-Saxon Protestants if that was the only group everyone thought of as white?
    What the U.S. proved is that Europeans could put behind them the past divisions and come together in peace. This worked because Europeans are racially and culturally similar, at least when compared to any other group.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Most did. I suppose you could make the case we should have been more stringent in our screening process. Of course, it was difficult in those days."

    Then why were there quotas for Southern and Eastern Europeans compared to Northern and Western Europeans in the 1920's if those groups were of solid character? Why were nativists insistent that the Poles, Italians, and Slavs would "dumb down" our nation if they were injected into the body politic?

    It seems you are supporting the proposition nation if you believe most Southern and Eastern Europeans were of "quality stock" despite WASP protestations.

    "Yes, but it seems most of his compatriots did not see things the same way."

    Interesting. Franklin, who it seems is taking a "race realist" approach, is "wrong". So, in a similar fashion, if white nationalists take the Franklin approach, and their white brethren oppose, then we could argue that "most of their compatriots" did not see "eye to eye", right? Is there anything inherently wrong with holding that attitude?

    "Again, why didn’t they just limit immigration to Anglo-Saxon Protestants if that was the only group everyone thought of as white?"

    Because Congress needed cheap labor to work in the factories. And once the Irish and the Italians and the Poles came knocking down our doors, and set up shop in the States, nativists found out the true nature of those groups.

    "What the U.S. proved is that Europeans could put behind them the past divisions and come together in peace."

    At the expense of WASP culture. Remember, they build up our nation. Why should other groups take credit? Perhaps your own ancestors came from undesirable places, but then "magically" became American?

    "This worked because Europeans are racially and culturally similar, at least when compared to any other group."

    Similar? Not sure about that. Hans F. K. Günther, in his work Kleine Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes (1929), came up with five sub-races: Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean, East Baltic, and Dinaric. He defined each subtype general physical appearance and their psychological qualities including their "racial soul" - referring to their emotional traits and religious beliefs, and provided detailed information on their hair, eye, and skin colors, facial structure, and body type, as well as their typical behaviors. On the lower end of the totem pole, those groups were identified as possessing undesirable traits.

    Furthermore, the Anglo-Saxons were insistent that certain European groups were utterly incapable of understanding republican values. Even Alt-Right leader Vox Day makes the case--Europeans, most notably the **Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish**, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s, today claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups** in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups** have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    You do understand the hypocrisy here, right?

  • @Corvinus
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    "If he thought that Swedes and Germans are of a “swarthy complexion” then he certainly was wrong."

    Wasn't Franklin simply putting into practice HbD race realism? Was he not comparing WASPs, who have fairer skin, to other groups who are (slightly) darker? Why would he make that statement about their skin tone and their relationship to understanding democratic ideals?

    "Eventually all Europeans fit into the traditional immigration lands. The Irish, Poles and Italians have all well integrated."

    So you believe in magic dirt, i.e. civic nationalism. Because did not nativists claim that their ways of life would be swamped by outsiders? How are Catholic Poles and Italians able to assimilate to WASP culture? Furthermore, why were the Quota Acts of the 1920's focused on minimizing the impact of Eastern and Southern Europeans?

    I thought white Europeans were united by their racial identity...

    Replies: @FvS

    Wasn’t Franklin simply putting into practice HbD race realism? Was he not comparing WASPs, who have fairer skin, to other groups who are (slightly) darker? Why would he make that statement about their skin tone and their relationship to understanding democratic ideals?

    Plenty of English are a bit darker. Quite simply, Franklin was not and never has been the ultimate arbiter of racial matters. He certainly did not mind the French at all.

    So you believe in magic dirt, i.e. civic nationalism. Because did not nativists claim that their ways of life would be swamped by outsiders? How are Catholic Poles and Italians able to assimilate to WASP culture? Furthermore, why were the Quota Acts of the 1920’s focused on minimizing the impact of Eastern and Southern Europeans?

    Because the United States was ethnically and religiously diverse from the start and didn’t have centuries of history, the ability to welcome many different European sub-races and ethnic groups was not nearly as difficult as it would have been in had something similar been tried in an established European country. Sure, there was some resistance to welcoming certain groups, but it is currently exaggerated for political purposes. “Civic nationalism” only works when the people in question are racially/ethnically similar and when the experimental country is in its infancy. Surely, you understand that an Italian has more racially/culturally in common with a Norwegian than they do with an American Indian, Asian, African, or Arab? And before we get into a debate about the racial make-up of Italians, let me assure you that the Berber gene marker is found in a very low percentage.

    Regardless, this idea that we must let Mexicans conquer the United States because we let Italians immigrate in the past is completely ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Plenty of English are a bit darker."

    But they were English.

    "Quite simply, Franklin was not and never has been the ultimate arbiter of racial matters."

    Why not? Was he not a wise man on a number of different fronts? What is your argument that he was not employing "race realism"?

    Although, using your own logic, if Franklin was not this "ultimate arbiter", then the Sailers and Derbyshires and Vox Days of the world are also not the "exclusive keepers" of racial matters.

    "He certainly did not mind the French at all."

    Are not masculine men entitled to a guilty pleasure here and there?

    "Because the United States was ethnically and religiously diverse from the start..."

    Wait, what? America...ethnically and religiously....DIVERSE? You do realize you are engaging in heresy on this blog, right?

    "European sub-races"

    Which are?

    and ethnic groups was not nearly as difficult as it would have been in had something similar been tried in an established European country. Sure, there was some resistance to welcoming certain groups, but it is currently exaggerated for political purposes.

    "“Civic nationalism” only works when the people in question are racially/ethnically similar and when the experimental country is in its infancy."

    Since when? Who has made this case that the values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights only "work" for "like peoples"?

    "Surely, you understand that an Italian has more racially/culturally in common with a Norwegian..."

    Not according to the Italian or Norwegian, and assuredly not to the nativist! Besides, why would WASPs make concerted efforts to paint Italians, for example, as NOT having a number of things in common?

    "And before we get into a debate about the racial make-up of Italians, let me assure you that the Berber gene marker is found in a very low percentage."

    Regardless of their "gene marker", Italians were considered on the low end of the European ethnic totem pole and were considered to be "rats" that ought to be "drowned". Of course, I do not feel that way, but that was the sentiment at the time. Were people in error for such harsh attitudes? Refer to the "Mascot" visual.

    https://thereformedbroker.com/2017/01/29/to-my-jewish-irish-asian-and-italian-friends/

    "Regardless, this idea that we must let Mexicans conquer the United States because we let Italians immigrate in the past is completely ridiculous."

    Except Mexicans aren't "conquering" anyone. Although, did not the WASPs feel similarly about non-WASPs? So why should we give a free pass to their ancestors if it was believed that they would hasten the demise of our WASP created nation?

    Do you believe in magic dirt?

    Replies: @jeff stryker, @FvS

    , @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    FvS


    Italians interacted with Native Americans far better than Norwegians did.

    Norwegians fought a few Natives in Canada, kidnapped some squaws and got chased away by the Skraelings.

    Replies: @Lo

  • In case anyone is interested, this is what the National Socialists thought about who was to be considered “Aryan.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    LOL, you are getting bamboozled.

    Wikipedia...

    "Benito Mussolini viewed the Slavic race as inferior and barbaric. He identified the Yugoslavs (Croats) as a threat to Italy and he viewed them as competitors over the region of Dalmatia, which was claimed by Italy, and he claimed that the threat rallied Italians together at the end of World War I: "The danger of seeing the Jugo-Slavians settle along the whole Adriatic shore had caused a bringing together in Rome of the cream of our unhappy regions. Students, professors, workmen, citizens—representative men—were entreating the ministers and the professional politicians".

    "Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party regarded Slavic countries (especially Poland, Russia, and Serbia) and their peoples as non-Aryan Untermenschen (subhumans), they were deemed to be foreign nations that could not be considered part of the Aryan master race. There were exceptions for some minorities in these states which were deemed by the Nazis to be the descendants of ethnic German settlers and not Slavs who were willing to be Germanized. Hitler considered the Slavs to be inferior, because the Bolshevik Revolution had put the Jews in power over the mass of Slavs, who were, by his own definition, incapable of ruling themselves but were instead being ruled by Jewish masters."

    Replies: @anon, @FvS

  • FvS says:
    @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Plenty of English are a bit darker."

    But they were English.

    "Quite simply, Franklin was not and never has been the ultimate arbiter of racial matters."

    Why not? Was he not a wise man on a number of different fronts? What is your argument that he was not employing "race realism"?

    Although, using your own logic, if Franklin was not this "ultimate arbiter", then the Sailers and Derbyshires and Vox Days of the world are also not the "exclusive keepers" of racial matters.

    "He certainly did not mind the French at all."

    Are not masculine men entitled to a guilty pleasure here and there?

    "Because the United States was ethnically and religiously diverse from the start..."

    Wait, what? America...ethnically and religiously....DIVERSE? You do realize you are engaging in heresy on this blog, right?

    "European sub-races"

    Which are?

    and ethnic groups was not nearly as difficult as it would have been in had something similar been tried in an established European country. Sure, there was some resistance to welcoming certain groups, but it is currently exaggerated for political purposes.

    "“Civic nationalism” only works when the people in question are racially/ethnically similar and when the experimental country is in its infancy."

    Since when? Who has made this case that the values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights only "work" for "like peoples"?

    "Surely, you understand that an Italian has more racially/culturally in common with a Norwegian..."

    Not according to the Italian or Norwegian, and assuredly not to the nativist! Besides, why would WASPs make concerted efforts to paint Italians, for example, as NOT having a number of things in common?

    "And before we get into a debate about the racial make-up of Italians, let me assure you that the Berber gene marker is found in a very low percentage."

    Regardless of their "gene marker", Italians were considered on the low end of the European ethnic totem pole and were considered to be "rats" that ought to be "drowned". Of course, I do not feel that way, but that was the sentiment at the time. Were people in error for such harsh attitudes? Refer to the "Mascot" visual.

    https://thereformedbroker.com/2017/01/29/to-my-jewish-irish-asian-and-italian-friends/

    "Regardless, this idea that we must let Mexicans conquer the United States because we let Italians immigrate in the past is completely ridiculous."

    Except Mexicans aren't "conquering" anyone. Although, did not the WASPs feel similarly about non-WASPs? So why should we give a free pass to their ancestors if it was believed that they would hasten the demise of our WASP created nation?

    Do you believe in magic dirt?

    Replies: @jeff stryker, @FvS

    But they were English.

    Yes, but among the English you have Anglo-Saxons, Normans, and the more ancient British types. Different sub-races. So, many English are non-white by Franklin’s own definition.

    Why not? Was he not a wise man on a number of different fronts? What is your argument that he was not employing “race realism”?

    He was employing race realism in that he understood there are different European caucasoid sub-races. However, as history has shown, the term white was used to mean all European caucasoids. Why can’t you get it through your skull that the 1790 Naturalization Act did not limit citizenship to Anglo-Saxon Protestants? Clearly, not everyone in the government sided with Benjamin Franklin.

    Although, using your own logic, if Franklin was not this “ultimate arbiter”, then the Sailers and Derbyshires and Vox Days of the world are also not the “exclusive keepers” of racial matters.

    Never said they were. In the end, it is a matter of some subjectivity as to which European caucasoid sub-races should be included under the “white” label. I, and many others, prefer to include all of them. That doesn’t mean they are all equal.

    Wait, what? America…ethnically and religiously….DIVERSE? You do realize you are engaging in heresy on this blog, right?

    There were English, Scotts, Irish, Germans, French, Dutch, etc. in the U.S. from the start. There were also Protestants, Protestant offshoots (Quakers), and Catholics.

    Which are?

    I’ll include at bottom of reply.

    Since when? Who has made this case that the values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights only “work” for “like peoples”?

    The modern United States proves this, with all its hostile groups. Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Asians, and Muslims all pursue their own groups interests at the expense of whites and each other. There have also been many studies on how diversity lowers social trust and creates conflict. I can link if you wish. The negative effects of multiculturalism and racial diversity are exacerbated the more racially and culturally different the groups in question are. Again, Europeans are more racially and culturally similar to each other than to anyone else. This should be so obvious that I don’t even know why I need to say it. That it why the civic nationalist experiment in the United States, despite some speed bumps, worked so well for so long. Whites are also better able to adhere to abstract ideals, have high IQs, and are more socially courteous.

    Not according to the Italian or Norwegian, and assuredly not to the nativist! Besides, why would WASPs make concerted efforts to paint Italians, for example, as NOT having a number of things in common?

    Are Englishman more racially and culturally similar to Italians, Saudi Arabians, Kenyans, Japanese, or Hondurans?

    Regardless of their “gene marker”, Italians were considered on the low end of the European ethnic totem pole and were considered to be “rats” that ought to be “drowned”. Of course, I do not feel that way, but that was the sentiment at the time. Were people in error for such harsh attitudes? Refer to the “Mascot” visual.

    How widespread were these attitudes, and how did they compare to attitudes towards non-Europeans? Here’s an interesting little record of crimes committed by various ethnic groups in the U.S. Even back then, we can see that Mexicans were more crime prone than anyone else.

    Except Mexicans aren’t “conquering” anyone. Although, did not the WASPs feel similarly about non-WASPs? So why should we give a free pass to their ancestors if it was believed that they would hasten the demise of our WASP created nation?

    They literally are, through immigration (legal and illegal) and breeding. Soon, they will have retaken all the territory they lost after the Mexican-American war. The scale of the mestizo invasion from the South dwarfs anything the nativist WASPs feared from the other Europeans. The numbers aren’t even comparable. Most importantly, the vast majority of Mexicans and Central Americans are non-white mutts who have their own strange fusion of Spanish and Amerindian culture. They are much, much worse than Italians ever were. Many of them worship some kind of death goddess named Santa Muerte.

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    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    FvS


    Italians might be a little more macho or emotional than other whites, but you could deal with them.

    When I was down in Phoenix, the Cholos seemed like gnarly-looking Indian zombie scalpers.

    In 2003 I drove around Southern Spain from Madrid to Malaga and there seemed to be no similarity between the Cholos I met in Phoenix and the white people in Spain.

    Spain is not particularly dangerous. You're probably safer walking down the street in Madrid than a UK suburb as there is no Chav culture where a bunch of teen cider drinkers of 15 might encircle you in numbers sufficient to injure or kill you.

    I'm actually surprised, as laid-backed and reserved as Spanish seem, that they were ever able to conquer Aztecs and other Indians in Latin America.

  • @jeff stryker
    @AaronB

    AARON


    Italians make better criminals that white trash. That was why RICO was invented. When the capo in North Jersey is pulled over by the police, he does not have crystal meth and stolen property in his car.

    Most Italian criminals are in middle age before they go to prison.

    If you watch that old Burt Reynolds film SHARKY'S MACHINE, where the Atlanta redneck police try to root out a Mob boss, at one point Reynolds rages impotently against Gassman saying "You're from out of state!"

    Replies: @FvS

    WASP organized crime is called the CIA.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    @FvS

    Pelosi's father's connections to the mafia are so well-known that this is common knowledge.

    What is my point.

    Governments and mafias are similar. Sailer noted that.

  • @Corvinus
    @FvS

    LOL, you are getting bamboozled.

    Wikipedia...

    "Benito Mussolini viewed the Slavic race as inferior and barbaric. He identified the Yugoslavs (Croats) as a threat to Italy and he viewed them as competitors over the region of Dalmatia, which was claimed by Italy, and he claimed that the threat rallied Italians together at the end of World War I: "The danger of seeing the Jugo-Slavians settle along the whole Adriatic shore had caused a bringing together in Rome of the cream of our unhappy regions. Students, professors, workmen, citizens—representative men—were entreating the ministers and the professional politicians".

    "Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party regarded Slavic countries (especially Poland, Russia, and Serbia) and their peoples as non-Aryan Untermenschen (subhumans), they were deemed to be foreign nations that could not be considered part of the Aryan master race. There were exceptions for some minorities in these states which were deemed by the Nazis to be the descendants of ethnic German settlers and not Slavs who were willing to be Germanized. Hitler considered the Slavs to be inferior, because the Bolshevik Revolution had put the Jews in power over the mass of Slavs, who were, by his own definition, incapable of ruling themselves but were instead being ruled by Jewish masters."

    Replies: @anon, @FvS

    Should we believe (((Bendersky))) or the primary source material?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Should we believe (((Bendersky))) or the primary source material?"

    Focus on what Mussolini and Hitler stated about certain groups of Europeans.

  • FvS says:
    @Corvinus
    "Yes, but among the English you have Anglo-Saxons, Normans, and the more ancient British types. Different sub-races. So, many English are non-white by Franklin’s own definition."

    Those groups are NOT "sub-races". They are ethnic groups. They had different ways of life. They did not get along particularly well due to preconceived notions of superiority. You are trying to change the historical narrative here to suit your own purposes.

    "He was employing race realism in that he understood there are different European caucasoid sub-races. However, as history has shown, the term white was used to mean all European caucasoids."

    No, the term "white" has been used to describe a group of people who meet certain criteria. It is NOT exclusive to Europeans.

    "Why can’t you get it through your skull that the 1790 Naturalization Act did not limit citizenship to Anglo-Saxon Protestants? Clearly, not everyone in the government sided with Benjamin Franklin."

    It was designed at that point in time for a particular group, but the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to determine for themselves who would be eligible. So, in other words, Americans, in this case white Europeans, thought for themselves, without being labeled as a "race traitor". So American whites can make their own decisions about race and culture.

    "Never said they were. In the end, it is a matter of some subjectivity as to which European caucasoid sub-races should be included under the “white” label. I, and many others, prefer to include all of them.

    Exactly, subjectivity. But those groups are not "sub-races".

    "That doesn’t mean they are all equal."

    Equal in what way? Ability? Under the law?

    "There were English, Scotts, Irish, Germans, French, Dutch, etc. in the U.S. from the start. There were also Protestants, Protestant offshoots (Quakers), and Catholics."

    Diversity at its core. You are also forgetting African slaves and Native Americans.

    "The modern United States proves this, with all its hostile groups. Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Asians, and Muslims all pursue their own groups interests at the expense of whites and each other."

    You will also need to include the aforementioned European ethnic groups as well, because they also focused on their own kind without regard to others. That would be a HUMAN personality characteristic.

    "There have also been many studies on how diversity lowers social trust and creates conflict."

    And with the various European groups in the States, we clearly saw that as well. YET, somehow, they figured it out, along with the non-European groups.

    "Again, Europeans are more racially and culturally similar to each other than to anyone else."

    On one level, but they historically had their gripes and grievances and fought like mad to get to the top of the American political and social hierarchy. No different than other groups.

    "Whites are also better able to adhere to abstract ideals, have high IQs, and are more socially courteous."

    That would be Fake News.

    "Are Englishman more racially and culturally similar to Italians, Saudi Arabians, Kenyans, Japanese, or Hondurans?"

    Despite those similarities, the Englishmen weren't too happy that the Italians came in for gimmedats and free stuff.

    "How widespread were these attitudes, and how did they compare to attitudes towards non-Europeans? Here’s an interesting little record of crimes committed by various ethnic groups in the U.S. Even back then, we can see that Mexicans were more crime prone than anyone else."

    What is the actual source for Table 6? Where did this data actually come from? Who collected it?

    "They literally are, through immigration (legal and illegal) and breeding. Soon, they will have retaken all the territory they lost after the Mexican-American war. The scale of the mestizo invasion from the South dwarfs anything the nativist WASPs feared from the other Europeans."

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

    "The numbers aren’t even comparable. Most importantly, the vast majority of Mexicans and Central Americans are non-white mutts who have their own strange fusion of Spanish and Amerindian culture. They are much, much worse than Italians ever were."

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

    Replies: @FvS

    Those groups are NOT “sub-races”. They are ethnic groups. They had different ways of life. They did not get along particularly well due to preconceived notions of superiority. You are trying to change the historical narrative here to suit your own purposes.

    Wrong, they are distinct European sub-races and ethnic groups, although there has been a great deal of mixing over the years.

    No, the term “white” has been used to describe a group of people who meet certain criteria. It is NOT exclusive to Europeans.

    White means European caucasoid, period. Sometimes the law reflects this reality, sometimes it does not. Arabs and americoid/caucasoid mutts are not white. Is Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state? Is La Raza a white nationalist organization? Don’t be absurd. You fools are trying to destroy white identity by rendering the term meaningless. It will not work.

    It was designed at that point in time for a particular group, but the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to determine for themselves who would be eligible. So, in other words, Americans, in this case white Europeans, thought for themselves, without being labeled as a “race traitor”. So American whites can make their own decisions about race and culture.

    The Founding Fathers would laugh at the idea that anyone other than Europeans could be considered white.

    Exactly, subjectivity. But those groups are not “sub-races”.

    There is overlap between ethnicity and sub-race, but see the previous pic for an understanding of the various European caucasoid sub-races.

    Equal in what way? Ability? Under the law?

    Genetics and culture.

    Diversity at its core. You are also forgetting African slaves and Native Americans.

    Yes, but they were not citizens.

    You will also need to include the aforementioned European ethnic groups as well, because they also focused on their own kind without regard to others. That would be a HUMAN personality characteristic.

    Nowhere close to the degree we see now with the various racial and religious groups that are actively working to destroy the European people and the European identity of the country. The Italians and Irish did not want to eliminate America’s distinct pan-European character because they were EUROPEAN. The Jews are the only old ethnic/racial group that has stayed consistent right from the beginning in pursuing their own interests at the expense of everyone else.

    And with the various European groups in the States, we clearly saw that as well. YET, somehow, they figured it out, along with the non-European groups.

    See above.

    On one level, but they historically had their gripes and grievances and fought like mad to get to the top of the American political and social hierarchy. No different than other groups.

    Yes, it is different. The various European caucasoid sub-races and ethnic groups have much more in common with each other than they do with all the other racial groups and Jews/Muslims. This can’t be disputed.

    That would be Fake News.

    Haha, cope.

    Despite those similarities, the Englishmen weren’t too happy that the Italians came in for gimmedats and free stuff.

    Sorry, I wasn’t aware that the welfare state was as robust back then as it is now.

    What is the actual source for Table 6? Where did this data actually come from? Who collected it?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831353/

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

    No. The numbers don’t lie.

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

    No. The numbers don’t lie.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Wrong, they are distinct European sub-races and ethnic groups, although there has been a great deal of mixing over the years."

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily. Recall that the 1800 and 1900's race group divisions were based on skin color and physical appearance according to scientists, and then divided into white, black, yellow, and red. Then scientists stated there were more gradient subtypes based on other characteristics. Where is this line drawn between “the races"? Does it not lead to a potential fractioning all the way down to the individual? Think about it. Attempts to divide humanity into race has used as few as three, then up to more than thirty. Humans have been migrating back and forth across the continents for over 200,000 years. Genetic traits have been mixed and remixed over and over. So it really boils down to how many races of humans exist depends on your meaning of the word...race.

    If it makes you feel better about yourself or feel more important to insist that there are these "sub-races" like Coded Nordic or Danubian Nordic or Borreby or Tronder or Alpine, go right ahead. It comes down to an opinion that holds little bearing on most white Americans, aka "normies".

    "White means European caucasoid, period."

    No, white may mean Arab or Hispanic or Jew or Persian. It really depends on one's mileage.

    "You fools are trying to destroy white identity by rendering the term meaningless. It will not work."

    Perhaps you are trying to pigeon hole white identity to conveniently fit your square peg. "White identity" may mean something different to me or you. So your shaming and virtue signaling is impotent here. Do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and "white identity", or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    "Yes, but they were not citizens."

    Regardless, Africans and Native Americans were part of the landscape. Eventually, they became citizens, just like Asians. That's how America works.

    "Nowhere close to the degree we see now with the various racial and religious groups that are actively working to destroy the European people and the European identity of the country."

    Except our identity was originally WASP, NOT European, whose identity was destroyed by non-WASPs.

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-anti-immigrants-cartoon-nthe-last-yankee-a-lone-yankee-standing-tall-95499585.html

    "The Italians and Irish did not want to eliminate America’s distinct pan-European character because they were EUROPEAN."

    The Know Nothings of the 1850’s in particular believed a “Romanist” conspiracy was afoot to subvert civil and religious liberty in the United States and sought to politically organize native-born Protestants in what they described as a defense of their traditional religious and political values. The nativists did not care that the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were European; they were concerned that they would forever change their nation’s character for the worse. Now, when you are calling out those immigrants coming here for the same exact reasons as your ancestors, you insist they are incapable of immersing themselves into our society. Do you not realize the hypocrisy on your part?

    The differences between Angl0-Saxons and non-Anglo-Saxons were noticeably striking. Exactly why nativists did not want Southern and Eastern Europeans around.

    Source –> https://www.dartmouth.edu/~hist32/History/White.htm

    “Between 1880 and WWI, the United States experienced large waves of European immigration. These “new immigrants” however did not come from northern Europe and represented a frightening diversity to many. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented as, not one, but many races identified by region (Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic and Nordic) or by alleged headshape (roundheads, slopeheads). Madison Grant, a biologist and curator for the American Museum of Natural History in New York explained in his book The Passing of the Great Race that White Americans, the great race, were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants. Grant’s book was so popular it experienced 7 reprints before WWII. According to Grant, “These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones…The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums…Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them.”

    So much for white unity!

    "The Jews are the only old ethnic/racial group that has stayed consistent right from the beginning in pursuing their own interests at the expense of everyone else."

    More Fake News on your part.

    "What is the actual source for Table 6?"

    Thank you for the link. You do realize that the source you cited states "Whether immigrants were more prone to crime than the native-born depends on how one defines crime. Our ability to measure this depends on the quality of the data as well as how discretion is used in the criminal justice system. This article relies on data from those punished for criminal activity, not direct observation of crime. The foreign-born were more likely than natives to be incarcerated for minor offenses. It is unclear, however, whether this should be interpreted as evidence of more criminal activity on the part of the foreign-born. Most commitments for minor offenses are for things like vagrancy and drunkenness, and arrests and prosecutions of such offenses depend greatly on the choices made by law enforcement officials. These choices will vary greatly across jurisdictions and even within jurisdictions across population groups. Whether these offenses result in incarceration will also depend on the economic and social resources of the offender...By 1930, the foreign-born were less likely than natives to be incarcerated for more serious crimes, as evidenced by their lower commitment rates at every age to state and federal facilities."

    "No. The numbers don’t lie."

    You mean YOUR interpretation of the numbers do not lie to YOU.

    "The various European caucasoid sub-races and ethnic groups have much more in common with each other than they do with all the other racial groups and Jews/Muslims."

    Common in certain aspects, assuredly. But what does Heritage American even mean, not just to normies/the mushy middle, but to the Alt Right? Consider the immortal words of Vox Day --> “So I’m going to make some of you extremely uncomfortable here, because what I’m going to tell you – and this is not going to be comfortable for those of you who are US citizens – a lot of you are not Americans and you never were. Your parents aren’t, you’re grandparents aren’t, because Americans are defined very, very clearly and the United States Constitution was written for a very specific group of people and that doesn’t include immigrants, it doesn’t include refugees, it doesn’t include the great grand children of former immigrants, it doesn’t include anybody except for the sons and daughters of the American Revolution...The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965."

    Replies: @FvS, @anon

  • FvS says:
    @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "Wrong, they are distinct European sub-races and ethnic groups, although there has been a great deal of mixing over the years."

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily. Recall that the 1800 and 1900's race group divisions were based on skin color and physical appearance according to scientists, and then divided into white, black, yellow, and red. Then scientists stated there were more gradient subtypes based on other characteristics. Where is this line drawn between “the races"? Does it not lead to a potential fractioning all the way down to the individual? Think about it. Attempts to divide humanity into race has used as few as three, then up to more than thirty. Humans have been migrating back and forth across the continents for over 200,000 years. Genetic traits have been mixed and remixed over and over. So it really boils down to how many races of humans exist depends on your meaning of the word...race.

    If it makes you feel better about yourself or feel more important to insist that there are these "sub-races" like Coded Nordic or Danubian Nordic or Borreby or Tronder or Alpine, go right ahead. It comes down to an opinion that holds little bearing on most white Americans, aka "normies".

    "White means European caucasoid, period."

    No, white may mean Arab or Hispanic or Jew or Persian. It really depends on one's mileage.

    "You fools are trying to destroy white identity by rendering the term meaningless. It will not work."

    Perhaps you are trying to pigeon hole white identity to conveniently fit your square peg. "White identity" may mean something different to me or you. So your shaming and virtue signaling is impotent here. Do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and "white identity", or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    "Yes, but they were not citizens."

    Regardless, Africans and Native Americans were part of the landscape. Eventually, they became citizens, just like Asians. That's how America works.

    "Nowhere close to the degree we see now with the various racial and religious groups that are actively working to destroy the European people and the European identity of the country."

    Except our identity was originally WASP, NOT European, whose identity was destroyed by non-WASPs.

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-anti-immigrants-cartoon-nthe-last-yankee-a-lone-yankee-standing-tall-95499585.html

    "The Italians and Irish did not want to eliminate America’s distinct pan-European character because they were EUROPEAN."

    The Know Nothings of the 1850’s in particular believed a “Romanist” conspiracy was afoot to subvert civil and religious liberty in the United States and sought to politically organize native-born Protestants in what they described as a defense of their traditional religious and political values. The nativists did not care that the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were European; they were concerned that they would forever change their nation’s character for the worse. Now, when you are calling out those immigrants coming here for the same exact reasons as your ancestors, you insist they are incapable of immersing themselves into our society. Do you not realize the hypocrisy on your part?

    The differences between Angl0-Saxons and non-Anglo-Saxons were noticeably striking. Exactly why nativists did not want Southern and Eastern Europeans around.

    Source –> https://www.dartmouth.edu/~hist32/History/White.htm

    “Between 1880 and WWI, the United States experienced large waves of European immigration. These “new immigrants” however did not come from northern Europe and represented a frightening diversity to many. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented as, not one, but many races identified by region (Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic and Nordic) or by alleged headshape (roundheads, slopeheads). Madison Grant, a biologist and curator for the American Museum of Natural History in New York explained in his book The Passing of the Great Race that White Americans, the great race, were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants. Grant’s book was so popular it experienced 7 reprints before WWII. According to Grant, “These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones…The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums…Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them.”

    So much for white unity!

    "The Jews are the only old ethnic/racial group that has stayed consistent right from the beginning in pursuing their own interests at the expense of everyone else."

    More Fake News on your part.

    "What is the actual source for Table 6?"

    Thank you for the link. You do realize that the source you cited states "Whether immigrants were more prone to crime than the native-born depends on how one defines crime. Our ability to measure this depends on the quality of the data as well as how discretion is used in the criminal justice system. This article relies on data from those punished for criminal activity, not direct observation of crime. The foreign-born were more likely than natives to be incarcerated for minor offenses. It is unclear, however, whether this should be interpreted as evidence of more criminal activity on the part of the foreign-born. Most commitments for minor offenses are for things like vagrancy and drunkenness, and arrests and prosecutions of such offenses depend greatly on the choices made by law enforcement officials. These choices will vary greatly across jurisdictions and even within jurisdictions across population groups. Whether these offenses result in incarceration will also depend on the economic and social resources of the offender...By 1930, the foreign-born were less likely than natives to be incarcerated for more serious crimes, as evidenced by their lower commitment rates at every age to state and federal facilities."

    "No. The numbers don’t lie."

    You mean YOUR interpretation of the numbers do not lie to YOU.

    "The various European caucasoid sub-races and ethnic groups have much more in common with each other than they do with all the other racial groups and Jews/Muslims."

    Common in certain aspects, assuredly. But what does Heritage American even mean, not just to normies/the mushy middle, but to the Alt Right? Consider the immortal words of Vox Day --> “So I’m going to make some of you extremely uncomfortable here, because what I’m going to tell you – and this is not going to be comfortable for those of you who are US citizens – a lot of you are not Americans and you never were. Your parents aren’t, you’re grandparents aren’t, because Americans are defined very, very clearly and the United States Constitution was written for a very specific group of people and that doesn’t include immigrants, it doesn’t include refugees, it doesn’t include the great grand children of former immigrants, it doesn’t include anybody except for the sons and daughters of the American Revolution...The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965."

    Replies: @FvS, @anon

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily… If it makes you feel better about yourself or feel more important to insist that there are these “sub-races” like Coded Nordic or Danubian Nordic or Borreby or Tronder or Alpine, go right ahead. It comes down to an opinion that holds little bearing on most white Americans, aka “normies”.

    On race.
    imgur.com/a/nC8XkSE

    No, white may mean Arab or Hispanic or Jew or Persian. It really depends on one’s mileage.

    Is Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state? Is La Raza a white supremacist movement?

    Perhaps you are trying to pigeon hole white identity to conveniently fit your square peg. “White identity” may mean something different to me or you. So your shaming and virtue signaling is impotent here. Do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    Sorry, everyone can’t be white. Just like I can’t be black or Asian.

    Regardless, Africans and Native Americans were part of the landscape. Eventually, they became citizens, just like Asians. That’s how America works.

    To our detriment, as we currently witness all the anti-white/anti-European groups coalescing against us.

    Except our identity was originally WASP, NOT European, whose identity was destroyed by non-WASPs.

    No, it wasn’t.

    The Know Nothings of the 1850’s in particular believed a “Romanist” conspiracy was afoot to subvert civil and religious liberty in the United States and sought to politically organize native-born Protestants in what they described as a defense of their traditional religious and political values. The nativists did not care that the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were European; they were concerned that they would forever change their nation’s character for the worse. Now, when you are calling out those immigrants coming here for the same exact reasons as your ancestors, you insist they are incapable of immersing themselves into our society. Do you not realize the hypocrisy on your part?

    Not comparable, as I have pointed out a million times. The cultural and racial differences between Europeans are of much lesser magnitude compared to the differences between white Europeans and other racial groups. So, even if the Know Nothings were wrong in their beliefs about other Europeans, it does not necessarily follow that similar beliefs wouldn’t be true for non-white immigrants, especially since they are of different races and non-European cultures. Italian, English, Irish, and Polish racial interests can align because they are all sub-races of the larger European caucasoid racial group. Take the European Union, for example. I’m not in favor of it, but it is holding together at the moment. What do think would happen if you started adding Middle Eastern and African countries into the mix?

    So much for white unity!

    That was back when whites were the vast majority and blacks were segregated. They couldn’t even have imagined a United States where white Europeans were the minority. So, they were still plagued by petty European ethnic divisions. Now, with all the other races added to the mix, suddenly those old divisions don’t seem so important. I guarantee they would have taken Italians, Poles, and Greeks over Mexicans, Hondurans, and El Salvadorans any day of the week. White haters certainly don’t discriminate between the various European ethnic groups.

    More Fake News on your part.

    Culture of Critique.

    By 1930, the foreign-born were less likely than natives to be incarcerated for more serious crimes, as evidenced by their lower commitment rates at every age to state and federal facilities.”

    That’s interesting, except we have to look at the different groups individually rather than lumping all “foreign-born” together. The data clearly showed that Mexicans committed way more major offenses than anyone else. The shysters do the exact same thing nowadays when they compare “immigrants” to “natives” and then just lump all races and ethnic groups together from their respective sides.

    You mean YOUR interpretation of the numbers do not lie to YOU.

    Whites are going to become a minority in this country very soon. This is irrefutable.

    Common in certain aspects, assuredly. But what does Heritage American even mean, not just to normies/the mushy middle, but to the Alt Right? Consider the immortal words of Vox Day…

    What is with your obsession with Vox Day? Notice how he prefaced his argument. That seems to indicate that he knows most of his readers (white advocates) do not share his opinion. Maybe a U.S. that was WASP only would have been the ideal. I disagree, but I can see why some might make that argument. But a country that is made up of multiple European ethnic groups is definitely going to function MUCH better than one that is made up of Europeans, Asians, Africans, Arabs, and Amerindians. That is truth!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "On race..."

    Standard trope written by race realist. Heard it before. It bears repeating, from a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily.

    "Is Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state? Is La Raza a white supremacist movement?"

    The ethnic composition of Saudi citizens is 90% Arab and 10% Afro-Asian. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is ethnically diverse and not represented by one single race or ethnicity, especially the west side of the country, namely the region of “Hijaz”.

    Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race" and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.

    We know that racial categories have historically been based on skin color, some other phenotype, national or geographic origin, religion, or language. Unfortunately, Saudis do not neatly fit into a traditional 3- or 5- race humanity model.

    "Sorry, everyone can’t be white."

    I was not asking for your apology. So, do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    "The cultural and racial differences between Europeans are of much lesser magnitude compared to the differences between white Europeans and other racial groups."

    Not to nativsts.

    "So, even if the Know Nothings were wrong in their beliefs about other Europeans..."

    Not if. Were they wrong? Yes or no.

    "Italian, English, Irish, and Polish racial interests can align because they are all sub-races of the larger European caucasoid racial group."

    You mean they are ethnicities whose racial interests may align due to a common cause. Otherwise, as it has been demonstrated clearly, the Irish, Italians, and Polish in particular were not viewed as being capable of properly handling WASP political values.

    "That was back when whites were the vast majority and blacks were segregated. They couldn’t even have imagined a United States where white Europeans were the minority."

    They couldn't have imagine America as a non-WASP majority, either.

    "So, they were still plagued by petty European ethnic divisions."

    Petty? Hardly. They were downright patently offensive.

    "Now, with all the other races added to the mix, suddenly those old divisions don’t seem so important."

    Indeed, sport. Today's white normies have taken it upon themselves how to address racial and ethnic matters that you find disagreeable.

    "I guarantee they would have taken Italians, Poles, and Greeks over Mexicans, Hondurans, and El Salvadorans any day of the week."

    Perhaps. Then again, maybe not.

    "The data clearly showed that Mexicans committed way more major offenses than anyone else."

    Except the authors of the study offered caveats.

    "The shysters do the exact same thing nowadays when they compare “immigrants” to “natives” and then just lump all races and ethnic groups together from their respective sides."

    So are you saying the authors of the source you cited are "shysters"?

    "What is with your obsession with Vox Day?"

    LOL, not an obsession. Just noting his argument when it comes to civic nationalism.

    "That seems to indicate that he knows most of his readers (white advocates) do not share his opinion."

    Perhaps. He does have a happy ban trigger finger. Then again, a number of his readers have agreed with his premise. Maybe you could dig deeper and try to refute what he is saying. I NOTICE that you not specifically addressing the points I made.

    "But a country that is made up of multiple European ethnic groups is definitely going to function MUCH better than one that is made up of Europeans, Asians, Africans, Arabs, and Amerindians. That is truth!"

    No, that is your opinion. Cope.

    "To our detriment, as we currently witness all the anti-white/anti-European groups coalescing against us."

    How would you define anti-white? Who is this "us" you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared "race traitors"?

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  • FvS says:
    @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "On race..."

    Standard trope written by race realist. Heard it before. It bears repeating, from a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily.

    "Is Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state? Is La Raza a white supremacist movement?"

    The ethnic composition of Saudi citizens is 90% Arab and 10% Afro-Asian. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is ethnically diverse and not represented by one single race or ethnicity, especially the west side of the country, namely the region of “Hijaz”.

    Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race" and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.

    We know that racial categories have historically been based on skin color, some other phenotype, national or geographic origin, religion, or language. Unfortunately, Saudis do not neatly fit into a traditional 3- or 5- race humanity model.

    "Sorry, everyone can’t be white."

    I was not asking for your apology. So, do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    "The cultural and racial differences between Europeans are of much lesser magnitude compared to the differences between white Europeans and other racial groups."

    Not to nativsts.

    "So, even if the Know Nothings were wrong in their beliefs about other Europeans..."

    Not if. Were they wrong? Yes or no.

    "Italian, English, Irish, and Polish racial interests can align because they are all sub-races of the larger European caucasoid racial group."

    You mean they are ethnicities whose racial interests may align due to a common cause. Otherwise, as it has been demonstrated clearly, the Irish, Italians, and Polish in particular were not viewed as being capable of properly handling WASP political values.

    "That was back when whites were the vast majority and blacks were segregated. They couldn’t even have imagined a United States where white Europeans were the minority."

    They couldn't have imagine America as a non-WASP majority, either.

    "So, they were still plagued by petty European ethnic divisions."

    Petty? Hardly. They were downright patently offensive.

    "Now, with all the other races added to the mix, suddenly those old divisions don’t seem so important."

    Indeed, sport. Today's white normies have taken it upon themselves how to address racial and ethnic matters that you find disagreeable.

    "I guarantee they would have taken Italians, Poles, and Greeks over Mexicans, Hondurans, and El Salvadorans any day of the week."

    Perhaps. Then again, maybe not.

    "The data clearly showed that Mexicans committed way more major offenses than anyone else."

    Except the authors of the study offered caveats.

    "The shysters do the exact same thing nowadays when they compare “immigrants” to “natives” and then just lump all races and ethnic groups together from their respective sides."

    So are you saying the authors of the source you cited are "shysters"?

    "What is with your obsession with Vox Day?"

    LOL, not an obsession. Just noting his argument when it comes to civic nationalism.

    "That seems to indicate that he knows most of his readers (white advocates) do not share his opinion."

    Perhaps. He does have a happy ban trigger finger. Then again, a number of his readers have agreed with his premise. Maybe you could dig deeper and try to refute what he is saying. I NOTICE that you not specifically addressing the points I made.

    "But a country that is made up of multiple European ethnic groups is definitely going to function MUCH better than one that is made up of Europeans, Asians, Africans, Arabs, and Amerindians. That is truth!"

    No, that is your opinion. Cope.

    "To our detriment, as we currently witness all the anti-white/anti-European groups coalescing against us."

    How would you define anti-white? Who is this "us" you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared "race traitors"?

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    The ethnic composition of Saudi citizens is 90% Arab and 10% Afro-Asian. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is ethnically diverse and not represented by one single race or ethnicity, especially the west side of the country, namely the region of “Hijaz”.

    If Arabs are white, that makes Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state. And if Jews are white, Israel is a white nationalist state ,and the Holocaust was white genocide. Do you see how absurd this is getting?

    Hispanic or Latino to refer to “a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race” and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.

    Historically, in Latin America, a person had to be 85% European caucasoid to be considered white. I think the cutoff should be higher, but that’s just my opinion. However, if we make all Hispanics white, that would mean a person that was majority Amerindian could be white. That’s pants on head retarded. White means European caucasoid. End of story.

    I was not asking for your apology. So, do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    Hello, Rachel Dolezal.

    Not to nativsts.

    Yes, to nativists. You honestly believe that an Englishman thought he was as different from an Irishman as he was from a Chinaman or a Negro? C’mon. Pull your head out.

    Not if. Were they wrong? Yes or no.

    A little of both. They were right in that there were some definite speed bumps like I said (organized crime), but they were ultimately wrong that it would lead to the demise of America and WASP culture. WASPs have stayed powerful in America all throughout its history.

    You mean they are ethnicities whose racial interests may align due to a common cause. Otherwise, as it has been demonstrated clearly, the Irish, Italians, and Polish in particular were not viewed as being capable of properly handling WASP political values.

    Yes, but how widespread was that belief? Clearly, the Know Nothings weren’t influential enough to stop it.

    They couldn’t have imagine America as a non-WASP majority, either.

    True. However, I believe Protestants have always outnumbered Catholics in the U.S. Could be wrong though.

    Petty? Hardly. They were downright patently offensive.

    Petty in my opinion. Most of it was Protestant vs. Catholic nonsense. I don’t particularly care about Christian squabbles.

    Indeed, sport. Today’s white normies have taken it upon themselves how to address racial and ethnic matters that you find disagreeable.

    Yeah, by committing collective suicide.


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    Perhaps. Then again, maybe not.

    Guranteed.

    So are you saying the authors of the source you cited are “shysters”?

    It’s just a dirty trick. For example, the U.S. has a relatively high murder rate compared to most European countries. However, if you take out Hispanic and black rates, suddenly the numbers are comparable.

    Perhaps. He does have a happy ban trigger finger. Then again, a number of his readers have agreed with his premise. Maybe you could dig deeper and try to refute what he is saying. I NOTICE that you not specifically addressing the points I made.

    Could you be more specific? Just because we let in Italians and Irish, doesn’t mean we have to let in everyone. Italians and Irish are European caucasoids just like the English; everyone else is not (except for the few white Hispanics). That matters quite a bit, as I keep saying. The various European cultures have a lot in common too, whether they admit it or not. Think of it like a civic nationalist spectrum. On the one end you have the nativist WASPs. Then, next to them are the European panethnic folks like me who think that even though there were some problems integrating everyone, it all worked out okay. And finally on the other end are the extreme civic nationalists who think you can bring in any race, religion and culture from all around the world and expect the country to stay united. I reject this, and you should too.

    No, that is your opinion. Cope.

    Our country is tearing itself apart due to conflicting racial interests. Just wait until white identity really starts making a comeback. Going to be fun.

    How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    Wanting to remove whites from power and make them a minority in their own country, among other things. Whites. Some are, most have never been able to overcome their brainwashing and think critically about the subject. Yes.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "If Arabs are white, that makes Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state..."

    LOL, no, it assuredly does not. Saudis are "white" and they are "Arab". A group of white people can display their ethnicity in their own way. We can show our race and ethnicity in separate ways. They are not "one and of the same". You are projecting your absurdity!

    "Historically, in Latin America, a person had to be 85% European caucasoid to be considered white. I think the cutoff should be higher, but that’s just my opinion."

    Exactly, YOUR opinion.

    "White means European caucasoid. End of story."

    Doesn't work that way.

    "but they were ultimately wrong that it would lead to the demise of America and WASP culture."

    Except it did lead to the end of WASP culture.

    "Yes, but how widespread was that belief?"

    Quite popular in the 1840's and 1850's.

    "Clearly, the Know Nothings weren’t influential enough to stop it."

    Similar to the Alt Right?

    "I don’t particularly care about Christian squabbles."

    A number of Alt Righters are concerned. You do realize that, to them, the rise of whiteness relies on the return of Christian patriarchy, right?

    "Yeah, by committing collective suicide."

    Again, that would be your opinion. So, basically, white men/women MUST adhere to your line of thinking, otherwise they are "cucks". That is not a winning strategy.

    "For example, the U.S. has a relatively high murder rate compared to most European countries. However, if you take out Hispanic and black rates, suddenly the numbers are comparable."

    Source?

    "Italians and Irish are European caucasoids just like the English; everyone else is not (except for the few white Hispanics)."

    Regardless, those two groups were considered undesirable.

    "That matters quite a bit, as I keep saying."

    It mattered little to nativists.

    "Then, next to them are the European panethnic folks like me who think that even though there were some problems integrating everyone, it all worked out okay."

    Exactly. Magic dirt/civic nationalism for me, not for thee! I should have known you were an interloper. Why don't you admit you are a hypocrite...

    "And finally on the other end are the extreme civic nationalists who think you can bring in any race, religion and culture from all around the world and expect the country to stay united."

    It's worked out pretty well, if you are honest about it.

    "Our country is tearing itself apart due to conflicting racial interests."

    Without a doubt, we have issues. Tearing itself apart? Don't know about that.

    "Just wait until white identity really starts making a comeback."

    LOL, they've been saying that since Reconstruction! Perhaps each white person in the United States has their own concept of what is their identity, one that truly bothers you because they have the liberty to reject your preferred way of looking at things.

    "Going to be fun."

    Fun, how? Are you prepared to go all the way, even if it means getting blood on your hands? So why wait for this "fun" to begin? Why don't you go on on cross country speaking tour, with soapbox in tow, to spread the word? Do you not have a duty now to "save" your people? That would show your true dedication to the cause. Be like the Founding Fathers who risked everything?

    Could you muster up the courage do engage in such a decisive action?

    Anyways, let's get back to something even more important. Please answer--How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

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  • FvS says:
    @Corvinus
    @FvS

    "If Arabs are white, that makes Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state..."

    LOL, no, it assuredly does not. Saudis are "white" and they are "Arab". A group of white people can display their ethnicity in their own way. We can show our race and ethnicity in separate ways. They are not "one and of the same". You are projecting your absurdity!

    "Historically, in Latin America, a person had to be 85% European caucasoid to be considered white. I think the cutoff should be higher, but that’s just my opinion."

    Exactly, YOUR opinion.

    "White means European caucasoid. End of story."

    Doesn't work that way.

    "but they were ultimately wrong that it would lead to the demise of America and WASP culture."

    Except it did lead to the end of WASP culture.

    "Yes, but how widespread was that belief?"

    Quite popular in the 1840's and 1850's.

    "Clearly, the Know Nothings weren’t influential enough to stop it."

    Similar to the Alt Right?

    "I don’t particularly care about Christian squabbles."

    A number of Alt Righters are concerned. You do realize that, to them, the rise of whiteness relies on the return of Christian patriarchy, right?

    "Yeah, by committing collective suicide."

    Again, that would be your opinion. So, basically, white men/women MUST adhere to your line of thinking, otherwise they are "cucks". That is not a winning strategy.

    "For example, the U.S. has a relatively high murder rate compared to most European countries. However, if you take out Hispanic and black rates, suddenly the numbers are comparable."

    Source?

    "Italians and Irish are European caucasoids just like the English; everyone else is not (except for the few white Hispanics)."

    Regardless, those two groups were considered undesirable.

    "That matters quite a bit, as I keep saying."

    It mattered little to nativists.

    "Then, next to them are the European panethnic folks like me who think that even though there were some problems integrating everyone, it all worked out okay."

    Exactly. Magic dirt/civic nationalism for me, not for thee! I should have known you were an interloper. Why don't you admit you are a hypocrite...

    "And finally on the other end are the extreme civic nationalists who think you can bring in any race, religion and culture from all around the world and expect the country to stay united."

    It's worked out pretty well, if you are honest about it.

    "Our country is tearing itself apart due to conflicting racial interests."

    Without a doubt, we have issues. Tearing itself apart? Don't know about that.

    "Just wait until white identity really starts making a comeback."

    LOL, they've been saying that since Reconstruction! Perhaps each white person in the United States has their own concept of what is their identity, one that truly bothers you because they have the liberty to reject your preferred way of looking at things.

    "Going to be fun."

    Fun, how? Are you prepared to go all the way, even if it means getting blood on your hands? So why wait for this "fun" to begin? Why don't you go on on cross country speaking tour, with soapbox in tow, to spread the word? Do you not have a duty now to "save" your people? That would show your true dedication to the cause. Be like the Founding Fathers who risked everything?

    Could you muster up the courage do engage in such a decisive action?

    Anyways, let's get back to something even more important. Please answer--How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

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    LOL, no, it assuredly does not. Saudis are “white” and they are “Arab”. A group of white people can display their ethnicity in their own way. We can show our race and ethnicity in separate ways. They are not “one and of the same”. You are projecting your absurdity!

    White is a racial designation. Do you understand where you went astray yet?

    Exactly, YOUR opinion.

    Only on how high the European caucasoid percentage should be. I don’t know of anyone in history who thought it should be lower than 85%.

    Doesn’t work that way.

    Yes, it does. A black person is a negroid, Rachel Dolezal.

    Except it did lead to the end of WASP culture.

    No, it did not.

    Quite popular in the 1840’s and 1850’s.

    Not enough, and not when they were writing the 1790 Naturalization Act.

    Similar to the Alt Right?

    This story is still being written. Whites elected Trump for a reason. He ended up being a conman like many feared, but the underlying motivations for his election have only been inflamed.

    A number of Alt Righters are concerned. You do realize that, to them, the rise of whiteness relies on the return of Christian patriarchy, right?

    As long as they welcome agnostics, I don’t really care if they end up being the dominant force. I like Christians, just don’t care for Christian universalism very much.

    Again, that would be your opinion. So, basically, white men/women MUST adhere to your line of thinking, otherwise they are “cucks”. That is not a winning strategy.

    All white peoples around the world are threatened by simple biological extinction due to loss of homelands where we can securely live and breed, competition from non-white invaders, hybridization with non-whites, and outright predation by non-whites. You are either opposed to this, or you are not.

    Source?

    FBI. Do you really not know anything about how crime rates differ by race in the U.S.?

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    Regardless, those two groups were considered undesirable.

    To some.

    It mattered little to nativists.

    It’s all relative. For example, there was never an Italian or Irish Exclusionary Act like there was for the Chinese.

    Exactly. Magic dirt/civic nationalism for me, not for thee! I should have known you were an interloper. Why don’t you admit you are a hypocrite…

    Haha, do I really need to explain it to you again!? Ethno-nationalism for European countries. Pan-European civic/racial nationalism for the U.S., as was intended and had existed for most of our history. Why don’t you admit you are an anti-white racist…

    It’s worked out pretty well, if you are honest about it.

    We live in a globohomo clown world where whites are demonized and about to become a minority in their own country. So…no.

    Without a doubt, we have issues. Tearing itself apart? Don’t know about that.

    Learn to read the signs.

    LOL, they’ve been saying that since Reconstruction! Perhaps each white person in the United States has their own concept of what is their identity, one that truly bothers you because they have the liberty to reject your preferred way of looking at things.

    Most white Americans still had a healthy white identity long after the Reconstruction. It does bother me that whites are not willing to stop their own destruction. It should bother all whites of good conscience.

    Fun, how? Are you prepared to go all the way, even if it means getting blood on your hands? So why wait for this “fun” to begin?

    Hopefully, it won’t ever come to that. I still think there is a political solution and reject violence wholeheartedly 🙂

    Why don’t you go on on cross country speaking tour, with soapbox in tow, to spread the word? Do you not have a duty now to “save” your people? That would show your true dedication to the cause. Be like the Founding Fathers who risked everything?

    Because the internet exists.

    Anyways, let’s get back to something even more important. Please answer–How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    Already answered.

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    @FvS

    FvS


    The 1924 Immigration Act was intended to prevent another Palermo where judges were shot by Mafioso at the courthouse.

    Obviously, the average Italian-American makes more than the average Anglo-Saxon "pine barrens cracker" in North Florida or Appalachian squirrel hunter these days, so my statement is nothing against Italians.

    But the 1924 act was intended to stop the Italian mafia from becoming a de facto government, not Chinese laborers or Irish brawlers on the railroads.

    Also, Polish anarchists did enter Detroit and Milwaukee and one of them attempted to assassinate a president. So it made sense to restrict Eastern European immigration.

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