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    "What would a war between Russia and the USA look like?" This must be the question which I am most frequently asked. This is also the question to which I hear the most outlandish and ill-informed responses to. I have addressed this question in the past and those interested in this topic can consult the...
  • One of the reasons why the cold war never turned into a hot one is because deep down inside the Americans always knew and still know that they are not good enough to fight the Russians. The rest is all a smokescreen. If they really are the greatest military power in the history of the universe – as they claim – why do they need an alliance of 28 against one? Where I come from 2 against one is cowardly, 28 against one is beyond the pale. Give me a break.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Cyrano


    One of the reasons why the cold war never turned into a hot one is because deep down inside the Americans always knew and still know that they are not good enough to fight the Russians. The rest is all a smokescreen
     
    LOL, who was it that "allegedly" backed down in Havana?

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Truth
    @Cyrano


    One of the reasons why the cold war never turned into a hot one is because deep down inside the Americans always knew and still know that they are not good enough to fight the Russians. The rest is all a smokescreen
     
    LOL, who was it that "allegedly" backed down in Havana?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    The Cuban crisis was a limited naval confrontation with no vital Russian interests at stake. To be really, truly a superpower you have to have great land forces. All the greatest military powers in history had superb land forces: Roman Empire, Napoleonic France, Germany, Russia, China. Exceptions are U.S. and Britain whose ground forces always sucked, being able to win wars only against third rate powers. In fact the greatest land war that U.S. has ever won was in 1865, against a limited opposition – themselves.

  • Last week I attended a foreign policy conference in Washington that featured a number of prominent academics and former government officials who have been highly critical of the way the Bush and Obama Administrations have interacted with the rest of the world. Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago was on a panel and...
  • The US is steadfastly marching in the footsteps of Napoleon’s France and Hitler’s Germany vis a vis Russia. The funny thing is that the US is lesser of the three in terms of total military accomplishments, but this doesn’t stop them from fantasizing that they can succeed where the other two have failed.

    They (the US) are also repeating the same mistake which the other two made: If you want to rule the world – you need only one ally – Russia. If you want to fail at taking over the world, you need only one enemy – again Russia. Both Napoleon and Hitler could have taken over the world if they were smart enough to incorporate Russia as an ally in their plans.

    But I guess that’s the whole point of wanting to rule the world – not having to share it with anybody, especially not Russia. That is potentially a fatal mistake.

    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    "Disagree" because I think the starting point for your analysis is all wrong: Hitler had no intention to "rule the world."

    I do agree that Stalin and Hitler had more in common than not: they both came to hate Bolshevism.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    "Disagree" because I think the starting point for your analysis is all wrong: Hitler had no intention to "rule the world."

    I do agree that Stalin and Hitler had more in common than not: they both came to hate Bolshevism.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    You got it man, Stalin and Hitler were the same and only US was morally superior to them both, which allowed them to make a decision free from any influence to ally themselves with the ones they have nothing in common with in terms of culture or shared values – the Russians.

    Your story of Poland exchanging one occupier with another is bogus too. Russia liberated Poland from Germany. Or maybe according to your logic Germany pre-emptively liberated Poland from Russia, anticipating that Stalin would occupy them after WWII?

    If Stalin was equal to Hitler how come the Americans choose Stalin as an ally, when they are culturally closer to Germany, even – or maybe especially – to the Nazi Germany than they are to Russia.

    Americans back then understood – as opposed to you – that Nazi Germany was greater civilizational threat than Soviet communism. To reach that conclusion that one dictator is the same as the next is just totally devoid of any meaningful analysis.

    WWII era Americans were capable of making the right choices and judging by what is going on today, they are no longer able of doing that. That’s why you’re ending up with Hilary or Trump as the next president. Some democracy you have over there.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    Americans back then understood – as opposed to you – that Nazi Germany was greater civilizational threat than Soviet communism.
     
    Which explains why Woodrow Wilson sent US forces to Siberia in 1918 - 1920 in an attempt to eradicate Bolshevism.

    Americans back then understood – as opposed to you – that Nazi Germany was greater civilizational threat than Soviet communism. To reach that conclusion that one dictator is the same as the next is just totally devoid of any meaningful analysis.
    WWII era Americans were capable of making the right choices
     
    If it was the case that "Americans understood . . .that Nazi Germany was the greater civilizational threat . . . and were capable of making the right choices," why was it necessary for the Roosevelt administration to carry on a multi-year long campaign of lies, propaganda, character assassination, illegal acts, and even the ludicrous fire side chat involving a map that demonstrated that the Germans intended to invade USA from Mexico and march all the way to Washington, DC?

    If the case was so powerful, why the need to lie?

    Last but not least -- Herbert Hoover spent about an hour face-to-face w/ Hitler & Goring in 1938 (around March, iirc). He came away disliking Hitler's arrogance but convinced that Hitler was no threat to USA, and that it would be sheer folly for France or Britain, much less the USA, to get involved in a fight w/ Germany. NSDAP's agenda was eastward, Hoover insisted, and if Hitler & Stalin were let alone to fight each other to exhaustion, a century of peace would ensue. Neville Chamberlain and most of the diplomats that Hoover met with also agreed. FDR would not meet with Hoover, and Hoover's "good friend, Bernard Baruch," would not intermediate a meeting.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @5371

    , @chris
    @Cyrano


    Americans back then understood – as opposed to you – that Nazi Germany was greater civilizational threat than Soviet communism. To reach that conclusion that one dictator is the same as the next is just totally devoid of any meaningful analysis.
     
    kidding, right ?
    Let's see,
    1. following the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939, Germany invaded half of Poland
    2. in return, France and England declared war on Germany
    3. 16 days later Russia invaded Poland
    (this is usually called a "set-up")

    You do know that by the time Hitler had even come to power, Stalin had already killed Millions of Russians and Ukrainians ?

    Please try to dispute these points if you want to but if you don't, how comes you to claim that:
    1. Germany was a greater threat than Russia
    2. the "Americans back then understood" this

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Fandrich

    , @Bill Jones
    @Cyrano

    Well done son.

    I do like smartly crafted satire.

    Please play again soon.

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    Americans back then understood – as opposed to you – that Nazi Germany was greater civilizational threat than Soviet communism.
     
    Which explains why Woodrow Wilson sent US forces to Siberia in 1918 - 1920 in an attempt to eradicate Bolshevism.

    Americans back then understood – as opposed to you – that Nazi Germany was greater civilizational threat than Soviet communism. To reach that conclusion that one dictator is the same as the next is just totally devoid of any meaningful analysis.
    WWII era Americans were capable of making the right choices
     
    If it was the case that "Americans understood . . .that Nazi Germany was the greater civilizational threat . . . and were capable of making the right choices," why was it necessary for the Roosevelt administration to carry on a multi-year long campaign of lies, propaganda, character assassination, illegal acts, and even the ludicrous fire side chat involving a map that demonstrated that the Germans intended to invade USA from Mexico and march all the way to Washington, DC?

    If the case was so powerful, why the need to lie?

    Last but not least -- Herbert Hoover spent about an hour face-to-face w/ Hitler & Goring in 1938 (around March, iirc). He came away disliking Hitler's arrogance but convinced that Hitler was no threat to USA, and that it would be sheer folly for France or Britain, much less the USA, to get involved in a fight w/ Germany. NSDAP's agenda was eastward, Hoover insisted, and if Hitler & Stalin were let alone to fight each other to exhaustion, a century of peace would ensue. Neville Chamberlain and most of the diplomats that Hoover met with also agreed. FDR would not meet with Hoover, and Hoover's "good friend, Bernard Baruch," would not intermediate a meeting.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @5371

    Oh boy, you know how to turn any argument into a mess, don’t you? In 1918 Woodrow Wilson intervened in the Russian Revolution because at that time Communism was a number one threat – in US opinion. There was no Nazism back then to choose between the two which one is a greater threat.

    In 1939 there was two to choose from: Nazism or Communism. US made the right choice. Stay with me on this one. In 1979 again there was a choice to be made – between Communism and Islam. US made the wrong choice this time and they are paying the price ever since and it looks like they’re going to continue to pay for that wrong choice for some time to come.

    US likes to play those games. When they have two options – they choose the more likeable against the less likable and then they deal with the outcome by turning against the original “ally”. But that’s the game of the weak, because if you dislike both choices – go against both of them, or go against the one that you dislike more – but alone, without making the other one an ally, because you’re going to strengthen them and then you would have to deal with them later when they come out as a winner side by side with you.

    Do you understand what I am trying to say here? You are not going to win any argument with me. You might know more useless facts than I do, but my logic is superior to yours. Have a nice day.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    Apply that superior logic to answering this, Cyrano: in what way was Nazism so threatening to the USA, Jan. 1933 - Jan 1939, that a war was the only option? Or to Britain or France in the same time frame?

    Be precise.

    The question is important because, as Phil Giraldi points out, the USA is drumming up the same kind of war fever against Russia -- we all want to learn from history, don't we?

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @chris
    @Cyrano


    Americans back then understood – as opposed to you – that Nazi Germany was greater civilizational threat than Soviet communism. To reach that conclusion that one dictator is the same as the next is just totally devoid of any meaningful analysis.
     
    kidding, right ?
    Let's see,
    1. following the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939, Germany invaded half of Poland
    2. in return, France and England declared war on Germany
    3. 16 days later Russia invaded Poland
    (this is usually called a "set-up")

    You do know that by the time Hitler had even come to power, Stalin had already killed Millions of Russians and Ukrainians ?

    Please try to dispute these points if you want to but if you don't, how comes you to claim that:
    1. Germany was a greater threat than Russia
    2. the "Americans back then understood" this

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Fandrich

    In 1939 the world allied against Germany, not against Russia. Which part of this you don’t understand? If Russia was the bigger threat they would have allied against them. Capisce?

    • Replies: @chris
    @Cyrano

    all you're saying is that whoever resides at the other end of our gun barrel is ipso facto our biggest threat.
    'if we fought them, they must have been our biggest threat'
    But then it's pointless to discuss anything, isn't it?

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    Apply that superior logic to answering this, Cyrano: in what way was Nazism so threatening to the USA, Jan. 1933 - Jan 1939, that a war was the only option? Or to Britain or France in the same time frame?

    Be precise.

    The question is important because, as Phil Giraldi points out, the USA is drumming up the same kind of war fever against Russia -- we all want to learn from history, don't we?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    You should actually know the answer to this one. The way you postulated your question whether the war against Nazi Germany 1933-1939 was unavoidable is like the choice was up to the Western Powers to make. It wasn’t. Germany made that decision for them and yes – it was unavoidable. I know, technically France and Britain declared war on Germany after the invasion of Poland, but they didn’t actually attack Germany I guess out of fear that they might hurt some German sensibilities.

    Remember the “Phony War”? Then Germany decided to put some reality into the “Phony war” by actually attacking France and Britain with total disregard as to whether they are going to hurt their feelings or not. As for the US, again it was Germany who declared war on them, not the other way around, so again, US had no choice there at all.

    As for the current tensions with Russia, I don’t think that they will lead to war. It’s just a result of a failed Neocon plan to wrestle Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit. The problem with the Neocons is that not only their original scripts are awful, but when they come up with a sequel script – that’s not an Oscar winning material either. Remember Iraq invasion in 2003? The original rationale was WMD, when that didn’t pan out, then it was pure western humanism on display. They did it to remove a dictator and finally bring democracy to the yearning masses. How noble.

    According to the Neocon manifesto, the post cold war objective of US is to prevent re-emergence of any challenger to American supremacy either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere. Just because Zbig said that the only thing missing from making Russia a superpower again is Ukraine doesn’t make it an irrefutable truth. What does Zbig know about anything. He still says that the choice US made in 1979 was the right one. Tell that to the 9/11 victims. Forget about suing SA for 9/11. Sue Zbig, it was that degenerate’s idea that started the whole thing.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    You did not answer the question.

    In what way was Nazism so threatening to the USA, Jan. 1933 – Jan 1939, that a war was the only option?

    What was the precise casus belli?

    Keep in mind this bit of logic from Tim Snyder, PhD:


    In history you can’t really say something happened in 1933 because something was going to happen in 1945. You can only explain things that happened in 1933 by events up to and including 1933. It’s very tempting to apply later events . . . but we can only understand historical events in terms of the causes that bring them about. . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcXMV-4HfXs
     
    Also bear in mind what was published in a British newspaper March 24, 1933. and later in multiple newspapers throughout the world, that "Judea Declares War on Germany."

    What was the casus belli in March 1933?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @annamaria
    @Cyrano

    "As for the current tensions with Russia, I don’t think that they will lead to war. It’s just a result of a failed Neocon plan to wrestle Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit."

    This is a very optimist opinion. Unfortunately, a charged gun could discharge (almost) by accident when in irresponsible hands. We have been conditioned for the inevitable showdown by the powerful self-aggrandizing lunatics, their presstitutes, and the eager crowd of obliging opportunists.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Cyrano

    Love the convenient and emotional labeling of the UK and France as "the Western Powers." So Germany was not a Western civilization and culture?

    The label "Western Powers" grouping US together with UK and France, seems merely to ASSUME that the US should have intervened, and intervened on the side it did -- with the effect of devastating Germany and helping the Soviet Communists subjugate the people of central and eastern Europe quite as brutally as the Nazis did or would have.

    The US should have stayed out of WW2. Nobody has even come close to demonstrating any reasonable chance that Germany would have been able to effectively occupy and pacify a vast Russian territory and somehow still attack the USA.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @chris
    @Cyrano

    all you're saying is that whoever resides at the other end of our gun barrel is ipso facto our biggest threat.
    'if we fought them, they must have been our biggest threat'
    But then it's pointless to discuss anything, isn't it?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    You are right man. Every person that ever ended at the wrong end of the gun was innocent. This is due to the schizophrenic human nature. There is no rational way to explain how humans choose their enemies. Mostly it is first we kill them, then we feel remorse and analyze the causes and effect in reverse and come to the conclusion that since there are now dead how possibly can they have ever been an enemy and a threat to us. Does my argument make any sense to you? No? Well, now you know how I feel when I read your comments.

    • Replies: @chris
    @Cyrano

    Look, Cyrano, I don't see the point of getting personal. I agree with your comments on the neocons but not with those about WWII.

    I don't like to carry on with this type of side-show discussion, because I don't think it's fair to Phil. If you or I wanted to do this we'd have to make our own forum and take this type of discussion there.

    I try to read these comments to learn something I didn't know before, and maybe to try to explore some of the implications of Phil Giraldi's articles.

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    You did not answer the question.

    In what way was Nazism so threatening to the USA, Jan. 1933 – Jan 1939, that a war was the only option?

    What was the precise casus belli?

    Keep in mind this bit of logic from Tim Snyder, PhD:


    In history you can’t really say something happened in 1933 because something was going to happen in 1945. You can only explain things that happened in 1933 by events up to and including 1933. It’s very tempting to apply later events . . . but we can only understand historical events in terms of the causes that bring them about. . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcXMV-4HfXs
     
    Also bear in mind what was published in a British newspaper March 24, 1933. and later in multiple newspapers throughout the world, that "Judea Declares War on Germany."

    What was the casus belli in March 1933?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Let me guess something – you are a big fan of the Harry Potter novels – right? There was no magical moment between 1933 and 1939 when it downed on the Western Powers that they have to fight Nazi Germany.

    It was a gradual process of realization. First they tried to appease the beast, throwing him untermenschland here, untermenschland there (you see both Chechoslovakia and Poland are Slavic) and then Hitler decided to invade the mother of all untermenschlands – Russia.

    Then the west realized that they are running out of untermenchlands to appease Hitler with and unless they get their act together Hitler might see them too as untermensch potential.

    I did not use logic in reverse chronological order to justify events that occurred before with the ones that occurred latter, I don’t know where you got that from. I can’t answer you any better than that. Sorry, end of discussion.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Cyrano

    So the west only went to war with Germany when Germany attacked Russia? Tell me monsieur, what colour was the sky on the planet where history played out this way?

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @5371
    @Cyrano

    So the west only went to war with Germany when Germany attacked Russia? Tell me monsieur, what colour was the sky on the planet where history played out this way?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    I am sorry, in which universe the west went to war against Germany? I thought it was the other way around. Sorry son, I am afraid that the public education system in the country you’re from is not good enough to prepare you for discussions like this.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Cyrano

    Look up whether Britain and France declared war on Germany, or the other way round. You may be surprised by what you find, if you can understand it!

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @5371
    @Cyrano

    Look up whether Britain and France declared war on Germany, or the other way round. You may be surprised by what you find, if you can understand it!

    Replies: @Cyrano

    The initiator of all hostilities was Germany, not the western allies. Poland had military treaties with both France and Britain which stipulated military assistance to Poland if Poland was attacked. Thus when Germany attacked Poland, it attacked all three of them – because Germany was aware of their military alliance. Do you understand the logic here my friend?

    Same as is the case with NATO today. If someone attacked any NATO country, implicitly that’s a declaration of war against – say US, because of the famed article 5 or as I like to call it the 3 musketeers article – one for all, all for one.

    Although Hitler hoped that Britain and France will chicken out of their military obligations to Poland (and he was almost right) – Britain and France did declare war on Germany – but halfheartedly and then did almost nothing for 8 months hoping for a miracle. The miracle came in the form of Germany actually attacking them after what’s known as the “Phoney War”.

    In reality, the declaration of war by France and Britain against Germany was just a formality, because Germany was the initiator all the way.

    • Agree: Regnum Nostrum
    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @5371
    @Cyrano

    Everyone who read your pathetic attempt at obfuscation is the stupider for it, but few of them, even so, will be close to you or your bird-brained friend "Regnum Nostrum" in stupidity.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    Do you understand that 2 comes AFTER 1 and 1939 comes AFTER 1918 and even AFTER 1938, my friend?

    Q: What was at the heart of the conflict between Poland and Germany?

    A:


    After WW1, the Versailles Treaty made former Prussian city of Danzig a quasi-independent city-state. It was governed by a local parliament while was overseen by a League of Nations appointed high commissioner. Being surrounded by Polish territory, the port facilities were also open for Polish use, but the Polish did not take comfort in mere usage. The Polish wanted Danzig within its boundaries, but the predominantly ethnic German city wished for the status quo. When the Nazi Party rose to power in Germany, many recruitment efforts by the party were active in Danzig. By 1933, 38% of the Danzig parliament was consisted of Nazi Party members, and a similarly significant percentage of the population expressed their wish to become a part of Germany.
     
    Q: What did Versailles have to say about the rights of peoples of different ethnicities in the states whose boundaries Versailles negotiators reconfigured?

    A: Ironically, according to Edwin Black in The Transfer Agreement, in response to the demands of Jewish zionists who were heavily represented in Wilson's delegation. In Black's words:

    "American Jewish Congress leaders returned from Versailles in triumph. They had helped create a Jewish homeland, as well as secure international guarantees for minorities in Europe."
     
    Black has more to say about Jewish activism in Poland, vis a vis Danzig; regarding respect for ethnic German rights in Poland; and with respect to Polish-Jewish provocations of Germany--

    "As W. W. Cohen [ ] was exhorting his fellow Americans to fight back economically, the Jews of Vilna, Poland, were proposing the identical tactic. Poland contained Europe's most concentrated Jewish population, nearly 3.5 million, mainly residing in closely knit urban communities. They were economically and politically cohesive, often militant. Bordering Hitler's Germany, Polish Jewry could organize an anti-Nazi boycott that would not only be financially irritating to the Reich, but highly visible in central Europe. The Jews of Vilna held a boycott rally on March 20, 1933. To recruit inter political . . . support, they incorporated their boycott movement into the larger national furor over the Polish Corridor. . . .German access via a corridor traversing Poland and controlled by Poland was part of the Versailles Treaty. Poland, unwilling to relinquish its Versailles territorial rights, reacted defensively, and rumors of a preemptive Polish invasion of Germany were rampant.
    By identifying their anti-Nazi boycott as national rather than sectarian retaliation, the Vilna Jews sought to construct the model for other worried Europeans. Vilna's March 20 mass anti-Hitler rally urged all Polish patriots and Jews throughout the world to battle for Polish territorial defense by not buying or selling German goods. . . ."
     
    Black repeats the fact that Polish military forces were champing at the bit and positioning themselves to march on Germany as early as the first-quarter of 1933. Germany was not in a position to defend itself against such an attack, as the Poles, as well as the Jewish provocateurs, well knew.

    As Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultz-Rhonhof states in "1939: The War That had Many Fathers," in 1933 the ratio of French military superiority to Germany was 12-to-1, and counting the forces of France and its allies the ratio rises to 97-to-1.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    Q: What motivated W. W. Cohen to react so strongly to the fact that the NSDAP had taken power in Germany?

    A: Edwin Black cites two specific situations: First, the publication in the German-Jewish press and in American-Jewish newspapers of "atrocity propaganda" similar to that charged against the Germans in WWI, propaganda that was refuted and rejected by Jews resident in Germany, and belied by the opening statement of Breitman & Lichtman in "FDR and the Jews," that NSDAP actually quelled physical violence against Jews in Germany. In other words, Jewish persons lied in a gambit to provoke a war, similar to what is taking place today wrt to Russia. This is why more and more people are demanding Liberty from the Lobby -- the Israel/zionist lobby that has distorted US foreign policy for nigh on a century.

    Second, Black reports that on

    "March 19, 1933 . . .the swastika was unfurled over German consulates in Jerusalem and Jaffa. Germany maintained the two consulates in Palestine as part of its normal diplomatic relations with Great Britain. Angry Tel Aviv Jews prepared to storm the consulates and burn the new German flag."
     
    Think about that for add minute: Jews who occupied space in Palestine under the umbrella of the British mandate were so angered that a German government with legitimate consulates in the British mandate should raise its own flag over its own territory that it was prepared to burn it, and did succeed in bringing economic pressure to bear on Germany in a bid to so weaken that economy that the government -- and its flag -- would fall. (Ultimately, Jewish agents were significant participants in burning not the German consulates in Palestine but 75% of Germany and at least 600,000 German civilians.)

    But back to our chain of logic --

    It's March, 1933, and Jews in USA and in Poland are inciting not only their fellow Jews but also other Poles to hate Germans in their midst as well as at their border, hatred that included credible threats of Polish military action against Germany.

    Jews "throughout the world" including, as noted, in Poland, pursued an economic boycott against Germany from that time, in mid-March 1933, until just after USA declared war on Japan in Dec. 1941.

    As Black stated in the quote, above, Polish Jews worked to conflate Jewish anti-German animus with the Danzig question in order to draw non-Jews and non-Poles into the frenzy.

    Nevertheless, diplomats in Germany's NSDAP government pursued a negotiated settlement of the Danzig conflict:

    From the notes of Polish Ambassador Lipski of Conversation with Joachim von Ribbentrop:

    In a conversation on 24 October 1938 over luncheon . . . Herr von Ribbentrop put forward a proposal for a basic settlement of issues between Poland and Germany which, as he expressed himself, would remove the causes of future strife.

    This included the reunion of Danzig with the Reich, while Poland would be assured of retaining railway and economic facilities there.
    Poland would agree to the building of an extraterritorial superhighway and railway line across Pomerania. In exchange, von Ribbentrop mentioned the possibility of an extension of the Polish-German agreement by twenty-five years and a guarantee of Polish-German frontiers. As a possible sphere for future cooperation between the two countries, the German Foreign Minister specified joint action in colonial matters, the emigration of Jews from Poland, and a joint policy toward Russia on the basis of the Anti-Comintern Pact.
    Herr von Ribbentrop asked the Ambassador to communicate his suggestions to Minister Beck; he would like to discuss these matters with him, with the Ambassador's participation....
     
    Poland reject the offer:

    On 19 November [1938], Ambassador Lipski requested an interview with Ribbentrop. In diplomatic, but firm language, Warsaw rejected all the German proposals and offered no grounds for future discussions. Pointedly, Poland thereafter initiated a series of conversations with the Soviet Union, and published a joint communique about them on 26 November.. Ribbentrop's reaction was startlingly moderate.
     

    "On 5 January 1939, Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck had a personal meeting with Hitler and found him on his best behavior. Obviously, nothing had as yet been settled concerning German policy toward Poland.
    . . . the Führer wished to repeat once more that since 1934 there had been no change in the German attitude toward Poland. In order to arrive at a definitive settlement of the questions still pending between the two countries, one ought not to confine oneself to the rather negative agreement of 1934, but should try to bring the individual problems to a definitive settlement by treaty. . . .
    With regard to the Corridor, . . . the Führer pointed out that it was of course completely absurd to want to deprive Poland of her outlet to the sea. If Poland were bottled up in this manner, she might, in view of the tension that would thereby arise, be likened to a loaded revolver whose trigger might be pulled at any minute. Thus, the necessity for Poland to have access to the sea definitely had to be recognized. In the same way, however, having a connection with East Prussia was a necessity for Germany; here too, by using entirely new methods of solution one could perhaps do justice to the interests of both.

    If it should be possible on this rational basis to bring about a definitive settlement of the individual problems, which would of course have to do justice to both sides, the time would have come to supplement in a positive sense, in the manner of the agreements with France, the rather negative declaration of 1934 by a German guarantee of Poland's frontiers clearly laid down in a treaty. Poland would then obtain the great advantage of having her frontier with Germany, including the Corridor, secured by treaty. "
     
    25 - 26 March 1939 more meetings were held: Polish ambassador Lipski met with Ribbentropp; Lipski came away with the message that "The Führer does not wish to solve the Danzig question by force, however. He does not wish to drive Poland into the arms of Britain by this means."

    "when the British issued their guarantee to Poland, on 3 April 1939, he [Hitler] reacted in typical fashion. He issued a new directive for war; obviously, he wanted to be ready for all contingencies. "
     
    Then,

    11 April 1939 Adolf Hitler Directive for War Against Poland

    The present attitude of Poland requires ... the initiation of military preparations, to remove if necessary any threat from this direction for ever.

    1. German relations with Poland continue to be based on the principles of avoiding any disturbances.
    Should Poland, however, change her policy towards Germany ... and adopt a threatening attitude, a final settlement might become necessary in spite of the Treaty in force with Poland.

    The aim then would be to destroy Polish military strength and create in the East a situation which satisfies the requirements of national defense. The Free State of Danzig will be proclaimed a part of the Reich territory at the outbreak of hostilities, at the latest.

    The political leaders consider it their task in this case to isolate Poland if possible, that is to say, to limit the war to Poland only. The development of increasing internal crises in France and resulting British restraint might produce such a situation in the not too distant future. Intervention by Russia . . . cannot be expected to be of any use to Poland, because this would mean Poland's destruction by Bolshevism.
     

    The French, [who had one of the strongest armies in the west], in fact, promised the Poles in mid-May 1939 that in the event of German aggression against Poland, France would launch an offensive against the Germans "no later than fifteen days after mobilization". This promise was sealed in a solemn treaty signed between Poland and France. . . .
     
    As the notes from the Polish diplomats indicate, by an agreement in 1934; on several occasions in 1938; and in January, March and April 1939; and as Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof further reveals, up until the very last moment in August, 1939, German negotiators and Hitler himself carried on extensive negotiations, and made generous overtures to the Polish in an effort to resolve the Danzig conflict without violence.

    Jewish zionist propagandists and warmongers in USA and Poland began from shortly after the NSDAP took power in 1933 to inflame passions and incite hatred of Germans, in service of Jewish purposes that were deliberately conflated with Polish grievances, which derailed the possibility of nonviolent resolution.

    Working conclusion: Cyrano's logic does not square with the facts. It's bunk.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @KA

  • @5371
    @Cyrano

    Everyone who read your pathetic attempt at obfuscation is the stupider for it, but few of them, even so, will be close to you or your bird-brained friend "Regnum Nostrum" in stupidity.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Don’t get angry with me. I told you that your public education system has not prepared you for discussion on this intellectual level. It’s not that they didn’t teach you some useful stuff in your schools such as: “You are all special” and “You are all equal”, and I suspect that in the last few years they might have added to their curriculum another pearl of wisdom: “You are all exceptional”. That still has done nothing to enable you to intelligently discuss things.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Cyrano

    You haven't figured out how to admit that it was Britain and France that declared war on Germany while still keeping a shred of your dignity, I see.

  • @RadicalCenter
    @Cyrano

    Love the convenient and emotional labeling of the UK and France as "the Western Powers." So Germany was not a Western civilization and culture?

    The label "Western Powers" grouping US together with UK and France, seems merely to ASSUME that the US should have intervened, and intervened on the side it did -- with the effect of devastating Germany and helping the Soviet Communists subjugate the people of central and eastern Europe quite as brutally as the Nazis did or would have.

    The US should have stayed out of WW2. Nobody has even come close to demonstrating any reasonable chance that Germany would have been able to effectively occupy and pacify a vast Russian territory and somehow still attack the USA.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Germany declared war on US on November 11, 1941. How do you suggest that US should have dealt with that? Ignore the declaration of war?

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    Do you understand that 2 comes AFTER 1 and 1939 comes AFTER 1918 and even AFTER 1938, my friend?

    Q: What was at the heart of the conflict between Poland and Germany?

    A:


    After WW1, the Versailles Treaty made former Prussian city of Danzig a quasi-independent city-state. It was governed by a local parliament while was overseen by a League of Nations appointed high commissioner. Being surrounded by Polish territory, the port facilities were also open for Polish use, but the Polish did not take comfort in mere usage. The Polish wanted Danzig within its boundaries, but the predominantly ethnic German city wished for the status quo. When the Nazi Party rose to power in Germany, many recruitment efforts by the party were active in Danzig. By 1933, 38% of the Danzig parliament was consisted of Nazi Party members, and a similarly significant percentage of the population expressed their wish to become a part of Germany.
     
    Q: What did Versailles have to say about the rights of peoples of different ethnicities in the states whose boundaries Versailles negotiators reconfigured?

    A: Ironically, according to Edwin Black in The Transfer Agreement, in response to the demands of Jewish zionists who were heavily represented in Wilson's delegation. In Black's words:

    "American Jewish Congress leaders returned from Versailles in triumph. They had helped create a Jewish homeland, as well as secure international guarantees for minorities in Europe."
     
    Black has more to say about Jewish activism in Poland, vis a vis Danzig; regarding respect for ethnic German rights in Poland; and with respect to Polish-Jewish provocations of Germany--

    "As W. W. Cohen [ ] was exhorting his fellow Americans to fight back economically, the Jews of Vilna, Poland, were proposing the identical tactic. Poland contained Europe's most concentrated Jewish population, nearly 3.5 million, mainly residing in closely knit urban communities. They were economically and politically cohesive, often militant. Bordering Hitler's Germany, Polish Jewry could organize an anti-Nazi boycott that would not only be financially irritating to the Reich, but highly visible in central Europe. The Jews of Vilna held a boycott rally on March 20, 1933. To recruit inter political . . . support, they incorporated their boycott movement into the larger national furor over the Polish Corridor. . . .German access via a corridor traversing Poland and controlled by Poland was part of the Versailles Treaty. Poland, unwilling to relinquish its Versailles territorial rights, reacted defensively, and rumors of a preemptive Polish invasion of Germany were rampant.
    By identifying their anti-Nazi boycott as national rather than sectarian retaliation, the Vilna Jews sought to construct the model for other worried Europeans. Vilna's March 20 mass anti-Hitler rally urged all Polish patriots and Jews throughout the world to battle for Polish territorial defense by not buying or selling German goods. . . ."
     
    Black repeats the fact that Polish military forces were champing at the bit and positioning themselves to march on Germany as early as the first-quarter of 1933. Germany was not in a position to defend itself against such an attack, as the Poles, as well as the Jewish provocateurs, well knew.

    As Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultz-Rhonhof states in "1939: The War That had Many Fathers," in 1933 the ratio of French military superiority to Germany was 12-to-1, and counting the forces of France and its allies the ratio rises to 97-to-1.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    Q: What motivated W. W. Cohen to react so strongly to the fact that the NSDAP had taken power in Germany?

    A: Edwin Black cites two specific situations: First, the publication in the German-Jewish press and in American-Jewish newspapers of "atrocity propaganda" similar to that charged against the Germans in WWI, propaganda that was refuted and rejected by Jews resident in Germany, and belied by the opening statement of Breitman & Lichtman in "FDR and the Jews," that NSDAP actually quelled physical violence against Jews in Germany. In other words, Jewish persons lied in a gambit to provoke a war, similar to what is taking place today wrt to Russia. This is why more and more people are demanding Liberty from the Lobby -- the Israel/zionist lobby that has distorted US foreign policy for nigh on a century.

    Second, Black reports that on

    "March 19, 1933 . . .the swastika was unfurled over German consulates in Jerusalem and Jaffa. Germany maintained the two consulates in Palestine as part of its normal diplomatic relations with Great Britain. Angry Tel Aviv Jews prepared to storm the consulates and burn the new German flag."
     
    Think about that for add minute: Jews who occupied space in Palestine under the umbrella of the British mandate were so angered that a German government with legitimate consulates in the British mandate should raise its own flag over its own territory that it was prepared to burn it, and did succeed in bringing economic pressure to bear on Germany in a bid to so weaken that economy that the government -- and its flag -- would fall. (Ultimately, Jewish agents were significant participants in burning not the German consulates in Palestine but 75% of Germany and at least 600,000 German civilians.)

    But back to our chain of logic --

    It's March, 1933, and Jews in USA and in Poland are inciting not only their fellow Jews but also other Poles to hate Germans in their midst as well as at their border, hatred that included credible threats of Polish military action against Germany.

    Jews "throughout the world" including, as noted, in Poland, pursued an economic boycott against Germany from that time, in mid-March 1933, until just after USA declared war on Japan in Dec. 1941.

    As Black stated in the quote, above, Polish Jews worked to conflate Jewish anti-German animus with the Danzig question in order to draw non-Jews and non-Poles into the frenzy.

    Nevertheless, diplomats in Germany's NSDAP government pursued a negotiated settlement of the Danzig conflict:

    From the notes of Polish Ambassador Lipski of Conversation with Joachim von Ribbentrop:

    In a conversation on 24 October 1938 over luncheon . . . Herr von Ribbentrop put forward a proposal for a basic settlement of issues between Poland and Germany which, as he expressed himself, would remove the causes of future strife.

    This included the reunion of Danzig with the Reich, while Poland would be assured of retaining railway and economic facilities there.
    Poland would agree to the building of an extraterritorial superhighway and railway line across Pomerania. In exchange, von Ribbentrop mentioned the possibility of an extension of the Polish-German agreement by twenty-five years and a guarantee of Polish-German frontiers. As a possible sphere for future cooperation between the two countries, the German Foreign Minister specified joint action in colonial matters, the emigration of Jews from Poland, and a joint policy toward Russia on the basis of the Anti-Comintern Pact.
    Herr von Ribbentrop asked the Ambassador to communicate his suggestions to Minister Beck; he would like to discuss these matters with him, with the Ambassador's participation....
     
    Poland reject the offer:

    On 19 November [1938], Ambassador Lipski requested an interview with Ribbentrop. In diplomatic, but firm language, Warsaw rejected all the German proposals and offered no grounds for future discussions. Pointedly, Poland thereafter initiated a series of conversations with the Soviet Union, and published a joint communique about them on 26 November.. Ribbentrop's reaction was startlingly moderate.
     

    "On 5 January 1939, Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck had a personal meeting with Hitler and found him on his best behavior. Obviously, nothing had as yet been settled concerning German policy toward Poland.
    . . . the Führer wished to repeat once more that since 1934 there had been no change in the German attitude toward Poland. In order to arrive at a definitive settlement of the questions still pending between the two countries, one ought not to confine oneself to the rather negative agreement of 1934, but should try to bring the individual problems to a definitive settlement by treaty. . . .
    With regard to the Corridor, . . . the Führer pointed out that it was of course completely absurd to want to deprive Poland of her outlet to the sea. If Poland were bottled up in this manner, she might, in view of the tension that would thereby arise, be likened to a loaded revolver whose trigger might be pulled at any minute. Thus, the necessity for Poland to have access to the sea definitely had to be recognized. In the same way, however, having a connection with East Prussia was a necessity for Germany; here too, by using entirely new methods of solution one could perhaps do justice to the interests of both.

    If it should be possible on this rational basis to bring about a definitive settlement of the individual problems, which would of course have to do justice to both sides, the time would have come to supplement in a positive sense, in the manner of the agreements with France, the rather negative declaration of 1934 by a German guarantee of Poland's frontiers clearly laid down in a treaty. Poland would then obtain the great advantage of having her frontier with Germany, including the Corridor, secured by treaty. "
     
    25 - 26 March 1939 more meetings were held: Polish ambassador Lipski met with Ribbentropp; Lipski came away with the message that "The Führer does not wish to solve the Danzig question by force, however. He does not wish to drive Poland into the arms of Britain by this means."

    "when the British issued their guarantee to Poland, on 3 April 1939, he [Hitler] reacted in typical fashion. He issued a new directive for war; obviously, he wanted to be ready for all contingencies. "
     
    Then,

    11 April 1939 Adolf Hitler Directive for War Against Poland

    The present attitude of Poland requires ... the initiation of military preparations, to remove if necessary any threat from this direction for ever.

    1. German relations with Poland continue to be based on the principles of avoiding any disturbances.
    Should Poland, however, change her policy towards Germany ... and adopt a threatening attitude, a final settlement might become necessary in spite of the Treaty in force with Poland.

    The aim then would be to destroy Polish military strength and create in the East a situation which satisfies the requirements of national defense. The Free State of Danzig will be proclaimed a part of the Reich territory at the outbreak of hostilities, at the latest.

    The political leaders consider it their task in this case to isolate Poland if possible, that is to say, to limit the war to Poland only. The development of increasing internal crises in France and resulting British restraint might produce such a situation in the not too distant future. Intervention by Russia . . . cannot be expected to be of any use to Poland, because this would mean Poland's destruction by Bolshevism.
     

    The French, [who had one of the strongest armies in the west], in fact, promised the Poles in mid-May 1939 that in the event of German aggression against Poland, France would launch an offensive against the Germans "no later than fifteen days after mobilization". This promise was sealed in a solemn treaty signed between Poland and France. . . .
     
    As the notes from the Polish diplomats indicate, by an agreement in 1934; on several occasions in 1938; and in January, March and April 1939; and as Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof further reveals, up until the very last moment in August, 1939, German negotiators and Hitler himself carried on extensive negotiations, and made generous overtures to the Polish in an effort to resolve the Danzig conflict without violence.

    Jewish zionist propagandists and warmongers in USA and Poland began from shortly after the NSDAP took power in 1933 to inflame passions and incite hatred of Germans, in service of Jewish purposes that were deliberately conflated with Polish grievances, which derailed the possibility of nonviolent resolution.

    Working conclusion: Cyrano's logic does not square with the facts. It's bunk.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @KA

    Nice try SolontoCroesus, but you’ll never convince me with your bull. You know why? – Because our starting positions are vastly different. You see, I don’t hate Jews, I think they are quite OK. Some of the greatest minds of humanity were Jewish: Einstein, Marx, Trotsky. The city I am from (somewhere in Eastern Europe) was 1/3 Jewish prior to WW2. Now there are none remaining thanks to Hitler, but the population has no bad memories about the Jews. They do have some bad memories about the occupying forces though.

    But enough of that, instead I’ll tell you one of my favorite anecdotes about Stalin. Apparently when he heard about the mass rapes that the Red Army was conducting in Germany, Stalin said: – “Too bad that so many of our sons and daughters will have to be born in a foreign land.” God I love that man. Everybody has heroes – yours is Hitler, mine is Stalin. Anybody trying to portray the Nazis as innocent angels must have some serious issues. I hate to spoil it for you, but my hero won. Nice talking to you.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    ur response makes no sense.

    I reference the writings of Polish diplomats and their efforts to negotiate a resolution; I quote the words of a Jewish author about the actions of Jewish men to create enmity and poison diplomacy; you apparently perceive that as Jew hatred based on the absolutely illogical reasoning that three people different people who were Jewish are said to be smart.

    --
    re:


    Apparently when he heard about the mass rapes that the Red Army was conducting in Germany, Stalin said: – “Too bad that so many of our sons and daughters will have to be born in a foreign land.”
     
    Your hero Stalin seems to have conceded that Russians needed to impregnate German women to improve their intellectual gene pool.
    How many Jewish women were raped by Russians?
    --hmm. Haven't researchers discovered that more than 50% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is Italian?

    God I love that man. Everybody has heroes – yours is Hitler, mine is Stalin.
     
    You're making unwarranted assertions. Present evidence to prove your claim that "Hitler is StoC's hero."
    StoC merely states a history about Germany that is otherwise obscured from the "public education" that you fulsomely derided. If those facts demonstrate that "Hitler was a hero," that's your conclusion not mine -- tho maybe it is an explanation for why it is so essential for organizations like ADL to censor an accurate history of WWII.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Avery, @RobinG

    , @iffen
    @Cyrano

    Some of the greatest minds of humanity were Jewish

    Not to mention all of my favorite Biblical heroes from my childhood.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SolontoCroesus

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    ur response makes no sense.

    I reference the writings of Polish diplomats and their efforts to negotiate a resolution; I quote the words of a Jewish author about the actions of Jewish men to create enmity and poison diplomacy; you apparently perceive that as Jew hatred based on the absolutely illogical reasoning that three people different people who were Jewish are said to be smart.

    --
    re:


    Apparently when he heard about the mass rapes that the Red Army was conducting in Germany, Stalin said: – “Too bad that so many of our sons and daughters will have to be born in a foreign land.”
     
    Your hero Stalin seems to have conceded that Russians needed to impregnate German women to improve their intellectual gene pool.
    How many Jewish women were raped by Russians?
    --hmm. Haven't researchers discovered that more than 50% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is Italian?

    God I love that man. Everybody has heroes – yours is Hitler, mine is Stalin.
     
    You're making unwarranted assertions. Present evidence to prove your claim that "Hitler is StoC's hero."
    StoC merely states a history about Germany that is otherwise obscured from the "public education" that you fulsomely derided. If those facts demonstrate that "Hitler was a hero," that's your conclusion not mine -- tho maybe it is an explanation for why it is so essential for organizations like ADL to censor an accurate history of WWII.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Avery, @RobinG

    “Your hero Stalin seems to have conceded that Russians needed to impregnate German women to improve their intellectual gene pool.”

    That’s right, he realized that impregnating German woman by Russian soldiers will improve the German gene pool since the offspring was staying in Germany.

    Payback is a beach, they shouldn’t have touched Mother Russia. Another juicy nugget for you: When the Red Army soldiers conducted searches in the apartment blocks in Berlin, the brave German husbands would push their wives to open the doors – hoping that the women will distract the Russian soldiers with some amorous thoughts and thus prevent them from developing more sinister ideas – like killing the brave Germans.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    That’s right, he realized that impregnating German woman by Russian soldiers will improve the German gene pool since the offspring was staying in Germany.
     
    Wasn't it Zhukov who led Russian soldiers on their rape-spree through Germany, and wasn't Zhukov an ambitious brute to whom Russian soldiers were a disposable commodity, i.e. it's likely that more Russian soldiers died -- maybe in Germany, maybe not -- as a result of Zhukov's gross mistreatment of his own troops?

    And isn't it equally true that the Russians that Zhukov led on the rape-spree were of the lowest order of Russia's diverse ethnic population, i.e. among the dumbest, or should we assume that your hero Stalin permitted Zhukov to kill the cream of Russian manhood?

    Thus, the Russian rapists and the bastards they spawned among German womanhood -- those that German women did not abort, or who did not die pre-birth as German women suicided rather than carry a mongrel Russian bastard to term -- carried the least desirable of Russian DNA, which may account for the present numb-nuts quality of so much of quasi-German thinking and policy decisions these days, epitomized by Numb-nut in Chief Merkel and exemplified by German willingness to gift mass-homicide-prone Israelis with nuclear-capable submarines.

    In short, Russian rapists polluted the German gene pool.
    It may be the case that the low rate of reproduction among Germans is a defensive strategy, to preserve only the best of ethnic Germans, in quality though not quantity, until the swamp is drained.


    the apartment blocks in Berlin, the brave German husbands
     
    Weren't most German males in the military, while only workers needed for war production, little boys and old men remained at home, where, incidentally, working class males -- and females and even their infant children -- were the intended targets of Allied firebombing?

    As well, wasn't Berlin heavily populated by Jews, even during the height of the war?

    Do you happen to have any statistics on the number of Jews who died in Allied firebombing raids of 131 of Germany's cities -- fully 75% of Germany reduced to rubble, a genuine holocaust.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    That’s right, he realized that impregnating German woman by Russian soldiers will improve the German gene pool since the offspring was staying in Germany.
     
    Wasn't it Zhukov who led Russian soldiers on their rape-spree through Germany, and wasn't Zhukov an ambitious brute to whom Russian soldiers were a disposable commodity, i.e. it's likely that more Russian soldiers died -- maybe in Germany, maybe not -- as a result of Zhukov's gross mistreatment of his own troops?

    And isn't it equally true that the Russians that Zhukov led on the rape-spree were of the lowest order of Russia's diverse ethnic population, i.e. among the dumbest, or should we assume that your hero Stalin permitted Zhukov to kill the cream of Russian manhood?

    Thus, the Russian rapists and the bastards they spawned among German womanhood -- those that German women did not abort, or who did not die pre-birth as German women suicided rather than carry a mongrel Russian bastard to term -- carried the least desirable of Russian DNA, which may account for the present numb-nuts quality of so much of quasi-German thinking and policy decisions these days, epitomized by Numb-nut in Chief Merkel and exemplified by German willingness to gift mass-homicide-prone Israelis with nuclear-capable submarines.

    In short, Russian rapists polluted the German gene pool.
    It may be the case that the low rate of reproduction among Germans is a defensive strategy, to preserve only the best of ethnic Germans, in quality though not quantity, until the swamp is drained.


    the apartment blocks in Berlin, the brave German husbands
     
    Weren't most German males in the military, while only workers needed for war production, little boys and old men remained at home, where, incidentally, working class males -- and females and even their infant children -- were the intended targets of Allied firebombing?

    As well, wasn't Berlin heavily populated by Jews, even during the height of the war?

    Do you happen to have any statistics on the number of Jews who died in Allied firebombing raids of 131 of Germany's cities -- fully 75% of Germany reduced to rubble, a genuine holocaust.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    In short, Russian rapists polluted the German gene pool.

    Not possible. All Russian DNA is superior to the German. They won the war didn’t they? Who was the master race in the end?

    Also I think Stalin was too lenient towards the Germans. He should have turned them into air pollutants – like they did it to the poor Jews. The ovens were already there, just keep them running with a new bio-fuel.

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Avery


    How many Slavic/Russian women were raped, then murdered by Nazi German invaders.
     
    You tell me.
    According to Jeff Rutherford of Wheeling Jesuit University, soldiers in Germany's Army Group North shared their limited food with Ukrainians, and were welcomed by many Slavic peasants as saviors from Bolshevik brutality. Rutherford hates to have to say so, but fraternizing between German soldiers and the womenfolk where they garrisoned, even over long and harsh periods, was strictly verboten and violators were severely punished.

    From Rurik I have learned that German officers carried on liaisons with Norwegian women, with whom they begat children with the stated intent of carrying on the Nordic-Teutonic gene pool.

    Rurik is outraged that the Norwegian people shunned those children in the post-war era, even shutting them up in mental institutions.

    But I'm not aware that German soldiers went on sprees of rape and murder the like of the Russian rape of and estimated 2 million German women.

    Replies: @Avery, @Cyrano, @5371

    But I’m not aware that German soldiers went on sprees of rape and murder the like of the Russian rape of and estimated 2 million German women.

    I think that claim is exaggerated. I think that the Germans were only jealous because the Russians were having greater success with the German women than the Germans.

    You know which one is one of the most successful pick-up lines of all times? – “Frau komm”. It was used by the Red Army soldiers on German women. Apparently the German women found it irresistible and succumbed to in in a very large numbers. I don’t blame them, Russian charm is hard to resist.

  • I have recently posted a piece in which I tried to debunk a few popular myths about modern warfare. Judging by many comments which I received in response to this post, I have to say that the myths in question are still alive and well and that I clearly failed to convince many readers. What...
  • Gorbachev was right about one thing (he wasn’t right about too many): By doing what they (Eastern Europe) did with their sovereignty after it was gifted to them by the USSR in 1991, they showed that they didn’t deserve it in the first place. If they wanted freedom so much, why did they sell it to the west immediately after they got it?

    Perhaps the case can be made for calling Eastern Europe rape victims prior to 1991, and after that – they turned into whores. The act being performed on them is the same, the only difference is that now they are being financially compensated. I personally have more sympathy for rape victims.

  • I came to Japan for the preview of Obama’s visit, when the G7 foreign ministers assembled at Hiroshima, led by the US State Secretary John Kerry. He should apologise, people said. You do not think Kerry apologised for nuking the city, did you? Neither did Obama. The Americans never apologise, banish the thought. Love means...
  • The only country that will never give up their nuclear weapons is the one that invented them and they won’t do that for the same reason that they invented them in the first place: because they can’t fight a ground war. They have also came to the conclusion that as great as their navy is – it’s not enough to terrorize the world, so the nuclear weapons are staying. The Nobel prize winner shouldn’t be blabbing his hypocritical mouth about world without nuclear weapons when they themselves never intend to do anything about it.

  • Within the Democratic Party a progressive guilt trip about how the Israelis have treated the Palestinians has been growing. One recalls how at the 2012 Democratic National Convention in Charlotte a voice vote on including the usual party platform plank affirming that an undivided Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel received many more “nays”...
  • It looks it’s very popular to blame Israel for a lot of things these days, but I think that if anybody doesn’t want peace in the middle east it’s not the Israelis – it’s the Palestinians. How so? It’s been 67 years since the establishment of the Jewish state. Perhaps they stole some land from the Palestinians, about 28000 km2 to be exact plus other Arab occupied territories for a grand total of maybe 40000km2.

    The point is – it happens all the time – in the course of history countries lose territory, or gain, depending on multitude of circumstances. Mexico for example lost as much land to US as it was left with, but you don’t see any Mexicans blowing themselves up on US buses trying to get that land back.

    Germany lost about 130000km2 of prime lebensraum to – of all countries – Poland. If you think it’s frustrating losing land to a superior power (Palestinians to Israelis), how must the Germans feel about losing land to a country that they can overrun in half a day with their eyes closed?

    The land that Israel took from Palestine was not much, and it wasn’t a prime land by any stretch of the imagination – it’s a desert. If anybody has deserts more than they know what to do with – it’s the Arabs and endlessly fighting over another patch of it doesn’t make any sense. History is full of nations being wronged by other nations, historical injustices can never be all fully redressed. Sometimes you just have to move on.

    • Replies: @JoaoAlfaiate
    @Cyrano

    "...historical injustices can never be all fully redressed. Sometimes you just have to move on." You mean, for example, the way the Jews have chosen to forget the Holocaust?

    Replies: @iffen

    , @Parisoz
    @Cyrano

    Could we have those figures for amount of land stolen as proportions of the countries instead of square kilometres?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @KA
    @Cyrano

    How did Mexican lose? How did Germany lose? Was it like this- China told Mexioc to shut up and give the land to US? How did German lose ? Did India come to Chancellor of Weiemr Republic or to Kaiser and ask him to hand over certain areas - 90 % of Germany to some outsider?

    Palestine was mostly desert in the Israeli inspired movies . The best land was taken by the zionist through UN partition plans and later by force .UN partition plan was secured by dismissing the first result of the vote,by bribing the African and Latin American countries and by threatening Philippine,Greece and France and threat was issued against the life of the Indian dignitaries by the Zionist including by the Supreme Court Justice by name Frankfurter

    How many mexicans are living as 2 nd class citizen in occupied Mexcan territory?
    Is there blockade of Baja California ? Was Mexico blockaded for electing leftist parties?

    By the way is there a state of war between Mexico and US despite Mexico not accepting the seizures of what once was her ?

    Replies: @Quartermaster

    , @geokat62
    @Cyrano


    Perhaps they stole some land from the Palestinians...
     
    Perhaps?

    The point is – it happens all the time –
     
    The point is... the American taxpayer is underwriting the so-called GWOT, a front for PNAC's goal of remaking MENA by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist entity, all in an effort to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle.

    Rather than putting Israel first, the American gov't should put America first by redirecting the trillions of dollars it's spending on the GWOT and on spend it instead on schools, hospitals, infrastructure, etc. to the benefit of the American people.

    Replies: @iffen, @Sherman

    , @dahoit
    @Cyrano

    A POS writes shite.
    When the new self made diaspora starts just tell yourself to get over it.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @Art
    @Cyrano


    It looks it’s very popular to blame Israel for a lot of things these days, but I think that if anybody doesn’t want peace in the middle east it’s not the Israelis – it’s the Palestinians. ... yada ... yada ... yada ... The point is – it happens all the time
     
    How wrong - how cruel - what a twist of reason and logic- total Jew think.

    The victim is evil because he does not want to settle for next to nothing. When faced with a deal he cannot refuse he is made to be the bad guy when he refuses - what Jew crap.

    "It happens all the time" - sorry wrong again - this is 2016 not 1916 - we live in a better more just world today - we do NOT accept the theft of land by one entity from another entity.
    , @DaveE
    @Cyrano

    Yeah I agree, it's time to move on. BDS doesn't work. No-one likes hearing about the diabolical Israelis anymore or their filthy so-called country. Being branded an "anti-Semite" is a waste of time and energy.

    Yeah, it's time to "move on." I don't have the solution, but my pal Mr. Ruger does.

    , @annamaria
    @Cyrano

    What would be then your apologia for the Lobby' (AIPAC', PNAC') extraordinary efforts towards creating the mayhem in Iraq, Libya, and Syria (along the lines of Yalon Plan)?
    The plight of Palestinians is real and it has been underscored (for the world's opinion) by the zionists' vicious belligerence in the name of the future Erez Israel.
    The specificity of the "Israel's case" is related, first of all, to existence of numerous Holocaust Museums that today remind about the banality of evil among the sanctimonious defenders of Israeli (Lobby) policies in the Middle East.
    Second, there is an apparent disloyalty of powerful Israel-firsters in the US to the interests of the US citizenry at large. The Lobby and Israelis have been very skillful in corrupting and cajoling the US policy makers for the benefit of Israel, and this, overall, will lead to inevitable backlash against the parasitoid.

    , @Anonymous
    @Cyrano

    [[b-bbut you don’t see any Mexicans blowing
    \/\/0T

    MOSSAD CAUGHT ATTEMPTING TO BLOW UP THE MEXICAN CONGRESS
    :::

    Little known due to the 9/11 aftermath, #Israel got caught attempting to bomb the #Mexican Congress one month after 911, to blame 9/11 on #Iran and get the U.S. to attack Iran. Any doubts? How about the official Mexican government release of the incident: http://www.pgr.gob.mx/cmsocial/bol01/oct/b69701.html
    MOSSAD IDF Colonel Salvador Guersson Smecke and Saur Ben Zvi were caught with bombs materials. The Israeli Embassy at Sierra Madre immediately closed it doors to any press.

    http://www.thenatemaxproject.com/2015/02/13/1-month-after-911-mossad-caught-attempting-to-blow-up-the-mexican-congress-2001/

    * *

    [[[As reported by La Vox De Atzlan . . .

    We believe that the two Zionists terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress . . .

    [but were released from custody, reportedly because of pressure from the Israeli embassy

    . . . The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops
    and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism."


    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    https://youtu.be/GVGJ6EQWzkE?t=38

    "It looks it’s[sic] very popular to blame Israel for a lot of things these days ... "

    * * *

    rep.rep etc.etc inter/\liyah & et al

    * * *

    On October 10, 2001, two Israelis, one a former Israeli Army Colonel and the other a Mossad agent, were arrested in the Mexican Congress with 9mm pistols and dynamite. According to the Mexican Justice Department official web site “the head of Congressional Security Salvador Alarcón verified that the Israelis had in their possession nine hand grenades, sticks of dynamite, detonators, wiring and two 9mm ‘Glock’ automatics.” The Israelis were subsequently released after the intervention of the Israeli embassy in Mexico City]]]]]]

    http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/06/israeli-art-students-and-movers-story.html

    Replies: @alexander

  • @dahoit
    @Cyrano

    A POS writes shite.
    When the new self made diaspora starts just tell yourself to get over it.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    A POS writes shite.

    It takes one to know one.

  • @Parisoz
    @Cyrano

    Could we have those figures for amount of land stolen as proportions of the countries instead of square kilometres?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Sure. Germany lost about 25% of it’s territory to Poland after WW2. Mexico lost around 50% of its territory to US and Palestine lost nearly 100% of it’s territory to Israel.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Cyrano

    Palestine has never been a nation state. It is inaccurate to say that it lost any territory. I think that when the Great Powers created the Mandate they must have thought that through some hitherto unknown magical workings, the Jews and the Palestinians could occupy the Mandate together.

    Replies: @Rehmat

    , @Avery
    @Cyrano

    {Mexico lost around 50% of its territory to US....}

    The example of Mexico is not appropriate.

    Germany is populated by ethnic German people: indigenous to their native land.
    Mexico, as was pointed out in another thread, was founded by European colonizers - Spaniards - whose descendants rule Mexico to this day. (e.g. see former President Vincente Fox; also see composition of Mexican Senate). The native Aztecs, for example, are the downtrodden masses.
    So Anglo-Saxon invaders of North America took land that Spanish invaders had taken from the indigenous peoples of the area now called Mexico.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Avery
    @Cyrano

    {Mexico lost around 50% of its territory to US....}

    The example of Mexico is not appropriate.

    Germany is populated by ethnic German people: indigenous to their native land.
    Mexico, as was pointed out in another thread, was founded by European colonizers - Spaniards - whose descendants rule Mexico to this day. (e.g. see former President Vincente Fox; also see composition of Mexican Senate). The native Aztecs, for example, are the downtrodden masses.
    So Anglo-Saxon invaders of North America took land that Spanish invaders had taken from the indigenous peoples of the area now called Mexico.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    The example of Mexico is not appropriate.

    I kind of both agree and disagree with you. It’s true – German claim on the land that they lost to Poland is stronger than the claim that Mexicans might have on the land they lost to US.

    At the same time – if you saw a bank robber running away with the loot and you pull a gun on him and rob him – if you don’t intend to return the loot to the bank – your act has pretty much a moral equivalency of you robbing the bank yourself.

    Since the US didn’t return the land that they got from Mexico to the natives, I am not sure that they can claim some moral high ground. Stealing from a thief is still a crime and doesn’t qualify you as a Robin Hood.

  • Introduction: What does it mean when the US and British financial systems launder hundreds of billions of dollars of illicit funds stolen by world leaders while their governments turn a ‘blind eye’, and yet the very same Anglo-American officials investigate, prosecute, fine and arrest officials from rival governments, rival banks and political leaders for corruption?...
  • In case anybody has missed, the reversal of worker’s rights and benefits in the west started in 1991. Coincidence? Hardly. You see most concessions to the working class the capitalists made because of a threat of communist revolution. Once that threat was gone in 1991, the cruel capitalists realized it’s now safe to take away anything that they can from the working class.

    Even the concessions that the US made during the great recession – the social security act – was not made because the capitalists have suddenly grown a heart. It was made because the October revolution at that time was very fresh in their minds and they were scarred it can happen somewhere else too.

    Capitalism is an awful system. Even the Nazis knew this. That’s why they called themselves National Socialists, they didn’t call themselves National Capitalists or National Democrats. They knew that the word capitalism has very limited propaganda appeal for the masses. There is nothing appealing about Capitalism, unless you plan to exploit someone to death.

    That’s the reason why the workers standards of living are plummeting, because the good old USSR is not around to keep the greedy capitalists scared and honest.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @anon
    @Cyrano


    In case anybody has missed, the reversal of worker’s rights and benefits in the west started in 1991. Coincidence? Hardly. You see most concessions to the working class the capitalists made because of a threat of communist revolution. Once that threat was gone in 1991, the cruel capitalists realized it’s now safe to take away anything that they can from the working class.
     
    I think this is true however my overall take is

    - communism sucks cos low productivity
    - capitalism sucks cos it's high productivity is hoarded by the capitalists

    and so the best system is

    - scared capitalism

    and people need to scare them pretty damn quick before they blow things up permanently.

    Replies: @Wade

    , @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    It didn't need fear of communism to generate a lot of antitrust (antimonopoly) fervour before WW1 and the key to capitalism being made to work for maximum benefit is enough competition to ensure that any one capitalist enterprise has to be very productive, clever and lucky to continue making good profits for many ddecades.

    As Adam Smith made clear uou can't trust the capitalists not to try and avoid the rigours and dangers of serious competition and that's one place where the state has an important roll without killing the animal spirits, risking of their savings and enterprise which cause capitalism to add value. Assuming you don't fantasise about commissars and bureaucrats creating cutting edge businesses - as opposed to organising Japan in the 19th century and China over 100 years later to catch up with what others had already shown would work - you need people to aggregate capital from savings and for some of them at least to have a high tolerance for risk and corresponding entrpreneurial or merely overoptimistic imagination. To condemn "capitalism" as you do is to condemn the only means of social activity mankind has ever found to escape the Malthusian fate.

    Replies: @animalogic, @Cyrano, @Ace

  • @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    It didn't need fear of communism to generate a lot of antitrust (antimonopoly) fervour before WW1 and the key to capitalism being made to work for maximum benefit is enough competition to ensure that any one capitalist enterprise has to be very productive, clever and lucky to continue making good profits for many ddecades.

    As Adam Smith made clear uou can't trust the capitalists not to try and avoid the rigours and dangers of serious competition and that's one place where the state has an important roll without killing the animal spirits, risking of their savings and enterprise which cause capitalism to add value. Assuming you don't fantasise about commissars and bureaucrats creating cutting edge businesses - as opposed to organising Japan in the 19th century and China over 100 years later to catch up with what others had already shown would work - you need people to aggregate capital from savings and for some of them at least to have a high tolerance for risk and corresponding entrpreneurial or merely overoptimistic imagination. To condemn "capitalism" as you do is to condemn the only means of social activity mankind has ever found to escape the Malthusian fate.

    Replies: @animalogic, @Cyrano, @Ace

    I think you missed the point completely. I wasn’t advocating socialism – that has been tried. I was merely stating that capitalism is regressing to its more primitive past. I think that anon understood 100% what I was trying to say, that capitalism needs some socialist elements – Scandinavian style, not wahhabi style capitalism (i.e. ultraconservative) like in US.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    I wouldn't disagree with the proposition - brry much an Adam Smith point - thst capitalists will from time to time tend to make the system work in a more primitive and brutal way. And i can see that your emphasis is on the US where, as in the UK, the 1980s saw much reaction ti what was seen as conditions seen as inhibiting capitalism's effective working. But your reference to Scandinavia shows that you were overstating, as if it was a worldwide phenomenon, the regression of capitalism to a more primitive staee.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @anon
    @Cyrano

    Yes, capitalism clearly produces the most stuff but imo only scared capitalism shares it out in a way that prevents its own eventual destruction.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    I wouldn't disagree with the proposition - brry much an Adam Smith point - thst capitalists will from time to time tend to make the system work in a more primitive and brutal way. And i can see that your emphasis is on the US where, as in the UK, the 1980s saw much reaction ti what was seen as conditions seen as inhibiting capitalism's effective working. But your reference to Scandinavia shows that you were overstating, as if it was a worldwide phenomenon, the regression of capitalism to a more primitive staee.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    You are right. There is a contradiction there. If Scandinavia is going to be a shining example of what capitalism should look like – then regression of capitalism is not a worldwide phenomena. Although US is trying to bring the rest of the world in line with their austere vision of capitalist orthodoxy – and they are using various trade pacts to try to accomplish this.

  • @anon
    @Cyrano

    Yes, capitalism clearly produces the most stuff but imo only scared capitalism shares it out in a way that prevents its own eventual destruction.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Since the demise of USSR, capitalists are starting to think that there is no alternative to their system. This might or might not be true, but it’s not good that they are testing the limits of tolerance of the working men and women by stagnating their wages and benefits and their standard of living because they think that the Capitalist system has proven once and for all that it’s irreplaceable.

  • We really live in a crazy world. In preparation for the next NATO summit in Warsaw, already announced as 'landmark summit', kids in Poland will be exposed to 4 hours of NATO propaganda a week for the next two months. Apparently, the Poles believe that their safety will be greatly enhanced if they succeed in...
  • Do the fools in Eastern Europe really think that NATO was designed to protect them? Haven’t they learned from history how US “helps” their allies. If war broke out between NATO and Russia, the Americans will fight exactly like they did in ww2: Bomb endlessly for 4 years and if anybody asks them to do more they pretend that they are doing all they can. NATO is cannon fodder recruitment tool for US, it was designed to protect them, not Europe. I don’t see such generosity (protecting Europe) coming from people who like to show up late (1917 and 1944 instead of 1914 and 1939) and when they show up they don’t do all that much.

    So – sweet dreams Eastern Europe – US is there to “protect” you.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @Cyrano

    @Do the fools in Eastern Europe really think that NATO was designed to protect them?

    Unfortunately, they do.

    @Haven’t they learned from history how US “helps” their allies

    Unfortunately, they don't.

  • Rosa Luxemburg in her 1918 book on the Russian Revolution: It is actually rather remarkable how much her critiques echoes that of Russian conservative opponents of the Bolsheviks (even if from the opposite side of the ideological spectrum): The Bolsheviks are in part responsible for the fact that the military defeat was transformed into the...
  • Even the name of Ukraine is a dead giveaway that it was never meant to be an independent country. Ukraine means “Borderland”. Borderland of what? Borderland of Russia of course. It can not be a borderland of itself. There was another “Borderland” that received completely different treatment from the west.

    This one was called “Krajina” – notice the resemblance? It means exactly the same in Serbian language – borderland. Krajina was a Serb enclave in Croatia and they never became an independent state supported by the west on account of the Serbs generally being uncooperative with the west’s agendas. If the Ukrainians sat down and really thought about it, the best choice for them is to return to being a borderland of what the once were.

  • [This essay is excerpted from Noam Chomsky’s new book, Who Rules the World? (Metropolitan Books).] In January 2015, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists advanced its famous Doomsday Clock to three minutes before midnight, a threat level that had not been reached for 30 years. The Bulletin’s statement explaining this advance toward catastrophe invoked the...
  • The only country that needs nuclear weapons in order to impersonate a “superpower” is the one that invented them. China and Russia don’t need them. They can be (and are) superpowers without nuclear weapons. Gorbachev actually suggested to the senile one – I believe at the Reykjavik summit to get rid of all nuclear weapons. It didn’t happen and it won’t and we know who is the reason.

  • As you may have noticed today, after years of ignoring the concept of "citizenism," the mainstream media has suddenly converted en masse to citizenism of the most fundamentalist kind: the Orlando shooter was a U.S. citizen. What more do you need to know? But, being a curious sort, I'm wondering how his father, Seddique Mir...
  • Relax y’all. This latest shooting in Orlando – It’s all Russia’s fault. How? Let me explain. The deceased individual who perpetrated the shooting claimed as motivation both ISIS and homophobia. This from a descendant of a nation where pedophilia is favorably looked upon – bacha bazi anyone? Not a very plausible explanation.

    How does Russia fits in all this? Easy – Stockholm syndrome. When Russia invaded Afghanistan – it left traumatic genetically transferred traits on the future terrorist. Instead of siding with his own culture – which is supportive of gay relations – at least when it comes to young boys, he sided with the invader – Russia – which is one of the most homophobic countries in the world.

    Just ask Obama for his rationale why he didn’t go to the Sochi Olympics. Because he took offense on the part of LGBT community and their treatment in Russia. So there you go. It’s all Russia’s fault. Case closed.

  • On Saturday night, Omar Mateen was a loner and a loser. Sunday, he was immortal, by his standards, a hero. Mateen had ended his life in a blaze of gunfire and glory. Now everybody knew his name. He had been embraced by ISIS. His face was on every TV screen. His 911 call to Orlando...
  • Reap what you sow. Islam wasn’t a problem until U.S. made it to be. It started when they decided it’s a smart idea to outsource their war against USSR – to Islam. I guess to a good capitalist everything looks like a resource to be exploited. So did Islam. A plentiful, widely available, renewable (at alarmingly fast rate) resource. So why not use it, right?

    If you can’t fight your own wars you have no business starting them. Even the most appalling regime in human history – Nazi Germany had more integrity than that. They were able and willing to fight their own wars, not outsource them to someone that they thought they’re smarter than. OK, sure, Nazi Germany used some extra cannon fodder like the Romanians, Hungarians and other dumb Eastern Europeans, but for the most part they were the main fighting force.

    Americans think that they are smart, that they can copy something from history – because it has happened before. The Roman Empire in their final stages outsourced their wars to the barbarians – and we know how that one ended. The barbarians wised up and sacked Rome. Nobody fights wars for someone else. Who is using whom here?

    • Agree: dfordoom
  • It's hard to view Stalin as any sort of Russian national hero considering the demonstrable idiocy of his apologists' arguments. Trying to portray him as such involves descending into a fantasy world in which no country had ever managed to industrialize itself without killing off millions of its most intelligent and productive people or have...
  • How cold have a person who loved Russians more than they loved themselves kill so many of them? It’s a big mystery. Stalin was a big contradiction. He adopted himself into the Russian nation, spoke the language with a Georgian accent for the rest of his life, sent at least hundreds of thousands to their deaths in the gulags, and yet he was a bigger Russian than most of them.

    When Hitler rejected his feelers about possible truce after the initial onslaught, opting instead for war of extermination against the “subhumans”, Stalin apparently took great offense at this, and said something like: “Who is he calling “subhumans” – the great Russian people? He wants a war of extermination? He shall have it”.

    His love for the Russians was on display again at the victory parade at the end of WW2 when the Red Army units were throwing captured Nazi flags and banners at his feet. For the great victory apparently he thanked only the “Great Russians”, leaving out the rest of the nationalities making up almost half of the Soviet Union.

    I don’t think that the ambiguity about Stalin among ordinary Russians will be resolved any time soon. He did some horrible things to them, but maybe that though love was necessary and in the final analysis, he did won a war which made a difference between survival and annihilation.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Cyrano


    and said something like: “Who is he calling “subhumans” – the great Russian people? He wants a war of extermination? He shall have it”.
     
    And yet even after the war Russians continued to be exterminated in a famine (while the USSR sent grain to East Germany!!) at a relative rate comparable to that incurred by the Germans during their expulsion from Eastern Europe.

    Ultimately I don't see anything particularly contradictory in any of the above. Indeed Stalin made some rhetorical concessions towards Russians (as he did to other nationalities), especially after the war. By that period he had come to see himself as a Tsar of sorts, holding Ivan IV (Grozny) in particularly high regard. But I would sooner compare it to the way one grows attached to one's country of choice when playing as its eternal leader in Civilization or Europa Universalis. :)

    Replies: @5371, @Parsifal

    , @Lyttenburgh
    @Cyrano


    How cold have a person who loved Russians more than they loved themselves kill so many of them? It’s a big mystery. Stalin was a big contradiction. He adopted himself into the Russian nation, spoke the language with a Georgian accent for the rest of his life, sent at least hundreds of thousands to their deaths in the gulags, and yet he was a bigger Russian than most of them.
     
    What a purple prose nonsense! Have you ever heard about the "big numbers" theory? Stalin didn't single out Russians to be "sent to their deaths" because he hated them. Get real.

    Oh, and the word is either "prison" or "labor-correction camp". Or even "special settlment". People were sent here not "to their death" but due to the court decisions. The vast majority of them came back alive.

    GULag is the Chief Directorate of (Prison) Camps - an acronym without plural.
    , @Wally
    @Cyrano

    There was no war of extermination against the “subhumans”, that's laughable propaganda.

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    The massive numbers of so called "eyewitne$$es" are living testimony to fraudulence of the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Replies: @szopen

  • Orlando? So what else is new? Why the excitement? I am puzzled that everyone is distraught over a perfectly ordinary act of terrorism by a perfectly ordinary Muslim terrorist. We have seen these attacks before and will see them again. They grow monotonous, like car crashes. They are as interesting as a commercial break. Why...
  • One of the greatest curses for the western civilization has been the invention of multiculturalism. Made in the USA – it was designed to deal with the racism – primarily against blacks. So the idea was to import as many races from around the world as possible and in that way to overwhelm the original racists in US as to whom they should hate first. Brilliant idea.

    But that’s just how America solves problems – make the original problem much worse until it starts to pale in comparison with the new problem that they created without ever solving either of them. At least they are trying to generate sympathy for themselves by drawing attention towards the magnitude of the problems they are facing. So that’s pretty much the solution. They are the martyrs of cosmopolitanism and the world is looking upon their struggles and admires them for their hard labor to make everybody happy.

    • Replies: @CJC
    @Cyrano

    If you're referring to the leftist/liberals among us, it's more likely that the Muslims, blacks, radical feminists, and all the other grievance groups, are quite happy with the ease of effort it has taken to have their "opponent" capitulate. For instance, the Muslims must feel validated in their belief in the supposed superiority of their way of thinking, given the dumb response from many of the "infidels"..

    , @Anonymous
    @Cyrano

    The purpose on multiculturalism was never intended to deal with racism, it is used to destroy and control a society, in this case by the elites (largely zionist but not exclusively.) The clues are in the words. It's not multiracism it's multiculturalism. It just more acceptable to load a bunch of 3rd world dark skinned people than say a bunch of Russians or East Germans (back in the day) waving a hammer and sickle. It's bringing in a foreign culture not a race to destroy the original and in this case it's by design rather than a natural progression.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Anonymous
    @Cyrano

    The purpose on multiculturalism was never intended to deal with racism, it is used to destroy and control a society, in this case by the elites (largely zionist but not exclusively.) The clues are in the words. It's not multiracism it's multiculturalism. It just more acceptable to load a bunch of 3rd world dark skinned people than say a bunch of Russians or East Germans (back in the day) waving a hammer and sickle. It's bringing in a foreign culture not a race to destroy the original and in this case it's by design rather than a natural progression.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    MultiCULTuralism was born in USA in the ’60 as a propaganda response to the civil rights movement. It was implemented probably out of fear that Communism was winning the propaganda war of how we are all equal, all nations in the world should unite, we are all brothers and all that nonsense. You see Communists never did anything practical to implement those ideas. They were just talking about it. But they did manage to scare the living daylights out of the good old capitalists in US.

    They got scared that the Communists will use the blacks in the US as a fifth column to radicalise them into a driving force for some kind of social revolution that could get out of hand and turn into system changing revolution. Enter multiculturalism. The idea was that by importing every possible race, nationality and religion (copycat communist internationalle) that they will show the American blacks that they can’t possibly be racists when they invite all those different groups to settle in America. Therefore there are no reasons for social upheavals which might lead to who knows what (communism).

    It’s a different world these days, communism is almost gone and in this new light it can be seen that multiculturalism was overreaction. Both communism and multiculturalism share the same DNA – they are attempts at social engineering. One of them failed, I suspect the other one will follow suit too. Even frau Merkel said few years ago that multiculturalism doesn’t work – before she got overwhelmed with the refuges and went 180 in the opposite direction.

    The same way that communists wanted to internationalize their movement, the same way the USA exported their “solution” to places where the problem didn’t even exist before. The way they are pushing the concept everywhere (primarily in Europe) it’s a perfect example in perfidy. By exporting the solution to a problem that doesn’t exist – you are creating the problem that it was intended to “solve”.

    In the 60’s the USA had unique problem that no other developed nation had – how to deal with the legacy of slavery. By exporting the multiculturalism – they internationalized the problem. Now everybody has the same problem and US is not isolated and condemned for its historic legacy. Now the chances are much better that multiculturalism might first fail elsewhere and nobody will blame US for not being able to deal with the problem. Truly devious, while pretending to be the good guys all along.

    • Replies: @Ace
    @Cyrano


    BELLA DODD'S STORY is a human document of immense importance to Americans today. Here are the inner workings of the Communist Party in this country as seen from the secret counsels and strategy meetings of the National Committee, to which she belonged for a crucial span of years.

    As long ago as the 1940's the Party was planning cynically to use the Negroes as instruments in the revolution-to-come in the United States. The theory, contrived by Stalin and unleashed by Foster, was to encourage "self-determination of the Negroes in the black belt" and the establishment of a Negro nation with the right to secede from the United States.
     
    From the cover of School of Darkness (1954) by Bella Dodd (Amazon).

    Replies: @Jacques Sheete

  • It's hard to view Stalin as any sort of Russian national hero considering the demonstrable idiocy of his apologists' arguments. Trying to portray him as such involves descending into a fantasy world in which no country had ever managed to industrialize itself without killing off millions of its most intelligent and productive people or have...
  • Stalin was a clever chap. He knew that if he wanted to get any results from the Russians, the only way to get them going is to appeal to their national identity. Stalin knew that using himself as a motivating factor wouldn’t fly – the personality cult came later – after the war. He also knew that the Russians could find very little inspiration in communism too – so he resurrected all the historical national heroes like Kutuzov and Nevsky and Suvorov.

    He was also aware how badly he screwed up by trusting Hitler, so at the beginning of Barbarossa, he locked himself in his dacha outside Moscow and spent the first 10 days in a drunken stupor and depression. When he saw members of the politburo approaching his dacha, he thought that they are coming to arrest him for treason, instead they were coming to ask him to pull himself together because the nation needed him.

    In his first public appearance after the start of the war he addressed the Russians as: “Brothers and sisters” and the poor Russians thought – Holly cow we are even deeper in shit than we thought – he has never called us brothers and sisters before. Stalin did manage to unite the Russians in order to get the great victory, but he didn’t unite them using himself as a focal point – he used the appeal to their nationhood.

    They even built a monument to this. It’s on Mamayev Kurgan and it’s called “Rodina mat zovyot” or “The motherland is calling”, and apparently it’s bigger than the statue of liberty. That’s the call that the Russians couldn’t ignore, not Stalin’s call or his personal appeal and charm. He didn’t ask them to do all the sacrifices for him, but for mother Russia. Maybe that’s why despite everything, they’ll continue to respect him.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Cyrano

    Quite the contrast to Franklin Roosevelt who lied to the American people in order to involve them in a war that was no concern of theirs.

    Say -- that seems to be a pattern with US prezes: lie to the American people; set up systems to tax them to pay for the war, either thru income tax or monetary inflation tax or both; wreck other people's countries, for the benefit of another entity.

    , @utu
    @Cyrano

    And do not forget about the best ever military patriotic song composed few days after German invasion in June 1941 by Alexandrov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLi0Fxfqtdk, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaq-bMoriaA With song like this the victory was the only option.

    , @L.K
    @Cyrano

    cyrano: "He was also aware how badly he screwed up by trusting Hitler"

    What an extraordinarily stupid comment! Right out of the Stalinist playbook!

    Your beloved Stalin trusted nobody, much less Hitler, a foreigner and anti-Communist whom he had never met with.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @Lyttenburgh
    @Cyrano


    he locked himself in his dacha outside Moscow and spent the first 10 days in a drunken stupor and depression.
     
    Your whole pose is one speaming pile of bullshit, but this one - oh, this one was top kek of Russophobic Anti-Sovietism in action!
  • @L.K
    @Cyrano

    cyrano: "He was also aware how badly he screwed up by trusting Hitler"

    What an extraordinarily stupid comment! Right out of the Stalinist playbook!

    Your beloved Stalin trusted nobody, much less Hitler, a foreigner and anti-Communist whom he had never met with.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    He was also aware how badly he screwed up by trusting Hitler

    You are right. I should have phrased that better. Stalin felt disappointed that Hitler outmaneuvered him at the start of Barbarossa when he wasn’t ready. But get this, he forced that failure to commit a suicide and then he denied him a proper burial place so his degenerate admirers (one of whom seems to be you) could never visit his grave and pay respect to that dog.

  • If you read the presstitute media, Brexit—the referendum tomorrow on the UK’s exit from the EU— is about racism. According to the story line, angry rightwing racists of violent inclinations want to leave the EU to avoid having to accept more dark-skinned immigrants into England. Despite the constant propaganda against exit, polls indicated that more...
  • Whichever way the vote turns out, I doubt it that it will make too much difference for Great Britain in one crucial segment – it’s relation to US. The only difference the vote will make is whether Great Britain continues to be subservient to US via Brussel or directly and without any intermediary.

    That has to be one of the ultimate indignities – to become a colony of your former colony – the situation that GB is now in relation to US. But then again, pretty much the whole Europe is in the same boat. The unwanted Euro trash that they exported for centuries to the New World has now come a full circle – to dominate Europe economically, politically and militarily and to be masters of their destiny the way Europe once used to be a master of the destinies of the millions of those unwanted impoverished former citizens that they let emigrate to the New World without shedding a tear over their departure.

  • For the first time in many (MANY!) years, Britain has done the right thing. To paraphrase Churchill: This is not the end, It’s not even the end of the beginning, but it’s perhaps the beginning of the end of the monstrosity called EU.

    Now US has to find other ways to “unify” Europe. The only remaining tool for “unification” remains NATO. Maybe follow the example of other great “unifiers” of Europe like Napoleon and Hitler. Unifiers, occupiers – it’s all just semantics, the creators of EU know exactly what the plan was for Europe and whose interests it was supposed to serve.

  • Unless there is a truly stunning reversal soon, a victory for Remain is increasingly looking to be mathematically impossible. England outside London is voting 60% Leave. The two biggest Remain hotspots, London and Scotland, do not have the numbers to make up for it. Meanwhile, Wales and Northern Ireland are too evenly divided and too...
  • This is not the time to cry over the exit of Britain. They were mostly spoiled whiners anyway, asking for ever increasing privileges compared to the rest of the EU members. What the EU had just experienced is comparable to an organ failure. So, perhaps this is the best time for some new and healthy organ to be transplanted.

    The potential “donors”? Why, Turkey and Ukraine, of course? They have been the most enthusiastic EU wannabe members for some time now. Ukraine even went so far as to declare war on its own population in the hope of winning the imperial sympathies of EU, US, NATO.

    Ukraine might be a good potential candidate, but Turkey is the absolute favorite. With a territory 3 times that of Great Britain, almost time and the half the population of Britain, and roughly one quarter the size of GB’s economy, Turkey can replace Britain as an EU member faster than you can say jihad.

    The only downside to this arrangement might be that the newly amalgamated EU body will probably need anti-rejection drugs for the rest of its existence due to the potential incompatibility of the newly transplanted “organ”.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @Cyrano

    "in the hope of winning the imperial sympathies of EU, US, NATO."

    An iSteve commenter whose nick I now forget used to call (as well as tell) the Empire EUSUK. If the UK and the EU really do become mutually exclusive entities in the near future, that moniker will acquire a rigorousness it has heretofore lacked.

    , @tbraton
    @Cyrano

    "The potential “donors”? Why, Turkey and Ukraine, of course? They have been the most enthusiastic EU wannabe members for some time now. "

    Aren't you overlooking the fact that the UK was a net donor to the recipient EU countries, and that Ukraine definitely and Turkey probably would be additional recipient countries in the EU. So who's going to pick up the tab that the UK left on the table and the additional tab represented by Ukraine and Turkey?

    Replies: @This Is Our Home

  • British voters delivered a savage deathblow to the EU corporate superstate on Thursday sending global markets tumbling and forcing Prime Minister David Cameron to announce his resignation. The narrow victory, which caught the prognosticators by surprise, is the strongest sign yet that working people across the continent are awakening to economic and political disaster that...
  • Maybe “Brexit” signals disillusionment with government policies that justify invasion of 3rd world countries and as atonement bringing significant numbers of refugees from the same war torn countries. Multiculturalism is a capitalist version of communism. Where communism called for equality among nations – provided they stay where they are – capitalists did one better, they created multiculturalism, which is a form of internal racial communism.

    Capitalists could never agree to financial equality that communism was calling for, but racial equality – sure, why not, – as long as the primary carriers of that policy are the ordinary working class citizens. And if they object to that policy – they get labeled as the “bad” guys. How can you be against something so noble as racial communism?

    Government always thinks that they are better than the people they govern – that’s why they climbed those stairs to power – because they think that they are morally and intellectually superior to the governed masses. They set policies that are never intended to affect them in any direct way, but the full impact of those policies are supposed to fall on the back of the inferior plebes.

    “Brexit” showed that given the opportunity ordinary people can make better decisions than politicians, even if those decisions create some inconveniences for the ruling class as to how to implement them.

  • Listening to the imperial media one might be excused for thinking that nothing dramatic is happening in the Ukraine and that the crisis has basically leveled off in some way. Well, why not? They just had recent elections and, apparently, that went well, Russia is still showing her usual bad will and threatening behavior towards...
  • @Quartermaster
    Just more of Saker's usual bilge. If there is a war touched off by the fight between Orthodox Patriarchates, it will be Putin that does it. He's already shown himself a complete fool in Ukraine, so sending Tanks to Kyiv won't damage his reputation anymore than the earlier theft of Crimea, or the shipping of GRU officers to the Donbas has done.

    Putin has been an idiot and is doing little more than drubbing the Russian people again.

    By the by, Russia is a participant in the Minsk agreements. Those are Russian troops and equipment in the Donbas.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @X, @NoseytheDuke

    Do you realize you are wasting a valuable CNN watching time by writing you BS here? Go back to CNN, this is way above your intellectual level.

    • Agree: edNels
  • A Night at the Theater One evening a gentleman decides to go to the theater. There is a play showing that is reputed to be a very funny comedy. It's hilarious, people are raving about it. At various points in the middle of the performance, hecklers disrupt the play, shouting disparaging insults at the actors...
  • Why do the terrorists stage attacks against the west in the west? They try to show the true face of the west to the world. The true face of the west is not how they act at home – it’s how they act when they invade a 3rd world country – like savages. Even Putin said few years ago – “How can the west act like monsters abroad and pretend to be so nice domestically.”

    One of those 2 faces is phony – either the image of the “nice” guy domestically – or of the acting monster abroad. The terrorists are betting that the image of the nice guy is fake and they are trying to prove it. They know about the depravities that the west is capable of domestically – from history – the holocaust. The terrorists are trying to prove that when it comes to savagery – the west is no better than them, and they are trying to force the west to act their savagery not only abroad, but also at home. It looks like they are not that far from succeeding.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    They know about the depravities that the west is capable of domestically – from history – the holocaust.
     
    Is that why Israelists feel compelled to destroy Iran, which so far has resisted the tender seductions of TITT to the extent of staging such effronteries as a Holocaust Conference, and the Hebdoesque holocaust cartoon contest, prefiguring Revusky's RRN acronym. The West no-likey when Iran does Hebdo: Newsweek's Stav Ziv wrote THE BIGGEST LOSER IN TEHRAN'S HOLOCAUST CARTOON CONTEST: IRAN.
    Stav doth protest too much methinks.

    Speaking of the "depravities that the west is capable of" -- Iran has some first=hand knowledge, based on reality, not relentless RRN framing a la holohoax:

    ~ In WWI the British used Iran to supply its troops, causing famine in Iran that cost the lives of about 40% of Iran's population, "the biggest calamity of World War I and one of the worst genocides of the 20th century."

    ~ Iran was the West's plaything in WWII, used and abused by the British, Americans and Russians as a staging ground for troops and materiel to destroy Germany. Iranians at the highest level were closely networked with what was going on in Germany and in rapidly zionizing Palestine.

    ~After enduring years of rule under the puppet-shah and finally gathering enough steam to revolt, Zbigniew Brzezinski induced Jimmee Carter to foment a war between Iraq and Iran. In the course of the war, US and Germany supplied to Saddam's Iraq precursor chemicals and strategic intelligence on where to drop those chemicals that killed approx. 100,000 Iranian civilians. Iran's government appealed to the oh-so-civilized United Nations to halt the use of chemical weapons but their letters and diplomatic overtures were ignored.

    ~ Since 1995 when AIPAC wrote the Executive Order that Bill Clinton signed, sanctioning Iran and Libya; which AIPAC followed up by enshrining in law the D'Amato Amendment, Iran's economy has been undergoing the "Judea Declares War on Germany" treatment -- the attempt to destroy Iran by destroying its economy, preparatory to the actual, physical destruction of Iran for which so many Jews are "orgasmic," to borrow Avigail Abarbanel's term --

    http://www.avigailabarbanel.me.uk/gaza-2009-01-04.html
    Sunday 4th January 2009

    One of the things that is not being discussed much in the media is how much talk there is in Israel about attacking Iran. Word on the (Israeli) street is that an air attack on Iran’s nuclear reactors is imminent.

    Israel has been itching for a ‘good war’ for a while now. The botched attack on Lebanon in 2006 was a psychological disappointment that did not fulfil its purpose, and only led to a deepening chasm between the political and military arms in Israel. An Israeli friend told me in disgust the other day, that there is an atmosphere of ‘national orgasm’ in Israel about the prospect of attacking Iran. While people are being bombed in Gaza, all Israelis can talk about is the coming attack on Iran.
     
    In summ, Cyrano, stfu about the holocaust fraud. We are sick of it. The whole narrative is such a patent fraud that it's a wonder Jews don't collapse of embarrassment at it's B-grade qualities. We've all been led to believe you were so much smarter than that.

    Replies: @Jacques Sheete, @Cyrano

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    They know about the depravities that the west is capable of domestically – from history – the holocaust.
     
    Is that why Israelists feel compelled to destroy Iran, which so far has resisted the tender seductions of TITT to the extent of staging such effronteries as a Holocaust Conference, and the Hebdoesque holocaust cartoon contest, prefiguring Revusky's RRN acronym. The West no-likey when Iran does Hebdo: Newsweek's Stav Ziv wrote THE BIGGEST LOSER IN TEHRAN'S HOLOCAUST CARTOON CONTEST: IRAN.
    Stav doth protest too much methinks.

    Speaking of the "depravities that the west is capable of" -- Iran has some first=hand knowledge, based on reality, not relentless RRN framing a la holohoax:

    ~ In WWI the British used Iran to supply its troops, causing famine in Iran that cost the lives of about 40% of Iran's population, "the biggest calamity of World War I and one of the worst genocides of the 20th century."

    ~ Iran was the West's plaything in WWII, used and abused by the British, Americans and Russians as a staging ground for troops and materiel to destroy Germany. Iranians at the highest level were closely networked with what was going on in Germany and in rapidly zionizing Palestine.

    ~After enduring years of rule under the puppet-shah and finally gathering enough steam to revolt, Zbigniew Brzezinski induced Jimmee Carter to foment a war between Iraq and Iran. In the course of the war, US and Germany supplied to Saddam's Iraq precursor chemicals and strategic intelligence on where to drop those chemicals that killed approx. 100,000 Iranian civilians. Iran's government appealed to the oh-so-civilized United Nations to halt the use of chemical weapons but their letters and diplomatic overtures were ignored.

    ~ Since 1995 when AIPAC wrote the Executive Order that Bill Clinton signed, sanctioning Iran and Libya; which AIPAC followed up by enshrining in law the D'Amato Amendment, Iran's economy has been undergoing the "Judea Declares War on Germany" treatment -- the attempt to destroy Iran by destroying its economy, preparatory to the actual, physical destruction of Iran for which so many Jews are "orgasmic," to borrow Avigail Abarbanel's term --

    http://www.avigailabarbanel.me.uk/gaza-2009-01-04.html
    Sunday 4th January 2009

    One of the things that is not being discussed much in the media is how much talk there is in Israel about attacking Iran. Word on the (Israeli) street is that an air attack on Iran’s nuclear reactors is imminent.

    Israel has been itching for a ‘good war’ for a while now. The botched attack on Lebanon in 2006 was a psychological disappointment that did not fulfil its purpose, and only led to a deepening chasm between the political and military arms in Israel. An Israeli friend told me in disgust the other day, that there is an atmosphere of ‘national orgasm’ in Israel about the prospect of attacking Iran. While people are being bombed in Gaza, all Israelis can talk about is the coming attack on Iran.
     
    In summ, Cyrano, stfu about the holocaust fraud. We are sick of it. The whole narrative is such a patent fraud that it's a wonder Jews don't collapse of embarrassment at it's B-grade qualities. We've all been led to believe you were so much smarter than that.

    Replies: @Jacques Sheete, @Cyrano

    The reason why I don’t buy conspiracy theories is because they have at least one major fundaMENTAL problem (besides being MENTAL as the block capitals suggests) – and that is that conspiracies are too labor intensive. When trying to explain any event – go for the simplest explanation – it works 99% of the time.

    Logic follows the path of least resistance, not some elaborate devious, genius approaching schemes which are stuff of sci-fi books. Reality is usually bland and simple, it is not designed in Hollywood, it doesn’t have intricate plots and twists, it’s not a complicated mind bending puzzle that can be deciphered only by men of “superior” intelligence like Solonto fancies himself to possess. In short there’s no Jewish conspiracy of any kind – there never was. Jews only play by the rules written by someone else – it’s only they are better players than those who wrote the rules.

    • Replies: @Art
    @Cyrano

    In short there’s no Jewish conspiracy of any kind – there never was.

    You do not believe that.

    There is no AIPAC, no ADL, no 100's of national Jew organizations - no Israeli hasbara.

    You insult us - go away!

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    Charming sermonette on how logic is like electricity, but to what does it respond? Nothing I wrote has anything to do with conspiracy theories. I stated historical realities debunking your woe-is-we claim that Jews have unique experience of the west's "depravity."

    wrt:


    Jews only play by the rules written by someone else – it’s only they are better players than those who wrote the rules.
     
    Key Israeli leaders are on record stating precisely the opposite:

    It is, however, hard to find any principle of due process, the several Geneva Conventions, or the Nuremberg trials that has not been systematically violated in the Holy Land. Examples of criminal conduct include mass murder, extra-judicial killing, torture, detention without charge, the denial of medical care, the annexation and colonization of occupied territory, the illegal expropriation of land, ethnic cleansing, and the collective punishment of civilians, including the demolition of their homes, the systematic reduction of their infrastructure, and the de-development and impoverishment of entire regions. These crimes have been linked to a concerted effort to rewrite international law to permit actions that it traditionally prohibited, in effect enshrining the principle that might makes right.

    As the former head of the Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) Legal Department has argued:

    If you do something for long enough the world will accept it. The whole of international law is now based on the notion that an act that is forbidden today becomes permissible if executed by enough countries . . . . International law progresses through violations.

    A colleague of his has extended this notion by pointing out that:

    The more often Western states apply principles that originated in Israel to their own non-traditional conflicts in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, then the greater the chance these principles have of becoming a valuable part of international law.

    These references to Iraq and Afghanistan underscore the extent to which the United States, once the principal champion of a rule-bound international order, has followed Israel in replacing legal principles with expediency as the central regulator of its interaction with foreign peoples. The expediently amoral doctrine of preemptive war is such an Israeli transplant in the American neo-conservative psyche. Chas Freeman, 2011 Sharabi Lecture
     
    In stark contrast, in his Farewell Address George Washington urged his countrymen to hew closely to the Constitution of the United States --

    [It is my hope] that the free constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be sacredly maintained; that its administration in every department may be stamped with wisdom and virtue; that, in fine, the happiness of the people of these States, under the auspices of liberty, may be made complete, by so careful a preservation and so prudent a use of this blessing, as will acquire to them the glory of recommending it to the applause, the affection, and adoption of every nation, which is yet a stranger to it. https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlyamerica/milestone-events/george-washingtons-farewell-address-full-text
     

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @utu
    @Cyrano

    "In short there’s no Jewish conspiracy of any kind " - What about the circumcision in the US?

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    Charming sermonette on how logic is like electricity, but to what does it respond? Nothing I wrote has anything to do with conspiracy theories. I stated historical realities debunking your woe-is-we claim that Jews have unique experience of the west's "depravity."

    wrt:


    Jews only play by the rules written by someone else – it’s only they are better players than those who wrote the rules.
     
    Key Israeli leaders are on record stating precisely the opposite:

    It is, however, hard to find any principle of due process, the several Geneva Conventions, or the Nuremberg trials that has not been systematically violated in the Holy Land. Examples of criminal conduct include mass murder, extra-judicial killing, torture, detention without charge, the denial of medical care, the annexation and colonization of occupied territory, the illegal expropriation of land, ethnic cleansing, and the collective punishment of civilians, including the demolition of their homes, the systematic reduction of their infrastructure, and the de-development and impoverishment of entire regions. These crimes have been linked to a concerted effort to rewrite international law to permit actions that it traditionally prohibited, in effect enshrining the principle that might makes right.

    As the former head of the Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) Legal Department has argued:

    If you do something for long enough the world will accept it. The whole of international law is now based on the notion that an act that is forbidden today becomes permissible if executed by enough countries . . . . International law progresses through violations.

    A colleague of his has extended this notion by pointing out that:

    The more often Western states apply principles that originated in Israel to their own non-traditional conflicts in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, then the greater the chance these principles have of becoming a valuable part of international law.

    These references to Iraq and Afghanistan underscore the extent to which the United States, once the principal champion of a rule-bound international order, has followed Israel in replacing legal principles with expediency as the central regulator of its interaction with foreign peoples. The expediently amoral doctrine of preemptive war is such an Israeli transplant in the American neo-conservative psyche. Chas Freeman, 2011 Sharabi Lecture
     
    In stark contrast, in his Farewell Address George Washington urged his countrymen to hew closely to the Constitution of the United States --

    [It is my hope] that the free constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be sacredly maintained; that its administration in every department may be stamped with wisdom and virtue; that, in fine, the happiness of the people of these States, under the auspices of liberty, may be made complete, by so careful a preservation and so prudent a use of this blessing, as will acquire to them the glory of recommending it to the applause, the affection, and adoption of every nation, which is yet a stranger to it. https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlyamerica/milestone-events/george-washingtons-farewell-address-full-text
     

    Replies: @Cyrano

    As much as I find your argument riveting, I am afraid I am a wrong audience for you, sport. Here is what I suggest you do instead. Take a selected group of your fellow conspiracy theorists from this site and go on a goodwill tour of the greater middle east – where you country has performed some of the most outstanding (exceptional might be a better word) humanitarian work over the last few decades.

    And when you get there, declare yourself loud and clear as Americans. Then when you get kidnapped and tortured – as one suspect you might – tell your Muslim brothers and co-sufferers – that you are both victims of Jewish conspiracy. See how well that sits with your fellow co-sufferers – the Muslims. And if you don’t make it back alive – that’s OK – the US could use a break. It has too many of your kind anyway.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    Here is what I suggest you do instead. Take a selected group of your fellow conspiracy theorists from this site and go on a goodwill tour of the greater middle east – where you country has performed some of the most outstanding (exceptional might be a better word) humanitarian work over the last few decades.

    And when you get there, declare yourself loud and clear as Americans. Then when you get kidnapped and tortured – as one suspect you might – tell your Muslim brothers and co-sufferers – that you are both victims of Jewish conspiracy.
     
    Didn't Rachel Corrie do pretty much the very thing you suggest, Cyrano?

    Photostory: Israeli bulldozer driver murders American peace activist

    The International Solidarity Movement followed your advice -- actually, ISM has been actively engaging in "goodwill tours" of the Levant for years.

    ISM draws participants -- or, in your jargon, "conspiracy theorists," from all over the world, including the United States. Emily Henochowicz, and American college student, sought to have her eyes opened to the goings on in the Middle East and returned from the venture with only one eye.

    Furkan Doğan was one of about 14 Americans aboard the Mavi Marmara when it attempted to visit Palestine. Doğan was assassinated by IDFers who boarded the ship in international waters and replayed the USS Liberty protocol.

    To be sure, not every American who visits the Jewish enclave in the Levant ends up dead: hundreds of US senators and congressmen have made goodwill tours of Israel, as guests of Israeli agents/operatives in the USA (unregistered agents, the conspiracy theorist in me clamors to report). Funny thing about those US politicians, though: rather than "declaring themselves loud and clear as Americans," often as not, they end up (figuratively) waving the flag of Israel and boasting of their loyalty to Israel and zionism.

    In contrast ---

    I watched the video that Rurik posted, about refugees, especially Muslim immigrants in Europe. Numerous nationalities were mentioned -- Afghanis, Syrians, Moroccans, Turks, etc., and their bad deeds and evil intentions depicted and decried.

    But I heard no mention of Iranians overrunning Europe, or of Iranian men raping European women, or of Persians voicing their intention to conquer Europe "not by war but by producing Muslim babies, either by Muslim women or by impregnating European women.

    I found that interesting: No Iranians among the bad actors besieging Europe.
    American lawmakers cannot stand within 20 feet of a microphone without blaring, "Iran is the No. One State Sponsor of Terrorism!"

    I spent over three weeks in Iran, traveling from Tehran to Keng, from Naishapour to Shiraz, from Mashad to Isfehan; I crossed one of Iran's great deserts, climbed the Tower of Silence in Yazd and drove past two of Iran's nuclear power plants, but the only moment of fear I experienced was when it was reported that Hillary Clinton, in an attempt to defeat John Kerry in Pennsylvania primaries, declared, "We will obliterate you, Iran!"

    But you're right: consequent to Hillary's bold statement of how she would engage my country with others in the world, I had a one-hour long conversation with a Iranian man who had previously worked for an American corporation in Iran. The conversation was sheer torture. I'd never before been ashamed to be an American.

    Replies: @Jacques Sheete, @Cyrano

    , @helena
    @Cyrano

    "Take a selected group of your fellow conspiracy theorists "

    I don't read all SC's posts but I've read a lot and all I've ever seen is extracts from documents. Are you saying these documents don't exist ?

  • @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano


    Here is what I suggest you do instead. Take a selected group of your fellow conspiracy theorists from this site and go on a goodwill tour of the greater middle east – where you country has performed some of the most outstanding (exceptional might be a better word) humanitarian work over the last few decades.

    And when you get there, declare yourself loud and clear as Americans. Then when you get kidnapped and tortured – as one suspect you might – tell your Muslim brothers and co-sufferers – that you are both victims of Jewish conspiracy.
     
    Didn't Rachel Corrie do pretty much the very thing you suggest, Cyrano?

    Photostory: Israeli bulldozer driver murders American peace activist

    The International Solidarity Movement followed your advice -- actually, ISM has been actively engaging in "goodwill tours" of the Levant for years.

    ISM draws participants -- or, in your jargon, "conspiracy theorists," from all over the world, including the United States. Emily Henochowicz, and American college student, sought to have her eyes opened to the goings on in the Middle East and returned from the venture with only one eye.

    Furkan Doğan was one of about 14 Americans aboard the Mavi Marmara when it attempted to visit Palestine. Doğan was assassinated by IDFers who boarded the ship in international waters and replayed the USS Liberty protocol.

    To be sure, not every American who visits the Jewish enclave in the Levant ends up dead: hundreds of US senators and congressmen have made goodwill tours of Israel, as guests of Israeli agents/operatives in the USA (unregistered agents, the conspiracy theorist in me clamors to report). Funny thing about those US politicians, though: rather than "declaring themselves loud and clear as Americans," often as not, they end up (figuratively) waving the flag of Israel and boasting of their loyalty to Israel and zionism.

    In contrast ---

    I watched the video that Rurik posted, about refugees, especially Muslim immigrants in Europe. Numerous nationalities were mentioned -- Afghanis, Syrians, Moroccans, Turks, etc., and their bad deeds and evil intentions depicted and decried.

    But I heard no mention of Iranians overrunning Europe, or of Iranian men raping European women, or of Persians voicing their intention to conquer Europe "not by war but by producing Muslim babies, either by Muslim women or by impregnating European women.

    I found that interesting: No Iranians among the bad actors besieging Europe.
    American lawmakers cannot stand within 20 feet of a microphone without blaring, "Iran is the No. One State Sponsor of Terrorism!"

    I spent over three weeks in Iran, traveling from Tehran to Keng, from Naishapour to Shiraz, from Mashad to Isfehan; I crossed one of Iran's great deserts, climbed the Tower of Silence in Yazd and drove past two of Iran's nuclear power plants, but the only moment of fear I experienced was when it was reported that Hillary Clinton, in an attempt to defeat John Kerry in Pennsylvania primaries, declared, "We will obliterate you, Iran!"

    But you're right: consequent to Hillary's bold statement of how she would engage my country with others in the world, I had a one-hour long conversation with a Iranian man who had previously worked for an American corporation in Iran. The conversation was sheer torture. I'd never before been ashamed to be an American.

    Replies: @Jacques Sheete, @Cyrano

    Who said anything about visiting Israel? Are you stupid or something? Of course you should stay clear of Israel. Everybody knows by now that they are the biggest enemies of US in the middle east.

    Go visit places like Iraq and Syria and Libya – an obvious beneficiaries of your country’s efforts to bring democracy to them. Don’t go as part of any organized group or anything. Just don’t forget to mention that you are Americans. I am sure that they’ll brake down in tears when they hear who their hostages – I mean visitors – are. Take with you your friends Helena and Jacues. They seem like a people who could use a trip like that too.

    And don’t worry about Iran either. Except for few sanctions from US they have hardly benefited from any real effort by your country to bring democracy to them. Now if anybody would have taken seriously McCain and his singing endorsement (Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran) that would have been something that Iranians could’ve been grateful about.

  • @Jonathan Revusky
    @Ron Unz


    Yet it looks like only 1 or 2 of the interviews were fake-seeming enough for debunkers to post on YouTube with sarcastic commentary. Doesn’t that tend to imply that the other 99% of the interviews were *not* fake-seeming, but came across as totally legitimate?
     
    Uh, no, I don't think so, frankly. If I want to make the case that Death Valley is a bloody hot place, I might take video from the very hottest days of the year to make my case, film an egg frying on the sidewalk, that kind of thing. That does not imply that the other days are cool precisely. They're bloody hot as well, just somewhat less hot, since, yes, I did choose the most horridly hot days to use as an example, okay.

    By the same token, if the people making these videos are focusing on the most blatantly fake interviews, that does not imply that whatever other interviews they did not use "come across as totally legitimate". They might come across as pretty fake as well, but not quite as freaking blatant as the ones people are focusing on.

    So, with the Bataclan theater event in Paris, I find the most blatantly fake interviews are Ginnie Watson, and this Emma Parkinson, the Australian girl who was allegedly shot in the ass. True, the people making such videos may have concentrated on those two, as I chose to link them because I thought they were pretty blatantly fake. You yourself conceded that the interviews I linked in the article were really blatantly phony, so that much is not under debate. Again, I don't see how that implies that the other interviews were "totally legitimate". I think you'd have to look at them one by one and judge for yourself.

    I’d be much more suspicious if e.g. the Orlando Massacre had 15 fake-seeming YouTube interviews of different victims rather than just that single fake-seeming aspiring actress.
     
    Well, the aspiring actress, Ginnie Watson, that's from the Paris thing last November. There are other blatant phonies in the Orlando one. For example, this Christine Leinonen woman.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9FuyjaRYs

    How much would it cost some activist to buy a plane ticket to Orlando and stay at a cheap motel for a week or two?
     
    Well, Orlando is fairly recent and I don't know if there aren't people who have done precisely that. In the case of the Sandy Hook shooting of three and a half years ago, consider this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting_conspiracy_theories#Harassment_by_conspiracy_theorists

    The claim on Wikipedia is that "conspiracy theorists" were harassing people there in Sandy Hook. Now, read between the lines and tell me what you think is really going on. It looks to me like this guy Matthew Mills, did exactly what you are proposing. He went to the place and tried to get to the bottom of things. And they seem to have constructed some stitch-up to prosecute him for "harassing" these "poor people".

    Now, the fact is that I can't drop what I'm doing and go off to Florida and investigate this. (And I'm certainly not doing that in the month of July!) But here is my best guess as to what would happen. It would be something like this Matthew Mills case. And then there would probably end up being a section on the Wikipedia page devoted to this event saying that the notorious "conspiracy theorist" Jonathan Revusky was on the scene harassing the grieving survivors and whatnot. Of course, the person being harassed would be me!

    Now, in that above thing about Sandy Hook, some of the people allegedly being harassed by "conspiracy theorists" include this Gene Rosen character and also the father of one of the girls allegedly killed, one Robbie Parker. Have you seen the famous Robbie Parker video of him getting into character? This is well worth watching:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKr-av9jVx8

    Note also that Paul Craig Roberts wrote an article about Sandy Hook that appeared on this site. https://www.unz.com/proberts/sandy-hook-puzzles/

    The first photo in this article is of the Parker family and it is obviously photoshopped. My sense of things is that there is a huge accumulation of evidence that there is fakery in these events.

    But, anyway, specifically in the Sandy Hook case, you have this guy Matthew Mills who did what you propose! And look what happened! It is reasonable to suspect that if I went to Orlando and started approaching people and tried to get answers, something similar would happen to me.

    Either the debunkers are astonishingly lazy or the events really happened.
     
    Well, I should make the point that the normal usage in the independent research community is to use the word "debunker" to the people who try to debunk "conspiracy theories".

    In any case, I honestly don't know whether you are deliberately playing devil's advocate here. To me, what you're saying borders on sheer silliness, this idea being that the independent researchers (i.e. conspiracists) are too "lazy". It's like saying they didn't jump high enough and not realizing that no matter how high you jump, they'll just raise the bar higher.

    I don't know whether you ever read the Peanuts comic strip, but you probably did, and surely you know that Lucy (the little ballbreaker in training) is never going to let Charlie Brown kick that football. The whole idea that the problem is that the people in the Truth community are too lazy and if they did some incremental amount of extra work, they would convince all the HIQIs out there -- that's really just not what's going on, Ron.

    The evidence of fakery in these synthetic events is overwhelming. At San Bernardino, they were running a "live shooter drill" on the very day that the actual thing happened. Not only that, but they were running them on a monthly basis there. What is the probability of an actual live shooter scenario happening organically on the same day in the same place as a drill of the event? How bloody willfully stupid does somebody have to be to believe that this is a coincidence?

    Take this other idiot that I replied to just yesterday. He tried to tell me that those black kids who allegedly had had their mother murdered a day before in Charleston looked happy because they were very religious and would be happy that their mother was up in heaven with God. How do you deal with such willful obtuseness? Just how obviously fake would something have to be for this guy to realize that it's fake? It's mind-boggling!

    No matter what evidence you put in front of these people, it's just never enough. The first two articles on this site have very much gone over this sort of thing, the tactics that are used to rig the game. Your concept is that if you really put together utterly irrefutable proof, that you'll win the day. If Charlie Brown just concentrates and tries a bit harder, he will manage to kick that football.... (NOT!)

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Cyrano

    Uh, no, I don’t think so, frankly. If I want to make the case that Death Valley is a bloody hot place, I might take video from the very hottest days of the year to make my case, film an egg frying on the sidewalk, that kind of thing. That does not imply that the other days are cool precisely. They’re bloody hot as well, just somewhat less hot, since, yes, I did choose the most horridly hot days to use as an example, okay.

    That’s just brilliant. Comparing the predictability of weather patterns based on observation of 2 days in a static weather zone to human behavior and likelihood that you can predict the veracity of replies of a large group of people based on statements from 2.

    According to your logic when parents have a child, they should let it live for 2 days and then shoot it. Because after letting it sample life for that amount of time, why let it go through the same drag over and over again – 2 days is enough to find out what life is all about.

    His/her life might prove more interesting than drooling and crying and sleeping like during the first 2 days, but then again it might not. Interviewing 2 people out of a 100 doesn’t prove anything one way or another. Interviewing all 100 of them might prove something but you still have to take into account their personalities. Your whole argument is bogus.

  • So far in response to the “clash of civilizations” between Islam and the west 4 major schools of thought have emerged as to how to deal with the Islamic world:

    1. Keep bombing them and keep bringing them to the west. Major proponents of this policy are Hillary, Merkel and the rest of the western degenerate leaders under the influence of Washington. The rationale behind this policy is that “We hate their governments, but we love their people”. Gee, they must really, really hate their governments when in the process of replacing them, the west had killed millions of the people that they “love”. But western humanitarianism has no boundaries, what are few million casualties when the prospect of democracy is on the horizon. One day they’re going to be thankful for all the carnage.

    2. Keep bombing them and stop bringing them over. Major proponent of this policy used to be Trump, although lately he is changing his tune. Not as humanitarian as policy No.1., but still willing to shed some blood for democracy. Major flaw in this policy is that although it still shows dislike for the governments in the Islamic world, it doesn’t show enough love for their people.

    3. Stop bombing them and keep bringing them here. I haven’t been able to identify a major political figure behind this policy, but it seems to me that conspiracy theorists would theoretically support this policy in order to help their oppressed Muslim brothers who are suffering under the Jewish conspiracies – just like them.

    4. Stop bombing them and stop bringing them here. This is the most appalling policy of them all. No humanitarianism here whatsoever. The proponents of this policy are not only reluctant to kill any Muslims in order to help the birth of democracy in their countries, but they don’t want to bring any of them over here to showcase them the wonders of western democracy. This additionally slows down the process of bringing democracy to the Islamic world. Because, you see, if they bring them over here, they’ll get so impressed with what democracy has to offer, that they’re going to communicate this to their compatriots back home and thus spur inevitable revolutions in the Islamic world – resulting in democracy. I believe that “Brexiters” are proponents of the policy No.4. Obviously, misguided and selfish group of people who have lost all their sense of humanitarianism.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Cyrano

    Merkel is #3.

    , @Art
    @Cyrano


    4. Stop bombing them and stop bringing them here. This is the most appalling policy of them all. No humanitarianism here whatsoever. ...yada ... yada ... yada ... I believe that “Brexiters” are proponents of the policy No.4. Obviously, misguided and selfish group of people who have lost all their sense of humanitarianism.
     
    A Jew who dares to use the word "humanitarianism" - what gonads.

    Why should anyone take advice from a Jew who loves Israel. They have managed to get themselves rightfully hated like no other country in the world.

    No bombing --- GOOD ---- having people live in their own environment and work things out for the better --- more then GOOD --- the BEST.

    Do no harm - do no harm - do no harm.

    p.s. Surprise surprise - the Jew wants to bring harmful terrorists to America. The better for Israel. He shames us, if we do not.

    p.s. Go away Jew - go to your country - Israel.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @fru_ppl

  • @Art
    @Cyrano


    4. Stop bombing them and stop bringing them here. This is the most appalling policy of them all. No humanitarianism here whatsoever. ...yada ... yada ... yada ... I believe that “Brexiters” are proponents of the policy No.4. Obviously, misguided and selfish group of people who have lost all their sense of humanitarianism.
     
    A Jew who dares to use the word "humanitarianism" - what gonads.

    Why should anyone take advice from a Jew who loves Israel. They have managed to get themselves rightfully hated like no other country in the world.

    No bombing --- GOOD ---- having people live in their own environment and work things out for the better --- more then GOOD --- the BEST.

    Do no harm - do no harm - do no harm.

    p.s. Surprise surprise - the Jew wants to bring harmful terrorists to America. The better for Israel. He shames us, if we do not.

    p.s. Go away Jew - go to your country - Israel.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @fru_ppl

    Are you familiar with the word satire? I am actually for #4. It’s the only one that makes sense, the rest of them are baloney. As for me being a Jew – how I wish.

    • Replies: @Art
    @Cyrano

    Cyrano --- Sorry - my error - I got it wrong on both issues - Art

    p.s. Why would you want to a Jew - they are once again on the wrong side history.

  • This has been an amazing week which saw the first clear sign of the collapse of the EU and Turkish President Erdogan presenting his excuses to Russia for the downing of a Russian SU-24 over Syria 7 month ago. While the latter event was largely eclipsed by the former, it might be the sign of...
  • Russia wanted to put Turkey out of their misery as early as the Crimean war. I guess you could say they were in favor of assisted dying to the degenerate empire called “The sick man of the Bosphorus.”

    Unfortunately, France and Britain stepped in to play the nurses to the “sick man” like in some bad porno movie. Anyhow, thanks to their intervention the “sick man” survived, but now is showing signs of mental illness. I just get kick out of Turkey being offended for having its actions against Armenia in WW1 called “genocide”.

    The whole existence of the Ottoman Empire was genocidal, with the recipients being usually the European Christians. Remember Vlad the Impaler? Well, it turns out he learned his favourite method of capital punishment from the Turks and he often did practice it on them.

    Thank God that Turks didn’t invent any major religion, because I suspect that they might have used a figure of a man with a pole in his bum as a symbol of that religion. Although given the present day circumstances, the gay community might have embraced a religion that uses such a symbol.

  • @Kiza
    @Talha

    By all objective measures, the Turkish military is one of the most powerful in the World, perhaps the sixth conventional military power in the World (excluding nuclear weapons). But I am not sure what the Erdogan's clean up/jailing of non-Islamist generals has done to the military morale. The Turks even believe that they own the US tactical nuclear bombs stored at their territory, which gives them an over-confidence of even a nuclear power.

    Therefore, the Turkish military would not be a pushover, but I doubt it could recreate the Ottoman Empire of AKP's desire either. I think that Turkish lower and rural classes (the AKP voters) just love their opium too much, which produces these dream of imperial restoration. Perhaps, the Russians should consider starting to arming the Kurds.

    Replies: @Talha, @Cyrano, @RadicalCenter

    I think you’re delusional. Turkey a great power? Ha, ha. Remember the Balkan wars – specifically the 1st one? The three Balkan “powers” with combined population of less than half of Turkey population routed them in mere months. Nobody saw that coming. The western powers were predicting that Turkey – aka the Ottoman empire will squash the Balkan states with ease.

    Some even say that the Armenian genocide which came 3 years later was a payback for the Christians of Europe kicking Turkey’s butt in the Balkan wars.

    The situation hasn’t changed much these days. The 3, ok, make that 4 (although the 4th one – Montenegro doesn’t count for much) Balkan “powers” still have combined population of less than half than that of Turkey. Even though they can’t see eye to eye on any issue between themselves – when it comes to Turkey – I won’t be surprised if they unite in a blink of an eye. That’s how deeply the passions against their former tormentors run. And if I had to predict an outcome – I would say repeat of the 1st Balkan war. The fact that except Serbia the rest of them are NATO members wouldn’t even come under consideration.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    @Cyrano

    I would not call you dillusional but your idea that the Macedonans for example could unite with the Greeks or Serbians to fight the Turks has that compete loss-of-touch flavour with a tinge of chest beating. These are the same Macedonians who are sucking Albanan warts and praying to papa-US to spare them from the Serbian fate (which papa does for now, but will deliver them to the Albanians in the medium term).

    Every now and then some chest beater from the Balkans appears here at unz and then disappears. This zine is not for that kind.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Cyrano

  • What’s this zine for? For glorifying Turkey? Not even their own population has respect for them. If anybody benefits from papa-US it’s Turkey. If it wasn’t for them, you wouldn’t even exist as a country let alone beg to join EU. Sweet dreams on that one too, by the way.

  • @Kiza
    @Cyrano

    I would not call you dillusional but your idea that the Macedonans for example could unite with the Greeks or Serbians to fight the Turks has that compete loss-of-touch flavour with a tinge of chest beating. These are the same Macedonians who are sucking Albanan warts and praying to papa-US to spare them from the Serbian fate (which papa does for now, but will deliver them to the Albanians in the medium term).

    Every now and then some chest beater from the Balkans appears here at unz and then disappears. This zine is not for that kind.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Cyrano

    You are not only divorced from reality, but even fantasy refuses to have an affair with you. That’s how far gone you are. Take you BS comments elsewhere, you expert on Turkish affairs.

  • @Kiza
    @Cyrano

    I would not call you dillusional but your idea that the Macedonans for example could unite with the Greeks or Serbians to fight the Turks has that compete loss-of-touch flavour with a tinge of chest beating. These are the same Macedonians who are sucking Albanan warts and praying to papa-US to spare them from the Serbian fate (which papa does for now, but will deliver them to the Albanians in the medium term).

    Every now and then some chest beater from the Balkans appears here at unz and then disappears. This zine is not for that kind.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Cyrano

    This zine is not for that kind.

    My kind is good. What kind are you, you filthy dog?

  • I am intrigued by one aspect of both the Donald Trump campaign and the Brexit vote, namely the nearly fanatical vilification of the suggestion that a nation might actually seek to exercise some kind of control over immigration in order to maintain its cultural and religious identity. Both Trump supporters and Brexit voters have been...
  • Multiculturalism or chaotic and unrestricted immigration breaks down social cohesion, and guess what – you need social cohesion if you want a united front against the government. In other words, multiculturalism is good for preventing regime change revolutions.

    The message that the government is sending to their citizens via the uncontrolled immigration is: If you don’t like us – that’s too bad, we can replace you with someone who will love us – immigrants from the third world. Immigration takes away jobs from the natives and keeps them weak. Instead of outsourcing the jobs overseas, with immigration – the jobs are outsourced internally – to the newcomers.

    The newcomers feel nothing but gratitude for the governments in their new countries and they are the population that the government can count on the most in terms of loyalty. Love is easy to buy, and love bought by the government from third world immigrants is way cheaper than trying to buy love from the indigenous population which demands ever increasing wages, social services and all kinds of other privileges.

  • Here's a New York Times oped by a German establishmentarian advocating something I've been warning about in recent Taki's Magazine columns: the Establishment ideology of globalism is leading not to democracy, but to the German Chancellor autocratically ruling Europe as god-empress: After Brexit, Can Germany Lead Europe Alone? By ANNA SAUERBREY JULY 4, 2016 Anna...
  • Poland is a great example that religion is not only good for spiritual delusions but political as well. You see, Polacks believe that their great religion makes them equal with the western Europeans. Funny how vintage 1939 Germans didn’t think so. If Nazi Germany remained in power for few more years, Polacks would have been slaughtered like pigs to the last one.

    Even now in post Brexit GB – one of the most targeted groups for racial hatred and abuse were the Polish. I guess that’s because the British – like their German cousins – think of the Polish as equal.

    Religion is one of the most powerful tools for manipulation – in Poland’s case – it’s even easier, because the west doesn’t have to do anything at all, Polish use their religion to manipulate themselves with it on their own.

    In their twisted minds they are the defenders of the western civilization against the wild hordes from the east – Russia. How does that make any sense? How can it make any sense to defend against civilization – the Russian one – compared to whom you are inferior? Who needs defending from whom?

    If you compare Russian achievements in arts, science, not to mention military achievements – which one is the inferior culture? The only prominent civilizational products of Poland that I can think of are: Chopin, Marie Currie and Joseph Konrad. But yeah, keep on defending, Europe thinks of you as equals and they’re going to be very grateful to you one day. They might even elect another Pope from your ranks just to keep you believing that you’re equal.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Cyrano

    I am sorry that my countryman took your job.

  • Vladimir Putin recently manned up and admitted it. The United States remains the planet’s sole superpower, as it has been since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. “America,” the Russian president said, “is a great power. Today, probably, the only superpower. We accept that.” Think of us, in fact, as the default superpower in an...
  • That’s what I like about the Americans, that they are so modest. Where the Germans spoke about a 1000 years Reich, the Americans speak only of a 100 year American reign (of terror), hopefully with an eye on renewing that contract 9 more times in order to match their ideological predecessors’ predictions of longevity.

    Other similarities that I’ve noticed? – Ubermensch = Exceptionalism. Need to contain bolshevism = Contain Russian “aggression”, and so on and so on.

    I think that Putin was awfully generous. US will be considered a great military power (never mind superpower) when they start giving medals for bravery to the drone operators. Until then, it’s just a country with a lot of junk that it doesn’t even know how to use in order to win any war.

  • Just as the corporate media is not reporting that the USA and Russia are on a collision course which can end up in nuclear war, the corporate media is not reporting that the Ukraine is falling apart. That does not mean, however, that this is not happening. It is. In fact, it has been for...
  • It seems that in Ukraine today conditions exist that might even result in another catastrophe like the famine of the 1930’s, to which some decided to give a genocidal name “Holodomor”. I suspect that in case of such an unfortunate scenario – the blame will be assigned again to the Russians.

    Never mind that if there is one single character trait that all Ukrainians arguably possess is that they never know when it’s time to get on with the program. Rebelling against the collectivization in the 1930’s was what led to the famine then, and rebelling against the economic union with Russia in 2014 is what might lead to the possible collapse of Ukraine in the near future.

    Both are examples of total lack of vision by the Ukrainians as to what course of action might be most beneficial to them as a “nation”. After all these are the same people who welcomed the invading Germans with flowers – as liberators in 1941 – the ones who were responsible for such pearls of wisdom as Slavs are untermensch and yet somehow the Ukrainians felt excluded from such generous descriptions by the Germans.

    Like it didn’t occur to them that they might be Slavs too. Talking about delusions. It’s no wonder that the current generation of Ukrainians sees the west as “saviors” and the Russians as oppressors of Ukraine. It seems it’s in their DNA. What is wrong with these people? Are they even capable of learning anything from their mistakes from 80 and 70 years ago?

    • Replies: @Avery
    @Cyrano

    You make good points.

    With its incredible natural wealth, abundant rich farmland, seashore..... Ukraine should be at least as prosperous as Russia. Actually, by all rights, could be a lot more prosperous.

    Yet.

    2015 Per Capita GDP:
    Ukraine ~$ 7,500
    Russia ~$25,000

    They are slowly self-destructing.
    Really strange behaviour.

    Replies: @gerad, @Bill Jones

    , @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    Were the Ukrainians who welcomed the Germans really so stupid? After all they knew what Stalin had had Kaganovichdp to them and that was arguably worse than what Hitler did to the Poles. And maybe Hitler wasn't even going to decapitate the Ukrainians as he had been doing with the Poles. They could at least hope that the Germans would be better than the Soviet leadership in Moscow.

    Replies: @Khan Bodin, @Cyrano

  • @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    Were the Ukrainians who welcomed the Germans really so stupid? After all they knew what Stalin had had Kaganovichdp to them and that was arguably worse than what Hitler did to the Poles. And maybe Hitler wasn't even going to decapitate the Ukrainians as he had been doing with the Poles. They could at least hope that the Germans would be better than the Soviet leadership in Moscow.

    Replies: @Khan Bodin, @Cyrano

    It’s a known fact that Stalin had no great love for the Ukrainians. For him, a peasant wanting to possess even a few cows and horses – was a sign of dangerous bourgeois tendencies that needed to be dealt with harshly. So he did, and the result was the famine. Although it seems that even he realized that he might have overdone the whole thing, so he penned up a piece called “Dizzy with success” in which he tried to blame the whole tragedy of the famine on overzealous commissars.

    On the other hand, trying to portray the whole tragedy of the famine as being motivated by some kind of genocidal racism of the Russians towards the Ukrainians is beyond retarded. Yet, this seems to be the favorite way the Ukrainians like to interpret the whole tragedy. The main reason it happened was Stalin and the Russian people had no control over his actions. As for the Ukrainians welcoming the Germans as liberators – they were not entirely disappointed in their expectations. The Germans did liberate a large number of them – from their lives – so their unbridled enthusiasm for seeing the Germans as saviors was not completely unfounded.

  • A lousy dancer blames the uneven floor, and Mme Clinton had proven to be an unexpectedly lousy dancer in the competition for the presidency against the blundering New York tycoon. We would expect her to win or lose graciously, as befits a former First Lady, but gosh, she is clumsy – and blames her lack...
  • @Rehmat
    Mr. Shamir, if you study western history from some objective source, you would learn that both Hillary and Putin are mass murderers like the good-old Caesar. Hillary destroyed Africa's most rich, socialist and stable country - Libya for Israel.

    Putin, on his part, killed tens of thousands and made over one million Chechen Muslims as part of Russian imperialism and a revenge for Red Army defeat in Afghanistan.

    “I have been a combat soldier and have covered twelve high intensity wars from the front, but I have never seen anything that equals the heroism and boundless courage of the Chechen Mujahideen, who have no formal military training, have no heavy weapons and are even short of anti-tank rockets. There is almost no medicine or morphine for their wounded and no shelter from massive Russian bombardment which includes banned fuel air explosives, toxic gas and napalm. If taken alive by Russian they will be tortured first and then executed,” – Eric Margolis, a Canadian columnist and broadcaster......

    https://rehmat1.com/2009/02/02/chechnya-without-chechens/

    Replies: @frank, @Cyrano, @Israel Shamir, @Anna, @Anonymous

    About the “Canadian journalist”.- Of course he’ll be praising the bravery of the Chechen Mujahedeen. It takes a hero to recognize heroes. That a-hole once claimed that he has fired on Soviet troops in combat in Afghanistan. I guess if the Soviets knew what a fearsome warrior is fighting against them, they would have surrendered right then and there. The “Canadian journalist” is a total phony and I don’t know why he is even being published in this respectful magazine.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
    @Cyrano

    The "Canadian journalist" is not Eric Margolis, who was fired by The Sun under pressure from the Canadian Jewish Congress and B'nai B'rith. Outlook India will never publish Eric's article though they're published at UNZ.

    I'm sure Eric Margolis didn't authored the article where B'nai B'rith claimed that 4 million Canadians hate Jews considering Muslims only make one million amongst Canada's 35 million population.

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/07/07/bnai-brith-canada-four-million-canadians-hate-jews/

  • @CalDre
    @Avery

    ""What is the point of reading about Hitler’s motivations? .... Nazi war-criminals invaded USSR unprovoked"

    It seems you do believe motivations matter, in your second point. No, the invasion was not unprovoked, as you put it. The whole point of me pointing to the speech, is that you can understand the provocations. And they were not minor ones; indeed, the future of civilization was at stake.

    Did Nazis commit war crimes in USSR? No doubt. But less than the Bolsheviks and Stalinists did. Which is exactly why the Nazis invaded in the first place. To put it bluntly, if the Communists had not been internationalist totalitarian mass murdering barbarians, Operation Barbarossa would never have happened at all.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Avery

    To put it bluntly, if the Communists had not been internationalist totalitarian mass murdering barbarians, Operation Barbarossa would never have happened at all.

    That’s right man. The Germans actually invaded Russia to save the prisoners from the Gulag. They were in fact the greatest humanitarians the world has ever seen. How did anybody miss that?

    • Replies: @CalDre
    @Cyrano


    That’s right man. The Germans actually invaded Russia to save the prisoners from the Gulag. They were in fact the greatest humanitarians the world has ever seen. How did anybody miss that?
     
    Nice strawman. Obviously Hitler would have been content to let Russians suffer the consequences of their own stupidity had he not been worried about a Communist world takeover (since at the time Europe was still controlling the world, a Soviet takeover of Europe would have inexorably resulted in a global Communist takeover).

    But the fact is Hitler understood that the plan was to impose Communism over the entire world. Now if Communism had been a nice, helpful, enlightening, spiritual system, he may well have been OK with that. Since, however, it instead involved totalitarianism, multiple genocides, gulags, starvation, and every misery imaginable, well, suffice to say, the Germans did not wish to meet that fate.

    Is it really that difficult to grasp the obvious? Even the other "Allies" started a Cold War against the USSR due to the same reason - but unlike Germany, they were not facing 5 mullion troops and 10,000s tanks and airplanes massed on their border with no conceivable defense (other than a surprise attack, and even that didn't work).

    Replies: @5371

  • @CalDre
    @Israel Shamir

    Israel, nice to have your comment, I'm a big fan of your writings and agree with a lot of your analyses (e.g. I have written Comment 52 myself many times!). However this is one point on which I don't think we have agreement, so let me make some counterpoints.

    First, I do not think memoirs are very helpful. The post-WW II propaganda was so tremendous, and the losses for the Soviets so severe, and the political and thought control so extreme, I do not expect anybody to admit on plans to "take over the world" 50 years after the fact and thus switch blame for WW II to the USSR. To the extent any memoirs came out after the collapse of totalitarianism, when independent thought was even permitted, there might be a bit more room for belief but frankly I don't even trust memoirs written in the "West", they all tend to be rather self-serving.

    Although I laud a lot of the data that has been revealed in the opening of the various archives (including proper attribution for the Katyn Massacre and the Auschwitz death books), I am not sure what Politburo minutes you are speaking of. Can you provide a link to more information about these minutes that prove Stalin was happy to have only Russia subjected to his reign?

    Now I think what is relevant to look at in terms of Stalin's intentions is his acts, not Politburo minutes. (And in fact I wonder if the Politburo minutes make reference to these acts?) Many of these acts are mentioned in Hitlers proclamation of war (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/hitlersoviet.html), but they include (i) Soviet actions regarding Finland, (ii) Soviet actions regarding the Baltic States, (iii) Soviet actions regarding Bessarabia and the rest of Romania, (iv) Soviet actions regarding Yugoslavia and its then parts, (v) Soviet actions in Spain, (vi) Soviet actions in supporting Communist revolutionaries throughout Europe, particularly in Germany prior to their defeat by the Nazis, (vii) Soviet mass production of tanks, airplanes and other weaponry, and (viii) Soviet massing of 5 million troops on the border with Germany while Germany had virtually no troops on its border with Soviet Union. There are probably some items I have forgotten but you get the gist, I'm sure.

    Moreover, after WW II, Stalin did in fact export Communism to all of the countries vanquished by the Red Army, calling his totalitarian nightmare "liberation" (and many Russians continue to refer to "liberation" of those countries). While I can understand the implementation of a buffer zone, given the Napoleonic War and WW II, there was no reason to subject the buffer countries to Communism. I think this proves rather clearly that Stalin's goal was to impose Communism wherever he could. And may I remind you of Kruschev's banging of his shoe at the UN?

    I understand that Stalin "betrayed the revolution". To me this is not because he ceased wanting Communism globally (as Trotsky claimed), but because he purged a good number of the Jewish leadership of Communism (and made it more "nationalistic" in that sense alone).

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Moreover, after WW II, Stalin did in fact export Communism to all of the countries vanquished by the Red Army, calling his totalitarian nightmare “liberation” (and many Russians continue to refer to “liberation” of those countries).

    Ask any of the countries that had the pleasure to be occupied both by Germany and USSR and you’ll find out who did they prefer more. Take Poland for example – did they fare better under German occupation – some 20% of the population slaughtered by them -or under the Russians. But yeah, Nazis were great man, all they ever did was preemptively liberate countries that were about to be overrun by communists. Keep reading your propaganda, you don’t have the brain for this.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    @Cyrano


    Take Poland for example – did they fare better under German occupation
     
    http://blogs.lt.vt.edu/hcm3soviethistory/files/2013/10/Les_mrtvych_v_Katyne.jpg

    http://www.quarterly-review.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Katyn.png

    hands tied behind their backs, the best of the Polish people were marched to the edges of pits and shot in the back of the head, by the tens of thousands

    if you were a Polish communist who sympathized with what the NKVD did at Katyn, then I suppose the Nazis were unlikely to treat you with kid gloves. But if you were a regular Polish citizen, perhaps a relative of one of the people shot like a dog at Katyn, then ...

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @CalDre
    @Cyrano


    Take Poland for example – did they fare better under German occupation – some 20% of the population slaughtered by them -or under the Russians.
     
    So, let's take Poland - close allies with Germany and bitter enmity with Russia. Good example.

    And look which way even Ukraine is looking? Hmmmm.

    Even Baltic States are joining EU and NATO due to the bad taste in their mouth of Soviet occupation.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @utu
    @Cyrano

    " Take Poland for example – did they fare better under German occupation – some 20% of the population slaughtered by them -or under the Russians." - Between Sept 17, 1939 and June 22, 1941 more Poles were killed in Soviet occupation zone than in German occupation zone. In the Soviet occupation zone Polish Jews betrayed Poland and collaborated with Soviets making lists of Poles to be arrested, killed and deported. June 22, 1941 German invasions saved many lives of Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians who were Polish citizens under Soviet occupation but at it endangered lives of Polish Jews.

    The number "20% of the population" is, in my opinion, way too large. This number was arrived as follows: Zionists claimed that all Polish Jews, i.e., 3 millions, were killed and Polish Communist government for the sake of balance threw in 3 millions of non-Jewish victims. These were political decisions. No historians or demography experts were present when it was made.

    Replies: @Avery

  • @CalDre
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wikipedia is extremely unreliable source, particularly when anything affecting the Empire is involved. The idea of "Lebensraum" is way beyond the scope of this article but all I can repeat is that I do not think this concept had any bearing on Germany's decision to invade the Soviet Union. Rather I do believe that Hitler feared the subjugation of all of Europe to the totalitarian Bolshevik yoke (whether or not the Soviets actually intended to do this in 1941, something Israel Shamir debates based on Politburo records in a comment above, is another matter).

    I would also note that Germany had numerous Slav allies (Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, parts of Yugoslavia, parts of Baltic States). This really should have put to bed the claim that Germany's goal was the subjugation and destruction of Slavs. The main bone Hitler had to pick with the Russian people was not that they were Slavs, but that they allowed themselves to become ruled by internationalist Jewish Bolsheviks who committed numerous genocides against the Russian people, particularly the Orthodox Christians and the kulaks. This was not a future Hitler wanted for Europe.

    If Britain and France had not declared war on Germany for invading Poland (or had also declared war on the Soviet Union for doing the exact same thing), and if Stalin had not massed many millions of troops on his border with Germany, WW II could have been avoided in my opinion.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Wizard of Oz

    I would also note that Germany had numerous Slav allies (Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, parts of Yugoslavia, parts of Baltic States)

    You are a moron, aren’t you? Only Bulgaria and Yugoslavia are actually Slavic and only Bulgaria and parts of Yugoslavia (Croatia) were ever Germany’s allies – vast majority of the Slavs were enemies of Germany.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    @Cyrano

    Now, now, no need to start with the ad hominem insults, is there?

    I agree, I was mistaken, there were only those three Slavic allies, the others just had Slavic influences and I overstated my case - but still, there were some.

    As to vast majority of Slavs being enemies, do you have data on that? I mean, the vast majority of Slavs were ruled by Stalin, and Stalin was the enemy of Germany, granted, but as to the individual Slavs, I am not sure they supported Stalin, they didn't really have much choice. Just to take one example, I am sure large parts of Ukraine would have rather aligned with Germany than Russia, but no choice was afforded to them; nonetheless many Slavs fought alongside the Nazis against the Red Army.

    , @utu
    @Cyrano

    "majority of the Slavs were enemies of Germany" - Not really. Only Poles and Serbian were enemies of Germany from day one to the last day of war and they did not provide cannon fodder to Wehrmacht or SS. Slovaks provided two divisions during invasion of Poland in 1939. Czechs tried to stay away swearing on loyalty to Reich and mostly succeeded in not getting involved. Croats created SS division (just like Bosniaks and Albanians). Ukrainians had several SS divisions.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    My impression is that CalDre is not one of the morons on UR threads and being careless about who is Slavic is hardly relevant to moronic status anyway. However, I would add that, applying what would appear to be Hitler's racial-genetic rather than cultural criteria, all the Eastern Europeans were probably very similar and aptly described as Slavs. There is probably up to date DNA research bearing on this question of which I am not aware. Are you?

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Rurik
    @Cyrano


    Take Poland for example – did they fare better under German occupation
     
    http://blogs.lt.vt.edu/hcm3soviethistory/files/2013/10/Les_mrtvych_v_Katyne.jpg

    http://www.quarterly-review.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Katyn.png

    hands tied behind their backs, the best of the Polish people were marched to the edges of pits and shot in the back of the head, by the tens of thousands

    if you were a Polish communist who sympathized with what the NKVD did at Katyn, then I suppose the Nazis were unlikely to treat you with kid gloves. But if you were a regular Polish citizen, perhaps a relative of one of the people shot like a dog at Katyn, then ...

    Replies: @Cyrano

    You are absolutely right, the Polacks would have preferred the Germans as occupiers rather than the Soviets. Than what was the Warsaw uprising all about? They must have gotten confused or maybe just got tired of the German kindness.

    Or maybe they staged the whole event knowing that the Russians were going to be their next masters and they just wanted to preliminary kiss Russian’s butts, pretending that they also hate Russians’ enemies.

    Actually they were hopping to stage a little show of how they liberated themselves without Russian help – hence no need for Russian occupation afterwards. Unfortunately, Stalin was too clever for them and saw through the whole charade and let the Germans slaughter them before any ideas of Poland “self-liberating” themselves took hold.

    But, yeah, life under German occupation was very joyful for Poland, I bet they still commemorate with nostalgia every September 1 when the Germans came to pre-emptively liberate them from the Communist menace.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Cyrano

    Hitler did not seem to have much imagination left by the time of Warsaw uprising. He should have given Warsaw to Poles instead of massacring them and destroying the city. This really would have pissed Stalin off. Instead he did killing the future troublemakers that Stalin would have to hunt down and kill.

  • @CalDre
    @Cyrano


    Take Poland for example – did they fare better under German occupation – some 20% of the population slaughtered by them -or under the Russians.
     
    So, let's take Poland - close allies with Germany and bitter enmity with Russia. Good example.

    And look which way even Ukraine is looking? Hmmmm.

    Even Baltic States are joining EU and NATO due to the bad taste in their mouth of Soviet occupation.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Even Baltic States are joining EU and NATO due to the bad taste in their mouth of Soviet occupation.

    I didn’t realize that the Soviet rule of the Baltic states was plagiarism of the Clinton/Lewinsky affair.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    @Cyrano

    I mean to write Balkan but somehow it came out Baltic ....

    Anyway, Bill melted in her hand (onto her blue dress), not in her mouth. :)

    Replies: @RobinG

  • If you strapped Bill Clinton to a polygraph (or some lie detector that can’t be fooled by the Clintons)—I suspect he, too, might confess to a preference for Vladimir Putin over Barack Obama. Mr. Clinton had been appropriately scathing, in 2008, about Obama’s mythical status in the media. A “fairy tale,” he called the current...
  • The fact that US is trying to elect a woman for a president is a sign of desperation. It looks they are desperately looking for any signs of hope, where none is to be found. So now they are going through the motion of electing “firsts”.

    In the previous two elections they elected their first black president believing that the mere fact that he is black might bring some kind of hope. That turned out to be a pigment of their imagination (I apologize for the spelling – it was intentional). Now they might elect a woman president – again first – believing that this might bring some kind of change.

    I suspect that in keeping with this trend, further down the road they might elect the first donkey and the first elephant – just to match the mascots of the parties, before they realize that electing firsts doesn’t do absolutely anything and that if they really want change and hope something more radical needs to be done than electing firsts.

    • Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch
    @Cyrano

    "I suspect that in keeping with this trend, further down the road they might elect the first donkey and the first elephant" Total agreement, however, I think these will be the first 'otherkin' Presidents.

  • A lousy dancer blames the uneven floor, and Mme Clinton had proven to be an unexpectedly lousy dancer in the competition for the presidency against the blundering New York tycoon. We would expect her to win or lose graciously, as befits a former First Lady, but gosh, she is clumsy – and blames her lack...
  • @Wizard of Oz
    @Cyrano

    My impression is that CalDre is not one of the morons on UR threads and being careless about who is Slavic is hardly relevant to moronic status anyway. However, I would add that, applying what would appear to be Hitler's racial-genetic rather than cultural criteria, all the Eastern Europeans were probably very similar and aptly described as Slavs. There is probably up to date DNA research bearing on this question of which I am not aware. Are you?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    I’ve read some researches and it’s interesting. It turns out that the purest Slavs are the Polacks – some 67% of their DNA is Slavic. Second came the Ukrainians, the Russians are only third in terms of the % of their DNA being Slavic- which is not surprising, after 200 years of Mongol rule and all other kinds of mixing up with everyone.

    On the other hand, there are probably a lot of Eastern Europeans with some % of their DNA being Slavic. After all, it’s hard to resist the Slavic charm. Why, even the Germans can probably boast of some Slavic heritage (although I doubt it that they are inclined to do so) – thanks to some involuntary recipients of genetic material on the German side benefiting from the largesse of the Soviet soldiers liberating Germany from the Nazis – again probably involuntary liberation from the Nazis as far as the Germans are concerned.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    @Cyrano


    After all, it’s hard to resist the Slavic charm. Why, even the Germans can probably boast of some Slavic heritage (although I doubt it that they are inclined to do so) – thanks to some involuntary recipients of genetic material on the German side benefiting from the largesse of the Soviet soldiers
     
    it always amazes me the visceral revulsion I feel every time I read something like this

    a proud sub-human who gleefully, with cruelty and derision- mocks the women (and often little girls) who some of his sub-human ancestors brutally raped

    there's something very repulsive about a rapist, especially a sub-human who giggles that this is the only way he can ever get laid and pass on his genes

    no wonder there's so much resistance to the removal of all those monuments to the Red Army Rapists, when there's men like you around who like to remind all those countries how the Red Army "liberated" their women and children. I bet you giggle often at the thought, and only wish you could have been there too, huh?

    I'd bet money on that last one

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @5371
    @Cyrano

    There's no such thing as "Slavic DNA".

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Rurik
    @Cyrano


    After all, it’s hard to resist the Slavic charm. Why, even the Germans can probably boast of some Slavic heritage (although I doubt it that they are inclined to do so) – thanks to some involuntary recipients of genetic material on the German side benefiting from the largesse of the Soviet soldiers
     
    it always amazes me the visceral revulsion I feel every time I read something like this

    a proud sub-human who gleefully, with cruelty and derision- mocks the women (and often little girls) who some of his sub-human ancestors brutally raped

    there's something very repulsive about a rapist, especially a sub-human who giggles that this is the only way he can ever get laid and pass on his genes

    no wonder there's so much resistance to the removal of all those monuments to the Red Army Rapists, when there's men like you around who like to remind all those countries how the Red Army "liberated" their women and children. I bet you giggle often at the thought, and only wish you could have been there too, huh?

    I'd bet money on that last one

    Replies: @Cyrano

    It melts one’s heart to hear great humanitarians like you talk. If your nation was subjected to the German barbarism like the Russians were, I doubt it you’ll have so much sympathy for those swine.

    I still think that the Germans got off way too easily. The Russians should have thrown the book on them, just keep the gas chambers churning until there are none of them left. Even some reasonable Germans admit that they deserved what they got, yet a gentle soul like you comes along and defends them.

    Great humanist you are. Why don’t you go and cry over the carnage inflicted upon true innocents around the world suffering the brutal effects of imperialism of another great western humanitarian state – the US, instead of bemoaning the cruel fate of the Germans, you degenerate.

  • @5371
    @Cyrano

    There's no such thing as "Slavic DNA".

    Replies: @Cyrano

    There’s no such thing as “Slavic DNA”.

    Yes there is – R1a.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Cyrano

    LOL

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @5371
    @Cyrano

    LOL

    Replies: @Cyrano

    LOL – is that Lot of Lucidity? Go do some reading, son, instead of wasting your time here.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Cyrano

    You really don't know your arse from your elbow, do you?

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @5371
    @Cyrano

    You really don't know your arse from your elbow, do you?

    Replies: @Cyrano

    No, but I bet you look like one.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    @Cyrano

    which one?

  • Three weeks ago, I floated the word “Clintocalypse” to describe how the end of the world as we know it would follow a victory for Mrs. Clinton. Other opinionators were having the same thought. The one who’s been getting most coverage—no, I don’t begrudge it, honestly [sound of weeping]—is the pseudonymous writer Decius and his...
  • This column touches on subject such as communist propaganda. You know what started as capitalist response to a communist propaganda? – the multiculturalism. You see communism was supposed to be about economic equality, in a far distant future we were all supposed to be equal economically. That was the main stated goal of communism.

    How did capitalism respond to that? Well of course capitalists would never even dream about offering economic equality – it goes against the basic principles of the system. What they offered as a substitute to economic equality was racial equality – multiculturalism. Inability to agree to even some degree of economic equality looks bad on the capitalists, the potential inability to agree to multiculturalism looks bad on to middle class and the working class in general – since they were supposed to be main carriers of this policy.

    One of the main objectives of multiculturalism is to destroy the white middle and working class since they are the ones for whom multiculturalism brings extra competition for jobs and social services. From the ruling class capitalist perspective multiculturalism is acceptable – why? Because for them everybody really is equal in a sense that they don’t care what color and ethnicity are the ones that they exploit. Everybody is equal, but the ruling class is better than everybody and multiculturalism doesn’t apply to them.

    I once read in one blog that diversity and equality and all that crap is a well-intended hypocrisy which after being practiced for some time one day will became a reality. That means that a lie after being practiced for some time one day will became the truth. That may be so, but when you deal with a lie – there are those who benefit from it and those that lose as a result of being the victims of that lie.

    As a said before, this is a payback from the ruling class to everyone below them who might entertain the idea of asking for better economic equality. You want equality? We’ll give you one – racial and ethnic equality. Right back at you people. Let’s see who are the bad guys now, the good old capitalists to whom you are all equally worthy of exploitation, or you – the members of the great unwashed who might have second thoughts about such a noble concept like multiculturalism.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    @Cyrano


    Well of course capitalists would never even dream about offering economic equality – it goes against the basic principles of the system. What they offered as a substitute to economic equality was racial equality – multiculturalism.
     
    Yup. Instead of economic equality, we get 'corporate diversity management'.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets, @Joe Franklin

    , @YT Wurlitzer
    @Cyrano

    Yes. It used to be about class, the ability of ordinary people to own their lives. With Obama's candidacy in 2008, the party of the people became instead the party of diversity. Having megaphones, they are able to avoid the fact that they no longer pretend to care about class exploitation. They select from each color of the rainbow an elite, who they enrich and franchise. The global tyranny (which will be about as empowered as the UN in the end) will be multicultural and infallible.

    The anti-gender movement has been most useful. While any aggrieved minority can play, the rise of special classes of whites such as the GLBT has reduced the obviousness that this is a war on whites, not because of race but because their nations and traditions stand in the way of a new, improved, world order.

    Replies: @animalogic

    , @Thirdeye
    @Cyrano

    The ruling classes approach towards multiculturalism seems to be one of maximizing its exploitation potential while avoiding, for themselves, the social costs of such exploitation. Their preferred method is to make the working class bear the weight of that contradiction. The slide towards dysfunction among social institutions and communities represents the social costs of overexploitation externalized by the ruling class. Liberal political correctness is the ideology that makes that bearing that burden an obligation of the working class. If you are not complicit in your own harm you are a bad person. Alt-right, whatever group of ideas comes under that umbrella, is the center of the rebellion against that.

    , @Outwest
    @Cyrano

    What would economic equality look like? I started near the economic bottom –because of a death my father started at the absolute bottom- and admit to being a bit driven by the desire for a better place in life. Without economic disparity what would serve as a driving force to get me off my lazy ass and develop skills of value? Economic equality sounds like economic stasis. Or maybe just slow deterioration.

    Of course we have the latter without equal wealth.

  • Multiculturalism is a form of communism. It’s a tool of oppression against the white majority anywhere in the world. Multiculturalism was invented in the U.S. in the 60’s – supposedly to deal with the issues of racism, the legacy of slavery and the apartheid in the U.S. – how noble – right?

    In fact the main objective of multiculturalism was to prevent the communism from taking over the world. Remember, it was the 60’s and communism still looked like a viable idea. So by introducing enough communist elements, capitalism went into self-preservation mode, trying to prevent the main idea of communism from winning – the economic equality. Capitalists are economic bigots, who are trying to prevent the rest from becoming their equals. In order to combat this, with multiculturalism they are trying to portray the white majority as racial bigots who want to prevent other races from becoming their equals.

    Who is a worse person – economic bigot or racial bigot? It’s a diversionary tactic. Keep the white underprivileged bogged down dealing with the nightmare of multiculturalism and this will prevent them from asking for more economic equality. As a result of this, they’ll be begging for more capitalist elements, never mind about communism winning over.

    It’s been 25 years since the communism collapsed. The capitalist are feeling secure from that threat. The wealth gap is increasing, so is it the influx of third-world immigrants. Unrelated? I don’t think so. Multiculturalism is used to prevent the white majority from noticing the increase in wealth disparity and to prevent them from dealing with that issue.

    What the capitalists are saying to the white majority is: “You want us to share our wealth with you? How about you sharing your wealth with your oppressed third world brothers and sisters? You don’t want to do that? Well, now you know how we feel about sharing our wealth with you.”

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @edNels
    @Cyrano


    Multiculturalism is a form of communism
     

    a tool of oppression against the white
     
    Multiculturalism is a tool to buffer out too strong cultural traits, Mix them up, see how well they can agree on much when they have to live next door to ______s. They'll be busy mending their fences to worry about much else.

    When it is brought on intentionally by some clandestine force, then that may be a weaponized process.

    Communism is a great big catch all term that never has been defined good enough.
    But any little enclave country or tribe that doesn't lay down and give up on command, is one. Like being a witch, the term communist is a label, what it means is not to be gone into, or if you do, or if one did, you also might get called one too, tsktsk!

    the points are good, but that one word was overstated. If they, (PTB) didn't want Communism, they wouldn't have invented it. But Corporatism, now there is great idea, they can be people too!

    So when is corporatism communism? or visversa?

    When and if the Emporer says so!

    What the capitalists are saying to the white majority is: “You want us to share our wealth with you?
     
    That's right, the so called .001, or maybe even .0001%, are hell bent on keeping the gate closed to the mere less than .001% of top money.

    They only have so many tickets left for the spaceship and/or the bunker, for the members of the CLUB THAT IS, and suffice it say: ''You ain't in it!'' Maybe if you can do killer impersonations, they're going to need entertainment for a few years in the interum while things cool down.

    THe haves didn't get that way by letting nairdowells steel the silverware. First they need to know to steal big, enough so's you got some lute to spread around a little, that's nice, but latter on, to get really big, you steal bigger, and you kill everybody so they can't ccme chasing after. THen build castles on top a hills and be ready with hot oil to poor on any ambitious bums comes near.
  • The Russian government is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The Russian government keeps making agreements with Washington, and Washington keeps breaking them. This latest exercise in what Einstein defined as insanity is the latest Syrian cease fire agreement. Washington broke the agreement by sending the US Air Force...
  • They say that the first casualty in war is truth. In that case, U.S. has nothing to worry about. They’ve put that baby to sleep long time ago.

  • At about 5pm on Saturday, two US F-16 fighter bombers and two A-10 specialised ground attack aircraft bombed what they believed was a concentration of Isis fighters besieging pro-government forces in the city of Deir Ezzor in eastern Syria. Whoever it was in the US Air Force who had misidentified the target as Isis made...
  • People fail to realize that US is on a mission to bring prosperity to the whole world. The only way to bring peace is by waging more war. I know, I know there is a small contradiction in there, but that’s not US’s fault.

    When the military actions by US don’t produce the results as planned and especially as advertised (and they never do), people should cut them some slack – after all their intentions were good. That’s what most Americans believe, that US is on a goodwill mission around the world and that everybody should get out of their way, especially those annoying Russians who are nothing but impediment in the grand plan to bring prosperity to the whole world.

    The main difference between US and Russia that people should always remember is that US are the good guys. When they do terrible things like in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, that’s not because they’re evil, it’s just because things didn’t go as planned. When the bad guys (the Russians) try to do a good thing – like in Syria – that’s just to confuse the public. Their motivations are sinister, they are evil and there is some underlying purpose to their machinations trying to portray themselves as good. They remain the bad guys.

    The actions don’t matter at all. Once you’ve become a good guy (although no one can ever tell when and where exactly US established their credentials as the good guys – probably not even they themselves), nothing you do can change this reality, even if no one else believes in it – as long as you do.

    • Agree: CalDre
    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
    @Cyrano

    Delightfully dry.

    , @tika
    @Cyrano

    The US is _not_ trying to bring prosperity anywhere but to the pockets of a few. The most blatant proof is Haiti, which the US has 'helped' since it invaded the country in 1915.

    I suggest you read the book 'War is a racket' by Gen Smedley Butler (US Marines) before claiming that war is good for anybody.

    Here's the summary of the book, by Smedley himself:

    "War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

    I figure that after serving 34-years in the Marines, and participating in many US wars, a general would know best what the US wars' aim is.

  • Can we cut the cr-p, kids? Forgive my language, but, as Ecclesiastes teaches, there’s a time for everything. The time to cuss is now. "Radical Islamic terrorism": He has to be able to say it! This, preach conservative talking heads, is the acid test for electing the next American president. Is this convoluted concept one...
  • Nietzsche once said that God is dead. He also said that as a result of that – a new Ubermensch might emerge. I don’t know about God being dead, but it certainly looks like the Christian one is on his last legs.

    Maybe the ruling elites in Washington are just ahead of the rest of us. The Muslim hordes invading the west could be the arrival of the Ubermensch that Nietzsche once predicted – happy to fill the void left by the dead God.

    I still wouldn’t blame the Muslims for the chaos taking place – which is probably only happening as a result of having no normal mensch left in the ruling classes of the west.

    Maybe it’s time for Trump to adjust to this new reality and start kissing Muslim babies (or babes?) at rallies if he wants to broaden his limited public appeal. Just kidding. I think the only one who brings a promise of hope and change in this election is Trump – he still might turn out to be a fraud, but for now, he looks like the last hope.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
    @Cyrano

    I remember reading a 2011 article by Susie Green in which she told her journey from Judaism to philosophy of Nietzsche. She claimed that Nietzsche was not only objective about Jews but also predicted they would play a major role in the decline of Western Civilization.

    Friedrich Nietzsche (d. 1900) was an athiest German philosopher and author. He was a White supremacist. In his 1888 book The Anitchrist, Nietzsche while scathing polemic against his Christian faith, did praised Islam in certain ways.

    “One needs but read any of the Christian agitators, for example, St. Augustine, in order to realize, in order to smell, what filthy fellows came to the top …… Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won . . . The German noble, always the “Swiss guard” of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church–but well paid…..”

    https://rehmat1.com/2011/07/21/nietzsche-on-christianity-jews-muslims-and-supremacy/

  • What, precisely, is the US military for, and what, precisely, can it do? In practical terms, how powerful is it? On paper, it is formidable, huge, with carrier battle groups, advanced technology, remarkable submarines, satellites, and so on. What does this translate to? Military power does not exist independently, but only in relation to specific...
  • Economic power usually translates into military power. But it’s not always proportionate. The prime example of this is US. If, for example Germany had that kind of economic base like US, they would have had the military not to rule the earth, but to rule the solar system.

    When you are not god at something – just throw billions of dollars at it and hope that it will be enough to fix the problem or at least that no one will notice the shortcomings.

  • The latest developments in Syria are not, I believe, the result of some deliberate plan of the USA to help their “moderate terrorist” allies on the ground, but they are the symptom of something even worse: the complete loss of control of the USA over the situation in Syria and, possibly, elsewhere. Let me just...
  • The basic reason why US foreign policy seems incoherent and contradictory is because they want to achieve multiple objectives out of a single event. This schizophrenic attitude comes out of their belief that they are intellectually superior and can achieve what in theory is not achievable.

    For example, in Syria they want to overthrow the legitimate government, using terrorists as allies, inflict some damage to Russia – economical, military as well as hurt their reputation, defeat ISIS, help their allies in the Middle East and on top of all this they want to be seen as “the good guys”.

    Some of their objectives are mutually exclusive and they particularly clash with the last one – the desire to be seen as the ones doing the right thing, and in order to achieve that particular one, they play games like they are fighting the terrorists – when in fact they are not, because the other objectives are more important. While they are convinced that they are fooling everyone, the only ones who are fooled are themselves.

    • Agree: JL
    • Replies: @annamaria
    @Cyrano

    "...they play games like they are fighting the terrorists – when in fact they are not, because the other objectives are more important."
    Excellent summary of the US current policies/actions in Syria and Libya.

    Replies: @Fish and Cip

    , @KA
    @Cyrano

    "Fourth, the Saudi government, with Washington’s approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria. The Israelis believe that putting such pressure on the Assad government will make it more conciliatory and open to negotiations.


    Patrick Clawson, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, depicted the Saudis’ coöperation with the White House as a significant breakthrough. “The Saudis understand that if they want the Administration to make a more generous political offer to the Palestinians they have to persuade the Arab states to make a more generous offer to the Israelis,” Clawson told me. The new diplomatic approach, he added, “shows a real degree of effort and sophistication as well as a deftness of touch not always associated with this Administration. Who’s running the greater risk—we or the Saudis? At a time when America’s standing in the Middle East is extremely low, the Saudis are actually embracing us. We should count our blessings.”

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection
    Clawson tells Saudis that to achieve normalcy and peace in Palestine,it has to engage in generous wars against Syria . He tells administration to jump to the deals that he just has proposed.


    Saudis will still need Washington's approval before cementing the ties with the terrorists .

  • Over the years I have studiously avoided commentary on MH17 because of the banal fact that I am not an expert on plane crash forensics. The official Dutch inquiry that has just released its findings says that it was downed by a Buk missile that came from rebel-controlled territory. Many serious people have come to...
  • I think that the Dutch inquiry into the downing of flight MH17 is definitely credible for several reasons. The main one being that thanks to western technological superiority, the investigators were able to pinpoint the angle under which the rocket hit the plane – they were able to deduct this from the scratch marks left by the rocket on the plane.

    They even factored in the wind that was blowing at the time (and still is) from a westerly direction – the one I like to call a propaganda wind – and which affected the flight path of the rocket.

    If there wasn’t such a weather phenomenon present at the time of the downing of the plane, the Russians might have been able to fool the international community – without impunity and with total immunity – into believing that the rocket came from Ukrainian territory. Again, thanks to superior western technology, and the propaganda wind which helped the investigation to conclusively prove that no matter how you look at it – the rocket came from the Russian side.

    I think that the Dutch outdid themselves on this one. Such a brilliant investigation. They got it down to a science. And they did it the old fashion way – the way that KGB used to do it in the old days – by using human intelligence.

    I know I am being awfully generous referring to the UkroNazis as both human and intelligent in a same sentence, but give them some credit, will you. After all, who in their wildest dreams could imagine that Ukrainians might have some motive to lie about the whole thing? What could be in it for them to blame the Russians?

    I mean, the whole investigation was based on Ukrainian eyewitnesses’ accounts of seeing the transport of the BUK system? Really?

    I think the Dutch are on the roll here. I think that next they should reopen the case of Anna Frank. I think the Germans got framed on that one and I believe that a lot of people on this site would agree that the whole thing was a vast Jewish conspiracy. When the smoke clears, I believe the truth will come out that Anna Frank ended up in a gulag and it all got blamed on the innocent Germans who were too polite to deny it, because they are so western and civilized.

  • From everything I've heard Swedes seem like very pleasant people, rather agreeable to have around, while my personal experience with Mexicans leads me to a similar conclusion. But suppose so many millions of Swedes poured across the borders into our southern neighbor that within just a few decades Mexico City had become majority Swedish, while...
  • At first Americans tried to prove to the world how great they are by being mean – slavery, then they tried to prove how great they are by trying to be nice – multiculturalism. The third and final chapter in the saga is going to be multigalacticism. It’s going to work like this: NASA is already probing the space for alien life. Once they find it – they’ll invite them to immigrate to US, thus finally, once and for all they’ll be able to get an objective and unbiased feedback from the space aliens about what a truly great people Americans are.

  • "If I don't win, this will be the greatest waste of time, money and energy in my lifetime," says Donald Trump. Herewith, a dissent. Whatever happens Tuesday, Trump has made history and has forever changed American politics. Though a novice in politics, he captured the Party of Lincoln with the largest turnout of primary voters...
  • Trump’s win represents hope for change for the better – on which he might or might not be able to deliver, but unlike his predecessor – he’ll probably at least try. It’s a win by people that have been constantly lied to by the establishment in order to continue on the “safe” road of status quo, rather than try something different.

    Trump’s win is only nominally a republican win, because for all intents and purposes Trump is a third party candidate and his win is the closest that America has come to a revolution without actually going through one, although if he fails as a president, they actually might need a real one in order to fix things.

    I suspect that the latter will be the case, because not only is something seriously wrong with American politics, I think that actually the whole western civilization is one giant rotten phoniness preoccupied with appearances rather than substance.

    The establishment was rightfully scared of Trump’s win, because you run the greatest risk of really royally screwing things up when you actually try to fix them. So in this sense Trump might become the American Gorbachev, because the problems that America faces today are as monumental as those USSR faced in the 80’s and they might prove to be equally insurmountable without completely dismantling the whole system and starting anew. In any case I wish him and the decent Americans a success because so much hope and defiance was invested in his win by millions of ordinary and decent people.

  • Who are the anti-Trump protesters besmirching the name of progressives by pretending to be progressives and by refusing to accept the outcome of the presidential election? They look like, and are acting worse than, the “white trash” that they are denouncing. I think I know who they are. They are thugs for hire and are...
  • Having missed the opportunity to elect for president such a peaceful dove of a candidate like Hillary Clinton, it’s understandable how parts of the American public can be upset with the election of Donald Trump.

    There is a large portion of the population – people to whom I like to affectionately refer to as morons – who believe that in order to instantly become a better human being, all you have to do is declare yourself to be a liberal.

    I mean, by all accounts Hillary is a rotten human being and now they regret not having elected her as president!!??!!??? Why? Because she is a “liberal”? She revealed how liberal she is with her superpredators speech, but who can remember that – it was so yesterday.

    That speech puts to shame any conservative, but hey at least she says she is a liberal, so therefore she is a much better human being. It’s tough to lose an election twice, but I am not worried about Hillary. I know that she has some cool friends to rely for support on in such trying times, like Jay Z and Beyonce. So she’ll be OK, she’ll pull through as long as she hangs out with them, as I am sure she always does and it wasn’t just an election stunt.

    • Replies: @LarryS
    @Cyrano

    "...in order to instantly become a better human being, all you have to do is declare yourself to be a liberal."


    Liberalism is a club. As a group they identify themselves as more progressive, evolved, intelligent and virtuous than those outside the club.
    Peer pressure is the tool for recruitment. If you, too, want to be more evolved, intelligent and virtuous than everybody else then all you have to do is join the club. You can learn how to acquire the affectations of the knowing nod, the smirking smile and the disdainful dismissal of your inferiors.

    Replies: @RobinG

  • An “aging white population [is] speeding [up] diversity,” blared a headline on The Hill. Once again, a Fake News outlet has confused cause and effect, giving readers the impression that the two trends—whites dying-out and minorities thriving—are spontaneous and strictly parallel. The reverse is likely true. Corrected, The Hill headline should read: Could speeding up...
  • Multiculturalism is a gift that keeps on giving. Propaganda gift, that is. Invented in US in order to prevent possible communist takeover via radicalized blacks, more recently has been used for different purposes. Once US established its credentials as a non-racist country (multiculturalism being the main proof) it felt free to invade any third world country and unleash mayhem without being afraid of being called racist.

    In its most recent reincarnation, multiculturalism is simply a tool of oppression. It’s used by the ruling class against the majority (at the moment) in order to prevent a regime change at home.

    Democracy being the code word for Capitalism, Multiculturalism is used to prevent someone from coming with a bright idea to improve over what is already perfection – Democracy. You see Democracy is the highest achievement of social and economic order and any attempt to tamper with it is sacrilegious.

    The main mantra of Multiculturalism being: “We are all equal”, it was never meant to reach the upper echelons of society. When the ruling class says “We are all equal” they really mean – YOU are all equal – the members of the great unwashed.

    From their perspective (US elites) – the racial composition of the great unwashed really doesn’t matter, as long as they agree to be the targets of exploitation.

    Multiculturalism is really devious tool of oppression that only really truly evil capitalist mind can invent. If you try to fight that tool of oppression – you are racist – instant deflection of who really is the bad guy. And if you really persist and go after the really evil system that invented it – again you are the one who is evil, because why would anybody want to fight against such goodness like Democracy (Capitalism).

    The real short sightedness of the morons who invented Multiculturalism (US elites) lies in the fact that they believe that they can import third world multiculturalists indefinitely and that their positions as elites would be left untouched, because everybody else is equal but they are really grandiose and irreplaceable. Once the multiculturalists become majority, how long will it take for them to replace the elites who are exploiting them and who are of alien DNA with elites of their own DNA. But who can think that far ahead.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Cyrano


    Once US established its credentials as a non-racist country (multiculturalism being the main proof) it felt free to invade any third world country and unleash mayhem without being afraid of being called racist.
     
    An excellent point. US foreign policy has been in practice driven by an insane degree of xenophobia. Any country that is not thoroughly Americanised and totally subservient to the US is a dangerous enemy that must be destroyed. What makes the American Evil Empire so toxic is that this is combined with stupidity, naïveté and rampant hypocrisy.

    I'm not talking about ordinary Americans. I'm talking about the American elites who have been a menace to both the UDS and the world since the days of Woodrow Wilson.
  • The Democratic Party is doing incalculable damage to itself by shapeshifting into the party of baseless conspiracy theories, groundless accusations, and sour grapes. Hillary Clinton was already the most distrusted presidential candidate in party history. Now she’s become the de facto flag-bearer for the nutso-clique of aspiring propagandists at the CIA, the New York Times...
  • If you want to explain to the Americans what patriotism is – you have to do that in the simplest possible form, and that form is Russia hater = patriot. That’s about as complex explanation as an average American can handle.

    They’ve been conditioned to accept this equation as absolute truth throughout the Cold War. That’s why Hillary used that nonsense so much in her campaign, trying to appeal to American patriotism by showing how much anti-Russian she is. It almost worked, but that’s a tired cold war cliché which only confirmed how much out of ideas she was.

    They are still trying to portray Trump as non-patriot because of his supposed Russian ties, because remember: anti-Russian = good American and good patriot. Trump should be careful with these nutcases when considering his appointees for Secretary of State for example.

    The supposedly Russia friendly Rex Tillerson only plays into the narrative that Trump is pro-Russian and thus automatically non-patriot and not a good American. In any normal country having people who can communicate with one of the most strategically important countries of the world would be considered a bonus, but US doesn’t fit that description. One only has to look at the record of Hillary as secretary of state and the wonderful results her tough anti-Russian patriotism have produced.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Cyrano

    Maybe Hillary can thank all that immigration for diluting all the people brainwashed by the Cold War era for her defeat.

  • Well, apart from the Gulf states - thanks in large part to coming from such a low base that even subcontinental coolies are an improvement over the natives. Otherwise, the cognitive impact of immigration - at least as proxied by the differences in performance on the PISA tests between the national average, which includes immigrant...
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Juggernaut_is_here

    Not sure if trolling, but assuming you aren't...

    (1) IQ probably isn't very central to nomadic military success (though you have to admit that it is curious that the most successful nomadic empire, that of the Mongols, was also created by its most intelligent representatives).

    Nomads, despite their demographic deficiency, have a number of huge advantages against settled societies: Strategic depth; much greater mobilization potential; more adept at horse-riding and archery/hunting; much easier to reprenish horse stocks; physically stronger due to more fats/protein in diet (incidentally, better diet means that IQ advantage accruing to agriculturalists may have also been canceled out, though that's more speculative).

    (2) As you yourself point out, it was the Mongols who beat the Russians (it is called the Mongol-Tatar yoke after all). Kazakhs, Uzbeks, etc. never subjugated Russia.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Anonymous, @Hector_St_Clare

    The reason why the Mongols conquered Russia – and most of Europe during Genghis Khan, was because they had small technological advantage which in medieval times was huge. What was that technological advantage? The stirrup.

    The Mongols were renowned for being great horsemen and using the stirrup apparently gave them the advantage of being able to raise themselves up in the saddle and chop heads more effectively, or use arrows better. While the Europeans – and probably the Russians too, used to sit in the saddle like a pile of turds – thus reducing their effectiveness. Amazing, isn’t it? I actually learned this in elementary school from my good old history teacher.

    Does using the stirrup made the Mongolians more intelligent? I doubt it. They were just lucky that it made such a huge difference. Other than that, they had nothing else to show as proof of their “intelligence”.

    Same with the Turks. They were terrorizing Europe for almost 200 years, twice coming close to conquering the whole Europe (the two sieges of Vienna) and converting everybody to Islam. Their technological advantage? Gunpowder and the cannon – which they didn’t even invent – the Chinese did. Did that make them more intelligent than the Europeans? I doubt it again.

    One small (OK big) invention does not qualify them as more intelligent (especially if it’s not theirs to begin with). They simply stumbled upon it and recognized its potential. At the time the Europeans were living in the fairy tale middle ages, when the favorite method of defense were fortresses, which the cannon made almost obsolete. Sometimes you just get lucky, and one small technological advantage can make a huge difference, without intelligence playing a major part.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Cyrano


    What was that technological advantage? The stirrup.
     
    Your teacher was wrong. Stirrups long predated the Mongols and had spread throughout all of Europe by the close of the first millennium.

    They simply stumbled upon it and recognized its potential. At the time the Europeans were living in the fairy tale middle ages, when the favorite method of defense were fortresses, which the cannon made almost obsolete.
     
    Bombards were in heavy use in Europe from the 14th century. The guy who built the big guns used in the taking of Constantinople was a Hungarian (ironically, his name was Orban).

    Replies: @Cyrano, @reiner Tor

    , @Alden
    @Cyrano

    Genghis Khan did not conquer Europe. He conquered Central Asia and the eastern part of the Middle East.
    Europeans were using stirrups 75 years after the Koreans invented them. War material inventions spread very quickly.

    A Persian once explained to me how the Turks were able to conquer the Byzantine Empire and big chunks of Persia. He said the same as Anotoly Karlin did in comment 18.

    The Mongols and Turks raided and ran. The sedentary cultures could never get them in a set battle. The Mongols also had vastly more soldiers, horses etc And they had nothing to lose.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Cyrano


    What was that technological advantage? The stirrup.
     
    Your teacher was wrong. Stirrups long predated the Mongols and had spread throughout all of Europe by the close of the first millennium.

    They simply stumbled upon it and recognized its potential. At the time the Europeans were living in the fairy tale middle ages, when the favorite method of defense were fortresses, which the cannon made almost obsolete.
     
    Bombards were in heavy use in Europe from the 14th century. The guy who built the big guns used in the taking of Constantinople was a Hungarian (ironically, his name was Orban).

    Replies: @Cyrano, @reiner Tor

    Your teacher was wrong. Stirrups long predated the Mongols and had spread throughout all of Europe by the close of the first millennium.

    I don’t think he was:

    http://www.nysedregents.org/globalhistorygeography/613/glhg62013-rg2w.pdf

    Read page 3.

    Bombards were in heavy use in Europe from the 14th century. The guy who built the big guns used in the taking of Constantinople was a Hungarian (ironically, his name was Orban).

    It doesn’t matter who build it, it matters who commissioned him to build it – the Turks.

    http://www.guns.com/2012/01/04/guns-that-changed-history-the-great-turkish-bombard/

    • Replies: @5371
    @Cyrano

    You're not only dead wrong on the details, your whole view of history is normie-tier. Looking for some specific invention as the cause of every political/military change shows great ignorance.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Cyrano

    Cyrano,

    You are incorrect concerning the use of stirrups in the West.

    http://m.thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/notes/tours.html

    Read this account of the conflicts between the Iberian Moors and the Franks under Charles Martel in the mid-700s, specifically the section "Aftermath", in which the Frankish innovation (or adoption) of stirrups is discussed that permitted them to field HEAVY CAVALRY to supplement their fearsome infantry, and gradually drive the Moors back beyond the Pyrenees.

    The 700s, note. This does not discount other tactical innovations by the later Mongols, but let's get this misapprehension about the Mongol INVENTION of the stirrup sorted out, shall we? Parallel evolution is nothing new, I hope you will acknowledge.

    Regards,
    JJ

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Alfa158

  • @5371
    @Cyrano

    You're not only dead wrong on the details, your whole view of history is normie-tier. Looking for some specific invention as the cause of every political/military change shows great ignorance.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    You got it man. Another example – US without the nuclear weapons and how much they influenced the outcome of the WW2 against Japan and how it transformed them into superpower which without those weapons they would have never be able to become to the extent that they became and why they would never give up on those nuclear weapons. Clearly technological advantage doesn’t play any role in history. Do me a favor, will you? Don’t respond to my comments anymore, you don’t have the intelligence to discuss anything with me.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Cyrano

    Well, I guess it's better that you take out your grumpiness and rage on Internet arguments instead of getting into physical fights with everyone you encounter.

  • @Alden
    @Cyrano

    Genghis Khan did not conquer Europe. He conquered Central Asia and the eastern part of the Middle East.
    Europeans were using stirrups 75 years after the Koreans invented them. War material inventions spread very quickly.

    A Persian once explained to me how the Turks were able to conquer the Byzantine Empire and big chunks of Persia. He said the same as Anotoly Karlin did in comment 18.

    The Mongols and Turks raided and ran. The sedentary cultures could never get them in a set battle. The Mongols also had vastly more soldiers, horses etc And they had nothing to lose.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    I don’t think you have a full grasp of the issue, pal. It’s not the question of whether the Europeans knew about the stirrups and whether they were using them, the issue is how they were using them. And they were using them just to get on the horse and that was it. The Mongols were using them throughout the battle, to stand up and get a better shot. Your theory about the military tactics of the Turks is bull too. Read about the sieges of Constantinople and Vienna. I don’t see any “raids” there, just classic sieges.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Cyrano

    The conquest of Constantinople and the numerous sieges of Vienna were done by Turks, not Mongolians completely different ethnic groups.
    Those sieges occurred centuries after the Tatar Mongolians conquered Russia.
    It's just rude that your reply to me was so agressive and arrogant The least you could do is to consult the 4th grade level Wikepedia about the difference between Mongolians and Turks
    It was a Persian Muslim immigrant, a history prof back in Persia who explained to me how the raid and run strategy of the Turks was so successful

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Cyrano

    Cyrano,

    You are incorrect concerning the use of stirrups in the West.

    http://m.thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/notes/tours.html

    Read this account of the conflicts between the Iberian Moors and the Franks under Charles Martel in the mid-700s, specifically the section "Aftermath", in which the Frankish innovation (or adoption) of stirrups is discussed that permitted them to field HEAVY CAVALRY to supplement their fearsome infantry, and gradually drive the Moors back beyond the Pyrenees.

    The 700s, note. This does not discount other tactical innovations by the later Mongols, but let's get this misapprehension about the Mongol INVENTION of the stirrup sorted out, shall we? Parallel evolution is nothing new, I hope you will acknowledge.

    Regards,
    JJ

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Alfa158

    Welcome to the club. The club which misses the point, that is. How about you read this instead:

    http://bigera5.weebly.com/the-mongolian-stirrup

    Btw, the point that you missed, along with everyone else is: It’s not important who invented the stirrups, but who was able to find a better use for them than anyone else. Inventing something doesn’t mean that you’ll be the best at it forever. Take example with the tank, the Brits invented it in WW1, but the best use for it was found by the Germans in WW2.

    Thus saying that the Germans could not draw tactical advantage by using the tank because it’s the British who invented it doesn’t make any sense. Do you understand now? And enough already about the stupid stirrups.

  • @Alden
    @Cyrano

    The conquest of Constantinople and the numerous sieges of Vienna were done by Turks, not Mongolians completely different ethnic groups.
    Those sieges occurred centuries after the Tatar Mongolians conquered Russia.
    It's just rude that your reply to me was so agressive and arrogant The least you could do is to consult the 4th grade level Wikepedia about the difference between Mongolians and Turks
    It was a Persian Muslim immigrant, a history prof back in Persia who explained to me how the raid and run strategy of the Turks was so successful

    Replies: @Cyrano

    One thing that I don’t need is someone like you to teach me history. Do you even have any clue that you are contradicting yourself? Claiming that Turks used raids and acknowledging the sieges of Constantinople and Vienna at the same time. Doesn’t it appear to you that siege and raid are two different things? And who said that those sieges were done by the Mongols? Go take a nap, partner. You seem little bit confused.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Cyrano

    Why are you so angry and agressive? From your posts I can diagnose you with diabetes. The medical books call it volatility and mood swings. Observers call it looking for a fight and not stopping till you goad someone into a fight

    Take your insulin and follow your diet. And don't get into a road rage incident or parking lot fight as is the habit of out of control diabetics.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Alden
    @Cyrano

    Why are you so angry and agressive? From your posts I can diagnose you with diabetes. The medical books call it volatility and mood swings. Observers call it looking for a fight and not stopping till you goad someone into a fight

    Take your insulin and follow your diet. And don't get into a road rage incident or parking lot fight as is the habit of out of control diabetics.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    Can I get a second opinion on this – my diabetes, or you are such an expert that I shouldn’t bother. No, you are right, I might have overreacted and I am sorry about it. I still don’t think that your responses were well thought through, but it still didn’t warrant such a harsh response. Anyway, anybody has the right to be wrong, we are all trying to learn something here and hopefully to correct each other when we are wrong, provided the other person can see the light of the argument. I hope I didn’t cause you any emotional trauma with my comments. Take care.

  • The never-Trumpers are never going to surrender the myth that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the hacking of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee to defeat Clinton and elect Donald Trump. Their investment in the myth is just too huge. For Clinton and her campaign, it is the only way...
  • Some say that objectively reality doesn’t even exist, that is all just a matter of perception. Well Americans must be really lucky people, because they have government + MSM who are so vastly intellectually superior to any mere mortal, that they are able to interpret the reality to the ordinary Americans so it won’t confuse them any longer.

    Actually, according to Karl Rove, the neocon intelligentsia (I know, a contradiction in terms) of whom he is a proud member, claims to possess even higher powers – they are able to create reality now, because why bother with only interpreting reality, when thanks to your superior intellect you can create it. Hillary is also one of those neocons possessing (or possessed by) higher power and proud owner of those magical abilities.

    One of those neocon moments when they were able to create reality out of thin air, occurred when they “discovered” the Russian hacking of the election process in USA. Some people will call that “creation” of reality for what it actually is – creation of propaganda, but those are just mean unpatriotic Americans or other nationals who don’t have America’s best interests at heart.

    Some who are even more critical of America’s reality “creation” abilities, would call those realities nightmares – like the realities created in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine even, but as they say, maybe those are only interpretations of reality and according to US – wrong interpretations of reality.

  • Just like European maps place Europe in the center of the planet, so do most western commentators look at the past year from a US/Europe-centered perspective. Which is fair enough. Furthermore, the AngloZionist Empire has just suffered two major disasters, the Brexit and the election of Trump, so there is truly much interesting to focus...
  • Russia has never craved any “greatness”, and some of its people look down on anything Russian, believing that it’s not as good as any equivalent coming from the west. Because Russia has never sought any greatness – particularly military greatness – all of their greatest military victories came when they were attacked (Napoleon, Hitler) and not as a result of any imperial ambitions.

    Stalin, in his infinite wisdom (based on experience of failed alliances with western countries) knew that the day will come when Russia will be left with no allies and he wanted to build the Russian military to be able to fight any possible combination of allies by the rest of the world – basically to be able to fight the rest of the world. That kind of military readiness was reached by the USSR in the early 80’s, before a fool came as a general secretary and then as president.

    It seems that Russia has reached that level of military readiness again – primarily thanks to its nuclear forces, although the rest of their armed forces are nothing to sneeze at. I personally never bought the hysteria in the west about imminent war with Russia. They might be stupid, but they are not crazy, there is nothing to be gained from military confrontation with Russia.

    The whole thing was just not a particularly well designed propaganda – “reassuring” the rest of the world (mainly the European puppets) that the empire is there to protect them, and also trying to justify its existence at the same time. That “empire” was never designed to protect anyone. If it was, they would have shown up in Europe in 1914 and 1939 instead of 1917 and 1944.

    That empire was built on two WW fought by the stupid Europeans who in the process managed to transfer their wealth and political power to their “protector” – who by the way will only fulfill that role only after it uses up as much cannon fodder from Europe as is humanely (or not) possible.

    • Replies: @Wally
    @Cyrano

    "Because Russia has never sought any greatness – particularly military greatness – all of their greatest military victories came when they were attacked (Napoleon, Hitler) and not as a result of any imperial ambitions. "

    Complete nonsense.

    The Soviets were planning to attack Germany and Germany knew it. Hence Germany's preventive attack on the USSR, Operation Barbarossa.

    But this not new info., that is unless you don't get out very often.
    See:
    CODOH WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewforum.php?f=20
    and specifically:
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    Debate there if you think you can.

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Che Guava, @Cyrano, @gwynedd1, @Philip Owen

  • The English language Russian news agency, Sputnik, reports that former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger is advising US president-elect Donald Trump how to “bring the United States and Russia closer together to offset China’s military buildup.” If we take this report at face value, it tells us that Kissinger, an old cold warrior, is...
  • Reagan wanted to end the Cold War, not win it. He spoke of those “godawful” nuclear weapons.

    I don’t buy that. After all Gorbachev at the Reykjavik summit proposed to Regan to get rid of all nuclear weapons, not just medium and short range. All of it. Tactical, strategic, ICBM’s, sea based, air force delivered, all of it.

    The reason why Reagan didn’t agree, and no American president ever will, is because without nuclear weapons US cannot be a superpower. Sure they have the greatest navy and air force, but their ground forces suck, and you can’t win any big and important war without good ground forces. Russia and China can be superpowers without nuclear weapons, but US can’t.

    Both Russia and China have proven that they have great land armies. China in the Korean war, when 300 000 Chinese joined the battle and it was time to call it a day. Russia has proven that they have great land forces so many times it’s not even worth talking about it. As for the US, it’s perhaps fitting that their greatest military victory on land came against equally inept enemy – themselves – in the Civil war.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Cyrano

    Can you cite something for this claim?


    I don’t buy that. After all Gorbachev at the Reykjavik summit proposed to Regan to get rid of all nuclear weapons, not just medium and short range. All of it. Tactical, strategic, ICBM’s, sea based, air force delivered, all of it.

     

    The rest of your post is rather strange. The USSR was indeed a great land power and there was always a fear that they could overrun Western Europe without the deterrent of nuclear weapons. But Russia? They do well in wars near their own border, but have you noticed they have about half the US population?

    As for China, their great problem as a land power is that they already took their neighbors over a long time ago, and they don't have a land border with anyone the US cares about, or, especially, cared about during the Cold War. A Chinese invasion of Russia, India, Vietnam, etc. would get at most a shrug from Washington. They have no motivation to attack South Korea, the only country they could attack by land which would matter to the US; they had the motivation during the Cold War, but the problem is that the Korean peninsula is a bottleneck which partially negates the Chinese manpower superiority while augmenting the US naval and materiel superiority.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Skeptikal

    , @MarkinLA
    @Cyrano

    Both Russia and China have proven that they have great land armies.

    Both Russia and China have proven that they had great land armies if you don't care about how many men are lost

    There fixed it for you. However, that was when there were no smart bombs or other special purpose weapons that can wipe out large numbers of troops in a matter of minutes like cluster bombs.

    The US Army won't have to worry about fighting either Russia of China in a conventional war given both of their countries lack of a blue water navy capable of sending enough troop here.

    As for the brilliance of the Red Army and the PLA what were their casualty numbers. In WWII the Red Army suffered the highest casualty rate of any army and there were plenty of soldiers who never left Korea if all those stories about machine gun barrels in the US Army glowing red hot were true,

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • @Anon
    @Cyrano

    Can you cite something for this claim?


    I don’t buy that. After all Gorbachev at the Reykjavik summit proposed to Regan to get rid of all nuclear weapons, not just medium and short range. All of it. Tactical, strategic, ICBM’s, sea based, air force delivered, all of it.

     

    The rest of your post is rather strange. The USSR was indeed a great land power and there was always a fear that they could overrun Western Europe without the deterrent of nuclear weapons. But Russia? They do well in wars near their own border, but have you noticed they have about half the US population?

    As for China, their great problem as a land power is that they already took their neighbors over a long time ago, and they don't have a land border with anyone the US cares about, or, especially, cared about during the Cold War. A Chinese invasion of Russia, India, Vietnam, etc. would get at most a shrug from Washington. They have no motivation to attack South Korea, the only country they could attack by land which would matter to the US; they had the motivation during the Cold War, but the problem is that the Korean peninsula is a bottleneck which partially negates the Chinese manpower superiority while augmenting the US naval and materiel superiority.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Skeptikal

    There is something for you to educate yourself:

    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610111046207313-reykjavik-summit-gorbachev-reagan/

    As for the rest of your post – you are completely clueless aren’t you? Are you sure you are not a speech writer for Obama? He’s been known to spew such nonsense like “Russia is a regional power”. Right. And US is a global power. That’s why they can’t win any goddamn war.

    Population of a country plays a role only to a certain extent. If if was all that important, India would be a superpower, yet they can’t deal even with Pakistan which has about 1/6 of their population.

    In WW2 Germany population was about 3% of the world’s total, yet they came close to conquering the whole world. It didn’t seem to bother them that they didn’t have enough people. They were still able to raise about 3 million man army. Even China doesn’t have that many soldiers now. OK, it’s a peacetime army as opposed to Germany’s war time army. But still, they are 1.5 billion, compared to only 70 million that Germany had at the onset of WW2.

    US will NEVER go to war against either Russia or China on their own, especially if that war is to take place on land, because there is nothing for them to look for in such a war, Definitely not a victory.

  • @MarkinLA
    @Cyrano

    Both Russia and China have proven that they have great land armies.

    Both Russia and China have proven that they had great land armies if you don't care about how many men are lost

    There fixed it for you. However, that was when there were no smart bombs or other special purpose weapons that can wipe out large numbers of troops in a matter of minutes like cluster bombs.

    The US Army won't have to worry about fighting either Russia of China in a conventional war given both of their countries lack of a blue water navy capable of sending enough troop here.

    As for the brilliance of the Red Army and the PLA what were their casualty numbers. In WWII the Red Army suffered the highest casualty rate of any army and there were plenty of soldiers who never left Korea if all those stories about machine gun barrels in the US Army glowing red hot were true,

    Replies: @Cyrano

    I don’t think you fixed anything for me pal. What can I say, I guess not every country that goes to war is guided by the Olympic principle like US is – the most important thing is not to win, but to participate.

    How is the strategy of taking low casualties working for you? Any success stories that you want to share with the rest of the world? That’s exactly the reason why US can’t win any major war on land – because they are extremely cautious about their casualties. I could have used another word there, but I’ll let you come up with it.

    As for the prospects of conventional war between US and China or Russia -it looks like you’re looking at it from a wrong perspective. China and Russia don’t have ambitions to attack US. US might have. But does that mean that since US has a navy that can transport large number of troops, they are expecting to win a war against China and Russia on their turf? I don’t think that in their wildest dreams US has ever contemplated such foolishness.

    As for the “smart” bombs, judging by the successes of US in their recent wars, they haven’t done much for their efficiency, have they? Either that or they’ve been using some retard bombs – maybe by mistake?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Cyrano

    We did win against Germany with a low casualty rate far lower than that of the Red Army because we used modern equipment and not human wave attacks. We could also have won against China in Korea had we wanted to but it would have meant North Korea and northern China would be wastelands for decades. We could also have won in Vietnam if we were willing to pummel the country back to the stone age. The same is true in Iraq. Granted these are wars we never should have gotten involved in but that is why we didn't fight them to win.

    Russia today could never take the number of casualties they took in WWII. Look at their performance in Afghanistan it wasn't so hot and the people were demonstrating against it with about 15,000 dead. The PLA wasn't so hot in their little Vietnam adventure either.

    If you have never seen the damage anti-personal weapons like cluster bombs can do to an area the size of a football field then I wouldn't be talking about the size of somebodies army.

    I make no claims about anybody attacking anyone, only that your assertion that the US Army stinks and the Russian and Chinese armies are superior is just plain stupid.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Singh

  • @MarkinLA
    @Cyrano

    We did win against Germany with a low casualty rate far lower than that of the Red Army because we used modern equipment and not human wave attacks. We could also have won against China in Korea had we wanted to but it would have meant North Korea and northern China would be wastelands for decades. We could also have won in Vietnam if we were willing to pummel the country back to the stone age. The same is true in Iraq. Granted these are wars we never should have gotten involved in but that is why we didn't fight them to win.

    Russia today could never take the number of casualties they took in WWII. Look at their performance in Afghanistan it wasn't so hot and the people were demonstrating against it with about 15,000 dead. The PLA wasn't so hot in their little Vietnam adventure either.

    If you have never seen the damage anti-personal weapons like cluster bombs can do to an area the size of a football field then I wouldn't be talking about the size of somebodies army.

    I make no claims about anybody attacking anyone, only that your assertion that the US Army stinks and the Russian and Chinese armies are superior is just plain stupid.

    Replies: @Cyrano, @Singh

    You don’t know much about military and war, do you? It’s ok, since it looks like you are American, that’s good enough excuse for me. So according to you, US didn’t want to win any wars recently out of chivalry, because they didn’t want to kill too many people. How nice.

    You are the best example that American propaganda is working – they made you believe that US army is the best in the world. You see that propaganda was primarily intended for the rest of the world, but it works the best on Americans, because they don’t know any better.

    I’ve read some stories about Australians who fought in Vietnam witnessing this effect of propaganda on American troops there. Apparently, they went in Vietnam believing that they are some kind of Rambos – the toughest army in the world and when the Vietnamese see them they’re just going to start dropping dead from fear. It came as a crude surprise to them when this didn’t happen and the Vietnamese started kicking their butt.

    You can believe whatever you want, my friend. That’s the beauty of believing – that you don’t need a proof of anything. After all, all religions are based on that, if you are truly a believer – no evidence to support your beliefs is needed. And by the way, the WW2 was won by USSR, – the low casualty rate US army didn’t contribute almost anything to that victory.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Cyrano

    Well I seem to know a lot more than you since you don't seem to know anything about the capabilities of modern weaponry if you continue to insist that the US Army is somehow inferior to the Russian or Chinese army and the number of men in an army is somehow indicative of its strength.

    The Iraqi army in the first Gulf War had over 1 million men and crumbled in a matter of days. I don't blame them when you are in a tank that cannot hit your opponent while they blast you at will or you are in a fox-hole waiting for the cluster bombs to land next to you when you can't even see the enemy.

    As for Vietnam, the Vietnamese soldiers were very good but if the US had decided to destroy the North we could have. If you don't understand that you are hopeless. You are not getting it that the US could have bombed the North back to the stone age if we had wanted. We could have destroyed all their bridges, dams, and levees and made the country almost uninhabitable. The aim was always a stupid one - to drive the North back to the bargaining table with the US in the superior position instead of the intelligent thing to do, just get out.

    I realize that the USSR did the great bulk of the fighting in WWII but how they won isn't anything but having a much larger army and willing to let hundreds of thousands of men die needlessly to achieve some goal. This is similar to the way the Iranians held off the Iraqis in the 80s. That doesn't speak well about their capabilities. The bombing campaign in the west tied up about a million German troops that could have been used in the east. The capture of Rommel's army by the US and British (mostly British) made sure that the Germans were not going to get ME oil or deprive Britain of it.

    Without the US and Britain the USSR probably would have beaten Germany anyway but it would have taken a lot longer given the machine tools, trucks, and food the US and Britain supplied them.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • Just like European maps place Europe in the center of the planet, so do most western commentators look at the past year from a US/Europe-centered perspective. Which is fair enough. Furthermore, the AngloZionist Empire has just suffered two major disasters, the Brexit and the election of Trump, so there is truly much interesting to focus...
  • @Wally
    @Cyrano

    "Because Russia has never sought any greatness – particularly military greatness – all of their greatest military victories came when they were attacked (Napoleon, Hitler) and not as a result of any imperial ambitions. "

    Complete nonsense.

    The Soviets were planning to attack Germany and Germany knew it. Hence Germany's preventive attack on the USSR, Operation Barbarossa.

    But this not new info., that is unless you don't get out very often.
    See:
    CODOH WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewforum.php?f=20
    and specifically:
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    Debate there if you think you can.

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Che Guava, @Cyrano, @gwynedd1, @Philip Owen

    This for me opens a completely new perspective for looking at the world. Thanks man. So according to you the Germans actually saved (or tried) to save the world from the evil of communism. What a terrible mistake US has done allying themselves with those godless communist when they could have been on the right side – literary and figuratively speaking – and ally themselves to those cuddly and lovable Nazis. I wish Roosevelt had a wise man like you as advisor. What a terrible mistake that man has made. I think your statement should be used to rewrite the history books and cast a new light on the Nazis – the true saviors of the world. Thanks man, you opened up my eyes.

    • Replies: @Wally
    @Cyrano

    Yes, they recognized the dangers of communism, hence the huge numbers of volunteers from other European countries.

    No one said the National Socialists were lovable, they did offer the best opportunity to stop Stalin and his henchmen.


    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’are scientifically impossible frauds.
     
    The history books are being rewritten, where ya' been, on the turnip truck?

    http://codoh.com/library/document/1906/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/2724/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/2833/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/2947/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/3000/

    see research which demolishes the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' canard:
    'Holocaust Handbooks'
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/Holocaust-Handbooks-1min-640x360.mp4

    I noticed that you are afraid to debate at a no name calling forum, typical. See previously given links.

    You are welcome.

    Replies: @Anon, @Thales the Milesian, @Cyrano

    , @Carroll Price
    @Cyrano

    Since winners of wars write the history of wars, it's very necessary to remember that when it comes to Hitler and Nazism, virtually everything most people think they know about either is a product of Jewish propaganda.

    Replies: @Cyrano

  • The English language Russian news agency, Sputnik, reports that former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger is advising US president-elect Donald Trump how to “bring the United States and Russia closer together to offset China’s military buildup.” If we take this report at face value, it tells us that Kissinger, an old cold warrior, is...
  • @MarkinLA
    @Cyrano

    Well I seem to know a lot more than you since you don't seem to know anything about the capabilities of modern weaponry if you continue to insist that the US Army is somehow inferior to the Russian or Chinese army and the number of men in an army is somehow indicative of its strength.

    The Iraqi army in the first Gulf War had over 1 million men and crumbled in a matter of days. I don't blame them when you are in a tank that cannot hit your opponent while they blast you at will or you are in a fox-hole waiting for the cluster bombs to land next to you when you can't even see the enemy.

    As for Vietnam, the Vietnamese soldiers were very good but if the US had decided to destroy the North we could have. If you don't understand that you are hopeless. You are not getting it that the US could have bombed the North back to the stone age if we had wanted. We could have destroyed all their bridges, dams, and levees and made the country almost uninhabitable. The aim was always a stupid one - to drive the North back to the bargaining table with the US in the superior position instead of the intelligent thing to do, just get out.

    I realize that the USSR did the great bulk of the fighting in WWII but how they won isn't anything but having a much larger army and willing to let hundreds of thousands of men die needlessly to achieve some goal. This is similar to the way the Iranians held off the Iraqis in the 80s. That doesn't speak well about their capabilities. The bombing campaign in the west tied up about a million German troops that could have been used in the east. The capture of Rommel's army by the US and British (mostly British) made sure that the Germans were not going to get ME oil or deprive Britain of it.

    Without the US and Britain the USSR probably would have beaten Germany anyway but it would have taken a lot longer given the machine tools, trucks, and food the US and Britain supplied them.

    Replies: @Cyrano

    So the US goes to war but holds back using everything at their disposal because of their humanity. Do you realize how insane that statement is? Who goes to war with a mindset like that? Oh, wait, Americans are exceptional, so even when they go to war, they try not to hurt the fellow human beings – right? Americans used everything they had against Vietnam and lost. If you can’t accept this, than you have problems with reality that not even CNN and all other MSM propaganda can fix for you. The only reason US won in Gulf war one is because large parts of the Middle East are agent oranged by mother nature – not too many natural obstacles and places to set up defensive position. But yeah, sure man, the US army is the greatest in the world and is a force for good. If you can believe that, you can believe anything.

  • Just like European maps place Europe in the center of the planet, so do most western commentators look at the past year from a US/Europe-centered perspective. Which is fair enough. Furthermore, the AngloZionist Empire has just suffered two major disasters, the Brexit and the election of Trump, so there is truly much interesting to focus...
  • Sacker has nailed it here. I wish he would refrain from criticizing USSR of which he has no clue, otherwise it is a great piece.
    There is no a minute I feel no regret and depressed thoughts when thinking of my country destroyed by traitors. I would not be as magnanimous as Putin towards those traitors and I am waiting for greater things from him regarding nationalization of what was stolen from my people.

    • Agree: Cyrano, Che Guava