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The United State’s Intervention and Russias Resistance were anything but guaranteed?
There is that small matter of the British and French declaring war on Germany, but not on Russia, when those two jointly attack Poland. There are a few other well known, but not-publicised-in-children’s-history-books facts about the critical phase before Hitler’s declaration of war against the United States.
In no way would I dare to diminish Churchill’s lasting achievement: starting a world war to save Poland from Hitler only to feed the same Poland nonchalantly to Stalin not four years later, en passant ending the British Empire for all practical reasons.
Wilhelm II must have turned green from envy in his grave. Or smiled smugly. Who knows.
Sir, my passport tells me I am one of those “idiot Germans”. Let metoast their idiocy and wish them further success.
Someone should tell that spoilsport Snowden to stop asking everybody and their dog for asylum: people might actually add one and one and get the wrong impression that their „sovereign“ governments were in the know right from the beginning …
Indeed, there still are such problems.
But we’re working hard on it.
When you see statements that far off the mark, there's no point to read the rest of the article. In fact the USA has been providing intelligence and has offered 'refueling' to the Saudi air campaign:
So far the Yemen war has been left to the Saudis and the Gulf monarchies, with the US ineffectually trying to end it
@ No trust
Sir, I too was a bit surprised by that statement. Either Mr. Cockburn should change that sentence or give us some further information, at least from where I am, this looks off the mark.
Are you certain that story is true?
The ingrates wish to be left alone, and if you would please take your fifth column of atlanticists with you when leaving, like the british took their loyalists to Canada, we will gladly deal with our own –as opposed to your – problems on our own.
Thank you very much, sir.
Please read St. Winston’s writings.
The firebombing of civilians was aimed at Germans.
If it could later be explained by Hitler and his criminal leadership – so much the better.
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"So while it is easy and comfortable to say that the otherness of eastern Germany today is the result of that 40-year Soviet occupation, history says otherwise. East Elbia has always been different. Take the voting patterns: from 1871 to 1933, East Elbia outside Berlin (always a left-liberal political island) was the main electoral reservoir for the authoritarian right. The Prussian Conservative Party under the empire, the Deutschnationale Volkspartei until 1928 and the Nazis from 1930 depended on rural and small-town East Elbian voters. It was they who (just) swung things in 1933, by going 50-60 per cent for the “Hitler coalition”. Had all Germany voted like the Rhineland or Bavaria, Hitler and his Junker allies would have got nowhere close to a majority. Small wonder that Adenauer didn’t want East Elbia back and was secretly delighted to have it safely fenced off behind the Iron Curtain."
It should never, ever be forgotten, that Hitler and his cronies were not elected in anything resembling a democratic vote.
There are, however, obvious, if inacceptable, reasons for arguing as if that were the case.
Chaos has a bad habit of expanding and can be extremely bloody and difficult to control; see the Thirty Years War. Does Israel really want to risk this in the country next door?Replies: @Anon, @peterAUS, @byrresheim
The purpose of war in Syria, from US (OK…Zionist Empire/whatever) point is ongoing chaos in that region. Chaos……in…………that…………region. Russia can not make that chaos go away.
Providing chaos to Germany from 1618 to 1648 and beyond proved to be a winning strategy for the French, so …
A lie is a knowingly false representation of facts.
An error is an unknowingly false representation of facts.
We can discuss whether the ruling cabal in the US acted like liars or like fools, and you wouldn’t catch me calling them fools.
It was also clear to anyone with his senses intact, that the facts were incorrectly presented.
Please do not waste your or anyone else’s time by pretending otherwise – for you too have the choice between fool and knave.
The only thing that might be contested is whether the outcome was all that undesirable for the US ruling class – I think it worked swimmingly. Tough for the american patriots who fought that despiccable war and were maimed and killed for the greater good of …
… some corporations.
The main purpose of a business is serving clients – customers and suppliers.
If a business serves its clients well, it makes money. Lots of it.
If on the other hand the service is not good, insufficient money will be earned.
If there are not enough clients – custumers and suppliers – there was no business case in the first place.
What you mean is a rip-off.
The main purpose of a rip-off is making money.
Poland is also being asked by Brussels to accept some rabid Muslims. I think Polaks are on verge of being fed up.
Let us hope and pray.
Actually, the german population of eastern Europe has been cleansed of the map.
Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.
There is some talk of three million dead german civilians in eastern Europe immediately after the war, but that is certainly propaganda put forth by adherents of the Austrian corporal.
So move on, there is nothing to see here.
Trying to rewrite history .....eh?
On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of the Bolshevik group were ethnic Russians. In this connection a Bolshevik observed in jest that the Mensheviks constituted a Jewish group while the Bolsheviks constituted a true-Russian group
Thank you.
Thank you again.
When I read what the author had to say about Mensheviks, Bolshewiks and jews I did not trust my lying eyes.
His hypothesis about social progress in the rest of the world and Bolshevism is not completely untrue, but only if you look at western Germany during the cold war period: the panic of the western German’s western masters when confronted with the military might of the Soviet Union was such, that practically all genocidal ideas were quickly scrapped, all dreams of further French expansion into German territory were scrapped as well and German rearmament became priority of the day. Those tank divisions were needed and duly provided.
Result: western Germans ironically have Stalin to thank not only for their sheer physical survival, but also for a material wellbeing quite unparalleled on this planet and political freedom not enjoyed in most of the victor nations.
Thus, as stopped clocks are wont to, the auther is not completely wrong in this case.
This is true, and it is the one episode of German military history I find truly shameful.
For reasons that might be profitably discussed, it is also the one shameful German act that is rarely mentioned.
Perhaps nobody understands the significance. Perhaps nobody wants to look into that abyss.
You may include my two grandfathers out.
Thank you.
Or, as I’ve commented elsewhere, a fortuitous marriage or birth.
A lifetime of devotion, as Heinlein said, or as the saying goes: he married rich and he earned every penny.
Spot on.
Again and again I am astonished by the complete lack of russian awareness of stalinist crimes.
While there is absolutely no need to copy present-day Germany’s guilt-cult, a bit less noise about so called nazis and fascists might actually help the Russians to find solutions and even draw present enemies over to them.
(I am not going to waste my time answering to irate Russians. I am no enemy of that nation, to the contrary, but if you insist on shutting your eyes fast, don’t complain about the occastional stubbed toe: it’s completely unnecessary.)
This is the silliest thing to say and can only be explain by you complete ignorance. The Russians themselves denounces the crimes. Hundreds and hundreds of books have been published in Russia on the subject. The discussion of the matter has been going in our society in public and in private as long as I can remember. We've had theater plays, museum exhibition, historical studies, TV programs devotes to these events - you name it, we've had it. How much more awareness do you expect, talks about this every day at dinner?
Again and again I am astonished by the complete lack of russian awareness of stalinist crimes.
We remember well what the policy of not making noises once led to. So with your permission or without it, we'll continue making noises, for nobody else seems to be willing to. You all appear perfectly fine with the Nazis.Replies: @yurivku
a bit less noise about so called nazis and fascists
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Unless we stop them.
There actually were a few million issues. Or, come to think of it, not so few million issues.
You seriously think Polish animosity is due to lies and smears?
You really believe the visceral hatred found in Ukraine is due to hostile propaganda alone?
It is well past time russians took a close look at their soviet past.
Eastern Europe lived through it.
You sir, sound slightly racist.
Surely some mistake?
Methinks they perfectly understood the technological and logistical problems. That is why they are so motivated to lobby hard and successfully for the prohibition of any discussion of these horrendous crimes in Europe.
Political Correctneß is the War on Noticing.
In Germany, that war has almost been won.
The point is in your use of the word “Putler”.
That gives away the distasteful game.
They need christ fkn heathens. I mean American white women are raped in the scores by black men everyday. Are we forgetting that?
Yeah, Sport it appears we are.
True dat.
Your error: do not depend on those people. Do not even depend on the assumption that they are wrong. That is the hidden charm of humbug: if you lose patience and call the bluff, you might catch that one time it’s not invented from whole cloth.
These people steal your time, because you have the check everything.
Even if they are wrong, there often is sufficient basis in fact to make for a lengthy discussion about relevance.
Wonderful example for the “wrong on so many levels” approach is the wikipedia article about computers.
Up to the sixties, computers were humans doing computing, and the machines were called after the human profession. Now look at the use of the word computer in the piece of oral history included in the Katherine-Johnson-Article – the scare quotes indicate non-knowledge of this fact and its implications for something said 50 years ag0.
Just to discuss this subtle piece of irrelevance – quite relevant for understanding the social situation of our heroine though – can take you hours, because these people are enormously lacking in historical knowledge and therefore insist in arguing deeds and utterances from the past strictly from hindsight.
As an added bonus, they tend to regard any facts not within their very limited scope of knowledge as bogus, which is annoying enough when there is sufficient hard evidence, but makes things really tedious once there are only small, albeit easily read, hints in literature.
Let’s blame Hitler, that opens up a lot less questions.
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« The last thing Hitler wanted was to produce another great war.
His people, and particularly his generals, were profoundly fearful of any such risk — the experiences of World War One had scarred their minds. » – British military historian Sir Basil Liddell Hart, "The History of the Second World War".
« The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all. » – Professor AJP Taylor, "The Origins of the Second World War", p. 267.
Very plausible, but has the unltimate disadvantage: it complicates the narrative.
Sweet comment.
Very plausible, but has the ultimate disadvantage: it complicates the narrative.
In context, many of the “disturbances” in 1968 were a reaction to the Vietnam War – which had been escalated under false premises and which inflicted terrible violence onto people half a world away who had done no harm to America. A “silent majority” may have assisted Nixon win a narrow victory that year, but they too were being lied to by the political establishment. There is little comparison to the small “politically-correct” skirmishes of today, which I agree feature a disturbing reaction against free speech and debate. Best to keep in mind, however, that the Black Bloc and Antifa have been thoroughly infiltrated by the police and have been for a long time.
A plague on both your houses.
The Horror.
There is a parallel to a case in the small German town of Kandel: authorities were advised of a grave problem weeks and months before the deed.
There are people who say this in real life. Now we need Louise Mensch's powerful take next.Replies: @LondonBob, @byrresheim
“What it says to Russians living in the U.K. or those thinking of leaving the country is: disloyalty is always punishable, you will never be free of us and you will never be safe, wherever you live,” John Lough and James Sherr, Russia specialists at the British think-tank Chatham House, wrote. “What it says to the British government is: We believe you are weak, we have no respect for you.”
Oh!
Louise Mensch!
I’m really looking forward to hearing from her.
She always has the most thoroughly thougt through commentary to offer.
Very bleak look at the US.
You should not draw a direct line from Marx to the depradations of the Bolsheviks.
Buchanan writes: “We went to war in Iraq in 2003 to disarm it of weapons of mass destruction we later discovered Saddam Hussein did not really have.” Correction: that Iraq didn’t have weapons of mass destruction was known before the US attacked Iraq, not something “we later discovered”. The US was lying all along.
… when has Wilsonian idealism in foreign policy proven to be a success in the past quarter century?
Make that 4 (!!!) quarter centuries please.
Very interesting point of view.
The Free West™ definitely is not used to be seen and interpreted from a less than friendly position.
However: it would behoove each and any Russian to come to terms with the crimes committed in Ukraine and elsewhere, mass killings that surpass anything but the crimes committed by Mao Tse Tung.
After nearly nine decades, with perpetrators and victims gone, it might be possible just not to talk about „Nazis“ but rather about the causes for negative emotions against Russia and Russians and what might be done other than name calling.
It's the city of Afrin, he means.
The Kurdish YPG, which did not make a final stand in Manbij
Methinks the only people the British higher orders hate even more than Germans are the members of the British working class.
As Harold Macmillan famously said when Thatcher went for the kill: “I have seen them in the trenches” – and much good their loyalty did them, as we now know.
You, sir, have sick ideas.
Finally the role of an elite and respected profession must be re-evaluated in a historic context: In the 1930’s German doctors helped develop an ideology of ‘racial hygiene’ and a technology to demonize and eliminate millions of human beings deemed redundant and inferior, through overwork in slave camps, starvation and active genocide – serving the ambitions of Nazi expansionism and deriving significant profit for select individuals and corporations.
Perhaps the author would do well to study the historic context with a tad more thoroughness before starting the re-evaluation he wishes for. Those ideologists of racial hygiene were quite open about whence the source of their ideas.
It would also be a good idea not to use the word genocide in the absence of a genocide. Nothing is more useful to the wolves than the constant crying of “wolf!”.
That there is a grave health problem cannot be denied.
R U a Cuckservative or Jew?Replies: @Byrresheim
It would also be a good idea not to use the word genocide in the absence of a genocide.
Thanks for pointing that out. Only an extreme dimwit would yap on that old canard and we all know who's obsessed with an ideology of "racial hygiene," and it's name ain't "goy."
Finally the role of an elite and respected profession must be re-evaluated in a historic context: In the 1930’s German doctors helped develop an ideology of ‘racial hygiene’ and a technology to demonize and eliminate millions of human beings deemed redundant and inferior, through overwork in slave camps, starvation and active genocide – serving the ambitions of Nazi expansionism and deriving significant profit for select individuals and corporations.
And the author parrots old propaganda about the Germans!!!
Here are five prominent American families that got rich in the Chinese opium trade:
1 .The Astor Family. America's first multimillionaire, John Jacobs Astor, joined the opium smuggling trade in 1862.
2. The Forbes Family. John Murray Forbes and Robert Bennet Forbes worked for Perkins & Co. in its China trade. [The latter]… had more of a direct role in the opium trade. Their father, Ralph Forbes, had married into the Perkins family… The most notable family member on the contemporary scene is US Secretary of State John Forbes Kerry…
3. The Russell Family. Samuel Wadsworth … founded Russell and Co…and quickly amassed a fortune in the opium trade.
4. The Delano Family. Warren Delano, Jr., a grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was chief of operations for Russell & Co…. which did big business in the China opium trade. (ed note: He also made a fortune peddling morphine derivatives to the Union Army during the War Against Southern Independence)
5. The Perkins Family. Thomas Handasyd Perkins, a wealthy merchant and Boston Brahmin par excellance, made his bones as a young man trading slaves in Haiti, then peddled furs to China from the American Northwest before amassing a huge fortune smuggling Turkish opium into China.
-Phillip Smith , 5 Elite Families Who Made Their Fortunes in the Opium Trade
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/5-elite-families-fortunes-opium-trade
In 1980's Chicago, there used to be a person on the radio that spoke his mind, and used his show to speak realistically about race. That was Steve Dahl. The other radio stations in town always tore into him, especially the "progressive" rock station, who referred to him and his on air partner, Garry Meier as "the racists down the dial." Ironically, Steve Dahl had the largest black audience in the city. It was even bigger than the "black" radio stations. Blacks enjoyed the candor and honesty Steve Dahl had, and the non-patronizing and non-condescending "conversation" about race that he had on his radio show.Replies: @Byrresheim
As can be seen from that transcript, I gave them straight race realism on the rocks. Again to their credit, I was received cordially and thoughtfully, confirming Jared Taylor’s observation that blacks, or some large subset of them, are fascinated to hear a white person speak honestly about race.
Why wouldn’t they be? Things that are extremely rare are naturally fascinating.
& how did that end?
That’s why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.
For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.
Saves so much trouble …
This idea periodically surfaces on the Utz Review: The Deep State will only run political candidates who are tainted and subject to blackmail. There has to be something hidden in their "closets". This ensures loyalty and deference to the Deep State's political and economic agendas. (It also helps to have direct or familial connections to the CIA: H. W. Bush, Clinton, G. W. Bush, Omaba.) JFK and Trump show what happens to accidental political candidates who deviate from that agenda.
For a long time, I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.
No doubt.
For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.
Perhaps the author would do well to study the historic context with a tad more thoroughness before starting the re-evaluation he wishes for. Those ideologists of racial hygiene were quite open about whence the source of their ideas.
Finally the role of an elite and respected profession must be re-evaluated in a historic context: In the 1930’s German doctors helped develop an ideology of ‘racial hygiene’ and a technology to demonize and eliminate millions of human beings deemed redundant and inferior, through overwork in slave camps, starvation and active genocide – serving the ambitions of Nazi expansionism and deriving significant profit for select individuals and corporations.
It would also be a good idea not to use the word genocide in the absence of a genocide.
R U a Cuckservative or Jew?
R U a Cuckservative or Jew?Replies: @Byrresheim
It would also be a good idea not to use the word genocide in the absence of a genocide.
You’d do well to read my comment again.
Maybe you find your answer on the second or third effort.
The author leaves out the fact that pain medication might actually be used as such and not as a convenient way to promote escapism.
Are you sure that anyone can actually afford to work for the wages of an illegal immigrant?
Social security allows people to avoid sub-living wages, but that in turn invites accusations of lazyness.
I always find it interesting how the Chinese keep mentioning (justly so, make no mistake) Japanese atrocities against Chiniese but keep complete silence about what Chinese did to other Chinese in the decades after the Japanese were ousted from China.
Perhaps you are the man to explain the phenomenon?
After all, we are talking about several times the number of victims.
No. He is definitely not the man for the job. Joe Wong only sees the evil of others. He cannot look in the mirror nor conceive that his own people perpetrated a world class holocaust that makes the more celebrated exploits of the Nazis look like nothing. I cannot help noticing the similarity between him and the celebrated anti-racist Tim Wise. Both are incredibly hateful and stupid racists. He has a future at CNN or the SPLC.
Perhaps you are the man to explain the phenomenon?After all, we are talking about several times the number of victims.
I’ve said this all along, my man. As for Trump, he’s a con man, and I stated that a long time ago.
Is that all you can come up with?
On a website, where, for quite legitimate reasons, orthographic errors cannot be corrected any later than five minutes after posting?
Weak.
Very weak.
Dude, take a breath and use paragraphs. No one is going to read that wall of text.
A jewish civil war in the making? It happened before more than once. During the Roman/Jewish wars of antiquity the jews were fighting a civil war amongst themselves. When the Romans would attack the jews would drop their differences and come together and fight the Romans. When the fighting stopped the jews would renew their civil war–jew against jew and it went on and on until the Romans rolled over them. But this time the jews have nukes and have threatened to take out the whole world if they are going down. So non jewish nations have to take that seriously.
Strong voice of Catholic Church on many issues is sadly missed. It certainly is not what it could have been. The CC was neutered. Child abuse campaign was the most recent act in the anti CC campaign that goes back to the French Revolution. Neocon Catholics (like Weigel, Novak) tried to get blessing form JPII for the Iraq war but failed. After that there was no mercy for the CC while the Evangelical Death Cult Zionist nuts prospered. Without the moderating influence of the CC the world will worse off.
True.
True.
No link to statements, no photos, no videos of the witnesses, no tangible proof of any kind… and it’s suppossed that Assad and Putin must disprove the accusations??? Did you ever heard about presumption of innocence??? The burden of proof???
It would be a mistake to assume that the people blaming Assad and Putin have any interest in assuming any burden or extending any presumptions…
After what the Bolsheviks inflicted on the Ukrainian people (and a good part of Russia to boot) I would really appreciate if todays Russians could just shut up about Ukronazis and do some historical research of their own, research not focussed on denial of the undeniable.
What the Germans right now do to excess, wallow in the guilt of their forebears, the Russians would do well to at least consider: that all was not well with their murderous bolshevik past.
The writer doesn’t say the accusations were “shaky” as such, just that the French may have exaggerated some things associated with black troops. In other words, she’s virtue signaling PC. Perhaps you should read more carefully.
The point is not whether Americans behaved as badly as Red Army troops. The point is whether the “Greatest Generation” (who unlike the Soviets had absolutely no claims against the Germans) were the angels so many brain-dead Americans wish they were.
It seems while the GIs were no angels (no army can be) the were not even remotely approaching the level of callousness and intentional lack of discipline displayed by the red army.
Chewing gum and nylon stockings alone do not even begin to explain the difference in attitude of the occupied populations.
The fact that the US in Syria is clearly on the side of the morally and intellectually wrong does not take away one iot of the red army’s crimes in the last war.
The Russians may have had claims against the Germans – but they had no claims against Poles, Ukrainians, Romainians, Bulgarians and their behaviour was atrocious wherever they went.
There is a reason Russians are hated in eastern Europe. The complete lack of interest in this reason regularly shown by Russian authors is shocking and not helpful to their own cause.
I don't get it.Soviets starved to death millions of their own people and many Commies, still today, say, No problem, Stalin had to kill the kulaks to bring about his vision.But Germans killing Soviet troops that Stalin sent into battle unprepared, poorly armed, and threatened w/ death if they turned back -- doesn't that amount to Germans doing Soviet dirty-work?But Russians call that a major crime for which Soviets raped 2 million German women.Replies: @Alden
The Russians may have had claims against the Germans – but they had no claims against Poles, Ukrainians, Romainians, Bulgarians and their behaviour was atrocious wherever they went.
You have to remember that the Soviets lost about 25 million people in the four years of war with Germany. As a comparison the US has lost less than 2 million in 241 years. The Germans chose to to make it a war of annihilation. They chose to designate the Slavs as sub-human. There was going to be some sort of payback if the Germans lost. I don't like it. I am biased towards NW Europeans. But if you try to annihilate some group, don't expect them to treat you well if they win.
I’ve since read tales of Soviet soldiers who related that, yes, they raped German women … but, contrary to German behavior in Russia and Ukraine, they did not kill them. Were they given a medal for showing such restraint?
The Russian losses were enormous but, in large part, self-inflicted.
It is enlightening to read Martin van Crevelds analysis of the battle of Berlin, when the Reich had definitely lost the war, the defenders had no air cover, nearly no heavy weapons, no clear objective.
Still the Russians managed to lose more soldiers than the army that was losing the last battle of a war lost months, if not years ago.
While it is understandable and even necessary that a people groups around its leaders in wartime, it is amazing that even eighty years later there seems to be no critical thinking about the Russian leaders during the war possible for most Russians.
Perhaps if we keep reminding them, they might, one day …
it seems as if the Russians are blinded by their innocence just in a mirror image of the Germans who cannot see anything but their guilt.
Is it necessary to point out that both extreme attitudes are not helpful towards an understanding of complex historical processes?
Embarassing.
There has been no proof in the past, there is no proof now.
While it is true that you cannot put anything beyond an Oriental, is it not astounding, that President Assad exclusively uses poison gas when he is winning and the only result is to give the Free West™ an excuse for intervention?
Orientals my be Orientals, but are they stupid?
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The 31-year-old man, wanted by police, had thought playing a numbers game would be enough to allow him to fade into anonymity.
The population of China is a staggering 1.4 billion people, give or take a few million.
More than 45 million of them live in Jiangxi province in southeast China, and 5 million of those people are concentrated in Nanchang, the province's capital.
On the night of April 7, nearly 60,000 people — or roughly 1 percent of the city's population — had gathered at the Nanchang International Sports Center for a concert by Cantopop legend Jacky Cheung.
Who could ever locate a single person in such a crowd?
And so it was there, amid the sea of faces in a packed stadium, with everyone's attention presumably turned to the stage, that the fugitive assumed he was safe from authorities.
But in the middle of an upbeat electronic song about summer romance, a pair of police officers began descending the aisles, according to footage posted on the Chinese video sharing site Miaopai. Soon, they had arrived at the row they were looking for and apprehended the 31-year-old.
Before Cheung had finished singing the refrain, officers were escorting the man out of the show.
The man, identified only by his surname Ao, was reportedly wanted for “economic crimes,” according to Kan Kan News. Details about Ao had been in a national database, and when he had arrived at the stadium, cameras at the entrances with facial-recognition technology had identified him — and flagged authorities, the news site reported.
“He was completely shocked when we took him away,” police officer Li Jin told Xinhua news agency. “He couldn't fathom that police could so quickly capture him in a crowd of 60,000.”
Ao's unlikely capture became the latest example of China's growing use of facial-recognition technology.
As The Washington Post's Simon Denyer reported, law enforcement and security officials in China hope to use such technology to track suspects and even predict crimes. Ultimately, officials there want to create a comprehensive, nationwide surveillance system known as “Xue Liang,” or “Sharp Eyes” to monitor the movements of its citizens:
At the back end, these efforts merge with a vast database of information on every citizen, a “Police Cloud” that aims to scoop up such data as criminal and medical records, travel bookings, online purchase and even social media comments — and link it to everyone’s identity card and face.
A goal of all of these interlocking efforts: to track where people are, what they are up to, what they believe and who they associate with — and ultimately even to assign them a single “social credit” score based on whether the government and their fellow citizens consider them trustworthy.
And I thought all Chinese looked alike …
Even if Assad did use gas, which he obviously didn’t, who the heck are the Americans, the British, and the French to lecture anyone on morality, given that they unlike Assad did practice chemical warfare, and killed uncounted millions around the globe with “conventional” means in order to loot them, and to “punish” Assad as the bankster with an Oedipus complex Macron put it?
2 late.
Whether the choice of picture is the result of sarcasm or sloppyness, I cannot know.
I do know however, that playing russian roulette with an automatic pistol instead of a revolver makes for a rather short and predictable game.
Perhaps that’s as good an analogy to our present situation as any?
Thank you very much, sir, for a sober assessment.
The son is now learning the hard way why the father was swift and ruthless in his reactions.
There never have been any fake German atrocities.
As for fake stories about German atrocities, now that’s another matter altogether.
Horrible things did happen.
Horrible lies were told.
Sick German stupidity had a field day as aggression then, as autoaggression now.
There is however strictly no reason for British smugness.
Why on earth should the Israelis waste their money?
Subsidizing the Poobahs is part of subsidizing Israel.
Swiss cantons with principles of subsidiarity and overall neutrality serve well as government policy to manage differences among the population. Better than almost anywhere else, I'd say. Singapore and Malaysia ... Well, we will see. LKY initially wanted to remain in Malaysia; he also had realistic views of multiculturalism.
Lots of hurt feelings in Switzerland about the Protestant Reformation, and in Singapore about the breakup of Malaysia, but are those feelings ever used as a basis for government policy?
I haven't been able to find anything substantial about Soviet-SA diplomatic relations or negotiations, but it seems like a huge lost opportunity for the Soviets not to declare victory in the 1980s and move on. It's not like they inherently love black people or like they got anything out of it in the end.Replies: @snorlax
They tried [making peace], the Soviets weren’t having it.
As a South African
Not a South African, but I have followed the country pretty closely and absorbed a lot of information over time.
why the hell do you have them in your country in the first place?
That of course is key, and not having them at all would be a far better option than buying off the Big Men. But by the time period we’re discussing it was water under the bridge. In light of US/international opinion, massive-scale ethnic cleansing wasn’t going to be a viable option.
Ramaphosa
I see no indication that De Beers isn’t getting their money’s worth from Ramaphosa (as they continue to get their money’s worth from their figureheads in Botswana and Lesotho). De Beers always gets their money’s worth.
it seems like a huge lost opportunity for the Soviets not to declare victory in the 1980s and move on. It’s not like they inherently love black people or like they got anything out of it in the end.
Au contraire, the Soviets were the #2 producers of all of ZA’s major resources (diamonds, gold, chromium, platinum, palladium etc). The South African sanctions regime was a 100-500% markup sales bonanza for the Soviets.
The current government managed to chase out the Guptas, unless I've missed something. As we know, first use the judiciary to get to your enemies.
That of course is key, and not having them at all would be a far better option than buying off the Big Men. But by the time period we’re discussing it was water under the bridge. In light of US/international opinion, massive-scale ethnic cleansing wasn’t going to be a viable option.
Not a very good foundation for national policy though, as we have already seen.
I see no indication that De Beers isn’t getting their money’s worth from Ramaphosa (as they continue to get their money’s worth from their figureheads in Botswana and Lesotho). De Beers always gets their money’s worth.
Even better -- as long as there were international sanctions they could have kept running that deal, and without the arms expenditures. SA could have sweetened it a bit even. It's not like the West would have lifted the sanctions after there was peace, especially if the SA then was free to clean up the neighborhood.
Au contraire, the Soviets were the #2 [consumers] of all of ZA’s major resources (diamonds, gold, chromium, platinum, palladium etc). The South African sanctions regime was a 100-500% markup sales bonanza for the Soviets.
There is no reason for British smugness, indeed, not after losing their war and their empire.
They were going downhill from the 1880ies onwards.
They made a brillant job of dragging everybody with them, though.
Very true, and oft forgotten.
A business is there to serve its clients – customers, owners, furnishers and employees. Profit is an indicator, albeit not proof, that this purpose is met.
‘This program of social justice laid the groundwork for an extraordinary increase in economic development, called Les Trente Glorieuses – the glorious thirty years of peace and prosperity’
I think you will find that this happened all over post-war Europe roughly from 1949 (the food shortages were actually worse after the war than during it) to the OPEC oil crisis in 1979. It is referred to as the post-war settlement.
In Germany, what's really messed up is that, when they privatized rail service, they actually kept the railway lines themselves in government hands. So people here are now paying higher fees for rail service, while the private railroad companies enjoy free (!) railway line maintenance and repair, thanks to the taxpayer.
The orders are to open the rail system up to free international competition. Soon, German, Italian, Spanish trains may be sharing with French trains the same rails – rails whose upkeep is turned over to another company, also in it for the profit.
That’s a model that makes me proud to be German.
In the long term we are all dead.
I was being sarcastic.
Proud of our semiprivatized public services? Freed from the horrible constraints of the salary laws for public servants? Which means decent (i.e. enormous) money for those responsible, at last, and adequate (i.e. low) wages for those who should be grateful that we care to exploit them.
By British standards one might even see them as a paragon, by German standards … there seem to be no German standards any more.
Have you heard of the greatest of all great tunnels?
Beneath Stuttgart?
Now the head of the German railway company says they would not have started the project had they known what they know now.
This is beyond embarrassing.
PS: I am proud of many German achievements. Our semiprivatized public services do not belong into that category.
[Yawn]
I expect no less from a descendant of those who invented the concentration camp, interned Boer woman and children in them and fed them ground glass.
especially South Africa which was in the process of being carved up between uncivilised negro conquerors from the north and thuggish Boers who were every bit as aggressively murderous as the Brits, and good enough at it to give us a run for our money.
How sweet of the British.
I like the euphemism “give us a run for our money” where Shahna used the less than elegant term “concentration camp”.
As far as kickstarting the industrial revolution is concerned, in describing the phenomenon please do not forget to mention its capitalisation by the enourmous monies plundered in India, the one and only economically successful colony (the other one might have been what is now the United States, but that went awry a while before the invention of the concentration camp.)
The ignorance is entirely on your part, sir.
Perhaps you might care to take a look at the timeline for starters and then, in case that did not intellectually exhaust you entirely, undertake a little research for the sums we are talking about here.
I do admit that I should have mentioned the west indies as well, if only to remind you of the interesting use made of irish slaves over there.
India did not do too badly under the British
There seems to have been a recurring problem with famines under british rule.
The last few million Bengals who perished needlessly seem to have been the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Could you please provide links (for my convenience?)
I only read of one F-16 shot down.
Economically successful of course is a euphemism for: the plunder was definitely worth more than the investment needed.
While Canada and New Zealand – or Australia for that matter – are certainly nice places to live in, the return on investment for the motherland was far from sensational, contrary to India.
I do admit once again that I should have mentioned the West Indies.
You forgot Germany in your list.
Take a close look at Germany up to the 1920ies.
There would be no protest.
The intruders would be massacred at the borders – by obedient men.
The whole purpose of suppressing women is to achieve some kind of balance between men and young women and to somewhat moderate the influence of menopausal women. Western societies mistook wisdom for injustice at their own peril.
Whatever. Pointing one finger at alleged German warmongering makes you point three fingers at yourself, and rightly so.
If the US would have fallen for your propaganda earlier, the result would have been just the same: UK sans India, sooner or later. The loss of India still leaves you in a position as Europe’s highly dangerous spoilsports, but a lot less dangerous than before.
On est content de si peu, you know.
Concerning “real Americans in the south”, in a sense you are right: you should probably not have betrayed the south in the war between the states, but that’s neither here nor there.
As far as H. M. The Kaiser is concerned: he spent the last four weeks before the shooting began begging his two cousins to stop the murderous nonsense. But that doesn’t fit into your smug little picture, so you will ignore it in all eternity.
The 50 anniversary of the My Lai Massacre came and went with no fanfare, at least it wasn’t repackaged as the work of Putin or Assad. 50 years ago in South Vietnam, 504 civilians were murdered by a U.S infantry company, of the multitude of murderers, only two were charged, only one convicted and all he served was 3.5 years of home detention. 50 years ago is when the U.S. lecturing the world on what constitutes a war crime should’ve ended forever.
This is a pretty absurd position, frankly, given that the US regime's wars, and the manufactured confrontation of Russia, have been no more in the interests of the nations of Europe than they have been fought for the interests of the American people.
The America of 2018 is coming to see NATO as having evolved into an endless U.S. commitment to go to war with Russia on behalf of a rich Europe that resolutely refuses to provide for its own defense.
Very true.
Also true for any patriot of the other countries concerned.
The America of 2018 is coming to see NATO as having evolved into an endless U.S. commitment to go to war with Russia on behalf of a rich Europe that resolutely refuses to provide for its own defense.
Surely you jest.
Apart from the fifth column of the US nobody in Europe wants war with the Russians.
To tell you the truth: as long as you Americans don’t supply them with literally everything in times of war – from shoe laces to fighter bombers including can openers – to the tune of 20 % of their armament production – we can actually handle them, thank you very much.
The nice thing: they know it, that’s why they are not overly keen on a replay without the US on their side.
Thus, NATO is utterly needless if not to keep the Europeans toeing to the line.
This is a pretty absurd position, frankly, given that the US regime's wars, and the manufactured confrontation of Russia, have been no more in the interests of the nations of Europe than they have been fought for the interests of the American people.
The America of 2018 is coming to see NATO as having evolved into an endless U.S. commitment to go to war with Russia on behalf of a rich Europe that resolutely refuses to provide for its own defense.
One of the encouraging things Trump used to say was that NATO was obsolete and should be disbanded.
After weeks of being lobbied, cajoled and educated by the leaders of Britain and Germany, not to mention “my generals,” as he likes to call his national security team, Mr. Trump has found fresh virtue in a venerable organization.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/world/europe/nato-trump.html
He is not the cheerleader for the Mexican invasion.
He is however, highly critical of some anti-Mexican prejudices.
As far as I can tell, plausibility is on his side.
Actually, that Mexican invasion would be over in a week if you managed to get your local chambers of commerce under control so that the demand for illegal workers would cease. One can dream, can’t one?
Valid criticism of Fred Reed.
I am tempted to think the man would even accede the point to you.
Sadly true.
The difference between a platoon soldiers and a gang of murderers lies in their discipline and the quality of orders they receive.
Since Vietnam, fragging seems to have been reduced to tolerable levels.
Tell me where to go, please.
My country lags behind your’s by about half a decade, not much more.
Perhaps not to stop writing, but to sort out some cognitive dissonances.
Being a patriot and having moral standards at the same time is hard, as Mr. Buchanan’s writing shows in such instances.
For my part I wished we cut down our dependence on exporting stuff to the worlds greatest debtor a bit, and soon. If not we might be in for a rude awakening.
Ukronazis …
… when will you come to terms with the horrendous bolshevik crimes?
… when will you stop using stalinist propaganda terms to describe people you dislike?
People will stop reading right there, and they will not be wrong.
Even if one is highly critical of what transpired in 2014, one should not entirely forget that Ukrainian attitudes toward Russia do have an history.
Perhaps the very grandchildren of the people who smeared Bandera are better qualified to judge the risks than we mere mortals, who are supposed to believe bolshevik propaganda?