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    Mike Yeadon is a soft-spoken microbiologist and a former Vice President of Allergy and Respiratory Research at Pfizer. He spent 32 years working for large pharmaceutical companies and is a leading expert on viral respiratory infections. He is also a man on a mission, and his mission is to inform as many people as possible...
  • 1. The virus is real and can be deadly to 0.1% to 0.2% of infected people, mostly (90%) old people (70+). But the survivors are damaged. My mother (72) recovered six months ago, but still weak, has headaches and can’t concentrate for long hours. Used to be super-sharp for her age prior to infection.
    2. The virus is very infectious and if half of global population gets infected, that’s 5 million deaths, not to mention other damages.
    3. Worldometers.info shows 3 million deaths globally, so we are more than halfway through.
    4. No government can ignore such a toll. They should (because they usually make things worse), but they just can’t.
    5. So various governments came up with various half-assed attempts to improve the situation and mostly failed as expected.
    6. Does not mean they want to kill us all or they triggered the pandemic. Do not ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity / incompetence.
    7. Vaccines will mitigate symptoms.
    8. But they are risky. Two risks – a) risk of cytokine storm when vaccinated gets exposed to virus in the wild b) long-term health risk of continuously producing spike proteins – from what I have read, neurological and reproductive risks are the most popular speculations
    9. The virus is lab produced. Hard to take natural origins seriously. Circumstantial evidences on the lab-origin side are too strong. Too many coincidences that natural origin can’t explain.
    10. Virus was accidentally leaked, not deliberately released. TPTB is not so stupid to start a biological warfare with an unknown virus and unproven vaccine. Based on timeline, the leak happened at Fort Detrick some time in 2019 summer. The Ft Detrick lab closure, pandemic preparation on the US-UK-Israel side and the initial panic of Chinese leadership indicates foreknowledge on one side and absence of such on Chinese side. TPTB knew about the leak and risks, but did not want this to become public until the virus was identified in China, so they could blame it on Wuhan labs. 2014 moratorium expired in 2017. US labs restarted research in collaboration with WVI and an accident happened. Since the decision to restart dangerous gain-of-function research and the accident happened under incompetent Trump / Pompeo’s watch, TPTB stole the election from Trump as a punishment and denied him his second term, which I think he was originally selected to get.

    • Replies: @John Fisher
    @As I see it


    1. The virus is real and...
     
    ...then comes gaslighting, pettifog, and fear-mongering.
    Next please.

    Replies: @As I see it

    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
    @As I see it

    All very cogent, but I absolutely doubt that Gain of Function bio-warfare research ceased in the USA in 2014. I'm sure it continued, secretly, more or less, in one or more of the scores of bio-warfare labs operated by the Pentagon, CIA, private contractors etc, in the USA, or abroad, where the USA also operates scores of such facilities. The proposition of the Western fakestream media scum that the WIV is the only biological laboratory doing such research is typically despicable, relying on pig ignorant, moronic, brainwashed publics in the Free World.

    Replies: @As I see it

    , @niceland
    @As I see it

    I would be hesitant to place IFR below 0.25% But such low numbers hinge on people getting proper care if they get sick. Flattening the curve is important, and it happened on large scale.

    But these IFR numbers are so dependent on age they are difficult to evaluate. Past year, high risk groups have taken measures to avoid infection. Much more so than others. They have been reading about the terrible flu in the press for over year, and they react and so do their family members and friends, and take care not to infect them. This could be skewing some estimates on IFR downwards quite a bit.

    So called "long covid", meaning people taking long time to recover is also serious issue, and can't be ignored. Probably in the 1-3% range for those infected.

    , @Bugey libre
    @As I see it

    Would you, or someone else explain where on earth or anywhere else the yearly, regular flu has gone in 2020?

    Can we still call "vaccine" a vaccine developed in less than one year without due process of safety?

    We know that the mnra shitsoup is not a vaccine, should we still call it that way?...

    Researchers like :http://wikimonde.com/article/Alexandra_Henrion-Caude, of world fame,
    have been struggling to find a way to name it. Is it gene therapy? No cause there is no target... So what?

    As one of my martial art master used to say: "action resolves contradiction" and Alexandra has found the answer...:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SdesWAcdyw

  • @John Fisher
    @As I see it


    1. The virus is real and...
     
    ...then comes gaslighting, pettifog, and fear-mongering.
    Next please.

    Replies: @As I see it

    My mother’s PCR test was positive twice at low cycle counts exactly when she was sick with the exact symptoms (fever, weakness, loss of smell, headache) experienced by millions of others. She lives in India. Three of her friends in the same apartment complex died from same symptoms at around the same time. Why don’t y0u ask around people you know? Not hard to find people who have experienced the symptoms and tested positive concurrently. People who you can trust and are not lying. This virus is real, and can be quite bad for certain people. Don’t ignore it. Vaccines are risky, too. Everyone needs to do their own risk analysis and determine whether they should take the vaccine or not. I am not going to take the vaccine. The unknown risks of the vaccine seems to me to be higher than the known risk of infection for my age / health profile. But I don’t think the virus is fake.

    • Replies: @John Fisher
    @As I see it

    Okay, I take back some of my original comment because of this:


    Vaccines are risky, too. Everyone needs to do their own risk analysis and determine whether they should take the vaccine or not. I am not going to take the vaccine.
     
    Good take!

    But then this again:


    This virus is real
     
    People get sick because of things that cause disease (toxins in what we breathe, eat, and drink, plus fear and anger that we allow to consume our spirit, not to mention the electromagnetic pollution that beset us every day, all day).

    There is no proof anywhere, ever that a microorganism called a "virus" is the causative agent of any disease. Further, there is no proof anywhere, ever that ANY agent that causes disease can be transmitted from one human to another, or from one animal to another. It has NEVER been proved, despite multiple attempts.

    If 90% of the fish in a pond die all at once, it is because the water has been poisoned, not because one infected fish transmitted the disease to all the other fish.

    "It's the terrain!"
    - Pasteur on his deathbed (allegedly)

  • @Mulga Mumblebrain
    @As I see it

    All very cogent, but I absolutely doubt that Gain of Function bio-warfare research ceased in the USA in 2014. I'm sure it continued, secretly, more or less, in one or more of the scores of bio-warfare labs operated by the Pentagon, CIA, private contractors etc, in the USA, or abroad, where the USA also operates scores of such facilities. The proposition of the Western fakestream media scum that the WIV is the only biological laboratory doing such research is typically despicable, relying on pig ignorant, moronic, brainwashed publics in the Free World.

    Replies: @As I see it

    Agree. Between 2014 and 2017, some stealth research continued. But other labs probably were forced to pause and that’s why Grant Number – 2R01-AI110964 was issued by NIH to WVI. Then in 2017, all labs accelerated research perhaps realizing China has developed knowhow of Ace2 binding and can potentially use it as a future bioweapon. While accelerating research, some security protocols were breached and there was a leak.

  • @Kumbaresu
    @CanSpeccy


    By the way, where did that video come from?
     
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/ib4IZSaRvBuH/

    As a designed follow up to Covid19, that would explain the failure of full spectrum Covid19 immunity to stop it.
     
    I used to think that COVID-19 was a hoax and mRNA vaccines were bioweapons.
    However, I was wrong about the former. There must have been several releases in different parts of the world, with the P.1 being the latest or one of the latest and most potent. Apparently, the cabal needs to maintain enough fear everywhere in order to impose their toxic shots on everybody (at least 90% of the world population).
    In fact, this mayhem in Ukraine may be used for another release designed to bring Russia to its knees.
    BTW, if you doubted that the US government is controlled by reptilians, look no further than Avril Haines.
    This charming lady reminds me a cobra, her logic is laughable, but if she bites you, don't bother calling an ambulance.
    US intel chief says spy agencies still do not know where, when or how Covid-19 was initially transmitted

    Replies: @As I see it, @CanSpeccy

    Yes, not a hoax. The new Indian variant seems very potent. I suppose TPTB did not like the fact that Serum Institute and Bharat Biotech were making their own vaccines – Covishield and Covaxin – based on AstraZeneca. The variant sweeping through India seems to be resistant to Indian vaccines.

    BUT Israel — who would have thought — promptly reports today that Pfizer vaccine is partially effective.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/india/israel-logs-indian-covid-19-variant-sees-some-vaccine-efficacy-against-it-2021-04-20/

    I fear an ever more virulent version is reserved for Africa.

  • The jury has found Derek Chauvin guilty on all three counts. It took fewer than 24 hours to reach a unanimous decision. I have argued all along that an acquittal was impossible, no matter what the evidence showed. No jury, anywhere in the United States, could have found Mr. Chauvin innocent after nearly a year...
  • Nancy congratulated Floyd for “sacrificing his life for justice”. She thus confirmed the under-the-table deal we had suspected all along. Both the murder and the trial were fake. BLM riots needed a closure. Career criminal Floyd and his security buddy Chauvin cut a deal with demonrats and enacted a circus to deliver that closure. See you in 4 years.

    Who kills someone while getting recorded by a bunch of mobile cameras? Whole drama stinks of stagecraft.

    For all we know, Floyd is guarding Epstein’s house at some island. Knowing Epstein, that’s a sacrifice indeed.

    • Disagree: Katrinka
    • Replies: @Kumbaresu
    @As I see it

    In her wonderful speech, Nancy Pelosi said that George Floyd's name will always be a synonym of justice. Pelosi's name will be a synonym of an excrement.

    , @Zarathustra
    @As I see it

    It definitely looks like it. Like Rubinstein in Oswald case. Really confirmed?
    But than Nancy could be just stupid. Does not even realizing what she said!

  • As every fan of the old Perry Mason show remembers, courtroom witnesses swear "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." There's a reason for that particular choice of words. A pattern of selective omissions in an otherwise entirely truthful presentation can easily mislead us as much as any outright lie....
  • @stevennonemaker88
    Mr. Unz, Thanks for your work.

    Although this article is primarily about the origins of Covid-19, I want to bring up an important point. The fact of the matter is that the lethality of the virus is HUGELY overstated, and deaths being attributed to Coronavirus are NOT actually deaths caused by the Virus. We can tell this by looking at the CDC's own numbers.

    As of May 2, 202, The total "covid" death count was 560,616. Out of these people, their were 257,022 with Flu or Pneumonia, 89,748 with Diabetes, 110,763 with hypertensive disease, 210,769 suffered from respiratory failure, 53,604 had sepsis. ETC. On average, each patient counted as a covid death had 4 additional serious, often fatal conditions. Interestingly enough, 11,227 patients had "intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning, and other adverse events" which translates in laymen's terms as suicide.

    This should be clear and obvious to anyone actually paying attention that someone over 80 years old, who is DYING of fatal, long term health conditions, cannot be in any honesty considered as a death from the pandemic.

    The number of young, healthy people being killed by the virus is LITERALLY near one in a million. They are pretending this is the black death, and in 2020 put most of the planet under house arrest. They have an agenda, and the we are being lied to. The government response to the alleged pandemic is so out of proportion to the tiny lethality that the whole thing amounts to a hoax.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

    Replies: @Nancy O'Brien Simpson, @follyofwar, @As I see it, @Dieter Kief, @AB_Anonymous

    Ron is right.

    Excess death data across a large number of countries prove Covid is dangerous and fatal, mostly for elderly and frail.

    I am hearing daily first-hand reports from friends and family in India. Death and devastation are real and incredibly sad.

    And that’s just the immediate loss. “Long Covid” is real too, especially neurological damage.

    All estimates on total impact on life-years lost because of this bioweapon are likely to be under-estimates, not over-estimation.

    Just because fear porn MSM exaggerated fatality rates does not mean Covid is “just like flu” or a “hoax”.

    SC2 is a dangerous and meticulously designed bio-weapon, and likely there are several variations of this weapon whose deployment can be controlled by the same forces that sponsored the research and design.

    Please do not minimize the greatest crime against humanity.

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
    @As I see it

    Assuming the numbers are not fudged, excess death does NOT tell us that people are dying of covid. It is probably caused by lockdowns, pneumonia (Which is present in more deaths than covid according to the cdc), economic issues, postponing medical care for unrelated health issues, etc. Correlation and causality often overlap, but are not the same thing.

    Replies: @As I see it

  • I was also very impressed by Nicolas Wade piece. I think it demolishes the myth of natural origin. Ron Unz theory of bioweapon attack is more plausible than an accidental leak. But Unz may consider another version: the subject of the attack was the whole of mankind, while the perpetrators are the Davos Wizards dreaming of Great Reset. Yes, they wanted China to suffer the first blow, and they wanted Iran to be hurt badly, but perhaps these are secondary elements, while the most prominent is their desire to end the world we had, with too much democracy, too many disobedient, too many people travel abroad, not enough police control. View it as 9/11. version 2, an attack on all of us.

    • Thanks: Biff, FB, Franz
    • Replies: @cranc
    @israel shamir


    View it as 9/11. version 2, an attack on all of us.
     
    I agree.

    There is a bad contradiction in Ron Unz's hypothesis. He admits that the Covid disease is of (relatively) low lethality, but is highly transmissible. [BTW he wrongly asserts that it has proven asymptomatic transmission - one of the many myths of Covid propaganda].


    “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.
     
    Yet Unz also hypothosises that the plotters assumed that the virus would not spread out of the target countries:

    The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19.
     
    SARS and MERS were known as viruses with much high(er) lethality, but low(er) transmissibility. If the intention had been economic damage to China, then it is not plausible that such plotters would not realise the difference with respect to these virus forms nor take extreme measures to ensure the infection remained in the target country.
    I think this fundamentally undermines Unz's contribution. That and his labelling critics of his theory as 'conspiracy theorists', 'Trump supporters', 'anti-vaxxers', 'flu hoaxers', or 'anti China'.
    , @anon
    @israel shamir

    Yes, I favor this explanation.

    , @Jeffrey A Freeman
    @israel shamir

    Absolutely.

    Communist China attacked the free world.

    Tiananmen Square Massacre 2.0 🦠 🔥 ☠️

    , @Wade
    @israel shamir

    I cannot fathom why Ron Unz has not even deigned to mention The Great Reset in any of his pieces. I have a ton of respect for the man and his American Pravda series. I am eternally grateful for his efforts.

    But I must admit that I'm nonplussed over Ron's insouciance towards the issue of the WEF, The Great Reset, which has as it's predecessor the infamous "Agenda 2021" document. I wish he would take the time to comment on it because regardless of whether a person thinks the WEF is somehow responsible for the pandemic, it's difficult to comment on the pandemic without taking notice of their stated objectives to initiate a complete, world wide communist revolution where no one but they are allowed to own any property. It all came right from the horse's mouth that they are counting on COVID as the catalyzing event enabling such revolutionary theft and economic dictatorship.

    Such a thing is right in Ron's wheelhouse, even if only to ridicule it as a misguided theory. I was quite impressed with his JFK articles as he included in his survey of the literature a brief consideration of most all the available "who done it" theories. He made a great point about Allen Dulles being a retired spook about to embark on a nation wide speaking tour promoting his book, while younger members of his family were embarking upon public service careers (if I recall correctly), making it seem quite implausible that he'd take the risk of leading the effort to assassinate JFK simply as an act of revenge for being fired. I really appreciated the insight. He may have equally valid reasons to be dismissive of the WEF and The Great Reset. If so, I would greatly appreciate hearing from him on the subject. I sincerely hope HIS theory is the right one and not mine. It means that the perps aren't nearly as competent, their crime not nearly as well planned out as I fear, their range of support from the international media and multiple GMO's not nearly so complete, giving me some hope that things might return back to some semblance "normal" at some point in the near future.

    I noticed that Whitney Webb has an article on here showing that the WEF has now predicted a financial collapse at the hands of terrorist "hackers". If this happens, no doubt Klaus Schwab will have "solutions" at the ready to protect us from this ever happening again. No doubt these solutions will plunge us further into technocratic dictatorship on schedule for 2030.

    If this comes to pass will any of us be able to ignore the WEF's role in the pandemic? Surely even Ron would have to mention it then.

    I hope that I'm wrong.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @follyofwar

    , @Skeptikal
    @israel shamir

    " View it as 9/11. version 2, an attack on all of us. "

    It certainly has ushered in Gleichschaltung 2.0, international edition.

    , @Franz
    @israel shamir


    But Unz may consider another version: the subject of the attack was the whole of mankind, while the perpetrators are the Davos Wizards dreaming of Great Reset.
     
    Good stuff.

    It fits with Ron Unz's point above, that COVID is a low-lethality weapon and the effects would mostly be economic.

    The American agencies have waged war on their OWN people for decades, offshoring, in-migrating and relentlessly destroying the Middle Class that once was.

    Makes sense for them to do it to China, but even MORE sense to continue stamping down the small business, independent thinking class in the USA.

    Finance capital hates the idea of freedom; it engenders too many things finance can't control. How happy they've been been forcing the idiotic mask and distancing mandates shows their sheer lust for totalitarian control.
  • @Malla
    @GreatSocialist


    So our Fort Detrick may have accidentally or negligently released Covid-19, but instead of destroying China, it raped(Trump’s fav phrase) the USA first, and now it is raping India.

     

    Indian intelligence had reported of a secret China-Pakistan biological warfare against India.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzu7yF1fp0I
    Pak-China Anthrax Plot | Bio Warfare Against India
    An agreement to build bio-warfare capabilities has reportedly been struck between China and Pakistan with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hD-PWN5UN0
    Is Coronavirus A Secret Chinese Bio-warfare Weapon? India Today
    It seems an Israeli researcher Danny Shoham claimed that Coronavirus was created in Wuhan as biological warfare.

    Now I personally do not believe in the above. In India, "Chinese Imperialist Demons" are blamed for everything.

    Replies: @As I see it, @Bann

    They may be on to something.

    Instead of framing this biological world war as China vs. USrael, Russia vs. USrael, NATOUSrael vs Russia, Russia + China vs. NATOUSrael, I use a globalist vs. nationalist lens.

    Covid is a globalist bioweapon.

    The dominant elements within US deep state are globalist. During Trump admin, they faced infrequent, incoherent and ineffective resistance. One example was Iran. So the globalists took care of Iran, and eventually Trump through a stolen election, during the first wave of Covid.

    Similarly the globalists took care of nationalist presidents of Tanzania and Burundi who resisted globalist health empire.

    The countries suffering the most during the second wave are India, Brazil and Turkey, where there are some nationalist resistance, again ineffective, incoherent, and infrequent, on some fronts from Modi, Bolsonaro, and Erdogan.

    CCP and PLA are co-operating with deep state because of export market, self-defense, and regional geo-political aspirations. But this is an unstable equilibrium.

    All these seem good old CIA-backed deep state genocidal activities, aided and abetted by silence from scientific community, party driven by fear and partly by greed as they rest and vest BioPharma stocks while enjoying their grants and tenure.

    • Thanks: Malla
  • @supertjx
    Ron’s arguments are persuasive. But if this was really the work of rogue elements of the US deep state, I'm surprised the Chinese have not made a concerted attempt to point the fingers back at the US. I have also not noted any serious discussion of this theory on Chinese political websites like guancha.

    What could be the reason for this?

    Replies: @Kevin Barrett, @Billb

    The Chinese presumably aren’t pointing fingers at the US because they know the US has a much bigger global megaphone. If China trumpets the truth, the US can drown that out by hyper-trumpeting its prefabricated cover story lie blaming China and the WIV. Such a war of accusations would greatly increase the chances of a shooting war, which China doesn’t want. If there is no war, China with its unstoppable economy eventually wins by default; whereas the only way the US can even dream of hanging on to its #1 world power status is through pre-emptive war.

    This is geopolitics 101: the current #1 power almost always wages pre-emptive war against the rising #2 power. See Graham Allison.

    • Replies: @RTM
    @Kevin Barrett

    Also, if China's government publicly endorsed the Western bio-attack theory, then their public may exert considerable pressure on the government to do something. As you describe, it probably is not in their strategic interest to be cornered into some kind of overt retaliation.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz

    , @Ron Unz
    @Kevin Barrett


    The Chinese presumably aren’t pointing fingers at the US because they know the US has a much bigger global megaphone. If China trumpets the truth, the US can drown that out by hyper-trumpeting its prefabricated cover story lie blaming China and the WIV.
     
    Proof of this comes from past cases. As I pointed out in my original article, for decades it’s been admitted that the "Tiananmen Square Massacre" was just a hoax, but every year all the MSM outlets still run stories about it, so everyone still thinks it actually happened, including a certain fraction of Western-oriented Chinese people, not to mention Chinese living in the West.

    Similarly, it's perfectly well established that NATO deliberately bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999, with one NATO officer even bragging that they hit the exact room targeted, but since the American MSM said otherwise, everyone here believed it was an accident.

    I covered all of this in my original April 2020 article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    Replies: @lysias, @Bolteric

  • Many thanks, Ron Unz, for once again presenting what remains the most cogent explanation for the bizarre Covid-19 caper — ever since former insider Francis Boyle first authoritatively nailed it more than a year ago as a chimeric parasite clearly designed in a government biowarfare laboratory. After rigorous efforts to debunk or censor that unassailable conclusion, the masters of the narrative in government and media are only now resorting to back-filling articles, meaning they’ve recognize that their barrage of natural-origin propaganda is quickly losing traction. But this revision is only a limited hang-out.

    So much for the science. We are still left with the decisive political battle of pinning the blame on the bad guys of choice. Is it China or the USSA? Unlike Trump and Pompeo, you seem to be absolving China as an innocent bystander who astutely came up with the more effective response to the artificial scourge.

    I wonder whether it is that simple. Perhaps there are two warring factions within our own deep state: One being the militarist clique that sought to weaponize the term Wuhan virus to confront directly and even kenetically the grave challenge of a rising China to the empire’s geopolitical world hegemony; the other — the ascendant Fauci oligarchic technological/financial and internationalist clique — that seeks some mutual accommodation with China because it foresees China’s ultimate triumph with its superior political economy and intact society. Call that the China faction because China seems to be playing along smugly on the same team, starting with the cozine$$ between Wuhan lab and Fauci/WHO.

    You didn’t mention the strangeness of the USSA’s response to Corona, which speaks for the hidden motives behind it. The illegal biowarfare labs were not closed. But we wrecked our own Main Street economy, employment opportunities and Americal traditions — actions typically reserved to an attacking enemy in a real war. The political leadership has deliberately alienated half our own citizenry as “deplorables”, racists and potential “domestic terrorists”. They have also attacked the major social and cultural institutions, from the churches and voting to spectator sports, travel, leisure and free flow of information. And there are many more such self-inflicted crimes in the vaccine scam.

    Why would the leaders do that to themselves if they merely wanted to create a few viral speed bumps for rival China? Covid-19 was certainly the means, as you say. But it mainly provided the opportunity for major social engineering in the USSA. And maybe the overriding motive for these criminal shenanigans is not as clear cut as you suggest. The globalist progressive leadership now installed in the United States seems bent on imitating what it regards as the superior Chinese social and political model, which also serves their own globalist corporate interests. And imitation of China is the purest form of flattery.

    • Replies: @Jeffrey A Freeman
    @St-Germain

    Spot on.

    But why do you call USA the USSA?

    Replies: @gsjackson, @St-Germain

  • @stevennonemaker88
    @As I see it

    Assuming the numbers are not fudged, excess death does NOT tell us that people are dying of covid. It is probably caused by lockdowns, pneumonia (Which is present in more deaths than covid according to the cdc), economic issues, postponing medical care for unrelated health issues, etc. Correlation and causality often overlap, but are not the same thing.

    Replies: @As I see it

    Yes, all those factors contribute to excess deaths. But Covid is a factor, too.

    Ethical skeptic on twitter has done excellent work on excess death stats over the last 10-12 months by separating Covid deaths from deaths caused by other factors. You can follow his work if you are interested.

    In most OECD countries Covid death numbers are a bit inflated, I agree. And we can debate by how much. But even the reduced number is still a very large toll. And we are just talking deaths, not long-term health damage and reduced life expectancy.

    On the other hand, most developing countries are under-reporting excess deaths, I am pretty sure.

    My mother lives in a high-rise apartment complex in India. She personally knows six people who died in the last few weeks. Similar symptoms – fever, fatigue, rapid fall in oxygen level, breathing problems, death. With a better health care system, some of them could have been saved perhaps. But it’s undeniable Covid is taking a brutal toll on India. If anything, Indian death stats are grossly under-reported. Even during normal times, 1 in 5 deaths in India gets registered. Forget about proper attribution.

    • Replies: @alan2102
    @As I see it

    https://twitter.com/ArielKarlinsky/status/1385909013678895106
    Ariel Karlinsky @ArielKarlinsky
    In #WorldMortality, @hippopedoid and I find excess deaths to be 1.6 higher than reported COVID deaths. We believe this to be a LOWER bound on the toll of COVID-19.
    https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604
    https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality
    6:50 AM · Apr 24, 2021

    https://twitter.com/ArielKarlinsky/status/1385914176086941696
    However, this study was the first to change how I view COVID-19 mortality reporting. The current toll of >3 million deaths is a considerable under-estimate and I suspect it is closer to 10 million than 3 million. Why?
    In #WorldMortality, our positive undercount ratios (excess deaths to reported COVID deaths) ranges from 1x (OECD), 5x (Russia), 10x (El Salvador), 30x (Uzbekistan), 50x (Nicaragua) and even 100x (Tajikistan).
    7:11 AM · Apr 24, 2021

  • @Ace
    @Skeptikal

    Many thanks. That's an insightful video. I watched the first part but am forced to save it for later viewing. I agree wholeheartedly that the American warfare state needed a new justification and it sure as hell wasn't infrastructure renewal.

    Your comment matches my epiphany about the reality of the American state. I thought that the Cold War and America's role in it were righteous and it all gave meaning and direction to what the U.S. did around the world. I'm not a believer that the Soviet threat was in any way a contrivance of the Cold Warriors but if I thought the Soviets a malevolent entity I now most certainly do NOT see Russia as being in any way a carbon copy of their criminal ways. Yet here we are beating the "Russian threat" like a rented mule and speaking of the Putin "dictatorship."

    It's all hideously contrived and the years since 1991 have stripped away the veneer from the "exceptional" nation. The reality is that there is a stunning malevolence at the heart of American society that satanic. See the comment of gcjohns1971 that I quote at comment 315, below. Absolutely NO decisions affecting the fortunes of the American republic or its citizens are intended to protect or advance the interests of either.

    Forgive me if I don't do complete justice with regard to your comment but suffice it to say that the studied obtuseness of the so-called political class can be seen in the way that the "crisis" was handled. Americans accepted initial control measures because we understood there was a dearth of information about what the threat was. It quickly became apparent that there would be no principled national exploration of the threat and all sensible options. Instead we saw an amazing effort to keep such a debate from happening and to suffocate all mention of HCQ, vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, mortality rates, etc. The stats were distorted as you point out, the tests goosed, and prominent and obscure people punished, ridiculed, and deplatformed for daring to advance alternative views. Aka, for daring to spread "disinformation." What persisted was a haphazard glop of half-baked, tendentious commentary from Fauci and precisely zero movement toward a refined and practical overall policy. Good luck discovering what exactly our policy is today. And the facts about the vaccine are murky at best and the official version suspicious at best.

    Civil liberties and freedom of speech were attacked with hardly a wave of the hand in the direction of constitutional authority for the draconian measures adopted.

    And then out of nowhere comes the bizarre Klaus Schwab with his presumptuous of course, children, we must now play a game of "52 Pickup." You agree, of course, ignorant peasants. We, whoever we are, have it all figured out for you.

    It's difficult to make the necessary adjustment from believing Western civilization was on a pleasant, salutary upward trajectory to greater prosperity and rational living to realizing that Western civilization is a nothing more than a sick joke and its elites sicker still. But I'm well on my way there.

    Replies: @As I see it

    Perhaps Gandhi was right all along.

    When a reporter asked him what he thought of Western civilization, he famously replied: “I think it would be a good idea.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @As I see it

    The only reason Gandhi was alive to write that was he was dealing with Western civilization, not Eastern, nor the 2nd World. What a turd.

    Replies: @Ace

    , @Ace
    @As I see it

    Having lived in Africa during colonial times I have a positive view of what colonial rule meant for everyone. Africans yearned to be able to work in S. Africa, for example. There's much to be learned from comparing the separation approach to multiethnic societies with the mad equality approach. Muslims and Jews seem to favor out and out supremacism which is an interesting variant. Islam has a bit more resilience in it as it does provide for membership in the ingroup.

    I knew a Pakistani gentleman some years later in the U.S. He said that his people referred to the British as snakes so there's some support for Gandhi's view. But overall I think Mr. Newman's point is well taken. The Brits ruled well for the times and had the sense to realize that it was a new day after the war. The manner of their leaving was disgraceful but that's another story.

    What has replaced those terrible old ways is fatuous flabbiness. Western civilization has an increasingly shorter half life and Africa and India will shortly be called upon to demonstrate how life without white civilization will be. India will surely prosper but Africa will not.

  • @Skeptikal
    @Ron Unz

    "So all the technologies involved, including the particular types of virus, had long been developed by Ft. Detrick or our other biowarfare labs, and they were simply diverted and deployed by an unauthorized group of plotters, probably backed by someone at a pretty high level."

    So you don't agree with the Wade hypothesis?
    The virus came from the USA?
    And was carried to China?
    After the bat virus had been brought from China to Fort Detrick?
    So, Dr. Bat Woman had nothing to do with creating the virus, despite her publications about her work?

    Huh. Just doesn't seem to meet any kind of Occam's Razor requirement.

    Unz seems to be going out on a limb and create a few hoops to jump through in order to sideline the point of Wade's work.

    Why?

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    So you don’t agree with the Wade hypothesis?
    The virus came from the USA?
    And was carried to China?
    After the bat virus had been brought from China to Fort Detrick?
    So, Dr. Bat Woman had nothing to do with creating the virus, despite her publications about her work?…Unz seems to be going out on a limb and create a few hoops to jump through in order to sideline the point of Wade’s work.

    I’ve tried to make my views very clear and explicit in all my articles, including this latest one:

    Having now twice read Wade’s long article, I can say that I find nearly all of his scientific arguments quite compelling, and I have almost no points of significant disagreement. Yet my overall conclusions are entirely different from his…Although Wade is absolutely correct in stating that “there are two main theories” about the origins of Covid-19, this duality has been enforced by political pressures…

    And if these were the only two possible theories, all arguments against the one would necessarily support the other. But this framework is upended once we recognize that there is a third logical possibility, far more vilified and excluded than that of the “lab-leak hypothesis” but also far more plausible and supported by much stronger evidence.

    Wade makes a very strong and compelling case against the virus being natural. But he provides almost no evidence supporting the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis. Sure, Wuhan’s “Bat Lady” was working on bat viruses. But all of her American colleagues were also working on bat viruses. Bat Lady published articles about genetic work on bat viruses, but enormous numbers of other American researchers have also published articles about genetic work on bat viruses. As Whitney Webb’s important article from Jan. 2020 discussed, bat viruses are among the most common subjects of all viral research, especially bioweapon research:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

    There’s essentially ZERO evidence that Covid-19 was developed in the Wuhan lab, and ZERO evidence that there was a lab-leak. Indeed, as I emphasized in my article, the remarkable timing of the initial outbreak is *extremely* suspicious, while an accidental lab-leak would obviously be entirely random.

    Maybe Ft. Detrick developed the virus from an precursor they had originally gotten from Wuhan. Who knows? Maybe they got it elsewhere. Maybe it wasn’t Ft. Detrick. All of this is pure speculation, far beyond any of the available evidence.

    The key point is that since Baker and Wade have only considered the natural and lab-leak scenarios, all their evidence against the natural case automatically supports the lab-leak alternative. But my whole point is that there’s a third possibility much more likely than either of them.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Ron Unz


    There’s essentially ZERO evidence that Covid-19 was developed in the Wuhan lab, and ZERO evidence that there was a lab-leak.
     
    That's true, except that the Chinese have not been very transparent about WIV. If their records all pointed against problems at the lab, they would let the WHO team (which seems pretty pro-Chinese anyway) look at everything in order to clear their names and point the finger at the US.

    Also, if it's true that COVID came from US intelligence, the absence of evidence of a lab leak is actually strange. If it were a set-up, you would expect some planted evidence. I note that your theory involves rogue elements in the intelligence community. This is, of course, not demanded by the evidence, but it is demanded by the odd lack of evidence. A few conspirators without enough resources could explain why no evidence of a lab leak was made up or planted, but the full financial resources of the CIA and other agencies and with all their black arts at their disposal does not explain such a big lacuna in a plan.

    Indeed, as I emphasized in my article, the remarkable timing of the initial outbreak is *extremely* suspicious
     
    Unz, you are a Big Brain math guy, and I am not. Can you explain how remarkable the timing is? Chinese New Year comes around every 12 months. And since you suggest possible drone attacks or other things for the Iranian outbreak and for previous agriculture viral outbreaks in China, the World Military Games is really not a necessity for your theory. Just why is the timing *extremely* suspicious, rather than a little unusual or just maybe chance?

    while an accidental lab-leak would obviously be entirely random
     
    That is, of course, not true. There are lots of things that could possibly make a lab-leak non-random. I have worked in health care before, and I (or anyone who has worked before in an environment that requires constant vigilance to prevent mistakes) can tell you that there are many factors that contribute to mistakes. Excessive drinking, anxiety about seeing relatives, excitement to get home--these are things that might be affecting people's performance in a run-up to a holiday. And that is a very small set of examples.

    Maybe Ft. Detrick developed the virus from an precursor they had originally gotten from Wuhan. Who knows? Maybe they got it elsewhere. Maybe it wasn’t Ft. Detrick. All of this is pure speculation, far beyond any of the available evidence.
     
    Indeed. As I pointed out in a comment above, a theory that is just as supported as yours is that the Chinese were developing a bioweapon in preparation for creating chaos during the US presidential election, but that US intelligence got wind of it and orchestrated a lab leak (rather than introducing it themselves) in order to prevent an attack. At least this theory has the benefit of being supported by "evidence" that the Chinese had long-term plans to disrupt the US health care system with a Coronavirus...

    The key point is that since Baker and Wade have only considered the natural and lab-leak scenarios, all their evidence against the natural case automatically supports the lab-leak alternative. But my whole point is that there’s a third possibility much more likely than either of them.
     
    First, it's not true that Wade only presents evidence against a natural source. For example, he discusses the various levels of safety precautions used at WIV. This is not evidence like a document saying there was some accident at WIV but it is suggestively circumstantial.

    Second, I don't think your theory is "much more likely" than the lab leak hypothesis. Besides the laughably "suspicious" timing of the "Military World Games attack" apparently happening 3 months (!) before Chinese New Year (27 Octo 2019 to 25 Jan 2020), your theory seems to be supported by only two other legs--the purported DIA warning and the Iranian outbreak.

    Recently, you, Unz, have been doing God's work promoting Glenn Greenwald's essays in your news links. One of Greenwald's main themes is that journalists these days are just gossip-mongers who repeat anything salacious that is likely to get clicks. So, I don't understand why you promote Greenwald's writing but, when it comes to this DIA warning, place so much faith anonymously-sourced articles that provide no evidence. For the last four years--indeed, this trend was apparently heightened during the Trump administration--journalists seem to have been happy to put into print any old thing they were told by an "anonymous source". I, for one, would not build a theory of geopolitical wrangling based around some rag's unsourced claims.

    But, but! Let's assume the DIA warning to NATO and Israel was real. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that the US intelligence community knew about a spreading pandemic in Wuhan before the CCP? I don't think so at all, for two reasons. First, the CCP is institutionally constituted to reject bad news. Anyone who doubts this just has to look to the example of the original whistle-blower eye doctor who tried to warn the government about the pandemic and was shut down by party operatives. Second, it is very possible that WIV personnel may have tried to hide a lab leak from the authorities for reasons of self-protection but on the other hand not have tried to hide a lab leak from any US intelligence sources for the simple reason of not knowing they were compromised by US intelligence. In fact, when you consider the potential importance of the WIV to war scenarios and the involvement of the US in the WIV, it would be remarkable if US intelligence hadn't tried to infilltrate the WIV in order to know about things like lab leaks. So, even if the DIA had warned allies about a pandemic back in October or November, I don't think this is in any way a "smoking gun."

    As for the Iranian outbreak, you, Unz, yourself have pointed to reasons to disbelieve through your comments in the above article on "the whole truth". That is, your articles that reference the Iranian outbreak speak of it as a suspicious coincidence, but they demonstrate no attempt by you to disprove the suspicion. In other words, you appear to be telling the truth, but perhaps not the whole truth...

    I am not an expert on the course of the COVID outbreak, but I did spend a few minutes during my lunch break today Googling the COVID outbreak in Iran. And, lo and behold, the suspiciousness of the Iranian outbreak's timing, victims, and circumstances looks much less than after I initially read your articles. I will post below just a few select articles to let readers judge for themselves (while noting that this is not by a long measure the totality of the articles), but point out first just a few dates...

    22 Feb 2020 - first death in Italy
    30 Jan 2020 - first case in India

    3 Feb 2020 - Diamond Princess quarantined in Japan
    20 Jan 2020 - first case in South Korea

    19 Feb 2020 - first case in Iran
    21 Feb 2020 - first case in Israel

    25 Jan 2020 - first case in Australia
    31 Jan 2020 - declared "public health emergency" in USA
    31 Jan 2020 - first confirmed case in UK
    27 Jan 2020 - first case in Canada
     
    As you can see from the above dates, your theory that "early" outbreaks in Asian countries around China were normal but that "early" outbreaks in Iran were abnormal is wrong. Outbreaks occurred around the world at the same time, including in Israel and the USA's "five eyes" allies and NATO countries.

    It's obvious why this was the case in many places since Wuhan was a hub of international as well as domestic Chinese business and travel, but why was it the case in Iran? Well, here I leave readers to search and think for themselves...

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-iran-qom-idUSKBN21K1NO
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/world/middleeast/iran-suleimani-zarif.html
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-iran-became-a-new-epicenter-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak
    https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-19/
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/284051

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsgZgtzyAms

    Suspicious timing, DIA reports, and Iranian exceptionalism--this all rather points to this website's weird obsessions with Middle East politics and China apologetics than to solid evidence of US intelligence operations.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz, @Realist, @James N. Kennett, @utu, @Ron Unz

  • @As I see it
    @stevennonemaker88

    Yes, all those factors contribute to excess deaths. But Covid is a factor, too.

    Ethical skeptic on twitter has done excellent work on excess death stats over the last 10-12 months by separating Covid deaths from deaths caused by other factors. You can follow his work if you are interested.

    In most OECD countries Covid death numbers are a bit inflated, I agree. And we can debate by how much. But even the reduced number is still a very large toll. And we are just talking deaths, not long-term health damage and reduced life expectancy.

    On the other hand, most developing countries are under-reporting excess deaths, I am pretty sure.

    My mother lives in a high-rise apartment complex in India. She personally knows six people who died in the last few weeks. Similar symptoms - fever, fatigue, rapid fall in oxygen level, breathing problems, death. With a better health care system, some of them could have been saved perhaps. But it's undeniable Covid is taking a brutal toll on India. If anything, Indian death stats are grossly under-reported. Even during normal times, 1 in 5 deaths in India gets registered. Forget about proper attribution.

    Replies: @alan2102

    https://twitter.com/ArielKarlinsky/status/1385909013678895106
    Ariel Karlinsky @ArielKarlinsky
    In #WorldMortality, @hippopedoid and I find excess deaths to be 1.6 higher than reported COVID deaths. We believe this to be a LOWER bound on the toll of COVID-19.
    https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604
    https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality
    6:50 AM · Apr 24, 2021

    https://twitter.com/ArielKarlinsky/status/1385914176086941696
    However, this study was the first to change how I view COVID-19 mortality reporting. The current toll of >3 million deaths is a considerable under-estimate and I suspect it is closer to 10 million than 3 million. Why?
    In #WorldMortality, our positive undercount ratios (excess deaths to reported COVID deaths) ranges from 1x (OECD), 5x (Russia), 10x (El Salvador), 30x (Uzbekistan), 50x (Nicaragua) and even 100x (Tajikistan).
    7:11 AM · Apr 24, 2021

    • Thanks: As I see it
  • @Gizmo880
    Certainly plausible, but two observations:

    1) The Deep State Rabbit Hole is so enormous and compartmentalized that unless someone is intricately involved, a lay person can only barely guess at motives and responsible persons.

    2) Even if China were the 'victim' in this case, they are no more trustworthy or moral than their Western counterparts. They are not the 'Good Guys' any more than our 'masters' are.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Ultrafart the Brave, @brabantian, @Michael Korn, @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Even if China were the ‘victim’ in this case, they are no more trustworthy or moral than their Western counterparts.

    Yes they are.

    Beyond the simple contemporary contrast between the current respective trajectories of the formerly affluent American public and the rising prosperity of the Chinese people, history emphatically demonstrates the point.

    China is a mercantile entity – it accomplishes it’s purposes through negotiation and trading. Examine it’s multi-millennial track record – China doesn’t do war, unless it’s forced to defend itself.

    Contrast this with the several centuries of the USA’s blood-soaked existence. The USA uses money to coerce compliance with it’s will, always for its own advantage at the expense of its counterparts in a zero-sum game, and backs that up with assassinations, false flags, staged “colour revolutions”, proxy “civil wars” and outright unilateral military invasion and destruction of any nation that dares to challenge or assert independence from its rule.

    The ruling American elites apply these principles in equal measure to their own people as much to foreign entities. Remember Pearl Harbour – they set it up, they knew it was coming, and they let it happen. Remember the Liberty – do you really even need to ask? Remember Operation Northwoods – only President Kennedy had the conscience and morality to put a halt to that, and we all know President Kennedy’s fate at the hand of US Army snipers. Remember Operation Gladio, where European governments got to do the slaughter and mayhem on their own people that President Kennedy stopped when he killed Operation Northwoods. Remember 11 September 2001 – not only did the American government organise and carry out this atrocity, the American people enthusiastically went along with it. And so on it goes.

    In any competition for trustworthiness, China is way up on the plus side of the ledger when compared to the USA. Dealing with China is akin to dealing with fair but astute businessmen. The USA is as trustworthy as a cabal of out-of-control gangsters.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Very well said. Too many people (and not merely Americans) still buy into the carefully promulgated idea of the USA as being a benign entity, determined to defend 'freedom and democracy' throughout the world. Leaving on one side the fact that those twin lies constitute the main propaganda weapon of a mendacious tyrant, the truth about the USA is exactly as you describe.

    , @nosquat loquat
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Excellent post, thank you.

    , @Franz
    @Ultrafart the Brave


    Beyond the simple contemporary contrast between the current respective trajectories of the formerly affluent American public and the rising prosperity of the Chinese people, history emphatically demonstrates the point.
     
    Fine comment, yet the first point says it all.

    As young Americans face diminishing opportunities under the current regime, their Chinese counterparts really can dream of the stars. And worse, the Biden regime is going through the motions to deliberately keep the status quo. Which means more wars that bankrupt the country, more stupid payouts to bankers whenever the economy hiccups, more debt and more uncertainty for its citizens.

    A nation that destroys its future as wantonly as the US has in this century is raising serious questions: Is it a nation or not? And was it ever? Everything the old time anti-Americans once said has come true, and nobody in Washington seems to give a toss.

    Replies: @Biff

  • Barr says:
    @Alfred
    @barr

    50% of deaths in India are below the age of 50. Brazil ‘s ratio is more. African data is much more promising and hopeful .

    The media is doing a great job of not letting you know what is really going on in India.

    India has millions of migrant workers who are normally paid just about enough to survive and to remit a small amount their families in remote villages.

    Let me translate the title below - "40 million migrant workers in India; 7.5 million return home so far"

    4 crore migrant workers in India; 75 lakh return home so far ..(Times of India)

    Many of these migrant workers have not been allowed to work for months. They have no money. Food shops are only open for perhaps one hour per day. There are massive queues. A great many of them have starved to death. These dead are called Covid victims.

    Here, the brothers toiled in the shadows of the city's imposing skyscrapers that migrant workers build for the affluent. Ferrying cement, sand, bricks and stones, they earned 450 rupees ($6; £4.35) every day for eight hours of work. They lived, ate and slept in unfinished buildings, and sent most of their savings home to support their families.

    India Covid-19 migrants: 'Lockdown will make us beg for food again'

    The cynicism of politicians is universal. Modi is no different from Johnson, Bidet or Merkel.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/14D1F/production/_117997258_ajl_6811.jpg

    Replies: @Barr

    Interesting answer to the post .

    Migrants left last year . People are dying this year . Migrants were not seen dropping dead on the way back to the villages . They were seen herded into cowshed and kennels or somewhere worse than that . They were seen walking and walking .

    The 50% death is not from them . Migrants don’t account of the deaths more than the general population ( young) does.

    By the way why ponder and pontificate and surmise and use the thought as some kind of conclusion .

    Let’s focus on what we know : this virus is not expected evolution of SARS neither it is hoax ( your cognitive discordance worth noticing )
    People are dying . Wish you were in MI few weeks
    when the system was overwhelmed .

    • Agree: As I see it
    • LOL: Thim, Alfred
  • @barr
    @Emslander

    Wish you were here in Italy and in New York city last year . Wish you woukd visit Amazon and India now . I am not forgetting Spain, Sweden , Mexico or Peru.

    50% of deaths in India are below the age of 50. Brazil 's ratio is more. African data is much more promising and hopeful .

    Mortality is percentage wise is miniscule but absolute number is overwhelming .

    Same is true for short and longterm morbidities .

    Its the absolute numbers that matters sometimes. That sometimes is now.

    Another curious thing is the virulence of the next generation of this virus . Infectivity is understood but why virulence ?

    Why Covid 19 would be a natural progression from SARS ? There is no reason to comclude so.

    Replies: @Alfred, @some_loon

    50% of deaths in India are below the age of 50. Brazil ‘s ratio is more. African data is much more promising and hopeful .

    The media is doing a great job of not letting you know what is really going on in India.

    India has millions of migrant workers who are normally paid just about enough to survive and to remit a small amount their families in remote villages.

    Let me translate the title below – “40 million migrant workers in India; 7.5 million return home so far”

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    4 crore migrant workers in India; 75 lakh return home so far ..(Times of India)

    Many of these migrant workers have not been allowed to work for months. They have no money. Food shops are only open for perhaps one hour per day. There are massive queues. A great many of them have starved to death. These dead are called Covid victims.

    Here, the brothers toiled in the shadows of the city’s imposing skyscrapers that migrant workers build for the affluent. Ferrying cement, sand, bricks and stones, they earned 450 rupees ($6; £4.35) every day for eight hours of work. They lived, ate and slept in unfinished buildings, and sent most of their savings home to support their families.

    India Covid-19 migrants: ‘Lockdown will make us beg for food again’

    The cynicism of politicians is universal. Modi is no different from Johnson, Bidet or Merkel.

    • Troll: As I see it
    • Replies: @Barr
    @Alfred

    Interesting answer to the post .


    Migrants left last year . People are dying this year . Migrants were not seen dropping dead on the way back to the villages . They were seen herded into cowshed and kennels or somewhere worse than that . They were seen walking and walking .

    The 50% death is not from them . Migrants don’t account of the deaths more than the general population ( young) does.

    By the way why ponder and pontificate and surmise and use the thought as some kind of conclusion .


    Let’s focus on what we know : this virus is not expected evolution of SARS neither it is hoax ( your cognitive discordance worth noticing )
    People are dying . Wish you were in MI few weeks
    when the system was overwhelmed .

  • @Yee
    Polymath,

    "YOUOFALLPEOPLE should have been able to detect the information that China attempted to release to defend the Wuhan researchers despite an American media blackout. It’s not like they don’t have people to disseminate their point of view."

    Many people asked why China haven't been pointing finger and making accusations if it is an bio-attack. Simple, because if we do, it'd no doubt turn into a "soft power" war which China would lose miserably. The US has all their propaganda machine and "experts" in the ready. Truth is the least important element in such a war.

    No, you don't engage in a battle you have no chance to win.

    Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain, @Wizard of Oz, @Wild Man

    Mr. Unz seems to be of similar mindset as you, on this particular issue. But it simply makes no sense. There is such a thing as human morality. There are even some universal features (across cultures). There is no culture in the world, that does not understand, at a very fundamental level, that if there is a scourge to be collectively dealt with, that under such scenario, those that obfuscate and lie to save their own skin (or otherwise benefit themselves), with effect of said obfuscation and lying tantamount to making the scourge much worse (sowing covid chaos by confounding narratives makes the scourge much worse) … are evil.

    So if the Chinese virology operation at Wuhan (particularly Dr. Shi’s operations), was the source, and therefore those involved (Dr. Shi for instance) may, as such, know secrets about the scourge that everybody else is just guessing about, right now (gain of function … especially the targeted gene insertion variety) …. and the CCP suppresses that info (which is what they are being accused of) ….. and then the CCP just doubles-down and triple and quadruples-down, with respect to continuing to suppress said info, as this whole thing has gone on and on and on, for at least 15 months now, affecting the entire world, …. well, if this ends up being the truth ….. everybody on earth will recognize said actions as inherently evil.

    As such, despite complaints about western mainstream media always twisting the truth (which is of course absolutely true as Mr. Unz well outlines, which of course is, in of itself, similarly evil) ….. the CCP still have a responsibility to all the people of the earth, to bring some order to the covid narrative ….. so we can all understand what we are really dealing with here.

    Just because we already know that in the west, there are deep-state globalist factions, that have become the dominant factions in western institutional apparatchik, and do this very thing (visit cognitive-scourges that beget physical scourges of all types, upon the world) doesn’t mean that the CCP get off the hook for behaving similarly badly. Because, if indeed that is where we are at, then it is truly time to head for the hills folks.

    As such, I think it is clear, that by way of the CCP stonewalling with poker face around their involvement in these such gain of function experiments, shows that it is highly probable that the CCP knows that the wild covid strain, is at least close enough to the gain-of-function versions that Dr. Shi and others, apparently had on their shelf, …. that they will be targeted as the real culprits, when the facts most probably support Mr. Unz’s contention that these covid-2 strains were cultured all over the place, in western labs as well, ….. the gain-of-function research work was a shared endeavor.

    That is the terrifying aspect to all this. The CCP thinks the truth is so bad, that the current worldwide chaos, is worth the price, of keeping the secret. So why would that be? The people of the entire world desperately need to know right about now, precisely what was, and is being done in the name of ‘Science’. Alot of it is technocratic claptrap. This technocratic house of cards needs to be dissolved. The western deep-state apparatus and the CCP apparatus share one aspiration though ….. and that is a devotion to the technocracy. It’s well past time, for the CCP to stand up, and show their cards, around covid-2 source. But they choose not to. This should be terrifying to people. Because this means that there truly is no bulwark against the ever-growing anti-true-west forces that continue to usurp American power. Putin tries to provide such bulwark (by way of some interviews he has given to western journalists) but fails. There is no one else capable (besides the CCP). Are they gonna step up and be heros …. or are they gonna cave, because they were compromised, over the lab leak source, maybe even set up to fail in that way on purpose, maybe even by way of a false attribution operation like Mr. Unz hypothesizes? The anti-true-west (actually globalist) deep-state actors within the west have always successfully compromised all comers, for decades now. The CCP is most probably now so compromised (over shared technocratic shenanigans). Are they gonna admit it, so as to act as linchpin to get to the bottom of all this? It seems unlikely now, after 15 months. What a shame (for the future of humanity).

    This whole covid thing shows just how broken everything has become. We are now in a time of very very dire danger (when no man, not even Xi Jinping, dare stand up for the truth).

    • Thanks: As I see it
  • @Jean-Marie L.
    This is a remarkably strong thesis, but there is a point I have to question:

    The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19.
     
    Given that the virus had been engineered for high infectiousness, the "blowback" had to be totally anticipated; and it played nicely into the anti-Trump offensive in a number of ways, including providing the needed chaos to more easily doctor up the elections.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @As I see it

    Your argument is internally inconsistent. If you accept the part of Ron’s thesis that states rogue neocon elements in Trump admin drove the plan, you also have to accept “the blowback” to the US was unintended, not deliberate. Why would they jeopardize Trump’s re-election and their own positions within Trump administration knowingly?

    One possibility is the rogue elements were convinced by the scientists that the bioweapon was genetically targeted, and will have no effect on Caucasians. Which the scientists were wrong about. US bioweapons research has a tradition of R&D in genetically targeted weapons.

  • @James Forrestal
    @That Would Be Telling


    Her work has been highly recommended, and she’s got at least three preprints out, did a lot of the work while locked out of her lab as I recall. As described her thesis goes into significant details on how SARS-CoV(-1) underwent a lot of mutations quickly, apparently to better adapt itself to humans, while SARS-CoV-2 popped up strangely well adapted to humans.
     
    Some of it's the "strangely well adapted" part; some of it's simply the lack of genetic diversity (which in a rapidly-mutating RNA virus like SARS2, indicates a single recent jump to humans -- successful on the "first try"). Which doesn't distinguish between the "bioweapon" and "accidental lab release" theories; but it makes a "natural" bat >> unknown intermediate host >> human route less likely.

    Despite being the star of that Boston piece -- which goes a little overboard on the "Strong, independent WOC takes on patriarchal, misogynistic scientific establishment all by herself, and WINS!" narrative, she's... third author on the original paper:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.073262v1.full.pdf

    Makes some good points, though.

    This is an interesting thread of hers on problems with the pangolin and RaTG13 [aka btCoV/4991] data. Looks like the both the Chinese researchers and Nature taking some short cuts to promote the natural origins theory, but it's tangled up enough that it likely will never be sorted out, especially since the original samples are [reportedly] gone.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1320344055230963712.html

    Related paper: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.07.184374v1

    This guy's pretty good, too:

    Until recently, the dominant narratives from both US and China have strongly emphasized natural origin from the start, with "bioweapon from the other guys" as an alternative narrative promoted mostly to the domestic audience but not "officially" endorsed. Though here's a Chinese Foreign Ministry official promoting Unz's take to an international audience way back in early March 2020:

    https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823

    It's not entirely clear to me why they're allowing the lab leak theory to get so much more attention now.

    Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain, @As I see it, @idrankwhat

    “It’s not entirely clear to me why they’re allowing the lab leak theory to get so much more attention now.” –

    The timing is likely driven by second Indian wave. Increasing Indian animosity towards China and keeping India out of China-led strategic initiatives such as Belt and Road have to be among the top objectives on deep state / neocon Covid-19 agenda.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @As I see it


    The timing is likely driven by second Indian wave. Increasing Indian animosity towards China and keeping India out of China-led strategic initiatives such as Belt and Road have to be among the top objectives on deep state / neocon Covid-19 agenda.
     
    Could be. The way they manage the Indian thing is kind of interesting. "Kabbala Haaretz" is mostly characterized by the "news" media as "Black" -- but she's half Tamil Brahmin, and maybe 1/4 West African [father is a mulatto]. And the desis know it, even if the average American doesn't. There has to be a reason why someone whose campaign was such a pathetic failure* [3% support when she dropped out] was picked as VP, and the Indian connection may well be part of it. It's well-known, of course, that pajeets living in the US vote overwhelmingly for "anti-r****t" [anti-White] Democrats, while simultaneously supporting Hindu supremacists (BJP/ Modi) back home.

    This is viewed as somewhat "problematic" under systemic semitism, as only one tribe is allowed to openly practice particularist morality to this extreme a degree (Zionism -- yes! Hindutva... no). You can even find major semitic "news" outlets that are targeted toward international audiences whining about anti-White hatred in India -- something they would never do when targeting an American audience.

    Kabbala, of course, is not a big BJP/ Modi supporter. The Biden administration has a very clear policy on that. Remember, "too much" ethnonationalism is a bad thing for all goyim, not just Whites.

    *See also Glow-in-the-Dark Petey
  • @Wild Man
    @anonymous

    [This is not a comment-thread for Flu Hoaxers or Anti-Vaxxers. Don't be surprised if such comments get trashed. This website has numerous other comment-threads for those unrelated topics.]

    Yes, I think you are right, ..... pretty much .... how else to see it at this point? Our host (Mr. Unz) seems to want to make out like this latest globalist play, (i.e. - Covid Officialdom's 4 extremely egregious, harmful, and obnoxious lies promulgated in such a way so as to make clear that the Covid Officialdom narrative is indeed completely converged upon the globalist narratives we are all otherwise used to spotting), as something much narrower, .... only about a narrow element within globalism-proper, that went rogue, apparently, wthout any collusion with the other overall elements of this ongoing globalist cabal.

    Such speculation (Mr Unz's) simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever on any level. I'm not really sure what Mr. Unz is attempting here, by trying to narrow the discussion in a way that is clearly not warranted.

    I really haven't spelled out (in my comments above within this article thread) what I meant by the 4 well-known but extremely egregious, harmful, and obnoxious lies being promulgated by Covid Officialdom. I didn't think I needed to because so many of the commenters have well spelled out what these lies are ..... but in summary form, here they are:

    1) Continued lies around the IFR (infection fatality rate) once it was known that the earlier figures were 10x more severe than what was soon known (the actual IFR figures, if recall correctly, could already be inferred by data, as early as then end of April/20)

    2) Mis-use of PCR testing, so that, during the overly massive daily testing program the U.S. undertook, during the fall of 2020 and into winter, ..... the massiveness of the testing program, within scenarios where there is not widespread current covid infections, guarantees false positive rates, under such conditions, as high as 90%, which according to Covid Officaldom's reporting protocols, were all, nevertheless, deemed 'cases', as such rendering any reporting around 'cases' as completely bogus, to the point that such data doesn't really mean anything at all .... but note that the bogus 'cases' figures were always and everywhere used in reporting, at the same time that the all important IFR factor, is always downplayed. So, so obvious - no?

    3) Lying about the efficacy of the forced dystopian face-hiding and muzzling measures (particularly harmful, developmental-wise, to our children). It turns out there is virtually no efficacy in either direction of transmission (spreading covid, or catching covid). This was all completely obvious upon first discussions on mask mandates. Anybody could immediately see this for themselves. Take a big drag on a cigarette (or weed if you prefer that instead) , put your cloth (or surgical) mask on, look in the mirror, exhale, and see where the smoke goes.

    4) Lying about the efficacy of available non-vaccine prophylactics and non-vaccine therapeutics. Absolutely disgusting.

    These 4 lies (together with the circumstances as to how they have been executed by Covid Officialdom) ...all reinforce a particular direction, that was taken by Covid Officialdom, as at around the end of April/20, ..... and that direction was ..... 'the unavailable (at that time) and unknown vaccines, that turned out to be experimental as well as free of completion of stage 3 clinical trials, will be heavily promoted to the detriment of the alternate viewpoint', that, given our state of knowledge at that time (April/20), was this: 'Yes, let's work on vaccines (obviously) but let's not hold our breath on that, and get on with dealing with the fiasco in a way that can ultimately lead to herd immunity in the most painless way possible'. This alternate (as more 'rational' dare I say) viewpoint was discouraged in ways the even featured outright lying as committed by Covid Officialdoms's thought leaders (Fauci & Gates for instance).

    Obviously, since ALL the globalist factions immediately and completely fell in line around these lies, right from the very beginning, and then enforced these lies when others pointed out that indeed they are lies ..... this is an indication that Mr. Unz's seeming insistence that we should just ignore all this obvious stuff, to instead focus on something rather besides the point (hey man, the west is evil because the got these rogue elements, that the west doesn't do anything about, even though said rogue elements march the west towards oblivion), ... makes you wonder if Mr. Unz is covering for the converged forces of globalism-proper, by making it out that it's just rogue elements, without then going on the explicate around what said eventuality would mean, in terms of geopolitical relations. If it is just rogue elements, within globalism-proper ..... why would the other factions coalesce around the 4 lies mentioned above (including the NeoCons)? It makes no sense. And then when I prod Mr. Unz as to consider the outcome of his scenario (i.e. - whom does the Grail serve? type-thing) ... I (and everybody else here that starts to go that way in this overall discussion) gets crickets, in return, from Mr. Unz.

    What give here?

    Replies: @As I see it, @Stonehands

    Those four lies could have been fabricated after the fact — BioPharma and their paid puppets in media, together with various health organizations and service providers colluding to take advantage of the crisis (“never let a crisis go to waste”)

    Similarly, all states have natural totalitarian tendencies. What’s not to like about masks and lockdowns, especially when that helps their big tech and big box donors destroy small business competition?

    Does not necessarily mean the fabricator of those four lies were involved in triggering the crisis, which could very well be driven by a rogue group within US intelligence, as Ron hypothesizes.

    And the rest of the evil scum just adjusted after the fact to squeeze maximum power and money out of the situation, while screwing us. Which they are naturally good at.

    One challenge with this line of thinkings the timing (October) of Event 201, the pandemic simulation led by Gates et al. They had to know.

    Another challenge is how quickly the vaccines were ready. But I have read after two decades of investments into mRNA tech, the platform was ready to create vaccines within days, given the genetic sequence of a virus as an input. But I don’t know much about vaccine tech.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @As I see it


    Does not necessarily mean the fabricator of those four lies were involved in triggering the crisis, which could very well be driven by a rogue group within US intelligence, as Ron hypothesizes...

    And the rest of the evil scum just adjusted after the fact to squeeze maximum power and money out of the situation, while screwing us. Which they are naturally good at.
     
    Sure, that's my own opinion.

    One challenge with this line of thinkings the timing (October) of Event 201, the pandemic simulation led by Gates et al. They had to know.
     
    Actually, I discussed this issue upthread. Since the viral epidemics began hitting China's food supply in 2018, it seems pretty plausible that's when the plotters began their project. So maybe they also decided to start spreading word of a possible future epidemic in vaguely general terms to our elites like the WEF during the couple of years that followed:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#comment-4653521
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @As I see it


    Similarly, all states have natural totalitarian tendencies. What’s not to like about masks....
     
    For the state, it makes people more anonymous. No idea why the Right in the US didn't think of this angle.

    One challenge with this line of thinkings the timing (October) of Event 201, the pandemic simulation led by Gates et al. They had to know.
     
    All they had to know was that after SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012 which is still with us due to its camel reservoir that a coronavirus pandemic was likely sooner or later, and as a generic respiratory disease back then it's also a good stand in for the next flu pandemic. Per Wikipedia quoting a 1921 book there's a Sanskrit record of what looks to be a flu epidemic in Babylon circa 1200 B.C. Hippocrates from Northern Greece and Livy much later reported on a 412 BC epidemic which may have been influenza. One things we've been recently contemplating is if any prior epidemics or pandemics ascribed to flu were actually caused by a coronavirus; there are four which are endemic in humans and cause perhaps 15% of the cases of "the common cold."

    There's also the issue that pandemic simulations have been held for some time, the sort of thing high time preference people and peoples do. Wikipedia included Event 201 with several others hosted or co-hosted with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. So this amounts to claims a pre 9/11 2001 anticipated a smallpox attack on the US, ditto 2005, and there was one who's focus is not cited in 2018.

    Another challenge is how quickly the vaccines were ready. But I have read after two decades of investments into mRNA tech, the platform was ready to create vaccines within days, given the genetic sequence of a virus as an input. But I don’t know much about vaccine tech.
     
    The two leading vaccine mRNA companies had been working on the technology for many years, and in 2018 switched or added to their goals vaccines because other more profitable uses weren't panning out (there are several others BTW). The other factor is almost two decades of work into safe SARS type coronavirus vaccines.

    Circling back to our host's thesis, a conspiracy aware of vaccine technology advancements like mRNA and the more proven adenovirus vector (Janssen previously used their platform for an Ebola vaccine which passed an European based Phase III trial), and well as the long proven grow a protein in bug cells approach which Sanofi/Protein Sciences uses for the flu, might have factored that into their plans.

    Just those three approaches avoids any single point of failure assuming you believe the NIH researched indeed cracked the spike protein antigen problem in 2017, covering both modes of action which I call active and passive, and manufacturing. Of course it's never that simple especially when you need to vaccinate billions of people as quickly as you can while still continuing to produce regular needed vaccines, and for example fill and finish becomes a bottleneck, maybe even glass. But this is the sort of thing the US can still do well.

    Because they'd have to be stark raving mad to inflict upon the world a pandemic without having an exit planned. Although as we've discussed knowing for sure what their posited brewed up bioweapon would do in humans would have required a lot of testing in humans. Suppose they incorrectly believed it was more like SARS and MERS in transmission, or perhaps a bit more, vs. what lineage B.1.1.7 has added to an already frightfully good at transmitting "classic coronavirus." Transmission study could be one of the hardest things to get right inside "a lab" to the extent you don't do a good enough simulation of the real world.
    , @Wild Man
    @As I see it

    Yes ..... as I recall, it was around the end of April/20, that the official narrative changed from 'flatten the curve' to 'believe the Science'. And that is precisely when there was massive collusion amongst the globalist parties (all the usual suspects - I listed such parties above in comment # 690) as coalesced around the 4 lies I mentioned in the comment above.

    So, for the first bit there, until around the end of April/20, it looked like uncertainty was the perspective of these same globalist parties. But here is the deal .... this globalism does operate, as you allude to, by way of a massive technocratic apparatus, but upon inspection, one will see that this apparatus is very hierarchical, and there exists at the top of every major field of human endeavor, a technocrat that wields alot of power (well usually, I would venture, that even at that level it is more likely more than just one, but a small sub-cabal), over that domain, ..... because it is a collusion among what I would call the upper echelon of the technocratic order, that provided each of these domain-controllers, with said power over their domain (by way of reinforcing lies with those that they collude with, capable of such, by way of their alternate apex within-domain positions). Now, the scale of this is worldwide, is at least an inner circle of 10,000 individuals (loosely speaking: billionaires + their top technocratic lever-pullers). I would say, that in the least, this group would all be in the know, around the kind of massive operation that Covid Officialdoms's enforced lies, requires. It's absolutely crazy. 10,000 people are alot of people.

    So, as per your following comment:

    "Does not necessarily mean the fabricator of those four lies were involved in triggering the crisis, which could very well be driven by a rogue group within US intelligence, as Ron hypothesizes. "

    Well, though I do agree with you that the globalist cabal did not decide upon a course of action on this unfolding covid situation until around the end of April/20 (I did say that, but I also started saying 'right from the very beginning' as shorthand - sorry - I should have been more careful), which is an interesting consideration all by itself (it probably reveals certain things about the inner workings of the cabal), ....... this, in the very least meant that they all agreed to a course of action, after they became privy to the reality of the situation (which is being withheld from us), even if they didn't all know what had actually occurred, in reality, with respect to the unfolding covid situation, as of let's say ... late Feb/20. So ... yes indeed the question is open (at least for us mere plebs) as to whether this was: 1) An accidental lab leak from somewhere, or 2) An accidental lab leak from Wuhan (WIV), or 3) As executed by way of a rogue element from within the globalist camp that the globalists-proper decided to forgive on anyways, or 4) Whether this is the intentional doing of the CCP, or 5) Whether this is via a rogue element within the CCP apparatus, that the CCP hierarchy decided to forgive anyways, or, alternatively purged the transgressors (except China is opaque and so we can never be sure about 'disappearances' and such).

    I think these 5 are the list of possibilities - no? Like I think we can all agree there is enough evidence now to show that the natural origin theory is highly unlikely. So ...... it seems what we have going on, on both sides (both internally within the CCP-controlled world, and internally within the anti-true-west globalist-controlled world) is that there are some lower-level technocrats that have figured out, that whatever they were told, is BS, and have decided to try to speak up, and in both China and in the West, this has been massively suppressed. So ..... we can argue about which of the 5 mentioned possibilities are the most likely .... and I really don't have a strong opinion one way or the other.

    But otherwise, the important point to see is ..... even if this was by way of rogue elements within anti-true-west-globalism-proper .... it didn't matter .... the cabal (let's say ... 10,000 strong) decided to forgive. Under this scenario, yes then, I would then agree with Mr. Unz that the NeoCons would be the likely culprits (because it is their job otherwise, to perform said function for the overall cabal). But there have been no sign that the NeoCon component of the overall cabal, are being punished. Biden has got NeoCons.

    Quite the quandary - eh? Why the big forgive? (if that is what we are actually looking at here ... and like I insinuated above, around the 5 possibilities, I think it is still completely up in the air, as to which possibility is the most likely). And otherwise, if it was one of the other 4 scenarios .... same deal .... the details didn't matter .... as of the end of April/20 it all became about enforcing a massively-agreed-upon (by insiders), but otherwise massively deceitful, narrative. As if that was on the shelf, ready to go anyways, but maybe quicker than anticipated, ..... the opportunity to execute presented itself, and the weird agenda is upon us anyways. I'm not advocating for a 'Flu Hoaxer' stance and never have. I'm saying that, unfortunately, because of the very low quality of worldwide leadership all round, apparently (even in China apparently) we still don't really know precisely what covid-2 is, or how harmful it is. This is absolutely terrible, and unconscionable.

    PS: I guess we shouldn't rule a possibility #6 either - that the anti-true-west, but western globalist cabal have planned the whole thing right from the very beginning (summer 2019 let's say), and just stayed mum until the end of April/20, so as not to sow suspicion that might arise if people started to see they come together into official opinion well before any one would believe they could have their facts straight yet. And as well, ... in this case wouldn't they be watching first, how well the whole thing worked, before taking their further steps? But like I said above, I am not particularly advocating for any one of the 6 (now ) possibilities, so far mentioned (i.e. - maybe people can think of some more such non-natural-origin possibilities that I may have overlooked).

    PS: From comment #690 above:

    Anti-true-west, but otherwise western, Globalists = the neocons, and the neolibs – whom enable each other, and the corporations, and the media, and academia, and the western intelligence community, and the entertainment industry, and Wall Street/London finance players …… all together form this interlocking force called ‘globalism’ ….. a desire for a technocratic one-world government serving the interests of a very very narrow group of elitists whom are all filthy rich.

    Replies: @Robert Snefjella

  • @As I see it
    @Wild Man

    Those four lies could have been fabricated after the fact -- BioPharma and their paid puppets in media, together with various health organizations and service providers colluding to take advantage of the crisis ("never let a crisis go to waste")

    Similarly, all states have natural totalitarian tendencies. What's not to like about masks and lockdowns, especially when that helps their big tech and big box donors destroy small business competition?

    Does not necessarily mean the fabricator of those four lies were involved in triggering the crisis, which could very well be driven by a rogue group within US intelligence, as Ron hypothesizes.

    And the rest of the evil scum just adjusted after the fact to squeeze maximum power and money out of the situation, while screwing us. Which they are naturally good at.

    One challenge with this line of thinkings the timing (October) of Event 201, the pandemic simulation led by Gates et al. They had to know.

    Another challenge is how quickly the vaccines were ready. But I have read after two decades of investments into mRNA tech, the platform was ready to create vaccines within days, given the genetic sequence of a virus as an input. But I don't know much about vaccine tech.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @That Would Be Telling, @Wild Man

    Does not necessarily mean the fabricator of those four lies were involved in triggering the crisis, which could very well be driven by a rogue group within US intelligence, as Ron hypothesizes…

    And the rest of the evil scum just adjusted after the fact to squeeze maximum power and money out of the situation, while screwing us. Which they are naturally good at.

    Sure, that’s my own opinion.

    One challenge with this line of thinkings the timing (October) of Event 201, the pandemic simulation led by Gates et al. They had to know.

    Actually, I discussed this issue upthread. Since the viral epidemics began hitting China’s food supply in 2018, it seems pretty plausible that’s when the plotters began their project. So maybe they also decided to start spreading word of a possible future epidemic in vaguely general terms to our elites like the WEF during the couple of years that followed:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#comment-4653521

    • Agree: As I see it
  • @As I see it
    @Wild Man

    Those four lies could have been fabricated after the fact -- BioPharma and their paid puppets in media, together with various health organizations and service providers colluding to take advantage of the crisis ("never let a crisis go to waste")

    Similarly, all states have natural totalitarian tendencies. What's not to like about masks and lockdowns, especially when that helps their big tech and big box donors destroy small business competition?

    Does not necessarily mean the fabricator of those four lies were involved in triggering the crisis, which could very well be driven by a rogue group within US intelligence, as Ron hypothesizes.

    And the rest of the evil scum just adjusted after the fact to squeeze maximum power and money out of the situation, while screwing us. Which they are naturally good at.

    One challenge with this line of thinkings the timing (October) of Event 201, the pandemic simulation led by Gates et al. They had to know.

    Another challenge is how quickly the vaccines were ready. But I have read after two decades of investments into mRNA tech, the platform was ready to create vaccines within days, given the genetic sequence of a virus as an input. But I don't know much about vaccine tech.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @That Would Be Telling, @Wild Man

    Similarly, all states have natural totalitarian tendencies. What’s not to like about masks….

    For the state, it makes people more anonymous. No idea why the Right in the US didn’t think of this angle.

    One challenge with this line of thinkings the timing (October) of Event 201, the pandemic simulation led by Gates et al. They had to know.

    All they had to know was that after SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012 which is still with us due to its camel reservoir that a coronavirus pandemic was likely sooner or later, and as a generic respiratory disease back then it’s also a good stand in for the next flu pandemic. Per Wikipedia quoting a 1921 book there’s a Sanskrit record of what looks to be a flu epidemic in Babylon circa 1200 B.C. Hippocrates from Northern Greece and Livy much later reported on a 412 BC epidemic which may have been influenza. One things we’ve been recently contemplating is if any prior epidemics or pandemics ascribed to flu were actually caused by a coronavirus; there are four which are endemic in humans and cause perhaps 15% of the cases of “the common cold.”

    There’s also the issue that pandemic simulations have been held for some time, the sort of thing high time preference people and peoples do. Wikipedia included Event 201 with several others hosted or co-hosted with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. So this amounts to claims a pre 9/11 2001 anticipated a smallpox attack on the US, ditto 2005, and there was one who’s focus is not cited in 2018.

    Another challenge is how quickly the vaccines were ready. But I have read after two decades of investments into mRNA tech, the platform was ready to create vaccines within days, given the genetic sequence of a virus as an input. But I don’t know much about vaccine tech.

    The two leading vaccine mRNA companies had been working on the technology for many years, and in 2018 switched or added to their goals vaccines because other more profitable uses weren’t panning out (there are several others BTW). The other factor is almost two decades of work into safe SARS type coronavirus vaccines.

    Circling back to our host’s thesis, a conspiracy aware of vaccine technology advancements like mRNA and the more proven adenovirus vector (Janssen previously used their platform for an Ebola vaccine which passed an European based Phase III trial), and well as the long proven grow a protein in bug cells approach which Sanofi/Protein Sciences uses for the flu, might have factored that into their plans.

    Just those three approaches avoids any single point of failure assuming you believe the NIH researched indeed cracked the spike protein antigen problem in 2017, covering both modes of action which I call active and passive, and manufacturing. Of course it’s never that simple especially when you need to vaccinate billions of people as quickly as you can while still continuing to produce regular needed vaccines, and for example fill and finish becomes a bottleneck, maybe even glass. But this is the sort of thing the US can still do well.

    Because they’d have to be stark raving mad to inflict upon the world a pandemic without having an exit planned. Although as we’ve discussed knowing for sure what their posited brewed up bioweapon would do in humans would have required a lot of testing in humans. Suppose they incorrectly believed it was more like SARS and MERS in transmission, or perhaps a bit more, vs. what lineage B.1.1.7 has added to an already frightfully good at transmitting “classic coronavirus.” Transmission study could be one of the hardest things to get right inside “a lab” to the extent you don’t do a good enough simulation of the real world.

    • Thanks: As I see it
  • @Wade
    @Ron Unz

    I am one of the "crackpots" above that brought this theory up. You took the time to respond to me kindly and I greatly appreciate it. I've been reading your various clarifications to me and others and the more I think about it, I do believe your theory is head and shoulders the only one currently justified by the available evidence.

    In trying to see the whole WEF/Great Reset thing from this vantage point, the more it looks like they are just trying to capitalize on a crises. You said:


    In fact, didn’t that Cass Sunstein fellow years ago say that the using “cognitive infiltration” to promote ridiculous nonsense was the best means of defeating “conspiracy theorists” on the Internet? It worked pretty well for 9/11, so why not apply it to Covid-19 as well?
     
    Yes, indeed he did. He also said, "Don't let a good crisis go to waste." I did a quick internet search on this and guess what the first thing that came up was? A Federalist Society conference on the various governmental power grabs that have occurred as a result of COVID and whether or not our governments will ever relinquish these powers after COVID subsides. Cass Sunstein is one of the featured speakers: https://fedsoc.org/conferences/covid-19-the-law-conference?#agenda-item-regulation-or-don-t-let-a-good-crisis-go-to-waste

    I haven't listened to it yet so I don't know what he said there.

    I'm starting to think that this whole Great Reset thing is just a matter of taking advantage of an existing crisis to further various previously existing agendas. I don't think this assumption is spurious. After all, there's a long history of using environmental concerns to try and crack down on human freedom and consumption. Klaus Schwab's ranting about transhumanism and the 4th industrial revolution, though, is probably just that: ranting.

    As to Event 201 which ostensibly demonstrates prior knowledge of the pandemic, it may be due to something similar that happened with 911. Listen to Al Franken's infamous "I got the Jew call" (his words not mine) admission:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUupziRrqg8

    To me it would not come as a shocker if we were to learn that the organizers of Event 201 received similar advanced warning and that they were long-prepared to capitalize on the eventuality of a pandemic or an outbreak of biological warfare. Whatever the case, I no longer think this is essential to understanding the origins of COVID.

    With that said, I do think the people behind the Great Reset really are attempting a power grab on behalf of western governments, but this should probably be addressed as a separate issue from the question of Covid's origins.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Morton's toes

    I’ve been reading your various clarifications to me and others and the more I think about it, I do believe your theory is head and shoulders the only one currently justified by the available evidence.

    Thanks for the kind words.

    I’m starting to think that this whole Great Reset thing is just a matter of taking advantage of an existing crisis to further various previously existing agendas. I don’t think this assumption is spurious.

    Sure, I agree with that 100%. Various groups are always trying to take advantage of major world events for their long-planned policies.

    As to Event 201 which ostensibly demonstrates prior knowledge of the pandemic, it may be due to something similar that happened with 911. Listen to Al Franken’s infamous “I got the Jew call” (his words not mine) admission:

    That’s certainly possible. One reason I didn’t pay much attention to the Event 201 issue is that various international groups have been publicly warning about future global epidemics for decades, as I’ve read in my newspapers. So when one of those warnings actually comes true, it doesn’t necessarily imply foreknowledge.

    On the other hand, you might entirely be correct that the Deep State Neocons (or whomever) who were behind the attack decided to spread some “advance knowledge” to various elite groups, though in a fairly vague way, e.g. “Our intelligence analysts have become very concerned about the possibility of a global epidemic within the next few years.” Since those previous waves of viral diseases hitting Chinese food production had begun in 2018, there would have been plenty of time for WEF Event 201 to have ramped up, despite the organizers absolutely no specific awareness of the planned biowarfare attack.

    By contrast, the secret November DIA report reported that there was a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak currently taking place in Wuhan, which is an extremely specific and precise claim, and why it might be considered “a smoking gun.”

    • Agree: Wade, As I see it
    • Replies: @Wade
    @Ron Unz

    Regarding the idea that much of the anti-vaxx, anti Bill Gates hysteria, could be a form of cognitive infiltration by neo-con seems likely. The most watched and most prominent of the BitChute conspiracy videos about this topic seems to be Alex Jones. As you are probably aware, Jones did more than anyone else to popularize the "Loose Change" version of the 911 conspiracy that blamed Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld for 911. The Loose Change documentarians admitted years later that they had come across plenty of evidence of Israel's involvement, but left it all out of their account because they were afraid that it would lead to more antisemitism. Alex Jones was long fingered by Michael Collins Piper, Ryan Dawson and many others as a sort of Zionist shill.

    So, it's really shaping up that the Bitchute community is ground zero for a US-Zionist cointelpro-like operation where the most scary, yet unsubstantiated, conspiracy theories point the blame around for the pandemic to everyone but the neocons. Jones himself seems to be converging on the theory that it was Fauci who somehow colluded with the Chinese at Wuhan who then used the resulting virus to attack us, or something.

    A big tell-tale sign that this is what's happening is the fact that Steve Bannon, a neocon, was the earliest proponent (that I know of) of the lab-leak from Wuhan theory. He stated his theory almost as early as you stated yours, if I remember. However, unlike you, he has inexplicably enforced his own Overton-window on the question of whether it could've happened on purpose. I mean if you believe someone in Wuhan accidentally leaked it, why would you consider it off the table that someone at that lab did it on purpose? If these labs really are that "leaky" it's not only possible but probable that the leak is intentional. And yet he has enforced this artificial limitation vigorously. It should not be a surprise that the Wuhan-origin theory of the pandemic is now being fully embraced by Alex Jones and partially by some from the MSM.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Wild Man

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Ron Unz

    One bit of Science!!! you might look into if you think you can find a source you trust is that coronaviruses are unique among RNA viruses in having a proofreading mechanism, so they mutate at a slower rate than other RNA viruses. By looking at the accumulation of usually "mostly harmless" to humans or the virus mutations you can estimate the time that has elapsed between two samples which perhaps a few weeks of accuracy, more than you often get for this sort of "biological clock." You can also work backwards from the first sample you've got to make some guesses about what it was derived from, and what it wasn't without human intervention.

    This also can be used to map out where a sample came from, so if there are for example any published Iranian sequences you should be able to figure out when and maybe where they came from.

    , @Emslander
    @Ron Unz

    Are you simply ignoring the Fauci-Wuhan connection that has risen in the Senate?

    Senator Rand Paul has pretty much accused Fauci of having funded the creation of the SARS2Covid19 virus. Fauci's denials are very tightly qualified and amount to a substantial admission.

    Why don't you factor that probability into the plandemic equation?

    It would explain the good doctor's frenzied behavior toward governmental responses to the virus.

  • @denk
    @skrik

    Entirely plausible,

    Message hidden in plain sight ?
    https://preview.redd.it/uljxwkk4kes41.jpg?auto=webp&s=1583e7206b97d5a9454c1365910c219a39bad797

    The victory lap ?
    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/750x445/1236255.jpg

    Woudnt be surprised if they whip out a whistle blower defector tomorrow !


    Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we start to deceive
     
    ----------------
    PS
    Behind every successful pandemic psycop stand a USA THREAT REDUCTION progrom

    Replies: @skrik, @As I see it

    According to Amazon, the publication date for that Economist issue is January 1, 2018

    When did they start planning this?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @denk
    @As I see it

    GOing backward,

    Event 21 [2020]
    Gates warning on Chinese wet markets 2020
    Netflix drama about virus from China 2018
    .
    .BIll Gates warning about a global pandemic that kill millions , 2015
    .
    .
    The film Contagion about virus from HK bursting into a world pendemic 2011
    .
    .
    Koontz book on Wuhan flu 2008
    .
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    .
    Simpson cartoon about flu from East Asia 1993

    [[[They]]] might've been prepping us since 1993 !

    ==========================
    The Real World says:


    May 19, 2021 at 1:10 pm GMT • 3.2 hours ago ↑
    Consider this:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-communist-professor-declares-us-was-defeated-biological-war-china

    Chen Ping, Senior Researcher at #FudanUniversity, professor at #PekingUniversity, says the #CCP won the trade war, science & technology war, and especially the biological war in 2020.
     
    ZEROCRED eh ?

    Even if this is the authentic original speech.., lets see

    Who started the trade war, science and tech war against China ?
    He obviously meant,,..

    #CCP won the trade war, science & technology war, and especially the biological war [waged by fukus.]
     
    Its so obvious,

    You are just another fucking idiot
    wasting our time.

    [I dun intend to waste a separate post for this idiot]\

    Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain

  • For more than a year now, I've been publishing a series of articles and columns discussing the origins of the global Covid-19 epidemic and strongly arguing that the outbreak represented an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). Here are links to the three major articles, with the last appearing a week ago: American Pravda:...
  • Little by little, chipping away…
    Some people criticize Mr. Unz for being “too neutral” and “too polite” on the topics he gives his attention to, but someone has to do this as well.
    And sometimes it’s precisely this approach that helps crack the wall of lies.
    Anyway, thank you for your writing efforts, Mr. Unz, and most of all for this website. It’s a sanity saver!

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @Rahan

    The use of CVirus was a NWO plan for years to bring in the Medical Martial Law Technocratic State NWO One World Government along with their goal of "depopulation" (they have been very up front as to this for years and Gates literally stated on video that the "vaccines" were to be used for this "depopulation" Agenda -- pro-vaccine types just gloss right over this of course....) -- the "vaccine" agenda was always part of that -- it was all gamed and planned out by both the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations, JohnHopkins etc. to accept all this as coincidence or due to their deep "caring" for the Peons is to be brain dead at this point....--

    The WEF and all related Davos "Elites" were quite ready to roll out the Great Reset on the back of the CVirus -- the Mainslime Media which they totally own jumped in and fanned the greatest hysteria in world history to push the planned Agenda, when it happened all the pieces were ready to fall into place with Fauci being the ringleader --

    Leading NWO/Gates/Rockefeller Foundation Cretin Tony Fauci has his fingerprints all over the development of deadly Gain of Function research from which this CVirus surely came from (lying creep NWO "Expert" Neil Ferguson had his Gate's funded "Models" ready to roll out and which were used to destroy the USA/Western Civ. Economies, all based on trash numbers and predictions)-- The "Scientists" who are claiming this came out of bat eating are ALL linked to Gain of Function Research and the Lab(s) -- their "Bat Eating" line has been parroted by the Mainslime Media of course but that is finally falling apart.

    Hopefully Fauci is indicted for Crimes Against Humanity along with Gates and the other NWO "Elites" in and out of Government (the Food Shortage side of this is now rolling out-- 200 million are at risk -- quite a "depopulation" job they pulled off and we have yet to see what the Spike Proteins in the "vaccines" may do in the next Cold Season in the Fall/Winter ahead as to the "vaccinated" -- even given unprecedented deaths and carnage by these "vaccines" (where they would have been pulled long ago based on past history as to such results in vaccine roll outs/trials) they are still being pimped, propagandized and basically forced on human guinea pigs-- some of which virtue signal their injections on Fbk or wherever -- and are dead the next day-- the stupidity of it all is mind numbing....:

    https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2021/05/10/unthinkable-thoughts/?unapproved=619431&moderation-hash=64570a8645924809d46e593acc33d840#comment-619431

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/05/dr-fauci-you-are-done-here/

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/05/dr-fauci-gain-of-function-wuhan/

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/05/why_are_media_ignoring_data_showing_massive_covid19_vaccine_death_spike.html

    This guy has been predicting all of this for years right from the "Elite" Creeps' mouths, Eugenics pushers for many decades -- and he has it all here -- the entire history leading up to what they are currently pulling to enslave and "depopulate", the mostly clueless, Peons: https://www.corbettreport.com/

    Replies: @Bahmi, @Veritas121212

    , @Leo Den
    @Rahan

    https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/

    , @GomezAdddams
    @Rahan

    I never view the news on US major TV network or read the news in any US mainline newspaper but READ and digest the Unz Review ----a good site for what major news should be ----editorials both pro and con and representing "we the people" and giving us "food for thought"---Ron Unz is to be commended and all opinions presented ----never fails to impress-----Unz is super !!!

    , @Easy Pete
    @Rahan

    How would you or any of us know?

    , @GomezAdddams
    @Rahan

    "The Wuhan Institute of Virology issued a statement on March 23 of this year, which stated that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had not encountered any cases of the novel coronavirus infection until December 30, 2019. The statement said that, as of March 23, 2021, no Institute employee had contracted the coronavirus. Therefore, the publication about the illness of three employees of the Wuhan Institute of Virology is absolutely untrue," ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said at a press briefing.

    Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain

    , @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @Rahan

    Mr. Unz is simply that rare individual who is truly dedicated to seeking the truth, where ever that truth may lead him. The whole Unz review is a gold mine of knowledge, not perfect but more accurate in content than most other news web sites. Here all ideas and thoughts are allowed and this helps to stimulate the forming of a closer picture of what the truth of any situation discussed is, simply because nothing is left out or thought irrelevant. Like one sage said, Any fool can know. The point is to understand. A lot of the posters on this forum got me from knowing about a lot of stuff, to coming closer to understanding it.. Thanks, Unz review.

  • @Mustapha Mond
    @emersonreturn

    " ....& that in order to maintain supremacy dirty tricks/hybrid/bio warfare was its only option."

    Which have failed miserably.

    So what's next on the 'destroy China' agenda?

    (All guesses welcome......place your bets!)

    Replies: @As I see it, @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Release a stronger variant in South and South East Asia, and blame China for the fatalities, leading to proxy wars, product boycotts, and trade sanctions.

    That exercise seems to have started with the Indian genocide and some MSM journalists finally waking up from their deep slumber and acknowledging the existence of Wuhan lab for the first time.

    Hindi Chini bhai bhai.

    • Disagree: Sarah
  • “these two microscopic segments probably overlap considerably.”

    I belong to the overlapping segment. I have watched most of the videos you are referring to, have read every single Q post, followed QAnon leaders in order to make a sense of all of this.

    Gates, Schwab, Agenda 2030, Great Reset, Georgia Guidestones etc. are most likely clever distractions.

    If de-population, especially of non-white population, were the goal of globalist eugenists all along, you must admit that they have failed miserably over the last hundred years.

    Similar to how Q movement stigmatized white nationalism and legitimate demands for populist policies, blaming non-state actors, foreign powers and unaccountable unreachable billionaires takes the focus away from state actors, some of whom are elected, the United States government which is supposed to be for us, by us, and of us, and finally us, the US citizens, who are also indirectly responsible for the atrocities and genocides committed by our government.

    Does not mean Gates, Schwab, global banking cartel, power-hungry billionaires are not evil. But they have more reliable, and more conservative, strategies of gaining power and money. Starting biowarfare is too unpredictable for their taste.

  • Earlier by Ann Coulter: "I Will Not Be Scienced"—Experts Wrong, Covid Could Have Come From Wuhan Lab After All The sudden dramatic collapse of the elite-enforced Narrative that Covid-19 could not possibly have originated in a Chinese laboratory is one of the most extraordinary developments in modern political history [That Didn't Age Well: Wuhan Propaganda...
  • @Refl
    Now, can anyone enlighten ne, because I really don't understand...
    I am a dedicated corona-denier from the earliest days of the pan/plan/scamdemic and I have never shifted my opinion, because having whitnessed the earlier swine/bird flu scam and similar idiocies, I by no means could take this one serious. Regardless of details that are to complicated for this small brain of mine: the mortality is low, has always been low and by no means justifies the measures taken. In fact, one has to ask, how bad it would have to be to justify any of what is happening. This all bears the marks of a gigantic psyop.

    If I were to accept the bioweapon/lab leak story, I would have to accept that the virus is a real danger, which it is not. I take this story to be just another layer in the game of smoke screens to have us all scared and make us fight over non-issues, instead of calling out the big lie.

    Mr. Unz just the other day went mad at a comment of mine under his latest American Pravda piece. I am invited to deny the holocaust, blame the Zionists for any crime thinkable, but corona-denial is a deadly sin.

    Can anyone enlighten me, why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop??

    Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave, @As I see it, @skrik, @chrimony

    “why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop?”

    Excess death stats globally, and personal first-hand experiences.

    My first degree of social network, friends and family in India, personally know 30+ people who died in a compressed time period (last 45 days) from similar symptoms.

    Covid-19 is BOTH a dangerous bioweapon AND a psyop. That’s why it has been so confusing and dividing the truth seekers into various camps.

    Also very likely there are multiple variations of the bioweapon, with different levels of infectivity and fatality, which are released in different parts of the world at different times to achieve specific strategic objectives.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    @As I see it


    "Also very likely there are multiple variations of the bioweapon, with different levels of infectivity and fatality, which are released in different parts of the world at different times to achieve specific strategic objectives."
     
    They are also known as "variants". Certain nations and groups of people are clearly targets. Vaccine deaths are already being misclassified as covid deaths as the PCR cycles are constantly being tweeked to produce the desired narrative. If someone who has been vaccinated dies with a PCR "positive", who is it that decides if it was a vaccine death or covid death?

    It also seems to me that this entire Wuhan-Flu/Fort Detrich-Flu dialectic is just a form of limited hangout. Different variants likely originate from both labs, and it is all being wargamed in an ongoing event 201.

    The real smoking gun will be the precise method used to dispense the spiked proteins. Now that billions of people have been turned into spiked protien factories the water is likely so muddied that we will never know how the disease was deliberately spread.

    Replies: @As I see it, @bike-anarkist

    , @Refl
    @As I see it


    Excess death stats globally, and personal first-hand experiences.
     
    Well, are there the excess deaths? The last time I looked it up, the worldwide death toll was around three millions, which is extremely low after nearly a year and a half. Strangely, numbers started to rise lately, whereas in the case of a really dangerous infection, they would have to rise in the initial phase and then rise ever less. My impression is, that ever more countries and doctors have been brought in line to go along with the scam. Therefore, the rise in numbers started belatedly.

    As for personal experience: A friend told me lately, that a 23-year old in his family had died of Covid. As anyone can see in the statistics, very few young people are said to have died of it, and even less so in Europe. So, statistically, his report was unlikely.
    I rather think that in his family, a young person met an untimely death and someone spread the rumor. People are like that, sadly.

    Finally, taking the Spanish flu as a reference, that one is said to have killed 20 mio people worldwide over 2 years out of less then 2 billion World Population. That would mean with todays nearly 8 billion a mortality of ~80 million. If you manage to show those dead to me, I will freely admit that I got it wrong.
  • @Katrinka
    @VICB3

    I have always believed that the bug that was making people sick in China and Iran was far more deadly than the one we experienced in the U.S. Just my observation.

    Replies: @As I see it

    Yes, and the latest Indian variant as well.

    Spike protein to Ace2 binding is the transmission breakthrough which can be leveraged to transmit any combination of pathogen payloads, some combinations much more harmful than others.

    US and the western European variant was the most benign and was primarily designed for triggering socio-economic changes and experimental vaccine acceptance, not genocide.

    US empire’s enemies got the more malignant variants.

    Moderna warned today – “more dangerous variants coming”. So we may not have seen the last act of the greatest crime against humanity yet.

  • As every fan of the old Perry Mason show remembers, courtroom witnesses swear "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." There's a reason for that particular choice of words. A pattern of selective omissions in an otherwise entirely truthful presentation can easily mislead us as much as any outright lie....
  • @As I see it
    @James Forrestal

    "It’s not entirely clear to me why they’re allowing the lab leak theory to get so much more attention now." -

    The timing is likely driven by second Indian wave. Increasing Indian animosity towards China and keeping India out of China-led strategic initiatives such as Belt and Road have to be among the top objectives on deep state / neocon Covid-19 agenda.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    The timing is likely driven by second Indian wave. Increasing Indian animosity towards China and keeping India out of China-led strategic initiatives such as Belt and Road have to be among the top objectives on deep state / neocon Covid-19 agenda.

    Could be. The way they manage the Indian thing is kind of interesting. “Kabbala Haaretz” is mostly characterized by the “news” media as “Black” — but she’s half Tamil Brahmin, and maybe 1/4 West African [father is a mulatto]. And the desis know it, even if the average American doesn’t. There has to be a reason why someone whose campaign was such a pathetic failure* [3% support when she dropped out] was picked as VP, and the Indian connection may well be part of it. It’s well-known, of course, that pajeets living in the US vote overwhelmingly for “anti-r****t” [anti-White] Democrats, while simultaneously supporting Hindu supremacists (BJP/ Modi) back home.

    This is viewed as somewhat “problematic” under systemic semitism, as only one tribe is allowed to openly practice particularist morality to this extreme a degree (Zionism — yes! Hindutva… no). You can even find major semitic “news” outlets that are targeted toward international audiences whining about anti-White hatred in India — something they would never do when targeting an American audience.

    Kabbala, of course, is not a big BJP/ Modi supporter. The Biden administration has a very clear policy on that. Remember, “too much” ethnonationalism is a bad thing for all goyim, not just Whites.

    *See also Glow-in-the-Dark Petey

    • Agree: As I see it
  • Earlier by Ann Coulter: "I Will Not Be Scienced"—Experts Wrong, Covid Could Have Come From Wuhan Lab After All The sudden dramatic collapse of the elite-enforced Narrative that Covid-19 could not possibly have originated in a Chinese laboratory is one of the most extraordinary developments in modern political history [That Didn't Age Well: Wuhan Propaganda...
  • Perhaps it is not so obvious in myopic America, but one of the most amazing characteristics of this “pandemic” was the way in which the entire planetary media have all been singing from the same sheet of music. Whenever any state, or state media, deviates from the choreograph, they are slapped down with the sudden appearance of a new “strain”, “cluster” or some kind of economic or natural disaster.

    The vocabulary of the Pandemic is also indicative of its man made origin. With every turn, new weaponized vocabulary is basted across the planetary internets and MSM. Here are some of my favorites: “Long Hauler”, “Break Through Virus”, “Cluster”.

    In Europe one of the first victims of the pandemic was the hard fought for Schengen Accord. For some reason within the a space of a few weeks every country in Europe had closed their borders to private traffic and tourism. Now Europeans are told that if they want to be able to travel and vacation again that they will have to take the jab and get a bio-metric DNA passport.

    The synchronized planetary experimental mRNA vaccine push is also very suspicious, as is the way that all mention or marketing of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine were banned all across the west.

    Of course most crass of all was the blanket censorship of social media across the entire planet, and the pushing of blatantly fake narratives about all kinds of things like lockdowns, masking, asymptomatic transfer, etc.

    That many of the main propaganda agents have been caught lying and deceiving over and over, yet somehow have been shielded from any kind of scrutiny is another indicator that something very nefarious is at foot, not just within national borders, but internationally.

    It is inescapable but that the entire pandemic has been orchestrated and directed by some evil force. Any thinking sentient being must be asking themselves who could it possibly be that could wield this much power.

    Any semitically aware person connecting the dots and following the bread crumbs can only come to one conclusion: Covid is the jew-flu.

    • Thanks: St-Germain
    • Replies: @Rurik
    @Schuetze


    Of course most crass of all was the blanket censorship of social media across the entire planet, and the pushing of blatantly fake narratives about all kinds of things like lockdowns, masking, asymptomatic transfer, etc.

    That many of the main propaganda agents have been caught lying and deceiving over and over, yet somehow have been shielded from any kind of scrutiny is another indicator that something very nefarious is at foot, not just within national borders, but internationally.

    It is inescapable but that the entire pandemic has been orchestrated and directed by some evil force. Any thinking sentient being must be asking themselves who could it possibly be that could wield this much power.
     
    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/danish-resistance-movement/

    at just over three minutes in, the video makes clear whom it is they consider the deceivers.. with a biblical quote.

    But it sounds like they have even more hostility towards the treasonous ethnic Danish leadership, (pedophiles and collaborators).
    , @St-Germain
    @Schuetze

    And here from Berlin via Canada's Global Research is the latest Corona scam satire from the incomparable C.J. Hopkins. Spot on the mark, as usual:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greetings-new-normal-germany/5746231

    Replies: @Skeptikal

    , @FedUp
    @Schuetze

    @Schuetze, it's cool you used the (quite accurate) term "semitically correct." That said, no one on the outside can know with 100% certainty about world events, but it seems most people on this thread are missing a major point.

    Where did the classical Influenza virus go over the last couple years? This covid 19 is said to have emerged, and Influenza all but disappears?

    Either way, we see the problems with being ruled by pathological/compulsive liars. Reminds one of the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." They got us obsessing about & fiercely arguing over nonsense....total confusion. And it benefits them regardless.

    We're busy worrying about whether some quite harmless (in of itself, thus far) contagion came from a lab or whether it's actually just a rebranded Influenza instead of focusing on fixing this mess by fighting them.

    The endless talking is to stop Aryans from engaging in effective opposition.

  • @As I see it
    @Refl

    "why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop?"

    Excess death stats globally, and personal first-hand experiences.

    My first degree of social network, friends and family in India, personally know 30+ people who died in a compressed time period (last 45 days) from similar symptoms.

    Covid-19 is BOTH a dangerous bioweapon AND a psyop. That's why it has been so confusing and dividing the truth seekers into various camps.

    Also very likely there are multiple variations of the bioweapon, with different levels of infectivity and fatality, which are released in different parts of the world at different times to achieve specific strategic objectives.

    Replies: @Schuetze, @Refl

    “Also very likely there are multiple variations of the bioweapon, with different levels of infectivity and fatality, which are released in different parts of the world at different times to achieve specific strategic objectives.”

    They are also known as “variants”. Certain nations and groups of people are clearly targets. Vaccine deaths are already being misclassified as covid deaths as the PCR cycles are constantly being tweeked to produce the desired narrative. If someone who has been vaccinated dies with a PCR “positive”, who is it that decides if it was a vaccine death or covid death?

    It also seems to me that this entire Wuhan-Flu/Fort Detrich-Flu dialectic is just a form of limited hangout. Different variants likely originate from both labs, and it is all being wargamed in an ongoing event 201.

    The real smoking gun will be the precise method used to dispense the spiked proteins. Now that billions of people have been turned into spiked protien factories the water is likely so muddied that we will never know how the disease was deliberately spread.

    • Agree: As I see it
    • Thanks: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @As I see it
    @Schuetze

    Aerosolized sprays at hand-picked venues most likely.

    Starting with nursing homes, long-term care facilities in Western countries where the most benign bioweapon variant was sprayed which can damage only the old and immunocompromised.

    MSM propaganda on 'super spreader' events, 23 of Iran's parliamentarians being targeted right at the beginning, and then Indian variant conveniently lying dormant for a year and resurrecting precisely during Modi's election campaigns, all seem to indicate that specific venues and gatherings were targeted.

    Entire human-to-human transmission, especially asymptomatic transfer, was a charade to push masks, lockdown and experimental vaccines. That was the psyop part of the operation.

    Very clever and very evil.

    Replies: @Malla, @Schuetze

    , @bike-anarkist
    @Schuetze

    "The real smoking gun will be the precise method used to dispense the spiked proteins. Now that billions of people have been turned into spiked protien factories the water is likely so muddied that we will never know how the disease was deliberately spread."

    There is no precision in this.

    This psyop has achieved the final outcome of perpetual spoonfed media: a compliant, zelaously obedient critical mass, now well indoctrinated to FEAR Nature.

    The religious zeal to which the critical mass is willing to self-annhilate is evident in how many "caring parents" mask up their kids, claiming 'protecting' them!

    And, of course, FOLLOW THE MONEY...

    Replies: @Schuetze

  • @Schuetze
    @As I see it


    "Also very likely there are multiple variations of the bioweapon, with different levels of infectivity and fatality, which are released in different parts of the world at different times to achieve specific strategic objectives."
     
    They are also known as "variants". Certain nations and groups of people are clearly targets. Vaccine deaths are already being misclassified as covid deaths as the PCR cycles are constantly being tweeked to produce the desired narrative. If someone who has been vaccinated dies with a PCR "positive", who is it that decides if it was a vaccine death or covid death?

    It also seems to me that this entire Wuhan-Flu/Fort Detrich-Flu dialectic is just a form of limited hangout. Different variants likely originate from both labs, and it is all being wargamed in an ongoing event 201.

    The real smoking gun will be the precise method used to dispense the spiked proteins. Now that billions of people have been turned into spiked protien factories the water is likely so muddied that we will never know how the disease was deliberately spread.

    Replies: @As I see it, @bike-anarkist

    Aerosolized sprays at hand-picked venues most likely.

    Starting with nursing homes, long-term care facilities in Western countries where the most benign bioweapon variant was sprayed which can damage only the old and immunocompromised.

    MSM propaganda on ‘super spreader’ events, 23 of Iran’s parliamentarians being targeted right at the beginning, and then Indian variant conveniently lying dormant for a year and resurrecting precisely during Modi’s election campaigns, all seem to indicate that specific venues and gatherings were targeted.

    Entire human-to-human transmission, especially asymptomatic transfer, was a charade to push masks, lockdown and experimental vaccines. That was the psyop part of the operation.

    Very clever and very evil.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @As I see it

    There are conspiracy theories in India of either China or the Biden administration unleashing this new variant on India. Unlike the earlier Trump administration, the Biden administration is seen as an enemy by the Indian masses. China is always seen as an enemy trying to undermine India.
    I do not give these theories much weight because their main proponents as pro-Modi Hinduvadis, who I know are idiots.

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    , @Schuetze
    @As I see it

    In June of 2020 Trump gave his Rose Garden Speech about George Floyd and all the BLM and Antifa riots. Shortly afterwards almost the entire section seated on the right side, full of Republicans, and including Trump, came down with "covid-19". Trump went through an intense anti-biotic therapy and then one of his Jewish Buddies, who is CEO of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, convinced Trump to allow himself to be pumped up with all kinds of hormones and other things including stem cells from "humanized mice". No one ever stated officially if any adenochrome was involved.

    Thereafter Trump had a miraculous recovery, but was very ill at one point.

    There was speculation afterwards on the internets that micro drones as small as mosquitos could have been used to disperse the "virus" and/or the spiked proteins.

    A crazy dot-connecting "conspiracy theorist" like myself might even contend that this is evidence of a US "deep state" rogue operation.

    Replies: @As I see it

  • @Malla
    @As I see it

    There are conspiracy theories in India of either China or the Biden administration unleashing this new variant on India. Unlike the earlier Trump administration, the Biden administration is seen as an enemy by the Indian masses. China is always seen as an enemy trying to undermine India.
    I do not give these theories much weight because their main proponents as pro-Modi Hinduvadis, who I know are idiots.

    Replies: @As I see it

    Even idiots can be right sometimes.

    They might be right in thinking a dangerous variant was unleashed on India a couple of months ago, but they might be wrong to think that China had anything to do with it.

    More likely explanation is ZioUSA is preparing for a war against China.

    An important step in that preparation is antagonizing India against China by stepping up the lab-leak propaganda, and giving them US-manufactured vaccine at the right time. The narrative will be – “China virus killed Indians, but ZioUSA vaccines saved them” – ensuring India stays on the ZioUSA side in the ensuing war.

  • @Bert
    @Patrick McNally

    I agree that the CCP would not have intentionally leaked SARS-2 right on the doorstep of the Wuhan Institute of Virology as opposed to directly in the U.S., or as you offer, near the U.S.-Mexico border.

    I also think that the Unz hypothesis of a biowarfare attack by the U.S. is frankly ridiculous because the Deep State would have known that the economic damage here would be much greater than in China, given China's ability to take draconian measures.

    What is clear, as covered by Nicolas Wade, is that the Wuhan Institute was doing gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses supported by the so-called EcoHealth Alliance.

    https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/personnel/dr-peter-daszak

    The EcoHealth Alliance was the funding conduit between the Wuhan Institute and the NIH. Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci allowed this dangerous "work" to be done in China supported by the NIH. They clearly violated fiduciary duty to Americans and everyone else.

    Replies: @frontier, @Passerby60

    the Unz hypothesis of a biowarfare attack by the U.S. is frankly ridiculous because the Deep State would have known that the economic damage here would be much greater than in China

    Uh, what economic damage? To whom? The top 0.1% roughly doubled their wealth in the past year while their smaller competitors got crushed. Are you trying to tell me that the top 0.1% didn’t want that to happen? Really, REALLY?

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  • @Schuetze
    @As I see it

    In June of 2020 Trump gave his Rose Garden Speech about George Floyd and all the BLM and Antifa riots. Shortly afterwards almost the entire section seated on the right side, full of Republicans, and including Trump, came down with "covid-19". Trump went through an intense anti-biotic therapy and then one of his Jewish Buddies, who is CEO of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, convinced Trump to allow himself to be pumped up with all kinds of hormones and other things including stem cells from "humanized mice". No one ever stated officially if any adenochrome was involved.

    Thereafter Trump had a miraculous recovery, but was very ill at one point.

    There was speculation afterwards on the internets that micro drones as small as mosquitos could have been used to disperse the "virus" and/or the spiked proteins.

    A crazy dot-connecting "conspiracy theorist" like myself might even contend that this is evidence of a US "deep state" rogue operation.

    Replies: @As I see it

    Yes, the fly / drone that landed on Pence’s head during the vice-presidential debate could have been predictive programming. They are never shy of showing off, and probably have mastered more than one distribution method.

  • For more than a year now, I've been publishing a series of articles and columns discussing the origins of the global Covid-19 epidemic and strongly arguing that the outbreak represented an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). Here are links to the three major articles, with the last appearing a week ago: American Pravda:...
  • @Yee
    Skeptikal,

    "In light of your observation, why *did* Fauci divert money to Wuhan?"

    I have no idea how closely the American medical-sphere works with the war-sphere in the US, so I can't speculate. It could have been an honest attempt to find cure and vaccine.

    A man was shot in the street, with 200 people who owns a gun openly or secretly, all attention is being directed to the guy named Fauci who has a registered gun. And please ignore the fact that someone else who has guns of every variety and known to the world that has enmity towards the man shot... How would you solve the case if you were the detective?

    Well, since there wouldn't be a true investigation in any case, so the one owning the golden trumpets sets the narrative.

    Replies: @As I see it

    “I have no idea how closely the American medical-sphere works with the war-sphere in the US”

    — Department of “defense” invested in both EcoHealth Alliance, and Moderna. Whitney Webb has written about those ties. You can check her archive here at unz, or check this article as a starting point.

    https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/76139/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus.html

  • It's been decades since I last read George Orwell's 1984, but portions of that classic dystopian novel have become part of our common political culture. There's that famous scene in which an orator is giving a lengthy wartime speech at a political rally, praising the heroic ally of Eurasia and denouncing the arch-foe of Eastasia,...
  • @Ron Unz
    @gay troll


    You continue to invoke this canard that COVID infections double every three to five days. Tell me, is that what this graph shows?
     
    Covid infections double every 3-5 days absent strong public health measures.

    The reason those infection curves didn't go exponential is that the US and other Western countries implemented the most extreme public health measures in their entire history, involving lockdowns, social distancing, and masking. Can't you see how that made a difference?

    During summer 2019 at the supposed time of the Ft. Detrick leak, there were absolutely no special public health measures taken anywhere. If it had been Covid, a couple of hundred million Americans would have been infected before the end of the year, and all our hospitals would have been overflowing, just like NYC at the peak of the local outbreak.

    You're just making yourself look totally ridiculous, and I can't see why I should bother continuing this exchange.

    Replies: @gay troll, @As I see it, @Erebus

    Not if the strain released / leaked from Ft. Detrick was different from the one that was released / leaked in Wuhan, Iran and North Italy.

    2019 summer leak was a closed beta test of how infectious the weapon was. If that version were very benign, infections mostly asymptomatic, and since PCR testing had not yet started, health care providers wouldn’t really observe a new pandemic, but rather a cold / flu outbreak. Once the infectivity was proven in the field, they stepped up the toxicity in lab prior to releasing it against strategic enemies.

    I don’t see your and gay troll’s hypotheses as mutually exclusive. They can be merged.