Those educated Goyim who were not stupid and corrupted supported either the Social Revolutionaries, the Popular Socialists (a spin-off from the SEs) or the Mensheviks. The leadership of the Whites definitely was stupid and corrupt in all respects. Of course, there were many educated Goyim who recognized the need for a revolution, and quite a few of them supported the Bolsheviks. The only thing which one may plausibly argue is that Jews were overrepresented among the leaderships of every single Leftist faction in pre-1917 Russia, with the Bolsheviks having the lowest such Jewish representation. The Mensheviks had the highest proportion of Jews among the leadership, and the Social Revolutionaries somewhat higher than the Bolsheviks. But it was never the case that Jews made up anywhere close to a majority among any of these parties.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Ron, if you want to see some really fascinating debates, try inviting Holocaust Controversies bloggers - they're the best candidate for a revisionist debate. I'm not sure if they will agree. On the other side it would be nice to have Thomas Dalton. Or Germar Rudolf, but he is unlikely to agree. It seems to me that John alone may not be enough to balance the forces.

If this can be arranged, it will be very interesting. But you need a plan, a suitable format, and so on.

Replies: @Ron Unz, @Andrew Mathis

This link was presented to me by a Mr. I. White on an Amazon discussion thread back around 2015. I will copy and paste what I wrote to Mr. White at the time.

"You cite the following link as evidence of German genocide against Jews: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html. This link is titled “Holocaust Controversies: What Part of the Word Genocide Do You Not Understand?” My comments to this link are:

1. By my count, this link lists an impressive 393 citations of evidence of a German program of genocide against European Jewry. The question is: Doesn’t this constitute overwhelming evidence of a German program of genocide against European Jewry?

2. My answer is No. To begin with, by my count 27 of these citations are works by Carlo Mattogno. As you probably know, Mr. Mattogno is a leading Holocaust revisionist. All of his books explicitly say that there was no German program of genocide of European Jews during World War II. However, this link uses Mattogno work to attempt to prove a German program of genocide against Jews.

3. This link even includes the second edition of “The Rudolf Report” to help support their claims. Germar Rudolf has always said there was no German program of genocide against the Jews.

4. By my count this link cites Jean-Claude Pressac, a French pharmacist, 22 times. Pressac wrote a book published by the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation entitled Auschwitz: Techniques and Operation of the Gas Chambers. Pressac’s book actually strengthens the Revisionist view of the Holocaust story. Both explicitly and implicitly, Pressac discredits countless Holocaust claims and testimonies. Pressac writes on page 264 of this book: “This study already demonstrates the complete bankruptcy of the traditional [Holocaust] history…, a history based for the most part on testimonies, assembled according to the need of the moment, truncated to fit an arbitrary truth and sprinkled with a few German documents of uneven value and without any connection to one another.”

Pressac’s book, printed on 564 oversize pages, includes hundreds of good-quality reproductions of original German architectural plans and diagrams, photographs taken both during and after the war, and many documents with translations. Remarkably, in the entire book, Pressac fails to mention anything about the techniques and operation of the German gas chambers. The title of his book is totally false. Revisionists say that since no homicidal gas chambers ever existed in the German concentration camps, Pressac did not write about the techniques and operation of the gas chambers because there was nothing to write about. Instead, Pressac discusses what he calls “criminal traces” of items that might have been part of a homicidal gas chamber.

5. This link cites the following aerial photographs as evidence of a program of German genocide: U.S. Air Force photograph of 31 May 1944, U.S. Air Force photograph of 26 June 1944, German Luftwaffe photograph of 8 July 1944, British RAF photographs of 20 and 23 August 1944, U.S. Air Force photograph of 25 August 1944, and the U.S. Air Force photograph of 13 September 1944. None of these photographs show a program of German genocide against European Jewry. Carlo Mottogno states in his book Auschwitz: The End of a Legend on page 32 concerning the photograph taken at Birkenau on May 31, 1944:

“It is pointed out also that the aerial photographs taken by the Allied military on 31 May 1944, at the crucial time of presumed extermination, on the day of the arrival at Birkenau of about 15,000 deportees, and after 14 days of intense arrivals (184,000 deportees, averaging 13,000 per day) and with an extermination toll (according to Pressac’s hypothesis) of at least 110,000 homicidally gassed, which would have had to average 7,800 per day, every single day for 14 consecutive days; after all of that, the photographs do not show the slightest evidence of this alleged enormous extermination: No trace of smoke, no trace of pits, crematory or otherwise, burning or not, no sign of dirt extracted from pits, no trace of wood set aside for use in pits, no sign of vehicles or any other type of activity in the crucial zones of the courtyard of Crematory V nor in the earth of Bunker 2, nor in Crematories II and III. These photographs constitute irrefutable proof that the story of extermination of the Hungarian Jews is historically unfounded.”

6. Rudolf Höss, the key prosecution witness at the International Military Tribunal (IMT), is cited as evidence of a German program of genocide in this link. In 1983, the anti-Nazi book Legions of Death by Rupert Butler showed that Sgt. Bernard Clarke and other British officers tortured Rudolf Höss into making his confession. The torture of Höss was exceptionally brutal. Neither Bernard Clarke nor Rupert Butler finds anything wrong or immoral in the torture of Höss. Neither of them seems to understand the importance of their revelations. Bernard Clarke and Rupert Butler prove that Höss’s testimony was obtained by torture, and is therefore not credible evidence in proving a program of German genocide against European Jewry.

The fact that Rudolf Höss may not have been tortured at the IMT does not make his evidence at the IMT credible. Once Höss had been brutally tortured, Western European and American courts would never accept his later testimony as credible evidence of a German program of genocide. Instead, they would prosecute the criminal acts of Sgt. Bernard Clarke and the other British officers who tortured Höss. Höss’s testimony would be dismissed by the courts.

7. Joseph Kramer and Dr. Fritz Klein are cited by this link to prove a German program of genocide. According to pages 80-81 of the book “Victor’s Justice” by Montgomery Belgion, Josef Kramer and other defendants in the British-run “Belsen” trial were tortured so brutally that they often begged to be put to death.

8. Richard Baer, the last commandant of Auschwitz, is cited in this link as giving evidence of a German program of genocide. Baer adamantly refused to confirm the existence of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Baer died in June 1963 under mysterious circumstances while being held in pre-trial custody. An autopsy performed on Baer at the Frankfurt-am-Main University School of Medicine stated that the ingestion of an odorless, non-corrosive poison could not be ruled out as the cause of his death. The Auschwitz Trial in Frankfurt, Germany began almost immediately after Baer’s death. With Baer’s death the prosecutors at the Auschwitz Trial were able to attain their primary objective—to reinforce the gas chamber myth and establish it as an unassailable historical fact.

9. This link cites four on-site chemical and physical investigations into the alleged mass gassings and genocide at the various German camps. Of course, the links totally dismiss all of the many revisionist scientific studies refuting the alleged genocide of European Jewry. We are supposed to believe that Dr. Richard Green’s report takes care of everything.

10. This link fails to mention the eyewitness testimony stating that there was no German policy of genocide against European Jewry. For example, after publishing his booklet The Auschwitz Lie, Thies Christophersen received thousands of letters and calls. Christophersen wrote in regard to these letters and calls:

“Many of those who contacted me can confirm my statements, but are afraid to do so publicly. Some of those are SS men who were brutally mistreated and even tortured in Allied captivity. I also immediately contacted those who claimed to know more about mass gassings. My experiences were precisely the same as those of French professor Paul Rassinier. I have not found any eyewitnesses. Instead, people would tell me that they knew someone who knew someone else, who talked about it. In most cases the alleged eyewitnesses had died. Other supposed eyewitnesses would quickly begin to stammer and stutter when I asked a few precise questions. Even Simon Wiesenthal had to finally admit before a Frankfurt district court that he was actually never in Auschwitz. All of the reports I have heard about are contradictory. Everyone seemed to tell a different story about the gas chambers. They couldn’t even agree about where they were supposed to have been located. This is also true of the so-called scholarly literature, which is full of contradictions.…”

11. Also, much of the eyewitness testimony cited in this link is related to the IMT and later trials. This link fails to mention the ridiculous nature of much of the testimony at the IMT and later trials. Some of the Holocaust evidentiary material presented at these trials includes:

- 1 steam chamber (IMT XXXII 153-158, III 567);
- 1 electrical chamber (IMT VII 576-577, XII 369);
- 1 German atomic bomb (for instant cremation work at Auschwitz) (IMT XVI 529);
- 1 tree (used as murder weapon) (IMT VII 582);
- 1 portable oven (IMT VII 586);
- 1 pedal-driven brain bashing machine (IMT VII 376-377);
- 1 bone-grinding machine (IMT VII 439, 549-550, 446, 593);
- 1 spanking machine (IMT VI 213);
- 1 lampshade of human skin (IMT XXXII 258, 259, 261, 263, 265, 269);
- 1 pocket book and 1 pair of driving gloves, all of human skin (IMT XXX 352, 355);
- 1 pornographic picture painted on canvas of human skin (IMT XXX 469);
- 1 book bound in human skin (IMT VI 331);
- 1 saddle, 1 pair of riding breeches, 1 glove, 1 house slipper, 1 ladies' handbag, all of human skin (IMT V 171);
- 1 torture box (disguised as an ordinary wardrobe) (IMT XVI 561, 546, 556-557);
- 1 chair stuffed with human hair (IMT XIX 506);
- 1 mattress stuffed with human hair (IMT I, 252)
- 1 pair of human hair socks (IMT XXXIX 552-553, XX 353
- 1 jar of human soap (IMT VII 597-601);
- 1 piece of tanned human skin (IMT VII 600);
- 1 gas van (IMT VII 571);
- 1 door mat made of human hair (NMT V 1119-1152, Trial of Oswald Pohl).

I could write more. I think this link should be titled Holocaust Controversies: What Part of One-Sided Bias Do You Not Understand?”

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

When I talk about the missing million, I mean those Jews who, according to the revisionist version, were transited through the (supposed) extermination camps. Unfortunately, the revisionists cannot trace where they have gone. Some (but not all) known attempts come down to the theory that these people were somehow hidden by the USSR. This seems extremely unlikely to me (I'm Russian, if that matters).

You can read about it in the link I already gave (please do not criticize my description, but what is given in the link): https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html

I think this is a very good argument against the revisionist point of view. I would like the revisionists to trace the fate of at least a third of these people. Not necessarily all with first and last names.

NOTORIOUS LIARS that conjured up the Holohoax fable in the first place

 

Replies: @HdC, @Andrew Mathis

We all have different standards of evidence) Some will need 4 people, some - 15.000, and I need more)

It's strange that your posts were deleted. In this thread, another person complained that Steve Sailer didn't allow his comments. As far as I understand, they were revisionist or anti-Zionist (considering that this commentator accused Steve of being Zionist).

I think you can revive the debate here. Above, I suggested inviting one of your colleagues and having a debate at a higher level.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Cart before the horse.

You are the accuser, you provide the authenticated forensic evidence to support your allegations.

That's how it works in a North American Court.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "I would like revisionists to trace even 1% of the Jews sent to the Reinhard camps. That’s about 15,000. Piece of cake, right?"

My response: I would like supporters of the "Holocaust" to show the remains of even 1% of the Jews who supposedly died in the Reinhard camps. That’s about 15,000. Piece of cake, right?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

> Let’s see, during this conference it was disclosed that 4.5 million Jews lived in the German sphere of influence.

Where do you get that from? The Wannsee Conference gives an estimate of 11 million:

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Approximately eleven million Jews will be involved in the Final Solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries...
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-- Mark Roseman, The Villa, The Lake, The Meeting: Wannsee and the Final Solution, p. 111.

It's true that some numbers are included in the list which are not properly part of the German-occupied territories. 700,000 Jews are attributed to unoccupied Vichy France; 18,000 to Switzerland; 3000 to Portugal; 55,500 to Turkey; 6000 to Spain; 4000 to Ireland; 330,000 to England; 2300 to Finland. Also, when 5 million are attributed to the USSR, it is not apparent that all of these are in German-occupied territory (though some who weren't probably ended up in such eventually). But your alleged 4.5 million number doesn't stand out anywhere.

Replies: @Colin Wright, @Andrew Mathis, @Anonymous

You write: "Lol. Höß was a defense witness at Nuremberg, specifically called in the case against Ernst Kaltenbrunner."

My response: I know this. Ernst Kaltenbrunner’s defense lawyer, Dr. Kurt Kauffmann, asked Höss a series of questions designed to prove that Kaltenbrunner had never visited Auschwitz. Höss affirmed that Kaltenbrunner had never visited Auschwitz, and that Kaltenbrunner didn’t order the execution of Jews at this camp. (Source: Harding, Thomas, Hanns and Rudolf: The True Story of the German Jew Who Tracked Down and Caught the Kommandant of Auschwitz, New York: Simon & Schuster, 2013, p. 257).

So, Kaltenbrunner’s defense lawyer had called Höss to the witness stand at the IMT to prove that Kaltenbrunner had never visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, and that he did not participate in the extermination of any Jews at Auschwitz.

However, Kaltenbrunner's defense counsel was not aware of the Höss's "confessions" obtained under torture, sleep deprivation, and threats against Höss's family.

U.S. prosecutor Col. John Amen next started reading from an affidavit Höss had signed in front of Whitney Harris on April 5, 1946. Höss’s testimony at the IMT was probably the most important and striking evidence presented there of a German extermination program. Höss in his testimony said that more than two and a half million people were exterminated in the Auschwitz gas chambers, and that another 500,000 inmates had died there of other causes. (Source: Taylor, Telford, The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials: A Personal Memoir, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1992, p. 363).

No defender of the Holocaust story today accepts these inflated figures, and other key portions of Höss’s testimony at the IMT are widely acknowledged to be untrue.

Höss’s testimony, however, was reported around the world. A New York Times article described it as the “crushing climax to the case.” The Times in Britain said of Höss’s signed testimony: “Its dreadful implications must surpass any document ever penned.” (Source: Harding, Thomas, Hanns and Rudolf: The True Story of the German Jew Who Tracked Down and Caught the Kommandant of Auschwitz, New York: Simon & Schuster, 2013, pp. 259-260).

So, Höss was regarded as the star prosecution witness at the IMT, and his testimony has become the framework for the official Holocaust story. (Source: Butz, Arthur R., The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, Newport Beach, CA: Institute for Historical Review, ninth printing, 1992, p. 101).

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

My response: Actually, I will analyze why Andrzej Kola's work indicates that Belzec was a transit camp. I will again reference the 4th edition of Germar Rudolf's book "Lectures on the Holocaust". Rudolf writes on pages 284-286 of this book:

"The first investigations were undertaken in October 1945, and then again in 1997 and 1999, whereby the latter were far more thorough: Core samples were drilled out of the soil at intervals of five meters covering the whole camp site, which altogether resulted in 2,227 samples (Kola 2000a; cf. O’Neil 1999). Of these samples, 236 revealed a disturbance of the earth layer in 33 different, highly irregular shapes. And of these, 137 were “relevant” enough to have their data published. However, only six of these contained human remains – a mere 3% of all samples with a disturbed earth layer, or only 0.3% of all samples taken. The largest corpse layer found was only 75 cm thick (2.5 ft). What one generally found was a scattering of thinly layered ashes mixed with lots of sand and earth.

Rudolf admits that humans died at Belzec. He writes: "But this does not clarify to what extent this happened, nor what caused the deaths. For that we have to analyze the results more closely. The drillings determined that approximately 21,000 m3 of soil had been disturbed. According to the official version, 600,000 corpses would have had to fit into this area, because in Belzec the burning of corpses is said to have begun after the murder phase had allegedly ended...Only occasionally did they find ash mixed with soil."

When asked why there are so many pits in Belzec if they were not used, Rudolf responded: "The Polish researcher Andrzej Kola wrote (Kola 2000a, p. 65): “Additional disturbances in archeological structures were made by intensive dig-ups directly after the war while local people were searching for jewelry. The facts make it difficult for the archeologists to define precisely the ranges of burial pits.”

Rudolf states:"On April 11, 1946, the public prosecutor of Zamosc had already explained what some witnesses confirmed (Mattogno 2004a, p. 89): “At the moment, the camp site has been completely dug up by the local population in their search for valuables. This has brought to the surface ash from the corpses and from wood, charred bones as well as bones that were only partially charred.”

Rudolf continues: "In other words: the pits found through the sample drillings are not only mass graves, but to a large extent the remnants of wildcat excavations made by treasure hunters after the war. This also explains why the pits found are completely irregular both concerning their sizes, shapes, and orientations as well as their contents and the position, arrangement, and composition of the earth layers in them. If one considers that at least 90% of the material of the sample cores exhibited neither human remnants nor ash, then the maximum number of the corpses that could have been buried in these pits – 126,000 – is at least to be reduced by a factor of 10, because the number 126,000 is based on the premise that the corpses were packed as tightly as possible in all of these pits."

Rudolf states that the number of people dying in Belzec were "only in the thousands, whereby I would rather talk of “mass dying” instead of “mass murder,” because the most frequent causes of death at Belzec were probably diseases, exhaustion, etc. The results of these forensic investigations have consequences beyond the mere reduction of the victim number. Due to the already-mentioned Höfle radio message, we know that by the end of 1942 exactly 434,500 Jews had been deported to Belzec... If, however, not more than 126,000 could have been buried at Belzec – but probably much less than that – what happened with the majority of these deported Jews, who were not buried at Belzec? They were obviously not killed there."

Rudolf concludes that this: "confirms the revisionist thesis that Belzec was a transit camp. By the way, during the sample drillings a search for the remains of the gas chambers was also made. However, there were no traces of buildings resembling what witnesses reported. What was found instead were the ruins of a multiple-car garage."

Rudolf was asked if after the graves were located through the drillings, did anyone actually exhume the mass graves and examine their contents. Rudolf writes: "Surprisingly, no...It appears that once the gigantic mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of victims or their remains were not located, there was little interest in doing anything else. Anyway, in 2004 a monument was built at Belzec which buried a large part of the camp under concrete (Berkofsky 2004), which basically means that from now on there is not to be any more research done here, something that would disturb the dead, but now it is time to grieve, pray, and sob."

I hope this helps. The link to the 4th edition of Rudolf's book "Lectures on the Holocaust" is at
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

"stupidest gambit "
"some dumb excuse"

May one ask- why the resort to polemics instead of calmly presenting your case in a civilised manner (as the one you criticise-John- does)?

And thus if one also may ask would you agree that the most important thing in research is the researcher and his/her not being emotionally attached/strongly opinionated about the outcome and -if so- would you say you are?

Regarding Belzec, massgraves and Kola`s research:

The (as you know and have read I presume?) most voluminous work regarding those 3 on the revisionist side has been done and published by Carlo Mattogno, the title of his book is "Belzec" (number 9 of the Holocaust Handbooks series), in detail examining the specifics of Kola`s research data. Freely readable here:

https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=9

Here the online site "Holocaust controversies" and their criticism from the orthodoxy perspective:

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/p/belzec.html

Here Mattogno/Graf and Kues answer/book regarding that criticism, titled:

The“Extermination Camps”of “Aktion Reinhardt”
An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers:

https://archive.org/stream/ExterminationCampsAktionReinhardtLong/Extermination_Camps%20Aktion%20Reinhardt_Long_djvu.txt

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write to HdC: "Your second mistake is that the crimes of the AR camps were adjudicated in multiple trials, notably the trial concerning Treblinka, which took place in Düsseldorf in the 1960s."

My response: I think your mistake is to assume that the Allied postwar trials were fair and just legal proceedings. Let's look at what some legal scholars said about the Nuremberg trials:

1) Iowa Supreme Court Justice Charles F. Wennerstrum, who served as the presiding judge in the Nuremberg trial of German generals, resigned his appointment in disgust at the proceedings. He criticized the one-sided handling of evidence in the trials. Wennerstrum said that selection of the evidence in the trials was made by the prosecution from the large tonnage of captured German records. Wennerstrum stated: “If I had known seven months ago what I know today, I would never have come here…The high ideals announced as the motives for creating these tribunals have not been evident.” (Source: Foust, Hal, “Nazi Trial Judge Rips Injustice,” Chicago Tribune, Feb. 23, 1948, pp. 1-2).

Justice Wennerstrum also said that Jews dominated the staff of the Nuremberg Courts and were more interested in revenge than justice. He stated: “The entire atmosphere is unwholesome…Lawyers, clerks, interpreters, and researchers were employed who became Americans only in recent years, whose backgrounds were embedded in Europe’s hatreds and prejudices.” (Source: Ibid.). Wennerstrum left the Nuremberg trials “with a feeling that justice has been denied.”

2) U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone said of Justice Robert Jackson, who left the U.S. Supreme Court to lead the IMT tribunal: “Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg. I don’t mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to the common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas.” Stone wondered on another occasion “whether, under this new [Nuremberg] doctrine of international law, if we had been defeated, the victors could plausibly assert that our supplying Britain with fifty destroyers was an act of aggression….” (Source: Mason, Alpheus T., Harlan Fiske Stone: Pillar of the Law, New York: Viking, 1956, p. 716).

3) Milton R. Konvitz, a Jewish specialist of law and public administration who taught at New York University, warned at the time that the Nuremberg Tribunal "defies many of the most basic assumptions of the judicial process." He went on: "Our policy with respect to the Nazis is consistent with neither international law nor our own State Department's policy... The Nuremberg trial constitutes a real threat to the basic conceptions of justice which it has taken mankind thousands of years to establish." (Source: M. R. Konvitz, "Will Nuremberg Serve Justice?," Commentary, January 1946 (Vol. I, No. 3), p. 11).

4) In the years since, distinguished figures in both the United States and other countries have expressed similar views. U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas wrote: "I thought at the time and still think that the Nuremberg trials were unprincipled. Law was created ex post facto to suit the passion and clamor of the time." (Source: H. K. Thompson and H. Strutz, eds., Dönitz at Nuremberg: A Reappraisal (IHR, 1983), p. 196).

I could go on and on. The Allied postwar trials against Germans were consistently unfair and unjust. They typically proved nothing.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

"I would like revisionists to trace even 1% of the Jews sent to the Reinhard camps. That’s about 15,000. Piece of cake, right? "

-Ok, fair enough as long as this is applied in fair equal and not double standard to all sides:

-I would like the orthodoxist to trace even 1% of the 1 million German POW (DEF)`s sent to (and then tracelessly vanished in) the Rhein-meadows, french and russian camps post war and the 2-6 millions Germans from the Eastern German Provinces dissappeared after their 1946 expulsion/death march (https://www.konrad-adenauer.de/seite/23-maerz-1949/) to the west.
That`s about 40 000. Piece of cake, right?

And if following your own reason- if you cannot do that/prove that they were NOT (gas-?)genocided by the Allies, Occams razor states they WERE and you are an Allied Genocide Program denier, ok?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

I’m not sure what you mean here:
“ Your first mistake is thinking history works like a courtroom.”

History is replete with strange happenings, mysteries, some explained, some beyond explanation, ruins to be explored/examined, manuscripts to be interpreted, etc. We can speculate to our heart’s content, for the most part.

A courtroom is indeed unlike history/real life; you can’t just waltz in and say, “It’s true because I say it’s true; or, someone else says it’s true; or, look at the poor child in the red dress, how can you deny her suffering?” In court, gentile/western court, rules of due process and evidence must be adhered to in order to determine the truth. Although some aspects of a history will always be speculative, there are also definitive proofs available.

If you don’t care what he/we think, why are you commenting here? Why bother?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Mark Bahner

You write: "You guys need to understand this is Waterloo for your argument."

My response: I wrote an article on this subject, which you can read at https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/15/1/8206. I also recommend you read my article
at https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/12/2/7291.

You write: "If you can’t even track 1% of the Jews sent to the AR camps and there are dead bodies in the ground at the sites, it’s kinda clear what happened."

My response: Less than 5% of the people who went to the AR camps are in the ground at the AR camps. This is Waterloo for your argument. The other over 95% of the people who went to the AR camps survived and went somewhere else. The AR camps were all transit camps.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

> I find it inconceivable that the Holocaust happened but then nothing was written about it for a decade and a half.

While I have no stake in the gas chambers stories, I should point that you are mistaken in speaking of 15 years. In the record of "Holocaust historiography" the first noteworthy, published study appeared in 1953. The author was Gerlad Reitlinger, and the title was The Final Solution. While there's no obligation to accept Reitlinger's conclusions, you can't honestly say that nothing was written for a decade and a half. There's actually a reasonable schedule of timing going from the postwar trials in 1945-6, to Reitlinger in 1953, and then Hilberg in 1961.

Replies: @Chebyshev, @Andrew Mathis

You write: "Here’s what Kola found at Belzec: There are more than 21,000 cubic meters of mass graves at Belzec. That’s almost 10 Olympic size swimming pools filled with human remains."

My response: I have some questions about Andrzej Kola's report.

1) Did Kola or anyone else actually exhume the mass graves at Belzec and examine their contents?

2) Were all of these almost 10 Olympic size swimming pools of mass graves filled with human remains?

3 ) Did Kola publish a formal report on his finding that I can read? If so, please let me know where I can read it.

4) Do you agree with Germar Rudolf that the pits Kola found through the sample drillings are not only mass graves, but to a large extent the remnants of wildcat excavations made by treasure hunters after the war?

4) Germar Rudolf writes that a monument was built at Belzec which buried a large part of the camp under concrete. Do you agree with Rudolf that this means that from now on there can not be any more research done at Belzec?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Here's part 1, in case anyone is interested:
'Holocaust Revisionism and Controversial Hate Blogs'
http://www.deathcamps.org/editorial2013.html

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Brás Cubas

My father lives in Japan. I'm in Florida.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "Could it be that in National Socialism we find the answers to oligarchy, banksterism and jew-led cultural subversion?"

My response: I am glad you are reading my book. However, in my opinion, National Socialism under Hitler had some serious flaws.

My number one objection to National Socialism under Hitler was its euthanasia program. In my opinion, it is immoral and inhumane for any nation to murder its mentally-ill citizens. Yet, that is exactly what Germany did during World War II. I strongly condemn Hitler's euthanasia program, and write about it in Chapter Ten of my book.

I also object to the illegal medical experimentation conducted by Germany in many of its camps during World War II. I write about this at the beginning of Chapter Nine of my book.

My third objection to National Socialism under Hitler is that it controlled and suppressed free speech. For example, I think it was ridiculous for Hitler to keep someone like Martin Niemoller in concentration camps for almost eight years.

However, National Socialism under Hitler had its strong points. The economy flourished before the war, and the living conditions of the people improved dramatically. National Socialism under Hitler was certainly no worse than the United States government under Franklin Roosevelt or the British government under Winston Churchill.

You write: "To be honest, I’m finding it rather heart-breaking."

My response: The crimes committed against the Germans were indeed heartbreaking. The mass starvation of German POWs and the intentional starvation of millions of German residents after the war were enormous crimes that are still denied by most mainstream historians. These Allied crimes need to be reported and acknowledged by historians and our mass media.

James Bacque ended his outstanding book "Other Losses" with an appeal for open-mindedness and understanding. Bacque wrote: “Surely it is time for the guesswork and the lying to stop. Surely it is time to take seriously what the eye-witnesses on both sides are trying to tell us about our history. All over the Western world, savage atrocities against the Armenians, the Ukrainians and the Jews are known. Only the atrocities against the Germans are denied. Are Germans not people in our eyes?” (Source: Bacque, James, Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans after World War II, 3rd edition, Vancouver: Talonbooks, 2011, p. 196).

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @kb_2

You ask: "I guess my follow up questions would be two:

(1) If the Nazis would kill their own citizens, why wouldn’t they kill Jews, whom they had spent the eight previous years demonizing and disenfranchising?

(2) Don’t you find it odd that much of the T4 staff ended up working in Aktion Reinhard?"

My response: I wrote an article about the evidence for the euthanasia program versus the so-called Holocaust. You can read my article on this subject at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4885.

In regard to the fact that much of the T4 staff ended up working in the Aktion Reinhard (AR) camps, Germar Rudolf has written about this on pages 304-306 of the 2010 edition of the book "Treblinka: Transit Camp or Extermination Camp?" The link to this book is at https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf.

Feel free to get back to me if you have any questions or comments.

Since you brought up the subject of the AR camps, I have a question for you. It is universally acknowledged that none of the AR camps had crematoria. All of the dead bodies were allegedly burned in open air. If the AR camps were actually extermination camps as is alleged in the official Holocaust story, the matter of the missing crematoria is extremely problematic because cremating so many corpses would have been tremendously difficult.

Had Treblinka, for example, been a “pure extermination camp,” then it would have been the sheerest insanity not to construct crematoria. All large concentration camps – Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Flossenbürg, Neuengamme, Groß-Rosen, Niederhagen, Ravensbrück – were equipped with stationary or mobile crematorium furnaces. Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau, which supposedly functioned simultaneously as concentration and extermination camps, possessed several crematoria: the former camp had two of them with seven muffles altogether, the latter, five crematoria with a total of 52 muffles (although not all functioning in the same time period). Why did Himmler not provide for the building of even a single furnace for an alleged pure extermination AR camp? (Source: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf, p. 143).

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That said, your argument from incredulity doesn’t count for much. You presumably have access to a library and can do the newspaper search I just did, which identified hundreds of newspaper articles.

I could post them here but you won’t read them, and if you did, you still wouldn’t change your mind, so what would the point be?
 

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But you've just said it, I think. Anyway, have any of the parties involved considered suing? If not, why not?

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Regarding the Holocaust/jewish question dilemma, I find that any person, who in any way, makes a concession or criticism of Hitler/National Socialism policies, should prepare to have said criticism thrown back in their face and used against them in further arguments. In my opinion, this is partly why progress or reconciliation seems unattainable.

I don’t know anyone who says or implies that nothing Hitler did had unfortunate/unintended/tragic results. But, removing destructive forces in a society is no easy undertaking. That Hitler preferred a peaceful or voluntary solution is obvious. How many peace offers and concessions did he make/offer before the war? Why are these peace offers generally omitted from the WW2 narrative?

After all was said and done, who benefited the most after the war? America’s infrastructure remained intact, so globally, Americans then had advantages, but we lost nearly half a million (mostly) young men. Jewish immigration to America was increased; I won’t comment on the benefits of more Jewish activists in America. All of Europe was devastated; England lost its empire, and relinquished Palestine.

What of plucky, lucky little Israel? The return was complete, which officially started with the Balfour Declaration, and as far as I know, prior to the advent of the second war, Jews were permitted to leave Germany, with a portion of their funds/assets, and donations of materials/supplies/equipment in kind for the balance. Jews returned to Germany, in rather large numbers, after the war, and reparation payments continue to this day. Yes? The US subsidizes Israel, every year, to the tune of millions of dollars. Every few years, I hear of Jewish groups suing Switzerland, Poland, whomever, trying to extract every last cent possible in “stolen” money.

Regarding reparations, were the USS Liberty survivors compensated? Jonathan Pollard, convicted spy, said the US deserved to be betrayed for not coming to the aid of European Jews quickly enough; he’s living large in Israel these days, as he’s considered a hero. I heard his wife say, on camera, that Pollard should be excused due to trauma over the Holocaust. Overall, I would say Israel won the wars and was the ultimate beneficiary.

So, back off, why don’t you.

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But what I’m focusing upon is the other side of the picture, namely the early history of “Orthodox Holocaust” coverage in the media. There surely must have been some, because growing up in the 1960s and early 1970s I know I’d vaguely been aware of the “Nazi Holocaust.”
 

Is there any way of estimating how many letters were sent by evacuated Jews in the Soviet Union to friends or family members in other countries in the 40s, 50s, and 60s? I'd assume there's no way to know - it's not like any time someone in America received a letter from a Jewish person living in the USSR this would've been announced in the media. Of course, this is all assuming it was even possible for those dislocated Jews to have sent anything abroad when they were living inside the USSR, and when they were in many cases living out in Siberia.

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Debate me outside your forum. Otherwise, you can keep your bait.
 

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You write: "And I think that this his point:

(4) There are ZERO eyewitnesses attesting to the AR camps being transit camps.
(5) There are multiple eyewitnesses over 50 years and five continents attesting to them being extermination centers.

is very convincing. I never thought about the latter (5), and even more so in conjunction."

My response: This is a legitimate issue. Since you are open-minded and a sincere seeker of truth, I will respond with two lengthy comments.

If 1.5 million Jews died in the AR camps, you would have massive amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones in these camps. Since these do not exist, we know that the AR camps were not pure extermination camps.

It is universally acknowledged that none of the AR camps had crematoria. All of the dead bodies were allegedly burned in open air. If the AR camps were actually extermination camps as is alleged in the official Holocaust story, the matter of the missing crematoria is extremely problematic because cremating so many corpses would have been tremendously difficult.

Had Treblinka, for example, been a “pure extermination camp,” then it would have been the sheerest insanity not to construct crematoria. All large concentration camps – Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Flossenbürg, Neuengamme, Groß-Rosen, Niederhagen, Ravensbrück – were equipped with stationary or mobile crematorium furnaces. Lublin/Majdanek and Auschwitz/Birkenau, which supposedly functioned simultaneously as concentration and extermination camps, possessed several crematoria: the former camp had two of them with seven muffles altogether, the latter, five crematoria with a total of 52 muffles (although not all functioning in the same time period). Why did Himmler not provide for the building of even a single furnace for an alleged pure extermination AR camp? (Source: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf, p. 143).

Based on several cremation experiments, Carlo Mattogno determines that 160 kg of wood are needed to cremate a human body weighing 45 kg. He calculates that the burning of 870,000 bodies at Treblinka would have left 1,950 tons of human ashes, plus 11,100 tons of wood ashes. The total volume of ashes would have amounted to approximately 48,000 cubic meters. Since human teeth and bones cannot be completely destroyed through open air cremations, myriads of teeth and bone fragments would also have been scattered at the site of the former camp. (Source: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf, p. 145).

Even if Mattogno’s calculations are significantly inflated, the mass extermination of approximately 870,000 people at Treblinka would have left substantial amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones. The fact that large quantities of these have not been found at Treblinka does not support the belief that Treblinka was a camp where mass exterminations took place.

Although enormous amounts of fuel would have been needed to cremate the hundreds of thousands of alleged corpses, there is no documentary record or witness recollection of the great quantities of firewood that would have been required. According to Polish-Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because “the bodies of women,” which had more fat, “were used to kindle, or more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses.” Even more incredible, “blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material,” she wrote. (Source: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_Allen.html#notes123).

Of the camps where carbon monoxide was supposedly used to kill inmates, the vast majority of victims are said to have been killed in the Aktion Reinhardt camps. Carbon monoxide was supposedly generated by Diesel engines to kill the victims. However, the Diesel engine is an inherently inadequate choice as a source of carbon monoxide. The logical choice as a source of carbon monoxide would have been the gasoline engine. Any common, ordinary gasoline engine would easily have given the Germans 10 times more carbon monoxide production than any similarly sized Diesel engine. (Source: http://balder.org/judea/pdf/Dissecting-The-Holocaust-Germar-Rudolf.pdf, pp. 445, 459).

Friedrich Paul Berg stated: “The hoax becomes even more obvious when one discovers that far better sources of carbon monoxide, better even than gasoline engines, were readily available to the Germans – and required neither Diesel fuel nor gasoline…Even if some deranged minds had tried for a time to commit murder with Diesel exhaust, after a few tries it would have become apparent to even the most demented fiend that something far better was needed. The idea that the National Socialists actually used such a method not just for a few fiendish experiments, but continually over many months in several different locations is too preposterous. It never happened!” (Source: Ibid., pp. 459, 469).

Many Jewish prisoners undoubtedly perished during or after their rail journey to the Aktion Reinhardt camp sites. Furthermore, it is quite plausible that hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews who were too weak or ill to continue the eastbound journey from the camps were killed there by officials acting on their own authority. These prisoners were almost certainly buried at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. However, there is no hard or compelling evidence that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were mass extermination centers where hundreds of thousands of Jews were systematically put to death. (Source: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_Allen.html#notes123).

German aerial reconnaissance photographs taken in 1944 of the Treblinka camp also cast serious doubts on the widely accepted story that Treblinka was a mass extermination center. Discovered in 1989 in the National Archives in Washington, D.C., these photographs corroborate other evidence indicating that Treblinka was actually a transit camp. The photographs indicate that Treblinka was an extremely small camp. The camp’s burial area appears too small to contain the hundreds of thousands of bodies supposedly buried there. Treblinka was not particularly well guarded or isolated. The aerial photographs show that fields where Polish farmers planted and cultivated crops were directly adjacent to the camp perimeter and were cultivated right up to the edge of the camp. (Source: Weber, Mark and Allen, Andrew, “Treblinka,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 12, No. 2, Summer 1992, p. 134).

A detailed forensic examination at the Treblinka camp using sophisticated electronic ground radar has also found no evidence of mass graves. An Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination at the site of the Treblinka camp. Krege’s team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police. GPR detects any major disturbances in the soil to a normal effective depth of four or five meters.

For six days in October 1999 the team carefully examined the entire Treblinka site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. Krege’s team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil samples. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, the team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes. Richard Krege concludes from his examination of the site that Treblinka was never an extermination camp. Source: (The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 19, No. 3, May/June 2000, p. 20).

Officials at Treblinka will not allow extensive excavation work at the site to determine what actually happened. Eric Hunt stated: “The New York accented ‘Chief Rabbi of Poland’ refuses the complete excavation and exhumation of Treblinka that would definitively destroy ‘The Holocaust’ myth forever or destroy ‘Holocaust Denial.’” Hunt concludes: “…there are certainly mass graves at Treblinka, mostly for those who died on the way to Treblinka. But nowhere near 900,000 could possibly have been buried in this remarkably mostly undisturbed ground.” (Source: http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/newsletters/Newsletter%20841.pdf).

The physical evidence simply does not support the claims of various witnesses that Treblinka was a mass extermination camp. As Germar Rudolf states: “Thus, if one hundred witnesses and one hundred confessions state that the moon is made of green cheese or that 870,000 corpses can be burned within a few months without fuel and without leaving traces, both assertions being of a similar intellectual quality, then we have to conclude – in light of all the forensic evidence – that the witnesses and the defendants are wrong.” (Source: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf).

Since no substantial amounts of ashes or other physical remains of the alleged victims have been found in the AR camps, and because there is no credible evidence that Diesel engines could have killed the alleged victims as described in the Holocaust story, we must conclude that the mass extermination of Jews did not take place at the AR camps. The question to be addressed in my next post is: Where did the inmates of the AR camps go to?

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Is there any way of estimating how many letters were sent by evacuated Jews in the Soviet Union to friends or family members in other countries in the 40s, 50s, and 60s? I’d assume there’s no way to know – it’s not like any time someone in America received a letter from a Jewish person living in the USSR this would’ve been announced in the media. Of course, this is all assuming it was even possible for those dislocated Jews to have sent anything abroad when they were living inside the USSR, and when they were in many cases living out in Siberia.
 

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The deportations of Jews to the east took place in two stages: the Jews were first temporarily settled or lodged in transit camps, and then deported farther east. In view of the paucity of existing documentation, it cannot be determined with certainty what the final destination of this deportation to the east was. However, various pieces of evidence make it possible to draw plausible conclusions.

Pages 253-272 of the book “Treblinka: Transit Camp or Extermination Camp?” at http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf discuss the evidence for the deportations of Jews from the AR camps to the east. Heinrich Himmler is quoted in these pages as follows:

Page 254: In a letter to Gauleiter Arthur Greiser on September 18, 1941, Himmler wrote that, in accord with the wishes of the Führer, the Jews were supposed to have been transported out of the Altreich and the Protectorate “into the eastern territories newly incorporated into the Reich two years ago,” but merely “as a first stage,” in expectation of a deportation “still farther to the east.”

Page 255: In a speech in Bad Tölz, before SS-Junkers on November 23, 1942, Himmler said: “The Jewish question in Europe has also completely changed. In a Reichstag speech the Führer once said: Should Jewry instigate an international war to the extermination of the Aryan peoples, then it is not the Aryan peoples who will be exterminated but Jewry. The Jew is evacuated from Germany; today he lives in the east and works on our roads, railroads, and so on. This process has been carried out consistently, but without cruelty.”

Pages 255-256: On November 18, 1943, in a speech given in Krakow before SS leaders and officials of the General Government, Himmler spoke of: “…these 16 million foreign peoples, whose numbers were once made even larger by an enormous number of Jews, who of course now have emigrated or been brought to the east.”

Page 256: On December 16, 1943, in a speech in Weimar given before the commanders of the Kriegsmarine (German navy), Himmler maintained that: “Such and so many Jews were brought to the east. Migrations of peoples that we have given great names to in history have taken place at this breakneck speed…”

Pages 258-259: It is known that on July 5, 1943, Himmler personally gave the following order: “The transit camp Sobibór is to be converted into a concentration camp. In the concentration camp a plant for the repair of captured munitions is to be established.”

This instruction, directed to officials who could not have been unclear about the actual character of the Sobibór camp, was a Reich secret: for what reason should Himmler have used the expression “Durchgangslager” (transit camp)? In order to pull the wool over the eyes of his underlings – who knew all about it for a long time?

The National Socialist policy of Jewish resettlement in the east is supported by the demographic studies of Professor Eugene M. Kulischer, who was a member of the International Labor Office in Montreal, Canada, during the Second World War. His book “The Displacement of Population in Europe” published in 1943 devotes a section to the question of the “Territories of Destination and Methods of Confinement.” In compiling his notes, the author made use of the assistance of 24 institutions, each of which had at its disposal a dense network of channels of information in the various European nations. Kulischer was thus able to base his work upon the best existing sources.

Kulischer in his book stresses in particular the basic principle of the deportations of Jews:

“Some of the Jews from Belgium were sent to a neighboring part of Western Europe for forced labor, but generally speaking the tendency has been to remove the Jews to the east. Many Western European Jews were reported to have been sent to the mines of Silesia. The great majority were sent to the General Government and, in ever growing numbers, to the eastern area, that is, to the territories which had been under Soviet rule since September 1939 and to the other occupied areas of the Soviet Union. During the early period, deportation meant removal to the General Government, but since 1940 the deported Jews have tended more and more to be sent exclusively to ghettos and labor camps.” (Source: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf, p. 270).

Kulischer then moves on to discuss Jews in the ghettos:

“…Since the invasion of the U.S.S.R., ghettos have been established in western Belorussia, western Ukraine and Baltic States, and also in occupied Russia.

The primary purpose of the ghettos and special Jewish towns is the segregation of the local Jewish population. This consists of the former inhabitants of the area which was turned into a ghetto or a Jewish town, the inhabitants of the same town who are removed to the ghetto, and Jews removed from other localities of the same country. For the second and third categories segregation in the ghetto meant compulsory removal, and for the third category forced migration also. The number of persons affected by this internal forced migration may have numbered many hundreds of thousands in the General Government alone.

The ghettos of the General Government or the eastern territories are also the usual destination of the Jews deported from the west by the German authorities or by the authorities of other countries allied to Germany.” (Source: Ibid., pp. 271-272).

Finally, Kulischer discusses the subject of the compulsory labor camps. He notes in this regard:

“Up to the summer of 1941, at least 85 Jewish labor camps were known to exist in the General Government. Of the 35 camps the position of which was known, two-thirds were located on the eastern frontier. Forced labor for Jews expanded rapidly, having developed from a subsidiary measure into an essential feature of the treatment of Jews…

During 1942, forced labor became the common fate of the Jews in Poland and German-occupied Soviet territory. The period for which Jews fit to work are liable for forced labor is no longer limited. Their removal to the east was largely motivated by the wish to make use of them as forced labor, and as Germany’s need of manpower grew, deportation for adults of working age was tantamount to assignment to forced labor. In contrast with the other inhabitants of German-occupied countries, Jews are not sent to work in the Reich, because Jewish immigration would run counter to the policy of making Germany ‘free of Jews’... Deportation to the east is for the Jews the equivalent of the recruitment for work in the Reich to which the rest of the population of German-controlled Europe is subject, and their removal further and further eastward is doubtless connected with the need for supplying the army’s requirements near the front.” (Source: Ibid., p. 272).

Nowhere does Kulischer speak of “extermination camps” or of a German policy of the physical extermination of the Jews. There is no reason to doubt that the Germans had a program of deportation of the Jews from the AR camps to the east.

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You write: "Here’s what the Soviet archives DON’T contain — any record of the arrival of 1.5 million Jews in the 1940s. Here’s also what we’re missing: any Jew whatsoever saying they were transferred through an AR camp to the USSR. Why not, Mr. Wear?"

My response: The Soviet archives don't contain records of the arrival of 1.5 million Jews in the 1940s probably because these records were destroyed by the Soviets. This would be extremely easy to do.

The Soviet Union took control of Poland and the documentation related to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. We know that the Soviet Union engaged in many lies and deceptions concerning World War II. One of the best examples is the three witnesses at Nuremberg who testified that Germany was responsible for the mass execution of Polish officers at Katyn. Today everybody agrees that the Soviet Union and not Germany was responsible for the Katyn Forest massacres. (Source: Conot, Robert E., Justice at Nuremberg, New York: Harper & Row, 1983, p. 454; de Zayas, Alfred-Maurice, The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, Lincoln: 1990, pp. 230-235).

Another example of Soviet deception is that the Soviets hid information that would enable an outsider to construct the reality of what was happening militarily in the Soviet Union at the beginning of Germany’s invasion on June 22, 1941. Viktor Suvorov, a former Soviet military intelligence operative who defected to the United Kingdom in 1978, gained access to closed Soviet archives while doing a research paper at the Soviet Army Academy. Suvorov discovered that the Soviet version of World War II history is a lie, and that it conceals the Soviet Union’s responsibility for starting the war. The Red Army in June 1941 was, at the time, the largest and best equipped army in the history of the world. The German invasion of the Soviet Union was made to prevent the Soviets from conquering all of Europe. (Source: Suvorov, Viktor, The Chief Culprit: Stalin’s Grand Design to Start World War II, Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 2008, Introduction, pp. xv-xix).

The Soviets also lied about the existence of homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek in Poland. A Soviet-Polish committee concluded in August 1944 that at least five homicidal gas chambers operated in Majdanek. The documents at Majdanek prove, however, that the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek were delousing chambers built only for sanitary purposes. (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, “The Gas Chambers of Majdanek,” in Gauss, Ernst (ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Capshaw, AL: Thesis and Dissertations Press, 2000, pp. 414-415).

The Soviet Union under Josef Stalin also engaged in numerous additional criminal acts, including the mass murder of many millions of its own citizens. Destroying the documentation related to transports of Jews from the Aktion Reinhardt camps would be extremely easy to do and totally consistent with the criminal nature of the Soviet government.

The American military could also not be trusted to honestly report and disclose any documents that it discovered after World War II. The United States conducted a program of genocide against the German people after the war. This includes the mass starvation and murder of hundreds of thousands of German POWs, the expulsion of approximately 15 million Germans from their homes in eastern Germany, and the intentional starvation of millions of resident Germans. Any nation that committed such atrocious criminal acts would not hesitate to hide or destroy documents that disprove the official Holocaust story.

You ask why any Jew whatsoever says they were transferred through an AR camp to the USSR. My answer is that Jews who publicly dispute the so-called Holocaust have been subject to physical threats, persecution, and harassment. David Cole and Joseph G. Burg are two prime examples of this.

You write: "All three AR sites have human remains in the ground on the order of thousands."

My response: There might be a few thousand dead Jews at each AR camp, but not anywhere close to a total of 1.5 million. Since the AR camps each have only a few thousand dead Jews in them, we can conclusively state that not anywhere close to 1.5 million Jews died in the AR camps. The AR camps were transit camps and not extermination camps.

Germar Rudolf has found an interesting case of a Jew transited to the East from Treblinka. Rudolf writes:

"Jean-Marie Boisdefeu has documented an interesting case he stumbled over while skimming Yad Vashem’s database of Holocaust victims. This case, too, is based on a memorial book published by government authorities, in this case of Germany. It concerns the Berlin Jew Siegmund Rothstein, born in 1867, who was first deported to the Theresienstadt Ghetto for elderly Jews in August 1942. Barely a month later, however, on September 26, he was deported to Treblinka at the age of 75. But that was not his end at all, because the German authorities found life signs of him further east, as they finally determined that Rothstein died in Minsk, the capital city of Belarus, some 240 miles (286 km) east of Treblinka. I doubt 75-year-old Mr. Rothstein jumped off the train prior to arriving at Treblinka and ran all the way to German-occupied Minsk. Hence, he must have traveled there by train. I also doubt that the German authorities reserved a train just for him or put just him on a military train going to Minsk. Rather, he must have made that journey on a deportation train together with hundreds or thousands of fellow deportees from Theresienstadt.

Boisdefeu states that none of the thousands of Jews deported from Theresienstadt is listed in the German memorial book as having been killed at Treblinka, but that they all are listed with a variety of different locations where they either died or were last heard of and then went missing.

This case, too, indicates that thousands of Jews seem to have been deported to “the East” with Treblinka as a transit station. As a result, Treblinka must indeed have had the logistics to temporarily house, feed, and clean hundreds, if not thousands of individuals for short periods of time. Among other things, it most likely did have a very real shower facility for that very purpose." (Source: Rudolf, Germar, “One Survivor, One Single Survivor!,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 9, No. 2, 2017).

Germar Rudolf writes:

As far as I know, no one has done any thorough, systematic research trying to locate more individual cases of Jews transited through Treblinka, Sobibór or Bełżec to other places using the data available in published sources, victim and witness databases, etc. ….Revisionists, on the other hand, have so far lacked the human, monetary, logistical and temporal resources to undertake such research on the grand scale it would require. So, in this case as well, the evidence keeps deteriorating, as memories fade, documents decay and survivors die.” (Source: Ibid.).

Hopefully, someone will do this research in the future. For now, we have one known Jew who was transited to the East from Treblinka.

Defenders of the Holocaust story will probably still claim that there would be a massive amount of documentary evidence if Jews were transited from the Aktion Reinhardt camps to the East. Such claims ignore the fact that the documentation of transports from the Aktion Reinhardt camps could have been easily destroyed by the Allies. These claims also ignore the fact that Jewish and German witnesses have never been free to express what they saw and experienced concerning the so-called Holocaust without being subject to severe reprisals.

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You write: "Here’s what the Soviet archives DON’T contain — any record of the arrival of 1.5 million Jews in the 1940s. Here’s also what we’re missing: any Jew whatsoever saying they were transferred through an AR camp to the USSR. Why not, Mr. Wear?"

My response: The Soviet archives don't contain records of the arrival of 1.5 million Jews in the 1940s probably because these records were destroyed by the Soviets. This would be extremely easy to do.

The Soviet Union took control of Poland and the documentation related to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. We know that the Soviet Union engaged in many lies and deceptions concerning World War II. One of the best examples is the three witnesses at Nuremberg who testified that Germany was responsible for the mass execution of Polish officers at Katyn. Today everybody agrees that the Soviet Union and not Germany was responsible for the Katyn Forest massacres. (Source: Conot, Robert E., Justice at Nuremberg, New York: Harper & Row, 1983, p. 454; de Zayas, Alfred-Maurice, The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, Lincoln: 1990, pp. 230-235).

Another example of Soviet deception is that the Soviets hid information that would enable an outsider to construct the reality of what was happening militarily in the Soviet Union at the beginning of Germany’s invasion on June 22, 1941. Viktor Suvorov, a former Soviet military intelligence operative who defected to the United Kingdom in 1978, gained access to closed Soviet archives while doing a research paper at the Soviet Army Academy. Suvorov discovered that the Soviet version of World War II history is a lie, and that it conceals the Soviet Union’s responsibility for starting the war. The Red Army in June 1941 was, at the time, the largest and best equipped army in the history of the world. The German invasion of the Soviet Union was made to prevent the Soviets from conquering all of Europe. (Source: Suvorov, Viktor, The Chief Culprit: Stalin’s Grand Design to Start World War II, Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 2008, Introduction, pp. xv-xix).

The Soviets also lied about the existence of homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek in Poland. A Soviet-Polish committee concluded in August 1944 that at least five homicidal gas chambers operated in Majdanek. The documents at Majdanek prove, however, that the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek were delousing chambers built only for sanitary purposes. (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, “The Gas Chambers of Majdanek,” in Gauss, Ernst (ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Capshaw, AL: Thesis and Dissertations Press, 2000, pp. 414-415).

The Soviet Union under Josef Stalin also engaged in numerous additional criminal acts, including the mass murder of many millions of its own citizens. Destroying the documentation related to transports of Jews from the Aktion Reinhardt camps would be extremely easy to do and totally consistent with the criminal nature of the Soviet government.

The American military could also not be trusted to honestly report and disclose any documents that it discovered after World War II. The United States conducted a program of genocide against the German people after the war. This includes the mass starvation and murder of hundreds of thousands of German POWs, the expulsion of approximately 15 million Germans from their homes in eastern Germany, and the intentional starvation of millions of resident Germans. Any nation that committed such atrocious criminal acts would not hesitate to hide or destroy documents that disprove the official Holocaust story.

You ask why any Jew whatsoever says they were transferred through an AR camp to the USSR. My answer is that Jews who publicly dispute the so-called Holocaust have been subject to physical threats, persecution, and harassment. David Cole and Joseph G. Burg are two prime examples of this.

You write: "All three AR sites have human remains in the ground on the order of thousands."

My response: There might be a few thousand dead Jews at each AR camp, but not anywhere close to a total of 1.5 million. Since the AR camps each have only a few thousand dead Jews in them, we can conclusively state that not anywhere close to 1.5 million Jews died in the AR camps. The AR camps were transit camps and not extermination camps.

Germar Rudolf has found an interesting case of a Jew transited to the East from Treblinka. Rudolf writes:

"Jean-Marie Boisdefeu has documented an interesting case he stumbled over while skimming Yad Vashem’s database of Holocaust victims. This case, too, is based on a memorial book published by government authorities, in this case of Germany. It concerns the Berlin Jew Siegmund Rothstein, born in 1867, who was first deported to the Theresienstadt Ghetto for elderly Jews in August 1942. Barely a month later, however, on September 26, he was deported to Treblinka at the age of 75. But that was not his end at all, because the German authorities found life signs of him further east, as they finally determined that Rothstein died in Minsk, the capital city of Belarus, some 240 miles (286 km) east of Treblinka. I doubt 75-year-old Mr. Rothstein jumped off the train prior to arriving at Treblinka and ran all the way to German-occupied Minsk. Hence, he must have traveled there by train. I also doubt that the German authorities reserved a train just for him or put just him on a military train going to Minsk. Rather, he must have made that journey on a deportation train together with hundreds or thousands of fellow deportees from Theresienstadt.

Boisdefeu states that none of the thousands of Jews deported from Theresienstadt is listed in the German memorial book as having been killed at Treblinka, but that they all are listed with a variety of different locations where they either died or were last heard of and then went missing.

This case, too, indicates that thousands of Jews seem to have been deported to “the East” with Treblinka as a transit station. As a result, Treblinka must indeed have had the logistics to temporarily house, feed, and clean hundreds, if not thousands of individuals for short periods of time. Among other things, it most likely did have a very real shower facility for that very purpose." (Source: Rudolf, Germar, “One Survivor, One Single Survivor!,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 9, No. 2, 2017).

Germar Rudolf writes:

As far as I know, no one has done any thorough, systematic research trying to locate more individual cases of Jews transited through Treblinka, Sobibór or Bełżec to other places using the data available in published sources, victim and witness databases, etc. ….Revisionists, on the other hand, have so far lacked the human, monetary, logistical and temporal resources to undertake such research on the grand scale it would require. So, in this case as well, the evidence keeps deteriorating, as memories fade, documents decay and survivors die.” (Source: Ibid.).

Hopefully, someone will do this research in the future. For now, we have one known Jew who was transited to the East from Treblinka.

Defenders of the Holocaust story will probably still claim that there would be a massive amount of documentary evidence if Jews were transited from the Aktion Reinhardt camps to the East. Such claims ignore the fact that the documentation of transports from the Aktion Reinhardt camps could have been easily destroyed by the Allies. These claims also ignore the fact that Jewish and German witnesses have never been free to express what they saw and experienced concerning the so-called Holocaust without being subject to severe reprisals.

Replies: @kb_2, @littlereddot, @Patrick McNally, @Andrew Mathis

David Cole’s real transgression was that he was ignorant and wrong about the gas chambers of Auschwitz, and to my knowledge, even to this day he hasn’t admitted he was wrong about the gas chambers in Auschwitz.
 

Will probably have to simply agree to disagree about that.
 

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

> Menachem Begin was one of the Polish Jews who was seized by the Soviets, tortured, and dumped in Siberia.

The thing is that Begin was from Warsaw (occupied by Germany as part of the 1939 pact) and then fled to Vilnius from the Germans.

"Parts of the Jewish population, especially refugees from Western Poland, had been deported to the Soviet interior before the outbreak of hostilities."
-- Solomon Schwarz, The Jews in the Soviet Union, p. 222.

But there was no general policy to evacuate the native Jewish population of eastern Poland into the deeper USSR. It was rather that Jews from the German-annexed territories who showed up within the Soviet territory might be viewed as suspicious and transported to Siberia, as happened with Begin. But nothing suggests a Soviet policy to transport the main Jewish populace of the Sovietized region of Poland prior to June 22, 1941.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write that the Soviet archives "do not admit a casual allowance of up to 1.5 million Jews disappearing from Poland and showing up in Siberia. If a general round-up of Jews in Soviet territory had ever been made, then that would have been apparent in the 1990s."

My response: First, many of the Soviet archives are still closed. If you read Viktor Suvorov's book "The Chief Culprit," Suvorov on page xxii of this book makes a demand that rulers of Russia "open the war archives! Sixty years have passed since the German invasion. It happened in the first half of the last century. Why are the archives still closed? What are you hiding from the world?"

Second, most of the Jews transited through the AR camps did not end up in Siberia. Eugene Kulischer, in his book "The Displacement of Population in Europe", devoted an entire section of his book to the expulsion and deportation of Jews during World War II. Kulischer stated:

"For the Polish ghettos are not the last stage in the forced eastward migration of the Jewish people. On 20 November 1941, the Governor General, Hans Frank, broadcast the information that the Polish Jews would ultimately be transferred further east. Since the summer of 1942 the ghettos and labor camps in the German-occupied Eastern Territories have become the destination of deportees both from Poland and from western and central Europe; in particular, a new large-scale transfer from the Warsaw ghetto has been reported. Many of the deportees have been sent to the labor camps on the Russian front; others to work in the marshes of Pinsk, or to the ghettos of the Baltic countries, Belorussia and Ukraine. (Source: Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943, pp. 110-111).

Third, the Soviets have a history of lying about and distorting events related to the so-called Holocaust. For example, on page 295 of the 4th edition of Germar Rudolf's book "Lectures on the Holocaust", the Soviets showed an especially horrific and fake picture of the Majdanek cremation furnaces with human skeletons scattered about. (https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf). The press frenzy surrounding these pictures was especially huge.

If the Soviets can show the world such obviously fake pictures, they can also hide or destroy records relating to the transfer of Jews from the AR camps into Soviet territory.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Patrick McNally

You write: "Mr. Wear would do well to read original sources and not regurgitate the expurgated versions reproduced by inveterate liars."

My response: I don't have Eugene Kulischer's book in my personal library, but I did go to the SMU library and checked it out. I did read this book and used it as an original source.

If you read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/2/7291, I have four footnotes in this article that come directly from Kulischer's book.

You write: "Here’s Kulischer: “It is hardly possible to distinguish how far the changes in the Jewish population of the General Government are due to deportation and how far they are attributable to ‘ordinary’ mortality and extermination. Moreover, the number of Jews remaining in the General Government is in any case uncertain” (p. 111, my emphasis)."

My response: I agree with Kulischer that exact numbers of populations are difficult to come by when you have a major war and people are being transferred to numerous locations.

However, Kulischer stated that “deportation to the east is for Jews the equivalent of the recruitment for work in the Reich to which the rest of the population of German-controlled Europe is subject, and their removal further and further eastward is doubtless connected with the need for supplying the army’s requirements near the front.” (Source: Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943, p. 110).

Kulischer concluded that the vast majority of deported Jews “went to the General Government, and further east to the German and Rumanian-occupied territories of the Soviet Union.” (Source: Ibid., p. 112).

Nowhere in his book does Kulischer speak of extermination camps or of a German policy of genocide of the Jews. The demographic evidence does not support such a conclusion.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Wizard of Oz

I write: “If 1.5 million Jews died in the AR camps, you would have massive amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones in these camps. Since these do not exist, we know that the AR camps were not pure extermination camps.” and you respond: "Categorically false."

My response: So, why is my statement categorically false? Please elaborate.

The physical evidence simply does not support the claims of various witnesses that Treblinka and the other AR camps were mass extermination camps. As Germar Rudolf states: “Thus, if one hundred witnesses and one hundred confessions state that the moon is made of green cheese or that 870,000 corpses can be burned within a few months without fuel and without leaving traces, both assertions being of a similar intellectual quality, then we have to conclude – in light of all the forensic evidence – that the witnesses and the defendants are wrong.” (Source: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf).

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Tiptoethrutulips

Since you brought "proper training as historians" up, I have a question for you. If this is a subject which will bring you discomfort for any reason, I will understand of course. Does Chris Webb have any kind of formal training as a historian? Does he have any degree at all? What did he do before deathcamps.org (that site apparently was set up in 2002, according to reference [1] I posted below). His date of birth is given as 1954 in [2], and he has a British accent (at [3] and [4] one can listen to podcasts with him), that's about all I know about his history. What did he do up until 2002? Why doesn't he have a Wikipedia page?
[1] http://learning-from-history.de/International/content/7480
[2] https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/bib256632
[3] https://newbooksnetwork.com/the-belzec-death-camp
[4] https://newbooksnetwork.com/the-sobibor-and-treblinka-death-camps-a-discussion-with-chris-webb
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Thanks for your comments on this section, in particular the link to the page with links to discussions of that video entitled "One Third of the Holocaust".

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

This is from the National Library of Medicine, Published online 2021 Aug 6.
Genetic and phylogeographic evidence for Jewish Holocaust victims at the Sobibór death camp:

“ Six million Jews were killed by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II. Archaeological excavations in the area of the death camp in Sobibór, Poland, revealed ten sets of human skeletal remains presumptively assigned to Polish victims of the totalitarian regimes.

In Nazi parlance, the euphemism “final solution of the Jewish problem” (die Endlösung der Judenfrage) denoted the idea to exterminate all Jews of Europe. The persecution of Jews begun immediately after Hitler’s rise to power. It transformed through a stage of the policy of forced emigration in the late 1930s into the mass scale murder of six million Jews and other persecuted groups during the Second World War [1, 2]. The secret Operation Reinhardt (OR), which was launched in March 1942, was one of the deadliest contributions to this process. By December 1942, the lives of 1.3 million people were taken in gas chambers at death camps in Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka, with many thousands more killed on the spot during the liquidation of the ghettos in German-occupied Poland. The total death toll of OR amounts to nearly two million. A recently published study concludes that more than 25% of all Holocaust victims were killed during only 3 months [2]. In contrast to the concentration camps in Auschwitz-Birkenau and Majdanek, the three OR death camps were not designed as labour camps, but rather exclusively served the purpose of industrial scale mass murder [1]. After having fulfilled this purpose, Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka were closed and their traces scrupulously obliterated (Additional File 1).”
……………………………………….

Of note, the total death number is indicated at 6 million. This number is evoked twice therein. Is this number correct?
The 6 million figure pertains only to Jews, so the total number killed, during the event known as the Holocaust, is more than 6 million. Is that also correct?
If not, what is the total number by your estimation/knowledge?
A total of 2 million (nearly) deaths are attributed to the OR camps; is that figure correct?
According to this report, only ten skeletons were exhumed. Do you know of any other documented exhumations?
On a personal note, if I may ask, are you a hunter, of anything other than small game/birds?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

At the time of the early Cold War, the emphasis would have been on bringing West Germany into the fold of NATO. Any historian of modern Germany with a prominent place at Harvard or wherever would have been more concerned with writing things that promote the sense of Germans as good allies, not harping on atrocity stories from the recent war....Even so, Gerald Reitlinger and Leon Poliakov did produce books at that time.
 

Replies: @Patrick McNally, @Andrew Mathis, @Skeptikal

If you want to play white knight you could certainly find someone more worthy of a rescue operation than Patrick McNally.

Here are just a few of the more poignant comments by Ron Unz concerting the troll known as "Patrick McNally" who constantly spams UR threads :

https://www.unz.com/runz/more-falsehoods-of-world-war-ii

I wonder whether you’ve actually ever read any Suvorov’s books or merely rely upon what you can glean from Internet reviews and such.
 

I wouldn't pay any attention to "Patrick McNally." He's a notorious fraud who hangs around this website, regularly making absurd claims such as that few of the early Bolshevik leaders were Jewish.

 

I sometimes wonder whether you're related to Bernie Madoff or perhaps trained under him. He was an extraordinarily bold fraudster, and you seem much the same.

 

Look, you're just a dishonest propagandist, very possibly paid to spend endless hours on this website spouting your obfuscating nonsense.

 

Your sophistical arguments are clearly aimed at stupid, gullible people.

 

But your willingness to simply ignore all this direct personal testimony simply proves once again that you're just a dishonest shill.

 

You, on the other hand, seem to have ultra-conventional views on Jews, the Bolshevik Revolution, and World War II. That raises all sorts of questions about why you would spend so much of your time on this website, writing such detailed comments totaling hundreds of thousands of words defending the conventional narrative and disputing the obvious reality that the top early Bolshevik leadership was overwhelmingly Jewish. Why put in so much time and effort on this fringe-website? Don't you have a job at which you need to be earning a living?

Perhaps you're just a very publicly-spirited citizen, and commenting on this website is your primary leisure activity. But I think it's far more likely that commenting on this website is your job and how your earn your living. Presumably you're being paid by the ADL or some similar sort of organization to obfuscate those facts they wish to see obfuscated.
 

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Anon

You write in comment #591: "You have not reckoned with Kola’s report. Not even close. Stop quoting Holocaust Handbooks to me. You’ve demonstrated you haven’t read Kola. You’re a joke, and not a funny."

My response: Back in comment #500 you gave me the title of Kola's book "Belzec: The Nazi Camp for Jews in the Light of Archaeological Sources: Excavations 1997-1999" published by Council for the Protection of Memory of Combat and Martyrdom.

I looked in my local Dallas Public Library and the SMU library and did not find it in either of these two libraries. I also looked at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Books-A-Million and did not see it for sale at any of these bookstores.

So, do you know where I can obtain a copy of this book? Please let me know and I will be glad to read it.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write in comment #587: "Maybe real all the posts before you start responding. Kalischer [sic] also used the term “extermination” to refer to the Jews of the Generalgouvernement."

My response: Please go back and read my comment #586. I wrote the following:

"You write: “Here’s Kulischer: “It is hardly possible to distinguish how far the changes in the Jewish population of the General Government are due to deportation and how far they are attributable to ‘ordinary’ mortality and extermination. Moreover, the number of Jews remaining in the General Government is in any case uncertain” (p. 111, my emphasis).”

So, I did read your comment before I responded.

You write in comment #588: "No he doesn’t mention extermination camps. But he does use the word “extermination.” What of that?"

My response: I read Eugene M. Kulischer's entire book. Nowhere in this book does he discuss a German policy of extermination of the Jews. His book can not be used to either prove or disprove that Germany had a policy of exterminating the Jews.

Kulischer devoted an entire section of his book to the expulsion and deportation of Jews during World War II. Kulischer stated:

"For the Polish ghettos are not the last stage in the forced eastward migration of the Jewish people. On 20 November 1941, the Governor General, Hans Frank, broadcast the information that the Polish Jews would ultimately be transferred further east. Since the summer of 1942 the ghettos and labor camps in the German-occupied Eastern Territories have become the destination of deportees both from Poland and from western and central Europe; in particular, a new large-scale transfer from the Warsaw ghetto has been reported. Many of the deportees have been sent to the labor camps on the Russian front; others to work in the marshes of Pinsk, or to the ghettos of the Baltic countries, Belorussia and Ukraine." (Source: Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943, pp 110-111).

Kulischer stated that “deportation to the east is for Jews the equivalent of the recruitment for work in the Reich to which the rest of the population of German-controlled Europe is subject, and their removal further and further eastward is doubtless connected with the need for supplying the army’s requirements near the front.” (Source: Ibid., p. 110).

Kulischer concluded that the vast majority of deported Jews “went to the General Government, and further east to the German and Rumanian-occupied territories of the Soviet Union.” (Source: Ibid., p. 112).

So, Kulischer's book can be used to show that Germany had a policy of send Jews to the east to the General Government, and further east to the German and Rumanian-occupied territories of the Soviet Union.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "Repeating yourself isn’t an argument. Saying the same wrong thing over again won’t ever make it right. He undeniably uses the word “extermination” in referring to possible fates of the Jews in the Generalgouvernment. Either respond to this point or admit you can’t or won’t."

My response: Eugene Kulischer in his book writes: "It is hardly possible to distinguish how far the changes in the Jewish population of the General Government are due to deportation and how far they are attributable to ‘ordinary’ mortality and extermination."

So, Kulischer does not know how far the changes in the Jewish population of the General Government are due to deportation, ordinary mortality and extermination. He simply does not know. Nothing in this statement proves that Germany had an extermination policy against the Jews.

It should be noted that nowhere else in his book does Eugene Kulischer mention anything about a German policy of exterminating the Jews. If there had been a German policy of extermination, I think Kulischer would have known about it.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "No idea and not my problem. Plenty of Kola’s other work is broadly available in archaeology journals."

My response: Do you know of an archaeology journal written in English where I can read Kola's full report. If you do, please let me know about it.

This topic came up when you wrote in comment #591: "You have not reckoned with Kola’s report. Not even close. Stop quoting Holocaust Handbooks to me. You’ve demonstrated you haven’t read Kola. You’re a joke, and not a funny.”

I will be glad to read his full report if you can tell me where I can get a copy of it. If a copy of his report is not available in English, then there is no way I can ever read it.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Thank you for the answers. A few more questions, if I may:

“Andrzej Kola, who conducted digs at Belzec, has done some at Sobibor. Since he dug there, several more digs have been done. Archaeological research is ongoing and regularly published.”

Who has ownership/authority of the land/territory encompassing the former AR/OR camps? Who has/had access since the end of WW2? Has there been any development on said territory?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "Presumably a historian knows how to use a library."

My response: I know how to use a library. In 2015 a man named I. White brought up Kola’s book “Belzec: The Nazi Camp for Jews in the Light of Archaeological Sources: Excavations 1997-1999” in an Amazon discussion thread we were participating in. I did a thorough search back then and could not find a copy of this book written in English that I could read.

So far I have checked with the local libraries and major booksellers and have not found a way to obtain a copy of this book. If this book was beneficial to the official Holocaust story, I would think it would be widely distributed by now. The fact that this book has not been widely distributed almost certainly means that it is not as important or beneficial to the Holocaust story as you want us to believe.

Until you can tell me how I can purchase or obtain a copy of this book, I will go with Germar Rudolf's summary of the book. I consider Rudolf to be a much more credible source of information than anyone from Holocaust Controversies or such similar pro-Holocaust supporters.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write about Eugene Kulischer: "Really. Why would he have known?"

My response: Establishment historians state that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor were exterminated. It is claimed that a handful of strong young Jews were temporarily spared to keep the camps running. All other Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were immediately gassed upon arrival without registration. (Source: Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009).

Historian Peter Longerich, for example, states in his book "Holocaust" that 1,274,166 Jews had been killed in the Aktion Reinhardt camps by the end of 1942. Longerich bases his statement on the Höfle telegram from January 1943, which shows that this many Jews had been sent by then to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. Longerich asserts without evidence that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were murdered. (Source: Longerich, Peter, Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010, p. 340).

Eugene M. Kulischer, who was a member of the International Labor Office in Montreal during World War II, published in 1943 the book "The Displacement of Population in Europe." This book used the work of 24 institutions that had at their disposal a huge network of channels of information in the various European nations. Kulischer was thus able to base his demographic studies upon the best existing sources.

If 1,274,166 Jews had been killed in the Aktion Reinhardt camps by the end of 1942, there is a good chance that someone in Kulischer's group of 24 institutions would have known about it. These 24 institutions had at their disposal a huge network of channels of information in the various European nations. It would have been very difficult to hide the extermination of such a large number of Jews from this vast network of channels of information.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Andrew 'Moshe' Mathis writes:

I’d say the real number [of small hats alleged to have been killed] is between 5.5 and 5.75 million.
 

'Or, take another simple fact: mortality of Jews in the camps was on average no different from other inmates, i.e. overall, they died at much the same rate'.

‘More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz.’

'Once Zyklon started to be introduced into the German labour-camps, in the summer of 1942, mortality went down, not up'.
 

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "The Soviets would not arrive at these camps until a year after Kulischer published his book. Don’t oversell your point. There was precious little info available to anyone until the Vrba-Wetzler report."

My response: All right. It is quite possible that Eugene M. Kulischer in 1943 knew nothing about the mass extermination of Jews at the AR and other German camps. That is entirely possible even with his vast network of informers.

Yet, in your comment #616, you write about Kulischer, "He undeniably uses the word “extermination” in referring to possible fates of the Jews in the Generalgouvernment. Either respond to this point or admit you can’t or won’t."

So, in comment #616, you act as if Kulischer knew about a German program of mass extermination of Jews based on his use of the word extermination in one sentence. Now, in comment #632, you act as if Kulischer in 1943 could not have known of a German program of mass extermination of Jews. I find your responses to be inconsistent.

I also don't regard the Vrba-Wetzler report as being a credible source of information.

Rudolf Vrba, who had escaped from Auschwitz in April of 1944, was a world-famous eyewitness to the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. Vrba was a coauthor of the War Refugee Board Report, and was the author of the book "I Cannot Forgive" (with Alan Bestic) published in 1964. Furthermore, Vrba had provided important eyewitness testimony at the Auschwitz trial in Frankfurt in 1964. The prosecution felt that Vrba could produce reliable and authentic testimony at the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial. Vrba was considered one of the most important witnesses in support of the existence of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz.

However, Vrba confessed during his testimony at Zündel’s trial that his book "I Cannot Forgive" was “an artistic picture…not a document for the court.” Vrba also testified that he had never actually witnessed anybody being gassed at Auschwitz, but had merely heard rumors. Furthermore, Vrba admitted that his written and pictorial descriptions of the Auschwitz crematory were mere guessing, based on “what I heard it might look like.” Vrba proved to be an unreliable witness who could only cite hearsay evidence of the so-called Holocaust. (Source: Hoffman II, Michael A., The Great Holocaust Trial, 3rd edition, Dresden, NY: Wiswell Ruffin House, 1995, pp. 56-59).

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "Two things 1) Any person conducting research in this area has a responsibility to learn the languages. I learned German in my 40s so I could read documents. Now in my 50s, I’m learning Romanian. Get with the program. At HC, we have the combined ability to read a dozen languages."

My response: Good for you.

Jurgen Gräf reads about a dozen languages. Germar Rudolf reads German, English, French and Italian. Carlo Mattogno reads multiple languages, including German and Italian, although he does not read or speak English. These three people have the same language skills as all of you combined at HC.

I only speak English, and at age 70 I am not going to take the time to learn a new language. I do not regard myself as being a first-tier Holocaust researcher that does original research in the field. I leave that to people such as Rudolf, Mattogno and Graf.

However, I have studied what is available in English for a period of over three decades now. I regard myself as being an informed amateur historian.

You write: "2) Publishers and researchers generally don’t care about Holocaust denial. They aren’t working to prove anything to you. The availability of a book says nothing about its “value” in this regard."

My response: Actually, Holocaust researchers work diligently to attempt to prove that the official Holocaust story is valid. That is why you see so many books and articles written on the so-called Holocaust.

If Kola's report was so beneficial to the Holocaust story, you and I both know that it would be available in English. Actually, as far as I can tell, it doesn't appear to be widely available in any language.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Based on a Heads Up by "Anon" I delved into your commenting history here at UR.

I found this little love gem by Mathis to McNally:

@Patrick McNally
Your father once reviewed an article I wrote (unkindly). You seem to have inherited his intelligence and somewhat different points of view.

I mean both parts as compliments, to be clear.
 

Browsing though the comments from Andrew Mathis I also noticed this challenge to Ron Unz:

Debate me outside your forum. Otherwise, you can keep your bait.
 

I’m the only one from HC who’s going to come here and none of us will debate Unz here.
 

I’m one of the founders of Holocaust Controversies and have had my posts here removed by Unz.

I’d be happy to debate him but not in a forum he controls.
 

My recommendation:

https://dailystormer.in/

Andrew Anglin knows first hand about the malignant effect of Jewish censorship. He would guarantee you and Mr. Unz freedom of speech.

If you don't find dailystormer acceptable, then please provide us with a list of blogs/forums where there is freedom of speech. Certainly 4chan and Reddit don't apply since they are so heavily moderated, and their commenting engines don't compare to UR anyway.

In comments from Mathis there is also a long debate he had with Mr. Weir, who managed to give Mathis a good throbbing. Mathis was snotty, arrogant and condescending throughout the entire discussion. He cannot claim that he was debating Mr. Wear on his own blog.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Prince Saradine

So you admit that you cannot name a single neutral blog/comment platform that could be used as a debate venue. Of course I am not at all surprised, your tribe will never enter into a game or gamble unless they have rigged it or have a secret advantage.

I will also note that I have dealt with Jewish shysters like yourself before. Lawyers in general love to nit pick and deliberately avoid the salient points in an argument. Jews are experts at this style of non-debate because they are the worlds experts at the even more warped and perverted talmudic law too. A married couple of Jewish lawyers is hell on earth.

We can see this perfectly in the way that Jewish shysters in Hollywood and Nuremburg managed to turn their own war crimes like Katyn and a war of starvation into capital crimes against Germans and Germany. We can also see it clearly today in the way that Jewish shysters and neocons have hijact the US and turned it into a weapon of Zionist terrorism in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq and all across the middle east and even south America.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Hache's daughter, who accompanied her father to Berlin, wrote about her experience.

And the Czech citizens appeared happy to see German soldiers in their city. That's what the newsreel show.

Replies: @Patrick McNally, @Andrew Mathis

Your comment #644 is fair enough.

In comment #645, you write: "Presumably, Mr. Wear also believes that people who write about the Civil War also are trying to prove it happened since there are so many books about that."

My response: People who write about the Civil War are free to write anything they want to about this war.

People who write about the so-called Holocaust will go to jail in many countries if they dispute the official narrative. Just ask Germar Rudolf--he knows this from experience.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "But that’s a different point from the one you were previously making, isn’t it? Your claim was that there are so many works about the Holocaust because the “orthodox” historians are trying to prove it happened. Do you withdraw that claim?

My response: No, I do not withdraw my claim.

Revisionist historians have shown that: 1) there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German concentration camps; 2) Germany did not have a program of genocide against the Jews; and 3) the standard estimate of 6 million Jews who died during World War II is a ridiculous exaggeration.

Mainstream "Holocaust" historians keep writing their books and articles in an attempt to fool the general public into thinking that the official Holocaust story is valid.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "You guys haven’t proved any of those things. You haven’t even made a dent. You have real delusions of relevance."

My response: If we weren't considered relevant, why have so many countries made it a criminal offense for Holocaust revisionists to question any aspect of the official Holocaust story?

Replies: @Mark Bahner, @Andrew Mathis

The pedantry is strong with this one.

OK, if there wasn’t something to this kind of speech, why label it “incitement to hatred” and ban it?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You ask: "Don’t you know that Germany was trying to rid itself of Jews unfit for work?"

My response: If this was the case, you would not have so many young Jewish children survive the war. I have met many through the years.

A famous example is Israel Shahak, who was liberated from Bergen-Belsen shortly before he turned 12 years old.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Andrew Mathis says: “Most western countries have limits to free speech that disallow incitement to hatred.”

JEWS ARE FULL OF HATRED TOWARDS THE GOYIM! WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THAT?
What about JEWS calling for the EXTERMINATION of the Goyim? WHY do they get away with it?

FREE SPEECH for the JEWS only?

Of course:
“Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.” Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

Rabbi, Mizrachi: “Goyim, at least 6 billion of them are idol worshippers and according to the Torah do not have the right to live and deserve the death penalty”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb80Zhhba7E

Here ‘Rabbis Explain the Abrahamic Judeo Takeover Conspiracy’: https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Jews-Rule-the-World:1 14 minute video

The first Rabbi in this video is saying:
“Maybe you shouldn’t tell anybody that I said this, but you know all those tropes about Jews controlling the world or at least wanting to control the world… they are actually true.
Our goal as Jewish people for the last 3300 years since the Revelation at Sinai has been to control the world.”

From an Israeli website:
Stalin’s Jews – We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Jewish propagandist Elie Wiesel, better known as E. Lie Weasel, whose pathetic lies about World War II have been totally debunked claims that the Jews are a superior race:
“Everything about us is different. Jews are ontologically exceptional.”

RABBI QUOTES THAT MAKE YOUR STOMACH CHURN WITH REVULSION AND REPULSION
https://concisepolitics.com/2017/09/12/rabbi-quotes-that-make-your-stomach-churn-with-repulsion/

Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them
https://www.haaretz.com/2004-10-12/ty-article/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them/0000017f-e8fe-df2c-a1ff-fefff36f0000

The late Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, former leader of Chabad Lubavitch, who was regarded by Orthodox Jews as the living Messiah, once said:

“The body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of members of all other nations of the world. Bodies of the Gentiles are in vain. An even greater difference is in regard to the soul; a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

Chabad Lubavitch is the most powerful Jewish organisation in the world, ruling the US and Russia.

Donald Trump, Chabad-Lubavitch and the Oligarchs
https://ordoabchao.ca/articles/donald-trump-chabad-lubavitch-oligarchs

Schneerson spoke of the position of the United States as a world superpower, and would praise its foundational values of “‘E pluribus unum’—from many one”, and “In God we trust.”[5]

Schneerson was visited by Presidents, Prime Ministers, Governors, Senators, Congressmen and Mayors. Notable among them are John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr., Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Jacob Javits, Ed Koch, Rudy Giuliani, David Dinkins and Joe Lieberman.[6]

In 1978, the US Congress asked President Carter to designate Schneerson’s birthday as the national Education Day USA. It has been since commemorated as Education and Sharing Day. In 1994, he was posthumously awarded the Congressional Gold Medal for his “outstanding and lasting contributions toward improvements in world education, morality, and acts of charity.”[7]

President Bill Clinton spoke these words at the ceremony:
“The late Rebbe’s eminence as a moral leader for our country was recognized by every president since Richard Nixon. For over two decades, the Rabbi's movement now has some 2000 institutions; educational, social, medical, all across the globe. We (the United States Government) recognize the profound role that Rabbi Schneerson had in the expansion of those institutions.”

In this article below a picture of Democratic Presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy with leading Rabbi Shmuley Boteach in front of a painting of the late Rabbi Menachem Schneerson.
Yes, KENNEDY has to suck up to the POWERFUL JEWS in the US.

https://twitter.com/RabbiShmuley/status/1665222140201713665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1665222140201713665%7Ctwgr%5Ec99aa35a3adb2d3259b13fd5af71ee7028d88bb3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renegadetribune.com%2Frfk-jr-is-an-anti-white-zionist%2F

ROBERT F. KENNEDY: "I SUPPORT ISRAEL" https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/robert-f-kennedy-jr-affirms-i-support-israel/

Doesn't he know that the Jews killed his father and his uncle President Kennedy?
This is another example of JEWISH POWER ruling the US.

DONALD TRUMP, CHABAD-LUBAVITCH AND THE JEWISH RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aoHALAYIq96f/

Although still in its early days, Donald Trump’s presidency is coming under fire. The Russians are alleged to be in possession of sensitive information about Trump. And that exposes Trump to blackmail. Fake news, tweets Trump: “I have nothing to do with Russia – no deals, no loans, no nothing!” Trump swears he has no ties with the Russians. But is that actually the case?

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

You write: "Certainly Mr. Wear, esteemed historian that he is, can tell the people here what was unusual, indeed unique, about Bergen-Belsen in the KZ system."

My response: I will make a few comments about Bergen-Belsen.

Bergen-Belsen was an absolute hell hole when the British liberated the camp. Probably around 10,000 dead bodies were strewn around the camp. Many inmates were in such bad shape that close to 14,000 additional inmates died under British control. The Allies filmed the horrific scenes at Bergen-Belsen, and these scenes were used to prove a German policy of extermination of the Jews.

As gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in Bergen-Belsen were caused by disease and other natural causes. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in Bergen-Belsen. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the camp at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the British troops encountered when they entered the camp.

Dr. Russell Barton, an English physician who later became an American psychiatrist, entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student on May 2, 1945. Dr. Barton’s first impression of the camp was one of horror; some inmates were dead and piled up outside the huts, others were in various stages of dying, disease and dehydration. Barton examined the camp’s well-equipped kitchens and found record books listing the food that had been cooked and distributed going back to 1942. Dr. Barton determined from his examination of the camp records that there had been no deliberate policy of starvation at Bergen-Belsen.

Dr. Barton made inquiries with inmates, including Jewish doctors, who told him that Bergen-Belsen had not been too bad until the autumn of 1944. Then, as the Russian armies were advancing, the inmates said they had been given the choice of remaining in the camps about to be overrun by the Soviets or being repatriated back to Germany. Many chose to return to Germany. As a result, from the autumn of 1944 to early 1945, some 53,000 people were moved into Bergen-Belsen, which had room for only 3,000 inmates. The overcrowding was extreme and the staff at the camp resented it. Josef Kramer, the commandant of Bergen-Belsen, and Dr. Fritz Klein, the medical doctor at the camp, didn’t know what to do with the huge influx of inmates. Dr. Barton concluded that the horrific conditions at Bergen-Belsen were attributable to overcrowding and the collapse of the German economy at the end of the war rather than to an intentional program of extermination. (Source: Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, pp. 175-176).

Dr. Barton’s testimony is consistent with statements from Violette Fintz, a Jewish woman who had been deported to Auschwitz in mid-1944, then to Dachau, and finally to Bergen-Belsen in early 1945. Fintz compared conditions in the various camps:

"Belsen was in the beginning bearable and we had bunks to sleep on, and a small ration of soup and bread. But as the camp got fuller, our group and many others were given a barracks to hold about seven hundred lying on the floor without blankets and without food or anything. It was a pitiful scene as the camp was attacked by lice and most of the people had typhus and cholera…Many people talk about Auschwitz—it was a horrible camp. But Belsen, no words can describe it…From my experience and suffering, Belsen was the worst." (Source: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p23_Weber.html).

Replies: @Andrew Mathis, @Sverigesrik T.

You write: "You didn’t answer the question. You just cut and pasted something you wrote years ago."

My response: You never asked me a question. You wrote in comment #693, "Certainly Mr. Wear, esteemed historian that he is, can tell the people here what was unusual, indeed unique, about Bergen-Belsen in the KZ system." That is not a question. What is your question?

You write: "(By the way, the idea that inmates at Belsen would be given a choice between being liberated by the Soviets or repatriated to Germany makes no sense. Belsen was *in* Germany. The people in the camp were already there. Moreover, it was unlikely the Soviets would reach the camp, which was in northwest Germany.)"

My response: Many people in Bergen-Belsen had been transferred from Auschwitz-Birkenau and other camps as the Soviet Army advanced. Anne Frank and her sister are well-known examples of this. This is why Bergen-Belsen became extremely overcrowded toward the end of the war.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Here’s another cut & paste; this is from Dr. William Pierce many years ago. It’s relevant to the Russia/German conflict; I fact checked it a few years ago; it seems accurate.

With the exception of the Pacific theater, the two primary forces in opposition in World War 2 were Europe and Jewry. The Germans fought for Europe, and the Americans, the British, the Russians, and the various Communist partisan groups fought for Jewry. Europe — and the West — lost the war, and one of the reasons we lost (though certainly not the only reason) was that the Germans just weren’t brutal enough. They were mentally and morally unprepared to wage war Jewish-style.

When the Germans encountered guerrilla opposition in France and in the occupied eastern and southeastern territories, they just couldn’t cope with it — much as Americans found themselves unable to cope with guerrillas in Indochina more recently. The Germans took hostages, and they even shot a few, but that was just what the guerrillas wanted them to do. The Germans never were able to solve the guerrilla problem, and they were obliged to devote a major portion of their military effort to it throughout the war.

The Red Army, on the other hand, had no such problem, for they knew exactly how to deal with guerrillas. They were perfectly prepared to depopulate a thousand square miles of occupied enemy territory — to kill every living thing, guerilla or otherwise — at the first sign of civilian resistance. Even in the Soviet Union itself, entire national groups (the Volga Germans, for example) who were considered to be a potential threat to the Soviet war effort were uprooted en masse and deported to Siberia — millions of people — with enormous suffering and loss of life. In Poland the Reds nipped any anti-Communist resistance in the bud by simply exterminating, in the Katyn Forest and elsewhere, practically the entire Polish officer corps, which , during wartime, comprised most of Poland’s leaders.

When the Red Army stormed into Germany they were egged on by the Soviet-Jewish propaganda commissar, Ilya Ehrenburg, who exhorted the Communist troops to use mass rape and murder as means to subduing the civilian population: Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these Germanic women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!

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You ask: "What was unusual, indeed unique, about Bergen-Belsen in the KZ system?"

My response: I don't know. Please tell us.

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

Andrew Mathis says:
“[These sorts of crude insults are not acceptable. Continue them and your other comments will get trashed.]”

A typical response from those WEARING SMALL HATS.

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The US is an outlier in this regard.
 

Replies: @Brás Cubas, @Andrew Mathis

Fran Taubman, good to see back!

Here George Carlin on your religion, Judaism. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVVo036N9OY

Replies: @Fran Taubman, @Andrew Mathis

#739 Andrew Mathis says:

“That was Unz, not me”

REALLY?...


#694 Andrew Mathis says:
July 20, 2023 at 3:58 pm GMT • 1.0 days ago

@Han

[These sorts of crude insults are not acceptable. Continue them and your other comments will get trashed.]

I knew there was something wrong with you. You better get some professional help…

Replies: @Andrew Mathis

> Most leftist-communist leaders in Germany were Jews — not all, but the majority.

That was definitely not true of the Communist Party. The Social Democrats had many Jews in their leadership, but not the KPD.

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In 1930, however, the communists tried to shout down their nazi competitors in the fairground of nationalism … by making concessions to anti-semitism. It was pointed out that there was not a single Jew on the central committee, and only one in the parliamentary party.
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— Arthur Spencer, “National Bolshevism,” Survey: A Journal of Soviet and East European Studies, October 1962, p. 145.

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While German Jews constituted a disproportionate percentage of the Weimar-era left and also of the anti-Nazi underground scene, the KPD’s Jewish membership was never very large. By some estimates there were approximately one thousand Jewish Communists in 1927 in a party of 140,000. … This would be roughly proportionate to the Jewish population of Germany at the time.
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— John M. Cox, Circles of Resistance: Jewish, Leftist, and Youth Dissidence in Nazi Germany, pp. 74, 80.

The Social Democrats had been regarded by Lenin as the main obstacle to the growth of a new revolutionary party. The piece “The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky” was his formal denunciation of the Social Democrats as the main force blocking the proletarian revolution in Germany. He saw more of a temporary common interest with the German army officers such as Hindenburg than with Karl Kautsky.

Replies: @Carolyn Yeager, @Andrew Mathis

Here’s a very well known example of mutually incomprehensible Germanic language as recent as 100 years ago... It was a total immersion month in Hessian high German. For the first 12 years of Anastasia Romanove’s life she spent a month in Hesse speaking and learning Hessian German.
 

Replies: @Carolyn Yeager, @Alden, @Andrew Mathis

Vorarlberg is a dialect so special that even the neighbouring counties in Austria, Bavaria and Lichtenstein are baffled.

Replies: @Skeptikal, @Andrew Mathis