Unfortunately, 80 % of Americans have no passports.
 

Data shows that only about one-tenth of China's 1.4 billion people hold passports, a relatively small figure. However, it is reported that Chinese travelers spent more than 120 billion U.S. dollars overseas last year, surpassing other countries.
 

Replies: @Aking

I don't need de-programming ,as I may have been to China more than you.

Comment #1 (out of 590 right now) at the top: I've been there 11 times. I know there are lot of comments on this thread, but, believe it or not, other than those of the usual Commies I recognize, I've read every one. You could at least have read the 1st one.before writing in.

The latest thing was about passports, not visas for the Kung Flu travel.

Yes, stuff like that is obligatory if you want to have western readers, otherwise those readers kind of disappear.
 

That was a hell of a good column, Fred Reed! I was waiting for your everything-China-great/everything-America-bad bit from your 2-week trip over there
 

Thats what happens when 90 % of the population believes in “news” media.
 

What evidence do you have that the Chinese govt is a vicious dictatorship that represses every one in China? What is your basis for that claim?
 

The news
 

Yep. I've been trying to raise the alarm about the (real) China for 15 years and have been censored, ridiculed, and ignored.

Now it's too late. We're far behind them and decelerating while they're ahead and accelerating.

We'll be irrelevant in 2025 but won't face the fact until 2030.

Replies: @Biff, @Aking

Shocking, isn't it, when China and even Taiwan carry news stories from the USA about "Black Lives Matter".
Now why would JAPAN want to "promote" BLACK LIVES MATTER??? Can you guess?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/12/world/black-lives-matter-protests-next/

Now why would the CCP want to promote BLACK LIVES MATTER??? Can you guess?
 

Name one country that HAS NOT been spied on by the CCP. From Cambodia to the African continent to Sri Lanka to South America proper, the CCP has been caught surveilling, hacking and stealing
 

Name one country that HAS NOT been messed up by the CIA.
From Cambodia to the African continent to Sri Lanka to South America proper, the gringos haVE been caught snooping, hacking , terrorising , assassinating and regime changing,.
 

When will glorious China take in Africans and Indians and Arabs into their Middle Kingdom? I have heard that racism is a European disease and the Chinese are very noble in this regard, let's see how they cope with the diversity.

Replies: @God's Fool, @d dan

I scrolled to "Jews" and "loyalty" in the same sentence and my phone burst into flames.

You ... distrust the loyalty of any non-Whites: Blacks, Browns, Jews and others.
 

If America spies on other countries so intensely, why can’t other countries do the same thing?

 

Finally, they do take in Africans, Indians, Arabs, on meritocratic basis, rather than on political correctness – why do you think they can do that?
 

Western/white countries, towards whom you obviously want to direct everyone's anger and grievances, actually grant real citizenship and provide enormous welfare benefits to people from the said countries (Africa, India, Middle East, etc.) And they do this on humanitarian grounds - regardless of the people's IQ score. You've somehow turned in the humanitarian immigration policy of the West (which has been to the benefit of many Chinese) into a some kind of vice or hypocrisy.

Somehow, you managed to spin things so that China, which doesn't accept any refugees or allow immigrants to become naturalized citizens, is not racist or xenophobic but rather kinder and more humane, only "meritocratic." Meanwhile, Western nations, which have accepted immigrants from Africa, the Middle East, Asia and everywhere else, allowing them to become citizens with full benefits, is just being "politically correct" and doesn't deserve any praise. But is America not "meritocratic" too? How many Chinese students study in the US? About 300,000. How many American study in China? Maybe 10,000. Google it. America certainly allows Chinese to come to the US on "meritocratic" grounds. And if Western countries do accept immigrants out of motives of "political correctness," it is because race-baiters like you continually attempt to vilify Western countries and make every issue into a race conflicts.

So when Westerners/whites are kind to non-whites, especially by allowing them to become full citizens, it is still somehow bad, done out of motives of "political correctness." Ironically, the author is trying to argue against "political correctness" so that American immigration policy can become more sensible, more like that of China's, but then you go on to condemn him for allegedly stirring racial antagonisms and in the same breath praise China for not being "political correct" but rather "meritocratic" when, in reality, you stir up racial antagonisms CONSTANTLY throughout your posts.

I wonder what you would have said to Sun Yat-sen, who, writing in the Three People's Principles, wrote the following:

Why can the statement that the doctrine of nationalism is the doctrine of the
national group be properly applied to China only, not to foreign countries? In China since
the days of Ching6 and Han,7 the country has been made up of one race; while in foreign
countries, one race may form several states or one state may comprise several different races.
 

Now the social prophets of the world are saying that in race friction lies the grave danger of another world war. The next world war, they say, will be a racial war, a war between the white nations and the yellow nations. My personal observation does not make me think so. Another war is inevitable, but it will be a class war of interracial character. The Whites will fight with the Whites and Yellow people with Yellow. It will be a war between the oppressed and the oppressors, and a war between right and might.
 

We won't bring up the Jewish issue here, because I know how scared you are to talk about that. Your whole schtick is too divert people away from that issue.

Replies: @d dan, @Malla

I won't attempt to address every point you made, but I'll try to respond to the gist of it. I appreciate the civil tone, so I'll do my best to keep it that way. I want to reply to you based on my anecdotal evidence (i.e. based on my acquaintance with a native Tibetan over the course of 10 years). I don't want the discussion to devolve into my anecdotal evidence vs. yours, since such evidence is rather arbitrary and subjective, as each side can bring up some personal experience that serves the purposes of their argument. Just the same, I'll just speak from the heart, and let Unz readers make what they will.

You don’t need testimony from disaffected expats.
 

That said, he's told me that the Chinese citizens living outside of Tibet (in other provinces) are generally hospitable because they are generally ill-informed about the politics of Tibet and are also mainly business-oriented and pragmatic. Tibet itself is under close supervision and heavily militarized. There are PLA troops present all over the place to make sure that political dissent is stifled.

You can visit and see for yourself, as 25,000,000 people do every year.
 

There is no “Tibet Problem” in China.

There is no “Tibet Problem” in Chinese politics.

There is a “Tibet Problem” in anti-Chinese political strategy.

There is a “Tibet Problem” for Tibetan followers of the Dali Lama, exiled in India.
 

Yes, the Tibetan followers of the Dali Lama are Tibetans. You are not the arbiter of who represents the Tibetans. Neither is the Chinese government. They are the arbiters of their culture and religion. The Dali Lama is the central figure of their organized religion. Whether you believe in it or not, he plays a central role in Tibetan culture (as previous Dali Lamas have for centuries). The fact that the issue is used in "anti-Chinese political strategy" has nothing to do with the validity of the people's cause. If the Chinese government doesn't like the fact that it's used in "anti-Chinese political strategy," then they should have been nicer to the Tibetans and respected their culture and religion more.

A woman friend who just came back from a visit to Lhasa told me of visiting Tibetans’ homes (she walks into people’s homes wherever she goes and, somehow, they never seem to mind) and studying their household shrines, (she has an Indian guru and is interested in such things).
 

Almost half the homes’ shrines were devoted to the current Dalai Lama, some to earlier Dalai Lamas, and the rest had shrines to Mao Tse Tung. When she asked about the Mao shrines, the old folk explained that he had liberated them or their parents from slavery and, by so doing, had done more for them than anyone else, ever.
 

As far as your arguments about economic development go - that is true to an extent - naturally, as China's economy has grown, so would that of Tibet. But what you don't seem to tell people is the high numbers of Han Chinese who have moved into Lhasa and Tibet. So, yes, it's growing economically, but that's also due to the fact that Chinese citizens are making it nicer for themselves. Has the economic condition of rural Tibetans improved vs those of city-dwellers? That's another question.

More importantly, what doth it profit a man to gain the world yet forfeit his soul? Does economic development matter if you've lost your culture and country? Would you tell Chinese in the 1930s that 东北 under Japanese occupation had the highest GDP of all provinces in China? By your logic, why not let Imperial Japan control China and run the economy if that's all that matters to you.

What would you find if you polled Native Hawaiians, Lakota Indians or Australian Aborigines on whether they want their territories to be independent states?
 

Only rich white people’s opinions matter.
 

Replies: @Godfree Roberts

I want to add one last thing to what I said in my previous reply, just as a qualifier.

The vast majority of Han Chinese respect Tibetan people and culture, just as Tibetan people respect their Han Chinese compatriots. That has been my impression having lived in China. Most Han Chinese are pretty ignorant about the politically sensitive aspects of the Tibetan situation, but they definitely respect Tibet and its religion. It's closely connected with their history, and in that sense the Chinese are right to regard Tibet as China's "internal affairs." In fact, there was a point in time when Tibetans conquered China, so their history is very complicated, and I disapprove of the US government politicizing the conflict for its own geopolitical goals.

That being said, China has sinned as far as Tibet goes. Chinese citizens have admitted as much to me and understand on some level that they mistreated the people there. So, there is remorse on the part of Han Chinese who are "in the know," and there is forgiveness on the part of Tibetans as well. I also take issue with you accusing Tibetans of engaging in "terrorism" - obviously a very loaded term, but all the more disingenuous given the peaceful nature of their religion. It has echoes of 政治分子， which many Chinese government hardliners will use to delegitimize dissidents.

What makes me upset, Godfree, is how you approach this issue from a somewhat dogmatic position. Chinese citizens (in China at least) are not dogmatic about this. If they are confronted with an adversarial foreigner who is arguing in bad faith, then they might be defensive. But if foreigners know the facts about Tibet, then Chinese generally admit where they've gone wrong and are candid enough to just admit that they are not perfect. It's only if you make very lurid and grossly exaggerated claims and are obviously just interested in demonizing China that Chinese will get upset with you.

I'll admit, I'm kind of afraid bring this up here with you, but I think Tibetans have a cause that deserves to be heard and respected.

Replies: @Lin, @Godfree Roberts

Our own ambassador
 

Replies: @an0n

Migrant birds and domestic birds are of different feathers........are there local birds there all year long, before the migrants arrive, pass through, then return, then leave again?

Replies: @Erebus

Try not to react to Godfree Roberts.

He is part of a group of ostensibly "pro-China" commenters on Unz (the others being d dan, denk, Tor597, showmethereal, Aking, etc.) who tout a "pro-China" position but whose comment histories, upon close examination, are mostly consistent with politically-correct, anti-White establishment narratives that avoid any mention of Zionist or Jewish influence in Sino-American relations.

Don't get sucked into their psy-op. It designed to stir up racial antagonism and hatred between whites and Chinese while avoiding any mention of Jews/Zionism. They could be Jewish, it's hard to say. They certainly don't ever expose their true identities. What matters is that they frequently use buzzwords like "white supremacy" and "white nationalists," attempting to portray anti-China forces in the West as being due to "white nationalism" or "white supremacy."

Remember, Chinese people are great, and China is a great nation. The "Godfree Roberts" gay-op is not about defending China, though. Their support for China is fake and gay and is really all about hating on Whitey.

In order of most intelligent to most grug, I would rank them as follows:

(1) Godfree Roberts
(2) d dan
(3) Tor597
(4) showmethereal, aking
(5) Deep Thought

There could be a high degree of overlap among these accounts - at the very least, they seem to demonstrate a certain degree of coordination. You will see these accounts frequently attack people in the name of "defending China" when they really want to direct attention away from Zionist Jews and stir up antagonism between white people and Chinese. They've engaged in coordinated attacks on me for mentioning Einstein's racism against Chinese, the Jewish opium trader David Sassoon, and the Jewish/Bolshevik influence in the CCP.

Replies: @Wizard of Oz, @d dan, @TJM, @denk, @vot tak

What a comment --must be an American like Mike Pompeo Bible on desk and initials are JC like the original "blue eyed" JC who was traded in by Pilate for Barabbas?? "We want Barbbas" --he was a thief among other things. Where in the devil is H L Mencken when a person needs a sharp rebuttal ? The Hollow Men in DC pulling levers --for November 3 ??

I confess that I have not read this article entirely. I gott past Fuerle. One thought throughout my reading exist. There are no longer pure races (maybe Asians). But Europeans and blacks have been reproducing together for a long time, like Jefferson with Sally Hemmings and her off spring. You can see this amongst blacks like Obama. White features with brown skin as opposed to some black blacks, with very negroid features. So where do you draw the genetic line, between Erectus and Sapiens.
 

So Fran, why is Israel so particular about who enters "their" nation? Why is bloodline so important to Jews? I thought being Jewish had to do with religion and not race or bloodline. Why then is Israel so racist against African Jews? Do you think Israel should embrace diversity and multiculturalism? Do you think the nation of Israel treats its Palestinian citizens and others like second class citizens? Hey, Fran, why was a fictional book about a love affair between a Palestinian man and an Israeli woman banned in Israel?

Replies: @Fran Taubman

The entire subject of race is a mixed bag and whatever conclusions these writers came to with regards to genetics of blacks vs. white. You cannot go back to a pure race life. You cannot. We all have to learn to live together rationally. Dominating one race is not acceptable. In the end we will all look like the starship of Enterprise all races working in the helm together. Some being pilots some being technicians.
 

I have seen sickening behavior from WN as kind of goons, walking around with big guns wanting to dominate everyone in site.
 

Maybe what you say is true for America but still most Africans are black and most Europeans are white so the mixed races are still a small minority.

But it is the racists of the past that have been most responsible for the mixed races as well as for the large number of blacks in America, and not the modern day liberals. Not content just with importing blacks from Africa, many of whom died in the ocean crossing, the slave owners set up slave stud farms to breed yet more slaves to sell on the slave markets and increase their profits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeding_of_enslaved_people_in_the_United_States

Octaroon females were especially favoured as they brought the highest price when sold into sex slavery, and to breed them it was the white slavemasters that had to copulate with the black slaves repeatedly over several generations. Furthermore they had to start with especially young slave girls who just reached puberty to generate those pricey octaroons as rapidly as possible. Of course in the process many more half-caste, quadroon and octaroon males were bred. The slave owners were exceptionally vile since these mixed races bred on their stud farms that they sold into slavery were their own children. And they were not only only mating with extremely young under-age girls, they were also practicing incest, since to breed an octaroon quickly, the slavemasters would have had to mate with their own half-caste and quadroon offspring, although they may have allowed non-related friends to participate in the breeding activities on these stud farms. Think about that for a while? Nice people those slave owners, eh? And how far behind those slaveowners were their white wives? I suppose if some mixed race baby happened to be born it was just added to those on the stud farms with nobody the wiser for it. Why throw away something that was profitable? And if they worried about their reputation, they could just declare that the baby was stillborn while the maid took it away to the slave quarters on the stud farms. So if you want to blame someone for the racial demographics of present day America it is those racist slave owners of the past that you have to look to and not the liberals of recent times.

And where do you think that entire race of "coloureds" in South Africa came from? Just sprung out of thin air did it? And those white South Africans responsible for all that race mixing in earlier times weren't known for being liberal but in fact extremely racist. Perhaps Apartheid was introduced to prevent this race mixing (although obviously not openly acknowledged) but it didn't seem to help much so they got rid of it in the end.

Hypocrisy is the word that springs to mind.

Replies: @Malla

"You cannot go back to a pure race life. You cannot. "

Every single non-white nation seems to be doing pretty good in keeping their races not just pure but dominant in their own nations.

Just because the american negro is a mongrel race with up to 20% white blood, the reverse isn't true. Most American whites are about as pure as you can get. Your own people however are extremely mixed with European, Arab, Black and Central Asian genes mixed together. By constantly harping on how all races are mixed already and the only pure race is the east asian, you are projecting your wish that whites were as mixed as the jews. Ain't gonna happen, most whites will always marry whites contrary to the dreams of yourself and the Coudenhoves of the world.

In the end we will all look like the starship of Enterprise all races working in the helm together. Some being pilots some being technicians.
 

Replies: @Fran Taubman

But I have seen sickening behavior from WN as kind of goons, walking around with big guns wanting to dominate everyone in site. I do not see this group as being superior in any way.
 

Or are we again finely parsing the difference, whatever it takes as long as it comes out in Jewish favor?

The entire subject of race is a mixed bag
 

But given your political and racial interest in assuring us that it is a mixed bag, I understand the sentiment.

Race can be easily determined when not by sight then by one of the simplest genetic tests that will indicate a clear boundary even within the context of those with White skin.

You cannot go back to a pure race life. You cannot.
 

Moreover, we don't take dictation from Jews that is laden with their racial interest in living with us and having access to both our genetics and our other products.

We all have to learn to live together rationally.
 

Dominating one race is not acceptable.
 

In the end we will all look like the starship of Enterprise all races working in the helm together. Some being pilots some being technicians.
 

This is a cycle and it moves slow and will continue to move slow with seemingly large events that will continue to move it forward in-between the gradual movements.

But we are already in the end period, as indicated by certain firm conditions that have been present for several decades now and are more specific and concrete than even most interested people will identify aside from your better Orthodox Rabbis, to start.

But don't worry, this may slowly drag on at least past our lifetimes. This will proceed with a whimper until it doesn't. Sloth is its primary talent. It hides it.

In the end, we will separate and the cycle will start again. But you will be in your cage for a long, long time before you work your way out again as we rebuild everything.

Read your books. Or read our books. But read a book.

There are no longer pure races (maybe Asians).
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Black behavior of extremist today is insane these days. Kneeling to a support black protestors, after a career criminal has been killed
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In the end we will all look like the starship of Enterprise all races working in the helm together. Some being pilots some being technicians.

This is a truly hilarious post from a deluded egalitarian.

Once Blacks stop their crazy behavior they can get on board the SS Equality but they might not be captains. Regardless we will zoom around the galaxy and prove you Bad Whites wrong. Asians might have their own starfleet at some point but we will still be right somehow about race.... ???

Real convincing stuff. I like how you don't envision full equality on this future spaceship and give a pass to Asians. Reveals your true expectations.

So did egalitarians of the 1960s imagine a future 2020 where liberals had lowered their expectations of equality and Blacks burned down buildings over career criminals?

I honestly think the liberals of 60s had stronger arguments when they weren't aware of how wrong they would end up being.

Asia is a continent, not a race. Are East Indians, "Asians?" Try Oriental next time.

Replies: @geokat62