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Let’s try a little thought experiment. Just for fun. To pass the time while we’re indefinitely locked down inside our homes, compulsively checking the Covid-19 “active cases” and “total death” count, washing our hands every twenty minutes, and attempting not to touch our faces.

Before we do, though, I want to make it clear that I believe this Covid-19 thing is real, and is probably the deadliest threat to humanity in the history of deadly threats to humanity. According to the data I’ve been seeing, it’s only a matter of days, or hours, until nearly everyone on earth is infected and is either dying in agony and alone or suffering mild, common cold-like symptoms, or absolutely no symptoms whatsoever.

I feel that I need to state this clearly, before we do our thought experiment, because I don’t want anyone mistakenly thinking that I’m one of those probably Russian-backed Nazis who are going around saying, “it’s just the flu,” or who are spreading dangerous conspiracy theories about bio-weapons and martial law, or who are otherwise doubting or questioning the wisdom of locking down the entire world (and likely triggering a new Great Depression) on account of the discovery of some glorified bug.

Obviously, this is not just the flu. Thousands of people are dying from it. OK, sure, the flu kills many more than that, hundreds of thousands of people annually, but this Covid-19 virus is totally new, and not like any of the other millions of viruses that are going around all the time, and the experts are saying it will probably kill, or seriously sicken, or briefly inconvenience, millions or even billions of people if we don’t lock down entire countries and terrorize everyone into submission.

Which, don’t get me wrong, I’m all for that … this is not the time to be questioning anything the corporate media and the authorities tell us. This is a time to pull together, turn our minds off, and follow orders. OK, sure, normally, it’s good to be skeptical, but we’re in a goddamn global state of emergency! Idris Elba is infected for Chrissakes!

Sorry … I’m getting a little emotional. I’m a big-time Idris Elba fan. The point is, I’m not a Covid-denialist, or a conspiracy theorist, or one of those devious Chinese or Russian dissension-sowers. I know for a fact that this pandemic is real, and warrants whatever “emergency measures” our governments, global corporations, and intelligence agencies want to impose on us.

No, I’m not an epidemiologist, but I have a close friend who knows a guy who dated a woman who dated a doctor who personally knows another doctor who works in a hospital in Italy somewhere, and she (i.e., my friend, not the doctor in Italy) posted something on Facebook yesterday that was way too long to read completely but was a gut-wrenching account of how Covid-19 is killing Kuwaiti babies in their incubators!

Or maybe it was Italian babies. Like I said, it was too long to read.

Also, did you see the story about the baby that was born infected?! Or the stories about the people in their 30s and 40s who were more or less in perfect health (except for, you know, cancer or whatever) who died from (or with) the Covid plague?! And what about all those charts and graphs?! And those pictures of people in hazmat suits?! And those Italians singing Turandot on their balconies?! Doesn’t that just make you want to break down and cry over the sheer humanity of it all?!

No, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Covid-19 is the deadliest global pandemic humankind has ever faced, and that we have no choice but to cancel everything, confine everyone inside their home, wreck the entire global economy, force working class people even further into debt, pour trillions into the investment banks, cancel elections, censor the Internet, and otherwise implement a global police state.

But what if it wasn’t? Just hypothetically. What if this wasn’t the deadliest global pandemic humankind has ever faced? (I’m just posing the question as a thought experiment, so please don’t report me to the WHO, or the CDC, or FEMA, or whoever.) What if this new coronavirus was just another coronavirus like all the other coronaviruses that people die from (or with) all the time? What if the fact that this one is “new” didn’t really mean all that much, or possibly anything at all, because coronaviruses are always mutating, and every year there are a lot of new variants?

Relax, OK? I know this one is different, and totally unlike anything ever encountered by virologists in the history of virology. Remember, this is just a thought experiment. These are just hypothetical questions.

Here’s another hypothetical question. What if all the scary statistics we’ve been seeing (e.g., the death rates, the explosion of “cases,” etc.) weren’t unquestionable scientific facts, but rather, were, like other statistics, based on things like sample groups, and dependent on a host of factors and variables, which you kind of need to know to make sense of anything?

Say, for example, you tested everyone that died of acute respiratory failure on a given day in your Italian hospital, and you discovered that, let’s say, five of those patients had been infected with Covid-19. So you feed that number to the WHO, and they add it to the “total deaths” count, regardless of whether the folks who died had terminal cancer, or heart disease, or had also been infected with the common flu, or some other type of coronavirus. That would probably skew your “death” count, wouldn’t it?

Or, say you wanted to test for the virus to keep track of all the “active cases” and generate an infection rate, but you can’t test hundreds of millions of people, because no one has that many tests So, you test everyone who turns up sick, or thinks they’re sick and demands to be tested, or who touched someone sick who you already tested (though you’re not even sure that your test is accurate) and you come up with, let’s say, ten positive results. So you feed that number to the WHO, and they add it to the “active cases” count, regardless of the fact that everyone knows the real number is likely twenty times higher.

OK, so now you take your “active cases” number and your “total deaths” number and you do the math (keeping in mind that your “total deaths” include those cancer and heart failure people), and you end up grossly underestimating your “infection rate” and “active cases,” and grossly overestimating your “death rate” and the number of “total deaths.”

Just hypothetically, you understand. I am not suggesting this is actually happening. I certainly don’t want to get censored by Facebook (or accidentally censored by some totally innocuous technical glitch) for posting “Covid misinformation,” or tempt the Wikipedia “editors” to rush back to my Wikipedia page and label me a dangerous “conspiracy theorist” … or, you know, get myself preventatively quarantined.

It probably won’t come to that anyway, i.e., rounding up “infected persons,” “possibly infected persons,” and “disruptive” and “uncooperative persons,” and quarantining us in, like, “camps,” or wherever. All this state of emergency stuff, the suspension of our civil rights, the manipulation of facts and figures, the muzzling of dissent, the illegal surveillance, governments legislating by decree, the soldiers, the quarantines, and all the rest of it … all these measures are temporary, and are being taken for our own good, and purely out of an “abundance of caution.”

I mean, it’s not like the global capitalist empire was right in the middle of a War on Populism (a war that it has been losing up to now) and wanted to take this opportunity to crank up some disaster capitalism, terrorize the global public into a frenzy of selfish and irrational panic, and just flex its muscles to remind everybody what could happen if we all keep screwing around by voting for “populists,” tearing up Paris, leaving the European Union, and otherwise interfering with the forward march of global capitalism.

No, it certainly isn’t like that. It is an actual plague that is probably going to kill you and your entire family if you don’t do exactly what you’re told. So, forget this little thought experiment, and prepare yourself for global lockdown. It probably won’t be so bad … unless they decide they need to run the part of exercise where it goes on too long, and people get squirrelly, and start rebelling, and looting, and otherwise not cooperating, and the military is eventually forced to deploy those Urban Unrest Suppression Vehicles, and those Anti-Domestic-Terror Forces, and …

OK, I’m getting all worked up again. I’d better take my pills and get back to Facebook. Oh, and … I should probably check up on Idris! And see if Berlin has gone to “Level 3,” in which case I’ll need to find whatever online application I need to fill out in order to leave my house.

C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and political satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing and Broadway Play Publishing, Inc. His dystopian novel, Zone 23, is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. Volume I of his Consent Factory Essays is published by Consent Factory Publishing, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Amalgamated Content, Inc. He can be reached at or

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  1. g8way says:

    This sobering analysis has changed my mind about licking a public toilet seat, before I’ve washed it with soap for 20 seconds.

    • LOL: Crazy Horse
    • Replies: @The Grim Joker
    , @Richard B
  2. Thanks C.J.! Your “thought experiment” is something we’ve been wanting to ask for the last week. If COVID-19 turns out to be another overblown and exaggerated crisis (call it Y2-20K) will the younger generation ever forgive the older one or ever take them seriously again? Because right now it seems like we destroyed what was left of our economy (and our retirement accounts) to save a few hundred Baby Boomers who couldn’t give up smoking or picking their nose.

  3. Tom Verso says:

    You were born to late. In the early 20th Century you would have been the greatest Vaudeville stand up comic. Forget about Will Rogers. I had to stop reading from time to time because I was laughing so hard!

    This piece is a ‘cool drink’ of water in the mass media desert of ideas.

    Thank you!

  4. mh505 says:

    Simply brilliant

  5. Stick says:

    CJ, our minds think alike. My take is Globalism Inc is doing it’s all to scare us back into line. This seems like their Thermopylae. If they don’t win they will crush our retirement plans.

    Who knew the fifth horseman of the apocalypse would be a drooling fool waving toilet paper on his lance?

    • Replies: @Herald
  6. @Blue Juice

    Not many people over 65 will agree with you and C.J.. This is perfectly understandable. I am surprised however by the seeming willingness on the part of the young to sacrifice their parents and grandparents. The kind of “boomer” hatred that you express has been evident since well before the pandemic. But “to save a few hundred Baby Boomers who couldn’t give up smoking or picking their nose” takes it to another level.

    In the Anglo-sphere our ruling class tends to be old, white or Jewish, rich and corrupt. Very few boomers are members of the ruling class. Your hatred is so obviously miss directed that I must question your native intelligence.

    Doing nothing would quickly destroy the old and the weak and would do less damage to the young and the strong. Doing nothing might or might not be the best policy decision. But policy decisions are not made by boomers or zoomers. They are made by the ruling class.

  7. Alfa158 says:

    The one thing about Covid that may prove valuable, is that it is a good stress test for dealing with an epidemic that actually would be a threat to civilization. Instead of being a disease that kills a small portion of the population, and most of them old parasites like myself, this could have been a new smallpox or bubonic plague with the same contagion rates as Covid, but a fatality rate that runs closer to 50%, and affects people of all ages.
    It seems possible that with an exploding global population living in crap-holes, drugs that enhance the virulence and resistance of pathogens, and open borders, that scenario could develop. After this outbreak there will a mentality to react quickly to new epidemics and possibly escape having every place look like a set from The Walking Dead.

  8. peterAUS says:

    Compliments to the author.

    Rare voice of (alt) reason in all this around us. Therapeutic, but irrelevant.

    All the rest got in the step with MSM/TPTBs. Authors and…ahm…”thinkers” I mean.
    The masses…..

    Still, perhaps, there is some hope.
    At the moment all this circus is simply inconveniencing the proles. A bit of circuses got affected but not really breads. And that is what this exercise is, IMHO, all about.
    The BIG “correction”.

    “We”, O.K. some of “us”, have been talking (when allowed, naturally…..) about SHTF and the 2.nd.
    Well…..maybe the test is coming sooner than we thought.

    Oh, BTW, I have a feeling “we” will fail that test as we failed this one , miserably, so far.

  9. Is the pandemic a fuck up or has it been done intentionally? Or both? All I know is what I read on the internet. Could it be an act of war against China? Could it be a plot by “globalists” to shrink the global population?

    Whether it’s a conspiracy or an accident the virus will be blamed for the crash of the global economy which was already crashing due to larceny unleashed by neoliberalism. Just a coincidence I suppose.

    • Agree: mh505
    • Replies: @hetro
  10. TG says:

    I see your point. But the bottom line is that we just don’t know what’s going on, not really. Sure the party line is at its best marginally connected to reality – that doesn’t mean I believe it, it doesn’t mean I disbelieve it, I just don’t know. And neither does anyone else on this blog.

    However: “the global capitalist empire was right in the middle of a War on Populism (a war that it has been losing up to now)”. “Losing?” With respect, do you live on another planet?

    But as far as “Disaster Capitalism” – yeah, I get you there. I predict that a lot of what’s going to happen in the United States is going to be a lot like what’s happened in Afghanistan and Iraq. So we send in these contractors, they are supposed to do something like build a water treatment plant. A billion dollars gets spent, and somehow instead of a functioning water treatment plant there are a couple sheds and some rusty pipes out in the desert – but the contractors made boatloads of cash. Obviously we need to spend more!

    So one problem in the United States is that our wonderful capitalist system has outsourced all our production to communist China. We don’t have the tests for coronavirus, we don’t have the reagents, we don’t have the entire infrastructure to produce any of this. So the Congress will throw billions of dollars at big Pharma in ‘public-private partnerships’, and big Pharma will just soak up that cash and start like charging $10,000 per test, still made in China, and we still won’t have any domestic capacity, or enough tests, and the pundits will be screaming that we aren’t spending enough…

    And Boeing just finished spending something like 40 billion dollars buying back its stock and boosting stockholders and executives because capitalism. Now the cupboard is bare, and these proud capitalists are demanding that Congress just give them – you guessed it – 40 billion dollars. And they keep their profits and keep ownership of the company.

    What, you lost your job and want a bailout? What are you, a socialist?

    Yes, I think we can all agree that there’s going to be a lot of money to be made in this (real or hyped) crisis. Just not by you and me.

    And then there will be the intrusion of medical surveillance into our (non-emergency) daily lives… Yeah, that will be fun too.

  11. Good thinking. Especially:

    and you end up grossly underestimating your “infection rate” and “active cases,” and grossly overestimating your “death rate” and the number of “total deaths.”

    But if it scares the politicians and others into thinking that globalism is not such a good idea, I’m all for it.

    Oh, and if you’re taking all those measures: constantly washing your hands, not touching your face, not going out … too late now – you should have started doing it when you first heard about Wuhan going into lock-down instead of trusting the government to tell you what, when, where, and how. Tough shit, as they say.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @Wally
  12. Love ya, CJ. Love ya! I’m just gonna have to put all these corona-satire posts I’ve been reading lately on my blog…well, my other blog (not my author blog)… between you and John Rappaport….

  13. @Blue Juice

    CJ Hopkins is a “boomer” as you so quaintly and intelligently (your generation are so quaint and intelligent) denominate them.

  14. I like how he talks about how they really really really get mad at you if you are skeptical. Even the radical alt-righters. Even the radical alt-lefters. Plus the normal Democrats and Republicans. And the mighty, swell-headed, sword-wielding child prodigy, Anatoly Karlin.

  15. Oh, and you could have DIY’d your own Hazmat suit out of some bin liners and masking tape and stuck a couple of cigarette filters up your nostrils when going out. Why do you need the government to always tell you what to do? So if they laughed at you on the street, so what? Who’s laughing now? And watch out for those Nazis in uniform! They’re always Nazis even if Germany isn’t National Socialist.

    And school is out for a few weeks or months. They can study online or home school, so make it forever:

  16. @TG

    So one problem in the United States is that our wonderful capitalist system has outsourced all our production to communist China.

    That is a popular misconception. Taiwan was a recipient long before the PRC, and Japan before that. Virtually every SE Asian country has been involved at some point. Even Mexico has been in on the game. The PRC, understands the nature of finance capitalism, and has been, to paraphrase Lenin, selling them the rope that is being used to hang them. Apparently some woke up.
    The current “crash” or “market correction” was predicted to be imminent more than 6 months ago. What was needed was an excuse. The pandemic provided the excuse. Warren Buffet just bought a big chunk of Delta Airlines.
    Yes this will set China back, but finance capital is busy arranging the biggest wealth transfer in history for itself, and we will be the losers once again. As long as Greenspan’s “complex financial instruments” – the derivatives WMD – exist, the scam will repeat itself time after time..
    When the scam blows over, it will be time to look for another low wage country willing to sell out, but it must be much less astute than China.

  17. melpol says:

    Deaths of those over 80 are a service to the homeless. Most of those geezers occupy two bedroom apartments. Coffins are often made of precious wood. A suggestion is to place the dead geezer in a canvas bag filled with rocks and dump the bag at sea. Covid-19 was sent by God to replace the old and wrinkled with beautiful appearing youngsters.

  18. @Blue Juice

    Because right now it seems like we destroyed what was left of our economy (and our retirement accounts) to save a few hundred Baby Boomers who couldn’t give up smoking or picking their nose.

    The reality is that there are a greater percentage of immuno-compromised people under the age of 60 that at any other time in history. Cancer rates for those people are through the roof, as are a multitude of other diseases such as diabetes, gluten intolerance, lupus, and MS. Old people die of the flu, irrespective of type, because they are immuno-compromised, not because they are old and smoke. It is true smokers tend to be more compromised, which currently translates into more young women than men, unlike “boomers”, but not all are immuno compromsed.
    As for destroying what was left of the economy, just what is left? Even farming has become a big piece of finance capitalism and globalization.

    • Replies: @Liza
    , @Jeff Davis
  19. Tusk says:
    @Blue Juice

    Because right now it seems like we destroyed what was left of our economy (and our retirement accounts) to save a few hundred Baby Boomers who couldn’t give up smoking or picking their nose.

    Well it would be the boomers stock that tanked, and if the real estate bubble bursts, also their investment properties. Tanking the economy is a good thing because it’s fraudulent and overinflated to a cancerous level. I have no idea what the elites are doing but the breakdown of the parasitic financial system should be considered a godsend.

    • Replies: @Anon
  20. SteveK9 says:

    A lot of us thought it was nothing special, until Italy. That has not happened every year … I think we would have noticed.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  21. @Blue Juice

    “we destroyed what was left of our economy ”

    Da fuq y’all do that for? Well at least somebody is confessing to destroying the economy. I’m just glad it wasn’t one of my fellow Boomers who done it.

  22. @Alfa158

    After this outbreak there will [be] a mentality to react quickly to new epidemics and possibly escape having every place look like a set from The Walking Dead.

    I doubt it. It seems pretty clear that although most people are fucking imbeciles, they eventually work out when they’re being duped.

    Once the dust settles, a significant number of people who gave the benefit of the doubt to Governments Who Cried Wolf again, will look at the final numbers and realise that they’ve been had.

    At the margin, new cynics are generated by each period of Northern-flu-season “ZOMFG The Sky Is Falling – DO WHAT WE SAY OR EVERYONE’S FUCKED” political histrionics.

    One or two more times, and the set of people rolling their eyes and calling ‘bullshit’ as a default, will extend all the way down to the 3rd cognitive quintile.

    Distrust of government is more prevalent now than it’s been at any time in my entire life – which is why the peak-parasites have deployed holders of politico-medical sinecures to ‘project the propaganda’.

    A very large proportion of people still trust peak medical representatives, even though direct medical error is the third-largest cause of death in the West.

    (What doctor wants to be a ‘peak’ representative? Not an honest one. When confronted by such a ‘spox‘, always ask: who wants that job?)

  23. unit472 says:

    Like Mr. Hopkins am I layman on epidemiology. There are real professionals at this who know both the math and the medicine. The arithmetic is rather simple and straightforward for infectious viruses for which a population has NO immunity. Something like 60 percent of the people exposed will get ir if no efforts to suppress or contain it are taken. Could be a bit more or a bit less but 60% is assumed. Some will be asymptomatic and lets be generous and say half. So 30% of the population will get the full blown disease and half of them will require hospitalization. That’s 15% needing medical care.

    Mortality rates are hard to get a fix on because so many cases are unresolved or the data inputs are unreliable. The cruise ship is Diamond Princess the best source we have because we know the numbers. 3500 people left on the ship, 2500 passengers ( half over 70) and 1200 crew. The ship was notified on January 30 that a passenger who disembarked in Hong Kong for medical treatment on January 25 had tested positive. The ship made a sightseeing day stop in Okinawa on February 1. Sometime between that stop and February 3 the passengers were confined to their rooms. On February 3 rd the ship made an emergency return to Yokohama and arrived on February 4 with everyone quarantined and subject to daily medical examination. Those testing positive were removed and hospitalized. Best possible surveillance and medical care!

    What do we know? Over 20% were positive and hospitalized. 15 or so still critical. 7 have died despite best possible medical surveillance and care. The United States has a population about 100,000 times that of the Diamond Princess with no chance we can give the same sort of medical scrutiny and hospital care as those on board got. Think 20% of the US population getting sick enough to require hospitalization and 1% dying over 60 days is a joke? An invention?

  24. @SteveK9

    What Italy needs now is one of those earthquakes it sometimes gets but a little higher up on the Richter scale that kills a few thousand in one go, to put things in perspective. What good will self-isolation and distancing do them then? Just because there is a pandemic of a more severe flu it doesn’t mean other natural calamities can’t strike. People have just gone soft, sending medical staff home because they were in contact with a severe flu victim. During cholera epidemics doctors and volunteers used to work until they dropped dead to be replaced by others with bodies piling up in the streets. Sure, medical staff should take precautions but some of these measures are just too ridiculous. How did medical services manage to cope with thousand of injured each day in the past but they can’t cope with this? And in America too with all those hurricanes and tornadoes, what will they do then? Just sit in their homes counting their toilet rolls?

    • Replies: @SteveK9
  25. It’s just a matter of time, CJ, before they get even you on board with the programme ….

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  26. @unit472

    Seven dead out out 3500 people on the boat total is a death rate of 0.002%; and if twenty percent of the total actually fell ill, then it’s a case fatality rate of 1%. That’s still lower than your average flu!

    What’s causing hospital overcrowding is all the media-generated hysteria driving everybody with a sniffle to run to the emergency room at once. Unless those people are in a high-risk category (over 75, chronic respiratory ailments, etc.), they’d be much better off just staying home, resting, and eating some chicken soup.

  27. @Digital Samizdat

    Another point I left out is: what percentage of these cruise passengers were over 75? Cruises are kind of known for skewing old. The older people are, the more likely they are to: a.) get infected; b.) require hospitalization; c.) die.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @Binks007
  28. @ Digital Samizdat

    Seven dead out out 3500 people on the boat total is a death rate of 0.002%

    That should be 0.2%, i.e. 7/3500 = 0.002 x 100 = 0.2%

    The 1% fatality rate is correct for those who had contracted the virus (700).

    • Replies: @Anon
  29. @Digital Samizdat

    The cruise ship case is a good example of why not to quarantine.

  30. SteveK9 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Another piece of perspective. About 100 people have died so far in the US of Covid-19. 7,500 people die in the US … every day. So, about 20 minutes worth.

    I know an epidemic can grow rapidly, but …

    Oh, and zero new cases in China yesterday.

    In France you are supposed to get a note from the authorities, with 5 acceptable reasons only … to leave your house! Heavy fines if you are queried by the Gestapo (I mean Police) and don’t have your ‘papers’ in order. ‘Jupiter’ is very happy for this opportunity … he may finally be able to lock up all the yellow vests. You can not talk to a neighbor now in France or have your kids play with theirs.

    Here in NH there is literally no place in the State where you can sit down and have a cup of coffee in public. What’s next? When they close the beaches this summer … I’ll be ready for some civil disobedience.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Hegar
  31. unit472 says:

    I mentioned that half the passengers were over 70. The Diamond Princess was a quarantined population that was medically screened daily from February 4. Passengers and crew were removed and hospitalized as they became infected. You cannot do that in the real world which is why hospitals will get overwhelmed. What will happen is people will get sick and when they feel really bad they will present themselves to the hospital. Also, Japan , during this time was not experiencing the pandemic and thus had plenty of hospital capacity and fresh staff to treat the 715 cases as they were taken from the ship.

  32. @SteveK9

    One thing I know is that those goons in uniform, the cops and soldiers, are not your friends. They did nothing for so many years to protect the borders from millions of undocumented infiltrators and now we’re suppose to think they care for the citizens.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  33. @WorkingClass

    Hey, I’m in my 60s and I agree with CJ. Seriously, if we weren’t faced with all these idiot closures and quarantines, I would change absolutely nothing about my daily routine. Maybe not shake hands, maybe not go on a cruise. Otherwise nothing. If I get it, I’ll probably get over it (97%). I have no right to demand they crash the global economy to protect my life.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Thanks: Liza
  34. @obwandiyag

    Karlin does tend to be a black-piller, doesn’t he?

  35. @Fidelios Automata

    But these measures will not protect your life; far from it. The measures taken act to threaten even more public health and the health of the elderly. Self-isolation means less fresh air, sunshine, and outdoor exercise, less access to nutritious fresh foodstuffs, less access to medical services when needed, less necessary social interaction for those who have a need for it, and greater stress, worry and fear. So if the corvonavirus doesn’t kill you, something else which may have been preventable, could. They’re really turning this Earth into Prison Planet. We’re not even serfs and slaves now, but convicts under house arrest and without a sentence to tell us for how long so that we can at least tick off the days left to freedom on our walls. This is how little the medical authorities know and we’re supposed to trust them? But then they really work for some others above them whose interests are the only ones that count in this state of affairs.

    • Thanks: Liza
  36. @unit472

    Something like 60 percent of the people exposed will get ir if no efforts to suppress or contain it are taken.

    Says who?

    The Diamond Princess is a very good example – a floating island with 3700 people on it, who all interacted (and shared the same airconditioning system, food utensils[1], etc for weeks).

    Total deaths? 7.

    Total infections? ~700 (less than 20% of a population that was exposed in a relatively confined geography for weeks).

    As to the putative difference in CFR between Italy and the US… by Monday I’ll have solid numbers on whether the age-, sex- and comorbidity-adjusted CFRs are statistically different; bear in mind that all of these things, being estimates, have their own associated uncertainty. (FWIW: the GUI I’m building is a thing of beauty. Makes the CDC/Johns Hopkins interface look like Windows Phone).

    Lastly… don’t discount naked opportunism and avarice: the Italian authorities probably have an eye on some hitherto-undisclosed bucket of ’emergency’ money that some mob (World Bank; IMF; ECB) will dole out based on dead ‘from or with covid19′ headcount.

    [1] I’m not suggesting that they passed around one set of cutlery: I’m suggesting that the person who put the cutlery out was of unknown infection-status and infectiousness-status. Ditto the people who pawed at the fruit, picked up the awful-American-drip-coffee jug, and so forth. (Interestingly: the main carriers were food service workers on the boat – young(ish) people who were largely asymptomatic).

  37. Franz says:

    Very few boomers are members of the ruling class. Your hatred is so obviously miss directed that I must question your native intelligence.

    Relax, WK.

    Very few youngsters know how to spell Yuppie, is all.

    It’s all so simple I feel like getting it tattooed on my butt and streaking across the country. Raise awareness and all that.

    It was:

    The Red Thirties professors and politicians and $$$ passed the stick to their epigones in the 70s.

    The 70s Yups passed the stick to the same sort in the Grunge 90s.

    One little thread. Across many years. Very few people. But they control ALL the buttons.

    And to make sure we never get it, they want us all to hate each other so we never see them behind the big curtain called American culture, education, economics, and politics.

    It’s why you see the same three dozen people running for office, starring in movies, publishing books… it’s a very little club. And they pass the power only to people like them. Always.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy, Parfois1
    • Replies: @Tomislav II
  38. Liza says:

    Old people die of the flu, irrespective of type, because they are immuno-compromised, not because they are old and smoke.

    Today, the majority of old people take a shitload of prescription drugs to suppress every damn symptom of every kind – and they’ve been doing this for years. What can you expect their body to do but give up. A tiny minority, though, try to get their health back through more sensible means. And let us not forget – we have to go sooner or later.

    As to ruining what was left of the “economy” (doncha love that word; it’s just proxy for insane-level consumerism), you do have a point. The trouble is that cleaning house will bring with it the most ghastly totalitarian government. One that doesn’t give a hoot about small owner-farmers. It’s not like we as individuals are all having this spiritual rebirth, realizing the error of our ways, and the government will leave us alone to retool our lives and live properly, co-operating with others to bring a sane society about.

    In my discussions with my acquaintances/family members, I seem unable to get anyone, not a one, to consider how he himself will live/survive under a collapsed economy and/or a government unfriendly to his welfare. Always, some institution out there is gonna make it all-OK. Like mummy or daddy kissing baby’s ouchie.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @Meena
  39. nickels says:

    Sobering article.
    Now I understand why lockdown is absolutely necessary.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  40. @Fidelios Automata

    Maybe he’ll grab up his sword and challenge the virus to a fight.

    • Replies: @europeasant
  41. @Fidelios Automata

    Yesterday I hit upon a half-decent analogy that gets people thinking about costs vs benefits.

    Most people simply can’t get their head around what the economic effects are, of the current system of ‘lockdowns’ and so forth. They also don’t really understand how many deaths they’re thinking about, and how that compares to other life risks.

    So they can’t even form a heuristic about what the cost-incurred-per-years-of-life-saved is going to be.

    What they do understand a bit better, is something more linked to their everyday behaviour.

    So… the analogy is that all the bullshit being forced on us, is like setting the speed limit on all roads to 20km/hr, in order to reduce the road toll.

    It’s not a precise analogy, for a couple of reasons –

    ① it would actually reduce the road toll significantly[1] whereas the covid19 ‘threat’ is largely bullshit;
    ② the objective is slightly different for the current nonsense: it is to both reduce the total deaths, and spread them out over time.

    The analogy flicks the correct switch though.

    Every person I’ve tried it on has had their mental frame of reference shifted (N=5, all late-middle-aged women who were staunch believers that government was ‘doing the right thing’… clucking away like fucking idiots).

    People get it, because almost nobody like the fact that they are forced to slow to 40km/hr around schools.

    The 40km/hr limit near school is ostensibly to reduce child traffic fatalities near schools.

    On the face of it, that sounds like a good thing to reduce – however I can not find a single instance of a kid being killed by a car near a school, in 20 years of historical traffic fatality data for my state (the data dives age info about the decedent, plus a lat-lon for each death – which is easy to compare to school locations from a different government GIS dataset).

    The requirement to slow to 40km/hr in what would ordinarily be a 50km/hr zone, imposes near-zero economic cost (on the average trip, it’s less than the cost of ‘catching’ a single red light), so I would expect it to save even-nearer-to-zero person-years, given my iron-clad premise about government measures always costing an order of magnitude more than the thing being ‘fixed’.

    Still, it infuriates a lot of people.

    Since it has some immediate meaning for them, they can form a mental thumb-sketch of what it would mean if the entirety of every trip as limited to 20km/hr.

    For those who think that the current restrictions will have a smaller impact than setting speed limits to 20km/hr nationwide… consider that the output of entire multi-billion-dollar sectors is currently at or near zero (tourism; hospitality [cafés etc]; professional sports; film production; education) and at least 30% of workforces can’t telecommute.

    [1] Just because it would reduce the road toll to almost zero (there will still be people who have heart attacks etc while driving), it still doesn’t mean it’s a good policy.

    A systemwide 20km speed limit would cost tens of billions a year in wasted labour-hours, since all long commutes would roughly quadruple in time-taken.

    A 30-minute highway commute would take ~2 hours, so labour would attempt to shift domiciles to get trip-times down nearer to Marchetti’s Constant (~1hr max commute), which would drive up the cost of dwellings near ’employment-dense’ (industrial and commercial) zones.

    The current estimate of lost productivity due to commuting time (plus time taken to park) is already ~$10k/yr for each commuter in the US economy – but the main drag of a 20km/hr national limit would be huge increases in long-haul transportation costs; a 1000km longhaul would take several days.

    • Replies: @theMann
  42. DKs says:

    I feel like I must speak out since the blatant lies by western leaders have resulted in people becoming misinformed and drastically following the wrong advice. The only reason the leaders in the west were advocating against the wearing of masks were due to mask shortages. Numerous studies and worldwide evidence have already provided concrete proof that wearing masks protect against airborne particles, even those as small as viral particles. This study shows that a standard surgical mask protects against 89% of viral particles (bacteriophages) that were 0.02 microns in size (5x smaller than the coronavirus that are 0.1 microns).
    Make your own masks from old t-shirts.

    But if you then take an unaffected and affected person, and make sure that they were both wearing masks, this dual protection rises to a massive 98.8% of viral particles (that are 5x smaller than the coronavirus) being blocked. That’s why masks were made compulsory in China, and is one of the main reasons why Asian countries with high rates of people wearing masks have managed to pretty much flatten the curve.

    But instead of facing the problem head on like in China where they drastically ramped up production, all mask production lines were running 24/7, with even with numerous automobile and electric appliance manufacturers (BYD, GREE, to name a few) completely altering their assembly lines in order to manufacture surgical masks (5 million masks/day, not bad for a car manufacturer), most leaders in western countries have no plan, still try to rely on imports, and basically fail to address this major problem.

    Some more medical info: standard surgical masks only have a single core filter layer whereas N95 masks have multiple such layers, which provides significantly greater protection, and based on the above math, makes the risk of viral transmission become almost negligible. The reason for why these masks are said to only filter out particles of 0.5-5 microns in size, whereas coronavirus viral size is 0.1 microns, is because viral particles are unable to exist independently, requiring droplets found in sneezes and coughs to be transmitted and these droplets are roughly ~5 microns, just enough to be filtered by these masks.

    So wear a mask, make your own if you have to. They DO help (significantly), even if your country’s mostly inept leaders are telling you not to.

    • Replies: @Niebelheim
  43. Covid 19 is a hoax there is no pandemic the media propaganda campaign from event 201 with lies fake uneccesary lockdowns and slow mo tyranny in the west is a crime and unjustified any fools spewing these lies need to be eradicated as jewish freemasonic terrorists

  44. Clarkare says:

    “attempting not to touch our faces” you say….if this insanity with the toilet paper keeps up I’ll be attempting not to touch my feces. But I could. We gulf coastalite hurricane survivors have touched that and worse. Cheers!

  45. Seems to me that rather than wrecking the world’s economy, it would be better to test everyone for the virus, and make those who test positive stay home for 28 days or until we are sure they are no longer contagious.

    Also the old and weak could remain at home to be safe.

    We could continue the masks and hand washing, etc. for good measure.

  46. This article was such a disappointment.

    I don’t mean the content. I mean the author. I was 100% convinced the author of this piece was female, and all through the reading I was saying to myself, “I want to meet the girl who wrote this. I love her.”

    Then I reach the end and discover that C. J. Hopkins is a man.

    I hope there’s Karma for people who do this to me.

    • LOL: Marshall Lentini
    • Replies: @Antares
  47. US under Jewish supremacist control is a very evil nation.

    And yet Americans kvetch about China ‘hoarding’ masks. A sick nation and sick people.

  48. Johan says:

    The virus is this: modern man, Modern Faustus, with his knowledge, his obsession with calculation, calculating machines, data, infographics, facts, information, obsessed with news (dictatorship of the day). This man, machine man, empowered by technology will most likely bring about many large scale disasters in the twenty-first century. This man, technocratic man, empowered by technology, with his so called experts will keep on blasting mind viruses into the psychic ether, by means of his communication technology and obsessions. This type of man, machine man and his culture (nay, machine like system), and his incompetent but eager to rule leaders will not survive the twenty-first century anyway. His power hungry elites will continue to blast the plague into the psychic air, and seize on the population, as we have only witnessed the start of this, the latest decades. Mostly experience by people as ‘unreal’, there will follow much more of such unreal stuff. Technology empowers, and so it also empowers the destructive tendencies of man in general, it empowers also the negative qualities, so this man and his culture will meet its end through sheer collective self-destruction, through his inhumanity, the beast empowered.

  49. @Robert Dolan


    Those running this show don’t care about us, not much other than what they can use us for. After the bankruptcies and the stock markets crashing, the few rich bastards will just buy it all up dirt cheap forcing small businesses out, and the major corporations will take over even more. Post this scam or disaster (and it is a disaster for the majority) it will become even harder to survive trying to run a small business or a small farm or get a decent job. And we’ll all have less freedoms than we had before, and it brings them closer to their goal, if you believe in the Revelation chapter and verse, but even if not, you can interpret it in a different way and still see what direction it’s going and it’s pretty much the same (handing it all over to Satan, the alien lizards, or just plain greedy evil MFs).

  50. @Alfa158

    After this outbreak there will a mentality to react quickly to new epidemics and possibly escape having every place look like a set from The Walking Dead.

    If you’d like to find out how it feels to be on the set of that show, come to Russia. Every day it’s shuffling along with the dead like the Whisperers. In fact, real zombies would have more character than these wretched Soviet relics.

  51. anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    To pass the time while we’re indefinitely locked down inside our homes, compulsively checking the Covid-19 “active cases” and “total death” count

    //makes sorry face and lowers gaze//

  52. This Swiss pulmonary specialist agrees:

    • Replies: @ANZ
  53. @Robert Dolan

    Same old collective action problem: “we” can invent ideal solutions, but we, as people, can’t implement them — especially in diverse societies where people are “bowling alone”, if anyone remembers that.

    To effectively police people the way you suggest, every nation would have to copy China’s surveillance state and act accordingly against cheaters. I don’t want to live in that kind of state; I like crossing on red and pissing outside if I need to. But that comes with costs elsewhere — namely inefficient bureaucracy, and effective state and civilian response to crises.

  54. What a refreshing thread!
    (& love the attached photo!)

    @46 Ayatollah Smith

    (CJ is old enough to be your mother, or possibly your grandmother, er should he identify as a female that is)

    @44 Clarkare
    LOL again

    I perform my own little 8thought-experiment;
    everytime I hear mention of the C-word I substitute “the flu”, or if a longer more scientific appellation seems apt then “influenza C” (with apologies to said strain should C already be taken).
    Maybe I’ll call it “influenza C-J” from now on for proper perspective.

  55. “It’s just one more way of reducing your liberty and reminding you that they can fuck with you anytime they want.” George Carlin

    Carlin posthumously addresses coronavirus. Highly recommended.

    • Agree: Republic
    • Replies: @Miro23
  56. Antares says:

    We should also consider what would have happened if governments had not taken these measures. They would have lost control already.

  57. Antares says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I was 100% convinced the author of this piece was female

    Same here, every time again. Maybe something with Mary Hopkin? As a non-American I don’t know many Hopkins. But a duck search presented male Hopkins only.

  58. @Commentator Mike

    The police and soldiers most likely have their own views on things, but alas they are just following order.

    I recall in Germany, they uncovered a ‘far-right’ cell in the special forces that were planning to execute left-wing traitors and other subversives on the day social order collapses, so it not like they are all just sitting around idly and watching the degeneration.

  59. theMann says:

    The people who brought you Swine Flu ’76, The Alar scare, Zika, Global Warming (which of course, change everything), the McMartin pre-school event, and a 1000 other hysterias, are really relying upon a certain demographic to advance Totalitarianism through fear-mongering.

    And for those of you who don’t catch who I mean, I mean hysterical ninny females, who will invariably believe anything AS LONG AS IT A LIE.

    Well, there is one way to ruin their day over the current hysteria. You don’t point out the truth, that locking down healthy people in Quarantine is as imbecilic as it is illegal, or make any other rational argument. No no no, you point out that forcibly closing businesses will, of course, include Pet Stores. And with no money coming in, the owners will have to let their animals starve. So really, those of you defending lockdowns are ok with the slow starvation of millions of puppies and kittens. Shame on you.

    • Agree: Amanda
    • LOL: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @hetro
  60. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Blue Juice

    Boomers are retired, idiot.

    They don’t own the little shops and businesses that are shuttered.

    They don’t make their living driving uber or scrounging gigs or waiting tables or god help us making wedding flowers out of melted ribbon or tending bar or, that most skilled of all millennial achievements, running a cappuccino machine.

    Boomers know how to manage their day without the robot-like demands of work-get kids from daycare – microwave a cardboard box of sodium and carbohydrates, lather rinse repeat.

    Boomers know how to live with themselves without a constructed schedule and environment.
    Millennials don’t.

    A woman at Walmart freaked out for 10 min on the horror of super-lawyer mom actually spending the entire day with her kids!
    Christ Almighty! Don’t these monsters have a mute button?

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Franz
  61. @WorkingClass

    “Not many people over 65 will agree with you and C.J.”

    You obviously overdosed on the Kool Aide. Count me, age 73, on board with C.J. How do you think “people over 65 will cope with having their retirement savings wiped out with this manufactured crisis? I’d gladly take my chances with a much higher risk rate of infection/death than sit here and watch the destruction of most of the freedoms just I short time ago I was taking for granted, not to mention the financial wreckage that will be impossible to redo.

    What these guys take away, they don’t give back. Enjoy your isolation and poverty. I got a feeling it’s going to be permanent.

  62. Herald says:

    They’re scaring us hard, so that most will clamour for the new world saving vaccine, that is miraculously already beginning to surface through the bullshit.

    To call the new vaccine dodgy would almost certainly be far too kind. But anyway, roll up your sleeve at your own peril. Though the likelihood is that all the vastly overblown hype is designed to justify making the COVID-19 vaccine, as well as many others, mandatory. Bill Gates will be laughing his socks off.

  63. Franz says:

    Boomers are retired, idiot.

    They don’t own the little shops and businesses that are shuttered.

    Umm… Not this one. Not the wife. Not my pals.

    The “boomers” (and I’ll be glad when baby-talk finally goes out of style) and the still-yet-olders in the Rustbelt are still working, in shops and stores and small factories, and will continue to do so. Even when we are even older then American history’s most dazzling monument to International Finance disguised as “capitalism.” By that I mean the record number of 85-and-older members of the workforce.

    Spare a thought that should cause at least a shiver or two: We have Korean War veterans still in the workforce. One of my pals is one. Can’t afford to quit. Plenty more old vets gonna take our place some years from now.

    That’s the future unless a whole lot of worms do a whole lot of turns.

  64. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    If you mute the TV in a darkened room with the lights off and look away at a wall, you’ll see a stroboscopic light show designed to trigger immediate attention, which is does. The mind is constantly snapped to attention. Years ago the French did a brilliant study on disaster response, in which rapidly changing events are “cascaded,” locking in an emotionally determined judgment before the intellect can respond. This apparently leaves a 911-like, near-permanent antecedent ignorance resistant to disproving facts or reason and explains the manipulative hysteria characterizing every news show on TV.

    Getting away from the TV news and checking in now and then is looking into a wormhole that Dante would include in his Inferno as one of the lower levels of hell if he were writing today. I put it on yesterday and was amazed at the level of outright madness that’s generated back and forth by the talking heads and their guests, all the while they’re insisting we take them as the voice of calm in the storm. A person who cannot see this is utter madness is going mad himself.

    I put on CNN but had to turn it off after 2 minutes of listening to some genuinely vile bastard using the situation to denounce the president. CNN is what needs to be eradicated along with this virus. His guest was some woman—CNN’s chief something-or-other—telecasting, isolated, from home, and yet she was using a script. On Fox, one gal seemed near a breakdown herself from the pace of the crap she was forced to “cascade” on her audience.

    In view of the Gates Foundation’s Event 201, and this ghoul for the WHO being a former Gates water boy, I’d say that COVID may very well have been an introduced pathogen for the reason that it did have the learned-helplessness/police lockdown pre-conditioning “response” ready to roll, possibly as a trial run for the real thing that may not be far off. And it may not initially involve humans. The next time it may be an introduced livestock or crop pandemic designed to kill off beef cattle or grain crops, that’ll bring the Western world to a stop with a massive culling of humanity via the food chain.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  65. @TG

    Has anybody noticed that it’s not just test kits that are unavailable (presumably because production of those has been outsourced) but the simple stuff like butt and hand wipes or the slightly more complicated products to mass produce and distribute, like surgical masks and other protective gear? It’s interesting to see how long it takes this big heavy big ship to change course. How would this economy respond to a much more serious threat (for indeed they exist, and are aimed right at us).

  66. Aqualung says:

    Well played China/ Iran. All they had to do was shutter a couple of cities, suspend travel, build some hospitals, retire some clerics and politicians, and hype up flu deaths to get the lemmings in the west running off the cliff. We are giving more away than this common virus ever could take from us, and we are doing it because of propaganda coming from China, Iran, you tube and the MSM! They sure did weaponize it… in your minds!

  67. @DKs

    Has anybody noticed that it’s not just test kits that are unavailable (presumably because production of those has been outsourced) but the simple stuff like butt and hand wipes or the slightly more complicated products to mass produce and distribute, like surgical masks and other protective gear? It’s interesting to see how long it takes this big heavy big ship to change course. How would this economy respond to a much more serious threat (for indeed they exist, and are aimed right at us).

  68. @Blue Juice

    When I read shit that cry babies like you post, It brings a smile to my face knowing you will suffer on after us old boomers are gone. Enjoy your “Brave New World”..

  69. Saddam Hussein didn’t kill the Kuwaiti babies then but the Americans paid the price for it because the little Arab slut lied to the Congress.

    So one hopes that the COVID-19 does kill the Kuwaiti babies in incubators for real this time around … pay back should be a real bitch!

  70. Seriously, how about a little “common sense”
    Madness vs. Common Sense – CS IS LOSING

    • Thanks: Liza
  71. onebornfree says: • Website

    “In my discussions with my acquaintances/family members, I seem unable to get anyone, not a one, to consider how he himself will live/survive under a collapsed economy and/or a government unfriendly to his welfare. Always, some institution out there is gonna make it all-OK. Like mummy or daddy kissing baby’s ouchie.”

    “On most people the strain of being an independent adult weights heavily.”  The State provides a way of eliminating “the psychic burden of adulthood.”— Randolph Bourne,

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Liza
  72. Rooster1 says:

    Haha thanks for this article, this was great! You literally have grown men locked into their basements holding shotguns behind a wall of TP, thinking this is the end of the world!.. over what will turn out to be, just a bad flu season.

    In the coming weeks you’re going to see mass use of Chloroquine on the most severe cases, thus reducing the death rate greatly. This will be a blow to the MSM who’ve been hyping this as Armageddon; watch for them to change their tactics and only hype new and total cases, not death rates.

    • Replies: @Liza
  73. If this “panicdemic” wasn’t threatening to bring down the world economy, maybe I could have a good laugh with C.J. It’s all by design, just as the chartering of our third and current central bank was(for all you millennial’s and Gen X,Y,and Z, that was long before any “boomer”)in 1913.
    This is just another old “saw bones” assuring us this is Bull Shit..

  74. onebornfree says: • Website

    “If you mute the TV in a darkened room with the lights off and look away at a wall, you’ll see a stroboscopic light show designed to trigger immediate attention, which is does. The mind is constantly snapped to attention. ”

    You refer to the “flicker rate”. Years ago apparently, that rate was heavily researched to find the flicker rate that would most easily put TV viewers into a hypnotic trance. That rate was then [reportedly] mandated for all TV stations.

    Either way, mass hypnosis via TV works, it seems. And so it goes…..

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  75. @WorkingClass

    It’s a pet theory of mine that America’s ruling class has accomplished something quite unique in history: it has managed to infect the American people themselves with its visceral fear and hatred of the American people.

  76. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “But if it scares the politicians and others into thinking that globalism is not such a good idea, I’m all for it.”

    Indeed, enforced borders, good.

    Private automobiles, good.

    Big Government virus-capture ‘mass transportation’, bad.

  77. Liza says:

    over what will turn out to be, just a bad flu season.

    But the damage will have been done – and not by the flu.

  78. Hegar says:

    This is extremely dumb, Hopkins. “Haha, the flu kills more!”

    Did you notice the little fact about hospitals being overwhelmed? Does the flu do that?

    About 15% of those afflicted by the coronavirus have to be hospitalized, and it can easily spread until it’s out of control. Like in Italy, Spain and Norway – but no one mentions the last because it is a smaller nation. And in New York City and elsewhere.

    Hopkins, you should talk to medical personnel a bit. The coronavirus fills up the hospital beds. It easily infects the staff. In a British hospital a man came in with a cough, and it turned out it was corona. One quarter of the staff had to stay home in quarantine because they had been in contact with him. What do you think that does to a hospital?

    The Italian doctor who said the country’s hospitals would soon be overwhelmed has now died from treating corona victims. Hopkins: “It’s still fewer dead than the flu, so it doesn’t matter!”

    When hospital beds and ventilators are overwhelmed the number of dead start increasing rapidly. Also from secondary causes, those who can’t get treatment for accidents and disease.

    Cuckservative Bill Mitchell on Twitter: “It’s just the old, let them die! Nature is gonna nature folks!”

    More than half of those hospitalized are middle age and young now. It mutates. Like viruses do.

    Hopkins: “No problem, it’s still killed less than the flu!”

    Because we have quarantines.

    By the way, you focus on deaths to ridicule those who worry. You don’t mention those who risk permanent lung damage even if they survive. Especially when there are no ventilators.

    But it’s fewer dead than the flu, right?

    Did you say that about terrorist killings? About mass shootings? About 9/11?

    If there is a mass-killing disease that fills every hospital bed so traffic victims brought in have no beds, shouldn’t we try to stop it by any means? Rather than let it spread uncontrollably at a rapid pace? Even if it “still hasn’t killed as many as the flu.”

    • Agree: Niebelheim, ziggurat
  79. Hegar says:

    “Oh, and zero new cases in China yesterday.”

    Did you notice the little fact that China has had a strict quarantine in Wuhan? You I’m-so-smart deniers love to bring up China, apparently without getting it into your brains that they have had the severe measures your little speeches are meant to oppose. But thanks for playing.

    Now how about you get to know some real medical staff and ask them how fun they think it is to have the hospital overwhelmed by patients, so that new patients can’t get treatment.

    “Don’t worry, it’s just a percent or so who die!” right?

    And you never mention the lung damage those hospitalized risk.

    • Replies: @SteveK9
  80. @unit472

    NO IMMUNITY? Many people are always naturally immune in these situations, and most can acquire immunity through a few days of discomfort. If you were really worried about people really dying, than you should stop bombing countries and promoting war. You must be some kind of TROLL.

  81. 53.Marshall Lentini says:

    “To effectively police people the way you suggest, every nation would have to copy China’s surveillance state and act accordingly against cheaters. I don’t want to live in that kind of state; I like crossing on red and pissing outside if I need to. But that comes with costs elsewhere — namely inefficient bureaucracy, and effective state and civilian response to crises.”

    Your understanding of China is so dim. It is the farthest thing from a surveillance state, and small liberties are everywhere taken – including the policeman watching you cross on red. Freedom does NOT come with a cost of inefficient bureaucracy or ineffective response. Those costs come with fascism – which is what you have.

    In North America, nobody will pass a police car driving at the speed limit on a highway; in China it happens all the time. I mentioned this to a friend and he said, “Why should I be afraid of him? He’s my servant, not my master.” Try that in NYC and see what happens to you.

    I was once standing on the Maglev platform at Shanghai’s Pudong Airport, and watched while a man and his wife were having a heated discussion with a policeman that lasted for several minutes. I wasn’t close enough to learn the topic of their debate, but the argument ended with the man’s wife kicking the policeman in the shins. I can think of more than a few Western cities where that wouldn’t have been a good idea.

    Similarly, I once returned home after dinner to discover my house had no electricity. It was merely a circuit breaker that was quickly reset, but I wondered aloud to a friend if maybe my power had been cut off because I’d forgotten to pay my bill. She gave me the weirdest look and said, “I’ve never heard of such a thing.”

    China is socialist, not authoitarian or dictatorial. You really need to stop believing all the rubbish you read in your own newspapers.

    What is Trump’s main goal for 2020 for the nation or the people of America? Do you know? Does he know? Do you know what the stated goal is for China for 2020? “To wipe out the last remnants of poverty in the nation”.

    If you are American, you couldn’t imagine in your dreams how pleasant it is to live in China. Why would I lie to you?

  82. @Fidelios Automata

    Karlin “bans” some commentators from his propaganda. What does that make him? Dishonest, is the least one can say. Diabolical fits him better.

  83. Emslander says:

    I mean, it’s not like the global capitalist empire was right in the middle of a War on Populism (a war that it has been losing up to now) and wanted to take this opportunity to crank up some disaster capitalism, terrorize the global public into a frenzy of selfish and irrational panic, and just flex its muscles to remind everybody what could happen if we all keep screwing around by voting for “populists,” tearing up Paris, leaving the European Union, and otherwise interfering with the forward march of global capitalism.

    And it’s been all so easy. The World Health Soviet went from persuading governors to banning crowds “larger than 250” to “no assembling at all” in about 72 hours. They got bishops, rabbis and pastors to ban all religious worship without a whimper. Economic activity is now efffectively stopped in the formerly busiest economy in the history of the world.

    Just flexing their muscle.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Hibernian
  84. In my mind the biggest problem isn’t the death rate, it’s the fact that something like 1 out of every 5 cases requires hospitalization. Getting hospitalized is obviously no picnic. And you’ll probably be there until you are virus-free, which could be three weeks or longer. Even with decent insurance, that’s going to be a major hit to the pocketbook. And imagine the sticker shock when Americans see their health insurance rates next fall.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  85. Iva says:…………..Swiss doctor about cases in Italy. We should remember that Italy, after Japan, has the LARGEST population of seniors in the WORLD. I know that coronavirus is real and gov. should take steps to stop spread of virus, but when gov. rush to pass the law ( bill written by Democrats) giving gov. rights to censor Internet, like it is done in China, I have suspicion that declaring “pandemic” ( there is not as many death from coronavirus as it was from flu) is a GLOBALIST made move to take our constitutional right of free speech.

  86. @Franz

    You mean a rootless cosmopolitan elite?

  87. I do think that we are finally there:

    Never believe anything you hear. Believe only half what you see. And always expect the unexpected.
    Twilight Zone.

  88. onebornfree says: • Website

    James Corbett: “Medical Martial Law 2020” :

    Regards , onebornfree

  89. Anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s it, thanks. The overall effect enervates and infantilizes to the point people begin speaking the language of learned helplessness without giving it a second thought. I love “hunker down” for cowering at home glued to the TV for instructions on what to think and do, or “shelter in place” instead of the actual police lockdown outside that’ll have you face down on the pavement with a jackboot on your head for disobeying arbitrary orders. Then there’s the ludicrous renaming of everyday civil servants as “first responders” and “heroes in uniform,” all designed to leave us hero-worshipping the uniform. Who knew we’d be fighting a new “war” so soon, but this time against the cold virus engineered into death for the old and sick. Infantilized Americans can hunker down and wait for the “all clear” to hit Walmart with that $1,200 while the Fed meanwhile enriches Wall Street with trillions, right. My take is that the China reset will result in huge inflation causing a lowering of our standard of living, asset stripping of savers and investors, and, effectively, an across the board cut in the wages of working Americans.

  90. @Commentator Mike

    Ditto. Notice how anyone calling Bullshit on this manufactured crisis is not allowed to sound the alarm on TV, mainstream media, and now even YouTube. There is one narrative which must be followed, and all critics are banished as tin-foil hatters. And their long term agenda is just starting to play out.

    So, to the normies, we who can think for ourselves are dangerous fools who are causing people to die. Thankfully, we still have wonderful sites like the UnzReview to read and upon which to vent our frustrations. But how much longer will that be allowed until our Puppet Masters shut it down? Once we go down the dark path into a dystopian hybrid of 1984 and Brave New World, it will become the new normal and there will no coming back.

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
  91. SteveK9 says:

    Quite aware of everything you say. We are trying to implement something like what China did. We are doing it very badly, and should not be trying in any case.

    Rather than re-typing it, this article summarizes my attitude pretty well.

    I was Director of Product Development and Chief Scientific Officer at 2 Medical Device companies before I retired. I’m one of those old geezers and I am NOT afraid of the coronavirus.

    • Thanks: ziggurat
    • Replies: @ziggurat
  92. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Please provide proof of your claim that “1 in 5 who get C-19 will require hospitalization.” That’s a new one on me, and, since most have not even been tested, it seems that that figure was pulled out of someone’s ass.

  93. Chaim Weizmann is largely credited with obtaining the Balfour Declaration and significant parts of its implementation. One of his chief weapons in that activity was assigning to his target a category of “anti-semitism;” Balfour, for example, was a suppressed, guilty anti-semite, ‘the best kind.’
    Weizmann was a cold, manipulative man.

    At crucial times in his campaign to
    (a) acquire the Balfour Declaration from the British (because as Jabotinsky had written in his Iron Wall doctrine in 1923, Jews in Palestine absolutely needed the force of a ‘super power’ to bring about the capitulation of Palestinian Arabs);
    (b) collaborate in the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire; and
    (c) in June 1917, to ensure that Henry Morgenthau, Sr’s peace mission to the Turks failed, Weizmann made use of Sir Mark Sykes, “One of our greatest finds. . . . a devout Catholic:”

    “I cannot say enough regarding the services rendered us by Sykes. It
    was he who guided our work into more official channels. He belonged to
    the secretariat of the War Cabinet, which contained, among others,
    Leopold Amery, Ormsby-Core and Ronald Storrs. If it had not been
    for the counsel of men like Sykes and Lord Robert Cecil we, with our
    inexperience in delicate diplomatic negotiations, would undoubtedly have
    committed many dangerous blunders. The need for such counsel will
    become evident when I come to tell of the complications which already,
    at that time, surrounded the status of the Near East.”

    The Spanish Flu was popping up and down over the course of Weizmann’s activities, including during at least part of the Versailles peace talks: Woodrow Wilson contracted the flu, but, as we know, survived.

    Mark Sykes, not yet 40 years old, also participated in the talks in Paris.

    “It was 1919 and the British politician, diplomat and all-round swashbuckler was working at the Paris Peace Conference at Versailles when he retired to his hotel room in the French capital and died, on the evening of February 16. He was just 39.

    Such was the unusual and virulent nature of this efficient killer that it was often initially misdiagnosed for dengue, cholera or typhoid.”

    We can know of Sykes’s cooperation with Weizmann on the zionist project from Weizmann’s own record of their interactions in his autobiography, Trial and Error.

    What is remarkable is that nowhere in the 720 pages of his opus does Weizmann mention the death of Sir Mark Sykes.

    Nor does Weizmann mention the Spanish Flu as a presence or threat to the negotiators in Paris.

    Nor does there appear to be a record of mass infection with Spanish Flu among zionist Jews in Palestine.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Sparkon
  94. @Ayatollah Smith

    In North America, nobody will pass a police car driving at the speed limit on a highway; in China it happens all the time. I mentioned this to a friend and he said, “Why should I be afraid of him? He’s my servant, not my master.”

    And I thought the US cops were the one s to “protect and serve” the people.

    Things are not what they seem … Everything is its opposite … There’s more to it than meets the eye … Believe what you’re told at your own discretion … Take it all with a pinch or a bucket-full of salt….
    And when you lie down with dogs … we know what happens then.

  95. Meena says:
    @Blue Juice

    Because right now it seems like we destroyed what was left of our economy (and our retirement accounts) “

    It was already destroyed . This “hoax” or created reality ( how Germany or S Korea did, should be an eye opener ) is trying to explain and justify the bailout .

    Most of the baby boomers are idiot any way They still revere Trump as God or they gravitate to fellow traveller Biden with dementia.

  96. @g8way

    I am glad you mentioned this precaution. I am now so afraid to rub my balls even wearing leather gloves and a mask made from old vacuum cleaner bags . I saw one old guy washing his arse at the car wash. He explained he did not want to spread the germs but he might have to curtail this cleansing process and use dried grass instead. In the meantime he has cut out the soap and hot wax. Sounds pretty drastic to me but to each his own. In the meantime I will continue using newspapers especially the parts with Covid articles.

  97. @follyofwar

    Tch tch. What are these suspicions ? Just believe what you are told. Statistics and politicians do not lie neither do doctors and hospitals looking to get some of those Covid billions.

  98. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Anatoly Karlin is not interested in any free and open discussion of ideas. That’s why he bans people from commenting on his articles.

  99. @ploni almoni

    Karlin is a douche and shitbag. He spends each and every night compiling statistics and graphs flogging the Corona virus as if there is nothing else to write about. I know a few Russian guys some of them not on the uppety up but they are a quiet, soft spoken, polite and inconspicuous bunch. Karlin dresses himself in armless shirt with a sword etc etc…vanquishing the Corona bugs no doubt. That in itself speaks volumes. He is a wannabee gangster and tough dude. Really !!

    The poor fellow is a blogger who wants no-one to disagree with his carefully thought out bullshit compiled after a 14 hour day vomiting up the same old statistics and panic mongering. Read his “work” as he calls it. He vomits up the same old rot every article just shifting the paragraphs around and installing a few graphs. Thank God for cut and paste !

    Karlin ….the Monster Shrimp !

  100. @Curmudgeon

    The lower bowel is the largest immune system organ in the body. Did you know that? Or did you think it was just the last section of the alimentary canal, the section where poop is gathered and stored before being eliminated?

    No, it’s a vital part of your immune system. And it maintains a population of microbes referred to as the microbiome or microbiota that has co-evolved over the 650 million years since the Cambrian explosion, within digestive tracts along the entire evolutionary lineage of animal life from the first worms all the way to present day humans. In EVERY SINGLE LIVING ANIMAL SPECIES, the microbiome is an absolutely vital partner with the digestive system — keep in mind that the lower bowel (aka large intestine) is the largest immune system organ — in the optimization of the immune system. That optimized immune system keeps every living animal in peak health.

    In the human population of first world countries however, and in the first-world-outposts in the big cities of less developed countries, the human microbiome has been decimated by 70 years of antibiotic use.

    Antibiotics are microbe killers of course, and their use in curing life-threatening infections has been a miracle of sorts, but unseen and unrealized until recently, is that antibiotic use has also poisoned the human microbiome. The result has been severe immune system dysfunction across the entire population — billions — of those societies equipped with “modern medicine”. This human health catastrophe manifests in the plague of auto-immune diseases — asthma, MS, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes types one and two, obesity (yes, obesity), celiac disease — and all the chronic gut diseases: Crohn’s disease, IBS, ulcerative colitis, & C. diff — as well as aggravating a variety of mental/emotional conditions including chronic depression and bipolar disorder. NONE OF THESE CONDITIONS EXIST IN PRIMITIVE POPULATIONS LACKING ACCESS TO MODERN MEDICINE.

    In the seventy years since penicillin first became available, dozens of other antibiotics have been developed, and deployed in exponentially increasing amounts across the global human population, amplifying the damage, and generating a massive worldwide immune dysfunction plague. This widespread destruction of human health has come on so gradually that rather than being seen for what it is, a disease condition, it has been accepted AS NORMAL, as just the way things are. But it is not normal, it is a human-created plague.

    The good news is that in the last 10-15 years the role of the microbiome in the optimization of human health has at last been “discovered”, and the medical authorities, no longer able to deny it, will — soon, hopefully — be compelled to acknowledge it and work to fix the problem. (The fix, by the way, is both straightforward, easy, and ridiculously cheap.)

    The result, after several generations, will be the restoration of optimal human health across the planet. Which, beyond an immense improvement in human quality of life, will also and logically result in a MASSIVE reduction in human health care costs. Healthy people don’t need much health care. Well, duh!

    I thought you all could use some good news, particularly on the health care front.

    • Thanks: Parfois1
  101. Meena says:

    Is it something that we can trace to something deeper ? It’s a thought that is not natural . It must have been honed practiced and manufactured industrially for years . Then we have inserted in DNA.

    Death is to be won ! Sufferings to be banished!
    Who will do it? Not some eastern religion or greek stoicism but the modern society . Pain has to be removed by outside forces not by some inner realizations

    Because the inner realization will destroy the modern society we are seeking help from . It destroy the hype around wall street or myth of power that emanate from Hollywood ,media, corporations,presidnetail office ,from pentagon and MIT. WE dont know how to admit guilt helplessness mistakes because admitting g them often will lead to banishment and not a second chance. Default position is lies, hype and semi -honest claims .

    It is like terrorism that has to be destroyed and won . No self reflection which could have prevented .

    If it happens to other , then reaction of other has to be verified challenged and questioned by us .
    Because we have to have that opportunity to say “we don’t do things like that ,we dont do things that way “ unless obviously -“ we need to learn from Israel They have done They have been there Lets talk to them Why we are not asking for their helps” . We hone the idea :” We are different “. So we “deserve different” . Different is better in our parlance .

    Uniqueness chosenness , separateness and being endowed with special expectations come to define us at nation level .Very soon it becomes the shared profile of common folks .

    So we tell your doctor that the pt with late onset dementia or 80 years old with multi organ failures have to have a curative treatment , have to have an answer from medical science . Much overt crimes inflicted on us go undetected or unpunished like the treatments at the gate to the airport or inside the airplanes . Because the borrowed and imprinted language jumps before thinking . The language of “ serve and protect “ or “ say something if you see something g” or “our way of life is in danger “. Then there is always the fear of being sent to jail if not obeyed

  102. It is impossible to impose total lockdown on a society, something which would amount to collective harakiri.

    These flues kill max. 3% of the population. Italy has got 60 million people; 4,000 had died from Corona-chan so far. 2 million deaths is acceptable risk until our bodies naturally build resistance to any mutation of this virus.

    Life can survive anything except lunatic bureaucracy.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Thanks: Liza
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  103. For some of us on Prison Planet Earth who live alone we’re in the worst section: solitary confinement, without even having done anything to antagonise the prison authorities. We’d be better off being in a FEMA camp planning a prison breakout:

    • Replies: @David riskanalyst
    , @David
  104. ANZ says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Very rational video that asks very simple questions to clarify the situation. Questions that are not being answered by so called authorities. They have jumped straight over to panic mode.

    Once the dust settles on this panicky mess in the future, I hope that hindsight will be 20/20. We will see the hyperreactionary hysteria that led the western world to give a headshot to our own economies.

    I really hope that all this doesn’t get memory holed and covered up to absolve the government and science community cheerleaders from their malfeasance. This is a screwup of epic proportions.

  105. @Fidelios Automata

    I have no right to demand they crash the global economy to protect my life.

    That’s not what they’re doing, though. The Globalists (aka internationalists > communists) DON’T CARE one iota about the masses except for the $$ they can extract from us.

    They don’t care about saving old people; in fact they are the ones who spread the hate about the Elderly. Tons of articles like the one David Brooks of NY Times wrote several years ago about how elderly and disabled people are a burden and the promotion of Suicide by these people as “the right thing to do”.

    So, the idea this is about saving lives is an absurdity. They are already Activating their Hegelian based solution which is exactly what the article is talking about.

    ONCE AGAIN many of us are finding ourselves among family/friends/co-workers who think we are being the absurd ones for bringing up all the contradictions the “Globalists” are narrating to the public.

    This one will be worse than 9/11. 9/11 had a sudden impact. Covid-19 is a long stretched out impact we have no idea where it will take us but we can do the math and look at this in a similar manner as 9/11.

  106. Agent76 says:

    Mar 21, 2020 URGENT CALL FOR GRASSROOTS ACTION: Are 5G / Biometric Systems Being Covertly Installed In Your City’s Schools During the Lockdown?

    As the world grapples with the fallout of the COVID-19 situation, we write to you with an important call to action.

    Nov 19, 2008 Rahm Emanuel on the Opportunities of Crisis

    Rahm Emanuel, chief of staff for president-elect Barack Obama, outlines the opportunities for bipartisan reform that he says the financial crisis presents at the Wall Street Journal CEO Council in Washington, D.C. (Nov. 19)

  107. Miro23 says:
    @Igor Svetnick's Physician

    “It’s just one more way of reducing your liberty and reminding you that they can fuck with you anytime they want.” George Carlin

    Following that line, there’s a possibility that no-one seems to have mentioned:

    1) Take a flue type outbreak – no difference if it’s natural or artificial.

    2) Get the NWO MSM to pump up the fear and force governments to overreact.

    3) At the climax, coordinated trumpeting of the “Discovery” that cash is a principal means of transmission.

    4) Ban cash (keeping you safe) and make carrying it a criminal offence = The realization of a long term NWO aim.

  108. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Never let a crisis go to waste. The Ziocons are using the pandemic to further sully China’s reputation around the world(not without a helping hand from the Chinese themselves), putting further squeeze on the governments of Iran and Venezuela with even more heartless sanctions, and giving out a $2 Trillion stimulus bonanza to the most reckless sectors of our economy – the companies that leveraged themselves up to their eyeballs to reap maximum profit: the travel industry and Wall Street.

    Price gouging on Amazon continues unabated even as they claim a crackdown.

    Lindsay Graham took the opportunity to slip a little pork into the stimulus bill: to boost EB5 visas from 10,000 a year to 75,000 a year, and lowering the threshold from $900k to $400k. Since 80% of this visa goes to rich corrupt Chinese, he’s proposing to bring in more rich corrupt Chinese who gave the world this pandemic to begin with. Who’s paying this corrupt mofo’s bills?

    Nothing like a major crisis to bring out all the cockroaches in America, land of the free, home of the brave.

  109. Agent76 says:

    March 20, 2020 STUNNING!… Via the CDC… As of Friday There Are 100 TIMES AS MANY Flu Deaths in US this Season than Coronavirus Deaths

    According to the weekly CDC flu report — flu deaths are up by 1,000 over last week. And according to the global coronavirus trackers US coronavirus deaths are up by 218 this week.

  110. TB kills 1.6 million people per year.
    AIDS kills 2 mil.
    Malaria kills 1 mil.

    And nobody worries about it.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  111. Random thoughts and sayings in connection with the Coronavirus pandemic:

    For once he didn’t lie-Donald Trump: “It’s a hoax “-that was before he was made to walk it back by his “handlers”
    Fool me once(9/11 psyop)) shame on you, fool me twice(coronavirus psyop)shame on me
    “It’s a selection, not an election”
    Ordo ab Chao – the motto of the 33rd degree freemasons
    Trump the candidate of “chaos”
    There are no accurate or reliable tests for COVID-19
    Fear porn and the massmedia=hysteria over a faux pandemic
    It wasn’t the US or China -the globalist elite are all in on it along with the International massmedia
    Loss of small businesses will lead to greater monopolies-look whose hiring Walmart and Amazon
    Buy when there’s “blood in the water “- Warren Buffet who is presently sitting on a mountain of cash
    The Federal Reserve is privately owned
    The Democratic and Republican parties are two wings of the same bird of prey
    Why are both Tom Hanks and Madonna typing with “Corona” typewriters-there are no such things as coincidences
    Why does the number 33 keep recurring when reports come in on Coronavirus infections?

  112. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    There’s a good discussion of the cruise ship data at

    Diamond Princess Mysteries
    Willis Eschenbach / 5 days ago March 16, 2020
    Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach


    OK, here are my questions. We had a perfect petri-dish coronavirus disease (COVID-19) experiment with the cruise ship “Diamond Princess”. That’s the cruise ship that ended up in quarantine for a number of weeks after a number of people tested positive for the coronavirus. I got to wondering what the outcome of the experiment was.

    So I dug around and found an analysis of the situation, with the catchy title of Estimating the infection and case fatality ratio for COVID-19 using age-adjusted data from the outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship (PDF), so I could see what the outcomes were.

    As you might imagine, before they knew it was a problem, the epidemic raged on the ship, with infected crew members cooking and cleaning for the guests, people all eating together, close living quarters, lots of social interaction, and a generally older population. Seems like a perfect situation for an overwhelming majority of the passengers to become infected.

    And despite that, some 83% (82.7% – 83.9%) of the passengers never got the disease at all … why?

    Let me start by looking at the age distribution of the Diamond Princess, along with the equivalent age distribution for the entire US.

    Figure 1. Number of passengers by age group on the Diamond Princess (solid) and expected number of passengers given current US population percentages (hatched).

    When as a young man I lived in a port town with cruise ships calling, we used to describe the passengers as “newlyweds and nearlydeads”. Hmmm … through some improbable series of misunderstandings and coincidences, I’m in the orange zone now … but I digress …

    In any case, Figure 1 shows the preponderance of … mmm … I’ll call them “folks of a certain distinguished age” on the Diamond Princess. Folks you’d expect to be hit by diseases.

    Next, here’s the breakdown of how many people didn’t get the virus, by age group:

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  113. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Corporate lobbying vultures are encircling Capitol Hill as we speak, pushing and shoving to ensure the $2Trillion stimulus package sends some pork to their industry. Everybody and his mother is getting a bailout, especially the travel industry and Wall Street, the two most highly leveraged sectors of our economy. So looks like boomers who own these companies’ stocks will again be bailed out, while their grandchildren and great grandchildren will live to pay the bill.

    China, Italy and Iran have something in common, aside from their strong economic ties — they all have a large number of smokers. There are 11.3 million smokers in Italy, out of a total population of 60 million. Smoking is particularly prevalent among males 25-44, while 25% of people hospitalized in Italy are under the age of 44 — see the correlation? Iranians love their hookah, which is the #1 transmitter of flu virus. They also eat with their hands a lot, people do not use utensils, and have the same habit as Italians of greeting people with kisses on both cheeks. China meanwhile has the world’s largest group of smokers at 320 million, the heavy pollution also means people’s lungs are weakened to begin with. Spain also has a high smoker rate, 34% of people 15-64 smoke on a daily basis.

    Outside of these 4 countries, mortality rate is around 0.2%-1%. The US is 1+%, I think we are under counting the denominator. Most Northern European countries are around 0.2-0.3%.

  114. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Approximately 35,000 people are killed each year in traffic accidents in the US.

    Approximately 50,000 die per year via the regular flu in the US.

    So far , in the US the cv-19 virus has supposedly killed between 100- and 150 people.

    “It is impossible to impose total lockdown on a society, something which would amount to collective harakiri.”

    You don’t understand, ” collective harakiri ” is, approximately, the acknowledged goal of these elitist globalist/ eugenicist/one world government fuckers. “To save the planet”. Yeah, right. ☠️

    They want you and your family and friends , and people like me, dead, and if not dead, you will be an entirely controlled slave living in a “smart” city, told when you can leave home,[if ever], what you can eat, where you can work, how much you are paid, how many children you can have, and on and on.

    If you haven’t already done so, please read[re-read?] “1984” , “Brave New World” , and “Brave New World Revisited” , for an overview, or, watch the movie “Endgame”.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @antitermite
  115. 102.The Grim Joker says:

    “Karlin dresses himself in armless shirt with a sword etc etc . . . He is a wannabe gangster and tough dude. Really !!”

    103.Jeff Davis says:

    “In every single living animal species, the microbiome (aka the section where poop is stored) is an absolutely vital partner . . .”

    Jeff, maybe you could get together with the Grim Joker and perform a human service here. Maybe make an introduction, or something. Maybe it’s vital to Karlin that he have a vital partner. Maybe Karlin isn’t a gangster. Maybe he’s just lonely.

  116. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    The Spanish Flu was popping up and down over the course of Weizmann’s activities, including during at least part of the Versailles peace talks: Woodrow Wilson contracted the flu, but, as we know, survived.

    … Such was the unusual and virulent nature of this efficient killer that it was often initially misdiagnosed for dengue, cholera or typhoid.”

    … Nor does there appear to be a record of mass infection with Spanish Flu among zionist Jews in Palestine.

    Perhaps the “Spanish Flu” was not influenza after all, but instead maybe an infectious bacterial disease created by an experimental meningitis vaccine developed by Rockeller Institute for Medical Research and given to US Army troops, originating at the Ft. Riley US Army Base, Kansas. See


    While watching an episode of American Experience on PBS a few months ago, I [Kevin Barry] was surprised to hear that the first cases of “Spanish Flu” occurred at Fort Riley, Kansas in 1918. …

    During the war years 1918-19, the US Army ballooned to 6,000,000 men, with 2,000,000 men being sent overseas. The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research took advantage of this new pool of human guinea pigs to conduct vaccine experiments.

    by Frederick L. Gates
    From the Base Hospital, Fort Riley, Kansas, and The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, New York. Received 1918 Jul 20

    (Author note: Please read the Fort Riley paper in its entirety so you can appreciate the carelessness of the experiments conducted on these troops.)

    Between January 21st and June 4th of 1918, Dr. Gates reports on an experiment where soldiers were given 3 doses of a bacterial meningitis vaccine. Those conducting the experiment on the soldiers were just spitballing dosages of a vaccine serum made in horses. …

    A total of 1,090 men were not there for the 3rd dose. What happened to these soldiers? Were they shipped East by train from Kansas to board a ship to Europe? Were they in the Fort Riley hospital? Dr. Gates’ report doesn’t tell us.

    An article accompanying the [PBS] American Experience broadcast I watched sheds some light on where these 1,090 men might be. Gates began his experiments in January 1918.

    By March of that year, “100 men a day” were entering the infirmary at Fort Riley. …

    “… Shortly before breakfast on Monday, March 11, the first domino would fall signaling the commencement of the first wave of the 1918 influenza. Company cook Albert Gitchell reported to the camp infirmary with complaints of a “bad cold.” Right behind him came Corporal Lee W. Drake voicing similar complaints. By noon, camp surgeon Edward R. Schreiner had over 100 sick men on his hands, all apparently suffering from the same malady…” (5)

    Gates does report that several of the men in the experiment had flu-like symptoms: coughs, vomiting and diarrhea after receiving the vaccine.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  117. @Twodees Partain

    Here’s what I’m going to do. I will bitch slap that virus left and right like if she was a two-bit Whore. And I’m not jokin’ cause I’m comin out smokin.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  118. Good satire.

    However, let me strike a more serious note. For a long time I could not understand why in so many countries affected by this virus the first thing that disappeared from stores was toilet paper. Now, I think I’ve figured out the connection between toilet paper and virus. Apparently, in the face of the threat (real or imagined) the populace expects to shit itself.

    Does anyone have an alternative explanation?

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • LOL: Liza
  119. Tomaz says: • Website

    The reason Boeing is tanking is because of the malfeasance of the management seeking to cut costs by producing an inferior product. Customers and investors tend to shy away from aircraft that kills all the passengers on airport runways. The company should fail. Let it be bought at auction by some group that can manage it or sell it off in pieces to other manufacturers.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  120. @Tomaz

    Hey, that would be capitalism. As we all know, it’s capitalism for us little fish, but communism for banksters and their ilk. Anything they own is “too big to fail”.

  121. Z-man says:

    This was a funny and sobering article and the first post by g8way was very funny… but, this thing is gonna be bad.

  122. Our situation is reminiscent of the military base in Stanley Kubrick’s movie DR STRANGELOVE where lock down was called by the crazy commander because he claimed the US was under attack, while he ordered a nuclear strike.The reality nowhere near justifies the measures being taken. Whole Hospital staffs are being ordered into self quarantine only because someone among them was “tested positive”

  123. Gilbo says:

    Looks like the Bilderburg group finally pulled the switch

    • Replies: @Liza
  124. It a good day for humor. But, it’s the math that is confusing me. the USA 2019 had 30,000 die from the flu. And, not much was said. Today it looks like the USA may, by the end of the year, find itself with 2,000 ncov19 deaths. And the full force of the state is now creeping at our ankles moving towards our knees and soon the neck. Looking back at how the media covered 911, made sure we all blamed the right party, and begged for the begininnig of the abolishion of our rights. Today the muslims aren’t the bad guys; it’s the Iranians and the chinks. Right? The media, in lockstep with the Whitehouse, is selling this, ‘fake Chinese virus’ as a pandemic, like crack. Kevin Barrets article is a good one. Read it.

  125. @AnonFromTN

    People are willing to eat grass of things really get rough, but no one is prepared to not use toilet paper to wipe their ass.

    Interestingly, my house here in the UK had a toilet with a bidet shower, much cleaner and more environmentally friendly, never understood why bidets didn’t catch on in the West.

  126. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Death rate is high in Italy because there are a lot of young people in the hospital. Something like 25% of those hospitalized are btwn 20-45. While the death rate for this group isn’t high, they take up a lot of hospital beds and ventilators, leaving the hospital with no resources to cater to the old. So basically all those over 70 are left to fend for themselves, and they die at a much higher rate than the young. The reason so many young people are in the hospital in Italy is because many in the 20-45 age group are habitual smokers. There are 11.3 million smokers in Italy, about 15% of the population.

    Same goes for Spain. 34% of those 15-64 smoke daily.

    This is a virus that attacks the lungs. Smokers have compromised lungs, so they are more vulnerable.

    • Replies: @Pft
    , @Jonathan Mason
  127. ziggurat says:

    From the article you linked:

    The real problem is that governments have politicised a health crisis and transformed it into a social and economic crisis. A more measured approach, especially after understanding China’s experience, would have been to treat this as a medical emergency for the people most vulnerable, and to have taken appropriate measures to isolate and protect these groups. This would have disrupted things, for sure. But it would not have caused the global market meltdown and disastrous recession we now face.

    Maybe what the New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is doing is at least half right. He calls it “Matilda’s Law”, which is named after his mother.

    Vulnerable populations cover those who are 70 and older, and those who have compromised immune systems. Provisions for the vulnerable populations, which Cuomo has called “Matlida’s Law,” include remaining indoors, but allows for outdoor solitary exercise. All visitors must be pre-screened by taking their temperature and the vulnerable population cannot go visit households with multiple people. Vulnerable persons should wear mask in company of others, and everyone in presence of vulnerable should wear mask. Finally, all vulnerable individuals must stay at least 6 feet from individuals and should not take public transit unless it’s urgent or necessary.

    These new provisions will take effect on Sunday.

    Or course, there are also restrictions on the non-vulnerable. Could we avoid overloading the hospitals, via focusing on only the vulnerable, without any restrictions on the non-vulnerable?

    Slight more than 50% of the whole country’s cases are in New York state, but this may be due to more testing than other states. On March 8th, the governor called for “private testing” and “automated testing”.

  128. hetro says:

    Also take a look at the following, from pretty much an Establishment Source, and in this case fully supportive of a skeptical look at the hysteria, as with CJ Hopkins:

  129. Pft says:

    The biggest problem is Hair. Think about it. Hair is the great harvester of viruses. Billions of viruses caught in its net, released with the slightest breeze or head shake floating to its next victim. People wash their hands 20 times a day, but their hair at most is washed once a day at most.

    Our only hope to defeat the virus will be a War on Hair. Off with their hair, head and facial hair to start. In warmer places we night need to get rid of exposed armpit , leg, arm and chest hair. Only pubic hair will be spared (except in nudist camps)

    Bald is beautiful. Barbers will be given military ranks and comb the streets armed with scissors and b/o shavers looking for the enemy. Nobody shall be spared, even beautiful Ivanka will be bald as an eagle, and her orange haired father.

    Rabbis might seek a religious exemption but like with vaccines, their protests will be ignored.

    • LOL: Jonathan Mason
  130. DaveE says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Don’t believe anything that comes from the Center for Disease Creation.

    • Thanks: Liza
  131. @Just Passing Through

    Bidets are pretty common in Europe (for whatever reason virtually non-existent in the US), but I read that toilet paper has disappeared in Europe, too.

  132. SafeNow says:

    “Has anybody noticed that it’s not just test kits that are unavailable (presumably because production of those has been outsourced) but the simple stuff like butt and hand wipes”

    Good point. Very telling. A game box is more complicated than a ventilator, and way more complicated than a hand wipe. And yet, if, two months ago, we had been told to domestically produce a vast quantity of game boxes, money is no object, we would have managed to do so, no problem. America 2.0. All is lost. Young people, enjoy your new country.

    By the way, regarding the cruise ship. In epidemiology there is something called a ”bystander infection.” You have a pre-existing infection and so when something new comes along, you are going to fight it with an immune system that is already busy. On a cruise ship, you are already infected with a bystander infection. That’s my theory, and I think the cruise lines just covered it up rather than admit that cruise ships are petri dishes.

  133. Pft says:

    Death rate in Italy is high is because over the last decade they have went from having the most icu beds per capita to the least number due to EU enforced austerity measures.

    Also, there might well be a racial component. Perhaps the virus besides an affinity with Asians also affects Mediterranean peoples of Italy, France, Spain and Iran. Although genetically speaking there is no race genetic ancestry and epigenetic expression can affect response to disease

    Another thing to consider is northern Italy was the main base for anti-vaxxers. Italys public health is captured by the Global Vaccine Industry being one of the main funders of GAVI’s-AMC along with the Gates Foundation and a few other countries. The vaccine industry will be the biggest beneficiary in this Pandemic so perhaps Italy is exaggerating the numbers and simply classifying more respiratory diseases as Covid-19. Creating the panic in the north might also be political as the opposition is in the north.

    Also, how do we know these tests are accurate?. In a normal year Italy has 1500 deaths a day this time of year. Maybe lots of false positives among those counted as positive. Hospitalized elderly with pneumonia from all causes has mortality rates over 10%

  134. hetro says:

    I’m reminded of 2003 and George W telling us to cover our houses with plastic tarps because Saddam was coming with his WMD. I’m not making this up! My radio commentator at that time: “Are we in a panic yet?”

    What we’re not discussing enough is what pretexts this action could be, or is, covering up this time around.

    We’re also at sea with confusing information instead of precise specific info.

    Media left and right are breathlessly in line with the panic and blaming Trump and have bought into the certainty that someone like Newsom of California is a reliable leader.

    Yesterday he said 56% of Californians will be infected withing 8 weeks, and then added but don’t worry the majority of Californians will be okay.

    It’s this kind of double-talk that adds to the overall confusion and lack of clarity essential to mind-manipulation.

    Also check out Edward Curtin’s commentary applying Camus’ The Plague and applications to propaganda:

  135. It’s a Sacred Catastrophe.( Too bad for Trump and his directors the term and image not utilized this past week….)
    Might shift focus to Natural Systems, Bowen Family Systems,Limits To Growth, Limits To Population,Grasping Abundance, Author Garrett Hardin influence surpasses any author whatsoever regarding “Global Warming”.

  136. Here is my other suggestion.
    Forget all sinus based charts,
    Every state in US must create maps. Also every county must create maps. On all maps the every case of location of infection must be registered. That will indicate the clear and infected areas.
    These maps must be located on internet so everybody can see what is happening.

  137. Liza says:

    This may be only a test run. The real big one may be around the corner.

    • Agree: SafeNow
    • Replies: @Parfois1
  138. @Emslander

    They got bishops, rabbis and pastors to ban all religious worship without a whimper.

    A bit of an admission that prayer is a waste of time. But I have noticed this a lot recently.

    In Christianity Christmas Day, celebrating the birth of the Savior is the second biggest religious festival of the year, yet last time Christmas Day fell on a Sunday, the pastor at the local church close to my home closed the church on that holy day, and said that parishioners should spend the day with their families and that there would be no services.

    He was obviously anticipating lowered revenue on the day and decided to preempt it by throwing in the towel and giving the congregation (and himself) the day off.

    The corona virus is just a flu, but it is one for which there is no vaccination as yet. There is seasonal flu every year, and the vaccinations are more effective in some years than others, but most help to reduce the mortality a bit. Nevertheless, when flu gets loose in places like nursing homes, it wreaks carnage.

    With no vaccination a lot of the weaker members of the herd will be taken from us this year. Maybe even me (age 68 and in average health, not taking any medication, but a bit overweight and could use more exercise.)

    There is little doubt in my mind that shutting down everything and making everyone stay at home is going to slow the spread of this virus and reduce the load on hospitals.

    But is this worth crashing the whole economy to a state where it could take years to recover, and what if there is no vaccine for next year’s flu either? It won’t be long before most of the first-world countries are third-world countries, and maybe this is what happened to the Roman Empire.

    In the United States presumably most of those hospitalized will have Medicare, but if the virus really gets loose in the working population, there will likely be mass bankruptcies due to the inadequate coverage offered by most Obamacare and employment insurance plans and the after effects could take years to work their way through the system.

  139. @Anon

    This is a virus that attacks the lungs. Smokers have compromised lungs, so they are more vulnerable.

    This seems logical. When I was young and smoked heavily I had more than one severe respiratory infection, but I quit in 1984. I have not had a bad upper respiratory or chest infection for decades now.

    I am surprised that no country or state has yet issued a blanket ban on tobacco sales.

  140. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Just Passing Through

    A separate bidet is not even necessary. Why not just use a water hose or even a plastic bottle like we do in most of Asia?

    For me, the moral of the story is that habits die harder than people.

  141. @onebornfree

    and you can add to that LIST Zone 23 🤔
    Some parts of our planet (ie Gsza/srael) are well on their way there..

  142. Hibernian says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I was once standing on the Maglev platform at Shanghai’s Pudong Airport, and watched while a man and his wife were having a heated discussion with a policeman that lasted for several minutes. I wasn’t close enough to learn the topic of their debate, but the argument ended with the man’s wife kicking the policeman in the shins. I can think of more than a few Western cities where that wouldn’t have been a good idea.

    For those who I believe this, I have a bridge for sale. Since I’m a Chicagoan, it’s the Chicago Skyway.

    • Replies: @Kim
    , @utu
  143. Hibernian says:

    “They got bishops, rabbis and pastors to ban all religious worship without a whimper.”

    They don’t make ’em like Cardinal Mindzenty, or Archbishop “Dagger John” Hughes, of mid-19th century NYC, anymore.

  144. Agent76 says:

    Nov 4, 2019 Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Segment 4, Communications Discussion and Epilogue Video

    Event 201 is a pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. The exercise illustrated the pandemic preparedness efforts needed to diminish the large-scale economic and societal consequences of a severe pandemic.

  145. Ann H. says:

    Excerpt from: Coronavirus Panic: Toilet Paper Is the “People’s Vaccine”

    ”The fundamental human fear is that we, like excrement, are destined to be buried and forgotten; that we will be buried in the earth or flushed down a toilet. The fear is that “dead” excrement is what we are and that all the shiny symbols erected by civilization to say we are more are just bullshit.

    This fear is compounded when science often claims that everything religions have ever taught is hocus pocus. The religious symbol systems that were the overarching bulwarks of western civilization have been replaced by science and technology. But these twins have no answer for the fact of death, except to say it is inevitable and maybe we can help you to live a bit longer. Many people, if only unconsciously, might not be satisfied with that answer.

    So when death comes courting in the guise of a so-called plague or pandemic, toilet paper will keep you safe and clean. You can wipe away any reminder that you are mortal and will return to the earth; that you will rot there unless you somehow believe in the transcendent spirit of days gone by.”


    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  146. Binks007 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    I went on a Princess cruise last year. My wife and I were aghast upon boarding at the age of the passengers. Everyone was soooo old! Walkers, wheelchairs, scooters, and portable oxygen. I’m certain several died during the week. I’m 60 and except for two newlywed couples, (who were shocked that grandma had booked them on the wrong ship) I was among very few under mid-70’s. I remember thinking how all of Princess Cruise Line customers would disappear in the next ten years. Old ships and old customers. Many treat it as an old folks home. They book and re-book, right on the ship. One passenger was recognized for his days on Princess ships which totaled just short of 4 years!

    • Replies: @calculator
    , @gsjackson
  147. @Blue Juice

    Will the younger generations ever forgive the older one…

    Younger generations have been saddled with extra direct and indirect (via student loans) taxes to finance boomers, many of whom received free higher education and have gotten far more in pensions than they ever contributed. The increase in house prices that keep the young out of the property market, has been described as the biggest transfer of wealth from the young to the old in history. State media relentlessly pushes the message that we must protect the older generation, but the closure of schools and businesses disproportionately effects the education, employment and income of the young. Not surprisingly the young do not seem that bothered about boomers and party on at virus parties, displaying the same disregard boomers have for younger generations.

    It is not only the economy that is being destroyed but our civil liberties as we move towards a police state with radical measures, such as an indefinite lockdown, designed to curb our basic freedoms imposed without any opposition from our supposed elected representatives. The wall to wall coverage of the Corona Virus on state media instills fear and compliance on a brainwashed populace, and all voices of dissent are ignored. The masses are applauding the trillion dollar bailout packages (ie more govt debt for the young) governments are rolling out as the New Deal, while millions are now becoming permanently dependant on state welfare. Not quite 1984, but not far off..

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  148. Kim says:

    No, I spent many years in China and this is in fact very believable.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Hibernian
  149. @Robert Dolan

    appx. 140 Million births a year. The disease factor is still not causing population decline.

  150. Vidi says:

    It’s the guilt, I think.

    People are quite aware that a Covid death is a hard way to go: your lungs get inflamed, you can’t breathe, and basically you slowly choke to death. Ugh.

    People don’t want their parents to suffer so much. They know that if there was something they could have done, and they didn’t do it, and their parents died while gasping for air, the guilt would eat them up for the rest of their lives.

    So they do what they can, and we are seeing the consequences.

  151. Fred777 says:

    How the hell did I survive Covid 1-18?

  152. Parfois1 says:
    @Just Passing Through

    never understood why bidets didn’t catch on in the West.

    You mean West beyond Europe. One could say all houses in Europe have bidets. Language used for empire building: first the “annexation” of “America”, now “the West” as well.

  153. Richard B says:

    Great article. We need a laugh.

    Especially when one considers the sick and twisted joke being played on us.

    Never the less, it’s still important to say what needs saying.

    We’re witnessing The Death Of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

    Like Milton’s God, JSI has grown “dark with excessive bright.”

    A phrase I never understood until now.

    It’ll still have the money it stole from just about everyone and the power that goes with it.

    And it’ll certainly try to do as much damage as it can while it can.

    But things will never be the same again after this.

    Because people no longer want to buy what they’re selling.

    And those that do, those who sucked up to, and brown-nosed, an evil force for so long could not look more degraded, decrepit and senile. Joe Biden comes to mind. And not just Joe Biden.

    And Woe unto JSI and their Useful Idiot Shabbos Goy if their Scapegoats and Proxies make friends. Stranger things have happened in history.

    But, even if that doesn’t happen, the Scapegoats have had enough.

    Especially with JSI’s endless and laughable, but none the less damaging, smears of “White Supremacy” and “White Privilege”, as if their Scapegoats don’t know exactly who are the privileged supremacists. Just as those same Scapegoats know just how badly this is damaging their children’s present and future.

    Not to mention the anti-White violence throughout the Western world that JSI promotes 24/7.

    Does anyone think JSI doesn’t know their relentless anti-White propaganda doesn’t end in rape and murder? Of course they know. That’s why they do it.

    And they top off their sadistic pleasure with some Gaslighting. Because you can’t have a Scapegoat without Gaslighting, and, eventually, Exile. Which they’ve been doing via mass migration.

    And for what? So JSI can have power? Who cares anymore? Who gives a damn?

    Look what they do with it?

    If you want a movie reference for JSI today, it’s Lee J. Cobb’s character Johnny Friendly, at the end of On The Waterfront, arrogantly barking orders to get to work to a man whose son he had killed.

    Finally, having had enough of being pushed around his whole life by the ironcially named Friendly the old man pushes him off the docks and into the water, to roaring applause and cheers from the crowd. While Friendly continues to bark orders (this time to his henchmen to help him) the crowd walks away, as a battered and beaten, but not defeated scapegoat, Marlon Brando, gets back on his feet and walks to work.

    But, perhaps you’d prefer a more contemporary reference.

    In that case, the best symbol for JSI comes in the form of its poster child, the shabby and bedraggled has-been, His Royal Assholiness, Sir Rumpled Dick – Harvey Weinstein.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  154. Parfois1 says:

    This may be only a test run. The real big one may be around the corner.

    Indeed, this could be the dry run to fine-tune the system for the next stage of incremental severity. There are many plausible reasons for the CV hyper-propaganda and its effects, all of them easily exploited by the Masters of the Universe for their nefarious ends, from rebooting the financial casino to more surveillance powers and social control, even to promote the Globalization project by exposing how the whole world is already integrated – giving substance to the new proverb : “when China sneezes, the world catches a cold”. Hence the need for a “global approach” to fighting pandemics and the like given the “pathetic” response by the domestic rulers. It also shows how entire societies are extremely vulnerable and easily controlled. In fact this is a unique opportunity to study many political, social and economic lessons from the experiment – and a very cheap experiment for the “researchers” albeit at high social costs.

    Would like to get some meaty material about Event201, namely the behind-the-scenes shenanigans.

    • Replies: @Liza
  155. Parfois1 says:

    No, I spent many years in China and this is in fact very believable.

    But his (Chicagoan) belief system is better than yours. It is so impervious that facts don’t get through.

  156. utu says:

    In Chicago this man would be dead.

    Different rules of engagement. Many lives would be saved in America in police allowed themselves to take few steps back instead of shooting.

    Instead of shooting police in China uses special “thrust fork” in knife attacks

    This is American way: Cop shoots 70 year old man reaching for his cane

  157. I dont know about Jeff but I dont associate with people dressed like Karlin. I am not into the thrift store thing and strongly “social distance” from them. Karlin looks like he assaulted and robbed a Salvation Army store in the poor side of town. I could send him some rubles. A bath, a shave, a long sleeve shirt, some cool shoes (instead of those reject heels scrounged from the neighbourhood donation box) and even he might begin stop resembling a San Francisco street person…………and that sword HAS to go !

  158. @Richard B

    Ah, On the Waterfront. They don’t make movies like that black and white masterpiece anymore.

    Alas, I think you are too optimistic that “we’re witnessing the Death of Jewish Supremacy Inc.” With their control of the media, few have a clue as to what goes on behind the scene (I don’t claim to know either). They are more ruthless and cunning than us. That’s why they always seem to come out on top.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  159. @TheJewishQuestion

    It will serve them right for the boomers (and even those born before them) to not be able to sell their McMansions. As our young have been impoverished by college debt, working minimum wage jobs (which are gone now anyway by government edict), and cannot afford to have children, who will be left to buy them?

  160. @Ann H.

    So, toilet paper is a reassuring symbol for many people? Interesting view. I used it for many years and never though about it that way.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  161. Sparkon says:

    used it for many years

    I‘ll pass on the chance to take a cheap shot, but remember when Sheryl Crow was lecturing us about how much toilet paper to use?

    “only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where two to three could be required”

    Later, Ms. Crow insisted she was “just kidding.”

    For even more entertainment, see the Grauniad’s message at the end of the news article:

    We’ve got an announcement…

    … on our progress as an organisation. In service of the escalating climate emergency, we have made an important decision – to renounce fossil fuel advertising, becoming the first major global news organisation to institute an outright ban on taking money from companies that extract fossil fuels.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  162. @Commentator Mike

    For some of us on Prison Planet Earth who live alone we’re in the worst section: solitary confinement, without even having done anything to antagonise the prison authorities. We’d be better off being in a FEMA camp planning a prison breakout:

    No, absolutely not! Thinking so is making yourself a victim. If it doesn’t kill you it makes you stronger, a way of thinking lost in the past for the hopelessly stupid majority who seem to me are literally brainwashed zombies, distinguished by their showing no emotions just as in the film Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    I wrote that without realizing there are many Americans truly locked down under house arrest and in solitary confinement. Maybe most of the people in the two most populous states of NY and CA.

    It seems that maybe the forces of evil and the children of the father of lies are now trying to hasten the coming of their anti-christian messiah to be the world’s ruler from Jerusalem.

    Mild and minor civil disobedience seems much more preferable than a dramatic jailbreak. In the 1976 movie Network there was the newscaster Howard Beale who urged people to open their windows and yell “we’re not gonna take it anymore!”

    America lacks a leader. Pres. Trump is an idiot pretending to be a leader of a country pretending to be an American people. It’s all just lies piled on lies.

    Only a very small number of people can see through the lies, and I’m very glad to have found because there is intelligent life here.

    I’m not “lucky” to be living in a place where the “ban” on 1st Amendment right of assembly is for 100 or more in one place, because it was a choice made over 40 years ago that the NYC of the Charles Bronson Death Wish movies was unfit for habitation and so I moved out West to the open spaces where anyone over 21 and not a felon could carry a gun as long as it wasn’t concealed and free speech and expression could be shoe-horned into the artist-colony mentality and to top it off there were very few overt jews and negroes in evidence. I can walk the streets here without any worries, even now, but that might not be so for the majority here.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  163. Simply unbelievable.

    Secret efforts to suspend habeas corpus! 1984, here we come.

    America, you are ridiculous and dangerous at the same time. A remarkable achievement.

  164. @Anon

    Thanks for that, anon 132; it’s a different, and important, line of research from a follow-up to the Weizmann connection posted on March 21 that I’ve been studying.

    I’m still working on that follow-up; it involves a set of slides that seem to indicate that the British developed a virus similar to the Spanish Flu several years before it infected US soldiers.

    Just now, I’m distracted from that work by the “Ryan STOP” affair.

  165. @Sparkon

    Thanks for cool quotes! MSM can be funny, when they are not downright obnoxious.

  166. Very good and funny article.

    Could we get permission to send it to our subscribers?

    It is a very interesting viewpoint.

  167. Richard B says:

    I think you are too optimistic that “we’re witnessing the Death of Jewish Supremacy Inc.”

    I can see how the comment could be interpreted as optimistic.

    So, I’ll put it differently by saying something I’ve said often enough, and will say again, because it’s worth repeating.

    What we’re really witnessing is

    The Pyrrhic Victory of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

    Because it’s rise to power has been in direct proportion to the collapse of the very social-insitutions of the culture that power controls.

    By destroying the host population of the civilization it longs to control JSI has destroyed the means by which it can sustain its power.

    That’s why it’s also understandable that, as you said, “they always seem to come out on top.”

    The key word here is “seems.”

    Because, what JSI is on top of now is both unmanageable and unsustainable.

    The two go together.

    This entire situation, from the oft predicted and predictable unleashing of this “virus”, to the current global lockdown, is symptomatic of their “Victory”, ie; Failure!

    But, however one interprets it, the point still stands.

    Things will never be the same again.

  168. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Fidelios Automata

    Hey, I’m in my 60s and I agree with CJ. Seriously, if we weren’t faced with all these idiot closures and quarantines, I would change absolutely nothing about my daily routine. Maybe not shake hands, maybe not go on a cruise. Otherwise nothing.

    I’m in the same age bracket. I’d probably be prepared to take a few more precautions. I might be prepared to wear a mask when I go out. I’d be prepared to put up with the hassle of wearing a mask rather than be told I can’t leave my damned house. That’s assuming you could buy masks here, which you can’t. But on the whole I agree with you. The whole lockdown/shutdown thing is madness.

    And the hysteria is not being driven by Boomers. It’s being driven by the media, and by politicians in a state of mindless panic worrying about their political futures. All the Boomers I know think the whole COVID-19 hysteria is insane.

    I have no right to demand they crash the global economy to protect my life.

    Crashing the global economy will cost more lives and cause more suffering in the long term than the virus.

    But it’s not Boomers who are crashing the global economy. It’s the media and panic-stricken politicians.

  169. anastasia says:

    I have some questions that no one is answering on television, or anywhere else.

    (1) Can a virologist find a new strain of virus under a microscope and tell you how “dangerous” it is? The answer is “no”

    (2) If this virus is related somehow to the SARS virus, can a we say based upon how SARS played out that every business should be closed, that quarantining should take p lace, that we should have “lockdowns” just because of some affinity to SARS> There was no travel ban or any closings of businesses or quarantining of the public or lockdowns during the SARS outbreak.

    (3) If a virologist cannot tell you if a new strain of virus is dangerous (and he can’t), then the Chinese truly did not know if the new strain they found was dangerous or how dangerous. Further, very few had died when they did the lab work and those that did were elderly and medically compromised.

    So here is the question: Why did the Chinese react to a new strain of virus found in a lab so hysterically with quarantining, lockdowns, business closings, and hazmat suits?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  170. @David riskanalyst

    I’m adding a bit of humour on this thread. Looking by the measures imposed in Wuhan, that’s probably coming to all. But even there they have eased off the pressure by now. This is all about social control more than anything else. When it’s over people will forget about it until the next time they raise the pressure just a little bit higher.

  171. Amanda says:

    IMO this is a global psyop, and the virus is being used as cover for the central bankers to bring in the NWO, with a new digital financial system and a forced vaccine with a nanochip used to create a “digital identity”

    Financial Expert: Central Banks Fostering Global Collapse By Design


    The virus will be used as a cover story for the central bankers bringing in their new world digital currency (cashless society). The MSM is already floating stories about “dirty money and coins” and that they could have the so-called virus on them:
    Dirty money: The case against using cash during the coronavirus outbreak

    They are openly putting the idea out there (which means it’s ready to go):

    Financial Expert: The End Game Is Unfolding Before Our Eyes

    Spiro’s Event 201 Coverage

    Coronavirus End Game: The Economic Crisis & Roll Out of the New Digital Financial System

    The Coronavirus COVID-19 Pandemic: The Real Danger is “Agenda ID2020”
    What is the infamous ID2020? It is an alliance of public-private partners, including UN agencies and civil society. It’s an electronic ID program that uses generalized vaccination as a platform for digital identity.

  172. Amanda says:

    Dr. Ron Paul- The Corona Virus Hoax



    Greg Mannirino warning about central bankers NWO, digital, cashless society

    Look around you. A world in lock down. Cities, states, nations shutting down. Markets in free-fall. Moreover, NOTHING you are seeing is by accident! Something I have been telling you for YEARS. Understand.. A deliberate global meltdown is occurring by design. A second Great Depression is being THRUST upon us, yes thrust. Many, many people are going do die. For how many years my EXACT words have been “It Will Be Biblical.” This is all being done to bring about a NEW financial system.. and methods of control over the remaining population beyond your wildest nightmares are going to occur… what we are seeing now is JUST THE BEGINNING…. GM
    —————- IMO this is a DELIBERATE meltdown of the world economic and financial systems. The New America is now the epicenter of a new order which will sweep the globe, quickly. I also believe it is by design that The Fed. is flooding the world with dollars now in order to usher in a one world ALL digital currency… GM

    For how long have I warned that the Fed’s final solution is to OWN IT ALL. To be the lender and buyer of last resort? Well it is in FULL SWING right now.. unfolding at unprecedented speed. Moreover, the Fed. is supplying TRILLIONS to other world central banks to buy assets.. THIS IS A GLOBAL TAKEOVER.. A completely NEW structure yes, BUT I TOLD YOU ALL THIS WAS COMING… GM

    And the bankers have Hollywood make virus pandemic movies to prime the population that a virus can do this.

    “It is my belief that the regular flu is being used as a cover for this fake virus, and will serve to hide fault of a state-created economic collapse. In the process, all will become slaves to the state, and this is not a temporary tyranny, as it will last long after this current non-risk is over. Today, Trump and his entourage of idiots stood before the cameras and said now we can do this next spring to help stop the flu! That is basically an announcement that these measures can be used for any excuse deemed “necessary” by the ruling class. They are actually preparing the sheep for ongoing martial law.”

    Coronavirus, according to Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, is a part of all viruses, and 8% to 15% of viruses are coronavirus, so that will show up in testing. This is especially the case when testing the already sick and dying, the old and infirmed, and this kind of testing would be far different than random population tests. In other words, if testing is set up to test sick people, up to 15% will show coronavirus. It is a natural part of flu, and will always show up, so it would be easy to use to fool the dumbed-down and dependent herd. They are easily frightened, and expect government to take care of them from cradle to grave, so this test has been successful for those intending to take control of populations around the world.

    And don’t forget, in the NDAA of 2012, they did something to the Smith Mundt Act to make PROPAGANDA LEGAL!!!

  173. I see Angular Merkel has gone into lockdown.

  174. Hibernian says:

    Only because the shin kicker is a woman is it marginally believable.

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  175. Sparkon says:

    Your comment piqued my curiosity to find some details about Sykes’s death. I found these passages in “Kingmakers: The Invention of the Modern Middle East,” by Karl Ernest Meyer, & Shareen Blair Brysac, 2008

    Still, on one point there was agreement among Whitehall insiders—the idea of a British blessing for a “national home” may have originated with Dr. Weizmann, but it was Mark Sykes who gave the idea legs.
    In his autobiography, Chaim Weizmann singled out Sykes. “It seemed to me,” he wrote, referring to events in 1917, “that the only man by whom the British Governent could be adequately represented, who thoroughly understood the Near East, and who enjoyed the full confidence of the Arabs, Jews and Armenians, was Sir Mark Sykes, the man who had this particular question in his hands for three years.”

    Hence the near-universally expressed sorrow when Mark Sykes died on February 16, 1919, a few months before his fortieth birthday. Exhausted from his Eastern travels, he had arrived at the Paris Peace Conference. He had joined a friend on February 10 to attend a production of Massenet’s Thais set in fourth-century Egypt. He fell ill that night, a presumed vicim of the Spanish flu epidemic, the deadliest of the century, which claimed twenty to forty million lives. His wife was also stricken but survived him.


    I think Sykes had begun to change his tune during the last year of his life, having by now appraised the Zionists for what they really were.

  176. CJ, I think you’re right on the money! And I’m astonished that only one poster here has mentioned

    Its latest updates list several well-respected medical professionals who are trying to explain to the world that what we should be watching is not “mortality statistics” but “EXCESS mortality statistics”, which (in Europe and America at least) so far do NOT support the MSM narrative.

    You can find mortality versus time, charted by country at Presumably the largest “bumps” in each chart illustrate the annual resurgence of “ordinary” flu.

    The website notes that: “Over the past few days, the EuroMOMO hub has received many questions about the weekly all-cause mortality data and the possible contribution of any COVID-19 related mortality. Some wonder why no increased mortality is observed in the reported mortality figures for the COVID-19 affected countries.

    The answer is that increased mortality that may occur primarily at subnational level or within smaller focal areas, and/or concentrated within smaller age groups, may not be detected at the overall national level. This even more so in the pooled European-wide analysis, given the large total population denominator. Furthermore, there is always a few weeks of delay in death registration and reporting. Hence, the EuroMOMO mortality figures for the most recent weeks must be interpreted with some caution.

    Therefore, although increased mortality is currently not being observed in the EuroMOMO figures, this does not mean that increased mortality does not occur in some areas or in some age groups, including mortality related to COVID-19.”

    OK, but isn’t it just a little suspicious that so far, not even Italy is displaying even the start of a bump? Unfortunately, the EuroMOMO folks don’t put a number on “a few weeks of delay” (can anyone here narrow it down?) but after that time has elapsed, we’ll know the truth, one way or the other.

    My guess is that we are living in a 21st Century chapter of “Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds”, driven by political opportunism, anti-Chinese racism and anti-Iranian Zionist-psychopathy, unreliable medical testing, sloppy analysis of ambiguous statistical “data”, and uncritical but lurid reporting/propaganda from most of the MSM. It’s not inconceivable that COVID-19 really *is* much more often fatal to those with Chinese ancestry, than to people of European ancestry, who are now collectively losing the little that’s left of their minds, across much of the “Western World”… Wait and see.

  177. We have no idea how many people are infected in the US and that denominator determines the fatality rate NOT the number of hospitalized cases (using hospitalized cases in last years light flu cases only 490,600 were hospitalized and only 34,200 died ( fatality rate of HOSPITALIZED cases 6.9% for seasonal flu). However the estimate of cases of flu cases was 35 million (fatality rate drops to about 0.1%). Best guesses are COVID-19 being 10-times deadlier than the average flu (if you believe the experts), mostly concentrated in those over 65 years old (98% of the Italian victims, although every year there are high numbers of flu victims in Italy, due to high population of aged frail people). Possibly more like three-times as deadly as the flu, in which this is all overkill and wasted effort. Only 40% of Americans even receive a flu shot.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  178. Liza says:

    It also shows how entire societies are extremely vulnerable and easily controlled.

    Maybe I sound like a broken record but no leader can act without the army and police behind him (her). So the question might be why the army and police are so willing to harm or kill their own people to keep a totalitarian system in place (or encourage its developing). Are they so stupid they can’t see that that they are nothing more than fodder for Dear Leader(s). You know – the ones the alligator will eat last.

    God almighty, what have we come to.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  179. @Commentator Mike

    Exactly why I oppose these draconian quarantines!

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  180. @Fidelios Automata

    Unfortunately there is nothing we can do except complain on websites such as this as emergency measures give the authorities the power to do what they want (they do anyway but usually keep some facade). The question of course is whether this coronavirus is really a disaster requiring disaster management on this level, but the consequences of the management will certainly be a disaster. Until people wake up – if they ever will.

  181. It really is becoming a nightmare.

    There is open talk now of which general will step in if the White House is incapacitated.

    There is also talk of secret discussions inside part of the government about suspending habeas corpus.

  182. antibeast says:

    So here is the question: Why did the Chinese react to a new strain of virus found in a lab so hysterically with quarantining, lockdowns, business closings, and hazmat suits?

    Because they discovered that Covid-19 came from somewhere else not the Wuhan Wet Market. Once they knew it wasn’t from animals, then it must be from humans. After that discovery, China went into full-scale national emergency mode.

  183. Vojkan says:

    Just hypothetically. Let’s say that I know a few other people who’ve made the same hypothesis as the author and that I am hypothetically one of them. But only hypothetically. God forbid I be one of them. In truth I’m nothing like those crazy conspiracists. Thank God, there are reasonable people who don’t hypothesise and feel so offended that you may hypothetically doubt our rulers’ best intentions that they will readily accomplish their civic duty to denounce you to the authorities for incitement to sedition.

  184. David says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The world is a goodly prison if you don’t have bad dreams.

  185. @Hibernian

    This is extremely common in China, actually, though we should distinguish between the civilian police that spend a lot of time yelling and getting punched by civvies, and the militant gendarme(wujin) that no one messes with.

    The wujin are pretty rare though, especially outside of Beijing.

  186. @Binks007

    If you visit the so called Third World you will meet people in the 80’s and 90’s who look like they spend all day in the gym. Some of these people still do hard physical labour in blazing heat from dawn to dusk. Many are so poor they cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol or processed food. Visit a favela in Rio and watch that 70 year old grandma haul 2 bags of groceries to the top of the mountain where she lives without breaking a sweat or gasping for breath. Folks on this North American continent are for the most part a stupid and lazy bunch who believe that they can lives as they please and a pill will fix all. They do not exercise, they eat junk, smoke and drink, drive everywhere, sit around all day and complain about everything and take multiple drugs. Many are obese. I have been to resorts where the elderly eat multiple times every day and eat all they can and drink all they can at each sitting plus eating and drinking between meals at the beach. Why would anyone be surprised most are sick. They burden and overload their systems. The digestive system cannot keep up. Many indulge in macabre conversations as to who just had the most horrific operations, hip replacements, new knees, a kidney removed, part of the liver cut out etc. AT times it sounds like a Frankenstein recreation or deconstruction.

    It is disconcerting to see this. A person approaching the age of 60 in this environment must feel a sense of terror as the image of himself in his own mind is a reflection of all he sees around him. Yet this is not the case or is the case only in very affluent societies like ours.

    I have spent a day with a cane cutter 75 years old with a lean hard physique. He not only cuts the cane but must lug 100 lb bundles to the punt all day. He does not smoke or drink (too expensive) and his daily meals are frugal. Tea and a piece of bread for breakfast, a very small meal mostly rice and some vegetables with a piece of fried fish at noon and snack at about 3 pm. That’s it ! His entire village enjoys the same degree of health and vigor and not a pot belly or hanging flesh anywhere in sight.

    We bring sickness and ill health on ourselves because we believe we are so advanced we can abuse our bodies without suffering the consequences….and viruses like Corona just wait to invade and attack bodies and blood that is dirty and immune systems that are weak from years of abuse.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  187. @Michael888

    The big problem is that the statistics on infection rates and deaths are mostly coming from WHO and the CDC which are not trustworthy organizations and have a conflict of interest in that they gain more power and funding as more and more “alleged” cases of Coronavirus are reported , see:” America’s ‘Medical Deep State ‘ – the role of the CDC “
    “Politics and corruption at the World Health Organization(WHO)”

  188. @Digital Samizdat

    Seven dead out out 3500 people on the boat total is a death rate of 0.002%

    No it’s 0.2% only two orders of magnitude out.

    and if twenty percent of the total actually fell ill, then it’s a case fatality rate of 1%.

    Curiously the second figure is correct!

    That’s still lower than your average flu!

    No it’s about ten times the rate
    The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.

  189. dfordoom says: • Website

    So the question might be why the army and police are so willing to harm or kill their own people to keep a totalitarian system in place (or encourage its developing).

    Because the army and the police have an Us and Them culture. Especially the police, who fear and distrust anyone who isn’t a cop.

    It comes down to the fact that the police and the peacetime volunteer army attract people who are natural bullies and thugs.

    • Thanks: Liza
  190. gsjackson says:

    Been on five cruises, same experience. The passengers appear to have only slightly more vitality than found in the typical nursing home.

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