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My columns haven’t been very funny recently. This one isn’t going to be any funnier. Sorry. Fascism makes me cranky.

I don’t mean the kind of fascism the corporate media and the fake Resistance have been desperately hyping for the last four years. God help me, but I’m not terribly worried about a few hundred white-supremacist morons marching around with tiki torches hollering Nazi slogans at each other, or Jewish-Mexican-American law clerks flashing “OK” signs on TV, or smirking schoolkids in MAGA hats.

I’m talking about actual, bona fide fascism, or totalitarianism, if you want to get technical. The kind where governments declare a global “state of emergency” on account of a virus with a 0.2% to 0.6% lethality (and that causes mild, flu-like symptoms, or absolutely no symptoms whatsoever, in over 97% of those infected), locks everyone down inside their homes, suspends their constitutional rights, terrorizes them with propaganda, and unleashes uniformed goon squads on anyone who doesn’t comply with their despotic decrees.

I’m talking about the kind of totalitarianism where the police track you down with your smartphone data and then come to your house to personally harass you for attending a political protest, or attack you for challenging their illegitimate authority, and then charge you with “assault” for fighting back, and then get the media to publish a story accusing you of having “set up” the cops.

I’m talking about the kind of totalitarianism where the secret police are given carte blanche to monitor everyone’s Internet activity, and to scan you with their “surveillance helmets,” and dictate how close you can sit to your friends, and menace you with drones and robot dogs, and violently pry your kids out of your arms and arrest you if you dare to protest.

I’m talking about the kind of totalitarianism that psychologically tortures children with authoritarian loyalty rituals designed to condition them to live in fear, and respond to absurd Pavlovian stimuli, and that encourages the masses to turn off their brains and mechanically repeat propaganda slogans, like “wear a mask” and “flatten the curve,” and to report their neighbors to the police for having an “illegal” private party … and to otherwise reify the manufactured mass hysteria the authorities need to “justify” their totalitarianism.

Yeah, that kind of stuff makes me cranky.

And you know what makes me really cranky? I’ll tell you what makes me really cranky. It is people who publicly project themselves as “anti-authoritarians” and “anti-fascists,” or who have established their “anti-establishment” brands and “dissident” personas on social media, or even in the corporate media, either zealously cheerleading this totalitarianism or looking away and saying nothing as it is rolled out by the very authorities and media propagandists they pretend to oppose. I don’t know exactly why, but that stuff makes me particularly cranky.

I’ll provide you with a few examples.

The militant “Portland anti-fascists” who the corporate media fell in love with and made famous for bravely fighting off the Trump-loving Putin-Nazi Menace over the course of the last four years, as soon as the Corona-Totalitarianism began, did what all true anti-fascists do when the state goes full-blown fascist … no, they did not “smash the state,” or “occupy the streets,” or anything like that. They masked-up and started making vegan hand sanitizer.

Popular Internet “anti-imperialists” started accusing everyone opposing the lockdown of being part of some far-right Republican plot to “promote mass death under the banner of freedom” or to “normalize death” to benefit rich people, or being members of a “death cult,” or something. Celebrity socialists took to Twitter to warn that we would “shortly have the blood of thousands of people on our hands,” and call us “anti-vaxxers” and “flat earth fucks.” Indie political and military analysts patiently explained why governments needed to be able to pull people out of their homes against their will and quarantine them. Anarchist anthropologists averred that the lockdown wasn’t damaging the productive economy; it was only damaging the “bullshit economy,” and those complaining about being out of work were people whose work is “largely useless.”

Others simply looked away or sat there in silence as we were confined to our homes, and made to carry “permission papers” to walk to work or the corner grocery store, and were beaten and arrested for not “social-distancing,” and were otherwise bullied and humiliated for no justifiable reason whatsoever. (We are talking about a virus, after all, that even the official medical experts, e.g., the U.K.’s Chief Medic, admit is more or less harmless to the vast majority of us, not the Bubonic Fucking Plague or some sort of Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu … so spare me the “we-had-no-choice-but-to-go-totalitarian” rationalization.)

My intent is not merely to mock these people (i.e., these “radical,” “anti-establishment” types who fell into formation and started goose-stepping because the media told them we were all going to die), but also to use them as a clear example of how official narratives are born and take hold.

That’s somewhat pertinent at the moment, because the “Brave New Normal” official narrative has been born, but it has not yet taken hold. What happens next will determine whether it does.

In order to understand how this works, imagine for a moment that you’re one of these people who are normally skeptical of the government and the media, and that you consider yourself an anti-authoritarian, or at least a friend of the working classes, and now you are beginning to realize that there is no Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu (just as there were no “WMDs,” no “Russian hackers,” no “pee-tape,” etc.), and so it dawns on you that you’ve been behaving like a hysterical, brainwashed, fascist minion of the very establishment you supposedly oppose … or at the very least like an abject coward.

Imagine how you might feel right now.

You would probably feel pretty foolish, right? And more than a little ashamed of yourself. So … OK, what would do about that? Well, you would have a couple of options.

Option Number One would be admit what you did, apologize to whomever you have to, and try like hell not to do it again. Not many people are going to choose this option.

Most people are going to choose Option Number Two, which is to desperately try to deny what they did, or to desperately rationalize what they did (and in many cases are still actively doing). Now, this is not as easy at it sounds, because doing that means they will have to continue to believe (or at least pretend to believe) that there is an Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu which is going to kill hundreds of millions of people the moment we stop locking everyone down, and forcing them to “social distance,” and so on. They will have to continue to pretend to believe that this Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu exists, even though they know it doesn’t.

And this is where that Orwellian “doublethink” comes in. People (i.e., these “anti-authoritarians,” not to mention the majority of the “normal” public) are not going to want to face the fact that they’ve been behaving like a bunch of fascists (or cowards) for no justifiable reason whatsoever. So, what they are going to do instead is desperately pretend that their behavior was justified and that the propaganda they have been swallowing, and regurgitating, was not propaganda, but rather, “the Truth.”

In other words, in order to avoid their shame, they are going to do everything in their power to reify the official narrative and delegitimize anyone attempting to expose it as the fiction that it is. They are going to join in with the corporate media that are calling us “extremists,” “conspiracy theorists,” “anti-vaxxers,” and other such epithets. They’re going to accuse those of us on the Left of aligning with “far-Right Republican militias,” and “Boogaloo accelerationists,” and of being members of the Russian-backed “Querfront,” and assorted other horrible things meant to scare errant leftists into line.

Above all, they are going to continue to insist, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that we are “under attack” by a “killer virus” which could “strike again at any time,” and so we have to maintain at least some level of totalitarianism and paranoia, or else … well, you know, the terrorists win.

It is this reification of the official narrative by those too ashamed to admit what they did (and try to determine why they did it), and not the narrative or the propaganda itself, that will eventually establish the “Brave New Normal” as “reality” (assuming the process works as smoothly as it did with the “War on Terror,” the “War on Populism,” and the “Cold War” narratives). The facts, the data, the “science” won’t matter. Reality is consensus reality … and a new consensus is being formed at the moment.

There is still a chance (right now, not months from now) for these people (some of whom are rather influential) to stand up and say, “Whoops! I screwed up and went all Nazi there for a bit.” But I seriously doubt that is going to happen.

It’s much more likely that the Brave New Normal (or some intermittent, scaled-down version of it) will gradually become our new reality. People will get used to being occasionally “locked down,” and being ordered to wear masks, and not to touch each other, and to standing in designated circles and boxes, like they got used to the “anti-Terrorism measures,” and believing that Trump is a “Russian asset.” The coming economic depression will be blamed on the Alien-Terrorist-Death-Flu, rather than on the lockdown that caused it. Millions of people will be condemned to extreme poverty, or debt-enslaved for the rest of their lives, but they’ll be too busy trying to survive to mount any kind of broad resistance.

The children, of course, won’t know any better. They will grow up with their “isolation boxes,” and “protective barriers,” and “contact tracing,” and they will live in constant low-grade fear of another killer virus, or terrorist attack, or Russian-backed white supremacist uprising, or whatever boogeyman might next appear to menace the global capitalist empire, which, it goes without saying, will be just fine.

Me, I’ll probably remain kind of cranky, but I will try to find the humor in it all. Bear with me … that might take a while.

C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and political satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing and Broadway Play Publishing, Inc. His dystopian novel, Zone 23, is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. Volume I of his Consent Factory Essays is published by Consent Factory Publishing, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Amalgamated Content, Inc. He can be reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org.

 
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  1. Thank you for another wonderful article Mr. Hopkins.

    You are a voice of reason in a world gone mad.

  2. Asshole douchbag. I wonder who pays him to write this phony-baloney lying old-switcheroo shit.

    And get this. He used to mock people who thought the fascist apocalypse is coming.

    Now he thinks the fascist apocalypse is coming.

    This is a very common psychological problem. It’s like when a woman says she’s never ever going to, uh, kiss someone and then kisses them. Very similar. The object stays the same but the subject reverses.

    I’ll tell you what. “Opening up” is when we go back to real fascism.

  3. R.C. says:

    We are witnessing the intentional death throes of the world’s free economies.
    What follows ‘Covid 1984 Plandemic’?
    Why, ‘Covid 1984 Planned Econony’, of course!
    I fear it’s gonna get ugly, and sooner rather than later.
    R.C.
    Two Twain? truisms the proles will never learn until it’s far too late:
    -“Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.”; and,
    -“Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.”
    RC

    • Replies: @Biff
  4. eD says:

    On this particular event, I researched COVID-19 a few months ago, before the lockdowns hit my part of the United States, and realized that it was BS. However, since I am powerless this had no effect on my day to day life. I didn’t have the money to spend a year in a non-lockdown country, not that many exist, or retreat to some estate in the countryside. I neither own or control a business or facility that I could defy the lockdowns and keep open. I still need to have to wear a mask to go grocery shopping or starve.

    This was the case with other hoaxes such as WMD, so I am not sure who these things are aimed out. I also don’t know how many proles (who, remember, mostly don’t vote) really believe in them. Since they have no power, it makes no difference if they do or not. Unless you own or operate a business or something like a church that can be closed by a lockdown order, the most you can do is avoid wearing the mask that signals your compliance, and even then they get you if you have to enter a store.

    The hoaxes might be aimed at the lower level functionaries, the gym owners, the lower level administrators, the cops, the inspectors who are still needed to physically enforce the edicts on the local level. However, even here, there is a collective action problem with disobedience, its only effective if a mass of them disobey, a lone individual disobeying will face retaliation.

  5. Levtraro says:

    My intent is not merely to mock these people (i.e., these “radical,” “anti-establishment” types who fell into formation and started goose-stepping because the media told them we were all going to die), but also to use them as a clear example of how official narratives are born and take hold.

    Do you read scientific articles? I know you are not a medical doctor or a scientist so no point asking about your actual experience in dealing with the virus, but you can read. Many informed and intelligent people have formed their opinion of this epidemics by reading the reported scientific evidence, experiments, epidemiological modelling, not the media. I have posted several articles published in top-ranking journals demonstrating the effectiveness of containment in China (recently a new work has been published with an analysis of the dynamics in Germany). These articles also offer the data and computer code freely to reproduce the results or adapt them to other situations.

    I don’t know where you live and I am sorry that you are experiencing the fascist apocalypse (obwandiyag, above) while sitting at your desk typing out your pieces. Where I live in Europe there was a serious epidemics that is now getting under control thanks to the strategy of containment. There has been no fascist uprising and there have been no politicians suddenly sig-heiling people into the totalitarian nightmare that you describe. We are all tired of this shit but as I can see around me nearly all agree that the infections have to be contained and that the effort to achieve containment has been worth the pain. I guess to stop pathogens that kill or cause great suffering to people from spreading further is a humanitarian demand, regardless of the age or health of the victims.

    Also, contrary to the nightmarish situation you describe in your country, here politicians seem to be too eager to come back to their normal routine. They are not looking to perpetuate a state of emergency, quite on the contrary, scientific committes are advising them to carry on a bit further (with many postdocs doing to modelling in the background) and de-escalate in a gradual manner.

    But what you describe is truly nightmarish. I see you quote a lot of twitter posts and other media to susbtantiate your fears. So either you go out and fight the fascists hordes sig-hailing you into totalitarianism from twitter, or instead you read scientific papers and calm down.

  6. Don’t forget ‘Covidiots’. The frontline-worker-lovin’, government-narrative-believin’ social-distance welcomin’ simpletons are endlessly inventive when it comes to coining contemptuous nicknames for those who don’t buy into their embrace of madness. I am happy to be able to say I thought the virus was bogus from the first, and said so to anyone who would listen.

    So, now there’s a big demographic who stuck paper hearts in their windows the way gold-star mothers used to advertise that Someone In This House Has Gone To War. A demographic that clapped like seals every evening at 7:00 PM to show its support for everyone who was still allowed to do their job. That happily buckled down to a war mentality which excused the withdrawal of individual rights in favour of the public good. As you suggest, embarrassment is on the near horizon – what will the reaction be?

    The first thing that should happen is that everyone who was in a political leadership position during this debacle, and went along with it, should be unceremoniously kicked out of office. The WHO leadership should all be fired. Police chiefs should be invited to resign, effective immediately. Everyone who willingly went along with this farce and has a responsibility to more than themselves and their immediate families should be made to publicly apologize, or wear a paper mask with “I’m an idiot” printed on it in lipstick.

    • Agree: thordaddy, Kratoklastes
  7. @Levtraro

    I live in Europe there was a serious epidemics that is now getting under control thanks to the strategy of containment. There has been no fascist uprising and there have been no politicians suddenly sig-heiling people into the totalitarian nightmare that you describe.

    Well, in Britain (which is still part of Europe geographically) all protests, demonstrations and the like have been banned. Local elections have been delayed by one year.

    The virus has been circulating since November and the excess mortality rate over and above the background rate did not start until after the lockdown commended in March. Part of this is due to the cancellation of elective surgery for at least three months – no transplants, much reduced diagnoses of new cancer cases, people with heart attacks and stroke staying away from hospitals and so on.

    There has been a veritable holocaust in care homes – caused by lack of visits from GPs and a lack of availability of hospital care, and the rush to empty hospitals of older people back to care homes regardless of whether or not they had the infection. Care homes were by (emergency) law not permitted to refuse entry.

    Every Thursday we are encouraged to spend several minutes of our house arrest going outdoors and clapping for the National Health Service. It’s a bit like a love version of the Two Minutes of Hate in Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    Well done on getting your articles published. That boast does little for the reputation of these “top ranking publications.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  8. @Levtraro

    Did you say, “epidemiological modelling’? You mean, like the epidemiological model that started the whole jaw-dropping overreaction in the first place? This epidemiological model?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/professor-lockdown-modeler-resigns-in-disgrace/

    The one that varied by as many as 80,000 deaths over 80 days in subsequent runs without changing any of the feed parameters? That epidemiological model? Yes, that’s the sort of scientific work that calms me down every time.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
    • Replies: @Levtraro
  9. It’s funny how American-expat-in-Germany Hopkins has generally been a huge supporter of European democratic socialism, as opposed to the Trumpian or neoliberal America which he finds so distasteful. And yet, those European countries actually locked down more ruthlessly than America. In Spain, France and the UK you couldn’t even get in your car and drive 50 miles without the risk of being stopped. That was never the case here. Freedom of movement was never under threat in the U.S. I wonder what he thinks about that.

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Curmudgeon
  10. SteveK9 says:

    C. J., whatever hope there is in the US, lies in the fact that the country is not homogeneous. I don’t think most people have yet realized that this was an epidemic in NYC and nowhere else. There were deaths, but a very small number. Los Angeles County has 11 million people and ~ 1700 deaths. Not every place is requiring a ‘mask’ of shame yet. Hopefully, a few states ‘open up’ and nothing happens, and then more, and finally if New Yorkers and a few other places want to cower and cringe for the rest of their lives, they are free to do so.

  11. SteveK9 says:

    Example: Florida vs New York (from RT): DeSantis is the Republican Governor of Florida.

    Florida has been one of the first states to roll back lockdown orders and allow many non-essential businesses to reopen.

    Many critics in the media predicted that Florida would end up “just like Italy” two weeks after reopening, DeSantis continued. “Well, hell, we’re eight weeks away from that and it hasn’t happened.”

    New York, with a population of over 19 million, has had over 250,000 cases and more than 28,000 deaths from the coronavirus. Though it has a larger population – 21 million – and more high-risk elderly residents, Florida has registered just over 47,000 cases and some 2,000 deaths.

    And yet the MSM praises Cuomo to the skys, and lambasts DeSantis. Also, ignored is Cuomo’s decision to empty hospitals of elderly patients and send them back to nursing homes (to die).

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  12. Face Diaper.

    Can’t remember where I read that (maybe Taki), but every time I see a picture of these fools, I laff my ass off, ‘cuz, as described, the masks just keep getting BIGGER. Now, even in my hokey little town of 1,500, well off the beaten-track, idiots are wandering around the streets and the ONE store wearing plexiglass welding face shields (is that even a THING? Would’ve thought welders needed something more substantial, but thereya go). Mostly, we here don’t give a shit, and since there’s no business here anyway, nobody was fired or laid off. Sadly, however, there’s no chickens at the hardware store until June.

    Guess it’ll give me time to build a coop if I can get the relatives to move out before I hang myself–7 people in a single-wide, and six of them hate me.

    Joy.

    • Replies: @Biff
  13. nsa says:

    Style Advice Please. Don’t have a wu-wu virus face mask, so plan to wear girl’s panties over my head when leaving the house with the ears sticking out the leg holes . But am perplexed as to whether the hash mark should go in the front or the back. Sartorial counsel appreciated as do not want to look foolish.

    • LOL: gsjackson
    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  14. Hail says: • Website

    The kind where governments declare a global “state of emergency” on account of a virus with a 0.2% to 1% lethality

    Most of the studies are converging on the 0.1% range; any above 0.2% are now unusual outliers. In the words of Swiss Propaganda Research’s “A Swiss Doctor on COVID19” series (which is the link provided in this essay):

    According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.2%, which is in the range of a severe influenza (flu) and about twenty times lower than originally assumed by the WHO.

    From the Lethality page:

    Covid-19 infection fatality rates (IFR) based on antibody studies

    Population-based antibody seroprevalence studies.

    Global May 19 12 countries 0.02% – 0.40%

    A single case was at 0.4%, Geneva, reporting as of a certain point in April; given that this is an outlier, I expect that a follow-up done now would report it down in Geneva. Wuhan reported 0.3%. Gangelt, Germany, 0.25% (small study; early outbreak).

    The other nine studies in the meta-analysis average <0.1% deaths to those who are corona-positive (0.085%; range: 0.02% to 0.17%). Of course, this is Just The Flu territory, but the Corona-True-Believers still think that’s laughable and worthy of derision. But there it is: <0.1%.

    The virus is not going to cause any noticeable full-year mortality rise almost anywhere. The Panic-induced deaths might, in some places.

    • Replies: @CJ Hopkins
    , @Miro23
  15. Hail says: • Website

    in order to avoid their shame, they are going to do everything in their power to reify the official narrative and delegitimize anyone attempting to expose it as the fiction that it is. They are going to join in with the corporate media that are calling us “extremists,” “conspiracy theorists,” “anti-vaxxers,” and other such epithets.

    they are going to continue to insist, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that we are “under attack” by a “killer virus” which could “strike again at any time,”

    What you are describing, and the whole Corona-Reaction phenomenon broadly, is a religious cult. The Corona Cult.

    “Is Corona a religious cult? An anthropological study.” (Corona as virus-centered apocalypse cult; its ascent to state religion; the mass-conversion event to the cult; a study of the cult), by me, May 18. (See also, “The Modern-Day Cult of Corona,” by Helen Buyinski.)

    I have come to understand that only in terms of religion can Corona be understood. A close look shows Corona fits all the indicators of a cult in the anthropological sense, and vert well. It is a literal religious cult (as in, non-metaphorical).

    “Postmodern Western people don’t do religion, don’t do religious movements, so people haven’t realized this is what it is.”

    • Agree: Adam Smith, Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Digital Samizdat
  16. @Levtraro

    I live in Europe there was a serious epidemics that is now getting under control thanks to the strategy of containment.

    He’s had “articles published”, but can’t remember the golden rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Levtraro
    , @theMann
  17. Mr. Anon says:

    They’re going to accuse those of us on the Left of aligning with “far-Right Republican militias,” and “Boogaloo accelerationists,” and of being members of the Russian-backed “Querfront,” and assorted other horrible things meant to scare errant leftists into line.

    This been mirrored on the alt-right, where people like Hunter Wallace at Occidental Dissent derides anyone who doesn’t share his by now weeks-long hyperventillating panic attack as a muh-freedom-loving-cuck, or a leftist fellow-traveller, or a crazy conspiracy-theorist (which is funny given that his commentariat seemed to largely consist of knee-jerk false-flag idiots and flat-earthers).

  18. Biff says:
    @Pissedoffalese

    in a single-wide,

    I’m guessing you got a double-wide.

  19. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    Every Thursday we are encouraged to spend several minutes of our house arrest going outdoors and clapping for the National Health Service. It’s a bit like a love version of the Two Minutes of Hate in Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    Remember our boys bravely fighting on the Malabar Front!

    As you implied, it’s just a different side of the same coin. If a second-wave hits, people will be encouraged to go out on their balconies and shout out their hatred for “covid-deniers” and “anti-vaxxers”.

    • Replies: @Hail
  20. @Levtraro

    He lives in Germany. Who have a low incidence of the disease, and so he doesn’t get it in his face like he would in some other countries.

    And I swear to god, for like a whole year before the epidemic, he was writing these “humorous” articles mocking people for thinking that fascism was on the rise.

    I guess it’s too much to expect consistency.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    , @Vojkan
    , @Wielgus
  21. Biff says:
    @R.C.

    throes of the world’s free economies.

    What is a “free” economy?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  22. JSlade says:
    @Levtraro

    It’s not going back to normal Even the politicians realize that there’s no point in lying to us that it will. Many small businesses won’t return. Men like Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt will be able to force their autistic view on reality on the rest of us. Just watch CNN for 5 minutes and you’ll get a good idea of what the “new normal” is gonna look like. Break through that denial now. Shit is about to get real, or should I say , virtual. Right now you can’t even tell difference.

  23. chris says:
    @Adam Smith

    It’s also absolutely brilliant!!!

  24. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    did what all true anti-fascists do when the state goes full-blown fascist …

    Curious, isn’t it? These Antifa and other supposed loony lefty groups suddenly are all in with government totalitarianism. I saw some Maoist-RCP front group counter-picket an anti-lockdown rally. It tends to confirm my feeling that those groups are infiltrated and run by government agencies. This certainly was the most successful fear-mongering propaganda campaign of all time, full-spectrum 24/7 hysteria what with their death counts and all. This was also a training exercise. They’ll analyze how this played out and refine it for the next time just as ‘color revolutions’ were refined and turned into a how-to textbook. Any doubt about there being a next time?

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  25. Mr. Hopkins, from this 4th article of yours that I’ve read, I see you are really going places with the truth. I’d have probably made an effort to back-read your older stuff, maybe a couple of columns per day, had I not just seen that you are a lefty, by your own admission. As one expert on this insanity, blogger/commenter E.H. Hail has noted, this Panic/anti-Panic divide cuts across normal political divides though.

    You bring up the Cold War as some sort of made-up thing like the “War on Terra” and the “War on Drugs” (my addition), and this War against this “virus of mass destruction”, which is wrong (about the Cold War, not the rest), and it seems GloboCap(TM) is your trademark term (making no sense – I have not seen Capitalism operating without Big-Gov anywhere in the world lately, outside the illegal-Mexican run flea markets). However, I will leave that behind, as you may learn something else as you see some of the behavior you note in the antifa people and others of the left that you rightly are disgusted by here.

    Therefore, I will keep reading your latest, greatest rants, “rants” said in a most admiring way, and pointing them out to friends and on the Peak Stupidity blog. Can the rest of the non-hysterical among us on the left and right around the world possibly realize from this Panic-Fest response what totalitarianism is all about? I mean, before it’s too late, that is – that’d sure be nice. Maybe ideological definitions should be created from scratch out of this.

    I like the 2nd half of this article, in which you explain very well, in my opinion, that 2nd option that people who have been so far wrong on this issue will almost all pick. There is no way you will get an “I was wrong” admission, much less an apology, from anyone without the integrity of a Steve Sailer, meaning, well, here on unz, nobody but Steve Sailer. Those people will be obligated to stick to their original story and do that double-thinking, even supporting Totalitarianism when they know quite well what it entails. People don’t like to be wrong.

    A prediction of mine is that, once it is realized that deaths of old people around the world will be pretty much the same in 2020 as in other years, along with telling us that this is because we DID properly LOCKDOWN and SHELTER-IN-PLACE! per Big-Bro’s instructions and then they will bring up “it’s baaaack” every so often.

    Thank you for another great article, Mr. Hopkins.

    • Replies: @J. Gutierrez
  26. @eD

    There is plenty you can do, Ed, by example. Maybe it’s my State, in which people are pretty laid back about this, whatever side they are on, but nobody ever told me to wear a mask, even though I didn’t right up through last week*. I can go into the Target store right now, and if I get any BS, I’ll let myself get pulled out of the store.

    It won’t happen like that here though, Ed. People are in friendly defiance all over the place. I suggest you do the same thing. All it takes is 300,000,000 people saying “there is nothing I can do”, to let this shit get worse. It only takes a couple of dozen or so people in one place – a little too big a crowd for the police to handle without some real trouble – to lead the rest out of this stupidity.

    You read the column – I take this just as seriously as Mr. Hopkins.

    .

    * I’ve written about this elsewhere, that, because I promised my wife, I’ve finally worn one of these in stores (part-time), on an airliner, and in busy places. This is solely because she was getting very upset, with a lack of sleep being a factor, with that always ready phone-infotainment around. It was either start lying to her (I wasn’t going to), not go to stores or travel for work, have us on extremely bad terms, causing grief to the whole family, or wear it for a while. It’s the same stupid blue thing I’ve kept in my pocket for a week – yes, it’s probably spreading more germs that it filters – I don’t care.

  27. Cheer up, CJ: You can always try to smuggle a pen into the gulag to write your pieces on toilet paper. Wait! Between the body cavity searches and the lack of toilet paper, you might not be able to keep calm and carry on, but if you’re lucky, they’ll give you The Complete Works of Paul Krugman, and you can use some of that to wipe and some of it to cut out letters to tell your story.

    • Thanks: PetrOldSack
  28. Parfois1 says:

    I guess to stop pathogens that kill or cause great suffering to people from spreading further is a humanitarian demand, regardless of the age or health of the victims.

    I fully agree that the first reaction of a decent health system in an epidemic breakout is to contain the infection, look after the sick and protect the most vulnerable. Containment and isolation is the first line of defence when the threat is real or imminent and that has been learned from the historical record when plagues got out of control and decimated towns and villages.

    This epidemic was first reported by China as of a particularly nasty virulence, easy transmissibility and causing multi-organ pathologies to such an extent that the Wuhan epicenter’s medical facilities were overwhelmed with victims and had to erect two hospitals in record time to look after them. Facing a new and, then unknown, threat, the responsible authorities acted swiftly to isolate the threat, study it and contain it to the regional source of the virus to protect the rest of the country. As a result of a firm policy of containment, the rest of China was barely touched by the epidemic, worked as normal and the number of deaths for the most populated country on Earth was limited to under 4,000. It worked, saved many lives and the Chinese economy only suffered a short hiccup.

    While China was in the throes of a potential calamity because of its population’s high density, almost all other countries, except its most immediate neighbours, looked on (many in the US with glee), made jokes about the Chan-virus and the ruling elites did nothing to protect their respective peoples. When it hit them, all they could do was to blame China and, too late, followed the Chinese way when the horse had already bolted. What makes this tragically farcical is that the US think-tanks, wheeler-dealers and medical experts had recently “gamed” such scenario in their computer modelling exercise Event 201, almost coincidentally with the beginning of the, still undetected, infections, which were reported later. That delay in taking firm and drastic action to effectively prevent infestation led eventually to high mortality in the densely populated countries of Western Europe (namely Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Holland and UK) and New York. Amongst all that callous inefficiency there are some “miraculous” exceptions, such as Australia ( casual lockdown, 24 million, only 100 dead) and New Zealand, almost untouched by the coronavirus.

    So, timely and systematic containment and isolation as the first defence for the protection of the people works and enables the country to resume normal life again within a short time (look at China’s full-steam ahead for weeks now). It was a very efficient short and sharp treatment of a public health issue. In some other countries, particularly the US, it become a heartless political game of point-scoring, the people being the ball to kick around the field.

    When the post-morten is done (but even now some lobertarians are already claiming the fictional SS, the “Sweden Success”) the political football game will be replayed with unruly vigour instead of having a hard-headed look at the disaster and its lessons and how a public health issue was transformed into a political one, or was it the other way around? A political scheme of sorts transformed into a public health issue to serve as cover for some ulterior purpose as I suspect.

    I have no doubts that the CV-19 is a real danger for any unprotected population and reports from the coalface about the victims’ suffering are a sobering reminder of our mortality, therefore the measures, if taken by the health authorities for the welfare of the people, are legitimate and deserving our approval. But the politicization of a disaster for a hidden agenda is another matter altogether and Hopkins is right to highlight the totalitarian facet lurking behind the promoters of the pandemic, whether the source of it or the opportunistic gain of function from it.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  29. @eD

    I am not sure who these things are aimed at

    Karens and Cucks. That’s who these things are aimed at: obese dim-witted middle-aged she-beasts whose sexual value has gone through zero and who want to scold the world… and the beta-males who are ‘head’ of their households.

    The Karens buy in immediately because it gives them social power; the cucks are cucked and so are largely irrelevant (except to the extent that their beta-ness prevents them from offering a counterbalance).

    The net effect on the household is that the kids get – via Karen – the worldview of retards like Sanjay .Gupta and Dr Phil.

    The net effect on society is that finger-wagging fat 40-something women becomes a norm outside of middle-school classrooms (it’s been a norm inside classrooms for a generation, which is why kids can’t read despite spending $15k of public funds per student per year).

    This is why I refer to CNN etc as HousewifeTV. Like women’s magazines, it has less intellectual content than Dora the Explorer – but stupid obese 40-something women lap it up. (Stupid obese 40-something men are also a waste of space, but they’re benign by comparison – because nobody cares if you tell them to fuck off).

    • Agree: Delta G
    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @Alden
    , @Curmudgeon
  30. The real illness out there: The need to be led.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  31. Parfois1 says:
    @Levtraro

    My comment #30 is a reply to Levtraro’s comment #5.

  32. Yusef says:
    @Levtraro

    “Many informed and intelligent people have formed their opinion of this epidemics by reading the reported scientific evidence, experiments, epidemiological modelling, not the media.”

    I applaud you for reading the scientific literature rather than getting your information from the MSM.

    However, something fishy is going on in the world of science. If this goes on much longer, I will no longer refer to it as “the world of science.”

    Have you seen this? https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6490/489.full “Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed”–Kai KupferschmidtFeb. 3, 2020.

    One of the contributors to the flawed study is quoted as having said, “…people felt this had to be communicated quickly.” This is shocking and absolutely unacceptable. These guys should be dismissed and facing criminal charges. People panicked over these kind of reports. They can almost be justified because if the virus could have done all the things reputable scientists were attributing to it, we were dealing with something the nature of which we’d never dealt with before. “There’s no doubt after reading [the NEJM] paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring,” Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told journalists. “This study lays the question to rest.” Heads need to roll.

    It is interesting to me you mention studies demonstrating the efficacy of the Chinese lockdowns after the lockdowns took place. Shouldn’t we have had those studies in hand beforehand, and isn’t there a possibility, in this new more lax climate of releasing results without peer review or complete disclosure (a la Moderna and others) of “covering their posteriors” to avoid admission of failure and cowardice?

    You think the containment measures saved us, not that the virus’s virulence was hyped. (NB https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6490/489.full. “These findings explain the rapid geographic spread of SARS-CoV-2 and indicate that containment of this virus will be particularly challenging.” The virus appears to have already spread throughout the world before containment measures were enacted. Do we care about that when we evaluate the effectiveness of the containment measures?)

    I would just like to ask: How sure are you this is not all because you fit the category Mr. Hopkins describes here, “In other words, in order to avoid their shame, they are going to do everything in their power to reify the official narrative and delegitimize anyone attempting to expose it as the fiction that it is. “?

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @anonymous
  33. onebornfree says: • Website

    “We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.” ~ Ayn Rand

    “The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater. ” Frank Zappa

    “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt the Younger, former British prime minister

    “Opium and morphine are certainly dangerous, habit-forming drugs. But once the principle is admitted that it is the duty of government to protect the individual against his own foolishness, no serious objections can be advanced against further encroachments. A good case could be made out in favor of the prohibition of alcohol and nicotine. And why limit the government’s benevolent providence to the protection of the individual’s body only? Is not the harm a man can inflict on his mind and soul even more disastrous than any bodily evils? Why not prevent him from reading bad books and seeing bad plays, from looking at bad paintings and statues and from hearing bad music?” Ludwig Von Mises

    “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.” Thomas Jefferson

    “When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have … The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson

    “When you abandon freedom to achieve security, you lose both and deserve neither.” Thomas Jefferson

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @nsa
  34. Levtraro says:
    @obwandiyag

    I noted that. Those pieces mocking the Russiagate-Nazi-Putin-Fascist hysteria were very funny indeed. But now he is yelling that the fascist regime is here because of the virus. It’s kind of second order funny.

    • Replies: @Poco
  35. Vojkan says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    There’s no purpose in arguing with those people. As said in the comment just above yours, they’re a cult and facts have no grip on cultists.

  36. Levtraro says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    The studies are no correlational. Read them to correct your error. I posted a cool set of top-notch research in another comment on this thread. Normally these articles are behind a paywall but publishing houses are letting all of them free for everyone to read.

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  37. @Hail

    I have revised (and asked Ron Unz to revise) the “0.2% – 1% lethality” cited in my original text to read “0.2% – 0.6% lethality” to reflect a low/high range of estimates, from the Swiss Propaganda Research data on the low end to the revised Imperial College IFR on the high end. Because so many people are jumping down each other’s throats with numbers, I thought both ends of the range should be sourced.

    • LOL: Biff
    • Replies: @idrankwhat
  38. Herald says:
    @obwandiyag

    Maybe Unz should have an “obwandiyag” button. It would likely be a very popular feature.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Che Guava
  39. Levtraro says:
    @Parfois1

    Thanks for your thoughtful reply to my comment. I agree there is substantial risk of opportunistic state aggrandizement due to the pandemics. But state-apparatchiks are nearly always looking for aggrandizement opportunities, especially in the USA where apparatchiks think they are exceptional, like to meddle in other people’s businesses, go on pontificating incessantly, and essentially work for powerful minorities.

  40. Vojkan says:
    @Hail

    Great piece by Helen Buyniski. I wonder how the Bill Gates’ pro-vaxx cultists at rt.com feel about it.

  41. Yes C.J, Bolshevism and its evil twin Fascism have come to America. It has come openly through the Democrat Party Governors who are using the current scamdemic and the gullibility of well over half the population to destroy their state economies. It has come covertly through a president who promised to return America to its former glory days by draining the swamp, but instead has refilled it and gone along with every insider policy there is. A president who is now promising forced vaccinations via our military and “others”(UN troops?).
    So get ready America, hell is coming to breakfast…

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat, Herald
    • Replies: @botazefa
  42. @Hail

    I call them the Branch Covidians — ‘We ain’t coming out!’

  43. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson

    Lockdown the entire Federal government to the “chains of the constitution”, plus all local and state governments NOW!

    ” Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.For the purpose of Section 242, acts under “color of law” include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the their lawful authority, but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official’s lawful authority, if the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties…. “.

    See [@ 2/3rds of way down page] : “Sue The Mayors, City Governments, State Governors! A Coronavirus Plandemic Lockdown Solution?”:
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2020/05/onebornfrees-special-scam-alerts-no141.html

    See: “Why Government Doesn’t Work”
    https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    Regards, onebornfree

  44. nickels says:

    Alexander Dugin nailed it.
    Welcome to the Medical Narco Facist States of Amerikkka.

  45. anon[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Leftotards are just waking up to the realization that they are the Billionaire Establishments Bxtch. These Antifa / anti-facist idiots are the useful idiots of the Billionaire funded Democratic party., and also their warped and pampered college professors.

    What drives these fools is their need of a UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME period !!! none of these idiots give a rats arse about fascism as most dont even know what it is, else they wouldnt cry for Totalitarian Communism.

  46. onebornfree says: • Website

    “What if the government has it wrong — on the medicine and the law?

    What if face masks can’t stop the COVID-19 virus? What if quarantining the healthy makes no medical sense? What if staying at home for months reduces immunity?

    What if more people have been infected with the virus in their homes than outside them?

    What if there are as many credible scientists and physicians who disagree with the government as those who agree with it?

    What if the government chooses to listen only to scientists and physicians who would tell it what it wanted to hear? What if the government silences scientists and physicians, and even fires one, who attempt to tell it what it didn’t want to hear?

    What if the government wants to stoke fear in the populace because mass fear produces mass compliance? What if individual fear reduces individual immunity?

    What if a healthy immunity gets stronger when challenged? What if a pampered immunity gets weaker when challenged? What if we all pass germs and viruses — that we don’t even know we have — on to others all the time, but their immune systems repel what we pass on to them?

    What if the COVID-19 virus has run its course and run into natural immunities? What if many folks have had symptom-free episodes with many viruses and are now immune from them? What if the government refuses to understand this because it undermines the government’s power to control us?……….What if — when the pandemic is over — folks sue the government for its destruction of life, liberty and property only to learn that the government gave itself immunity from such lawsuits? What if — when the pandemic is over — the government refuses to acknowledge its end?

    From: “What If the Government Has It Wrong?”:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/andrew-p-napolitano/what-if-the-government-has-it-wrong/

    Regrds, onebornfree

  47. theMann says:

    I am not sure how anything is going to play out at this point, but I will make two observations

    1. People don’t like being played, or made fools of. Maybe most of them will pretend they weren’t completely suckered, same as after 9/11, but maybe a critical mass of anger is building.

    2. I begin conversations with every mask wearing moron by commenting “I liked social distancing better under its original name – segregation. But let us practise standing apart, or in Afrikaans, apartheid.” Then I follow up with pointing out any mask is contaminated once you take it off, so, go work on radioactives, or something. The point is, no rational argument is going to work with the hysterical little girls pretending to be adults.

  48. @Levtraro

    The studies are no correlational.

    I’d say this has no relevance to what I said, but first it would have to make some normal sense. To be extra clear: that “lockdowns” stopped the spread of this virus is an assertion, and one disproved by Sweden and Belarus.

    Somehow the two facts of a) two-week or greater incubation period and b) delayed or “adequate” response by various nations do not add up in the covidiot’s mind to “the virus was already running its course by the time of lockdowns”, because it’s better for you to play chicken and the egg since you’ve already committed to the melodrama of coronamania. It’s hard admitting one was wrong, especially when the price tag isn’t presented right away.

    I posted a cool set of top-notch research in another comment on this thread.

    Indeed, I’ve looked at each these top-notch articles. But let me start with the first.

    The title of the first top-notch article is The lockdowns worked—but what comes next?. Now I’m unaware of any other field but Coronavirus Studies in which it’s acceptable simply to announce, rather than propose, the thing which an alleged research paper is supposed to examine and substantiate. But when it comes to the rona, the rules (like that pesky one about correlation not implying causation) go out the window.

    The second line is: The world is holding its breath. I’m also not aware of any other field which permits a cheap, moralistic tagline in its papers to preface alleged research. This is, of course, a huge red flag which you’re not supposed to question. “A specter is haunting Europe … ”

    (Well, technically the second line is: Science’s COVID-19 coverage is supported by the Pulitzer Center – very gracious of them to mention, and pretty much tipping their hand as far as their motives. Ever looked at the Board of Directors at Pulitzer? Lots of NYT “assistant managing editors”.)

    The rest is more of the same – a mix of petitio principii, moralism, bad metaphors, and ominous assumptions about how civilization should work in the opinion of this “Kai Kupferschmidt”. Here’s a charming example of the totally non-fascist, un-totalitarian “model” supported by your author:

    For now, the most likely scenario is one of easing social distancing measures when it’s possible, then clamping down again when infections climb back up, a “suppress and lift” strategy that both Singapore and Hong Kong are pursuing. Whether that approach can strike the right balance between keeping the virus at bay and easing discontent and economic damage remains to be seen.

    What you’re doing here is passing off opinion pieces as research, while ignoring the mountain of actual research that the opposition have been doing in the meantime as lunatics like you preach never-ending cycles of lock-and-lift, or excuse me, “suppress and lift”, as Herr Kupferschmidt would have it.

    But that’s all immaterial to me. I do not care about research. I am totally comfortable with a ~1%, even a 5% death rate affecting the elderly and grossly infirm. I don’t care about R or any other variable. I care about not having to wear masks or stand in boxes or read moralistic tripe like this that ham-handedly tries to justify it. I am not interested in “research” whose aim is my bondage to prophylactic theater, as someone here put it – not that any of what you’re offering qualifies as anything other than sunk cost fallacy propaganda, in my book.

  49. Phaeton says:

    Things are very easy.

    Smoking kills 8 million people per year in the world (plus many more millions of addicts). Have they forbidden tobacco? No.

    Alcoholism kills 3 millions people per year in the world. Have they forbidden alcohol? No.

    (these numbers according to WHO).

    “Covid-19”, with all the fraudulent data, have killed (sure?) 331.000 people up to this date. What have they done? All what Mr. Chopkins have said (i.e. shutting down the world’s economy, taking out our freedom, and much more).

    In other words: they don’t freaking care about our health. Why is that so difficult to understand for people?

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Thanks: Skeptikal
  50. I live here in PA, where the new normal resistance is real. The cops for the most part are looking the other way, except in Philadelphia. My local Amish hardware store was thankfully mask free zone. There is no social distancing at the ag auctions, nor are there masks. Someone (a pissed off Democrat no less) told me a “Karen” was at the Monday hay auction snapping pictures, and the auctioneer had people escort him out. Who’d a thunk the Amish and Mennonites leading the big old FU to Tommy Wolf and his freak health secretary? Those two clowns might just give Trump PA in the fall.

  51. Blip Blop says:

    Could we quit the constant libeling of “muh fascism?” Fascism was just an objectively more decent system than what we have now. At least those leaders made some attempt to benefit their people. Our current anarcho-tyrannical capitalist-socialist order squeezes us like rags to get the last drop of shekel from our crushed souls. You also cannot ignore the undercurrent of child abuse by our elites. The Fascists were quite moral and kind in comparison.

    • Agree: Mefobills
    • Replies: @Phaeton
  52. anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    This needs to go viral.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  53. Hope you don’t mind, I’m definitely using that one…

  54. theMann says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Helen Buyinski’s article is exceptionally accurate and detailed.

    Any chance Unz Review can reprint it?

  55. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adam Smith

    This whole Covid 19 thing has been a giant Pain in the Ass to everyone. Unfortunately it is too real to ignore. What bothers me is the whining by folks like Mr. Hopkins, who failed to speak up about the Patriot Act and the complaints by the intelligence depts because Apple security is too tight, or countless intrusions by our government masking anti-terrorism activities or any number of wasted political investigations, the list is endless. We are as close to Fascism and Totalitarianism as we have ever been. Lets face the fact that our government is no better than the countless regimes we have criticized over the years. We are a screwed up nation that has drifted so far from the constitution, that we no longer resemble the United States of America.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  56. Che Guava says:

    Your comment is the one thing that truly made me LOL today.

    Thank you.

    Two reasons I did not use the button. I want to hit agree with a later comment and am tired now. Also, LOL with or LOL at?

    nsa, you sure hit the first category there!

  57. Agent76 says:

    May 21, 2020 How Governments Are Hunting the Infected

    05 Apr 2020 Dr. Fauci revealed his fears of a ‘surprise outbreak’ back in 2017 and warned the upcoming Trump administration would face ‘challenges’ with infectious diseases in a Georgetown speech

    In his speech titled ‘Pandemic Preparedness in the Next Administration,’ Dr. Fauci told attendees at Georgetown University in January 2017 that the upcoming presidential administration would face ‘challenges’ with infectious diseases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188429/Dr-Fauci-revealed-fears-surprise-outbreak-three-YEARS-pandemic.html?ito=email_share_article-top

  58. Agent76 says:
    @Phaeton

    This is where all of the fake numbers are coming from in this Plandemic.

    Nov 4, 2019 Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Segment 4, Communications Discussion and Epilogue Video

    Event 201 is a pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. The exercise illustrated the pandemic preparedness efforts needed to diminish the large-scale economic and societal consequences of a severe pandemic.

    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/media

  59. @Digital Samizdat

    I call them the Branch Covidians — ‘We ain’t coming out!’

    I don’t see that’s it’s funny or sane to use as disparagement of cowards a reference to folks who evinced more balls than you ever will.

    • Agree: onebornfree
    • Replies: @Culpepper
  60. Che Guava says:
    @Herald

    I agree, but already used my hourly button.

  61. botazefa says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    * I’ve written about this elsewhere, that, because I promised my wife, I’ve finally worn one of these in stores (part-time), on an airliner, and in busy places. This is solely because she was getting very upset, with a lack of sleep being a factor, with that always ready phone-infotainment around.

    Collectively failing to stand up to our wives for the past 60 years is what got us into this mess. We’ve somehow managed to normalize hysterics.

  62. David says:

    A couple days ago Brattleboro, Vermont made wearing masks in stores mandatory for customers. A lady at the select board meeting said masks need to be normalized, “Because it’s just such a simple visible sign that people are being safe in our community.”

    Vermonters are natural jackbooted hippies and are really getting off on covid-19.

    I wish Judy Chicago were alive to design these masks.

    Brattleboro, population 12,000, had ten fatal opioid overdoses in 2019 and four in April 2020. There have been three deaths in the whole county due to covid-19. Two were from NYC.

    Andrew Sullivan had a post about Pepys in 1665, a year of plague in London. He recounts Pepys living life to the full — working, partying, womanizing — while whole families drop dead around him. Pepys lists off dozens of people in his day to day life dying while he himself does nothing, or very little, to “stay safe.” His morale was never better.

    Sullivan then concludes his piece, “And today, in the richest country on Earth, with medical technology beyond Pepys’s wildest imagination, and a plague killing a tiny fraction of the population, some are wielding weapons in public to protest being asked to stay at home for a few more weeks and keep a social distance. Please. Get a grip.”

    See Pepys didn’t stay home, wear a mask, or keep social distance. And he was fine, while a quarter of London’s population died. So objecting to being forced to do those things is foolish since almost nobody knows anybody who’s died from this “pandemic.”

  63. Miro23 says:
    @Hail

    The other nine studies in the meta-analysis average <0.1% deaths to those who are corona-positive (0.085%; range: 0.02% to 0.17%). Of course, this is Just The Flu territory, but the Corona-True-Believers still think that’s laughable and worthy of derision. But there it is: <0.1%.

    Well, now we know. So what was it all about? Was it a genuine mistake – or was it a bio-weapon that fizzled (but still delivered the anti-Chinese pre-prepared media frenzy).

    Probably the latter. Recent CIA projects are more successful at raising media frenzies than delivering results (for example: full MSM and Western government support for the miserable Venezuelan coup attempt).

  64. nsa says:
    @onebornfree

    Yo, onebornfree,
    Did you cash your free-shit-from-the-guv check like all the rest of us unscrupulous $1200 whores (used to be $20 whores but there has been considerable inflation since that magic year, 1913)?

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  65. aandrews says:

    “…and those complaining about being out of work were people whose work is ‘largely useless.’”

    It’s not the being out of work part that’s actually the problem. It’s the being broke part, which is a consequence of the being out of work part, that sucks.

  66. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    “Blue Pill People”:

    Regards, onebornfree

  67. onebornfree says: • Website
    @nsa

    “Did you cash your free-shit-from-the-guv check like all the rest of us unscrupulous $1200 whores ”

    Sorry to disappoint – I don’t take “free”, “shut up and be a good slave”, fake money from governments. I make my own way [barely] and got off the slave plantation gravy train to hell a long time ago.

    Regards, onebornfree

  68. botazefa says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I think you can ditch the obesity correlation.

    Maybe what you are noticing is that the gen-x children of 70s and 80s single moms are often man hating bitches or self hating faggots. Divorce on demand has consequences, such as an instinct to blame men for everything possible.

    *my use of ‘faggots’ is in the gen-x vernacular to mean a wimpy little sissy

  69. Emslander says:
    @onebornfree

    See, I think your questions are very good, but it’s like asking a 27-year-old fat woman with a BA degree what she’d think if it could be shown that there had been no gas chambers at Dakau. The question is an aggressive challenge to her weak brain cells and is, therefore, a crime.

    What if the moral history of the twentieth century were the exact opposite of what we were all taught? What if unpasteurized milk is better for you? What if the substantive content of modern life adds up to a negative number?

    The problem with conversion is that you have to admit that everything you think you know is incorrect.

  70. Culpepper says:
    @schnellandine

    Perhaps it is the aspect of paranioa that makes it apt

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  71. Hopkins can’t make the connection between belittling the “white-nationalist morons” and this “new normal” he now decries. What did you think was gonna happen in America once white people were kicked to the curb?

    I’m a proud supporter of those white men who put their lives and reputations on the line in Charlottesville to stand up for my people. Our “new normal” happened many years ago, with

    • gay marriage
    • “hate” speech
    • socialized medicine inc. federally-funded abortions
    • central and fractional banking
    • taxation slavery
    • the enforced associations and affirmative action of civil rights

    Our nation was founded on the voting rights of white male landowners. Everything since then is abnormal.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  72. Vojkan says:
    @obwandiyag

    One certainly can’t reproach you inconsistency in disingenuousness. It is pretty much obvious to everyone except you that the fascism the author is seeing rising and the fascism he dismisses as a fantasy are distinct.

  73. botazefa says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    A president who is now promising forced vaccinations via our military and “others”(UN troops?).

    I heard about the Trump floating the idea of the military *assisting* with vaccines.

    But forced vaccinations? What’s your reference.

    DuckDuckGo has no relevant matches on ‘trump forced vaccinations’.

    Are you making it up?

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  74. Whitewolf says:
    @anonymous

    Curious, isn’t it? These Antifa and other supposed loony lefty groups suddenly are all in with government totalitarianism.

    Not curious or surprising in the least. They have always been funded by the same people that control the government.

  75. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yusef

    something fishy is going on in the world of science.

    Scientists are for sale as they are usually on one payroll or another. Interested parties shop around for ones that will say what they want them to say. Sure there’s independent ones and those who report the facts but the waters get muddied and the average person doesn’t know whose word to trust. Ditto with so-called studies which often have a predetermined outcome according to those financing them. Lots of academic corruption and fraud goes on. Don’t take what the folks in white lab coats tell you as gospel but match it up against your own common sense. Just look at the history of the harmful quack nonsense the ‘experts’ of the day have promoted in the past hundred years or so.

    • Agree: Yusef
  76. @Achmed E. Newman

    “”because I promised my wife, I’ve finally worn one of these in stores (part-time), on an airliner, and in busy places. This is solely because she was getting very upset,””

    A Corona Marano.

  77. Yusef says:
    @onebornfree

    “What if we all pass germs and viruses — that we don’t even know we have — on to others all the time, but their immune systems repel what we pass on to them?”

    This one isn’t a “what if” but a known and important fact about our amazing world. We are slathered in bacteria, viruses, and many, many other micro- and macro- organisms. At one time I was even able to see several species of benign lice on my skin and the skin of others, without using a magnifying glass or microscope. If I recall correctly, there are at least seven species of these…Not only are they not harmful, they are helpful. They live on dried, dead skin, among other things.

    That’s the general case, friends. The bacteria and viruses surrounding us are not usually detrimental. We must have them around. They are a part of the general good health of the planet and all living things.

    The viruses are absolutely fascinating. They play a role in the evolution of life on planet earth we are only beginning to fathom. It is a form of madness to think they are all pathogenic. Overwhelmingly they are not.

    The viruses can’t be eradicated the way we eradicated small pox, for example.

    I have my own theory about this mess, which I hold only with remorse. We only know about it because we looked for it. We wouldn’t have observed anything out of the ordinary this year based on the epidemiological distributions and incidences of sicknesses and deaths. There’s nothing wrong with looking around and discovering new things, but this is clearly not a realm readily usable for forming immediate public policy, especially not drastic and unprecedented public policy.

    Everyone who played a part in making this into immediate, drastic and unprecedented public policy needs to be held accountable. We need a very thorough review of the interplay of these multiple factors, and a good house cleaning is in order. I don’t know what I will do if once more I see us refusing to admit our mistakes, but even worse will be refusing to learn from them.

    As always, these two steps are the only way forward. I can’t believe we in the USA are failing in this area. It seemed to me it was here, if anywhere, our form of society had an advantage. (Well, maybe not the politicians, but in business, make a big mistake and in the USA, you’re out. That was not a bad thing. The others in business saw the mistake, avoided it, learned and went on.)

    Regards,

  78. Getaclue says:
    @Anonymous

    The Face Mask “Study” that was released in the New England Journal of Medicine has now been DEBUNKED as a FRAUD and as garbage even by the Scientists who put it out — they’ve admitted this now. However, you probably haven’t heard this because the Mainslime Media has ignored it and is still using it to cause us to be forced to wear these insanely stupid Masks.

    As you say this is whole thing is “too real to ignore” — but the reason it is? Because it is a complete and total pre-planned “Elite” FRAUD on the Peons, to strip them of all rights and impoverish them, being hoisted on a Cold Virus the NWO ChiComs released that is about as bad as a Seasonal Flu. People need to wake up–especially supposedly intelligent people who come to this site and publish articles and comments. Here is the retraction of the phony “Study” used to Face Mask us all (never done as to a Cold Virus– as even Dr. Fauci said on TV–because it does nothing –might even make you sick….): https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomatic-patient-transmitting-coronavirus-wrong

  79. Getaclue says:
    @onebornfree

    The reason for ordering/coercing Face Mask wearing by the Public has now been DEBUNKED as a FRAUD! The actual Scientists have admitted it was total and complete garbage. The Mainslime Media, no surprise, is ignoring this and still using the debunked “study” that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on January 30th– the CDC used it to reverse the ALWAYS applied standard based on Science that wearing in mass Face Masks by the Public does NOTHING as to a Cold Virus. Here is the article as to the what happened: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomatic-patient-transmitting-coronavirus-wrong

    • Replies: @Yusef
  80. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    friendly defiance

    Good phrase. Good thought.

    We know that Corona is a giant with feel of the softest clay you can find, but that’s just on the facts and the science. Corona-Alternative-Facts just don’t care.

    Is the Corona With Feet of Clay defeated by a thousand small acts by nobodies doing friendly defiance?

    Such as, declining to take those extra few steps to avoid someone. Walking in a straight line as a dissident act.

    While on the subject. Please, Corona-Believers, no more of that halting entirely to keep well out of the way, followed by glowering at the other person as he passes; that’s just bizarre. The Corona Halt-and-Stare.

  81. Hail says: • Website
    @Levtraro

    Where I live in Europe there was a serious epidemics that is now getting under control thanks to the strategy of containment

    [Disagree.]

  82. Dumbo says:

    Covid-19 is really Rohrschach-19. It seems that the “panic” went both ways. One one side the extreme hysteric reaction with the “lockdown” of healthy people, the theatrics of the authorities and media with a disease that apparently kills mostly people over 80, but on the other hand also the protesters about “fascist takeover” and “totalitarianism”. Look, it wasn’t that bad, as far as totalitarianism goes. Except perhaps in North Korea, no one was shot. Maybe with Bill Gates’ vaccine things will get worse, but, so far, it wasn’t that bad. I think the “Transdemic”, i.e. pretending that transexuals are “women” and all the craziness about “anti-racism” is much worse.

    Now, for those who had a small business, yes, it was bad, and being locked at home for weeks has not been fun (also, rather pointless). But in Germany, where I believe the author lives, the lockdown has been quite light, and while many places closed there was never a prohibition to be outside. Even masks were only used later on and only in supermarkets, shops, etc. So, while inconvenient, it was not really Nazi Germany II.

    Anyway, it’s a quite strange situation really, and I wonder what will happen next, my impression is that people are becoming more cynical and will not accept a “second wave” lockdown, which makes me think if either there is a great conspiracy, or our elites are really dumb and incompetent. Or maybe it’s both things? Like in the title of that book, a “conspiracy of dunces”. They are evil and Machiavellic but they are also a bit dumb.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Justvisiting
  83. Poco says:
    @Bragadocious

    Hopkins is a leftist. Leftists like big government. He fails to realize that big government always means more authoritarianism.

  84. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    If a second-wave hits

    Knut Wittkowski (writing April 26 and May 5) on the “second wave”:

    With 30% already immune, the next wave, if any, will be minor, at most.

    [Studies] show that there is enough immunity to make sure that a second wave – if any – is mild.

    A “second wave” CAN be created artificially created by the media by hyper focus on a few stories (much like the original wave; it was another foretold-apocalypse-washout as proved by the easy handling of the whole thing in Stay-Open Sweden).

    Media-filtered reality.

    __________

    From a comment I wrote elsewhere on April 5:

    The media cannot keep its Corona Cocaine Binge, and its ongoing CoronaBloodlust, going for months on end. But it may well get a “second wind” at it, when the “second wave” of Corona cases comes in the fall. A CoronaPanic Second Wave.

    I’ll tell you what would be ironic, is if the Nov. 2020 presidential election ends up being a referendum on Corona Shutdowns:

    Yes Corona Shutdowns: BIDEN

    No Corona Shutdowns: TRUMP

    This scenario seems at once so crazy as to be laughable, and yet also plausible to actually happen. Somehow both at the same time. God help us.

    I’m not sure how realistic this exact scenario looks now. Does anyone care about Biden anymore? Would he really position himself as the Pro-Shutdowns guy if the media begins artificially creating a second panic wave?

    • Replies: @Alden
  85. Phaeton says:
    @Blip Blop

    I can’t “agree-button” at you yet but I completely agree with you. I live in Spain and this is complete madness. I see so many kids wearing masks, that I would get depressed if it weren’t because I see other parents avoiding all this stuff, which give me hope. Today I saw a pregnant woman wearing a mask, and I have wondered if this unborn human being is suffering because of her (of course she is probably thinking that she is doing the best for him/her).

    Here in my country masks have been mandatory everywhere in public areas (unless you can keep the famous 2 meters with others) since yesterday, but people have used them for almost two months already.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  86. @Achmed E. Newman

    – I have not seen Capitalism operating without Big-Gov anywhere in the world lately, outside the illegal-Mexican run flea markets).

    I agree with you, and will add the many self operating street vendors throughout Mexico. Capitalism at it’s finest…

    From beautiful Deer Park, Texas with love, J.G.

  87. Dumbo says:
    @Dumbo

    Of course, I say this if this is just an exception, but if this really becomes the “new normal”, then it’s not good. And in fact I think this was just a “laboratory”, in preparation for something worse later on…

  88. Poco says:
    @Levtraro

    Third order funny is that you two can’t tell the difference. He’s essentially mocking hysterical reactions to two seperate hoaxes that reify already existing authoritarianism.

  89. Getaclue says:
    @Levtraro

    Tired of the “Models” and Statistics of all the NWO bought off “Experts” funded by Gates Foundation and Rockefeller — all of them are little more than Prostitutes/Whores.

    I have actually hired “Experts” for decades — who pays them and funds their “grants” etc. directly effects their “opinions”. You can literally get them to “Model” whatever and testify to anything–for $$$ — grant or otherwise– and I am talking about World Class Credentialed “Experts”. This is the REALITY — if you argue otherwise you are either an Agenda driven partisan, ignorant or have never dealt with them.

    As the other person stated above — “Expert” Neal Ferguson has been completely discredited (boffing the Married Leftist “Activist” proved he totally did not believe in the “Social Distancing” garbage either — it appears in NO infectious disease Textbook and no one in the Field has ever taught it) — this TOTAL BS of claiming the lock downs worked in periodicals/magazines run by them? Please peddle it elsewhere! — We in fact know they don’t work — you don’t Quarantine Healthy People — and in some cases, thankfully proving this, the timing showed that the lock downs clearly could not have been the reason for downturns (California etc. — clearly Herd Immunity was already in play…one of the greatest Scientists ever in the past as to Small Pox and other pandemics stated they should not be used, do some research?) — what people like Ferguson do is put themselves in a position so that regardless of what happens they can claim they are right. Funny how that works? His “Models” were garbage–the actual data he used as “garbage in” has now been analyzed and, yes, it was garbage.

    So we have the same networked “Experts” now covering for themselves and Ferguson, and putting out, in their own Magazines/Periodicals they control, what you then cite in your comment — it is all CYA BS — peddle it elsewhere.

    Here is another example of the “Experts” at work. On January 30th the New England Journal of Medicine published a “Study” that claimed, unlike any Cold Virus EVER, this one was different– that there were “asymptomatic spreaders” — the “Study” was then used by the CDC to put out the “wear Face Masks” change of position directive (Dr. Fauci also used it as he had previously said publicly on TV they were useless– which they have always been known to be in the past….). It is still being used to this day to order and coerce the wearing of Face Masks. Problem? It was a total and complete FRAUD.

    Even the Scientists who actually did it have now admitted it was “FLAWED” and total garbage. Unfortunately, the NWO Globalist Media and “Experts” are still using it to justify forcing the Face Mask wearing and resulting fear mongering. They need to arrest Ferguson for what he did and start really penalizing these “Experts” who are nothing but Agenda driven shills. Here is the retraction as to the phony “flawed” Study: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomatic-patient-transmitting-coronavirus-wrong

    • Agree: Alden
  90. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Who does Hopkins think will defend White interests? Here’s a short list of who won’t:

    (((ACLU)))
    (((SPLC)))
    (((fake news)))
    (((local news)))
    Faux news
    Trump
    Gop
    commiecrats
    flubbertarians
    The courts
    The (((courts)))
    police departments
    academia
    (((advertisers)))
    (((social media)))
    celebutards

    Good luck to orcs, mestizos and chingchongs who think they’ll do better.

  91. Yusef says:
    @Getaclue

    I had to think about it a bit, but you’ve got a point. That flawed study did promote face mask wearing in public even though there is not a word in it about face masks or ordering/coercing their wearing.

    (There’s a picture with a Chinese-looking woman who is wearing a face mask at the top of the page.)

    The NEJM is an interesting publication. I believe it serves an important function within the medical community but it is important not to take its reports as authoritative or necessarily even scientific.

    Before the results were debunked the studious would have noticed how very small the sample size was. Am I right to see there were less than ten people in that group, and that one woman– one woman!– was at the heart of the “evidence.” Wow. This was used to support a novel (for the USA) public policy affecting millions and millions of people.

    Also note the irreplaceable genius of our hero and savior Dr. Anthony Fauci as he is quoted at the end of the article. He still believes asymptomatic transmission occurs even after the slender thread of evidence upon which that belief might have been supported has been kicked out from under him. He obviously didn’t need scientific support in the first place– he has an agenda.

    It is lucky I am a nobody in nowhereville and will never be anywhere near these creeps. I don’t think I could restrain myself if I had any opportunity whatsoever to, um, commit a terrible violent crime. (Can I admit this? My posts are moderated and if this offends, please feel free to delete that one part. Please allow me to say the rest.)

  92. 450.org says:

    I can’t believe how many CDC and WHO employees are on here advocating no face mask.

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/491725-who-no-evidence-wearing-a-mask-can-protect

    The World Health Organization (WHO) says healthy people don’t need to wear face masks to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, and masks should only be for those who are sick, their caretakers and health care workers.

    In guidance released by WHO Monday, the United Nations public health agency said “there is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can prevent them from infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.”

    WHO said the use of medical masks among the general public could create a false sense of security and cause people to ignore social distancing measures and hygiene practices. Currently in the U.S., the overwhelming majority of states have issued stay-at-home orders to stop the spread of the virus, and federal guidance advises citizens to stay home and not gather in groups of more than ten through April 30.

    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-do-face-masks-work.html

    This is from late March before the CDC changed its tune.

    The CDC currently states that healthy people do not need to wear face masks unless they are caring for someone who is ill with the new coronavirus.

    So, it appears the WHO and the CDC are indeed fascist as is noted that they are in agreement with the fascists at this venue.

    Also, nothing is more fascist than the government ordering slave wage peasants back into filthy disease-infested slaughterhouses (slaughterhouses are incubators for COVFEFE-19 — they are America’s wet markets) under the aegis of the Defense Protection Act.

    • Replies: @Yusef
  93. @Bragadocious

    Sweden is more “left” than Germany, France or the UK. They didn’t lock down anyone. The UK government is more “right” than any UK government since John Major was PM.

    The notion that the US government, or Trump for that matter, isn’t authoritarian, is absurd. Presidents, by nature of the position, are authoritarian. The same goes for legislative bodies. The only issue is whether you recognize the authority they exert.

  94. @Phaeton

    In other words: they don’t freaking care about our health. Why is that so difficult to understand for people?

    I’m sure that was rhetorical, but I’ll answer it anyway. People (in general) don’t understand because they are stupid. Profoundly and probably irreversibly stupid, compounded exponentially by a media propaganda barrage praising the retards for their great intelligence. When more than half the total US population has an IQ below 100, yet thinks itself brilliant because the talking heads on MSNBC tell them so, the CoronaCaust is the logical outcome really.

    I’d bet my favorite dog that significantly fewer than 50% could adequately explain the germ theory of disease, infectious pathogens, or the human microbiome. They could, however, expound interminably on the glories of Beyonkey’s latest autotuned hit or point out how you are a racist for noticing the facts in evidence that they pretend not to see.

    Given the dysgenic trends in human reproductive rates compounded by modern medicine enabling every retard to survive and reproduce, we should all get ourselves very used to being governed by the irrational terrors of simpletons.

    • Replies: @Phaeton
  95. @Biff

    Probably not what R.C. is referring to, but my definition would be an economy free of the international banking cartel and its big casinos like Wall Street.

    • Agree: Biff
  96. @Culpepper

    Perhaps it is the aspect of paranioa that makes it apt

    You remind me of an absurd TV special years ago that played audio of some wiretapped guys theorizing that ATF was out to get them and their guns. The underlying video was of their guns, stolen, in an ATF warehouse. The lead-in narration discussed how paranoid these crazy gun nuts had been. They now sat in concrete and steel cages, their guns taken, gleeful psyop tool mocking their wiretapped concerns as ‘paranoid’ for being 100% correct regarding a threat which was active at the time they expressed concern that it might be happening.

    In other words, pretty much the same psyop that media ran on you successfully re the Mt. Carmel invasion and massacre, assuming you’re sincere. Associating paranoia with them is beyond ignorant. They had an irrational/delusional fear that they were going to be persecuted worse than they were?

  97. A good column overall, Mr. Hopkins, but what is going on now is not “real fascism”. Real fascists would have taken care of the usurious bankers by now, not given them more money to f*ck us over.

    • Agree: Alden, PetrOldSack
  98. @botazefa

    Collectively failing to stand up to our wives for the past 60 years is what got us into this mess. We’ve somehow managed to normalize hysterics.

    This is indeed the root cause. I have yet to spot a Man in a mask (except for the brilliant trolls wearing pantyliners and klan hoods).

    • Replies: @botazefa
  99. Yusef says:
    @450.org

    “Also, nothing is more fascist than the government ordering slave wage peasants back into filthy disease-infested slaughterhouses (slaughterhouses are incubators for COVFEFE-19 — they are America’s wet markets) under the aegis of the Defense Protection Act.”

    I happen to agree with you here, and am offended if you think I or most people commenting against you would disagree. The gov’t shouldn’t be able to order people to work any more than the gov’t should be able to order people not to work.

    “I can’t believe how many CDC and WHO employees are on here advocating no face mask.”

    You can’t believe– or understand– but that’s because you are not paying close attention. And that’s a shame.

    Do you see the CDC and WHO were advocating no face mask for the reason there was no evidence of their being effective? Do you see the CDC and WHO changed and began advocating face masks when very slim evidence which turned out to be faulty emerged? Do you see the CDC and WHO have not reversed their position now we are again in the situation of there being no evidence of the effectiveness of face masks?

    • Replies: @Alden
  100. Alden says:
    @Hail

    Good news, The Atlantic just laid off 68 employees due to lack of advertising revenue. Noticed my local newspaper is half the size it was in February due to lack of advertising pages.

    • Thanks: PetrOldSack
  101. Alden says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Just because your age, ugliness, obesity, stupidity and a surly 😡 personality means you can’t get laid is no reason to hate women.

    • Replies: @Poco
  102. Alden says:
    @Yusef

    End of February I asked 2 Drs about wearing a mask when flying. One said don’t wear a mask or worry. The other said as long as you’re not in the international terminal near the Chinese airlines sections, don’t wear a mask or worry.

  103. @eD

    There are things that regular people can do to fight the the new abnormal. I still offer my hand to anyone who is willing to take it. I go for my daily walks in a group of two or three without keeping any social distancing and I argue my case with any cop who tells me that I am disobeying the law, reminding him that we are in the same side against the crooks, the cowards, the fools, the freaks and the tyrants who are trying to mould us into obedient slaves. Though in the interest of full disclosure, I should clearly state that I sensed the totalitarianism of the American government around thirty years ago and left the United States on a one way ticket to a third world whose virtue is a government that is weak enough not to overpower its society.

    Resistance should be primarily in your mind. While I would not blame anyone for avoiding a confrontation with American mad dog policemen, having watched with horror how four of those brutes attacked retired ex long time CIA high official Mr. Ray McGovern when he asked the senators in charge of vetting Gina Haspel a legitimate question only to be attacked by these senseless brutes, dragged out the room and pulled down to the floor suffering a dislocated shoulder, I would not allow myself to admonish American citizens for avoiding any attempt at talking reason to these goons in blue uniforms. But I think that you will have won at least a half victory if you simply play the routine without making yourself hostage to the fear mongering and by clearly stating to your company that you are wearing the mask for the sake of putting the gullible at ease.

    Unless the United States moves into a system of decentralisation with more empowerment to the state and local communities, the Fascist clutches of the federal government backed by the technocracy will keep whittling away at the freedoms of the citizens dooming them to a life of slavery.

    • Replies: @Yusef
  104. Phaeton says:
    @Stan d Mute

    As you said, it was retorical. I have to say that I am extremely surprised to see how irrational people can be, though. Because it is not only that they are ignorant about a topic, which is something normal. It is that you can’t argue with them. And I am not talking only about people who watch mainstream media, but also many people from the so-called alternative world.

    Just an example: yesterday a relative was worried because her friends had “attacked” her in a Whatsapp group (because in person most of them are a cowards who wouldn’t say anything) for criticizing the measure of making masks mandatory in all Spanish public places if we can’t have a separation of 2 meters. They were all defending that all people should wear masks in public, doesn’t matter if you are alone in the street (strangely enough, none of them talk about Sweden and Iceland). THIS IS THE LEVEL in the country where I live. These people are attacking people without knowing, as you say, even the most elemental knowledge of mainstream immunology. If they, instead of watching news 24/7, would have read a couple of chapters of any good book about this topic, they would see, at least, some of the lies regarding vaccines (I feel like crying everytime someone confuses “treatment” with “prevention”).

    The last sentence in your comment is quite scary. For some reason I have recalled about one of the stories about what happened to Laozi. I copy this fragment from Wikipedia (yeah, I know…): “The third story in Sima Qian states that Laozi grew weary of the moral decay of life in Chengzhou and noted the kingdom’s decline. He ventured west to live as a hermit in the unsettled frontier at the age of 80.”
    I wonder what he would do if he would see the unbelievably decline of today.

    To be honest, the only thing that give me hope today is seeing young people, around 16-20, completely ignoring the social distancing and masking psyop.

  105. @Amon

    Don’t get too cocky … Gens X,Y,Z are next to mount the chopping block!

  106. Mefobills says:
    @Phaeton

    I pushed the agree button for you.

    Here is a link that is more fair to what fascism is.

    http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-is-fascism.html

    We have a plutocracy which is in bed with corporations, including finance corporations. Our totalitarianism is not fascism.

    Fascism arose to fight finance capital. It was the third way between communism and finance capitalism.

    People keep bandying the word fascism around because it was changed in meaning post ww2 something like conspiracy after JFK was murdered. The meaning was changed to have a negative reaction in our brains.

    Conspiracy is merely people getting together to hatch a plot, or scheme. Fascism was the putting of the polity over capital.

  107. Yusef says:
    @Joe Levantine

    I also saw the Ray McGovern manhandling and arrest and as this sort of thing has happened to me twice, I have a few comments.

    “Stop resisting, stop resisting,” the police say to McGovern as they drag him from the proceedings. On both occasions this is exactly what the three or four police said to me. I was not resisting. (I was not later charged with resisting arrest.) This appears to be standard operating procedure around the country nowadays. What the police want is a pretext for going hands on, placing you in handcuffs and manhandling you to the ground. McGovern was somewhat lucky in that he didn’t get tasered. I did. .. I also had taser probes placed in the skin of my back as I lay helplessly on the ground.

    We hear the police tell McGovern to stop resisting even when he is out in the hall on his stomach with his hands behind his back. “I am not resisting” McGovern clearly and truthfully states. How could he be? He’s not wriggling around. He is entirely under police control at that point. How many police officers are gathered around him– I remember at least six. There were probably more.

    Note to future protesters: this is the way you do it. First you have someone call attention to themselves to draw off all the damned police officers in the vicinity, get them clustered out in the hall and distracted, and then the real protesters inside can go into action. The police are not very bright– they’re thugs nowadays. They are going to be confused about what’s going on and what they need to do. Kind of like a lion tamer using a three-legged stool to prevent the massive lion from being able to use its superior strength to attack, protesters can use this overkill and mis-deployment of police force to their advantage.

    Over and over, we hear the police calling McGovern “Sir.” They are painfully bending his left arm back but all the while calling him “sir.” I guess they figure as long as they use the word “sir” they are being respectful. They may believe this shows they are not violating a citizen’s rights or not upholding the US Constitution they’ve sworn uphold. This is their caliber.

    I do heartily agree you do not want to come into contact with these animals. You’re not going to have fun if you do. You’re not going to be cheered up by the experience. You are, however, going to get a kind of glimpse and education into the way the contemporary USA works. It is probably better to watch this stuff on YouTube though. You don’t get your head accidentally cracked open when the goons throw you to the pavement that way. Just be aware even though you are watching on YouTube, these things are very, very real.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  108. likbez says:

    Hi The Kremlin Stooge,

    Don’t forget ‘Covidiots’. The frontline-worker-lovin’, government-narrative-believin’ social-distance welcomin’ simpletons are endlessly inventive when it comes to coining contemptuous nicknames for those who don’t buy into their embrace of madness. I am happy to be able to say I thought the virus was bogus from the first, and said so to anyone who would listen.

    That’s too simplistic. You should agree that religious nuts who attend the church in large groups despite the risk can and should be called “Covidiots”. Because they are. And the people who are trying to preserve their meager income generally should not.

    Why religious nuts can’t move to outdoors for the same purpose like first Chirstians did, is unclear to me ;-). Not sure about Orthodox Jews, which is pretty closed sect in any case so if they want to infect each other, be my guest.

    The virus causes specific for it virus pneumonia which is no joke. People who recovered still have fibroses in this lungs of different degree. That’s why people who were hospitalized with COVID-19 are ineligible to serve in US army. So for those unlucky who get virus pneumonia that’s a crippling disease. You can’t deny this.

    For around 15-20% of people over 65 infected with COVID-19 it means the death sentence — they will never recover and either die in hospital or soon after. Men over 65 are two third of those so for old men the risk can’t be discounted.

    So the question is what forms and length of quarantine was optimal, not whether it should or should not be enforced. I doubt that you want to argue that night clubs should remain open. Or that wearing masks in closed spaces is redundant (in open spaces they generally are redundant, unless you are standing in line, etc)

    You also need some timeout to collect the vital information about the disease using first cases, enhance the protection of medical personnel, and access the level of actual risk to the population and the economy (the USA generally wasted it and Trump was inapt; so the effect of quarantine is more questionable for this particular country).

    It was not that clear in March that the risk is generally low, although we can’t deny that Fauci and Co were caught without pants (or, for some sinister reason were intended to be caught this way as if they waited until epidemic got to a certain point that masks something else )

    That does not excuse incompetence of Trump administration and very strange behaviors of Fauci, who spent two months and then woke up and suddenly start crying Wolf, Wolf, but the USA is very mysterious country and in no way Canadians can understand it 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon
  109. botazefa says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Thanks!

    And thank you for:

    we should all get ourselves very used to being governed by the irrational terrors of simpletons.

    We should, indeed.

  110. Agent76 says:

    May 21, 2020 Who Controls the Gates Family?

    In this video, I talk about how Starbucks, Beyond Meat, Impossible Foods, Microsoft, and the Gates family are all tied to an elite, shadowy consulting firm.

    • Thanks: Parfois1
  111. Realist says:

    Yada, yada, yada…what’s the solution?

    • Replies: @Saggy
  112. SW says:

    I agree completely. I went to Home Depot today and a big box store and I was the ONLY person in there without a mask even though they’re no longer mandatory in Texas. The first step to literally unmasking this hoax is to take off the masks.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  113. @Kratoklastes

    Quite frankly, the “Karens” are little different in kind than my mother was 60+ years ago. Don’t come between mama bear and her cub. The difference is in style. Women today are as potty-mouthed as men I worked with in a factory in the mid 60s, plus, for more than a generation, manners have, for the most part, disappeared.
    The problem in the classrooms started decades ago when my kids were in elementary school. I used to send back the critiques on their work with spelling and grammar corrections. Size or gender had nothing to do with it. Incompetence comes in all races, genders, and sizes.

    • Replies: @Alden
  114. TRM says:

    Connecticut and North Carolina are missing some weeks in 2020 (5 weeks & 3 weeks respectively). Pennsylvania is also negative but not missing any weeks. Interesting, I’ll have to look into that.

    The entire USA is about 4.5% higher than the 4 year average.

    In some online discussions some were suggesting using “excess deaths” to see what effect the covid-19 disease is having and I thought that would be a reasonable approach as it gets past the deaths “with/from” issue.

    State 2016-19-Av 2020 Diff
    ————————————-
    Entire USA 915946 956410 40464

    California 88731 91453 2722
    Florida 65372 68427 3055
    Georgia 26955 27649 694
    Illinois 35539 38088 2549
    Massachusetts 19074 21800 2726
    Michigan 31957 35598 3640
    New Jersey 24525 32600 8075
    New York State 33187 39267 6079
    New York City 17614 35524 17910
    Pennsylvania 44275 37383 -6892

    All the data is from this CDC page:
    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

    The script and all related files are here if you want to kick the tires:
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fh9x5fngmfbeiiu/AAAH-OtOMqiY_R9qqG6YccCRa?dl=0

    The script generates data for all 50 states plus DC and New York City (CDC treats it separately from New York State).

    I follow the advice of Ken Thompson, “When in doubt use brute force”. The script is nothing fancy and dumps to file a lot as that is how I like to debug.

    I will be doing up a Powershell script for this as well so the Windows folks can run it natively if they don’t have WSL2 or a Linux system around.

  115. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @likbez

    First amendment …. not prohibit free exercise thereof (of religion.) Religion is communal services. Therefore prohibiting communal services and events violates the first amendment. The lockdown also prohibits outside gatherings.

    Many counties cities states and the federal park service locked the parking lots, stopped taking reservations to use the spaces and even arrested or gave fines to people walking to and entering a neighborhood park

    The first amendment lawsuits have been filed electronically. Just wait till the courthouses open and every motion to dismiss is turned down

    The honest, real statistics are in. 2020 covid hoax flu is just the normal seasonal flu we experience every year.

    Those honest real death statistics will destroy any “ prohibition of free exercise of religion was a necessary public health measure” defense.

  116. Alden says:
    @Curmudgeon

    THE MEN OF UNZ hate women who don’t have children.

    THE MEN OF UNZ now hate and blame women who have children for the lockdown, egregious regulations and destruction of the economy.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  117. @Mefobills

    Brilliantly concise summary of where we are and were we must go politically in socio-economics:

    We have a plutocracy which is in bed with corporations, including finance corporations. Our totalitarianism is not fascism.

    Fascism arose to fight finance capital. It was the third way between communism and finance capitalism.

    People keep bandying the word fascism around because it was changed in meaning post ww2 something like conspiracy after JFK was murdered. The meaning was changed to have a negative reaction in our brains.

    Conspiracy is merely people getting together to hatch a plot, or scheme. Fascism was the putting of the polity over capital.

    And as JAKE is ever necessarily emphasizing on this site, we can only get there through recognition of God Incarnate Jesus: Christ or chaos.

  118. geokat62 says:

    They are going to join in with the corporate media that are calling us “extremists,” “conspiracy theorists,” “anti-vaxxers,” and other such epithets.

    Other such epithets like “Total Retard”?

  119. @botazefa

    In a very short time you will not be able to lead any kind of a normal life if you are not vaccinated for Covid19. President Trump will not take the same stance he has taken on abortion issues(my body,my choice). He will side with the vaccine fascist. Here’s what’s coming your way, all you Trump lovers.
    Please read the linked too article to understand what we will all be subjected to.

    https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/covid19-to-usher-in-first-federal-mandatory-mass-vaccinations/

    • Replies: @botazefa
  120. @botazefa

    It was that or divorce (not good for children) , and only for a few weeks. She’s not stupid and means well, but has gotten brainwashed. “Don’t they all (mean well)?” I know … I wasn’t gonna let this Panic-Fest turn into a divorce, and I wasn’t going to let it turn me into a liar. This BS will end soon, and no, just like Ron Unz, she will never admit she was wrong.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  121. Yusef says:

    “Fascism was the putting of the polity over capital.”

    I can think of four important fascist dictatorships existing during the middle 20th century: Spain, Germany, Japan, and Italy.

    For testing Mefobill’s thesis, of which you approve, I choose Spain because the Spanish fascist dictatorship was allowed to persist until the death of Franco in 1975. This longer period, from 1939-1975, provides a better look than 1933 to 1945 for Hitler, or 1925 to 1945 for Mussolini. It also provides: 1) a post WW2 view while the other two obviously end infamously at the end of WW2; 2) elimination of a lot of argumentative noise I presume would be generated when I ask, as I would otherwise, the question of whether WW2 and the long preparation for it in Germany prior to WW2 could ever in a million billion years seen as putting the polity over capital. No one would make the statement “fascism was the putting of the polity over capital” who would ever yield, no matter what, who didn’t think,somehow or other, WW2 was not for “the folks.” So I am not going to try.

    How did the polity of Spain do during Franco’s long reign? Did it prosper? Did Spain modernize at a pace comparable to the other western European countries? Was the polity happy for the most part, being privileged over capital and all?

    –Franco’s regime committed a series of violent human rights abuses against the Spanish people, causing an estimated 200,000 to 400,000 deaths.

    –Franco implemented 190 concentration camps and used forced labor, mainly consisting of his ideological and political opponents.

    –The Spanish State was authoritarian: non-government trade unions and all political opponents across the political spectrum were either suppressed or controlled by all means, including police repression. In other words, Spain was a police state.

    –Most country towns and rural areas were patrolled by pairs of Guardia Civil, a military police for civilians, which functioned as a chief means of social control. In other words, Spain was a police state.

    –Larger cities and capitals were mostly under the heavily armed Policía Armada, commonly called grises due to their grey uniforms. In other words, Spain was a police state.

    –All cultural activities were subject to censorship, and many were forbidden entirely, often in an erratic manner. In other words, Spain was a police state.

    –For more than a decade after Franco’s rise to power, the economy improved little. Franco initially pursued a policy of autarky, cutting off almost all international trade. The policy had devastating economic effects, and the economy stagnated. Up to 200,000 people died of starvation during the early years of Francoism, a period known as Los Años de Hambre (the Years of Hunger).

    –By the early 1950s, per capita gross domestic product (GDP) was barely 40% of the average for West European countries. Then, after a decade of economic stagnation, a tripling of prices, the growth of a black market, and widespread deprivation, gradual improvement began to take place. The regime took its first faltering steps toward abandoning its pretensions of self-sufficiency and towards a transformation of Spain’s economic system. Pre-Civil War industrial production levels were regained in the early 1950s, though agricultural output remained below prewar levels until 1958

    –The improvements of Spain’s economy resulted from what can only be described as a turn to neoliberal economic policies.

    –GDP per capita of Spain was less than western Europe by about half from 1913 to 1948 or so, but the pickup of Spain’s economy starting in the late 50’s to 1975 (after Spain never succeeded in increasing it to parity. In 1970 it was still roughly about half. The GDP per capita of Japan, which had been close to equal to Spain’s until about 1960 then streaked much higher, and was higher than western Europe’s by 1990. Spain did consistently outperform the Soviet Union after some time in the late 1960’s.

    –Spain’s economic progress continued from 1975 to 1990.

    Franco’s falangist ideology was initially explicitly both anti-communist and anti-capitalist, but later on capitalism was declared to be fully compatible, and was embraced. Maybe for this reason you will deny Franco’s falangism was fascist?

    I don’t know. I think a better way of putting the proposition is this way, “Fascism was the putting of the authoritarianism over both polity and capital.” It is a little more to the truth.

    I wish I could put more time into this, but I’m a fool for the amount I’ve already put in. I’ve got to get back to work.

  122. @Dumbo

    It is hard to tell who is crazier–.gov officials who are over-reacting or the “muh liberty” crowd who is also over-reacting.

    Everyone needs to calm the f&^% down–really.

    This too will pass.

  123. Pft says:

    People who are supporting the official versions of this narrative really need to look closer at HCQ to realize something is really wrong.

    So Trump proudly says he takes HCW yet the government is hoarding more than 100 million doses of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) while victims of COVID-19 are dying from lack of early treatment. An  increasing number of physicians and scientists believe it is useful for saving lives. In many places, particularly in nursing homes, victims of COVID-19 are still unable to access HCQ, states the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS).

    https://aapsonline.org/coronavirus-victims-die-while-government-hoards-medication/

    Pharmaceutical companies donated tens of millions of doses of HCQ to federal and state governments. At least 14.4 million doses of HCQ have been distributed to 14 city governments.

    “Medication is not doing anyone any good sitting in a government warehouse,” observes AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D. “This hoarding by government means that most of that medication will probably expire without ever being used.”

    I also find it curious that in France, before their first COVID case, the French Health Ministry made HCQ prescription only in January. Before this the drug was available OTC for decades. After the outbreak France limited the use to those with serious disease despite their own Dr Raoult warning this is too late for it to work.

    Meanwhile the original but out of patent version of the drug is owned by the French company Sanofi and they donated millions of doses of HCQ to other nations who wished to use the drug for their people. Sanofi is working on a Covid vaccine with GSK which will be more profitable when licensed (under patent)

    Reports to date of results in more than 2,300 persons who received HCQ show that more than 90 percent experienced clinical improvement or did not become ill.

    New York refuses to make its enormous stockpile of HCQ available outside a clinical trial. Governor Andrew Cuomo banned the clinical use of HCQ in the entire state of New York on March 6, and the governors of Nevada and Michigan soon followed suit. By March 28 the whole country was under lockdown. Florida, which has done remarkably well in this crisis, has dispersed, and promoted HCQ for its residents.

    HCQ is also being used successfully as a prophylaxis in other countries, including India, to protect medical workers, first responders, household contacts, and other persons at risk of exposure. The COVID-19 mortality rate in India is only one per million in population, compared with more than 200 per million in the U.S.”

    The Virology Journal – the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health – published article on August 22, 2005, under the heading – “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection…We report…that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

    Dr. Fauci has known for 15 years that chloroquine and it’s even milder derivative hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) will not only treat a current case of coronavirus (“therapeutic”) but prevent future cases (“prophylactic”).

    Said Dr. Fauci’s NIH in 2005, “concentrations of 10 μM completely abolished SARS-CoV infection.”

    Dr. Didier Raoult, said way back on February 25 that “it’s game over” for coronavirus. He and a team of researchers reported that the use of HCQ administered with both azithromycin and zinc cured 79 of 80 patients with only “rare and minor” adverse events. These researchers concluded “we confirm the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine associated with azithromycin in the treatment of COVID-19 and its potential effectiveness in the early impairment of contagiousness.”

    The highly-publicized VA study that purported to show HCQ was ineffective showed nothing of the sort since it was conducted on patients Already seriously ill plus HCQ was administered without azithromycin and zinc, which form the cocktail that makes it supremely effective.

    On March 23, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko reported that he had treated around 500 coronavirus patients with HCQ and had seen an astonishing 100% success rate saying “my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another 150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen. Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and diarrhea…..This treatment costs about $20. That’s very important because you can scale that nationally. If every treatment costs $20,000, that’s not so good.”

    Clinical trials for Gileads expensive antiviral were fast tracked by Fauci. No morality benefit but patients recovered a couple of days earlier (pretty sure the drug costs thousands) and Fauci leads the cheers. Meanwhile the HCQ clinical trial did not start until April and no results provided, not even interim results like we got for the Moderna vaccine trial (totally devoid of data but given a thumbs up by Fauci)

    • Thanks: Saggy, Alden, Stan d Mute
  124. Poco says:
    @Alden

    I thought he showed more contempt for their “men.” Which they deserve too. Men who cave in to every kind of dipshit cuckery the last 50 years. You’ve written about it.

    • Replies: @Alden
  125. Parfois1 says:
    @Yusef

    Franco’s falangist ideology was initially explicitly both anti-communist and anti-capitalist, but later on capitalism was declared to be fully compatible, and was embraced.

    In another comment elsewhere about this topic, I mentioned the fact that fascism, as espoused by the Italian and German variants, was so short-lived that nothing definitive could be said about its devolving into a final form, that is, whether over time it would favour labour or capital. I postulated that it would follow the generally tendency for the capitalist take-over of the State under a totalitarian shape and the US is the proof.

    Now you mentioned Spain, where fascism had a longer time-span, and that experience appears to validate my prediction. I would also add Portugal where corporatism was established in 1926 and lasted until 1974, the longest-lasting formal fascist state ; there too, the State favoured the “100 families” who literally owned the national economy and the last colonial empire.

    Fascism put on the populist garb (and even the “socialist” icon) but it was all along a capitalist construct; they needed to conscript the grunt of labour and the legitimacy of the State.

    • Thanks: Yusef
  126. Mike Tre says:

    I like the serious CJH much better. Thanks for this article.

  127. Mefobills says:
    @Yusef

    I don’t know. I think a better way of putting the proposition is this way, “Fascism was the putting of the authoritarianism over both polity and capital.” It is a little more to the truth.

    Hierarchy implies authority, and hierarchy is everywhere. It is everywhere, even down to the cellular level. If authority is a problem for people, then too bad. Suck it up. No complex system can exist without hierarchy and hence authority. . Authority is a matter of degree, but is always present.

    Fascism is a term that has been stretched beyond its meaning, and people are triggered. The first stage of trauma is always denial. In italics below an excerpt from link.


    FINAL POINT: Many liberals and leftists incorrectly accuse the United States of being, “a Fascist nation since the government is ‘in bed with’ (i.e., in collusion with) American business and industry.” Yes… there presently is a very close relationship (collusion) between large American corporations and Washington D.C. politicians. However such collusion is ONLY for the benefit/profit of American corporations at the expense of the average American worker; this is called Crony Capitalism. Under Fascism, there is also a close relationship between government and business/industry but for the single purpose of primarily benefiting the average citizen and worker. This distinction is huge and therefore cannot be emphasized enough.

    If you could go back in time to Mussolini’s Italy, or NSDAP Germany, and ask the average citizen their opinion, you would be surprised by the answers. How do they like it? German’s fought to the very end because they hated national socialism…..?!

    With regards to Franco, that was a dictatorship. Even Wikipedia restrains itself from calling it fascist, but instead fascistized.

    The Francoist dictatorship originally took a form described as “fascistized dictatorship”,[2] or “semi-fascist regime”,[3] showing clear influence of fascism in fields such as labor relations, the autarkic economic policy, aesthetics, or the single-party system.[4][5] As time went on, the regime opened up and became closer to developmental dictatorships, although it always preserved residual fascist trappings.[6][3]

    China meets the definition of a fascist state, and their economy has been growing by leaps and bounds.

    It would probably be fair to say that most people don’t want a flawed hierarchy, where top leadership leads the country off a cliff. They don’t want some crazed dictator for life who abuses his authority.

    A constitutional kingdom, where the king can be removed if he goes off the rails is preferable. Hungary’s constitutional kingdom lasted almost 1000 years, and did not fail due to internal contradictions.

    Capital cannot be allowed to rise above the polity. As others here have noted, real fascism would be preferable to Crony Capitalism (finance capitalism).

    • Replies: @Awash
    , @Parfois1
    , @Yusef
  128. Saggy says: • Website
    @Realist

    Yada, yada, yada…what’s the solution?

    Ignore the coronavirus hoax.

    Resist the government measures to ‘control’ the hoax.

    Re-elect Donald Trump, who shares our vision.

    Welcome to the new Unz, just like the old StormFront, we’re winning !

    • Replies: @Realist
  129. Read this for the other side of the story:

    Coronavirus epidemiologist Q&A: ‘We’re just in the second inning of a nine-inning game’

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/05/12/coronavirus-epidemiologist-were-just-second-inning-qa-opinion/3114615001/

    • Replies: @Alden
  130. Patricus says:
    @obwandiyag

    Obwondiyag: would you kindly stop calling people names? It discredits you. If you have something to say plain polite English please.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @schnellandine
  131. @SteveK9

    Re: “New York, with a population of over 19 million, has had over 250,000 cases and more than 28,000 deaths from the coronavirus.”

    Sorry, but that assertion, and all others like it, cannot be allowed to pass uncontested. The NY and NYC numbers are demonstrably bogus:

    “The chance that State of New York’s figures represent the Covid-19 virus are 1 in 500 million.
    The odds of New York City’s figures representing the virus are 1 in 32 million billion billion…”

    See here for why:

  132. Hopkins has jumped the shark here. He’s right that governments and big data are using the COVID-19 outbreak to further limit civil liberties and privacy rights and increase their control over society. It’s also true that police and “security” goons are taking delight in harassing and boot stomping non-violent people just because they can (not exactly a new phenomenon).

    Instead of criticizing how the quarantine is being implemented and the many indirect ways liberties are being curtailed, he has become fixated on the mistaken idea that the quarantine orders themselves are a scam cooked up by evil authoritarians to keep people in their place for no good reason.

    The argument given by people with this mind set inevitably boils down to “only a [very low percentage] of old and unhealthy people actually get sick and die of COVID-19 so a quarantine is obviously authoritarian overreach.”

    What’s missing here is an acknowledgment of the fact that in places where the virus is left to run rampant it kills many thousands of people who would not have died had the outbreak not happened.

    The oft repeated claim that “only” a “small percentage” of “old and already sick” people die misses the obvious fact that a “small percentage” of a big number is still a very big number. Using that logic, getting upset over the 50,000 servicemen killed in the Vietnam War is stupid because they “only” amount to a tiny percentage of the total US population. They are soldiers and in wartime soldiers get killed and that’s normal.

    What Hopkins is saying is that his personal right to go around infecting people with the novel coronavirus (many infectious people remain asymptomatic) ought to take precedence over the right of his fellow citizens to remain virus-free and live out their lives without an incurable disease compromising their health and reducing their life span.

    Only in a dying society that worships pathological individualism and balks in horror at the idea of collective responsibility (or that rights need to be balanced with responsibilities) could give birth to such twisted rationales for letting a fatal disease run rampant.

    What’s surprising is that Hopkins, who has often decried the globalist neoliberal oligarchy, fell for these specious arguments. That puts him on the same page as Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. Meanwhile, as Hopkins and his fellow travelers go into hysterics over their right to infect people, the government and compliant oligarchs continue to dismantle the very liberties and freedoms he claims to cherish and champion.

    • Agree: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Yusef
  133. @Patricus

    Obwondiyag: would you kindly stop calling people names? It discredits you. If you have something to say plain polite English please.

    And all are supposed to not notice that you just called obwandiyag a discredited, impolite caller of names, and user of unplain English.

    Sure, it was passive-aggressive, which makes it… worse?

    One of the most revered writers in American literature was HL Mencken, an habitual caller of names. Nothing intrinsically wrong with it, as it appears you agree in your Sunday-clothed way.

  134. Awash says:
    @Mefobills

    Why go for fascism when you can get the relationship between state, capital and labour that you associate with fascism in a social democracy. That is state and capital caring for workers under conditions of democracy.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Mefobills
  135. Parfois1 says:
    @Mefobills

    Capital cannot be allowed to rise above the polity. As others here have noted, real fascism would be preferable to Crony Capitalism (finance capitalism).

    Mefobills you are splitting hairs. Crony capitalism is just another name for fascism. Fascism is not just the government being in bed with capital; the government is owned by capital. In the US “crony capitalism” the government is owned by capital. That’s what capital does: it buys and owns stuff, including persons and governments. It’s the same thing. Political theory is not your forte.

    Even in the model Athenian democracy, the rich citizens were the rulers, the government. The same in the Roman patrician republic and empire.

    By the way, China is not a fascist state. The government is powerful enough (call it what you like: authoritarian, dictatorial, totalitarian, bolshevik, etc.) and does not depend on capital as the foundation of its authority. Many a capitalist head has rolled for not sticking to the rules. Private enterprise is allowed to flourish according to the communist government’s policies to speed up economic development as Lenin did with the New Economic Policy and, in due course, NEP was finished. Allowing regulated private enterprise does not change the spots of the government; the same way capitalism allows for public enterprises.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  136. @Alden

    THE MEN OF UNZ now hate and blame women who have children for the lockdown, egregious regulations and destruction of the economy.

    Not so! I’d venture that I can speak for at least a few others in saying that we adore women. What we hate and blame for CoronaCaust (and so many other societal failures) is emasculated effeminate “men” who permit themselves to be governed by women.

  137. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    ‘Fascism arose to fight finance capital. It was the third way between communism and finance capitalism. ‘

    Absolutely. An early intimation of how this noble and beneficial ‘third way’ would be so successfully marginalised and cast into the uttermost pits of hell is provided in Orwell’s famous dystopian satire Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, ‘the proles’ comprised around 85% of the population of ‘Airstrip One’ (as England had been re-named). Most of the remaining 15% were the minor functionaries and officials that formed the ‘OuterParty’. Only a tiny minority were members of the ‘Inner Party’, which of course formulated all policy. This was implemented via the four ministries of state, namely ‘The Ministry of Truth’ (whose task it was to disseminate propaganda and lies); ‘The Ministry of Love’ (essentially the legal apparatus, who relentlessly tracked down and brutally tortured all dissenters); ‘The Ministry of Peace’ (which administered the fundamental policy of permanent war) and ‘The Ministry of Plenty’ (which ensured the population was kept on its toes by perpetuating shortages of food and essential needs).

    Essentially, ‘the proles’ believed what they were told, while the Outer Party membership did as they were told. What is striking, however, is that all proles and Outer Party members were forced to carry out what was known as the daily ‘two minutes hate’. This was aimed at the Number One Enemy, a Jew called Emmanuel Goldstein. Leaving aside the irony inherent in Orwell’s reversal of Jewish roles in choosing his ‘hate figure’, the point was that Goldstein was the only figure (a former and recusant member of the Inner Party) who advocated for the people, and wished to give them basic rights. In other words, the people had been trained to despise their own route to salvation.

    This is exactly how things are today, except that both the structure and the target figure of the ‘two minutes hate’ are different. The former is largely informal (but no less effective for that), based as it is on an unending litany of stories in the media about the alleged horrors perpetrated by ‘Fascists’, while the latter is, to put it simply, the hate-figure whom we have all been conditioned to despise, namely Adolf Hitler.

    That any and all mention of Hitler, National Socialism and Fascism are now guaranteed to produce a Pavlovian hate-response, not merely throughout the ranks of ‘the proles’ but also within the modern equivalent of the ‘Outer Party’, is abundantly clear. The irony escapes the vast majority of ordinary people: Fascism and Hitler’s National Socialism were actually their salvation; the only route out of the Neo-Liberal Finance Capital nightmare.

    As such, it need hardly be said, they had to be done away with. The power of finance capitalism rightly saw NS and Fascism as existential threats to their scam of world domination. That they were so brutally and cruelly extirpated is a matter of historical record. The reasons behind this foul and criminal deed, however, remain almost unknown. ‘The people’ – not only those of the ‘victorious allies’, but more especially still those of the wretched, vanquished German race – have been bribed, bludgeoned and brainwashed into acquiescense in regarding ‘the third way’ with hate.

    This is why Hitler and Fascism are still today relentlessly anathematised by the toxic confabulation of the willing tools of the Neo-Liberal hegemonic order. Curtis Yarvin* called this matrix of power ‘the Cathedral’, and identified its component parts as the Media-Entertainment complex, the Military Industrial complex, ‘Big Pharma’, the Education establishment, the apparatus of the law (the courts and the police) and the leading national and international NGOs.

    Crucially, Yarvin pointed out that, as he put it, ‘politicians live downstream of The Cathedral’. In other words, they are nothing more than bought-and-paid-for lackeys who do as they are damn well told, just like all the rest of the ‘Outer Party’. One of my favourite Yarvinisms is: ‘All decent, right thinking men are appalled at the idea that the Government might control the press. None of them seem at all concerned that the press might control the Government’.

    *Yarvin writes under the nom de plume ‘Mencius Moldbug. He is Jewish, so of course ‘The Cathedral’ is somewhat mischievous. ‘The Synagogue’ would serve far better…

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
    • Thanks: Biff, TheTrumanShow, Mefobills
    • Replies: @Lurker
  138. Jiminy says:

    Hopefully after all of this is over, we will have our new holocaust. Out with the old and in with the new. A 21st century holocaust where scores of thousands of people around the world will be remembered, and mourned for the next two or three generations. Where monuments can be built and repatriations can be made on a continuous, all encompassing recovery program. Knowing that there is only room for one holocaust, I’m certain that the claimants of last centuries holocaust would not mind standing aside for the next generation of sufferers. Long may we remember the Nuevo Holocaust.

  139. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yusef

    Spain was not fascist but a traditional authoritarian regime. It had no actual fascist ideology. Check the writings of Stanley Payne. According to the Comintern in 1933 fascism was the open terrorist dictatorship of the extreme part of finance capital.

  140. @anonymous

    Feel free to use it. I got it off the internet myself, so I hold no copyright on it.

  141. Achtung Trumptards:
    More than 500 doctors sign letter to Trump pushing him to end shutdown because it’s causing a ‘mass casualty incident’ amid soaring rates of alcoholism, drug abuse and suicide.
    If Trump fails to listen to these doctors you know he is just another controlled puppet and fraud. He will either stand for America and do what is right, or he will continue to listen to the likes of Fauci and Gates. His actions, not his words, are all that matter.
    http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2020/05/more-than-500-doctors-sign-letter-to.html

  142. @Yusef

    “ I do heartily agree you do not want to come into contact with these animals. You’re not going to have fun if you do. You’re not going to be cheered up by the experience. You are, however, going to get a kind of glimpse and education into the way the contemporary USA works“.

    I pretty much agree with you especially that you lived the experience. The system in Amerika is devoid of human dignity. Once a society falls into debt slavery, citizens within such a society lose their capacity to fight back as they are pretty much wasting the greater part of their energy trying to make ends meet. Somebody said that you have to be asleep to believe in the American dream. The COVID19 hoax should be a rude awakening to people to take a stand for their constitutional rights and their freedom. Unfortunately if history is any guide, the sequence of events from the assassination of JFK to the false flags that embroiled Americans with unnecessary wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan to the biggest false flag of the 21st century, the Covid19 lockdown, bringing the culprits to justice is proving to be a mirage.

  143. Realist says:
    @Saggy

    Re-elect Donald Trump, who shares our vision.

    Trump is a Deep State minion and only has the interest of the Wealthy and powerful…in his vision.

  144. Wielgus says:
    @obwandiyag

    I recall last year he published a piece here ridiculing any idea of any far right resurgence, while in Germany where he lives a politician considered favourable to refugees and migrants had recently been murdered at the time he wrote the article.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Lübcke

  145. @Sick of Orcs

    Agreed.
    Hopkins is a pathetic Marxist who is incapable of acknowledging his cognitive dissonance. He berates the loss of civil liberties yet supports an ideology that destroys them.
    Europeans gave the world massive benefits that came from pre-industrial agriculture, industrial goods and high tech. LIstening to Jewish whining about ‘white supremacy’ just illustrates that he has no capacity for free thought. He probably still believes in the HoloHoax. If anything, ConJob19 has informed all of us just how difficult it is to incinerate a human corpse and how much energy and effort it takes. China was failing to incinerate 500 a night effectively.
    I’m sure Hopkins is unable to look himself in the eye and admit how hard a time he would have making a living if he dared to ‘name the Jew’.
    A coward and a ‘useful idiot’.
    Not impressed.

    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
  146. Introduction to Epidemiology
    Summer Term Examination
    Question 1 (Total time allowed 2 hours)

    A novel virus arrives in the UK. It is highly contagious and the population has no pre-existing immunity to infection. Consequently, if left unchecked, the incidence of infection is likely to grow exponentially. Although the majority of those infected experience mild to moderate symptoms and recover without the need for specialist treatment, about 1 person in 200 will die from the illness. Adults appear to be at most risk.

    (a) Calculate the likely total mortality assuming no action is taken to prevent infection. Assume an at risk adult population of 52,000,000 and a provisional mortality rate of 0.5% (10 marks)

    (b) Calculate the likely timescale over which these deaths will occur. Assume a baseline of 50 cases, that the number of infections doubles every three days, and that in vulnerable patients death occurs between 10 and 30 days after infection. (10 marks)

    (c) Discuss the likely impact of this scenario on health and social care systems. (20 marks)

    (d) Discuss the likely impact on population behaviour and any consequent economic effects. (20 marks)

    (e) Identify a suitable public health response designed to minimise adverse outcomes arising from the spread of the novel pathogen (40 marks)

    Specimen Answers

    (a) Total projected deaths 260,000.

    (b) A population of 52,000,000 would become infected after 20 iterations or 60 days. Deaths would probably reach the projected total by day 90.

    (c) Health and social care systems would collapse. The consequent disruption would affect all elements of these services, not just the treatment of coronavirus patients. Mortality from all causes would likely rise very significantly.

    (d) The population would implement rigorous self-isolation measures voluntarily, although in a largely unplanned and unstructured manner. Many businesses would rapidly lose their workforces as workers chose to self-isolate rather than risk the consequences of bringing the infection into their households and extended families.

    (e) Tricky. Good job it is just a theoretical exercise.

  147. botazefa says:
    @SW

    I’m in Texas, too. Austin. The mayor here has claimed masking is mandatory, recalcitrantly against the Governor’s statement that masking is not required.

    I was refused a hair cut a few days back at a Great Clips. I told them I couldn’t wear a mask, but they didn’t care. I told them I’ve been a customer of that particular Great Clips for 20 years. They didn’t care. Why should they? None pf them work there longer than 6 months.

    Masking on city busses is mandatory here, against the governor’s order. Austin police won’t arrest non-maskers but the CapMetro police undoubtedly will.

    HEB, Target, Home Depot, Lowe’s, and a couple restaurants don’t seem to care I’m not wearing a mask.

    My wife is furious at me for refusing to wear a mask, which calls ‘anti-social’ and ‘misanthropic’.

    TBH, lately I’m longing for the sweet release of death from this Idiocracy. But – I have people who depend on me.

    • Replies: @SW
  148. botazefa says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    JW I can see the writing on the wall about vaccines. Businesses will start requiring a clean health record for employment, which is obviously illegal and horrifying,

    The thing is – you claimed that Trump said something about using the US armed forces to force vaccinations on US citizens. I don’t believe he said any such thing.

    I skimmed your link. It cane across as an anti-vaxxer site to me. I didn’t see anything about forced vaccinations or Donald Trump.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  149. botazefa says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Aced – thanks for responding. I needed it!

    I am going through exactly the same thing with my wife and oldest daughter. Maybe we can get a little support for each other here on Unz.

    I’m close to cracking. I’ll end up wearing a mask, like the sissy little henpecked faggot my single man-hating mother created me to be.

    Hang in there, man.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  150. Dang it, CJ, I love your funny posts! But I understand why this fascism makes you cranky! Hopefully the fun begins for you soon! Can’t wait for your next funny post!

  151. Yusef says:
    @Squarebeard

    “The oft repeated claim that “only” a “small percentage” of “old and already sick” people die misses the obvious fact that a “small percentage” of a big number is still a very big number. Using that logic, getting upset over the 50,000 servicemen killed in the Vietnam War is stupid because they “only” amount to a tiny percentage of the total US population. They are soldiers and in wartime soldiers get killed and that’s normal.”

    I agree with the point about “a small percentage of a big number is still a very big number.” You’re right, that’s obviously true.

    Where I potentially disagree is in how we applied this obvious truth to the medical situation we faced. Please explain why we didn’t quarantine the vulnerable (in other words, restrict the movement of the large in magnitude number of old and already sick, and restrict access and admission into the areas we used to confine them as comfortably and humanely as possible.) Not only did we not do that, if you look at how we did treat this vulnerable population, it was almost as if we wanted that “small percentage” of them dying of Covid-19 to become larger. (I don’t feel like getting into a description of these counter-productive measures at this moment of time, though I know you deserve this. Hopefully you’ve heard about these already so my repetition would be unnecessary.)

    What we did is lock everyone down– the entire population nearly, closed schools,– I can’t go on. Here I am sure you any way do not require my recapitulation.

    You know it is obviously true a large percentage of a large number is a larger number in magnitude than a small percentage of a large number, and much much larger than a small percentage of a small percentage — which is what we’re talking about if it was the small percentage of the total population who were actually most vulnerable to the disease and actually in danger of dying from it. (A most important fact which is also emerged is that most infected people were asymptomatic. I admit to getting foggy at this moment, but I recall the number 86% bandied about.)

    I don’t know if there is an apt comparison between decrying the deaths of healthy young men, average age of 19, their whole lives ahead of them, in jungles 8,000 miles away, with elderly men and women, already sick and incapacitated, dying as inevitably they must. As inevitably we all must, and if we make it to old age, we might consider ourselves fortunate. (Who knows, some of these elderly are likely survivors of Vietnam who do consider themselves lucky to have grown old.) Not that this is directly to your point. There is, though, something deeply wrong with public policy which doesn’t consider wider effects and longer term consequences…Do you actually advocate such public policy? You know there are a number of side effects in store for us from this course we’ve had rammed down our throats, and there are going to be small percentages of the population ruined by what we’ve done, but by your own logic that’s going to be a large number ruined. Do we not care? Do we not consider?

    It is also not to your point, but not only did I hate 50,000 young Americans dying for no good reason, I also hated approximately 4,000,000 SE Asians dying for no good reason. And that was not a small percentage of SE Asians. Again, I am a bit foggy here, but I recall the population of Vietnam was 16 million at the time. I also am not to happy about bombing that beautiful country right down to bedrock, the potent mutagens and teratogens we dumped on her. I don’t think the US economy ever recovered from that. It sure as heck wasn’t saved by Reagan’s policies.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  152. @Phaeton

    Why is that so difficult to understand for people?

    One reason is that the media always presents the Beer flu death numbers out of context.

    The media never compare Beer flu deaths to alcohol related deaths, cancer deaths, HK flu deaths, or Asian flu deaths because they know their narrative would collapse.

    They do this because they know that most people are dumb enough to take the media narrative at face value.

  153. Skeptikal says:
    @Phaeton

    No, TPTB do not care about our health.
    That has been amply demonstrated and IMO is proven.

    If citizens’ health were the true goal, health care would not be a profit center in the USA.
    Hospitals, clinics, public health agencies and workers, etc. etc. etc. would not have been defunded in the USA, the UK, France, and Italy, for starters. I believe also in Germany. Nurses and public health personnel would be high-paid workers and citizens of both sexes would compete for these desirable, well-paid, high-status positions. They would not fobbed off on immigrants of various sorts.

    The “Stay Safe” and “We Are All in This Together” types of slogans—even the “thanks to essential workers” signs—are all props, insincere, ghastly.

    What sensible person able to calculate 2+2 is taken in by them?

    • Agree: Cortes
  154. Yusef says:
    @Mefobills

    “Hierarchy implies authority, and hierarchy is everywhere. It is everywhere, even down to the cellular level. If authority is a problem for people, then too bad. Suck it up. No complex system can exist without hierarchy and hence authority. . Authority is a matter of degree, but is always present.”

    I think the gambit of America was to establish an authority of reason. I would obey the authority of reason but any other authority would meet with my resistance, especially any authority refusing to be questioned.

    One of the things about this current mess is the way doctors were taken as authoritative. Not the reasons of doctors and what they had to contribute to the formulation of public policy, but doctors as mini-know-it-alls who could dictate to all of us what was best for us, best for us in all ways and walks of life. In other words, doctor-dictators. Yes, I do see this as the establishment of medical martial law and I have yet to see much of reason, science or hard thinking dictating the course of events in it.

    You have a different way of looking at things which I take seriously and respect.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Mefobills
  155. C.J. long time reader first time commenter… Best satire out there! However other commenters have noted some cognitive dissonance regarding your leftist tendencies, and somewhat libertarian views on the lockdowns. Care to elaborate?

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  156. @Skeptikal

    were the true goal, health care would not be a profit center in the USA

    Everything in human endeavor is a profit center. Even masochists don’t act against individual interest. Baffles why anyone would want to shift further away from a clean accounting, into the world of pull.

    I know that if a group of serial murderers formed a “non-profit”, most gullible simps would embrace the facade. You know it too, because a fine example is the US military.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  157. @botazefa

    Thank you. I am glad to have heard back from you. I meant to write that I did not disagree with your basic original point, Botazefa.

    It’s a matter of integrity. I just didn’t want to start lying about this, though she’d have never found out. That would have made everything easier between us, but I’m just not agonna do it, as the man said.

    As for support, I feel a lot better about it just crumpling up the mask and putting it in my pocket, using the same two for a week (blue to match my jeans, and yellow for dressing up days – I kid!) The yellow one was nasty with gear oil and hydraulic fluid. If that doesn’t kill me, it’ll only make me stronger.

    Haha, on the last part!

  158. gsjackson says:
    @botazefa

    Trump said he would use the military to administer the vaccine quickly once available. That’s scary enough, but within a day or two of that statement he did say that the vaccines wouldn’t be mandatory.

    One of his apologists took what Trump said to mean the military would be developing a vaccine, and that this was more 5D chess — creating a competing developer to Gatesworld, one that would be honest with the public about the problems with a vaccine and focus public attention on the dishonesty of the Gates effort. Sounds great, but I’m trying not to smoke the hopium.

  159. Emslander says:
    @Yusef

    I would obey the authority of reason but any other authority would meet with my resistance, especially any authority refusing to be questioned.

    The problem is that no one asserts reason as their authority any more. Reason, as initiated by the Greeks, had a healthy restraint derived from humility. Socrates sent a representative to the Oracle to ask who, in all the world, was the wisest. The answer came back that Socrates was the wisest because he knew “that he knew nothing”.

    Our current authority is “science”, which isn’t science at all, because its adherents won’t admit that they’ve been wrong about anything, when they’ve been flying blind. Facemasks were bad until they were declared by decree to be essential. Dry surfaces were certain to be transmitters of the virus until, last week, they were declared to be no transmitters at all. We’re going to learn that the “science” behind all this was just wild guessing by government doctors, who aren’t doctors at all.

    • Agree: Yusef
    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  160. gsjackson says:
    @VinnyVette

    I’ve never read anything by CJ suggesting he is a Marxist, as he is said to be earlier in this thread, or any sort of fellow traveler who thinks civil liberties are merely sops thrown to the proles to pacify them and make them think they have some sort of autonomy. He’s just a lefty of days gone by who has seen the tectonic plates of western politics shift to reveal the new schism — all of us against the elites who want to control us. Like conservatives who have kept a clear eye on what’s going on, he’s now a populist. In this particular political moment the old left-right dichotomy is mostly irrelevant.

    When CJ likely decided he was a “liberal” that designation didn’t signify opposition to civil liberties, more the contrary. That was the traditional meaning of the word — someone who put a high value on individual liberty when addressing the age-old question of liberty versus order.

    Now, when it comes to identifying the oppressive elites, like all prudent (or cowardly, if you like) commentators CJ employs euphemisms such as finance capital and globalists. Most of us need to refrain from plumbing the relevant demographics too deeply, or think we do.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  161. Mefobills says:
    @Parfois1

    China has a mixed economy, with a large measure of state control over enterprise, especially state 0wned enterprises.

    China has a government that is communist, and is not voted into power. The communist government governs by consent, and consent is informed by polling.

    China meets the definition of a fascist state. Capitalist heads roll in a fascist state.

    Regulating private enterprise is done in all mixed economies. The key and defining feature of fascism, is:

    Under Fascism, there is also a close relationship between government and business/industry but for the single purpose of primarily benefiting the average citizen and worker. This distinction is huge and therefore cannot be emphasized enough.

    Crony capitalism is opposed to fascism, not splitting hairs in any way. The distinction is huge.

    Crony capital or finance capital started world wars to kill fascism in the crib. Finance capital is making an enemy of China today for the same reasons.

  162. Mefobills says:
    @Yusef

    I think the gambit of America was to establish an authority of reason. I would obey the authority of reason but any other authority would meet with my resistance, especially any authority refusing to be questioned.

    America was born with two competing philosophies. The American System of Cotton Mather, Thomas Payne, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Matthew Carey, Henry Carey, Lincoln and to a lesser degree FDR and JFK.

    The other philosophy is one of lord and serf, where the serfs are to be milked to fund their lord masters. Lord and Serf is malthusian in thought, which in turn is talmudic/jewish among others, including hermeticism. It is an impulse of man to want to be a lord. The economist Thorstein Vleben took note of this characteristic of “flawed” men.

    The authority of reason is only one strain of the American dichotomy. I stand with you on the “reason” side of history. It is your natural god-given right to reason, and only there are you truly free.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  163. Mefobills says:
    @Awash

    Why go for fascism when you can get the relationship between state, capital and labour that you associate with fascism in a social democracy. That is state and capital caring for workers under conditions of democracy.

    Good question. There would have to be safeguards in the law to prevent “money power” and determined in-groups from trying to take over for their own self aggrandizement. Otherwise, I don’t know.

    Any honest review of today’s reality will show that there are determined in-groups vying for control, and they do not have the public’s best interest at heart.

    I’m not shilling for fascism, but I would prefer that people stop stretching the term beyond its meaning. Fascism did arise in the 1920’s in response to the same forces that are out of control today. History is rhyming, and people should examine fascism without induced hysteria.

    Finance Capitalism/Crony Capitalism/Turbo Capitalism/Corporatism are all part of the same thing, and are being misidentified with fascism; when this happens it occludes thought.

    Maybe looking to the past is no longer appropriate given the future we are all hurtling toward, including the likely emergence of some sort of AI? An AI would want precise definitions.

  164. Skeptikal says:
    @schnellandine

    “Everything in human endeavor is a profit center.”

    No. Nyet. Nein. Non.
    Du spinnst.

    • Agree: Miro23
  165. Mefobills says:
    @Awash

    https://truthtopowernews.com/pre-hitler-germany-america-today-what-was-weimar-republic-and-why-it-hidden-americans-n3425

    More on the parallels between now and then.

    IN AMERICA, the public is given zero information on the “Weimar Republic,” the period in Germany post-WWI that led to the rise of the National Socialists in 1933.

    This is deliberate. The period holds too many secrets to the modern world.

    • Agree: Miro23
  166. @Skeptikal

    Nurses and public health personnel would be high-paid workers

    Uh, nurses make quite a good living in the US. It is not unusual for them to hit a six-figure salary in certain metro areas.

    Nurse Practitioners (LPNs), Nurse Managers, and Physicians Assistants are nearly guaranteed to see six-figures after 5 years.

  167. @Mefobills

    America was born with two competing philosophies.

    I have my own, slightly different spin on this.

    In my take, the first philosophy is America good and true, the home of George Washington and Honest Abe.

    The second philosophy is that of the snake oil salesman and carny huckster, like P. T. Barnum.

    At this late date, the hucksters are firmly in control.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  168. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Honest Abe

    That inflated ass was a tyrant and traitor of the first order. The cult still built on his crimes is solid evidence that ‘mericuhns were not late to the brainwashing party. His destruction echoes daily, 150 years later.

    If looking for a binary test upon which to base the future split of the former US, could do worse than placing Lincoln idolators hither, all others thither.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  169. @Emslander

    One slight quibble re “guesses:” flat-out, calculated lies would seem a more fitting characterization, since their intended effect was always to bewilder and frighten the public.

  170. @gsjackson

    Thanks for the reply! Yeah I have not picked up on any obvious left / right leanings in any of C.J’s articles, He seems to go after all those worthy of scorn on either end of the spectrum… Using common sense and pragmatism. Basically you seem to be saying He’s an old school liberal turned populist, not a progressive!

  171. Mefobills says:
    @schnellandine

    When you learn that the south and west was becoming a plutocracy, and was returning to the British Colonial System, you might change your mind. The south and west was to become an extraction economy exploited for its minerals and farming products, similar to africa.

    When you learn that the south and west was going to be filled up with African Negroes, then you might change your mind.

    When you learn that Lincoln spent debt free greenbacks to prosecute the war, and then afterward intended on industrializing and building out the south and west, you might change your mind. He was assassinated by the usual suspects.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  172. @Mefobills

    , you might change your mind.

    , then you might change your mind.

    , you might change your mind.

    Is that you, Andrew Napolitano?

    He was assassinated by the usual suspects.

    Broken Clock Syndrome strikes again.

    That Lincoln was a mass-murdering bastard makes no saint of the CSA. Nor the other direction. The CSA was secessionist, and should have been left to self determination. One cannot be a “constitutionalist” and revere its rapist, yet that’s often the position.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  173. Bro43rd says:
    @obwandiyag

    You are the hold’em player who raises & reraises & eventually goes all in with an off suit 8 & 2. Just don’t know when to quit.

  174. @Mefobills

    PCR? LOL

    One of the biggest state-inhaling shysters ever to dance on the fringe of the liberty movement. Can’t even get the title accurate; wasn’t a “civil war”.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  175. Mefobills says:
    @schnellandine

    One of the biggest state-inhaling shysters

    Righto… when you have no argument, then fling ad-hominems.

    If you bothered to educate yourself, you would find out that the South was using the constitution as toilet paper. The war was economic, and the tariff was the ignition point. The constitution allows imposts and taxes to be levied, and the south didn’t want to pay.

    The South didn’t want to pay the tariff, they wanted muh free market. Free to have slaves, a landed plutocracy, and also free to become part of the british colonial system again. The north was equally stupid in not recycling tariff gains back to the south. So, the south had a legitimate grievance in that prices would go up with the tariff.

    It was just like today, with people hiding their real motivations.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  176. @Mefobills

    Righto… when you have no argument, then fling ad-hominems.

    Yes, the lamest of precious denunciations: “You called someone names!”

    From decades of observation it appears most people saying “ad hominem” have nothing on the ball logically beyond a thrill that an opponent committed what appears to the thrilled as a fatal error.

    [MORE]

    My argument in regard to your article suggestion (already a lame blanket-rebuttal tactic on a forum) is precisely that I consider PCR a scoundrel and irredeemable ass. I’ve known of him for years, and met him decades ago, soon after which I boycotted his drivel on principle. I don’t click his articles here, and I won’t click on his site.

    Here’s an exploratory analogy for you to expand awareness, and possibly curtail spurious assertions of the almighty argument killer, the ad-hominy-boo:

    My mower’s broken. You stop by and, after hearing my suspected diagnosis, recommend I visit the PCR Small Engine Shop. Perfectly reasonable advice from your perspective. However, you don’t know that I’ve direct experience with that shop, and I call the owner a worthless sonofabitch. “Alas!” you say. “When you have no argument, then fling ad-hominems.”

    But I do have an argument: It’s based on the premise that I deem PCR trash:

    P1: I despise PCR and refuse to read any more of his writing.
    P2: You offer, lazily, a link to PCR.
    C: I will not be reading the article you link.

    Now, I could play the froo-froo and disguise that syllogism in drivel highborn enough that you don’t recognize it as name calling and then pull the hole card of the logic-ignorant and dance your dance. No point, for there’s nothing inherently illogical in personal attacks, and, unlike wannabe logic amateurs, I understand it and write accordingly. To the instant point, there is nothing anywhere fallacious when the very major premise of an argument is a personal attack. Yes, this is incomprehensible to programmed internet buzzword merchants, legion are they.

    Further, in your tired attempt to fob me off onto your professional rotgut vendor, you placed a raw URL that included, as purported education to remedy my deficient knowledge of the USA/CSA war, the term ‘civil war’.

    That is poetically ridiculous from my perspective (which is not yours nor appreciated by you as meaningful to me), and immediately disqualifying for your stated purpose, regardless of author, for I won’t waste my time reading a disaster of an article which can’t even avoid the first, most egregious falsehood of any whistling clod discussing the 1860s American war.

    To other argument, it appears you didn’t read with comprehension my statement regarding CSA secession, nor my disclaimer of not defending CSA doctrine, morals, tactics, etc.

    Have the last word if you want. I’ve had you on ignore for weeks because I don’t respect you, but clicked ‘Show Comment’ since you replied to me. Won’t again, especially since this is a thread derail.

  177. @nsa

    Style Advice Please. Don’t have a wu-wu virus face mask, so plan to wear girl’s panties over my head when leaving the house with the ears sticking out the leg holes . But am perplexed as to whether the hash mark should go in the front or the back. Sartorial counsel appreciated as do not want to look foolish.

    Was it worn?

    Seriously, one good thing about the Covid19 virus is that it ended deaths from ordinary flu.

  178. SW says:
    @botazefa

    I’m in Austin too and I’m not wearing a mask to anything but I know hair salons have gone nuts. For myself, I’m not going to wear one anymore (exception: doctor’s offices). It’s not anti-social — it’s aligning our behavior with reality. There is NO pandemic in Texas.

    • Thanks: botazefa
  179. @Amon

    Okay boomer.

    My God, you are brilliant. Love the insight. Keep up the good work.

  180. Yusef says:

    “To the instant point, there is nothing anywhere fallacious when the very major premise of an argument is a personal attack. Yes, this is incomprehensible to programmed internet buzzword merchants, legion are they.”

    I’m sorry, but as you’ve been nasty and dismissive, I have to call you out.

    Your argument is fallacious because it is not true a stupid person cannot say something true. (It is also not true a smart person never says something stupid.) Paul Craig Roberts may have a track record of saying false things and yet Mefobills may have found an instance where Paul Craig Roberts had some good points. You haven’t shown Mefobills was wrong in thinking PCR by what might well over-generalization of PCR’s veracity.

    I understand you might not want, based on your previous experience with PCR, to risk wasting your time on him, but even here I see no justification for your insulting responses. You could have been justified in asking Mefobills to summarize PCR’s relevant points in Mefobill’s own words; I think that’s what you should have done. It would have been quicker and easier than posting a long diatribe.

    If I were having problems with my mower and a friend or associate recommended a repair shop I had previously had problems with, I would simply mention that and maybe inquire about the depth and quality of their experiences. They took the time to offer a suggestion– that’s worth something. If you chose to reject their suggestion, most of us are big enough to respect your choice, especially if we realize you indeed have a history of bad experiences there we had known nothing about when we offered our piece of friendly advice.

    As to advice: you better take to heart Mefobill’s about the use of ad hominem attacks. They do fog our intellects and lead us into misjudgments and mistaken conclusions. They are generally recognized (I’ve never seen an exception, except yours, which is simply false) as informal fallacies. Also, in every day life we refer to them usually as insults and insults can lead to swift reprisal. There are still a few men out here in the real world who give a quick bitch slap in response to name calling of the sort you seem willing to dispense. (I suspect, though, that’s only on the internet. You’ve been on the internet a little too long, buddy.)

    “P1: I despise PCR and refuse to read any more of his writing.”

    You think this is a logical premise. Obviously your problems are so extensive I am essentially wasting my time.

    Are you a narcissist?

    You can despise PCR and refuse to read his writing, but to do so is not necessarily logical. Have you ever heard of subjectivity, objectivity? Have you ever considered your despising of PCR is based on your opinion of him? You must believe your opinions have an objective basis– a lot of narcissists do. It is very likely what you think of Paul Craig Roberts says a lot more about you than him. In any case, what you think about PRC in no way offers the basis for the construction of an argument. It is silly.

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  181. @Yusef

    You think this is a logical premise.

    Well, no, I don’t. It’s a statement of fact which only I, if even that, can know to be true. You tell on yourself with obvious unfamiliarity with even elementary, literal textbook syllogisms.

    Is what follows a logical syllogism?

    P1: All red flowers build skyscrapers.
    P2: Some dogs are red flowers.
    C: Some dogs build skyscrapers.

    BTW, no logician considers personal attacks inherently fallacious. Your view on the matter is internet bunk, downed in gallons by the inconsiderate.

    The funniest bit in this is that an inordinate focus on, and insistence of fallacy in, mere name calling from another is fallacious ad hominem. LOL. Poetic. It’s just too tiring for words.

    Try this, if your feeble brain can take it in:

    2 + 1 = 3, jackass!

    Oops. 2 plus 1 no longer equals 3; someone called someone a name.

    Infants.

    Yes, it is my opinion that PRC sucks. That you consider this revelatory boggles. Are you taking the piss? Good lord, I wrote in the very premise that I despise him, and you quoted it. Your comment has to be a put-on.

  182. Lurker says:
    @GeeBee

    Yarvin writes under the nom de plume ‘Mencius Moldbug. He is Jewish, so of course ‘The Cathedral’ is somewhat mischievous. ‘The Synagogue’ would serve far better…

    More than merely mischievous, outright trolling I think.

  183. Verity says:

    If you really think the virus is so “mild” count the dead and the sorely wounded again! I don’t care what the naysayers bleat, this old asshole is going to ground as much as possible until it’s safe to come out. Bad cess
    to those of you who endanger others because of your ignorance.

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