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It used to be comical, but suddenly it is not, anymore. In the past, blind hatred towards China could had been attributed to ignorance, or at least to indoctrination by the Western propaganda and mass media outlets.

But now? China’s tremendous leap forward, its excellent, humane social policies and determined people-oriented scientific research, as well as its march towards a so-called “ecological civilization” are well-documented, to the point that if anyone really wants to know, he or she has plenty of opportunities to learn the truth.

But it appears that very few want to learn. At least very few in the West.

China is seen negatively in almost all Western countries and their satellites. While surveys in places like Africa, where China intensively interacts with the people, helping them to break the chains of dependency on their neo-colonialist masters from Europe and North America, clearly indicate that it is admired and liked.

Last year (2018), a survey by the influential Pew Research Center (“Five Charts on Global Views of China”) established that China is viewed mostly positively in non-Western countries: 67% in Kenya where China is involved in substantial infrastructural and social projects, 61% in the most populous African nation – Nigeria, 70% in the Arab country of Tunisia, 53% in the Philippines, despite the fact that there, the West has been fueling a dispute over the islands in the South China Sea, and 65% in Russia, which is now the closest Chinese ally.

In the U.K., 49% of citizens see China positively, 48% in Australia, but only 39% in Germany and 38% in the United States.

But what is truly shocking, is the attitude of the West towards the leadership of China’s President – Xi Jinping – a determined thinker who is leading China towards true socialism with Chinese characteristics; almost eliminating extreme poverty (by the year 2020, there should be no pockets of misery left, anywhere on the territory of the PRC), and who is putting culture, a high quality of life, ecology and the general wellbeing of the Chinese people above economic indicators.

Conservative, anti-Communist Poland leads the pack: only 9% Poles “have confidence” in the leadership of President Xi. 11% of Greeks, 14% of Italians and 15% of Spaniards. That says something about Europe, as even in Canada, the number is 42%, and in the United States – 39%.

Is it truly just ignorance?

When interviewed by various Chinese media outlets, I am often asked the same question: “Why are we constantly criticized in the West, while we try to play by the rules, and doing our best to improve the planet?”

The answer is obvious: “Precisely for that reason.”

 

Some 20 years ago, China and its socialist project, were still in the ‘unfinished stage’. There were big differences in standards of living, between the urban areas in the east, and the countryside. Transportation was inadequate. Pollution in the industrial cities was very, very bad. Tens of millions of people were trying to migrate from the countryside to the cities, in search of jobs and a better living, putting great strains on the social system of the nation.

Those who did not like China, had plenty of ‘ammunition’, when criticizing it then. The country was moving forward, but the task to make it prosperous, clean, and healthy, appeared to by Sisyphean.

What followed was an absolute miracle, unprecedented in human history. Only the Soviet Union before the WWII registered greater growth and improvement of the standards of living of its people, than China did in the two last decades.

Everything in China changed. Its cities became clean, green, ecological, full of public parks, exercise machines for adults and children. Urban centers are now overflowing with a first class public transportation (all ecological), with impressive museums, concert halls, excellent universities and medical centers. Subsidized super-high trains are connecting all major cities of the country. In Communist China, everything is planned by the government and by the Communist Party, and the private sector is there to serve the nation, not vice versa. It works. It works remarkably well. Citizens have much more say about how their country is governed, than those in the West.

Cities are clean, efficient, built for the people. No beggars and no slums. No misery. Things are getting better and better.

Foreigners who come to China for the first time are shocked: China looks much wealthier than the US or UK. Its streets, its airports, its metro systems, high-speed trains, theatres, sidewalks, parks, easily put those in New York of Paris to shame.

But, it is not rich. Far from it! China’s GDP per capita is still relatively low, but that is precisely what makes “socialism with Chinese characteristics” so impressive and superior to the Western capitalism fueled by imperialism. China does not need to have average incomes of some $50,000+ per capita to prosper, to give its people an increasingly great life, to protect the environment, and to promote great culture.

Could it be, that this is precisely why the West is shaking in fear?

The West, where economic growth is everything, where people live in constant fear, instead of optimistic hope for the future. The West, where trillions of dollars and euros are wasted annually, so the elites can live in bizarre luxury and preside over irrational, unnecessary over-production and arms accumulation, which bring no well-being to the majority.

China and its central planning are offering a much better and logical system, for its citizens and for the world.

Most of its science is geared to the improvement of life on this planet, not for cold profits.

President Xi’s brainchild – BRI – is designed to lift up billions of people world-wide out of poverty, and to connect the world, instead of fragmenting it.

So why is President Xi so much disliked in Europe?

Could it be, that it is precisely because of the gigantic success of China?

 

ORDER IT NOW

Back to the previous point: 20 years ago, China had enormous social and environmental problems. The Westerners who did not like Communist Party of any type, would come and point fingers at things: “You see, Shanghai and Shenzhen are now prosperous, but look at other cities on the coast: see the contrast?”

Then the cities on the coast, all, began improving, planting parks, universities, metros, beautiful streets.

Criticism from the West continued: “Now leave the coast, go west, and you will see how unequal China is!”

Eventually, the west of China improved so much, that there was virtually no difference between the quality of life in the cities there, and on the coast.

“It is all so cynical,” the rant went on: “the difference between the cities and the countryside is so huge that peasants are forced to abandon their villages and seek jobs in the big cities.”

Under the leadership of President Xi, the entire countryside received an enormous overhaul. Transportation, medical services, educational facilities and job availability improved so much, that in 2018, for the first time in modern history, people began migrating back from the cities to the countryside.

Now what? What next? “Human rights?” Not much to trash, anymore, if one sees with eyes open.

But the better China becomes, the more it cares about its people, as well as people all over the world, the harder it gets attacked.

Not one “Wow!” from Western regime and its mainstream media. Not one “China is now leader of the world in ecology, social policies, science, and virtually everything public.”

Why?

The answer is obvious and unfortunately depressing: It is because the West does not want China and its president to succeed. Or if the succeed, it has to be hushed. The two systems are so different, that if China’s one is correct, the Western one is wrong.

And the West is not searching for a concept that is good for the world. It only wants its own concept to survive and dominate the planet. Full stop.

That is why China is so popular in the countries which want to save their people from misery, and to build new, better societies. That is why China is smeared and disliked, even hated, in the West and in a handful of countries outside the West, where Westerners and their descendants are both ruling and controlling the mass media (Argentina).

On a positive note, despite the determined and vicious propaganda being spread by Western and West-controlled mass media outlets, many more people have confidence in President Xi, than in the U.S. President Donald Trump, who inspires only 27% of the people all over the world.

 

[First published by NEO – New Eastern Outlook]

Andre Vltchek is a philosopher, novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries. Four of his latest books are Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism, a revolutionary novel “Aurora” and a bestselling work of political non-fiction: “Exposing Lies Of The Empire”. View his other books here. Watch Rwanda Gambit, his groundbreaking documentary about Rwanda and DRCongo and his film/dialogue with Noam Chomsky “On Western Terrorism”. Vltchek presently resides in East Asia and the Middle East, and continues to work around the world. He can be reached through his website and his Twitter. His Patreon

 
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  1. anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    Cities are clean, efficient, built for the people. No beggars and no slums. No misery. Things are getting better and better.

    China still has beggars, slums, and misery. Do you seriously need photographic proof of this?

  2. Cyrano says:

    The reason for the tremendous hatred for China by the west is because they thought that they had them in their hand. And now it appears that China is slipping out of their hand(s).

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
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    , @Erebus
  3. LOL! Another payed troll? What a great credentials – someone with “anon[272]” ID. Really!

    How brave, how convincing!

    OK, trolly, show me your Chinese slums. With proof that the images were taken in July 2019, not some ten years ago.

    Ten days Iago, in Shanghai, I only saw one set of beggars: a British family forcing its children to beg on the street. Kids were around 10 years old. If you want to see, go to my Twitter. Unlike people like you, I do not hide, and always document what I see!

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @GMC
    , @Wally
    , @eah
  4. peterAUS says:

    ….the better China becomes, the more it cares about its people, as well as people all over the world…

    Wow…

    Makes sense. If Holywood has to suck up to the Chinese regime why wouldn’t “alt-whatever” authors?

    We have another “Godfree Roberts” type here. The third is coming soon I am sure. Good gig.

  5. I’m not removing UR from my RSS feed yet. But this article did nudge me a bit more in that direction. Too much goofy stuff. It’s a shame. Unz, himself, has good material.

    • Replies: @Parbes
    , @Biff
  6. lloyd says: • Website

    My seventeen year old mainland Chinese stepson thought that refrigerated milk would stay permanently fresh. So fast has been the modernisation that the science we take in with our mother’s milk is largely absent.

  7. @Cyrano

    I saw Carol Dekker and T’Pau perform several times. She has a very strong voice.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  8. KJ says:
    @anon

    As an independent journalist, I have made half a dozen trips to China over the past three years, searching high and low for slums and beggars in China. I traveled the length of the country from North to South, looking hard for the impoverished and homeless. Many people had no idea what I was looking for–the concept was alien to them in present-day China. I was shown the interior of a “impoverished” peasant family house and it looked clean, spacious, well-equipped, even by modern Western standards. Once, I saw a person in a tent in Beijing on a tree-lined boulevard, but it was unclear whether they were homeless. They seemed very clean and relaxed and looked like a person claiming space that was due to them–almost as if they were camping out (to avoid the heat?). The contrast with the homeless in the West who look cowed, frightened, and strung out was striking, and this person had none of the accoutrements of someone who is carrying their whole life around with them. Eventually, I was told there was a slum in Shenzhen with homeless immigrant day laborers, by a shocked and indignant Chinese social worker. I found out that it consisted of internet cafes and cheap boarding houses with bunks–hardly an ideal living situation–but nothing approaching the raw, gut-wrenching misery of the homeless that you see any Western city. I can’t claim to have seen everything–I can’t claim to prove a negative–but I do get the feeling that not only is the country developing in leaps and bounds, but it genuinely is a tide that lifts all, in particular those at the bottom.
    The horrific, Dickensian immiseration and exploitation that you see all over the developing world–the stench of misery and naked exploitation–or the drugged out, wasted, “sacrifice zones” and “human detritus” of the industrialized west are nowhere to be seen.
    Perhaps there’s an important lesson to note here.

    • LOL: eah
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    , @eah
    , @TKK
  9. @anon

    Yes, please provide images, with dates and locations, showing Chinese beggars, slums, and misery.

  10. Cyrano says:
    @Philip Owen

    One of my favorite hits from the 80’s. She was singing it with such a conviction.

  11. Only the Soviet Union before the WWII registered greater growth and improvement of the standards of living of its people, than China did in the two last decades.

    ROTFL

    Never mind millions who died in the Great Famine.

  12. China, though communist, is still in nationalist mode. It’s mainly about China for Chinese.
    Also, Chinese people are willing to put up with repressive measures that no one, left or right, in the West is willing to tolerate(though PC has made the West increasingly repressive as well).

    China for Chinese is a powerful theme. US used to have a similar theme. During the New Deal, US was a white nation for whites mostly. Thus, whites were willing to be good citizens for the American Way. And the ruling elites saw nothing wrong with governing the nation for the good of whites.

    Also, most of Chinese history is about making do with less, and so, the Chinese people are more likely to be grateful for what they have.
    In contrast, Americanism came to be defined by wanting more to keep up with or even surpass the Joneses, and so, Americans are less likely to be grateful for what they got. And Diversity makes things much worse.

    Though Han Chinese are 90% of the population, most minority groups are also East Asian except in Uighur territories. China seems to have good median populace. US, in contrasts, has lots of high achievers and lots of low-achievers. US attracted many of the best minds around the world… but also brought in all those blacks and now take in all those browns. Browns at least may be useful as neo-serf labor force. They do contribute something and without much complaint. Blacks are another matter.

    • Agree: fnn
  13. Jason Liu says:

    worse than Godfree Roberts

    ———

    Foreign complaints about China come from a deeper place of emotion, the issues brought up (rights, pollution etc) are mostly just excuses to express those emotions. They can be divided into two camps:

    The western right, which views China as a civilizational if not racial threat. This is mostly just paranoia. China isn’t going to invade a western country, even if it had the military to do so. Almost all Chinese across the political spectrum are isolationists, compared to westerners, people don’t give a shit about what happens elsewhere unless it affects us.

    The western left, which views China as an ideological threat because it’s not a liberal democracy. This is accurate, but unjustified. It’s none of their business how other countries are run, even if they are run poorly or by oppression. So the answer to the left is much simpler: Fuck your values, fuck your democracy, and fuck your liberal world order.

    • Replies: @Andre Vltchek
    , @Chinaman
    , @joun
  14. @Priss Factor

    “Great famine” happened because the UK, France, US, Czechs, Poles, Romanians, Japanese and many others invaded young Soviet Union and thoroughly plundered it, while murdering and raping.

    This part of history is conveniently missing from the propaganda books in Western schools.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Arioch
    , @JGR
    , @Half-Jap
  15. @Jason Liu

    And you should put fxxx their “democracy” in “”.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  16. Cyrano says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    US “liberalism” is a one trick phony. The only thing that they have to show for its much vaunted “progressiveness” and “liberalism” is their chaotic immigration. Other than that, they are reactionary right wing “democracy”. And they think that they are fooling everybody about being “progressive” and “liberal”.

    In what other domain other than immigration are they progressive and liberal? They still don’t have a decent health care. Progressive my a**. Immigration is the bastion of their liberalism. That’s why they’ll never give it up, and that’s why is going to destroy them. And it’s not even liberal policy and it’s definitely not a “left wing” policy.

    In order for a policy to qualify as a “left wing” – by definition it has to be at the expense of the rich, for the benefit of the working class. THE WORKING CLASS THAT’S ALREADY THERE, NOT THE ONE THAT’S YET TO ARRIVE. No country in the world has any obligations towards a working class from another country. It’s just one big pile of phoniness.

    I only feel sorry for Europe. I don’t know whether it’s because they have lost so many bright young minds during the 2 WW’s, but all of the sudden they’ve become incredibly stupid. They had liberalism and progressiveness, they didn’t need to buy the BS from the US that in order to be true “liberal” you have to open the gates to the 3rd world.

  17. Malla says:

    But But, the West created Communist China!!

    Joseph Stalin’s reluctance to create Communist China

    US State Dept put Mao in power!

    M Stanton Evans discusses his research into Communist spies in the USA during the 1940s and 1950s. John Stewart Service of the US State Department backed Mao Tse-Tung’s rise to power in China.

    Mao, Yale, CIA, China!

    Yale Group Spurs Mao’s Emergence.
    From Yale University itself. Mao was a Yali.

    Western companies went there and there was enormous technological transfer. Why is the West crying now? West very weird

  18. dearieme says:

    In the past, blind hatred towards China

    You’re just making this up. I have never in my life heard anyone express blind hatred towards China. Hell, when I was small we were urged to eat up our food because – somewhat illogically – “Think of all the poor, starving people in China”.

    • Replies: @TKK
  19. Svevlad says:

    The reason for the hate is because they damn well know that they’ll be 90% branded as incompetent fucks incapable of forming a proper civilization, and then promptly go the way of the dodo, as they should, God willing

  20. Realist says:
    @anon

    China still has beggars, slums, and misery. Do you seriously need photographic proof of this?

    Yes

  21. fnn says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    You’re nuts. The Western Allies were mad about the Bolsheviks making peace with Germany. They (but not the Japanese) became ambivalent about the Bolsheviks and really didn’t much like the Whites. That’s why they engaged so little (only suffering minor casualties)) and withdrew in 1920. Here’s Herbert Hoover in his biography of Woodrow Wilson:

    We have also to… consider, what would actually happen if we undertook military intervention. We should probably be involved in years of police duty, and our first act would probably in the nature of things make us a party with the Allies to re-establishing the reactionary classes. It also requires consideration as to whether or not our people at home would stand for our providing power by which such reactionaries held their position. Furthermore, we become a junior in this partnership of four. It is therefore inevitable that we would find ourselves subordinated and even committed to politics against our convictions.

    https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2009/04/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified_15/

    Then Western capitalists fed the Soviet population and went on to build the Soviet industrial base:

    Meanwhile, the American Relief Administration (A.R.A.) headed by Herbert Hoover, poured 700,000 tons of food and supplies worth $60 million into Russia. (Facts on communism, pp. 133-134). What America did was merciful, magnanimous, and in good faith, but it relieved Lenin and his followers from their greatest fear – a successful counter-revolution because of the famine.

    …AMERICAN CAPITALISTS REPLACE MOST EUROPEANS BY 1929 American technical leadership began to replace German leadership in rebuilding the Soviet Union.
    “Of the agreements in force in mid-1929, 27 were with German companies, 15 were with United States firms and the remaining ones were primarily with British and French firms. In the last six months of 1929, the number of technical agreements with U.S. firms jumped to more than 40.” (Sutton, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development, 1917-1930, pp. 346-347).
    The new program was announced, however, only “after a sequence of construction and technical-assistance contracts with Western companies had been let. The Freyn-Gipromez technical agreement for design and construction of giant metallurgical plants is economically and technically the most important.” (Ibid., p. 347).

    In 1930 the Ford Motor Company established the Russian motor car industry by constructing a factory “capable of turning out 140,000 cars a year.” By the end of the decade the factory, at Gorki, was one of the largest in the world. Ford also provided training for the Russians in assembling automobiles “plus patent licenses, technical assistance, and advice,” and “an inventory of spare parts.” (Keller, East Minus West Equals Zero, pp. 208-209, 215-216). Americans also built, in the Soviet Union, the largest iron and steel works in the world; patterned after the city of Gary, Indiana. The huge steel complex, built at Maginitogorsk, was constructed by a Cleveland firm. (Ibid., pp. 209-210).

    http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-ConspiracyTheory&NWO/+Doc-ConspiracyTheory-FalseEnemies/TheWestFinancedSoviets.htm

    There’s a lot more at the link.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Marcus
  22. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Cyrano

    Capitalist “democracy” has evolved into the equivalent of economic sharecropping. Dollarocracy

    • Replies: @pizmo
  23. Patricus says:

    Nevermind the socialist paradises in China and Russia which shame Switzerland and the US with their great wealth. Cuba and Haiti are fabulously rich countries and leave the west behind.

    This author is brain dead.

  24. For once I actually agree with Vltchek about something important: China is the wave of the future, not Amerikastan.

  25. Parbes says:
    @Ray Woodcock

    Nobody cares what you remove from your feed or not.

  26. Cyrano says:

    It turns out that while the US was fighting the good fight against the evil socialism – or as they like to call it in US – communism – because it sounds more ominous and threatening – an unexpected thing happened.

    The evil Jews slipped them a bootlegged copy of the evil socialism through the back door. That was totally unfair. While the good capitalists were busy spreading democracy around the world out of the goodness of their heart, without seeking to gain any advantages from that endeavor – as a result this is what they got – a malfunctioning version of “socialism”.

    God, I wish the good capitalists were not so naïve and trusting. And look how ungrateful China turned out to be too. While the US shipped them the blueprints for a perfectly functioning capitalist economy, the Chinese were disrespectful enough to keep their socialist structures of power.

    So what China now got is a hybrid Socialist-Capitalist political and economic system that’s proving to be even more successful than the “classical” capitalism. That is just unfair. Since WW2, US has been fighting to prevent a more popular and successful economic and political system from emerging, and thanks to their greed they are the ones who actually helped create a better system than theirs in China.

    OK, OK, to be fair they have also adopted a similar hybrid at home – Capitalism with “socialist” elements. Except that the evil Jews made them introduce phony socialist elements.

    Wait, what? That was the plan all along? To introduce fake socialist elements that don’t matter one bit, so people wouldn’t ask for real socialist policies that would bring more social justice? Well, then, I guess it’s all good.

    We’ll see whose hybrid of Socio-Capitalist system will work better – China’s or US’s – with tons of gay rights, visible minority rights, voting rights and so on. And they are all freebies – they didn’t cost the good capitalists one cent. Is that genius or what?

    • Agree: Parfois1
  27. Antoine says:

    TRUE FROM THE BEGINING TO THE END

    Ive been living in China for many years now. The USA and the Western World used to be superior to China. These people still shit in public (into public trashcans not on the street thankfully), serve mystery meat from any animal and every part, and grow in an environment of perpetual heavy pollution. But despite all this are surpassing the entire Western World, why?
    For starters, gay married is illegal, even with their overpopulation, and its not a religious matter because the Chinese are atheist. Its cultural. It produces no offspring, essentially being gay in China is ending of the family line and is unforgivable, the entire Chinese family may beat the faggot to death. Dead serious.
    Secondly the Chinese dont tolerate Islam, these people are heavily policed. They dont lie either, all the security at airports, subways, bus stations, etc, they say is there because of the Muslims. Every Chinese building, shopping mall, workplace, has special security guards with armor and “knife sticks” to disarm crazed Muslims. The Muslims that do decide to get a little crazy and not eat pork, not drink beer, read the unedited nongovernment approved Quran, go to reeducation hard labor camps. They arent lying when the news says there are hundreds of thousands maybe a couple million muslims in the camps.
    Thirdly the Chinese engage in whats known as ethnic colonization. They did it in Tibet years ago and are currently doing it in the Muslim regions of China. They pay thousands of Han Chinese to move into these regions while at the same time forcing the young single women to move to Han Dominant regions to work in factories and marry the men there. The Chinese population is so large that they will absorb these minority groups within a few generations.

    Fourth The Chinese dont allow every tom dick and harry foreigner to enter China. For the most part, on paper, the person needs to be spotless, background checks from your local police department, medical checks in your nation and then again when arriving in China, college degree minimum, and even then they scour social media to see if the individual has ever talked shit about China, even the most mundane of criticism and the Chinese government will reject your VISA (western countries wish they had the leadership to do this).

    Fifth, The Chinese are fascist. Yes I know they call themselves Communist and blah blah blah retards in the west probably prop them up as successful Communism but this isnt true. The countries economy is state manipulated, not state owned, and every large business, corporation, multinational, etc, is run independent of government but by members of the CCP. Every single CEO of every successful Chinese company, every last one of them, is a member of the government and receives government money to undercut international competition. Majority of Chinese companies are not successful financially, but they use the sheer might of the Chinese taxpayer to prop them up and drive out foreign competition with insanely low prices.

    Lastly, and perhaps the greatest reason the Chinese are winning against the West, is the dissent is not tolerated. Im not talking about 1989 tank crackdowns either. Dissent is regulated among the individual people, saying ANYTHING bad about China, not being nationalist enough, will enrage Chinese against this “anti-Chinese” person. The dissenting Chinese is seen as a traitor to their homeland, this is a great strength internationally because a lot of Chinese have left China but still actively shill for the country, they LOVE China, and despite leaving its poisonous food, polluted air, and low wages, they will fight tooth and nail for the Chinese reputation and support the Chinese governments ambitions in foreign nations.

    the Chinese race and Chinese nation are synonomous, an attack on the Chinese government is an attack on that Chinese persons race and them as an individual.

  28. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @KJ

    I can’t claim to have seen everything–I can’t claim to prove a negative–

    Good answer. Your argument is better than the original post.

    However:

    http://archive.fo/uWSqK

    The Financial Times was still reporting that China had slums a few months ago.

    Check the photos.

    Similarly:

    https://www.quora.com/Are-there-slums-in-China

    A lot of folks on quora want to argue that China’s slums are not as bad as the slums of other countries, ergo they don’t consider China’s slums to be true slums. I suspect Godfree and Andre would like to stretch that line of rhetoric beyond the bounds of credibility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

  29. @Antoine

    Typical racist rant of deranged Westerner. Many such individuals living in China. While paid from abroad to smear

    • Replies: @Ulithi
    , @Alfa158
  30. Biff says:
    @Ray Woodcock

    Don’t let the door hit ya.

  31. @Priss Factor

    Nobody has starved to death in China since 1949.

    The millions who ‘died’ in the great famine never existed.

    Read http://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered-part-two-whose-famine/

  32. @Antoine

    Nonsense. Harvard’s Gary King says, “Contrary to much research and commentary, the purpose of the censorship program is not to suppress criticism of the State or the Communist Party. Indeed, despite widespread censorship of social critics, we find that when Chinese people write scathing criticisms of their government and its leaders the probability that their post will be censored does not increase. Instead, censored tweets were equally likely to be against the state, for the state, irrelevant, or factual reports about events. Negative, even vitriolic criticism of the state, its leaders and its policies are not more likely to be censored.” Reverse-Engineering Chinese Censorship. by Gary King
    Thursday, September 12, 2013

  33. @anon

    The slums in those photos are in India and Brazil, not China. That’s the point of the article.

  34. Google says:
    @anon

    What a moron. The photos from FT, they’re not slums, they’re demolished buildings, part of relocation projects. Western fake news is desperate trying to pass demolished buildings as slums because there’s no slum in China. If you want to see real slums, go to Philippines and Indonesia.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  35. @Godfree Roberts

    It is incredible to see some of the comments on Unz.com, so desperate to smear China.

    You know, when I grew up “behind iron curtain”, at least we, young kids, had great curiosity about what was said and written in the West. Perhaps too much curiosity, which at the end destroyed great socialist experiments.

    But, what shocked me when I first came to the West, and what is shocking me now, is how obedient, how totally sheepish have been people in North America and Western Europe.

    Reading comments about China in this discussion forum makes me think: majority of the people here are repeating precisely what they were told by the BBC, CNN, US government…

    Like little children. Like ISIS.

    Intellectual degeneracy in the West is becoming laughable. And so obvious! Just cut and paste, people.

  36. Ulithi says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    Andre : This “deranged Westerner” aka Antoine, has logged four comments on Unz. None of these previous comments could, you apparently being the exception , strike anyone with an open mind as “racist rant(s)” .

  37. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    the Chinese race and Chinese nation are synonomous, an attack on the Chinese government is an attack on that Chinese persons race and them as an individual.

    Speaking as an ethnic Chinese who grew up overseas, I can certainly attest to this. Chinese are very thin skin and lack introspection, like the Jews. This is esp. true of those who came from mainland China.

    I’ve never been to China but I’ve seen quite a number of YouTube videos on China from travel vloggers. I think China has definitely modernized a great deal in the last twenty years, but just like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Dubai etc., modern infrastructure doesn’t always reflect the modernization of culture and attitude. In the mideast, people are still stuck in their medieval mindset thanks to Islam. In China, maybe communism has sucked away their collective soul, China people are money hungry, loud, rude and selfish.

    You see this in the YouTube videos. Everywhere you go people talk loudly, even when alone they talk loudly into their phones, on trains, buses, in restaurants, indoor, outdoor, everywhere! In uber modern restaurants in Shanghai, they announce the next number for seating loudly and continuously through loud speakers. Even in beautiful restaurants in supposedly peaceful and tranquil tea gardens, they do this. It’s obnoxious to the max.

    And they continue acting like this when they travel or migrate abroad. Anywhere in the world you go, when there’s even a single China person, he/she will talk loudly, with each other or into the phone. And spit! I’ve also seen young China couples sitting through entire restaurant meals without saying a word to each other but staring into their own cellphone. And they never say thank you when people hold the door open for them. These people have the most obnoxious manners!

    Until China people learn some good manners, stop talking loudly everywhere they go, stop chewing with their mouth open and talking with their mouth full, stop spitting, learn to say please and thank you, they will never get any respect wherever they go in the western world, no matter how modern and rich China becomes.

  38. @Anonymous

    Really, really “Anonymous”? They will all talk loudly and spit?

    LOL!

    Great classical musicians, too? Philosophers. Brilliant filmmakers and poets? All talk loudly into their mobile phones and spit?

    How much? How much they pay you per Tweet?

  39. @Andre Vltchek

    As an ethnic Chinese who grew up overseas, let me explain that fool’s PoV.
    He thinks of himself as a product of civilized society, and the mainland Chinese as rural peasants who have too much money and not enough manners. In his mind, he is above and they beneath.

    It’s a common phenomenon. For many decades we’ve had mainlanders come out into the world, behaving like Mr. Anonymous describes and it’s left a negative impression on the Chinese diaspora.
    They think things like “We’re better than them” and “They give us Chinese a bad name” and over time start to think of mainlanders as something less than human and more like a swarm of pests, like locust or flies.

    I know that the Taiwanese, Hong Kongers, Indonesian Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Singaporean Chinese, etc. all think like that to some degree. Try interviewing a few ethnic Chinese from those countries about their thoughts on mainlanders Andre, and you’ll see what I mean.

    On the flip side some mainlanders see us diaspora as ‘imitation Chinese’, a bunch of fakes that have lost our roots to the ancestral land. They mock those that can’t speak Mandarin and mock the ‘strange’ accents and vocabulary of those that can. They look down us for being too trusting and tell us we’re ‘soft’ for having escaped the brutalities of the growing pains of China.. blind to the persecution some of us went through because of our race as diaspora. The disrespect is two-way and its such a pity.

    On the bright side I find the younger generations of mainlanders to be more approachable, open minded and self-aware compared to their elders. While they are still aloof, they’re much easier to get along with.
    Perhaps given more time and the help of their Social Credit System, us diaspora and the mainlanders will be able to see each other as cousins and we’ll have less idiots like Mr. Anonymous.

  40. @Andre Vltchek

    “Two percent of the people think; three percent of the people think they think; and ninety-five percent of the people would rather die than think.” –George Bernard Shaw.

    Most people are indifferent to ideas. Most people just want to fit in. Most people are lazy, weak-willed and passionate. Of those who are paid to think and interpret the world–from government officials to academics and journalists–almost all are paid to conform to their employers’ beliefs (as Phil Donahue discovered when he opposed the Iraq invasion).

    Americans are further burdened by the country’s history of elevating belief over evidence and reason, which underlies the country’s notorious anti-intellectualism.

  41. voicum says:
    @Priss Factor

    Sorry , but i have to ask : are you a retard? People , here , are of a certain level of thinking and reasoning.

  42. voicum says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    When did you come in “The west” ?

    • Replies: @Andre Vltchek
  43. @voicum

    I came to the West young… and brainwashed by the BBC. And I left, still young, when I saw the reality.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  44. The author appears to be under the impression China is still socialist.

    It’s actually become the most perfect plutocracy ever seen. If you think that’s the ideal, fine, but…

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Andre Vltchek
  45. @Godfree Roberts

    ‘Nobody has starved to death in China since 1949.’

    We need to rank these — or perhaps rank people by how many of them they believe:

    Sandy Hook was staged

    The Twin Towers were destroyed in controlled demolitions

    There was no Holocaust

    Nobody has starved to death in China since 1949

    The Oklahoma City bombing was a black flag operation

    • Troll: Cyrano
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  46. JGR says:
    @Antoine

    I’ve lived in the PRC for the last 10 years and most of what I’m reading here is rubbish. The top half-dozen mega-cities are impressive (and some of the smaller ones) and fast trains are nice, but leave those places and it’s a different story.

    China is nothing but a big factory fed by dirt-poor farmers, many of whom fled to the cities to live 10-to-a-room in apartments that are falling down around them, and no, they are not migrating back in any sizable number. The ruling gov’t has done nothing to alleviate the poverty of the countryside and God forbid you get seriously ill because the nearest hospital will be poorly staffed and equipped. I spent time in two of them. The medical care here is 75 years behind in most places outside the mega cities. I went to the hospital once with pneumonia and was lying in my ER bed when an old guy was brought in and put in the bed beside me. He started writhing around (heart-attack) and the doctors did nothing. No recusitation no CPR no nothing because they didn’t have any equipment (or proper training). He died. This was in the “best” hospital in a city of over a million people.

    Every summer I motorcycle through the countryside on long trips among the villages, farms and small towns. For the most part they are dirty, poor, have broken-down infrastructure and no medical facilities at all, other than a small “clinic” where you can get your TCM. The mega-cities may not have slums like the West, but in reality most of China outside these cities is a big slum. The second- and third-tier cities can vary in quality of life but the countryside has not shared in any of that progress. There are some gems, and its completely in the hands of local politicians, some of whom do a nice job in their cities. As well, 10 years ago things were much worse, but even today I don’t see China as some great shining example to be emulated, quite the opposite.

    Human rights? Meiyou (don’t exist). Just ask the Uighurs in Xinjiang or the Christians who are having their crosses torn down or the Tibetan monks who have been setting themselves on fire to protest Han cultural domination. And now, the new Social Credit System is absolute totalitarian control over every aspect of every individuals’ life. If you don’t play along you can’t even buy a train ticket.

    The Chinese people have essentially made a deal with Pooh Bear that they will accept his heavy handed rule if he will let them make money and buy BMWs. To a large degree this has worked, though financed mostly through huge debt, sovereign and corporate. Lack of confidence or respect for Xi is not difficult to understand. Setting himself up as Mao II through his “anti-corruption” (read purge of enemies) campaign was just a cheap power grab on a large scale. He speaks in grand platitudes but is quietly constructing the most oppressive regime ever imagined. Complete internet control along with a gazillion cameras insures complete obedience. What’s not to like, eh?

    Who’s superior East v. West is a silly argument. Both sides are so massively indebted, along with the EU in the middle, that there is no working it out. All sides are so completely inter-twined that what begins here or there will infect everyone when the party’s over. China’s rise has been purely economic, and that hugely unequal. The West is rotting from within and PC is just as oppressive as Xi’s wet dreams. The question is like which way would you like to die? Fire or suffocation?

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  47. This article seems to have generated some very hyped up responses. Why I’m not sure.
    The author’s views are not exactly “extreme”.
    China is a phenomenal success. Westerners are scared of such a shockingly fast expansion.
    None of this extreme.
    Sure, the author lays the positives on pretty thick. But China’s expansion – it’s success – is probably unique in history. (does it really matter whether some are still poor, that there’s still some slums in country of 1.4 BIL’, that’s only been seriously modernising for no more than 30 years?).
    I don’t think the Chinese are the second coming of Christ… nor of Stalin.
    If you actually don’t think Chinese advancement is real simply look at the US response to it. The US has engaged in the neoliberal SIN of interfering in “free markets” via tariffs on Chinese trade & the persecuting of a Chinese CO, all for political /geo-strategic advantage.
    In short the US is shit-scared.
    China is neck & neck if not leading in many cutting edge technologies. Worse, it’s crash producing a navy of very high quality & quantity. It’s Air Force is seriously catching up. And worse-worse, China does it all with far-far less expense than the US.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  48. Cyrano says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    Andre, I totally understand your anger at the west, man. Western “democracy” is a fool’s paradise. And since I am no fool, it’s not a paradise for me either. They sabotaged (and worse) and helped destroy a beautiful system – for this???!!!

    On the day Vincent Van Gogh died – apparently he uttered the immortal words to his brother Theo: “The sadness will live forever”. On the day the west dies, hopefully they’ll collectively utter equally immortal words: The phoniness will live forever.

  49. @Colin Wright

    Before we try to rank them, let’s see whether they belong on the same list.

    Three–Sandy Hook, The Twin Towers, and The Oklahoma City bombing–are recent and local and all stimulated a great deal of conversation and controversy to which local people could usefully contribute and which lent themselves to first-hand investigation, e.g., Architects and Engineers for Truth.

    The other two–no Holocaust and Nobody has starved to death in China since 1949–are remote in space and time and we depend almost exclusively upon our mass media for information about them. And our media have been relentlessly reinforcing the ‘truth’ of both (non) events for 70 years–almost three generations.

    Ranking isn’t very helpful in this case.

  50. @JGR

    I live two hours from the Chinese border, have been visiting since 1967 and the frequency of my visits has increased in the last seven years.

    I avoid the big cities and visit second- and third-tier towns and have seen nothing that matches your description.

    Can you provide us with some images, their locations and dates, so we can get an idea of what you’re seeing?

  51. @Colin Wright

    Of course China is socialist! And it does not need failed Western left to tell it whether it is or not. After 6.000 + years of history it can define itself, thank you

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  52. Yee says:

    Colin Wright,

    “The author appears to be under the impression China is still socialist.”

    If America was half as socialist as China, i.e. banks, oil companies, MIC, aren’t private-owned, 90% of your country’s problems would disappear…

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @Malla
  53. @Andre Vltchek

    ‘Of course China is socialist!’

    Your idealism and naivete are touching; but your grasp of reality leaves a lot to be desired.

    There are at least eighty three billionaires in the Chinese Congress of People’s Deputies; by comparison, none in the US Congress. More figures for China:

    ‘…The richest 209 parliament delegates are each worth more than 2 billion yuan ($300 million)…

    By comparison, the U.S. doesn’t have a single billionaire in Congress. The wealthiest member, California Republican Darrell Issa, is worth around $440 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics…’

    What makes it worse is that per capita, America remains far richer than China. Comparing the two, it is obviously China that is ruled by the rich. Here, the rich indeed influence politics; there, they are the politics.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @IM
    , @denk
    , @Vidi
  54. peterAUS says:
    @JGR

    Good comment.
    Much appreciated.

    You haven’t mentioned one element which could be interesting to hear about.
    Police.
    Would you be willing to say how does that work for a common citizen there?

  55. Element59 says:

    China’s system is also a product of its people. The Chinese nation is built upon the cohesion of a highly group-selected people who also have an unusually high and innate deference to authority as also seen in Korea and Japan.

    Western nations are built on concepts of the individual and are relatively lesser group-selected and somewhat lesser inclined to defer to authority. Pathological altruism is another characteristic of the West which appears to manifest most acutely when resource abundance is high and group stress is relatively low.

    China will indeed inherit the global leadership mantle by 2100, which is currently held by the Western World, but with its own innate and distinctive Chinese character. They will find that they must ruthlessly protect its national identity and its gene pool in order to maintain its dominance, and it has all the right ingredients to do so. The West does not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. @JGR

    The top half-dozen mega-cities are impressive

    When was the last time you were in China? There are almost 20 tier 1 cities and 65 cities with populations more than one million, only half dozen were nice?

    See China cities.

    Also, with basic healthcare covering more than 95% of the population, the overall picture of Chinese healthcare is much better than you described.

    See China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data. Considering that the per capita income of the U.S. is 4-5 times more than China’s, it’s a remarkable achievement of China’s public health.

  57. @Malla

    Malla, you are right on point. There is also this.

    https://forward.com/schmooze/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @denk
  58. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    “which at the end destroyed great socialist experiments.”
    So now the Soviet apologist who is literally claiming “the only reason communism failed is because those entitled kulaks preferred American degeneracy” wants to lecture us on blindly believing government narratives for no blindly swallowing your and Godless’s pro-Maoist paroxysms.
    Why should we believe a word of your bugman fellation? Give us one good reason.

  59. Chinaman says:
    @Jason Liu

    I think the article fail to discuss the deeper primal instincts at play here. The belief in white supremacy, fear and envy. Envy drive the world. It gives white people great pleasure to conjure up the image of the decrepit Chinese are on brink of starvation and on kowtowing for help. Telling them starving Chinese is a fantasy is like telling a kid Santa don’t exist. You get some incredulity and indignation. I see this a lot on the faces of whites you meet at Bund 18. Where the fuck are the starving Chinese people? I used to have an office in NY and hire a lot of white people so I have to deal with this kind of mentality and reflected in the comments here.

    • Replies: @Antoine
    , @Alden
    , @Lin
    , @Anonymous
  60. Chinaman says:
    @anonymous_from_SEA

    The problem runs deeper than that. There is a large cultural schism that can’t be reconciled. I am being generous here since there is no culture in China. Traditional Chinese culture is in taiwan and Hong Kong…and Japan. Things will only improve when China gets a PR remake, recultivate its culture and export it like South Korea does. This will take another 30 years as peasants culture reign supreme now.

    Chinese “Americans”, Chinese Singaporean and Malaysians take pride in their diaspora identity, this is a joke and it may arise from a deep seated inferiority of complex. They are lower caste Chinese whose ancestors were coolie and janitors, who couldn’t make it In China. there is adverse genetic selection here and it is funny how reverse discrimination works.

  61. nsa says:

    The Chinese so far have resisted the intrusion of foreign financial service firms (euphemism for the jew) into their domestic economy……the actual stumbling block to a settlement of the present tariff war and the main reason they receive such hostile press from the jew dominated western media. China has a bright future as long as it keeps the jew and jew-lite chrissie out…..and they know it. It’s that simple.

  62. Biff says:
    @Chinaman

    Chinese “Americans”, Chinese Singaporean and Malaysians take pride in their diaspora identity, this is a joke and it may arise from a deep seated inferiority of complex. They are lower caste Chinese whose ancestors were coolie and janitors, who couldn’t make it In China. there is adverse genetic selection here and it is funny how reverse discrimination works.

    The Chinese in Singapore are educated and wealthy, and far from coolies and janitors. My wife’s Chinese family are merchant class who fled the communist revolution and went to SEA. Doing quite well thank you very much.

  63. Antoine says:
    @Chinaman

    We have much bigger problems than that , the mayority of nationalist that i talk with are only obsesed with mantaining the sovereignty over their countries and wish china success and maybe being a worthy oponent like the urss was to compeat for the conquest of the space .
    Some of them are even cheering for you as way to purificate the western world as the only external force capable of acelerating its collapse so a more worthy europe can be rebuilt afterward .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. eah says:
    @KJ

    The horrific, Dickensian immiseration and exploitation that you see all over the developing world– the stench of misery and naked exploitation–…

    That’s really quite florid prose; you need to be careful with that lest readers judge you to be a high school-ish laughing stock — what is the agent behind this “immiseration”? — and why haven’t the locals been able to do anything to counter it like the wonderful Chinese?

    …or the drugged out, wasted, “sacrifice zones” and “human detritus” of the industrialized west are nowhere to be seen.

    Here you seem to acknowledge these scenes are due in large part to individual failings (alcoholism, drug addiction) and/or (mental) illness — there is help available for many of these people, but they choose not to avail themselves of it, and with the exception of mental illness (where compulsion does not happen often enough), absent a court order they aren’t and can’t be compelled to.

    Perhaps there’s an important lesson to note here.

    Exactly what is that “important lesson”? — how do you explain the still rather large immigration flows from China to not only the US, but into all white, western countries? — and how far behind its current level of development would China be without the investment and economic activity of western companies over the last several decades?

    • Replies: @Gammaray
  65. Alden says:

    Just had a good laugh at the onward and upward for communism and the withering away of the state statue.

    Haven’t read and don’t intend to read the article.

  66. Alden says:
    @Chinaman

    If China’s so great, why don’t you all stay home and enjoy the peace and prosperity ? Why swarm and invade California?

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Chinaman
    , @Vidi
  67. Google says:
    @Anonymous

    Chinese people are kind and have high alturism, basically what the westerners claim they’re but aren’t. Look at the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heEvqPAUf4w

    China & Chinese people don’t care about getting respect from the west because they don’t have slave mentality (i.e always looking for validation from western masters).

    • Replies: @Anon
  68. All hail the Great Helmsman of State!
    Our harvest (of organs) is great!
    We advance, ever-eager!
    (To crush the poor Uighur,
    And prepare for Taiwan the same fate.)

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  69. Late last year, I went to a public lecture by a World Bank official who has spent his life studying poverty reduction in lower income countries.

    The World Bank statistics that he displayed for China were astonishing. The percentage of people living in absolute poverty, nowadays defined as cash income of less than $1.90 a day, in China is about 0.7% — down from 66% in 1990, less than thirty years ago.

    He said it is hardly discussed or noted, but this is the greatest story since the industrial revolution lifted living standards in Europe above agrarian subsistence levels, two centuries ago.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY?locations=CN&view=chart

    • Replies: @JGR
    , @Ron Unz
  70. Don’t forget the genetic racism of the so called west, so obvious in the comment section of this website. This racism, built on the myth of white “high IQ” superiority and “scientific racism”, is getting its teeth kicked down its throat by China, and said racists are squealing like stuck pigs. Those which still have a place in polite society cloak their squealing in the fiction of “democracy” and “human rights”; the rest, like the denizens of cesspools like Unz, don’t bother hiding their racist hate. Both of them are motivated, ultimately, by two things: fear and envy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Marcus
    , @Anon
    , @Malla
  71. @Chinaman

    Ethnic Chinese have lived in the Malayan Peninsula long before the colonials came, as far back as the 10th century. In addition, thanks to Zheng He’s expeditions here, trade between the mainland and Malaya exploded in the 14th century and continued all the way through the colonial era. Many of the Chinese traders who came here during that period settled down and started key industry such as agriculture and mining that they still control to this day. Some of them married the locals and became collectively known as the Peranakan, a mixed race group with their own distinctive culture.

    When the first colonials from Portuguese arrived in the early 15th century to conquer Malaya, Chinese trade and migration actually slowed as they were incredibly hostile to us, so much so that both the mainlanders and locals sided with the Islamic communities against them. Eventually they were ousted by the Dutch and that was when immigration from China started flowing again, the majority in the form of coolies brought along by their employers.

    That you so dismissively classify the entire Malayan diaspora as the children of ‘coolie and janitors who couldn’t make it in China’ shows how out of touch most mainlanders are with our history. But that’s okay, we live and learn.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  72. onebornfree says: • Website

    Oh no!

    Not more “Communism is great/ China is great, communism increases the wealth of the common man” etc. etc. twaddle from yet another pie-eyed, naive, child with zero understanding of simple economic theory!

    This just in: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana

    But morons never learn from history [think USSR, Venezuela etc.]

    Because of the massive, increased, ongoing centralization of its economy under the idiot, murdering megalomaniac Xi [or whatever his name is], China’s going down. And it’s already started:

    The Chinese Economic Miracle Scam:

    “As far back as 2013, China’s macro-economic data has been ‘questionably’ smoothed at best, and outright fake at worst. Whether it is trade data (“never been faker” than in 2016) or aggregate production (2018’s massive GDP distortions), as economist Nouriel Roubini once asserted, China just makes its numbers up.

    And, as we pointed out earlier this week, this month was no exception, when following China GDP’s dramatic slowing to just 6.2% YoY – the slowest since record began – there was a delightful surprise to appease those who are wondering whether record credit injections and more easing measures than during the financial crisis had any effect at all. To wit, China retail sales and industrial production rebounded handsomely with the former spiking 9.8% YoY – the most since March 2018.

    There’s just one thing though – the entire surge in retail sales (and industrial production) seems to have been triggered by an almost unprecedented sudden surge in auto sales to – who else – the government itself, in the form large, state-owned enterprises. Think Cash for Clunkers on steroids – if the clunkers belonged to the Federal Government, and the new cars purchased were made by the Government……..”:

    Beijing Lets One Slip: Obscure Data Suggests China Housing Bubble Has Burst
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-17/obscure-chinese-data-suggests-china-housing-bubble-has-burst

    China: The Perfect High-Tech Totalitarian State
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14365/china-totalitarian-technology

    No regards, onebornfree

  73. Erebus says:
    @Cyrano

    The reason for the tremendous hatred for China by the west is because they thought that they had them in their hand. And now it appears that China is slipping out of their hand(s).

    In fact, the West got punked by China just as the US were recently punked by Venezuela.

    The West tried a neo-colonial grab. Its elites sacrificed their homeland(s) for a lunge at the brass ring of ruling 1.4B Chinese, and from there on to the rest of the world. China knew the score and ran a complex strategy within the rules that the West was simply blind to until it was too late. They planned the work and worked the plan, winding up with the world’s widest and deepest civil and industrial infrastructure, while the West got crumbling bridges, “refugees”, stratospheric debt and political deadlock. Having failed so garishly, its elites have started eating their own. A sure sign of impending collapse.

    The tide went slack and turned 20 yrs ago (or earlier). It’s now in full flow. There’s no stopping it, and Western elites are painfully aware of it. All that’s left to them is the last act of every elite in history, namely loot what’s left of the nation/empire.

    • Agree: Cyrano, Iris, FB
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @IM
    , @Anon
  74. onebornfree says: • Website

    Falun Gong Resists China’s Satanist Government

    “Falun Gong is an ancient spiritual practice from China that was made public on May 13, 1992. Through word of mouth, 100 million people in China took up the practice, including people in all walks of life from dirt poor farmers to the highest standing committee members. At the time, there were only 70 million members of the communist party, fewer than Falun Gong practitioners……………….Several practitioners were chosen to meet with officials, but Jiang Zemin, the premier decided to attack Falun Gong starting a nationwide campaign to demonize Falun Gong on July 20, 1999. Soon afterwards, an entire government department, the notorious 610 office was created specifically to persecute Falun Gong.

    Officially, the death toll to date is tens of thousands, with tens of millions being imprisoned, tortured and put to forced labor. Industrial scale forced organ harvesting has been documented for Falun Gong, Christians and political opponents of the communists……..”:

    From: “Falun Gong Resists China’s Satanist Government”:
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/07/Falun-Gong-Resists-Chinas-Satanist-Government.html

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Troll: Biff
    • Replies: @Lin
  75. eduqa says:

    Hey Andre,
    How much did the Chinese gov’t pay you to write this article? Do they pay you better than the Russians?

    • Replies: @Andre Vltchek
  76. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You need to work on your propaganda technique, bud. This is, frankly, embarrassing.

  77. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    “since there is no culture in China. Traditional Chinese culture is in taiwan and Hong Kong…and Japan…”
    That’s fucking joke–Just what’s Chinese culture besides:
    a)Secularism: A very good example is that both Jesus and Confucius had parentage issue. Christians claim Jesus is Son of God while ANCIENT Chinese history record tell us Confucius was a bastard(illegit)
    b)Language.
    c)Strong sense of historical lineage–Chinese started writing history quite early and the average Chinese hi-school grads can read ancient text albeit with some difficulty. Chinese can communicate with the distant past readily but it doesn’t mean restorationism
    d)observing certain festivals or customs.
    ……………
    –English is not Chinese but English is one of 2 official languages in HK though the english proficiency of the average HKers is quite low considered it’s an ex-british colony and HK is a developed city).My experience told me the average female English teachers there can’t date or flirt in English. Even the more westernized HKers don’t speak in English to their kins. It’s basically bastardized language policy
    –A major Japanese cultural export is porn or porn videos; you call it traditional Chinese culture?
    ……………..
    I can understand your motive(or stupidity)behind such claim. Let me rephrase your claim
    The yanks must ” gets a PR remake, recultivate its culture and export it like old South Africa does.” like–
    1)Bring back the slavery
    2)Criminalise homosexuality

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  78. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Element59

    an unusually high and innate deference to authority

    I wouldn’t put it that way. It’s possible that they’re slightly less individualistic but that’s not the same. People around the world will be happy with their authority if it offers hope and real progress (even if it’s slow).

    Needless to say, most authorities in the West are bankrupt in terms of credibility after decades of mismanagement, regression and outright treason. An average Westerner is worse off in virtually every way than their parents/grandparents. They have every reason to dislike their “leaders” which is reflected in the rise of populism and the plunging popularity of (((globalist))) commissars. Luckily, no amount of propaganda and oppression will be able to stop this process.

  79. Lin says:

    Let me repost some data here:
    Norminal Chinese(main land)GDP increased from US$o.99 trillion in 1999 to US$10.3 trillion in 2014, an increase of over 10 times within 15 years. Such a big jump was result of 1)very faster growth compounded 2)Inflation 3)Currency appreciation 4)2 GDP calculation methodology adjustment at 16% and 6% if I remember right.
    ……….
    Overall china is a developing country but some data are encouraging like electricity generation/capita has likely exceed that of UK

  80. China quickly becoming a combination of 1984/Brave New World dystopian worlds. Sad to say the West is not far behind.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  81. @Priss Factor

    Sometimes you have to leave a piece of skin in the trap you got stuck in to free yourself. That last famine was exactly that. Great push to free oneself. Fyi, Russia was going through never ending famines for some 200 years prior to Soviet power yet, you never read about this. Soviet union growth under Lenin stalin is unparalleled. Unfortunately the road taken by those two was abandoned.

  82. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    “They are lower caste Chinese whose ancestors were coolie and janitors, who couldn’t make it ”
    Look, Chinamanji the hindutwadis, there’s no such thing as caste system in china. You basically exposed who you’re. My family is a very good example; I have relatives who are senior executives(health care, finance…) and also some whose lifestyle not too different from ghetto minorities in US.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  83. China is an enemy and should not be underestimated. They should be genocided until they stop eating dogs and cats.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Che Guava
  84. Lin says:
    @onebornfree

    FaLun gong honcho can also resist gravity and fly
    https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/237179-falun-gong-leader-who-can-fly-pleads-guilty/
    He also claimed the celeb magician David Copperfield’s magic is real:
    https://asia.nikkei.com/NAR/Articles/Falun-Gong-battle-moves-to-US-court
    “Among the “irrational beliefs” he cited were claims made by Li Hongzhi, the Falun Gong’s U.S.-based founder, that aliens had introduced computers and airplanes to human society and that he could levitate — a power also claimed by the celebrity magician David Copperfield…”

  85. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    As a Christian of alternative conviction, I luv the followings very much:
    ” It gives white people great pleasure to conjure up the image of the decrepit Chinese are on brink of starvation and on kowtowing for help. Telling them starving Chinese is a fantasy is like telling a kid Santa don’t exist…”
    Pls go ahead and propagate the above.

  86. Arioch says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    Actually not, there were reasons like Western powers demanding grain from USSR and actively refusing other forms of payment. Of course, TODAY they picture it as USSR crime, when USSR sometimes surrendered to THEIR OWN demands. Well, it is like rapists like to call their victims whores to justify their crimes in their own eyes.

    But those were exacerbating, rather than causing. Famines were regular in tsarist Russia, and they were re-occurring more and more often. Due to social and technological issues (and climate too), that precluded peasantry from self-sustaining agriculture loops.

    The so-called Great Famine is “Great” and “Famous” for one single reason: it was THE LAST famine in Russia/USSR. It was a stop-mark for a long and seemingly persistent trait. That was stopped once and forever in 1932.

  87. IM says:
    @Cyrano

    Your basically highlighting the difference between REAL leftism and this bullshit moralism that was conjured up in response to growing global outrage at the atrocities of Dubya and Co. As they began to see the world rising up in oposition to the wars in the middle east, and rapeing of the planet, the ruling class of the west understood they needed to deploy an idelogical weapon in order to, among other things, regain the moral high ground and vis a vis the rest of ther world adn find a new source of justification for their exterminism in the ME, as basically spreading democracy and freedum n sheeet was starting to wear thin.

    The main thing to understand is that moralism IS NOT leftism. Nor is it necicarily right wing. It’s basically religion in one form or another. So they took ideas that were previously right wing libertarian ideas that emancipated people from an oppresive religous structure, and basically formed a new oppresive religious structure around it. Basically Libertarianism allowed the Christian and homosexual to each exist as they wished without harming others while Liberalism formed a religous structure around the later while persecuting the former.

    From what i understand REAL Leftism is based around ethics as opposed to morality. A REAL Leftist would be concerned with things like the rapacious monetary system, corrupt pharmeceutical companies and GMOs vs organic food etc… These are ethical issues and are the domain of the REAL left that actually was gaining traction a few years back.

    From what i can see this Liberal degeneratism was actually designed to destroy the real left as this is the primary constituency that’s been corrupted. The reactionary rightwing elements have been greatly invigorated however to a MASSIVE extent, atleast in the US real leftism has died out. To best illustrate the shift look at the intro to Michael Moores ‘TV Nation’ where at the begining of every episode he takes a good swipe at the private media ownership and contrast it to the fawning worship of the media today.

    One thing to note is that real leftism seems to be on the rise with the likes of the Yellow vests and whatnot so this is heartening.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  88. Jake says:

    The opening of this article is almost as funny as the same thing written by Neocons about Neocon successes and how they are loved,

  89. But the better China becomes, the more it cares about its people, as well as people all over the world, the harder it gets attacked.

    Same thing happened to Nazi Germany.

    And the truly fascist states called them fascists and crushed, humiliated, and continue to enslave and drain them and us.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Anon
  90. @Google

    If you want to see real slums, go to Philippines and Indonesia.

    Why go that far? If he’s a ‘Merkin, he probably has a slum as near as his backyard or at most, a short drive.

  91. Jake says:
    @Alden

    Because the Anglo-Zionist Empire’s rulers want as many non-whites as possible in order to better destroy the white middle and working classes. And the Chinese see profit in that for China.

  92. @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Add Tibetans, Christians and followers of Falun Gong (whose organs are harvested on an industrial scale) to the mix, and you will have forced the Andre Vltcheks and Godfree Roberts of this world to “explain” something. These people have a cult-like admiration for China which forces them to deny any imperfection to their imagined Utopia. They deny even any wrongdoing by genocidal Mao Zedong and his catastrophal “Great Leap Forward” and his barbarous “Cultural Revolution”. No, China = Utopia, therefore China can do no wrong!

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @peterAUS
  93. @Colin Wright

    That is the “what next” compaint from the west the author is asking about: social and weath inequality.

  94. @Andre Vltchek

    Intellectual degeneracy in the West is becoming laughable.

    I hit the “agree” button, but said degeneracy is not so much laughable (even in a sardonic sense) as abominable. And it’s not becoming, it’s progressively worsening. Furthermore, it’s only one aspect of the degeneracy.

  95. neutral says:

    Very simply it has to do with China being run by Chinese, for the jew this is unacceptable. All the anti China propaganda exists because of this, if Xi was cuck like a lot of other politicians then nobody would made be to think about China.

  96. It’s all so tiresome.

  97. This author is obnoxious for accusing those who diagree with him of being paid bots and shills on somebody’s payroll. As if? Would have made a great commissaire in the old USSR during purges accusing dissidents of being paid agents of foreign fascist and Nazi powers.

    Good luck to the Chinese and I wish them the best. The only problem I see with China, for me at least, is that it’s full of Chinese. But they don’t see it as a problem and good on them. If only the western countries had the same problem. I don’t mean being full of Chinese but full of their own people only or mostly, or to the same percentage that China has allowed foreigners to settle and multiply in their own country. If only?

    • Replies: @JGR
    , @Anon
  98. @Erebus

    In fact, the West got punked by China just as the US were recently punked by Venezuela.

    It’s clear to me that Stalin did a masterful job of punking the goons as well, and good on him for that!

    All that’s left to them is the last act of every elite in history, namely loot what’s left of the nation/empire.

    You nailed it.

  99. JNDillard says:

    An impressive amount of stupidity in the responses to this essay. Obviously it has hit a nerve. My guess is that applauding the accomplishments of China is a frontal attack not just on Western ideology, which attacks on communism were meant to deflect, but on fundamental Western self-image. Of course, when our sense of identity is attacked most of us go into cognitive dissonance and do whatever we can to reduce it. No repression, denial, or counterattack, no matter how irrational or self-destructive, is unwarranted, so strong is our attachment to a deficient and delusional self-image that we have worked so hard and long to cultivate and protect. Mr. Vltchek and Mr Roberts, please keep up the good work. You are educating me, and I appreciate it.

    • Replies: @JGR
    , @TKK
  100. @Chinaman

    Chinese in Hong Kong and SE Asia are just as uncultured and rude and spit in lifts, hallways and restaurants and can be loud, obnoxious and arrogant. In the old days when Hong Kong was under British rule I found Hong Kongers to be about the rudest people on the planet and far worse than mainland Chinese of those days.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Anonymous
  101. IM says:
    @Colin Wright

    Well being in literal sense ruled by people with more money is not the operative factor here. It’s easy to point and say look! government of billionaires! plutocracy evil! But the question is the extent to which these people displace the legitimate interests of the Chinese population with the interest of their class, peers, co-conspirators etc… So do these billionaires in power act for their own gain as opposed to the gain of the nation as a whole? Did they buy their position with their wealth or is it out of recognition for their accomplishments. That also leaves the question of how exactly did they obtain their wealth, hopefully not in finance.

    I don’t really have the answer to these questions and i’m not asserting a position either way. I just feel that it’s necisary to look at the position from an ethical and moral perspective rather than seeing poor people in government as an ends in itself and rich as people as evil.

    However one thing i will assert is that having a billionaire in government and directly accountable to the power structure is actually preferable a stooge or someone beholden to the said billionaire as this provides greater accountability.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  102. IM says:
    @Erebus

    Good post and very eloquent.

  103. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antoine

    Some of them are even cheering for you as way to purificate the western world as the only external force capable of acelerating its collapse so a more worthy europe can be rebuilt afterward .

    Very true and I’m definitely in that camp. My loyalties certainly don’t lie with the current globalist traitors in charge of my European homeland.

  104. Vltchek means little wolf.
    Well?
    It figures.

    • Replies: @Anon
  105. @Priss Factor

    Absolutely. Or all those murdered and starved in the good ole USSR, 66 million if Alexander Solzhenytsin is to be believed. Exterminate millions and the per capita wealth and income of those remaining alive automatically rises. A good get rich quick scheme for any nation.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  106. Moi says:
    @anon

    Your comment proves the truth of this article.

  107. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    This racism, built on the myth of white “high IQ” superiority and “scientific racism”, is getting its teeth kicked down its throat by China, and said racists are squealing like stuck pigs.

    Those white “racists” know and fully accept that the Chinese people have a very high average IQ. Only the dumb, brown/black trash like you are squealing.

  108. Lin says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Add Tibetans, Christians and followers of Falun Gong (whose organs are harvested on an industrial scale) to the mix, and you will have forced the Andre Vltcheks and Godfree Roberts of this world to “explain” something…’
    –I’m a Christian myself.
    Psalm 36.6:”The words of their mouths are wicked and deceitful…”
    –The overwhelming majority of Tibetans in Tibet are merging with the Chinese mainstream and they’re very happy with the financial subsidies provided by the Beijing govt.
    —Organ harvesting on an industrial scale? Do you know what ‘industrial scale’ means?
    When it comes to anti-Chinese propaganda, it certainly is of ‘industrial scale’

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  109. First let’s establish the correct premise. China is hated by the Western Globalist Elites, because China refuses to dance to the central bankers’ tune. So in turn the globalists carpet bomb its own populace with negative media regarding China. Normies otherwise wouldn’t likely care about China one way or the other.

    Second, the author dances around but largely fails to identify the primary reason for China’s recent achievements as well as its thousands of years existence: It possesses a homogeneous population that isn’t hated by its government who all share a similar vision for their prosperity. THAT is the real lesson for western whites trying to understand why their societies are crumbling.

    And lastly, this article beclowns itself with the gratuitous over the top praise and graciousness of China itself. We are talking about people who have a thriving recycled sewer fat market and were skinning political dissidents alive in the public square not 100 years ago, etc, etc. But then seeing as the author is clearly a communist with proud references to Noam I’m-a-Commie-But-I-Own-Four-Houses Chomsky, what does one really expect?

    • Replies: @Anon
  110. @Lin

    Having “irrational” beliefs is no crime and doesn’t warrant persecution. In a way all religious beliefs contain elements that could be called “irrational”, but if one accepts the principle of religious freedom, then the state should not interfere with any religious belief or practice as long as it does not lead to immoral conduct. I suspect the Chinese Communist Party persecutes Falun Gong because it is more popular than itself, and it cannot accept the idea that there is a part of the human mind that escapes their attempt at total control, which is clearly their aim (see comment nr. 80). It has to be seen if China will develop into a kind of Utopia or Dystopia. I have mixed feelings about that.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Commentator Mike
  111. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    and what does rozumov means ? sounds tatar ……

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
  112. @IM

    How they got their wealth and positions in the power hierarchy? Corruption mostly. Hard work? All Chinese work hard, even the poorest.

  113. @Yee

    “If America was half as socialist as China, i.e. banks, oil companies, MIC, aren’t private-owned, 90% of your country’s problems would disappear…”

    Current US demographics prevent any system from being effective. I am envious of those from places who are able to take their homogeneity for granted. 🙂

  114. Chinaman says:
    @Lin

    I am a Chinese nationalist and advocate of chinese unity. I am distraught at the struggle and discrimination that Overseas Chinese suffer everywhere. I shouldn’t have knocked my kin down in front of a bunch of whites. Hick or aristocratic castes, rich or poor, we have a common enemy. I just find some of their attitude ironic. Historically, The unit of selection have always been on the individual and family level in Chinese evolution. Someone inside always opened the gates when the barbarians was at the gate. We need a Hilter, not Mao. I am from Hong Kong and I see how white people divide us by giving us identities that don’t exist. We are experiencing a Chinese renaissance now. We should embrace our roots. No matter where we live.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @JGR
    , @Anon
  115. GMC says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    I have a question Andre’ – Vietnam has a Rothschilds Central bank after all these wars against the French, Americans Cambodians etc and has a ” Communist Gov.”. Is the Eurasian Central Banks set up with more class than the Western ones – or what?. Spacibo

  116. Chinaman says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Hi If a white guy like you wants to start on hygiene. I will start by saying that Civilization starts with mopping your ass and Chinese invented toilet paper. I don’t know what white people used before that beside their fingers. As to the unruly behavior, spitting and commotion whenever you are around, I believe it is your offensive body odor ( just a little bit better than Indians and black) which lead them to spit at you and to make comments to each other about the stench.

  117. Marcus says:

    In some ways I’m happy for them becoming a sort of autonomous power and being (sort of) socially conservative, but they still have a very heartless culture due to traditions being crushed by Maoism. I’m skeptical they can undergo a real cultural regeneration under a communist (if not in economic policy) leadership)
    https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2147778/saving-rhinos-africas-fight-against-chinese
    https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/20/world/asia/china-toddler-dead/index.html

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  118. What is the USA Chinese population?
    Growing, static, declining?

    • Replies: @Anon
  119. JGR says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    This comment is just ridiculous. China was closed to the West during Mao’s reign and the USSR has nothing to do with Chinese history. Get a clue.

  120. Marcus says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I’m mostly happy for them raising many citizens out of poverty, but let’s not exaggerate, they’re doing quite a bit of underhanded shit, blatant copies, theft of trade secrets, etc. Meanwhile they’re helping destroy the earth more than anyone else arguably. As usual, Mr. Vitchek’s communist governments rape the world
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/22/ozone-layer-china-emitting-banned-cfcs/3767724002/
    https://www.scmp.com/article/1711744/china-produces-about-third-plastic-waste-polluting-worlds-oceans-says-report

  121. @Lin

    Maybe watching this film will change your mind :

    Here is an introduction to that film : Wikipedia : Human Harvest (film).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Harvest(film)

    Quote from the article :

    “In 2015 the Communist Party of China said it would stop harvesting the organs of executed prisoners, an announcement about which the filmmaker Lee is skeptical.[1]”

    So at least the Chinese Communist Party admitted that they harvested organs…

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @last straw
  122. Lin says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Having “irrational” beliefs is no crime and doesn’t warrant persecution.”
    If that irrationality means sick falun goners were forced by their honchos not to seek regular medical help but instead resort only to their ‘meditation cure’, it was serious abuse.
    …..

    Similiar with the raid on the Waco Davidian branch.

  123. Marcus says:
    @Chinaman

    Spitting used to be very common in the US, there were spittoons everywhere. That said, Chinese tourists have an awful reputation overall, some of it may be unfair, but I think it’s due to Maoism having eliminated any social mores.

  124. China’s development is because of the opening up of Chinas slave labor to the US industries by David Rockerfeller and the subsequent moving of American industry to China and the decline of the US industry and the loss of jobs and the middle class, in other words modern China was made in America.

  125. JGR says:
    @JNDillard

    You are not being educated, you’re being fleeced. I have no blind deceptions about the West and I have no blind deceptions about China. I’ve lived a long time on both sides and know shit from a shine.

  126. Chinaman says:
    @Alden

    They probably deserve to be there more than you do. Their ancestors work their ass off during the gold rush and build the railroads. As usual, whitie got jealous and resorted to violence and discrimatory laws. As to those fresh of the boat, Hollywood should start making movies based in reality. The homeless tranny instead captain america. I guarantee they will stop coming.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Anonymous
    , @Antoine
    , @Alden
  127. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    IQ88 @ CMF, pls stop your BS. Yes you’ve lost your cross of iron; pls make do with a cross of plastic

    Jesus crucifix dildo

  128. Biff says:
    @Chinaman

    Chinese invented toilet paper.

    And the barbarians still use it. Twenty years ago I evolved into using the bum-gun bidit or the Japanese master throne – complete with wash/blow dry/powder. Higher standards baby!

  129. JGR says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The author is guilty of being a Chinese shill, nothing more. Sure, they have an iron grip on foreigners in the country as we in the US don’t. The Chinese government still clings to the idea that China is the “middle kingdom”, the center of the earth. The Chinese name for their country is “Zhong Guo” which means central country. They’ll steal our ideas and call it they’re own and advance their technology but try to get them to think in a linear fashion and you’re out of luck.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @albionrevisited
  130. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    Yes, one of the heroes of Stalingrad, Vasily Chuikov, had been an advisor to Chiang before the war. Also Jews played a large role in establishing Maoism.

    • Agree: Malla
  131. Lin says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    You’re talking about something quite different.
    The falun goners claim the Chinese govt harvest the organs of their followers alive.
    It might or might not be ethnical to use organs of executed prisoners to save the lives of others.
    ..
    ‘Meditation’ is a way to bio-synthesize brain ‘morphine’, a pain killer as well as an addictive hallucinating drugging process. Exactly why many practitioners of transcendental meditation claim they can levitate.

  132. Marcus says:
    @Chinaman

    The Chinese played a large role, but most of it was done by whites. Also I don’t see how wanting decent wages is jealousy. I don’t blame the Chinese, I blame greedy capitalists who imported them to replace white workers. You might be interested to know that there was also an aborted effort to replace black sharecroppers with Chinese in the American southeast

  133. SteveK9 says:

    Much of the same could be said about Russia … although it is not completely clear to what extent its current good governance relies on one man … V. Putin.

  134. Republic says:

    This article seems a bit propagandistic , but overall the recent trends in China seem to have improved the lives of millions of Chinese.

    The Chinese BRI will invest trillions of dollars in infrastructural improvements in Eurasia,while the US has wasted trillions bombing in Asia over the years

    The Chinese elites may be corrupt, but by and large they work for the interest of their own peoples,unlike the elites in the US/Europe who have sold out their own people

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Anonymous
  135. Marcus says:
    @Republic

    That’s the most important thing, I think they’d be better abandoning all vestiges of communism, but the current philosophy of the govt seems to be a kind of secular conservatism a la the latter USSR by banning deviant sexual material, pro-natalism, etc.

  136. @Chinaman

    You’re correct that we stink to the Chinese as they stink to us, but you’re lying about spitting. I have often seen “no spitting” signs in Chinese and Malay with an illustration on walls of lifts and restaurants hardly frequented by foreigners and seen Chinese spitting out bone onto the floor while eating whether they were aware of my presence or not. About toilet paper being hygenic, muslims and Southeast Asians, who wash with water, may dispute you.

  137. Pandour says: • Website

    Andre Vltchek-just one more brain-dead Marxist who deems Noam Chomsky a genuine anti-establishment intellectual and who thinks North Korea is just great.In 2014. the UN Human Rights Commission report called North Korea a state that does not have any parallel in the contemporary world due to systematic and gross human rights violations.Numerous members of my family perished under the former communist regime in Yugoslavia.I consider the Unz Review a unique,virtually singular alternative to the prevailing mass media but the likes of Vltchek discredit your worthwile efforts.Cocktail lounge communist apologists like Vltchek have no place in the Unz Review.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Anonymous
  138. JGR says:
    @Chinaman

    Are you kidding or just horribly misinformed? Asians, mostly Chinese, win a huge percentage of enrollment positions in the top universities in America. Get your facts straight. Judging from you remarks, you’re not one of them.

  139. @Franklin Ryckaert

    They’ll harvest your organs after death in the west even if you haven’t signed up to be a donor and it will go unnoticed unless someone bothers to check. Wasn’t there long ago a Dutch doctor who was harvesting organs of the deceased who weren’t donors in a Liverpool hospital if my memory serves me right?

    About religions and sects/cults, I think a line should be drawn between the two and the latter banned or suppressed as they are socially harmful and potentially dangerous (Heaven’s Gate) but how, where, and who to draw the line I’m not sure.

  140. This is why only a right wing authoritarian dictatorship can save the west. It’s time to stripe away these “individual rights,” which have led several generations to ruin, and bring on the Imperium.

    We need work crews right out of high school to get to work fixing our infrastructure with only the top 5% being sent to college. And we should prevent people from leaving their states without exit visas (no more rootlessness) for the next 10 years. America’s great leap forward!

  141. @Lin

    So is that Made in China or Made in Israel?

  142. Lin says:
    @JGR

    The Chinese government still clings to the idea that China is the “middle kingdom”, the center of the earth. ..”
    Its misunderstanding if not outright misinformation.
    The word ‘middle kingdom’ came into being because during the formation of ancient Chinese civilisation, it was literally ‘middle kingdom’ because it had nomadic rival tribes on all 4 sides of borders.
    Ancient Chinese definitely didn’t have the geographic sense of the larger world outside to have the notion of the ‘Centre of the Earth’.

  143. @JGR

    This isn’t true. The Chinese are now overrepresented in the development of new tech. We should learn something from the Chinese and do away with our “democracy.” We need a right-wing dictatorship. Get young men to work improving our infrastructure, Eugenics, reeducation programs. Force fat baby boomers to lose weight and not wear flip-flops.

  144. JGR says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Choose your stats, look at the GDP to population ratio. Your post is silly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @PiltdownMan
  145. Cyrano says:
    @IM

    A lot of things that you said make sense, but I think the explanation of what’s happening in US and the west is much simpler. The reason why they are “concerned” about all kinds of phony, BS and totally made up and irrelevant “inequalities is because they want to tap dance around the mother of all inequalities and which they never want to touch – wealth inequality.

    That’s what real leftism has always been concerned with. The rest is all phony dealing with various “inequalities” in order to appear humane, but the real reason is to avoid dealing with the only one that really matters – wealth inequality.

    That’s why the chaotic immigration is implemented – to camouflage the unwillingness to touch the big one. By avoiding to deal with the big one, they over compensate with such important issues like gay rights (which have 0 importance) and immigration – which is elevated in importance to the top level of their overall strategy of portraying themselves as “progressive” and “liberal”. Immigration is the pillar on which their claim to fame of being “leftist” and liberal rests, it is also the most costly policy that they could have come up with, the one which will destroy their countries but will keep their pockets safe.

    • Replies: @IM
  146. I’m not sure what the purpose is of reciting China’s admittedly impressive achievements. The author is a crazed leftist and seems to think the welfare of the Chinese people should concern Westerners.

    If anything this increases Western hostility to China.

    China is not part of the Western alliance, indeed it is not Western at all or even white. By weight of its demographic heft and growing economic and military might, China is increasingly able to challenge the American empire.

    This quite naturally increases hostility towards China in the West. Indeed Chinese success is the very cause of Western hostility. If China were a failed state people would have a much more positive opinion of China. Certainly Sino-American relations were much friendlier a generation ago.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  147. JGR says:

    I just realized, after posting too much, why are we giving this idiot so much attention? He’s Pooh Bear’s bitch and nothing we can can say will change that. But there were some good remarks, thanks for that.

  148. fnn says:
    @fnn

    Here’s a fairly recent mainstream scholarly book on this subject:
    https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-Economy-Red-Army-1930-1945/dp/0275948935

    This book describes the creation of a new economy in the Soviet Union from 1930 to 1945. The Red Army defeated the Germans in World War II with equipment produced by that economy and not with masses of untrained men as has been often argued. The Soviet weapons were produced in factories designed and built under the direction of American engineers in the 1930s. Also, the Weimar Republic played a part in the creation of the Red Army by providing aviation and tank training schools and technical assistance to the developing armaments industry.

    The modern factories that defeated the Germans in WWII had their origin in the many technical agreements signed with foreign firms-mostly American, some German, and a few British, French, Swiss and others. In June 1944 Stalin told Averell Harriman that two-thirds of the large industrial enterprises in Russia were built with American technical assistance. These agreements generally called for an American company to design, build and equip a plant. The contract also often called for training Russians in its operation. The Russians then copied these plants with limited foreign assistance. The contracts included the provision of all requirements to make a plant operational: technology, patents, specifications, supervision of construction, installation of equipment, and initial operation. A complete plant included training the workers and supplying maintenance manuals in Russian. These projects were turnkey plants. The word turnkey meant that the new owner merely had to turn the key in the door, the contractor had done everything else.

  149. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Marcus

    Marcus says: “…..they still have a very heartless culture due to traditions being crushed by Maoism.”

    “There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience.” (Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx, Chapter 2)

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Marcus
  150. Marcus says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    By weight of its demographic heft and growing economic and military might,

    Their demographics are as bad or worse than the West and Japan, ROK, etc. and I don’t think they have any interest in an arms race. Their soft power is what’s important

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  151. Mike P says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Same thing happened to Nazi Germany.

    Yep. Happily for the Chinese, though, China is simply much bigger than Germany, and anyway the West has in the meantime so thoroughly been ruined by its own criminal “elites” that it is in no condition to seriously attack China.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  152. Biff says:
    @Pandour

    What’s that called when a(weak) person attacks the messenger instead of the message? ad hominem ? Or a hasbara troll? Either way you suck and are worthy of the three W’s. Wimpy, Worthless, and Weak. Never mind the off topic rant about another country. Come back when you have something to contribute.

  153. Alfa158 says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    Um, Andre; you didn’t seem to get it, Antoine was complimenting China.

    • Replies: @Gammaray
  154. Marcus says:
    @fnn

    The Japanese intervention was mostly notable for the red vermin’s sack of Nikolayevsk, massacring Japanese POWS and civilians and Russian civilians. Unfortunately, Japan (which at that time was fairly rational, not run by feuding, insane militarists as in the 1930s and to 1945) was crippled by a food shortage, otherwise they could’ve saved at least the Russian Far East from Bolshevism.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolayevsk_incident
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_riots_of_1918

  155. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous_from_SEA

    Thanks for proving my point about Chinese people being thin skin and lack introspection. Even as you agree with me about the uncouth behavior of the mainland Chinese, you still have to hit me over the head with insults like “fool”, “idiot”. Why? Because I dare speak ill of my own kind when they behave badly?

    Thanks to the PC culture, whites wouldn’t dare criticize this kind of rude behavior from the Chinese, they keep their mouths shut but keep their distance, because they are turned off by this kind of loud and rude behavior from the mainland Chinese, but they don’t know mainlanders from those who grew up here, so all are lumped together and get the blame. It is up to those of us who are aware to point out our own faults, so that we can improve.

    One major reason why the west is such an attractive destination for all is not just because of economic advancement, it’s also because of people’s behavior. Most westerners are much more polite, honest and reserved than the average mainland Chinese. When so many of them immigrate to the west, they turn the west into another unpleasant place like China.

    I never get people who immigrate to the west then get all defensive about their old culture or country. Why did they emigrate if not to get away from their own kind? (Though in the case of the mainland Chinese, 99% are probably here because they are corrupt and want to avoid jail). If China is that great and glorious, why are they here? Please move back. Otherwise, do your best to assimilate by learning English, shed the loud and rude behavior, learn some western manners, be honest and take care of your yard. When in Rome…

  156. Kirt says:

    China is certainly a powerful and advanced country populated by some very intelligent people. In purchasing power parity, its economy is now apparently larger than that of the US, but with 4 times as many people, that’s almost to be expected. But I’m not quite buying the China as paradise on earth story being promulgated here. How does one explain the phenomenon of birth tourism? Why do Chinese tiger moms come to the US to have offspring born here so that they can automatically become US citizens and eligible to go to universities here for cheaper tuition? Surely Chinese universities must be superior. And I am not aware of any trend in the opposite direction – Americans or other westerners desperately trying to acquire Chinese citizenship for their kids. In a few cases, elites may have their kids learn Mandarin, but English remains by far the most popular international language.

    • Replies: @last straw
  157. @Marcus

    They have a poor TFR, but by virtue of the sheer size of their existing population they have a larger economy (PPP) than the USA already. Since they’re only barely a middle income country and haven’t reached the technological frontier in many areas yet, their economy will only continue to grow larger than America’s.

    The CCP is obsessed with the collapse of the USSR and believes the Soviet Union was overly militarized. Thus the PRC’s military buildup is moderate and measured–but it’s still a buildup. They’re now putting more ships in the water every year than the USN is, which obviously concerns Washington (regardless of the PRC’s intent, which can’t be known).

    Their soft power is admittedly a joke for now, unless you count the useless negroes as the crazed author seems to place great importance on. But Washington is very concerned about the BRI, and China appears to offer an attractive model to other developing countries.

  158. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pandour

    the likes of Vltchek discredit your worthwile efforts

    This Webzine offers a wide variety of (sometimes contradictory) viewpoints so it’s up to the reader to not get his jimmies rustled over a single author. Just skip what triggers you and stop whining.

    • Replies: @Pandour
  159. Half-Jap says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    I wonder how Japan managed to get to Ukraina and slaughtered all the peasants for our glorious empire, for obvious reasons unclear to most of us unenlightened. Or destroy that fertile idyllic land we all know and love as Siberia, in which such lovely environment made for the perfect means of convincing dissidents that the Soviet way, after all, loved them and they were changed profoundly for the better, for the people. Especially Solzhenitsyn, that heretic turned lover and promoter of all Soviet.

    • Replies: @Andre Vltchek
  160. A Communist Utopia, who woulda thunk! Are we suppose to swallow this propaganda hook line and sinker? Apparently so. Anyone having even a cursory knowledge of China knows it is not a peaceful country whose elites are perpetually sacrificing and working towards national prosperity and the good of “The People”. You might as well just quote from Confucius and pretend this is how China really works.

    As far as the West having “blind hatred” for China? Most Westerners don’t have sufficient knowledge to even form an opinion of the country. In fact, I would venture to guess they don’t give a rat’s tail about China.

    Some people, including the author, are reveling in the collapse of the Western powers and they get off pointing out all of the West’s short comings. These are people who would kick someone already down. Yes, the West is collapsing, but they did have powerful and successful empires- a growth of the middle class. Now we are living in its Sunset days.

    China knows that nothing remains unchanged, and it is smart enough to note what works and what doesn’t from the West. It is enjoying an ascendancy. It will be successful, but, as others can’t seem to comprehend, a great nation can’t build an empire without blood and toil from others.

  161. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @JGR

    The stats are fine. It’s no secret that China has managed to lift hundreds of millions of its people out of poverty.

    • Replies: @Anon
  162. Half-Jap says:
    @Lin

    China has a great history of the victors recording history, and renewing the language, which the Communists did.
    Japan has gained much culturally from the mainland, and not the other way until recently. Mainland China has no culture, except connections/usefulness as a person, money and power as measures. There is no class or taste, just pragmatism. If our porn or anime appeals, so much the decadence there.
    China today is not the one even of the Ming. That was destroyed. There is no connection.
    Cultural revolution ended that connection anyways. My parents-in-law have been helpfully educated in the superiority of Communism and all other value systems and artifacts are heretical. Nobody believes in this now, but damage done. Taliban’s got nothing on the Commies.
    And so on, but blaming others is also a lack of modesty and introspection: a sign of a traumatized person.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Lin
    , @last straw
  163. IM says:
    @Cyrano

    You know the thing is equality is one thing and ethical distribution is another. This is why i find it extremly important to highlight this issue of properly distinguishing the ethical and moral aspects of the issue.

    For recieving a great deal of wealth to be ethical it’s necicary to produce intrinsic value in direct proportion to what you recieve. No matter what we do it may not be the moral thing to amass huge wealth for yourself, however your not actually doing anything wrong and in some way the whole economy is better off. This is basically what is termed ‘productive capitalism’ or basically giving as good as you get. Under such a system there will be winners and losers depending on the individuals contribution however the economy as a whole will win. Where the real problems come in is when people recieve money without actually contributing anything of tangible value. This causes a disbalance in the ratio of paper wealth to tangible goods and needs to be balanced somehow, usually via printing and inflation, which essentially drains wealth from those that produce.

    You know let’s take it as a given that we have certain modalities of behaviour instilled in us as a result of evolutionary pressure and that these modalities are fundamental and absolutely derivative of our biology. One such convention would be that of ‘self respect’, which causes us to violently react against being physically violated, or for for the sake of this discussion, enslaved. So when you provide a certain amount of productive labour and you create these goods, if somebody takes it from you without paying, (not literal sense, but without providing productive goods in return ) you are essentially being enslaved.

    This you must know on some level already, however from what i understand this push for ‘gay rights’ is among a few other things, an attempt to promote ‘sodomy’ figurative or otherwise as the standard of behaviour. Why sodomy in particular? Because this directly compromises ethics and the self respect of the participants. It really doesn’t matter if it’s consentual, as it does real damage and it’s up to you to participate. It’s an ethical issue as it involves someone else, it would only be a moral issue if someone were doing it to themselves, and of course it compromises self respect due to the physical violation involved.

    This creates the cognitive dissonance whereby people come to embrace and unethical system and what essentially a form of slavery as soemthing to be celebrated, essentially ‘it’s good to be sodomised!’. As they no longer have self respect they cannot defend their interests, there’s no longer the werewithal or the internal mechanism to respond effectivly to the deprivations against them.

    This is from what i understand behind the push for promoting these funny practices as the standard of behaviour.

    IMHO the obsession with refugees is more about the moral premise and war, however your point is still correct, though i believe main issue is basically to say that “look, look even though we destroyed their country, we’re still not fascist because we took in all these refugees!”.

    If we take it further, identity politics and ‘grievance studies’ is basically the normalisation of parasitism. So now not only bankers and corrupt politicians get something for nothing, but all the other little minorities and whatnot have adopted the mentallity of the financiere ruling class and have essentially formed an allaiance against the productive members of society. Some of which maybe quite wealthy but atleast they contribute. IMO the rise of populism and whatnot is to a good extent pushed by these ‘productive industrialists’ along with the visible middle class.

    • Replies: @Antoine
  164. @Anonymous

    Lacking introspection indeed. Look in the mirror fool.

    Here I try to explain things in a constructive manner to those who do not understand our grievances. I do it in hopes it will do some good. Maybe a mainlander may read it and learn something from our perspective, who knows?

    But look at you.
    I have met people like you, whose self-righteous hearts rise to anger when they see mainlanders do something offensive but bottle it up because it is somehow beneath them to be a productive force.
    You complain about them but don’t do anything to help bridge the gap between them and us. You draw a line and demand them to cross it or leave, instead of helping them over.
    And here you hide behind anonymity not to spread information and help others, but to spit venom all around under the guise of speaking to truth.

    What are you, if not a fool?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  165. Wally says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    You completely ignore the fact that China has the advantage of truly massive tariffs against foreign goods. Not to mention required technology transfers from foreigners as part of the Chinese laws about building foreign companies in China.

    Nice deals if they can keep them.

    However, places like the US are now starting to impose tariffs on Chinese goods, though much much less in comparison, and negotiating the end to the technology transfers.

    The great success of China, while not entirely of course, is largely dependent upon maintaining those huge advantages.

    The question is how long before those unfair advantages are eliminated.

    • Replies: @IM
    , @Sven Lystbæk
    , @Joe Wong
  166. Anon[803] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The stats are fine. It’s no secret that China has managed to lift hundreds of millions of its people out of poverty.

    Chinese people willing to work hard. But Chinese middle class grow spoiled and decadent, and that no good.

  167. This is BS Propaganda, possibly paid-for. I’ve been to China 4 times; you can’t foist these tales on me. Yes, the West is determined to ignore China’s success, but the success is due to entirely different reasons than you adduce. 1st and foremost: the 36 Stratagems, as opposed to the idiocy reigning in the West’s official weltanschauung, i.e. “democracy,” inclusion, tolerance etc. I have this pertinent paragraph in my upcoming book:

    “As the U.S. races for more “equity,” more “dreamers,” more undeserved concessions to its “minorities, more “human rights” and “Pride” parades worldwide, more trillion dollars wasted in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, and Europe and Canada engage in a similar tragicomedy with a different cast, China completes its colonization and militarization of South Sea islands, grabs bigger pieces of Antarctica, buys up the resources of Africa, corners the rare-earth metals market, makes most of the hardware self-deindustrialized America needs including even jet fighter F-35 circuit boards [by Huawei ], launches its own satellite killers in space and self-navigating ships and ray guns on ships—all with American money and technology. And above all, by refusing to take in what passes in the West for “immigrants” and “refugees” and by conducting a eugenic improvement of the Chinese people, China races to the top of the world while the West, doing the opposite, races to the bottom.”

  168. @Commentator Mike

    Or all those murdered and starved in the good ole USSR, 66 million if Alexander Solzhenytsin is to be believed.

    Alexander Solzhenytsin is not to be believed.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Parfois1
  169. @eduqa

    LOL! I wish! No, they pay nothing, unfortunately. Not like UK pays BBC correspondents for their propaganda. Or DW, or France 24. Or Voice of America. Actually, they should start paying; at least to some young independent journalists.

  170. @Half-Jap

    Japanese were burning Soviet Commissars alive in steam locomotives, in Vladivostok.

    You surely cannot be such idiot (borrowing language of Unz.com readers) to believe that if Boston collapses, it would have no effect on San Francisco. So, the same in the Soviet Union. The West was plundering European part of the Soviet Union, Czech were occupying Trans-Siberian Railway, and Japanese were terrorizing Russia’s Far East.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  171. IM says:
    @Wally

    I think those ‘advantages’ were really only advantageous while China was developing and lacked the technological peerage/ direct analogues. It’s like Frederich List said, after the country developed it’s own industry to a sufficient standard it should open up to free trade in order to enhance it’s competitiveness. The tariffs are good for the climb up, otherwise there will be reduced impetus for increasing competitiveness, although i’m not sure about this as China has fierce internal competition.

    Likewise in terms of technology they’re starting to surpass the West in key areas with their own thriving technological base, and much of what they want from the West, they have already obtained. So i’m not sure how much of an impact stoping technology transfers will have at this juncture.

    • Replies: @Wally
  172. Ron Unz says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Late last year, I went to a public lecture by a World Bank official who has spent his life studying poverty reduction in lower income countries.

    The World Bank statistics that he displayed for China were astonishing. The percentage of people living in absolute poverty, nowadays defined as cash income of less than $1.90 a day, in China is about 0.7% — down from 66% in 1990, less than thirty years ago.

    He said it is hardly discussed or noted, but this is the greatest story since the industrial revolution lifted living standards in Europe above agrarian subsistence levels, two centuries ago.

    I’d certainly agree. In fact, when I published a long article a few years ago on China’s economic rise, I noted that at that point China had astonishingly accounted for *over* 100% of the huge total worldwide reduction in poverty during the previous couple of decades. That is, the number of very poor people had actually increased by a small amount in the rest of the world, but fallen enormously in China:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    • Replies: @Willem
  173. @Jonathan Revusky

    Solzhenitsyn told the truth about the murdering zionist bolsheviks who tried to destroy Russia and now are destroying America.

  174. eah says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    You seem rather juvenile.

    It’s hard to be sure the numbers are really accurate, but comparing household income:

    Per statista.com, 2017 average income of “urban households” in China was approx $36.4k yuan — taking the exchange rate in 2017 as 6.8 yuan/USD, that’s an average income of “urban households” in China of approx $5.4k in 2017 — now, the text at statista.com is a little confusing because it uses both ‘household’ and ‘per capita’, but does not really define those two, ie in particular what the relationship is between ‘per capita’ and ‘household’ (?) — so assuming a ‘household’ consists of two incomes, doubling the result gives an average income for “urban households” in China of $10.8k.

    Detroit is pretty much a shithole city in the US — per the Census ACS (American Community Survey), median household income for Detroit (area) in 2017 was $58.4k (of course median is not the same as average, but I don’t think there are a lot of wealthy people in the Detroit area to skew the number upward).

    So maybe there aren’t “slums”, as commonly known, in urban China — but it seems to be somewhat of an apples vs oranges comparison due to the large difference in average ‘urban household’ income between the US and China.

    (An obvious flaw here is that any difference in cost of living or purchasing power is not considered — but the point is to do a rough relative comparison of urban household income in China vs the US.)

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  175. Willem says:
    @Ron Unz

    All of this is nicely explained in Branko Milanovic’ elephant chart.

    http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/959251468176687085/pdf/wps6259.pdf

    Please note that Milanovic speaks of relative increases, not absolute increases, e.g., a 100% wage increase may not be that much if your prior salary was 2 dollars a day…

    Still an interesting read…

  176. MEFOBILLS says:

    President Xi’s brainchild – BRI – is designed to lift up billions of people world-wide out of poverty, and to connect the world, instead of fragmenting it.

    VLTCHEK, the author makes above statement, and it is only partially correct.

    LaRouche was the originator of belt and road.

    https://larouchepac.com/policy/world-landbridge

    Also, the type of economy China is operating, is not of Chinese origination. It is industrial capitalism, which first came into being with Henry Carey, who was Lincoln’s economic adviser.

    American system of economy, was taken up (and lost) by other nations, including Germany, and Japan. China has copied and modified what was already known.

    Finance Capitalism, or in other words the (((bad guys))) won in WW2, and derailed history.

  177. @anon

    who cares about all those chinks anyway???

    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  178. Jeff77450 says:

    I don’t ignore or deny China’s success, I’m just acutely aware that without western investment and technology, to include over a trillion dollars in IP theft, it wouldn’t have happened anywhere near to the extent that it has.

    The other issue is “Be careful what you wish for—because you just might get it.” Military strength is a byproduct of economic strength. The West forcibly dragged Japan out of feudalism and paid a terrible price. How could a militarily powerful China possibly be a good thing for anyone? Seriously. We already know they aren’t going to use their newfound power to promote freedom & democracy, the various rights and “the liberal world order.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Herald
  179. Chinaman says:
    @Half-Jap

    Yes, that’s the conclusion I have reach. unfortunately; current culture in China is just a cheap imitation of the lost civilization of Tang\Song. Chinese culture ended when the last emperor and 100,000 courtier drowned when chased by mongols. The remnants of that glorious culture is in Japan. If I want to see Tang architecture, I goto Nara, not Xian. The mongols and manchu, then the communist corrupted everything. Nothing makes me more sad when I think about this.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @Bliss
  180. @Mike P

    IMO, if nukes doesn’t exist, there would already be a hot war between USA and China. Remember, the current govt thinks USA will only have an advantage for the next 5 to 10 years in conventional arms and ships.

    If no nukes, USA would’ve already attacked China :p. Not just the current economic warfare atm.

  181. MEFOBILLS says:
    @joeshittheragman

    who cares about all those chinks anyway???

    I do.

    I welcome our Chinese overlords: The sooner the better. China is not overwhelming the west with degeneracy and immigration.

    The west would objectively be better if managed by Russia or China. No sane person can object to my comment. The west would be objectively better if managed by the Chinese leaders.

    Neither Russia or China is a causal factor for western degeneracy or immigration of their world orcs. The problem in the West is (((internal))) with several vectors, especially the type of money we use.

    Fascism and Industrial Capitalism are closely aligned.

    In 1926 Mussolini nationalized the banks, and forced usurers and prostitutes into a special zone established for degenerates.

  182. Anonymous[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous_from_SEA

    Why is it my duty to help “bridge the gap”? I don’t know these people from jack and I don’t owe them jack. They are adults not children. I see myself as an individual and feel zero kinship towards all other ethnic Chinese no matter where I go. In fact, thanks to people like you and the commenter Chinaman, I actively avoid any and all ethnic Chinese. The few Asian friends I have are either ethnic Japanese, Korean, Filipino or Indian. I find them much more pleasant to be around. Is a white person responsible for another white person’s rude behavior? Does he have a duty to “bridge the gap”?

    The vast majority of mainland Chinese who have the means to emigrate are corrupt government officials and businessmen. They didn’t come here to learn western manners. They came to escape jail time, and to flaunt their wealth and China’s new found status, hence the boarish, nouveau riche behavior. They somehow think that their old culture is still superior, even though they are here instead of there. I left Asia precisely to get the hell away from these selfish, dishonest, money hungry, loutish people, and now they’re taking over the US.

    The response to your comment from commenter “Chinaman” speaks to exactly this kind of mentality from the mainland Chinese — belittle those who point out your flaws rather than admit those flaws and work to fix them. There is nothing anyone can do to bridge this kind of gap. These people are stuck in their ethnic pride and five thousand year old culture. They need to just stay the hell back in Asia to enjoy that corrupt, dog-eat-dog five thousand year old culture they are so proud of and stop emigrating en masse to ruin the countries that used to be nice.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @Joe Wong
  183. utu says:

    It is really hard to take seriously articles by Andre Vltchek and Godfree Roberts who are unrepentant apologists of communism of Stalin and Mao. There is something infantile about their wishful thinking and casting spells against the reality. Just close your eyes and the unpleasant reality goes away. Only a child can be so oblivious to moral issues. I wish Ron Unz found more sound writers advocating the cause of China against the MSM disinformation who would not self sabotage their own writings with communist apologia as Vltchek and Roberts do at every step.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @IM
    , @Herald
    , @Astuteobservor II
  184. Lin says:
    @Half-Jap

    “China has a great history of the victors recording history, and renewing the language, which the Communists did…”
    Honestly you don’t know what you’re talking about. First of all,we live in an info rich era,the communists simply can’t erase what are confirmed; it’s the western media that keep renewing the language. Examples abundant enough that I don’t bother to rebuke. A good example is tagging boarding schools in Xinjiang as ‘concentration camps’ to separate kids from parents. When I was a kid, I was separated from my parents everyday to attend an Anglican school and its daily 15 minutes morning Christian sermon.
    …………………
    –Regarding Chinese historiography, historians had been known for their integrity and there had been an account of a father and his 3 son,all chronologers who were sequentially executed because they insisted on recording an usurpation to the displeasure of the usurper.
    –It’s the duty of a dynasty to complete the massive history treatise on the previous dynasty it took over and more often than not, the founding emperor of the previous dynasties received good appraisal.
    –The most glaring controversy arised had to do with chronological labelling of events took place during the intertwining years. An example: suppose the last emperior of dynasty A and the founder of the dynasty B that took over ascended their thrones in the same year. So an event that took place 5 years after must be recorded as event during the 5th year of the reign of the founding emperor of dynasty B. Recording it as event during the 5th year of the reign of the last emperor of dynasty A is treason punishable by death.
    …….
    Besides history records commissioned by the emperors, there were also ‘unofficial’ history writings and half of Chinese counties also have their own records.
    …..
    “China today is not the one even of the Ming. That was destroyed. There is no connection…”
    Honestly you’re bullshitting.
    I said Chinese can communicate with the ancient past but it doesn’t mean Chinese are restorationist
    Just how well is modern UK connected to Tudor England ?
    ………..
    My appraisal on Mao tse tung:
    –His greatest mistake: He didn’t start population growth control soon enough in the 1950s and as a result china has a 1.4 billion popn today. It’ll take another century to decline to a more reasonable size
    –His greatest achievement: He dared to question the ancient past; Something neither hindus nor muslims dare to do. (Because Chinese are a secular and practical people.)
    …………..
    The past is passe,
    The future is the reality.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Half-Jap
  185. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff77450

    How could a militarily powerful China possibly be a good thing for anyone?

    It’s really simple: without Russia and China the (((globalists))) wouldn’t have any serious external opposing force so we’d be all living in a windowless NWO prison by now. They’re the good guys in this movie, believe it or not.

  186. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Organ harvest occurs in every country, so doe illegal organ trade, because there simply aren’t enough organs to meet the demand of organ transplant. This is a world wide problem. It’s a especially difficult dilemma for China, because for some reason Chinese were reluctant to donate their organs until at least a few years ago, so the government was forced to act.

  187. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER
    DSM IV – TR Criteria

    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

    (1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

    (2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

    (3) believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

    (4) requires excessive admiration

    (5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

    (6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

    (7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

    (8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

    (9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

  188. peterAUS says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    These people have a cult-like admiration for China which forces them to deny any imperfection to their imagined Utopia.

    Well, the real question is: are they for real or simply trolling for good pay?

    Takes a certain type of personality to be “real”. Cult real I mean, as these two appear to be.
    Writing this for pay is simply a normal practice today. Everwhere.

  189. IM says:
    @utu

    This isn’t really an Unz problem but a China problem. It’s their responsibility to propogate such writers.

    Pepe Escobar comes to mind as one, though i don’t know many others. Most are Russian writers but add China on.

  190. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    The DSM-5 indicates that persons with NPD usually display some or all of the following symptoms, typically without the commensurate qualities or accomplishments:[6][9]

    Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people
    Fixation on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
    Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions
    Need for continual admiration from others
    Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
    Exploitation of others to achieve personal gain
    Unwillingness to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people
    Intense envy of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them
    Constantly demeans, bullies and belittles others

  191. @Anonymous

    One major reason why the west is such an attractive destination for all is not just because of economic advancement, it’s also because of people’s behavior. Most westerners are much more polite, honest and reserved than the average mainland Chinese. When so many of them immigrate to the west, they turn the west into another unpleasant place like China.

    I doubt that’s the case. At least for Chinese, one of the major reason they emigrate to the West is to escape the fiercely competitive Chinese society. In China, a civil servant position attracts thousands of applicants. It’s not easy to get ahead in China.

    Also, how do you explain the millions of Chinese who went to Africa? Seeking business opportunities, not because people were nice there either.

  192. @Kirt

    China is certainly a powerful and advanced country populated by some very intelligent people. In purchasing power parity, its economy is now apparently larger than that of the US, but with 4 times as many people, that’s almost to be expected. But I’m not quite buying the China as paradise on earth story being promulgated here. How does one explain the phenomenon of birth tourism? Why do Chinese tiger moms come to the US to have offspring born here so that they can automatically become US citizens and eligible to go to universities here for cheaper tuition? Surely Chinese universities must be superior. And I am not aware of any trend in the opposite direction – Americans or other westerners desperately trying to acquire Chinese citizenship for their kids. In a few cases, elites may have their kids learn Mandarin, but English remains by far the most popular international language.

    China is not a paradise, nor the U.S.

    See “One third of Americans consider living abroad”.

    For some reason, East Asian countries and regions, such as South Korea and Taiwan, which are already developed, still tend to have a lot of emigrants.

  193. Herald says:
    @Jeff77450

    Roll on a strong China, both militarily and financially and thankfully we’ll soon be there.

    No doubt you are spouting your bile as your way of batting for US inc, founded on the back of horrendous native American genocide and theft of land.

    How you have the nerve to criticise China is beyond mind boggling.

  194. Anonymous[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Those sure look like slums to me. But for what it’s worth, I admire the way the Chinese government tackles the slums. A lot of western media, liberal and conservative alike, like to decry the forced removal of slum dwellers to make way for modern bldgs. I say those are crocodile tears. Good for China to aggressively modernize and remove the slums. Most other third world countries in the world do not have governments that are efficient enough to remove the slums, they only get worse. And most first world countries these days don’t have the government that will do that either, thanks to the liberal left. China will never tolerate the kind of homelessness and lawlessness we are increasingly seeing in the west.

  195. @Half-Jap

    China today is not the one even of the Ming. That was destroyed. There is no connection.
    Cultural revolution ended that connection anyways.

    This is a very commons misconception. One generation (1949-1976) removed from the three thousand year Chinese culture will not be able sever China’s ties with its past.

  196. A Texan says:

    Yes, China can do some things especially when your country is not hobbled by stupid ass political correctness and tons of ‘duh-versity’.

    The US could certainly raise its GDP by simply sending the non productive minority blacks to Africa and doing something with the vast swatch of the worthless. But that would be mean and non-PC, so we are saddled with the totally useless.

  197. @Lin

    Original reply to this comment was flushed.

    Meaning it’s Ok to put up a picture of a dildo – but making a joke in reply to the picture of a dildo is beyond the pale. Good to know.

  198. Herald says:
    @utu

    It seems you might be happy with articles damning China with faint praise, which would be highly inappropriate.

    The writer here is a full on China supporter, presumably because he sees that what China has achieved over the past fifty years or so has been absolutely astounding and is without equal in the modern world.

    Stalin has nothing to do with modern China and Mao is long gone and are not relevant players for today. Of course China has moral issues, but these pale into insignificance compared to those of the US and its ever cruder attempts to rule the world by financial and military force.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  199. @last straw

    Every generation is a link in a chain. If only one link is broken, then the whole chain is broken, no matter how long that chain is.

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @Anon
  200. Anonymous[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I agree. The rudest people I have ever met in my entire life are those in Hong Kong. They are also the most money grabbing and loutish of all Chinese. Went there once and have zero desire to ever return. Cantonese is the most hideous language ever invented. Since the Cantonese traditionally form the highest number of emigrants to the west, they are most responsible for giving the whole world the worst impression of the Chinese. But then the mainland Chinese these days aren’t much better. And I agree, the Chinese from SEA aren’t that much better either, though some who speak better English like the Singaporeans are a tad more civilized.

  201. @Herald

    The author is a full on China supporter because he hates his own civilization and race.

    Though this does not diminish China’s remarkable achievements.

    • Replies: @utu
  202. During the cold war it was said that there were three ways a country had influence; economic, military, and cultural. The Soviet Union had parity on military and was thought they might even catch up to the west economically someday, but on the third, they were hopeless. Nobody wanted to be Russian or Communist and the more repressive the USSR was, the less hip they were. I suspect the Chinese will be similar even if they do better economically. The Chinese language will only be used outside of China under limited circumstances. Musically, Film, cuisine, writing, they are not interesting. Religion, they are the ones who will be converted to monotheism. In spite of 4,000 years of culture, they are just not that impressive.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  203. @Anonymous

    Lol, I have seen spitting 15 years ago, No longer the case sinCe then. This was my experience visiting the 3 China towns in NYC.

    They still talk very loudly, but mostly older generations. A chinese friend’s father uses his cell phone like a walkie talkie :p. But he is old, I give all old people some leeway.

    I call bullshit on the chewing with mouth open part. That is just pure bullshit.

    About manners, ever visited flushing NYC China town? Only place in NYC where people queue up for buses and actually respecting the lines. About saying thanks for holding doors, even I don’t do that most of the time. isn’t it just something you are suppose to do? I hold all doors if there are people behind me. I don’t expect a thank, just something you are suppose to do.

    IMO, you emphasize mannerisms a bit much. You also put too much stock into YouTube videos. A few bad apples would always be present when the barrel is 1.3 billion in size. NYC subway has taught me that everyday.

  204. @utu

    Most of what Robert writes are OK to good. With some bad articles here or there.

    How to spot a good Robert article, when it is all data :p. His newest article on the trade war is great, all data.

  205. @Wally

    According to the World Bank the trade weighted tariffs of China was 3,8 per cent as of 2017.

    Hardly truly massive I would think.

    • Replies: @Wally
  206. Anonymous[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @last straw

    The fact remains that emigration from China is at an all time high. Something like 75% of those with net worth over US$1m said they would like to emigrate. If life is so great in China, they wouldn’t leave. And if the Chinese government is really concerned with development of China rather than just a corrupt enterprise, they would stop these people from leaving with their stolen loot to prevent large scale capital flight. But they don’t. Why? Because a) most of CCP is corrupt and many among them want to leave China themselves, and b) Xi and his high level minions delude themselves into thinking that’s how China extends its “soft power”, through immigration, by having a large diaspora that remains loyal to the motherland so they will help temper foreign hostility towards China.

    But it is a gross miscalculation. By immigrating in such large numbers, the diaspora mainland Chinese are increasingly ghettoizing, to the point where it now looks more like a hostile takeover of their new country. As an example, in the San Gabrielle valley where a lot of their diaspora congregate, they are blatantly disregarding local ordinance to have all signs in English, and are “proudly” putting up restaurant and store signs and menus only in Chinese, despite protest from other locals in the area. Sentiments against China is rising everywhere in NA, Europe, Oceania, Africa and even in SEA countries like Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines.

    China’s loutish tourists and immigrant diaspora are the biggest deterrent to China extending its soft power anywhere. If you don’t want people to think ill of you, stop invading them!

  207. Anonymous[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Plenty of poor Chinese illegals in Chinatown everywhere from NYC to CA, living 5 to a tiny apartment, working in Chinese restaurants, shops, dry cleaners, massage parlors. A couple of months back Breitbart reported that a lawyer was arrested in Chinatown for having submitted 300+ fake asylum documents on behalf of illegal Chinese migrants, claiming fake Christian/Falun Gong oppression and such. A relative of yours perhaps?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  208. SafeNow says:

    Here in S. California, I find our many immigrants from China to be smart, industrious, conscientious, decent, and lean. Also, of course, template-adhering, to a fault; but on the whole, they possess a formidable constellation of traits. (In many ways, I wish I were more like them.) If this is representative of Chinese citizens, then the West cannot match this, and so will lose.

  209. Anonymous[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    As to those fresh of the boat, Hollywood should start making movies based in reality. The homeless tranny instead captain america. I guarantee they will stop coming.

    You know the “truth”, but it still didn’t stop you from coming, then crow about the glory of China. Perhaps you should move back. Seeing their countrymen returning in droves voluntarily is probably a much better deterrent than anything Hollywood could conjure up.

  210. Anonymous[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Republic

    The Chinese elites may be corrupt, but by and large they work for the interest of their own peoples,unlike the elites in the US/Europe who have sold out their own people

    It’s been said that the difference between China and India is: in China, the corrupt government officials take the money and get the job done. In India, the corrupt government officials take the money and get nothing done.

    In the US, a lot of money goes to waste, fraud and abuse but we still get the job done, it just takes a loooooong time thanks to all the effing (((lawyers))) and red tape.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  211. utu says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    “he hates his own civilization and race…” – He is a quarter Chinese so he might be true to his race. His problem is elsewhere. The author is a real red diaper baby. His parents and his father in particular were the true believers. There is no worse true believers than Czech communist true believers who would reject their heritage and identity and move to USSR to build the communist paradise. Though at some point his father quit communism. Probably it happened after the Six-Day War when many Jewish and not only Jewish communists got upset with the USSR for its support of Arabs. So this lead to Prague Spring in Czechoslovakia and May 1968 events in France.

    [MORE]

    How I Became A Revolutionary And Internationalist:Andre Vltchek
    https://countercurrents.org/2018/12/how-i-became-a-revolutionary-and-internationalistandre-vltchek

    My mother is half Russian, half Chinese, while my father is Czech, a scientist. At the age of three I was taken to a boring, industrial city of Pilsen (Plzen) in what was then Czechoslovakia; a city also known for its beer and proximity to Bavaria.

    Then the 1968 came, and I was barely 5. Since then, there was no childhood. Since the first grade of elementary school, my life was one huge battle for survival. Between each class, several boys would come and unceremoniously beat me up, just for having Russian mother. First, I suffered in silence. Then I began fighting back. You know how racist Europeans are. I was constantly attacked not only because my mother was “Russian”; it was mainly because she had Asian features. I still remember that talk: “Look at your disgusting Asian ears, you shit”. When I played badminton in a gym, kids were pissing into my shoes during winter, and urine would turn to ice.

    My parents divorced. Their marriage collapsed. But also, their political ideas were different. My father left Communist Party of Czechoslovakia. I was getting two totally different interpretations of the political events, since I was 5. From several highly intellectual and bright individuals in my family. I had to decide what was right and wrong.

    They destroyed my childhood, but made a tough writer out of me, at a very early age.

    I have never forgiven them. In the same time, I am very grateful to them. But above all, to my grandmother, who departed some 20 years ago. I miss her, and I admire her, more and more.

    To be precise, I became a US citizen when I was in my 20’s. But I left Czechoslovakia, with the Soviet passport, when I was very young.

    […]

    I burned all bridges behind me. I needed new start.

    I always claimed that despite everything, I was a Communist. This was the time to prove it. This was the time to prove that I still had spine and balls and some heart where it was supposed to be – on the left.

    […]

    It was not just rejecting USA; I was rejecting entire West, mainly Europe. I see and always saw Europe as the root of all problems (and horrors), which the world is facing. USA is just an offspring of Europe. A vulgar, muscular version of it. But true evil essence behind this global Western colonialist project, comes from Europe. Even the most terrible crimes committed on the US territory were committed by the first and second generation of Europeans: holocaust against the indigenous people, and the introduction of slavery.

    […]

    Entire world suffered from the Western imperialism and plunder, but Africa is ‘unique’, because nowhere else in a modern history, brutality of Westerners reached such climax. Well, with the exception of Southeast Asia, perhaps.

    […]

    Asia is my home. I am Asian culturally, and some of my blood is from here.

    I love China, but I also feel very comfortable in Japan and in other countries.

    Indonesia is definitely not one of them. I do not live there, I never could; I’d rather die. I am so horrified by it, that I write about it often, and make films. I do it as a warning to the world. I am in Indonesia for totally opposite reasons than ‘love’: after 1965, this 4th most populous country on earth, was turned into one huge laboratory, by the West. Indonesia is not a country, it is a ‘concept’.

  212. Antoine says:
    @IM

    Like marquis of Sade said the elites want to trasform us in degenerate subhumans so they can rule easily over the pleb

    ….It is the policy of all those who lead a government to maintain among the citizens the highest degree of corruption; as long as the individual is gangrenous and weakened by the delights of debauchery, he will not feel the weight of his chains, and he will be able to subdue it without realizing it. Therefore, the true policy of a State is to hundredfold all possible means for the corruption of the individual. Many spectacles, a great luxury, an immensity of cabarets, brothels, a general amnesty for all crimes of licentiousness: these are the means that will subdue you men. Oh, you who want to reign over them! fear virtue in your empires, your peoples will be enlightened when it reigns, and your thrones, which rely only on vice, will soon be overthrown: the awakening of free man will be cruel to despots, and, when vice no longer entertains his leisure, he will want to dominate as you do.

    1° I establish men’s and women’s suits that leave almost totally uncovered all the parts of the lubricity, and above all the buttocks.
    2° There will be shows imitating the floral games of Rome where young people of both sexes will dance naked.
    3° The principles of the simple nature will replace those of the moral and the religion in the public schools. Every child of fifteen years, of either sex, who cannot find a lover will be defiled, disgraced before public opinion, and declared incapable of ever marrying if it is a girl, of occupying any position if it is a boy; in the absence of a lover, the young person of either sex will be obliged at least to present a certificate proving that he has prostituted himself and that he no longer possesses his first fruits.
    4° The Christian religion will be severely banished from the government; in it there will never be celebrated another feast than that of licentiousness. And the religious chains will subsist in spite of that: I need them to contain the people. What does the object of the cults matter, as long as there are priests? I will put the dagger of superstition into the hands of both Venus’ and Mary’s worshipers.

    5° The people will be kept in a slavery, in a servitude that puts them out of state to never reach the domination, the invasion or the degradation of the properties of the rich. Linked to the gleba as formerly, it will experience as it all the different changes. The penalties will fall only on him and will be imposed for the smallest faults. Its owner will have on him and his family the right of life and death, and his complaints or recriminations will never be heard. There will never be free schools for him: he does not need science to till the land; the blindfold of ignorance is made for the eyes of the farmer; he will never tear it off without danger. The first individual, of whatever kind he may be, who tries to exalt the people by advising them to break their chains will be cast out to the tigers to be devoured alive.

    6° A number of public houses of both sexes shall be opened in all the cities of the government, proportionate to the population of each city, with the gradation of one of these houses of both sexes per thousand inhabitants; each of them shall contain three hundred subjects, who shall enter there at the age of twelve not to leave until they are twenty-five. These establishments will be subsidized by the government; only individuals of free class will have the right to enter them and do there absolutely what they think best.

    7° All the so-called crimes of debauchery, such as the murder of excesses, incest, rape, sodomy, adultery, will never be punished except in the slave castes.

    8° Prizes will be granted to the most famous courtesans of the houses of debauchery, in the same way as to the young people of those same establishments who make a reputation in the art of providing pleasure. Likewise, rewards will be granted to any inventor of new lubricities, to any author of cynical books, to any libertine recognized as a professed of this order.

    9° The class of the men in slavery will exist as formerly that of the Ilotas in Lacedemonia. Since there is no difference between the slave man and the animal, why should the murder of one be punished more than the sacrifice of the other?

    (Juliette, or the prosperity of vice)

    • Replies: @IM
    , @IM
  213. Antoine says:
    @Chinaman

    Give me a break america was conqueted with european blood using european culture as guide and european institutions as a compass .

    From conquerors to pioneers to builders from a forgotten land to the first superpower of the world after the hard work and sacrifice of more than than 400 years that putt usa as the first superpower of the world.
    Its an european project from the begining to the end , the rest came when everything was already built and all the blood in the conquest, civil war , independence war and the two war words was already spilled.
    Its incredible that as a european i need to remenber my american brothers how much the latecomers are indebted to their sacrifice.

  214. Gammaray says:
    @eah

    I see people using this fallacy of saying that china has the most immigrants and thus must be a poorly functioning country hence resulting in greater immigration outflows, but in order to truly qualify this statement we have to first ask if the proportion of immigrants is a normal percentage of china’s population as a whole. A country with a population of 1.4 billion people is going to have proportionally more immigrants, no matter what. Its natural that china with the world’s greatest population would also provide the greater numbers of immigrants as well. This is an angle that I have never seen a china critic use, and for obvious reasons since it undermines their original logic

    • Replies: @eah
  215. Angling for the Duranty Award?

  216. Anon[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Google

    She’s receiving special treatment because she’s white. This is the real China:

    • Agree: Marcus
    • Replies: @Google
  217. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    We should embrace our roots. No matter where we live.

    If you want to embrace your roots, you should stay home. Don’t emigrate then crow about your roots. After all, if your old culture is that great, why did you leave? Stay home and help make it greater.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  218. Gammaray says:
    @Alfa158

    no she wasnt, her entire comment was a backhanded compliment. That much was obvious, I dont see the point in you trying to seriously argue otherwise

  219. IM says:
    @Antoine

    Ehhhhh…

    I was wide eyed while reading this. Sounds like something from the Protocalls but updated for the ‘Liberal’ era. I concur, not really sure what to say though.

    It’s kind of sureal that this was written in the late 1700’s, just a short time after the ‘Illuminati was founded and set about to destroy the conservative order.

  220. @utu

    A very sad personal story and one can feel some sympathy for the author.

    But no one has the right to be wrong.

    He is still three-quarters white and thus has no acceptable grounds to oppose his biological and cultural heritage.

    And really, Chinese being another civilized race of high quality the remaining quarter does not have valid grounds for anti-white hatred.

    It’s one thing for some babbling bantu congoid to hate whites. Quite another for the author to do so.

    • Replies: @IM
    , @utu
  221. IM says:
    @Antoine

    This Marquis de Sade, from what i’m reading of him seems to advocate such modalities, however the quote you provided from that novel makes it appear as if he’s giving political commentary in opposition to such an order similar to Orwells writing.

  222. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    This comment is 100 years premature. As of now the Chinese are still shitting all over themselves trying to get to America, by hook or by crook.

  223. Gammaray says:
    @Anonymous

    If you don’t want people to think ill of you, stop invading them!

    I dont know, the west has historically invaded lots of places and it didnt seem to hurt their reputation any

    • Replies: @Anon
  224. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    I wouldn’t crow if I were you. Huawei was practically down on their knees begging as soon as Google cut off Android from them. The fact remains China still needs America far more than America needs China, and will be for the foreseeable future. Just ask all those Chinese who are clamoring for EB5, H1B, F1, OPT, tourist or any visa they can get their hands on or just crossing in illegally from the Southern border. The Chinese dream is an American green card.

    • Replies: @frankie p
    , @Chinaman
  225. IM says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    But no one has the right to be wrong.

    He is still three-quarters white and thus has no acceptable grounds to oppose his biological and cultural heritage.

    Bleh! Why give a shit about something as arbitrary as race and whatnot. Maybe he’s like me and prefers to align himself with whoever is currently the most ethicaly aligned. That doesn’t imply hatred of your culture or whatever, it just means that he objects to the direction they’re going in and agrees with the direction of the other. Solzhniyetsins speeches come to mind.

    Supporting your nation in such a situation is more destructive as it reinforces the actions that have brought us to this point.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  226. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    But the better China becomes, the more it cares about its people, as well as people all over the world, the harder it gets attacked.

    LOL I’m sure the Chinese care as much about people all over the world as the Zionist cabal does.

  227. Wally says:
    @IM

    Nope.

    The huge tariffs against foreign goods and technology transfers are still in effect.

    Sure they have some tech capabilities, no one said otherwise, but those capabilities were certainly enabled / boosted by what they grabbed via mandated transfers.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @IM
  228. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The only problem I see with China, for me at least, is that it’s full of Chinese.

    LOL succinct and on point.

    These people will eat one another for lunch.

  229. Agent76 says:

    Jul 11, 2019 China’s Uighur detention condemned by 22 nations in letter to UN

    Ambassadors from 22 countries, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Japan, have condemned China’s treatment of Uighurs, a Muslim minority group from the Xinjiang region. In an unprecedented move, they issued a letter.

    Nov 6, 2018 Mao’s Great Famine great leap foward

    When Mao Zedong announced China’s second five-year plan, the Great Leap Forward, in 1958, it promised a Communist utopia based on collectivisation of agricultural property and production, and industrialisation where everyday citizens produced steel.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Erebus
  230. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    China is hated by the Western Globalist Elites, because China refuses to dance to the central bankers’ tune.

    Do you really think China could’ve made all these advances the last 30 years if it really refuses to dance to the tune of the western banking cabal? These people are pragmatists not idealists. They care only about what puts food on the table and how to get rich quick so they can get the hell of China before they get thrown in jail.

    China recently agreed to allow foreigners to buy A shares in the Shanghai Stock Exchange, and has now allowed foreign banks to open wholly owned subsidiaries in China, in effect opening their entire financial market to the west. They are kowtowing as much as they can. The only reason the globalists still badmouth them is because they want that communist government gone. Without “free and fair” elections, they can’t buy themselves a government that will protect their investments like in the west.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Si1ver1ock
  231. eah says:
    @Gammaray

    I see people using this fallacy of saying that china has the most immigrants

    It’s not a “fallacy” to point out that a significant number of Chinese leave China (just like they fled Hong Kong before the takeover; that’s why people now call Vancouver ‘Hongcouver’; but no one would ever give any Chinese city such an appellation because so many Whites moved there: Whites don’t move to China in large numbers) — and you mean emigrants, not immigrants: Chinese who leave China are emigrants; when they arrive in another country, they are (seen by that country as) immigrants.

    I don’t think the ‘per capita’ argument matters much (and in any case there’s no way it would be bidirectionally commensurate) to countries like eg the US, Australia, and Canada, all of which have received large (even huge) numbers of immigrants from China — there are no ‘Whitey Towns’ in Chinese cities, whereas in very many larger western cities you can find an entire area called ‘China Town’ — I remember being surprised when I found one in Dublin.

    • Replies: @Gammaray
  232. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sunshine State

    Officially 4m ethnic Chinese, unofficially probably twice that, and growing exponentially.

  233. @IM

    I don’t think you’ll find many commenters in this thread, including myself, are proponents of the current American Empire and Western world order.

    There’s a difference between opposing that and pouring venom upon whites themselves and wishing our destruction, as the author did in a previous piece.

    As to why give a shit about something as “arbitrary” as race, well obviously because it’s not arbitrary. Hence why the Chinese the author lauds also succeed all over the world.

  234. @Agent76

    Does anyone actually give a shit about China’s muslim concentration camps other than human rights faggots and American liberal imperialists?

    Actual Mohammedan governments all appear to be kowtowing to China on this issue. Saudi Arabia responsed to this letter by lauding China’s, “incredible achievements in the field of human rights”.
    Kiss the ring.

    • Replies: @Agent76
    , @Anon
  235. Wally says:
    @Sven Lystbæk

    The World Bank, using information given by the not-so-open China?
    I gotta bridge to sell you too.

    Even that questionable number is more than double the rate given for the US.

    Oops!

  236. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gammaray

    A military takeover is entirely different from an immivasion.

    • Replies: @Gammaray
  237. frankie p says:
    @Anon

    Take your head out of your ass, Asshat. Get things straight. Google and a host of US companies sent legions of lobbyists to Washington to push the Trump Administration to take Huawei off that list and allow them to resume sales to the company. Huawei has redoubled its work on its own OS for cell phones, the Chinese are going to build an infrastructure of IC design and fabrication (TSMC never stopped selling to Huawei), and with the cash and the drive, they will succeed, just as they have succeeded in building a transportation and communications infrastructure for their country and people that puts anything the west has to shame.

    It’s 2019. Wake up to the reality.

    • Replies: @Anon
  238. @Anonymous

    Doesn’t that make the USA and China one and the same? 🤣

    And China gets the job done faster.

    FYI, efficiency matters a hell of a lot.

  239. Yee says:

    Anonymous[681],

    “You know the “truth”, but it still didn’t stop you from coming, then crow about the glory of China. Perhaps you should move back. Seeing their countrymen returning in droves voluntarily is probably a much better deterrent than anything Hollywood could conjure up.”
    .

    It’s not just Hollywood, the US government also spend billions of $$$ to tell Chinese people that “China is hell, America is paradise”.

    Since neither Christianity nor Islam is likely to have that kind of budget to promote their causes, but still have managed to convert hundreds of millions, I think you should expect at least a similar success from the US. Otherwise your tax money would be wasted…

  240. utu says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    “A very sad personal story and one can feel some sympathy for the author.” – I would feel sympathy for him if he went to therapy but since he externalizes his mental problems and projects them on the world all I see is an arrested child level development. Infantile sentimentality and hysterical sensitivity that he mistakes for empathy.

  241. Would that we had more reporters like you.

  242. @JGR

    Choose your stats, look at the GDP to population ratio. Your post is silly.

    It is usually referred to as per capita GDP. It looks pretty good to me. Appreciating the unique economic growth and poverty reduction achievements of China doesn’t not mean that you have to condone any of the considerable faults of the political system, nor overlook the fact that it is nowhere near First World levels of income.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CN

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  243. @Anon

    Exchange, and has now allowed foreign banks to open wholly owned subsidiaries in China, in effect opening their entire financial market to the west.

    If that is true, they are far more stupid than they appear. But it could well be true. Michael Hudson recently let on that China is sending students to America to study economics.

    Why?

    They should be studying the policies of the people who created their economic miracle.

  244. Erebus says:
    @Agent76

    China’s Uighur detention condemned by 22 nations in letter to UN

    I wonder the extent of the overlap between the 22 and those that recognized Juan Guaidó as President of Venezuela.

  245. This is a pretty good article. I’ll probably link to it.

  246. utu says:

    serpentza: “The toughest challenge facing China isn’t a trade conflict or any other kind of outside enemy, it is a moral crisis from within…”

  247. utu says:

    serpentza: The Secret Chinese War for Your Opinion! (also about Chinese knee jerk whataboutism)

  248. Ron Unz says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It is usually referred to as per capita GDP. It looks pretty good to me. Appreciating the unique economic growth and poverty reduction achievements of China doesn’t not mean that you have to condone any of the considerable faults of the political system, nor overlook the fact that it is nowhere near First World levels of income.

    It’s also quite illuminating to compare the changes in the US and Chinese per capita GDPs over the last few decades, as displayed in a chart from my own article of a few years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

  249. utu says:

    serpentza: “If China’s so GREAT, why do so many FLEE when they have the chance?”

    Mature attitude of Hong Kong and Taiwan Chinese vs. the infantile defensiveness of mainland Chinese (6:05 min)

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  250. Vidi says:
    @Alden

    If China’s so great, why don’t you all stay home and enjoy the peace and prosperity ? Why swarm and invade California?

    Actually, Chinese overwhelmingly prefer to stay in China.

    According to Wikipedia (link), which cites the World Bank, over the five-year period from 2007 to 2012, 1.8 million people left the country. That is an emigration rate of 360,000 people per year, or 0.026 percent of the population.

    Here is China’s emigration rate compared to other countries:

    Peru: 0.159 percent of the population per year
    Phillipines: 0.146 %
    Mexico: 0.086 %
    China: 0.026 %

    China has so many people that even a small percentage seems large in absolute number.

    • Replies: @Alden
  251. EldnahYm says:
    @utu

    Not that it’s important, but his grandfather doesn’t look 100% Chinese to me.

  252. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I would think that culture development is continuous and not so easily broken like a metal chain.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  253. Agent76 says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Einstein nailed it here, “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  254. Agent76 says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    You got it Read! Dec 19, 2015 Sesame Credit: China’s Creepy New Social Engineering Experiment

    Coming soon to a New World Order near you: social credit! Earn points by behaving like the government wants you to behave! Get penalized if you don’t act like a doubleplusgood citizen! What could be more fun? Join me for today’s Thought For The Day as we discuss China’s new Sesame Credit system and the gamification of your enslavement.

    • Replies: @Malla
  255. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Religion, they are the ones who will be converted to monotheism.

    The godless money-worshipping Chinese converting to “monotheism”? Sounds absurd at first.

    But then, which “monotheism” are you referring to? The pseudo kind, the “monotheism” which passes off 3 divine persons as 1 “god”? That “monotheism”?

    As long as this so-called “monotheism” allows the consumption of the filthy swine, alcoholic beverages, usury, immodesty, “saint” hyper-veneration (their ancestors can conveniently become “saints”), etc., I am sure more and more of those Chinese hordes will be converting to “monotheism,” in the coming decades. A giant boost for “monotheism.”

  256. @Anonymous

    Agreed except the statement that most mainland Chinese who immigrate to the USA do so to escape punishment for corruption.

    We are with foreign-born and American-born Chinese constantly because we live by LA Chinatown and our children attend a Mandarin-immersion school. We meet and see and now know many foreign-born Chinese who appear not to be well off financially at all. These people had no power and no money in China, hence certainly weren’t fleeing the consequences of their own corruption.

    I would not have allowed any of these people to settle here, and I would sure as Hell abolish chain migration (“family reunification”) and birthright citizenship. (Instead, i would offer only long-term residency to people to live here while teaching their language to American kids (who badly need to know more languages and much better) — NEVER citizenship and NEVER the right to own land here.

    But we don’t need to invent falsehoods about the immigrants to just honestly say we don’t want them and much of their culture here. Rich or poor, corrupt or not, we should not let large numbers of Chinese or any other nonEuropeans get us citizenship. A small number of people through H1Bs for truly exceptional rare talent — a small fraction of our current h1b’s — or through marriage to native-born us citizens, that’s all we should let in for settlement.

  257. @anon

    And you believe the mass media. You dumb cluck.

  258. @utu

    Holy shit, you use serpentza as a source to understand China.

    I am just curious, what makes him appeal to you as a source? ←_←

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Republic
  259. @eah

    You liar, damned liar, statistician.

  260. @Andre Vltchek

    Our extensive experience with foreign-born Chinese over the years here in L.A. is largely consistent with his comments. Of course with variation and exceptions.

    Who should we believe, our own eyes and ears, or you?

  261. Gammaray says:
    @eah

    I see people using this fallacy of saying that china has the most immigrants

    This is what I actually wrote:

    I see people using this fallacy of saying that china has the most immigrants

    and thus must be a poorly functioning country hence resulting in greater immigration outflows

    None of what you were saying is applicable since you were trying to debunk a snippet that was taken out of context of what I was originally saying. Why resort to sleight of hand and misrepresentations such as this?

    and you mean emigrants, not immigrants:

    My usage of the word immigrants is quite clear when you read it within the context of what I wrote. In no way does my possible misusage of the word immigrant obscure the meaning I was trying to convey. The fact that you want to nitpick over semantics reflects more poorly on you than it does on me though. Once again, things like this strongly suggests that your position is not strong enough and as such you will look for anything to discredit me since you lack substantial arguments to do so with.

    I don’t think the ‘per capita’ argument matters much (and in any case there’s no way it would be bidirectionally commensurate) to countries like eg the US, Australia, and Canada, all of which have received large (even huge) numbers of immigrants from China — there are no ‘Whitey Towns’ in Chinese cities, whereas in very many larger western cities you can find an entire area called ‘China Town’ — I remember being surprised when I found one in Dublin.

    You cant disprove it so you just resort to handwaving instead. You do have some potentially valid points, but they are not points which disprove my original argument, which is that china having one of the largest populations in the world is going to supply a proportionately large supply of immigrants as well. The point im making is not mutually exclusive with the points that you are trying to make.

  262. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lin

    Because Chinese are a secular and practical people.

    The Chinese are a godless people. In that lies their ultimate doom… The “great” Mao tse tung has been made aware of this by now.

    The past is passe,
    The future is the reality.

    The past is mostly irrelevant,
    The present is the reality,
    The future is unknown.

  263. @last straw

    You need only one generation not to transmit its culture to its progeny to stop the flow of culture.

    • Replies: @Alden
  264. @anonymous

    Well, the monotheism of Islam has not much chance to become popular in China. Ask the Uyghurs in their “re-education” camps !

  265. Gammaray says:
    @Anon

    lol that’s cute. Actually a military takeover would look worse than a large influx of peaceful immigrants. The fact that the west was able to stage countless military takeovers and population replacement programs in foreign territories for centuries and still come out of it looking relatively good on the world stage bodes well for the chinese whose peaceful “immigration crimes” are of many magnitudes less violent and disruptive than the european conquerors’ crimes of relatively recent history.

  266. China’s tweeking capitalism to infuse communist policies has made all the difference,

  267. @Anonymous

    The fact remains that emigration from China is at an all time high. Something like 75% of those with net worth over US$1m said they would like to emigrate. If life is so great in China, they wouldn’t leave.

    First of all, emigration is a somewhat lousy indicator of a country’s developmental status. Some developed countries in Europe and richer countries in South America have far more emigration than China, even if you take the post 2008 financial difficulties into account. See “List of countries by net migration rate”. Click on the heading of the last column of the first table (countries and territories) to sort the countries according to net immigration, and you will see.

    Secondly, who are these Chinese millionaires? Maybe some real entrepreneurs, surely a lot of shady businessmen, practitioners of crony capitalism, and corrupt officials, certainly few scientists, engineers, healthcare works, and educators that China truly needs. I say let them all leave.

    And if the Chinese government is really concerned with development of China rather than just a corrupt enterprise, they would stop these people from leaving with their stolen loot to prevent large scale capital flight. But they don’t. Why? Because a) most of CCP is corrupt and many among them want to leave China themselves,

    I see the Chinese government just cannot do the right thing. If they did not allow immigration, they would be accused of restricting basic human rights. If they do, they are blamed for allowing corrupt officials to escape with their ill-gotten gains.

    Xi and his high level minions delude themselves into thinking that’s how China extends its “soft power”, through immigration, by having a large diaspora that remains loyal to the motherland so they will help temper foreign hostility towards China.

    This is not entirely unreasonable from Chinese government’s point of view. Although I suspect their main purpose is to have Western-educated Chinese scholars and entrepreneurs contribute more to China’s development.

  268. Alden says:
    @Vidi

    Repeat, if Chinas so great why have they swarmed to California? They probably have the same reasons Mexicans swarm to America; no pensions for old people, lack of education for the masses, low wages poor work conditions corruption.

    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @Anon
  269. Biff says:
    @Anonymous

    Most westerners are much more polite,

    Wow! Haven’t seen such an inversion of reality like that in a while. A lot of places are noted for their rudeness – France, England, and especially the east coast of USA, but I’ve never seen east Asia make the list.

    Countries with the most road rage(east Asia doesn’t make the list)
    https://www.tesh.com/articles/worst-road-rage-in-the-world/

    • Replies: @Republic
  270. Chinaman says:
    @Anon

    I think The Chinese dream is just getting away from China. I am from Hong Kong by the way. I started a quant hedge fund in NY and could have easily gotten a green card, never stupid enough to even consider this because of global tax and I hate living in America. I honestly don’t know why people want to immigrate to America, it is a really a living hell for me. Japan, Switzerland, I could understand.

    • Replies: @Alden
  271. Alden says:
    @Chinaman

    Fuck you you piece of Chinese supremacist shit. I have more right to be in America or California than any Chinese including the Gold Rush and Tailing rebellion descendants.

    I happen to be a direct descendant of the man who funded the Mayflower and the Plymouth Colony. My family’s been in America since December 1620.

    My and my husband’s California ancestors arrived in California a few years before the gold rush and the Gold Rush Chinese. We were gold miners, builders blasters in the Carson City silver mines, cane down from the mountains and starred building San Francisco. We survived the 1906 earthquake and fire and rebuilt the city.

    We helped build the Bay Golden Gate and Richmond Bridges and just finished the Sales Force Tower, tallest building west of the Missouri Mississippi.

    How dare you tell me the new comer Chinese just in from the airport have more right to be in California than we do you ignorant piece of shit?

    For your information Re: the railroad workers. The only reason capitalist pig exploiter of the worker Leland Stanford brought Chinese in to build his section of the railroad is that the Chinese working man was so poor, oppressed and degraded by the Chinese capitalist pig exploiters of the worker that they were happy to work for a place to put their bedroll and 2 meager meals a day.

    Stanford’s Chinese workers built a mere 700 miles, Oakland to Prospect Point Utah. White men built the rest.

    The first Chinese who arrived en masses in California were the 1830s refugees from the Taiping civil war. You’ve probably never heard of it, but it was one of the worst wars in history, 25 million dead between the insane leader of the rebellion and the Imperial troops.

    San Francisco’s been a big refugee camp of Chinese since the 1830s. It got worse in 1948 as Chinese fled their glorious communist revolution. It’s been going on ever since as Chinese run from China to America.

    How dare you tell me Chinese have more right to be in California than I do you piece of shit? Your attack just displays your ignorance, hatred of Americans and Chinese chauvinism.

    Repeat, if China’s so great why don’t they stay in China instead of swarming all over SE Asia and California.

    For your and everyone’s information, the exploiters of the workers capitalist pigs of Silicon Valley don’t hire barely competent Indian and Chinese coders because of their superior skills. They hire them because they are cheap labor happy to work 80 hours a week for 40 hours wages and live 20 people in a small 3 bedroom house.

    Since Leland Stanford’s railroad workers to the Silicon Valley tech workers, the Chinese workers are just exploited victims of the capitalist pigs your glorious revolution was supposed to destroy.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Chinaman
  272. Alden says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    California Chinese and Japanese have preserved their culture, customs seasonal religious festivals some language and married each other to preserve ethnic purity since the Gold Rush. That’s a long long time for a few people in a sea of Whites.

    It took a little effort, after school Chinese cultural and language lessons separate churches social clubs but they did it.

  273. Chinaman says:
    @Anon

    Duh…I live in Hong Kong. Don’t be presumptuous. No 1% in the world wants to live in America. We live in tax heavens like Monaco or Hong Kong where everything is better, even the burgers and steaks. Those who have the resources and are well travel will never voluntarily choose to live in America. I have discussed this with a many other high net worths Europeans and Asians. I have everything I need here don’t worry, I will never step foot in that shithole America again.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @AaronB
  274. Alden says:
    @Chinaman

    Yeah yeah yeah so you run your NYC quant hedge fund from somewhere in the world?

  275. Vidi says:
    @Alden

    Repeat, if Chinas so great why have they swarmed to California?

    What seems like “swarming” to you is actually only a tiny trickle, as I proved in my previous comment. Why don’t you deal with reality, not your paranoid fantasies?

  276. Mr. Wales says:

    This essay is complete and utter nonsense.

    China’s “humane” social policies?

    China helping Africans break free from the grip of neo colonialists?

    What planet are you from?

    There is one social policy. The social credit system. Chinese citizens will say they love it….. out of fear. To speak out against this insane system of social engineering will result in swift retribution. Readers interested in China’s social credit system can do their own reading.

    The Chinese are the neo colonialists in Africa. The Chinese are saddling African nations with impossible to pay back loans. These loans are defaulted on at a great rate. The Chinese are receiving land and infrastructure as collateral. They are racist to the core and hate black Africans, only employing them for the most menial tasks.

    Chinese presence in Africa is a driving force behind Africans fleeing to Europe. They are making it intolerable. Vice President Pence spoke about this briefly a few months ago.

    In regards to your statement about the Chinese government eliminating “extreme poverty” all I can say is yeah right.

    Oh, and China is so clean compared to the United States! No shit buddy. Everything is newly built.

    So what if they have high speed rail? It’s easy to construct when the infrastructure is in it’s adolescent phase. We are beyond this stage. Besides, who really needs high speed rail? I’m sure you have a boner for it, but it isn’t a necessity.

    One more thing. The reason you won’t see pics of beggars and homeless people on the streets of China is because anyone caught photographing them would be locked away in prison. The Chinese are scared to fart too loud while taking a shit in their own apartment for fear it will go against their social credit score. So it’s no surprise you won’t see these photos.

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @Malla
    , @denk
  277. Chinaman says:
    @Anonymous

    It is sad but I will tell you another story. I hired a Chinese computer science phd with a 150 IQ in my NY office ( now defunct) and paid him to move to Hong Kong since it is so much more expensive for me to hire him in America with stupid taxes and health insurance. He got a 150k base anyway and I would have paid him more if he moved, I flew him to HK, pick him up in my Ferrari and put him in a nice service apartment. After a few month, He didn’t like it In HK and wants to go back to NY. When I asked why, he said he got to used to the lifestyle in America ( he spent a decade there) . It was really baffling to me. Never understood it. He is better in China helping its development than rotting in America.

    • Replies: @TKK
  278. Alden says:
    @Chinaman

    What happened, are you on the run from a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  279. AaronB says:
    @Chinaman

    You should check out the blog of gmachine79, an occasional commenter here. He is a kindred spirit.

    https://gmachine1729.com/

    He’s another Chinese guy who found he could not compete against whites on a high level in America, became extremely bitter and angry as a result, and returned to China. He runs an interesting blog from the perspective of people like you guys.

    I think as more and more Chinese discover that they are not competitive against whites at a high level after some time in America, you are becoming an interesting sociological category, with a unique perspective.

    I personally find you guys fascinating – it’s a fascinating collision between myth and harsh reality.

    Good luck.

    • Replies: @joun
    , @Chinaman
    , @Lin
    , @last straw
  280. TKK says:
    @KJ

    That’s because they are imprisoned. China executes as many people as Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    How can this be published with a straight face?

    Ask the victims of the new social credit system- who cannot get a bus pass- if China is a utopia.

    Better yet, ask the adults who live in the factory dorms in bunk beds if they feel joyful.

    Chinese people are ravenously capitalist. They work from morning until far into the night with only one obsession- making money.

    Healthcare is not free- if you want more than a band aid- and Shanghai and Beijing are as conspicuously consumerist and label obsessed as Beverly Hills or Manhattan.

    What is the motivation to paint China as a paradise? Are you paid?

    Is this a joke column? To the author and his back up KJ:

    China is another planet- it’s huge beyond most Americans comprehension. Your ham fist propaganda of painting 1 billion struggling people with one rosy brush is an atrocious excuse for journalism.

    Furthermore, unless you are a well financed NATIVE- or a 50 year ex pat fluent in Mandarin- to paint yourself as an expert on the country is ridiculous and downright dishonest.

    This doesn’t track. Your hysterical ( girlish) attacks of criticism of your article further undercuts any integrity or weight on your bizarre word salad.

  281. Biff says:
    @Alden

    I happen to be a direct descendant of the man who funded the Mayflower

    Liar, liar, pants on fire.

  282. joun says:
    @Jason Liu

    The western left is really just the American State Department (and affiliated oligarchs). The western right is the Pentagon (and MIC). When you read something insane in Western media about China you should google the name of the author and you’ll find affiliation to either State or DoD nearly 100% of the time.

    Most of us don’t really care and have other things going on in life.

  283. TKK says:
    @dearieme

    Agree.
    And I can tell you that many couples pays tens of thousands of dollars for Chinese babies and wait years.

    The racism histrionics the author describes toward the China does not exist.

    What’s so hilarious is the blatant racism the Chinese show to blacks when they try to teach English there.

    I don’t blame them, but they ask for photos and the blacks whine about being rejected after the Chinese discover their race.

    In fact, I believe the Obama administration address this with the Chinese government. If you go on YouTube there are a few butt hurt blacks talking about how badly they were treated in China when they did snag TEFL jobs.

  284. Chinaman says:
    @Alden

    Wait a minute. Since you throwing the these history anecdotes at me, let’s go a bit further back. do you acknowledge that America is founded on the the genocide of Indians and slavery of blacks? Do you acknowledge that your ancestors stole land from the natives? If you do and I think it is irrefutable, then what makes you think you deserve to live on stolen land! This is especially true for California since it was stolen from Mexico! Go fuck yourself and masturbath to the fantasy that you have a rightful claim to ANYTHING!

    • Replies: @Malla
  285. joun says:
    @AaronB

    The Chinese do very well wherever they are. They are smart, they work hard and, aside from gambling, tend to avoid the pitfalls of modernity.

    I see no value in internet racial pissing contests, especially with random Chinese. They guy didn’t like living in America. Neither do I. He prefers Hong Kong. So what.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  286. @Anonymous

    As you mention most of these Chinese emigrating are not doing so to escape from other Chinese as they congregate together among their own in the West. This behaviour contradicts what a western Chinese poster keeps writting in his comments. And those millionaires who want to emigrate to the west, why? They could all just move together in China, like buy up an area just for themselves and have their own millionaire’s playground there instead of moving west. Chinese abroad don’t mix well with their hosts and other migrants, very few, a miniscule proportion of individuals, do.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Alden
  287. TKK says:
    @JNDillard

    No. It is the hubris of a non Chinese “author” painting 1 billion people with the same brush, and ignoring the actual facts of how hard most Chinese have to work to have the basics.

    ***He sounds EXACTLY like the minders on a Pyongyang tour. Full stop.***

  288. Chinaman says:
    @AaronB

    Thanks, I will check him out. For your info, I was not competing against ordinary Americans you would think, It was all Jews and the smartest people from every conceivable corner of the world. IMO golds, genius, and many other smarter Chinese ( than me). Renaissance Tech is most successful quant fund in the world. I think half of the firm is Russian Jews and half Chinese. SAC, DE shaw, 2 sigma, Citadel is all Jews and Chinese. You know, the 2 most hated peope on this website ?

    I hired many whites. Honest, hardworking people, great employees but unfortunately, it is the WASP who cannot compete at this highest level. I had to get rid of a lot of them cuz they are not that smart. Just stating the facts here. It is probably true that as a company, I can’t compete in America as a upstart but why should I? For every guy I hire, I have to pay 15% in tax and insurance, this is unheard of in Asia. They are penalising people for creating employment. I got out when my cash burn rate reach 5 million per year, l It is called path of least resistance. By the way, not to brag, but George Soros, the ultimate villain , gave me money to manage so you can figure whether I can compete at that level.

  289. TKK says:
    @Chinaman

    You are not Chinese.

    1. No chinaman would waste time on the Internet, posting insults. He’s working, eating, sleeping and making sure his children are studying.

    2. Chinese culture advocates saving face above all else. These sophomoric insults would only arise after many many drinks and a serious insult.

    Read

    Life and Death Are Wearing Me Out by Mo Yan

    So you can hone your fake pathetic internet persona.

    • Agree: utu, MikeatMikedotMike
  290. Vidi says:
    @Anonymous

    The fact remains that emigration from China is at an all time high.

    This is false. According to the World Bank (link; download the data), emigration from China was much worse for the decade 1998 to 2007 (average 400k per year, or 0.031% of the population) than more recently (300k per year from from 2013 to 2017, or 0.21% per year).

    Something like 75% of those with net worth over US$1m said they would like to emigrate. If life is so great in China, they wouldn’t leave.

    Most of these high-net-worth people probably got their wealth dishonestly, and they are sweating the thought that they might be nabbed by the corruption crackdown currently underway in China. So they want to leave.

    • Replies: @Republic
  291. AaronB says:
    @joun

    I agree. The Chinese are an intelligent and capable people wherever they are, and have good reason to be satisfied with themselves.

    That’s why it really is silly that they get so distraught at not being competitive with whites in America at a high level.

    Top level performance has never been a Chinese specialty, and you would think they’d be quite pleased at doing quite reasonably well on a mass level in the middle ranks.

    I think it is partly due to an unfortunate feature of Chinese culture, which creates a belief that Chinese are intellectually unchallengeable. When this belief collides with reality, it creates immense – and totally unnecessary – resentment.

    I feel if Chinese did not impose such high expectations on themselves, and learned to be satisfied with the perfectly respectable reality, far fewer bitter and angry Chinese people leaving America would be created.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Anon
  292. Anon[792] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    There’s an incredibly subtle difference you’re missing.
    They are not emigrating to escape from other chinese, they are emigrating to escape the side-effects of living too densely with other chinese, i.e. the brutally darwinian competition for good jobs and housing that inevitably results. They migrate out like because they correctly perceive that the natives of other lands are not as driven as they are and that competing for the above would be like taking candy from a baby.

    Chinese millionaires move to the west because they are either white-collar criminals, where that sort of behavior is overlooked and primarily or because the west still retains a sort of cachet from its glory days -which is fast being eroded as visitors discover the reality of living here.

  293. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    If you read gmachine’s blog, his main complaint seems to be that Chinese cannot attain the highest levels of social or financial power in America. It sounds remarkably trivial, but this is what many Chinese are preoccupied with these days.

    I feel so much self inflicted unhappiness these days is caused by people feeling that simple, ordinary lives are worthless. Its our insane competitive world.

    But Montaigne said “I want to live an ordinary human life, without luster”. He understood life.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  294. Chinaman says:
    @Alden

    We got too big, almost a billion dollar and started losing money, it will be beyond your comprehension but we lost 100 million in a year. ( which we made back eventually)

    Starting the NY office was the worst mistake of my life. I got beguiled into believing that having a footprint in America will boost our expansion. It is a bit of Chinese chauvinisism and delusion of grandeur. We did raise a lot of money but America it is a worst place to do business. It is only when I stated the NY office that I realised how lucky I was to be in Hong Kong. Why compete in a desert when there are greener pastures?

    you don’t need to cheat when you have a billion AUM. I never understood why people do it.

  295. I see that this one really brought out the slaves to defend their masters. One even calling for a right wing dictatorship to fix America, as if we haven’t had that for at least 30 years now. We need an honest unbiased media in this country more than anything. Want to know whats wrong with America? Watch a few hours of CNN, NBC, Fox. Watch a Trump rally. Watch the debates. Nothing of any substance. All lies. Identity politics. Race baiting. Half truths. Endless discussion of meaningless shit that no one should care about. Never explaining the cause of all the problems, such as the immigrants and refugees. The media knows what they’re doing. They’re 100% responsible for all the racism and hate they pretend offends them. Same with the liberals, they’re no different than the conservatives.

    Its undeniable China is kicking our ass. Many reasons why. Corruption is probably #1. The people that fucked this country over have bought our “representatives”. This is why nothing ever changes, only gets worse. Unless you’re in the club, the ruling class. The drug crisis could easily be stopped, how many agencies are there to stop it, instead it only gets worse, they want us dead. Same with homelessness. The media, keep people ignorant and voting against their own interests, not like theres much of a choice anyway. Keep the slaves at each others throats instead of coming after their scalps. Thank the supreme court for citizens united that only made a bad situation even worse.

    Its sad that nearly everyone in DC and in local govt. only care about short term profit, lining their own pockets instead of doing whats right for everyone. You reap what you sow. Its gonna get ugly when this ponzi scheme of an “economic system” really goes tits up. Not that it has to, all this could be prevented if we had good moral people making decisions, but we do not. We have whores, willing to sell their own grannies ass to make a nickle. The system has failed!

    • Replies: @Biff
  296. Lin says:
    @AaronB

    My intuition told me gmachine is chinaman
    Anon[371]’s background?
    There was a certain hindu(finnish resident) at Robert Lindsay’s blog with the handle ‘Thorfinnsson’ .Could be the same person

  297. “This is especially true for California since it was stolen from Mexico! ”

    This of course is false. The US did not steal anything from Mexico. Mexico invited US citizens as a way of keeping native americans in check. They established some basic rules of immigration, speak the language, obey the law, no slaves.

    Mexico did not enforce the law. And the end result was the restless immigrants started to movement to make Texas independent. The Mexican military took a nap against a swampy river. The Texans took them buy surprise and Gen Santa Anna surrendered signed over Texas. Disgruntled by the loss to the immigrants. Mexico would on occassion engage in border skirmishes. Knowing that a potential second conflict would most likely end with Mexico retaking the territory. The former immigrants, now Texans petitioned to become a member of the US and was accepted. now all said border issues were a national matter. Of course Texans all too happy to be part of the union (even if for self serving reason) . Mexico unmoved continued to engage in border skirmishes, now against the US. The US siezing an opportunity made war on Mexico. And upon defeating the former Spaniards, paid 15 million for the rest of the Southwest and the rest as they say is history.

    Object Lesson:

    Don’t invite foreigners to your shores. And should you do so, you had better enforce the laws of your country l’est your country be someone else’s.

  298. Chinaman says:
    @TKK

    Thanks for the reminder. This is the first time I post and I probably have too much time on my hand now. Unz is a vice for me and rise of China is a subject that I passionate about. Apologies for the sophomoric insults but it guess we all come here to unload our shit we can’t in the PC real world.

  299. @utu

    So he had a hard childhood. It doesn’t justify him spitting venom at his own race. Does he think he’d have had better experiences if he had grown up as a lone white kid attending an all Arab school, among whom he lives now as a grown up and not in some rough end part of Beirut I’m sure, or an all Chinese low end school, or in a school of any other race? And on his travels does he sleep on the street with the homeless and in the slums of the Third World or does he visit with some local guide as if going to a zoo? He should experience the world at the lowest, poorest, least privileged Third World level for an extended period of time, like months at least, with no recourse to any assistance of his higher up friends, before he can be qualified to expound on stuff he knows little or nothing about. At least Jack London went to live with the homeless in the societal abyss of the East End of London to get the feel, as did George Orwell in his Down and out in Paris and London days. If you want to be credible live a credible life. Funny, I somehow feel this Ande is more comfortable in middle class surroundings yet professes to be a revolutionary taking the side of the downtrodden. I’m not criticising him for his choice of lifestyle but he should take real long extended holidays in society’s undebelly to get some street cred.

  300. TKK says:
    @Chinaman

    You are hilarious.

    You are a pathological liar. You have said you lived in New York City and then wait… you live in Hong Kong as part of the 1% . Did you forget your storyline?

    You are not Chinese.

    You are not an international player.

    A million bucks you are in your parent’s basement in Iowa.

  301. @Mr. Wales

    There is one social policy. The social credit system. Chinese citizens will say they love it….. out of fear. To speak out against this insane system of social engineering will result in swift retribution. Readers interested in China’s social credit system can do their own reading.

    Why are you so worried about the social credit system? The Chinese government is very pragmatic. They will just scrap it if trial runs do not work out.

    The Chinese are the neo colonialists in Africa. The Chinese are saddling African nations with impossible to pay back loans. These loans are defaulted on at a great rate. The Chinese are receiving land and infrastructure as collateral. They are racist to the core and hate black Africans, only employing them for the most menial tasks.

    This is just mindless regurgitation of Western MSM’s China-bashing.

    Chinese presence in Africa is a driving force behind Africans fleeing to Europe. They are making it intolerable. Vice President Pence spoke about this briefly a few months ago.

    Yeah, we should all believe what a neocon sociopath like Pence says.

    So what if they have high speed rail? It’s easy to construct when the infrastructure is in it’s adolescent phase. We are beyond this stage. Besides, who really needs high speed rail? I’m sure you have a boner for it, but it isn’t a necessity.

    Because China has a lot of cities that can be nicely connected with high speed rails in a linear fashion. To be precise, there are 65 cities with populations more than one million and 360 cities with populations between 100,000 to one million for now link. Also, high speed train runs on electricity and is less polluting than cars. And finally, when you become an old man or lady, you would wish you could take a very comfortable trip in the high speed train instead of driving long distance by yourself.

  302. @AaronB

    I think as more and more Chinese discover that they are not competitive against whites at a high level after some time in America, you are becoming an interesting sociological category, with a unique perspective.

    So Chinese immigrants with English as their second language cannot compete against whites in America. How many white Americans can speak Chinese and compete against Chinese in China besides teaching English?

    • Replies: @Anon
  303. denk says:
    @Colin Wright

    it is obviously China that is ruled by the rich. Here, the rich indeed influence politics; there, they are the politics.

    US CON-gress in session…

    Agenda,

    Day
    1] bump off Maduro.
    2] Clobber Chinese economy
    3] BP’s request to regime change Iran,
    4] BHP’s request to regime change E Timor,
    5] make Venezuela’s economy scream,
    6] approve more arm sales to Yemen,
    7] Award another 3Trillion$ contracts to Lockheed Martin, GE, ….
    We need more next gen aircraft carriers, fighters, nukes….
    8] more grants to NED to recruit agent provocateurs in HK,
    ………………

    Chinese congress in session,

    Agenda…
    Day
    1] 2025 zero poverty,
    2] 2030 zero smog,
    3] 2030 zero corruption,
    4] 2025 zero illiteracy,

    CCP is even worse

    Try telling that to the Chinese !

    • Replies: @Malla
  304. utu says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    He is not outwardly ideological. He stands firmly on his feet unlike Rene Vltchek or Godfree Roberts who both float above the ground with heads in the clouds of fancy ideas. And most importantly he is not extreme in his opinion and interpretation. He seems to be even handed. He likes China. Certainly he is not a profound or great thinker but he is eloquent and articulate enough to give you a decent sense of reality in China.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  305. denk says:
    @Malla

    Malla and his broken record,,

    hehehhehe

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  306. Vidi says:
    @Colin Wright

    There are at least eighty three billionaires in the Chinese Congress of People’s Deputies

    I think you mean the National People’s Congress (NPC). There may be as many as 83 billionaires there — but the NPC has 2980 members.

    by comparison, none in the US Congress.

    Why would an American billionaire waste his time in Congress, when he can simply buy a Congresscritter? A Chinese billionaire might prefer to do the same, but to do so is risky, as all members of the NPC are watched quite carefully by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI). The penalty for corruption can be death.

  307. Anon[792] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    They’re “swarming” because vast chunks of westerners are both illiterate and innumerate. With a population of 1.3+ billion, even an out-migration rate of 1% is 13 million people, that’s TWO WHOLE Syrian Refugee Crises with just 1% of their population. If we take the entire Chinese-American population of California to be 5million ( that’s already very generously overestimated), that’s less than half of one percent.

  308. Anon[792] • Disclaimer says:
    @last straw

    Don’t bother, it’s just a COPE post. A mental defense mechanism while his entire civilization crashes to the ground around him.

  309. Anon[792] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    This would make sense if there is only one generation alive at any one time.

    • Replies: @last straw
  310. Biff says:
    @redmudhooch

    I see that this one really brought out the slaves to defend their masters.

    To please the master is evolutionary.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

  311. ” If we take the entire Chinese-American population of California to be 5million ( that’s already very generously overestimated), that’s less than half of one percent.”

    As that number represents the entire Asian population, it is vastly over estimated

  312. sb says:

    China is really rather like a much more populous version of Israel.

    Both places work towards making the homeland 100% homogeneous but also work towards making other selected influential countries -especially the Anglophone ones – having a powerful and influential minority of their kith and kin who will have their first and ( maybe ) only allegiance to the homeland

    • Replies: @Anon
  313. @last straw

    If China has passed the US for lifespan, it’s as much due to Americans addicted to food and/or drugs as it is a reflection of better Chinese medical care. Overdose and suicide rates are up in the US, as is obesity. These are the products of dispair, some due to our elites shipping jobs to China in addition to low-skilled immigration. It’s not so much the failure of liberal democracy as it is the failure to maintain it with regulated corporations, high-standards education, healthy sober patriotism, and control over immigration and borders. We were subverted by neos- neo-Marxists, neo-conservatives, and neo-liberals, many who are of a certain minority ethnocentric tribe with an ax to grind.

    • Replies: @Anon
  314. KJ says:

    “The Soviet Union had parity on military and was thought they might even catch up…economically someday, but on the third [culture] they were hopeless… I suspect the Chinese will be similar even if they do better economically. The Chinese language will only be used outside of China under limited circumstances. Musically, Film, cuisine, writing, they are not interesting.”

    This is an interesting statement from the “professor” but it bears a little correction.

    The Soviet Union actually excelled in arts and culture, especially “high” culture, and also the pedagogy of arts and culture. They were prominent or leaders in chess, classical music, symphonic and choral music, classical ballet, painting, cinema, and theater; as well as developing some of the most innovative, effective, and ground breaking methods of education in the arts and performing arts (e.g. modern “method acting” is a partial, watered-down adaptation of Stanislavski’s work). The West’s strength was consumer/pop culture. There was a such a fear of a humiliating culture gap that the government and intelligence agencies aggressively financed the arts in the US (until the fall of the SU).

    As for Chinese, Chinese culture has been a cultural force for Millennia all over Asia.

    If you say “Chinese language will only be used under…limited circumstances”, all you have to do is look at the Kanji and Hanja (漢字) scripts of Japan and Korea. What language is that? 60% of Korean vocabulary is borrowed Chinese words. (What script was Vietnamese Chu Nom (字 南)?)

    “Musically, Film, cuisine, writing, they [Chinese] are not interesting.”
    It’s not possible to refute all the howlers here, but I’ll just touch lightly on one quotidian aspect, cuisine. Some of the richest, tastiest, most complex cooking in the world is Chinese, or Chinese-influenced. Many daily things we enjoy in western cuisine are Chinese-influenced or derived: the Chinese invented pasta, dumplings, sauces, ice cream. Even ketchup is a Chinese invention.

    None of this should be surprising to the informed reader. A culture that selected their government officials on their ability to extemporize poetry probably has high standards in culture. In fact, Chinese Culture has traditionally turned almost everything into a exquisite art: Fighting, Feeding, procreation, and yes, even film, music, writing, and governance.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  315. PeterMX says:

    China’s rise from poverty to world power is one of the biggest events of the last 120 years. Former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt commented on it and China’s leader Deng Xiaoping decades ago already, as it was obvious they were making big strides. Yes, bigger than the USA. It’s the attitude that nobody can ever being doing anything better than Americans (even a poverty ridden country having a faster growing economy) that has made China’s rise a “surprise” to some when it has been going on for decades.

    I’m not sure if the author identifies properly the motivations for a particular country’s hostility to China. I think any hostility towards China from leftist western Europe most likely comes from their hostility to any country that has a degree of pride and operates in its own self interest (except for Israel), as western European countries, particularly guilt ridden Germany, do not.

  316. Parfois1 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Wasting your time. They only believe anti-socialist propaganda. Any sane person would suspect that a defector, spy or traitor would badmouth his country of origin to ingratiate himself with their sponsors for rewards, recognition or status – getting their shekels. It says something about their morals, honesty and character, and whose evidence in a court of law is dismissed for being biased and unreliable. But not here where they are cited as authority for lies.

    Incredible banality reigns here.

  317. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    This is especially true for California since it was stolen from Mexico!

    California was not stolen, the USA paid Mexico for it.

  318. Malla says:
    @denk

    Hey denk you missed some other points
    Chinese congress in session,

    Agenda…
    Day
    1] 2025 zero poverty,
    2] 2030 zero smog,
    3] 2030 zero corruption,
    4] 2025 zero illiteracy,
    5] 2030 Bring Holy World Peace
    6] 2035 Balance Yin and Yang in the Universe and balance the Universe.

    • Replies: @denk
  319. Malla says:
    @Yee

    If America was half as socialist as China, i.e. banks, oil companies, MIC, aren’t private-owned, 90% of your country’s problems would disappear…

    America is already socialist in media, academia and governance.
    If nearly all blacks, browns and most importantly Jews leave America and go to Africa, mexico, Israel etc…. 90% of America’s problems would disappear. Socialist or capitalist.

  320. Malla says:
    @denk

    Malla and his broken record

    But the record shows how Communist China is just an experiment of the Western Zio bankers.

    hehehehehe…….

  321. Malla says:
    @Mr. Wales

    Chinese presence in Africa is a driving force behind Africans fleeing to Europe. They are making it intolerable. Vice President Pence spoke about this briefly a few months ago.

    I agree with you on most of your points but I really do not see how the Chinese presence in Africa is driving Africans out of China. The Chinese are developing Africa as the natives are incapable of it. All that improved infrastructure would bring more opportunities in Africa. Of course the Chinese will regret going there in the long run.

    • Replies: @Anon
  322. IM says:
    @Wally

    Yes i understand they are still in effect. What i’m saying is that i think in many areas we’re reaching the point where it would be optimal for them to repeal the tariffs and expose their domestic firms to a higher level of comeptition, as they have reached the point where they can compete fairly. Also yes they did recieve are great deal from mandated transfers, but again i think they’ve reached the point as of NOW that if they stopped the policy the overall impact would be minimal. It would have been a different story if they did that 10 years ago but now they’re basically ahead in many key areas and places where they’re behind such as aircraft engines and semi conductors, from what i understand can’t really be transferred so simply, it’s more about massive accumulation of experiance.

    Btw i really appreciate your efforts on these boards, keep fighting the good fight! 😀

  323. Malla says:
    @denk

    Denki boy, Great news.

    https://www.livemint.com/Companies/gimvY8BQLpQQS7C4EiXN7M/India-urges-China-to-issue-longer-work-visa-permits-to-India.html

    India urges China to issue longer work visa permits to Indians

    Could it be the beginning of something big in the future?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnik_Roy

    “Sagnik Roy (Bengali: সাগ্নিক রায়; simplified Chinese: 沙宁; traditional Chinese: 沙寧; pinyin: Shā Níng) is a China-based Indian Canadian businessman, philanthropist, Sinologist, director of Xiyate Yongtong Co. Ltd. (TXYCO LTD.) and governing board member of Environmental Education Media Project (EEMP). He is also advisor to local government bodies in China.”

    Is this the beginning of something big and beautiful?

    • Replies: @denk
  324. @utu

    Well, at least we know where your biases lie.

    When it comes to China, you and Roberts lies on the extreme opposite ends.

    But seriously, you would have to be crazy to take serpentza seriously, the guy is just pandering for views so he can make money. And you are falling for it.

    • Replies: @utu
  325. Pandour says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Why are facts whining.According to you theyre not worth mentioning.

  326. @Lin

    So we’ve got Hindustanis in Finland. Where next? Greenland. Is India getting too small for them,? They’re competing with the Chinese who will send out more immigrants to take over communities at local level in the West and small island nations. Pity those Fijians, Solomon Islanders, and others. Are they still in control of their islands or are they subjected to these Indians and Chinese?Someone should ask them if white man’s rule was worse.

    • Replies: @Anon
  327. idealogus says: • Website
    @Lin

    You sir are sooooo enlightening. NOT!

    So you say that if one man (he is not like the catholic Pope – infailible) from 100 milion members of FalunGong think something crazy than we we have the legal right and the moral obligation to send the rest to a concentration camp nazi genocide type.
    From what group are you from because you just say something crazy and I have the right and the legal obligation to …….

  328. @Cyrano

    Cyrano,

    The only real proletarian of the contributors at UR is Linh Dinh. He’s actually working in a factory in one of the few remaining communist countries. And he lives modestly out in the sticks somewhere with the locals. (well in a way he’s a local too). We don’t read him singing praises to Marxism-Leninism or spewing hate of ordinary western people. It’s not clear whether he has any shares in the private enterprise but still he seems to be living the life he describes. Genuine worker. Hats off to Linh Dinh.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  329. Chinaman says:
    @AaronB

    Aaron

    I think you got it completely backward. Just as white can’t compete at the highest level of basketball and football, white can’t complete at the highest level of task that requires cognitive ability or IQ.

    Only one white (not American) has ran below 10 seconds in 100m. There is only 1 white guy in the 2019 American International Mathematical Olympiad, rest are all Chinese. It is the most ludicrous thing ever. why do you need some Chinese to represent America in a global high school math competition? let’s get some REAL American or some angry white dude from Alt-right to go compete???

    Are you sure you want to talk about the competition? why do we have the trade war now? is it that Americans can’t compete with the Chinese? get a grip, man.

    Most of the scientific achievements and inventions were made by Jewish Americans. America would never have the bomb without Nazi Scientist. let’s not “white” wash the past.

    Let’s not even start on objective benchmarks like PISA or IQ for now. You can say white gentiles are good at nothing…

    White supremacy is totally unfounded and I don’t know where do people find the audacity or evidence to substantiate their supremacy. I would stop talking about it if I were white. Anyway, It is one of the reasons I felt compelled to start commenting here.

    Personally, I pride myself in beating Jewish and white Americans in their own game, a game they invented and dominate- Finance- I beat 1300 funds (mostly American) to be the top fund in the world for 5 years. You shouldn’t stereotype and confound me with some loser Chinese American. However, I do emphasize with their struggle with the glass ceiling and an unfair system. I am not complaining about anything and I don’t hold a grudge against whites Americans at all. I have many white employees and they are definitely better than black or brown ones.

    You guys should be careful about your comments here, you all might start working for the Chinese soon. We will pay you better than the Jews do now and also much better than you did to black slaves. haha

    • Troll: utu
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Anon
    , @RadicalCenter
  330. @Priss Factor

    As well as during the Great Famjne in Ireland from 1845 to 1847 then a British colony believing in Laisez fair capitalism as they still do today. Millions died during those years.

  331. @TKK

    His comment history is 14 comment, all in this article. He’s probably a sock puppet of on of the self hating white commies here.

  332. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    Most of the scientific achievements and inventions were made by Jewish Americans.

    Not true. What is remarkable about Jews is that being such a tiny population their contribution per 1000 Jews was huge. but the vast majority of scientific achievements were made by gentile Whites.

    White supremacy is totally unfounded

    Every race and people on this planet believe in their superiority.

    • Replies: @Lin
  333. utu says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    You are not very astute after all.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  334. Alden says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Right, its not the poor who are leaving China. They’ve bought up high priced Vancouver BC for cash, 3 million cash for an ordinary 3 bedroom house and are now moving on Victoria and the rest of BC and western Canada.

    Then there the child birth tourist industry. Pay $40, 000 to live in the United States a few months to get a US birth certificate for the kid so they can bring over the entire clan. Desperate poor Mexicans and desperate rich Chinese and Russians are the only people in the world who do that.

  335. Lin says:
    @Malla

    “Most of the scientific achievements and inventions were made by Jewish Americans. ..”
    Apparently gmachine aka chinaman was confused. I’ve a degree in math; here’s a partial list of the great mathematicians in the past 100 yrs or so:
    –Von Neumann; he was Hungarian jew and one of the greatest minds back then
    –David Hilbert–German; There’s an advanced math subject called ‘Hilbert space’.
    –Henri Lebesgue—French; He revolutionised integration.
    –Andrey Kolmogorov–(gay)Russian; he applied Lebesgue’s new theory to axiomatize probability.
    I’ve a book ‘Real and functional analysis’ written by him on my book shelf.
    ……..
    Interestingly the British made little contributions to modern hard core math.
    (I can name some outstanding ethnic Chinese mathematicians but they still lack the calibre of the above)
    BTW, Eienstein had great insight but he wasn’t exactly a math researcher. He had to learn math from Minkowski (another jew) and he hired math assistants.
    ……
    Every race and people on this planet believe in their superiority
    People who persistently claim they’re ‘proud’ of their races actually is a reflection they feel insecure and inferior and make up some claims to ease their pain.
    ……………..
    The average jews, with high IQ and many hi-performers among them actually seldom brag. Exceptions are ultra-orthodox jews like the Lubavitchers.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  336. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    “in the West and in a handful of countries outside the West, where Westerners and their descendants are both ruling and controlling the mass media (Argentina).”

    It is what one defines as “Western”. In my definition, the west is that civilization which was built on the Christian faith and Ancient Greek philosophy and culture. That would traditionally include Argentina and even Russia for that matter. Today, we have “western” as defined by jewish mass media and degeneracy, led by the US and UK. The real western culture is all but dead except in places like Russia and some Eastern European countries.

  337. “Mexicans and desperate rich Chinese and Russians are the only people in the world who do that.”

    And it will eat the US from the inside .

  338. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Does anyone actually give a shit about China’s muslim concentration camps other than human rights faggots and American liberal imperialists?

    Nailed it. Almost everyday they have an article on this in Breitbart, mouthpiece of the Zionist filth, and every article is followed by hundreds of comments of “China is doing the right thing”, “China is smart”, “We’d do the same if we were smart” etc. LOL.

    I also don’t give a shit about them harvesting organs of executed murderers and rapists. Those scumbags were of no value to society when they were alive, might as well be useful when they’re dead.

  339. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @frankie p

    Google and US companies are lobbying on their behalf because they only care about short term profits. Huawei’s cell phone sales plunged by 50% as soon as Google announced their pulling of Android:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-16/huawei-braces-for-a-steep-drop-in-overseas-smartphone-sales
    Who needs who more?

  340. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Listen to the woman yelling behind him in that restaurant at 9:05 and 9:36. Modern infrastructure, ancient behavior. Truly obnoxious. I guess these people have been yelling like this for 5,000 years, all Chinese have developed a hearing problem.

    Also, pay attention to all the green moss all over the city streets at 7:04. There are lots of other cities like this in China. Have they not heard of power washing or moss treatment? I notice this in almost all Chinese cities where there is concrete, like in Suzhou. It doesn’t matter how beautiful the city is, if everything is covered by green moss, it’s just gross. The alleyways are especially disgusting (at 6:05). The Japanese would never let this happen, because they actually pay attention to details. A city is only as beautiful as its alleyways, not just the main street. China is just not quite there, doubt if they ever will.

  341. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    There’s this thing called the bamboo ceiling in the west. It isn’t just the Chinese, all East Asians have that problem in white run countries. They look too different and lack shamelessness like the Jews and Indians, and things will only get worse for them now that Indians have taken over tech. Indians are even more shamelessly clannish than the Jews. The only place for East Asians to get into the C-suite is in East Asia. The good news is, judging by the success of Chinese/Japanese/Korean companies, they certainly do not lack talent.

  342. @denk

    Interesting how Israel has huge links with “Five Eyes,” but continues to develop relationships with China.
    https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Netanyahu-Our-cooperation-with-the-United-States-is-at-an-all-time-high-563184
    “We invest vast sums of money, probably number two in the western world, in our military intelligence, which goes to the army, the Mossad, to the Shin Bet” – https://nocamels.com/2019/06/cyber-week-2019-netanyahu-israel-cyber-efforts-help-foil-terror-attacks/

    https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/whats-behind-israels-growing-ties-china – Elliott Abrams

    Shanghai International Port Group…Israeli submarines, widely reported to be capable of launching nuclear missiles, are docked there. https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2018/10/11/israels-ties-with-china-are-raising-security-concerns

    Who has nukes and is playing both sides of U.S.-China friction?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @denk
  343. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @sb

    Some major differences:

    1) Chinese aren’t power hungry like the Jews. They rarely run for office, work in media, academia, or law, even after settling in a country for generations. The first generation tend to be entrepreneurs while subsequent generations tend to be professionals.

    2) Chinese aren’t narcissistic, vengeful, punitive, shameless, manipulative, hypocritical, sexually deviant or victimhood obsessed like the Jews.

    3) After the first generation, Chinese aren’t nearly as clannish as Jews or Indians, nor do subsequent generations care much about the motherland, they assimilate much quicker esp. due to their high outmarriage rate.

    Indians are the new Jews. They are the opposite of the Chinese in each of the above like the Jews, except not as smart.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  344. ” . . . the west is that civilization which was built on the Christian faith and Ancient Greek philosophy and culture. That would traditionally include Argentina and even Russia for that matter. ”

    Well, you need to include the Romans.

    ————————————————————————-

    “That is why China is so popular in the countries which want to save their people from misery, and to build new, better societies.”

    Human engineering has its benefits. However, human engineering minus a divine connection is tyranny masked as order and beneficence. One has to acknowledge China’s ascendence. And there is plenty to admire. But underneath all that order is a disdain for the meddlesome and troublesome issue God, Christ and Church. Which is why I have painfully accepted that any visit to China would result in problems for me.

    Whatever the faults the US has, and there are plenty. At this moment in time I cannot be arrested for expressing a belief in God and sharing that belief. That despite the fact that as many have openly stated that would like to see every christian tossed into a lake of fire yesterday or at least out of the play pen.

    The day may come when the US bars faithful people from participation, but that day is not today.

  345. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lockean Proviso

    All the bad things in the US can be attributed to the globohomo and Zionists, often belonging to the same tribe.

  346. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    I really do not see how the Chinese presence in Africa is driving Africans out of China. The Chinese are developing Africa as the natives are incapable of it. All that improved infrastructure would bring more opportunities in Africa. Of course the Chinese will regret going there in the long run.

    Agree. They haven’t learned from the West’s experience with Africans, just makes you wonder how high their IQ really is.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  347. @Lin

    I don’t comment on his blog.

  348. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Indians only go to rich white countries, where dumb trusting PC whites continue to buy their “best and brightest”, “highly skilled” scam. They are no nation builders like the Chinese. Nation building takes vision, coordination and hard work, three things Indians just aren’t capable of. Look at the shithole that they live in compared to China. IQ 81 vs. 105. Big difference. Huge.

    • Replies: @Malla
  349. Republic says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    serpentza is an interesting character. He seems to have a good understanding of both the strengths and weaknesses of the Chinese. He is hated by a lot of Chinese because of his strong opinions on Chinese society. They actually wanted to get him deported. In fact he recently relocated to the US.

    If you spent some time watching some of his videos as well as watching some of the videos of China Uncensored one could get a good insight into contemporary Chinese society.

    Both video series have both good and bad points

  350. Republic says:
    @Biff

    Many international opinion polls on the behavior of foreign tourists consistently rate the Chinese as being the worst tourists in the world.

    • Replies: @Biff
  351. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Get real. Who invented the modern world and all our modern conveniences? Planes, trains, automobiles, electricity, telephone, telegraph, refrigerator, AC, microwave, radio, TV, ovens, stove top, washer/dryer, modern toilet, the skyscraper, computer, internet, modern medical equipment, glasses, penicillin, virtually all vaccines, modern plumbing, coffee machine, the phonograph, camera, cinema, CD, DVD, all modern appliances? Virtually all whites. Not Jews. Whites. Jews are just the middlemen, they eschew manual labor. Jews are good at inventing propaganda and financial fraud, not things that move or can be dropped on one’s toes. East Asians are good at copying and making things, not good at inventing.

  352. Half-Jap says:
    @Andre Vltchek

    Amazing. Burning some few enemies, even if brutal, is now the example of whatever else you proffer as some grand evil. I don’t understand how you missed the major Japanese defeat out there that kept our distance from the Soviets. But I guess you have the SJW mentality? Your reasoning fits. 😛

  353. Half-Jap says:
    @last straw

    True, but that’s been the way next door. Amazing and despairing history.

  354. Pandour says: • Website

    Its a no-brainer.I just wish some people would at least try do their homework.Communist party fat cats comprise 90 per cent of Chinas multi-millionaires and billionaires,case in point,Jack Ma,the richest man in China,worth 39 billion U.S.Ninety per cent of the richest people in China are Communist Party members.Just ask Wen JiaoBao,the former premier and the richest woman in China.Like every communist state,China is first and foremost a kleptocracy parading under the guise of a state.

  355. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Of course they do business with Israel. Chinese are the ultimate pragmatists. They’ll do business with anyone as long as it puts food on the table; ideology is for the master manipulators and their useful idiots.

    Rest assure they are also wise to who is really controlling the west. You want to keep the business going? Got to keep the boss happy. Besides, Israel is doing a great job enslaving the US with debt through warmongering, and China is the ultimate creditor.

  356. Half-Jap says:
    @Lin

    Really sorry, I, though rare, am quite sorry, to pronounce that modern mainland China is far removed from what is claimed as the 4000 years or 3000 years of history, as the people today are not even close to the people a few centuries ago, let alone those even before. Even the gov’t don’t get it, conquering Tibet, even though Tibet, for example, has been a tributary, not a subject or territory. Modern China has lost the understanding of what honor that the great power had back then. Today, who can honor a brute conqueror? What and whither the Middle Kingdom? A nation of avaricious bureaucrats is nothing to respect, even if individuals part of it were, such as the most honored Admiral Liaoning. I even cried over his life.

    • Replies: @Lin
  357. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Republic

    They actually wanted to get him deported. In fact he recently relocated to the US.

    The Chinese are thin skin. Instead of looking at criticisms from outsiders as a way to improve, they think of it as “losing face”, and crucify the messenger. Which is why they continue to be such unpleasant louts to most people in the west and get no respect despite all the “modernization”.

    I do wonder though how does a South African with a Chinese wife end up “relocating” to the US? On what visa are they operating in the US? Certainly not H1b as they’d need a corporate sponsor. Tourist visa? It’s against the law to work or start a business on such a visa.

    • Replies: @Republic
  358. Republic says:
    @Vidi

    There are some things which no amount of wealth can buy in China, for example, clean air!

    • Replies: @last straw
  359. Chinaman says:
    @Lin

    I am pretty out of my depth here when it comes to math. it is ironic that I suck at math even though I run a quant fund. I am probably worse than most white guys. Intuition is what matters to me. It still boggles my mind when I see five Chinese on the American IMO team. it’s insane that the greatest country in the world needs some mercenary Chinese nerds to help them compete in IMO. Since you are a math guy, what is your take on it?

    Chinese is what makes America Great in this case. It is a farcical.

  360. denk says:
    @Mr. Wales

    Pence says Chinese are turning Aftrica into hell hole, driving the Africans into murikka.

    [sic]

    That psychopaths like Pence, Pompeo, BOlton, Mccain, Trump….would utter such bald faced lies in public is par for the course.
    murkka has been run by serial lying psychopathic scumbags since 1785.
    Hmmm, surely something to be proud of.

    But it boggles the mind That murikkans are still swearing by these psychopaths, whose litany of lies hogs the entire chart of top 100 lies of the century .
    From the sinking of Maine, gulf of tonkin….right up to the current HK, Xinjiang agitprops.

    Come to think of it,
    Not surprising actually.
    tptb knew it long ago, that they can fool most of the murikkans all the time.

    his essay is complete and utter nonsense.

    Sez the proverbial village idiot !

    • Replies: @Malla
  361. Cyrano says:
    @Commentator Mike

    By the same logic in order to truly understand and being able to defend a violent criminal – you have to be one. And yet in most western countries people study law for years in order to qualify as lawyers. You could be on to something. Your model could be more successful. If you murder someone, just ask for an inmate on the death row to defend you. You couldn’t really ask for a more qualified defender. And he’ll even know how you feel exactly.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  362. denk says:
    @Malla

    saving the world

    NO thanks, !
    The Chinese have enough of their own problems as it is.

    Unlike the USG, The CCP are rather quaint , some how they figure that their job is to tackle China’s problems,
    not running the world.

    That’d be the white man’s burden.
    CON-gress critters pet proj !

  363. denk says:
    @Malla

    advisor to local government bodies in China.”

    that’s kindergarten stuff

    You guys are already running the west,
    especially the 5eyes…

    Karmala Harris,
    Nikki Haley,
    Agit Pai,
    Sundar Pichai

    Jacinda Ardern

    Harjit Singh Sajjan

    Pritti Patel,

    tip of an iceberg,

    Way to go , INdia. !

    Trump sez…
    lets mIga !

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Punju
  364. denk says:
    @Jon Baptist

    You’r newbie, no wonder.

    The ENA , led by the 5liars have been going after China’s jugular ever since the days of Opium war, …..long before Israel was born.

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  365. Republic says:
    @Anon

    I do wonder though how does a South African with a Chinese wife end up “relocating” to the US? On what visa are they operating in the US? Certainly not H1b as they’d need a corporate sponsor. Tourist visa? It’s against the law to work or start a business on such a visa.

    I understand that he is in the US on some type of tourist visa, maybe a visa wavier as he also holds UK citizenship. His wife remains in China. He also has made a lot of trips to Vietnam recently,He might live there in the future. .

    His you tube channel generates a lot of cash, he also has a lot of patreon supporters. He has held meetups in various US cities

  366. @Cyrano

    That’s stretching it a bit.

  367. @Anon

    This would make sense if there is only one generation alive at any one time.

    Agree.

  368. Malla says:
    @denk

    You guys are already running the west,

    More like we are permanently destroying the West with our Jew masters. Which is good for China. You can thank us desis later.

    Jacinda Ardern

    She is (mostly) Jew not hinjew. What does the New Zealand PM have to do with us desis?

    that’s kindergarten stuff

    But what if it is the start of something big, just like what happened in Singapore where we Hinjews took over without firing s shot.

    • Replies: @denk
  369. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Indians only go to rich white countries

    And Singapore. The poor working class Indians (along with Pakistanis, Bangladeshis) go to the Middle East too but the Arabs know how how to keep immigrants in line.

    • Replies: @Lin
  370. Andrew says:

    From the outside – I’m not American – America’s foreign policy appears to have three strands – (a) support Israel whatever they do, (b) destroy any competition by military action if necessary, rather than show any form of cooperation, (c) farcical lies and disinformation that have turned the phrase ‘intelligence agency’ into an oxymoron.

    Those are bizarre policies bound to lead eventually to the destruction of any goodwill towards the States (despite the goodwill generated over decades by your movies and music), barriers being erected against the states, your businesses being undermined and a slow death

    Wouldn’t America secure a better future for itself if it launched its own BRI initiative – sought to help and invest in African and Asian infrastructure (or even South American). It’s just a thought

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  371. @Republic

    serpentza is an interesting character. He seems to have a good understanding of both the strengths and weaknesses of the Chinese. He is hated by a lot of Chinese because of his strong opinions on Chinese society. They actually wanted to get him deported. In fact he recently relocated to the US.

    If you spent some time watching some of his videos as well as watching some of the videos of China Uncensored one could get a good insight into contemporary Chinese society.

    Both video series have both good and bad points

    “China Uncensored” is a Falun Gong production. It’s about as negatively biased against China as you can get. If you think “China Uncensored” has any value in helping you to form a nuanced but impartial view about China, you do not know much about China at all. Serpentza is just one of the more “famous” YouTubers, among many others, who found out that China-bashing could be a profession. There is little value in his videos on understanding the real China either, although they are better than “China Uncensored”.

    • Replies: @Republic
  372. @Republic

    Have you ever heard of the term “London fog”? Air pollution in Western cities was once bad also. It will takes some time, but it will be cleaned up eventually.
    See “Substantial changes in air pollution across China during 2015–2017”.

  373. @denk

    newbie

    Has your condescending behavior ever worked for you in the past?

    Since you brought up the Opium War, I have one name for you. Sassoon.
    “According to the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia entry on David Sassoon: ‘“his business, which included a monopoly of the opium-trade’”
    https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=70956
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13218-sassoon

    Do you want to bring up the British East India Company as well?

    • Replies: @denk
  374. Lin says:
    @Half-Jap

    Today, who can honor a brute conqueror?
    Look, should I repeat what I said here and there:
    –The dalais back then(pre-1949) didn’t resist Chinese suzerainty there until the communists decided to get rid of the lama theocracy together with the serf system.
    –The average Tibetans are merging into the Chinese main stream steadily.
    –Tibetan livinghood is heavly subsidized by the Beijing govt.
    ……….
    The average Tibetans might not be educated but they aren’t dumb.
    I had been to the Qinghai-tibet plateau at 4500 m above sea level 15 years ago; who built the high ways there? The pedo lamas ?

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  375. Lin says:
    @Malla

    Most of the remittance money actually came from low skill Indians in oil arab states.
    While the higher castes/more educated seek to migrate to western/developed countries.
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/forex-and-remittance/india-was-the-top-recipient-of-remittances-worldwide-in-2018/articleshow/70310386.cms

    • Replies: @Malla
  376. I live in China in a relatively wealthy second tier city and can say that this article is full of exaggeration. Though much of what it says is correct it is still far off being a developed country. For instance, great numbers of people in china live in housing that would be completely unacceptable to the citizens of many SE Asian countries, never mind Western countries, basically chicken coup, high density apartments where your neighbours are breathing down your neck and staring in at your from their window as your look out of yours.

    Many of these will be gradually replaced but millions upon millions of people live in these conditions and it will take decades assuming current upward trends continue. These housing complexes might exist along side top of the line train networks etc., but standards of living are still far below Western standards for anyone who values privacy, peace and quiet, and having your own space.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Lin
  377. @Chinaman

    What do you think of Jim Oberweis’s China Opportunities Fund?

  378. @Anon

    The state treasurer and state controller of California will be surprised to learn this. Their names are Betty YEE and Fiona MA.

    Two more recent California state treasurers were Chinese too: Matt Fong (R 1995-1999) and John Chiang (Dem 2011-2019).

    Another recent state controller was Chinese.

    They may not have been political in the last but they are now. Not good.

  379. peterAUS says:
    @The seventh shape

    great numbers of people in china live in housing that would be completely unacceptable to the citizens of many SE Asian countries, never mind Western countries, basically chicken coup, high density apartments where your neighbours are breathing down your neck and staring in at your from their window as your look out of yours.

    standards of living are still far below Western standards for anyone who values privacy, peace and quiet, and having your own space.

    Of course.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  380. Punju says:
    @denk

    Denk,

    You might like this too 🙂

    Boris Johnson’s estranged wife is half Sikh and he keeps close to her Indian cousins.

    https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/sunday-special/columns/british-pm-hopeful-s-sikh-connection/798289.html

    • Replies: @denk
  381. @utu

    Astute enough, and when it comes to China, way more than you and less emotional.

  382. @Republic

    This is my opinion on serpentza and China uncensored.

    The first is just making money off of retards looking for an echo chamber. There are no good points about him or his videos. Dude just stumbled into the goldmine that is bad-mouthing China on YouTube :p. Makes a pretty handsome living.

    About some Chinese hating him. Would you as an American not hate some youtube retard bad mouthing USA with essentially lies?

    China uncensored might as well be run by the us govt or any of the 3 letter agencies. If you truly, 100% believe in the shit it peddles, I deem you a lost cause. FYI, there a lot of youtube channels like it, though most are set up to resemble amateur documentaries.

    My words are hash but I don’t like beating around the bush. Straight and raw. 😎

    • Replies: @Republic
  383. @Andrew

    Making others rich =/= the best interest of the USA. A better, American version of BRI = a huge fucking no.

    Keeping them poor, buying their raw materials, selling back the finished good = the best interest of USA.

    It is why BRI is such a headache for the USA. The only way is to smear it. And it is not having much affect.

  384. @Anon

    Don’t see a problem with China extracting resources from Africa, so long as they NEVER let Africans settle in or even reside in their country.

  385. Che Guava says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Very funny.

    What is wrong, specifically, with eating dogs and cats? I used to eat whale on occasion when it was on sale as a by-product of the research expeditions to the Antarctic Ocean.

    Only once a year, on average, but it is tasty.

    I know many Westerners are disgusted by that.

    I took a mainland Chinese neighbour to dinner last week. He doesn’t speak Japanese, I don’t have much Chinese, but can read, with a little effort, old sword inscriptions and such.

    We get by with a combination of English and Kanji.

    We were talking about cooking for a bit, he was very proud of having caught and fried a little bird or two as a child, ‘It was delicious!’

    Well, by Kanji I identieid the birds as sparrows, I have also eaten sparrow, grilled, not fried. Too bony. Probably better fried.

    OTOH, I liike watching the little dinosaurs too much to make it a habit. Anyway, it’s more of a rural thing.

    We should adopt the eating of cats. There is a huge population, and fools feed them, so they are always fat, so much so that they don’t take on their only useful role, killing rats.

    Although I’d never like to see my favourite, adopted by the junior staff of a nearby hospital, eaten. It has a nice nature.

    It disappoints me that Mr. Vltchk didn’t digress onto his favourite topics of whining about the famous and very expensive hotels (five or four-and-a-half star) where he likes to stay,, or about his mistreatment on first- and business-class flights.

    He must at least have found a hotel to whine about in China. Maybe a first-class flight or two.

    It’s just like a missing factor.

    Many interesting comments on this thread, some where I have something to say, but at over 300 posts here, and work a little later pour moi, will stop here.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  386. Lin says:
    @The seventh shape

    I live in China in a relatively wealthy second tier city and can say that this article is full of exaggeration. Though much of what it says is correct it is still far off being a developed country. For instance, great numbers of people in china live in housing that would be completely unacceptable to the citizens of many SE Asian countries,”
    ………………….
    I totally agree china is a 3rd world country but you’re definitely BSing or exaggerating.Tell me which”relatively wealthy second tier city“? and which many SE Asian countries have such superior housing that Chinese condition is unacceptable? Thailand? Vietnam ?

    high density apartments where your neighbours are breathing down your neck and staring in at your from their window as your look out of yours
    That always happens when one lives in high-rise apartments.
    ………….
    Fact is china produces enormous amount of cement and steel(according to Bill Gates,china produced more cement in 3 years than the US total in 20th century) and the scale of residential construction is mind boggling. I don’t even bother to quote figures.
    …………….
    Yes china is poorer than western countries like US but neither china has homelessness problem like the latter’s.

    • Replies: @Andre Vltchek
  387. denk says:
    @Malla

    YOu guys are running the show in [[[the family]]] , but It wont happen in China ..

    BUt I wont bet against an Indian WMM,

    this guy nails it…

    Pradeep Menon
    ‘indians are unstoppable’
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/another-indian-gets-top-tech-job-to-head-googles-cloud-business/articleshow/66674663.cms

  388. denk says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Please,
    newbie isnt a put down.

    I heard about Sassoon in OPium war, even if its true, thats ages before Israel was born, !

    Anyway,, these are [[[family]]] ventures all the way, abetted by Malla’s clan sometimes, but I dont see the hand of (((the tribe))) at all,

    https://www.unz.com/article/china-trade-war-americas-policy-dilemma/#comment-3333610

    https://www.unz.com/article/china-trade-war-americas-policy-dilemma/#comment-3336118

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Jon Baptist
  389. denk says:
    @Punju

    Yeah its only natural,
    all in the [[[family]]] !

    Malla would approve, he’s an anglophile. 😉

    • Replies: @Malla
  390. @Che Guava

    Eating the Chinese themselves is another option.

    Designing a wokcentration camp now.

  391. I live in New Zealand, a relative wealthy country. Yet in spite of this there is stil much poverty. Children mostly Maories go to school hungry and bare footed. Serious shortage of housing and people sleeping rough in the streets. Big drugs problems and crime. For relative wealthy people New Zealand has much to offer. That’s why we see so many Chinese immigrants, escaping the high rise buildings and lack of privacy in the big cities, many of them starting their own businesses here and buying big farms. They do not leave because of poverty, they leave China because they have the money exactly the same as we see many rich Americans coming to this country and invest their money here. Some may be because of fear of war breaking out.

  392. Sam J. says:
    @Antoine

    “…Fifth, The Chinese are fascist….The countries economy is state manipulated, not state owned, and every large business, corporation, multinational, etc, is run independent of government but by members of the CCP. Every single CEO of every successful Chinese company, every last one of them, is a member of the government and receives government money to undercut international competition. Majority of Chinese companies are not successful financially, but they use the sheer might of the Chinese taxpayer to prop them up and drive out foreign competition with insanely low prices…”

    This is my problem with China. I have the same problem with Japan. There’s no way to complete with another country that has rules and tariffs designed to punish your country while taking advantage of your open trade rules.

    It’s not that I don’t understand the advantages. The USA had very similar policies that raised our country up. I wish we had some of these in the US. Not all though I’m against the centralization of power. Not only there but what we have in the US with Oligarchs who are plugged in to the system controlling everything.

  393. @peterAUS

    At least they have housing of sorts. Unlike the homeless in US tent cities and on the streets. I once saw an dirty old Chinaman in San Francisco pushing a shopping cart around with all his possessions in it. Would have been better off in the old country.

  394. Sam J. says:
    @animalogic

    “…The US has engaged in the neoliberal SIN of interfering in “free markets” via tariffs on Chinese trade & the persecuting of a Chinese CO, all for political /geo-strategic advantage.
    In short the US is shit-scared…”

    There is NO free trade in China. China has and still has massive tariffs and trade controls on products from the US so if we implement them on China we are merely moving to parity. It’s amazing to hear the whining of the Chinese if we just do the same as them.

  395. @anonymous

    What’s this? A towelhead repeating Talmudic slanders against the Trinity? Just goes to show you what a judaised heresy Islam really is.

    http://archive.is/ApI7n

    As for the article, this reads like Chicom propaganda. This is exactly the sort of naive fluff piece you would expect from a journalist tricked by a Soviet Potemkin village. The absurd notion that China has “lifted millions out of poverty” is a favorite talking point of the globalists who see China as a model to impose on the rest of the world. The truth is that outside of urban, coastal areas, most of China is still living in poverty.

    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/china-is-still-really-poor/

    You won’t hear this from the Jew Ron Unz, who takes CCP figures at face value.

    Of course all this China-boosting is predicated on the notion that China is somehow antagonist towards the globohomo world order. It is not, in fact The People’s Republic was the creation of Globalist Jews and has since the 1970’s been propped up by the World Bank and multinationalists.

    Until I saw the documentary “The Revolutionary” at the Philadelphia Independent Film Festival, I mistakenly thought that China during the revolutionary period was one country that had not felt the Jewish embrace. In fact, 85 to 90% of the foreigners helping the Chinese at the time of the Communist takeover were Jewish. This included the daughter of the founder of the brokerage firm Goldman Sachs, who left the comfort of her Park Avenue home to assist the Chinese.

    http://archive.is/ujO7i
    https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-297-china-and-the-new-world-order/
    https://www.corbettreport.com/globalization-2-0-china-ushering-in-newer-shinier-new-world-order/

    China’s economic success was created by trade, after globalist Bill CLinton relaxed trade rules with China.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/25/world/the-china-trade-vote-rounding-out-a-clear-clinton-legacy.html

    Israel is also an eager partner in the Belt and Road Initiative.
    https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/china-and-israel-in-the-belt-and-road-initiative/

    China has always been part of the Globalist strategy. It’s an Orwellian hellhole that imprisons Christians and harvests organs from political prisoners.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Malla
    , @denk
  396. Communist China is currently engaging in drug warfare and money laundering in Western Canada.

    https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2019/01/19/vancouver-one-giant-trump-tower-soviet-chabad-laundro-mansion/

    • Replies: @denk
  397. @Lin

    This must be really some who writes from the moon. I am just now editing my film about Indonesia. Over 60% of people live in urban slums here!

  398. utu says:

    China NEEDS an ENEMY to Survive!

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Malla
  399. @anonymous_from_SEA

    I dislike the use of the word diaspora to describe the overseas Chinese. Diaspora means forced removal from homeland. To describe the overseas Chinese as diaspora is insulting since it evokes a victim mentality. Jews, and slave descended blacks, and refugees should be called diaspora since it was against their choice.

    We need to make a distinction between those that voluntarily left. It is a self selecting group and of more individualistic and adventurous Chinese people so I can see why they feel that way towards mainlanders.

  400. @Republic

    serpentza is an interesting character.

    That’s one word for it. He’s a high school dropout who knocked-up his girlfriend and fled to China when Japan wouldn’t take him in.

    http://www.sonic2kworld.com/blog/controversial-subject-1-winston-sterzel

    Like most expats and “travelers”, he’s a rootless attention whore obsessed with the novelty of foreign lands, and self-consciously trying to transmogrify his proximity to them into some kind of personal sophistication. Expats, especially british expats are the worst kind of parasites. They take a picture of some scenery, wax philosophical about how whatever backwards hellhole they currently live in will outlast the west, then go back to their cheap alcohol and whatever slanty-eyed concubines they picked up because no white woman would have them. In Winston’s case, it was a divorced nurse in her 30’s.

    Sure he’s critical of China now, but that’s only because their policy had begun to affect his personal comfort. Before that point he was more than happy to suck up to Xi and pretend that China had no religious persecution or that Chinese exports were good for everybody like a good little Anglo cuck. He’s an untrustworthy hypocrite.

    • Replies: @last straw
  401. utu says:

    China’s Golden Age is OVER!

    • Replies: @Some Random Anon
  402. Malla says:
    @denk

    but I dont see the hand of (((the tribe))) at all,

    The Sassoons are like Jewish royalty, Sephardics from Iraq or shall we say ancient Babylon.

  403. Malla says:
    @denk

    Malla would approve

    Nope.

  404. Malla says:
    @denk

    even if its true, thats ages before Israel was born, !

    What? seriously!

  405. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Most of the remittance money actually came from low skill Indians in oil arab states.

    That is because most of the poor low class people who go to the Middle East alone as men, leaving behind families behind, who depend on them for their livelihoods. The better offs from the West send money back to their aging parents at best but mostly take their wife and kids with them. A few of the better educated, who go to Dubai/Middle East take their families too.

  406. Malla says:
    @Agent76

    I have always said it, People’s Republic of China is a NWO project. All countries on earth are. If there was one country which was a real challenger to the NWO, it would have been destroyed by now.

  407. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Indian nationalist trolls often take Anglo, German, Scandinavian, Russian or Japanese names and then blabber how India is paradise, Indians are master race, India is future super power etc…. Kind off showing how people of developed first world/ powerful countries also believe the same BS Indian version of Afrocentrist gloat porn.

    Hey you wanna make a lot of money on Youtube. Easy Peezy. If you are White or Yellow, start a channel called ‘awesome India’, ‘ancient India rising again’, ‘India Jagatguru*’ or ‘India superpower’ etc… and just praise B.S. about India. About how all other civilizations, inventions, philosophies etc.. came out of India and this situation will return again in the world. Soon a million Indians will swarm out of nowhere to your videos to hear White/Yellow praise how awesome they are , it will satisfy their souls (gloat porn) and you make loads of money from Jewgle. Pretty neat huh.

    Start one for the dumb Afrocentrists too and make double money. Like how some tribal African dance reminds you of the dances in the Tang Court (this is BS of course nothing could be more opposite of each other), which means the Tang dynasty of China was black! How something from the African forest tribe reminds you of the Aztecs. That means da Aztecs be black. Repeat with how from King Alfred the Great of England to the Samurai of Japan to Jesus to Mohammed to Buddha to Confucius to ancient Greeks, all be black. Easy Peezy.

    *jagatguru = Teacher to the World

    • LOL: Mike P
    • Replies: @Lin
  408. Lin says:
    @Johnny A. Karate

    China’s economic success was created by trade, after globalist Bill CLinton relaxed trade rules with China.
    (I wouldn’t bother with definition of poverty and as I said china is a developing country)
    The above claim is mostly BS. What has US trade/relocating factories to china to do with Chinese economy:
    –Low value added manufacture? It certainly has created employment for rural migrants.But as Chinese economics/demographics changes; the present gen of average young Chinese simply don’t aspire to be cheap factory labours. These jobs are moving out to Vietnam, Bangladesh… If you want to compete with these countries to create min wage seamtress jobs in US, pls go ahead.
    –Med tech? The yankies had a role in Chinese auto industry. That’s all about as far as I can search.
    –Hi-tech? The yanks have harsh embargo on tech transfer to china.
    ……………………..
    The biggest industry in china are steel, auto(mentioned above), hi-speed rail, construction…and you tell me what kind of US roles in such industry?China’s economic success was created by trade?
    ……………..
    You won’t hear this from the Jew Ron Unz, who takes CCP figures at face value.
    Look, Chinese wage and other econ figures are boardly in line with other countries at the same GDP/capita level like brazil, turkey..
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/08/16/china-wage-levels-equal-to-or-surpass-parts-of-europe/#3457db8c3e7f

    China has always been part of the Globalist strategy. It’s an Orwellian hellhole that imprisons Christians and harvests organs from political prisoners.,,
    If you want to believe the above ‘ Orwellian hellhole’ propaganda, fine with me.
    I’m a Christian(of alternative conviction) myself; I’m saddened as well as entertained.
    Psalm 36.6 “The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit”

  409. Republic says:
    @last straw

    Thanks for your comment. So where do you suggest that I go to get an unbiased view of China?

    • Replies: @last straw
  410. Republic says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Thanks for your comment. So where do you suggest that I go to get an unbiased view of China?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  411. Half-Jap says:
    @Lin

    I am glad you agree that might makes right, and sovereignty means as much as the strength of ones arms and good intentions of liberating the barbarians from their own ways.

    • Replies: @Lin
  412. Lin says:
    @Half-Jap

    “I am glad you agree that might makes right..”
    Might does not always make right. Just look at how the yanks bombed the fuck out of the Iraqis.
    I read the soviets spent around 15% of their GDP on their military and see what did it do for them.
    Peace on Earth !!
    (you can take it as a joke; I’m a Christian: During the End Time, Jesus will don a Mao suit, ascend the Tiannaman podium and announce Peace on Earth in mandarin )

    • Replies: @Escher
  413. Lin says:
    @Malla

    Before the last great ice age, all humans had black skin. Then later those resided in northern Europe and northern Asia had their skin ‘bleached’ during the ice-age. Its not incorrect to say Chinese are ‘africans’ with light skin. ( I believe IQ test is just a kind of aptitude test and the scores reflect the environment much more than ‘race’. To hell with all those racial IQ BS.)
    BTW, many might not know that the hero in the first Chinese martial arts fiction(the real person probably had existed but romanticised) was actually a negro or negrito. The story had been made into a TV series in china.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunlun_Nu
    ………..
    The main difference regarding black history in china comparing to say US.. was that the number was small and the import was brief. All the blacks were assimulated into Chinese mainstream without a trace. One might find some Chinese with darker skin; those probably had Australoid genes

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Jon Baptist
  414. Che Guava says:

    Well said, and a good black joke.

    On a srs or sociable note, though, I do (or did) eat whale, and now that we are out of the IWC, intend to do so again when it is available. Whale meat is quite tasty.

    Sparrow, too bony when grilled, I think my Chinese friend had the right idea in frying, if it was hot enough to make the bones crispy, I must ask next time we meet.

    Dog, I would try, friend I met from non-muslim parts of Indonesia and from Korea say that it has a great flavour, but I would want to know that it was specifically from one of the breeds that was bred stupid for use as food (as well as the Chinese, the Polynesians had such breeds), not a kidnapped pet or working dog.

    In any case, I wil likely never eat dog meat. It is still a custom in Korea, but hidden from non-Koreans since the IOC acted as a parasite upon them. Next year, we have the same parisitism.

    As for domertic cats, I don’t lhke them very much. Tihe semi-feral ones in the cities have a ready supply of old cat-ladies to fatten them (and they are always very fat), and the truly feral population in forests, etc, is very large, as in many other places,

    So, although I don’t want to try cat (they spend a lot of time cleaning themselves, but they still stink, as any fool who has visited the house or flat of a cat lover would know, so I would guess that would affect the flavour of the meat), if someone wants to eat it, it seems OK.

    I read, a few months ago, that the number of feral ‘domestic’ cats in Australia is estimated at about three times the human population there, and that they are increasing in size.

    The article was quoting zoologists, so possibly true.

    Great for protecting the unique wildlife that side of the Wallace line.

    I don’t really hate cattus domesticus, I cared for a housecat from a kitten once (died of feline distemper), but I do hate cat-lovers as such.

    I also hate orcs, too, so know what you mean.

    A few are around in central Tokyo. E.g, Moslem men wearing pyjamas, while their wives wear niquab, but because of the racialist dimension of Islamist morons (they do, in a dull way, think such out, e.g, they want to restrict their attacks to European people for now, to fool the rest of us). I will not be fooled At next years mainJy stupid sporting carnival (women’s rugby as one among many stupid new events, many others)

    The often nonsnsical sports of next year give the govt. an incentive to pump up an impression of ‘diversity.

    I would add that not one friend is enthusiastic about the bs, at least most of it is happening near the artificial shore, so not much in central Tokyo, and parts not even in Tokyo (violating the crappy IOC”s own rule, one city, and anything outside the innermost twenty-three wards is not really Tokyo city). However, as I have said before, the local govt. areas where my work is centred (within Tokyo Prefecture) made a bid for the race walking. Ideal courses, much flat road. Variation between ultra-modern buildings, small (and in places past beautiful small parks and remnant farmland, and real, slightly messy, images of the suburban landscape there.

    This would have been a much better and mnre interesting environment for the walkers (I know from experience, my only race walking was on the track, but as a distance runner, I know what course makes it intereting for the runner (not flat, unlike race–walking which IMHO, although I
    think they should probably face the challenge of a few hills), checked the actual routes three or four months ago, no hills.

    They are as boring as hell. To make sure that the background angles are always of the grounds of the Imperial Gardens, or the new scryscrapers both courses (20 and 50 km), are just in front of the palace. Both out and back. It will be so boring for them, the wertern Tokyo proposal would haue been much better, and more enjoyable for the walkers.

    Ecuse my prolixity, but I was disappointed at no response from Vltchk re. his exclusive use of 4 1/2 or 5-star hotels, and first or biz-class flights where possible (and whining about them).

    Regardsto

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  415. Malla says:
    @Lin

    But the African negroid race is very new, about 12000 years ago. They might have been Australoids or some Asian negrito. Besides the difference in between African Negroids, Australoids, White Caucasoids and North East Asian Mongoloids is not just skin colour. There are differences in skull structure and facial features.

    • Replies: @gT
    , @Che Guava
  416. Malla says:
    @Johnny A. Karate

    China was a globalist project from the beginning.

    https://jackmulcaire.wordpress.com/2015/07/20/america-china-part-1-rockefeller-origins/

    “In short, it is true that the United States and China are increasingly rivals for domination of the Asia-Pacific region, but, on a deeper level, the two countries prop each other up and are so integral to each others’ finances, as presently constituted, that they need each other for survival. This situation was the deliberate result of American policies that I’m going to describe here. Understanding the evolution of the co-dependent US-China financial relationship is the key to understanding China’s present economic situation and the strategic future of the Asia-Pacific. Like two leaning towers of Pisa placed side by side, the United States and China hold each other up, even as they press upon each other. A close look at history will reveal that this system of mutual support was the result of a careful process of wise strategic planning, conducted with judiciousness and foresight. This is a story of the triumph of business and capital over politics and culture. I want readers to appreciate the full majesty of this great work, so let’s not skip the earliest days of America’s China project. “

    • Replies: @Google
  417. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Today’s African blacks are not the ancestors of humans outside Africa.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Half-Jap
  418. denk says:
    @utu

    kid,
    I find no evidence.
    Case dismissed.

  419. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    China would do well to wise up to the pitfalls of having blacks, browns(Latinos, South Asians, Southeast Asians), Muslims, homos and Jews in their country. If the US could expel all these groups, we’d be in much better shape.

    • Replies: @Malla
  420. Google says:
    @Anon

    Have you ever been to China? Probably not judging from your comment.

    She’s not receiving special treatment because she’s white, Chinese people are kind to one another and they like to give free stuff to one another, there’s even term for it called “Re Qing”, if you watch the video she says exactly that. China isn’t white worshiping country, white worship is in Southeast Asia.

    Your video was years ago and it was isolated case. Western propaganda makes it like that’s how it is in China, it’s similar to point out that Europe is poor and backward by using Moldova as example.

    But then, propaganda works best against ignorant low IQ people, so I guess, you’re not very bright are you?

  421. Google says:
    @Malla

    Yes China was globalists project. They used Mao as front man, hence Mao did the cultural revolution, to destroy Chinese civilization and society. But China’s immune system worked that’s why Mao was overthrown. Modern day China is free of globalists, that’s why western media demonizes China 24/7.

    • Replies: @Malla
  422. Franklin says:

    Andre I don’t know why you bother answering these racist retards. I bet they’ve never set foot outside of their soon to be ‘shithole’ country/ies.
    It boggles the mind how dumb arse some of these people are. Wow.

  423. denk says:
    @Johnny A. Karate

    We now have enough sample size to confirm B.S. is built into murikkan DNA indeed.

    QED.

  424. denk says:
    @Johnny A. Karate

    The truth is that outside of urban, coastal areas, most of China is still living in poverty.

    Even if true, how does it disprove ‘billions have been lifted out of poverty’ ?

    China’s economic success was created by trade, after globalist Bill CLinton relaxed trade rules with China.

    Ge, Boeing making big bucks in China, while CIA tried to break it up.
    That’d be your style wouldnt it,
    the murkkan way.

    Jews created China

    Really , not sure about that.
    What we DO know is, murkkans like China so much , they’d like more of it,
    like broken into 13 pieces !

    IMprison xtians

    murkkans are such dumb fucks.
    Xi should’ve kicked out all the xtians,
    witting/unwitting patsies for the [[[family]]].

    Orwellian

    kiddo,
    that’d be unitedsnakes, down to a t.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  425. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Very True. But China does not give citizenship to foreigners easily. Hope that policy of theirs remains.

  426. Malla says:
    @Google

    I am not 100% convinced that today’s China has nothing to do with the Globalists. But if you are correct (there is a good probability you are), this is Good News indeed. Then I am on China’s side.

  427. Malla says:
    @utu

    Anti-foreignerism was rampant in China way before Mao. From the late 1800s at least. Remember the Boxer Revolution.

  428. gT says:
    @Malla

    Patience Malla, patience. “The Olmecs are regarded as the first civilization to develop in Mesoamerica and the Olmec heartland is one of six cradles of civilization worldwide, the others being the Norte Chico culture of South America, the Erlitou culture of China’s Yellow River, the Indus Valley Civilization of the Indian subcontinent, the civilization of ancient Egypt in Africa, and the Sumerian civilization of ancient Iraq.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec_colossal_heads

    The Olmecs are famous for their African looking skulls, though they might not have come from Africa. But lookie at this link, its even got some skull proportions discussions in it

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec_alternative_origin_speculations

    “Some researchers have argued that the Olmec civilization came into existence with the help of Chinese refugees, particularly at the end of the Shang dynasty.”

    Where there is smoke there is fire, hopefully one day there will be sufficient evidence to prove conclusively exactly what was going on during the time of the Shang Dynasty, which falls in the period after the last ice age.

    You are right about Blacks only existing in the last 12000 years, I read somewhere that Whites have only existed in the last 6000-8000 years, or something like that. The last ice age ended about 12000 years ago. We barely know what was going on human civilization wise post ice age. What was going on human civilization wise during the last ice age, all of which got drowned when the continental ice sheets melted, is something that really needs to be determined.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  429. Joe Wong says:
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous[427], you are a Chinese? You sound more like a CIA and NED broken record stuck in racist propaganda troll.

    Why do you want to attack someone in the first place? Isn’t attacking barbaric, destructive, warmongering, disgusting, foul mouthing, uneducated, rude, bad manner, intrusive, evil spirited, morally defunct, blood thirty, sinful, backwardness, … ? Why do you see harmful attacking is a good manner? While condemning peaceful interaction in a different manner is beyond logical explanation. Your odd mindset definitely is not Chinese, more like a Western doublethink.

    If you hate your Chinese appearance so much, please do yourself a favour, take modern cosmetic surgery to remove any Chinese trait form your body. We Chinese do not need bad applies in our community.

  430. Joe Wong says:
    @Anonymous

    The White call people like you self-orientalist. Please do yourself a favour, take some modern cosmetic surgery to remove any Chinese trait form your body. We, Chinese, have a proud ancient civilization to keep, and we do not need bad applies in our community.

  431. Malla says:
    @gT

    Actually the Olmecs were mostly Native Americans

    The Olmec Faces are Black African? Debunked!

    However there were Australoid blacks in the Americas before Mongoloids even went there. That I agree.

    I do not know about skin colour or eye colour but Caucasian skulls have been found in Africa, in South Africa of all the places.

    The Hofmeyr Cranium: Eurasians Pre-Date Sub-Saharans By Thousands Of Years

    The Hofmeyr Skull resembles those of Upper Paleolithic European skulls, they are distinctly Caucasoid. The Hofmeyr Skulls do not resemble Khoi San or Negroids at all. It is actually much older than the earliest found Khoi San skull let alone any Negroid Skull. BTW according to Coon (1982)the Upper Paleolithic European skulls have remained unchanged to today’s Europeans. According to Howells paper in 1997, the Upper Paleolithic European people had skulls like today’s Europeans distinct from Negroids.

    Caucasians in Africa :32-40,000BC found Hofmeyr South African Cape

    • Replies: @gT
  432. Joe Wong says:
    @Anonymous

    The White call people like you self-orientalist. Please do yourself a favour, take some modern cosmetic surgery to remove any Chinese trait form your body. We, Chinese, have a proud longest continuous ancient civilization on the earth to keep, and we do not need bad applies in our community.

  433. Malla says:
    @gT

    We barely know what was going on human civilization wise post ice age. What was going on human civilization wise during the last ice age, all of which got drowned when the continental ice sheets melted, is something that really needs to be determined.

    Very true, there is a lot to be discovered and studied. I agree.

  434. Che Guava says:
    @denk

    What do you mean by 13 pieces? That is an odd thing to say, so a srs question.

    • Replies: @denk
  435. Joe Wong says:
    @Anonymous

    The White call people like you self-orientalist. The “flaws” you are trolling are fabrications from the white trash racist labs in the CIA, NED and the Albert Einstein Institution. The Americans and their lackeys are simply jealous, resentful and fearful of Chinese achievements. They cannot rid of their mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism and constrained by the zero-sum cold war and beggar-thy-neighbour mentality, all they can do is to bad-mouthing Chinese in all aspect of life to soothe their failure and decline.

    You have an identity crisis. You are lost, you are not accepted by the Chinese or the Western societies, you are wondering mindlessly in outcast land, and you are bitter and angry of your own misfit. The current rioters in HK should be your good companions.

    China published a red warrant list, few hundreds of them are in the USA, and the USA refuses to extradite them back to China. It proves the USA is morally defunct and is aiding criminals to escape laws. Except for students and expatriates, the rest of the mainlanders in the USA are the same as you; to the Americans, whether you like it or not, you are Chicom and Fu Manchu.

    Multiculturalism is the international civilized liberal norm. Every minority has the right to maintain their culture and way of life, it is the majority’s responsibility to provide a safe space for the minority’s culture to prosper unless you are racist then you are an endangered species, you will be hunt down by the White supremacists.

  436. Joe Wong says:
    @Wally

    Blaming others with fabricated accusations is not going get the USA out of decline and failure. Take hold yourself, Americans, no other imperialists lost their empires as disgraceful as the American.

  437. @denk

    Please, newbie isnt a put down.

    Now you’re gaslighting.
    You intentionally sloughed off Sassoon’s rape of China.

    • Replies: @denk
  438. Joe Wong says:
    @Chinaman

    You call those shitty structures in Nara lost civilization of Tang\Song? You shameless unrepentant war criminal Japanese or their mentally colonized Jap wannabe Taiwanese surely know how to fake history shamelessly. In Japanese historical artefacts, the Japanese even can’t write the Chinese properly, and you call it civilization? OMG.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  439. Joe Wong says:
    @peterAUS

    Australia’s housing market and economy bear the truth of the author’s statement “….the better China becomes, the more it cares about its people, as well as people all over the world…” When China pulled its money out of Australia, Australia economy goes into a slump, leaving newly built ghost towns all over the place and mines closed down.

    • Replies: @Malla
  440. @Republic

    Thanks for your comment. So where do you suggest that I go to get an unbiased view of China?

    A better question is, where can you get less biased view of China”? The answer is: don’t be lazy. Diversify your sources. Some commentators here concentrate on “China Uncensored” and serpentza only, while ignoring tons of other sources that provide a much more nuanced view about China, that come with ample, thoughtful, and constructive criticisms. That’s laziness.

    You should look at multiple sources. But again, don’t be lazy. Think a little bit, do not take anything you see at face value. Be vigilant. Be aware that a new version of “Operation Mockingbird” may be in force, which is aimed at destroying China instead of the Soviet Union. That’s the only way you can form an informed, more objective view about China.

  441. @Johnny A. Karate

    This is just great. A clownish anchorman runs Falun Gong’s “China Uncensored” clown show, while some white trash brings us the “serpentza show”.

  442. @Lin

    I believe IQ test is just a kind of aptitude test and the scores reflect the environment much more than ‘race’. To hell with all those racial IQ BS.

    Lin, I’m with you on this point fully.

    If traditional culture and language are lost, what does skin color matter? Antifa and the White Nationalists are nothing more than proxy warriors used to promote conflict and to create divisions. The mongrelizer’s best friend is the homogenizer. Divide and conquer.
    Bread and Circuses. While the public is focused on the fabricated chaos presented in the field of play, people in the backroom are counting all the gate receipts. In this case, all those associated with the Central Banks and Corporatism.

    China is the epitome of the Globalist project. Social credits anyone? Has Apple stopped producing iPad’s in China? No. Has Chinese mining for precious metals been deterred in the slightest? No.

    “The BIS’s mission is to serve central banks in their pursuit of monetary and financial stability, to foster international cooperation in those areas and to act as a bank for central banks.” –
    https://www.bis.org/country/china.htm

    A local and family-based society are what Globalists despise. It’s a common theme in the CFR’s literature. The animal kingdom locally maintains itself on the natural order without the help of mankind. It is for that reason alone that we should despise Globalism. It is not natural.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Lin
  443. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    On the same fallacy, the Americans believe the American rebuilt China as Mike Pence shamelessly declared and stole their non-existence 5G technology. Meanwhile, the Indian only can relay the American fallacy to soothe their unearned nationhood is a gift of the British monarch.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  444. @Republic

    For the US and China trade, Google Yukon Huang. Chinese American economist. He also gives a pretty good insight into how Chinese economy works. He gets drown out by the countless China bashers.

    For a look at how all the asian tiger economies work, read Friedrich list. German economist on state/command/political(name can be whatever, I honestly don’t know what to call it) economy.

    Finding a definitive source in English is almost impossible, if the English version of aljazeera can be taken over and start pumping out anti China articles and videos, nothing is safe IMO.

    I use Reddit alot. A simple search of the news subgroups = 99% negative China bashing. And most comments reads like written by mindless, brainwashed retards. It is my opinion that if the Chinese public can read English news, they will all become staunch Chinese nationalists. An American reporter actually tweeted that honest reporting on China isn’t needed since China is not a democracy :p. Jeeez.

  445. Lin says:
    @Jon Baptist

    If traditional culture and language are lost, what does skin color matter? Antifa and the White Nationalists are nothing more than proxy warriors used to promote conflict and to create divisions.
    While ‘categorically’ you are correct, one should not lose sight of the future. I’m not sure if it’s good or bad but it might happen(something I posted @robert Lindsay’s site before):
    Its the year 2066,&you’re an unemployed conscious android/robot;what would u do?
    Lets me guess, the freebies demand list:

    1)free electricity to keep the body parts active. Android lives matter…
    2)Free service pacts upgrade and worn out mechanical parts replacement
    3)Free OS to fix AIDS(Artificial Intelligence Degeneration syndrom)
    –Campaign for old gen robot slavery reparation. Many of the old gen robots worked round the clock no kidding
    –Special leniency for crimes committed by robots…Look, don’t blame me,I’m programmed that way(or I forgot to run the latest service pact)
    –What about the claim that u’re innately inferior becos u’re made in an earlier product cycle and is beyond further upgrade? F**k that,its machine racism.
    ……………………………..
    It’s important to be able to link and have a sense of lineage with the past but I must emphasize that it doesn’t mean restorationalism nor nostalgia for its own sake. The future is already starring at us
    ……………………
    Another issue: What are religions? It could be:
    a)Aspirations of sublimed individuals like Jesus
    b)Theocratic control: Like RC church in medieval Europe or caste segregation in Hindustan.
    c)Moral system to enforce family and social cohesion.
    d)(Sadly, often it’s)A racial/ethnic tag, like muslim burqa or ‘protecting Christian values’to justify whatever causes. Judaism, islam and Hinduism are good example of religions as vehicle of tribal/ethnic interest.
    My intuition is traditional religions will suffer decline(good examples are islam, southern Baptist church) and new religions might emerge.
    –The biggest strength of Christianity IMO is de-legitimization of polygamy.

  446. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    On the same fallacy, the Americans believe the American rebuilt China as Mike Pence shamelessly declared and stole their non-existence 5G technology.

    Nope, Communist China was a Western elite project all along. All Communist countries were created by Western banking elites. Mao was a Yali. Rockefeller recommend Stalin to help Mao. China was created for a reason by the Western Zio elites.
    Communism and Judaism are very close, ask Rabbi Weiss.
    China is a just a test tube.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  447. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    Meanwhile, the Indian only can relay the American fallacy to soothe their unearned nationhood is a gift of the British monarch.

    Most Indians do not know that their nationhood was unearned. So I do not know what you are blabbering. You are one case which makes me wonder if the Chinese IQ is really high. “Chinese are smart people” my mind says until I come across Joe Wong. Then I have doubts.

  448. gT says:
    @Malla

    Ok, you are concentrating on the skulls, I’m concentrating on the skin colour, white skins only evolved within the last 8000 years. Before that those with those “Caucasoid” skulls had dark skins.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

    But thanks for the Olmec info, never came across that debunking before.

    • Replies: @Malla
  449. Brenden says:

    If I didn’t know any better, I would guess this was written by some propaganda minister from the central government. Improvements have been made in China over the past couple decades, but this article is laughable. I’m guessing the author is some kind of true believer. “We just haven’t done it right! Don’t you see?!”

  450. denk says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Nonsense.

    As stated,I dont see Israel plays any role in the sino/US conflicts, which’r all murikkan initiated.

    Especially for Opium war, when Israel wasnt even born yet. !

    How’s that a ‘whitewashing‘ of Sassoon, ?

    What can be ascertained is that a Chinese official burned tons of Opiums and wrote to the Queen pleading her to stop the flow of deadly cargoes.

    Her majesty[sic] responded with gunboats up the Yangtze.

    The rest is history.

    five hundreds of covert/overt assaults on
    China by [[[the family]]].

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  451. @denk

    In a Haaretz article in 2012, the headline reads, “This Day in Jewish History/ 1864: Global Trade Tycoon David Sassoon Dies”

    The writer, in an Israeli newspaper, accurately writes about Sassoon’s business empire. He does not either divert or shy away from the fact that Sassoon, “an observant Jew,” held the monopoly on the Opium trade . “When China’s emperor tried to outlaw the drug, which cut a wide swathe of destruction through the population of the country’s coastal regions, the British responded with war.”

    Interesting how the Brits are brought to war when Jewish interests are involved.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1864-tycoon-david-sassoon-dies-1.5196948

    • Replies: @Malla
  452. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    Indians need to out-perform the ‘God-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘puritans’ in lying and manufacturing consent in order to prove their existence.

    • Replies: @Malla
  453. Half-Jap says:
    @Malla

    As with my ongoing research on ante-deluvian and even electric universe theory derivation of our history, I can easily accept the biodiversity of us humanoids, as so many castrophes have befallen our kinds, perhaps as back as 80k years ago, or more precise numbers, if one follows the clock cycle hypothesis of others.
    In any event, we are a big biological family, but we have developed differences. And it seems like the bearded whites with manbags that had the surviving tech the last cycle to get the other hominids going again after the catastrophe.

    • Agree: Malla
  454. Malla says:
    @gT

    It admitted in my post (437) that I am not sure about skin, eye or hair colour but only that the Caucasian skulled populations on Earth are much older than Negroids and even Khoi San.

    • Replies: @gT
  455. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    in lying and manufacturing consent in order to prove their existence.

    What does this even mean? Your stupid posts give me a headache.

  456. Malla says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Just like how the Jews got the allies in a war against the Axis and how they got America in a war in Iraq. Long tradition.

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  457. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    , stalled in the old days of colonialism

    Colonialism??? You mean this??

    South Africa “Youth Leader” Julius Malema Doesn’t Want China Colonising Africa

    • Replies: @Lin
  458. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    When China pulled its money out of Australia, Australia economy goes into a slump, leaving newly built ghost towns all over the place and mines closed down.

    Yeah, before Chinese money went to Australia, Australia did not exist? Australia existed as a First World Country before Chinese money went there and Australia will exist after Chinese money leaves.

    Life in Australia: Melbourne

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Chinaman
    , @Joe Wong
  459. denk says:
    @Che Guava

    YOu see, murikkans love China so much, they want more of it, so they get the CIA/MI6 to break up China into pieces.

    Perhaps they’d prefer 51 pieces, one for each state.

    hehehe

    ———————–

  460. denk says:

    [All tags not working]

    Republic
    ‘. So where do you suggest that I go to get an unbiased view of China?’

    This is the basic tenet….
    All claims and accusations are subject to verification.
    Especially for MSM, dubious ‘alternate media’ like
    0hedge, never mind known CIA fronts like CU….

    Can the claims be verified, what about the identity
    of the so-called ‘witness’, the veracity of his ‘testimony’ ?

    By this yardstick, when credulous murkkans dump
    tons of videos, links that purportedly prove China’s
    ‘crimes’, I dont even bother to read/watch them.

    hehehhe

  461. @Malla

    Malla, yes, fully agree. Very long tradition. There’s also the Bolsheviks and their Cheka.
    “We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.”
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    • Replies: @Malla
  462. denk says:

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    Jon Baptist
    ‘Interesting how the Brits are brought to war when Jewish interests are involved.’

    These days, the Brits cousins are minding the store
    over in Washington., doing exactly the same kind of
    ‘business’, as hitman for Exxon, BP, BHP, Halliburton, AIPAC and….how can we miss out the MIC !

    That’s why when Trump and his fanboys whine about alleged link bet Huawei and CCP, its really the ultimate in hypocrisy, but thats par for the course with [[[the family]]] innit ?

  463. Anon[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Australia is now 25% nonwhite. More so in the cities.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @sb
  464. Chinaman says:
    @Joe Wong

    It is well known that there is only one existing Tang wooden structure in China. I will be very glad to be proven wrong in this case. They all got burned down or destroyed.

    http://en.chinaculture.org/classics/2012-11/20/content_446269.htm

    I was in Xian and very disappointed with the historical sites and their preservation. Unvarnished truth is the first step to redemption. Shitty or not, some of the Temples and pagoda in Nara were built by Chinese hands. It is our common history, as much Chinese as it is Japanese. We should thank the Japanese for preserving I get a glimpse of what 長安 might have looks like when I go to Nara, I don’t get that sense when I go to the actual site, it is sad.

    I am a Chinese that was born and lives in Hong Kong China . You know where I stand when I say that. 槍頭往外.

    • Replies: @Lin
  465. Chinaman says:
    @Malla

    I was in Melbourne for many years before the Chinese money arrived. Aussie are the most racist and xenophobic assholes which probably due to them been being the hicks of the white people. Americans don’t even come close to their genocide credentials, I think they killed off most of the aboriginals until they are really an endangered species now. Shameless when they lecture China on human rights and freedom. Due to its origin as a penal colony, the population have genetic predisposition to crime and they have the highest rate of schizophrenia among western countries. ( from my recollection 20 years ago, need to fact check) ). Lots of loonies and drug heads from what I recall.. It is a pretty crappy place that I don’t care to visit again.the Chinese definitely made a positive contribution there.

    • Replies: @Malla
  466. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    Gmachine, listen: the followings are bullshit,pure and simple:”Shitty or not, some of the Temples and pagoda in Nara were built by Chinese hands. It is our common history, as much Chinese as it is Japanese. We should thank the Japanese for preserving..”
    ……..
    Facts is it is difficult for wooden structures to last so long(tang dynasty lasted from 618 to 907 AD). Many old wooden structure the world over were burnt down and rebuilt or simply became termite fodder.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  467. Lin says:
    @Malla

    Eh? “South Africa “Youth Leader” Julius Malema Doesn’t Want China Colonising Africa
    Some facts:
    –S. Africa economically is more developed than many African countries, like they have a coal liquefaction(coal to hydrocarbon)industry.
    –You can also find some ‘youth leaders’ doing your political biddings. Examples:though Pakistan depends on china for many things, I can also find pak muslims in US who verbally support dalia lama in their attempts to kiss yankie ‘liberal’ asses.
    …………………
    a milder example: You can find many liberal ‘leftist’ Indians who are anti-modi because they want to identify with western ‘liberals’. Arundathi Roy is a good example

    • Replies: @Malla
  468. gT says:
    @Malla

    My gripe is with the Caucasian word. Caucasian means White Asian, as in Whites came from Asia, which is true-ish. But why that skull type is called Caucasian when that skull type existed long before the white skin did I don’t know. Its like trying to give the impression that Whites existed before Blacks and KhoiSan in South Africa, which is false. But this is just my pet gripe with some terminology for skull types.

    I even checked to see if that Hofmeyr skull is not listed as some Apartheid fake, but it is genuine, though it doesn’t fall into the “Caucasian” skull category.

    “Contrary to what I’ve seen in written a couple of sites, this isn’t a Caucasian skull. It’s got a mix of characteristics. Although Hofmeyr is similar in size to Eurasian UP crania, it differs from them in other respects (such as its broad nose and continuous supraorbital tori). that said, it does measure up closer to EUP crania than anything … The Hofmeyr cranium is consistent with the hypothesis that UP Eurasians descended from a population that emigrated from sub- Saharan Africa in the Late Pleistocene.”

    https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/the-hofmeyr-skull/

    The full writeup is on

    https://www.academia.edu/14452955/Late_Pleistocene_Human_Skull_from_Hofmeyr_South_Africa_and_Modern_Human_Origins

    • Replies: @Malla
  469. Chinaman says:
    @Lin

    Have you been to Nara? I been there 3 times. I do my research. I don’t know where you get the audacity to make these claims without first running a google search.. Are you saying there are no wooden structures in the world that are older than 1000 years? I am assuming you can read the link below which will enlighten your understanding of the cultural linkage between Japan and China.

    https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-hant/%E5%94%90%E6%8B%9B%E6%8F%90%E5%AF%BA
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C5%8Dry%C5%AB-ji

    • Replies: @Lin
  470. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Julius Malema is the opposite of Western liberals. he is a firebrand Black nationalist. Of course many White liberals fawn over people like him for the simple reason that he is anti-White.

    • Replies: @Lin
  471. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    I am sure about loonies and drugheads but from seeing video, Australia seems a far better place than most of the World. If hicks of the white people, can build up a first world country, far better than most third wold nations on Earth that is actually a compliment for the White race.

    Aboriginals were very few in number anyways. And if Australia would have been an aboriginal country, it would have been like Papua New Guinea. No Chinese or Indian would be seeking Australian nationality then. How many Chinese or Indians dream of settling down in Papua New Guinea or wish to study in Port Moresby university? That is what Australia would have been if YT had not taken over.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  472. Malla says:
    @gT

    Its like trying to give the impression that Whites existed before Blacks and KhoiSan in South Africa, which is false. But this is just my pet gripe with some terminology for skull types.

    No I said, I do not know about skin colour. All I am saying is that populations much more similar to White people pre dated negroids in Africa.

    descended from a population that emigrated from sub- Saharan Africa in the Late Pleistocene.

    Which is not the same as Sub Saharan African Negroids. I hope that is clear.

    My gripe is with the belief that just because humans left Africa, it means that the African blacks we see are the source population of humanity outside Africa. This is the impression that many have which is completely wrong. Blacks and many leftards equate ‘Africa’ with African Negroid blacks.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17218524

    “The skull is morphologically modern overall but displays some archaic features. Its strongest morphometric affinities are with Upper Paleolithic (UP) Eurasians rather than recent, geographically proximate people.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/science/11cnd-skull.html

    “Because the Bushmen are well represented in the more recent archaeological record, Dr. Harvati said, they were expected to bear a close resemblance to the Hofmeyr skull. Instead, the skull was found to be quite distinct from all recent Africans, including the Bushmen, she said, and it has “a very close affinity” with fossil specimens of Europeans living in the Upper Paleolithic, the period best known for advanced stone tools and cave art.

    “Much to my amazement,” Dr. Grine said in an interview, “the skull linked very closely with those from Europe at the time and not with South African remains 15,000 years on.””

    I am not interested in White skinned people being older than blacks. All I am saying is that black Negroids are most probably not the source population of people out of Africa.

    • Replies: @gT
  473. MBlanc46 says:

    I hope that the Chinese government pays well.

  474. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    Look,gmachine, unlike you, I’m always a careful poster(the CMFers know that),(I might make jokes but),and I don’t bullshit.
    I said “Facts is it is difficult for wooden structures to last so long” and I didn’t say its impossible.
    “Todai-ji temple has been reconstructed every time it burned down by big fires thanks to the significant effort of many people. ”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Ddai-ji
    ………..
    And you’re so ignorant of the fire damage done to the Notre Dame which has wooden frame and wooden interior?
    …..
    Your stupidity is so entertaining.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  475. Lin says:
    @Malla

    The relationship between 3rd world ‘radicals’ and US imperial establishment is often opportunistic, much more than ‘pro’ or ‘against’. Like the CIA has fostered a number of jehadists groups(al Qaeda is a good example)to fight against the soviets, iran and other groupings they want to topple.
    …..
    I doubt Julius Malema is above taking bribes to fight against ANC.

    • Replies: @Malla
  476. Malla says:
    @Lin

    I doubt Julius Malema is above taking bribes to fight against ANC.

    That is possible but we cannot say for sure. Actually the ANC itself was very close to the US imperial establishment. The US Zio elite establishment used their ANC pets to bring down Apartheid South Africa for their own interest.
    But you are right, I would say nearly all third world ‘radicals’ have been pets of the GlobohomoZio elites.
    For example take Edwin Montague, the Jewish secretary State of British India in the 1920s who wrote in his Montague Clemsford Report that the British Seep State would itself create Indian nationalism! It is only after Montague that magically the ‘Indian Freedom Struggle’ became a mass movement which eventually led to the dissolution of the British Empire in South Asia.

    But then, we have this Prof PLO Lumumba fellow, who is anti West as well as anti China. Saying the Africans need to kick out all foreigners both the Western interests as well as Chinese interests out of Africa permanently as both are exploiters of the black Africans. Very forceful speaker and becoming very popular among African youth.

    Prof PLO Lumumba – Robust Speech on China buying up Africa.

    Prof PLO Lumumba – “Africa is on dinner table Eaten by Superpowers”

  477. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Australia might turn into a Third World nation like most of the Western World. In the future, Aussies will have to escape to Russia.

  478. Chinaman says:
    @Lin

    You said I was bullshitting that Chinese built some of the temples and pagoda in Nara and I tried to substantiate it with a link of a monk from Tang who did exactly that. Then you want to argue semantics and start throwing 6 grade insults. Anyway, I hope my “stupidity” will inspire you and others to visit Nara one day because it is worth visiting. It is more chinese than china today…sad but true

    An famous chinese architect, Liang sicheng saved Kyoto from barbarian’s bombing during WW2 so it must have meant it have a huge significance to all Chinese.

    https://radiichina.com/did-chinese-architect-liang-sicheng-save-the-historic-sites-of-kyoto/

    • Replies: @Lin
  479. Malla says:
    @Jon Baptist

    “We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.”

    Agreed. Thanks for the film.

  480. Chinaman says:
    @Malla

    I hope you are not judging Melbourne just based on a video made in the 60s or whatever, just as you wouldn’t judge China just from the Bund in shanghai. I think Americans should really travel more.

    I can show you places in Melbourne which will make you ashamed to be white and you can do the same with outskirt shanghai.

  481. gT says:
    @Malla

    Agreed, the current black Negroids and the current KhoiSan are definitely not the source population of people out of Africa.

  482. sb says:
    @Anon

    Have you ever actually spent time in Australia ?

  483. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    Your words:”You said I was bullshitting that Chinese built some of the temples and pagoda in Nara ..”
    Look, I never said that’s the focus of your BS nor I denied Chinese were involved in building some of the Japanese temples
    You were saying Chinese didn’t preserve buddhist culture/artifacts in good shape but Japanese did.
    And I pointed out precisely fire regularly destroyed wooden buddhist temple/artifacts no matter how hard people tried to preserve it. And you keep on denying this simple feature of nature.
    ……………….
    Even more important non-wooden landmark like the US ‘Presidential Mansion’was burned down during the 1812 US-British Canadian war. The present ‘White House’ was built as a replacement.
    …………..
    Your ignorance was truly astounding.

  484. Che Guava says:

    Alright, I get it, and it is amusing, but will present a serious estimate of the max. number of pieces, in rough historical order.

    1. The ancient Korean-majority kingdoms of Koguryeo, and its predecessor Puyeo, still largely Korean populations inside China. Both Koreas make occasional noise about this.

    2. Tibet at times when the Chinese empire was paying no attention to them.

    3. The former British colony H.K.

    4. Taiwan under Japanese rule.

    5. East Turkestan mark I as set up by the USSR while the latter still existed and was still blatantly under Jewish rule, before Stalin put them down, in response to which he was later murdered by Jewish doctors. A fool to have trusted them. The mark II version of this state emerged through a murky collaboration of Turkey and Japan during Japan’s attempted invasion of China, and didn’t amount to much.
    It is little discussed, and I think it was later than the final two on my list.

    6. Manchuria, or Manshuukoku, a puppet staute set up by Japan mainly to use Pu Yi Aisin Goro (the Last Emperor, I recommend both Bertolucicci’s film and the first half of the Chinese publication on which it is based, as accurate) as the figurehead. The second half of the book gets boring, composed in Great Proletarian times, so Pu Yi was clearly under duress, if he really wrote it at all, though parts are worth reading.

    7. I forget the political name of the state, but Japan also set up a puppet state in what is now inner Mongolia.

    So , that is seven possibilities, not thirteen. Also do not forget that the original inhabitants of Taiwan were like the jungle people of the Philipenes,

  485. Che Guava says:

    The fact that, before long ago invasions from China, the true native population is just about gone.

    The key lens through wiich to view Taiwan is that it’s polity of now was set t up by Chiang Kai Shek. It was supposed to be the legit. Chinese govt. in exile. I agree with that to an extent (anyone who has studied the history of that time will know that the only fighers were the Nationalists, until the uSsR gave the Cpc a safe base in Manchuria at the end of the war, they did almost nothing before it.

    Only engaged with Japanese forces once. Pathetiic. Also true.

    Other facts , though, the nationalists chose Taiwan, really Republic of China as their refuge, repdnsitory of money, and c. Sure, they also siot a lot of Chinese people there. In the end, they are joined at the hip..

    Now, the mainland whines about art treasures, that they were removed saved them frnm being smashed in the ‘Cultural Revolutiom’, Doesn’t seem a aad idea, ro they still exist nnw.

  486. Malla says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    myth of white “high IQ” superiority and “scientific racism”

    What are you? An idiot? So called scientific racism has always been proving than East Asians have a higher IQ than Whites.

  487. denk says:

    [no reply button !]
    Che guava 490

    Thats a good analysis.
    But dont give fresh idea to the CIA, SOBS
    would lose no time to put it in practice !

  488. Che Guava says:
    @Malla

    You understate the differences. The ‘out of Africa 50, 000 years ago is absolute bullsHt, except for Australian aborigines and Dravidians in India. Possibly also some Melanesians.

    Fossil records in all of Eurasia refute that nonsensical claim.

    A point of humour, although Negraws pretty much wiped out the remnant tribes of that migration. they seem to have interbred ennugh, and preferred enough, giganttic posterinrs on women.

    Whtness the moron Kim Kardasian having gigantic bum implants to please her husband.

    Funny, also obvious.

    If you have not read of the acquatic theory, IMHO, you should. It is vesrboten racism, but explaimr much.

    • Replies: @Malla
  489. @Joe Wong

    Here comes another one of Chicom’s fifty cents army, Joe Wong, joining his fellow recruit “Chinaman” in proving Anonymous [427]’s point of Chinese being thin skin and lacking introspection.

    The Aussies said it best: Two Wongs Don’t Make A White.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Joe Wong
  490. @utu

    Serpentza is the real deal. I believe everything he says about China. He needs to ditch the China wife and move out of China. Those dog-eat-dog people will eat him for lunch. Move to some place more civilized, like Japan or Singapore.

    • Replies: @Ber
  491. @Joe Wong

    Multiculturalism is the international civilized liberal norm. Every minority has the right to maintain their culture and way of life, it is the majority’s responsibility to provide a safe space for the minority’s culture to prosper…

    Negative. Multiculturalism is a failed concept. “Safe space” is a stupid concept invented by parasitic Jews and faggots. If you want to maintain your culture and way of life, stay in your home country. If you immigrate, adopt the new culture and assimilate or you are just an invader and should be deported. In the old days you’d just be slaughtered. The only place anyone wants to see a Chinese or Indian face is inside China or India. You parasites have your own countries, stop invading others’ and turning them into shitholes like the ones you came from. GTFO.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  492. Chinaman says:
    @Some Random Anon

    Sir, It concur with you that two Wong will not make up for the deficit in white Aussie IQ.

    I think Chinese Immigration or any immigration to Australia is a good thing.

    It will increase the average IQ of both countries.

  493. Chinaman says:
    @Some Random Anon

    I agree with your analysis. Races are better kept apart. I think a long term and more palatable solution is for China to invade Australia and do upon the Australians what they did to the aboriginals.

    Australia is easy picking for China in this day and age. As China achieve power parity with the US, it is only a matter of time this happen. I love to see who will dare come to Australia’s defense.

    White people should never be in this part of the world in the first place. Time to send them back..

    • Replies: @Some Random Anon
  494. Ber says:
    @Some Random Anon

    Nathan Rich’s comments on Serpentza:

    • Replies: @Some Random Anon
  495. Bliss says:
    @Chinaman

    current culture in China is just a cheap imitation of the lost civilization of Tang/Song. Chinese culture ended when the last emperor and 100,000 courtier drowned when chased by mongols.

    The founder of the glorious Tang Dynasty, Emperor Gaozu:

    His son Emperor Taizong, cofounder of the Tang Dynasty, one of the greatest rulers of China:

    The founder of the Song Dynasty, Emperor Taizu:

    I have a question for the Chinese posters. Who are all these dark people of early China (often with large ears and large detached earlobes) whose portraits are so common? Why do they look so different from contemporary Chinese? What happened to them?

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Chinaman
    , @Malla
  496. Che Guava says:
    @Che Guava

    As forVltchk, I stick to my earlier comment ‘phony as a three-dollar bill. ‘

  497. Escher says:
    @Lin

    Jesus had returned to earth as Mao Tse Tung. We just don’t know it yet.

    • Replies: @Lin
  498. Lin says:
    @Bliss

    Who are all these dark people of early China (often with large ears and large detached earlobes) whose portraits are so common? Why do they look so different from contemporary Chinese? What happened to them?
    –It’s old Chinese belief long ear lobe is a sign of long life
    –I don’t think they were ‘darker’ than modern Chinese; could be 1)coloring for contrast or 2)taboo that men with fair skin are considered effeminate.

  499. Lin says:
    @Escher

    Jesus had returned to earth as Mao Tse Tung..”
    I’m a Christian of alternative conviction(that I revere Jesus as a moral giant) but I don’t belong to any religion.BTW,christianity as practiced today was established by his disciples, not by himself. He didn’t preach to gentiles.
    Simple Question: Who’s God/Yahweh?
    Simple answer: Lucifer is ‘Lord of the air’ and Yahweh is Father in Heaven, so God is a powerful extra-terrestrial alien(who can pick up whatever gender or a hermaphrodite).His relation with humans on Earth is like a biologist with micro-organism inside his petri-dish. He sustains the mico-organisms until the experiment is concluded and then ‘he’ will throw the petri dish to the Hell incinerator. Considered all the earthquakes, calamities, plagues.. he inflicted on humanity(during his experiment),he isn’t benevolent to us. Humans need to break out from Earth the petri-dish. Yahweh has been aware of this and that was why he brought down the ancient astro-observatory known as Babel.
    (Mao was born on 26th Dec; likely 25th Dec Roman time)

    • Replies: @Ber
    , @Chinaman
  500. Ber says:
    @Lin

    Interesting alternative view.

    Can you by any chance comment on the Firmament enclosing the Earth?.

    Some alternative comments elsewhere seem to say that we are trapped under this thing called the Firmament. The firmament is actually referred to in the Bible.

    • Replies: @Lin
  501. Chinaman says:
    @Bliss

    Han Chinese have 3000 years of genetic continuity. The blacks you see in those picture are either the color lens of your biases or the color temperature of your screen.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0125676

    Mongols destroyed Tang/song culture, the pinnacle of Chinese civilisation, it also corrupted Han bloodlines.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180246/

    I attribute a lot of the psychopathic or “uncivilised ” behaviour traits of modern Chinese to Mongolian and Manchurian influences. Tang/song culture lives in Japan today.

    • Replies: @Malla
  502. Chinaman says:
    @Lin

    Sorry, I may be stupid and ignorant but your belief is just crackpot crazy. If you want to talk about aliens or extraterrestrial origins, I am fine with that but why link it up with Yahweh, lucifer and hellfire ?

    • Replies: @Lin
  503. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    Gmachine,
    Look, I’ve no stupid restorationalist nostalgia regarding Tang or Sung dynasty,those are passe just like the average brits don’t need to care about the Tudors.
    “aliens or extraterrestrial origins” eh?
    I’m not a Mormon but that’s exactly their idea about God.
    Some years ago, I was an administrator of a community(amateurs’) astro-observatory and my mind travels while yours stagnates.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  504. Chinaman says:
    @Lin

    Unfortunately, my mind is bounded not by the limits or my Imagination but by empirical observation and scientific rigor. On the charge of stagnation, the advent of genomics, understanding of human evolution and the promise of Singularity is enough to keep my mind focus on the terrestrial. However, I am curious as to what you or the Mormon think happen before the Big Bang since that’s where science hits a wall ? Yahweh, I presume.

    • Replies: @Lin
  505. Lin says:
    @Chinaman

    On the charge of stagnation, the advent of genomics, understanding of human evolution..”
    Are you trained in senior university level biology?
    ………………
    Look, it’s very simple and here I repost: Humans are tiny entities in the universe, so there must be something much more powerful out there and one may call it ‘God’.
    ………….
    Its about time to debunk the divine propaganda:
    That God is not benevolent to humans: Here’s a perfect example:
    Psalm 23:”The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters..”
    What’s the relation of a shepherd with his sheeps?
    –Fleece the sheeps for wool without the sheeps’ consensus.
    –Slaughter the sheeps for meat and hide.
    –Sell the sheeps to abattoir.
    …………………….
    I would be more convinced if Psalm 23 reads like this:”I’m a pussy cat and the lord is my pet master….”

  506. Lin says:
    @Ber

    I think the idea of ‘firmament’ was present in the creation ‘story’ of a number of civilizations; Chinese saying ‘All under heaven’ could be one of them.
    But I think it’s just ancient human’s simplistic idea of the universe OR even in more modern setting, an observable subset of the grand time-space continuum. It really depends on how much we know about the universe. There’s no need to speculate on it. If it really was brought into being by an extra-terrestrial powerful entity, the Babel story told us it’s not inpenetrable.

  507. @Ber

    Not gonna listen to some Jew telling me what to think. I’m done listening to Jews telling me what to think. Serpentza is legit. China and Chinese suck, esp. the Cantonese speaking kind, rude and filthy. They need to stay the F back in their own country and stop ruining the west through mass emigration.

    • Replies: @Johnny K. Arate
  508. @Chinaman

    I agree with you, whites have no business in that part of the world. It’s time to do a trade. All Asians incl. Indians in North America for all whites in Australia and New Zealand. All blacks in US for all whites in South Africa. All Latinos in US for all whites in South America.

    On second thought, strike that last one. Latinos in South America are the no good effing Spaniards and Italians. Keep them there. All Latinos out of US period, along with all Muslims and Jews(except Ron Unz and Amy Wax), send them all back to the Middle East.

  509. @Some Random Anon

    Serpentza shilled for Jewish globalism and multiculturalism when he was living in China. He’s not your friend.

  510. Malla says:
    @Che Guava

    You understate the differences. The ‘out of Africa 50, 000 years ago is absolute bullsHt, except for Australian aborigines and Dravidians in India. Possibly also some Melanesians.

    Fossil records in all of Eurasia refute that nonsensical claim.

    What you say is very likely. The Out of Africa theory is being pushed down our throat by leftartds.

    If you have not read of the acquatic theory, IMHO, you should. It is vesrboten racism, but explaimr much.

    Thanks ,I will have a look.

  511. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    We biz Chinese Emperors and sheeet……

  512. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    This is interesting. The Gansu Yangshao Neolithic culture is a predecessor to the Proto Chinese.

    https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6b893e512910fd23df9fe8f3806d9682.webp

    And some of them migrated into the Indian subcontinent, mostly into Nepal, Kashmir, Sikkim about 2000 BC. Pretty interesting.

    I wonder if these are the Kirata people as described by the Vedics.

  513. Malla says:
    @denk

    From the sinking of Maine, gulf of tonkin….right up to the current HK, Xinjiang agitprops.

    Pearl Harbour (WW2), Lusitania (WW1) and 9/11 are all in that list too.

  514. @Chinaman

    Most Americans, like most people in the world, can’t come close to affording international travel and vacation.

    But I agree that the minority of Americans who can afford to visit Europe, Russia, Asia, should do so and would benefit.

  515. @Chinaman

    There are places all around us in L.A. that make me ashamed to be an American, but certainly not ashamed to be white. On the contrary.

  516. Joe Wong says:
    @Some Random Anon

    Or no matter how many generations of Aussies do not make them normal, they are convicts to the bone.

  517. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    It is also puzzling why Indians kicked the British and their offshoots out of India since they still have strong nostalgia for British quality and rule. Actually, the Indians should invite the British and their offshoots back to rule India, at least the British have the capability to the toilet problem for the Indians.

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  518. pizmo says:
    @The Scalpel

    “Dollarocracy”? Get real.”Ziocrazy” is closer to the truth.

  519. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    It is also puzzling why Indians kicked the British and their offshoots out of India since they still have strong nostalgia for British quality and rule.

    Indians were fooled. Besides the USA (Wall Street banker pigs) wanted to destroy the British Empire.

    The British Raj was destroyed from within

    In the 1920’s , the Maharajah of Kashmir asked Sir Arthur Lothian, “why the British government was establishing a ‘Yehudi ka Raj’ (Rule of the Jews) in India?”. The Viceroy of India then , Lord Reading, was a Jew, the Secretary of State of India at that period, Mr. Edwin Montague, was a Jew, the High Commissioner, Sir William Meyer, was a Jew.

    When the Jewish Edwin Montague was selected to be the Secretary of State of British India, Harry Mcloed Fraser in his book Truth (1921), said that Montague had created anarchy all over the Indian subcontinent to organise Asia’s mute millions into a human avalanche to overwhelm Western Civilisation. Jews, Fraser maintained, were seeking to discredit and and weaken the British connection under the guise of forwarding Indian Nationalism, merely in order to make Jewish control and dominion more complete. He further added that ‘The British Raj has for a good many years, become less and less British and more a Jew Raj’, and concluded that Indian Swaraj (self government) ‘merely means Jewish Raj’

    AND GUESS WHAT. During the reign of Montague we see the Montague Clemsford reforms, where Edwin Montague openly writes that 95% of Indians are happy with British rule but the British government will itself create Indian Nationalism!!! It is during his tenure that we see a huge rise in anti British mass movements which led to eventual Indian (and Pakistani) independence in 1947.

  520. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    As far as the USA played its part in destroying the European Empires

    From the book: The New Unhappy Lords

    https://ia800500.us.archive.org/23/items/TheNewUnhappyLords/TheNewUnhappyLords.pdf

    “As far as is known “America’s” anti-British policy was first given concrete expression in the brief that General Marshall took with him to the Quebec Conference in 1943.
    This was to the effect that the greatest single obstacle to the expansion of America’s export-capitalism after the war would be not the Soviet Union but the British Empire. What this meant, in practical terms, was that as soon as the enemies in the field had been disposed of would come the turn of the British Empire to be progressively destroyed and that means to this end would be shaped even while hostilities raged. The moment they were over the campaign could begin in real earnest, the signal for which was to be Truman’s abrupt dropping of Lend-Lease to an ally whose economy had been so closely geared to war production that many markets for her goods had been systematically referred to U.S producers.
    The British Empire was not the only ally marked down for liquidation. The Dutch Empire in the East Indies and the French Empire in Indo-China and Africa were also high on the list ”

    What many people do not know is that the after the damage done by the Great Depression (the total Wall Street take over of the US Economy and the looting of independent American business with the help of the private ‘Federal’ reserve ), The British Government put restrictions on trade in between the British Empire and USA to protect the economies of Britain and all of her colonies from the wall street pigs.

    In Page 22 of the book we read

    “However, as has happened time and again throughout history, the money-lenders had tended to overplay their hand. The six million German unemployed who were the victims of the “Great Depression” resulted in a formidable revolt against the Money Power—the revolt of Adolf Hitler. There was also a rebellion, although of a much milder kind, in Great Britain and the British nations overseas, whose representatives met in Ottawa in 1932 to hammer out a system of Imperial Preferences calculated to insulate the British world against Wall St. amok-runs. These Preferences, as we shall see, incurred the unrelenting hostility of the New York Money Power and the only reason why a show-down was not forced was the far more serious threat to the international financial system implicit in the econo­mic doctrines of the Third Reich.”

    In other words, the Wall street greedy pigs after devouring American industry came to the conclusion that they faced a major threat from Third Reich Germany (the barter system used by the regime) as well as to a lesser extent from the British Empire (and other Empires). Hence the war to destroy Third Reich Germany, Japanese Empire and Italy and then after the war the eventual slow destruction of the European Empires, especially the British Empire. And hence we suddenly see ‘independence movements’ sprouting all over the world and succeeding. Even before the war we had ‘independence movements’ and ‘communist movements’ all around the world thanks to their pet ‘Soviet Russia’s’ agents going all around and ‘radicalizing the masses’, all with the blessings of Wall Street Banker looter pigs.

  521. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    Britain today is more Jewified than it was before during Empire. Unless Britain de-judaises, calling them back would be stupidity. Besides Britain in multi racial, multicultural today as compared to Empire days when it was 99.99% British. This multiculturalism/multiracialism will make neutrality in Indian affairs impossible.
    For example Gujratis and Punjabis in Britain (dominant South Asians in UK) will use financial muscle to sway the Imperial government to their side. Muslims and Hindus will use voter and financial strength in Britain itself to their interest. Lower caste Indians will not get the protection they once got during Empire as upper caste Indians in Britain will use their clout.
    So today’s more Jewified, multi culti multi racial Britain cannot be a good and just colonial ruler anymore as it once was.
    Besides most of today’s British establishment are libtards and thus idiots. Unlike the British of the past who were intellectually and physically far superior to today’s British elites. Indians will not respect some pussyboy leftist brainwashed Brit scumbag unlike their ancestors who were intellectually, morally superior and physically tough. Indians rebel against inferiors trying to rule.
    Can you imagine a bunch of tough, manly, martial Sikhs or Jatts taking orders from a lefty pussyboy hippy Brit. LOL. The Sikhs would laugh at the lefty’s face and the lefty’ would faint. LOL

  522. Lin says:
    @Joe Wong

    It is also puzzling why Indians kicked the British and their offshoots out of India since they still have strong nostalgia for British quality and rule. Actually, the Indians should invite the British and their offshoots back to rule India, at least the British have the capability to the toilet problem for the Indians.”
    …………
    1st of all, one major misunderstanding: Indians defecate outdoor mainly due to the teaching of Manusmrti/Laws of Manu. That ancient guru lived in an era when the population density there was a lot lower than now and it was practical. Hot S Asia sun kills germs on the ground and it’s actually still a lot better than the average shit hole on the ground toilets(without modern sewage system)which would let the shit sink to the water table. Public defecation became a problem only in the recent century because of population growth.
    ……………
    Why the limey raj nostalgia? Simple reasons:
    –The traditional hindu governance model is ‘decentralised’ or even ‘atomized’ in the sense that as long as the local caste hierarchy was observed, the average hindus wouldn’t bother who ruled them at the very top. The moghuls realized that very well but they still converted a large % of the sub-continent to islam. The limey raj was even better and they made much less efforts to spread Christianity to hindus. So far I’ve only met one ‘anglo-indian’; how many have you?
    –Bharat has 16 ‘official’ languages and south Indians prefer English over hindi from the north.
    (BTW, I read that actually the hindi language is a form of Urdu written in hindu script)
    So English is a ‘national glue’ and the indian upper castes/class take pride that they know English so that they could seek H1B visa. I read even dalits prefer ‘English medium’ schools.
    –The limey raj established more effective civil services than they previously had and the limey raj built railways there.
    https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/Ci6EP2AOowqNOmuKQOz13M/The-British-left-six-decades-too-early.html

  523. While I certainly love this website, and get that Ron Unz is trying to lift up all dissident views, stuff like this is really just garbage. The Chinese government has plenty of channels to spew its propaganda, and detracts more from Unz than it gives.

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