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It was once a British police station, as well as the Victoria Prison Compound. Hong Kong inhabitants used to tremble just from hearing its name mentioned. This is where people were detained, interrogated, humiliated, tortured and disappeared.

Now, after Hong Kong ‘returned to China’, it was converted into the Tai Kwun Center – one of the biggest and the most vibrant art institutions in Asia.

This transformation was symbolic, the same as the conversion of the former British-era slums into public parks has been symbolic.

But now, as the pro-Western and anti-Chinese treasonous hooligans are dividing and ruining this former U.K. colony, the old-colonialist flags of “British Hong Kong” are being waved alongside the flags of the United States, while Chinese flags are being humiliated, and thrown into the bay.

Rioters seem to remember nothing about those ‘good old times’ (according to them), when signs shamelessly declared: “No Dogs and Chinese”. As they seem to close both eyes and ignore the neo-colonialism and massacres, that both North America and Europe are constantly committing in all corners of the world.

Now, the citizens of Hong Kong are scared. Not of the “government”, not of the police, or Beijing: they are frightened of the so-called protesters, of ninja-like looking young people with covered faces and metal bars in their hands.

Mr. Edmond, who works for the Tai Kwun Center, speaks bitterly about the events in his city:

What is truly scary now, is that families here in HK are deeply divided. Father does not talk to his son. Silence reigns inside the families. Colleagues do not touch the subject of riots. The situation is thoroughly ruining our city, our society, our families.”

If someone publicly disagrees with the protesters, they get beaten. They managed to silence people.”

People come here, to this wonderful art center, and if they are from Beijing, they are now hiding their identity. It is because they are scared.”

Mr. Edmond keeps repeating that “disagreements should be like disputes inside the family”. He means, disagreements between the Hong Kong inhabitants, and Beijing. According to him, the outsiders should not be involved.

This is what the majority of the people feels in Hong Kong now. This is what they felt in 2014, when I wrote about another prolonged and destructive event which was sponsored by the West – the so-called “Umbrella” uprising.

They feel this, but most of them would not dare to express it. The rioters are young, in good physical shape, and armed with sticks and bars. They have no identity, as their faces are covered by scarves. They are drunk on fanatical self-righteousness; stoned on a primitive sense of purpose. Their behavior is not rational – it is religious.

I have been talking to them. In 2014, and now. Most of them know nothing about the foreign policy of the West. They have no clue about the brutality of the British Empire. They do not want to hear about the humiliation and pain of the Chinese people, when their country was invaded, broken into pieces and occupied.

They are selfish; grandstanders, and extremely arrogant.

They wave flags; foreign flags. They spit on their own banners. They do what they are told to do: by the hostile, foreign powers. And they do, what they are paid to do. It is as depressing, as it is embarrassing, to watch.

“President Trump, please liberate us!” “Please Save us, President Trump!” That is what they shout. That is what their posters say.

It is very hard to talk to them. I tried. Most of them do not want to uncover their faces, and to speak. They seem to feel secure only when in packs, in multitudes. When challenged, they reveal that they know very little, even about China; or even about Hong Kong itself.

But they are ready to preach; to lecture.

When faced with logical arguments, which they cannot refute, they become brutal.

Just a few days ago, they attacked a local teacher who was singing the national anthem of China. They beat him up. A child witnessing the event was horrified. He cried. The teacher kept singing.

They are beating those who try to make them stop destroying the city. They are beating those who are shaming them.

Whenever I manage to have longer exchanges with them, it somehow feels the same as when I am confronting religious fanatics in the Middle East. Perhaps, it should not even be surprising, as both are products of the Western propagandists and their allies.

People refusing to accept their leaflets at the airport –get beaten. If visitors to shopping centers challenge the rioters – a public beating takes place.

This covering of faces with black scarves would be illegal in many parts of the West, were the black scarves to be worn by, let’s say, Muslim women, or local rioters. But the Western media, outrageously selective in its coverage, is glorifying it here, simply because it is against the interests of the People’s Republic of China.

Chinese people, with thousands of years of culture, mostly tolerant, are not used to all this. These events of the last three months are something extremely foreign to them. Therefore, many are scared. Very scared. Desperate.

Ninjas of this nature are usually jumping and hitting in all directions, but from the screens of television sets, not right in the middle of the streets.

 

As I am filming in Hong Kong, as I am reporting for television stations, the picture is becoming clearer and clearer.

There are U.S. flags being carried, the U.S. anthem is sung, then immediately, hundreds of Western media crews start filming.

But when public property is being damaged, subway stations vandalized, pedestrians and motorists attacked, Western cameras are nowhere in sight.

If rioters were to trash Heathrow Airport in London, the army would be called, immediately. Here, the rioters are cheered on by foreigners.

It is obvious that Western mass media outlets and the rioters are working hand-in-hand. They have the same goals.

 

Fear is mixed with shame. No one in Hong Kong is speaking openly, on the record. Even on such seemingly ‘innocent’ topics like the collapse of tourism.

Those who are destroying the city, are obviously not willing to take responsibility for the hardship they are causing to its citizens.

Those who are with Beijing, those who believe in “one China”, which is the silent majority of the citizens, feel shame, because there are so many traitors living among them, in one overcrowded urban area.

Therefore, silence!

ORDER IT NOW

Everyone here in Hong Kong and in Mainland China, understands how dangerous the situation really is. Leaders of the riots, like Joshua Wong, are groomed by Washington, London and Berlin. They are morally and financially supported, not unlike people like Guaido in Venezuela. Mr. Wong is known to associate himself with organizations such as the “White Helmets”, which is working on behalf of the West for “regime change” in Syria.

To damage, to break China into pieces, is now the main goal of Western foreign policy. Beijing is being attacked on all fronts: Uyghurs, the Belt and Road Initiative, Taiwan, Tibet, South China Sea, trade. The more successful China gets; the more attacks it has to face.

Hong Kong used to be a city where “streets were paved with gold”, according to the legend. Mainland Chinese used to see it as a semi-paradise. All this has changed, reversed now. Neighboring cities like Shenzhen and Guangzhou, count with much better infrastructure, a greater cultural life, and lesser levels of poverty.

In one of the international hotels of Hong Kong, I was told by a manager:

Mainland Chinese people do not see Hong Kong as something attractive, anymore. They do not travel here often, anymore. They are not treated well here. They go to Thailand or to Europe instead.”

The citizens of Hong Kong feel frustrated and angry. Their “uniqueness” is evaporating. They are being left behind. Poverty rates are high. English language proficiency is declining, and businesses are moving to Singapore. Hong Kong is the most expensive city on earth, and it is unaffordable for most of its citizens.

Extreme capitalism here has brought nothing spectacular to the people. It is increasingly obvious that the Communist (or call it “socialism with the Chinese characteristics”) system has become much more successful than the old British-style neo-liberalism; in terms of social policies, infrastructure, the arts and general quality of life.

The spoiled, egotistical young people of Hong Kong are outraged. What? They are suddenly not on top of the world? The Commies across the line are better at almost everything they touch?

Instead of working harder, they turn against China; against the Mainland.

They want to convince the entire Hong Kong and even the Mainland, that the ‘Hong Kong way’ is the only correct way. And of course, there is plenty of funding available to support their insane claims. The funding comes from the fellow-collapsing societies – those in the West.

 

Most of the citizens of Hong Kong are scared that the rioters may succeed.

They have already forced the withdrawal of the Extradition Bill, which could help Hong Kong to fight the endemic corruption and invulnerability of its business elites.

They have already managed to scare the Hong Kong government into compromises.

The rioters are acting like huge, violent gangs, and they are enjoying full propaganda support from the West.

But whether they like it or not, Hong Kong is China. Ask a grocery vendor at North Point, ask coolies, old ladies on a park bench, or an elementary school teacher, and you will understand. These people do not care whether Hong Kong is exceptional or not. They do not need to show-off. They just want to live, to survive, to look forward to a better future.

And a better future is definitely with Beijing, not with Washington or London.

They already had London. They had enough of it.

“More Beijing, not less”, you would hear if people were not scared to talk. In 2014, when things were not as extreme as now, they used to tell me.

Now, it is not easy to fight the hundreds of thousands of face-covering and metal-bar-waving zealots and fanatics. Their religion is simply “The West”. It is abstract. As are their demands. As are their violent outbursts of inferiority complexes.

Both, the local majority, and Beijing, have to think hard as to what strategy to apply, in order to protect, and to defend Hong Kong and China against those brutal, frustrated, morally corrupt hooligans and treasonous cadres.

 

[First published by NEO – New Eastern Outlook]

Andre Vltchek is a philosopher, novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries. Four of his latest books are Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism, a revolutionary novel “Aurora” and a bestselling work of political non-fiction: “Exposing Lies Of The Empire”. View his other books here. Watch Rwanda Gambit, his groundbreaking documentary about Rwanda and DRCongo and his film/dialogue with Noam Chomsky “On Western Terrorism”. Vltchek presently resides in East Asia and the Middle East, and continues to work around the world. He can be reached through his website and his Twitter. His Patreon

 
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  1. Anonymous[629] • Disclaimer says:

    “No dogs or Chinese”, I suppose that’s like the “No dogs or Irishmen” myth. It’s never been proven that those signs are anything other than an anti-British left wing myth and I suspect it’s the same with your claimed anti-Chinese signs. Just anecdotal lies with which to attempt to smear the British.

    What makes those signs such obvious bullshit is that British people like dogs probably more than any other people and would never compare a race they regard as lowly to dogs. I suspect the “no dogs” thing is other races/nationalities projecting their own very different values onto British people. Your constant anti-British vitriol isn’t doing your pro-Chinese propaganda any favours, in fact it’s making me more pro-protesters when previously I was more pro-China but if pro-China means anti-British then how can I support that?

  2. Toxik says:

    All these guys are Uncle Tom, rebelling against their own.

  3. lloyd says: • Website

    The protestors have no memories of British atrocities in Hong Kong. I suspect because there weren’t any. Or at least so bad they would retain family memories. They recall the British freedom, civility, and the rule of law. They want capitalist Hong Kong in all its grossness.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @last straw
  4. d dan says:
    @Anonymous

    “…making me more pro-protesters when previously I was more pro-China…”

    Silly westerner. Why do you need to either pro-this or pro-that? Hong Kong is none of the business of UK nor US. Just hand off Hong Kong. If you can’t even do this, can you blame the Chinese for being anti-British or anti-US?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  5. d dan says:
    @lloyd

    “They recall the British freedom…”

    LOL How many times did they have the freedom of election in 150+ years? None?

  6. bossel says:

    Andre Vltchek is a philosopher, novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist.

    You forgot one very important thing: liar.

  7. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    Vltchek cited a sign (“No Dogs and Chinese”) that appears to be a myth related to Huangpu Park in Shanghai. There’s no evidence I’m aware of that such signs were common, or even made short-lived appearances in Hong Kong. Of course, decades ago there were clearly understood no-go zones for both Chinese and foreigners.

    Vltchek clearly erred in claiming it as a historical reality without citing a historical link. Also, I find his description of the fear permeating HK hyperbolic. I was there recently and will be back later this week. Things were a lot quieter at the border crossings, and prices seemed to be coming down, but I didn’t see people “living in fear” like I’ve seen elsewhere in the world.

    I’m glad to learn more of the mindset of the “protestors”, but I don’t understand his purpose in sensationalising the social effects of the protests. If anything, they may turn out to be an opportunity for HK’s political elite to finally come to grips with HK’s badly needed reforms. That is, if HK’s political elite could effectively come to grips with anything besides holding catfights amongst themselves.

    • Replies: @d dan
  8. @Anonymous

    “No dogs or Chinese”, I suppose that’s like the “No dogs or Irishmen” myth. It’s never been proven that those signs are anything other than an anti-British left wing myth and I suspect it’s the same with your claimed anti-Chinese signs.

    In Michael Palin’s travel programs, in 1990 Africa, he recorded clubs where there’re only whites allowed practically. And the club members had to awkwardly defend themselves to Palin.

  9. Carrie says:
    @Anonymous

    Think of that “No dogs or Chinese” as a summary of the actual sign which indeed banned Chinese and dogs.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huangpu_Park

  10. nsa says:

    Anyone here care to guess as to how American cops would react if a “demonstrator” tossed a Molotov cocktail at them? Hell, here a local white trash idiot involved in a domestic dispute was ordered out of his trailer. The moron appeared on his porch naked to the waist brandishing a firearm, and took two clips of 9mm. The firearm turned out to be a 24 ouncer. The relatives are suing.

    • Replies: @Biff
  11. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:

    > not rational – it is religious…their religion

    The author is ☭ anti-religious.

    > a better future is definitely with Beijing

    The author is ☭ Communist.

  12. Jason Liu says:

    Either way, Hong Kong is on the wrong side of history. The whole world is turning away from liberalism and democracy, only HK is begging for those things.

    It’s probably because HKers have lived in a stable, homogeneous, comparatively traditional society for several generations. They have no idea what liberal democracy is actually like, only what is portrayed by western media. It’s very much a case of grass being greener on the other side.

    • Replies: @barry-f-keane
  13. Parbes says:

    A bunch of ignorant, brainwashed, slovenly, self-hating gooks with mile-high inferiority complexes towards “the West”, who’re also totally lacking in any real awareness of what the current “West” and especially its ruling regimes are all about… Their own behavior flatly – and comically – contradicts their dumb slogans and their claim to be fighting for “democracy”. What they really have is a primitive adoration of power, violence, “status”, and perceived “global prestige” (which is actually faux prestige).

    In other words – SUBHUMAN TRASH.

  14. The treasonous dogs… just run them over with tanks.

  15. Sounds like mass hysteria – just a bunch of imbeciles running wild. But will they burn out? Or spread? How about westward.

    • Replies: @last straw
  16. Tick Tock says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes if you want to see a collection of human mutants and defects go to England. Just walk down the street and see the effects of multiple generations of inbreeding. And to know the mental effects of this inbred group one only has to read your post.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  17. Tick Tock says:

    Well my guess is that the Chinese will take the long view and let the protesters eat themselves or destroy Hong Kong or both. Hong Kong has long outrun its importance to China. It can go into ruin like San Francisco and Seattle and LA. When are they going to start $hitting on the streets like the do in America. It really is quit funny to watch the American Freedom Corps destroying other countries. But the success rate has seem to drop to Zero for Regime Change.

  18. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    “If anything, they may turn out to be an opportunity for HK’s political elite to finally come to grips with HK’s badly needed reforms. ”

    You are optimist, aren’t you? For goodness sake, they can’t even pass a ROUTINE extradition bill. So don’t breath.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  19. @lloyd

    The protestors have no memories of British atrocities in Hong Kong. I suspect because there weren’t any. Or at least so bad they would retain family memories. They recall the British freedom, civility, and the rule of law. They want capitalist Hong Kong in all its grossness

    British colonialism committed atrocities allover the world.. Hong Kong was relatively lucky.

  20. @Commentator Mike

    Sounds like mass hysteria – just a bunch of imbeciles running wild. But will they burn out? Or spread? How about westward.

    More like the Culture Revolution, brain-washed young people compete to see who is more destructive. China probably won’t intervene before Taiwan’s election in January 2020.

  21. Amon says:

    ninja-like looking young people with covered faces and metal bars in their hands.

    Hmm, where have I see people like that in the West?

    Oh yeah, AN- F*CKING- TIFA. Every single time the bleeding heart left goes out to protest something or someone these riot “ninjas” show up to beat the shit out of anyone or anything they judge to be “evil or problematic in a clear cut goal to silence objections or counter protests.

    I find it so weird, so weird, that no one seems to connect the giant black clad dots even when they are so openly funded and controlled by the very same left wing institutions.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  22. Sparky says:

    What a bias author. To presume these people are in error and don’t know their own history? I suspect these rioters know the nature of the present Chinese government much better than our author. Could this author please refrain from injecting his own political bias in his future articles??

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @RadicalCenter
  23. Biff says:
    @nsa

    Anyone here care to guess as to how American cops would react if a “demonstrator” tossed a Molotov cocktail at them?

    My thoughts exactly, which sets me back in awe of the magnitude of hypocrisy that American politicians display when they call Chinese police “brutal authoritarians committing crimes against humanity”.

    Pfft

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  24. d dan says:
    @Sparky

    “To presume these people are in error and don’t know their own history?” Yes, many don’t. I saw some history text books used in Hong Kong.

    “Could this author please refrain from injecting his own political bias in his future articles??” You are the one that should be hand off on issue that you don’t know about and event that of no legitimate interest to your own country. At least the author travels to Hong Kong and talks to people there.

  25. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    Optimist? Not really.

    I did qualify that with “That is, if HK’s political elite could effectively come to grips with anything besides holding catfights amongst themselves.”

    The political reality is that a window of opportunity is opening. That HK’s politicians’ lack of vision and political skills means that they’ll let a perfectly good crisis go to waste is another story.

    For goodness sake, they can’t even pass a ROUTINE extradition bill. So don’t breath.

    I suspect that Beijing knows well what’s happening and has already stepped in, and that there’s a lot of backroom planning and negotiation going on to find a path forward for HK.

    HK’s importance to the plans that China has for the Pearl River Delta is part of the reason these riots are happening. Likewise, that’s why HK has to be brought under control. Its “2nd system” has to be harmonized with the mega-region and Beijing isn’t going to let those plans fail because foreign NGOs and some troublemakers want them to. I’m looking for them to do “a Putin” (with Chinese characteristics) on HK’s oligarchs and NGOs.

    • Replies: @d dan
  26. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    “I suspect that Beijing knows well what’s happening and has already stepped in, and that there’s a lot of backroom planning and negotiation going on to find a path forward for HK.”

    I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong. Hong Kong people has proved that they can’t govern themselves. They can’t even pass a routine, popular and normally internationally acceptable extradition law.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  27. @Tick Tock

    Do you have evidence that English, Irish, Scottish, or welsh people are frequently inbred (first-cousin marriage)? What we do know is that Pakistanis settled in the “UK” have a serious problem with birth defects from their systematic widespread inbreeding.

  28. @Sparky

    Bias is a noun. The adjective is “biased.”

  29. @Biff

    You can never trust anything that the corrupt US media reports. Rick Sanchez, on his RT America show, has been making much the same points as Andre about Western interference and NGO’s funneling big money to the rioters. It’s all about destabilizing the Chinese government. From what I’ve seen on RT, the Hong Kong police have been showing much more restraint than American para-military cops would. RT showed a clip of a policeman, helpless on the ground, being hit repeatedly by rioters with metal batons. Those rioters are worse than Antifa.

  30. @Amon

    Well yes. Maybe these rioters do want the Chinese to clamp down hard on them and even get a few killed so all the others can run to the west as asylum seekers and refugees and join the antifa there to continue raising havoc and rioting. And protesting in front of Chinese embassies. Seeing they have no future in Hong Kong they probably want to get to the west but can’t afford to do it like the richer Hong Kongers and Chinese who go buying up properties in the West. So the next best thing for them is this. Then after PR China’s tanks roll in they can show they were waving US and UK flags when demanding asylum and claiming they’ll be shot as traitors if they’re sent back. They’ve got plenty of vessels in Hong Kong harbour ready to start another boat people exodus when the time comes to flee. And most Westerners will welcome them like they welcomed those Arabs. And there’ll be plenty of work for Soros’ NGOs, all those working in the western media propaganda machine, UNHCR, etc. They’ll love it – another immigrant invasion.

  31. Sinistre says:
    @Anonymous

    Sorry, gotta say I saw such a sign on my first visit to London – Paddington area circa 1966.
    “No Blacks, no Irish”, actually.
    In fairness, the Irish motorway laborers were notorious for excessive drinking , vomiting and whore-mongering. They were also the hoes least favorite customers.
    Were I a landlord/landlady, I too would have banned them.

  32. neutral says:

    These morons waving that US regime flag have zero idea what the US is now about, it is not about “freedom” or “human rights”, the US is a fanatically anti white woke regime. Chinese people may not be demonized as much as white people are, but they are definitely not high up on the victim rankings (blacks, gays, jews). If these cockroaches get their way, Hong Kong will have mass immigration from India and Africa, and that is not going to help with the housing shortages and job prospects.

  33. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    As luck would have it, I wound up spending the better part of an evening with a couple of protest sympathizers. They overheard the conversation my friend and I were having and joined our table at an outdoor restaurant far from downtown. Both middlish-aged, and obviously not poor, 1 of them even claimed to be an occasional (peaceful) participant. We talked amiably late into the night until finally tossed out by the proprietor, who gave everyone a free beer to carry out!

    If that conversation is as indicative of the general view as they claimed, it is now very apparent to me that the most salient and immediate of the forces driving the protests is nothing less than cultural chauvinism, itself driven by Ressentiment.
    (I mean this in the Kierkegaardian/Nietzschean sense of the term. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment)

    Whatever other grievances came up (housing, jobs, oligarchs, democracy, etc), the conversation repeatedly returned to HK-ers’ dislike for China, its people and its Government. When challenged to positively define the Hong Kong they’d like to see going forward, they responded with initial silence followed by some vague platitudes and slogans heard on the street. I’d like to think the disquiet on their faces indicated that they glimpsed the real problem in those moments.

    The upshot was that average HK-ers feel it beneath their dignity to be ruled by China but don’t actually have any concrete ideas about how they would go about ruling themselves, much less how to go about making their “2nd system” work to make HKGA. They also don’t seem to grasp the notion that their prosperity is tied to integrating what HK does best into the regional economy and that rejecting China is like a fish rejecting the ocean it’s swimming in.

    I realize I was getting but a glimpse of a bigger picture, but the conversation left me with the impression that Hong Kong has created an enemy, and it is themselves. I have no idea how one addresses such a deep-seated cultural malaise. Societies that wind up on that slippery slope, especially when prodded along by outside forces, usually have to hit bottom before they can be turned around. Though I avoided mentioning it, the Ukraine repeatedly came to mind during the course of the evening.

    • Replies: @d dan
  34. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    Thank you for the update from your first hand experience. What you say here are pretty consistent with my own intuition and my guess of the causes.

    I live in US and don’t have the chance to talk to these people. I feel so sad for Hong Kong and its people, having grown up watching all the Hong Kong TV series and working there briefly in the 1990s. I hope the wiser ones will prevail eventually.

  35. Smith says:

    Is it some kind of irony that d dan, the local chink shill, actually lives in the US? Many such cases. The ones who shill never live where they shill for, the grass is always greener on the other side.

    Either ways, antifa in the US actually support the Beijing cops in this case so I don’t understand the whole HKer = antifa angle, in fact, antifa in the US calls HKers “alt-right” for standing with Trump. I guess the world is upside down if it comes to Hong Kong.

    Anyway, since Hong Konger decide to adopt the Israel flag, it makes me increasingly hard to support them, they really should learn better tactics than just doing whatever they want.

  36. Erebus says:

    … they really should learn better tactics than just doing whatever their sponsors want.

    Fixed it for you.
    You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @d dan
  37. Smith says:
    @Erebus

    Once again, proof?

    And 1 October is coming, incoming false flags.

  38. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    “… they really should learn better tactics than just doing whatever their sponsors want…. Fixed it for you.”

    I believe foreigners’ interests in Hong Kong is waning after the withdrawal of the extradition law – which was a grave threat for those CIA and MI6 agents. Also, they increasingly realize there is really no GOOD end game for the protesters. There is simply no chance of “success” – in whatever way you can define or imagine. So why continue dumping money into a project with no return. And lastly, the protests and riots are actually consolidating support for Beijing.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Erebus
  39. Smith says:
    @d dan

    How? By forcing the Beijing government to withdraw the unlawful extradition bill, the HKers have already succeed.

    What follows afterwards is just afterglow.

  40. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    I believe foreigners’ interests in Hong Kong is waning after the withdrawal of the extradition law – which was a grave threat for those CIA and MI6 agents.

    The extradition law didn’t threaten them half as much as the drug running triads and corrupt mainlanders. The law was in fact poorly written, and I expect to see it come back with its errors corrected.

    Sunday’s protests saw ninja protestors throwing Molotovs into the WanChai MTR station, and even waving Israeli flags. WTF they hoped to accomplish with the latter is beyond me.

    … there is really no GOOD end game for the protesters.

    Indeed there isn’t for HK’s real protesters. For the paid ninjas and their sponsors, the endgame is disruption.

    Regime changing colourful revolution techniques are now well understood so they’ve been failing as target govts have developed strategies to protect themselves, but disruption and effective collapse of the target country is still well within range. Watch now for escalations that force the HK govt to act in ways that the MSM/DoS can spin up into HK specific sanctions. HK is uniquely vulnerable and its FIRE economy would be brought to its knees in very short order. Of course, that could change the socio-political dynamic in ways that the US sponsors didn’t intend should the wider public realize the source of their troubles.

    One can hope that would wake HK-ers up to their real position as pawns in a bigger game, but from what I was hearing a few nights ago I wouldn’t hold my breath. It’s gonna take time, and real hardship.

    And lastly, the protests and riots are actually consolidating support for Beijing.

    I believe that is the HK/BJ game plan. In the same way Venezuela lets Guiado run around scot free and Russia is letting the Uke oligarchs loot the country blind, HK/BJ is letting the ninja rioters run riot. Slowly but surely opposition will grow and strengthen their hand as people realize which side their bread is buttered. It takes a lot of disruption to bury ressentiment sufficiently deeply so it can be overcome. I’m coming to the conclusion that 2047 sounds about right. That’s another lost generation in addition to the ones now protesting, but there it is.

  41. Smith says:

    Extradition laws come back, people fight again.

    If Beijing wants to do land reform, propose land reform bill, but they don’t want that, they want to cull dissidents.

    Anything that hardens Beijing will also harden the rest of Hong Kong, Taiwan and the rest of Asia. You want to play, we play.

    The US and China are both empires, it’s up to small guys to bring the big guys down a notch.

  42. @Jason Liu

    You miss the irony that these protesters demonstrate they are not capable of democratic self-rule. Protesters like these are killing off the traditions of liberal democracy, like resolving differences peacefully and respecting the rule of law and recognizing diversity of opinion. If liberal democracy dies in Hong Kong it won’t be China’s fault. We’re seeing the same thing in the USA with the unhinged Antifa movement, the selective outrage of the Democratic Party, and the suppression of free-speech on college campuses.

  43. voicum says:
    @Anonymous

    Nobody asked you to support anything .You’v got enough problems ……

  44. Paul says:

    Hong Kong is scared of the police riots.

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