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  1. Matra says:

    It got nasty right away. Trump v Paul then Jeb tried to take on Trump but that didn’t work out too well. It’s certainly been entertaining. Trump’s not too comfortable discussing foreign affairs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  2. McFly says: • Website

    Paul made a pretty good comment about intervention.

    Rubio’s personality is grating.

    Why are rich politicians with cushy jobs so fat and frumpy? Famous business guys are better put together than pols.

  3. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Trump has the hunter empathy gene – the ability to spot weakness – in spades.

    That’s not necessarily a good thing – most pimps have it too – but it’s certainly useful in politics.

  4. I wish these people cared as much about me as they do about their good friend BiBi and the Israelis.

    Does Trump get to speak? He’s the front-runner, and I haven’t heard him speak in the 15 or so minutes I’ve been watching.

  5. Ivy says:

    Look for streaming video options, not just for news but for any number of other types of content.

  6. Trump just called Fiorina a beautiful woman with a beautiful face. He’s great for entertainment. You know she just wanted to call him a damned liar but she couldn’t!

    • Replies: @anon
  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Matra

    I agree with Mantra. Trump is entertaining. Only Rand Paul has sensible things to say about foreign policy issues. Christie has been good. Ben Carson is low key and not shining.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  8. wiseguy says:

    A) Of interest to you, Trump made a quip about Jeb’s energy level.

    B) Fiorina seemingly wants to declare war on the rest of the world, while Trump holds more to the position that Russia is not necessarily our mortal enemy.

    C) The candidates did a good job of presenting themselves as pro-life.

  9. WhatEvvs [AKA "Danuta Tramp"] says:

    Massive earthquake in Chile. Tsunumis expected, maybe in Hawaii. Prayers to all.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is getting killed. Looks like his joke run is about to be over.

  11. Tjaden says:

    They attacked Trump right off the bat. He’s so red he looks like a goddamn cherry. He sounds bad every time he opens his mouth. Everyone on stage is sweating like a pig. CNN apparently doesn’t know how to use an AC. Fiorina is showing some impressive balls–went on an epic rant about PP. Jeb is spouting the usual sanctimony that you would expect from him. Carson is employing his remarkable ability to talk and talk without ever actually saying anything at all. And Walker is being the Mitt Romney circa 2011 empty suit as usual.

    • Replies: @e
  12. You can stream right from the CNN home page.

  13. O'really says:

    ¡Columba! was raised as a topic by the moderator. I think Jake Tapper reads your blog.

  14. The Z Blog says: • Website

    I switched over to NOVA, but the little I watched was the same old stuff. Trump rode Bush around like a pony for a while and that was fun. He’s Andrew Dice Clay. Most of the act is grating, but when it clicks its hilarious. You watch Trump for 25 minutes and you want to bolt the room. Then he hits pay dirt and you forget all about the 25 minutes of agony.

    The rest of them are just furniture. I expected the GOP toadies to be drooling over Carson, but they seem to be drooling over granny instead.

  15. H2 says:

    The moderator asked Trump about his statements regarding !Jeb speaking Spanish. Trump said that immigrants need to learn English, but then he dropped the A-Bomb.

    He said that immigrants need to assimilate. He continued by saying it’s a problem that immigrants aren’t assimilating.

  16. e says:

    Trump talked of assimilation and the need for people here to speak English. BRAVO! He’s still the only candidate to speak the truth on such matters in clear, bold, declarative sentences.

  17. WhatEvvs [AKA "Danuta Tramp"] says:

    Fiorina is showing some impressive balls–went on an epic rant about PP.

    What’s PP?

    Jeb is spouting the usual sanctimony that you would expect from him.

    I don’t care what happens, just as long as Jeb goes away. Soon.

    Carson is employing his remarkable ability to talk and talk without ever actually saying anything at all.

    Don’t knock it. That is a remarkable ability. He might make a good President.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @WhatEvvs
    , @Brutusale
  18. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Why is this called a ‘debate’?

    It’s question-and-answer session.

  19. e says:
    @Tjaden

    Actually, Tjaden, Trump’s “look at that face” was proven true as the camera got up close to Fiorina. What does it see? A rigid, botoxed-up, school marm’s scold of a face. Winner? Trump. How many males like that face? How many women have had a woman boss with a scold’s face and her lecturing tone?

  20. Jefferson says:

    This debate is taking place in Simi Valley, so they are not too far away from where Steve Sailer lives.

    • Replies: @Jim Sweeney
  21. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is not great tonight. But he’s so defied gravity to date that I’m not sure it will hurt him.

  22. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Cruz is way too wooden sounding. Trump, though I support his platform the most, seems to be way too authoritarian, pushy, self-aggrandizing, etc.. Maybe Walker can take his platform and have an acceptable persona as well.

  23. Matra says:

    When Jeb asked Trump to apologise to his wife, Columba, Trump should’ve responded “I would but she probably doesn’t understand English”.

  24. Lugash says:
    @WhatEvvs

    PP is probably Planned Parenthood.

  25. MarkinLA says:

    Carson just a few days ago said we need to make illegals guest workers because Americans don’t like hard work. Nobody crammed that down his throat like they should have. He danced around his statement that we we can’t deport all the illegals. Obviously, he has been reading the comments on blogs and realizes he stepped in it when he said that.

    At least Trump is making some progress moving the Overton window with this crowd. Soon people may be afraid to say “comprehensive immigration reform” and “we can’t deport them all”.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Anonymous
  26. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Carli should have eased up on the botox but you got to hand it to her – she’s got a pretty slammin’ bod for a 60 year old.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Former Darfur
  27. tbraton says:
    @Anonymous

    The way Jake Tapper framed the question was outrageous. I believe he stated that Russia has provided arms to a country that is our “enemy,” i.e., Syria. When did we ever declare war on Syria, and why would we do that? Syria hasn’t attacked us or any of our allies, but one of our allies, Turkey, has, in effect, declared war on Syria, allowed jihadis to enter Syria to join ISIS, and is now furthering the flow of refugees to a NATO ally, Greece. BTW what Russia is doing is consistent with the principles of international law by supporting the existing, legitimate government of Syria, while we and our ally Turkey are acting contrary to international law by sponsoring rebels attempting to overthrow the existing government of Syria.

  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ben Carson is doing well.
    I like what Rand Paul says, except for a flat tax.

  29. WhatEvvs [AKA "Danuta Tramp"] says:
    @WhatEvvs

    Right, thanks.

    Fiorina really is an ugly woman. I mean, look at that face.

    BTW Politico or some such site has an article that claims that Columba tells lies about her father. He did not desert the family. She deserted him to marry Jeb.

  30. Jim Sweeney says: • Website
    @Jefferson

    I doubt you would care to walk from the Simi Valley to North Hollywood where Steve lives. It’s also not much fun to drive.

    Look at the map – – –

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Republicans are awful. Truly needs to be more bold and say something out of his ordinary talking points. He missed an opportunity to mention restricting legal immigration. The audience is terribly cucked. The remind me why the Republican Party deserves to go down in flames.

  32. Grumpy says:

    When I last looked (when there were 42,000+ votes counted), 55% of Drudge Report poll respondents had already declared Trump the winner… and the debate is still going.

  33. Trump is actually light-years ahead of the field in this debate. He understands cause and effect. He understands nonlinear relationships. The rest of the candidates are all stuck in Plato’s cave, and Trump is talking right over their heads.

    His only weakness seems to be that he occasionally forgets that everyone else is not as smart as he is.

    • Agree: tbraton, Deduction
  34. E. Burke says:
    @Anonymous

    The audience is terribly cucked. The remind me why the Republican Party deserves to go down in flames.

    Low taxes and Obamacare are not great existential questions, unlike mass third world immigration.

  35. Tjaden says:

    PP=Planned Parenthood.

    Honestly, I think Fiorina is somewhat of a babe. Perhaps she’s a Heather MacDonald-type babe who is only hot when prepped for primetime. Republican women do have the uncanny ability to stay relatively fine well into their 60s.

    • Replies: @JSM
  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I haven’t watched the debate, but I can tell you who won. Just look at who’s getting all the headlines.

  37. I missed part of it and after I started watching I switched on baseball.

    Let me put this in stark terms: if you’re smart and you’re a patriotic American, Tapper asking Trump a weak question that just let Trump go into a stock speech should be horrific. You should realize just how dangerous it is when those like Tapper ask weak questions that serve no purpose whatsoever. If someone “interviews” their brother-in-law for a job that only affects the company involved. But, when the media refuses to ask real questions that results in weak candidates, one of whom will go on to being a weak president. That’s what got us Obama.

    For those out there – not, in my experience, many in the iSteve readership – who are patriotic Americans who want what’s in the national interest, use my methods. If you want to be a fanboy, do it of a pop star. Don’t do it of someone who would have nuclear launch codes. Put America ahead of your personal issues.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Deduction
  38. Corn says:

    I watched the first hour and a half before calling it a night. Trump wasn’t bad but not as LOL funny as he was at the first debate. Trump and Paul are the only ones who don’t seem to want to replay the Cold War. Paul seems to be the only one who isn’t hungering for war with Iran. Fiorina threw out some stats and big words, seems polished, did her homework. Cruz was staunchly conservative but not terribly charismatic or catchy. Rubio was eloquent, forceful at times, but still not much substance in my opinion. Still wish Jeb! would just go away.

  39. GW says:

    Rand is solid on non-interventionism and federalism but goes soft by saying poor little dindus are bearing the brunt of the drug laws. No dumbass, dindus go to jail for possessing an ounce of pot when whites don’t because dindus are on probation for assault and are carrying a gun and plead down to holding pot.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  40. I don’t have cable TV so I’m not watching.

    I would be curious how much of your readership still subscribes to cable television?

    I watched the first thirty minutes at the gym and it was pretty clear that there was an orchestrated assault on Trump. Fiorina is a serious candidate because she wants to go to war with Russia, which is obviously a Great Idea. My guess is Vladimir would not be too intimidated by her saber rattling. Rand Paul was actually channeling his Old Man and taking some quality anti-neocon stances on foreign policy. Painful as it is to say, Chris Christie was pulling off the whole “I’m just a regular, hot-headed, fat guy from Jersey” routine pretty well, not that I think it makes him more attractive to the electorate.

    Based on just the first 3o minutes, Trump took some hits, but it’s unclear that Jeb benefitted. Rubio was sweating and fidgeting weirdly. Walker looked like a well dressed extra from The Walking Dead. Carson probably did not hurt himself, but his humble guy/ brain surgeon schtick has to wear off at some point.

    The Establishment Play will be to continue to celebrate Fiorina and Kasich, all the while, still hoping that the Chosen One, Jeb, finds his sea legs. The Media will continue to be easy on empty suit, Nice Guy, Ben Carson, because he is the main competition with Trump for the protest vote.

    Admittedly, everything might have changed after the first 30 minutes.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @Lugash
    , @Lot
  41. Tipo 61 says:

    Trump is well ahead in the race, and it’s his to lose. He did not harm himself. His two main points in the debate were that he will fix uncontrolled immigration, and he is not controlled by the military industrial complex.

    Everyone else, except Bush and Fiorina, seem to be positioning themselves as a VP or cabinet appointment in a Trump administration.

    Trump said Fiorina is very beautiful. The camera showed her reaction on split screen, and all America could see how terrifying she actually looks.

    Carson, bless his heart, is an obvious token.

  42. Corn says:

    One thing about Huckabee, not a fan of his but when questioned about Kim Davis he states how the Fort Hood shooter was allowed to grow a beard in the brig, we make accommodations at Gitmo for Muslim prisoners but we jail Kim Davis. Said something about denigrating our own culture but exalting others. Really made a good point there I thought.

    That exalting others bit got me thinking: Dearborn, MI is known for a high Arab-American population. What if a gay couple went into a county office in Wayne County MI and asked for a license to marry? Wonder how the multicultural Left would respond if an Arab or Muslim at the counter said “No”.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    , @Lot
  43. tbraton says:

    Jake Tapper probably thought he was tossing a bomb into the group when he brought up Reagan’s former Sec. of State George Schultz and global warming. But he evoked probably the best part of the debate with intelligent commentary from Marco Rubio, Chris Christy and Scott Walker. Unhappy with what he was hearing, Tapper abruptly closed the debate on the subject and switched topics.

  44. @Anonymous

    This is an important point. Unlike the first debate which had a pretty raucous crowd, the audience at The Reagan Library was small and looked pre-selected to lean more towards Chamber of Commerce types. Unlikely that any Trump zingers or non-Establishment comments would get much traction with the limited and likely screened audience.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Wade
  45. Matra says:

    Every time I switch back to the debate – which is too long btw – Ted Cruz is saying “Ayatollah Khamenei”.

  46. tbraton says:

    There is an interesting dynamic going on between Trump and Cruz. Cruz was very complimentary about Trump’s bringing illegal immigration to the debate. And later Cruz used the appointments of David Souter by GHWB and John Roberts by GWB to attack Jeb!!! It spared Trump from having to do anything other than nod his head in agreement. Cruz is obviously angling for the VP spot, but I wonder if they have an agreement.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anon123
  47. tbraton says:
    @Corn

    “That exalting others bit got me thinking: Dearborn, MI is known for a high Arab-American population. What if a gay couple went into a county office in Wayne County MI and asked for a license to marry? Wonder how the multicultural Left would respond if an Arab or Muslim at the counter said “No”.”

    Said “No”? He would probably behead them on the spot. And be forgiven for his action since we have to respect diversity and different lifestyles.

  48. Bugg says:
    @Clifford Brown

    At some point I(And millions of others) will cut the cord and get Roku/Netflix and some streaming sports. THE LA Clippers turned down a cable deal to stream their games instead. That trend will grow.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  49. GW says:

    Cruz kept finding the camera to stare into. Kind of freaked me out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  50. I just switched back on and caught the last several closing statements. Did every single one make a pledge to Israel? These people are pathetic. Do they really believe that Americans really give one damn about Israel?

  51. Lugash says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I would be curious how much of your readership still subscribes to cable television?

    I cancelled mine a couple of years ago. Even if I agreed with the crap it was spewing, it’s a bad cost value. Digital OTA can suck, but it’s usually good enough for the nightly news. Youtube, digital apps and DVDs from the library work. I’ve still got Netflix, but it’s losing its luster; too much content has disappeared.

    Fiorina is a serious candidate because she wants to go to war with Russia, which is obviously a Great Idea.

    A Fiorina presidency would mean McCain or his toadies in the administration. No thanks.

    The Establishment Play will be to continue to celebrate Fiorina and Kasich, all the while, still hoping that the Chosen One, Jeb, finds his sea legs. The Media will continue to be easy on empty suit, Nice Guy, Ben Carson, because he is the main competition with Trump for the protest vote.

    There’s a video on MSNBC of 1980 Jeb campaigning for his father in Peurto Rico. The crowd is booing a bit. His knees are actually trembling.

  52. @tbraton

    Cruz is a clever 44-year-old. He has a lot of options.

  53. JSM says:
    @Tjaden

    Seriously? She’s so botoxed -up that she can’t even smile or talk normally, as her upper lip is frozen. She herself acknowledged that Secret Service would call her Secretariat. (Due to her horseface.)

  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fiorina makes Curtis “Bombs Away” LeMay look like a peacenik. I was like, “Damn girl, I hope that’s the Botox talking!” She was very good with her closing comment, probably the best of the bunch. And on the discussion regarding legalization of drugs, her comment about losing a child to drug addiction put a damper of the good philosophical exchange between Paul and Christie.

    I’m a Rand Paul guy.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  55. Lot says:
    @Corn

    Metro Detroit Arabs are about 50/50 Christian and Muslim, but the Christians are smarter, richer, better connected, and have been there longer. Wayne county is liberal, so it pays its employees very well, and in economic and population decline, meaning openings for those jobs are rare and require very good political connections to get.

    As a consequence, there are likely very few, if any, county clerks who are Muslims.

    Turnover and new positions are so low in Detroit public sector jobs that even when Detroit schools reached 95% black students, the large majority of the teachers and admins were still white. Not the best place to teach perhaps, but $50,000+ jobs with very good benefits and no summers is a great deal in a depressed area with low living costs, so they held onto those jobs with a death grip. Since the schools were steadily closed, the numbers of teachers actually declined most years, so not even retirements created open positions.

    While in theory blacks might have an interest in pushing out the white public employees, in practice government employee unions run the city, not blacks, and an ambitious and educated black would realize it is better to wait her turn for her chance to milk the dying cow than risk tipping Elsie over.

    • Replies: @Blobby5
  56. Jefferson says:
    @Jim Sweeney

    “I doubt you would care to walk from the Simi Valley to North Hollywood where Steve lives. It’s also not much fun to drive.

    Look at the map – – -”

    It’s only a half hour drive from Simi Valley to North Hollywood. That is nothing to me, I consider that to be close by. I have driven from San Francisco to Las Vegas. If you get extremely tired after only driving for 30 minutes, that is your problem and not mine.

  57. Jefferson says:

    I saw a few Black women in the audience. They must be related to Ben Carson.

  58. The candidates were asked which woman they would put on the ten dollar bill. Interestingly, Jeb picked Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher, of course, didn’t think massive immigration from Mexico was good for the United States. I was surprised that !Jeb! didn’t pick Frid Kahlo, Sonia Sotomayor, or his wife.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    Carson said tonight that he was referring specifically to farm workers. He said that he spoke with farmers who said they need workers, and said that therefore he supports a guest worker program for farm workers who would not have rights or something.

  60. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Fiorina did well again, and, as Breitbart’s Katie McHugh presciently predicted, the media is primed to exaggerate her success. She’s a terrible candidate though, the negative ads would write themselves. Also, proposed provoking World War 3 with Russia.

    Rubio has very good vocal modulation – sounds like he’s spent a lot of time at Toastmasters. Would be a good keynote speaker for liquor wholesaler’s national sales meeting.

    Paul had one good moment when he said if you want more wars there will always be a Bush or Clinton to vote for.

    Christie did well – the only one to smack down Carly. Probably too little too late for him.

    Cruz was Cruz.

    Trump said beforehand he’d try to tone it down and did. Wasn’t at his best but landed solid blows on Carly and Jeb.

    Jeb looked weak.

    Carson sounded drugged.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  61. Lot says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I would be curious how much of your readership still subscribes to cable television?

    I have not had a TV since leaving the nest.

    Video games and web surfing are far more fun ways of staring at a screen. Or for something passive, watching music videos. This one is a lot more entertaining that the GOP debate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXx7LZdrqHE

    (The dialog at the start is Afrikaans.)

    Here’s something more domestic, late Elvis at his peak in ’72:

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    , @Bill B.
  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @GW

    He’s really creepy in general. He has a really oleaginous appearance and demeanor with his slick hair, that terrible accent, and the preacher/used car salesman speaking style.

  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    The first debate was in Ohio, with probably lots of Reagan Democrats and more working class types in the audience.

    Aren’t California Republicans traditionally more business oriented middle/upper middle class types?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @GW

    “Rand is solid on non-interventionism and federalism but goes soft by saying poor little dindus are bearing the brunt of the drug laws. No dumbass, dindus go to jail for possessing an ounce of pot when whites don’t because dindus are on probation for assault and are carrying a gun and plead down to holding pot.”

    I prefer Paul on civil liberties and foreign policy grounds, and for the fact that he, unlike several of the other candidates, has not been a professional politician his entire adult life. However he is a no-show on the immigration issue, and that happens to be the single most important issue there is. And his courting of the black vote comes off as stupid. Those people aren’t going to vote for him, and by appealing to people like him, he’s just going to turn off the rest of us.

    Trump is better on immigration, and at least he doesn’t seem antagonistic towards Russia.

    Carson is a token candidate; his following seems to consist only of Republicans who want to be able to say: “See, we can vote for a black guy too. We’re not racists. Honest!”

    Bush, Christie, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Fiorina, and Walker – all taken together – are worth less than a bucket of warm spit.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    , @tbraton
  65. anon • Disclaimer says:

    wild guess but I’m wondering if Fiorina might quit

  66. Jefferson says:
    @Lot

    I saw that chick in Chappie. Does she always play underclass White trash roles in South African films?

    • Replies: @Lot
  67. Mr. Anon says:
    @24AheadDotCom

    “Let me put this in stark terms: if you’re smart and you’re a patriotic American,…..”

    I have seen no evidence here that you are either of those things.

    As to the rest of your post – did you write it drunk? It read like it.

  68. Anon123 says:
    @tbraton

    Its been rumored for a while now that Ted Cruz is actually angling for a nomination to the Supreme Court. The fact that he even brought up up how bad previous Republican choices seems to indicate hes going to start making his intentions more open. Also, with the enemies hes made among the Republican Establishment, really only Trump would have the stomach to go war with the party to push him through. It makes sense now to start earning goodwill. I also believe if Trump is going to give any other candidate the VP spot, it’ll be Carson, for the obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jefferson
  69. Bert says:

    Walker sure has gone from hero to zero in the blink of an eye. I’m willing to bet he’ll be the first “real” candidate to drop out (since nobody really cared about Perry or any of those kids table debate jokers).

  70. Jefferson says:
    @Anonymous

    “The first debate was in Ohio, with probably lots of Reagan Democrats and more working class types in the audience.

    Aren’t California Republicans traditionally more business oriented middle/upper middle class types?”

    There are also California Republicans who are Right Wing on the issue of immigration. Remember when White people in Murrieta, California were protesting over their city being a dumping ground for buses full of Mexican and Central American Illegals.

    Even in a state as blue as California, you still find some pockets of Right Wing communities. Murrieta is part of The Inland Empire.

  71. @Anon123

    Trump’s VP possibilities include Fiorina to attack Hillary and Romney as a Republican who is ready to step in as President in case of tragedy.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    , @LondonBob
  72. Jefferson says:
    @Mr. Anon

    ” And his courting of the black vote comes off as stupid. Those people aren’t going to vote for him, and by appealing to people like him, he’s just going to turn off the rest of us.”

    I bet Donald Trump can win a higher percentage of the Black vote than Rand Paul. Chris Rock’s brother Tony Rock referred to Donald Trump as a gangsta with swag. In the Black community that is considered a compliment.

  73. Jefferson says:
    @Anon123

    “I also believe if Trump is going to give any other candidate the VP spot, it’ll be Carson, for the obvious reasons.”

    If Donald Trump chooses Ben Carson as his VP running mate, than Hillary Clinton will counter that by choosing either Cory Booker, the fake “Amerindian” Elizabeth Warren or someone who actually resembles an Amerindian in phenotype Julian Castro as her VP running mate. I would be extremely shocked if Hillary Clinton chose a White male as her VP running mate, unless he is openly Homosexual like Barney Frank.

    There is a 99 percent chance her VP running mate will be either Mexican, African American, a woman, a Homosexual, or a combination of those.

  74. Given how much she has always been a Zio-bot, boy am I pleasantly surprised by Miss Coulter’s twitter feed.

  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Simi Valley-area Reps are timid SWPL aspiring-goodwhites or worse. I can’t imagine the formulation of a less representative crowd– maybe in Jackson Hole or Honolulu.

    The decree has already come down to Fox/Dow Jones/Chamber/AIPAC/Jesus Inc. organs a while ago that the Rube is their man… Brace yourself for a week of desperate puffery as Rube bestrides the donor media like El Colosso. It may even draw in the dimmer “mainstream conservative” Kathleen Parker types who aren’t plugged in but will say that Rube is now the most plausible Maximo Jefe, if everyone else is saying it

  76. Buzz Mohawk says: • Website

    The airplane looked great.

    A tighter setting, more time, and better questions yielded something more substantive than debate number one.

    Most all candidates “did well,” and improved upon their last “performance,” while still reciting prepared remarks in an obvious manner. Some will gain polling points soon.

    Many questions were loaded opportunities to attack candidate Trump. Like when a volleyball player pops the ball up in the air near the net so his teammate can spike it…

    while…

    No questions concerned our suicidally unbalanced trade practices.

    Yeah. Lots of time spent talking about Planned Parenthood, but none on the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

    The debate was a good show, and it won’t make a whit of difference with regard to who actually wins the nomination. Appropriately, Mr. Trump congratulated CNN on a long and profitable program which, as he pointed out, must have given them a lot of good commercial time.

  77. Lot says:
    @Jefferson

    No, she’s a singer. That’s the only real movie she has ever been in:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolandi_Visser

    Her persona is usually trashy, but she also does rich trashy:

    She gets away with doing blackface in this video too. Ravers and hipsters can’t be racist, if they seem to be that’s just them being ironic.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
  78. Maj. Kong says:
    @Jefferson

    If Hillary loses to Biden in SC, she will get spooked and drop out.

    Cory Booker could then enter the race for the Presidency itself, or align with Biden.

    The Ds don’t have a minority female state officeholder, until Commissar Kamala Harris is seated as Senator in 2017.

  79. Maj. Kong says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Too much bad blood between Trump and Fiorina, her business record sunk her in 2010, and would do so again. A lesser known factor is that Fiorina is responsible for the selection of Palin as VP in 2008.

    If she could be convinced to take it, Gov. Martinez of NM would be the best selection. Cruz would be better for ideological reasons, but I’m more interested in pursuing Midwestern blue-collars. Walker has been a lead balloon.

    Bruce Rauner of IL is too much of a social liberal for VP, but it would be the first dual-billionaire ticket.

  80. The second Republican debate was much better than the first one. Everyone stepped up his game, but that means you have to step up your game even more to stand out.

    Best overall performances: Fiorina, Rubio, Cruz

    Worst overall performances: Paul, Walker

    Performed above expectations: Fiorina, Christie, Trump

    Performed below expectations: Kasich

    Best fight scene: Bush vs Trump on casinos in Florida. Jeb must not be our candidate. He’s another Romney. Worse, he’s a Romney named Bush. Remember how Romney let the moderator lady shut him up about Benghazi in the third presidential debate? That’s what Trump did here.

    Best sense of humor: Trump easily this time. Last time, it was Carson but now he’s trying to seem all serious and knowledgeable.

  81. Like the alt-right twitter “poaster” says:
    “It’s who wins the post-debate debate that wins the debate”

    Drudge is showing Trump at 62% and Ann Coulter pissed off the Jews. A lot of the post debate Twitter is directed at her and not the debate. Politico asks, “Is the Summer of Trump Over?” after publishing the screed from “former” GOP consultant Rick Wilson “It’s Time To Go To War with Trump”. This is after getting all butt-hurt by Alt-Right Twitter and declaring a war between the GOP and The Troll Party. So interesting that lib writers keep up this “It’s over!!” and then it isn’t. Rick Wilson maybe better get a job over there with the Shitlibs because his career is probably doomed on the right.

    So given the responses, maybe Carly takes some of Carson’s support and becomes the horse the MSM puts their ink and airtime behind now. Trump stays where Trump is. There was nothing that would cause The Troll Party to go, “Never mind”. The Twitters say Jeb-low energy, Jeb-beta, Trump Alpha for saying No to “apologize to my wife”, Carly botox face, Carly Broomstick, Carson Clueless, Good Surgeon-Bad President, Cruz sucking up to Trump, Mario-Amnesty Traitor.

    I see the witch memes coming out very soon now. She’s gonna have a rough Halloween season.

    But the GOP Kingmaker here is Sailer. One tweet said “Alt-right Twitter has more influence than GOP journalists”. And everyone of those guys Tweet links to Sailer. So Sailer is like some King Henry saying about Beckett, “Won’t someone rid me of that troublesome man.” and then the alt-right tweeters send out minions. The Right Stuff has huge numbers of active trolls. And Vaughn is getting huge views and NYT references. And I am positive Vaughn is a Sailer disciple. So then they go forward into their own blogs and into comment sections all over the internet and drive the conversation.

    So then whatever Sailer posts tomorrow will drive the post-debate debate. It doesn’t even have to be directly about any one of the candidates. If he keeps driving immigration then Trump scores. So we’ll see tomorrow. My bet is the posts will probably be on immigration, directly or indirectly.

    • Replies: @MTT
  82. Olorin says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s a national ritual of ochlocratic political communication. Like the Super Bowl, which is designed to remind us all that gladiatorial combat and advertising are more important than anything else.

    I don’t know why people take it so seriously.

    We also don’t have cable so spent the night making firewood then taking a sauna and finishing the bottle of single malt I won in a bet with a friend who was sure there’d be nationwide (shootin’ type) race war in August. I couldn’t see the UniParty allowing/encouraging that to interrupt its management of the early brackets for the POTUS Bowl. Thank you, Islay, for making the loss more pleasant.

  83. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I see the witch memes coming out very soon now.

    Yeah. Killer instinct – not nice but (i’m guessing) effective.

    Surprised Paul didn’t drop out after the gene comment.

    Carson for the obvious reasons

    He’d be better off specifically never doing things for the obvious reasons.

  84. @Anonymous

    Carson said tonight that he was referring specifically to farm workers. He said that he spoke with farmers who said they need workers

    56 million Mexicans here, and there is still a farm laborer shortage.

  85. What is the point of a debate with 17 people in it? The other thing is why does The Donald climb into a mosh pit with a dozen candidates that are polling in the low single digits? At some point the field needs to winnow out or else all we will hear are 30 second sound bites. And then we have Hillary who is refusing to debate. She will be coronated without ever having to give an unscripted presentation.

  86. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I think Fiorina is pretty hot myself. That´s why I believed Trump when he said it was about persona.

    • Replies: @anon
  87. Deduction says:
    @24AheadDotCom

    At this point I don’t know why anybody here wouldn’t vote for Trump. Even if all of the other candidates parrot or even actually believe in his clear and concise position on immigration it seems pretty obvious that only Trump would have a hope of actually enacting it.

    He’s running against the billionaire class and their media and winning. That is amazing in itself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  88. tbraton says:
    @David Bruce

    ” I was surprised that !Jeb! didn’t pick Frid Kahlo, Sonia Sotomayor, or his wife.”

    If he had, I’m sure he would said it in Spanish. If he had picked his wife, I’m sure he would have added, “the love of my life.” His line about his Secret Service code name made me laugh: “Energizer.” Then turning to Trump and adding “it’s a high energy battery.” Even Trump laughed before topping it by saying his code name would be “Humble.” He’s the only one who appears to be having a good time.

  89. Bill B. says:
    @Lot

    The Afrikaans video is a reminder of how effective the repeated stroking of the primal instincts can be. That we have become a world of titilated consumers even when the advertiser has nothing to sell. And of course quantity has a quality of its own.

  90. @tbraton

    @tbraton
    Good point–Bush was debating in front of a Reganite crowd, which probably explains his random pick of Margaret Thatcher. And that was pretty hilarious how Trump couldn’t let Jeb tell a better joke than him; Trump came off as the cool guy, while Jeb looked like the awkward and weird guy trying to get people to like him. I bet Trump is having a blast because he can say what he wants and doesn’t have to worry about the owners.

  91. LondonBob says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Trump had/has Roger Stone advising him so I think he will be very careful with his VP pick, can’t have an LBJ type there, could prove fatal.

  92. Bill B. says:
    @Lot

    I notice there is a Miley Cyrus scene at 4′ 40″…

  93. @tbraton

    [Bush’s] line about his Secret Service code name made me laugh: “Energizer.” Then turning to Trump and adding “it’s a high energy battery.”

    “Energizer” is the Secret Service code name for the busty blond who meets Bill at the Chappaqua house when Hillary’s out. That’s gotten a lot of play in the Enquirer and a recent book, so it’s a little odd that Bush would claim it for his own.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    , @Vendetta
  94. Blobby5 says:
    @Lot

    Great points, same in upstate NY, pretty bleak except for the carbon blobs on the government payrolls…errrrr…I mean ‘heroes’.

  95. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You may be right. I have no opinion on that as I don’t know what she looks like.

    My assumption is he’s going for what he thinks are psychological weak spots.

    We shall see.

  96. ANNNE COULTER! Yes. Finally. How many fing je ws do they they think there are in usa….

  97. @Jefferson

    Her girlfriend thuma or whatever its name is?

  98. Hacienda says:

    Fiorina declared war on all races that are not butchwhitewomen. Got no blowback.

    Trump in a scene out of a monster/comic movie grabbed Paul by the throat with his left hand and lifted him a foot off the ground. Later did the same to Jeb. But, Jeb played like he was enjoying it. Then Trump got all funky with Carson and did a high five with him while singing Steve Wonder’s Livin’ for the City. Trump then played Bruce Wayne by just in a genious stroke finding the cure for autism!

    Ted Cruz declared that he was Cuban first. F+ck this nonsense about being American.

    Rand Paul declared he was sent by that race of space aliens that appeared at the end of the Star Trek episode where Kirk defeated the slow moving Lizard. Paul said that all men must live in peace and that he was Justice incarnate.

    Huckabee, glistening from the deepest wellsprings of life, declared God’s hatred for homosexuals.

    Carson made a diagnosis.

    Rosa Parks is the greatest American woman of all time. Princess Diane should be nominated for the 20, because why not?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  99. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Steve

    Must read:The Daily Mail interview with Carly Sneed’s first husband Todd Bartlem. He describes Carly Sneed as a merciless MBA Corporate psychopath devoid of humanity. Frank Fiorina’s ex-wife got their two daughters after the divorce. She stated emphatically in the Daily Mail interview that Carly Fiorina had very little contact with Frank Fiorina’s late daughter. She claims that Carly Fiorina is just using her dead daughter as a campaign prop.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  100. tbraton says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “Carson is a token candidate; his following seems to consist only of Republicans who want to be able to say: “See, we can vote for a black guy too. We’re not racists. Honest!” ”

    I’m totally puzzled by Carson’s high standing in the polls. Your suggestion is as good as any: white guilt. I thought it was because of his modesty and religious demeanor which seems to really impress evangelicals. I thought his proposal of making illegals do agricultural work was silly. I interpreted his remarks to apply to all illegals, in which case he would discover that it is not just Americans who don’t want to do that kind of work but a large percentage of illegals as well. One good thing about his idea is that it might start a lot of “self-deportation.” I don’t see any qualifications to be president: no substantial executive experience, no prior political experience, not exactly a wiz when it comes to mastery of political issues. Since he is not qualified to be president, he is not qualified to be vice president (“a heartbeat away”). I expect to see him start to fizzle in the polls. Looking ahead, I see nothing after Iowa where he likely to do well. I don’t think Trump would like having him on the ticket. It’s too soon to be speculating about possible VPs anyway. That will have to wait until we see how the primaries go. I have previously said it is unlikely that Trump will pick Cruz as his running mate, for he doesn’t need Cruz to carry Texas. Another poster suggested that Cruz is looking to be appointed to the Supreme Court, which makes a lot of sense. He’s very bright, conservative and young, sort of like the Justice he clerked for, William Rehnquist, when he was first appointed. I also previously threw out the names of Walker and Kasich as possible running mates, but Walker looks much less likely in light of his big drop in the polls and Kasich would have to do well in the primaries to justify his selection. Of the two, I think Ohio counts for a lot more than Wisconsin in a Presidential race, and Kasich offers a lot more experience than Walker. So, if you were to limit VP speculation to the existing field, I would have to say that Kasich looks better than anyone. Otherwise, I can’t come up with a good candidate.

    One matter that hasn’t received much attention is the dispute between Trump and Fiorina on birthright citizenship. As even Rand Paul conceded, Trump stands on firmer ground than Fiorina. Trump believes correctly that the matter can be handled through legislation, while Fiorina erroneously thinks a constitutional amendment is necessary, which indicates either that she hasn’t done her homework or is blinded by ideological considerations. Trump clearly has the better legal advisers.

  101. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Deduction

    At this point I don’t know why anybody here wouldn’t vote for Trump. Even if all of the other candidates parrot or even actually believe in his clear and concise position on immigration it seems pretty obvious that only Trump would have a hope of actually enacting it.

    He’s running against the billionaire class and their media and winning. That is amazing in itself.

    Yeah, what other candidate would have the balls to say they’d sock it hard to the hedge fund guys?!! And CEOs are overpaid because of the non-kosher practice of having their friends on the board. They gut companies and sell out the American middle class. Sounds like Sanders or Buchanan.

  102. tbraton says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I am pretty sure that Jeb!!! had no idea that Clinton’s babe had the same moniker. He was clearly referring to the battery. That’s how I and I suspect millions of others watching the debate took it.

  103. AP says:

    Trump: Nice words about assimilation but very vague, seemed like he was trying to bluff his way to victory in a reality show. “Fantastic”, “everyone will get what they want” “it’ll be the best” “I don’t know but believe me when the time comes I will know cause I’ll get the best people ever.”

    Bush: Boring and weak as usual, despite towering over everyone else physically.

    Fiorina: Angel of death who will strike down America’s and Israel’s enemies. Probably the most intelligent person on stage. Wikipedia says she studied medieval history and philosophy at Stanford. attack on PP done well.

    Rubio: Did very well. Possible VP candidate.

    Christie: Also did very well.

    Cruz: I agree with whoever saw him as a slick car salesman type. Has a very high-pitched voice.

    Carson: Does anyone really think this guy could be a president?

    Kasich: Boring, and the most sweaty and fidgety person there. Too bad, he might have been the most competent president, and would have carried critical Ohio.

    Paul: Made some nice points, but is probably the only Republican to whine about white privilege.

  104. Vendetta says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thought he said “Everready.”

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  105. @tbraton

    I don’t watch much TV, so I don’t know anything about Dr. Carson other than that he’s a black conservative brain surgeon. He seems like a respectable placeholder, better than Herman Cain last time, for people who get called up by a pollster but who don’t want to emotionally commit themselves yet. So they say “Carson.” Hey, it’s only September 2015.

    If Dr. Carson leverages the publicity he’s getting as a Presidential candidate into a lucrative retirement career as an after-dinner speaker, well, that seems fine with me.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  106. @Hacienda

    “Rand Paul declared he was sent by that race of space aliens that appeared at the end of the Star Trek episode where Kirk defeated the slow moving Lizard.”

    Last March, I went to a Pacific Opera Project production of Mozart’s “Abduction from the Seraglio” that acted out that entire notorious scene from Star Trek with an out of shape Kirk fighting a fat lizard alien:

    By the way, if you live in SoCal and like zany antics and don’t mind opera, P.O.P. is pretty cheap night out:

    http://www.pacificoperaproject.com/

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @Marty
  107. Wade says:
    @Clifford Brown

    This is an important point. Unlike the first debate which had a pretty raucous crowd, the audience at The Reagan Library was small and looked pre-selected to lean more towards Chamber of Commerce types.

    Yeah this was really apparent whenever Jeb defended the idea that his brother’s escapades in the Middle East made the US a safer place. This was in response to one of Trump’s best moments — him arguing that taking out Saddam Hussein had destabilized the region for the worse. The crowd went wild for Jeb! taking up for W.

    It was tough for Trump because there was absolutely no applause lines for him even after his best moments.

    I noticed Rense Penis… errr Reince Priebus acting as announcer right before they began the debate so I assumed that The GOP had a lot of influence in producing the debate so it wasn’t a surprise to me the treatment Trump got by the audience.

  108. iffen says:

    I feel much better knowing that no matter which one is elected they will definitely secure our border.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  109. Lagertha says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, Carson sounded like a stoner. Fiorina’s Russian crusade sounded so 1980’s…even if Putin has been outrageously quixotic these last couple of years. Cruz is still on the Princeton debate team.

    All of them were pitching for a VP/Cabinet position, and Trump knew it. I was disgusted that Tapper’s first dig at Trump was to make Fiorina speculate on Trump’s ideas…I was like whaaa? Tapper made such a jerk out of himself because he was trying all night to humiliate/diminish Trump…but no one, not-a-one could take the dagger out of Tapper’s cold dead hands and finally, stab Trump through the heart.

    It really just wound up like an interview for cast for the next Celebrity Apprentice – and, btw, those snide jokes about Donald’s show didn’t work. Plus, Dana Bash was completely ignored…Tapper at times, remembered she was there. Her questions were better and more “stately.”

    And, when is everyone who leans GOP, gonna get it through their heads that abortion/gay marriage/guns are so over? – the public only cares about jobs/immigration/domestic financial anxiety.

    Donald was saved from having to expound on women’s “health” by saying “I love women,” (duh, we totally get that…although, his exes don’t complain, and have y’all seen how beautiful his children and grandchildren are?) Next, much to Tapper’s annoyance, Trump got interrupted (everyone was interrupting and getting impatient – it was a disaster) and never, like never, had to go back to talk about lady parts and baby parts. Which reminds me: sheesh! Carly blew it with the visceral description of babies corpses on a surgical table! And, all I could think about was, “why do women put themselves under the knife to look younger?” Of course, I have pain phobia…so must live with wrinkles.

  110. Lagertha says:
    @iffen

    hahaa! loud and clear, alright, alright, alright!

    • Replies: @iffen
  111. Lagertha says:
    @Vendetta

    you’re right: Eveready

    • Replies: @tbraton
  112. eah says:

    Trump is too often coarse and gruff — this will hurt him eventually because it is not presidential — eg there is no reason whatsoever to say anything about Bush’s wife or Fiorina’s face — just keeping to the issues he has plenty of ammunition to score big hits — I hope he gets and takes good advice about this soon.

  113. Lagertha says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I got that feeling without even reading your comment…to me, she is a token, too. People will not get over her lackluster performance (she was fired) from HP. Kinda’ ironic considering, “you’re fired,” Trump’s words will be used a lot this year – hmmm? Trump should trademark those words! Attacks on Trump’s casinos will not work, either. Let’s face it: most of those candidates have never stepped foot in a casino, it’s not their thing. Many Americans seem to like casinos, and, I believe they won’t care about Trump’s casinos folding in AC. I actually, went to trade shows in AC in the early 80’s…and that place has never gotten the buzz/allure that Vegas has. And, now, it’s back to the 80’s ghost town it was long ago. Casinos all over the eastern seaboard killed-off AC.

  114. Trump
    – AMOG’ed Jeb on his energy level. lolz
    – Jeb asked him to apologize to Columba… “No. I’m not gonna do that.” lolz
    – Got repealing/reinterpreting/re-vamping the 14th Amendment and ending birthright citizenship debated on live TV.
    – Got English as the official language debated on live TV.
    – Trolled Fiorina so hard she turned to stone.
    – Translation on Russia/Syria: “I’ll get a long with Putin because he’ll respect me as a biological male with functioning testes. He’ll eat the rest of you sackless chumps for lunch.”
    – Entered a hostile environment, came out unscathed

    Jeb
    – Tried to beat Trump at his own game, got pwn3d
    – Does he talk about his wife so much to distract from questions about his dipshit brother?
    – Made it clear that he really likes speaking Spanish.
    – Foreign policy starts and ends with Israel. Pathetic.

    Cruz
    – Top dawg in the VP fight

    Carson
    – Cuckservatives love him because he’s black and that proves they’re not racist.
    – Played the “crops rotting in the fields” card.
    – Your 15 minutes are about over

    Fiorina
    – Cuckservatives love her because she’s female and that proves they’re not sexist.
    – Bibi! Israel! Bibi! Israel!
    – Putin = Hitler!
    – Trump said she sucked at running HP. Responded that the person who compiled the evidence was a Clinton plant. Huh?
    – Your 15 minutes are about over.

    Paul
    – Plus one for being sensible about Putin/Russia
    – Plus one for not mentioning Israel
    – Plus one for slapping birthright citizenship around

    Huckabee
    – Yeah, what Corn said (#45). That was a great analogy.

    Rubio
    – Did you know his parents were immigrants?
    – Seriously, they were.
    – Did you know all of his neighbors are immigrants?
    – Seriously, they are.
    – Not sure why he’s running for president of this country?

    Christie
    – Came a cross as likable on camera
    – Got in a few good jabs.

    Kasich
    – VP potential. Could deliver Ohio and its electoral votes to Trump.
    – Kind of a non-entity

    Walker
    – Wait, which one was he again?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  115. MarkinLA says:
    @Bugg

    If you get your internet from cable, they won’t let you stream the normal video without a TV subscription. The stations ask for your cable login.

  116. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    I was too until he went libertarian on immigration. No way to maintain a middle class with endless immigration.

  117. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    He had to walk that statement back. It is ridiculous on it’s face. What about the poor burger joint owner who needs people to man the 24 hour drive through window. He needs people working at minimum wage to make that work. Everybody, has a hard time finding people willing to do crap work for crap pay.

  118. Svigor says:

    FFS, we’re all here talking about a TV debate (and an American presidential election!) and none of us watch TV.

    PP is probably Planned Parenthood.

    Fiorina has obviously taken the female advantage in politics (it’s sort of like the southpaw advantage in sports) to heart. She’s exploited it so far by beating cankles like a rented mule, and going after Planned Parenthood.

    I like what Rand Paul says, except for a flat tax.

    Libertardians are so oligarch-friendly, they don’t care if anyone notices that “flat tax” is Oligarch Heaven.

    The candidates were asked which woman they would put on the ten dollar bill.

    A proper answer would be something like, “I can think of any number of women who would do a better job of coming up with qood debate questions than you, Jake. America deserves better from the media.”

    And CEOs are overpaid because of the non-kosher practice of having their friends on the board. They gut companies and sell out the American middle class. Sounds like Sanders or Buchanan.

    Unlike, say, corporate raider Carl Icahn, who Trump apparently loves and wants to make Sec. of Treasury. Quick Google didn’t turn up anything about him shilling for Israel, so there’s that.

  119. iffen says:
    @Lagertha

    What do you make of Kasich’s use of the term Western Civilization?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  120. tbraton says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, after the 3 hr. debate (Trump said afterward he thought the debate was going to be 2 hrs, but congratulated CNN on all the extra commercials they were able to squeeze in), I switched to Fox News to get their reactions, and Brit Hume cited Dr. Carson and the favorable impact he had made during his closing statement in the prior debate. As I pointed out in an earlier message on another thread, each candidate was given THIRTY SECONDS to make a closing statement at the end of the first debate. I even dug out the transcript and posted it and called Carson’s closing statement a “big fat nothing burger.” Really, what can anyone say in 30 seconds? Trump has been a total surprise to me, but he has accomplished his standing atop the polls by making some very astute comments and taking some bold actions as a candidate. (He has a great ability to sum up a fellow candidate with a pithy phrase that captures the essence of that candidate so perfectly that you can’t think of that candidate without thinking of the phrase (e.g., Bush as the “low energy candidate”; Rick Perry as the candidate who thought putting on glasses would make people think he was smart). When I was growing up in D.C., Teddy Roosevelt’s daughter Alice was a fixture in the pages of the Washington Post. She is the one who had said of Tom Dewey that he reminded her of the “little man on the wedding cake,” a description which stuck to him the rest of his life.)

    On the other hand, Carson’s rise in the polls have mystified me since I have seen nothing in the two debates that has impressed me at all. But he is a “doctor,” and having a “Dr.” before one’s name seems to impress an awful lot of people. In my experience, doctors are relatively incompetent outside their specialties, even when they are good at that. And most of them seem to be imbued with the erroneous notion that they have all the answers to problems outside of their medical fields.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Former Darfur
  121. Hacienda says:
    @Steve Sailer

    When they legalize pot in California, that will be on my bucket list.

  122. tbraton says:
    @Lagertha

    My mistake. He did say “Eveready” and not “Energizer.” Here’s the transcript:

    “BUSH: Ever Ready, it’s very high energy, Donald.”

  123. Lagertha says:
    @iffen

    can’t remember what he said? I was getting distracted by my husband, and dogs (they don’t like loud laughter) at what was said. I was watching everyone’s body language a lot. But, if I remember Kasich at all, I think he was trying to bring up more international problems and stay away from guns, gays, abortion…missed the context of “Western Civ.”

  124. tbraton says:
    @tbraton

    In my prior comment, I alluded to the exchange between Trump and Fiorina re the 14th Amendment and “birthright citizenship.” I stated that Trump had the much better argument and seemed better prepared than Fiorina. It turns out that she doesn’t even have a firm grasp on how to amend the Constitution. Here is the relevant part of the transcript of last night’s debate:

    “FIORINA: …the truth is, you can’t just wave your hands and say “the 14th Amendment is gonna go away.” It will take an extremely arduous vote in Congress, followed by two-thirds of the states, and if that doesn’t work to amend the Constitution, then it is a long, arduous process in court.”

    There are several ways to amend the Constitution that are set out in the Constitution itself. The standard way is for both houses of Congress to approve and send to the states for ratification any proposed amendment by 2/3 votes of all members present (assuming a quorum is present). Ratification by the states, according to Wikipedia (I am citing Wikipedia rather than the Constitution since the entry contains a little dollop of history):

    “To become an operative part of the Constitution, an amendment, whether proposed by Congress or a national constitutional convention, must be ratified by either:
    The legislatures of three-fourths (at present 38) of the states;

    OR
    State ratifying conventions in three-fourths (at present 38) of the states.

    Congress has specified the state legislature ratification method for all but one amendment. The ratifying convention method was used for the Twenty-first Amendment, which became part of the Constitution in 1933.” [The 21st Amendment, of course, was the repeal of Prohibition contained in the 18th Amendment.]

    Thus, ratification must be by 3/4 of the states, not 2/3 of the states, as Fiorina maintained at the debate. I wonder if the MSM which is so fawning over Fiorina will expose this serious error by the “surging in the polls” and still at 4% Carly Fiorina. Now, if it were Trump who made such an egregious error. . . .

    P.S.–Fiorina’s reference to the “long, arduous process in court” also seems to indicate a lack of understanding about the legislative process. If Trump is elected, a bill will be introduced in Congress making clear that the birthright clause of the Constitution does not apply to babies born of illegal aliens. If passed by Congress and surely signed by President Trump, it becomes law immediately and remains law unless and until a court overrules the law. It will be a challenger of the new law who initiates the court process, and the burden of overturning the law will be on him. There is no “long, arduous court process” necessary for the change to become law. All that is required is passage by Congress and signature by the President for the bill to become law.

    P.P.S.—I think Trump also did well when discussing vaccinations and autism. He made it clear that the it was the concentration of powerful vaccines given at one time to babies, not the vaccines themselves, which lead to autism. For that reason, he recommended spacing out the vaccinations over a period of years. Both Dr. Carson and Dr. Rand Paul agreed with Trump on this point, much to the evident disappointment of Jake Tapper.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  125. Marty says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I googled “Kirk fight lizard”. At the resulting youtube, one of the suggested follow-ups is, “30-yard pitch shot with Calvin Peete.”

  126. tbraton says:
    @tbraton

    I was watching Fox News tonight, and they declared Fiorina the “winner” of last night’s debate. I think Trump would be well advised to raise at the next debate, if not before, the fact that Fiorina completely misstated the requirements of the U.S. Constitution about the procedures for amending the Constitution. That was something I learned in high school. I don’t think he can count on the anti-Trump press to raise this issue, so he has to take the offensive himself. Fiorina stated at the debate that 2/3 of the states had to approve a Constitutional amendment whereas the real requirement is 3/4 of the states. No wonder she failed as CEO of Hewlett-Packard.

    BTW this is how the NY Times described Fiorina today:

    “With the Republican race so centered on Mr. Trump’s antics, Mrs. Fiorina’s detailed answers on questions of foreign and domestic policy may help steer the tenor of the campaign away from personality and celebrity and back toward substance.”

    Well, describing Fiorina as a person of “substance” requires turning a blind eye to the utter nonsense she was spouting at the debate. “Substance” my ass. She was wrong about a Constitutional amendment being necessary to change the birthplace citizenship rule and she was wrong about the requirements to amend the Constitution. She is no more a woman
    “of substance” than I am CEO of Hewlett-Packard.

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  127. Tipo 61 says:

    It seemed like the audience was stuffed with cheering neocons.

  128. Lagertha says:
    @tbraton

    There is an air of desperation and neurotic melt-down among both Republicans and Democrats that I have NEVER witnessed since I was in HS in the late 70’s. Because of my weird background, I never registered for either party since I don’t like to join a team where I don’t know what the ultimate level of loyalty for the objective is. How I have avoided not being a complete cynic and hating everybody is due to my father’s wish that I always look for the bright side of things…whoa, just channeling him right now thinking about Sunday PBS, all of us laughing at Monty Python: “always look on the bright side of things…” I was such a daddy’s girl. All you guys, including the singles, be good to your girls in your life. They will take care of you at the end of your days.

  129. @anon

    Carly did the cover of Forbes magazine with several male CEOs. It’s obvious, was obvious at the time, that the original intent was to parody or homage a late-1970s pop album cover and that somewhere along the way they got cold feet and muted it severely. If they had done it all the way it would have been great because while-as Howard Stern said of Steffi Graff, she has “great legs and a collie’s face”-she’d have looked great in that little white dress with the armband (which itself was a homage to Nancy Sinatra)… From the neck down anyway.

  130. @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Nice recap. Haven’t heard much from you lately…

  131. @tbraton

    Outside of medicine, doctors tend to be very competent in fields that they are well formally trained in and which they take seriously. Which is why physicians make up a disproportionate number of champion aerobatic competition pilots, yet as Sunday pasture aviators they tend to leave a lot of Bonanza shaped smoking holes in the ground.

    Similarly, you will find a few physicians playing in amateur string quartets at a level rivaling full time pros, yet the guitar companies sell tens of millions of dollars of high end vintage reissue guitars and boutique amps to docs in rock bands that truly, truly suck but which “get gigs” because they pay the bar to play.

    Physicians tend not to be good at figuring things out on their own and tend also to be pretty cavalier about things they don’t feel others are monitoring them on with consequences attached (even when, as with sports car racing, light plane flying, and so forth they are actually quite dangerous if not taken absolutely seriously.)

  132. @AP

    Cruz: I agree with whoever saw him as a slick car salesman type. Has a very high-pitched voice.

    I listened to the debate on a podcast, so I was quite aware of how each candidate’s voice sounded, as it was the only way to distinguish them. It wasn’t hard, actually.

    I agree Cruz’s voice hurts him, especially as he’s not especially good-looking, either. He sounds whiny and hectoring. Some voice coaching might really help him out, because he seems to me the best combination of smarts and conservative tendencies.

    Rubio also has a fairly high-pitched voice, but he does a much better job of modulating it and working in vocal variety.

    Fiorina has a nice enough voice; she doesn’t sound screechy and shrill like Hillary, for example.

    Heb actually has quite a nice deep voice — much better than his father’s or brother’s — but he sounds fluffy and not authoritative.

    Chris Christie’s voice is immediately recognizable and distinct. I guess this helps him.

    The other voice that stood out to me (just voice quality, i.e. setting content aside) was Mike Huckabee. He has a very well-modulated, pleasant, yet authoritative tone. Lots of TV practice has paid off, likely. He also sounds much smarter than his hickish name implies. If he were Skip Barrington from Connecticut, or even just Michael Miller from Wisconsin or Ohio, I think he’d be taken much more seriously. I hear ‘Huckabee’ and think ‘Applebees’ . . . .

    Oh, and Jake Tapper, the moderator, has a honking nasal voice I got heartily sick of listening to.

  133. tbraton says:
    @tbraton

    From my prior comment re Dr. Carson’s remarks at the debate re illegal aliens:

    “I thought his proposal of making illegals do agricultural work was silly. I interpreted his remarks to apply to all illegals, in which case he would discover that it is not just Americans who don’t want to do that kind of work but a large percentage of illegals as well. One good thing about his idea is that it might start a lot of “self-deportation.”

    Here is the relevant part of the debate transcript:

    “TAPPER: Senator Cruz — Senator Cruz, this week, we learned more about Dr. Carson’s plan for the 11 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants in this country.

    Dr. Carson proposed giving these undocumented immigrants a six- month grace period to pay back taxes then to let them become guest workers and only to deport people who failed to do that.

    CARSON: Not exactly what I said.

    TAPPER: Well, how would you say it, sir? I was just reading the Wall Street Journal quote, but please tell us.

    CARSON: Well, what I said, after we seal the borders, after we turn off the spigot that dispenses all the goodies so we don’t have people coming in here, including employment, that people who had a pristine record, we should consider allowing them to become guest workers, primarily in the agricultural sphere, because that’s the place where Americans don’t seem to want to work.

    That’s what I said. And they have a six-month period to do that. If they don’t do it within that time period, then they become illegal, and as illegals, they will be treated as such.”

    Well, if he intended his proposal re guest workers and agricultural work to be limited just to agricultural workers, he sure didn’t make that distinction clear at the debate, when he discussed his proposal in some detail. Judging from the way that Jake Tapper initially framed his question, it appears that Tapper was under the same impression as I, that Carson’s proposal extended to all the “11 to 12 million” illegal aliens in the country.

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