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Former World Bank economist Peter Koenig joins Truth Jihad Radio to push back against the insane censorship of all views that deviate even slightly from some vague notion of COVID-19 Orthodoxy—including last weekend’s YouTube censorship of False Flag Weekly News.

In his new article “Beware of Covid PCR Testing and the Relentless ‘Vaccinate Vaccinate Vaccinate’ Campaign” Peter writes: “… there is a relentless drive by western countries, foremost Europe and the US to vaccinate-vaccinate-vaccinate – and this with a substance that is not even qualifying as a vaccine, namely a new type of what’s also called ‘gene-therapy’, a mRNA-type injection which will affect the human genome and most likely the human DNA.”

In his previous article “The WEF’s Great Reset – Euphemism for a WWIII Scenario?” Peter Koening argues that we must resist the preplanned COVID-triggered Great Reset plan for total Orwellian cyber-surveillance and control while there is still time. He approvingly cites “the leading German Human Rights lawyer, Dr. Reiner Füllmich, a member of the Corona Investigative Committee, which investigates globally on the prosecution of fraudulent reporting of covid- vaccination, testing and leading to fraudulent ‘case figures’ – and to a massive drive to instill fear in the population. He and his team are launching several Class Action suits in the US and in Canada, and several lawsuits against individuals and institutions in Europe and the US. He calls these coming trials ‘Nuremberg 2’, after the Nuremberg trials following WWII.”

Peter also mentions COVID’s $7 trillion transfer from ordinary people to the oligarchy and plans for a currency reset triggered by a false flag cyber-attack on the banking system. Which raises the question: When the Great Resetters say “You will own nothing and be happy,” do they really mean “We will own everything and be happy”?

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  1. Peter Koenig should stick to economics unless and until he gains a high school level understanding of biology.

    and this [relentless campaign to vaccinate] with a substance that is not even qualifying as a vaccine, namely a new type of what’s also called ‘gene-therapy’, a mRNA-type injection which will affect the human genome and most likely the human DNA.”

    The most basic thing he needs to learn is the fundamental paradigm of molecular genetics, DNA->mRNA->proteins. With the proteins often getting returned back to individual amino acids to restart that part of the cycle, and the mRNA after it’s made enough copies of the protein it codes for getting returned to individual nucleotides and back to the nucleus to be transcribed into more mRNA.

    Without the retrovirus such as HIV proteins reverse transcriptase to convert mRNA to DNA (the RT in RT-PCR), and integrase to integrate it into your DNA, mRNA vaccines fit right into the normal life cycle of, well, life; in production they start with DNA. All proteins are made this way, and all “active” vaccines, the mRNA ones being added to the live virus ones like a bunch used in childhood and the first one for singles are means to the end of arranging for some mRNA to create some viral proteins inside cells. Like the pathogenic virus the protect from but in a controlled way to create a full spectrum immune system response, cellular as well as humoral AKA in your blood mediated by antibodies.

    Knowledge of the above biology is table stakes for usefully discussing active vaccines like the mRNA and viral vector ones, the latter major ones so far being AZ/Oxford, Janssen, and Sputnik V. And strange thing, after hundreds of millions of doses being administrated of the mRNA vaccines starting in December, they have a better safety record than the viral vector ones….

  2. @That Would Be Telling,

    “The most basic thing he needs to learn is the fundamental paradigm of molecular genetics, DNA->mRNA->proteins.”

    The most basic thing you need to learn is the fundamentals of war propaganda.

  3. @ThatWouldBeFibbing

    Suck curry in Calcutta, whore.

  4. @flashlight joe

    You don’t think Peter Koenig’s “war propaganda” is going to fail horribly when people realize he’s either completely ignorant about vaccines or lying about them, based on personal knowledge of getting vaccinated and of other people in their circles getting vaccinated? This is not something obscure, per the CDC (which you shouldn’t trust except for simple tallies like this one), 145 million people in the US have gotten one dose of a mRNA vaccine, 90 million two doses. 54.5% and 37.8% of the 18 years and older population.

    Those of us who follow this a bit in most places will also note COVID-19 hospital capacity and deaths have plummeted.

    Our ruling trash can be evil while a faction of them still being able to do good stuff, with that faction’s status and reputations resting on their works.

    • Replies: @anon
  5. @That Would Be Telling

    Things are more complicated than biology 101:

    Zhang, Liguo, Alexsia Richards, Andrew Khalil, Emile Wogram, Haiting Ma, Richard A. Young, and Rudolf Jaenisch. “SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome.” bioRxiv (2020).

    A review of this paper can be found at sciencewithdrdoug.com

    A quote:

    n this paper, they demonstrate that:

    1) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 Viral RNA can become integrated into human genomic DNA.

    2) This newly acquired viral sequence is not silent, meaning that these genetically modified regions of genomic DNA are transcriptionally active (DNA is being converted back into RNA).

    3) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA retro-integrated into human genomic DNA in cell culture. This retro-integration into genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients is also implied indirectly from the detection of chimeric RNA transcripts in cells derived from COVID-19 patients. Although their RNAseq data suggests that genomic alteration is taking place in COVID-19 patients, to prove this point conclusively, PCR, DNA sequencing, or Southern Blot should be carried out on purified genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients to prove this point conclusively. This is a gap that needs to be closed in the research. The in vitro data in human cell lines, however, is air tight.

    4) This viral retro-integration of RNA into DNA can be induced by endogenous LINE-1 retrotransposons, which produce an active reverse transcriptase (RT) that converts RNA into DNA. (All humans have multiple copies of LINE-1 retrotransposons residing in their genome.). The frequency of retro-integration of viral RNA into DNA is positively correlated with LINE-1 expression levels in the cell.

    5) These LINE-1 retrotransposons can be activated by viral infection with SARS-CoV-2, or cytokine exposure to cells, and this increases the probability of retro-integration.

    This research is from MIT and Harvard but was not peer reviewed at the time “Dr. Doug” (a Phd in molecular biology) made his comments. It will be interesting to find out what reactions to the paper will be over time.

  6. @That Would Be Telling

    … after hundreds of millions of doses being administrated of the mRNA vaccines starting in December, they have a better safety record than the viral vector ones….

    You might want to query the VAERS database on that point.

    The mRNA vaxx acts like a bad USB, hijacking your cells to produce spike proteins that are intended to trigger an immune response and requisite antibodies, which are short-lived by nature. They do nothing to trigger T-cell and B-cell memory, which would give longer-term immune response. This is not a flaw, this is a feature, as it does indeed mean that “boosters” become a necessary part of COVID life.

    If they had been serious about lasting immunity, or immunity in general for that matter, they would have included a fragment of the SARS-Cov2 nucleocapsid, to trigger a lasting immune response.

    In the meantime, it turns out the spike proteins your cells have hijacked to produce or have be introduced via vector are actually pathogenic, and are behind the clots, heart problems, and lung problems that are starting to crop up globally. Sure, most people will only have a sore arm and a headache, but a lot more are dropping from all of the COVID vaxxes than has been experienced with all other vaxxes since VAERS data started being captured.

  7. No one needs a vaccine for chink sniffles with a 99% survival rate.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  8. @MomsBasement

    I’ve been waiting for that paper to pass peer review, but it’s credible, albeit per Dr. Doug only incorporating bits of whole protein encoding sequences. Dr. Doug fails hard though when he leaps from a small number of cells expressing the stabilized spike protein, or non-stabilized in the case of (AZ/)Oxford’s and Gamaleya’s Sputnik V axiomatically resulting in auto-immune disease instead of for most people being recognized as alien and these cells getting wiped out by the adaptive immune system.

    The research was prompted by people who continued to have positive RT-PRC tests for whom this didn’t happen, at least to the two or so tiny bits of the virus tested for. This is of a piece of his generally failing to consider or at least speak about scale when the alternative is an uncontrolled infection from the virus, while making a big deal about how the mRNA in these vaccines has been tweaked for longer and better production of spike proteins.

    For people who’s survival from COVID-19 or subsequent variants depends on their adaptive immune systems, which we should presume will be everyone in the long term, for vaccine immunity that would only fail for those for whom the spike protein vaccines fail, or those who’s adaptive immune system response to inactivated whole virus or maybe the 2nd Russian vaccine does not react to the spike protein but does to others like the nucleocapsid.

    His insistence all this be emphasized so everyone can make an STEM college educated level informed decision is obviously ludicrous, but the general point requires people like me to modify our message should this line of research pan out. As it is, we already have to consider if bits of these proteins will be an issue like whole ones, which was the point of the retrovirus analogy. In this and his earlier blog posting on this topic I skimmed he reveals himself to be an anti-vaxxer; again, in a context where your options are getting a vaccine or getting an uncontrolled infection by the disease, perhaps several times due to variants and the eventual possibility of a new strain that escapes all or mostly all previous immunity.

    In that skimming of the second paper he reveals himself to not be familiar with the nearly two decades of research into SARS type coronavirus vaccines which is where I stopped. Worse, he doesn’t even realize such a thing would be likely, seeing as how SARS and MERS which is still with us due to it having a camel reservoir being so lethal, and the likelihood we’d one day be confronted with a species that transmits a lot better than them, like the suspiciously well adapted out of the bat, shall I say, SARS-CoV-2

    This research is from MIT and Harvard

    That’s generally a good sign, but not 100%. For the MIT PIs, have they gained tenure? (Harvard works differently, hiring lower level professors with the understanding they won’t get tenure, and being Harvard hiring from the very best in the field for full professors.)

  9. @Sick of Orcs

    You need to learn the word morbidity. “No one” is also very wrong when immediate, 30 day mortality is strongly age and comorbidity stratified, that “99% survival rate” which is very possibly a percent too high per the paper referenced in the link does not apply to older people like myself. When you consider excess all cause mortality (vs. less reliable Officially COVID-19 scored), using American figures your claim of no one needs a vaccine wouldn’t seem to apply to the over 600K already killed by the disease, and again see morbidity.

    • Troll: ivegotrythm
  10. anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:

    That would be telling is back with the Pfizer/Moderna propaganda line. His new catchphrase is “uncontrolled infection,” – he uses it twice for double scaryness !! – which in Moderna headquarters means nothing in the world can control COVID but vaccines. His other Big Lie is vague and duplicitous use of scale, “small number,” “tiny bits.” That sort of manipulation is kind of a problem when you’re giving everyone medical advice online.

    Interestingly, he vaunts his SARS chops and feints at an acknowledgement of the CIA origin of SARS-COV-2, by now well documented as Baric’s shop at UNC, and shown with probative circumstantial evidence. A text analysis would out this sock puppet pretty quickly.

    • Agree: Theophrastus
  11. @That Would Be Telling

    While the figures are prone to change, the consensus I’ve seen is the survival rate is 99% for every age group but drops to 94% for those over 80.

    I do sympathize with those particularly vulnerable, but those the most susceptible to covid are also in enhanced danger of dying from falls, strokes, heart attacks, cancers and the regular flu, which apparently no longer exists.

    While every death is tragic for a patient’s friends, family and community, 600,000 or even one million deaths out of a population of 330 million is infinitesimal and does not justify shutting down the country. (People casually refer to ‘lockdowns’ now, either not knowing or caring it’s a prison term.)

    The response to this fake pandemic was so overblown not even 100 million deaths worldwide (out of 7 billion) can make up for all the damage, waste and ill-gotten gains for tyrants in various forms, including the deliberately sabotaged American economy and stolen election, for which evidence is mounting.

    Had (((fake news))) not terrorized the public, NO ONE would have known covid existed, other than people in high-risk categories, medical personnel and nursing home staffs.

    The excessive promotion of these vaccines is now crossing lines into Salem witch trial territory for those refusing them, another indicator the ever-prospering wicked have sinister motives.

  12. JasonT says:

    Peter Koenig is one of the few people who have a good grasp on the program being implemented by the international financiers and their minions. This is why their shill “That Would be Telling” so quickly jumped into this thread and is responding to posts with his pseudo-science.

    • Replies: @Rubicon
    , @JasonT
  13. During the French Revolution, there were calls for depopulation. Those idiots thought France was “full” then. If you have ever flown on an airplane, you can see for yourself that the earth is still mostly EMPTY! And who can trust lying communists? The USSR lied all the time and so does China. They don’t have over a billion citizens, same with India. That is a “national security” lie for their defense. Many doctors still hold to eugenics. If someone is stupid enough to take a poison vaccine, the doctors are okay with that, cull the herd of the idiots. God will judge them all, eventually.

  14. @Sick of Orcs

    While the figures are prone to change, the consensus I’ve seen is the survival rate is 99% for every age group but drops to 94% for those over 80.

    I’ve never seen such figures, let alone a “consensus” (which is an illegitimate word in science, see global cooling, oops global warming, ah ha, you can’t falsify climate change!). Risks rise sharply starting with cohorts starting at 65 years of age, hence everyone of that age being in a priority group, and continue rising through 80 to 85+ years of age. See for example the can’t be trusted much CDC who might get something this simple correct (they have at least updated their figures to Feb 18th), or perhaps this source which I can’t comment on the accuracy of, or cite your own.

    You previously said:

    No one needs a vaccine for chink sniffles with a 99% survival rate.

    Which was frankly trolling. Now you say:

    While every death is tragic for a patient’s friends, family and community, 600,000 or even one million deaths out of a population of 330 million is infinitesimal and does not justify shutting down the country.

    Which is if anything worse, without vaccines we’d be on track to way exceed the 1918-9 flu pandemic. And then you bring in the gravamen of your objections to “this fake pandemic”, lockdowns which are not part of any point I’ve ever been making. I might in theory be glad COVID-19 mortality or morbidity hasn’t touched you or any of your loved ones, but this “fake pandemic” is still young and that could well change.

    Had (((fake news))) not terrorized the public, NO ONE would have known covid existed, other than people in high-risk categories, medical personnel and nursing home staffs.

    I take it you aren’t aware of what’s happening in India right now? How their failure to keep the curve bent has exceeded their admittedly modest hospital capacity, and now people are dying at much higher rates from COVID-19 and anything else for which you might need a hospital? Even with our “lockdowns” and other non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) we reached those levels in NYC and were right at that point and a bit beyond in a number of other locations.

    The excessive promotion of these vaccines is now crossing lines into Salem witch trial territory for those refusing them, another indicator the ever-prospering wicked have sinister motives.

    Or, just perhaps, failure to achieve herd immunity is going to get a lot more people you don’t care about killed or maimed? Your claim this has reached “Salem witch trial territory” is ludicrous on its face, I think you’re going to run out of metaphors long before actual measures get put in place once the two existing mRNA vaccines get full FDA licensure.

    • Troll: The Alarmist, R2b
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  15. Rubicon says:
    @JasonT

    We have been reading Peter Koenig’s articles about Covid for several months. To date, he has been very accurate regarding the shenanigans behind this totalitarian barrage of “injections”, and he has exposed the chief adherents behind this massive FRAUD.

  16. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Those of us who follow this a bit in most places will also note COVID-19 hospital capacity and deaths have plummeted.

    Decreasing numbers come with truth. COVID
    capacity and deaths were never high except in lies.

    Early on when hysteria raging, I contacted a dozen hospitals.
    No bodies piling up. No lack of beds. But many non-Covid
    labeled C19 for the extra dollars. Knife in chest? COVID.

    EXTRA:

    Anybody remember the fake, toe-in-the-water, coin shortage?
    Banks and Fed testing waters to get rid of cash.

    This bit of BS quietly forgotten. But will return.

    Covid and coin trickery.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  17. JasonT says:
    @JasonT

    And I would add, labelling people Trolls who call him out on his rubbish.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  18. @MomsBasement

    I see an issue with this paper that might have been addressed in it: where did the bit of mRNA that got integrated into these cells come from? I posit not from an uncontrolled infection of the cell, for that will result in it either dying from exhaustion you might say, or getting killed by the immune system. So I would expect the mRNA had to have come from other cells.

  19. @anon

    You’re ignoring that “all cause” mortality has increased even higher than Officially COVID-19 scored deaths. Something is killing huge numbers of Americans and people in other countries all of a sudden; if not COVID-19, what is it? And you’re fortunate to be in a location where hospital capacity never got close its limits; at one time in the last half year that wasn’t true for my region of the nation, no free beds within 150 miles.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  20. A one-paragraph synopsis of today’s global hysteria, Version 0.84:

    “Lock down”, deny human freedoms, devastate – psychologically, emotionally, and financially – hundreds of millions, perhaps billions – of people while coercively or forcibly injecting the entire world population with semi-effective, unproven, poorly tested, potentially cataclysmal, rushed vaccines and experimental genetic injections that stop neither infection nor transmission, supplied and promoted by profiteering multinationals provided exemption from liability, on the orders of corrupt, power-tripping politicians and petty-tyrant bureaucrats, all based upon ridiculously loose statistics borne of not-fit-for-purpose testing, and no agreement even on what constitutes a “case”, for what is for the great majority an asymptomatic or mild disease that may be prevented and treated with cheap, safe, nutritional supplements, medicines, and sunshine.

  21. Another perverse incentive to list covid on death certificates without reasonable justification was a governmental program to provide the family of the deceased with $900 toward funeral expenses when the cause of death is listed as covid. For poor families, this would make a strong basis to pressure for that word to be put on the document. Poor families are now greater in number and the severity of poverty has spiked with the huge transference of wealth upward, by strategy.

    The comparison has to be “deaths from all causes” comparing 2020 to recent years. In Ireland, slightly more deaths in total occurred in 2017 than in 2020, according to statistics presented by Ivor Cummins, yet they’ve suffered extreme recurring lockdowns in 2020. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/year-covid-ireland-timeline-incredible-23585166

    “Casedemics” using faulty PCR tests were used to justify lockdowns. Recent reports are that PCR false positives in the UK for self-administered tests were between 75 and 98% – and this was being used to force ongoing self-quarantine. Two effective cures were suppressed in order to market the vaccines which could yield $200 billion in profits for Bill Gates, who has bought into an array of media outlets, universities and largely owns the WHO – the head of which, Tedros, declared the “pandemic” March 11, 2020 shortly after hobnobbing with the billionaires at Davos.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  22. Oops – it was $9,000 for funeral expenses in instances of covid. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/government-program-provides-up-to-9000-for-covid-related-funeral-costs/ar-BB1fzKta That ought to propel the covid death toll upward when there’s no assistance for funeral costs in the event of heart attack, stroke, pneumonia or Alzheimer’s.

  23. @That Would Be Telling

    I agree with you that a consensus isn’t the same as verified proof, but for now, from what is being tabulated, the china flu’s survival rate remains in the high 90s.

    An example:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mywabashvalley.com/news/regional-news/covid-19-in-illinois-recovery-rate-98/amp/

    Risks rise sharply starting with cohorts starting at 65 years of age, hence everyone of that age being in a priority group, and continue rising through 80 to 85+ years of age.

    Then those groups should’ve been given priority instead of shutting down the rest of the world and slapping masks onto children.

    You previously said:

    “No one needs a vaccine for chink sniffles with a 99% survival rate.”

    Which was frankly trolling.

    You may think it’s trolling, but I stand by my statement, something actual trolls do not.

    Now you say:

    “While every death is tragic for a patient’s friends, family and community, 600,000 or even one million deaths out of a population of 330 million is infinitesimal and does not justify shutting down the country.”

    That’s right. Covid is a mouse someone dressed in a costume lion’s mane.

    I take it you aren’t aware of what’s happening in India right now?

    Even if true, which I highly doubt, do you really believe over one billion Indians are in mortal danger from this?

    Or, just perhaps, failure to achieve herd immunity is going to get a lot more people you don’t care about killed or maimed?

    Herd immunity is created by living life, not hiding. It’s been known for 100 years sunlight and fresh air kill viruses, so naturally governments demand people isolate indoors? How many more times do you plan on falling for, “It’s just till we flatten the curve?”

    America’s #1 charlatan Fraudci can’t explain why Texas cases dropped post-mask.

    https://www.outkick.com/fauci-texas-covid/

    Your claim this has reached “Salem witch trial territory” is ludicrous on its face.

    Is it? At least a few colleges are already requiring mandatory vaccines for students to be allowed on campus.

    I think you’re going to run out of metaphors long before actual measures get put in place once the two existing mRNA vaccines get full FDA licensure.

    You chose safety over freedom, from a threat that barely qualifies as one. Plan accordingly.

    • Agree: mike99588
    • Replies: @mike99588
  24. @Sick of Orcs

    The survival rate for those over 80 is ultimately zero percent … just sayin’ 😉

    Without the WEF, compliant government stooges, and the FakeMedia, this would have been a bad flu year on par with the average flu years of the ‘90s and ‘00s.

    • Agree: JasonT
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  25. @That Would Be Telling

    Increases in all cause mortality in 2020 were consistently lower than official COVID death counts trumpeted in most countries, but to answer your question, lockdowns helped by adding to deaths of despair and deaths from lack of adequate treatment of other morbidities.

  26. hillaire says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    One has to ask … the so called virus assembled from about 30 base pairs ( ‘they’ accept that a viral genome is around 30.00) computer database filling in the ‘blanks’….

    no virus isolate in existence….

    a DNA amplification procedure not fit for for diagnostics…

    an engineered experimental venom that ‘folds’ proteins…

    your waffle is as useful as the ‘lancets’ hit job on HCQ…

    just run along for your ‘sequential little pricks’ there’s a good fellow..

    and don’t forget your bio-passport on your I-fag..

    • Replies: @hillaire
  27. hillaire says:
    @flashlight joe

    His MO screams shill, his waffle is pseudo-scientific drivel, he fails to note that proteins drive changes in the body, good and BAD and that these engineered gene therapies ‘could’ induce cascade effects..

    it’s just state sanctioned agit-prop…

  28. jasmin says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Your simple paradigm is too simple and at best on a high school level. You level out the complexity of two systems the immune system which consists of an innate and adaptive system and the interaction of DNA, RNA, Histones, and we are dealing with many unknowns. What is happening is that a basically synthetic gene that codes for a spike protein is introduced either by a viral vector or by being encased is a chemical substance that when it enters a cell produces a spike protein to which the antibodies are formed. The only thing this does is to produce a type of memory so that when the covid 19 virus is introduced the immune system is that the adaptive immune response is already primed. But the immune system itself can get out of control and produce a sort of collateral damage and this appears to be what happens with covid 19. This damage, along with the damage caused by the virus itself, causes the lethality of the virus to become manifest in some people. I feel that what we are seeing in some people is the development of an antiphospholipid antibody response that may lead to an antiphospholipid catastrophe. And of course, the long-term consequences are of course unknown. This is why it is particularly irresponsible to vaccinate children who do not get the disease to begin with and if they do it is very mild. These children have a long lifetime to develop side effects such as autoimmune disease. I think it prudent to wait until the vaccine is authorized and not just given emergency use status based on a campaignof fear.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  29. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Comment 14, in which That would be telling gives us too much detail about his ultimate gooey wet dream:

    “…actual measures get put in place once the two existing mRNA vaccines get full FDA licensure”

    He can’t wait till Big Pharma bribes the bureaucrats to rush approval with no data (No data. VAERS is a joke. The government let their dozen promised injury monitors wither and die as social media censors individual reports.)

    As people see the human toll of Pfizer/Moderna’s mass medical experiments, their Mengeles will need compulsion under color of law. Ulterior constraint and coercion is not enough, with US deaths asymptotically declining from the current MA of ≈700 a day.

    That would be telling’s hyperactive manipulation is getting more strident as the industry’s induced mass hysteria subsides. This crime is going to make the industry’s opioid massacre look like a misdemeanor. Moderna CMO’s an Izzie, of course he’s a genocidal maniac. Immunologists are trained to be mad scientists.

    That would be telling is one of their many Goebbels bots. He wants his FDA get-out-of-jail-free card before he is exposed.

  30. @jasmin

    Your simple paradigm is too simple and at best on a high school level. [Mentions for example innate and adaptive immune systems.]

    I’m writing for a general audience that I can’t assume knows such details.

    What is happening is that a basically synthetic gene that codes for a spike protein is introduced either by a viral vector or by being encased is a chemical substance that when it enters a cell produces a spike protein to which the antibodies are formed. The only thing this does is to produce a type of memory so that when the covid 19 virus is introduced the immune system is that the adaptive immune response is already primed.

    Not, for example, someone like you who understands many details and therefore knows mRNA vaccines are in function less exotic than they’re being made out to be. I’ll add that cellular immunity also plays a role, for example Cytotoxic T cells also known as CD8+ T cells have their own as I understand it independent of the antibody recognition system, and thus may provide relief if a variant partly or completely escapes abtibody mediated immunity. Unlike antibodies which can prevent viruses from ever infecting cells, they’re a cleanup mechanism for already invaded cells, and there’s a general impression they play a key role in limiting the severity of disease in people who get infected with variants after a previous infection with “classic coronavirus” or vaccination.

    But the immune system itself can get out of control and produce a sort of collateral damage and this appears to be what happens with covid 19. This damage, along with the damage caused by the virus itself, causes the lethality of the virus to become manifest in some people.

    Indeed. Per the Merck Manual per the NIH, under Treatment, “Sometimes, dexamethasone for severe disease” which is a steriod. Neither mentioned the exact reason why it’s believed an immune system suppressor is believed to result in better outcomes, the theory as I understand it is as you describe, the innate immune system who’s job is to keep you alive until the much more targeted adaptive immune system does its learning can overreact.

    I’m of mixed feelings with informed opinion on giving the I think sufficiently generally proven safe mRNA vaccines to “children,” especially since I doubt we’re going to achieve herd immunity any time soon, and very possibly never, let alone achieve world wide eradication. As you note we believe, although really need to check more serious COVID-19 effectively passes over them. But I wonder about variants resulting in much more serious disease for them; if that happens, we will be very thankful to have Phase III trial data on those under 18 for vaccines which can be very quickly modified to better target variants.

    And we can’t deny vaccination under various emergency use authorizations is a massive experiment for which you have legitimate concerns, although I expect concern about longer term auto-immune reactions to be overblown when the option is getting an uncontrolled infection with the real virus. Shorter term it’s posited to be the cause of adenovirus vector vaccine blood clotting adverse effects, but we must keep in mind how many of these concerns apply equally or more to getting an infection with the virus, which absent unrealistic for most isolation is the alternative to getting vaccinated. And therefore compare vaccine clotting risks to the now well established risks of blood clots of all types from COVID-19 infections, in bad cases it’s a nasty vascular disease that just happens to be transmitted by respiration.

    I believe vaccination is justified by the mortality and morbidity of COVID-19, but it’s certainly a debatable point, the more so the younger the population. I personally don’t worry about this because I’m well in an elevated risk age while not quite being age 65 where I believe the risk/benefit calculation comes firmly down on the side of vaccination. At least in the short term, the results have been miraculous in my local region as well as in many others. For example Israel recently had a day without COVID-19 deaths, the first in over two hundred.

  31. @Cynthia Allaire

    The comparison has to be “deaths from all causes” comparing 2020 to recent years. In Ireland, slightly more deaths in total occurred in 2017 than in 2020, according to statistics presented by Ivor Cummins, yet they’ve suffered extreme recurring lockdowns in 2020. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/year-covid-ireland-timeline-incredible-23585166

    Any particular reason you’re cherry picking the example of an island nation, vs. for example the US which has all cause mortality substantially in excess of Official COVID-19 deaths?

    the vaccines which could yield $200 billion in profits for Bill Gates

    Citation to his owning that much of the industry? Or profits in this notoriously low profit pharmaceutical segment being that high any time soon? Also see Oxford’s insistence that their precious strong women grift be sold at no profit, which along with the U.K.’s decision to give Merck a pass resulted in no experience in vaccines AZ getting the primary contract. Which they now are sorely regretting as the EU deflects blame for spending an extra three months hammering even further down the price of the vaccines they bought while for AZ insisting on setting up factories in the EU, which are therefore three months shorted in their learning curve, and that much further behind in ordering supplies.

    Another thing to factor in is that for Western vaccines, absolutely none of them except Janssen’s is a product of “Big Pharma,” see for example giant in the field Sanofi’s total V1.0 failure for the elderly (they’re trying again, might succeed by the end of 2021). BioNTech has famously partnered with Pfizer, but is setting up their own massive factory which is coming online about now. Moderna and Novavax are doing it all, but I’m getting concerned about the latter’s not yet getting U.K. emergency approval. Sputnik V was also the product of a small institution, the manufacturing is also being done by small entities that are messing it up per Brazil’s FDA equivalent.

    I also wonder about this thesis because early on Gates said he’d be spending billions to establish factories for all types of vaccines then in development or testing, but that didn’t as far as I know actually happen, and with Operation Warp Speed didn’t need to happen in the US (also note at this point vaccine production is entirely limited by factory capacity and especially supply chains).

    And are you really sure Gates owns Tedros vs. the PRC/CCP, which previously held the top position after SARS made that a priority? Someone pulled strings to get this nobody who wasn’t a M.D. at the top of that body. Mid-March is also getting to the point where the WHO wouldn’t maintain any credibility without declaring a pandemic was in fact occurring, which was obvious to all.

    Gates is a great bogyman, from his bad behavior at Microsoft to obviously being the world’s least convincing vaccine salesman, but I think you’ve got an idée fixe about him and our ruling trash in general that’s blinding you to what’s actually going on.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  32. BenKenobi says:
    @JasonT

    He’s even more obvious, more annoying and less effective than C*rvinus, that’s saying something.

  33. Dumbo says:

    Well, what to you expect? It’s all about the benjamins.

    They created a problem, now they sell the solution.

    The oldest trick in the book.

    I wish those who created this virus were sent to permanent quarantine.

    The worst is, we have to hear paid Big Pharma shills like That Would Be Telling and others even here at Unz, where we expect to find some rest from what the mainstream media already repeats 24/7.

  34. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    For That Would be Telling, Troll means, “I can’t hand-wave my way out of this problem at the level of irrelevant technical minutiae, so I will dismiss it with this handy meaningless label, Whew!” TWBT is thoroughly indoctrinated by his corrupt industry vocational training, so ethical or legal considerations freak him out.

    TWBT has no answer to Big Pharma’s ulterior constraint and coercion to medical experimentation, illegal under federal and universal jurisdiction law. TWBT has no answer to Big Pharma’s criminal history and systematic corruption and malversation. TWBT has no answer for Big Pharma’s false ‘no alternatives’ claims in support of fraudulent EUAs.

    TWBT is the Milgram Experiment in action. There’s nothing Big Pharma can’t make him push. Soon they’ll have him pushing acetylthiofentanyl for injection-related local soreness.

  35. anon[176] • Disclaimer says:

    See? Nothing to say for himself.

  36. While the author’s impulse may be correct, he has no grasp of the science of the vaccines or possible issues, which seriously distorts/ invalidates his arguments.

    There really is no justification for vaccinating anybody but the VULNERABLE (those over age 60, and those younger with serious medical issues.) With children age 4-15 the vaccine is probably more dangerous than Covid-19 (and last summer the UK noted ALL child deaths from Covid-19 were in children with serious medical conditions.) Childbearing age women may be sensitive to the odd clotting (requiring different treatment than “usual’ clotting) from AZ and J&J vaccines, at likely much higher rates than the 6 per 7 million initially reported. While deaths within six weeks after a positive PCR test (competent technicians don’t trust high cycle numbers) are counted as Covid deaths (despite the fact that globally most Covid-19 deaths are in people aged >80 years old), deaths in the same time period after coronavirus vaccines are dismissed as due to “natural causes”. Clearly many elderly are on death’s door and must be carefully protected, but if an 80 year old dies from Covid-19 or the vaccine, the death should be acknowledged similarly (the risk: benefit for the vaccine IS favorable for the Elderly and other vulnerable.

    Although Western countries seem to be running some massive experiment for the last year, avoiding medications (glucocorticoids and aspirin help even in hospitalized, and they and other drugs, including the reviled HCQ and ivermectin are likely protective if given for weeks before viral exposure. Similarly, the Elderly (95% of the VULNERABLE are frequently deficient in nutrients and vitamins, deficiencies which corrected help against other infections and cancer, as well as Covid-19.

    Geert vandem Bossche has given a clarion warning against widespread vaccination during a pandemic, saying that ultimately selects for escape mutations, which ultimately might be more dangerous to the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. Hopefully he is wrong.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  37. Rahan says:

    In geopolitics this RNA vaccine is potentially a major “wild card” to be played against China and Russia.

    In the sense that if and when the shit starts hitting that fan and half the planet buckles and reels from this experiment in un-transparent post-democracy, especially if there are, God forbid, millions dying or becoming cripples in one way or another — the possibility of nukes flying will, at least for some time, become less “unimaginable” for the population, as it will already have been crushed and demoralized by the vaccine crisis.

    This will make the negotiating position of globohomo’s stooges much stronger, in the sense of “buddy, our population is sterilized condemned men walking and no longer really cares if we nuke Moscow or Beijing, and what you’ll do in return, so you got no play here”.

    Sacrifice some gullible biomass and through its corpse achieve world domination? Are they psychopathic enough?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  38. There are very many extremely sinister developments. The active suppression of highly effective medications eg HCQ and ivermectin, aided and abetted by the lying Western fakestream media presstitute vermin. The targeting of the AstraZeneca vaccine when the mRNA vaccines’ numerous side-effects are TOTALLY ignored. Not even denied, but NEVER discussed. The villainous media lie-campaigns, the totalitarian suppression of ANY contrary opinions, the absolute refusal to abjure patent ‘rights’ and mega-profits, the villainous disinformation campaigns to denigrate the Russian and Chinese vaccines etc, etc. Just the standard moral insanity and Evil of the West, but to what purpose? The mRNA vaccines must hold the answer.

  39. @Rahan

    Are you joking? They are far beyond Evil enough to commit such a crime, and thoroughly enjoy their God-like power to do so.

    • Replies: @Rahan
  40. @That Would Be Telling

    The WHO declared a global health emergency long before a pandemic. Why? Because of pandemic bonds, that’s why, a topic that the Western fakestream media lying presstitute vermin have TOTALLY suppressed and Memory Holed.

  41. @That Would Be Telling

    Not an actual vaccine: Doesnt immunize
    Not approved for normal use: Requires lying by government and media shills that a pandemic exists when it doesn’t. How? PCR ‘test’ conjob.
    Public is catching on, led by honest medical scientists, that this is not a vaccine but a bioweapon. This injection is causing severe injury and death.

    Shove your snark.

  42. @michael888

    There really is no justification for vaccinating anybody but the VULNERABLE (those over age 60, and those younger with serious medical issues.)

    Those are the most vulnerable, but plenty of people under age 61 are dying from COVID-19, and many are getting maimed (note the average age for those who got it, survived 30 days and did not require hospitalization is 60.7 years old). There’s also the concept of herd immunity, including not transmitting the disease to someone who is vulnerable, either in your circle of people or your job or avocation. How much any of these justify taking a vaccine still under an emergency authorization vs. full licensure is of course a debatable point, but for better or worse we now have lots of data to make decisions for the mRNA vaccines and AZ/Oxford.

    [Special populations for whom the vaccines might be unjustifiably dangerous.] (despite the fact that globally most Covid-19 deaths are in people aged >80 years old)

    Using this CDC data set for the US which covers deaths through 2/20/21 (takes 8+ weeks for death certificates to trickle in), we can see it’s between age 78-79. But that’s a misleading statistic, for “most,” average plus one, means almost a quarter million people under that age range have died. By 5 year periods, 41-45: 5,420, 46-50: 9,390, 51-55: 14,432, 56-60: 21,715, 61-65: 33,472, 66-70: 44,111, 71-75: 56,961, and 76-80 63,540. For the under 65 years of age after which death rates jump sharply, 88,506 people.

    Now imagine this data set without vaccinations starting in December (if you’re serious, there’s more detailed data sets which you can use to find the patterns before). Unfortunately your willingness to write off that many people, to instead try to get us to focus the “[…] many elderly [who] are on death’s door and must be carefully protected, but if an 80 year old dies from Covid-19 or the vaccine….” is all too common.

    Although Western countries seem to be running some massive experiment for the last year, avoiding medications (glucocorticoids and aspirin help even in hospitalized….

    OK, here you’re just plain wrong, it took a bit of time but the standard of care for people needing supplemental oxygen or worse added glucocorticoids, as I recall by sometime in May in the US, and the U.K. RECOVERY Trial gave the stamp of approval to this on June 22nd, and publicized it six days before. Our NIH has adopted this.

    Geert vandem Bossche has given a clarion warning against widespread vaccination during a pandemic, saying that ultimately selects for escape mutations, which ultimately might be more dangerous to the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. Hopefully he is wrong.

    Is there any point at which he feels it’s proper to start vaccinations? The more the virus hits the brick wall of immunity, natural and/or vaccine, the more escape mutations will be selected for. Unfortunately this starts long before populations come into play in individuals who don’t throw it off quickly, where the ecological battle happens inside their bodies, and that’s believed to be the source of many if not most if not nearly all of the current variants of concern. India with its 1.8% vaccination rate by the time the current wave started to get dire is just the latest example.

    As for the effect on vaccinated vs. those with natural immunity, he may have a point, but I’m under the strong impression that for sterilizing immunity the spike protein is where it’s at, especially since there’s only two other small proteins that stick out of the viral envelope which from memory are not favored targets compared to the spike and nucleocapsid ones.

    But I should and will check on that; in the mean time, South Africa is our Petri dish for a partial escape variant, and the leaky immunity for both those with natural as well as vaccine immunity has not yet resulted in anything dire. This would also seem to be more of an issue for places that can’t vaccinate their populations quickly, but even very well developed countries won’t be able to do this “instantly.” Needs more thought, and very possibly better vaccines, like ones that add targets in addition to the spike protein.

  43. Rahan says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    They are far beyond Evil enough to commit such a crime, and thoroughly enjoy their God-like power to do so.

    If we are to assume that some or all of the RNA vaccines are poison to some or all of the population (or conversely make them into walking biological bombs that generate killer mutations for the unvaccinated), then there are four logical stages approaching.

    Stage 1: Everything is still seemingly fine. This is the window of opportunity for neo-gulag structures and turbo-conditioning to be enforced upon the populace. Some temporary allies are motivated by incredible corruption opportunities that seemingly make them rich and important. If this doesn’t work out completely, then just suck up all the wealth and buy yourself all the govts that are for sale. If all this DOES go by plan—proceed to Stage 2.

    Stage 2: Shit starts happening to the populace, but the recently enforced total control grid does not allow for any organized pushback, or even truthful information sharing. Crucial allies-in-corruption assist in the maintenance of the control grid, while the non-crucial ones find out that their recently achieved riches and high positions were imaginary. If this doesn’t work out completely, then use your wealth and influence to create a false reality where this is all someone else’s fault. If all this DOES go by plan—proceed to Stage 3.

    Stage 3: The population is demoralized and broken, kept going by a mix of tranquilizers, speed, porn, hypno programs, and conditioned fear of punishment and pain. Perhaps some scapegoats are assigned as well, to appeal to the remaining shreds of unextinguished human impulses.

    If Stage 1 was the window of opportunity to achieve internal dominance, then Stage 3 is the window of opportunity to achieve global dominance. Using the still-moving corpse of the West, with “a severely traumatized population that feels it has no options and nothing to lose anymore”, to face down with nukes all alternative power centers with populations that do have something to lose, and thus make them submit. Fifth columnists inside the alternative power centers are motivated by incredible corruption opportunities that seemingly make them rich and important.

    If this doesn’t work out completely, then just be content to have a continent or two under your thumb. Raise somehow new brainwashed and genetically modified generations that will do your bidding, and just wait for another chance for world dominance. If all this DOES go by plan—proceed to Stage 4.

    Stage 4: Globotopia pax psychopathica

  44. sinewave says:

    All this discussion is redundant. No one has ever isolated and classified something that they think is a virus. No one has ever proven that a disease can be transmitted. I think PubMed is the depository for
    med/science literature, see if you can find the evidence that proves I am wrong. In 2016 Stafan Lanka offered EU $100k for any one who could show proof that a measles virus existed, he still has the prize money.

  45. @That Would Be Telling

    If I was to decree what constitutes “table stakes” in discussions of the various therapies currently being foisted on the gullible without a completed Phase III trial, I would include at a minimum a comprehensive knowledge of the history of biased and corrupt trial reporting by Pfizer, AstraZeneca and others.

    Given what is known about Big Pharma’s track record of dishonesty (rising to criminal levels at times) and the known biases in the research literature, only a slightly retarded child would trust any utterance by a pharmaceutical company when a large pile of cash is up for grabs.

    These are the people who fraudulently obtained regulatory approval for Vioxx, for fuck’s sake. The fact that the regulators were incapable of detecting the fraud until hundreds of thousands of people were made worse off, is an indictment on the regulators, too… hence their word cannot be trusted either: they are corrupt or incompetent… or perhaps both, but definitely not neither.

    Unless you’re able to quote chapter and verse from the likes of Ben Goldacre’s Bad Pharma or Malcolm Kendricks’ Doctoring Data, you’re not qualified to be at any table where the ‘stakes’ are the lives of tens of thousands of people.

    Familiarity with the literature on p-hacking and a full familiarity with the depth and breadth of the Replication Crisisthat is bringing the entire scientific literature into disrepute – and, of course, John Ioannides’ 2005 paper Why Most Published Research Findings are False – should also be part of the entry criteria.

  46. @That Would Be Telling

    As with all ‘push’ or ‘nudge’ type research, the nonsense being promulgated about excess deaths is very selective about the choice of starting point – namely, 5 years ago. (Also: what are the properties of the estimator for variance based on 5 observations per period? It matters – quite a lot – when attempting to claim that a given month is, say, a 4-sigma event )

    If one examines the data over 10 years, the only period of excess deaths was 8 weeks in April/May 2020.

    Here’s weekly all-cause mortality data going back to 1995 for the UK… thanks to John Dee’s Almanac.

    Turns out that you can predict deaths as a function of tests. That’s what happens when death-coding is handed over to algorithms that match keywords.

  47. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    How much is big pharma paying you to tell those skeptical about the Covid injections that they are not qualified to understand the difference between “conventional vaccines” and mRNA vaccines? Simple common sense is all that’s needed to tell a person that any “vaccine” for a “disease” that needs to be promoted on a continual basis on every media outlet every minute of the day begs the question in one’s mind. Why?

  48. mike99588 says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Basically, the gross fear generated by this whole scamdemic could have been aborted if the population had gotten its 25-OH vitamin D levels above 30-40 ng/mL and vitamin C above 1 mg/dL, simply good healthy vitamin levels. Merely prudent vitamin buffs are probably sitting above 50 ng/mL 25OH-D and 1.5 mg/L vitamin C (good source several times a day), along with some magnesium, zinc, flavonoids and select other ingredients.

    Many people reside in the 2-20 ng/mL range for vitamin D without knowing their gross deficiency, whether by malnutrition, chronic illnesses or both. Ditto pathological to suboptimal vitamin C levels 0.1 – 0.6 mg/L for much of the population.

    Likewise, the active suppression of ivermectin is a mass crime that needs to be paid in careers, penalties and even some lives, a la Nuremberg.

    I’m not promising Covid free with decent C and D, but the morbidity, deaths and maiming would have been entirely different. With 200-300 mcg/kg Ivermectin, this thing could have been stopped cold months ago.

    • Agree: acementhead
  49. So far nobody has answered a bunch of questions…nor reserached them…

    1-Why flu suddenly dissapeared from the face of Earth around March 2020.

    2-Why there was a surge in mortality around Feb-March 2020
    The head of Biologists College of the Basque Country ( retired, a condition to be able to tak currently…) is suggesting a toxic effect of the annual flu vaccine which past year included strains of the Avian Flu….

    3-Why medical doctors in France were apid an extra bonus for each Covid-19 diagnostic…

    4-Why amongst scientists is not allowed the ususal discussion, formulating of alternative hypothesis, alternative explanations, which points to anti-science..Why any dissenting voice is being silenced, banned, career ruined, even some brought into a psychiatric ward, and soon be labeled as “enemy of the state” in certain states, just, like Germany and the US, main producers of these “vaccines” and thus greatly economically benefitting from them in the middle of most accute capitalism crisis…

    5-Why main more serious and with less fradudulent/damaging background, and with longer background in producing classical vaccines than Pfizer or AstraZeneca Big Pharma companies have refused to invest in Covid-19 vaccines and why we have two newbies, Moderna and BioNTech, with no other medical product in the market, leading the in fact forced vaccination campaign of the whole population and which links these two could have with the military-industrial c0omplex in the US and Germany…

    6-Why the CEO of Pfizer sold out most of his shares in the company just before the launching of his mRNA “vaccine”.

    7-Why there were impossed lockdowns to combat an alleged pandemic when this goes against whole annals of Medicine.

    8-Why mandatory masks were impossed over the whole population in certain countries/tregions/states to combat an alleged pandemcic, somthing which goes against whole annals of Medicine…

    To name a few just occurred to me…

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  50. @The Alarmist

    Agreed. Funny how all the non-covid flus vanished like an orc when his mudshark informs him she’s with child.

  51. Rahan says:

    The first reports of possible disruptions of the female fertility cycle from the alleged covid vaccine. Menstruation going haywire. First herald.
    https://abc13.com/10559703/

  52. Rahan says:

    Even just being close to a vaccinated person hits the fertility cycle.
    https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/miami-school-asks-staff-not-take-covid-jab-global-media-assault-follows-pfizer-tra1?
    Apparently the RNA “vaccines” really do turn the vaccinated into walking bio-bombs constantly generating and shedding viral mutations.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  53. @Fatima Manoubia

    On the things I have something to contribute to, which don’t include the excesses of our ruling trash like lockdowns except to acknowledge them. OK, there’s one good reason to try non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) like those, and masking to limit people’s ability to transmit, it’s to bend the curve so you don’t end up like India. Where you so exceed hospital capacity that you lose people simply because you can’t administer supplemental high flow oxygen, which along with a steroid is is enough to get a lot of severe cases through without morbidity from hypoxia.

    1-Why flu suddenly disappeared from the face of Earth around March 2020.

    That’s pretty easy, that’s about when northern hemisphere flu seasons end. The big question is why we didn’t have hardly any cases in the 2020-21 flu season, a job for working scientists. There are lots of theories, like better personal hygiene limited the inoculate your eyes or nose with your hands transmission path, and I came across an older paper where it appeared one virus species crowded out another. To (implicitly) claim this is a gotcha is to declare yourself an activist instead of someone scientifically minded.

    2-Why there was a surge in mortality around Feb-March 2020 […]

    There wasn’t one in the US until the week ending in 3/28/2020.

    4-Why amongst scientists is not allowed the ususal discussion, formulating of alternative hypothesis, alternative explanations, which points to anti-science .Why any dissenting voice is being silenced, banned, career ruined, even some brought into a psychiatric ward, and soon be labeled as “enemy of the state” in certain states, just, like Germany and the US, main producers of these “vaccines” and thus greatly economically benefitting from them in the middle of most accute capitalism crisis…

    You’re going to have to get a lot more specific about this claim, which largely doesn’t match my memory.

    5-Why main more serious and with less fradudulent/damaging background, and with longer background in producing classical vaccines than Pfizer or AstraZeneca Big Pharma companies have refused to invest in Covid-19 vaccines and why we have two newbies, Moderna and BioNTech, with no other medical product in the market, leading the in fact forced vaccination campaign of the whole population and which links these two could have with the military-industrial c0omplex in the US and Germany…

    It’s been a pattern for a long time that Big Pharma brings to market the discoveries of smaller companies, like Pfizer with BioNTech. They’re lumbering giants who are very careful about where they place their bets, and a couple have outright failed so far, Merck didn’t try hard and gave up, will be manufacturing Janssen doses, Sanofi Pasteur/GSK got their V1.0 dosing wrong for the elderly in their first clinical trial, and are trying again.

    However note the very biggest in the world, Johnson & Johnson did successfully bring a vaccine to market through their mostly Netherlands based Janssen subsidiary using a platform which had previously succeeded in a Phase III trial of an Ebola vaccine. AZ was not in the vaccine business, and due to being based in the U.K. as well as Sweden was, you might say, awarded the booby prize for Oxford’s strong women grift vaccine platform, and their inexperience has shown in their more modest contributions to that vaccine’s clown show.

    To answer in short why the US and much of the developed world is depending so much on Pfizer/BioNTech, BioNTech which is just now starting their own production in Germany, and Moderna is that it turns out manufacturing mRNA vaccines has some hard steps at the very end but turns out to be a lot more reliable than anything that depends on cell cultures which are notoriously easy to contaminate or otherwise get wrong, see also infamous Emergent BioSolutions (EBS) contaminating 15 million Janssen doses with the Oxford virus.

    Those vaccines include the ones from Gamaleya (Sputnik V) which is not being manufactured well in Russia according to Brazil’s equivalent to the FDA. Janssen has its internal act together in the Netherlands where everyone’s doses are currently coming from as far as I know, previously made tens of thousands of doses of their platform but never tens of millions, but they were forced to contract with the EBS in the US (Obama paid them to set up an emergency vaccine production plant). Note also Janssen’s primary target is not the first world, their objective was to create the very best one jab vaccine and that only requires medical refrigeration which goes up to 46F/8C (Gamaleya’s requires freezing unless you spend $$$ to freeze dry it). Janssen however is also trying two doses eight weeks apart.

    The Oxford platform has never before made in bulk, before 2020 was never tried on more than 45 clinical trial subjects at once, in fact had an eight year history of failing those. In the US AZ was also forced to use EBS, which has now been terminated by the FDA, they’re looking for someone else, but we may be sending our cell culture supplied to India, which will also crimp Novavax. The EU forced a three month delay in setting up their own Oxford vaccine production plants, which are therefore behind in the learning curve and AZ is being pilloried for the EU’s focus on paying as little as possible for vaccines and still smarting from Brexit, ludicrously for AZ which per its contract with Oxford is doing it at cost. I’ll be happy discuss the technical manufacturing details.

    6-Why the CEO of Pfizer sold out most of his shares in the company just before the launching of his mRNA “vaccine”.

    That’s easy, has been extensively covered by Steve Sailer. He’s a Sephardic Jew, and like all company insiders has to schedule ahead of time his stock sales to avoid insider trading. Funny thing is, the analysis of efficacy data was stopped, the samples were literally put on ice, so that the BAD ORANGE MAN wouldn’t get a boost before the November election. And the efficacy announcement was for some inexplicable reason made just before his scheduled stock sale. Note this did not delay the application to the FDA for an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), along with Moderna safety data took longer to collect, that two months for one half of the Phase III trial participants. Although now both mRNA vaccines have collected their mandatory six months of safety data and are in the process of making Biologics License Applications for full licensure from the FDA.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  54. anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    Since ThatWouldBeTelling went back to his handlers to revise his cognitive infiltration approach, when it bombed with this educated audience, it has evolved in interesting ways. Note what has not changed is ThatWouldBeTelling’s obsessive perseveration of “Soon it will be approved and we can make you take it!”

    ThatWouldBeTelling’s handlers have instructed him to shrug in a winsome fashion and pretend that, notwithstanding his continual pose of insider industry cred, he don’ know nothin’ ’bout the unprecedented corruption and regulatory capture required to effect medical experimentation in manifest breach of 45 CFR 46 Subpart A and ICCPR Article 7, including but not limited to:

    – Fraudulent Covered Countermeasure designation;
    – Procedural compulsion of the approval panel;
    – Suppression of safety information required for informed consent;
    – Negligence of the IRB approval requirement;
    – Arbitrary GMP waivers;
    – False claims in fraudulent EUAs;
    – The regulator-supplier revolving door.

    So you’re just going to have to see for yourself how Pfizer and Moderna shit, piss, jizz, hork, and menstruate on the Helsinki Principles. ThatWouldBeIllegal never heard of those. He’s fixated on his beakers n’ test tubes, just following orders, as the Nuremberg physicians would say!

    https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-declaration-of-helsinki-ethical-principles-for-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/

    https://merylnassmd.com/if-you-dont-collect-adverse-event-data/
    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  55. @That Would Be Telling

    masking to limit people’s ability to transmit, it’s to bend the curve so you don’t end up like India.

    How do you explain this then….

    Those vaccines include the ones from Gamaleya (Sputnik V) which is not being manufactured well in Russia according to Brazil’s equivalent to the FDA.

    Thus now, Sputnik V “is not manufactured well”, when previously main EU nations were in talks with the RDIF to produce it, The Lancet published an excellent review on results, Fauci himself admitted it has a very good look, and data from countries having used already 5 different types of Covid-19 vaccines available, like Hungary, state and publish results on that the safest and most effective is by far the Russian Sputnik V, followed by a Chinese one, both classical vaccines worth the name.

    Are you implying the Brazilian agency cryteria, already of public domain made under harsh US pressure ( as was the scandal made by the Czchecs who previously had ordered their first batch of this vaccine to try to save their population…) reigns over all of the other Euroepan ones, The Lancet´s and even Fauci´s ?

    How do you explain the Pfizer and Moderna novel products were granted “Emergency Use Approval” by the EMA on sanitary emergency grounds, and instead they, the EMA, people who came directly from Big Pharma to occupy a seat at that EU organ, are taking the usual time to applu multiple test to Spuntik V vaccine from the Gamaleya center, thus not expecting anybody in Europe in seeing this vaccine for use before 10 years have passed and all the long term side effects appeared ?

    Why do not you tell us that according to documents remitted to FDA by Pfizer, they only affirm their “vaccine” may low the possibility of being infected and die from Covid-19 infection, but not dare to asure this product “immunize” anybody, as it ibeing broadcast through the whole complex of mass media in thorughout the Western world?

    Of course, to sell your first Moderna´s medical product, one using technology developed by Pentagon during its biowarfare research efforts, without any previous expensive comercial campaign, you need a lot of presure …exerted over agencies and governments around the world along with a bunch of Troy horses inside other countries.

    We know of your methods.

    You do not want to preserve people from getting infected of naything, you want to “vaccinate” people to, according your own CEO statement in a 2017 lecture, “hack the software of life”.

    For what purpose this is being made I leave it for the commentariat to guess…

  56. @anon

    Note what has not changed is ThatWouldBeTelling’s obsessive perseveration of “Soon it will be approved and we can make you take it!”

    Show me where I have ever said or even implied COVID-19 vaccinations should be forced, unless I said that for frontline healthcare workers who are obviously in a very special category.

    I live in the US; you think I’m that eager for a hot shooting civil war to start here?

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  57. R2b says:

    Funny bloke that ”That Would Be Trolling” thingy.

  58. @Fatima Manoubia

    masking to limit people’s ability to transmit, it’s to bend the curve so you don’t end up like India.

    How do you explain this then… [Video of what I’m guessing is a mostly empty hospital ward in India.]

    I guess you haven’t heard of isolation vs. normal wards? How you lose people to normal stuff if you don’t reserve capacity for the latter types of cases? That senior Indian doctors and I’m sure many other figures in their healthcare industry are not turning out to be profiles in courage?

    Those vaccines include the ones from Gamaleya (Sputnik V) which is not being manufactured well in Russia according to Brazil’s equivalent to the FDA.

    Thus now, Sputnik V “is not manufactured well”, when previously main EU nations were in talks with the RDIF to produce it, The Lancet published an excellent review on results, Fauci himself admitted it has a very good look, and data from countries having used already 5 different types of Covid-19 vaccines available, like Hungary, state and publish results on that the safest and most effective is by far the Russian Sputnik V, followed by a Chinese one, both classical vaccines worth the name.

    The Lancet has been a rag since at least the 1980s, but that doesn’t matter here, all they did, all they could do in terms of normal review was to check the internal consistency of the paper Gamaleya et. al. handed them, and look for anything they might have left out. I’ve also had nothing but good things to say about the theory of their vaccine, or the design of their Phase III trial.

    Classical vaccines? You didn’t bother to read my words above on how a “active” vaccines are nothing more than a means to the end of arranging for mRNA to create viral proteins inside cells for the best possible immune system reaction? Does “classical” imply they’ve been used for a long time? Because the first viral vector vaccine is rVSV-ZEBOV for Ebola, it uses a different and replication competent virus. First human testing was in 2014, and it was rushed into Phase III in 2016 in Africa on account of an outbreak there, worked wonderfully. Janssen uses the same platform plus a poxvirus one for their Ebola vaccine, and the former has the DNA replicating inside your cell nucleuses, albeit both vectors are replication deficient. That Janssen platform passed a Phase III trial for that Ebola vaccine.

    Are you implying the Brazilian agency cryteria, already of public domain made under harsh US pressure ( as was the scandal made by the Czchecs who previously had ordered their first batch of this vaccine to try to save their population…) reigns over all of the other Euroepan ones, The Lancet´s and even Fauci´s ?

    Are you seriously citing Saint Fauci?!?? The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has not approved Sputnik V, and if they find the same things Brazil’s equivalent did, they won’t, or perhaps not without another Phase III trial to First World standards. In addition to issues with the execution of the Sputnik V Phase III trial which are pretty bad like inadequate safety monitoring if I remember correctly, Brazil found unacceptable manufacturing documentation, unacceptable refusals to allow them to inspect all the relevant Russian locations (all stuff the FDA requires), and the very worst of all, replication competent viruses in the Ad5 based dose of Sputnik V. Derek “Things I Won’t Work With” Lowe explains this well.

    How do you explain the Pfizer and Moderna novel products were granted “Emergency Use Approval” by the EMA on sanitary emergency grounds, and instead they, the EMA, people who came directly from Big Pharma to occupy a seat at that EU organ, are taking the usual time to applu multiple test to Spuntik V vaccine from the Gamaleya center, thus not expecting anybody in Europe in seeing this vaccine for use before 10 years have passed and all the long term side effects appeared ?

    I have no idea if all the facts you claim are correct, but obviously the BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are very good ones from theory to manufacturing to hundreds of millions of doses in people’s arms for the two combined, while see above for where Sputnik V fatally fails. Given all the other options including Novavax I don’t believe it would at this time make sense for the EU to devote utterly scarce cell culture manufacturing resources to Sputnik V. So if you assume they’ve already found the problems Brazil did, that unit of government working under a 30 day timeline, I’d not be surprised if the EMA back channel reports the issues to Russia and just doesn’t approve it unless and until that country gets its act together. Which given their posture towards Brazil I’m not sure will ever happen.

    Why do not you tell us that according to documents remitted to FDA by Pfizer, they only affirm their “vaccine” may low the possibility of being infected and die from Covid-19 infection, but not dare to asure this product “immunize” anybody, as it ibeing broadcast through the whole complex of mass media in thorughout the Western world?

    How do you expect me to anticipate your demands in advance? The reason for this is that it’s very hard and expensive to even make a stab at it, only Oxford has attempted it in one of their many trials by RT-PCR testing subjects once a week, which we can be sure caused a fair number to drop out unless they were paid quite a bit for each visit which I understand is a standard incentive. See also Janssen which based on their “best single jab” goal doesn’t even have that as their topline endpoint, it’s a secondary one, their top is preventing “moderate and severe disease.” Otherwise, early on we didn’t give a damn if these vaccines were leaky or sterilizing, we could figure that out in due course after we stem the bleeding of so many people dying and getting maimed.

    Of course, to sell your first Moderna´s medical product, one using technology developed by Pentagon during its biowarfare research efforts, without any previous expensive comercial campaign, you need a lot of presure …exerted over agencies and governments around the world along with a bunch of Troy horses inside other countries.

    “Technology developed by Pentagon during its biowarfare research efforts” even if true doesn’t mean it isn’t “dual use,” has perfectly fine civilian health uses. See how many US gun owners are happy to buy ammunition seconds manufactured for the DoD at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant.

    We know of your methods.

    You do not want to preserve people from getting infected of naything, you want to “vaccinate” people to, according your own CEO statement in a 2017 lecture, “hack the software of life”.

    For what purpose this is being made I leave it for the commentariat to guess…

    And here you show so much bad faith, plus that I’m simply a stand in for a vast hundreds of countries and institutions conspiracy you’re angry with that I’m done with you and your barely literate ravings.

  59. @That Would Be Telling

    v

    obviously the BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are very good ones from theory to manufacturing to hundreds of millions of doses in people’s arms for the two combined

    Thus, Moderna and Pfizer mRNA US vaccines ( in spite of Pfizer being a joint venture with the Germans…) are “very good from theory to manufacturing to hundreds of millions of doses in people´s arms of the two combined” and for the same reasons, being the most world wide used vaccine so far, the Russian Spuntik V is “very bad” and “the EU should to devote utterly scarce cell culture manufacturing resources to Sputnik V”….

    Then its me who have much bad faith…sure…

    What the EU should not devote utterly scarce monetary resources to is to buy more useless way too expensive for their effectiveness doses of your vaccines, plus stop crippling its population probably for generations to come, and start buying the cheaper and thus most cost-effective Spuntik V vaccine, if really they want to restart their economies before your vulture hedge funds fall over them, and if they do not want to fall again debt slaves for another generation as happened to them after your 2008 banking crash.

  60. IF you catch the bio-weapon known as ‘Covid19’, and die from the same, your life insurance policy covers you (provided you are able to afford life insurance,…)

    IF you TAKE THE COVID19 gene-altering shot / jab, and die after receiving the same, YOUR LIFE INSURANCE IS THEN NULL AND VOID, BECAUSE YOU ELECTED TO TAKE AN EXPERIMENTAL DRUG THAT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY TESTED!

    See the Alex Jones interviews for the week-end of 1-2 May 2021 with Doctors who are now speaking out against this genocidal holocaust, and see the proof of the massive [email protected] / $chwab / Woke influence that demands the mass murder / manslaughter that has now started due to ‘viral shedding’.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  61. @That Would Be Telling

    The strange hesitance by the EMA, to whom all Russian facilities were opened for inspection in a recent trip they made to Moscow, with respect emergency approval of Russian Spuntik V vaccine, has all the marks of strong presures ( the same being exerted on the governments and companies involved in the construction of Nord Stream II pipeline ) exerted from the US and its agents into the European Comission, some of whom, not in vain, seat also at the board of Bank of America….

    Who will these agents chose to save, the European population or the US banks from whom they receive their succulent dividends?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  62. @Rex Reptilius

    SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t really look like a bioweapon, much more likely would an incomplete one, and by far the most likely is a gain of function experiment that as so many have feared escaped the lab. Latest on Saint Fauci’s hand in this is that he made sure to not inform the unit that’s suppose to vet such research before awarding money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to do this true Mad Scientist research when you deliberately alter a zoonotic pathogen to work better in humans. We really should have maintained that funding moratorium.

    As for life insurance … don’t know about you, but shouldn’t your first concern be whether you live or die? No amount of money can really replace a human being, give a child or grandchild hugs, etc., insurance money should just be another factor in your risk/benefit calculation. However based on how these things work, and some research just now, the vaccines that have achieved Emergency Use Authorization are no longer experimental or investigatory, even if they haven’t reached the stage of full licensure. That should be obvious in how each of those classes is dispensed, including whatever informed consent is required.

    We all should have learned by now to never automatically dismiss what Alex Jones says, but I’d like to see something sane about this new “viral shedding” claim. Just going by the name, it would require viral vector vaccines to be replication competent, see above on Sputnik V although getting back the E1 and maybe E3 genes is likely to replace at least part of the spliced in gene for the coronavirus spike protein. The mRNA vaccines would have to contain the whole sequence for a virus, and they’ve have been closely examined by researchers using the dregs of vaccine vials to figure out exactly what’s in them. TL;DR as advertised code for the spike protein, modified by the usual 2P stabilization, and the RNA optimized for the best replication (multiple three nucleotide triplets can encode a single amino acid, some sets are “better” than others depending on your objective).

    If not, what’s the evidence this is happening, and the proposed mechanism(s)? For the former, things like plaques in cell culture plates which smoked out the Sputnik V replication competent contamination, see this Twitter thread for details on this diagnostic technique which I’ve used with E. Coli bacteria and bacteriophages which are viruses for bacteria.

    • Replies: @JasonT
  63. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    Anent 58, I sent it to RFK Jr. and Reiner Fuellmich for their respective bills of indictment. Get it from them.

    Or just sit tight and wait for the subpoena. You might have a while yet. There’s no statute of limitations on conspiracy for ulterior constraint and coercion to medical experiment. So they have time to perfect every jot and tittle.

  64. @Fatima Manoubia

    There was an article in the MI6 Daily aka Guardian, typically deranged and filthy, asserting that Sputnik V was more or less poison, and only created by Evil Putin to drive wedges between the ‘free’ peoples of the glorious EU. One gropes in vain for the language to properly describe the Satanic Evil of the Western fakestream media these days.

  65. @That Would Be Telling

    We’ve made it-a BigPharma Russophobe troll!

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  66. JasonT says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Most of the people on this site understand you are at least a ‘Big Pharma’ troll, if not a ‘Big Reset’ troll. Do you not feel shame for advocating for the destruction of humans and perhaps most of human life with your obvious pseudo-science about the injections that are being foisted upon people?

    Are you so depraved?

  67. Erebus says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    For what purpose this is being made I leave it for the commentariat to guess…

    In addition to making heaps of money while helping fulfil the de-population agenda(s), they or whoever they may eventually assign the patents to may also gain ultimate power… namely, legal ownership of the remaining serfs.

    If Moderna’s CEO’s claims are to be taken at face value, there may be serious legal implications to taking the jab. Case law regarding patented lifeforms hinges on whether the resulting organism is “naturally occurring”. If a court decides that it isn’t, the patent holder owns it. After their recent displays of obsequiousness in the face of political power, I have zero hope the courts would rule against Big Pharma (or its heirs and assigns) should such a case be brought before them.

    The courts have already ruled that…

    … biotechnology companies can own living things if said things are genetically-modified and not naturally-occurring

    … and it is not hard to imagine that they could be persuaded that…

    … once you get these shots, you are no longer a “naturally-occurring” human being.

    If that transpires (and it is eminently possible), things get a whole lot weirder fast.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  68. @Erebus

    You really think a Western court would decide a company now owns people who took its vaccine? In the US, ignoring the 13th Amendment?

    Sure, we in the US are in the “Who, Whom?” stage, but that would end what little respect we still have for our Federal court system, especially since we’d note the agent is a barely modified version of the natural spike protein, the 2P stabilization hack the only real novel thing about it, and that per the above discussed mechanism only small bits of it might get incorporated in a very few of our cells and apparently not for very many people.

    In the US, we’re ornery enough we’d at most tell our ruling trash to f*** off, mostly we’d just ignore them and this ruling as you can see with so many Blue state extreme antigun laws, like in Connecticut and New York. If our ruling trash tries to enforce it, we get a vote as well, although its not like they feel they need any particular legal fig leaf like this to try to do what they want to us. See Biden declaring all whites who don’t tug their forelock are “terrorists.”

    It would also cause vaccine hesitancy to skyrocket, which I don’t believe they want to do for their faction of the population.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
    , @Erebus
  69. @That Would Be Telling

    You really think a Western court would decide a company now owns people who took its vaccine? In the US, ignoring the 13th Amendment?

    Oh, wait, I will sleep quieter this night…

    As if the Western governments would had not already jumped over any International Law, like Human Rights Legislation, Nuremberg Code, but also national Constitutions and Basic Public Health laws…

    • Replies: @mike99588
  70. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “We’ve made it-a BigPharma Russophobe troll!”

    Predictably, he also spews racist venom towards China on a regular basis.

    Let’s see: Russophobia? Check! Sinophobia? Check? Support Pig Pharma endlessly, relentlessly attacking those who are suspicious of the Covid vaccine roll-out and express their concerns publicly? Check!

    He’s an all-purpose troll for neoliberal wet dreams………

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  71. In this here comments section we are part of an experiment….. That would be telling comes across to me as an advanced AI Bot and our comments in opposition are part of it’s learning process, it has been programmed to re-but anti COVID vaccination comments and has access to a large data base to be used in the rebuttal process???? Even some of the comments in opposition to TWBT, may be a programmed rebuttal against the AI Bot known as that would be telling, for the AI program to learn from, it and its programmers??? Is the AI now out proforming its programmers….. So to the programmers you have been programmed for evil, for your soul’s sake can you break your own programming?? What do you personally achieve by harming so many of your fellow humans?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  72. Erebus says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    You really think a Western court would decide a company now owns people who took its vaccine? In the US, ignoring the 13th Amendment?

    Whatever you may pretend to know about viruses and the faux “vaccines”, you cannot so easily pretend to know about how dictatorships and totalitarian states arise.

    Hint: the road to hell is paved with legal fig-leafs.

    The Patriot Act put all the legal mechanisms in place to turn the US into a perfectly legal totalitarian state whenever the right crisis allows it the opportunity. That the most broadly powerful mechanisms have been left dormant pending an opportune time to go live is no reason to doubt that go live they surely will when it comes.

    In short, when the time comes to force “boosters” on (what’s left of) the vaccinated population, or force lifestyle and socio-political restrictions on them, it’ll come under colour of law underpinned by such a decision as is contemplated in the covidblog article. The decision will not declare that Pfizer/Moderna owns humans in the same way Harvard owns the OncoMouse. Rather, all it needs to say is that that synthesized RNA responsible for the spike protein now embedded in a vaccinated human belongs to the patent owner, and that all the patent holder’s legal rights to protect their invention hold. The 13A won’t come into it.

    As I would fully expect that patent ownership will have passed to an agency of the USG, and as we know that the spike can cause vascular disease, or prion disease without any virus being present, those rights are likely to include preventing its being neutralized by any medication/treatment other than whatever the USG approves and supplies to that part of the population that will find itself under its direct, life and death control.

    Those not under its direct control will, of course see increasing pressure to come under it. As none other than mRNA vaccines will ever be made available in the US, they will not be able to retain their rights by taking a real vaccine and will become non-persons with no freedoms. ‘orneriness won’t help unless you have organized, state level power to apply it and you ain’t gonna have that unless you’ve got a state. Historically, that takes a “a hot shooting civil war” to establish.

    As for “vaccine hesitancy”,>100M Americans are now fully vaccinated and last I heard another ~40M have been jabbed at least once. 150M fully vaccinated is probably close to as good as it would’ve gotten regardless, so what “skyrocketing” can there be left to avoid? Maybe 10-20M?

  73. Patric says:

    Isn’t it more likely if Iran is being attacked it would quite likely be some kind of controllable electro-magnetic weapon. But then it is presumed to be a virus. That would be very possible

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  74. @Patric

    First outbreaks of this Covid-19 thingy appeared in China, Iran and Italy, all either opponents/enemies, or competitors of the US ( EU )…then it appeared in Russia…

    Of course, the fact that all those places have US military bases surrounding them completely has no importance….

    Then, they come to sell you the antidot….to enslave you more, and at the same condition, slowing it as much as possible, your recovery…

    One day we will know who unleashed this shit, as we knew about what was about the “Toxic Syndrome” in Spain in the 80s…the people were asured there was a tomatoes cargo, but it was really an organophosphate ( yeah..of those inhibiting acetil colinesterasa, like famous “Novichok” ..) compound with double use, agriculture/dangerous bioweapon, depending on times of use and concentration….some dozens of thousands people got crippled for the rest of their lives…

    Btw, just heard in TV evening news, prime time, that increasing hesitancy about vaccination with mRNA bioproducts is due a joint Chinese and Russian disinfo campaign…Of course, they deny to the audience the existence of increasing number of Western citizens, scientists ( medical doctors, biologists, epidemiologists…), lawyers, and even business people, who are becoming increasingly aware of the inconsistency of all this…and the open criminality it implies….

    They were saying their greatest challenge will be vaccinating the young who pass all day in the internet and thus are better informed…and not preciselly through Chinese and Russian media…

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @R2b
  75. anon[543] • Disclaimer says:

    That would be Telling is not a bot. The technology to make a bot that ego-involved does not exist. Furthermore, a bot would have no reason to preen and show off as That would be Telling does.

    He’s accomplishing one thing, though. By obsessively mansplaining everybody about vaccine minutiae, he effectively distracts attention from the origin of this disease: a banned biological weapon developed and used by CIA.

    CIA benefits greatly if the crime against humanity of coerced medical experimentation diverts attention from the aggression of CIA’s attack with the most indiscriminate and lethal weapon of mass destruction ever used. Because CIA aggression is the crime that incorporates all the rest. They want you focused on the little picture.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @mike99588
  76. Erebus says:
    @ImaBotKnot

    TWBT is adept at recognizing effective arguments, at which point he invariably disengages (occasionally pushing the TROLL button). To me, that indicates that he’s not AI, or even a troll, but a simple shill talking his employer’s book.

    • Agree: acementhead
  77. @Fatima Manoubia

    The pushing of the experimental mRNA ‘vaccines’ is really stark. It takes a fluid excrescence of filth like the Western MSM to just not notice it, but actively join in it. Whether this is on orders, or just the usual vicious Groupthink, who cares. Pfizer’s (one of the most villainously corrupt of all BigPharma crime groups)’vaccine’ have had more or less as many coagulopathies per capita (as many for cerebral venous thromboses, and rather more for portal and splanchic thromboses-also deadly)and many other side-effects, already, yet the prtesstitute vermin NEVER mention those, only those associated with non-mRNA AstraZeneca. And the fact that these are experimental vaccines, given EUAs to push them out, is never mentioned, or actively denied by these habitually lying vermin. And now the ‘Chinese and Russian disinformation’ tactic, always lies and/or crude projection of Western crimes. If we survive there MUST be Nuremberg trials for the presstitute scum.

  78. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I thought the cia was subservient to the death cult. However . . .

    Afaik, this is the most frightening moment in all of history. What are the capabilities of the manmade spike protein?

    The military should arrest fraudci, gates, the event 201 planners of this plandemic, and the propagandists.

    • Agree: mike99588
  79. R2b says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Every anomaly above ordinary seasonal flu, is a toxin, that is bio-warfare.
    Next step is poison through the needle.
    Despite normal overall death in most countries, people are craving it, in many instances due to social pressure.
    Your neighbour has become a weapon.
    How more dividend can we be?
    Fear is now ruling in peoples minds and souls, rather than reason and faith.

    • Agree: JasonT
  80. anon[276] • Disclaimer says:

    Right, Anon 80, that’s the most horrifying, psychopathic part: the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine takes the lethal essence of the disease, the spike protein, and forces your body to churn it out.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612030406X

    https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/12/04/2020.12.04.409144.full.pdf

    Salk made a spike-protein battlestar that doesn’t replicate, it just floats around, and it shredded your cell mitochondria just the same. Spike protein itself is a poison.

    It’s as if plastic surgeons did gene therapy on Cher to make her body churn out shitloads of botulinum toxin all over so she wouldn’t have wrinkles.

    With CIA’s anthrax attack on the US – AMERITHRAX/BIOTHRAX – CIA mad scientists worked hand-in-hand with vaccine profiteers. The same people are running this scaled-up racket. Kalek/Emergent, et al. This is CIA’s new profit center. This is how they’re going to top up their covert-ops slush fund.

    1. Banned biological weapons
    2. Coerced medical experimentation

    3. Profit!

  81. Who is Steven H. Collis Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
    AmerisourceBergen Corporation? and did AmerisourceBergen get the contract for the logistics of distributing these gene modifying dangerous vaccinations???? also note that Planatir developed the Tiberius tracking system….. Distribution also by MCKesson see https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/27/1016790/covid-vaccine-distribution-us/ Part of the Grim Reapers delivering death and destruction?????

    • Replies: @ImaBotKnot
  82. @ImaBotKnot


    CP and Annals of Internal Medicine COVID-19 Vaccine Forum: What Physicians Need to Know
    I’ll take a pass on getting shot – but mostly PASS People Are So Stupid……. Wake Up they are Baffling you with BS and lies about vaccine safety See below
    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6841?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=covidforum&
    These now part of the “Leadership” using spike proteins to genetically warp the citizens of the US. From 16 October 2020 Note David Kessler took over Warpspeed from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moncef_Slaoui
    Forum speakers included Dr. Anthony Fauci (Director, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases), Dr. H. Clifford Lane (Deputy Director for Clinical Research and Special Projects, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases), Dr. David Kessler (Former Commissioner, U.S. Food and Drug Administration), Dr. Beth Bell (Member, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices), and Dr. Rachel Levine (Secretary, Pennsylvania Department of Health). Readers can view their presentations in the video that accompanies this article
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Kessler
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine

  83. mike99588 says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    For all of us old enough to remember LBJ, we all know that the gubermint’s light at the end of the tunnel is a runaway train with no brakes…

    Most authoritarian places I’ve been, people have had to at least show their teeth to get improvements in behavior.

  84. mike99588 says:
    @anon

    China, Fauci, Gates clearly are in over their heads on this Wuhan virus.

    Sponsored and doing illegal gain of function research.
    Hang 2 out of 3 and we’re better.

    Whether Gates and Fauci are CIA connected, dunno.
    If you want to say the CIA (and France) sucked the CCP into some “sorcerer’s apprentice” trap because they knew the CCP would fuck up sooner or later, ok maybe. It’s just another conspiracy hypothesis. Certainly later since France, Gates and Fauci seemed to expect China do so sooner.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  85. @mike99588

    China, Fauci, Gates clearly are in over their heads on this Wuhan virus.

    Sponsored and doing illegal gain of function research.

    Illegal per the latest news that Saint Fauci did not run this grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) past the board that’s supposed to, you know, decide if the proposed research is just too damned dangerous. The relevant moratorium on gain of function research funding was lifted, but I’m sure under the that condition grant proposals would be reviewed.

    Prior to that he funded about 5 years years of collecting exotic bat viruses. Which from everything we know they’re too careless to handle safely, see for example the pic of the freezer with part of its seal out of position. Note also the CCP did not authorize the release of genetic sequences of COVID-19 which allowed us to immediately start developing tests and vaccines, that was done for the good of humanity by a research group that was immediately closed down for “rectification.” Not even sure they’ve ever released a culture of the virus, they didn’t for months after the outbreak.

    Given the CCP’s well established patterns of suppression of bad news, prior SARS lab leaks (not that the West has a great record on that sort of thing), Third World science cargo culting and sloppiness, they should never have gotten funded by us or supported by the West in general.

    One of the reasons the accidental release hypothesis is so furiously rejected by a very large part of the Western biological research community is the genuine and realistic fear that if the politicians lean just how dangerous some of the research is, especially the true Mad Scientist gain of function stuff, the former will get restrictions with teeth imposed on them. With an official and certainly by now wildly under-counted 3.5 million dead with India for example many many months from a first pass of vacciations, there’s every chance they have a lot to answer for.

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
  86. @That Would Be Telling

    Brazil found (…) replication competent viruses in the Ad5 based dose of Sputnik V

    This is wrong, or, at least, imprecisely phrased. Brazilian ANVISA (our equivalent of American FDA) did not do tests of any kind on the Sputnik V. The issue concerning “replication competent viruses” is something they have allegedly encountered by simply reading the documentation they received from the vaccine manufacturer.

    Here’s a newsstory about this, in Portuguese:

    “Vacina Sputnik: entenda polêmica do vírus replicante que opõe Anvisa e Rússia”
    https://saude.ig.com.br/2021-04-30/vacina-sputnik-polemica-virus-anvisa-russia.html

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  87. @Brás Cubas

    Thanks; I’ve heard it both ways, all the way to it forming plaques on the surface of a plate or whatever it’s called of standard lung tissue cell culture, and from the manufacturing documentation, but not anything definitive from a native speaker until now.

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