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Sheikh Imran Hosein is not just the world’s leading Islamic eschatologist; he may well be the most important Islamic scholar working in English today. (If you disagree, please direct me to whoever is doing more important work!)

In this interview, recorded in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia after Jumuah prayers on June 21, 2019 (Shawwal 18, 1440) Sheikh Imran explains how we know we are living in the End Times (akhir uz-zaman). He discusses the nature and timeline of the Antichrist (Dajjal) and his relation with Zionism; explains which Jews and Christians today are following God and which are following the Antichrist, and why Muslims should protect and defend the former; argues that there are also God-fearing Hindus, Buddhists, and others who deserve similar protection and friendship; laments the mixed reception he has received from his fellow Islamic scholars; discusses the coming nuclear World War III (malhama) that is expected to kill the vast majority of the Earth’s population; offers advice on how to protect oneself spiritually during these difficult times; briefly summarizes his new book The Qur’an Dajjal and the Jasad as well as his future projects; and finishes by vowing to never stop speaking the truth about the “worse than big lie” of 9/11.

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Sean says:

    If he was from some rural Texas Church of Born Again Armageddonites, you’d ignore him.

  2. PPB says:

    The End Times? Well, the evidence that we’re now far into a global cycle of cultural and civilizational decay is pretty hard to refute, but what is it precisely that is ending? Is it a single civilizational cycle or paradigm within a larger set of cycles, or is it the big one to end them all? Is regeneration possible, even with a dramatically reduced population to initiate the next upswing? Has anyone ever predicted the future with any comprehensive degree of accuracy? What constraints limit God’s activity, if the fate of the world is indeed in God’s hands?

    OK, I suppose I’ve asked more questions than I’m capable of answering. But then, whatever knowledge I imagine I might possess regarding these matters resembles a scattered archipelago of islands floating in an ocean of what the hell do I really know?

    I do admire the the catholicity (in its original meaning) of the Shiek’s purview, and truly appreciate hearing Islam expressed from the foundation and center of its inherent nobility,– we could certainly benefit from more public exposure of this sort, as spoken from the heart of various outwardly competing perspectives, including secular ones. Not the least because it would provide a needed antidote to the cacophany of belligerent partisanships and sectarianisms that surrounds us.

    Interestingly, what remains implicit from the Sheik’s commentary is that self-designated followers of all religions, including Islam, and the agendas that they pursue, can be aligned either with Truth or untruth, with the Divine or the demonic, or torn by a divided allegiance. Which in turn would suggest that Truth/Reality exists prior to, and independent of, any particular attempt or structure to formulate or convey it, not that such devices can’t successfully point beyond themselves to the greater reality that they reflect in whatever measure, and effectively catalyze our own understanding and promote the cultivation of our own best qualities.

    • Replies: @Gyre07
  3. The Islamic Armageddon is due in 2076. Too bad for them, because the Christian Armageddon comes first, in 2060.

  4. Zedrick says:

    Imam Mohamad Tawidi
    @Imamofpeace

    • LOL: Talha
  5. Druid says:
    @Sean

    I’ve listened to him briefly (or tried to) on YouTube. Some strange stuff

  6. And the second hominid that learned to speak said to the first over a meal of raw hyrax, “You know, Oog, it’s all downhill from here. We’re getting in on the end of a good thing.”

  7. Interesting that our resident operatives Sean and James should both allude to “Armageddon,” an eschatological concept associated strictly with Pauline Christianity — one that is a demonstrable corruption of the name “Har Meggido,” where the Battle of Yarmuk has already been won in favor of the Muslims. Then again, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

    Shaikh Imran’s perspective is certainly unique in many respects, though he doesn’t specifically mention Americans as the fulfillment of prophecy concerning “the strangers” (ghuraba) to whom The Prophet alluded, saying

    Good people among many bad people. Those who will disobey them are more than those who will obey them.

    They are those who follow my ways when my ummah is corrupt.

    They are of those who will have moved away from their clans.

    God will bring them together to join Jesus, the son of Mary.

    Ghuraba also translates as “westerners,” and there is no nation on earth that has fulfilled the signs of this prophecy as America has. Even Jefferson himself betrayed the influence of Islamic federalism, and America remains better positioned to witness an alliance among those faithful toward the message of Jesus than does any other polity.

    The return of Constantinople would be a milestone, though what’s happening here and now demands greater attention.

    was-salaam.

  8. @Sean

    If he was from some rural Texas Church of Born Again Armageddonites, you’d ignore him.

    A significant difference being that the common Christian belief is that the trials of the last days are something to be endured while the common Muslim belief is that the last days are a time in which they are to do battle.

    Good source of info:

    http://www.bu.edu/mille/scholarship.html

    • Replies: @another fred
    , @Talha
  9. @another fred

    With regard to the above linked scholarship, a good, short, starting place for a westerner to learn about Muslim eschatology is this one short article.

    http://www.bu.edu/mille/scholarship/papers/cookabs.html

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  10. Pandour says: • Website

    A good historian can predict the future.It should be clear to all but the illiterate that the Big Aloha will arrive ,AT THE MOST,within the next two decades.Aside from the irreversible ecological damage inflicted upon the planet thus far,there will be an armed conflict which will clearly be the equivalent of WW III,and it will start in the Mideast.

    • Replies: @NYMOM
  11. @another fred

    A mish-mash of hasbara devoid of any supporting citation. Decidedly not “a good, short starting place for a westerner to learn about Muslim eschatology.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  12. Talha says:
    @another fred

    the trials of the last days are something to be endured while the common Muslim belief is that the last days are a time in which they are to do battle.

    It’s both actually. There are some hadith that talk about retreating into the wilderness to save one’s faith, some that specifically talk about NOT fighting – for instance:
    “Verily, right before the Hour there will be a tribulation like pieces of the dark night in which a man may be a believer in the morning and an unbeliever by evening, or he may be a believer in the evening and an unbeliever by morning. He who sits down during it will be better than he who rises up, and he who walks during it will be better than he who runs. So break your bows, cut your bowstrings, and strike your swords against the rock. If someone comes to kill you, then be like the better of the two sons of Adam.” – reported in Abu Dawud

    And there are some hadith definitely about fighting and it being a highly rewarded act. So it depends on the context of the events and what stage is occurring.

    There is only honor in fighting or resisting Dajjal – victory or death. In that fight, it is only the cowards that need fear Divine opprobrium.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  13. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    I actually liked that article. It is by Prof. David Cook, who I have cited in the past. He actually makes a very good distinction between traditional and orthodox Islam as it has been practiced as a reality and modern-day divergences or aberrations. In fact, in that article he made specific points that he is talking about modern-Muslim discourse that seems to have shoe-horned certain ideas to fit the narrative:
    “Israel receives the strongest attacks in modem Muslim apocalyptic- it is rare to find a book or tract in which the Jewish state does not figure prominently. This is in contradistinction to classical Muslim apocalyptic, in which Jews are mentioned rarely.”

    He makes an interesting point. It may be that the end times refer to Israel, but they may not. I mean, what if Israel fades away due to demographic trends and the prophecies are actually talking about another manifestation five centuries down the road? Every generation suffers somewhat from a certain myopia in thinking their era is unique and special.

    Wa salaam.

  14. Malla says:

    Sheikh Imran Hosein on the French and Russian Revolutions. Very Interesting and very true.

    BTW ‘riba’ means ‘usury’, lending money on interest.

  15. Too many tripwires in this piece. I won’t mention them all, but here are a couple:

    1. The term “infidel.” Like “Armageddon” upon the term malhama, it’s an ethnocentric imposition upon the term kafir, which translates more accurately as “denier.” The distinction between the two is not insignificant, being that denial necessitates foreknowledge, whereas infidelity connotes lack of faith.

    2. The author conspicuously circumscribes his “brief survey” of apocalyptic beliefs among modern Muslims to expressly anti-zionist or anti-western perspectives. (This incorporates both the U.S. and its satraps in the millennial Muslim world.) Has he not heard of Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, the Risale-i Nur and its role in reviving Islam by pacific means in Turkey and neighboring Turkic polities? Is he not aware of the worldview held by Hassan al Banna, who advanced a vision of grassroots activism to affect positive change among millennial Muslims? The movements they helped to found remain more influential among Muslims to this day than any of the anti-zionist perspectives to which he refers, yet they merit no mention. Why the selective focus?

    The answer is likely an obvious one.

    That being said, I’m fully aware of Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, or the belief that one (or those of his communion) is/are uniquely and divinely anointed and appointed to save the world, or a remnant, or to usher in a new world or a new message for the faithful, while this world falls away into the Fire. It’s an all-time favorite tool of deception today, a main event in media circuses and, more often than not, fatal.

    • Replies: @Talha
  16. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    imposition upon the term kafir

    Agree – infidel has a much better translation in mulHid.

    Why the selective focus?

    I think perhaps since he specifically deals with radical/extremist groups and concentrating on the ideas of the end times – which neither Hassan al-Banna (ra) nor Said Nursi (ra) were concentrating on with a laser-like focus as some of these groups do.

    I’m fully aware of Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, or the belief that one (or those of his communion) is/are uniquely and divinely anointed and appointed to save the world

    Huge problem – it is cousins with nihilism to a degree.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  17. @Talha

    /he specifically deals with radical/extremist groups/

    And where, precisely, does he define these views as “radical/extremist”? Such characterization is hardly evident in his primer. Rather, he categorizes views which he clearly places under the rubric of “Modern Muslim Apocalyptic,” representing what he perceives as modern Islamic views of the end times.

    Anti-zionist and anti-western eschatological perspectives among us are typically but one facet of a broader worldview (embodied by the leadership of numerous congregations). Very few Muslims focus exclusively upon this subject, and when they do so in order to advance M.A.D., the author should take pains to describe the phenomenon for constituting the extremism it so patently does.

    That he fails to do so merely invites suspicion upon his piece.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  18. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Ok – solid criticism there, bro. I agree, he should be clearer. I guess the reason I made the connection is because I am familiar with his work and I know that is his area of research; radicalization and extremist trends of modern Muslims.

    Please listen to this for about 5 min starting at the 38:30 mark and I’d like to get your take on it. I think he uses the word “Salafi” a bit too loosely, but overall I thought his approach was pretty fair and nuanced:

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  19. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Also, I got caught up in a debate with two atheists and some really heretical Christian recently. The Christian guy was going off on the Quran and calling it full of lies, violence, etc. In response to something, I posted a very beautiful recitation of Surab Mursalat and his response was – kid you not:
    “Zero sarcasm, no irony, and 100% honesty

    I actually enjoy listening to recitation

    And reading the Quran”

    Ajeeb, eh?

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Anon
  20. Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Samarians and Sabians are indeed given protection by the Islamic state, provided that they ‘conform to the rules of Islam’, as Reliance of the Traveller words it. But no protection is given to followers of other religions, however ‘God-fearing’.

    To hear authentic Islam, rather than the Sheikh Imran easy-listening version, you have to resort to subterfuge. The TV documentary, Undercover Mosque, did just that, recording secretly in British mosques and cultural centres. Wikipedia has some choice quotes, but not my particular favourite, which was reported in an Observer article, ‘Revealed: preachers’ messages of hate’: ‘Kafir is the worst word that can ever be written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt.’

    • Replies: @Talha
  21. Gyre07 says:
    @PPB

    Very well said. But it needs to be stated (as a reminder) that any large scale nuclear exchange may well contaminate the atmosphere with enough radioactivity that Earth will be uninhabitable for most life forms for tens of thousands of years.

  22. Talha says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Reliance of the Traveller words it. But no protection is given to followers of other religions, however ‘God-fearing’.

    This is the most correct opinion according to the Shafi’i school – it is contradiction to the correct rulings in the Hanafi and Maliki schools which state that any followers of any religions (or even atheists) are suitable for the dhimmah pact.

    The Maliki and Hanafi schools have historically been applied by far more Muslim polities than the Shafi’i position.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rottenborough
  23. @Talha

    Talha—any followers of any religions (or even atheists) are suitable for the dhimmah pact

    That’s the theory. In the real world, however, the persecution of Christians in Pakistan, for example, is assessed by Open Doors as ‘extreme’.

    • Replies: @Talha
  24. Talha says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    That’s the theory.

    Well that’s what we are discussing – that is what happens when you bring up written doctrine in a work like The Reliance of the Traveler.

    In the real world, however, the persecution of Christians in Pakistan, for example, is assessed by Open Doors as ‘extreme’.

    Agreed – that seems to be the case in Pakistan. Pakistan is also not the entire Muslim world and it is well known that we have an extremist (dovetailing with vigilantism) problem going on right now in various Muslim countries. The dhimmah agreement is supposed to protect them from such things.

    Peace.

  25. @Talha

    Shukran for that, akhi. Much appreciated.

    A few comments:

    1. I agree with his use of the term “Salafi,” though in truth, it’s more accurate to say “neo-Salafi.” Those who ascribe “purity” to themselves are admonished for so doing by Allah, and Cook is correct to highlight the absurdity of some of their more extreme positions. (FWIW, an argument can be made that Augustine was not Christian, though we really don’t need to go there now.)

    2. While I don’t care for casually replacing the terms “extremism” and “radicalism,” his comment to the effect that the best method of inoculating a Muslim against extremism is to immerse him in Islamic studies is very insightful.

    I’m going to listen to the whole thing when I’ve got more time.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  26. @Talha

    Alhamdulillah, akhi.

    Beware of log-eyed trolls from rotten boroughs.

  27. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    absurdity of some of their more extreme positions.

    Yeah, doing takfir of Imam Nawawi (ra) is really, really off the charts.

    the best method of inoculating a Muslim against extremism is to immerse him in Islamic studies is very insightful.

    This is basically the same conclusion British intelligence came to:
    “Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

    Also Westpoint:
    “Both findings indicate that the majority of the foreign fighters had limited familiarity with the tenets of the Islamic faith. This is consistent with the findings from the CTC’s earlier report, which showed that very small numbers of foreign fighters reported having any religious education and that approximately 70% of fighters reported having a basic knowledge of Shari`a law…. Moreover, our findings also correspond with primary sources indicating that jihadi groups in general prefer to recruit individuals who have limited religious education since they are less capable of critically scrutinizing the jihadi narrative and ideology, in addition to being less familiar with contrasting Islamic schools of thought.”
    https://www.ctc.usma.edu/v2/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Cradle-to-Grave2.pdf

    Wa salaam.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  28. @Talha

    Nice links, ma sha Allah.

    Keep ’em comin’, bi idhnillah!

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  29. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    One more for now, from another expert on extremist movements in the Muslim world, Olivier Roy. He did a study of 100 extremists from Belgium and France and found some common traits:
    They did not live in a particularly religious environment. Their relationship to the local mosque was ambivalent: either they attended episodically, or they were expelled for having shown disrespect for the local imam….To summarise: the typical radical is a young, second-generation immigrant or convert, very often involved in episodes of petty crime, with practically no religious education, but having a rapid and recent trajectory of conversion/reconversion, more often in the framework of a group of friends or over the internet than in the context of a mosque. The embrace of religion is rarely kept secret, but rather is exhibited, but it does not necessarily correspond to immersion in religious practice…No matter what database is taken as a reference, the paucity of religious knowledge among jihadis is glaring.
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/apr/13/who-are-the-new-jihadis

    Honestly one of the best articles I have read on the subject. And very important to me as a father of 3 boys who wants to ensure they do not get influenced by extremists and get caught up in nonsense.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @Anon
  30. Brother Kevin,

    As-salaamu ‘alaikum!

    Show recordings are all spliced up, repeating segments frequently.

    Is there an editing issue?

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  31. @Sean

    I haven’t yet heard of any intelligent, knowledgeable, spiritually insightful Texas Armageddonites. But if any exist, I will check them out.

  32. @AnonStarter

    Can you point to a particular recording and a particular minute mark where this problem occurs?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  33. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Oh, stop your nattering and noise making. You’re such a low IQ brown monkey that you neither understand your religious source nor the programming in spite of it being a crude mirror of the religion of the Jews.

    For Europeans to accept their Semitic Harvest subcult of Christianity, the Jews had to make something that was the opposite of the Judaism that openly stated that it wished to destroy the European tribes. Otherwise, Europeans would have rejected it as a clear ruse. And they wisely tried to reject it regardless, but were eventually forced to accept Christianity at the threat of wholesale slaughter.

    For you monkeys, they merely carbon copied Judaism in extremely low resolution and just amped up the sex and brutality/ violence. You animals accepted it readily. Result = instant Jewish Golem with a zealotry that is unmatched outside of the hormonal brown people. You proceeded to destroy the Near East and Visigoth Spain within a very short time of Islam being introduced. The zealotry was strong, very early. Because your minds are soft and innately crude and violent.

    Congratulations on being a Jewish tool whose role, per the Jewish texts, is to help destroy the world for the benefit of the Jews. Just before you are all genocided in total. Again, per the Jewish texts.

    • Replies: @Talha
  34. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Honestly one of the best articles I have read on the subject. And very important to me as a father of 3 boys who wants to ensure they do not get influenced by extremists and get caught up in nonsense.

    Protect against extremism?!? What a laugh. The basic Islamist, and greater Semitic, worldview is extremist. That you don’t see that is instructive as to just how indoctrinated you are.

    Any apocalyptic religion is extremist by its nature. It ever pushes toward worldwide turmoil and destruction toward the realization of an imagined, idiosyncratic utopia. It is a concept that is a relic from psychopaths from antiquity with too much time on their hands.

    The alternative which would be continuing worldwide technological and social progress. Real progress, not the utterly destructive “progress” that attempts to destroy our social and moral standards as a tool of the apocalyptic religions that endorse and promote it.

    The only true attempt to counter the apocalyptic religions and their destructive “progress” that your group uses to invade our nations was Nazi Germany.

    Your group, its fake morality and fake spirituality, as well as those of the other apocalyptic Semitic cults are an anathema to humanity and its healthy existence.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Polemos
  35. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The only true attempt to counter the apocalyptic religions and their destructive “progress” that your group uses to invade our nations was Nazi Germany.

    Cool.

    “The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France”

    “Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers […] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.”

    -Adolf Hitler

  36. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Europeans would have rejected it as a clear ruse.

    I see, so you guys only fall for regular ruses.

    but were eventually forced to accept Christianity at the threat of wholesale slaughter.

    By other Europeans – so much for that High IQ.

    Just before you are all genocided in total.

    By who, the Jews? LOOOOL!!!

    Again, per the Jewish texts.

    If you aren’t Jewish, why do you believe in the predictive powers of Jewish texts? That would make them true, which means Judaism is true.

    The alternative which would be continuing worldwide technological and social progress.

    I understand your pain; Muslims will likely never contribute to the automation of machines to replace much of the human workforce, we will likely not

    our social and moral standards as a tool of the apocalyptic religions that endorse and promote it.

    I don’t understand this. Islam certainly didn’t force you to have Gay Pride parades in your cities – we stop that nonsense in our lands, why don’t you do it in yours? What were these amazing social and moral European standards before (the subversive Semitic) Christianity? These ones?

    Or these ones?

    Or these ones:
    “Close to one hundred stone phalluses have been found in Norway. They are symbolic representations of the penis, representing male potency and fertility. Animal and human sacrifices made to a symbolic phallus were thought to ensure a successful new crop among people, animals and nature.”
    http://sciencenordic.com/stone-phalluses-and-ancient-fertility-cults

    Nazi Germany.

    You mean the guys that actively sought to recruit Muslims as soldiers?
    “From 1941 onwards, the Nazi Wehrmacht army and the paramilitary SS recruited tens of thousands of Muslims, mainly to save German blood. Muslim soldiers fought on all fronts. German army officials granted these recruits a wide range of religious concessions, even lifting the ban on ritual slaughter, a practice that had been prohibited for anti-Semitic reasons by Hitler’s Law for the Protection of Animals of 1933…Nazi policies towards Islam were informed by pragmatism. Some leading Nazis, particularly Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler, repeatedly expressed their respect for Islam. Whenever denouncing the Catholic Church, Hitler routinely contrasted it with Islam. While he denounced Catholicism as a weak, effeminate religion, he praised Islam as a strong, aggressive, martial religion.”
    https://www.dw.com/en/how-nazis-courted-the-islamic-world-during-wwii/a-41358387

    Your group, its fake morality and fake spirituality, as well as those of the other apocalyptic Semitic cults are an anathema to humanity and its healthy existence.

    If you want to get rid of us, you know where to find us. Just, please do us a favor and be a man about it and not like those pissy neocons – have the balls to grab a rifle and come yourself and don’t send someone else or their son in your place – that is simply not respectable.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  37. @Kevin Barrett

    I’d have to listen to it again. Currently, I don’t have that much time. If and when I do, I’ll let you know, insha’Allah.

    was-salaam.

  38. @Talha

    /our social and moral standards/

    That is double-take terrain.

    For someone who detests Jews as much as he does, he certainly sounds like he’s angling for his own standup special on cable TV: “Live from Mount Doom, it’s Andrew Dice Anon!” What are these “social and moral standards” of which he speaks when he lacks basic, common-sense manners by which to effectively communicate his ideas with others?

    Or perhaps those are his standards: foul, fetid, spittle-flecked invective leveled at Jews, Christians and Muslims, regardless of how they practice their faith. I doubt he’s ever known an actual Muslim in his life.

    /worldwide technological and social progress/

    As if Europeans would have enjoyed this without Islam, whose practitioners not only preserved what Europeans had lost, but contributed to technological and social progress to such an extent that the Renaissance would not have occurred without Muslims.

    And, let’s be frank … said “progress” is, of itself, a double-edged sword. The application of moral standards determine the true nature of such progress, and thus far, our resident troll-in-chief has demonstrated that he has no such standards.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  39. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    If Europeans hate any Semetic-originating religion, I guess they can go atheist, but that seems to only drop fertility rates faster than anything else and they need to get back to replacement.

    If they want to go back to paganism because they think it’ll get them out of the morass, I guess it’s their choice.

    We’ll be seeing more of these I presume and people coming to sacrifice stuff before it in order to have it grant them more children (I mean they haven’t tried that, so at least it’s something different):

    Then again, this kind of stuff hasn’t really helped Japanese fertility rates much:

    What to do, what to do…?

    The funny thing is; Islam is the only religion I can think of that asserts that every nation was sent a Divine emissary and that it is just the narrative of primordial monotheism (those of the Hanifs) being brought full circle. There is no reason why the European peoples were not sent their own prophets.

    Don’t know if you’ve come across the researcher of anthropology and linguistics named Wilhelm Schmidt who argued that primordial monotheism was the belief of earliest humans, not paganism:
    https://jamesbishopblog.com/2019/03/24/wilhelm-schmidt-primordial-monotheism-as-the-earliest-religious-belief/comment-page-1/

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  40. Truth3 says:

    Once anything is possible, and permissible…

    … Everything will Go To Hell.

  41. @Talha

    Much as I enjoyed the Cook segment you embedded earlier, I was able to listen to it without viewing the video and my image blocker is still active, akhi. I’m also not about to let down my guard to view that fertility festival vid. I get the picture without getting the picture.

    /fertility rates/

    Know that the life of the world is mere play, and idle talk, and pageantry, and boasting among you, and rivalry in respect of wealth and children; as the likeness of vegetation after rain, whereof the growth is pleasing to the tiller, but afterward, it dries, and you see it turning yellow, becoming straw. And in the Hereafter, there is grievous punishment, and forgiveness from Allah, and His pleasure, whereas the life of the world is but a matter of illusion.” [57: 20]

    /Don’t know if you’ve come across the researcher of anthropology and linguistics named Wilhelm Schmidt who argued that primordial monotheism was the belief of earliest humans, not paganism./

    I had not heard of him until now. Shukran, once again.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  42. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    I’m also not about to let down my guard to view that fertility festival vid.

    Good for you. My teachers have stated that the sins of the eyes are one of the biggest causes of the loss of one’s spiritual progress (especially in this day and age).

    The video basically has a bunch of men in traditional Japanese clothing carrying and dancing around with a huge wooden penis. Uh…yeah. Anyway, it seems not to have done much for their fertility in Japan – maybe they need to dance faster or offer it more sacrifices…?

    I love that verse that you quoted. Also:
    “Every soul will taste death. You will be paid your wages in full on the Day of Resurrection. Anyone who is distanced from the Fire and admitted to the Garden has triumphed. The life of this world is just the enjoyment of delusion.” (3:185)

    Wilhelm Schmidt is an interesting fellow. There were a couple of others that made similar arguments, but I believe his is the better known.

    Wa salaam.

  43. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    There is only honor in fighting or resisting Dajjal – victory or death. In that fight, it is only the cowards that need fear Divine opprobrium.

    The type of thinking that tells you that the above grandiloquent phrasing communicates anything other than your group’s consistent state of Jew induced zealotry that has fucked up the world, is the same social deafness that has led to the West rightfully viewing your group as a mess of backwards violent morons.

    • Replies: @Talha
  44. NYMOM says:
    @Pandour

    I think that’s what people used to think; however, now it’s beginning to look like WWII will begin again in and/or around Europe…

    Some things never seem to change…

  45. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Yes, yes – you see we’re are just such inbred retards that we don’t realize that we should be far more concerned about what the West thinks of us than what God does. Just like we don’t understand that we are violating human rights by not letting men marry men when the West tell us so. We really are hopeless.

    When Dajjal appears, feel free to join him.

    Peace.

  46. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    For someone who detests Jews as much as he does, he certainly sounds like he’s angling for his own standup special on cable TV: “Live from Mount Doom, it’s Andrew Dice Anon!” What are these “social and moral standards” of which he speaks when he lacks basic, common-sense manners by which to effectively communicate his ideas with others?

    Or perhaps those are his standards: foul, fetid, spittle-flecked invective leveled at Jews, Christians and Muslims, regardless of how they practice their faith. I doubt he’s ever known an actual Muslim in his life.

    We are well passed the time for manners. Not one more life is worth manners. Not one apocalyptic Semitic cult member, especially those that found their best home with raiding desert nomads with no civilization of their own, deserves manners. You deserve the most severe censure and condemnation that can be expressed in words. Spain, alone, is all the reason to deprive your group of all civilized confrontation. As our military has shown you repeatedly.

    /worldwide technological and social progress/

    As if Europeans would have enjoyed this without Islam, whose practitioners not only preserved what Europeans had lost, but contributed to technological and social progress to such an extent that the Renaissance would not have occurred without Muslims.

    Lost, how? Due to the aggressive actions of Semitic subcults? Your contributions, when they occurred at all, are the remnants of the pre-Islamic societies that you ethnically cleansed through rape, murder, and relocation. Ethnic cleansing that occurred through the power of numbers that was brought about by your monkey-like sex drives that are great at reproducing low resource, low education zealots.

    And, let’s be frank … said “progress” is, of itself, a double-edged sword. The application of moral standards determine the true nature of such progress, and thus far, our resident troll-in-chief has demonstrated that he has no such standards.

    As if any condemnation of the copycat harvest cult of Islam that was tailored solely for high violence, executive-function deficient desert monkeys, by whatever phrasing necessary, is anything but the highest task in service of civilization.

    Refuting you by whatever means necessary, toward having the most impact, is the highest morality.

    • Troll: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  47. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Yawn…

    TL;DR

    Summary for anyone interested:
    “You guys are desert monkeys!”

    Well, I guess that’s a step up from sand-niggers…?

  48. Polemos says:
    @Anon

    Why would you rather have the world not destroyed?

    If you don’t accept the realization of an imagined utopia, what is technology and society progressing towards? Or is your imagination of a healthy humanity less idiosyncratic, or your progress less destructive?

    Not saying you’re wrong, of course. More wondering what motivates your responses.

  49. @Anon

    /We are well passed the time for manners./

    Apparently, you’re also well past the time for proper word usage.

    Good luck with that high I.Q. of yours, you alabaster master.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  50. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    I like how he said…

    all the reason to deprive your group of all civilized confrontation. As our military has shown you repeatedly.

    Apparently he’s quite proud of the result of the endless wars in the Middle East to kill Muzzies that neocons are constantly pushing for in order to safeguard Israel. And yet he claims WE are the ones being led by the nose by Zionist masters.

    LOL! You can’t make this stuff up!

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  51. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Also – and I know you don’t look at images, but this nonsense that we Muslims are the ones kowtowing to Zionist masters is so off the wall. Here is a list of the countries that do NOT maintain diplomatic relations with Israel:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel#/media/File:Israel-Palestine_Diplomacy.svg

    And here are the vaunted High-IQ resurgent native European hopefuls that will bring glory to the continent…

    Putin at the Wailing Wall:

    Orban at the Wall:

    Salvini at the Wall:

    Andzrej Duda (Polish President) at the Wall:

    Milos Zeman (Czech President) at the Wall:

    Even homeboy Geert Wilders is making sure he gets with the king-makers:

    Could you imagine a Muslim politician visiting the Wall or running on a platform that we need to establish diplomatic relations with Israel??!!

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  52. @Talha

    /And yet he claims WE are the ones being led by the nose by Zionist masters./

    Some time ago in these environs, I encountered another chest-thumping white nationalist railing against People of the Book in just the same manner as Anon. When I asked him to provide a superior alternative to what he so detested, his response was, “If you have to ask, you’ll obviously never get it.”

    Which is, quite simply, a tacit admission that they have nothing better to offer.

    And, not having it, they make the most malleable golems.

    • Agree: Talha
  53. @Talha

    Well, anyone who claims that Muslims didn’t bring technological and social progress to Europe is, quite simply, an imbecile.

    To cite but one plain example: If European astronomy could have remained independent of Arab influence, why did their scholars of the subject adopt so many Arabized constellation names?

    It’s just a waste of time dealing with such people. They believe what they want to, damn the facts.

    And he thinks this differs from religious faith, which is the most laughable irony of it all.

    was-salaam.

  54. don says:

    There is abundance -abundance a looooot information and the only mentions naked woman. That’s sounded exactly like Jewish speech. But it’s typical for a Muslims if he has 10 dollars in the pocket he talks about thousands.

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