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Shaykh Omar Baloch and Zeshan Shahbaz break down COVID-19 and the Great Reset from an Islamic perspective. Shaykh Omar Baloch was born and raised in Chicago where he served as an imam. He studied the Islamic sciences at Al-Azhar University and studied under the scholars of Tanzime Islami in Pakistan. He currently works full time in Islamic work in the field of Dawah & Counseling. Zeshan Shahbaz is a researcher, speaker and intellectual activist. He co-founded The Ummah Times: Decolonizing Minds platform where it facilitates bold discussions and analysis on how to improve the state of the Ummah and rest of humanity.

Note: The guest Mr. Zeshan, when speaking on Jenner and vaccinations, meant to say both Phipps and Jenner’s son who was also one of Jenner’s subjects, died of tuberculosis before they reached the age of 22.

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. kratic says:

    I always wondered about the hype .how many people were actually dying from Corona virus and other ailments and how all were lumped together including auto accidents victims. In Media frenzy all I could find were the number of deaths and cases. But never ever how on earth the corona virus patients recovered. What did they eat, what medicines they took, and how long they remain ill.

    Well now I can share some of first hand experiences. My niece in England got corona virus (a super duper one. I mean English one). Her symptoms were like old fashioned Malaria, i.e, headaches, extremely high temp, pain all over in body, loss of appetite and taste buds, shivering and cough. She kept herself isolated in her bed room. Took some left over quinine pills and no visit to hospital. After 3 days she started recovering and now is doing great.
    I was in NYC last week. In the building where I stayed one whole family suffered from the virus. They were so scared and did not bother to go to hospital. Same symptoms as above. Their approach was lots of fluid, ginger tea/water, Tylenol and very light food. The host’s one friend tested positive and got corona. Same symptoms. She did not go to the doctor for undue attention. She treated herself with cough medicine (Dayquel). Tylenol, lot liquid and tea.
    This is to share information on people who recovered from Corona Virus. I personally was scared of the virus not because of death but watching some Chinese falling like a dead leaf. Now I dont have that fear and hope I could handle it. Because I know what to expect.

  2. Zeshan says: • Website

    Connected to this discussion you can also check our recent podcast show here as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYW1Kt-2mQA

  3. To ‘moderate’ Muslims I pose these questions:

    What should be the punishment for women guilty of adultery?

    What should be the penalty for those who leave and renounce Islam?

    What should be the penalty for those who mock the “Prophet”?

    The answers will expose whether the Muslim is a Muslim or a moderate. He cannot be both.

  4. Amir says:
    @Irish Savant

    Punishment for woman should no be different than a man for adultery

    No penalty for converting to religion of his/her choice. But bad mouthing about other persons religion should not be allowed.

    Same treatment as for holocaust deniers.

    • Replies: @Druid
    , @Irish Savant
  5. Biff says:
    @Irish Savant

    What should be the punishment

    Having your lucky charms shoved up your Irish ass.

  6. @Irish Savant

    Throughout much of the world, including most of the USA throughout most of its history, the “punishment for women guilty of adultery” has been legally-sanctioned execution (of both the woman and her paramour) carried out by the offended husband. Islamic legal tradition, relying on ahadith, has more or less endorsed this kind of near-universal human approach to the #1 threat to happy & peaceful human social life…except that under Islam, men and women get exactly the same punishments—whereas in most traditional cultures, including traditional American culture, male adultery is tolerated while female adultery merits execution.

    Meanwhile, those relying strictly on Qur’an argue that the correct punishment for all fornicators/adulterers, male or female, is a hundred lashes.

    Such punishments are very rarely implemented, since conviction requires four adult witnesses to the actual act of penetration.

    So Islam, as always, “errs on the side of mercy.” The Qur’an always announces the punishments that criminals (including aggressors, i.e. war criminals) deserve, but then says mercy is better, and that if villains repent they should be treated with mercy (i.e. the harsh punishment can be called off). Even the Taliban, with their harsh backward patriarchal cultural interpretation of Islam, always did its best to convince offended parties, such as family members of murder victims, to forego their right to see the murderer executed, because Allah is the All-Merciful who loves and commands mercy.

    The emotional effect of these mostly-symbolic hudud punishments is to prevent crime by both frightening potential criminals and softening their hearts. Generally speaking, the more Islamic the society, the more peaceful and crime free. https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2013/08/16/jamil-2/

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    , @AnonStarter
  7. @Kevin Barrett

    The Qur’an has two overriding and in my view conflicting themes which Islamic scholars have feverishly tried to reconcile for over a thousand years.: These are the early tolerant one and the later intolerant one. The tolerant one (‘let there be no coercion in religion’ etc.) reflected the very early days of Muslims in Medina when they were a small and weak minority while the latter reflects their subsequent dominant position in Mecca and beyond. The distinction carries through to today in that Muslims are tolerant when they’re weak, dictatorial when they’re strong. To this day it’s impossible to build a church in Saudi Arabia yet when a Saudi-financed mosque was mooted for the Vatican the mullahs came across like woke Episcopalians.

    That ‘Islam errs on the side of mercy’ will come as a surprise to those terrified of offending the religion in any way, walking on eggshells to avoid provoking ‘misunderstanders of Islam’ – or to the likes of Salman Rushdie or Hirsi Ali against whom official fatwas have been declared. As to Islamic societies being peaceful, well all I can say is that you could have fooled me. Even Islamic communities within Western states are roiling pits of crime and poverty.

    Part of the problem – and I assure you I have no wish to be provocative here – lies in fundamental premise of The Prophet as the Perfect Man, given that Islamic texts make clear that he practised and condoned rape, pillage and massacres and consummated a ‘marriage’ to a nine-year old child. I have worked extensively in Muslim countries from Egypt to Pakistan and learned early that even the mildest criticism of Mohammed would elicit a furious response (if not worse) from even the most tolerant Muslim.

    I was and remain outraged by the criminal Israeli-instigated wars on and destruction of so many Muslim countries. This does not preclude me from believing Islam has no place in the West.

    • Disagree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @R2b
    , @Al Ross
  8. @Amir

    Care to do a head-count (whoops!) on the relative numbers of men and woman executed for adultery?

    I’m sure Salman Rushdie and Ayaan Hirsi Ali will be thrilled to learn the news that there’s no punishment for renouncing Islam.

    • Replies: @Anon
  9. R2b says:
    @Irish Savant

    I heartily agree!
    Kevin Barrett is a very intelligent and sympathetic person.
    Nevertheless, issues here are important.
    We live in a more than thousand years Christian civilisation, on the decline, unfortunately.
    But the values of that, that have shaped the world into a miracle of affluence, must be recognized! Should we then accept Mohammed, just like that?
    No!
    We must defend our more than thousand year Old Christian Civilisation.
    I value many parts of muslim morality.
    And wisdom.
    But the great question, is answered by the Lord Jesus Christ.
    A vast area to thread, but in his name your sins are forgiven.
    No examplar or refute of that has been presented.
    Why?
    Is it possible?

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  10. Amir says:

    Why should I waste my time on a pissing match with you. You are a jolly fella stay that way. When you think about Muslims you think about your friends in Saudis, Jordanian, Emerities, Bharainis and likes. They are considered barbarians in most of the Islamic world. If you are serious to learn about Islam take some time read a few books by Karen Armstrong (a former Nun) or Two faces of Islam by Stephen Schwartz. There is some information. But if you are looking for some dirt on Islam you would be happy to find tons of books.

    Ah, Salman Rushdi, Your hero. He could not find a decent job in Pakistan so came to England and took up a project funded by Zionist. Controversy generates revenues and Zionists are willing to provided to their lapdogs. Rushdi’s 2nd books went nowhere so did he.

    If you are interested in any help in collecting more names like Salman Rushdi I could provide you to put a smile on your face. There are tons of such folks in every religions who have genuinely challenged practices of their religion and there are Fakes (AH) who dont know anything about religion but ready to be an expert.
    Stay Healthy.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  11. polistra says:

    I’m glad Kevin is getting back to a proper Islamic subject. This discussion is clear and logical and helpful!

  12. @Amir

    Presumably I’m the subject of your charming reply, which I note is utterly devoid of factual rebuttal.

  13. @Kevin Barrett

    Meanwhile, those relying strictly on Qur’an argue that the correct punishment for all fornicators/adulterers, male or female, is a hundred lashes.

    If we rely upon both The Qur’an and hadith concerning punishment for adultery, there’s a clear contradiction in that the punishment for a slave is one-half that of a free man [4: 25]. How, then, do we half-lapidate someone?

    Shortly before his martyrdom, ‘Umar is reported to have said that “Had it not been for fear of the Muslims,” he would have restored to the written record of The Qur’an the ayat al-rajm (stoning verse) reportedly consumed by a goat (!) before ‘Uthman’s collation. This statement attributed to ‘Umar is not consistent with the entire history of his character. ‘Umar never failed to do a thing because he feared any person or group of persons.

    In short, there’s a strong case against capital punishment for adultery, one that has been made by a number of contemporary scholars, such as Dr. Jasser Auda and ʿAbdallāh al-Ghumārī.

    Same goes for apostasy, which occurred without retribution in the lifetime of the Prophet himself. Abu Bakr waged war against false flag insurrectionists who stopped paying zakat upon the worldly death of the Prophet, his war wasn’t against apostates. That was in keeping with the command to kill one who changes the religion, not his religion.

    And we find further error where the subject of slandering the Prophet is concerned. In examining this issue, it appears that the argument for punishing this offense originates from the Prophet’s approval of assassinating some poets after it was made clear that the respective tribes of these poets had formed a confederation with the Quraish to destroy the nascent Islamic polity in Medina. Such events have often been categorized by classical scholars as “military campaigns,” which implies they were undertaken in the context of war. As such, they cannot be construed as a general imperative to attack and kill any who slander the Prophet.

    Yes, “Irish Savant” is obviously incorrect in myriad respects: there is no “moderate” Islam, only Islam; classical scholarship does not evince obsession with the false dichotomy he imputes to it; Saudi Arabia’s restrictions on religious liberty are the exception, not the rule; there is no history of “raping and pillaging” as he mentions, and ‘Aisha radiALLAHU ‘anha was about 18 when her marriage to the Prophet was consummated.

    Unfortunately, the millennial Muslim world remains mired in some perspectives which, upon further scrutiny, have no sound basis in our source material, and it is these perspectives upon which antagonists fixate, remaining forever ignorant of Islam however “extensive” their experience may be.

    • Agree: Kevin Barrett
  14. @R2b

    “The values that have shaped the world into a miracle of affluence” are (a) post-Christian, not Christian, and (b) fueling the 6th Great Extinction and ushering in the singularity, the destruction of humanity by technology.

    These values are satanic. A return to traditional Islam/Christianity might save us.

    • Replies: @Al Ross
  15. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    100 Life Instructions from the Quran

    [MORE]

    1. Do not be rude in speech (3:159)
    2. Restrain Anger (3:134)
    3. Be good to others (4:36)
    4. Do not be arrogant (7:13)
    5. Forgive others for their mistakes (7:199)
    6. Speak to people mildly (20:44)
    7. Lower your voice (31:19)
    8. Do not ridicule others (49:11)
    9. Be dutiful to parents(17:23)
    10. Do not say a word of disrespect to parents (17:23)
    11. Do not enter parents’ private room without asking permission (24:58)
    12. Write down the debt (2:282)
    13. Do not follow anyone blindly (2:170)
    14. Grant more time to repay if the debtor is in hard time (2:280)
    15. Don’t consume interest (2:275)
    16. Do not engage in bribery (2:188)
    17. Do not break the promise (2:177)
    18. Keep the trust (2:283)
    19. Do not mix the truth with falsehood (2:42)
    20. Judge with justice between people (4:58)
    21. Stand out firmly for justice (4:135)
    22. Wealth of the dead should be distributed among his family members (4:7)
    23. Women also have the right for inheritance (4:7)
    24. Do not devour the property of orphans (4:10)
    25. Protect orphans (2:220)
    26. Do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly (4:29)
    27. Try for settlement between people (49:9)
    28. Avoid suspicion (49:12)
    29. Do not spy and backbite (2:283)
    30. Do not spy or backbite (49:12)
    31. Spend wealth in charity (57:7)
    32. Encourage feeding poor (107:3)
    33. Help those in need by finding them (2:273)
    34. Do not spend money extravagantly (17:29)
    35. Do not invalidate charity with reminders (2:264)
    36. Honor guests (51:26)
    37. Order righteousness to people only after practicing it yourself(2:44)
    38. Do not commit abuse on the earth (2:60)
    39. Do not prevent people from mosques (2:114)
    40. Fight only with those who fight you (2:190)
    41. Keep the etiquettes of war (2:191)
    42. Do not turn back in battle (8:15)
    43. No compulsion in religion (2:256)
    44. Believe in all prophets (2:285)
    45. Do not have sexual intercourse during menstrual period (2:222)
    46. Breast feed your children for two complete years (2:233)
    47. Do not even approach unlawful sexual intercourse (17:32)
    48. Choose rulers by their merit (2:247)
    49. Do not burden a person beyond his scope (2:286)
    50. Do not become divided (3:103)
    51. Think deeply about the wonders and creation of this universe (3:191)
    52. Men and Women have equal rewards for their deeds (3:195)
    53. Do not marry those in your blood relation (4:23)
    54. Family should be led by men (4:34)
    55. Do not be miserly (4:37)
    56.Do not keep envy (4:54)
    57. Do not kill each other (4:92)
    58. Do not be an advocate for deceit (4:105)
    59. Do not cooperate in sin and aggression (5:2)
    60. Cooperate in righteousness (5:2)
    61. ’Having majority’ is not a criterion of truth (6:116)
    62. Be just (5:8)
    63. Punish for crimes in an exemplary way (5:38)
    64. Strive against sinful and unlawful acts (5:63)
    65. Dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine are prohibited (5:3)
    66. Avoid intoxicants and alcohol (5:90)
    67. Do not gamble (5:90)
    68. Do not insult others’ deities (6:108)
    69. Don’t reduce weight or measure to cheat people (6:152)
    70. Eat and Drink, But Be Not Excessive (7:31)
    71. Wear good cloths during prayer times (7:31)
    72. protect and help those who seek protection (9:6)
    73. Keep Purity (9:108)
    74. Never give up hope of Allah’s Mercy (12:87)
    75. Allah will forgive those who have done wrong out of ignorance (16:119)
    76. Invitation to God should be with wisdom and good instruction (16:125)
    77. No one will bear others’ sins (17:15)
    78. Do not kill your children for fear of poverty (17:31)
    79. Do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge (17:36)
    80. Keep aloof from what is vain (23:3)
    81. Do not enter others’ houses without seeking permission (24:27)
    82. Allah will provide security for those who believe only in Allah (24:55)
    83. Walk on earth in humility (25:63)
    84. Do not neglect your portion of this world (28:77)
    85. Invoke not any other god along with Allah (28:88)
    86. Do not engage in homosexuality (29:29)
    87. Enjoin right, forbid wrong (31:17)
    88. Do not walk in insolence through the earth (31:18)
    89. Women should not display their finery (33:33)
    90. Allah forgives all sins (39:53)
    91. Do not despair of the mercy of Allah (39:53)
    92. Repel evil by good (41:34)
    93. Decide on affairs by consultation (42:38)
    94. Most noble of you is the most righteous (49:13)
    95. No Monasticism in religion (57:27)
    96. Those who have knowledge will be given a higher degree by Allah (58:11)
    97. Treat non-Muslims in a kind and fair manner (60:8)
    98. Save yourself from covetousness (64:16)
    99. Seek forgiveness of Allah. He is Forgiving and Merciful (73:20)
    100. Do not repel the petitioner/beggar (93:10)

  16. g b says:

    ‘ requires four adult witnesses to the actual act of penetration.’
    The context was strictly when you slander / question a woman’s character not limited to intercourse. Over the years it got expanded to benefit men.

  17. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Irish Savant

    We all are still suffering from COVID-19 and its new form. It seems everyone is under the psychology of fear. Fear of death, loss of business, loss of peace. COVID-19 has affected different people in different ways, and its impact on the world’s economies and asset markets can be seen.

    The impact is evident; therefore, we accept it and fear it. Fear is a part of human nature. We have a fear of the law but still, go against the law because we do not see the immediate impact of it. Many people do not realize the fact of fear and, most of the time, become fearless. Thousands of people worldwide who are involved in financial scandals and bribery do not fear the law. The brutal rulers who brutally kill thousands of people for their political interest, do not worry. Many people at top posts as authorities, administrators, executive officers, politicians, and anchors tell hundreds of lies repeatedly but do not fear. They do not fear what will happen to them after death. The question then is: Why the fear of Covid-19 and the fall of economies? We always remember immediate implications and overlook unknown other consequences.

    Life after death is taken either as storytelling or religious myth, socially constructed irrational and unscientific dogmas. Most people do not know the truth and reality of life after death. It seems they are ignorant of it. We need to remind them about the truth and reality of life after death, the existence of reward and punishment. I don’t think we should wither away with this issue. This issue of life after death, rewards, and punishment has become prominent in the context of Covid-19. Because no one is spared from the attack of Covid-19, everyone is cautious of it and wants to protect himself/herself. Suppose this is the reality of our life for some time to come. In that case, the question arises:

    Should anyone powerful and authoritative who causes fatalities and destruction to the natural environment and earth should go unpunished? Our rationality and scientific consciousness demand that everyone must be subject to the rule of law, reward, and punishment, even if they hold a very powerful or authoritative position. He/she must be checked and rewarded or punished according to law.

    [MORE]

    Our world is full of weapons by which hundreds and thousands of people are being killed without any legal provision. Weak people are treated badly and ruthlessly. They need justice, and justice must be done and seen by ONE WHO is capable of doing justice. Here comes the voice of none other than the Ruler of the Day of Justice. He introduces Himself as “the Lord of the entire Universe, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate; the Master of the Day of Judgement and Recompense.”

    The Lord of the entire universe did not hide anything from people. They were informed about the reality and truth of the Lord and our fate. It is made clear in the Quran that Allah alone is All-Mighty, All-Powerful, All-Wise, All-Knowing, All-Hearing, All-Seeing, All-Aware: “Judgement lies with Allah alone. He declares the Truth, and He is the best Judge [6:57]”. “Allah knows best how to judge the wrong-doers [6:58]”; “He knows all that lies beyond the reach of human perception as well as all that is visible to people. He is the All-Wise, the All-Aware [6:73]”; “It is He Who created you out of a single being and appointed for each of you a time-limit and a resting place. We have indeed spelled out Our signs for those who can understand [6:98]”; “Your Lord is not heedless of what they do [6:132]”.

    Tell them, [O Prophet]: “Did you consider [what would be your end] if this Quran were indeed from Allah and yet you rejected it? …while you waxed arrogant. Verily Allah does not guide such wrongdoers to the Right Way [46: 10].

    Tell them, [O Prophet]: “Did you ever consider: if this Quran is indeed from Allah and you still deny it, who can be in more significant error than he who goes far in fiercely opposing it [41: 52].

    We are informed clearly beyond any doubt using powerful rational arguments and empirical and historical evidence that soon Allah would show us His Signs on the horizons and in our beings. Soon everything would become clear to us that life after death is not storytelling or myth but an absolute Truth and Reality [41: 43]. Therefore, we are asked just to imagine what would happen to us on the Day of Judgement [in the Hereafter] when all people of the past, present, and future would be gathered to face the Judgement. Our ears, our eyes, and our skins would be asked to give witness against ourselves, stating all that whatever we had done in life [41: 19-20]. Allah says in the Quran, no doubt, in this world to most of us it may appear as illusory, but it would happen in reality, and our skins would give witness against ourselves. Then we would ask our skins: “Why did you bear witness against us?” The skins will reply: “Allah gave us speech, as He gave speech to all others” [41: 21].

    The skins of our bodies would say and conform that it was Allah Who had created us and showed us the RIGHT WAY OF LIFE but we did not follow it. It is Allah Who created for the first time the entire creation and it is to Him that we would return [again He would create us in the Hereafter] [41: 21]. There in the Hereafter, we would realize that we used to conceal ourselves while committing misdeeds and sins but never thought that our ears and eyes and skins would ever bear witness against us; we rather fancied that Allah does not know a great deal of what we do [41:23]. This thought of ours about our Lord has led us to our perdition and we have become among the losers [41:24]. Allah did not hide anything. He declared everything:

    …To Us is their return, and then We shall inform them of all that they did. Surely Allah knows well even the secrets that are hidden in the breasts [of people] [31: 23].

    We allow them to enjoy themselves a while in the world and then We shall drive them in utter helplessness to a harsh chastisement [31: 24].

    The creation of all of us in the Hereafter again after death or to resurrect all of us is to Him like creating or resurrecting a single person. Verily Allah is All-Hearing, All-Seeing [31: 28]. We, therefore, must think and fear Him:

    O people, fear [the wrath] of your Lord, and dread the Day [Dy of resurrection] when no father will stand for his child, nor any child stand for his father. Indeed Allah’s promise is true. So, let the life of this world not beguile you, nor let the Deluder delude you about Allah [31: 33].

    More serious admonition is made here again for our reflection. On the Day of Judgement, when we will see the nature of punishment, we would cry. This psychology of ours is expressed here in the Quran:

    If the wrongdoers possessed the treasures of the earth in their entirety and as such besides, they would gladly offer it on the Day of Resurrection to redeem themselves from the harrowing chastisement. This because there will appear to them from Allah something [exceedingly dismal which] they had never even imagined [38: 47].

    The evil consequences of our deeds would become fully apparent to us, and what we had scoffed at will encompass us [38: 48]. We would not be able to run away from the consequences of our deeds. We can do whatever we like in this world but would not be able to avoid our fate.

    Surely Allah alone has the knowledge of the Hour. It is He Who sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs, although no person knows what he will earn tomorrow, nor does he know in which land he will die. Indeed, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware [31: 34].

  18. Al Ross says:
    @Irish Savant

    It may surprising to us that any critique of the Muslim Prophet’s behaviour elicits such violent responses , especially when one knows that Mohammed is definitely not revered as Divine.

    However ,we would do well to remember that Islam is a Third World Religion whose adherents’ average IQ is mid – 8os.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  19. Al Ross says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Affluence – Weber – Protestantism ? No connection whatsoever ?

    You should accord the devil a capital S. You might get fired.

  20. @Al Ross

    violent responses

    Lol

    Rather, the responses were completely civil, exhibiting perfect patience with a former expat who attempts in vain to exploit his superficial experience with Muslims as proof of his expertise on Islam. I myself have lived, worked and studied extensively with Muslims overseas. I even worked with expats like “Irish Savant,” most of whom lived demonstrably isolated lives while overseas. His type is very familiar to me.

    Al Ross: “Little recent commenting history.”

    Ah, okay … Should have checked this first.

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