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Has the US repeatedly used bioweapons in anger? Is COVID-19 just the latest episode?

Ron Unz, who has written about the Suvorov thesis (discussed in my previous interview with Sean McMeekin) discusses his most recent article “American Pravda: Waging Biological Warfare.” In it he summarizes material from Nicholson Baker (author of “The Lab Leak Hypothesis“) and other mainstream authors who have recounted bits and pieces of the suppressed history of US biological warfare programs.

Does biological warfare represent a much greater threat than is commonly understood? And did the COVID-19 pandemic emerge from a biowar lab leak, as Baker surmises—or from a deliberate US neocon biowar strike on China and Iran, as Ron Unz has persuasively argued?

Note: I am reading Baseless: My Search for Secrets in the Ruins of the Freedom of Information Act and will be inviting the author, Nicholson Baker, to appear on this show.

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Paul2 says:

    Very interesting. What about the possibility that Covid-19 was not unintended “blowback” but very much intended, to establish a totalitarian access control system via Digital ID 2020 and “vaccine passports”? Such a plan would go together well with the possibility to blame China and with the suppression of treatments and the deliberately misleading statistics on “cases” and deaths “of or with” Covid-19.

  2. @Paul2

    It seems possible that at least some of the neocons who unleashed COVID might have war-gamed contingency plans for the kind of global pandemic we’ve seen, and concluded that it would allow the West to (1) use the emergency as an excuse to ramp up totalitarianism in service to more intense competition and/or war with China, (2) cull millions of the old, unhealthy boomers at the top of the inverted age pyramid that’s an apocalyptic threat to Western economies and Western economic competition with China, and of course (3) blame China for COVID at whatever level of intensity necessary to spur whatever level of competition/war is necessary at any given moment.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  3. CamFree says:

    We know Ron’s engaged in some kind of misdirection, because his thesis makes no sense. Just look at the >99.9% survival rates of those infected. If Covid-19 is a US bio-weapon, it’s the worst bio-weapon ever! As a weapon of social, economic and psychological warfare, however, it’s been stunningly successful on the populations of the West…

  4. Wuhan itself is interesting. America’s largest city is New York City at over 8 million people. Wuhan has over 11 million people.

    Wuhan airport is the busiest in central China. Lolocated in the center of China’s airline route network, it can serve over 20 million passengers per year. This would make it the optimal place to start a pandemic.

    Locating a BSL-4 lab there was an interesting decision.

    I wonder who made it and why.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  5. Carlo says:
    @CamFree

    That is true. Perhaps the intention was not exactly to kill, but rather just have an excuse to implement the totalitarian measures they wanted, as Paul2 states in the first comment here.
    On the other hand, remember that they are all the time also “warning” us of the possibility of deadlier and more contagious variants, so perhaps they have more tricks up their sleeves and COVID-19 is just the beginning….

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  6. covid escaped, first from Ft. Detrich & later from Wuhan lab, before it was effectively weaponized.

    the various jew.gov “vaccines”, OTOH, are evidently

    a much more effective bio-weapon, variously attacking the heart, ovaries, brain,

    and immune system of those who get shot up with the stuff.

  7. @CamFree

    While I personally am on the fence about the RU-thesis, it should be noted that tools of warfare can sometimes be deliberately used to create economic chaos rather than death. The fact is that CV-19 has done more in the way of economic damage than in the infliction of direct immediate casualties. But that does not disprove the RU-thesis. It just means that the goal would have been to trigger an economic breakdown in China without killing too many people. Still theoretically plausible.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Joe Paluka
  8. Ron Unz says:
    @Patrick McNally

    While I personally am on the fence about the RU-thesis, it should be noted that tools of warfare can sometimes be deliberately used to create economic chaos rather than death. The fact is that CV-19 has done more in the way of economic damage than in the infliction of direct immediate casualties. But that does not disprove the RU-thesis. It just means that the goal would have been to trigger an economic breakdown in China without killing too many people. Still theoretically plausible.

    Well, I hate to sound churlish, but I wonder if you’ve actually read any of my numerous articles on the Covid outbreak, beginning 16 months ago. I’ve probably argued that Covid was an “anti-economy bioweapon” many dozens of times, often in very explicit terms, e.g. “The virus seems to have the ideal characteristics of an anti-economy bioweapon, intended to devastate the society and economic life of a targeted country.”

    And this passage of mine has been repeated on at least four or five occasions:

    One important point he made was that high lethality was often counter-productive in a bioweapon since debilitating or hospitalizing large numbers of individuals may impose far greater economic costs on a country than a biological agent which simply inflicts an equal number of deaths. In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

    Most studies indicate that Covid has a fatality rate (IFR) in the range of 0.5% to 1%, so it would have been rather ludicrous for anyone to suggest that it was intended as an anti-personnel bioweapon.

    I’m glad that you seem to have independently come to similar conclusions.

  9. @Carlo

    I think they want people to believe they must take the jabs or die.

    So….they will be able to shoot whatever they want into people, and God knows what kind of satanic chemical stew it might be.

    I do think it’s all about control and jewish paranoia, bottom line.

  10. @Ron Unz

    I think you may have meant this to be addressed to CamFree. That was the poster who seemed sure that the economic impact was proof that you were “engaged in some kind of misdirection, because his thesis makes no sense.” Take it up with CamFree.

  11. CamFree says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for the clarification Ron, however your argument “that the goal would have been to trigger an economic breakdown in China” seems forced and convoluted in the light of what has actually happened. To continue to claim that China/Iran were the intended enemy of those who planned and orchestrated this next level multi-dimensional warfare now functions as a comforting decoy that only obfuscates what we’re really up against here.

    To see the physical, biological, psychological and soco-economic devastation visited upon the Western world over the last 18 months as not merely “accidental blowback” but as the whole point of this Covid operation is more than most people know how to deal with. But the fact that almost all Western nations have so rapidly given up their fundamental freedoms and adopted a disturbingly centralized, authoritarian Chinese model of top-down totalitarian government, gives us every indication that the populations of the West have been the intended target of this full spectrum warfare from the beginning, and I’m yet to see a single shred of evidence to suggest otherwise.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  12. The MK-Ultra stuff probably went further than most people think.

    World’s Scariest Drug

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  13. @CamFree

    Where does the evidence lie? It indicates there no virus in 2020 to mid 2021. Rather it was the flu and forced hospitalizations and intubations that led to deaths. In many other cases it was Latinos who were carrying dormant tuberculosis, a respiratory disease. This is proven out in CDC data of Deaths – All Causes that did not increase from 2019 more than the increase in elderly population.

    But once fear, panic and coercion began, that forced people into vaccinations. The vax is the bio weapon because the spike protein in the vax will destroy capillaries and lead to an enlarged heart in 3 years.

    So much for the Wuhan lab lead since it was only the flu. But the myth of the leak created fear.

    As for the deaths in Iran, again they were most likely flu (Influenza A) of elderly Mullahs.

    But now the Delta Variant is a bio weapon and the vaxxed are the superspreaders.

  14. @Si1ver1ock

    So what is it? The video is vapid and unwatchable from the start with the tour of Columbia.

    • Replies: @Si1ver1ock
  15. anti says:
    @CamFree

    I think it could be because bio weapon did not work as they thought it would. If we go back to last march in the UK they told us 500,000 people were going to die in the coming months. We locked down and everything went well. Everything was in place people got paid to stay at home loads of shops were paid thousands of pounds for closing. With in weeks of lockdown. This country never works that well? I think it was a plan. A worldwide one. The only thing that went wrong was the bio weapon thankfully did not work.
    Then they just kept us locked down and carried on with the plan by inflating the deaths anyway they could. Then they move into plan B.
    Hence the complete madness that is going on world wide at the moment.

  16. @CamFree

    The fact that “Western nations have so rapidly given up their fundamental freedoms and adopted a disturbingly centralized, authoritarian Chinese model of top-down totalitarian government” does not necessarily mean that “the populations of the West have been the intended target of this full spectrum warfare from the beginning.” If you study the history of biological warfare, you’ll discover that the US, Russia, Israel, South Africa and other countries have made many extraordinarily criminal and reckless moves and sometimes incurred horrific blowback.

    Though it is conceivable that rogue actors could target the entire global population for Malthusian purposes, as depicted in Dan Brown’s novel Inferno, 99% of the history of biological weapons involves nation states attacking or planning to attack other nation states for easily-discernable strategic reasons, and often killing their own people, crops, and livestock due to unintended blowback. And there has never been a situation in which a bio-attack was more inevitable and easily predictable than the current one, in which US neocons feel the need to stop China’s economic rise using deniable methods.

    So for those who know history, Ron Unz’s interpretation is far more plausible than yours. The West’s move to totalitarianism is (1) a natural and obvious response to an ultra-contagious bioweapon that kills 1 in 200 people it infects, and (2) preparation for rallying the population behind intensifying war with China.

    • Disagree: thotmonger
  17. SafeNow says:

    “Well, I hate to sound churlish, but I wonder if you’ve actually read any of my numerous articles on the Covid outbreak, beginning 16 months ago. I’ve probably argued that Covid was an “anti-economy bioweapon” many dozens of times”

    A commendably polite (because of the first 6 words) and appropriate (because of “many dozens”) reprimand. Missing Ron’s previous writing on this was like missing a tuba in a telephone booth. (Oops, old-fellow simile; phone booths no longer exist.) Usually the remiss-commenter offense is less egregious. This problem constantly occurs, because Ron writes a lot of words, and because we commenters often don’t remember a particular important point and/or don’t go back to search for old essays. So, Ron, please do keep posting a reminder where important. And, we’ll try to do better.

  18. CamFree says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin, I’m just dumbfounded as to why such highly talented and deeply engaging conspiracy dissidents as Ron and yourself are all of a sudden compelled to break rank and maintain this unwavering belief in the controlling narratives of an openly hostile ruling establishment.

    The so-called lethal threat of this “ultra-contagious bioweapon” and the seemingly inexorable threat of this so-called “intensifying war with China” today constitute the most vital propaganda narratives of a ruling class that no longer has any self-evident or automatic legitimacy. But somehow the truth now happens to coincide with the nefarious global agendas of these time-honoured masters of the Big Lie?

    Ok Boomer. Love your work anyway….

  19. What if someone stumbled onto it –in Fort Detrick- Chapel Hill and it is unique and has potential to upset—now how to plant it—need big event and prospect it will infect the entrire nation after CDC closed in Beijing summer 2019 and Pompeo closing embassies.

  20. @CamFree

    Who is this “controlling ruling establishment” that wants us to think/know that COVID was unleashed by neocons in an attack on China? What are they trying to achieve by promoting that narrative at Unz.com and suppressing it everywhere else?

    • Replies: @thotmonger
    , @CamFree
  21. I believe it was a US/UK bioweapon attack, started in Wuhan so it could be blamed on the Wuhan lab if it became known that Corona was made via GOF. The governments of the west are pushing vaccine mandates so hard, that is their way of turning US into a overt totalitarian country. Once the Vaccine passports are in the nanobots will follow.

  22. @CamFree

    Where science meets politicians.

  23. @Kevin Barrett

    USA is becoming laughing stock –what 640,000 deaths and every state infected and kids returning to school with no masks —–whatever—-now back to the fires in Oregon….hospital beds in Texas in short supply but cadaver reefers in big demand –winter is approaching—-

  24. Wokechoke says:

    A rapidly ageing population with all power and wealth locked up by an ageing Bab Boom cohort would react like this to a viral outbreak that primarily kills off the over 70. The amazing thing about this virus is that it didn’t lead to younger men slaughtering the aged to gain their houses and treasures.

  25. @Patrick McNally

    If it was a biowarfare weapon, they sure hated the restaurant business more than any other. I think it’s been more devastated more than any other.

  26. dimples says:

    Forget the overwrought and over-complicated conspiracy theories that only serve to bolster the ego of the conspiracy theorist. This pandemic is just another part of the process of civilization’s moral decay, another of the many age related cancers eating away at the societal body. The good days are over, now it’s over the hill and falling to pieces, as any civilization does eventually.

    To even contemplate viral gain of function research is madness. The scientists involved were in it for the money and prestige. They did it because this madness is lavishly funded by our dimwitted and corrupt overlords. The inevitable happens, the enhanced virus escapes, the rest is opportunism by the same dimwitted and corrupt overlords. It’s all one with the mass importation of the lower races, globo homo and the replacement of the questing intelligence with leftoon ideology.

  27. @Si1ver1ock

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-08-20/COVID-19-origins-What-has-China-done-for-origins-tracing–

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-08-20/Inside-look-at-Wuhan-National-Biosafety-Laboratory-in-100-seconds--12SmPZy0qhW/index.html12T0DBUGJRC/index.html

    “As I was saying Gomez–Frank Olson thought he could fly from Fort Detrick to Chapel Hill but he could not get out of New York City–let alone the State” and Jim Dan Ruff is a top flight ex CIA expert of fact……

  28. @Kevin Barrett

    Who is this “controlling ruling establishment” that wants us to think…

    It hardly matters what we think, as long as they continue ruling. Who? How the hell would I know? it is out of my pay scale. But Bolton and Pompeo? The usual suspects?! Poo. Those are just hatchet men. Like Cheney and Rumsfeld were. Hatchet men. Not the controllers. Not the puppet masters.

    Maybe it is like a three ring circus. Under the Big Tent where you find the main acts, all the great clowns and acrobats, and elephants and donkeys, there is the mainstream. The general public, mesmerized, in thrall.

    It is busy outside too. Mean old tigers in small cages, wrestling midgets, and bearded ladies with one titty exposed. That is the side show. The shocking stuff, not for everyone. Smelly. Many people refuse to go there, and many who do refuse to admit it. But every act on those fair grounds is only by the grace and permission of the Big Tent owners. That is the deal. That is where we are today with Big Tech, War Inc. and the Deep State. Or am I wrong?

    Back to the side show.

    Not that it matters, but Ron Unz’s take on the Covid 19 origins remains unpersuasive. I will reiterate a couple reasons.

    1. The “rogue element” of neocons (barely named by Unz, but including Bolton and Pompeo, ha) could not have guided the breathless mainstream media coverage on this emergent infectious disease that barely deserves the title of pandemic. This media coverage has been an ongoing, top down management decision. It includes the mass censorship of all kinds of dissenting health experts. It includes weaponizing the story against one side in the last presidential election. It includes sponsoring months of violent and destructive mass protests under the guise of racial justice while ignoring (or denying?) this must have fueled the spread a dangerous air born contagious disease. Was this all just opportunism? Or how could some little click of has-been neocons have pulled this off while running for cover when the “pandemic” is mowing down countless octogenarians?

    2. Nah. Never mind. The first torpedo already hit the target.

  29. CamFree says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin, the “COVID was unleashed by neocons to attack China” narrative is being promoted here at Unz.com and nowhere else in order to divert and deflect its heretical readers attention away from the usual suspects – the open secret of organized Jewry’s infiltration and subverion of Western culture has gone next level with Covid as our compromised and cowardly ruling elites wage full spectrum economic, social, political and psycho-spiritual war on people of Europen descent.The planned collapse of the West is the obvious purpose and self-evident outcome of this fake pandemic, not attacking China.

    So I don’t know for sure of course – and I reeally don’t mind either way tbh. But those on Unz claiming that China was the real target but things went wrong look to me like they’re running a Jewish supremacist protection racket. And who could blame them…

  30. BlackFlag says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    I thought according to most people, including Unz, the neocons were a group of Jewish nationalists masquerading as democracy ideologues whose main objective was to direct US foreign policy towards Israel’s interests. Why would they attack China? Even if China threatens America’s (and thus Israel’s) global hegemony it seems to be straying from their core mission. Furthermore, such an attack wouldn’t even have much of an effect although it might be fun. Has there been a shift in neocon culture since the 2001? Are they now primarily American nationalists?

    Also, have a hard time believing that such a dedicated rogue element exists within the US bureacracy. The rogue elements would gain no career benefits since the operation was hidden. On the contrary, they would incur huge risk because their actions could be revealed. This is a much bigger deal then killing off Cuba’s poultry and swine herds and US agencies do not run as tight of a ship. So they would have to be true believers in a cause to take such huge personal risk. I don’t see this type existing in the US at this time. Bolton, for example, seems like a career politician who sold out, not a true believer.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  31. @Paul2

    It’s plainly a VERY BIG project, a sort of ‘Hail Mary’ effort to rescue a dying Empire and a moribund system, ‘Free Market’ capitalism. Multi, even omni, faceted.

  32. @Kevin Barrett

    Centralised, ‘authoritarian’, government in China is designed to protect the people, and it has worked. Centralised, totalitarian, governance in the West, with coercive vaccination, vaccine passports, totalitarian censorship of information, widespread MSM disinformation and the usual 100% Groupthink is designed to protect the rich owners of society, and has failed, most spectacularly in the USA, where hundreds of thousands were sacrificed by thugs like Cuomo. And the ‘health authorities’ spin like tops, changing their ‘advice’ weekly, and ruthlessly suppressing proven, cheap, safe re-purposed medications like ivermectin, while pushing experimental gene therapy injections. Chalk and cheese.

  33. @BlackFlag

    The Zionazis HATE China because they fear it. There is the Talmudic hatred of the goyim, particularly the Sons of Man, Shem and whatever, there is the reality that Jews will not control China as they do the West, there is China’s outrageous, ‘antisemitic’, refusal to treat Jews as ‘Gods Upon the Earth’, but as mere, fellow, humans, there is China’s protection of Iran, its advocacy of peace in the Near East etc, etc, etc.

    • Replies: @mc23
  34. @Ron Unz

    In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.

    The economy-killing effects of Covid-19 had almost nothing to do with the virus itself and almost everything to do with the lockdowns. So, indeed, did a large portion of the illnesses and deaths. If we had completely ignored Covid-19, there would have been almost no economic impact at all and many fewer cases and deaths.

    Therefore, if Covid-19 was intended to be an economic bioweapon, its efficacy in that regard was dependent not on itself but on governmental responses to it. This is triple bank-shot thinking and rather implausible.

    • Agree: dimples
  35. @Jim Christian

    It gets into weird areas. The actual drug is scopolamine. Or that is what chemists would call the “active ingredient.” But it can be used in combination with other substances like morphine or heroin.

    These alkaloids when used in combination gave rise to a synergistic state called “twilight sleep”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine

    There are several components required for successful mind control. At a minimum:

    1. A Bump Key. (substance or process that puts the subject into a receptive state)
    2. The Controller. (usually a person)
    3. The Subject. (screened for suitability)
    4. The program to be installed. ( Root kit )

    The bump key gets you in, like hacking a computer. Elements of the brain involved in volition are simply bypassed rather than engaged.

  36. The totality of evidence suggests that the majority of excess deaths, millions worldwide and at least half a million in the US, are in fact caused by the disease. The lockdowns, which also kill many people and damage economies, are a predictable response to a highly contagious disease that kills one in 200 people it infects. That’s why COVID is an ideal anti-economy bioweapon. The much more lethal SARS wasn’t, because it was so nasty that people who caught it were quickly detected and taken out of social circulation before they could transmit it.

    • Replies: @dimples
  37. @CamFree

    What an indigestible lump you just wrote! Try writing your ten points with a YES or NO next to each one, so we can see what you really think.

  38. dimples says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Yes but not in China, the supposed target of the bioweapon. Due to China being an autocratic state run by reasonably intelligent apparatchiks, the virus was quickly suppressed, unlike in the USA the supposed originator of the bioweapon. So its only an ideal bioweapon in shambolic supposedly democratic loony bins like the USA. The crackpot Unz theory doesn’t even pass this hurdle.

  39. mc23 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Unfortunately for some in a Chinese dominated world Jews will be on the same level as Zoroastrian Parsees from India.

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