Unz is, as usual, dead-on target:

the debt-based (((System))) will collapse when

the Whites no longer enjoy

their daily warm shower of Jewbux. Then

there will be Ra-Ho-Wa. In the meantime, of course,

it’s also useful to chip away at the foundations.

What myths collapsed during Great Depression, what lies were exposed? I do not believe that some future crisis will open 9/11 or Holocaust to possible revisions.

a world-class disaster—most likely a hugely destructive war and/or economic crunch.

Optimist. Truth only emerges once it is irrelevant and is then ignored. Unremitting lies and disinformation have nearly infinite power. Lies are cheap and easy. Truth is nuanced and expensive. The best possible outcome is a shifting equilibrium where truth can sometimes emerge. Thx to all who make the effort for truth. I’m outta here.

But the Great Depression era did not have mass media and society was still largely agrarian although it was fast changing. They just had newspapers. It’s a different ball game now.

Interesting discussion–but I guess I see this a little differently.

I showed my wife the “American Moon” video discussed in our _long_ moon landing conspiracy thread.

She found the technical arguments boring, the historical arguments boring, the video arguments boring, the photo arguments boring, and was not all that impressed until near the end of the video when she saw the astronauts (Armstrong, Aldrin..) first press conference after they allegedly returned from the moon.

“Omigod–they really didn’t go the moon.”

The language that she understood was body language of real people. Arguments and statistics and analysis didn’t “take”. But she understood at an intuitive level that people will be excited and enthusiastic after great accomplishments, and will be withdrawn and depressed when they feel trapped and forced to lie.

My point here is that everyone has different communication styles, and while Ron may be impressed with reputable people with long careers and expertise presenting in-depth analysis, many other folks will be persuaded in other ways.

This is a great topic, and I hope we keep working on it….

“Attack” — but how? An op-ed in the WSJ? Appear on Tucker? MSM consumers do not read or view these. I agree with the “who” of the attack, but cannot envision the “how.”

As for events that might trigger a change, the ME wars and collusion hoax were insufficient. (And these insufficient events were, in the parlance of the physicists who question string theory, “not even wrong.”) “”Economic crunch” is on the right track, but it would take more than a crunch: A socialist administration is elected; the stock market declines 50% in a responsive cascading panic; a depression ensues; people then come to their senses.

I think that it would have been truthier if this was entitled, ” How The Elite – (University Professors, Publishers, and Government Employees ) Can Win The Truth Movement.”

Unz says that it’s necessary to have fashionable people saying unfashionable things. I’m not convinced, because I don’t see any evidence that discussion persuades at all. When you’re locked into one side, it doesn’t matter who is saying the “wrong” side.

Persuasion happens by accident when you run into an unfashionable fact in your own experience, OUTSIDE of a discussion situation. There are many ways for this to happen, and I don’t think there’s any good way to insure that it happens more often. A teacher or salesman can arrange for those serendipitous experiences to happen with the subject or product, but there’s no general method for broader truths.

Ron Unz has argued that the truth movement ought to recognize that its primary enemy is the mainstream media—and strategically work to discredit it by “swarming” its weakest links with alternative perspectives.

Follow the vets on this one.

Recently some of the young, just-returning-from-Afganistan soldiers, and our other wars also, are forming the equivalent of the old Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

The new movement should be getting more attention soon. It’s still fairly new and very under-reported, but the are getting around to talking with the older vets and civilians and gaining some traction.

What was heartening about the old VVAW was that they made great strides in shaking Nixon’s “silent majority” horse apples by simply talking to their fathers, uncles, veterans of Korea or WWII and telling them it’s really wasn’t about the long-haired draft dodgers vs Patriotism. A year after Nixon’s 1972 landslide lots of the older vets wouldn’t admit to voting for Dick, which was a joy to behold.

Face it, the media and government have made a cult of the Thank a Vet and all that. Some of us actual vets smell a rat. The UK has created the same sort of cult, which is just as suspicious as ours.

Not professors or specialist academics. Just the young people who saw what they saw and can spread the news to the rest of the country. It worked a bit back then, might work now.

Anyone here who’s recently back or has some useful things to say about the start of the current wars might want to have a thread dedicated to that?

In later reminiscences the astronauts described how exhausted they were through all the hoopla. Maybe even before the first press conference they were tired of being enthusiastic. Also I imagine the literally mundane earth would seem unreal after what they had been through.

Just visiting says: “ My point here is that everyone has different communication styles, and while Ron may be impressed with reputable people with long careers and expertise presenting in-depth analysis, many other folks will be persuaded in other ways.”

Very true. Great comment. And , besides which, being “impressed with reputable people with long careers and expertise presenting in-depth analysis,” is a MAJOR mistake , in my opinion.

Regards, onebornfree

Video Link

http://septemberclues.info/

Ron Unz says: “Perhaps I’m missing something, but I think our ruling elites of the last couple of generations have been vastly more corrupt, criminal, and incompetent than the ones in the early decades of the 20th century.”

Dear Ron, this “just” in:

Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt  criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.”   onebornfree

“Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.”      Albert J. Nock

“Government  is a disease masquerading as its own cure”  Robert LeFevere

Regards,onebornfree

Hey Ron why no easy download button pointing to the mp3?

You might want to have a look at the myriad reasons why downloading rather than streaming is the more hygienic practice and linking your phone to your car is the privacy equivalent of spending a month with Barry the Kenyan in a San Francisco Bathhouse: you will be diseased.

There was a radio in just about every American household in the ’30s — probably the single most significant step toward the era of mass propagandizing.

In later reminiscences the astronauts described how exhausted they were through all the hoopla. Maybe even before the first press conference they were tired of being enthusiastic. Also I imagine the literally mundane earth would seem unreal after what they had been through.

You are making my point–the press conference may not have proved anything to _you_.

Everyone has different ways of being persuaded. I think that is the _key_. Any efforts to persuade others needs to have a wide variety of tools in the toolkit.

You have Francesco Cossiga, a former President of Italy, claiming that it is common knowledge among intelligence agencies that 911 was directed by CIA and Mossad, and he’s no crackpot:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ex-italian-president-intel-agencies-know-9-11-an-inside-job/7550

Just to add a few highly credible mainstream names regarding 911, think Dr Bob Bowman (former head of Star Wars), Major General Stubblebine, Richard Humenn PE (chief Electrical Engineer for WTC towers) and of course the latest U Fairbanks Dr Leroy Hulsey.

Paul Craig Roberts was formerly a highly respected individual, but he is now a “holocaust denier”. Wikipedia says so. So no one will take him seriously 🙂

You are onto something extremely important, Franz: ability to shape events rests in those with “the monopoly on violence.”

Ron Unz operates in the world of communications, and it’s clear that communications — whether writers like Tom Paine, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Mearsheimer & Walt, or Henry Luce, New York Times and National Review, or Hollywood and cable and network televised & internet media — point the direction someone wants a mob (crowd) to turn.

But Ron describes a chicken-and-egg problem: The Luce – NYTimes – Hollywood etc. faction holds financial and other forms of enforcement power over the opposition: the notable writers that Unz regards highly (and features on his phenomenal archive) were neutered, rendered impotent by the ability of those who were able to punish them (or those who would publish and sell them) financially, socially, even physically. Up-and-coming, or would-be truth-telling notable writers are even more vulnerable to that ability to punish.

So it’s not the thinkers and writers that are lacking.

It is that enforcement power, “the monopoly on violence,” as Cora Sol Goldstein terms it in Capturing the German Eye, a recounting of the psychological warfare carried out upon Germans in the aftermath of WWII, that “crushes” the resistance and elevates usurpers.

In Germany, that power was held by US military forces — soldiers, just like the ones Franz describes. Goldstein also observed that military leaders as well as congress persons were often and vocally opposed to the violent means and psychological warfare being carried out against the German people [see Bendersky], but that civilians on the ground usurped authority and raised private funds to devise schemes of their own to continue psychological warfare.

In other words, soldiers ended up pointing their weapons in directions not fully sanctioned by those who held legitimate authority.

Therefore, I believe that in furtherance of Ron Unz’s hopes expressed in conversation w/ Kevin Barrett, it is extremely important to get those who actually wield the instruments of violence to re-direct those instruments toward defense of the American people, not the usurpers.

Franz’s words are very important and deserve broader hearing and support:

Face it, the media and government have made a cult of the Thank a Vet and all that. Some of us actual vets smell a rat. The UK has created the same sort of cult, which is just as suspicious as ours.

Not professors or specialist academics. Just the young people who saw what they saw and can spread the news to the rest of the country. It worked a bit back then, might work now.

Anyone here who’s recently back or has some useful things to say about the start of the current wars might want to have a thread dedicated to that?

Some memorable lines here:

“Do crazy things that don’t work, and you run into a lot of problems down the line”

“50% of Americans have less than $500 savings”

The US elite can spin all they want an economic downturn that wipes out financially 50% of the population (on the basis that Deplorables don’t matter) – but as Ron points out, Russian society finally reacted against the craziness of Bolshevik agricultural collectivization and Chinese society reacted against the craziness of the Red Guards and the Cultural Revolution.

In both cases the Communists stayed in power by taking pressure off the public (i.e. by starting to do things that worked).

Interesting to see whether the Zio-Glob and their Antifa Red Guards learn this lesson.

In Paul Craig Robert’s article today, Robert’s asserts that various accounting gimmicks are used for calculating GDP.

GDP is calculated by adding consumption, investement ( which does not include stocks, bonds, other financial instruments, but spefically investments in industrial plants and equipment), government spending, and imports minus exports.

At what point in time were the gimmicks listed in Dr. Robert’s article instituted for the calculation of GDP?

They just keep changing the formulas that are used to measure everything from inflation, to unemployment, to EPS.

At what point do people wake up and say FU con artists and propagandists?!

Forget the EU, and USA! Join the FU!

@Ron Unz

Bombing US soil and framing innocent Muslims is certainly more corrupt, in addition to the false flag wars, which did exist back then, like the banana wars and opium wars, and the extreme abuses against Native Americans and African slaves, dating farther back.

The problem is that there are now so many more than there were in the past. They are a support group for tyranny, corruption, and abuse which is much larger than at the turn of the century followed by the Great Depression. It is not only larger, but more efficient in terms of crushing the opposition because of technological advances.

What a joke that the internet was supposed to empower everyone, when it has resulted in the censorship and surveillance of everyone!

Yup.
Pretty much agree.
The world wars are the bunker on which the big guns need to be aimed.

Even old-line main stream journalists acknowledge that FDR’s administration signified a radical change in US government; I call it a coup.
Everything after that is best understood in terms of US being under occupation.

Absolutely agree that the moon landing is of no consequence.

The assassinations — JFK and RFK especially; the targeting of USS Liberty; even 9/11 are symptoms — Occupiers Behaving Badly, to keep the Occupied in a heightened state of fear and compliance, but they are not the main event: WWI – II is the Main Event, the moment of the Coup; holocaust is its coverup.

If — rather, WHEN ** the holocaust bunker is stormed and Inconvenient History made known, Jewish / zionist people are going to feel pretty stupid for having stamped their brand on the World Wars and made them all about Jews:
True, Zionists played a major role — it may be the case that while other states were formed by war that wiped out the former inhabitants of the land, the war-based creation of no other state involved the destruction of millions of people and their infrastructure in numerous other states — but Jews were not the only very bad actors in that war: Anglos in USA, including East Coast Protestant clergy, as well as Churchill’s government, of course, played major roles and committed crimes the like of which required something as ghastly as the holocaust narrative to conceal them.
Karma being what it is, it may turn out that the Anglos involved up to their eyeballs in the world wars will scape-goat Jews!
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** The goyim know! Yahoo posted this article this morning:
Holocaust architect’s grave dug up in Berlin
https://www.yahoo.com/news/holocaust-architects-grave-dug-berlin-134240972.html
Comments suggest that Ron Unz may not have to wait for some respected person to take a stand: the hoi polloi are aware and aroused. Next step = organize.

As I listened to this podcast, my attention wandered off momentarily. When my focus came back, I thought I was listening to the movie ‘Dinner With Andre’.’ Since Ron Unz did not mention the fly in the cup of coffee left out overnight, I quickly regained my bearing.

Ron Unz: How the Truth Movement Can Win

For every news report/article or think tank white paper (etc) published that sows disinformation – alternative media needs to publish ten reports based upon factual analysis in rebuttal.

If propagandists publish ten articles/reports based on disinformation – alternative media needs to publish one hundred reports of factually based news analysis in rebuttal.

The battle of readers hearts/minds cannot be won via force of arms (ie coercion) rather it is a battle of ideas.

Alternative media needs to show propagandists ideology for what it truly is bankrupt/stillborn lies, omission, obfuscation based upon deception/coercion/fear.

Knowledge is truly power.

Win the battle of ideas and propagandists will dry up and wither upon the vine of their untenable lies.

Our media ethics code, and instructions to police, clearly prohibit telling the truth about minority crime and mishaps. Maybe someone tells this to the author and to Ron Unz. Details, and further links and proof in the sincerity.net site by clicking on my name

How? Hit them where it hurts! Their wallets, their narcisstic supply, and the ballot boxes!

Don’t expect a revolution from the mindless half wits that are wasting time and money to be brain-washed by pompous,narcissistic,fascist,controll freaks inflicting in behavior modification practices for thought conformity!

Truthers are disgusted with elitist snobs telling them what to think. It was elitist establishment approved and credentialed eltist snobs that got us into this. They certainly are not able or capable of getting us out of this mess. They are the mess!

Just multiply every hour that someone spent in school in their entire life by 3 to calculate the amount of time required for de-programming!

Regarding comment 28. previously posted by me, it is this type of eliticism that has destroyed America to the point where the problem is that people are believing it now more than ever, so much so that AOC, Sanders, and others now are saying that everyone must receive a free college education.

Of course it is not free, because the costs will be paid for by tax payers. A college education guarantees nothing other than an income for the universities, and a loss of money for the staudents, parents, governments, or any combination of the three.

Harvard cost $2,500 a year in 1964. The median average annual salary was about $7,000. University costs are out of control, and employers have frequently stated that graduates are not ready for college.

This type of elitism is as illogical and ridiculous as claiming that it is best not to use anything that runs on Windows, since Bill Gates was a college drop out.

There are intelligent people with degrees, but they are not the norm. They would have been just as intelligent had they not gone to college.

Actually, we did go to the moon.

Look at John Williams Shadowstats, He looks at, and strips out most of the gimmicks back to the Carter regime, the picture he paints far more accurately the world we live in, I think
Some stuff is free some subscription.
Ron would do well to have someone- Hudson? interview him

Their Conspirotainment value is good.

Very true. Great comment. And , besides which, being “impressed with reputable people with long careers and expertise presenting in-depth analysis,” is a MAJOR mistake , in my opinion.

Indeed, in the face of heaven, all thiefs and murderers have remorse. On top, needing a long career to get to the point of negation and abstention, is the sales argument of religious conversion. It goes for Ron Unz the same. He is just building another influence niche.

I think that it would have been truthier if this was entitled, ” How The Elite – (University Professors, Publishers, and Government Employees ) Can Win The Truth Movement.”

…onto the money you are. The cynicism does not escape us. Or “a guideline of alternative media into the twenty first century internet”, the use of meta instead of content as the IED(improvised explosive device) to exploit convention. Content is an empty coat-hanger these days. The when, how many, who, who not, not at all, or bashing, these are the tools to exploit. A-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-z-ed, mining and editing, promoting. Anything is adds(advertizing).

Hey dude, here’s a suggestion for you: why not sit down together with Unz and come up with a list of people who don’t “strike” either of you as “crackpots, con-men, or pathological liars” — you can go thru a list of names and do thumbs up, thumbs down on each of ’em.

When you’re done, post the agreed list of non-“crackpots, con-men, or pathological liars” here so we don’t waste any more of our time.

TIA

actually, that was Reinhard Heydrich’s grave,

violated by the local Holocaustianity mob.

but do let us know when a Rothschild gets it’s

monument tipped over.

Recently some of the young, just-returning-from-Afganistan soldiers, and our other wars also, are forming the equivalent of the old Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

The new movement should be getting more attention soon.

It will be quickly taken over by Trotskyites, the split when select Infantry are charged with murders on the Afghanistan battlefield.

Absolutely agree that the moon landing is of no consequence.

Do you think whether or not the “Deep State”, “Establishment”, “Military Industrial Complex”, etc, or whatever you may want to call it, might have the power to hoodwink America and the world about the moon landings is of some/any consequence?

What if some blockbuster revelations were to finally lay bare, for literally and absolutely everyone, that the moon landings were faked — would that be of “no consequence”?

Yes, the Apollo project was expensive, but regardless of whether we went to the moon or not, both the US and USSR developed ICBMs capable of wiping out all civilized life. And no matter how I stretch my imagination, I cannot possibly find a potential present day impact for the existence of so-called UFOs.

The non existence of UFO’s may mean the Fermi paradox’s resolution lies in the fact that no one in the Universe gets to reach other life forms by means of technology, because a certain level of technology inevitably means the end of the biological life form attaining it. Nukes are not an agent, so they can’t decide to bump off humanity and implement a cunning plan to do it. Artificial intelligence might become just such a destroyer of our world.

As such, a rational strategy is to focus on the historiography of the most consequential events, rather than every trivial point in history where the establishment lied, because the establishment lies constantly and we cannot get bogged down by the flurry of inconsequential nonsense.

If the West led by America goes to war with China, will that be because of lies told by the establishment? Maybe the official narrative gives reasons for the establishment of nation states doing things are subject to cognitive dissonance every bit as much as the inner stories we tell to ourselves as individuals are. Germany looked as though it could become a European hegemon, so America constructed a narrative, whereby years into the war stopping Germany suddenly became a moral imperative: twice. Rather obviously, America sat back while others did the heavy lifting but then fell over itself to come in when it looked like Germany might win. America and even its elites did not fully realize what it was doing and why, but which one of us does?

Once again, I would like to express my deepest gratitude for your articles and this website. It is no exaggeration to say that the Unz Review may well prove to be a watershed publication in guiding human history this century.

Quite possibly, but would subordination of political skullduggery to ethics lead us to a better world?

If we manage to awaken the public to the sheer corruption and treason committed by our elites, we may for the first time in human history have a chance break free of the tyranny of these despotic oligarchs.

Perhaps, but the tyranny of scarcity and necessity will remain. The deed accuses, but the result excuses.

@Genrick Yagoda,

“Paul Craig Roberts was formerly a highly respected individual, but he is now a “holocaust denier”. Wikipedia says so. So no one will take him seriously 🙂”

Someone should correct that to “highly respected holocaust denier”.

Experience tells us that as long as the media is in the hands of the enemy, any blunder they make will be easily papered over by their expert advisors. All wars have been boons for these behind the curtain scalawags with every reason to believe they have also been staged into existence.
I would recommend that if Mr Unz is serious about fighting the MSM, he and his friends with money give us an alternative to you tube, Facebook and Twitter where we can write our own rules of engagement. Unfortunately. a serious problem is what I call societies Jew addiction. Jews have basically told us how to act for a very long time hidden behind fancy names and isms that disguise the source of the messages

Right… and you are a respected commenter here at The Unz Review. LOL!