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Ron Rattner of writes: “Though I began this lifetime only praying rarely in organized religious programs, after years of evolutionary process I now instinctively pray constantly and spontaneously, with an unprecedented and all encompassing concept of ‘prayer’.”

Ron Rattner was brought up as a secular Jew, and became a mystic after a midlife crisis and spiritual awakening. After spending half of the first decade of the 21st century deep in prayer and meditation, Ron woke up one day, turned on the television set, saw Hannity fighting with some crazy conspiracy professor, researched 9/11, and discovered that it was an inside job. (Well, it wasn’t quite that simple, but you get the idea.)

So…Why do people in so many different cultures pray? Ron writes:

“Knowingly or unknowingly, consciously or subconsciously, no matter who or where we are, no matter our age, gender or culture, all humans share a universal and irresistible instinct and desire to return to a soul-remembered original state of Divine Love, Peace and Oneness – a transcendent state beyond words or thoughts, so marvelous that its subliminal memory magnetically attracts every sentient being to merge and be At-One with THAT.

“Self Realization of THAT to which we pray, and for which we deeply aspire, is our ultimate destiny.”


After the show, Ron wrote:

Thanks for the great Truth Jihad interview Kevin!

I have always respected you as a brave and principled person, especially because you’ve adamantly refused to be intimidated by Orwellian ad hominem attacks while you’ve long been unjustly blacklisted academically as an allegedly anti-semitic and heretic 9/11 truth teller, etc. etc.

In truth I regard you as a brilliant, articulate and highly qualified PhD professor, who can’t get a job in this insanely dystopian world. So today I immediately thought of you on reading this Socrates quote:

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.”
~ Socrates

Best wishes,

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Prayer – in the normal usage of the word – is just a manifestation of a psychological need for there to be some external force that will intercede to alter the pray-er’s timeline.

    To the extent that it furnishes a psychological placebo (‘comfort'[1]), it is still a 2-edged sword; it could placebo the individual into changing things themselves, or it could placebo them into thinking that their favourite superhero will save the day so they needn’t do anything.

    Mantras are OK: my favourite mantra when things aren’t working as expected is “Oh, for fuck’s sake“. But I have no expectation that a sky wizard will intercede to make MATLAB’s table functionality less retarded, or stop me from forgetting to put a fucking line terminator at the end of every line. (as always, the solution to both of those problems is Python: sometimes that’s not an option for legacy considerations).

    [1] Why would prayer furnish ‘comfort’? Anyone who carefully tabulated the results would notice immediately that the outcome of prayer is exactly in line with the probability distribution of the thing being prayed for. Pray for the will to behave yourself (until the next prayer for the same thing) – sure.

    Pray for little Billy’s amputated leg to grow back, or granny’s Alxheimers to abate, or someone’s pancreatic cancer to fuck off? Sorry, sport: your imaginary friend can’t help.

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  2. Gov’t and religion are the worlds two worst inventions. Many people have noticed that gov’t and religion support each other in keeping the population in constant fear. They are partners in deluding the masses as it requires constant propaganda to keep their scams going.

    Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

  3. Prayer is a form of worship to God. It is a means of communicating with God. Prayer is helpful to the person praying, it uplifts them and makes them closer to God. Prayer brings blessings to the person praying. We are urged to pray always.

  4. getaclue says:

    Maureen Digan and her Doctors would disagree with you: So would many, many others who have gone to Lourdes etc. –the fact a person is unaware of something that exists or is fanatically opposed to believing it doesn’t make it disappear or cease to exist.

  5. The inhabitants of the earth are of two sorts:
    Those with brains, but no religion,
    And those with religion, but no brains

    Abu al-ʿAlaʾ al-Maʿarri

  6. The fundamental premise of all religion is that there are unseen powers in the world that are responsible for what occurs within it. This hypothesis introduces the presupposition that there are exceptions to materialistic or physical causality. Hidden spiritual agencies are conjectured to be responsible for what occurs in nature. In seeking to explain natural phenomena whose causal mechanisms were not apparent, ancient peoples attributed them to animistic causes. Our ancestors theorized that other animals and even material objects possessed an inner consciousness just as humans do. They deduced this property was somehow separate from the physical body, as it could not be directly observed by them, and personified it in the form of noncorporeal beings. The ancients further postulated that such entities could be influenced to produce outcomes favorable to humans by adopting certain states of mind and stylized behaviors, i.e., prayer and religious ritual.

    Such magical, anthropocentric thinking is the natural state of pre-logical cultures. The theist’s problem today is that centuries of scientific investigation have not verified the existence of these entities. In the process, science has instead discovered the actual, purely physical explanations for the formerly inexplicable things that so baffled our ancestors. Science has not “proven” religion false, but science has convincingly demonstrated that the core suppositions underpinning religious faith are misunderstandings of the natural world and of the human place in it.

  7. @Kratoklastes

    There is actually a fairly extensive literature of controlled experimentation by non-religious-believers showing that prayer works. In some of these experiments, the people being prayed for didn’t know they were being prayed for, yet their outcomes were better than those who for whom no prayers were offered.

    I learned about this literature from my atheist/agnostic M.D.-Ph.D. brother who makes a living getting grants for double blind medical experiments on such issues as does echinacea help the common cold, etc. He is highly skeptical of all such claims. (He ran a big experiment that found no evidence that echinacea helps colds.) He was impressed by the scientific literature on the efficacy of prayer. His position was that according to the science, prayer does seem to work, but we don’t know how or why.

  8. Lin says:

    The main difference between praying and playing computer games.
    –In a computer game, one interacts with a piece of software and the presets may or may not be changed readily. Playing computer games is usually reflective because of its technical nature. The outcomes of the game depend on one’s skill and the presets. One draws mental satisfaction from the game.
    –During a prayer, one interacts one’s alt constructed self-image and the presets(like scriptures, interpretation, saints, prophets..)may or may not be changed readily. Praying is not reflexive either because of the circumstance(like pray for one’s good health) or the God/deities, real or constructed, don’t bother to answer one’s prayer. The outcomes of a prayer has no bearings on one’s skill and the presets. One draws mental satisfaction if the crowd cheer the praying leader.

  9. mongo says:

    prayers dont always get answerd and that in itself could be the answer….no in other words

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