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Ralph Cinque, founder of the Oswald Innocence Project, and writer and producer of My Stretch of Texas Ground, is a chiropractor and expert on nutrition, weight loss, and fasting. In this interview he questions whether the global medical establishment really understands the Covid-19 issue, arguing that the disease may not be as highly contagious, nor the tests as reliable, as conventional wisdom dictates. Are we blowing up our economy based on faulty data?

Dr. Cinque isn’t the only voice raising such questions. One of the world’s leading experts on epidemiology, Dr. John P.A. Ioannidis, recently made some of the same points. An excellent evidence-based article along similar lines by Aaron Ginn was recently suppressed by Medium.com.

 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Conspiracy Theories, Coronavirus, Disease 
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  1. Off the top of my head, I can think of twelve ultra-qualified medical and scientific experts who also believe this ‘Second Black Death’ is mostly hype:

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

  2. It will likely take years to know.

    Right now you make your choice and take your chance.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  3. MarkU says:

    Well that clinches it then. I mean if we can’t trust the opinion of a chiropractor on the subject of viruses and infectious diseases then who can we trust?

    What next? should we be canvassing the opinions of dentists, proctologists and paediatricians etc?

  4. I suspect it is not as bad as they say. Guy’s probably right. But I can’t afford to take chances. Absent real solid evidence. I’m staying as in as I can. I’d rather be wrong than infected.

  5. Whether dubious or not, Cuba is dealing with food shortages better than the US. There are no food shortages in Cuba. Because Cuba, and don’t tell me otherwise, has been deliberately food self-sufficient for a long time now. Because they are communists and they know what is important and what is not. Unlike most of you.

    • Replies: @Binks007
  6. Illbedang says:

    I’m a Trump Republican, all the rest of them are just republicans. The Demorats are just that, Demorats!
    They all want the old people to die. Well, that is those who are not wealthy or connected.
    Deaths are being under reported. They want to protect the Stawk Morkit.
    Old folks better wear a mask, gloves and stay inside and away from those grand chillin who are anxious to inherit their life time accumulation of goodies!

  7. Binks007 says:
    @obwandiyag

    You must be joking. A colleague of mine would wire money each month to his uncle trapped in Castro’s Cuba. He would get his monthly ration of beans and rice, not enough to survive on. The wired money would be partially confiscated by the government and corrupt officials along the way. The uncle had intestinal worms from eating out of dumpsters and trash receptacles. Yeah, Great system and wonderful healthcare. You probably should wait on that “real solid evidence” before you proclaim Cuba the bread basket of the Caribbean. With 17 Federal food programs, food stamps, food banks everywhere, school breakfast, lunch and dinner programs +laundry programs – Who the heck is hungry in the US? Half the country is obese!

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  8. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you for posting the link to Dr. Ioannidis’ article!! I had bookmarked it, then went back to print it as a .pdf…only to find that it had been removed!

    Much obliged.

  9. Getaclue says:
    @another fred

    ? Seems the “choice” is being made for us right now– nuke the Economy over something based on fake numbers — this guy should be arrested for Economic Terrorism? (The head of WHO did about the same to gin up the hysteria — throw him in too? Maybe Bill Gates too– his fingerprints are all over this…): https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/the-scientist-whose-doomsday-pandemic-model-predicted-armageddon-just-walked-back-the-apocalyptic-predictions/

  10. polistra says:

    You don’t even need to question the official data. Just look at the official data intelligently. Understand proportions and percentages, understand modularity, understand how viruses and immunity really work. The official data for USA shows a much less drastic picture than the media paints.

    Italy is a different story, because Italy failed to control its borders. Salvini had tried, but he was kicked out last year and the new government went all in with openness.

    • Replies: @U-turn
    , @Kratoklastes
  11. @MarkU

    The opinions of fast food cashiers is more likely to be trustworthy than the opinions of anyone with an agenda to push. The agenda pushers are easy to spot; they’re the ones allowed on TV news outlets.

    • Agree: gsjackson
  12. @Binks007

    You’re just a typical troll liar, that’s all. Everybody knows that Cuba is food self-sufficent (and you don’t know what that means because you are too stupid) and the US is not. Your answer shows your mental retardation. Seek help.

  13. U-turn says:
    @polistra

    Here is an article by John Rappaport reviewing the official data and comparing the numbers for the ordinary flu vs. COV.

    It exposes the decrees for placing the global population under house arrert and destroying the economies as being something other than a “medical necessity”.

    Corona: the case number game
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/26/corona-the-case-number-game/

    • Thanks: Twodees Partain
  14. The CDC’s coronavirus data simply doesn’t ‘hang together’:
    • one page (Cases in U.S. ) says that the total number of cases in the US was 85,356 at 4pm on March 26th;
    • a second page (Testing in U.S.) says that there had only been ~112k tests performed at 4pm on March 26th – for a cases/tests ratio of a little under 75.8%.

    Nobody believes that the infection rate is anywhere near that high at this stage: if it was, there would be absolutely no point in any attempts at countermeasures.

    By stark contrast, this privately-run data aggregator shows that the total tested is over half a million higher (626,667), with 99,447 ‘positives’ and 527,220 ‘negatives’ [1] as of last night – which gives a cases/tests ratio of 15.9% (still an overestimate given the low quality of the test, the fact that US is using an over-predicting test on selectively high-probability patients… which defeats the purpose of the test as an analytical tool).

    So funny that Yanks were pointing the finger at China’s early data reporting, when the US’s peak disease-control bureaucrats are too busy posturing on TV to get their data squared away.

    .

    [1] ‘yeah-right’ quotes around ‘positives’ and ‘negatives’ because the test is diabolically inaccurate.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  15. SafeNow says:

    “The opinions of fast food cashiers is more likely to be trustworthy than the opinions of anyone with an agenda to push.”

    Similarly, suppose a random commenter on this website had been the U.S. President when this started 2+ months ago. And, a random group of commenters had comprised the U.S. Congress. Where would we be today? Incomparably better off. A zillion test kits, masks, and ventilators. Lives saved, the economy intact.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  16. @polistra

    Italy is a different story, because Italy uses a very inclusive definition of ‘covid death’ (if you died with covid, not of it, you’re still in the count.

    FIFYA.

    “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus […] On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,”

    Source: Off-Guardian (citing Italy’s health authorities)

    Note that if coronavirus was the actual cause of death for only 12% of Italian victims, then the reported ‘corona deaths’ number is 833% of the valid number. That’s significantly worse than the ‘out by 88%’ mentioned by Off-Guardian, because Off-Guardian used the wrong denominator.

    Do the arithmetic yourself: if a number is actually 12, but is reported as 100, then the reported number is 100/12 = 8.33× the actual number, which is 833%.

    The error is 88/12 = = 7.33×, or 733%.

    Which ever way you slice it, it’s more than 88%.

  17. “Data” is perhaps the wrong word.

    Politics and fear dominate every single aspect of this matter.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  18. All we need is an actuary to tell us what the excess deaths are in Italy. This idea that we can rely on these people enumerating the CV fatalities who have every incentive to minimize the numbers. After all, if the numbers were double or triple what they are reporting, people would be more agitated, harder to control.

    • Replies: @Catdomnj
  19. @Kratoklastes

    Too bad the official data isn’t right about 75% of the population being infected. That would mean it’s vastly less lethal than we thought, and that we’d reached herd immunity and could stop worrying about it spreading any further.

  20. Catdomnj says:
    @GazaPlanet

    On average 11k die every week in Italy. (any cause)
    On average over 1k of them die of the flu. (not Corona)
    These past couple weeks over 1k are dying while testing positive for covid19.
    The daily Corona death totals from Italy aren’t necessarily dying FROM COVID, they’re the number of dying while positive for Corona. (90% of those are over 70 yrs old)
    So in reality Italy currently, is indeed, actually overstating the true number of Corona victims as it is. This without the agitation or the harder to control populace that you fear.

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
  21. In other news, the Finance Minister of the German stage of Hesse may be another victim of corona-chan – it’s not entirely clear that it was covid19, or won’t be until tests are complete.

    There’s been some delay in testing, due to problems of scraping a large enough sample off his genetic material off the train tracks (and the undercarriage of the train, I assume).

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  22. @Catdomnj

    That can’t account for the obvious evidence of excess death occurring, and the testimony to that effect from the local mayors of the towns there.

  23. Alvin says:

    Kevin,

    On separate issue, I really enjoyed listening to your guest Joshua Blakeney the few times you interviewed him. Does he have his own website or blog or anything? It seems like he’s fallen off the map the past few years.

    BTW, I agree this is total over-reaction to a problem that appears no worse than annual flu or H1N1, based on the available data. The damage to economy may be greater in the short and long run than deaths of mainly elderly people who have other chronic conditions.

    Thanks, and really enjoy your content and opinions.

    Alvin

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  24. @MarkU

    I would sooner trust a chiropractor on this than any “in the bag for big pharma, or else”, MD.

  25. @SafeNow

    My sentiments exactly. With the site owner and several of the most prolific writers here taking the government officials at their word, it’s nice to see that some of the readers aren’t buying it.

  26. @John Chuckman

    That’s a good point. Data is very hard to come by and is nowhere to be found in the MSM coverage.

  27. @Alvin

    Joshua Blakeney retired from alternative media several years ago due to financial issues. He is working an ordinary job now and supporting his family.

    • Replies: @Alvin
  28. The credulous and ignorant among us desperately want to trust Fauci, Birx, et al. They haven’t put their faith in Agent Orange, who, at any rate, looks a bit perplexed himself. The problem is, these sheep want to force everyone else to participate in their delusions! They experience the mere existence of an informed, intelligent skeptic as a silent condemnation and exposure of their own stupidity – which, of course, it is.

  29. Alvin says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin,

    Thank you for the update on Joshua. Hope he is doing well, though it is sad to lose him on these issues. He was a good reporter and had some unique insights on Japan, Jews, WWII, Germany, and indigenous people, among other topics. I also liked that he didn’t buy into the muslim-bashing from so many on the alt-right, and imagined a Christian-Muslim alliance based on shared values and, more importantly, as a bulwark to Jewish power.

    Again, I appreciate all the work you do Kevin.

    Thanks,

    Alvin

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