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At age 95 John Cobb continues to be one of the world’s most important thinkers. The leading light in process philosophy/theology, he has authored over 40 books and edited 16 more (including 9/11 and American Empire v.2, which I co-edited).

In this interview John Cobb argues that our civilization is failing because it accepted the wrong set of ideas—among them Cartesian/Kantian dualism and materialism—a few centuries ago. Some quotes from this interview:

“The (coronavirus) plague has a possibility of waking people up and moving them in the direction that might make future crises less destructive then they otherwise would be….(but) we won’t solve our problems unless we change — unless we give up modern philosophy and modern ways of thinking.”

“If we know that the purpose of being educated is to be socialized into operating on the world in a certain way without asking any questions about what the world is, then universities can survive for a long time. And if anybody ever asks, well, what’s the use of universities? Oh, you get a better job if you go to one. OK, that’s all that’s left. And it’s ceasing to be true. So I think that the universities are committing suicide. I just hope they go through with that before the whole world goes down with them.”

“The banks want to be completely free to make money. And when they make money they pocket it. When they lose money, the government bails them out. This isn’t capitalism or any recognizable -ism, it’s just the power of the banks. So it’s clear who runs the country. But in spite of all of this, they’re collapsing. And the financial collapse is what is being postponed as long as usual. The virus gave them a chance to give a few more trillion to the banks, which I think is shameful.”

“The willingness to just increase the number of deaths in other countries in order to make people miserable enough to bow before us is a sad sign of the level of morality in American imperialist circles.”

“I consider The New York Times as the most damaging source of news in this country, because so many thoughtful, well-meaning, honorable people think if it’s in The New York Times, it must be true. I’ve been astonished to find that kind of New York Times fundamentalism among my friends. I mean, these are the good people! But The New York Times belongs to Wall Street. So as long as Wall Street can control all the propaganda and as long as Americans think they are getting wise and just and liberal views from that propaganda, the control of our minds is very deep.”

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Coronavirus, Philosophy, Wall Street 
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  1. Anonymous[429] • Disclaimer says:

    Easy enough to say that our Modern way of thinking must be changed if we are to survive. Doing it is another matter. The failure of logic and mathematics to find a foundation beyond statements like Piano’s Postulates led to the failure of belief that logic and mathematics were useful. So did large scale application of logic and mathematics to kill a rather large number of people in WW I and WW II. The lesson gathered was that logic and mathematics killed rather than kept alive.
    And this lesson was gathered as the relation between logic/mathematics and reality was demonstrated by the applicability of mathematical games to real physical phenomena and the increasing dependence of a growing world population on engineering and science (now called “technology”, another word for “subhumans making things because that’s all they can do, or sometimes a synonym for “magic”).
    And so far, nobody can put the above parts together. The world is getting mystified into “racism” and “fundamental sin”, with all else forgotten. Postmodernism simply stays the world is struggle, and _that the losers are ipso facto the most virtuous, and to date there is no serious attempt to refute Postmodernism, and no serious interest in refuting it, either.

    So, nice to say that it would be nice to change our modern way of thinking (and not to post-modern thinking either), but, well, I think it would be nice to have a bowl of ice cream. Both “nice” hopes make about the same amount of difference.

    It’s yet another sign that we’re due for a major change.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @boomerdoomer
  2. Adûnâi says:
    @Anonymous

    > “The failure of logic and mathematics to find a foundation beyond statements like Piano’s Postulates led to the failure of belief that logic and mathematics were useful. So did large scale application of logic and mathematics to kill a rather large number of people in WW I and WW II. The lesson gathered was that logic and mathematics killed rather than kept alive.”

    The hatred of killing is a Christian construct. The contempt for Nature. The tragedy of the Aryan race is that they failed to throw off the shackles of Christianity. Darwin came after the Industrial Revolution. Hitler came after the Great War. All too little and too late.

    The Europe of 1880-1945 was on the correct path (“the right track”, as moderns would say). Scientific racism. The conquest of the planet. The talk about eugenics, about killing the weak and the feeble-minded, and of breeding the strong and the beautiful. Then the fratricidal War came, and the swarthy cheered, and the Aryans killed their best when they themselves were mortally poisoned.

    And die they did. When the last great Aryan Hitler miscalculated on the rot in the soul of the Anglo, gambled everything in a war and lost.

    And die they did, both the empire of Russia in 1991 and the homosexual-Negro empire of the Occident in the 21st century. No shot fired. Just the final maddening relapse of suicidal Christian brotherhood of man, of rejection of Nature and of the hatred of killing. Axiology decides!

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  3. Jamie_NYC says:

    The banks want to be completely free to make money. And when they make money they pocket it. When they lose money, the government bails them out.

    This guy is a total idiot, meaning that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. The banks repaid all the money that they took (some of them were forced to take it), with interest. That’s a fact. I’m not arguing a moral point, he simply is not familiar with plain facts about what’s going on in the world.

  4. romar says:
    @Jamie_NYC

    Hello, good and faithful reader of the NYT, and dedicated swallower of its “wise and just and liberal views!”
    Good for you!
    And do please go on labeling an idiot, anyone who does not follow the gospel according to St Wall Street. Call them heretical, and shout out for the stake!
    Or rather, let them be hanged, drawn and quartered for defaming our dear banks and corporations – such caring, motherly institutions, to which we must sing matins, lauds and vespers…

  5. @Jamie_NYC

    I will do you the courtesy of assuming you’ve been taken in by another of the “big lies”.
    Yes you are correct that in large part the original TARP money was paid back — BUT :
    (from Forbes)

    “After the original $700 billion bailout, the ongoing bailout was kept very secret because Chairman Ben Bernanke, argued that revealing borrower details would create a stigma — investors and counterparties would shun firms that used the central bank as lender of last resort. In fact, $7.7 trillion of the secret emergency lending was only disclosed to the public after Congress forced a one-time audit of the Federal Reserve in November of 2011. After the audit the public found out the bailout was in trillions not billions; and that there were no requirements attached to the bailout money – the banks could use it for any purpose.”

  6. Dumbo says:
    @Adûnâi

    “Aryans” and pro-Aryans are idiots, and this is yet more proof. Hitler was a failure and it’s depressing that he’s still idolized by so many. Nature would be psychopathic if it had a personality, but it hasn’t. It’s just neutral. There’s nothing to idolize in it. It’s not a God. It doesn’t teach anything. You are a retard and “feeble minded”. Go kill ants or something. Goodbye.

  7. @Anonymous

    My spouse and I have changed our way of living. It has to be an individual thing as most love the bread and circus show that is modern living. Does anyone else find the lucidness of this 95-year-old to be remarkable? Compare his sentence structure with that of Joe Biden.

  8. Dithers says:

    How wonderful to see that John Cobbs is still alive and well, and still as sharp and thoughtful as ever. I recall meeting him about 47 or 48 years ago in Honolulu, in perhaps late 1972 and 1973. At the time, I believe, he was there on sabbatical and attended a Congregationalist church (U.C.C.) near the University of Hawaii. I was still a young man at the time and had only recently come to Hawaii. He was as I recall an excellent listener and more inclined to ask stimulating questions than to vaunt his own views.

  9. @Jamie_NYC

    The flaw in your argument is its failure to appreciate the significance of banks being able to create money by creating loans.

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