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First hour: Australian New World Order researcher Peter Myers has just published “Pope Francis blesses Pachamama – a slide into paganism?” The article is reprinted below.

Second hour: Rolf Lindgren, a former Libertarian activist, managed the 2008 Barrett for Congress campaign. Now he is a Trump-lovin’ Republican. Get ready for the latest on the “NWO conspiracy to reverse the results of the 2016 election.”

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  1. Catholic Church has been a fusion of Hellenic Paganism and Hereto-Hebraic Monotheism. Later, some Germanic pagan elements were added.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  2. “In the beginning was the Word….” John 1:1

    Pachamama is no more God than Dalai Lama.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  3. Dumbo says:
    @Priss Factor

    Well, that’s why I personally like Catholicism. It iss a sum of several different good elements into one organic whole. Like the Trinity, in a way. Well, it was, until Vatican II, I suppose.

    By the way, is it a coincidence that Vatican II, immigration law changes, and radical changes in culture (drugs and sex) happened basically at the same time in that strange decade, the 60s? I wonder how this will be seen a thousand years from now.

  4. Don’t know if he turned pagan, but sure is a faggot

  5. Pope allegedly denies Jesus’ bodily resurrection.
    If true, sadly amounts to theological vivisection.

  6. Trumped by the religion of Consumerism, Catholicism is sweating for anything to get back some of it´s influence. The times are changing, there is a downwards mobility in the West. That is the only chance the Vatican has to regain some kind of authority, wealth and needed recruits of quality.

    • Agree: jim jones
  7. Bergoglio relativizes the Christian faith.
    He thereby makes true and living God a lonely wraith.

  8. Paganism is any faith – that which aims to be a complete explanation for this experience – that places the core of its explanation in the sphere of the metaphysical, in other words that which is axiomatically designated as beyond direct verification by the scientific method of observation/measurement.

    Any faith that puts inferred knowledge above direct observation is pagan. A belief in God can only be an inferred truth because the scientific method of observation/measurement requires an observer and an observed – it depends upon a duality.

    Once a mind heads to that level of abstraction and objectification (read materialism, although imo this is the final step for any life form to achieve full abstract thinking, and so Aristotle’s definition of Man (a being with access to reason)), so as to try and sum up every-thing as One, positively stated, united construct, its confirmation through direct observation becomes a practical impossibility – you need an observer, but there ‘is’ only ‘nothing’ beyond All.

    If a tree falls in space-time, and there is no quantum observer to sense it, is its fall felt? The question is nonsensical: because there is no scientific set up that can disprove the hypothesis, as you can never design an appropriate experiment to test the hypothesis based on direct observation. At best one can create an ideology of ‘yes’ or ‘no’ from the inferred knowledge about trees falling around observers, but that actually isn’t even a related issue!

    So, practically speaking, all faiths (nihilism included), other than the faith in the scientific method (verifiable), and the Buddha’s Dhamma (defined as verifiable in the here and now by the wise), are pagan.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  9. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Pachamama is no more God than Dalai Lama.

    But, the man called Jesus Christ(pbuh) is… god? Why, because the man called John said so?

    Compare that with Islam, which says, Allah (which simply means God) is God, and the only One who is God.

    Which of this makes logical sense, and which is hearsay?

  10. The post-Vatican II vatican is modernist and now pagan
    Catholic saints have always destroyed pagan idols. St Boniface chopped down a tree that was dedicated to Thor. This converted the people and they became a great civilization. Now Europe is slipping back into paganism, and so is the pope.
    This latest synod has incorporated all the teachings of the UN on population control, which means contraception and abortion. This is not Catholic. Worshiping idols is displacing Jesus, who is the King of all the Universe.
    Our Lady of Fatima prophescied that Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist.
    I cannot think of a more blatant example than this latest synod.
    God will judge the world for our sinful behavior. The sin of abortion cries out to heaven for vengeance.
    Turn away from sin and reform your life before the day of judgment.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  11. dimples says:

    Either, it depends on what the supernatural wants. Supernatural here meaning higher realm in psycho-physical space.

  12. Dumbo says:

    Actually, Islam makes less sense by your own logic, since a lot of things in Islam are just because “a guy named Mohammed said so”. And we have only the testimony of Mohammed, while Jesus has the testimony of several other people.

    And why would Islam make more sense than, say, Judaism, or any other monotheistic faith?

    Honestly I don’t understand westerners like Kevin Barrett who convert to Islam. To me they are rejecting their own history and as such they are barely better than the progressive suicide cultists. They are helping to destroy Europe.

  13. The description refers to two hours of program, but the audio is only one. I thought maybe the second would play automatically if you played the end of the first, but that is not the case. So, perhaps you need two audio strips?

    Also the link to “Truth Jihad” in the “Republished from…” line go to “page could not be found”. The content at the alternative seems to be paywalled.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  14. @Dumbo

    Honestly I don’t understand westerners like Kevin Barrett who convert to Islam.

    I am mystified whenever highly intelligent people (and I am confident Kevin is one) believe in _any_ religion.

    Terence McKenna beautifully described all organized religions as “thin gruel”.

    At this point I will just take allies wherever I can find them, even if they believe in alien reptilians. 😉

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  15. @anonymous

    If logic is the criterion of religion,
    Then Mr. Spock may be the only believer.

    Wittgenstein, a preeminent logician, abandoned logic as the basis of religion.

    For me a deciding question has been,
    Which faith bears the testimony of
    Him who rose from the dead?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  16. Dumbo says:

    Part of religion is individual (what you believe) and part is collective (what your society practices, what you grew up with). Even if you are not a practicing believer, you usually have a certain attachment to your traditional cultural practices. So I guess that’s why for me strange to see Western Europeans or euro-descendants converting to Islam or to other non-western religions.

    I’m a Catholic, and even during my atheist phase, I was always a Catholic atheist. 😀 Of course, now Islam is more and more present in the West, so there’s that. To me it is still alien.

    But from a more theological point of view, I think that Christianity is miles away from any other religion. There’s nothing else like it. There will never be.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  17. @Ilya G Poimandres

    If your assertion was correct, it wouldn’t have taken 300 words to present it.

  18. @Dumbo


    “One Lord, one faith, one baptism.”

    Light of the world.

  19. @Christopher Marlowe

    “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.”

    One wonders, might the unborn judge the world?

  20. @Justvisiting

    What could be more intelligent than the search for God?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  21. @SeekerofthePresence

    What could be more intelligent than the search for God?

    It is the folks that claim to have found God that concern me. 😉

    We humans are such an arrogant lot…..

  22. @Dumbo

    Those who exclude Islam from “the West” are the ones rejecting their own history.

    European culture is a mix of Middle Eastern monotheism and classical Greco-Roman culture. The correct version of Middle Eastern monotheism, and corrected version of Christianity, is Islam; and it was through Islamicate civilization that the barbarians on the northwestern fringes of Eurasia rediscovered classical culture.

    The Enlightenment, the source of modern Western culture, was heavily influenced by Islam. The real American religion is Emerson and Thoreau’s Unitarianism, which is in essence de-ritualized Islam.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Dumbo
    , @sarz
  23. Jake says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Some reply you have here.

    it was through Islamicate civilization that the barbarians on the northwestern fringes of Eurasia rediscovered classical culture.” – a load of bunk, which thanks to the gross ignorance of today likely makes sense to many people.

    The Enlightenment, the source of modern Western culture, was heavily influenced by Islam. The real American religion is Emerson and Thoreau’s Unitarianism, which is in essence de-ritualized Islam.” – that is all basically true, but it does not mean what you think it means. The Enlightenment may be seen as the Reformation on steroids, in that it also was an agent to murder Christendom, which made it an ally of both Mohammedanism and Rabbinic Judaism. Unitarianism is a philosophy that fits very nicely, at times perfectly, with both Mohammedanism and Rabbinic Judaism, and it was/is the philosophy of more Yank WASPs than Emerson.

    Yes, America, like the WASP UK, is anti-Christendom and therefore pro-Semitic, particularly pro-Jewish (Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy) but also increasingly pro-Sunni Arabic, most particularly pro-Saudi. And we are seeing the Hellish end results of that heresy playing out.

    Islam in origin is a largely Gnostic Christian heresy, mixed with largely Gnostic Jewish ideas, and formatted to be acceptable to Arabs. Like a shark, Islam either moves and kills and eats perpetually or dies. It is as much quintessential Semitism as is Pharisaic Judaism.

  24. kikz says:

    fishhat pope goes pagan????????????????????????

    what an absurd claim…….. pagans actually give a shit about their own people and their own lands.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  25. Dumbo says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    and it was through Islamicate civilization that the barbarians on the northwestern fringes of Eurasia rediscovered classical culture.

    This is, I believe, largely a myth. While some Arab translators deserve respect for having translated Aristotle etc and so help to repopularize them, the Byzantine empire kept intact a lot of materials from classical antiquity, and they came mostly from there to the West, but even in Medieval Western Europe several texts from classical antiquity were kept as well. In fact, many of the “lost” works were not really “lost”, just untranslated or not easily available to most people. Of course a lot was lost too, but that was in a way unavoidable.

    As for American Unitarianism, I don’t know enough about it to reply, but I’m not a fan of Unitarianism or of the American Revolutionaries Masonic ideals.

    I guess each one is free to understand things as they want (didn’t René Guenon also convert to Islam? I never understood that, but I’m not a follower of his esoterism either); to me Islam is an alien religion and I wish there weren’t so many Muslims in Europe already. Muslim lands are very large, too large I’d say.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  26. Dumbo says:

    But in this case the paganism he helped promote is not European but from the Peruvian “Pachamama” religion. On the other hand, Bergoglio was born in Latin America, so maybe for him it has a nationalist aspect…

  27. sarz says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Hi Kevin

    “De-ritualized Islam” — I wonder what rituals you have in mind.

    Good to see Emerson’s name. Yours is the only mention I have seen in years. And yet at last mid-century he was thought of by cultivated Americans as marking the high point of American civilization. That was, BJTO, before the judaic takeover.

    Emerson himself used Hinduism to talk of the basics. The Oversoul.

    Hinduism is but a memory in the land of its birth, replaced by the satanic primitive religion of Hindutvuism. Traditional Hinduism was so broad in bridging different religions that Mircea Eliade took Hinduism as comparative religion itself. Alas, its downfall was due to the absence of the concept of shirk (the Islamic term).

    Shirk is the concept you and Peter Myers need, to discuss where the pope might be headed.

    The concept of paganism is too vague to carry you very far.

    And you both need to explore the metaphysics of sacrifice. Start with meditation on the figure of Chinnamasta. That is a diagram of reality you need to figure out. Google Chinnamasta/images.

  28. @Gandydancer

    I always post a description of the live two-hour show at first. Then when I archive the show I divide it into two separate hours. In this case I didn’t get the description fixed in time. Sorry! In any case, all shows become available here at Unz, and also at where the paywall comes down 72 hours after the show is posted.

  29. @Dumbo

    It’s true that Byzantium, like al-Andalus and other centers of Islamicate civilization, was a source of the classical texts that sparked the European Renaissance. But Islamicate civilization, stretching from Iberia to China and dominating the “world system” of economic and intellectual exchange, was vastly larger and to some extent encompassed and included Byzantium as one of its minor component parts.

    Additionally, Eastern Christianity always coexisted with Islam, with vibrant Christian communities existing throughout much of the Islamic heartland under Muslim protection. Christian scholars engaged in constant cultural exchange with their Muslim counterparts. So Byzantium was a small outpost of the larger Islamicate world system in which classical civilization continued and developed, while Western Europe collapsed into barbarism.

    For the big picture on Islamicate civilization, read Marshall Hodgson, the best Western writer on the topic.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  30. @Kevin Barrett

    It seems the collapse into barbarism resumes in both Europe and America. As Yeats says, the center cannot hold. Many have lost their religious faith. Material existence is the only existence. God is a prosperity butler. The highest good is conceived as a beer and hot dog at the football game. Literature has become like the barking of a chihuahua. The courts and government are politicized and weaponized. Diplomacy is construed as war. Truculence is the order of the day. Leprosy is potentially coming to major cities like Los Angeles. A fitting denouement, since the face of the West is now that of Dorian Gray.

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