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Dr. Peter Chojnowski of SisterLucyTruth.org argues that Sister Lucy, who received the Fatima revelations and served as their primary transmitter to the world, was “disappeared” and replaced with an imposter circa 1960 (an issue we covered in our previous interview). Tonight we discuss the meaning of the Fatima apparitions in relation to current events including the war in Ukraine.

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Christianity, Russia, Ukraine 
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  1. Zimriel says:

    What do you care, Moslem?

    • Replies: @Al Ross
    , @KenR
    , @GenFranco
  2. Al Ross says:

    It is interesting that the much venerated mother of the Jewish deity made an unscheduled appearance to an audience of illiterate Iberian peasant children instead of , say, a couple of Oxbridge Professors of Divinity on a walking holiday in Portugal.

    • Agree: RVBlake, PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  3. Al Ross says:
    @Zimriel

    Because Fatima is a Muslim name, perhaps ?

  4. KenR says:
    @Zimriel

    C’mon. Mary figures in the Koran where she even has her own sura. To be honest, Muslims revere her more than most Protestants these days.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  5. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    From the revelation Our Lady of Akita to Japanese nun Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa:

    “…if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity…The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead…”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita

    Wipe out more of humanity than The Flood in Genesis. And not by flooding but “fire from the sky”? Hmmm, I wonder how that could be? 🤔

    • Replies: @James of Africa
  6. anonymous[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Hello Kevin this is OT but very much in your line

    The ‘monkeypox’ outbreak was ‘predicted’ right out in the open as a plague beginning in May 2022, on page 10 of a November 2021 report issued by NTI – ‘Nuclear Threat Initiative’, after a Munich Security Conference in March 2021, the pox of course in a ‘gaming simulation’ scenario

    Funded by the ‘Open Philanthropy Project’ of Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz, his wife Cari Tuna, Elie Hassenfeld, Holden Karnofsky, Alexander Berger, and Divesh Makan.

    see page 10 especially here
    https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NTI_Paper_BIO-TTX_Final.pdf

    https://www.openphilanthropy.org/about/who-we-are

    Here is a screenshot of p. 10 of that 2021 NTI report with a ‘scenario’ of a global monkeypox ‘attack’ beginning in May 2022

    • Thanks: Kevin Barrett
    • Replies: @James of Africa
  7. GenFranco says:
    @Zimriel

    Why are you so triggered by a Muslim who cares about the Blessed Virgin Mary? Mary is revered in Islam.

    Is this a protestant, pagan, or jewish temper tantrum?

  8. Purple says:

    Shame on you, every time you have him on the show… He’s got cut off. Shame on you for not being prepared and preventing this happened again and again.

  9. I suspect that the girls found some shepherd’s home brew, and when found shickered, dreamed up a nice little fable to escape parental wrath.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
    , @GenFranco
  10. @mulga mumblebrain

    Of course. And Lucy was so emotionally moved by her first experience of being “schickered” that she decided to become a nun for the rest of her life.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  11. @Anonymous

    I’m not religious, but that seems pretty fair actually. Considering the harm we do, it’s not such a radical idea that we may face some form of consequence. I may be more god-fearing than I realize! I always felt that we grow upwards and downwards at the same time. As our ability to do good improves, there seems to be a corresponding growth in our capacity for evil.

  12. @anonymous

    Dammit! Batflu is old hat, cool kids get the latest diseases. The monkeypox is where it’s at, daddy-o! Don’t be a square, maan!

  13. @Al Ross

    Yes, I’ve always believed that is very interesting.

    I think this is interesting also:

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
    For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength. Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are, so that all flesh may not boast before God. It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption.

    – -1 Corinthians 1:18-31 (Berean Study Bible)

    Just saying.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  14. The late black comedian (and civil rights activist) Godfrey Cambridge said that history had got it all wrong about Muhammed’s wife “Fatima.” She was actually a big ole cullud gal name Fat Emma.

    Look up his movie “Cotton Comes to Harlem”, a comedy from the days when people weren’t so hysterical about skin pigment & privileges

  15. GenFranco says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Yeah…that doesn’t even fit with what we know about those events from secular sources. But hey, that’s sort of your thing: getting it wrong and not caring about the actual facts.

  16. @GenFranco

    GenFranco wrote to mulga mumblebrain:

    Yeah…that doesn’t even fit with what we know about those events from secular sources.

    What we do know is that the sun did not really go shooting around the sky — because, you see, it is the same sun seen in Fatima, in London, in Casablanca, in Lagos, etc.

    The oddest thing about the supposed miracle of Fatima is how rarely that simple fact comes up in discussions of the matter.

    Another bizarre fact: if Jesus or Mary had told the working-class followers of Jesus that Mary got pregnant out of wedlock… but, wait — it’s not what you think! It was a virginal conception! — what would those working-class guys have thought? Really?

    From which one can conclude that the story came into existence some decades later (a conclusion also drawn from the scholarly dating of Mt. and Lk. vs. Mk. and the Pauline epistles, of course).

    Funny how allegedly sane adults have trouble drawing obvious conclusions!

  17. @Dave Bowman

    Dave Bowman quoted from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians:

    Not many of you were wise by human standards…

    “Not wise” is diplomatic.

    According to Paul’s testimony, the early Christians, including Paul himself (1 Corinthians 14:18) spoke in tongues — and took seriously those who “interpreted” the speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 12: 7-10)!

    And Paul himself believed he had been taken up into the “third heaven” (2 Corinthians 12:2).

    As Paul himself admitted (1 Corinthians 14:23):

    If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

    Yeah, because they were.

    The early Christians were, by any reasonable standard, nutjob cultists, the kind of people that normal middle-class people today would really rather not have in their neighborhood.

    The passage of time has made all this ancient history seem acceptable, merely because no one really thinks through what those guys were really like. The craziness has all been nicely domesticated and made fit for middle-class suburban living.

    And yet the truth about those guys is still there in Paul’s own letters.

    The most bizarre thing about Christianity is that sane people actually discuss whether or not it is true.

    Instead of just laughing and laughing and laughing…

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  18. @GenFranco

    How are things in Octopus Dei these days, old boy. Have you done your daily self-flagellation (NOT that one!) yet?

  19. I’m glad these guys are addressing the really important issues.

  20. @KenR

    The Quran says Jesus’s first miracle was when he spoke from the cradle to defend his mother against the calumnies of the Jews.

    • Replies: @Al Ross
  21. G. Poulin says:

    No Catholic is obliged, as a condition of membership, to believe anything about the events in Fatima. It’s just some claims made by some children. You can take it or leave it. Not De Fide, as they say.

  22. Al Ross says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    The “Fathers of the Church” decided not to include in the Bible accounts of Jesus’s childhood miracles and this may be seen as a theological error .

    After all , when one believes in the ability of donkeys to converse ( the tall tale of Balaam’s Ass ) why strain at the infant miracle gnat?

  23. Cerebus says:

    Fátima – The name of the town and parish is a rendition of the Arabic given name Fátima (فاطمة Fāṭimah). (Fatimah is the namesake of Fatimah bint Muhammad, the daughter of the prophet of Islam Muhammad.)

  24. The third message of Fatima is not about war nor about natural catastrophes : the latter are covered by the second message which talks about three world wars of increasing intensity to be waged by Russia, then Germany, then America, together with natural cataclysms if people don’t repent. The third message of Fatima was about the Great Apostasy of the Church to come and the date when that particular cataclysm would be clear to eyes opened and unfold shortly was 1960. Religious people were so concerned with WWIII, Soviet Russia and the real possibility of nuclear war, that very few would be heard about was really at hand, the transformation of the Catholic Church into an American Protestant sect promoting Liberalism. The chastisement for such a sin would be the conquest of all formerly Christian European countries, with the exception of Portugal and Portuguese culture countries, by Islam. Hence the choice of Fatima for the name of the place.

    One can understand why such a message was to be censored so forcefully by the Vatican II Church which was denounced as the culprit right at the date (1960) it would engage in a theological sin of such historical magnitude. From that date on sacraments would no longer operate, the people canonized would no longer be saints, theological truths would no longer be taught, and the church body would align with Israel, thereby ending with its very raison d’être which was preventing the Jewish establishment to have their ways. It must be noted that the message clearly stated that at that specific date (1960) there would remain no important non-Satanic leader in the whole world and even within the Church, which means that even figures such as Eisenhower, JFK (who was imposed against the US people’s will to play a decisive role in getting the Vatican II council through according to the requirements of the B’nai B’rith), de Gaulle, Churchill and Adenauer, were already on the dark side of that play. The Third secret also denounces America, Britain and France, and no longer Russia.

    • Replies: @Dimitri
  25. Al Ross says:

    We are all doomed by non European prognostications.

  26. Dimitri says:
    @Francis Miville

    Can one then assume the Catholic Church was strictly on the right side of history up to 1960? The handling of the Cathars, the templars, 869 (no reincarnation, no “second soul”), all thruthful? Necessary lies perhaps? Something else?

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