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Former MSM journalist Greg Felton discussses his new book SARS-COV2: Contagion, Collusion, Corruption. Greg writes: “Evidence that this virus was made in a laboratory is overwhelming and unimpeachable, yet the standard line is still that it came from nature despite the fact that every nature-based argument has collapsed.” He also questions the safety and efficacy of experimental vaccines:

“Now the virus has three proteins, a nucleocapsid protein, an envelope protein and a spike protein. The spike protein is like the grappling hook that throws and latches on to your cells and reels itself in. So what happens is your body is trained to mimic the virus, the virus’s part, not the whole virus, thereby stimulating your immune system. But that’s problematic because if your body looks like the virus, talks like the virus and walks like the virus, well, then maybe your immune system will attack your own body. And these autoimmune diseases are known as autobody dependent enhancement (ADE). And this has been clinically proven to be the case with SARS. And so the people who put together this virus, as I show in my book, did so without ever testing for ADE. So we cannot call them vaccines. We have to call them experimental gene therapy…”

Greg Felton argues that, contrary to dubious debunkings by suspicious characters, the molecular structure of COVID-19 betrays its genetically-engineered origin:

“You talked earlier about the geopolitical aspects of this virus. I deliberately avoided writing about it. Because my whole purpose here was to get something out to the public about the nature of the virus. It is not natural. The arguments in favor of (a natural origin) are are so astronomically implausible as to be virtually worthless. And how do we know that? Well, if you look at my book’s chapters two and three, I look at the the structure of the virus. I look at how the mutations on the SARS backbone could not have come from nature because they violate the standards of randomness, and they are conspicuously different from other coronaviruses of the clade.

“Now, the clade is the family of coronaviruses. There are A B, Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta viruses. For example, MERS, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, is a coronavirus, but of a different family. But SARS is the only one that lacks a certain feature. And this feature is found in sars-cov-2, and this feature had to have been inserted manually, it could not have developed naturally. So you have to ask yourself how that is possible? And then you look at the structure of the feature. It’s called a furin cleavage site. Now, I think people should read Chapter Two of my book to find out all the details. You can get it at turningthetidepublishing.com. But furin is a gene that’s expressed by everybody. Everybody has furin in their system, furin encodes an enzyme that cuts proteins to activate them. That’s what enzymes do. But the furin cleavage site is a place on a protein where it tells the furin enzyme ‘cut here.’ And this cleavage site is not found on SARS. It’s found on MERS and a few other types of coronaviruses. But to get it into SARS, it had to be manually inserted.”

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  1. “The arguments in favor of (a natural origin) are are so astronomically implausible as to be virtually worthless. ”
    Indeed. But, at least we get to pick on the poor bloody pangolin if we stick with “natural mutation” argument. (Get your pangolin hits in now! They’ll likely be extinct shortly — thanks China)

  2. The problem I have with Greg’s (and others’) ‘China did it’ theory is that … how did China manage to get this super-lethal illness under control in only ONE month? From reports of the time and later from witnesses/health care participants, people were dropping dead in the streets from this lethal disease! Yet, with their (supposed) brutal clampdown measures, China nevertheless, licked it in a single month.

    Then the disease moves to other locations (despite China’s brutal containment) and -while it’s bad, it’s usually not lethal … except to very old people!

    So we have a disease that kills Chinese and old people selectively but once it leaves China’s shores … it only targets the old and NOT Chinese any more??

    Furthermore, once it takes hold in places OUTSIDE of China, it’s over a YEAR and the virus is still here, supposedly still killing folk. China beat it in a month but the rest of the world can’t get it under control in over a year … still waiting for a vaccine … which China didn’t need.

    No matter which way you look at it, there are troublesome logical gaps but to say that China did it, seems to me to be the most illogical.

    • Replies: @alan2102
    , @Greg Felton
  3. mike99588 says:

    I wonder how long before a case study or book on successful assymetric warfare and regime change is published in Chinese…

  4. alan2102 says:
    @Alberta Vince

    How did China achieve success so rapidly?

    Several things, I think.

    1. brief hard lockdown VERY EARLY, when it counts; this gives time for other measures to act.

    2. TCM – Traditional Chinese Medicine, highly effective; see below

    3. IV ascorbic acid, cited in several official Chinese documents released in spring 2020; highly effective.

    4. Probably also widespread use of HCQ and ivermectin. (Widespread use of these drugs is the mostly-likely reason for India’s similarly stunning success in controlling the pandemic.)

    Problem in the West is NO EARLY TREATMENT, and a virtual ban on any treatment at all outside the hospital ICU — when it is too late.

    There is a special ban on early treatment using anything other than conventional drugs — things like TCM, ascorbic acid, zinc, vitamin D (and active vitamin D metabolites), melatonin, and so on, even though there is an abundance of evidence either for efficacy in humans, or pre-clinical evidence of likely efficacy. In the West, such things are absolutely verboten. But even conventional drugs like HCQ and ivermectin are verboten, just slightly less so. It is a hierarchy of verboten-ness, with natural substances at the bottom. That’s paradoxical, since those very substances are easily the safest and in almost every case there is literally no reason at all not to use them — even if there is only a 5% chance of effectiveness. Hell, if it is cheap and perfectly safe, and generally beneficial to health in any case, then why the hell NOT use it? But in the West, noooo. Nope. NO CAN DO. Sorry.

    We could have used HCQ or ivermectin, but no. We could be using fluvoxamine, methylprednisolone, and numerous other excellent remedies, but no. Effective early treatment is not allowed in the West. Just wait until they are bad enough to require hospitalization, then send them to ICU to die.

    For an introduction to the long list of probably-effective remedies for this disease, see Steve Kirsch’s fine review here:
    https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-cure-for-COVID-19/answer/Steve-Kirsch
    Is there any cure for COVID-19?

    China’s pandemic response featured stunningly-effective Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM; mostly herbal):
    https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7439087/
    “Results: … TCM’s curative effect was outstanding, with a national participation rate of over 90%. More than 70,000 people were cured of COVID-19 and discharged from the hospital. Only approximately 10,000 patients are currently being treated, and the total treatment time is approximately 2 months.”

  5. I happen to agree with you (completely) but … if “we” are right, then WHO created this Covid 19 virus? China or some antagonistic source toward China? Does it make any sense that China would create a deadly virus to kill thousands of its own people in their own country and then scramble frantically and manage to BEAT their own weapon with their own conventional medicinal treatments almost immediately? Who would profit from that?

    On the other hand, if this was a western sourced creation … would THAT make more sense?

    First off, China might be set back in their industrial manufacturing if the pandemic truly took hold. Checkmark – a benefit to the west.

    Since THAT didn’t work out so well, #2 motive would be to benefit financially from the overall negative effect of the viral “pandemic”. Who would benefit from THAT?? Only pharmaceutical companies? How would China fit into benefiting from Pfizer sales for example?

    Follow the money. Who would benefit most? Wouldn’t it make the most logical sense that whoever created the virus would also be a party who would want to eliminate all possible other treatments except vaccines … in order to benefit massively from the sale of vaccines?

    This is the point I’m trying to establish … by stimulating group conversation. Who is the most logical, likely culprit? I can’t completely put it together myself (yet) but I’m hoping that SOMEONE might come up with the logical magic bullet that will nail this this completely.

    • Replies: @alan2102
    , @Ron Unz
  6. alan2102 says:
    @Alberta Vince

    “WHO created this Covid 19 virus?”

    Of course, I cannot say. It would be mere speculation. All I can say is that I trust the Chinese more than I trust the U.S. and West in general. The latter is run by psychopaths, Machiavellians, grifters, idiots, and so on. The former is run mostly by high-I.Q. STEM grads with proven track records of honesty and personal character. (With exceptions, naturally. What I say is just a generality.) Also, you might note that in the PRC, people who step out of line in a way that appreciably damages society are dealt with harshly, up to and including the death penalty. So far, I gather, the PRC has executed 13 billionaires! In the West, not a single billionaire or other very wealthy person, no matter how criminal, will EVER be executed, and rarely if ever significantly punished. Draw from that what you will.

    • Replies: @anon
  7. Ron Unz says:
    @Alberta Vince

    I happen to agree with you (completely) but … if “we” are right, then WHO created this Covid 19 virus? China or some antagonistic source toward China?

    You might want to take a look at a long article I published last year:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    Or one of my various follow-up columns, such as this one:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/31000-words-missing-from-the-atlantic-and-the-new-york-times-sunday-magazine/

    • Replies: @Alberta Vince
  8. By made in a lab and not in Nature are you in agreement that this virus outside a lab is fiction.? This seems most likely. 17 years of CDC fatality guidelines changed in March 24, 2020.
    And the virus has not been isolated. https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-virus-does-not-exist-confirmed/5733819

    • Replies: @Greg Felton
  9. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @alan2102

    PRC has executed 13 billionaires! In the West, not a single billionaire or other very wealthy person, no matter how criminal, will EVER be executed…

    This is good.

    A country should be judged on the number
    of executed billionaires and high politicians.

    The more executed the higher the index of quality.

  10. @Alberta Vince

    By “China did it” I mean that it leaked from a Chinese-run lab. Of course, China is not uniquely responsible. SARS-CoV-2 is as much a product U.S. funding as anything else. To date, I have seen no conclusive evidence pointing in any other direction. Let’s not forget that SARS came out of China, too, and it could also be the result of human manipulation.

    Indeed, there are many gaps, and there are those who desperately do not want them filled.
    Much of my book is devoted to the censorship of non-natural origin evidence:
    https://www.turningthetidepublishing.com/shop/sars-cov-2

    • Replies: @Alberta Vince
  11. @Albion Moonlite

    Sorry. I don’t buy this. The whole “isolation” argument is a red herring. This is a synthetic virus, not a natural one.

    https://www.turningthetidepublishing.com/shop/sars-cov-2

  12. @Ron Unz

    Wow, that’s more of a shotgun blast than the silver bullet I’d been hoping for! Then again, perhaps most of the pellets were silver, regardless? I think that if Greg Felton took the time to read all of it, he’d likely change his mind. That would be nice.

    However, we all seem to have our individual blind spots and it seems to me that YOUR particular blind spot is a failure to recognize (at least the possibility) that American leaders are NOT in control of America and/nor are many of the world’s country leaders in control of their own countries. They are, instead … simply puppets dancing to the strings of an external “force” which jerk them.

    You say things like,

    “Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.
    (1) Rogue elements within our large national security apparatus probably affiliated with the Deep State Neocons decided to inflict severe damage upon the huge Chinese economy using biowarfare.
    (2) The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon.
    (3) As a secondary operation, they decided to target Iran’s political elites, possibly deploying a somewhat more deadly variant of the virus
    (4) The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19.
    (5) Only a small number of individuals were directly involved in this plot, and soon after the disease was successfully released in Wuhan, they decided to further safeguard America’s own interests by alerting the appropriate units with the Defense Intelligence Agency, probably by fabricating some sort of supposed “intelligence leak.
    (6) Unfortunately for these plans, the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness, and soon stamped out the disease. Meanwhile, the lackadaisical and incompetent American government largely ignored the problem, only reacting after the massive outbreak in Northern Italy had gotten media attention.

    Now, if you consider the possibility that intelligence agencies like the CIA, M15, SIS, CSIS etc. are EXTERNAL agencies which are no longer serving the interests of their “own” countries but have been co-opted to execute the will of secret money masters behind the scenes, calling the shots … it starts to make a lot more logical sense. The same thing could be said for those who are apparently running countries but continuously prove themselves to be utterly incompetent for their jobs. Are they REALLY that stupid … or are they being coerced to do the will of the money masters behind the scenes? I mean, Obama certainly knew precisely what to say when he was on the campaign trail. He was most “perfectly clear” about his intentions. George Bush jr. was too. He decried the idea of empire building. Donald Trump said most of the right things while campaigning for presidency … and yet ALWAYS -when these people actually get into power- they reverse 180 degrees and do exactly the opposite of what they promised.

    Why is that? Are they liars from the outset … or do they suddenly find themselves confronted with a massive monster, once in office, who tells them that their rhetoric was truly charming on the campaign trail but in REALITY … they’re going to tow the same ol’ policy lines as before … “or else”?

    I find it hard to believe that these three presidents knew EXACTLY what the problems were before going into office … but then intentionally about-faced completely, once “in power”. (Ever notice how ALL of them get very grey hair in the short 8 years of their combined terms?)

    When Donald Trump initially came out with ‘hydroxychloroquine’ as the solution to this “pandemic” … that was most probably the real, honest Trump expressing his own opinion, based on what someone had told him. But, near the end of his term, he was advocating for vaccines as the only solution to the problem of a “world wide pandemic.” This looks like a coerced Donald Trump, repeating what he was essentially forced to say.

    Who are these shadow government people? Are they patriotic to regional country/state governments or are they a CLASS of people without boundaries whose allegiance is only to their own self-preservation? A class, who are somehow able to accrue boundless wealth without proper means to explain their acquisitions in real sweat equity and use that accumulation to buy the will of politicians and bureaucrats? Intelligence agencies, pharmaceutical companies and money-creating banks would fit the bill.

    What could be their agenda? How about Agenda 2021 and Agenda 2030?

    Perhaps Maurice Strong -a man who accrued his wealth from oil- explained it best when he said, “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized nations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

    When you look at the possibility that economic collapse of industrialized nations is the real agenda and not one country against another country … it all starts to make more logical sense. Then it’s NOT bumbling and incompetence but a big shadowy hand behind the scenes FORCING the stupidity … in order to ultimately enslave the entire world and subsequently reduce world population to reduce threat to themselves.

    Rule of thumb, in my opinion, is that when something simply doesn’t make sense … you’re getting close to a silver bullet discovery.

    Now, the idea that this “pandemic” could have been so devastating to China and yet, prove to be hardly more than a severely bad flu once it escaped China … is something that -still- just doesn’t make sense to me. I say that even AFTER I got the “thing” (I’m thoroughly convinced … but a bit too early to fit the official narrative. I came down with the worst and weirdest flu of my life on December 29th of 2019 which fit all the symptoms of Covid 19).

    Is it possible that this was a man-manufactured virus which is highly lethal when it first encounters a host … but then LOSES most of its lethality when it’s reproduced within the host? Like, maybe the human body filters out some of the major lethality so that second and subsequent generations of the virus are still very contagious but also carry some kind of signal to warn future hosts to NOT do a cytokine storm…

    I know this may sound a bit flaky but then again … cytokine storms themselves are pretty flaky too!~ That’s where the body immune system attacks its own body to kill “everything”. It’s maybe a bit like having someone tell us that enemies lurk behind any possible bush and we react by shooting everything in sight … which turn out to be mostly our community neighbors. Once a DESCRIPTION is included with a warning, why then we only shoot things that look like that description.

    I suspect it’s something like that. I don’t believe for a minute that the world-wide lockdowns are doing anything useful and … I still believe that Donald Trump was correct in his initial assessment. The big numbers we are fed -I believe- are primarily propaganda. But … Trump eventually was forced to capitulate by hook or by crook!~

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a Donald Trump fan!

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  13. Ron Unz says:
    @Alberta Vince

    However, we all seem to have our individual blind spots and it seems to me that YOUR particular blind spot is a failure to recognize (at least the possibility) that American leaders are NOT in control of America and/nor are many of the world’s country leaders in control of their own countries. They are, instead … simply puppets dancing to the strings of an external “force” which jerk them.

    Sure, I’m pretty agnostic about which groups in the US were responsible for the likely biowarfare attack against China (and Iran). Personally, I think it was probably rogue elements of our national security apparatus associated with the Deep State Neocons, but that’s just an educated guess.

    And I’ve actually published quite a lot over the years about the American “political puppetry” to which you refer:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-john-mccain-jeffrey-epstein-and-pizzagate/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-tokyo-rose-ran-for-president/

    Note that the first article from a couple of years ago bears the descriptive subtitle: “Our Reigning Political Puppets, Dancing to Invisible Strings”

  14. @Greg Felton

    Oh, ok … I must have misunderstood what you said then.

    Leaked from a Chinese lab … is a possibility IMO too.

  15. Greg Felton:

    “Evidence that this virus was made in a laboratory is overwhelming and unimpeachable, yet the standard line is still that it came from nature despite the fact that every nature-based argument has collapsed.”

    Unimpeachable my ass – FACT: The alleged virus has never been proven to exist.

    There is a challenge just waiting for people like Mr. Felton here:

    https://gab.com/FightBackMontana

    fightbackmt.org – is offering a $5,000.00 reward for proving that SARS-CoV-2 exists.

    Earning this reward should be a slam dunk for Mr. Felton – If his book isn’t a fraud.

    • Replies: @Greg Felton
  16. Greg Felton:

    “The whole “isolation” argument is a red herring. This is a synthetic virus, not a natural one.”

    Truly one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

    It doesn’t change any of the facts outlined in these links:

    https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/sovi/#voices/


    https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/

  17. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I listened to the interview, and I’ll admit I wasn’t terribly impressed.

    I’d never heard of Greg Felton, so I checked around and he’s apparently a journalist specializing in Middle East issues and 9/11 Truth, apparently having zero scientific background as far as I can. That’s fine, but it does suggest certain limitations.

    He claims that the virology makes it totally obvious that Covid-19 came from a lab, certainly the Wuhan lab he believes. Well, I’m not a virologist, and maybe he’s right so the vast number of virologists who claim otherwise are lying. But he’s not a virologist either, so why should anyone believe him about that?

    Me, I prefer to focus on things that can be easily understood by a non-virologist such as myself. Here are a few key paragraphs from my long April article that some might find relevant:

    But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

    It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

    As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

    Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    • Replies: @Greg Felton
    , @Brás Cubas
  18. @Greg Gerdes

    This is deflection, not discussion.

    You are in no position to claim the non-existence of SARS-CoV-2 as a fact, since all you do is recycle the boasting of an eccentric. I prefer to do research.

    https://www.turningthetidepublishing.com/shop/sars-cov-2

    Read my book, argue my evidence, and then get back to me.

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
  19. @Ron Unz

    Gee, Ron: You have to resort to credentializing me to run down my argument. And Kevin Barrett speaks so highly of you.

    The fact that I am not a virologist is utterly irrelevant! No discipline is a private language game reserved exclusively for initiates. Before spouting off, perhaps you should read my evidence that shows that many virologists are lying when they defend the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2.

    Contrary to your prejudiced retort, people should believe me not for who I am but for what I can prove.

    Why should anyone believe you, Ron?

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
  20. @Greg Felton

    Greg Felton:

    “This is deflection, not discussion.”

    Says the exposed cornered rat who cannot defend his thesis.

    Greg Felton:

    “You are in no position to claim the non-existence of SARS-CoV-2 as a fact”

    I am most certainly in a position to be skeptical of your unsubstantiated allegations Greg.

    And what I said was this:

    FACT: The alleged virus has never been proven to exist.

    Perhaps if you weren’t trying so hard to deflect rather than discuss, you would have noticed the difference.

    Now, if SARS-CoV-2 has in fact been proven to exist and Mr. Felton is the researcher he pretends to be, then he should be willing to put his money where his mouth is. The challenge he is running away from can be seen here:

    https://gab.com/FightBackMontana

    What are you waiting for Greg?

    What are you so afraid of?

    Greg Felton:

    “I prefer to do research.”

    Well Greg, if you’re such a gifted researcher and your book is not a fraud, irrefutably proving that a novel corona virus named – SARS-CoV-2 – has in fact been conclusively proven to actually exist should be a slam dunk for you.

    • Replies: @Greg Felton
  21. @Greg Felton

    Greg Felton [to Ron Unz]:

    “Contrary to your prejudiced retort, people should believe me not for who I am but for what I can prove.”

    Well Greg, if you could just substantiate your allegations and irrefutably prove that SARS-CoV-2 has in fact been conclusively proven to actually exist, then maybe people would start believing you.

    The fact that you are afraid to put your money where your mouth is says it all.

    Fact: If SARS-CoV-2 actually exists, it can be proven to exist.

    FACT: The alleged virus has never been proven to exist.

    Funny how that little detail has been swept under the rug during this nature vs. lab argument rages.

  22. All right, y’all … you got me more confused than ever! I feel like I now know less than I did before you started to “educate” me!~~

    I listened to those 2 doctors’ conversations TWICE and am still not totally sure what they were trying to say. Here’s what (I think) I gleaned from them … and this is only in simile form. (It’s like “like” but not that it “IS”).

    Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone because I feel like I’m venturing out through a mine field.

    The covid 19 virus (or whatever else it’s called) has NEVER been identified by itself as an actual entity. Only its “fingerprint” has been found and identified.

    Ok, this is LIKE a fingerprint found at a crime scene. It’s merely the signature of a person who hasn’t yet been found or identified. The person hasn’t been isolated; only their IDENTITY has been isolated (amongst possibly a dozen other fingerprints of other identities).

    A virus CANNOT ever be found as an entity because it has to be “married” to a living cell in order to exist in the first place. Is this correct?

    I see it as a type of signature or bar code or instruction set that alters whatever host it sits on or in but … it can’t sit on its own ass because it doesn’t have one. It has to be joined with a living cell in order to have any semblance of life.

    Again … this is LIKE a barcode containing instructions which CANNOT exist without being joined to a piece of paper in order to be seen … or be produced on an electronic screen in order to be observed, followed and obeyed.

    It’s a bit LIKE a mermaid. Does any mermaid exist anywhere? Well no because the “maid” is human but the “mer” is fish. If you join the dna of a human female with a fish … would you create a mermaid? Well no; you would merely create the SIGNATURE of such a creature. It would take a lot more than dna fusion to create an actual critter which is half human/half fish.

    Am I on the right track so far?

    Well, the way I see it, Greg Felton is still correct because he’s saying that the signature of this thing was created in a lab and not in nature. Am I right Felton?

    But … Greg Gerdes is correct too because he’s maintaining that this virus has NEVER been isolated and therefore hasn’t been proven to exist … period.

    Well ok, I gotta say that I find the whole “science” of this thing, here and now … absolutely mushy!~

    Sure, you might find a particular DNA sequence signature in the “snot” of people who are sick and are assumed to have this Covid thing and all the sickies exhibit a trace or more of that signature. Therefore, by ASSOCIATION you could assume that they’re sick with these particular symptoms BECAUSE they are harboring the entity of the virus which is leaving that signature behind as a fingerprint. But in actual fact, you could never FIND the actual culprit because it’s not completely a virus; it is, in fact … half human. All you can hope to find it the SIGNATURE of “something” that can be found in a bunch of sick people with similar symptoms. But, what it actually IS … and whether it’s actually the CAUSE of the sickness is very sketchy and constitutes nothing more than hefty assumption.

    Any comments? Am I totally out to lunch or am I sort of on track?

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
  23. @Ron Unz

    He claims that the virology makes it totally obvious that Covid-19 came from a lab, certainly the Wuhan lab he believes. Well, I’m not a virologist, and maybe he’s right so the vast number of virologists who claim otherwise are lying.

    I am not sure I understand what you are implying here, and what your thesis is in this respect, in view of this excerpt. Virologists generally state the probability of the virus being of natural origin or not, but are not able, in the latter case, to specify in which lab it might have been created. Are you saying the virus is of natural origin and, after having been found in nature and studied, was intentionally spread by rogue elements?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  24. @Alberta Vince

    Alberta Vince:

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone because I feel like I’m venturing out through a mine field.

    The covid 19 virus (or whatever else it’s called) has NEVER been identified by itself as an actual entity. Only its “fingerprint” has been found and identified.”

    First off, the alleged virus has been labeled SARS-CoV-2 and the alleged illness has been labeled COVID-19.

    Second, the alleged “fingerprint” or “signature” is as much of a fraud as the alleged “virus” itself. What you are referring to is the genome, and what has allegedly been “proven to exist” about the genome is only a fraction of the alleged genome – and said fraction is only ASSUMED to have come from the alleged virus.

    Alberta Vince:

    “Again … this is LIKE a barcode containing instructions which CANNOT exist without being joined to a piece of paper in order to be seen … or be produced on an electronic screen in order to be observed, followed and obeyed.”

    Before you can understand the fraud behind this “explanation” you have to understand that what SARS-CoV-2 is alleged to be is a corona virus. (You seem to be confusing retro viruses with alleged corona viruses.)

    Corona viruses are alleged to be tangible things – complete, identifiable physical entities that can be recognized and characterized and photographed and conclusively proven to actually exist.

    Alberta Vince:

    “Well, the way I see it, Greg Felton is still correct because he’s saying that the signature of this thing was created in a lab and not in nature.”

    Vince, I urge you to read this again:

    https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/sovi/#voices/

  25. Alberta Vince:

    Any comments? Am I totally out to lunch or am I sort of on track?

    Vince, sometimes it is best to back up a bit and make sure that what you think you understanding is fundamentally sound.

    I urge you to check these out:

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

    • Replies: @Alberta Vince
  26. Ron Unz says:
    @Brás Cubas

    I am not sure I understand what you are implying here, and what your thesis is in this respect, in view of this excerpt.

    I was just being a little sarcastic.

    The overwhelming majority of professional virologists who have taken a public position seem to claim that the virus was probably natural, though some disagree.

    Felton, who apparently has no scientific background, repeatedly claims to have *proven* it was produced in a lab. Now someone can say anything, but why should anyone take his opinion seriously?

    My own background is in theoretical physics, and if some random journalist came along making very dramatic claims in that field, I can’t imagine I would pay any attention to him.

    Personally, I strongly suspect that the virus did indeed come from a lab, but not being a professional virologist I certainly wouldn’t claim to be able to effectively judge the conflicting claims of experts, let alone set forth my own opinion.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    , @Greg Felton
  27. @Ron Unz

    OK, I get it. I thought that might be what you meant, but wasn’t sure.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Greg Felton
  28. @Greg Gerdes

    Apparently your link no longer exists. I get an error 522.

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
  29. @Greg Gerdes

    I have better things to do than waste my time with a troll like you. Like a troll, you assumes I am “afraid” because I won’t entertain an idle speculation.

    If you won’t read my evidence, then what is there to talk about?

    …END COMMUNICATION

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
  30. @Ron Unz

    Ron: If you won’t read my evidence then keep your untutored opinions about me to yourself.

    Credentializing a person is a form of intellectual cowardice. Are you a coward?

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
    , @Greg Felton
  31. @Brás Cubas

    Brás: Might I suggest you disregard Ron Unz’s prejudiced opinion and read my evidence that proves a lab origin.

    https://www.turningthetidepublishing.com/shop/sars-cov-2

    Cheers,
    Greg

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  32. @Alberta Vince

    I just checked all the links I have provided and they work for me. If you contact me at – [email protected] – I’ll be happy to send them to you that way.

    • Replies: @Alberta Vince
  33. @Greg Felton

    I have better things to do than waste my time with a troll like you …END COMMUNICATION

    Look at Mr. Felton run! – Ha ha ha!

    Poor Mr. Felton; he wants to be taken seriously as a researcher, but tucks tail and runs away the second he’s challenged to prove the existence of the very thing that is the foundation of his book!

    Mr. Felton, if you lack the courage, integrity and character to defend your thesis like any honest researcher would, then you have a long road ahead of you as an author of non-fiction books.

    Remember Mr. Felton, the challenge for you to put your money where your mouth is and prove that SARS-CoV-2 has been proven to exist still stands:

    https://gab.com/FightBackMontana

    Also remember Mr. Felton:

    To cravenly refuse to bet that you can prove what you allege has been proven, is a tacit admission that you know what you allege – has not been proven.

  34. @Greg Felton

    Greg Felton to Ron Unz:

    “Are you a coward?”

    Wow – The person who lacks the courage, integrity and character to put his money where his mouth is and who cravenly ran away from a challenge to prove that what he alleges has been proven has in fact been proven, has the gall to ask a skeptic of his unsubstantiated allegations if they are a coward?

    I have a question for you Mr. Felton:

    What kind of self-deceiving coward calls a skeptic of their unsubstantiated allegations a “denier” – yet is unwilling to bet that they can prove what they so vehemently allege is true?

  35. @Greg Felton

    For the record, Ron, I have as much right to write on SARS-CoV-2 as a virologist does.

    For you to denigrate me based on my résumé amounts to endorsing group-think and supporting official censorship of contrary narratives. It may interest you to know that the evidence in my book comes from virologists; I didn’t make anything up. My 15 pages of footnotes show my research. Argue that!

    So much for your pretentious claim to be a voice for alternative media.

  36. @Greg Gerdes

    Hey! I’m already backed up about as far as possible … right into a corner!~

    Ok, let me give you a little piece of my mind, regarding links and out-sources …

    The notable physicist Richard Feynman once made a statement which really struck a chord with me. He said (effectively) that if you can’t explain something in simple terms, you don’t understand it. (!!)
    https://kottke.org/17/06/if-you-cant-explain-something-in-simple-terms-you-dont-understand-it

    My own philosophy is that if I can’t explain something in my own words -and simply enough for an inquiring audience to understand- then I really DON’T know myself, what I’m talking about … and this situation is NOT going to be improved any by sending the audience elsewhere to hear or read someone else! So if I’m going to promote something I’d better be educated enough to EXPLAIN what I’m trying to promote … in my own words.

    It seems to me that the majority of “experts” today are nothing more than lego block assemblers. They’re simply passing on lines which they’ve memorized without KNOWING what is in the guts of the lego they’re trying to stick together. Give me a mechano set kid any time!~ (That was a nuts and bolts construction kit or kits from back in the 1950’s).

    The other thing that truly bugs me is when some presenter stands there in front of his audience listing off his credentials and accomplishments for a full 5 minutes before engaging in his talk.

    Why do they DO that? Well, most likely they do that in order to gain TRUST with their audience?

    Is that how truth is established? “Trust me punk, I know what I talking about. I’m THE EXPERT!!”

    I have a policy of trusting no one. I listen as much as I can … and then I compare what’s being said with what I know and with my own hunches which I can check out later. Thus, if I hear someone giving some (seemingly) important information, it doesn’t matter to me whether the guy is a jail bird, a pervert or the pope -his credentials mean nothing- I judge the VERACITY of his words by a logical yardstick only. The weirdest people often have some of the greatest ideas!

    Now, that’s not me necessarily but rather, the way I was brought up and educated … in an entirely other era. I say this just to say that … there IS another way of learning things. You needn’t believe and trust anyone; you evaluate what they say by logical reasoning.

    And in my day things were explained in as SIMPLE a manner as was possible. Today, it seems that all explainers are more interested in making themselves look REALLY important.

    Am I right?

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
  37. @Greg Gerdes

    First off, the alleged virus has been labeled SARS-CoV-2 and the alleged illness has been labeled COVID-19.

    Ok, thanks. I didn’t realize that. It helps, some.

  38. @Alberta Vince

    Alberta Vince, you are 100% right.

    Alberta Vince:

    “And in my day things were explained in as SIMPLE a manner as was possible.”

    Which I have done:

    FACT: If SARS-CoV-2 actually exists, it can be proven to exist.

    FACT: The alleged virus has never been proven to exist.

    FACT: When challenged to disprove the above facts, Mr. Felton tucked tail and ran.

    But of course, the challenge still stands:

    https://gab.com/FightBackMontana

  39. @Greg Gerdes

    Ok, I was able to open that link successfully, many hours later and listened to all of it. Perhaps the server crashed from all the traffic suddenly generated by our discussion here?!~ (fall on floor laughing severely at my own imagination). But seriously, I wasn’t lying; the site gave me only an error earlier.

    Well, I THINK I’m getting a handle on what you, Dr. Kaufman and Global Research are advocating: there has never been a true isolation of this SARS Cove2 virus, sufficient to satisfy skeptics like yourselves. And, you could be 100% correct with your arguments too.

    But for me it’s like the children’s nursery rhyme: “who has seen the wind? Neither you nor I. But when the leaves move in the trees, the wind is passing by.”

    Imagine what the world would be like if no preparation ever occurred for hurricanes … simply because “wind” has never been isolated.

    This is the conundrum for me personally. If Covid 19 does NOT exist … what the heck did I have then, on December 29-> 2019? If I’d NOT had that, I would likely be sided 100% with your position today. I’ve been a skeptic of all these new virus scares since AIDS already … and that’s a L-O-N-G time now.

    I don’t get flues or serious colds in the winter anymore and haven’t for about the last 20 years. I take 2 grams of Vitamin C per day and 2 little vitamin D “pills” per day and … I stay away from crowded places when it’s really cold and dry outside. This would be called “self isolation” I suppose?

    I’ve never had a flu shot or any other vaccine shot for that matter -in my life- except for one time when I tore my arm open with a nail on a 2X6 that I pried off the wall overhead during a demolition session in a warehouse. I went to a walk in clinic to get “fixed” and they wouldn’t let me out of there without getting a tetanus shot.

    Oddly enough though, I’ve had 2 fairly severe flu bouts in the middle of summer in those 20 years and have NO IDEA what THAT’S about!

    So when I got hit with this flu on Dec. 29th 2019 I was hoping it would simply be a case of the sniffles and be gone the next day with plenty of rest and fluids … as is usually the case.

    Instead, I was encapsulated into some kind of running delirium where an endless media loop kept playing, showing me how my body was being taken apart like a crashed vehicle with body parts sitting on the shelves awaiting replacement! I couldn’t breath laying down and I felt like I couldn’t get warm even though I was sweating like crazy.

    There were many other symptoms that perfectly matched what was being described as symptoms for Covid 19 later. Of course, I couldn’t POSSIBLY have gotten it (officially) because the media had not yet announced its arrival in Canada in late December.

    On New Year’s Eve my wife came down with it as well … but not as bad as me. She also happens to be 5 years younger than me.

    The strange thing is that NO ONE ELSE around us came down with this “disease” … except for two other people whom my wife knows somewhat remotely.

    So where in heck did WE get it? Especially with my carefulness in the winter? Those other 2 people had no idea where they might have contracted it either.

    And then it suddenly hit me a while later. WE had gone out for Christmas Dinner to a Chinese buffet and we couldn’t find it’s location (because it had a street address but was located in a mall). So we’d stopped at another Chinese restaurant along the way -brightly lit with blaring blue signs- to ask for directions. (Nothing else was open on Christmas day, eh?) It was at THIS place where we were tightly surrounded by many helpful Chinese folk waiting outside in a lineup to get in … with maps on their cell phones, breathing into our faces almost intimately … that I figure we contracted the “thing.”

    So okay, whatever it is that we got, it wasn’t like any other flu I’ve had in my life … and I’ve had plenty!~ It was pretty serious. I’m still not completely recovered from it (but getting close). Yet … it seems that it STILL hasn’t been isolated or actually identified?

    What we have TODAY (I believe) is an artist formerly known as “flu” which has been relabeled “Covid 19” … because there’s a lot more money to be made from the latter identification. How ELSE can you explain a sudden disappearance of the common flu from hospital registers?? (Oh yeah, one of the funniest explanations I’ve heard for that is “it’s because our mask wearing and distancing is SO EFFECTIVE”)!!~ yEAh right. So why is Covid 19 still spreading then?

    I just hope we get to the end of all this nonsense SOON. We may never know what this “thing” looks like since it doesn’t seem to be identifiable and if we are forced to keep wearing masks until it’s all solved, we’ll likely still be masked a 100 years from now. After all, they still haven’t figured out what made the 1918 flu pandemic so deadly.

    • Replies: @Greg Gerdes
  40. @Alberta Vince

    Alberta Vince:

    “We may never know what this “thing” looks like since it doesn’t seem to be identifiable”

    But that statement misses these simple points:

    FACT: If SARS-CoV-2 actually exists, it can be proven to exist.

    FACT: The alleged virus has never been proven to exist.

    They are called facts for a reason.

    Just because you can’t figure out how a magic trick is done, doesn’t make the illusion reality.

    The whole coronacon is a cognitive illusion Vince.

    I’ll try one more time:

    https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/jon-rappoport/the-virus-that-isn-t-there-genetic-sequencing-and-the-magic-trick/

    Good luck in your quest for the truth.

    Nice chatting with you Vince.

  41. I have another fact to share with you Vince:

    FACT: SARS-CoV-2 is alleged to be a complete, autonomous, visible, tangible, isolable, identifiable, literal physical entity that has been scientifically authenticated via electron microscopy.

    And another question:

    Is it alleged that wind is a tangible physical entity?

  42. All right, YOU broke the 40 “barrier” so I’m going to reply to you. I wasn’t going to; I thought 40 comments was just a nice round number. But now it’s different.~

    The question for me isn’t whether this virus is real or not; man-made or not. I really don’t care to split hairs over the absolutely true shape and form of the thing.

    What I’m CONVINCED of is that there is “something” out there that’s making people dreadfully ill and I’m convinced that I contracted that at the end of 2019. Perhaps by now it’s almost extinct and the idea is kept alive in perpetuation by calling common flues “Covid 19” today? I think that may well be the case; that herd immunity was long-ago achieved and that today we’re only dealing with the normal common flues. Whatever the case, there’s no justification for all of these draconian control measures any more (if there ever WAS one). These measures could -at best- merely “flatten the curve” but ultimately, people would have to face contracting the illness at some time in their futures anyway.

    So I’m interested in finding out WHAT was it that caused the panic-demic in the first place? Was it possibly beamed microwave radiation from space, carrying some kind of a payload? Maybe something sprayed into the air and then activated with radiation of certain frequencies or pulse rates?

    Just saying that the thing doesn’t exist because it hasn’t been isolated/identified is like burying our heads in the sand, IMO.

  43. For all those who lack the intelligence to understand, the courage to accept, the integrity to acknowledge and the character to speak the truth about the coronacon, here is what you need to know in a nutshell:

    FACT: SARS-CoV-2 is alleged to be a complete, singular, autonomous, visible, tangible, isolable, identifiable, characterizable, literal physical entity that has been scientifically authenticated via electron microscopy and genomic sequencing.

    FACT: If SARS-CoV-2 actually exists, it can be proven to exist.

    FACT: SARS-CoV-2 has never been proven to exist.

    Anyone who disagrees with these facts is challenged to put their money where there mouth is here:

    https://gab.com/FightBackMontana

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