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  1. Dr. Barrett,

    While this interview is very timely and should be of significance in understanding the Beirut event, continually going off track into nostalgic and historical trivial pursuits, is frustrating and counterproductive.
    Next time, can you try to better manage your guests. Thank you.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  2. @Tommy Thompson

    While this interview is very timely and should be of significance in understanding the Beirut event, continually going off track into nostalgic and historical trivial pursuits, is frustrating and counterproductive.

    He needs a transcript, too. I just can’t sit through these vids. I do read em when they’re in transcript form below the player.

  3. antidemo says:

    Re: continually going off track into nostalgic and historical trivial pursuits, is frustrating and counterproductive.

    Agreed. These guys sound like the old lady in the park. I wanted to hear if this guy Duff was going to say something useful and plausible and maybe even evidence-based on a supposed nuclear strike in Beirut. Not another useless bunch of Covid rants. I wonder if either of these guys isn’t subtly on the way to alzheimer’s. They can’t seem to focus. Anyway, I turned it off–waste of time.

  4. antidemo says:

    Re: Tune in and find out.

    You can tune in, but you won’t find out anything that is being promoted. It’s like a bait and switch ad.

  5. @Tommy Thompson

    If you want a more succinct way to scan the factual argument(s) just follow the links in the write-up.

    This is a talk radio show. It gives listeners a chance to meet the voices behind written posts and judge their personalities and characters based on their speaking style, tone of voice, and so on. This is very important in a world where massive amounts of text can be generated under fake identities. Don’t bother to read without knowing the writer—and one way to know the writer is to listen to them talk. (Read MM Bakhtin if you don’t yet know that meaning only exists in the context of a historical community of flesh-and-blood individuals, whose identities including vocal inflections, tones, facial gestures, body language, and other aspects of “voice” are crucial components of the meaning of their utterances.)

    Talk shows also offer a kind of entertainment value different from what writing can provide. Autistic people and others interested only in the rational-empirical arguments divorced from the voice/personality/character of those making the arguments, probably should just read rather than listen to talk shows.

  6. @Corvinus

    “Gordon Duff Says Israel Nuked Beirut”

    No.

    Simple assessment of the multiple phone videos of the event allows estimation of the blast wave velocity – clearly a pressure wave, not an impulse shock wave, so very unlikely to be the result of a nuclear detonation (unless a nuclear detonation was somehow slowed way, way down).

    Similarly, no trademark flash as would be expected from a “classic” nuke.

    In the full spectrum of possibilities, a nuclear detonation is very low on the candidate tree. Maybe Israel has perfected a nuke munition that displays slow-burning non-nuke characteristics but still retains the massive nuclear explosive punch. Definitely a tactical advantage, with huge destructive potential delivered in a vanishingly small package, complete with plausible deniability. Possible? Show me the money.

    Occam’s razor says, if it doesn’t need a nuke to explain it (and it doesn’t), then why insert a nuke? Way more substance needed before this particular boat sails.

  7. gay troll says:

    Veteran’s Today just oozes crediblity.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/06/09/speculative-friendly-aliens-will-protect-small-governments-and-countries-that-join-them/

    Typical alt media MO of tarnishing legitimate conspiracy concerns with bullshit.

    “The darkside that so many of us who are obviously insane think of is that our governments are controlled by alien overlords who operate through non-corporeal entities, seemingly satanic in nature, that rule through banking, endless wars, fake governments and a vast network of organized crime, with the eventual goal of depopulating the planet, for humanity to be replaced by lizard people and for the ‘elites’ to be allowed to serve them in some capacity after the rest of us have been turned into frozen dinners.” -Gordon Duff

    Poisoning the well.

    • LOL: Lot
    • Replies: @Robjil
  8. I am very concerrned that the same psychopaths in the American power circles that staged the 9/11 attacks are going to blow up the Bucks arena where the DNC convention will be held. My suspicions arose the day that they announced the venue since it only has a seating capacity of 17,500 people, and the DNC has claimed that defeating Trump is the most important election in DNC history practically. This venue was chosen prior to Covid. Since then, the DNC has announced that Biden will not attend because of Covid, even though it will primarily be online attendance because of both the small size of the arena, and Covid hysteria. 

    This arena and the Milwaukee Bucks is owned by former Democratic Wisconsin Senator Herb Kohl, owner of Kohls Department stores and Kohls grocery stores. 

    Herb Kohl has wanted to build a new Milwaukee Bucks center and bill it to the tax payers, despite his extreme wealth. 

    Just as Larry Sylverstein World Trade Towers owner was aware of extensive investement that would be required for standard maintainance of the World Trade Towers, he decided that it would be more lucrative to engage in the largest insurance fraud ever perpetrated on U.S. soil, and to bribe everyone off.

    I would urge everyone not to attend the DNC convention. Antifa has engaged in terrorist attacks of national monuments, buildings, and community property in collusion with insurance fraudsters in FIRE economy, Financials, Insurance, Real Estate.

    All of these fraudsters are being bailed out by the United States Treasury department in acts of treason with the Federal Reserve.

    The deregulation starting in 1992 recreated the criminogenic petri-dish of the same conditions that existed for the Great Depression, so it is by no means no surprise that this country is in the shape that it is in.

    As everyone knows, they intend to incite a civil war, and they would probably choose something like this to serve as the catalyst.

    Since Kevin Barrett and Tommy Thompson and Jim Christian are from Wisconsin, I hope that they will take precautionary measures for an online only DNC convention for the reasons stated above, unless the military can somehow secure the Bucks arena sweeping the place prior to the event with military air support over the arena, but right now, international global bankers have a vested interest in inciting war in America to end the dollar as the world reserve currency as well. This is a global effort to end the dollar as a reserve currency. There is an extremely high risk of terrorist attacks by both national amd international terrorists, and we have been subjected to many already including the whole covid hysteria hoax that Gordon Duff is part of. Gordon Duff said that Wikileaks is the Mossad. It is very possible that Israel launched a missile from a ship which created the third largest explosive attack. A nuclear weapon would not be required as a result of the 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate storge at the dock which has been stored there since 2013, and the judicial branch in Lebanon, as well as the Israeli court which has been in charge of the disputes of the shipment of the ammonium nitrate.

  9. Eureka! says:

    Sorry, but nuclear weapons do not exist, except in perception. Don’t take my word for it, look for yourself. No one has split an atom and Robert Oppenheimer has not become death. Nuclear weapons are a powerful deterrence that do not exist. E equals MC Hammer. Ground zero at Hiroshima shows shrubs of trees and it was not radioactive. Those cardboard houses that were filmed (celluloid wouldn’t survive the radiation) were brought to us by the same clowns who like to pretend we drove a golf cart on the moon. The nitripol was targeted with a conventional missile and the shockwave was the nitripol exploding. It would have needed to be mixed with oil or gas but that would have been easy task for some. I found a video by through duckduckgo of the strike and it was uploaded in negative format and you can see the missile impact. In normal video it does not appear, but in negative you can see it. In three frames…then…woof! The next morning I looked for it to show my wife and all the videos had been removed from youtube, bitchute, liveleak, etc. A UK Guardian article mocking conspiracies appeared, and the MSM began controlling the narrative with human interest angles. The video has simply disappeared. In its place were a couple of stills from the negative video which had been laughably edited to appear ridiculous. That was a glimpse behind the curtain into googles cooperation with the state hand sanitizing the internet. I knew it was legitimately true when the video disappeared as the press erupted in denial that Israel had anything to do with it. The next day BB the PM tweeted cryptically that he had done it. Poor Beruit.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  10. El Dato says:

    “After-Report on the Nuclear Attack on Beirut”

    I guess one can pull any old shit out of one’s ass when one feels like it. RETARDED.

    I wonder why a (unphysically flahsless and radiationless and Sci-Fictionary super-duper-low-yield) “nuke” is needed when someone just left 2 kT of ammonium nitrate lying around. Where did that go when the nuke went up btw?

  11. sarz says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin, listening is a luxury. I would have read the transcript though I’ve already read Gordon Duff’s VT pieces on the topic. But my time is limited these days, so I skipped it.

  12. MarkU says:

    Good grief, do we really need easily disprovable crackpot theories to be publicised? honestly? I have no problems with offbeat ideas and theories, examining them is a hobby of mine. I do however have issues with blindingly obvious nonsense.

    Anyone with a reasonable science education could demolish this one off of the top of their heads.

    Cases of radiation sickness, none reported.
    Radioactive residue, none reported
    People blinded by the initial flash, none reported.
    An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) which would have fried all the microchips in the area, evidently absent.
    Evidence of insanely high temperatures ie melted concrete or sand, none reported.

    So why would anyone even think of suggesting a nuclear device? Perhaps some people believe they have credibility to burn?

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  13. A123 says:

    If you want a fact based review of the event grounded in the contemporaneous video record, read this article:

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/07/the-beirut-explosion-is-it-a-bird-is-it-a-plane-is-it-a-faked-video-of-a-missile/

    No missiles, no nukes.

    If it had been a nuke, uncontrollable, independent sources would be reporting on the fallout plume. Multiple groups tracked the Russian Skyfall (2019-OCT) nuclear engine event, which was much smaller than a bomb.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @MarkU
    , @anon
  14. jsinton says:

    I’m waiting for an official analysis from the Lebanese government. I don’t discount much of anything, nor will I jump to conclusions until we know more and get some responsible accounts from people who live there. Too many people have already jumped the shark on this one for them to be credible.

  15. Polemos says:

    Saying the blast was nuclear seems like part of a strategy to misdirect people from asking further questions, the way that claims about the use of DEWs on the Towers of September 11 mislead people. Not so much the people who want to believe DEWs were used, but rather those who must continue to hew as close to the official narrative as necessary to avoid awakening to responsibility with the truth of what happened. It makes the idea seem so outlandish and crazy that it provides cover to think it’s safer to accept the narrative than to embrace absurdity. I think they call it muddying the waters or poisoning the well . . .

    What I notice from this link, for example:

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/09/breathtaking-case-closed-infrared-video-reveals-details-of-israeli-nuclear-missile/

    Here are supposedly infrared images of the scene.

    The missile depicted entering the frame doesn’t appear to align with its trajectory in the supposed next frame:

    The next several frames show the missile moving directly towards the head of that man’s inverse silhouette. One of those examples of the Trickster having fun with us, subliminally suggesting the missile is aiming for our heads. I also appreciate how fine the resolution is on the missile when compared to the blurred edges of the other objects. Is that supposed to be depth of field, as though the video images were focused in the same plane of the missile? Or is that the usual sort of tell of a bad photoshop artist?

    “You can’t fake infrared.” Is that really so? Are we actually looking at an infrared image?

    I like Veterans Today in the way that I like whatdoesitmean.com. Both are fine examples showcasing interesting links, but ultimately both sites have got to be disinformation designed to mislead some folks along the way. Absurdity has its uses for loosening the bonds of one’s hidden presuppositions, but there is also a cunning consistency in the alternate reality truth inhabits. We are the ones living in a deluded world, if all we know is this world, but there are many interesting distractions on the way towards recovering what we chose to lose.

    [Edit: the preview shows the images, but the posting didn’t seem to. I’ve added links to the images from the site’s page I linked]

  16. Iris says:
    @Polemos

    Here are supposedly infrared images of the scene.

    Russia-owned channel RT Arabic reported that “Agence France Press” news agency has proved that the missile strike is a fabrication added to the video:

    • Disagree: Tommy Thompson
    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @Tommy Thompson
  17. @Corvinus

    Much as it pains me, my little disowned-by-the-great-Matthias … I have to agree.
    Used to find Mr. Duff rather authoritative – 15 years ago.

  18. Gordon Duff openly admitted that at least 40% of everything he utters is total bull crap. He claims that because he lies, the intelligence agencies won’t whack him because nobody believes he’s credible. I kind of wish they whack him anyway for all the fantastic lies he tells.

    • Agree: G J T
  19. It was a bomb, Because it penetrated the roof and concrete floor, and threw considerable amounts of black earth particles into precise vertical ascent. It was no missile. there ascent of particles is conical.
    It was Israel all right. But than part of that ammonium nitrate was probably used to make explosives.

  20. The podcast is the work of a wack job, and many of the commenters here are wack jobs as well. It was not caused by anything outside of the warehouse. All that was needed was already there and we know that large explosions dig craters just we see where the warehouse used to be.

  21. Vetran says:

    Don’ t know if the explosion in Beirut was a nuke or not, but it was similar than the one in Syria last year …

  22. vox4non says:

    Much like crying wolf, if disprovable theories are continued to be aired, credible support will be lost.

    In so much as we would like to point to a favourite bogeyman, let us start with facts and evidence. This will strengthen the hand to punish the guilty.

  23. Polemos says:
    @Iris

    I think these are the exact (double?-)fake images Eureka! in comment #10 is talking about, the obvious fakes meant to troll people such as ourselves who don’t know anything into feeling convinced we are at least smart enough to tell a fake so that we won’t go any deeper with asking questions, so kinda what I and gay troll are saying but from the perspective that it really was a missile rather than not. Using the truth of the lie to motivate further lies about the truth. “Of course it is fake and obviously so, so then all the links to the images get replaced with fake ones no one will believe!”

    But I don’t think it’s entirely bullshit that there’s aliens eating us. That’s true, to an extent . . . 🤕

  24. MarkU says:
    @Polemos

    That is clearly not an infrared image. Uncovered body parts such as forearms would surely be glowing brighter than clothing and how could the persons shoes have such clearly defined areas of different temperature? The persons shirt and trousers are also far too uniform in brightness. Have a look for yourselves at infrared images, there are plenty on the internet.

    The only important questions about the explosion are was it an accident or was it triggered deliberately and if so by whom. The scientifically illiterate speculation and the fake pictures are seemingly designed as distractions from those questions. A thorough forensic examination of the site is called for.

  25. Robjil says:
    @gay troll

    That frozen dinner bit reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode – To serve Man.
    https://twilightzone.fandom.com/wiki/To_Serve_Man

    The rest of the book To Serve Man, it’s… it’s a cookbook!” Chambers tries to run back down the spaceship’s stairs, but a Kanamit blocks him, the stairs retract, and the ship immediately lifts off. Chambers is once again seen aboard the Kanamit spaceship, now saying to the audience: “How about you? You still on Earth, or on the ship with me? Really doesn’t make very much difference, because sooner or later, we’ll all be on the menu…all of us.” The episode closes as he gives in and breaks his hunger strike; as Chambers tears at his food, Rod Serling provides a darkly humorous coda in voice-over, noting man’s devolution from “dust to dessert” and from ruler of a planet to “an ingredient in someone’s soup”.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  26. MarkU says:
    @A123

    I’m not disagreeing with your conclusion but using a known intelligence service disinformation site as a source is ridiculous.

  27. JDave says:

    An “expert” who can’t even be bothered to google a missile?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delilah_(missile)

  28. Duff is a disifomation ass-hole. My own Medical Doctor & is wife took The meds Duff says does not work they were bot Cured

  29. @MarkU

    Do you really think nuclear weapons today are the same as in 1950? Or are you being paid to pretend to think that?

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
    , @MarkU
  30. Half-Jap says:
    @Eureka!

    Sources would work wonders.

  31. Half-Jap says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    So your point is that tech has advanced sufficiently to not have such characteristics as from the 1950s.
    Do you have any evidence to support nuclear weapons of such scale that do not have those listed characteristics?
    Would be good to learn.

    • Agree: RodW
  32. Rnaught says:

    I trust a slimy car salesmen more than anything that comes out of this guy’s mouth. According to his “expertise” whoever entertains any doubts related COVID-19 is a retarded science denier but without providing any shred of evidence he jumps the gun on what happened in Lebanon. His smells like a limited hangout all the way to Beirut.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  33. MarkU says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Spoken like a man that knows nothing of science. There are only two ways to get nuclear power, fission and fusion. Unless you want to join Dr Judy Wood in fantasising entirely new physical principles in order to justify a hunch, you have nothing. You can’t just make stuff up as you go along.

    I have complained previously that the 9/11 truth movement was undermined by cranks and by deliberate sabotage. The movement was drowned in a wave of fantastical imaginings and undisciplined speculation, much of it with malice aforethought. As you were once a prominent member of the 9/11 truth movement I consider that you have a duty to keep your credibility intact and publicising scientifically illiterate garbage is not the way to do that.

    Perhaps I should be accusing you of sabotage, I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt. As I said earlier, you evidently know nothing of science, either find a scientific adviser or stick to politics and religion.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Ultrafart the Brave
  34. @Polemos

    Here are supposedly infrared images of the scene.

    With due respect to @Polemos’ appropriately skeptical discussion of the subject – “Infrared Images” my arse!

    Those images are just negatives of a daylight scene with a character dressed in black clothes and some to-die-for sneakers holding up a camera next to a blue truck, and what appears to be an implausibly well-focused image of a missile inserted into the scene.

    Try it and see – just copy the image into an application like Irfan, and invert the colours (“negative” in Irfan).

    If this is the sort of nonsense that Veterans Today are pushing, maybe they should think about taking up that offer at the Old Folks’ Home. Seriously.

  35. gay troll says:
    @Robjil

    I’m partial to the Alfred Hitchcock Presents wherein a woman kills her husband with a frozen leg of lamb, throws the murder weapon in the oven, and later serves it to the detectives sent to solve the crime.

    Without any evidence of the Beirut explosion being nuclear, the insistence that it was nuclear is rather suspect. Sort of like claims that holographic planes flew into the WTC, or DEW ignited the wildfire that destroyed Paradise, California. It is the strategic discreditation of conspiracy research by going “a bridge too far.” Could there be a new type of nuclear device that has no hallmarks of a nuclear explosion? Sure. Could the 9/11 conspirators have used top secret projection technology instead of remote autopilot? OK. Could a cutting edge weapons satellite have been deployed for a task that only required a match? I guess.

    Always wield Occam’s razor.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  36. Polemos says:
    @Rnaught

    Be precise and accurate, though. He is providing shreds of evidence, along with interpretation interweaving with those shreds to create a fabric of a truth. There are several links to Duff’s articles provided by Barrett above, and I visited a few and posted in relation to one of them, the “Breathtaking: Case Closed” article. That is the article where I quote Duff saying

    Censorship of the video by YouTube is taken as evidence, not that the video is genuine, of course it is, you can’t fake infrared, but that Israel is terrified for the first time in a very long time.

    MarkU in #25, for example, aligns with me in questioning if the image is actually “infrared” or a color inversion. Iris in #17 responding to me posts a YouTube video also challenging those videos; unfortunately, I am not an Arabic reader/listener.

    I guess I want to say that it’s not quite right to say Duff isn’t providing evidence. I think it’s important to see what he provides and come to one’s conclusions, but finding the evidence does not match/support/demonstrate the interpretation or the claims made with it doesn’t mean it isn’t evidence. But, I can see how someone, maybe you, disagree and hold that ‘evidence’ specifically means the sort of demonstrable fact that allows one to reach knowledge.

    • Replies: @Iris
  37. Lot says:
    @MarkU

    Looking for science and rationality on a Unzer who converted to Islam?

    🤔 🤔 🤔

  38. Iris says:
    @Polemos

    Iris in #17 responding to me posts a YouTube video also challenging those videos; unfortunately, I am not an Arabic reader/listener.

    You don’t need to be in order to understand the purpose of the video, which shows a superposition of two footages, one with and another without a missile. The RT video, based on AFP, states that the missile picture is a fabrication.

    I purposely posted a video from Russia Today, as i believe that anybody honest will recognise that Russians are excellent physicists and likely to have correct opinions on scientific or weapon-related matters.

    • Thanks: Polemos
  39. @MarkU

    @Kevin Barret said to @MarkU –

    Do you really think nuclear weapons today are the same as in 1950?

    … to which @MarkU responded –

    Spoken like a man that knows nothing of science. There are only two ways to get nuclear power, fission and fusion.

    While I’m not a fan of the secret-squirrel, smoke-and-mirrors approach to deflecting challenges, I believe Mr. Barret has the high ground on this one. There exist a myriad of natural and artificial fuels and modifiers that can be mixed to release “nuclear power” in the form of energetic particles and radiation, whether from fission or fusion or a combination thereof.

    The parameters of any physical phenomenon can be engineered, and there’s been quite a while since the first primitive atomic fireworks were let off over Japan. It’s not inconceivable that devious minds have produced all manner of ingenious nuclear devices that tailor their output to suit specific objectives since then.

    The so-called “neutron bomb”, which has a low-blast & high radiation / particle-emission profile, was developed many, many years ago – specifically to achieve a high localized kill rate with minimum building & infrastructure damage. Such devices were allegedly “tested” by elements of the US forces on the Iraqi population during the post-911 “freedom & democracy” campaign. Photos of the victims attested to the efficiency and effectiveness of these devices.

    The last French nuclear tests in the Pacific allegedly perfected the use of Red Mercury as a purely chemical primer for miniturized fusion bombs, thereby eliminating the need for a fission trigger with the attendant “dirty” fallout issues.

    Who can say what innovations have been accomplished by those with the motives to do so, since then?

    I’m not asserting that anyone nuked Beirut over the last little while – the evidence so far doesn’t compel that conclusion. At the same time, that doesn’t mean that the capability to do so, and make it look otherwise, doesn’t actually exist.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  40. MarkU says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    There is no nuke that lacks all the features I listed and there won’t be in the future. Energy and particles are what you get from nuclear reactions and that is that. They all work on the same basic principal, you are getting the radiation whatever. Like I already said, you have fission and you have fusion, there are no other options available.

    To sum up.

    1) We don’t need a nuke or any significant extra explosive, we already have 2,700 tons of explosives.
    2) The nuke we don’t need anyway would have to be something that somehow works according to totally unknown physical principles.
    3) We are also being asked to believe in a missile which is both unnecessary and very risky. A crude time bomb in the fireworks warehouse would do, any remotely triggered device (or even a match as someone already said)
    4) We are told “you can’t fake infra-red” an utterly stupid statement in this day and age. The pictures do not even look like infra red, they look more like doctored negatives.

    The hypothesis is garbage from beginning to end, it has no virtues, it explains nothing.

    • Disagree: Tommy Thompson
  41. @Corvinus

    Yes.

    Go go Veterans Today site. The information he presents is absolutely conclusive. Smoking gun.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  42. @Corvinus

    Again, No, you say, when the correct response is: Yes.

    Look at Giraldi, “Horror in Beirut”, and go to Comment 119 there. It has a link to veteranstoday, to a Gordon Duff audio. Listen. Mountain of referenced evidence that Israel nuked Beirut. Smoking gun.

    There was no war, no battle, yet Israel nuked Beirut.

    Changes everything. Israel must go.

    • Replies: @Frankie P
  43. @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin, I haven’t listened to your audio. I only read. Very sorry you don’t provide a transcript. You make an involved case against that here … let’s skip that.

    But strangely, I had followed a link provided by our Tommy Thompson in a comment to Giraldi’s article, a link to VT, to audio, Gordon Duff directly, and was intrigued enough that I did listen for a change. Was totally convinced by Duff that Israel did nuke Beirut.

    So I tried to listen to yours but it wandered around a bit. Gave up after a minute or two.

    I guess we have different mindsets, you smart, me dumb, but it would add much to your effort if you made the additional effort and provided a transcript.

  44. @Iris

    Sorry but we know who controls Agence France Presse, they have a job to do and are well paid to do it. Nobody really takes MSM seriously unless they put their eggs on the tables for an open discussion.

    Dear Iris #17, how did AFP prove the missile strikes as fake, I would like to know their arguments and evidence.

    Proper journalism would require AFP to call VT and question them about the photos, and or demonstrate how VT would have doctored the photos and give them the opportunity to reply. The age of serious journalism is long over and most news media is just propaganda, pushing a line for their owners or masters, also called psy ops by those with more govt work experience like the VT people.

    The point made by VT’s Gordon Duff was that numerous photos and video clips caught the missile object in flight upon photo analysis. His point being that is difficult to fake.

    We understand that many commentators that keep appearing have a job to do, that is to limit damage control and obsificate the issue and event. The missile strikes and mini nuke on top of a warehouse with some Ammonium Nitrate at this time are the most plausible argument that best integrates and ties the available physical evidence and as explosions can be scientifically analyzed .

  45. @MarkU

    MarkU 41 says

    To sum up.

    1) We don’t need a nuke or any significant extra explosive, we already have 2,700 tons of explosives.
    2) The nuke we don’t need anyway would have to be something that somehow works according to totally unknown physical principles.
    3) We are also being asked to believe in a missile which is both unnecessary and very risky. A crude time bomb in the fireworks warehouse would do, any remotely triggered device (or even a match as someone already said)
    4) We are told “you can’t fake infra-red” an utterly stupid statement in this day and age. The pictures do not even look like infra red, they look more like doctored negatives.

    the above are just the rantings of your opinions, ignoring the data and facts so far collected. The IAEA rad spike after the event is to be ignored? That data is so damning that actually nothing else is needed to claim a nuking event, small as it might be.

    All nukes, mini or not give off some short or long life decay particles, non-naturally occurring nuclear isotopes. You cannot dismiss a nuke event until you collect the residual samples from day 1 even till day 30 and analyze them. Cut your fake scientific arguments. This web site is just full of Trolls doing damage control and disinfo activities for reasons that are clear, the world is not ready to accept what VT is saying about this or other nuke type events, as that is a major game changer to our world view and may raise demands that so called world leaders do not want to deal with in the open.

    We understand why govts including the Lebanese govt may want to go quiet on this the missle/mini nuke strike verdict. They surely have their radar readings and other ground/air chemical samplings of the site and are also sure to have gathered satellite data by now. If such an event was soley due to AN, they can conversely use this same data to demonstrate that their was no missile strike/ mini nuke event. They have not.

    They go quiet and place blame on themselves for a partial narrative of an AN causation, ignoring the real origin of the explosions (missile/mini nuke attacks), because they simply cannot protect their people from the lunatics that have amassed these weapons. Therefore they seek to calm the situation rather than raise tensions further for fear of even greater escalation leading to even broader devastation. Lebanon is now devastated and in dire shape, they cannot afford more of the same.

    Israel got their message across loud and clear to the Lebanese decision makers and feckless leaders around the globe and are now waiting to reap the benefits of their action. It seems like they are succeeding as the Lebanese government is in disarray and collapsing.

    This is what governments do, they control the narrative in order to drive their policies forward, whether we like their agenda or not. As VT likes to say, Welcome to the Real World.

  46. Corvinus says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “Go go Veterans Today site. The information he presents is absolutely conclusive. Smoking gun.”

  47. ca says:

    From everything I have seen to date, no radiation has been detected. Doesn’t it make more sense that it was not a nuclear attack, and instaed was supreme incompetence by the Haariri people, or sabotage?
    Has anyone, anywhere detected any radioactivity in amounts over background levels?

  48. Sparkon says:

    Gordon Duff squandered a lot of his previous credibility with his support for the attacks on Libya, and also with his summary deletion of virtually all of Jim Fetzer’s VT articles. And Duff has allowed that some of what he writes is rubbish in order for him to stay alive.

    Perhaps I’m mistaken, but my impression is Managing Editor Jim Dean came to VT with a bagload of typos in one hand, run-on sentences in the other, and began diminishing VT’s previous credibility, along with Duff’s gaffes. The masthead at Veterans Today now claims it is “Serving the Clandestine Community.” Indeed. They also serve who fib.

    Here’s what they say at VT about Duff:

    Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War. He is a disabled veteran and has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades. Gordon is an accredited diplomat and is generally accepted as one of the top global intelligence specialists. He manages the world’s largest private intelligence organization and regularly consults with governments challenged by security issues.

    Duff has traveled extensively, is published around the world and is a regular guest on TV and radio in more than “several” countries. He is also a trained chef, wine enthusiast, avid motorcyclist and gunsmith specializing in historical weapons and restoration. Business experience and interests are in energy and defense technology.

    And about Dean:

    Jim hails from an old military family dating back to the American Revolution. Dozens of Confederate ancestors fought for the South, uncles fought in WWII and Korea and his father was a WWII fighter pilot. Vietnam found several uncles serving, a cousin, and his brother Wendell as a young Ranger officer, whom Agent Orange claimed in 2005.

    His mother was a WWII widow at 16, her first husband killed on the SS Paul Hamilton with over 500 troops and 7000 tons of explosives aboard when it was torpedoed off the coast of Algiers, April 20, 1944. She was recently buried in Arlington National Cemetery as a Gold Star wife and Gold Star Mother in his empty memorial grave.

    In other words, beyond his ancestors, father, mother, brother, uncles, and cousins, Dean himself has no qualifications beyond his family’s shirttails. At least Gordon Duff was a grunt in Vietnam, who drinks wine, rides motorcycles, shoots guns, and fancies himself both chef and intelligence expert, but Jim Dean just showed up one day out of the blue, and took over. Maybe Kevin Barrett could shed some light on the process.

    Recently, another writer at VT – Ian Greenhalgh – penned an article to the effect that FDR really was completely surprised by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, with Duff chiming in his support, but now I can’t find that article over there.

    Once VT maintained a list of its writers, and it wasn’t difficult to track down a previous article, but now the Featured Writers page is blank, and VT’s website is a mess.

    After some roundabout searching, I managed to track down the article:

    Search Results
    Web results

    No, FDR Did Not Know The Japanese Were Going To Bomb …

    http://www.veteranstoday.com › History

    Aug 3, 2020 – Few in the US today even realise that FDR saved their nation from collapse, that his … Seventy-five years after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, some … Ian Greenhalgh is a photographer and historian with a particular interest … were WW II vets and they all drank at the local saloon – they treated like a …

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/03/no-fdr-did-not-know-the-japanese-were-going-to-bomb-pearl-harbor/

    [my bold]

    But Greenhalgh’s article at VT has been deleted, and following the link yields only a 404 error. It’s no great loss because the article was complete rubbish. Nevetheless, sending it down the memory hole is a rather devious maneuver, but one possibly all in the interest of “serving the clandestine community” by spreading BS, and then pretending you didn’t say it.

    Using the Wayback Machine, I finally tracked down the VT page that featured the article. Scroll down for the headline, but the article itself has been completely flushed:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200805210150/https://www.veteranstoday.com/

    You must need friends in low places for that kind of effectiveness.

    Now VT shamelessly publishes bogus, but debunked missile videos and still images of birds from the Beirut blast as support for the theory that Israel nuked the warehouse.

    It is still impossible to rule out some kind of sabotage in the Beirut blast, but in my view the more likely explanation is still a tragic accident as a result of malfeasance, incompetence, and stupid mistakes.

  49. @MarkU

    Like I already said, you have fission and you have fusion, there are no other options available.

    I don’t think anyone in this forum is suggesting a “third” source of nuclear energy – the “nuclear” term predefines the presumption that we are dealing with either building or dismantling atomic nuclei.

    However, I do believe you’re being a little dogmatic with your insistence that nukes only come in one flavour. To draw an analogy, with black powder you can manufacture a stick of dynamite, or maybe a skyrocket, or even a roman candle sparkler, all with significantly different purposes and correspondingly different temporal and spatial characteristics.

    I would have thought the example of neutron bombs sufficiently illustrated this. They’ve dialled up the radiation output sufficient to snap-fry (actually, cremate) organic entities while reducing the blast effect to a level that is not sufficient to damage building structures.

    The parameters of any physical process can be engineered to approximate desired results.

    As for your summary –

    1) We don’t need a nuke or any significant extra explosive, we already have 2,700 tons of explosives.

    I agree, a nuclear device is not necessary to account for the observed event.

    2) The nuke we don’t need anyway would have to be something that somehow works according to totally unknown physical principles.

    No, just more advanced engineering than most of us are aware of so far. Never speak in absolutes, and never say never. And never underestimate just how little we actually know, or how much of what we think we know is not the whole truth. It’s not necessary to assert that the posited nuclear device can’t possibly exist, to conclude that such a device wasn’t necessary to permit the observed event.

    3) We are also being asked to believe in a missile which is both unnecessary and very risky. A crude time bomb in the fireworks warehouse would do, any remotely triggered device (or even a match as someone already said)

    Agreed.

    4) We are told “you can’t fake infra-red” an utterly stupid statement in this day and age. The pictures do not even look like infra red, they look more like doctored negatives.

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. The pictures don’t just look like doctored negatives, they ARE negatives of doctored images. No forensic scientist needed, just copy and paste the images into any decent graphics program and take the negative – voila! A perfect blurry original image with pasted missile in sharp focus.

    The hypothesis is garbage from beginning to end, it has no virtues, it explains nothing.

    Who knows what the characters at Veterans Today are trying to prove? Maybe it’s an ego thing.

  50. Tony says:

    Lets just say Duff is full of shit and so is Barrett.

  51. Frankie P says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Changes nothing.

    The Resistance has been saying Israel must go for years. The demographics of the ME, the decline of US global hegemony, as well as the buildup of modern missiles and armed drones by Israel’s sworn enemies are all moving towards making it a reality.

    The Resistance has patience and resolve, the Palestinians endless Sumud.

    The day is coming.

  52. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    The issue of whether it was nuclear / missile etc. is all a distraction from the key question:
    what happened? The accident theory has too much contradictory rubbish and it was all constructed by media within 12 hours. It is clearly sabotage of some kind. There are many ways to blow things up, especially if one can arrange for a mystery shipment of cargo to sit there for years.

    The length of the time it was there is also a distraction. Millions of tons of ammonium nitrate are sitting in warehouses and ports around the world right at this moment en route to their destination.
    Clearly it sat there safely for most of 7 years except for 20 minutes.

    All previous AN accidents occurred in confined spaces (ship cargo hold) or in factories or in truck crashes. Other elements (e.g. dynamite in Germany, slurry in Tianjin) were present.

    Bellingcat is a disinfo agent.

    The haste to claim it was an accident when normally these investigations go on for YEARS is also a huge red flag.

    Not only did the media proclaim it an accident, they found a culprit! With no evidence.

    • Agree: Iris, Polemos
  53. I can solve the HCQ paradox for Gordon. HCQ is not going to be very effective in the ICU. You want it in the fridge. You want it in the fridge for when you get that first tickle in the back of your throat. You don’t want to wait until the patient is almost dead to foist another poison onto them.

    You want to get the HCQ protocol to your friends that are self-isolating and having some lung difficulties, but are not yet hospitalised. Thats the target group. What do we do when we go to the ICU then? I suspect high-dose IV vitamin C would be the shot in that context. Hard to know when the campaign of treatment denial is so strong.

  54. Actually thats what makes this virus so tricky. You need to do different things at every stage of the problem. You want to be loading up on fat soluble vitamins ahead of time. With mega-D3 as the key active ingredient. Then you want zinc ionophores, zinc and selenium (including maybe HCQ or Ivermectin) when you first catch it ….. Then the nasty little critter starts causing clotting and all kinds of other problems. Hence Gordon talking about blood thinners and steroids and such.

    So there needs to be a lot of flexibility here. Thats where the HCQ conflicting information is coming from. The terrorists got ahead of matters and started concocting a lot of studies that were designed to fail, since they were using the HCQ at an inappropriate stage. This in the context of never having a gold standard test.

  55. Gorden Duff the Dis-Info Agent who thinks that Dr Fauci has got our best interests at heart.
    Can not listen to this guy or even read anything that he writes.
    VT with “Millions” of readers, ya right!
    Don’t let me start on Mrs Duff with her misguided “Health” cut and paste article jobs or the “Angry Man” Ian Greenhaigh.

    The best thing that you can do Kevin is leave VT.

  56. camus10 says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Agree
    you cant pass over anything when published by THE real Kevin Barrett and Gordon Duff. with fake news abounding. their sources are resilient

  57. camus10 says:

    covid must-read. agree with Duff on many issues, but not HCQ
    https://aapsonline.org/physician-letter-reopen-america/

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