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Time for some seasonal interfaith dialogue: E. Michael Jones, editor of Culture Wars, discusses “the war on Christmas.” Some questions to ponder:

Is Fox News right about the “war on Christmas”?

Should we all endorse the Church of the Open Borders revision of the nativity, with José and Maria as undocumented immigrants pursued by Trump/Herod?

Are Jewish-Americans traumatized by growing up thinking that Dr. Seuss’s archetypal Christmas villain, the Grinch, is Jewish? (Even though JewOrNotJew says he’s not.)

Is it true that nearly 30% of respondents say Santa Claus should transition to female — or just become gender-neutral? And what does that say about our culture?

Does Walmart really sell Christmas jumpers showing Santa doing cocaine?

Where did the bizarre and seemingly unlikely story Amazon pulls Auschwitz-themed Christmas ornaments come from?

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Political Correctness, War on Christmas 
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  1. bjondo says:

    War on Christmas/Christianity/Christ?
    Silly.
    Just hear these seasonal favorites:
    White Christmas, Santa Baby, “No, the Nativity is not allowed”.

    Almost forgot this hidden gem:
    The Greatest Story Overtold/The Divine Mr. J /The Thorn (1971/1974)

    5ds

  2. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    https://religionnews.com/2018/12/04/evangelical-retailer-john-wanamaker-built-fortune-by-blending-faith-with-business/

    During his lifetime, John Wanamaker built two megachurches.

    One tried to save souls.

    Another sold clothes, jewelry and perfume.

    And the two worked hand in hand, said Nicole C. Kirk, an assistant professor at Meadville Lombard Theological School in Chicago and author of “Wanamaker’s Temple: The Business of Religion in an Iconic Department Store.”

    Wanamaker believed “his business interests and his religious interests were not in conflict,” said Kirk, and he could integrate the two without compromise.

  3. Rebel0007 says:

    Addng yet another overlord to oversee the various branches of government would likely lead to the corruption of the overlord. Think police, FBI, CIA, NSA. It just keeps adding another layer, protecting the corrupt core, reeking of corruption, like a rotten onion.

    Theocracies are run by men, not God, and therefore are subjected to the exact same problems that anyone in power faces.

    In Iran, The ruling clerics have prevented certain individuals from running for office simply to protect their own power, the exact same way that the DNC recently tried and is trying to prevent certain candidates from getting the primary nomination.

    Israel is a theocracy, although disputed by Peter Simpson, and has resulted in a tremendous amount of bloodshed in its conquest for more land for Jewish people. Israel says that it is a Jewish state, and insists on Palestinians asserting that Israel is a Jewish state.

    What would help is if religious institutions were given more latitude, as they originally had bedn granted in the amendments, particularly the first amendment. Nothing in the first amendment limits the free speech of religous leaders. The seperation of church and state does not prevent religious leaders from criticizing sacreligious acts committed by politicians and governments.

    After the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was instituted, income tax was also instituted, so that the interest could be paid to the Federal Reserve. Churches and charities were to remain tax exempt. Later, very specific guidelines linited the free speech and press of religious leaders and institutions. One of the most notable cases was against the founder of The Rutherford Institute.

    • Agree: SBaker
  4. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:

    The idea that Christmas is politically incorrect seems to be an American thing, in the UK and Europe as a whole no one hesitates to refer to Christmas as “Christmas” (or equivalent word in other languages) and anyone who insisted on referring to Christmas as “the holidays” would be considered a total fool, even by most leftists.

    The anti-Christmas agenda really seems to be exclusively an American thing. There’s lots of left wing stupidity in Britain and Western Europe, but Christmas has remained largely unaffected so far.

  5. Jesus would probably declare a war on Christmas, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and so on.

  6. There is no “War on Christmas.” That is a direct obvious, cannot be refuted, copyrighted Fox news meme, you pathetic chucklehead suckers.

    • Troll: Saggy
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    , @SBaker
  7. @Anonymous

    Christmas would be worth saving if it returned to being about the winter solstice instead of made-up, commercialised nonsense that degrades anything and everything that is true and worthwhile about real Christianity.

    Christmas serves to begin lying to children and preparing them to go on accepting ever bigger lies and silly nonsensical stories.

    Almost all of the symbols of Christmas are connected to the winter solstice which is all the more ridiculous in the Southern hemisphere where Christmas winter traditions are honoured in the searing heat of mid-summer.

    Christmas serves to create a false belief in an anthropomorphic God and is actually blasphemous, taking people out of what Kahlil Gibran referred to as “life’s procession” and away from any real understanding of God.

  8. Most observers of the Christian Right understand ‘Christians United for Israel’ (CUFI) as an Israeli front group. Indeed, it is run now by Shari Dollinger an Israeli national and veteran of the Israeli foreign ministry in New York.

    Less well known are the triad of non-profits associated with the Steele dossier financier Paul Singer, and the criminal espionage activities of the Wexner-Jeffrey Epstein foundations that partner with Roger Hertog’s The Tikvah fund. These include the Israeli CJCUC, the Center for Jewish Christian Understanding of Israeli Mossad David Nekrutman, with Pesach Wolick,i funded and directed in part by the Anti-Christian Israeli DFM Tzipi Hotovely.

    Basically there exists layers of non-profit groups like CJCUC, and Israeli Dan Senor’s The Philos Project, with Mark Tooley , CUFI, and others, that are funded by Wexner, Hertog, Singer, and the Israeli Foreign Ministry operating openly in the USA to interfere in the 2020 elections, and fund the impeachment of the President

    One of their major targets in this criminal conspiracy is the liberal Mainstream Protestant denominations , and in particular the United Methodist Church: They are also infiltrating evangelical seminaries and in fact fund the intellectual magazines of the right, including First Things, in a broad foreign influence operation attempting a second Protestant reformation of sorts.

    There is reason to believe then, that at every facet of Christian intellectual life today, there exists a hidden hand of foreign Anti-Christ involvement; the so-called J-coup of Rick Wiles of TruNews then being an understatement of the problem.

    Documented in detail with legal and organizational analysis here:

    https://wesleyancovenant.education/docs-pdfs/tikvah-wexner-epstein-umc.pdf

    ____________________

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @SBaker
  9. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Singer Roger Hertog

    deserves repeating

    One of their major targets in this criminal conspiracy is the liberal Mainstream Protestant denominations , and in particular the United Methodist Church: They are also infiltrating evangelical seminaries and in fact fund the intellectual magazines of the right, including First Things, in a broad foreign influence operation attempting a second Protestant reformation of sorts.

    There is reason to believe then, that at every facet of Christian intellectual life today, there exists a hidden hand of foreign Anti-Christ involvement

    the so-called J-coup of Rick Wiles of TruNews [is] an understatement of the problem.

    https://www.trunews.com/stream/jew-coup-seditious-jews-orchestrating-trump-impeachment-lynching

  10. Christianity was targeted in the 18th Century.
    The Sabbateans, Weinhaupt et al began penetrating the Roman Catholic Church in Central Europe. They have done a thorough job. Look at the current Pope. Does he indicate a healthy Catholicism? He looks and talks like a degenerate.
    America must have been really easy to subvert after cracking European Christianity. Now we have Bishop’s promoting homosexuality to make the Church ‘inclusive’.

    The West badly needs a moral leader. We have no leadership of any integrity left in the West. It has all been corrupted or destroyed.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  11. @Anonymous

    Probably the reason is that Jews are a much smaller minority in Britain, about 0.5%, as opposed to maybe 2.5% in the US. Also, America has Hollywood. The taboo against wishing Merry Christmas and, by extension, presuming an interest in Christmas specifically, rests on the claim that it is offensive to non-Christians, and who knows whether the person you’re addressing is non-Christian? But in truth, the only people offended are Jews and maybe a tiny number of militant atheists.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  12. @bjondo

    Islam is a Christian heresy. It is an evil sytem that destroyed the Caucasians of North Africa. Over 95% of Muslims are black/Asian. I don’t care about Islam and it is not related to Christianity.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  13. @attilathehen

    And Christianity is just worshipping a dead Jew on a stick.

    Islam is a much superior religion and Europeans should think of converting.

    • LOL: Biff
    • Troll: attilathehen, Dumbo
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @jack daniels
  14. @jack daniels

    Is it even a real thing in the US though, it seems news channels like Fox like to exaggerate culture war stories to bait the reactionary types. it was the news media that turned the transgender meme into such a widespread phenomenon. transgendered and associated pressure groups certainly existed for decades but they really became prominent over the past decade or so mostly due to “right-wing” news media running clickbait stories on them to ensnare readers into spending their time writing angry comments and boosting site engagement levels.

    In fact I personally have never seen a tranny in real life despite hearing about it what seems like constantly on the news these days, perhaps the same is the case for this “war on Christmas”? Have you ever experience anyone getting offended by the phrase “Merry Christmas”? In your personal life?

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @John Arthur
  15. Saggy says: • Website

    The war on Christmas has been going on for at least 25 years:

    Religious symbols and forms of expression that the Jews find threatening have been almost completely eliminated from schools and other public institutions. Suits brought by the ACLU, an organization whose leadership and membership are predominantly Jewish, secured federal court decisions banning officially sanctioned prayers in schools and creches and other religious displays in parks and public buildings

    from “The Fatal Embrace, the Jews and the State” by Benjamin Ginsburg, David Bernstein Political Science Professor at Johns Hopkins (1993)

  16. SafeNow says:

    Actual observation: Airport luggage carousel. A kid arrives home from college, met by dad. Handshake, how was your flight, it was fine. End of conversation, kid gets on smartphone, probably arranging visits with old friends that will get him out of the house ASAP. Dad left standing there to watch for suitcase. Somewhat off-topic, but I nominate the smartphone as an affront to Christmas.

  17. Dumbo says:
    @Just passing through

    And become dumb mongrels like you? No thanks.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  18. @Dumbo

    If you refrained from cousin marriages, your progeny and thus society’s succession would not become retarded, currently there is a racial hierarchy in Islam with Arabs being on top, no Arab would actually marry a Black simply because they share a religion, so no chance of mongrelization either.

    Only Christcucks will disagree with the assertion that Islam is a superior religion to Christianity.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  19. The lesson is that if Herod had adequately secured his border with Egypt then his slaughter of < 2 year olds would not have been in vain and the trouble makers family would certainly not have been able to return to Palestine had they escaped,

    Borders matter,

  20. Hossein says:

    Commercialization of Christmas and turning it into a shopping and boozing holiday is one of the worst that has happened to this event that is supposed to celebrate and honor the birth of man who lost his life on behalf of the poor , oppressed and the unwanted.

    Merry Christmas.

  21. Dumbo says:
    @Just passing through

    If Arabs never mixed with Blacks, it’s a mystery how most of them got so racially mixed… Maybe the Koran explains… And if you love Islam so much, then go live in the amazing Saudi Arabia or Egypt and leave us European people in peace. Idiot.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  22. @Dumbo

    Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers — already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing was Christianity ! — then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.

    You should listen to what Adolf Hitler had to say about Islam.

    Islam is much superior to Christianity, this is why Islam is taking hold of Europe, despite its adherent bring mostly non-White. It is because it inculcates a warrior spirit within its followers not present in the meek and flabby Christian belief.

    You simply cannot handle the truth.

    • Troll: Dumbo
    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Dumbo
  23. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    2020 is Year Zero. We will win.

    The RCC has collapsed. Homo priests and diversity are the causes. Christianity is not dead. The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches will be the future.

    We will get our 300. I do know that KB and EMJ will not be a part of saving the West. KB degenerated when he married a Moroccan Muslima and converted to Islam. He and his family will be sent to Morocco.

    EMJ is so possessed by his insane anti-Semitism that he is revealing what he truly believes is the best form of government. Just listen to first 2 minutes: https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_peter-simpson-on-why-theocracy-is-better-than-secular-liberalism/ Of course, if black/Asian priests-popes are in his Catholic theocracy, that will be just peachy. I have no interest in visiting low IQ Iran, but I have been to Israel (went for Christmas) and saw how Muslim Palestinians live and act. Muslim Palestinians have an average IQ of 84. 90% of them have black ancestry. The Christian Palestinians are Caucasians with average IQ of 100. When I was among Jewish Israelis and Christian Arabs, I had no problems. When I ventured to close to a Muslim area, I could see that there would be trouble. EMJ must have been reminded of the Catholic nuns of his youth when he saw Iranian women shrouded in black chadors.

    He does present a historical narrative that is useful, but it always ends with him blaming Joooooz. He refuses to deal with the fact that homo priests have taken over the RCC and that there are no Jooooish priests, bishops and cardinals. He refuses to deal with the fact that pope Frannie must make two statements concerning Judaism and Islam: that present day Jews are not the chosen and have no covenant with God and that Islam is a Christian heresy.

    EMJ babbles about Hannukah becoming a “holiday.” He fails to mention that Catholic priests in America do not defend Christianity or state that Hannukah is a made-up holiday created by jealous Jews because of Christmas. Approximately 60% of American Catholic priests are homos and are busy with getting gay marriage approved by the RCC. Catholic priests are not teaching RCC moral doctrines.

    He babbles about usury but fails to mention that there were laws in America against excessive usury. They’ve been struck down and so now we have the banking problem. Cucked American Christian males refuse to deal with this issue.

    EMJ babbled about the excessive commercialism of Christmas. Gifts are given because of the 3 Wise Men who gave gifts to Baby Jesus. It is up to the churches and parents to teach what is the proper way to give gifts.

    EMJ wants the government to enforce morality. Morality comes from the culture. Parents and churches are not doing their jobs.

    EMJ and Styx666 recently debated about pornography. EMJ wants it banned. Styx666 is a nutty libertarian occultist cuck, but I do agree with him on limiting the size and scope of the government. The Orthodox writer Matt Raphael Johnson said that what kept him away from porn was his Christianity and his knowledge of the abuse women and men suffer from producing porn. We need to start here. In November, squirrelly men gave up nuts to deal with their porn problem. We need to build on this.

    Just for the sake of argument, I might agree with a ban on porn with one condition: that we teach about IQ and its relation to race. EMJ refuses to deal with this reality. We know from his trip to Iran how he really thinks. Listen to EMJ but be wary of him.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  24. You should listen to what Adolf Hitler had to say about Islam.

    Also Napoleon.

  25. Dumbo says:
    @Just passing through

    I’m not German, I don’t give a flying F about what Hitler said or didn’t. He was an idiot, but of course not as much as you. I thought you were just passing through? Goodbye.

  26. VFY says:

    Antisemitism is a myth.

  27. @attilathehen

    I have no interest in visiting low IQ Iran,

    Wise decision, attilathehen.

    The rope-pattern blue trim that defines the arch at the entrance to the 40′ tall Jameh mosque in Isfahan, was fired in place — technology created on the scene over a millennia ago by a bunch of low IQ mudslingers.
    As for the precision of geometry — hell, it doesn’t take a genius to make complex arches come together.Don’t waste your time on the short-bus crew.

    The caravansaries that punctuate the Silk Road at roughly 50 km. intervals across forbidding desert are little more than massively gated and walled forts surrounding a well-head where travelers of all rank, ethnicity and creed found shelter for themselves, their animals and their goods, and passed the night sharing the stories of their diverse places and cultures of origins. Some people say that’s where the Bible was born, but there’s no doubt in my mind that the darkies that undoubtedly sheltered in those places would have disturbed your sense of propriety and failed to measure up to your IQ demands.
    Stay away!

    About that well-head inside the caravansaries: another monument to low IQ Iranians — imagine, digging tunnels at carefully calibrated depths and slopes to flow scarce water to collecting points to satisfy basic human needs.
    Primitive.
    Better off visiting Disney World where the High IQ techies whisk garbage away to the tune – the relentless tune — of When you Wish upon a Star.

    Speaking of stars — it was Persians — the Magi — who followed the star to Bethlehem and found the babe in the arms of his mother, Mary, sheltered in a manger. Persians figured out how to navigate by the stars early on– the vastness of the terrain they civilized. Since their low IQ handicapped their ability to master, say, Facebook or Twitter, survival made it essential that they learn to read the book of Nature, its patterns, constancies, and vagaries.
    In fact, they were so very Low IQ that instead of exploiting their knowledge of the whereabouts of the Prince of Peace by reporting it to Herod — who would undoubtedly have rewarded them with a season on CNN at very least, they went out of their way to avoid the jealous king.
    Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
    No wonder Iran is so often on the losing end of the propaganda war.

    So congratulations on putting your High IQ to work, attilathehen, and avoiding backwater Iran.

    I wonder if Iran would be smart enough to similarly appreciate your absence from their country, or if their oft-noted hospitality would overcome resentment of your ignorant insult?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  28. @SolontoCroesus

    And yet, for all this so-called Persian intelligence, the Persians have contributed nothing to science or technology. The greatest inventions happened in the West. Who invented the car, the airplane, the train, the computer, the telephone? The list is endless. The Bible did not start in Persia.

    Before Iran was conquered by the Muslims, a large portion of the population was Caucasian/Aryan. Cleopatra was half Macedonian and half Persian. After the Muslim conquest, Asian populations began to appear in Iran and destroyed the ancient Aryan Persians. There still are some high-caste Iranians. The late great mathematician Maryam Mirzakhani was an example of this phenotype. The 3 Wise Men would have been Caucasian/Aryan. Present day Iranians are mostly Asian with the concomitant low IQ. Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons. Islam destroyed Iran.

    The Iran you wrote about is mostly pre-Islamic. Post-Islamic Iran is a shithole.

    • Agree: SBaker
  29. @Just passing through

    At a certain point I stopped saying Merry Christmas and so did the stores at the shopping center and the people on TV. I can’t say I ever offended anyone until recently when the phrase became a culture-war symbol. Sometimes lately I wish someone Merry Christmas and they answer with Happy Holidays in a way that makes me think they are responding politically. I think the phenomenon is real, but I agree that the right-wing media picks up on these things and fans the flames in order to sell journalism to righties. btw I do know a “tranny fag” as she calls herself. She says there are a lot of them in San Francisco.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  30. @attilathehen

    We’ll never know what would have bloomed in modern Iran since it has been attacked and suppressed for the last hundred years by British and American “interests” (the same group that have exploited and undermined both British and American citizens too).

    Is this just an act for you or are you really such a vile and small-minded crone that you portray yourself to be?

  31. Ron Unz says:
    @jack daniels

    At a certain point I stopped saying Merry Christmas and so did the stores at the shopping center and the people on TV. I can’t say I ever offended anyone until recently when the phrase became a culture-war symbol. Sometimes lately I wish someone Merry Christmas and they answer with Happy Holidays in a way that makes me think they are responding politically.

    Well, maybe there’s a “War on Christmas” and maybe there isn’t…

    I live in Palo Alto, and if it’s not the most liberal city in America, it’s certainly up there, while being located within the ultra-liberal SF Bay region.

    Christmas is the biggest holiday of the year here, with decorations everywhere, and numerous streets turned into “Christmas Tree Lanes.” These feature hundreds of small decorated trees lining the sidewalks, with most of the (very affluent) residents trying to each outdo one another in providing extremely elaborate and fancy Christmas decorations (though admittedly mostly of the innocuous “Santa Claus” type).

    Almost everyone around here seems to say “Merry Christmas” and the (very liberal) SJ Mercury News runs several major stories about the 40th straight year of having a huge “Christmas in the Park” celebration in downtown San Jose. One of the biggest local music radio stations KOIT switches to 100% Christmas music around Thanksgiving and keeps it up for a solid month until people get so sick of it they switch their dial to something else.

    I’m not saying there’s no “War on Christmas.” But I suspect that the Big Tech CEOs probably think it’s some sort of rightwing hoax given what they themselves see in their own daily lives…

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  32. @attilathehen

    Your response is muddled: why should Iran duplicate “the West’s” invention of the car, the airplane, the train, computer, telephone? Re-invent the wheel?
    How long did it take for the West to invent those things, and how does anyone one know who or what will be the next Black Swan?

    Nevertheless, Iran has real accomplishments under its belt, despite multiple generations of war and sanctions: Iran has developed systems of health care delivery that have been exported to USA — Louisiana, if I recall correctly.

    Iran has made significant strides in bio- and nano-technology.

    Iran is being sanctioned for reasons similar to the destruction of Germany: Iranians are inherently technologically AND intellectually capable — probably could easily surpass Israel, were it not for Israel’s importation of Russian intellectual capital and sanctions on Iran.

    The bigotry you radiate is not at all appealing. A shame that you boast of your Catholicism as loudly as you bray bigotry.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  33. @Just passing through

    No Muslim would say such a thing. And btw I doubt that Jesus was a Jew, ethnically, since he spoke Aramaic. He might have been of the same stock as the Arameans to the north. Your humor is very offensive but Christians don’t get to ban and harass insulters the way Jews do.

  34. People who don’t think there’s a war on Christmas are either dishonest or are just too young to remember what Christmas was like 40-50 years ago. It was grand, and now it’s ruined.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  35. @Just passing through

    Agreed,
    Christmas is a fairly pleasant holiday, with ever increasing commerical applications, so I really doubt this.

    The whole Happy Holidays stuff is to prevent some trivial people from getting mad, and it really doesn’t change things much. Almost everybody in America celebrates some aspects of Christmas, and it seems to be getting bigger every year.

    I do think there are pressure from some groups that the Christian aspect of Christmas should be removed, but it has already been removed largely, so no one really cares.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  36. @SolontoCroesus

    Wow, you insist on showing off your stupidity. Okay.

    Again, the only reason Iran can do a couple of things in science and technology is because they imported Western science and technology to help them develop their technology. Islamic science and Islamic technology are oxymorons.

    It did take the West a long time to invent many things. Again, it happened in the West. These inventions did not come out of Islamic, Asian or African countries. Stop culturally appropriating Western science and technology.

    The Black Swan in Iran occurred when it became Muslim. The average Iranian IQ is 84.

    I am stating facts, not bigotry. As a Christian, I have the right to call Islam a Christian heresy. The Koran is a farrago, dog’s breakfast of pagan Arab beliefs, parts of the Old Testament and Christian hearsay. Mohammed was pedo, rapist and murderer. You should reassess your devotion to this degenerate.

    If you live in the West, get out and go back to whatever Islamic shithole you came from.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  37. @obwandiyag

    There is no “War on Christmas.”

    Like many ignorant, hate-filled Christophobes, you’re apparently a War on Christmas denialist.

    Sad!

    Read, and learn.

  38. @Ron Unz

    If Palo Alto is at all typical then I am wrong. But it’s hard for me to believe it’s typical. Also, I don’t see the Big Tech CEOS as the instigators. I imagine many of them are Asians or apolitical ‘computer nerds’ who are not particularly offended by Christian symbols. Everyone I know, except for a few embittered culture-warriors, has been saying “Happy Holidays” until this year, when there seems to be a campaign to revive “Merry Christmas,” especially on the Fox network.

    To appraise this issue it is helpful to be an old geezer like myself. Anyone under 60 might not remember the pre-counter-culture period (pre-1965) when Christmas was celebrated with gusto and without shame. Looking at old issues of newspapers might be helpful. Also, many younger commenters did not experience the transition from un-self-conscious MC to defensive HH. Back in the 90s William Raspberry, an African American liberal columnist for the Washington Post, wrote a column lamenting the reluctance of people he knew to say “Merry Christmas,” some of them even resorting to the barbarism “Have a good one.”

    I love Christmas and Christmas music and I have noted over the years increasing difficulty finding it on the radio and when you do find it there seems to be a strong bias in favor of secular songs (I am not counting Bach, Handel et al. since nobody follows the lyrics.) I suppose we have decided as a nation that large private institutions must observe the separation of church and ‘state’ no less than public ones. At the stroke of midnight on Dec 25th the local stations drop Christmas like a hot potato. Admittedly, I don’t listen to the most commercial stations, since I would rather listen to Death Metal than hear once again “Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer.”

    On Christmas night the college station’s jazz show devoted itself to klezmer music and the jazz of John Zorn and Masada. Was that a political statement? It seemed like one to me. The college station also does two holiday children’s shows, one for Hanukkah and one for Christmas, but the Christmas show is usually a throw-away with the (gentile) host sending in a substitute and the material is all from a Jewish point of view, e.g. the story of how Murray replaced Santa or the story of the Jewish French hens who helped the poor man, explaining that as Jewish hens they were more empathetic than gentile hens would be. There is no mention of Jesus in the Christmas edition — so how tf do you even call it a Christmas edition?

    Let me give you an instance of an event that seemed war-like to me: Some years back the Jewish president of Dartmouth College (which is private, of course) banned the singing of Christmas carols by any student group with an exception made for “Frosty the Snowman.” I can’t imagine a gentile president banning the singing of Jewish religious songs or Muslim songs etc. But Christianity is, or was, hegemonic (95% affiliation 50 years ago) and banning carols must have seemed to him a blow against “intolerance.” It was claimed that the carols were offensive to Hindus and Muslims but the author of the article I read said that no Hindus or Muslims had complained. My experiences incline me to believe that.

    My sense is that I have read about numerous similar incidents over the years, but I could be wrong, certainly. I am not in a position to be dogmatic on the topic. In any event, it is nice to hear about the scene in Palo Alto. Two, three, many Palo Altos!

  39. @John Arthur

    Saying Happy Holidays changes everything, because one is resorting to indirect speech in order not to offend non-Christians, as if one’s holiday enthusiasm were toxic, something bordering on hate-speech. It is dispiriting to Christians but it is what the left wants everyone to believe. Has anyone ever been offended by being wished Happy Hanukkah? I certainly wouldn’t be. If I were in a country where everyone celebrated Quetzlcoatl Day and I was wished a Happy Quetzlcoatl Day I would not be offended. If instead the revelers wished me Happy Holidays as a euphemism for Happy Quetzlcoatl Day I would see that as defensive and self-conscious. America, even now, is a majority Christian country and non-Christians need to put up with the natural consequences of a majority being a majority — which most of them have no problem with.

  40. @attilathehen

    I’m Italian.

    You know, the people who borrowed al-gebra — (from the Arabic, meaning, the arrangement of the bones) — to produce the shithole of Brunelleschi’s dome and re-vitalized the myths of the Greeks to give us Botticelli’s Birth of Venus and re-vitalized the wisdom of the Greeks as depicted in Rafael’s School of Athens.

    Assigning a number to a people and culture and judging them based on that number — really, does that make sense to you? Was Brunelleschi’s IQ higher or lower than that of the workmen who climbed the scaffolding and laid the bricks that supported the dome? Were the lives of those bricklayers — whose work still stands and still inspires awe– were their lives of no meaning? After all, they are anonymous; to my knowledge there’s no list of the laborers who built the dome, matched with their IQ.

    Not sure what Italy’s average IQ is.
    I just learned yesterday that when my Mother, then ~12 yrs old, came from Italy to the USA, she imagined life would be a garden of delight that did not include school — like many in Italy’s peasant class, she’d not been in school. She was dismayed when enrollment in the Notre Dame school run by French nuns was immediately and strictly enforced (and even further saddened when she was mocked for her inability to speak English. With the help of the French nuns, she learned to speak English with exquisite diction). Mom was 16 when she graduated from 6th grade, and because the family needed her paycheck, she was not permitted to go to high school. She was 65 when she completed the GED. I guess that’s where I get my stupidity.

    I don’t think I wish to converse with you any further, attilathehen. Too many bad vibes.

    hmm. Just remembered — I traveled in Iran with a group that included a 93 year old physicist, the brother of an eminent scholar of Persian history. We visited a Persian home, built as many are around a courtyard garden and fountain. Bill commented that “the negative ions from moving water boost intelligence.”
    So one parting word of advice, attila: go soak your hen.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @jack daniels
  41. Dumbo says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Did you convert to Islam? I wonder what your mom (I presume Catholic) thinks or would think about that.

    Ancient Persia is very different from modern Iran. Even the Golden Age of Islam was very long ago and they didn’t produce anything very significant for hundreds of years. I don’t know if it is because of something intrinsic in Islam or just too much endogamy and race-mixing.

    Persians, even now, are in general more talented and smarter than Arabs, I’ll give you that. They would be doing better if they were not dragged down by Islam, by sanctions, by Israel’s enmity and by the multiple wars, occupations and revolutions that they had in recent history.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  42. @Dumbo

    No, I did not convert to Islam. Far from it.

    I traveled to Iran after becoming friends with several Iranian (Americans) whose interior gears operated differently from most Christian – Catholic – Americanish people I knew. I wanted to know what made them qualitatively different.

    On the return flight it occurred to me: at their (admittedly pre-Islamic) roots, Iranians are not Abrahamic.
    I have managed to persuade (or delude) myself that Iranians are still non- Abrahamic at the core of their individual and cultural being.

    Sadly, my Mother died — at age 85– several years before I traveled to Iran. I say “sadly” because she would have loved the journey and the culture. I don’t know if it’s just my own Mother and Father and family, or if it’s generalizable to Italians — they’re far less doctrinaire — even though cloyingly pious– about creeds and adherence to dogma than some other forms of Christian identity. (nb. Based on observation of other travelers encountered in Iran, Italians are frequent and very comfortable visitors to Iran. So are Canadians, Swedes, Germans — almost everybody! The Shah’s queen was a Francophile.)

    I’m more interested in the myths, literature and even folk tales that are the backbone of what we call religions. In the understanding of Iran that I have constructed, the Iranian people have a great unifying feature that the American people lack: Iranians have unifying epics, literature and poetry.
    One overview of Greek mythology opens with the statement, “No one worships Zeus any more, yet culture and literature is saturated with the stories.”
    I look forward — eagerly! — to the day when the so-called Hebrew and Christian bibles are understood as myths, and perhaps relegated to the ash can of history in certain parts, rather than worshiped rigidly.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  43. Boo hoo!!! Solonto Croesus doesn’t want to converse with me because I’m a meanie who gives off bad vibes. His comment no. 42 is practically hysterical and implies things about my beliefs that are wrong.

    I’m happy to know he’s Italian and it seems culturally Christian. Italians are kosher. They are Western. I am a Western Christian nationalist. I support only the groups that comprise the West – Caucasion/European, Christian. Italians have an average IQ of 105. I’ve been to Italy. My favorite building is the Pantheon.

    Solonto is getting emotional because he’s been to Iran and has some Iranian friends. He is a functional illiterate who did not understand my comment no. 30. There are some Iranians who are high-caste and if they convert to Christianity can assimilate in the West. However, this is a tiny number. There is an Iranian named Sohrab Ahrami who is the new darling of the cucked right in America. He is a former Muslim who converted to Roman Catholicism so he’s being championed by cucked Catholics. He would be classified as a Caucasian, but he married a Chinese woman. Sohran Ahrami is haram and must be sent to China, Taiwan or Hong Kong with his Chinese family.

    Pre-Islamic Iran (Persia) has an interesting history. Persia is mentioned in the Bible. Persia’s first religion Zoroastrianism is interesting. However, present day Iran is different from pre-Islamic Persia. Iran has degenerated.

    Croesus scribbles that Iran has “unifying epics, literature and poetry.” No. Muslim Iranians are trying obliterate their pre-Islamic past. This is what Islam does. He may know some intelligent Westernized Iranians, but they are the exception, not the rule.

    The West has unifying epics, literature and poetry. The West is Graeco-Roman Christian, not Judeo-Christian. Croesus needs to get in touch with his cultural heritage. The low-IQ predominantly Asiatic, Muslim Iran of today is not the place for a Western male to try to understand the world.

    Croesus reminds me of stupid Westerners who go to India searching for enlightment in order to find themselves. Ancient Aryan India was an interesting place. Their Hinduism was the true Hinduism. I’m starting to study Hinduism, but know that present day Hinduism has little to do with the original Hindu religion. As the Aryan Indians mixed with Asians and destroyed their intelligence, Hinduism also degenerated. Present day low IQ, dark-skinned Indian gurus and fakirs know little about the world and life.

    Croesus needs to focus on saving Italy.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  44. Dumbo says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I’ve never been there and I don’t think I ever will, but Iran/Persia is for sure an interesting country. I think mostly because of its pre-islamic past. But also because I think some of its long tradition of poetry, arts, etc remains, even with the prohibitions of the ayatollahs.

    For instance, many good filmmakers such as Abbas Kiarostami came from Iran – but very few from Arabic countries. Also the cartoonist Marjane Satrapi and a few writers. Also that female mathematician. Persia, like Egypt, was part of the centre of the ancient world, but it didn’t decay as much as Egypt. I think a reversion to zoroastrianism and to their mythic past might be better for them.

  45. Dumbo says:
    @attilathehen

    I’ve never understood the interest of right wing people in India and Hinduism. Kali Yuga and all that. Yoga and meditation are slightly interesting. The rest, I don’t know. I don’t even like Indian food.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  46. @Dumbo

    Exactly. The Nazis were fascinated by India because they believed that India is where the Aryan race originated. They were a little bit correct, but they were smart enough to see what race mixing did to the ancient Aryan Indians. They only met with the high-caste, light-skinned Indians.

    Yoga and meditation are different versions of stretching exercises and Christian prayers. I have no interest in Indian food. The only thing I like about India is their jewelry. I purchased a couple of pieces of Indian jewelry. It is stunning. I have no interest in going to India, but if for some strange reason I were to be in India, I would only want to see the Taj Mahal. I’ve seen pictures of their ancient temples and they are beautiful. However, you can see the degradation in these buildings as they are not maintained properly.

    I think some people on right study the Kali Yuga and other such beliefs probably for the same reason I’m doing it now. India is about 7000 years old and the ancient religions that started there are interesting. But, again, we need to study the earliest forms of their belief system.

    The only country in Asia that I would like to visit is Japan. I have no interest in China, Hong Kong or other such places. I have a sister who travels all over the world because her company sends her on business trips. She went to China, Hong Kong and Singapore. She hated these countries. I asked her why she disliked Hong Kong and Singapore because in the West we constantly hear about how advanced they are. She said the Chinese are stupid, dirty and rude. There is a superficial prosperity in Hong Kong and Singapore, but the people ruin these places. Her company sent her to Buenos Aires. She loved it. Buenos Aires is European. She hopes her company will send her to Argentina again.

    Westerners need to focus on the West and the Western diaspora.

  47. Dumbo says:

    I asked her why she disliked Hong Kong and Singapore because in the West we constantly hear about how advanced they are. She said the Chinese are stupid, dirty and rude.

    Someone I know went to Shanghai for business reasons, she thought that the city was extremely crowded and polluted, also she almost got scammed by some locals who exploit tourists. But she loved Japan.

    Her company sent her to Buenos Aires. She loved it. Buenos Aires is European. She hopes her company will send her to Argentina again.

    Argentina is one of the countries with the largest population of Italians outside of Italy. At one point early in the 20th century 30% of the population of Buenos Aires consisted of pure Italians, the rest mostly Spanish. (Argentina had few Africans so the Spanish didn’t mix so much with blacks, but more with Indians, in the provinces).

    The architecture and streets of Buenos Aires were inspired by European capitals, especially Paris, and to a lesser extent Madrid, Rome.

    Unfortunately the crisis of 2001 created a huge brain drain in the country, also in the last decades the country had a lot of immigration of indigenous people from Peru, Bolivia, etc, so the country is less European now.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  48. @SolontoCroesus

    As far as I can determine (I even wrote to one company that claims to make an IQ test that is unaffected by language, and received no reply) there is no proof that any IQ test is suitable for comparing speakers of different languages with reasonable precision. And every IQ test I have ever taken has featured numerous questions that require more than a minimal competence with English.

    I suggest that all these cross-cultural IQ comparisons are wishful thinking. I doubt Asians are really smarter or Africans really dumber. I think the whole subject is a botch, at least for now.

    Also, I once knew a guy who had a huge IQ like 200 or something, and yet I beat him at chess year after year, easily. But I don’t think he was lying about his IQ. I think the test is imperfect.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Dumbo
  49. SBaker says:
    @obwandiyag

    It’s always great to hear a Muslim pig squeal.

  50. @jack daniels

    Thanks for your concise expression of thoughts I was sputtering too much to articulate.

  51. Dumbo says:
    @jack daniels

    The test is better (and was designed) to detect those who were below average (<100) but is famously more unreliable in the higher scores. People like Feynman supposedly scored low, but there are a lot of MENSA members with high-IQs who never did anything noteworthy.

    It was also designed for anglo countries with the English language in mind so I am unsure how it works for other languages.

    So, Africans are likely (on average) dumber than whites, but that does not mean that Asians and Jews are necessarily smarter than whites. Also, blacks are creative even if not so intellectually driven. It all depends.

  52. @Dumbo

    Good points. Argentina also has a huge German population. Ex-president Cristina Kirchner’s late husband was German. She is Spanish/German.

    You are correct about the 2001 crisis. I’ve read about indigenous Bolivians and Peruvians invading the country. I hope the Argentines get it together and start expelling these groups.

  53. As we are still in the Christmas season, here are two youtubes that prove December 25 is the day Jesus was born. The nutty Christian Zionists are constantly trying to undermine December 25 and try to prove that Jesus was born in the spring:

  54. SBaker says:
    @attilathehen

    “Post-Islamic Iran is a shithole.” A good friend of many years left Iran sometime before the Shah was removed by the Muslim horde. The Shah westernized and removed the women from their klan hoods and sacks, allowed them to get an education, and to no longer be treated and beaten like useless camels. After the Muslim psychos took over with their subjugation machine masquerading as a religion, his parents and little brother were allowed to come visit relatives. When they were attempting to board an aircraft to leave, the gatekeepers took his little brother into captivity as their laws stated no young male can leave the country. Eventually Bejan’s parents did get him out after a month of psychological torture for all of them.

  55. SBaker says:
    @Paul Singer Roger Hertog

    Interesting and insightful post. There is no war on Christmas since that means the merchants would lose profits, the biggest of which is Amazon owned by Bezos, a known Semite filled with hate, especially for our President. The real war is actually against Christianity and Christians. The Muslims are slaughtering many, but in the US, the dagger in the heart of Christianity is wielded by the LGBTFQDP degenerates. With the aid of homowood, the SPLC, ACLU, the old media empire, church attendance has been driven into the cellar. Crooked lawyers, judges, and the old media are forcing churches and members into the closet while the sodomites exercise their new rights of access to our children.

  56. @Anonymous

    The anti-Christmas agenda really seems to be exclusively an American thing.

    It is mostly a commercial thing. Staff in stores are instructed to wish their customers “Happy Holidays” instead of Merry Christmas in case they offend people of other religions, or bah humbug atheists. In Britain the phrases are merged into “Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year” or just “Season’s Greetings”.

    Additionally Britain does not have a long “holiday season” that starts with Thanksgiving in late November and ends with Martin Luther King Day in mid January. So there are a total of 5 holidays in just over a month, then a long wait for the next one. In Britain it is just Christmas Day, Boxing Day, New Year and you are done.

    Another factor is that government is not supposed to endorse religion in the US. For example at the state mental hospital near me, they had decorative Christmas cards displayed on the driveway (great big ones, obviously) but they were not allowed to be religious-themed, so no shepherds or wise men, but as many reindeer as you liked. And you could have a fairy on top of the tree, but not a star.

    Santa Claus is a bit ambiguous, since Santa means “saint” in Spanish, but most people don’t know that, so he gets a pass.

    Martin Luther King Day finishes up the holiday season, and is a crafty way of getting the name of the founder of Protestantism and a monarch into the name of a secular, republican holiday.

    But if there is any really serious anti-Christmas sentiment, it is probably coming from gardeners who are fed up with Walmart converting their garden section into a Christmas decorations center some time around the end of August.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  57. bjondo says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It is mostly a commercial thing.

    Absolutely a Jew thing.

    Staff in stores are instructed to wish their customers “Happy Holidays” instead of Merry Christmas in case they offend people of other religions, or bah humbug atheists.

    Offend Jew or Jew.

    Martin Luther King Day finishes up the holiday season, and is a crafty way of getting the name of the founder of Protestantism

    For real?

    But if there is any really serious anti-Christmas sentiment, it is probably coming from gardeners who are fed up with Walmart converting their garden section into a Christmas decorations center some time around the end of August.

    Definitely a Jew. Bret Stephens?

    5ds

  58. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Christmas is the biggest holiday of the year here, with decorations everywhere, and numerous streets turned into “Christmas Tree Lanes.” These feature hundreds of small decorated trees lining the sidewalks, with most of the (very affluent) residents trying to each outdo one another in providing extremely elaborate and fancy Christmas decorations (though admittedly mostly of the innocuous “Santa Claus” type).

    A liberal elite-led War on Christmas is not incompatible with individuals continuing to try to celebrate. Most Christians double down exactly for that reason.

    One of the main ideas of the War on Christmas, if you are paying attention to the people who talk about it, is that people “take the ‘Christ’ out of Christmas.” In other words, it is the idea that the holiday is hollowed out and turned into a tacky, fake, soulless winter-thing (which women don’t mind). There are also the examples of people trying to get the mangers out of public places. I’m sure you know this, but you probably don’t care.

    From Phil Roth:

    I heard myself next praising the greatest Diasporist of all, the father of the new Diasporist movement, Irving Berlin. “People ask where I got the idea. Well, I got it listening to the radio. The radio was playing ‘Easter Parade’ and I thought, But this is Jewish genius on a par with the Ten Commandments. God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and then He gave to Irving Berlin ‘Easter Parade’ and ‘White Christmas.’ The two holidays that celebrate the divinity of Christ—the divinity that’s the very heart of the Jewish rejection of Christianity—and what does Irving Berlin brilliantly do? He de-Christs them both! Easter he turns into a fashion show and Christmas into a holiday about snow. Gone is the gore and the murder of Christ—down with the crucifix and up with the bonnet! He turns their religion into schlock. But nicely! Nicely! So nicely the goyim don’t even know what hit ‘em. They love it. Everybody loves it. The Jews especially. Jews loathe Jesus. People always tell me Jesus is Jewish. I never believe them. It’s like when people used to tell me Cary Grant was Jewish. Bullshit. Jews don’t want to hear about Jesus. And can you blame them? So—Bing Crosby replaces Jesus as the beloved Son of God, and the Jews, the Jews, go around whistling about Easter! And is that so disgraceful a means of defusing the enmity of centuries? Is anyone really dishonored by this? If schlockified Christianity is Christianity cleansed of Jew hatred, then three cheers for schlock. If supplanting Jesus Christ with snow can enable my people to cozy up to Christmas, then let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Do you see my point?” I took more pride, I told them, in “Easter Parade” then in the victory of the Six Day War, found more security in “White Christmas” than in the Israeli nuclear reactor. I told them that if the Israelis ever reached a point where they believed their survival depended not merely on breaking hands but on dropping a nuclear bomb, that would be the end of Judaism, even if the state of Israel should survive. “Jews as Jews will simply disappear. A generation after Jews use nuclear weapons to save themselves from their enemies, there will no longer be people to identify themselves as Jews. The Israelis will have saved their state by destroying their people. They will never survive morally after that; and if they don’t, why survive as Jews at all? They barely have the wherewithal to survive morally now. To put all these Jews in this tiny place, surrounded on all sides by tremendous hostility—how can you survive morally? Better to be marginal neurotics, anxious assimilationists, and everything else that the Zionists despise, better to lose the state than to lose your moral being by unleashing a nuclear war. Better Irving Berlin than the Wailing Wall. Better Irving Berlin than Holy Jerusalem!

    Why don’t we de-Judaize the Jewish holidays, so that Christians can join in? Don’t you want to make things inclusive so that Christians can celebrate with you? Why not? Are you a bigot or something?

    I guess it is we who must have our cultures hollowed out.

    We must make it safe for Jews to prance around and prove to us how intellectually and morally superior they are, and laugh at us as they demoralize us with stories of how bad we are. We must pretend to like it when we are demographically conquered by other peoples, telling ourselves that we are actually better off in a pluralistic system, even though there is not much reason to believe that.

    Instead, we have pluralistic societies where we must pretend to cheer on other races as they “flourish and multiply” as Phil Roth would say.

    Yay! Go Jews! Multiply like 1800’s Poland, run those companies, run those governments! GOoooooOOOooOOOooo Jews!

    Replace us, Jews, black people, Asians, Hispanics! Yay! This is better for us, too, to be replaced! I just love having competing populations all around me!

    I guess that is the rational mindset? Because that is pluralism. And it requires mind-fuckery to like this, which is why such a large number of countries – all across the world – insisted on unification of their peoples for so much of history. In fact, liberals in the USA are doing it today, with different races, as we see with the recent article about suburban zoning in Virginia.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  59. bjondo says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for the P. Roth quote.
    Think it is the one I was trying to find
    and supports my comment #1

    5ds

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