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Dr. Ridgley Abdul-Mumin Muhammad of the Nation of Islam Research Group discusses one of the Nation’s most famous members, Muhammad Ali, in light of the upcoming 50-year anniversary of the Ali-Frazier “Fight of the Century” this Monday, March 8.

Though Muhammad Ali won most of his fights with knockouts in the early rounds, in Frazier he finally met his match; the two fighters went the distance, and Frazier won on points. But in going the distance, Ali provided cover for the activists who broke into an FBI office and liberated to Cointelpro files:

“It was March 8, 1971, the night of Ali’s first fight with Joe Frazier, and the noise from that epic battle provided cover for the break-in of an FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania. The burglary, by eight activists who stole every file in the office, revealed the illegal spying operations that FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had organized against a broad swath of Americans, including Martin Luther King Jr. The revelations led to congressional investigations and major reforms of all intelligence agencies.” – The Intercept

Dr. Ridgely explains that the FBI’s files revealed Hoover’s fear of the rise of a “messiah” who would galvanize African-American resistance to oppression. Who were the four messiah candidates the FBI feared, what happened to them, and who wound up in the role? Tune in and find out!

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
• Category: History • Tags: Black Muslims, Blacks, COINTELPRO, FBI, J. Edgar Hoover 
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  1. polistra says: • Website

    SPLENDID interview. The part around 11:00, starting with the question “What are they afraid of?”, deserves to be written out as a column or article.

    FBI has always been afraid of people (like the Nation) who are simply trying to live a normal life. Lady Edgar was not normal, to put it mildly.

    FBI always prefers ‘activists’ who focus on ideology and violence, so FBI can infiltrate and shape the groups to make the current enemy look bad.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  2. @polistra

    Funny how a group like NOI that actually works effectively to solve problems in the black community is so reviled and censored by usual suspects and MSM, while ineffectual/counterproductive groups that take big money from Soros and other foundations get praised and protected from criticism.

  3. Sean says:

    Ali only won one big fight in the early rounds: the first round knockout of Sonny Liston. If I may digress, that ought not to have been stopped as Ali had deliberately not gone to a neutral corner so the ref was quite correct in not counting over him, and the time Liston was down was immaterial. I would note that years later Ali stood over Oscar Bonavena after flooring him and pounced on him the instant he got up, so Ali’s clowning cloaked nefarious possibilities. There are two important FACTS about Liston. First he had a longstanding serious drink problem. Second, whatever his true age was, in combination with his lifestyle it meant at the time of the phantom punch Liston could pass for a man pushing 40. Ali never scored another first round KO, and when aged 29 he fought Frazier, Ali was knocked down twice (one ruled a slip) yet was unable to floor Frazier who was being hit coming in a lot. At a couple of points Frazier could have finished Ali but was fooled by his clowning into thinking he was not out on his feet. I happen to think the young Ali (who often defended the title against men who time had passed by) is massively overrated, and the later Ali sitting down on his punches not given proper credit. Gil Clancy said what set Ali apart is he had a tremendous chin, without that he would have been ordinary.

    Frazier was from Philly with its notorious gym wars in which so many African American boxers were irretrievably diminished while winning pyrrhic victories in “sparring”. The great thing about his manager was he encouraged and protected by creating a gym for Frazier, one in which he could develop confidence withy his unique style that was so different to Ali’s style, which everyone wanted to copy. I suppose the Nation Of Islam was something similar inasmuch it was a way to get young black men out of the intrablack wars with the negativity and gangs, and demands for respect backed by an implicit threat of violence I don’t know if they succeeded, considering the internecine aspects of what happened to Malcom X.

  4. @Sean

    I agree that Ali was overrated. One of the modern day debates is how a prime Ali would have fared against a prime Tyson. Tyson’s style was basically that of a larger, faster-punching, more powerful Frazier, so I’d have to give the nod to Iron Mike here.

  5. @Sean

    Ali (who often defended the title against men who time had passed by) is massively overrated, and the later Ali sitting down on his punches not given proper credit.

    I disagree with that completely, if anything it is the reverse. When Ali was Cassius Marcellus Clay and could, with his young legs, dance the whole match all 15 rounds, he was simple untouchable. Look at his match vs the old mongoose Archie Moore(who fought in the style of Frazier), He simply could not touch him. Welterweight hand speed and footwork in a true heavyweight body is mindboggling massive advantage, and why Tyson Fury is dominating right now(except he’s doing it in a SUPER heavyweight body).

    Gil Clancy said what set Ali apart is he had a tremendous chin, without that he would have been ordinary.

    Hell the main reason we know Ali had a HoF chin is because he could not move the whole 15 rounds like Cassius Clay could, which left him open to be hit in the 1st place.

    • Replies: @Sean
  6. HenryB says:

    And I disagree with you. In 1963 a 29 yr old Henry Cooper caught up with a 21 yr old Cassius Clay and dropped him for a very long count with a devistating left hook. If the rules had been applied that night and not broken then Cooper would have been awarded the contest.

  7. @HenryB

    For sure The Groser got robbed like the bronze bomber for that fight, but make no mistake 95% of heavyweights would not have stood up after.

  8. Sean says:

    To win he had not just “dance” but throw punches, and when you throw you are in range and vulnerable if the opponent throws at the same time. This is true no matter how fast you are. The ‘dancing’ Ali pre 3 year inactivity is massively overrated (so is the Ali that never was during the 3 year lay off) . Ali had looked great but the first time he faced a comparable age (Frazier was only 2 years younger than the 29 year old Ali) and undefeated champion fighter was against Joe, who was slower, had right shoulder and vision problems, and a very obvious large height-reach and not insignificant weight disadvantage, but won. If the argument is that the pre ban Ali (‘dancing’ C.Clay) would have beat Frazier is being made. I’ll address that.

    Ali did not slip punches; uniquely, he pulled back which his superb reflexes and height let him get away with. The ‘dancing’ was actually circling the opponent, always just slightly out of distance, and exhausting him while tempting into ever wilder lunging attacks, whereupon they were met with near simultaneous counters, often an Ali right launched from low where it was out of the line of vision (how Liston was KOed). Yet, would swaying back, ever have been the best strategy for dealing with Joe Frazier, who had zero foot work or balance and stomped straight in, not bobbing and weaving, but bending over at the waist to an extent that was every bit as unusual as Ali’s ‘dancing’. With Joe’s bending at the waist (no one could do that to the extent he did with his Teletubby proportioned muscled mass around the hips) difficult to read hand milling/ head movement he took punches. but got inside where he would lean forward and put his head on the opponents chest, seemingly too close to get any steam on his punches, but that was deceptive because he was leaning forward and he had the space for throwing hard.

    I would say everyone who thinks a young dancing Ali would have been untouchable by Frazier mistakes Frazier’s unique style for brute force. In pure natural ability and physical gifts Ali was inherently superior to Frazier. However if it is a question of whose style enabled them to achieve above their level of genetic ability then Frazier takes the honors. To make an analogy to religion, the naturally (genetically) self controlled person has less need of an ethical system. Frazier when he started wanted to be a classic boxer although he did not have the genetics and it was counter productive for him to try the regular style. His coach was able to mentor him into a way that made tremendous demands (and made for near-pyrrhic victories) but let him perform at a much higher level. Blacks went wrong when blacks adopted the permissive ethos of elite whites. But the WASPs had genetic adaptations for self control that blacks lacked. A similar phenomena can be seen in the assimilation of Mexican immigrants to US cultural norms resulting in them having worse educational employment and health outcomes with every generation. In America the whites have genetic adaptations for self control. In Mexico culture does the heavy lifting. The NoI is a solution to that problem for blacks.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  9. The English/ Hungarian boxer Joe Bugner fought Ali twice and gave him a run for his money.
    One of Bugners’s early opponents (Ulric Regis) had died of brain injuries after losing to Bugner, which affected him in the ring, but he was a fine fighter.

  10. @Sean

    I disagree with the effect of the layoff. Keep in mind that Ali was forced out in mid-1967 and that Frazier rose to #1 contender maybe six months after that. In a world where Ali wasn’t suspended, he probably fights Frazier in the summer or fall of 1968. Frazier at that stage in his career was not quite seasoned enough to have handled a prime Ali, so Ali wins the easy decision here. Continuing with the alternate timeline, Ali goes on to fight and win all the way until sometime in 1973, when like in our timeline, he gets beat by an overlooked Ken Norton (the one fighter who truly had his number).

    • Replies: @Sean
  11. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    Why even waste time about a stupid sport where one negro beats the living hell out of the other. Boxing is dead and hopefully will never come back again.

  12. Sean says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I am not sure why you think the Frazier of 1968 who’d cut tkoed the crafty Machin, made ‘Iron Man’ Chuvalio quit screaming in pain with fractured facial bones and knocked the huge, mobile and highly skilled Douglas out cold would be disadvantaged at the age of 24. You are underestimating Frazier, which is something Ali also would have done and paid the price for.

    • Replies: @Hillbob
    , @profnasty
  13. JihadiJew says:

    Are you stupid or a moron or both. I have a strange feeling that As a young man you always impressed your listeners by humbly saying that “I may be stupid but I am not dumb). Your post reminds me of Thomas Paine “Where knowledge is a duty, ignorance is a crime.”. Seems you abdicated the former.

    The topic is about Nation of Islam and its impact on US politics. What Ali has to to with it as a fighter. All of a sudden you are an expert on boxing. JACKASS of All trade. I happened to, by luck, meet two Olympic Boxers who when asked mention Ali as their man. They were professionals.

    1 On March 9 the day after the fight NY Post had a front picture of the two fighter with the caption “Who won the fight?” Joe’s face all swollen up while Ali has some mark under his left eye.

    2. Ali was the most recognized person in the world (positively or otherwise), even in remote places like Tibet and areas of Nepal. According to Western media. In a remote Temple in Tibet when the reporter showed the fighter’s pictures to the monks, they had a wide smile on their face and knew the fighter. In Moscow you may run into some men wearing Ali’s T-shirt.

    3. He was very articulate and intelligent despite his mediocre education. More than you, a self proclaimed legend. No T shirt of Any American sports hero or any American for that matte with the exception of Obama where he is getting leg kick on his jaw from Putin. Yes that was on T-shirts.

    4. The guy had integrity. He sacrificed his living , fame for his principal and possible jail term in those hostile and racially charge environment. What happened to your hero Ronald Reagan, Cheney, Pat Buchanan, George W,, Frank Sinatra, John Wayne, Slick Willy, and so many democrats including Trump. The real patriots.

    5. Do you or any of your cohorts who proudly wrote Ali’s full name as Cassius Marcellus Clay to impress their reader know where and why Ali got that name?

    6. Let me help you as it would save you some intellectual efforts. Cassius Marcellus Clay was a white Kentuckian ambassador to Russia, an abolitionist who opened a college where black and white students studied together.

    7. What Ali’s skills have to do with this article’s main theme. Many old folks like feeling abandoned, loss of their power that is slipping away and forces them to become grumpy and expert on everything.
    I am ready for your kind response. Make sure to include some facts along with lot of vile.

    • Replies: @Sean
  14. Trinity says:

    Ali was indeed the greatest heavyweight of all time and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. No heavyweight around can compete with the list of opponents that Ali faced and defeated, Liston ( twice), Patterson (twice), Quarry (twice), Frazier ( twice), Foreman, Bonavena, Lyle, Young, etc., I didn’t list Norton because IMO Norton bested Ali in all three fights, Norton just had the right style for Ali but this doesn’t take away from Ali. Dempsey had Tunney, Louis had Walcott, and Marciano was taken the distance by one Ted Lowry not once but twice.

    Ali is not overrated. The most overrated heavyweight champions are: Jack Johnson, Max Baer, and Rocky Marciano IMO. Johnson and Marciano are often considered to be top 10 of all time champs, sorry but neither one are top ten all time champions.

    Most underrated champs of all time for heavyweights are: Gene Tunney, Vitali Klitschko ( I think Vitali was the better of the two Klitschko brothers), and George Foreman. Foreman should be in the top 4 of anyone’s list but because he wasn’t much of a boxer or stylist, he is often rated far too low. What Foreman did will never be replicated again. He was a physical specimen and his kind is very very rare indeed. The guy’s power and brute strength were just as much of a skill and asset as Ali’s hand and foot speed. Foreman could also take a good shot as well.

    Top 10 Heavyweight Champions of All Time

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. George Foreman
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Mike Tyson
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. Vitali Klitschko
    9. Wladimir Klitschko
    10. Evander Holyfield

    • Replies: @Sean
  15. Does it mention the slanderous ‘Anti-Defamation League’ and its vast spying operation, which provided tapes to Hoover of MLK’s philanderings? Still operating today. They do a nice job of fitting people up, too.

  16. Sean says:

    I agree Hoover misdirected resources against African American political activism; the FBI took agents off other things such as the KGB to surveil and disrupt black groups, yes that was a mistake. But it was an understandable one in view of the huge publicity in MSM the Panthers were getting. It happened again with the Mafia when John Gotti assumed preposterous proportions in the media and the FBI concentrated on the Mafia to an inordinate extent. I wonder if Giuliani realised on 9/11 that he was the one who opened the door to it with those cases using the RICO law, which was constitutionally dubious.

    Didn’t I say that Ali was the one everyone wanted to box like and that Frazier’s style was not for quiche eaters; it really was not for anyone that was not willing to die, as Frazier showed he was by getting up again and again against Foreman? Frazier lost vast sums to his sparring partners in dice games: he didn’t understand odds. One of Ali’s great grandfathers was white and Ali’s beliefs and community membership in NoI, enabled him to be more effective in the ring . He had to win to be a sucessful activist on social issues. I gave NoI full credit as a religion that helped Ali and other blacks with self control in both my comments. I also said that Frazier was more limited in natural ability and size, so his victories tended to be pyrrhic ones; yes he may well have been damaged physically more than Ali. But though he went to the body early and often took hard punches to the head doing it, he the won boxing contest against Ali in the ring, which is where it was scored. Years later, Ali was about to quit when Frazier’s corner insisted on him not coming out for the last round in Manila; when Ali got off his stool to acknowledge victory he collapsed. Frazier was a stoic mule to Ali’s high strung racehorse, which is possibly why Ali called him a “gorilla”.

    Frazier taught Ali humility, after Manila he was more likeable and spent more time on charitable work.

    • Replies: @Jihadijew
  17. Trinity says:

    At 5’11” Frazier wasn’t that much more shorter than many contenders back then. Quarry was a hair over 6′, Bonavena might have been 5’11 1/2″, Patterson was about 5’11” and not the 6′ he was listed as often. I met Patterson back in the early 1980s and we seemed to be the same height, I was probably a hair above 5’10” back then. For years before the advent of the super-heavy era ushered in by Lennox Lewis, the best heavyweights were considered to always be large men, but the super huge guys could no never carry their weight and size well and some say lacked the mean streak and quickness of smaller guys in the 6’1″-6’3″ 210-225lb range. With the exception of Foreman, Frazier did very well against big guys like Manuel Ramos and Buster Mathis, he beat a huge guy to win the gold medal in the Olympics and he bested the 6’4″ Joe Bugner when Frazier was past his prime after his loss to Foreman. The first Ali fight took its toll on Frazier, he was never the same fighter afterwards, he made two defenses of his title against low risk opponents Terry Daniels who weighed 191lbs to Frazier’s flabby 214lbs and then Frazier took on fringe contender and glorified club fighter, Ron Stander. Frazier weighed 217lbs for Stander and was even rocked briefly by the 218lb Council Bluffs Butcher. IF you watched the Daniels and Stander fight and watched how Frazier lost the desire to train properly after the first Ali fight, you knew that it was only a matter of time before someone like Foreman was going to come along and topple Frazier. Have no idea how Frazier was a 3 to 1 favorite in his first fight with Foreman.

    Frazier’s record after the Fight Of The Century was 5wins 4 losses 0 draws and 4 kos and he was stopped himself 3 times. Only the second Ali fight and Frazier’s fight with Joe Bugner went the distance and Bugner acquitted himself well with the much smaller Frazier. Frazier’s wins were against club fighters Daniels and Stander, rematches against Quarry and Jimmy Ellis and his match against Joe Bugner. Ellis was shot by 1975 and Quarry had spent a lot of time drinking and doing cocaine while touring with the rock group, Three Dog Night. Look at Quarry before the fight in his rematch against Frazier, compare Quarry’s body in that fight with his body in his first fight with Frazier, that wasn’t the same Jerry. Prior to this fight, Jerry nearly was knocked out by a small heavyweight named Joe Alexander in a tuneup bout leading up to his big rematch with Frazier. Quarry was dropped hard in the first round only to comeback and kayo Alexander in the next round.

    It was said that an up and coming Frazier also avoided an aging Liston and after the Foreman fight one could very well envision even an old Liston possibly taking out a young Joe Frazier. Frazier was staggered in his fight with Manuel Ramos, he was staggered in his first fight with Quarry where he took a lot of shots, he was floored twice by Oscar Bonavena and should have lost the decision, was staggered by Bugner and even Ron Stander put Frazier on his heels with a shot in their title fight held in Omaha, Nebraska. Stander could be seen even muscling and bulling Frazier. Frazier did not have the chin of a Marciano or even the physical strength of a 20lb lighter Marciano. He could not take a punch like an Ali or Foreman and was a notoriously slow starter. Frazier won the battle that night against Ali but he lost the war, Joe was never the same fighter again after March 8, 1971. Frazier was a great fighter but he isn’t in the same league with guys like Tyson, Ali, Foreman or Joe Louis, he was just a notch below with the Dempseys, the Marcianos, the Gene Tunneys, great but not elite.

    • Replies: @Sean
  18. @HenryB

    I remember that fight. Clay was stopped in his tracks and only the bell saved him. Luckily for him he was able to regain his senses. After that ” ‘Enery”, the latest in a long list of so-called “British Bleeders, ” was toast. There was some controversy concerning how much time was being allotted between the rounds-not the first time a fight involving Clay/Ali involved controversy either (the second Liston fight still smells to this day).

    As a kid I was a big fan of CC. It wasn’t so much that he changed his religion (to the extent that he even HAD a religion) than the fact of the race baiting and, especially, the way he treated Joe Frazier that turned me off on him permanently.

    • Replies: @HenryB
  19. HenryB says:
    @Prester John

    There was a 16 second count and Angelo Dundee used smelling salts on Clay, which was forbidden in fights in Britain but it wasn’t noticed by the officials, and bought even more time for Clay by splitting his glove. Clay had no spare gloves and so after the fight, World boxing rules were changed making spare gloves compulsory on fight nights.

    Ali had three fights with Ken Norton. While Norton won the first he lost the following two through verdicts that should have gone his way. I’m surprised this has not been mentioned. Maybe most posters are too young to remember.

  20. Hillbob says:

    Sean, seems you are very knowledgeable about boxing. What do you think of Roberto Duran?

    • Replies: @Sean
  21. Sean says:

    More technical an infighter than he is given credit for, Duran is the best lightweight, and he beat prime Sugar Ray Leonard the fastest boxer ever and the best welterweight at welterweight. At 37 Duran won a world middleweight title. All anyone can be is of their time, really, but Duran must be a top contender for the mythical pound for pound GOAT. That said, Ali Frazier 1 is for me the greatest fight.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  22. Hillbob says:

    Thanks….I agree with all you said

  23. Jihadijew says:

    My point was simple what Ali, Frazier or any boxer ‘sskills has to do with guest’s discussion. This a convenient tool in propaganda to distract the issue with trivial such as personalities. Case in point, the incident of cop kneeling on black man and killing him in the process. The issue, in my opinion was the police brutality, that it turned into race (which is true). Lot of writers on this site wrote and dug into victim’s past and his personal life. This is abuse and dis-service to their audience. I for one care less if the victim was black or a past criminal but the police power is something to be debated.

    As far Frazier making Ali humble is a delusion. Ali kept horsing around with his mouth and he paid the price when Ken Norton Broke his jaw. After that he became little bit humble or quite. You need to listen to George Forman’s comments/opinion about Ali skills. I think he is more qualified than you and you cohorts to comment on boxing.
    I realize you have the itch to write and make comment. Why dont you use that energy for some useful purposes. You mentioned Cassius Marcellus Clay, why dont you dig into that and write his services to blacks and his diplomatic efforts in Russia resulting in Czar of Russia to send two navy flotilla to US (New York and San Francisco) during civil war and threatening France and England to stay away from US internal affairs ( I could be wrong in time line). His contribution in establish a college for blacks and whites in Kentucky before Civil War. People hardly know his name. I dont see his pictures or George Brown;s in black history museum. Instead you find someone’s hat, trumpet, gloves in the museum. People think Rosa park was an old lady when she was arrested for refusing to give up her seal. No she was a young activist and not an old lady (Miss Rosa Park, she was married). A young black woman who refused to give up her seat and was arrested six months before Rosa Park. You can watch her interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy now.
    You use Irish name Sean. How about Irish slave taken to Africa or US and sold for 5 Sterlings while blacked fetched 25. All we see Green crap on St. Patrick, green beer or the dancing. That is good for business.

  24. Trinity says:

    Dude, Ali vs Frazier I was a great fight but there are many that are just as good if not better.

    Archie Moore vs. Yvonne Durele I
    Graziano vs Zale I & II
    Hagler vs. Hearns
    Foreman vs. Lyle
    Matthew Franklin aka Matthew Saad Muhammad vs. Marvin Johnson I & II
    Matthew Saad Muhammad vs. Yaqui Lopez II
    Gatti vs Ward I & III
    Bobby Chacon vs. Boza Edwards II
    Duran vs. Leonard I
    Holmes vs. Norton

    I could go and on. Frazier vs. Ali was hyped as “The Fight Of The Century” because of politics and Ali coming back, and the fight involved two undefeated talented heavyweight with two completely different styles. But there have been MANY fights that were every bit as entertaining and some arguably more entertaining than “The Fight Of The Century.” The casual fan will always say the Frazier vs. Ali first fight or maybe the Thrilla In Manila was the best fights ever. Uh, NO.

  25. Sean says:

    That Frazier is not on your list makes the whole thing silly. Frazier knocked down Norton repeatedly when Norton was Frazier’s sparring partner. I agree Foreman was a freak of nature (pre steroid era) so we will never see his like again. But Joe Frazier got up eight times from his punches before the fight was stopped so on those grounds alone Frazier was something special. Frazier had a lot of physical disadvantages, but the only people to defeat him were Foreman and Ali, who he holds a victory over when Ali was only 29. Foreman was KOed by the heat because he had trained in an air conditioned room then was unacclimated to fighting under tv light plus African heat (which also KOed juiced up Lummox Lewis BTW) . Foreman was allowed to use some very controversial tactics against Frazier in the first fight. Would Foreman have been allowed to straight arm and shove Ali like that if Ali had been champ? I don’t think so. Ali never gave Foreman a rematch. And Ali got away with a lot of holding people round the back of the neck. You have to remember its about who can beat who under a certain set of rules, when they are enforced. Holmes was good boxer, but an extremely light hitting serial thumber who finished off Scott Ledoux–and not only him–by detaching his retina.

    Dempsey was thrashed by a black heavyweight and is the most overrated boxer (not just white boxer for Marciano was knocked down by Archie Moore) of all time. He quite possibly used a knuckleduster of some kind against Willard in the first round, after which he bolted from the ring ; had Willard employed professional cornermen they’d have insisted the bell be rung for the second without delay and Dempsey would have lost by forfeit. Contemporaneous press coverage proves Willard almost immediately after the bout was in no doubt that he had been hit with something other than a boxing glove and was complaining about ‘gangsterism’ and he never altered that opinion. He also had a free floating The photographs show a suspicious amount of damage all to one side of Willard’s face. I challenge anyone to watch that contest and think there is nothing strange going on.

  26. Sean says:

    Bonavena was visibly taller than Frazier and Bonavena was certainly not six foot, therefore Frazier was no more than 5′ 10. 5”. Frazier said in his book that he hated Bonavena, but couldn’t be effective against him because because he straight armed stopped and shoved. Foreman did that too; whether Foreman ought to have been allowed to employ those tactics in a world title bout against a champion is questionable. Ali himself had tried extending a straight arm onto Frazier’s head but the ref would not let him do it; very difficult to win against Frazier if you stuck to the rules. Re Frazier–Buger, the referee of that bout Harry Gibbs said in his book that he was very impressed at how when Bugner was hurt, Frazier had stopped punching the instant he was told to, whereas many another boxer would have ignored Gibbs and hit Bugner again as he was sinking to the canvas to turn the knockdown into a KO.

  27. profnasty says:

    Thanks for all the info.
    Frazier was a great man. Ali was a big mouth.
    Ali’s military IQ test showed just north of 80. He was fun to watch, and lightening fast, but I wouldn’t listen to a word he said: A real hater of White people. No respect for him required.

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