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Dave Gahary of American Free Press wonders whether the Alex Jones and Jim Fetzer libel suits are his fault. Dave, after all, produced the viral Wolfgang Halbig interview that drew Infowars into Sandy Hook. And Dave was the original publisher of Jim Fetzer’s edited book Nobody Died at Sandy Hook. Should Dave have listened to his American Free Press colleague Michael Collins Piper? As Ron Unz reports, Piper warned early on that Sandy Hook was being used to discredit alternative media:

“The Crisis Management Conspirators mesmerized and manipulated American patriots and other skeptics via a non-stop wave of Sandy Hook ‘factoids’ that quickly spread like wildfire across the Internet. And patriot websites by the hundreds—by the thousands—were picking them up and reporting them. These legends—spawned by the Crisis Management folks—became the staple daily diet of email addicts who were eagerly helping distribute the latest Sandy Hook ‘revelations’…

“Precisely because so much disinformation was being repeated by well-meaning and entirely innocent folks, a lot of good patriots concluded that something had to be amiss with the ‘official’ Sandy Hook story or otherwise—they said—so many good patriots on so many websites and elsewhere wouldn’t be raising these questions. …”

In this interview Dave Gahary begins by describing last year’s near-death experience with COVID, then turns to Sandy Hook and the libel lawsuits that grew out of it. It turns out that his perspective is quite different from the one Ron Unz expressed during the first hour of this live broadcast.

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  1. eah says:

    I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to describe pauschal the ‘factoids’ as ‘disinformation’ — perhaps it’s better to say it was a matter of subjective judgment whether you saw things like Robbie Parker’s odd behavior (barely 36 hours after his young daughter was brutally shot to death), the unusual news conference given by medical examiner H Wayne Carver, the cryptic remarks of governor Malloy, the general absence of signs (trauma) and measures (treatment and evacuation of the injured) otherwise typical of a medical emergency (mass casualty event), the casualness and overall lack of urgency visible in much of the coverage, etc, as proof, or even evidence, that the whole thing was a hoax.

    • Replies: @Anon
  2. Zero wounded at area hospitals.

    The “conspiracy theory debunkers” can come up with a million excuses for this–but that is what they are–excuses.

    You don’t get zero wounded from a mass school shooting–you just don’t.

  3. MarkU says:

    I know that this is going to be an unpopular view but when it comes to Alex Jones and Jim Fetzer I say fuck the pair of them.

    One way to discredit the truth is to stick it on a website along with a collection of total garbage. Convincing people that 9/11 was an inside job was always going to be a tall order, the last thing the 9/11 truth movement needed was a pair of self-serving, publicity seeking, sensationalist ‘advocates’ such as Jones and Fetzer, both of which showed a willingness to print any old garbage with a conspiratorial feel to it. Whether either or both of them are really deep state agents, totally selfish individuals primarily interested in self promotion or just truly gullible dumb-arses I’m not in a position to say.

    Common sense alone tells me that if I want to convince people of something that seems implausible, the very last thing that I would do is to add extra layers of implausibility to the mix. If (say) I was trying to convince somebody of the existence of extra-terrestrial visitors, would it help or hinder my case if I simultaneously attempt to convince them of the existence of ghosts, mermaids, goblins and the tooth fairy? I think all of us (except perhaps Jones and Fetzer) know the correct answer to that one.

    Here is a conversation that you will never, ever hear…..

    “9/11 was an inside job, a false flag perpetrated by the government to enable a set of otherwise unjustifiable policies”

    “That seems quite difficult to swallow for several reasons”

    “What if I also told you that the towers were demolished by a secret satellite-based energy weapon, using totally unknown physical principles, that turns steel to dust? ”

    “Really ! Well your story seemed very unlikely at first but now you have told me that last bit it seems much more plausible now”

    A couple of decades ago now I used to email Alex Jones telling him that I liked his focus on false-flag terrorism but I had concerns about the policy of printing any old trash that came his way. I even offered my services for free (as a science graduate) to help him screen out the worst of the trash. Predictably I suppose, he never responded and I contented myself with criticising the aforementioned rubbish in the comments sections. As a result, I was blocked from the comments section (you can imagine how little sympathy I had for Jones when he was censored)

    So, deep state agents, part of the cognitive infiltration campaign?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/alex-jones-cass-sunstein-and-cognitive-infiltration/

    Or relentless publicity seekers, unaware or uncaring of the effect on the dialogue as a whole? Or just scientifically challenged truly gullible individuals?

    I don’t much care tbh, fuck the pair of them.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @profnasty
  4. Franz says:
    @Hang All Text Drivers

    Even the FBI website says there were no murders in newtown CT in 2012. How do the jones haters explain that.?

    The same way numbers on monuments have gone down for decades but the total still must be 6 million. Demographics seems to agree it’s impossible but the total still better be 6 million.

    It’s crossed into the realm of theology. Some information has nothing to do with true or false, it became a matter of dogma long ago.

    This is the most religious age in history. Not godly. Just full of Absolutes: People are fungible, whites are always racist, and so on. As the years go by it will get worse.

  5. HenryB says:

    The problem with Meryl Nass’s “…thousands of times in hundreds of labs” claim is that she never misses the chance to also include the story of her family being part of the fabled six million that went up in smoke. So we never know if she’s telling the truth or bringing the woo to the goyim.

    Does she also follow the same sick line as her former co-religionist, Dr. Zelenko, that the naughty goyim must be decapitated if they don’t swallow old Noah’s ‘what’s good for the Jews’ medicine and all bow down to Yahweh?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  6. @MarkU

    Common sense alone tells me that if I want to convince people of something that seems implausible, the very last thing that I would do is to add extra layers of implausibility to the mix.

    Folks with true curiosity and intelligence will not be distracted by side issues–and will accept the challenge to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    Folks with the debunker mentality will not believe you anyway and will just grab any excuse they can to attack you.

    David Icke is a classic example of what we are talking about here.

    Someone who wants to ignore him as a kook can just hear the words “reptilian alien” and move on….

    But–those who want to do the work and pay attention to what he has to say will be rewarded because he has many interesting ideas on things that have nothing to do with reptilian aliens.

    There is no point in trying to placate the debunkers–folks should do what they want to do and not worry about “convincing” those who most likely will not be convinced anyway.

  7. @Hang All Text Drivers

    It’s my understanding that it’s at the discretion of state police whether or not to submit data to the FBI. If this is true, I would say that for whatever reason the Ct state police chose not to submit it to the FBI. Make of that what you will.

  8. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    It wasn’t Saturday, it was Friday afternoon, the news ticker tape gives Fridays news.

    seven hours after his pretend daughter shot to pieces.

    • Replies: @eah
  9. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @HenryB

    Zelenko is a hero for all times. If he was a bundle of contradictions or deeply flawed, that would be worth knowing. But you’ve offered no proof whatsoever.

    He died on the hill for us. Would you?

    https://pathwhisperer.info/2022/07/05/this-is-our-hill-to-die-on-dr-zev-zelenkos-final-message-to-the-world/

    • Replies: @Henryb
    , @Henryb
  10. @Hang All Text Drivers

    The FBI website also lacked Osama bin Laden on its “Most Wanted” list, because they claimed to have had no evidence that he was involved in 9/11.

    • Replies: @profnasty
  11. Henryb says:
    @Anonymous

    That griffter didn’t die on any hill for me. He died in bed from heart cancer.

    Did you have a little cry?

    Watch this to the end and listen carefully…

  12. Henryb says:
    @Anonymous

    unz.com has not posted the uploaded video though it showed up when I previewed my comment above.

    See it here….


    Video Link

  13. profnasty says:
    @MarkU

    Why the long diatribe?
    Just say, ‘I believe 2 planes destroyed 7 buildings on 911.’
    Then we’d all know you’re a crank.
    Tale told.

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