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I recently debated Daniel Lazare on Press TV on the topic: Is the Anglo-Zionist Empire Behind “ISIS” Terror in Afghanistan? In this new interview we continue the conversation, extending it to include other “conspiracy theories” and related philosophical issues. Among the questions we consider: What really happened on 9/11? Who killed JFK and why? Did the FBI orchestrate the January 6 “Capitol insurrection”? Is there a Deep State consisting of top organized crime figures who cooperate as well as compete with members of a Platonic guardian class?

Daniel Lazare is a freelance journalist who has published three books on the US Constitution and government. He has written extensively about Mideast issues, and is a leading critic of the pseudo-leftist cheerleaders for the war on Syria.

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Afghanistan, Conspiracy Theories, ISIS 
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  1. walker says:

    Mr Lazare, instead of directly addressing the specific points of evidence regarding the 9-11 Inside Job Theory, elects to make metaphysical claims such as, history doesn’t work that way or that the government isn’t capable of pulling off such a thing. He even projects his own unwillingness to assess 9-11 objectively by claiming that KEVIN is biased in his assessment of the evidence by Islam.

    These types of responses indicate that he is simply unable to assess 9-11 objectively because it contradicts his mental map of reality.

    Fine, we all suffer from this in one way or another.

    But c’mon, Daniel, 9-11 was a freaking obvious hoax.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  2. J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the state police force for 48 years. There is nothing else that needs to be said about the delusion of Americans and their willingness to accept absurd propaganda narratives put forth by the various state structures.

  3. *this articulate Daniel Lazare reminds me–of the story–that Mark Twain once knew a man–who knew everything–the problem was–what he knew was not true.

  4. HenryB says:

    Daniel Lazare is far too rigid in his Marxist view of history to accept the (for Lazare) painful truth about Jacob Schiff, et al. Without getting into Schiff’s meeting with Trotsky at the Henry Street Settlemment just prior to Trotsky leaving New York, there is ample evidence for Schiff’s involvement in bankrolling the Russo-Japanese war https://www.jstor.org/stable/23880523 and his leading roll in the Abrogation of the Russo-American Treaty of 1832 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4465950 to cite just two examples of Schiff’s very real power to ‘move history.’

  5. Ian James says:

    It’s difficult to believe the most high-tech and well funded intelligence agencies on the planet could not engineer the events of 9-11, but one man in a cave, with a cell phone, managed to make history.

    • Replies: @Walker
  6. In the now over 20 years since the 9/11 Big Lie of September 11, 2001 there has been ZERO evidence presented which solidly connects Osama Bin Laden to the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and Building 7 and mass murder on that day..

    We would recommend the bombshell discussion of a few years ago between Niels Harrit and James Corbett (posted at CorbettReport(dot)com website) titled “Niels Harrit Exposes the War on Terror” to Mr. Lazare, where the total absence of evidence/justification for invading Afghanistan, at the NATO meeting authorizing the invasion, was explained – in clear, shocking, documented, inarguable detail.

    • Thanks: dimples
  7. Walker says:
    @Ian James

    Well put.

    Not to mention, the primary beneficiaries of this 9-11 Muslim attack were the…Jews, as well as the intelligence and military cartels.

  8. HenryB says:

    Kevin Barrett missed the opportunity to ask Lazare to explain how the Israelis had the prior knowledge needed to be set up 40 minutes before the first building was attacked.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  9. @HenryB

    Not according to Maria. She reported that they drove up after the plane hit:

    “I saw the smoke from the top, just from the top of the towers… Like a few minutes must have gone on, and all of a sudden down there I see this van park. And I see three guys on top of the van…”

    • Replies: @HenryB
  10. HenryB says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Are you sure she said or meant “park” and not “parked”? From your quote she didn’t actually say that they drove up after the plane hit. However if that’s what she meant then she also makes it seem like the Israelis were already on top of the van as it arived. Surely you don’t think that. Do you?

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  11. @HenryB

    As I recall, the FBI report strongly suggested that the dancing Israelis arrived and set up to film before the first Tower was hit.

    • Replies: @dimples
    , @HenryB
  12. JWalters says:
    @walker

    Good points all. It seemed to me Lazar was trying to dodge facts, not learn about them. I’ve debated a number of Israeli disinformation agents online, and Lazar sounded like a somewhat sophisticated version of the same. It’s hard for me to believe a professional, independent reporter, with the levels of intelligence and curiosity those imply, could be so uninformed.

    • Thanks: Walker
  13. dimples says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    The FBI report states:

    “FBI Report 9/15/2001:
    Details: On 9/14/2001, Newark Division with the assistance of the New York Office (NYO), initiated an investigation predicated upon the detention of five (5) Israeli Nationals who may have possessed information about the terrorist incident targeting the twin towers of New York City’s World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. The following sets forth a summary of the investigation-to-date.
    …………..
    Another compliant subsequent investigation by Newark Criminal Division Agents revealed a second eyewitness who reported having observed that a white van in the same parking lot described by (redacted, Maria). This eyewitness, however, observed the van in the parking lot as early as 8:00am on the morning of the explosions at WTC.”

    This report states that a witness observed a white van in the parking lot as early as 8.00am.

    However the FBI report later states:

    “Newark investigation found no factual or substantive circumstantial information to indicate the five Israeli nationals were on top of a parking garage “videotaping” prior to first hijacked aircraft striking tower #2 of the WTC. Numerous circumstantial facts strongly support the five individuals statements that they traveled to the roof of the parking garage after learning of the attacks from radio broadcasts and internet sites. None of the pictures developed from the film found inside the 35mm camera depicts the twin towers prior to the attack.”

    See:

    https://adamfitzgerald-5924.medium.com/the-celebrating-israelis-who-moved-inside-the-united-states-the-fbi-report-58265080a1c

  14. HenryB says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Yes that’s my understanding but the other commentator seems to think ‘Maria’ sad she saw the van drive up after the first hit!

    People can judge fot themselves….https://youtu.be/UG-dDuLbhWM

  15. dimples says:

    This Youtube video contains nothing about what time the schlomos arrived at the parking lot.

    From the FBI report Maria states she gets a call from a friend in the same apartment block to tell her that she has seen smoke coming from the WTC at 9.00am:

    “At approximately 9:00am, (redacted) in apartment (redacted) called (redacted) to tell her that she saw smoke coming from the WTC. (redacted) grabbed her Binolux binoculars, in order to see the WTC closely.
    (redacted) recalls that she was listening to 1010 WINS AM and she did not hear any information regarding the WTC. She recalls that the sun had risen, it was a clear day and there was no fog or clouds.
    Using her binoculars (redacted) looked theur her rear window. Then she opened the balcony door and walked onto the balcony. As she looked in the direction of the WTC, she observed three males kneeling on the roof of a white van in the rear parking lot of her apartment complex. She noticed them and it appeared they noticed her.
    (redacted) recalls that all of the males were white, males, in their mid-twenties, no facial hair, no glasses, “clean cut”, no hats, all wearing short sleeve shorts, with lean builds.
    She recalls that male #1 had light hair which was cut very short. The top of his hair appeared somewhat “curly” or “wavy”. He was wearing a white tee shirt and light blue jeans, with a hole in the left knee. He was also smoking cigarettes. She believes that she has the best memory of this male.
    (redacted) cannot recall too many specifics regarding the male #2. She believes that she has the weakest recollection of this male.
    (redacted) recalls that the third male, male #3 had dark colored, short hair which appeared straight.
    (redacted) noticed that the white van on which the males were kneeling appeared to be a “box van”. It did not have windows on the side of the van, and it reminded (redacted) of a phone company van.
    The van was not parked perpendicular to the fence. Instead, the front of the van faced in a southeast direction. Male #1 knelt on the roof above the front, passenger side of the vehicle, and he faced the apartment complex. Male 32 knelt on the roof above the front, drivers side of the vehicle, and he faced the apartment complex. Male #2 knelt on the rear portion of the roof of the vehicle, and he faced NYC.
    Male #3 appeared to be taking still photographs and video of males #1 and #2 with the WTC in the background. All of the males appeared to be jovial. They smiled, they hugged each other and they “appeared” to “high five” one another.
    As the vehicle pulled away, (redacted) recorded the license plate on a small piece of paper contemporaneously. She recorded the NJ license plate number as being JRJ 13Y. She later provided this piece of paper to SA (redacted).”

    Its possible that the schlomos arrived early for the big event (as one does) but did not get out of the vehicle until the first plane hit, or the white van seen by the second eyewitness at 8.00am was not the same van or the witness was mistaken. The FBI clearly did not take this van sighting as sufficient evidence that the schlomos had arrived early.

    • Replies: @HenryB
    , @HenryB
  16. HenryB says:
    @dimples

    Er….the YT link is in response to ‘Patrick McNally’ who claimed this: “Not according to Maria. She reported that they drove up after the plane hit”

    Perhaps you can find that statement?

  17. HenryB says:
    @dimples

    I’ve now fully read that FBI report and it’s far from convincing. In its summation it does not even consider the 3rd witness to the white van. This witness confirms Maria’s evidence about video and still recording and adds another van (brown van) next to the white one….

    SA (redacted) interviewed (redacted) from Doric Towers at his residence. (redacted) and his (redacted) are from Doric Towers. On the morning of 9/11 (redacted) was painting in Apt (redacted) less than 5 minutes after the first plane hit the North Tower of the WTC (redacted) comes to apartment and informs (redacted) of the disaster. (redacted) stands up from painting the baseboard looks out of the window and notices 3 young men taking video and still photographs from atop the roof of the parking garage adjoining Doric Towers. He also see a white utility van next to the men and a brown van further behind. There were no other people in the parking lot at that time. He believes this occurred between 9am and 910am. (redacted) exits the apartment and sees that the men and both the white and brown van gone. (redacted) said he did not see any writing on the van or any windows other than the glass on the driver and passenger sides. After questioning (redacted) walked to the parking garage with agents and described positioning of the cans and the 3 men.

    Moreover, Maria was precise and consistent in her evidence unlike the 5 Jews who repeatedly contradicted themselves and each other. Maria, using her binoculars, was able to describe in detail the video camera being used….

    T-1, the source of the original information pertaining to the Israeli males, was re-interviewed at a later date. T-1 confirmed for interviewing agents that it was a video recording device, rather than a still camera, that the Israelis had used in filming the WTC from atop the van. In fact, T-1 recalled quite clearly that the camera was a small, hand held unit, with a Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) screen which folded out and could be used in panning.

    Furthermore, the FBI recovered data about the movement of a a news reporting helicoptor which variously hovered or moved slowly in the field of view from the vantage point of the Israelis. The FBI say with some degree of certainty that the helicoptor was in their field of view between 8:50 and 9:03 and note that it is visible “hovering” in one of the earlier negatives on the reel. This would put the Isrealis in active mode before 9:03, which is the time of the second strike. As there are frames on the reel not showing this helicopter which were shot before the frame that does, it is possible that the Israelis were in place and active before 8:50.

    Liaison with the FAA resulted in FBI-NK obtaining a duplicate record of the metropolitan New York Air Traffic Control radar traffic records for the morning of September 11th 2001. By way of background, one of the earliest photographs taken by the Israelis from the parking lot observation point shows what is believed to be a local news helicopter hovering over the Hudson River between the parking lot and the WTC (this helicopter appeared in the foreground of the third photograph taken). The FAA’s radar traffic records identify a helicopter, belonging to a ,local radio station AM 880, slowly traveling in a southernly direction down the Hudson River and then hovering from 8:50am until 9:03am between Union City and the WTC on the morning of September 11. Although the results of this analysis verified that the Israelis were at the parking lot observation point between 8:50am and 9:03am, it did not provide a precise time.

    This brings us back to the witness painting the apartment. The SA (special agent) said that “less than five minutes after the first attack” he was visited by somoene who told him of the “disaster.” As the first strike was at 8:46 then this must have been 8:50. The witness said he got up from painting the baseboard and looked out the window to see “three young men” already recording with video and still cameras. Toward the end of his statement he gives a time of between 9:00 and 9:10 but it’s not clear if he’s refering to the end of the incident as he mentions going down to the scene and finding both vans gone but it is unlikely to have taken him 10-15 minutes, from the initial 8:50, to put down his paint brush and look out the window.

    Much more could be said but the Israelis’ own evidence was so weak and distorted by lies that they should never have been released back to Israel without further investigation and examination.

  18. dimples says:

    Please don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to defend the schlomos. I’m merely pointing out that the evidence in the FBI report is not conclusive that the schlomos were at the car park before the first hit, and therefore had advance knowledge of the event.

    I’m sure that if such evidence existed it would probably not be in the FBI report anyway, since it would be a political bombshell of atomic proportions. The language of the report to some extent gives the impression, to me at least, that the writers were keen to make sure the reader was clear that there was no such evidence.

    I agree that the schlomos were probably there from at least 8.50 which seems way too quick if they 1. heard about the first strike (at 8.45) from the radio while at work, and 2. drove to the car park, apparently stopping for gas on the way. The fact that the schlomos all gave conflicting stories about what they were doing before the event indicates that they did not wish to reveal what they were really doing, which was probably sitting in the van in the car park since 8.00am waiting for the event. They would not know the exact timing of the first plane strike and would not want to get there late with their video camera which later disappeared. Was it handed over to an operative at Liberty Park later in the day or did the FBI disappear it??

    • Replies: @HenryB
  19. HenryB says:
    @dimples

    The witness who was painting an apartment in Doric said there was a brown van parked directly behind the white van. This van may have been at the scene briefly and taken away the video camera or recieved it at another location later.

    • Replies: @dimples
  20. dimples says:
    @HenryB

    I’m now inclined to think that the video camera was disposed of by the schlomos in the several hours between the event on the carpark and them being arrested.

    I envisage the following scenario:

    One or more of the schlomos is a low level Mossad agent, or at least thinks he is. After hearing on the grapevine that ‘Al-Qaeda’ are planning an aerial attack on the WTC on 9/11 approx 8.00am they decide to do an unsanctioned jolly jape by taping the event for themselves. The tape will impress the chicks back in Israel no end. It has nothing to do with Mossad as such, who no doubt have rented a room somewhere and used professional videotape equipment to record the event for themselves.

    Since the schlomos are familiar with the Doric apartment block by having done moving jobs there, and have presumably cased the car park roof area for surveillance cameras, they roll up early and tape the first and second plane strikes, themselves celebrating and so on. Now they are not totally stupid so they know that the video camera is now radioactive, it would be extremely dangerous for them and mother Israel to be caught with it.

    So after leaving the carpark they immediately head for the nearest post office and post the camera to themselves or a trusted uncle schlomo back in Israel. This is New York so parcels to Israel are common and arouse no suspicion. That disposes of the camera safely out of the US without any risk of it being discovered by 3rd parties. That is what I would do anyway. Either that or they have dropped the camera off somewhere they know is safe.

    So to summarize the evidence for the schlomos being at the car park early:

    1. Witness sees white van in carpark at 8.00am.

    2 Witness definitely sees schlomos using video camera, but no video camera is found when they are arrested. This seems to me to be definite proof they were there early, as if all were kosher then no need to dispose of this camera.

    3. Painting witness sees them in carpark very shortly after first plane strike. Its possible that FBI summary report has ‘misquoted’ his statement to get a time of 9.00. What does the original interview statement for this witness say??

    4. The schlomos all give widely conflicting statements about where they were before the event, indicating they are covering up where they actually were, ie at the car park, and being amateurs, have not prepared any story in advance.

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