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Christopher Fogarty discusses his recently-revised book Ireland 1845-1850: The Perfect Holocaust and Who Kept It “Perfect”. The book presents detailed evidence supporting its claim that millions of Irish, the best estimate being 5.2 million, were murdered by the British government between 1845 and 1850. Contrary to the Irish Holocaust deniers’ claims of a mythical “potato famine,” Fogarty argues that potatoes were merely one item among Ireland’s copious production of foodstuffs, most of which were confiscated for export by British landlords backed by private militias, a British-loyal constabulary, and 67 of the British Empire’s 126 regiments. And since the British (unlike the Germans) weren’t smart enough to bury their millions of victims in bogs, dig up the sodden corpses, burn them, and rebury them—a process proven to eliminate all traces of Holocaust victims—the remains of millions of Irish victims are still lying in mass graves (many marked by monuments) and available for forensic examination.

Fogarty’s book features a “Mass Graves of Ireland” map showing the locations of more than 100 mass graves, the places where each of the 67 British regiments was stationed, and the ports where British merchant ships absconded with Ireland’s food supplies. Documentation of the food removal relies on contemporaneous reports in the London Times (the newspaper of record) and Limerick Intelligencer, as well as in British governmental and military records, all cited by Fogarty with painstaking specificity.

Though surely one of the best-documented holocausts in history, the Irish Holocaust is denied by the current Irish and British governments, and denied and/or obfuscated by the majority of professional historians

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: History • Tags: Britain, Ireland, Irish Famine 
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  1. I look forward to reading Fogarty’s book.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Fr. John
  2. Icy Blast says:

    Let’s ask EMJ for comment on the removal of food from Ireland. He would no doubt have some insights.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  3. martin_2 says:

    From when the British liberated Ireland in 1801, up to the years before the Potato Famine the population of Ireland rose dramatically. 5.5 million in 1801, 8.2 million in 1841. A 49% increase. But there was little in the way of an industrial revolution, as there was on the mainland, so the increase was precarious if not unsustainable. Many of the people fleeing famine came to England and Scotland anyway. Liverpool, Glasgow, London.

    • Troll: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  4. Given the mass-suicidal idiocy of the Irish of late, maybe wiping them out would have been a good thing.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  5. microman says: • Website

    I think an additional reason why the truth of the Irish Holocaust is kept secret is that “those who cannot be named” were often the tax collectors. The tax collectors who ruthlessly and without conscience, helped pull the life blood from the Irish. For not only were the Irish starved to death but also taxed to death. They were already impoverished when this all began.

  6. @Icy Blast

    Among the Irish Americans—indeed, among all cradle Catholics—with whom I grew up and was schooled in the forties, fifties, and sixties, knowledge that the “famine” was actually mass murder on an unprecedented scale (at least in what was then still the Christian West) was virtually universal. Additionally, a significant few were aware that the orchestrating money power behind the British actions was, shall we say, Tribal. Thus, if Fogarty’s book is what it seems to be—and I hope it is—the honorable rubric under which it should fall is Truth Recovered rather than Truth Revealed.

    As Doctor Jones is just a few years younger than I, it would come as a great surprise to me if his experience and reaction differ much from mine.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Al Ross
  7. lloyd says: • Website

    The “mad” Irish might think that this was murder. Murder in the sense of deliberate rather than callous. The Irish famine as it got reported in the English papers, broke apart the British Government of Robert Peel and the Whig Party. Callous and hypocrites yes. But the British upper class at least with the Irish were not mass murderers. Some English intellectuals were advocating reducing the Irish population. But they did not shape British policy. A British policy on Ireland in the era of Laissez Faire did not exist.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @notbe
  8. Hibernian says:
    @martin_2

    From when the British liberated Ireland in 1801…

    From what? They governed Ireland already and had since the time of Cromwelll. Do you mean the putting down of the revolt of the United Irishmen? Some liberation!

  9. The book presents detailed evidence supporting its claim that millions of Irish, the best estimate being 5.2 million, were murdered by the British government between 1845 and 1850.

    A more conventional view is that 1 million died and 2 million emigrated, mostly to Britain or the USA. If there had been as many as 5.2 million dead, then along with emigration Ireland would have been almost completely depopulated.

    Even on the conventional figures, it is right to consider the famine a genocide, with the British government culpable by (at the very least) its neglect. Why inflate the numbers? It will only lead historians to dismiss the work as fanciful.

    • Agree: El Dato, Irish Savant
    • Replies: @aj54
  10. El Dato says:

    I am supposed to believe that the Holocaust didn’t happen / is widely overreported but that the Irlandocaust was worse / is widely underreported?

    I will set my beliefs to “stay about the same”.

    (Everybody seems to get really weird ideas in lately, from Good Mao to Hitler didn’t actually attack the SovUnion to God knows what. It’s like watching mainstream TV at this point)

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  11. TGD says:

    Pol Pot’s regime killed about 2.5 million Cambodians only a few decades ago after Nixon intervened in Cambodia. The US caused the starvation death of 500,000 Iraqi children after the US imposed a blockade around Iraq. The Rwandan genocide of 27 years ago killed 1.1 million. Possibly as many as 55 million Europeans died during WW2 and as many as 30 million Chinese civilians died at the hands of the Japanese in that same war. Most of the indigenous populations of the Americas died as a result of diseases brought over from Europe by colonists. So population die offs must be considered a regular occurrence in human history. In this context, the Irish famine is just a footnote of history.

    The late Stephen Hawking gave the human race 100 years before it self destructs. He could be right.

    • Replies: @Cauchemar du Singe
  12. notbe says:
    @lloyd

    Laissez Faire does not exist and never did exist All economic decisions, back then and now, are made by the elites for the benefit of the elites Laissez Faire is just a convenient term to hide the responsibility for negative outcomes stemming from the decisions of the elites Hey, you know what? It works, for instance even in 2021 some people can make the silly argument-A British policy on Ireland in the era of Laissez Faire did not exist-to hide the callousness of UK elites decision to lower the Irish population

  13. @El Dato

    You are not supposed to believe anything. Try checking a few facts. Try thinking to see what is more probable. Did Germans try to murder all the Jews in death camps? Did the English want to steal Ireland’s food? Figure it out! Be rational!

    • Replies: @dimples
  14. dually says:

    The British Empire was easily the most genocidal regime in the history of mankind. The Irish Genocide was a continuation of the policy that began with the dissolution of the monasteries, through the appropriation of the commons and the highland clearances. Evolution, Darwin’s religion of almighty materialism, is a product of this obsession with the primacy of “property rights” for the “inheritance” class.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @martin_2
  15. dimples says:
    @Badger Down

    I think the answer to that is yes and yes.

  16. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:

    Unfortunately, this is wholly false. In the 1840s, no country was a welfare state, and it was the norm to do no nothing to help famine victims. Eg. the last famine in Europe, in Finland in 1866-1868, saw the government simply let one-twelfth of the population die. The Finnish government didn’t want to borrow money for famine relief in case it raised interest rates. I kid you not (see the Wikipedia article on this). It is true that non-potato crops in Ireland were not affected, and that food continued to be exported – but this would have been the case even if Ireland had been independent. The Irish are like the blacks in terms of scouring history for anything that can contribute towards a victim narrative. In the modern day, Ireland’s prosperity is entirely courtesy of the UK government, but that is another story the Irish do not wish to tell. The Irish – a malicious and resentful race – have been their own worst enemies throughout history.

    • Replies: @dually
    , @Getaclue
    , @Hibernian
  17. dually says:
    @Anon

    Irish – a malicious and resentful race

    The name-calling is bitter when the truth ain’t so sweet?

  18. @true.enough

    I look forward to reading Fogarty’s book.

    I look forward to reading John Derbyshire’s review.

  19. @Wyatt

    Amen, bro!

    CMIIW, but isn’t Priss a sis?

  20. anon[676] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Yes – Irish Americans are taught at home the truth about the Famine in all its horrors. BTW – I think the population of Ireland only matched its 1840s number in the 1990s.

    And yes – the tax collectors figure large in the oral tradition of what happened

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  21. Magylson says:

    There was a major famine in 1780. There were no deaths because the then government (in Dublin) banned the export of Irish foodstuffs to the continent. They didn’t Evan have to ban exports to the UK. An Irish delegation asked Westminster to repeat that simple measure in 1845 and they said no.

    • Replies: @Anon
  22. Getaclue says:
    @Anon

    The English were brutal to the Irish and elsewhere — it is how they operated, much of it based on “occult”/Satanic influenced worldview — much of what is wrong with the world today is directly related to their actions around the world then and now. “Russia Collusion” came from British Intelligence work and they are still very active manipulating the world….

    Now they have what they have in London and elsewhere with their own working class “Whites” being marginalized — but the true history is disgusting — you are nothing more than an apologist for their actions — there was also a large amount of “occult” work going on among the “Elites” there with John Dees, Crowley etc. — same as today — the “Elite” in Britain are full of Satanists/Pedos and they are at work on their NWO “Agenda”, Prince Charles is a big NWO promoter as are all the rest, anti-human/peon — same as it ever was but worse…:

    https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/englands-irish-slaves-10927

    https://popularresistance.org/he-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/

    Always Satan “advising” the Elite in England:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=john+dees+in+england+occult&va=z&t=hk&ia=web

  23. Jewish memorials, known as “holocaust monuments” dot the global landscape by the hundreds, often sized to a vulgar ‘look-at-me’ scale.

    These are calling cards of an industry which leverages shameless imagined victimhood into advantages. The Irish, Armenians, Cambodians, Ukrainians and aboriginals have no comparable shrines to suffering.

    Their shrines are modest, congruent with proud people who do not wish to be defined for all time by neurotic obsession with grievance, and begging/demanding special concessions for their feelings.

  24. Fr. John says:
    @true.enough

    Kevin Barrett must be an idiot…. or under 30. (Same diff)

    When the article starts out with fallacies like this: “since the British (unlike the Germans) weren’t smart enough to bury their millions of victims in bogs, dig up the sodden corpses, burn them, and rebury them—a process proven to eliminate all traces of Holocaust victims….”

    I know I’m not going to get truth, in any area near this ‘intellectual ground zero.’

    It’s amazing that Barrett can write the foregoing statement, and yet close his ‘review’ with the following-

    “surely one of the best-documented holocausts in history, the Irish Holocaust is denied by the current Irish and British governments, and denied and/or obfuscated by the majority of professional historians.”

    when none of this can be applied (Dare not be applied) to a supposed genocide that happened, oh, say, ca. 1939-45? Yet denying the former can get you into prison in many countries, while even acknowledging the latter, doesn’t even get a blip on the radar. Isn’t it odd the former has so little forensic evidence to corroborate its’ claims, while Barrett says the later… does?

    “Eppure, si muove.”

  25. The British and their proxies are a plague on ythe world.
    They used their first colony for testing the divide and conquer strategy that they have now taken on a world tour. Even in my homeland of CANADA we do not realize that our residential school horrors were perfected in Ireland by C of E policy and the Presbyterians and Christian Brothers.
    Growing up in a multicultural city we were called terrorists in our own hometown for protesting the hunger strike conditions the POW suffered under in Long Kesh.
    I was fully aware at 12 that our Famine was engineered. My city and country were built by this generation who survived the coffin ships, the French Canadians even took in the abanded children of black 1847, and allowed and encouraged them to keep their family names and remember the truth!
    Indeed the dark ages as history records it was the zenith of Irish learning and keeping the History of Civilization it written form. Also overlooked is the fact that the Romans never invaded Ireland, only European country that can say that. This resulted in a world view that shared instead of hoarded wealth, that the Clan Chief of name was only as well off as his clan were , and the British introduction of primogeniture, that the oldest inherits all, was the basis of their destruction of the Irish world and the Brehon laws that Ireland had flourished under for over 2000 years! As my uncles always said-“ we shall overcome!
    Grosse Isle in the StLawernce river is an Irish mass grave, we prevented the federal government from turning it into a day picnic park! Biggest Celtic cross in the World is on the point where the ships offloaded the famine victims, if they could walk n the island and service two months they could then head to Quebec City and on to their future! Hardy people to say the least.
    Eire, Saor agus Gaelic

    • Agree: aj54
    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @aj54
    , @Getaclue
  26. Quarantined the sick, not the healthy, on Grosse Isle. Toronto’s first Catholic Bishop, Michael Power, died in Montreal assisting the famine Irish. 1848.

  27. aj54 says:
    @James N. Kennett

    I have ordered the book. I have read many articles on this in the past, and based on previous readings, his numbers are probably correct. It does say it is meticulously referenced and footnoted.
    Maybe read it yourself. People cannot wrap their minds around atrocities, they have too much cognitive dissonance, so they just say it never happened. They want to believe that this civilization that they had thought highly of, would not be capable of such deliberate and horrific acts. Historians are not immune from this cognitive dissonance.

    • Replies: @Veritas X-
  28. aj54 says:
    @MacCostelloe

    In the 1600s, the British sold hundreds of thousands of poor British children, kidnapped Irish men and their wives and children, and emptied their jails into the slave trade of the Americas. Most went to British owned plantations in the West Indies. Half the children did not survive a year into it. Their brutality towards the Irish is well established.

  29. Getaclue says:
    @MacCostelloe

    Britain has been run by “occultists”/Satanists/Pedos for hundreds of years, enslaving, murdering an raping the world — John Dees a Satanic Magician was a big part of Queen Elizabeth’s Court and consulted often, the lands of the Catholic Church were stolen for profit, had zero to do with “religious” differences that was only the cover used for the huge theft by British “nobles”… — many of the British “Elite” were in bed with the Satanist “Beast” Aleister Crowley and still he is an object of veneration for them — the NWO Globalist Satanic Agenda comes out of Britain — the British “Intelligence” Services are responsible for wars throughout the world and work much like the Mossad, “Russia Collusion” bs came from Britain “Intelligence” work — thru Deception they work like the Mossad but people are clueless, Satanist NWO freaks destroying the world thru lackeys like Fauci, Gates et al all roads lead to London– the Masons are part of the life of the “royal” family — Masonic Satanists….:

    http://www.molonlabemedia.com/2017/03/16/irish-slavery-truth-white-slaves-slavery/

    https://frankreport.com/2019/08/13/when-british-royals-are-pedophiles-its-called-peccadilloes/

    • Replies: @Cauchemar du Singe
  30. I always wondered why historically the Irish never did much toward developing a seafaring or fishing industry. Seems like an island nation would naturally gravitate towards those things if they were interested in supporting themselves, but perhaps I’m missing something essential.

    • Replies: @aj54
    , @beavertales
  31. @TGD

    The Jap thing about killing 30 million Chinese is BULLSHIT.
    Mao, the Khazar fronter, replicated the Bolshevik (((Usual Suspects))) in the mass murder of tens of millions of Chinese.
    You, as a Khazar dissembler, are caught in your furtive, unsuccessful insertion of a turd.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  32. Many if not most of the comments here suggest that the interview was ignored or not grasped.

    There was no famine (in the ordinary sense of the word). The at-gunpoint removal and export of Ireland’s vast and varied food production required the mobilization of more than half (67 regiments) of Britain’s 126 regiment army. The Commander-in-Chief of the food removal mission for all six years was England-born General Sir Edward Blakeney. Blakeney was nephew of John Blakeney who had been England’s High Sheriff of Co. Galway, operating from his estate, Castleblakeney, near Mountbellew.

    Under British rule, the Irish, for centuries, were stripped of their legal personhood, thus all property. Essentially all of Ireland’s land was “owned” by English landlords; the Irish were rent-paying tenants on the lands of their ancestors. In response to international outrage and a rising Irish people, the Crown, in 1900-1920, bought out their landlords (at above market prices) upon which they repatriated. We, in Co. Roscommon, were still amortizing that old “debt” through annual “Rent” payments (in addition to semiannual “Rates”/taxes) into the 1970s.

    Starting on 4May1846 and frequently until 19Nov1855 it was reported as “Holocaust” in the Cork (now Irish) Examiner newspaper. Michael Davitt and others also wrote contemporaneously of it as “Holocaust.” This is fact; not intended as a comment about later “Holocausts.”

    The components of my book are Primary Research from official documents; not from historiographers. All are what they are, e.g., 67 food removal regiments, no more, no fewer. Similarly the volumes of Irish foods landing in English ports are from The Times, etc. The number of Ireland’s non-potato food processors (1,935 grain mills, 1,989 grain kilns, 555 flour mills, 948 livestock pounds, 45 woolen mills (mutton and lamb), 136 grain-using breweries and 74 distilleries, 62 threshers, etc.) are from the Ordinance Survey Maps of 1845. This book completes what Cecil Woodham-Smith began in 1962 by naming 13 of the food removal regiments. Mine ploughs new ground by naming all 67 of them (in addition to the constabulary, and the 37 landlords’ militias).

    To recap; my book; Ireland 1845-1850: the Perfect Holocaust, and Who Kept it ‘Perfect’,” is, excepting the murder toll, indisputable. It is available from me or Amazon.com.

  33. @Getaclue

    Prince Andrew, BFF of Epstein the Mossad blackmailer, banger of now older repentant young sluts, used to be referred to in the Brit trash press as “Randy Andy”, his dikhead proclivities well known.
    The homo jew pedophile Jimmy Saville was a familiar with Andy and other Royals/Nobles; but, was SO depraved that the Brit media/government establishment kept it “under wraps” until the pervert’s disgusting history was revealed after the scummy bastard’s death.,

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  34. @anon

    I think the population of Ireland only matched its 1840s number in the 1990s.

    You might very well be correct about this, but as recently as two years ago, someone I consider well informed about the matter told me that Ireland’s present-day population had finally come to surpass the pre-famine count solely because of massive EU-enforced Third World immigration. Put otherwise, the actual genetically Irish population has not yet matched or exceeded the 1844 level.

    As I say, however, since my acquaintance’s comments are, strictly speaking, anecdotal, your date might still be the correct one.

  35. aj54 says:
    @Sollipsist

    well I wonder how much Irish history you actually read if you do not know how they sustained themselves, especially when treated as an agrarian export colony and source of slave labor by Britain; “interested in supporting themselves” what lightheaded crap. I should wallop you behind the ear with my Granda’s shillelagh

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  36. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Magylson

    Magylson wrote: “There was a major famine in 1780. There were no deaths because the then government (in Dublin) banned the export of Irish foodstuffs to the continent. They didn’t Evan have to ban exports to the UK. An Irish delegation asked Westminster to repeat that simple measure in 1845 and they said no.”

    This is an illustration of how any time the Famine is discussed the Irish come along with false facts. Hint: you don’t get your own facts. There was NOT a major famine in 1780. There was a brief period of food shortages in 1782 – nothing like the Great Famine – and the Lord Lieutenant (the British official in charge of Ireland), and not parliament, issued a decree banning food exports. I have no evidence that this decree only applied to the continent, and suspect Magylson doesn’t have either. In the 1840s, they followed a different policy, but the size of the famine was much larger, and the impact on the economy would have been much greater had all food exports been banned. Britain spent £150,000 on corn from Britain and America to sell at cheap prices. £150,000 is around £10bn in today’s money. Britain didn’t do “nothing” to help, but the fact the famine went on for year after year after year, 1845-1852, mean that it became a perennial insoluble issue. In the 1780s they wouldn’t have banned food exports for seven years – get real – in an economy that was overwhelmingly agricultural, that would have had huge economic repercussions. And yet, it was probably at the back of the British minds that they were feeding people who were problematic – enemies of Britain effectively. Feeding the Irish was a bit like the US when it sent food aid to North Korea, despite that country being an enemy of the US. And they were also aware that the Irish had never invested SQUAT in their own economy, and so the huge rise in the population between the 1780s and the 1840s would make any way of dealing with the famine impossible. Had there been investment, more of the population would have lived in industrial towns. In the end, the fact the Irish are the only low IQ population in Western Europe has to be brought into the discussion. The Irish are disgusting in their constant pursuit of victim status – do the British grow up imbibing tales of the Roman atrocities in the 1st century during the time of Boadicea and dreaming of revenge? GROW UP!

  37. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:

    Another point, Ireland’s Famine expert is Cormac Ó Gráda. He reports that 45,000 died of starvation. Another 55,000 died of scurvy (lack of vitamin C – the Indian corn the British distributed, unlike potatoes, contained no vitamn C, but vitamin C was not discovered until 1937), and the other 900,000 died of disease. Dysentery, typhoid, typhus, cholera etc. In most famines, disease carries off the larger part of the victims. Literally boiling the water would have saved countless lives. Claims that 5m died are just nonsense. Stop the victim-mongering. Somehow I feel the Irish would like to get the death toll up to 6m (anyone recognise the number??).

  38. @Anon

    “Can’t ban food exports in an agricultural economy (even when millions are starving)…And yet, it was probably at the back of the British minds that they were feeding people who were problematic…” Thank you, Mr. Defense Attorney, you have just convicted your client…of genocide.

    As fer yer average Irish IQ bein’ a mere couple o’ points short o’ the pan-European number, that just goes to show that without whiskey killin’ off half our brain cells we would’ve been a nation o’ geniuses.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  39. @aj54

    Yeah, I grew up in an Irish American family too. For a while I even fell for the Auld Sod routine. But when it gets right down to it, the Irish were serial victims long before the British Empire. The indigenous people got stomped by the Celts, who then got stomped by the Vikings on a regular basis. An addiction to whiskey, childbearing and Catholicism did more damage to the Irish than the British.

    Tell me how, with almost the same set of starting conditions, there came to be a British Empire and not an Irish Empire? The only difference that I can think of is that England had the benefit of Roman conquest, while Ireland wasn’t worth the Romans’ trouble. Good old colonialism, the single most effective means of progress for backwards countries.

    • Agree: cosMICjester
  40. Getaclue says:
    @Cauchemar du Singe

    The question is are the few who get some publicity for what they are doing just “outriders” or actually more like business as usual but thru missteps they finally got some unwanted publicity by the controlled Mainslime Press?

    From what I’ve seen there is an organized group of “Elite” Satanist Pedos and every once in awhile the Mainslime Media is forced to cover one of them that is so egregious and public they have no choice, they then play it off as being an anomaly — the other Satanist/Pedo “Elite” continue on with no such light shined on their activities….They are the big proponents/backers/financers of the NWO and CVirus Scamdemic being used to bring in their Great (Satanic) Reset on the Peons who are for the most part clueless and even cheering it on….

  41. I’m a atheist sane liberal Irish/Italian American. I don’t give a damn about what the Brits did 150 years ago. I care more about what loony leftist useful idiots are doing presently in the Emerald Isle & England. They’re doing more damage then the colonizing English ever did any where.

  42. @Author Chris Fogarty

    So now u want the Irish to act like bantu crybabies & claim victimhood?? Are the Brits due to mail me a reparations check? NO THANKS

  43. How can there be an Irish Holocaust? That term is trade-marked, for Jewish suffering only. You’ll have to just call it the Irish Unpleasantness, that’s all.

  44. @Kevin Barrett

    Get back on the boat, Paddy.

    In 2019, Ireland’s GDP per capita was \$78,660. Higher than Canada! Higher than the US! It’s me pot o’ gold begorrah! Take that ye filthy English!

    What are the Irish doing with all that money–buying yachts? Bolstering their TFR? Let’s see…

    “Despite this, the total fertility rate is still below replacement depending on when the measurement is taken. The Irish fertility rate [1.7] is still the highest of any European country.[5] This increase is significantly fuelled by non-Irish immigration – in 2009, a quarter of all children born in the Republic were born to mothers who had immigrated from other countries.”

    The Irish are museum specimens at this point. Highest rates of out-migration in Europe.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  45. Magylson says:
    @Anon

    If there was merely a brief food shortage why was an export ban on food needed? It was severe shortages over two years which is not that brief. And as far as the your own facts comment you need to keep up with the times. Ireland’s average IQ is 97 which is about average. Prof Richard Lynn confirmed this. (He previously scored the Irish iq at 87 and declared the Irish thick). This is strong evidence that as countries become richer they become smarter. Also the children of the Irish in Britain score the same as British children. So please bring the low Irish IQ into the discussion together with some actual facts as evidence.

    • Replies: @Anon
  46. TG says:

    Of course, if this happened today, we would blame ‘climate change’ and ‘systemic racism.’

    How wonderful for the elites, that they have developed such easy one-size-fits-all distractions from what is really going on…

  47. @Sollipsist

    “I always wondered why historically the Irish never did much toward developing a seafaring or fishing industry”

    The Titanic was built in Belfast. In the age of wooden ships, the availability of very large trees of the right type dictated what kind of ships could be built. Britannia sourced its wood from its colonies once its own stock was depleted.

    • Thanks: Sollipsist
  48. martin_2 says:
    @dually

    In every place that became part of the British Empire the native population increased dramatically.

    India, for example, went from 180 million in 1800 to 450 million in 1950, a factor of 2.5.

    The figures for the African colonies are similar but not quite as dramatic since they were colonised later and for less time.

    The increase in population in places like Hong Kong and Singapore is even more dramatic than that in India.

    Some genocide.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  49. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Magylson

    Britain fed the Irish despite the fact the Irish had always been a truculent people. Trevelyan ordered, “coute que coute (at all costs), no one must be allowed to die” (quoting from memory, but you are welcome to do your own research for the exact quote). You missed that out, of course. (wonder why?) My main point is that Ireland is a country like the Ukraine that has always sat there taking pot shots against the country next door – and they still do today with their attempts to prevent Brexit. In the 17th century they openly offered themselves as a base from which the French could attack Britain, and did the same in 1798 – and, guess what? – they came off the losers from that. Britain is pretending not to notice Irish behaviour re: Brexit at the moment – Johnson is a particularly spineless individual – but I think a train reaction has been started that will eventually lead to the end of the Republic of Ireland as a separate state. Sitting there next door and constantly playing the enemy of England ought to rebound on them. Could rational leaders emerge who realise that they have to put more energy into good relations with England, instead of always relying on the English not to react to provocations? Hopefully. It would be in Ireland’s interests. As for the Irish IQ, as IQ is largely genetic, the fact that Ireland has become wealthy on the back of English subsidies recycled through the EU doesn’t directly raise the IQ, which is still well below the European average. However, part of the reason for the low IQ is emigration of the fittest. It follows that the Irish Celtic Tiger boom attracted back to Ireland some of its highest IQ emigrants, and also attracted high-IQ immigrants from Eastern Europe, which has helped the number up somewhat.

  50. martin_2 says:

    Going by the amount of money in horse racing, in particular the prize money awarded to the winners in Eire, in comparison to the UK, it would seem that Eire is now a wealthier place than the UK. Which I must admit is a bit of a culture shock, and must be a huge disappointment to Joe Walker who wants to turn the clock in Ireland back fifty years.

  51. Athena says:

    ”Strangely enough, the 1845 potato rot is believed to have emanated from America a year earlier, transported in tubers destined for Europe. It was in Holland and the southern counties of England that the first signs of the blight were seen, weeks before making an appearance in Ireland.”

    ”There were famine years before the blight struck and the English rulers were well aware of the economic structure they had forced on the Irish. During the first 45 years of the last century at least 150 committees and commissions of inquiry, appointed by the British Parliament, had made their reports on the state of Ireland. But nothing happened.”

    ”A celtic cross stands high above the waters at the western end of Canada’s Gross Isle. The cross bears inscriptions in Gaelic, French and English, carved on ebony panels.”

    ”Children of the Gael died in their thousands on this island
    having fled from the laws of the foreign tyrants
    and an artificial famine in the years 1847-48.
    God’s loyal blessing upon them.
    Let this monument be a token to their name and honour
    from the Gaels of America.
    God Save Ireland.”

    ”That is the translation from the gaelic inscription. The bitterness of the accusatory Gaelic inscription is absent from the English dedication…”

    ”Perhaps the most disgraceful aspect of the Famine was that in each of its six years there was probably sufficient food exported out of Ireland to sustain the nation, certainly enough to have saved the million who died. The bulk of the agriculture produce, most of the cattle, butter, wheat, barley, vegetables, went to the markets in England.

    Politicians in London, and some in Dublin as well, determined that market forces should dictate the outcome. They were not disposed towards introducing food tariffs, and the starving Irish could not afford the market prices.”

    Passages from : The Famine Ships, by Edward Laxton, Owl Books.

    • Replies: @Anon
  52. Hibernian says:
    @Anon

    …but this would have been the case even if Ireland had been independent.

    You know this how?

  53. Hibernian says:
    @Anon

    In the end, the fact the Irish are the only low IQ population in Western Europe has to be brought into the discussion.

    Surely the lowest IQ European population is the one from which you yourself spring.

    • Replies: @Anon
  54. Hibernian says:
    @martin_2

    Slaughter people, starve them, or force them into exile, they have enough kids to more than make up the difference, you’re off the hook.

  55. Al Ross says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Surrounded by sea , the Irish might have increased their fishing efforts .

    Also , before the English imported the potato from the New World , what was the Irish staple food ?

    • Replies: @dually
    , @Pierre de Craon
  56. dually says:
    @Al Ross

    Pork.
    Also: The ancient Celts were the Sea People from the start of the Iron Age who conquered the Middle East down to Egypt. They left behind Gaelic linguistic elements in modern Hebrew. This led in turn to the preposterous claim, taken seriously today by Zion-phile academics, that the ancient Hebrews visited Ireland instead. We are not allowed to think that the ancient occupants of that region were also the ancestors of the Irish.

  57. @Al Ross

    A fair point, Al. Why they didn’t fish more than they seem to have done is unknown to me.

    As for the pre-potato staple, though my knowledge of the island’s culinary history is minimal, I’d bet several grand that cattle—whether for dairy products or meat or both is something else I don’t know—long served as the people’s primary food source, at least prior to Cromwell’s time. Why else would the national epic be the Táin Bó Cuailnge, whose subject (more or less) is a cattle raid led by Queen Maeve (or Medb) of Connaught on Ulster, the aim being to steal Ulster’s prize bull, renowned as the greatest in Ireland?

    As I neither speak nor read the Irish language, Thomas Kinsella’s translation of the Táin has had a place on my shelves for some forty years. It may not be the Iliad, but it is still well worth reading.

  58. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Athena

    You quote from a book saying ” The bitterness of the accusatory Gaelic inscription is absent from the English dedication”

    You clearly have no knowledge of Irish. The Irish is “Cailleadh Clann na nGaedheal ina míltibh ar an Oileán so ar dteicheadh dhóibh ó dlighthibh na dtíoránach ngallda agus ó ghorta tréarach isna bliadhantaibh 1847-48. Beannacht dílis Dé orra. Bíodh an leacht so i gcomhartha garma agus onóra dhóibh ó Ghaedhealaibh Ameriocá. Go saoraigh Dia Éire”. This is no more bitter than the English translation. See the image at

    The only word I’m unsure of there is tréarach, which is not in Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla. It could be related to tréar, “treason”, in Dinneen’s dictionary? In any case, it does not mean “artificial”, which is saorga in Irish.

    I would edit slightly. I would prefer “do cailleadh” and “‘na míltibh”, “orthu” and “saoraidh”, but it’s mainly right.

    Someone mentioned work done on the Titanic in Belfast – American readers will not know that that is in Northern Ireland, in the UK.

    Ignorance characterises the whole of this debate on the Irish side, who persist, like African Americans in making false claims to fuel their victimhood.

  59. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    Yes, I’m about half Irish by ancestry.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  60. @The Anti-Gnostic

    It has been said that God invented whiskey to prevent the Irish from ruling the world. More recently, He invented birth control to prevent them from overrunning it.

    So if Allah and the Pope were to offer a special dispensation allowing the Irish to be Muslim and Catholic at the same, on condition that they rigorously obey the strictures of both religions, the world would quickly be conquered and populated by those of us of the Hibernian persuasion. Allahu akbar and a top o’ the marnin’ to ye!

    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Veritas X-
  61. @Author Chris Fogarty

    Thank You so very much Chris.
    I’ve been praying for You & Wife the past 1 year.
    About 1½ years ago I asked You to comment on an article here @UNZ and it appears You did but received considerable ‘backlash’.
    Your research & documentation from the ‘archives & original documents’ are impeccable.
    Impeccable!
    Got-that-Everyone?
    Who am I? Well You Chris know Me as the ‘guy from New Jersey living in Sweden’ with a very likable and familiar name, Chris.
    Think about it for a moment, and You’ll know exactly who I am.
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=christophulos+the+bearer+of+christs+word&t=ffab&atb=v224-1&ia=web
    “We are Old but Young-at-Heart”.
    Once Again,’My Prayers are with You & Wife”.

    Thank You Kevin.
    Finally, Someone with more than ½-a brain here @UNZ got Chris Fogarty’s *message out to the General Public*.
    The ‘eugenics & extermination policy’ implemented by Lord Palmerston almost 200 years ago, which was a 100%-continuation of Malthusian Theory, which in its turn just a continuation of Cromwell & the “usual suspect’s”, has its origins if I remember correctly from the 13th Century.

    Anyway, I warmly recommend absolutely everyone who reads this, buys/reads Chris’s book.
    Regards X-

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=Lord+Palmerston&atb=v224-1&ia=web
    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=Malthusian+Theory&atb=v224-1&ia=web

  62. @Kevin Barrett

    Thanks Kevin.
    Please look at my comment below.
    Regards X- in Sweden

  63. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    We along with thousands of other families, as Catholics, have been large scale, >200 acres, farmers for hundreds of years surviving the dispossessions with the help of our Protestant neighbours whom we outnumbered.

    It was our produce that was sold to the grain merchants and exported to England. It was the merchants who called on the Lord Lieutenant to provide military help to prevent looting.

    Our families on both sides gave sons, not only to the Catholic Church but also to the British Army. My maternal Grandfather and two of his brothers faught in the Boer War. His brothers remained in South Africa, even marrying into Afrikaaner families to the extent I took my mother to Johannesburg to meet her Afrikaaner cousins in 1980.

    My Uncle was a bomber pilot in WWII and survived, although he suffered the rest of of his life from what we now know is PTSD.

    On the lack of a fishing industry, there were no large trees, especially in the West where the majority of the famine victims lived. The calorific effort required to row tiny Currachs through the Atlantic surf was more than could be replaced by meagre inshore fish catches.

    There was not enough coal in Ireland to allow participation in the Industrial Revolution started with the input of an Irish Scientist who defined Boyles Law!

    That the average IQ was low can be blamed to a large extent on the massive population increase in a short 50 years and the poverty it brought following the introduction of the potatoe. But, it’s not the whole story.

    Our Catholic farmers produced offspring who were for the most part, highly educated evidenced by the existence of University College Dublin, Cork and Galway. Protestants went to Trinity College Dublin.

    The potato was without doubt the worst thing to happen to the poor in the whole of Europe. It led to multiple famines in every country. It was easy to grow, even on marginal land. Accompanied by butter milk it provided all the nutrients to sustain life and led to the population explosion that occurred in a short 50 years.

    Disaster was inevitable. What could be done? There was no welfare state and the London Society did everything in using its limited resources to ameliorate the effects of the potatoe blight famine.

    It appealed to London which took a huge loan, it still pays interest on, to provide food aid to Ireland and appointed a Commissioner Pleni Potentiery and sent him to Dublin. Problem was no one, least of all him, knew what to do.

    The British cleared the Calvinists out of Scotland and planted them in Northern Ireland displacing thousands of Irish Catholics, but not all of them. The uneasy political coexistence currently pertaining is testament to that, despite efforts to deny that it can work.

    The displaced Catholics rented marginal land mostly in the West of Ireland. However, because there was no industry and no education to absorb a rapidly growing population there was a problem.

    What to do with the children. What happened was farms were sub-divided among the sons and then sub-divided again and again until farm sizes were unsustainable.

    The rent had to be paid. The tax collectors held the landlords under constant threat of bankruptcy if taxes weren’t paid. Thus forcing landlords to pressure their tenants.

    Typically the minute farms raised pigs which were virtually self-sustaining and didn’t need significant input to fatten. Potatoes sustained the family, large, and the pigs, and in many cases cattle, paid the rent.

    When the blight came they survived the first year. When the potato crop failed the second year they ate the rent money. Then came the evictions, cruelly carried out in most cases but not all. Some landlords choose bankruptcy over eviction. Nobody mentions them, or thanks them!

    The deaths happened, no doubt about that. However, the numbers have been grossly exaggerated by leftist anti-british propagandists of which your author is one, cherry picking facts to support his political adversity to everything British.

    I don’t disagree that the Brits could be right bastards, so what’s new? They’ve been part of Ireland for over 400 years and despite the troubles they brought, can’t be dismissed.

    The current Irish Government has bowed to the woke leftist paradigm and are busy giving the Silverware away to satisfy the new woke religion of Anthropogenic Global Warming and Gender Disphoria which will, in the fullness of time, destroy the Republic.

    Ireland will be welcomed back into the United Kingdom! To the benefit of all.

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Hibernian
    , @Gemjunior
  64. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It is overwhelmingly in the Irish interest to junk the anti-English overly-wrought victimhood, and join the English in the fight against mass immigration, multiculturalism and all the rest. The fact is that if you bring in 1m Africans and Asians as per the Project Ireland 2040 plan, they don’t care about your history and culture. The average Afghan or Somali barging into Ireland doesn’t know who Cromwell was. The Irish are being used by the globalists and the original poster and everyone else in this thread don’t realise it.

  65. The Irish are being used by the globalists and the original poster and everyone else in this thread don’t realise it.

    You are mistaken. On several forums where I have eavesdropped or participated since the start of this century, this program of gradual but continuous disfranchisement as a prelude to an envisioned “polite genocide,” as one man put it about fifteen years ago, has prompted grave concern, anger, and frustration. In particular, years before the people at VDARE and the Occidental Observer ever mentioned the Irish situation, it was a hot topic at sites run or frequented by Traditional Catholics, as it was (and is) invariably the case that some of the regular commenters would be native-born Irishmen who were living at home or had moved to England or the States. For a great many pious Irish Catholics, Ireland and the Faith are inseparable, and many also see that the (((globalist forces))) working to destroy Ireland are identical to the ones working to eradicate the white nations of Europe and the Americas.

    In short, some of the participants here may be as much in the dark as you state, but I am not of their number, and I am certain I am not alone in that.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  66. @Pierre de Craon

    The remarks just above were meant as a reply to comment no. 65, from “Anon[527],” but I evidently failed to click the Reply tile. My apologies.

  67. Hibernian says:
    @Anon

    So am I, and I have a Harvard/Yale IQ.

  68. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous

    I disagree vehemently with your last sentence. Do you want to be a subject of King Charles? Or have a Queen Kate, or King Harry and Queen Megan?

  69. Gemjunior says:
    @Anonymous

    Well done at bringing it all together with facts and sanity. Some people won’t like it….
    I can’t STAND when White people argue with each other about trivia – especially Whites whose ethnicities are probably very similar. Listening to people like “anon” bitching about Irish having low IQs and wanting to be victims just shows he is a dick. And honestly, whether or not this famine should be regarded as a holocaust doesn’t even matter when we Whites are actually looking at a major holocaust coming our way – taking place within our lifetimes. So commenters, if you don’t have anything to say that brings White people together and gives us all a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood, loyalty and love – do the rest of us a favor and STFU.

    • Replies: @Anon
  70. Anon[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gemjunior

    No, I’m pointing out that the Irish (not for the first time in their history) are being the dicks here. They should not be patsies for globalism. We are all in a serious situation here with immigration, and need white nations to work together. Individual-nation nationalism can actually work to the globalists’ advantage. We need white nationalism.

  71. @aj54

    I can assure You-aj54 that the book is *impeccably researched & documentation extraordinary*.
    Yep. It’s that good.
    Truly a Historical Document which will be referenced long into the Future.
    Regards X-

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Veritas X-

    I have no doubt whatsoever that the documentation and the references are genuine.

    The problem is that it is generally accepted that most of the documentation was authored by those academics of the time who were violently opposed to British political control over Ireland and whose writings were exaggerated and seriously overstated.

    They cannot be relied upon to present an objective history of the events on the ground at the time. I have no doubt from the comments by those who’ve read it that it is totally skewed to put not only the British but also the huge Catholic Middle class in as bad a light as possible.

    Daniel O’Connell was a regular visitor to our house and not only got the Catholic Emancipation Act passed but was instrumental in negotiating more representation in the House of Commons than Irelands population should’ve been entitled to. Representation that today would ensure a United Irish party would command the balance of power in Westminster to the benefit of all.

    • Replies: @Veritas X-
  73. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The anti- british sentiments are conveniently forgotten by Fogerty and his ilk who were from the same political Irish collaborators with Nazi Germany during World War II.

    They did everything possible to mislead by turning what was a tragic famine into a causè celebrè in the ongoing effort to convict Britain of genocide in the vain hope of forcing the UK into paying reparations.

    What’s also conveniently dismissed is the UK’s ongoing financial and trade support of Ireland whose politicians thanked the British by kicking them in the teeth when Brexit became a reality.

    A position that rebounded against them seriously when the Brussels EU Bureaucracy threw the Irish Government under the bus and attempted to force a hard border on the island of Ireland contrary to the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.

    Your author and his sychopants are nothing more than troublemakers who’ve failed in every attempt they’ve made to sow division.

    This attempt will also fail!

  74. @Anonymous

    I have no idea who you are.
    However, I do know between 1919 and 1921, different(2) gov’ts were in place.
    The 2nd/present governmental form more or less usurped the original-intent of the 1st gov’t i.e.
    It sold-out the ‘revolution’ and made Ireland more-or-less a ‘holding company’ for the British elites.
    btw. “Have you read the book? All of it?”.
    Until then, please don’t give your…opinion about what Fogarty writes; Opinions are like a__holes. Everyone’s got 1.
    Adieu. X-

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  75. Anonymous[516] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Veritas X-

    I don’t need to read propaganda!

    The outlandish claim that 5 million people died of starvation in a genocide deliberately orchestrated by the British Government and the claim for reparations is enough to determine it’s a pack of lies.

    More fool you for taking it as gospel!

    • Troll: Veritas X-
  76. Anonymous[516] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Veritas X-

    The Irish Genocide promoters never seem to give up their quest for reparations. It will never happen!

    This from the Washington Post –

    IRELAND’S FAMINE WASN’T GENOCIDE
    By Timothy W. GuinnaneSeptember 17, 1997
    Students returning to high schools this fall will encounter another example of a recent and unwelcome development in public education. Several states have mandated that the Great Irish Famine of 1845-1850 be taught in their high schools as an example of genocide, sometimes in courses originally intended for the study of the Holocaust. More states are considering enacting similar measures. These mandates reflect the efforts of a small number of Irish American leaders who have pushed this line for ideological reasons. The reinterpretation of the famine as genocide has not been well-received by scholars who study the Irish famine. The mandates force schools to waste precious class time pushing an argument rejected by most historians.

    The famine directly caused the deaths of more than a million people and led at least 1 million more to emigrate. Most of Ireland’s population depended heavily on the potato when the crop was first struck by the potato blight, in 1845. The blight reduced potato harvests by as much as three-quarters below normal levels for the next three years. Ireland’s government at this time was effectively the British government. Those who view the famine as genocide claim either that the government engineered the crisis or that its reaction to the blight promoted as many deaths as possible. Some claim that there really was no food shortage in Ireland in the late 1840s. The British government, so this view goes, promoted the export of food from Ireland with the deliberate aim of starving the Irish people.

    This view amounts to saying either that there was no crop failure, or that even with the destruction of the potato crop, Ireland still could grow enough food for all her people, which is also false. The potato was popular in part because it can produce more calories in an acre of land than any other food. With the potato ruined, Ireland simply did not have enough land to feed her people. Some like to point to the export of food during the famine as evidence that there was enough food for all, but this is disingenuous: The amounts exported were small, and by 1847 Ireland was a large net importer of food.

    • Troll: Veritas X-
  77. ..so u haven’t read the book!
    troll…tra..lah.lah.lah..lah.
    ‘the difference between a c_nt and an a__hole is a little bit of skin’.
    lol.
    Adieu
    ps…u surely have ‘skin-in-the-game’

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