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NASA whistleblower Richard Cook is the author of Challenger Revealed: An Insider’s Account of How the Reagan Administration Caused the Greatest Tragedy of the Space Age. After the much-ballyhooed “teacher-in-space” Challenger space shuttle blew up, killing all crew members, in January, 1986, Cook spearheaded the partial unraveling of the coverup by feeding inside information and documents to journalists. Giving the lie to NASA propaganda, Cook showed that the lethal problem with the O-rings was common knowledge at NASA, including at its highest echelons. The Challenger obviously never should have flown in such cold conditions, not only due to the O-ring problem but also because of potential damage from ice. But political pressure from the top of the Reagan Administration—and “customer” pressure from the Star-Wars-addled military—overrode common sense and standard operating procedure. The result was a shocking national tragedy, followed by a coverup featuring widespread perjury and obstruction of justice. The truth (“Reagan murdered those astronauts by insisting on an unsafe launch so he could talk to the ‘teacher-in-space’ during his State of the Union speech”) was so toxic that just about everyone eventually fell in line with the coverup.I sent Richard some questions in advance of the interview, and he offered tentative answers: Here are some questions (sorry about all the “conspiracy” stuff, but that’s my bailiwick).In what ways was the Challenger disaster emblematic of the creeping corruption of the 1980s? Or should we describe it as a coup d’etat, since Reagan seems to have been installed by hyper-militaristic Deep State players who cut a deal with Iranians to keep the US hostages imprisoned, throwing the election to Reagan-Bush?

I worked in the Jimmy Carter White House at the time of the Reagan takeover. It was definitely a Deep State coup–no question about that at all. But it was also part of a continuity that began with the takeover of U.S. foreign policy by the CIA and military in the 1950s, continued with their assassination of the Kennedys in the 1960s, then on through the Reagan Revolution, the first Iraq war, 9/11, and all that has happened since then. Obama was obviously a CIA asset, as was Trump. It’s a joke to call the US a democracy with two parties that hate each other being egged on by a controlled media while the military prepares for the next phase of endless war.

You mention Barbara Honegger in connection with the October Surprise coup against Carter. Have you followed her career as a 9/11-anthrax investigator, and if so, what do you think of her work?

I don’t know anything about Barbara Honegger except what is in my book.

How was the Challenger explosion both a result of plans for the weaponization of space, and then a roadblock in those plans?

Challenger can’t be understood at all without focusing on the weaponization of space. We’ll need to cover that in detail.

Are you familiar with David Ray Griffin’s view that 9/11 was among other things a pretext to ramp up the weaponization of space, and if so, do you agree?

Not familiar with David Ray Griffin’s argument about a connection between 9/11 and weaponization of space. However, one purpose of 9/11 was certainly a false flag event to advance the Deep State agenda. Weaponization of space is a key part of that agenda. The military still favors a first strike on Russia and now China. Weaponization of space has always been a search for how to do that.

NASA as described in your book does not seem competent enough to have pulled off the Apollo moon landings and gotten all the astronauts back alive. Many of my listeners, including one former NASA engineer, tend to agree with the perspective expressed in this article: https://www.unz.com/article/the-moon-landing-a-giant-hoax-for-mankind/ Your thoughts?

NASA as described in my book was a far cry from the organization that put men on the moon. The key player in this was Dr. Werner von Braun along with his team of German engineers. NASA got rid of Von Braun because he opposed the technology of the space shuttle. I give no credence at all to theories that the moon landing was faked. As a professional analyst I want to see the evidence, and there isn’t any. Nor, as a career government employee, do I believe that everything the government says and does is a lie.

Another “conspiracy” school of thought holds that a nefarious earthling elite is clashing with a relatively benign federation of extraterrestrials, and that the ETs oppose earthling efforts to weaponize space—hence reports of ETs disabling nuclear weapons, etc. This seems to be the view of a former Canadian Defense Minister: https://noliesradio.org/archives/93985 Any thoughts or inisghts?

The question of extraterrestrials is a fascinating one. I have studied this in detail and tend to dismiss the claims about UFOs, etc., as no one has ever been able to prove their existence in a rigorous scientific way. Also, everything that has been claimed via channeling, trance states, etc., can easily be dismissed as hoax, hallucinations, or possibly possession. At the same time, it stands to reason that in the infinity of space many other planets host human-like beings. However, I do believe that what has been overlooked is the real possibility of beings or influences acting on human beings from other spiritual dimensions. Yes, I do believe there are celestial beings who oppose the nefarious designs of earthly elites. I also give credence to the idea that earth is a battleground between good and evil, possibly reflecting the religious idea of good vs. fallen angels battling it out. There is no question in my mind that the human proponents of war, injustice, etc., are “possessed” by demonic forces, possibly of different kinds. It thereby becomes the sacred duty of the rest of us to resist those influences, at least by not going along with them in our own lives. This is definitely something we can talk about. Also, Bo Yin Ra has a lot to say about these matters, especially in his essay “War and Peace” in The Book on the Living God.

Dr. Bob Bowman, who played a major role in your Challenger investigation, later became a leading member of the 9/11 truth movement. What do you think motivated him to pursue these difficult truths instead of going along with the program like most of his peers?

I don’t know what motivated Bowman, except that he was an honest, competent professional with backbone.

Richard Feynman (I used to teach some of his stuff in a humanities class on creativity) threw a couple of monkey wrenches into the Challenger coverup, but didn’t take it down. Why didn’t he make a bigger stink, such as resigning from the Commission and loudly stating what he thought really happened?

On Richard Feynman, I think he knew much more than he said, but he was, after all, a big name with a reputation to protect. I think he was afraid to rock the boat more than he did. I am sure that if he did resign from the Commission to speak out that the government and press would have let him have it with both barrels. Also, he may have been subject to threats and blackmail based on his personal life. I am sure that someone of his status had a CIA dossier.

Your book documents crimes by high government officials including reckless endangerment if not manslaughter or worse, (conspiracy to commit) perjury, and obstruction of justice. Yet you say “I ultimately realized that every person involved in the tragedy and subsequent events only did what seemed right to them at the time.” How can we understand this apparent paradox? Might it also apply to such crimes as political assassinations, false flag mass murders, biological warfare attacks that (potentially or actually) kill millions or billions, ritual satanic abuse by pedophile blackmail rings…at what point does elite deviance stop being well-intentioned? Is there a distinction between well-intentioned elite criminals and the other kind, and how do we draw that distinction?

I do believe that most people, including those who do evil, make some excuse for themselves at the moment when they cave in to internal or external weaknesses. I would put Reagan in this category. Of course, the caving-in easily becomes habitual or a way of life. Beyond this there are no doubt a few who do evil for the enjoyment of it. I think of my previous comment about fallen angels. I am presently reading about Hitler, and find that even he was making excuses for himself and rationalizing his actions based on assumptions he believed to have some truth behind them. I’m not too sure about Lenin and Stalin, however.\

And finally…Why the *&% didn’t Ron and Nancy Reagan listen to their astrologer?! (Who advised against the Challenger launch.)

I think that what Reagan’s astrologer told him probably was a surprise to him. By the time he got that advice, too many plans were already in motion.

I agree that what you have written about spiritual renewal as the only way out of our dilemmas is absolutely true. For myself, Bo Yin Ra is my guide in that direction. He says that as long as there is hate there will be war. So we have to find and uproot the hatred in ourselves as the first step.

(Republished from Truth Jihad by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. lee says:

    Article text:

    The truth (“Reagan murdered those astronauts by insisting on an unsafe launch so he could talk to the ‘teacher-in-space’ during his State of the Union speech”) was so toxic that just about everyone eventually fell in line with the coverup.

    I remember this event quite well and actually saw the “results” of the explosion real time from the opposite side of FL.

    Reagan wasn’t scheduled to speak to the teacher in space during his SOTU address—-a draft of his speech (that was delayed for over a week) never mentioned her.

    The big hoopla was her going to teach class while traveling through space to millions of kids worldwide.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
    , @orchardist
  2. dimples says:

    I’ve read Allan McDonald’s book Truth Lies and O-Rings and he says he’s the whistleblower. What’s going on?

  3. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    He doesn’t even know those astronauts are still alive.

    • Replies: @Walker
  4. I miss the 80s, the (real) USA and Reagan.

    It was a better time.

  5. GMC says:

    So many 9/11 s in the USAs history, but never a single person held accountable. Thanks for all your righteous articles, podcasts etc. Doc. I really enjoy how you hang in there on your covid – Pravda.

  6. Walker says:
    @Anonymous

    NASA truly is slimy as hell. You cant believe A SINGLE THING they promote.

    By the way, that’s just steam coming out of their so-called rockets with an empty so-called space shuttle attached to it.

  7. The draft speech they released was fake. Read my book, Challenger Revealed.
    There wasn’t just one whistleblower. There were several. McDonald was one of them. Again, read my book.
    Richard

    • Replies: @Walker
  8. “There is no question in my mind that the human proponents of war, injustice, etc., are “possessed” by demonic forces, possibly of different kinds.”

    Moon landing was a hoax: ridiculous, no evidence whatsoever

    Humans possessed by a variety of alien demons: no question in his mind

    I guess this is a “Paul isn’t really dead but Elvis lives” kind of guy.

    • Agree: Chester
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  9. @lee

    NASA should have been able to answer some questions about what hit the pentagon on September 11, 2001, and to what extent Mossad was involved in the mass murders that day, as some leaders in other countries believe to be the case. Getting to the truth of that is the kind of whistle blowing I am keen to learn about.

    p.s. Where can we see a copy of the original speech Reagan was going to give that day?

  10. cooltemp says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Yea, Iran contra, right wing death squads raping and killing nuns in El Salvador. It sure was swell, NOT!!!

    • Agree: Biff, acementhead
  11. Walker says:
    @Richard Cook

    Are you a freemason? Do you have any friends or family who are freemasons?

    Any comments on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rqAbLxYtwM

  12. Yea, Iran contra, right wing death squads raping and killing nuns in El Salvador. It sure was swell, NOT!!!

    You can find these historical hiccups anytime, anywhere.

    LONG LIVE THE 80s, the last optimistic American decade.

  13. @lee

    The faked moon landings were cover for Project Azorian and the subsequent demise of the USSR in 1991.

  14. The destruction of CHALLENGER and the deaths of its astronauts spawned a lot of black humor. Some I remember:

    What’s the first thing that went through Christa McAuliffe’s mind? The instrument panel.

    What does NASA stand for? Need Another Seven Astronauts.

    Christa McAuliffe taught social studies. Now she’s history.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
    , @donut
  15. BorisMay says:

    Spiritual renewal is a very acute observation.

    Current thought on God and the Devil is that in the spirit world (as considered by Christian Spiritualists), is that there are trillions or quadrillions of souls that have reincarnated numerous times.

    Many of these souls are what might be termed enlightened or saintly and that together they form what man terms as ‘God’ that work for good, wholesome and positive outcomes.

    Many more souls are evil or devilish that work together to destroy, deform and debase humankind. They are, from a human perspective best referred to as the Devil or Satan.

    Even more souls that vastly outweigh these great numbers by many factors are either inclined towards good or inclined towards evil with varying degrees of either good or evil.

    These souls (difficult for Christians to accept this I know) reincarnate by personal choice to experience certain predefined situations to enable them to advance spiritually.

    Thus if you can accept these fundamentals ‘spiritual renewal’ or ‘spiritual enlightenment ‘ is clearly the way ahead for mankind. It is, after all, the only reason why we are alive today.

    While Christian Spiritualists, Cathars, Buddhists, Heathens, Hindus, some Muslims even, Sami, most shamen and quite a few Jews can go along with this concept with certain variations, most people can not because it contradicts the religious beliefs they have been brainwashed with. I know it is difficult for many, just as it was for me for the first 40 years of my life.

    But this author is very perceptive in stating what to many is obvious…removal of hate from our beings to permit spiritual renewal.

    • Replies: @dimples
  16. Also, there was the destruction of space shuttle COLUMBIA during re-entry on February 1, 2003. During the launch, a piece of foam insulation from the fuel tank hit the shuttle’s wing, causing the damage that would to COLUMBIA’s fatal re-entry.

  17. dimples says:
    @BorisMay

    Frankly I think there is a lot more to it than hate. American wars are clearly all about fun and excitement with guns and missiles, worship of war heroes and work for the Deep State, not to mention the money made by the MIC. Hate can be a good thing, like hating corruption and the MIC for example.

  18. My blog has a good short summary:

    Jan 29, 2016 – Remembering the Space Shuttle Murders

    Many news stories ran today remembering this disaster 30 years ago, but none told the true story. The rubber-like O-rings that kept the fuel sealed tight contracted in cooler temperatures. As a result, an atmospheric limit of 40F was set for a safe launch. Meanwhile, the Space Shuttle program was under criticism due to high costs and low launch rates. The Challenger launch was cancelled due to abnormally cold weather in Florida. It was ready for launch a few days later but it was still too cold that morning, 29F, and the lowest temperature ever at launch was 53F.

    The NASA launch engineer section kept a firm NO GO for launch, infuriating the political NASA administrator. He contacted the rocket designers at Morton-Thiokol and asked them to change the safety limit. They refused since they could see ice on the launch pad! (pictured) Everything was ready for a long overdue launch but it was too damn cold and the engineers refused to play ball and ignore the established safety limit by a few degrees. The head of NASA gave up berating the engineers and ordered the launch. The seals leaked and BOOM! This is the story that we should remember.
    _________________

    A coverup ensued where a Presidential commission wrote that engineers had approved waving the rules. They did not.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @dimples
  19. SafeNow says:

    “High Flight,” by John Gillespie Magee. Uncredited by The Great Communicator and his speechwriter, Peggy Noonan. As long as we are discussing ethics, I thought I would mention what I consider to be an ethical lapse. Government, as Brandeis wrote, is the omnipresent teacher.

  20. Notamason says:

    The U. S. Government always constructs a backdoor prior to execution of an action. Citizens do the opposite of Uncle Sam you will be farther ahead. Lies and Contortions.

  21. MBlanc46 says:

    I recommend Diane Vaughan’s The Challenger Launch Decision. University of Chicago Press, 1996.

  22. anaccount says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    I grew up on Reagan bullshit so I hear you on that but now I know the truth. Reagan was a globalist stooge, an actor, the best of the best. No one lulled the Right into a false sense of security like Reagan did. Bush and Trump were amateurs.

  23. No one lulled the Right into a false sense of security like Reagan did.

    The false sense of security may have stemmed from the country still being 80% White in 1980.

    Reagan had his faults but was a never-matched brilliant communicator and leader. He inspired optimism, which we lost in the 90s (perhaps forever) along with the half-assed unity which is the best possible outcome in a multicultural sewer stirred by you-know-whos.

    Compared to the cowards, stooges and sociopaths who sullied the Office after him, Reagan remains one of the best modern Presidents. Just my two cents, not looking for arguments.

  24. JackOH says:

    From Kevin’s question to Mr. Cook:

    ” . . . [C]rimes by high government officials including reckless endangerment if not manslaughter or worse, (conspiracy to commit) perjury, and obstruction of justice.”

    Political leaders and corporate managers know the big secret of being an American salaryman is that most (50% +1) will likely collaborate in a bad decision, even a decision that hints at criminal or civil consequences, because they just can’t afford to lose a steady job. (I do know a few people who walked after being told to do hinky stuff. They hurt, some badly. Catastrophic income loss, vocational blackballing, domestic strife, divorce, etc.)

    I’m fairly confident today’s distribution of American health care will be thought of by historians and legal scholars in 2050 as having identifiable criminal and civilly actionable elements to it resulting in catastrophic consequences for many Americans. Nobody in government, the academy, think tanks, etc., is going to rock the boat now, though, that’s for sure.

    Kevin, thanks again for that Sean McMeekin interview a while back. I’m getting his book soon.

  25. On the moon landing–there is tons of evidence it was as fake as a three dollar bill.

    For anyone interested in reading about it the best website (lots of scientists and engineers from all over the world) is this one:

    https://www.aulis.com/investigation.htm

    • Agree: Walker
  26. It’s a joke to call the US a democracy with two parties that hate each other being egged on by a controlled media while the military prepares for the next phase of endless war.

    You need a comma there, otherwise you’re saying the whole sentence is a joke and the military isn’t preparing for endless war.

    It’s a joke to call the US a democracy, with two parties that hate each other being egged on by a controlled media while the military prepares for the next phase of endless war.

  27. @Sollipsist

    Paul isn’t really dead but Elvis lives

    I’ve been boggling on that for a few minutes now. At first I thought it was a mistake. Then I thought you meant they are both alive, but Elvis’ life is somehow better than Paul’s mere existence. Then …

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  28. dimples says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    That’s a rough and not very accurate description. The Morton Thiokol engineers said NO, so NASA then talked to Thiokol management who said YES. There was a big contract renewal coming up so they were not about to quibble.

    The thing that stands out about the whole story is the NASA bureaucrats’ loony determination to launch at any cost. Sure the seals were dodgy but they had always worked before and from their point of view the engineers data was not conclusive. They even came up with ridiculous calculations showing that the o-rings were extensible enough at the temperature. So if Mr Cook says that they were under pressure from the Reagan administration this would not be a surprise.

    The obvious parallel today is with the medical bureaucracy and their loony Covid vaccine hysteria. Somebody at the top has enforced the vaccine only policy and this has filtered down the hierarchical bureaucratic structure to national and state medical bureaucracies and finally the medical practitioners controlled by them.

    So the lesson is that we are an over-bureaucratised society run by second-rate idiots controlled by big money. And the leftoons want us to think that the technocratic state is the ultimate form of government.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  29. @Orville H. Larson

    Coincidentally, a folklorist named Elliot Oring (O-ring) wrote a very interesting article about Challenger disaster jokes: https://www.jstor.org/stable/540324

    That article is pertinent here in part because Oring argues that people spread “sick” disaster jokes as a way of pushing back against the sanctimonious hypocrisy of mainstream media coverage.

    • Thanks: Orville H. Larson
  30. @Badger Down

    If we could only prove that Elvis died from too much cranberry sauce, it would all come full circle.

  31. @dimples

    The NASA of today is the “dog ate my homework” agency.

    This article has a hilarious list of excuses of why the alleged “return” to the moon is delayed:

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/space-news/nasa-pushes-back-astronaut-lunar-landing-goal-to-2025/1045502

    • Replies: @Walker
  32. Walker says:
    @Justvisiting

    NASA is a freemasonic org that lies about EVERYTHING.

    They use Photoshop, CGI, sleight of hand, movie magic and any other techniques they can think of to deceive.

    Truly some of the America’s most despicable.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  33. @Walker

    For those who think that China will finally expose the US fraud as they explore the moon, fuggedaboutit–they fake their manned space missions as well:

    https://www.aulis.com/discrepancies.htm

    This is like a card game where everybody at the table is a crook.

    • Replies: @Carlo
  34. Great interview, thanks for this

    • Thanks: Kevin Barrett
  35. Carlo says:
    @Justvisiting

    If it is just a matter of faking a Moon mission, I wonder why the Soviets didn’t do it, instead of suffering the humiliation not only of being beaten by the US (in a time when they had one victory after another in the Space Race), but not even being able to ever reach the Moon with a manned mission.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  36. @Carlo

    Nixon made a wheat deal with the Soviets–and their silence on the US space fraud was part of the arrangement.

    A great book that covers this in more depth:

    The Soviets quickly realized that a manned moon mission was impossible with current technology–and Nixon gave them a win-win scenario.

  37. We forget that the presidential election was in November 1986 and the Challenger disaster was in January 1986. As we have seen more clearly recently, the Challenger mishap could have been yet another deep state managed spectacle meant to blame Reagan’s so-called budget stinginess to NASA using cheaper O rings on the rocket.

    As for the comment about extraterrestrials, it seems that is a psy op much like a Vance Packard hidden persuader in a Sci Fi movie. The current day elites tend to broadcast what they are going to do in the future (Great Reset, Viruses, etc.). One of those future events is to convince the world population that there are extraterrestrials visiting earth to accomplish to goals: 1) to delegitimize and demythologize tradition religion, especially Christianity; 2) to psychologically persuade the populace that a future energy beam attack from space is from an alien space craft and not from a world government on earth. Andy Nowiki has written a recent Sci-Fi novel on just such a future prospect where 50 cities would be destroyed by an energy beam from space that would be blamed on space aliens. As preposterous as this sounds, it is apparently preparing the world for a mass depopulation by a futuristic weapon that would fry cities and render those with handguns impotent to stop it. 1984 and Brave New World were novels that accurately foresaw what we are now undergoing, so novels are something to listen to.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  38. @Wayne Lusvardi

    the presidential election was in November 1986

    Reagan was elected President in November, 1980 and re-elected in November, 1984.

    Bush I was elected in November, 1988.

    Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election

    convince the world population that there are extraterrestrials visiting earth

    There has been speculation on this point since the infamous Brookings Report of 1960:

    https://gizmodo.com/the-brookings-institution-gave-nasa-advice-about-extrat-1575484410

    The report said it would be messy and unpredictable–I think that remains the consensus of the elites to the present day.

  39. donut says:
    @Orville H. Larson

    I was working for Morton-Thiokol at the Space Center at the time , I heard this joke literally within hours of the explosion :

    Christa McAuliffe had a dandruff problem . How do they know ? They found her Head and Shoulders on the beach .

    BTW the USAF was supposed to get it’s own space shuttle which was going to launch from Vandenberg AFB in California , the Challenger explosion put the kibosh on that plan . So that was probably a good thing .

    • Replies: @Carlo
  40. Carlo says:
    @donut

    Well, took more time, but in the end the USAF received its own (mini) space shuttle, the X-37B.

  41. profnasty says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Notably Reagan faced a small 911 when the Lebanon Marine contingent was bombed.
    Instead of dutifully attacking Lebanon, as Israel intended, he walked away.
    He knew Israel was behind the attack.
    It took guts to walk away.
    I give him credit for that.
    Also, I don’t blame him for Challenger.
    No one could have known, and it wasn’t imminent.
    And also. Reagan helped to free Russia.
    Bravo.

    • Replies: @Kevin Barrett
  42. @profnasty

    The Israelis presumably learned that the Beirut barracks bombing false flag failed because it wasn’t big enough. They realized that to get a Pearl Harbor effect, you need to kill a few thousand people, not just a few hundred—preferably “in the homeland” rather than far away where we had no business being in the first place.

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