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Two notable Australians—science professor and excess mortality expert Gideon Polya, and New World Order researcher Peter Myers—square off to debate the COVID lockdowns and anti-lockdown protests down under. They also discuss Dr. Polya’s research on holocausts and genocides, including his recent article “Lying America did 9/11 and then killed 30 million Muslims.”

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• Category: Ideology • Tags: Anti-Vaxx, Coronavirus 
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  1. You have Life?  Good.  Then Life has you as well  All of you! Every organ, every drop of blood and, of course, your brain: your mind. But I have free will!, you say. Of course you do. Sort of

    .Now Life is normally quite placid. Even though Life lives on by consuming itself; the feasting is benign, as it is with all Life’s wards; with one notable exception. You.  And the rest of the human race. We are Life consuming gluttons extraordinaire. Think Gettysburg, Dachau, Hiroshima and …factory farming: ad nausea.This is not new, of course. Our behavior is old news. Life has cut slack to humans because we have a uniqueness that has warranted observation over time. Time may have just run out.

     Humans now have the ability to destroy the biosphere. Our pernicious conduct may have convinced Life that without its prompt.interjection; it is inevitable.Enter Mr.Covid 19. Force Majeure of modern plagues. Sponsor of the blame game to end all blame games. Seven billion people have an opinion…and an asshole. The ones who have a microphone or a computer demonstrate both, daily. Think Life has a hand in all this?

    Maybe the plague is a worldwide distraction to give the Biosphere a little breathing room to heal from ongoing human assault? Hmmm.Millions are dead. Millions are becoming infected every day. The virus twists and turns and presents a new face constantly. We rush to keep up but seemingly always lag behind. How so? Is it out of our hands?

    • Troll: schnellandine
  2. Anon[450] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m surprised Ron Unz allows you to keep on spamming this site with this same old tripe every day. Give it a rest, please. There’s nothing of value in this comment and no need to repeat it like you are doing. Take up knitting or something else but kindly STFU.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Anon
  3. How horrible is the Australian accent? I never really listened to it before. It’s disgusting to the ear.

  4. Ed Case says:
    @Chris in Cackalacky

    Both of these clowns are mouthbreathing Labor Party shills who tell lies for a living.
    Why Kevin Barrett continues to promote Gideon Polya is a mystery, the guy is a complete unknown in Australia.

  5. @Ed Case

    Polya’s howlers:

    1. Region A had severe lockdown and few virus deaths
    2. Region B did not have severe lockdown and had more virus deaths
    According to Polya, the scientific conclusion is that lockdowns ‘work.’ they are the cause of avoidance of death from virus.

    Which a third grader knows is nonsense for three main reasons:
    1. the starting information is tainted — even deliberately dishonest: the virus was not nearly as deadly as “government” claimed;
    2. not all other variables have been eliminated;
    3. lockdowns brought with them their own morbid set of circumstances, from suicide, isolation, depression and the like. Public health is a TOTAL concept, not univocal.

    Also, what happens when lockdown ends? Will lockdowns have eradicated the virus, or merely removed people from its presence for a time?

    My hypothesis: Locked down Austrailians immune systems will have been hothoused, weakened, incapable of kicking normal systems into gear to avoid or function normally against germs.
    End of lockdown will see MORE sickness.

    B. @ 21 min, Polya said, “The critical thing is that governments and health departments have to make decisions.”

    Dead wrong.
    Individuals have to make decisions.
    Never before have “governments” been charged with, nor are they authorized to, “make decisions” about an individual’s health, especially when the populace is under so innocuous a threat as a virus.

    Interesting talk for Mises Institute by John Tamny on his book, When Politicians Panicked.
    Tamny argues that the free and responsible individual “has to make decisions about his own health,” including the state of his health in relation to others in his circle/community. It has been ever thus.
    “Governments and health departments” taking charge of those decisions was/is an inappropriate over-reach that has had dire economic as well as public health consequences.

    • Thanks: Ed Case
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  6. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    My comment was intended for Robert Magill.

  7. @Chris in Cackalacky

    This probably means you won’t ever visit our fair country. Everybody wins!

  8. Wuhan Dan Premier of Victoria Australia has finally moved to mandated jabs.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  9. @Ed Case

    Whereas the name ‘Ed Case’ is on every lip.

  10. @Chris in Cackalacky

    I once had hearing loss in one ear without knowing it and someone with an australian accent called me. Thought I was losing my mind.

  11. @Cookie Boy

    The move to a type of deracinated, totalitarian, bunyip fascism has been quite rapid.

  12. @Insouciant

    You make a good case, regarding Polya’s regretable errors, but individuals making their own choices runs the risk of a population of brainwashed, pig ignorant, dullards, making horrendous mistakes. What, in my opinion, is needed, is a benign central authority that educates its populace and trusts them, then allows and empowers them to make rational choices, ones that will, in large part, need to be implemented by groups of individuals, whether families, communities or other collectives. The total reliance on individualism is a cultic belief, based in large part on misanthropy and narcissistic egotism, that must lead to tyranny of the powerful and ruthless.

    • Thanks: JWalters
  13. The problem with this “debate” is that Mr. Meyers concedes that the PCR test is legit. It is not.

    But, maybe I missed something. Maybe since the last time I checked the PCR test for “covid” has been shown to be a non-fraudulent method of diagnosing “covid”.

    The foundation for the entire covid BS story is this research tool called the RT PCR. This so-called test can be manipulated to show whatever results are desired by the scum behind this covid fraud.

    Can anyone show me where the “covid” PCR test has be deemed accurate?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  14. JWalters says:

    Very good debates, knowledgeable and civilized.

    Regarding COVID, it seems to me we have a story within a story. The macro story is an oligarchy that creates catastrophes in order to profit by them, even at the cost of vast numbers of lives. Afghanistan is a recently certified example. And there is compelling evidence that the COVID pandemic is another. Inside that story we have a virus on the loose and need to address it, so what is the best approach. If we trust the oligarchy we will take one approach (maximum vaccinations). If we don’t trust the oligarchy we’ll take another (perhaps ivermectin). Possibly a mixed approach is appropriate, but we know we’re being lied to by the “authorities”, and we don’t know the long term risks of the vaccines because they haven’t been around long enough to see long-term effects. For example, will large numbers of vaccinated people start developing leaky blood vessels after two or three years?

    Regarding whether Israel is the US’s vassal or the reverse, there is a clear historical case that both Israel and the US are controlled by a financial gang headquartered in the City of London, with a major satellite center in Wall Street. This financial power center emerged as the financial power behind the British East India Company, took control of the UK, and then the US. This center is primarily Jewish, and Israel is a pet project. The basic story is traced in “War Profiteers and Israel’s Bank”

  15. hillaire says:

    It is unlikely you will get more than sophistry with heh heh, ‘gideon polya’ and heh heh, ‘peter myers’…

    I’m not accusing them of disinformation… oh no no, but of course one has to ask oneself whether such mainstream narrative reinforcement (particularly with all the info available and from the org’s running the psy-op).. dressed up as alternative view points is in fact just another layer in the kosher onion…

    I mean come now.. before one could even send the pigs in to kick the shit out of old ladies and children who refuse genetic modification…

    one would need a test that works (the CDC is withdrawing its test because it cannot distinguish influenza from ahem, the microsoft coff®)… and of course a real disease to actually test for ( ask a credentialed imbecile for isolates, because the coff is as real as intro-venous genetic modification is safe and effective)…

    now…. how are those ‘quarantine camps’ coming along and have there been any more ‘jewish’ diggers (wizards of oz) charged with government corruption today ?….

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  16. @2stateshmustate

    The foundation for the entire covid BS story is this research tool called the RT PCR.

    That’s a starting point, and we could if you wanted limit considering it to clinical diagnostics instead of using it for public health surveillance. Because there’s too much aligned evidence that tells us something terrible is happening, like in countries such as the US where the virus was and still is allowed to run wild our all cause mortality statistics are very bad. If COVID hasn’t killed around a million people per Ron Unz’s estimates based on those, what is killing people?

    There’s also lots more at the molecular genetics level like RT-PCR such whole genome sequencing, which allowed us to see how the virus spread due to minor mutations and the founder effect, and then watch in turn classic Wuhan being replaced by more transmissible Alpha, and for the same reason it being replaced by Delta. We can look at specific mutations on the spike protein of those variants and make sense of them in the context of the disease they produce.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  17. @hillaire

    one would need a test that works (the CDC is withdrawing its test because it cannot distinguish influenza from ahem, the microsoft coff®)…

    That’s a misrepresentation, the initial CDC test being withdrawn at the end of the year only tests for COVID. If the patient has influenza it returns a negative result and that’s wasteful, so like many other entities the CDC in the middle of 2020 developed and got a FDA EUA that tests for both at the same time, see here. Type CDC into the search box and you’ll see both, the newer one “Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay.”

    And like 2stateshmustate, if COVID isn’t killing all these people, you’re required to supply an explanation for what is.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  18. hillaire says:

    It isn’t my purview to educate imbeciles… you have had quite long enough to work out what is happening for yourself..

    with that said..

    you have my deepest sympathies… (I wouldn’t get any more boosters if I were you)…

  19. @That Would Be Telling

    I would suggest that if there truly is higher mortality which I don’t concede.
    Here’s a very partial list of reasons for it.

    1. Most important, those admitted to the hospital were not allowed to be looked after by an interested relative or friend. Covid fraud or not, if you’re and old person, without someone who really cares about you overseeing your care you’re headed for the morgue.

    2. Unauthorized “Do Not Resuscitate” for oldsters without permission of individual or family.

    3. Taking oldsters from hospitals where they were being treated for a condition and sending them to old folks homes where no continuing care was available. And there they died.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  20. From the Babylon Bee, and pretty sure not very funny down under, “Australian Hospitals Over Capacity With People Beaten By Police For Not Wearing Masks” Any reliable reports on how bad it’s getting? Even meta reports like I might remember of turning off the Internet in places?

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
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  21. @That Would Be Telling

    How many cycles is this “test” for “covid” being ran? Any more than 25 cycles is suspect. Anymore than 30 is meaningless BS.
    No the RT-PCR is not a test for “covid”.

  22. @That Would Be Telling

    It’s a beat-up. Things are bad, as our fifth-rate elites go full totalitarian, but the people beaten up by The Filth were looking for a fight. One doughty ‘warrior’ even smacked a poor old police horse in the face. Hospitals, at least proper, public, ones, dedicated to care not profit, are ALWAYS full, or money is being wasted. ‘Over-capacity’ is meaningless presstitute propaganda gibberish. The scum report that hospitals are ‘near collapse’ everywhere, but none ever actually crash and burn. Hospital workers are clever, dedicated and resilient.

  23. @2stateshmustate

    Well said!!! The Big Pharma troll, TWBT, don’t like facts, does it?

  24. Al Ross says:

    Do Muslim countries like Bangladesh , Pakistan or Indonesia need our help ?

    Tell ’em *uck ’em .

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