Alan Sabrosky and editorial assistant Cat McGuire discuss their new essay “Unsettled History: The Useful Abuse of the Holocaust.” It begins with a meditation on Mark Zuckerberg’s announcement that Facebook would no longer permit “misinformation about settled historical events,” and goes on to question just how “settled” historical events can ever be, with the Holocaust being a case in point.
Alan Ned Sabrosky (Ph.D., University of Michigan) is a writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs. In December 1988, he received the Superior Civilian Service Award after more than five years of service at the U.S. Army War College as Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute, and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research. He is listed in WHO’S WHO IN THE EAST (23rd ed.). A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College, Dr. Sabrosky’s teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Dr. Sabrosky has lectured widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad.
The Jews get more mileage out of the Holohoax than Toyota gets out of a solar-powered Prius.
Very interesting discussion (also to hear their reactions to the previous hour). Thanks!
The holohoax is not an ‘unsettled event’, it is a prima facie preposterous hoax. I started looking into the hoax when I learned that the stone plaque that said that 4 million had been murdered at Auschwitz was replaced in 1990 by a new plaque claiming that 1.5 million had been murdered, ‘mostly Jews’. When I began looking for info it didn’t take long to discover the ‘gas chamber’ at Auschwitz. This is the door into the gas chamber …It became my touchstone. Millions have seen the ‘gas chamber’ and as far as I know none laughed out loud. A testament to the remarkable gullibility of human beings. See many holohoax absurdities at http://www.holohoax101.org
Great interview, thanks. I laughed at the PALE of Settlement vs. PALE-stein quip.
So now we’re very serious about ‘settled history’ — that’s odd, hardly a week goes by without some new finding by woke academics and self-appointed mythbusters that something we thought we knew was wrong.
Attacks on most cherished assumptions are the bread and butter for entire fields, from clickbait sensationalist media to institutions of higher learning… and the “new understanding” is typically quite in line with the institution’s preferred world view. Go figure.
My deep thanks to Alan, Cat, and Kevin for this sane & sober, rational & thoughtful discussion of a fundamentally important issue for our society.
The “anti-Semite” attack is now widely recognized as a cheap, baseless, dishonest slander intended to silence honest discussion.
My sense is that the tide is turning thanks to the brave, determined defense of truth and integrity by people like yourselves.
The USA is replete with munificently grant – endowed, professors of History , so we are entitled to ask why it took a professor of engineering at Northwestern University , Dr. Arthur Butz , to write a book titled ‘ The Hoax of the Twentieth Century’.
Not a proper noun, the word “holocaust” should not be capitalized unless it happens to be the first word of a sentence.
…can’t help but wonder if space-expert Elon thinks the fake moon landings are “settled historical events”?
ADL Head Rips Whoopi Goldberg for Holocaust Remarks
Whoopi Goldberg is in trouble again for expressing her innocent opinion on holocaust.
The head of the Anti-Defamation League on Tuesday criticized “The View” co-host Whoopi Goldberg over her recent comments on the Holocaust, which he called “deeply offensive.”Goldberg said in an interview with The Sunday Times that the Holocaust “wasn’t originally” focused on race.
“Remember who they were killing first,” she said. “They were not killing racial; they were killing physical. They were killing people they considered to be mentally defective. And then they made this decision.”
Then Greenblatt made a statement where viewing people as gullible. Why is he not held responsible?
This arrogant person thinks people have NO brain and ADL should direct them how to express themselves. People of the world must stand up together against hypocrisy of the tribe and do not follow the order. ADL reserves the right to make LIES about leaders the zionist tribe wants to overthrow, like they staged a worldwide campaign against Ahmadinejad using the zionist media to spread HATRED against Iranian people. ADL spread hatred against other races and groups whom they are disagree with.
He added, “Germans considered themselves the ‘master race’ and claimed all other non-Aryans were inferior. This is a trope we still hear echoed by white supremacists in the U.S. today.
This fits the racist zionists’ attitude who kill children and scientists with impunity because they think they are superior as ‘race’. ADL Probably suggests Goldberg to start with “Holocaust for Dummies”.
Zionist supremacists want to erase the Palestinian people. Any outrage from Zelensky supporters?
One must ask Greenblatt from the terrorist organization of ADL” Who is supremacist? You who support Netanyahu’s action or Goldberg?
As much as I abhor the likes of Whoopie Goldberg (who claims to be jewish), she was absolutely correct in pointing out that there was much more human suffering during WW2 than the (minimal) suffering of jews. The jews attacked her for speaking the truth (for once).
You see, jews have to be the “bride at every wedding” and the “corpse at every funeral”.
This is why jews bristle in horror when the “goyim” speak of suffering and deaths of those “other than jews”, especially when referring to their phony “holocaust™”.
Since us “goyim” are considered to be “subhuman livestock, albeit with souls, to be used for the advantage of the jews”, our deaths and other tragedies don’t count. It’s in the jewish Talmud.
“They were not killing racial; they were killing physical. They were killing people they considered to be mentally defective.” They were not just “considered” mentally defective. The people affected by the euthanasia program had severe mental disabilities and would never have had normal lives. Like everything the Jews talk about in relation to Germans, this is distorted. What was done was not out of malice. When enough Germans complained, the government stopped the program.
Thanks for the help, Whoopi, but no thanks. When I was growing up, I recall my German mother using the expression “master race” once. Amid all the hatred Jews were peddling in Holocaust movies and its endless discussion everywhere else, they frequently referred to the expression “master race” and claimed it was a term Germans used and believed in. That’s a lie. I would bet in all the literature of the time you could find it somewhere, but that was not an expression used. However, unlike today, the Germans were a proud people and had a lot to be proud of. They were the leaders in all the sciences and had more Nobel Prizes than any country in the world; their contributions to music could only be matched perhaps by Italy (but Italy didn’t have Beethoven, Bach, or Mozart); and they had great philosophers and poets. Funny, I never hear anyone complain when Americans continuously refer to themselves as “the greatest country in the world.” Many people say that, including Sean Hannity from Fox News when the US was bombing Baghdad and killing Iraqis using the WMD lie as an excuse.
As far as Whoopi’s claim that Germany’s policies against Jews were not based on race, the first thing to note is that those policies were not enacted because anyone was of a separate race or religion. They were enacted because Jews were believed to have acted against Germany’s interests (particularly during WWI), and they did not approve of certain Jewish behaviors. The Germans were not unique in holding such views. Jews who served in the German army during World War I or did certain things that significantly contributed to the war effort were exempt from anti-Jewish legislation and treated the same as any other German. Some of those Jews stayed in Germany after Hitler came to power, and others left despite not being discriminated against themselves.
Furthermore, as far as whether Jews are a race or religion, Jews claim one or the other repeatedly, depending on the context and whether it benefits them or not. The statement “Jews are not a race” is said all the time without any charges of anti-semitism being made by Jews. That’s because Jews say that frequently themselves and act as if they believe it. Similarly, Jews often say they are white. Yes, they often say that. White is a race itself. But, at the same time, Jews often refer to “white supremacists.” In this case, they are suggesting they are a separate race or people. They accuse white Christians (or non-Jews) of being “racists,” “NAZIS,” “white supremacists,” or “anti-semites,” and they suggest that they themselves are not white, separating themselves from “evil” whites. And don’t suggest they played a big role in the slave trade, you anti-semite. They also like that they are considered intelligent and don’t object if it’s said this is genetic, which would suggest Jews are a different race. And then, a few minutes later, Jews are a religion.
Religion or race are both repeatedly suggested as the determining factor in Wikipedia biographies. Jews have a big role in Wikipedia. While many Americans (and Europeans) abandoned Christianity decades ago, I believe Wikipedia frequently mentions someone’s religion (even if they abandoned it at the age of 13) in order to discuss and differentiate Jews from Christians. Religion may have played a minor role in a prominent Jew’s life, but Wikipedia still wants to mention it, perhaps because he or she reflects well upon Jews. But contrary to that, Jews consider someone Jewish if his or her mother was Jewish, and Israel is unconcerned about how religious a Jew claiming citizenship is. The deciding factor is whether or not he or she was born to Jewish parents.
SHAEF’s Psychological Warfare unit was tasked specifically with fabricating atrocity stories about the German government, in order to weaken domestic support for the regime and the war effort. According to the memoir of the unit, Sykewar (MIT Press, 1971), that aspect of their work is the only part still classified as top secret.
The western imperialist powers’ war on Germany was a war to eradicate nationalist socialism, whose unprecedented success implicitly jeopardized the survival of capitalism. The ultimate object of the war they provoked was essentially to colonize Germany, Europe’s industrial powerhouse, as if it were a Third World nation to plunder without restraint. For obvious reasons, Stalin joined in on the fun, and it could be argued that he was the big winner in the war that he intentionally enabled with the von Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, certainly in territorial gains.
Jews were simply not a factor in this titanic struggle. They were given control of the postwar narrative about the Third Reich because they could be relied upon to be implacably hostile to Germany. That government had done the unforgivable, taken appropriate steps to neutralize the considerable power of organized Jewry to cause mischief in the nation’s internal affairs. The Reich’s effective cooperation with the German Zionist lobby to humanely relocate German Jews to Palestine is now as unspeakable as it is to question the holo-narrative itself. The emotional impact of a supposed genocide continues to efficiently overlay the real reasons that Germany had to be destroyed. Blaming the victim is a time-honored tradition of abusers everywhere.
It is also factual that as German forces rolled eastward to eliminate Stalin’s terrorist regime, they encountered many hands already most eager to spill Jewish blood, among Ukrainians, Romanians, and other devoutly Christian peoples of Eastern Europe. And the targets of the much-maligned Einsatzgruppen were partisan fighters, whose killing on sight was allowed by the Geneva Convention. Many were Jewish communist commissars, adding fuel to the narrative of mass murder that begins to take shape in the western media –interestingly enough – after Stalingrad, when the hitherto invincible Wehrmacht suffered its first defeat, and now the gloves could come off in the propaganda war with an adversary now seen as unlikely to survive the effort to annihilate it by vastly stronger global empires.
Kindly explain the presence of Apollo remains in numerous lunar photo surveys.
That’s interesting. Can you provide a reference link please. Thanks.
Some true facts you’ve pointed out indeed, but this
Jews who served in the German army during World War I or did certain things that significantly contributed to the war effort were exempt from anti-Jewish legislation and treated the same as any other German
is plainly false: “Au cours de l’hiver 1943 arrivèrent à Treblinka les derniers Juifs allemands, tous grands blessés de guerre ou titulaires de la croix de fer de première classe; Plus encore que les Juifs polonais, ils avaient toujours refusé d’admettre la réalité de l’extermination. (…) Ce terrible aveuglement dura jusqu’au seuil des chambres à gaz // During the winter of 1943 the last German Jews came to Treblinka, all of them grand wounded of the (1st world) war, or bearers of the 1st class iron cross. Even more than the Polish Jews, they always had refused to admit the reality of the extermination. (…) This terrible blindness persisted until the threshold of the gas chambers“, Treblinka by Jean-François Steiner, Librairie Arthème Fayard, Paris 1966, p. 254, bold writing mine (the said gas chambers, by then, were 13, which could “handle” 2600 Jews each half-hour, p. 251).
You do accept the established historical record that no more than 3 mil could have perished in the H, yes? In 1992 the death total at Auschwitz was established to be 1 point something mil, subracting 3 from the six. The entry plaques were changed. Jpost and nytimes confirm.
Also that human soap and skin lampshades are now considered to be so much hyperbole? Also that the Frank sisters died tragically of typhus?
Every Jew in Europe was a combatant.
Please keep in mind that the whole Frank cabal was part of an extensive jew-run smuggling and black market scheme.
Crimes were committed by the Frank clan and their associates.
They were not arrested for being jewish. They were arrested for being criminals. They went into hiding because their criminal enterprise was exposed.
Germany has been saddled with its own “Stockholm Syndrome” ever since the summation of the Second World War.
There are some brave Germans who have gone against the “official narrative” of WW2 with Germany seen as being on “the wrong side of history” and as such are (still) considered to be “the bad guys”, but they are either too few or afraid of being “outed” as “holocaust™ deniers”, subject to punishment, and yes, Nazis (which is unfairly still a pejorative term in Germany and in much of the rest of the civilized world).
This is especially bolstered by the (in)famous “jewish holocaust™” which was created by the Allies in order to keep Germany permanently demonized.
In fact, it was Russian jews who “rebuilt” Auschwitz after the war in its own propagandistic way, creating and amplifying engineering errors that the Germans would have never done.
From non-sealed “gas chambers” with ordinary wooden doors that “swing the wrong way” to no means for inserting and ventilating the poison gases safely, using a delousing agent as an ineffective “poison gas”, anyone with an engineering background can easily poke holes in all of the claims made by holocaust™ promoters.
Let’s not forget that jewish “holocaustianity™” has been deemed to be a state religion in many countries from which no deviation is permitted. Prosecution, fines and imprisonment await those who seek the truth about this false, contrived event in history. If the “holocaust™” is based on “truth” why not encourage a full impartial investigation into this “event”? What are “holocaust™” promoters afraid of?
Jews have always been excellent propaganda agents, tugging at heartstrings by always showing jews as being “downtrodden” and always being marginalized and victimized. This is a “feature” and not a “bug” as it has been successful in keeping the holocaust™ fable going to the present day.
Jewish “temples”, known as “holocaust™ museums” (actually jewish freak shows) display piles of shoes, glasses, clothing, and other piles of “who knows what” in order to claim that 6,000,000 jews were “gassed out of existence”.
These jewish freaks shows get massive amounts of taxpayer-funded dollars despite being totally out of place in American society. Schoolchildren are brainwashed and propagandized in these freak shows, which is actually child abuse to allow children into these jewish freak shows.
It could be safely argued that even Americans have been unwitting victims of “Stockholm Syndrome” especially when it comes to “all things holocaust™”.
It is long overdue to conduct a full, impartial, honest of all holocaust™ claims and to “let the chips fall where they may” and put this whole holocaust™ fraud into the “dustbin of history”.
An American Yale graduate and Cantabrigian PhD candidate, Bryan Rigg , was awarded his doctorate for work done on the subject of Jews in Hitler’s army.
In the link you’ve given I read: “(…) and, most importantly, that not all who served in the armed forces were anti-Semitic – ”
that’s nothing new to me, my father and his comrade Hellendahl having helped those Jews spoken of in Die Brücke 164, pp. 84-85 (see also https://www.unz.com/article/on-russophobia-and-anti-semitism/#comment-5374026 )
“- even as their service aided the killing process”
yes, a “killing process“, nothing less. My father, who had seen Sobibor, also knew of Göring’s saying “wer Jude ist, bestimme ICH // It’s I who determines who’s a Jew”. This indeed is the very core of political power according to C. Schmitt, i.e. “he who can impose the exception to general rule”. Besides, from reading Speer’s Au coeur du Troisième Reich (Librairie Arthème Fayard, Paris 1971) I have a very firm remembrance that the inner core of Nazi power was a rather disordered and discordant bunch of power-seeking dimwits, so for instance on p. 261 one can read that “Todt m’écrivait alors une lettre dans laquelle, parlant à coeur ouvert, il ne cachait pas ses sentiments désabusés vis-à-vis des procédés en usage dans les sphères dirigeantes du national-socialisme // Todt wrote me a letter in which, speaking from the heart, he did not hide his disillusioned feelings towards the procedures in use in the leading spheres of National Socialism”.
So yes, I knew of quite a number of surviving Jews in arts/academy/military, the figure 150.000 not at all being astonishing to me.
Indeed, in WW1 there were 100 000 German Jews in the army, 12 000 of them killed.
Crimes were committed by the Frank clan and their associates
Nonsense. One cannot commit crimes against an occupant such as the Nazis. To the contrary, it is a duty to every human being to combat those animals by all means available.
I already have quoted somewhere the ciphers given by Der Spiegel – if you wish, you can look at https://www.unz.com/ejones/the-end-of-roe-v-wade/?showcomments#comment-5416158 and https://www.unz.com/ejones/germania-delenda-est/?showcomments#comment-5587755
Of course they can. Those with the government power make the rules. That is universal throughout history.
The Franks and their associates were running an illegal black market smuggling operation and got “caught”.
I stand by my statements.
Given your display of facility in foreign languages, surprising that you do not include the original Hebrew.
You cannot deny an event that did not happen. Fail, Hollow Hoax.
I already have quoted somewhere the ciphers given by Der Spiegel – if you wish, you can look at https://www.unz.com/ejones/the-end-of-roe-v-wade/?showcomments#comment-5416158 and https://www.unz.com/ejones/germania-delenda-est/?showcomments#comment-5587755
I also have quoted Treblinka and Au coeur du troisième Reich, and mentioned E. Wiechert, a survivor from Buchenwald whose Totenwald I also have (others do not come to my mind readily, I’d have to look them up). But more importantly, before the term “holocaust” was even coined and before there was any negationism around (which would have been difficult then, given the extremely numerous eyewitnesses still living, among whom my father and two uncles), my interest in history, joined to all that was told to me by the said eyewitnesses, I had quite a clear idea of what really happened before I was 15. And also, of what is our indebtedness to the Jews (I’ve spoken already of their great writers, philosophers and composers and of the fact that Jesus was a Jew, no need to repeat).
I never learned Hebrew, alas. In the 10 books of the “Inârah” series there are quotes in Arabic, Aramaic, Ge’ez, Babylonian, Pahlavi, Pali/Sanskrit and Hebrew (and perhaps others that do not come to my mind) which luckily are always translated, besides those in Greek (which are not always translated) and Latin, French, Italian, Spanish and English which are never (or rarely, in the case of Latin) translated. So, yes, in the German scientific world at least, readers still seem to be supposed proficient in foreign languages.
I stand by my statements
that’s fine. “Die Meinungen prallen aufeinander, es ist eine Lust zu leben // Opinions clash, it is a pleasure to live”, this was what Melanchthon once said to Reuchlin (out of memory, it can have been the reverse).
As to those with the government power make the rules this is true but, as a Catholic, I have learnt that those rules must not contradict the divine ones. When they do – as was flagrant with the nazis – ANY form of “sabotage” is legitimate.
5 minutes and google will defeat the holoscam. You ‘Gimme Reparations liars’ are the evil of the evil. Israel is the most evil country in the history of the world. Made up story out of whole cloth, asked world to nurse you back to health, used time to plan vaxx attack on world.
Over 1 million filth came out for Rabbi Ovadias funeral. He compared us to asses/donkeys.
5 minutes and google
I have spoken to a great many eyewitnesses, at least from 1960 (I then was 14) onward; and I have my books.
If, when you – and google – say, the whole shoah is a “hoax”, why, then, is the French cipher of 76.134 the minimum as to which the French Republic officially agrees?
What’s more, what was the origin, then, of those “scandaleuses fortunes” spoken of on p. 289 in André Brissaud’s Les agents de Lucifer, Librairie Académique Perrin 1975??? “On ne saura jamais toute la vérité sur (…) l’étendue réelle des trafics de la Gestapo pendant l’occupation, ni les noms de tous ceux qui édifièrent sur ces trafics de scandaleuses fortunes. Dans ce domaine, le silence est vraiment d’or et le rompre équivaut à se suicider. – Dès novembre 1945, sur ordre du général de Gaulle, le service de recherches anti-Gestapo du commissaire Clos a dû fermer ses dossiers et se dissoudre // We will never know the whole truth about (…) the real extent of the Gestapo’s dealings during the occupation, nor the names of all those who built scandalous fortunes on these deals. In this area, silence is truly golden and breaking it is equivalent to committing suicide. – In November 1945, on the orders of General de Gaulle, the anti-Gestapo research service of Commissioner Clos had to close its files and dissolve.”
Btw, on p. 191 Brissaud writes “Le but est net, précis, monstrueux: ‘l’extermination des sous-hommes du monde entier’. – N’oublions pas cette date: janvier 1937. L’idée existe dès ce moment // The goal is clear, precise, monstrous: ‘the extermination of the sub-humans of the whole world’. – Let us not forget this date: January 1937. The idea exists from that moment”, italics in the original.
A few days ago, I wrote “(…) as indeed, back then, in the Fifties and most of the Sixties, the shoah was not a prominent feature (as – correctly – pointed out by some commenters); I remember my mother sometimes saying that ‘the Catholics were next’, implying that the Jews were not the only ones to be annihilated, this also is correct historically.”
Writes Albert Speer: “Pour réactiver l’idéologie languissante du parti, Bormann ne voyait pas de meilleurs moyens que de relancer le combat contre l’Eglise. C’est lui qui poussait le plus Hitler à l’aggraver, comme il le montra clairement^à plusieurs reprises lors des repas. Certes, il ne fallait pas se faire d’illusions sur les atermoiements de Hitler, qui ne faisait, en fait, qu’ajourner le problème pour le reprendre au moment qui lui paraîtrait le plus favorable. Car ici, au milieu d’hommes, il était plus brutal qu’à l’Obersalzberg, déclarant de temps à autre sans ambages: ‘Quand j’en aurai terminé avec les autres questions, je réglerai mes comptes avec l’Eglise. Elle en perdra l’ouïe et le parler’ // To reactivate the party’s languishing ideology, Bormann saw no better way than to revive the fight against the Church. He was the one who most urged Hitler to escalate it, as he made clear on several occasions during meals. Of course, one should not be under any illusions about Hitler’s procrastination, for he was only postponing the problem in order to take it up again at the moment that seemed most favorable to him. For here, in the midst of men, he was more brutal than at the Obersalzberg, declaring from time to time in no uncertain terms: ‘When I have finished with the other questions, I will settle my accounts with the Church. She will lose her hearing and her speech’.” (Au coeur du Troisième Reich, Librairie Arthème Fayard, Paris 1971, p. 167, bold writing mine)