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Our very own Editor Peter Brimelow has been engaged in an on-going twitter brawl with the Israeli philosopher Yoram Hazony, recently celebrated for his 2018 book The Virtue of Nationalism. It began when Peter was invited by Hazony to July’s ‘National Conservatism’ conference, only subsequently to receive a form letter refusing his acceptance because Peter’s “publications and professional associations” were “incompatible with national conservatism as we understand it.” Revealed in this debate: Hazony either does not “understand,” or is flat-out lying about, the fact that Israel is an ethnostate and that Jews are a race.

In the truly fascinating exchange on Twitter, Hazony was accused, by AIM’s Patrick Casey, of defending “nationalism” but only for his own people and in which Casey insisted that Judaism was “ethno-religious” while “white” identity was “racial”. Hazony responded that:

What separates us isn’t any lack of enthusiasm for American nationalism on my part. What separates us is my view that a nation isn’t a race, that nationalism isn’t racism.

He also referred to “the bogus, pseudo-scientific construct that the race nerds hope to replace” with which the supposedly civic-nationalist USA.

Hazony even added that “Israelis regard their country as a national state and not a race state” and “Jews are a nation, not a race.”

This is despite his asserting, in his book that:

By nation, I mean a number of tribes with a common language or religion, and a past history of acting as a body for the common defence and other large-scale enterprises.

So, what does Hazony really think? Is he “lying,” as a Jewish friend of Brimelow exclaimed? And is he right about the civic nature of nationalism?

One of the more useful concepts to come out of psychology has been “cognitive dissonance,” an idea developed by the Jewish-American scholar Leon Festinger (1919-1989). According to Festinger, we all require, to varying degrees, “cognitive consonance”—a clear, structured worldview in which reality makes sense. This makes us feel secure; we feel less stressed if everything’s clear cut.

But, of course, there’s much we don’t know; a lot of which we cannot be certain. And this makes us feel anxious. Many people deal with this via comforting illusion: by creating a clearly structured world-view, and related sense of self, and successfully suppressing the doubts they unconsciously harbour about its accuracy.

When people are confronted with the inconsistencies in their thought system and model of who they are, they will experience “cognitive dissonance,” and all the feelings of insecurity and helplessness that come with it. This will “trigger” profound negative emotions and, depending on individual personality, they may run away and hide or lash out, perceiving the messenger of their “cognitive dissonance” as an existential threat.

So, if people become emotional and angry during an academic debate then it is obvious—following Festinger’s research—that they don’t really think that what they’re saying is true; they simply want it to be true so that everything makes sense and so that their “sense of self” remains positive.

Accordingly, Hazony’s verbal violence towards his critics (“bogus . . . pseudo-scientific . . . nerds”) screams that he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. He states that nations are civic and wants to believe this, because believing it will elevate his status in the Current Year, but he knows that his critics, who state that nations are ultimately ethnic, have, at least, a fair point. His use of words such as “tribe”—inherently defined as a group of people who regard themselves as having a common ancestor—only illustrates this further.

As for whether nationalism is racial, this has been explored in the recent book Race Differences in Ethnocentrism by Edward Dutton: “A “race” is a “breeding population” that shows consistent patterns of genotypic frequencies on inter-correlated physical and mental characteristics reflecting adaptation to a different environment than another “race.” It is a human “subspecies;” on its way to becoming another “species” and a person’s “race” can be estimated from their appearance with at least 75% certainty. Thus the “races of Classical Anthropology” have been proven to be clear and distinct genetic “clusters”—something obvious from, but not directly stated in, The History and Geography of Human Genes, by Luigi Cavalli-Sforza et al., 1994.

An “ethny” is, in essence, a “sub-race.” There is a huge debate over what defines an ethny. The assorted “Constructivist” schools have various ideas—that nationalism was caused by literacy or was imposed on the people by the elite—but they are all highly questionable and none of them can explain the incredible sacrifices that people are prepared to make for their “nations.”

I believe the only model that can explain this is the “Sociobiological School.” Sociobiologists—now known as “evolutionary psychologists”—have drawn upon genetic data to show that European “nations” really are distinct genetic “clusters”, though they are less clear cut than “races,” and they highlight evidence that people pass on their genes directly—by having children—but also via “inclusive fitness,” by aiding their kin.

Two random French people will be more genetically similar than a random Frenchman will be to a random Englishmen, because they will have a common ancestor more recently (likely about 500 years ago). This means that, in terms of genetic interests, it can make sense for the average Frenchman to fight off invasion by the English, even to the point of self-sacrifice [See On Genetic Interests, by Frank Salter, 2003]. If a “nation” is an extended kinship group—which, they demonstrate, it is—then people laying down their lives for their nation suddenly makes sense: they are elevating their “inclusive fitness;” operating at the level of the “extended kinship group.”

So, on this basis, is Israel a “Proposition Nation” or an “ethnostate”? The answer is clear: It’s an ethnostate. Jews constitute a genetic cluster, at least to the same extent that the French do. Although there is considerable genetic variance within the Jewish population, two random Jews will be more genetically similar than a random Jew will be to a random gentile. Consistent with this, Jews have a characteristic genetic profile—including a characteristic genetic disease profile, something that is true of all ethnic groups and most noticeably of relatively isolated ones with small gene pools, such as the Icelandic or the Finns. [See The population genetics of the Jewish people, By Harry Ostrer & Karl Skorecki, Human Genetics, 2013]

So, by any reasonable definition, Jews are an ethnic group. You must be Jewish—defined matrilineally (a point that Hazony ignores) to avoid cuckoldry by gentiles—to become an Israeli citizen. So, it follows that Israel is an “ethnostate.”

It is true that at points in its history, Judaism has been a “converting” religion, which explains the existence of the Ethiopian Jews, who are, genetically, Ethiopian. But this long since ceased to be the dominant discourse among Jews. In fact, the status of converts is distinctly problematic. There is continuing controversy over whether Israel’s celebrated Law of Return applies to them. Moreover, a large minority of Israelis don’t accept Ethiopian Jews as being part of their tribe. In 2005 a survey found that 43% of Israelis would not marry an Ethiopian Jew and would not wish their children to do so [Racism Alive and Well in Israeli Society, by Tony Jassen, Jerusalem Post, March 22, 2005]

Israel, like all historic nation-states, is ultimately based around a dominant ethnicity, with an ethnicity being a sub-sub-species of humanity that only makes sense in partly genetic terms.

Hazony surely knows this, but apparently fears the political difficulties which may result for him in Europe and America if he openly states it…hence, the cognitive dissonance.

So it’s quite simple: Hazony believes Jews can have an ethnostate but whites can’t. He just won’t say it.

Because if you’re not white and live in a white ethnostate, like Jews in America for most of its history, that wouldn’t be good—surely?

And if a white ethnic group—let’s say the English— had a small ethno-state but a diaspora in other countries, they’d likely feel exactly the same way.

Wouldn’t they?

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  1. Hail says: • Website

    twitter brawl with the Israeli philosopher Yoram Hazony


    …with the foreign, Israeli, extreme Jewish chauvinist Yoram Hazony

    Why is a foreigner, with demonstrated racial bias against our nation’s founding stock, core ethnocultural stock (European Christian), allowed to run a conference lecturing us, training us, on what our own nationalism is supposed to be?

    This must be what people mean when they say: Clown World.

    • LOL: Alfred
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    , @Vojkan
    , @Lot
  2. Anon[140] • Disclaimer says:

    If Israel weren’t an ethnostate for Jews, we wouldn’t be having all these wars in the Mideast. And if Jews can have an ethnostate, it only follows that everyone else can too, including whites. In fact, almost every nation in the world was an ethnostate until the 1990s. France was the first country in the old world to become multicultural, and they are the most dysfunctional.

    The hard thing about making America an ethnostate is, how far back do you go? By the late 1800s, the WASPs were already lamenting loss of the country to the lower IQ, criminally Catholics — the Irish, Jews, Southern and Eastern Europeans. Does an American ethnostate include these latter groups now that they are generally considered “white”? If so, then is whiteness relative? Are Middle Easterners like Syrians white if they are Christian? And if they are Muslim or Atheist? Are “white” hispanics white? None of these groups were considered white by the Anglos, or even Nordics and Germans back in the 1800’s.

    If you accept all the above groups, the definition of white becomes those who speak fluent English and are well assimilated to WASP ways. In which case, does “white” now include Asians, blacks and Hispanics who are equally well assimilated? And does that mean recent non-English speaking European immigrants like the French, Romanians or Russians are not white?

    So you see, it does get complicated.

    Personally, as an Asian immigrant who’ve lived here practically my entire life, I have no problem with America wanting to become a white ethnostate, as long as someone can clearly define for me which groups would be included and why. As a staunch supporter of free speech, I also believe such a proposal should never be stifled from public discourse due to political correctness, as it will only further foment the discontent and simmering anger of “whites”, whoever they may be.

  3. Who made up the rule that purely ethnic nationalism is wrong and unacceptable while partly-religious/mostly-ethnic nationalism is ok anyway?

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  4. @Hail

    The idea, that a foreigner should be able to talk about important national questions as if he would be a citizen is somewhat counterintuitive, isn’t it?

    (Lance Welton’s is a very well written and thought through article, btw.).

  5. “By nation, I mean a number of tribes with a common language or religion, and a past history of acting as a body for the common defence and other large-scale enterprises.”

    excuse me,

    That above is not a descriptor of race as the term has historically been understood. I understand that white nationalists have been attempting to morph the term into something less of at least from biology alone. However, the term race is for the moment cemented in its history and that is largely biology. It may take a good many years before it gets unseated of the globe will spin in the opposite direct and it will change tomorrow. But as to the time of this discussion race is biology.

  6. For an impression of Israel as a true “proposition nation”, see :

    The Guardian, 28 Feb 2013 : Ethiopian women in Israel ‘given contraceptives without consent’,…/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel

    In Israel schools of Ashkenazi Jews refuse to admit pupils from Mizrahi (“oriental”) Jews.

    All in all there is a racial “caste system” operative in Israel. At the top are the white looking Ashekenazi Jews, followed by the Mediterranean looking Sephardi Jews, next come the Arab looking Mizrahi Jews, next Indian looking Jews from India, with Ethiopian looking Jews from Ethiopia, who are openly discriminated against, at the bothom.

    Non-Jews are not even considered human according to the Talmud and the Cabbalah. Only Jews have “divine souls” (nephesh ha-elokit), while non-Jews have only “animal souls” (nephesh ha-behamit). Gentiles (goyim) are in fact animals-in-human-form, especially created by Yahweh to serve Jews. At the end of history Jews will rule the world, amass all wealth of the world, while every Jew will have 2800 non-Jews as slaves to serve him. That is the true attitude of the Jews.

    To have these hypocritical ultra-extreme racists lecture us about the wrongness of racism is absurd.

    • Replies: @sally
  7. Leo says:

    “You must be Jewish—defined matrilineally… to become an Israeli citizen”

    That’s not true.

    Jewishness for the purpose of citizenship is not defined “matrilineally”. You can also become an Israeli citizen without being Jewish at all under certain circumstances.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  8. Miro23 says:

    According to Festinger, we all require, to varying degrees, “cognitive consonance”—a clear, structured worldview in which reality makes sense. This makes us feel secure; we feel less stressed if everything’s clear cut.

    The quickest way to reach the highly desirable state of “cognitive consonance” is to read the article/review by Stanley Hornbeck of Kevin MacDonald’s ‘Culture of Critique’.

    It’s a clear, structured worldview in which reality makes sense.

  9. It would add weight to the author’s views if he were to deal realistically with Israeli genetics. The nearly half of Israelis who are Ashkenazi are surely as different from Mizrahi and Sephardi Israelis as say Finns of pure Swedish descent from their mostly Uralic [terminology??] contemporaries.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  10. This must be what people mean when they say: Clown World.

    Here at, in opacity, some do the bidding, some do the listening. The mega, or upper layer protocols, as financing, the who, the what, ownership, integral structure, the alliances of thought, then beyond content into technology, hardware are intentionally ignored by the decision makers. To the extend that a few contributors do not at all understand the media tools they are deployed into (Llana Mercer latest complaint illustrates that quite openly), a clustering around Jewish ID, and being explicitely agnostic about it.

    No idea of the audience, no clearly documented authors, it can be said that we are one? step back from the James Thompson,s suggested living page, Karlin’s open thread, no documenting, referencing of the process and the data. The mega data are indeed of major importance as compared to atomic content, and linear threads .

    A Clowns world extends to all of our Western society by design. Call it roll-play, each and every group taking turns in victim – aggressor relationships.

    There must be such a rift between what mass audiences can behold into their mind and what needs to be implemented, so that abuse and neglect of outcome is the easy norm. Western society’s choice of shedding the under classes, regardless of any other determining factor is probably not a bad choice, generational pressure does it’s bidding. But, aligning resources as to the ultimate goal must be more then who might get to participate in the future outcomes. The middle classes abject to this are cannibalizing their own possibilities as a group, mising everything on atomic, individual ambition, few collective threads there. Cementing ignorance in place. Full circle magic.

  11. So many words to state the obvious.

    And why the dickens does an Israeli “philosopher” head an American conservative group? Another one of those ‘happens to be’?

  12. Pheasant [AKA "Anonymousing"] says:

    I need to pount out that you do NOT need to be Jewish matrilineally to become an Israeli citizen. Anyone with one Jewish granparent (on either side) can apply. This was done to mirror the nuremberg laws (to spite them etc) and to make sure Israel could be repopulated with Jews even though they might not neccesarily have halachic status. Halachic status and Israeli citizenship laws have two different standards. Ariel Sharon’s mother for example was not Jewish and I believe there was some problem burying him in a regular Jewish cemetary. The only difference is that the person will not be allowed if they are Christian (or Muslim) atheists are fine. Also non matrilineal Jews do not get the full aliyah basket of charity (help with rent, furniture allowance etc).

    Things have changed a little from the 1950s however. If you are a patrilineal Jew in Israel (or even one who cannot prove matrilineal status) you are a second class citizen in three ways: you cannot get married to a full Jew in Israel (weddings are controlled by the rabbis) so you have to fly to cyprus and have the wedding there. Also you may not be buried alongside other Jews in a Jewish cemetary and there are some charitable institutions (controlled by the rabbis) who might not help you.

    There are around 400,000 Jews (mainly from the Russian aliyah in the 90s) who have disputed halachic status and the Rabbis do not want to admit these second class Jews to first class status-yes they can convert but they must do so through orthodoxy as well as agree to live as orthodox Jews lest thier conversion be revoked. Before anyone replies with that old chestnut about conversion not being at risk of being revoked orthodox rabbis in power in Israel have done this several times now. Also Israel is DNA testing potential Russian immigrants now to avoid these sorts of issues in the future.

    Just wanted to clear that up.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  13. Truth3 says:

    The defining characteristic of the Jews, is not…

    … their hooked noses.

    … their dark and beady eyes.

    … their dark and kinky hair.

    … their narrow shoulders.

    … their unique mouth shape.

    … their wide hips.

    … their lack of athleticism.

    … their brachycephalic skull shape.

    … their male’s effeminacy.

    … their female’s unattractiveness.

    … their group and individual hysteria.

    … their shortness (lack of height, short arms).

    … their narrow chests.

    … their flat feet.

    … their deficient hygiene (smell).

    … their inbreeding induced diseases profile.

    … their near universal ugliness.

    All of which, and more, can be explained genetically.

    No, none of the above are the defining characteristic of the Jews.

    What is, then?

    Hypocrisy. Duplicity. Lying.

    Coupled with chutzpah (gall, brazen nerve, effrontery, insolence, etc.).

    Which are group tendencies developed over centuries, when the group has a fantasy embedded into it’s collective consciousness that it is a “Chosen” people, and can do no wrong.

    Like Dennis Hopper in the movie True Romance… “Tell me… am I lying?”

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  14. The jews are a nation within a nation wherever they are found in the world. They have no loyalty other than to other Jews. They are born traitors to whatever nation they claim so-called citizenship of.

  15. Lost in translation.

    First, Hazony may be a hypocrite is he really denies the existence of race as such (you can use any other term- human species, population,…). If this is so, he’s completely bonkers as are other lefty-liberals.

    But, I assume he is not a race-denialist. He’s just sincere with his Jewish vision of nationality which is different from most other people’s. Also, he is a hypocrite in what he had not said.

    To be more specific, there are essentially two model for nationhood: “Greek” & “Roman”. “Greek” is an ethno-nationalist (common ancestry, language, customs, frequently religion, a sense of common identity & destiny). “Roman” is the progenitor of “civic nationalism” – you belong to a nation if you are citizen, never mind your origin or race or culture. In reality, actual ancient Romans never developed anything from it.

    “Greek” model became the template for Central & East European nations (Germans, Czechs, Poles, Croats, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians,…) & it was later called ethnic nationalism. “Roman” model was dominant in Western Europe (France, Britain, Spain,…), named “civic nationalism”.

    But “civic nationalism” is a conundrum. Essentially, more powerful ethnies in those countries used it as a fig-leaf to assimilate other peoples (linguistically, culturally) into their ethnic corpus, while pretending to remain “fair” & non-imposing. In France, French assimilated groups like Bretons or Gascons, and even clearly different German-speaking Alsatians; in Britain, English tried, with more or less success, to assimilate Welsh & Scots & others; in Spain, Castilians to absorb Catalans, Basques, Valencians, ..).

    So, in all cases of “civic nationalism” it is: a) a mask for more powerful ethnic nation to absorb phenotypically- unlike linguistically-culturally- not much different “others”, b) there was not, anytime, an intent to absorb different races (real race-mixing on a significant scale was not technically possible, or in rare cases, it was shunned) or to live side by side with really different cultures (Muslims, Hindus,…). Jews were generally allowed to stay, but they were put into ghettos. They themselves did not want to become a part of, say, French or Spanish “nation”, nor were locals- mostly- enthusiastic about that.

    Any real nation is an extended family with common identity & historical culture.

    As I said earlier, Jews are an anomaly because their focus was on an axis religion- common historical culture- ethnic “genealogical” identity. They switched the identity accent from time to time, but any sociologist & historian will tell you they included, from the beginning, various “races” while retaining the common core of ancient Levantine tribe. Even after secularization in the 19th C, their point of view remained not classically racialist in our, European sense: if your mother was a Jewess, you are a Jew, even if your father is Australian Aborigine, Okinawan, Inuit, Hutu or Amazonian Indian. At least in theory, you are sanctioned by their religious-legal authorities to be a Jew, even if you looked like Kunta Kinte or Fu Manchu. At least, this is the theory.

    Theirs is an ethnic religion, similar to various American Indian tribes, Zoroastrians or Sikhs, but loaded with historically specific elements (their ethnic history is viewed as a sacred history, which is not the case with, say, Sikhs).

    So much for ordinary, historical peoples & nations.

    In the New World, national question is something like a puzzle. Are there nations at all?
    In my view, Canadian nation never existed; American nation did exist from, say, 1790s to 1970s & it was composed of English-speaking whites belonging to Western culture (forms of Christianity & marginally diluted Judaism) & cherishing specifically American national traditions (founding fathers etc). Freed blacks never belonged to the American nation, but they had been American national minority; various Indian peoples living in reservations were not “American” in any national sense.

    When we come to the Hispanic & Portuguese Americas, we see that Bolivar tried to unite all Hispanophone countries in a “nation”, but he failed. Are Mexicans a nation? I don’t know, perhaps they are, a Mestizo nation ruled by light Mestizo/white elite & common culture (language, religion, mostly post-Conquistador history). Peruvians? Bolivians? No, there are too many Indians speaking various non-European languages. Brazilians? Yes & no. They may be considered to be a stratified people where whites clearly dominate & they are defined by their language, different from Spanish (and in a few pockets of Dutch and English) by which they are surrounded.

    So, “proposition nation” has never existed & will never exist. In the world of mass migrations, anti-white advocates try to impose this ludicrous concept on “receiving” countries, which are almost 100% white European in history, culture or identity.

    We all know that there is no chance that anyone rational could consider a black to belong to the Swedish people, even if he speaks only Swedish & lives in that historical-geographic-cultural space; nor would we think that a bunch of whites of, say, Slovak origin could be considered Koreans, even if they totally assimilate into Korean culture. And numbers are crucial: just let, say, 100 million Chinese in Russia & let them assimilate, become Orthodox & speak only Russian as their national language. Would Evgeny Hungovich Pongovsky be a Russian, just like the rest- and those Pongovskies would constitute 40% of the country?

    Hazony’s hypocrisy is evident from the following: if anyone- in this case,virtually all non-white- could come to the US & become “American” just by learning English, following common law, saying “we” when, theoretically, he refers to Daniel Boone or Buffalo Bill – while remaining Muslim & brown & his heart pointing to Mecca; then, why not let a bunch, hundreds of thousands of Somalis & Ethiopians & Arabs & Gujaratis in?

    They can become “Israelis” just by learning Hebrew as their future primary language, use that particular historical calendar & proudly refer to their historical tribulations like expulsion from Spain & Holocaust.

    Why not let Nigerians & Chinese galore (learning Hebrew etc.) who will say they are proud of their ancestor Abraham & their “people” had suffered greatly during the time of Crusades?

    Hazony is a hypocrite.

  16. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Jews are chameleons, demanding that us Goyim recognize Jews as a religion, when it suited them. Or as a race, and who knows what’s next.

    That’s a good way of being so slippery, us Gentiles stay confused while the Jews go on their merry way, castigating Goyim for wanting to keep their identity, while at the same time, being the biggest players in this toxic multi-cultural infection that is destroying nations from within, all the while keeping Israel’s bloodline pure as the Aryans.

    But don’t mention this, unless you want to get branded as being some kind of neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic hater. Avoid the truth Goy, it will get you in trouble!

    Hazony even added that “Israelis regard their country as a national state and not a race state” and “Jews are a nation, not a race.”

    As long as Israel is going to identify as an ethno-state, they sure picked a winner in Hitler!

    Hitler was right, “100% correct” Says 2 Rabbis.

    Israeli rabbis at military prep school are caught on video praising Hitler

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  17. Dmitry says:

    Israel is the most multiracial, multicultural, and even multireligious country I have been to or lives in, all in a very small size.

    The main problem of Israel, is that it is too many different races and unconnected groups, and that its main population is built on third world immigrants.

    So where is this stupid argument that Israel is monocultural country from? The imagination of people who have no experience of the reality of Israel.

    The irony in relation to multiculturalism, is that if a country as multiracial/multicultural/multireligious as Israel, has still such low crime – there is no justification for the high crime situation in America, which Americans always say is related to their multiculturalism.

    On the other hand, Israel has a low level civil war, so it’s not exactly a example to follow for anyone.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @anon
    , @Art
  18. Dmitry says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Ashkenazi people in Israel are around, or even less than 1/3 of Israel’s population. And other population groups are extremely diverse between each other, even on the most obvious racial level when you see them in the street (aside from the fact they have many different cultural origins).

    Jew from Algeria is not the same race as one from India, or Georgia, which you can see from 50 metres distance.

    Israel also has unfortunately quite large illegal immigration from Africa, where they refuse to deport the illegal immigrants, and give them work permits, free medical insurance, and schools. I was lost last year visiting Israel, in third world areas of South Tel Aviv where there were Somali African looking women wearing white hijabs.

    Israel’s most popular pop star at the moment is a Christian Togo dancer, who was born in Israel, called “Stephane Legar”.

    Israel even has a community of thousands of Christian African Americans from Chicago, who have a town in the desert, and attain Israeli citizenship after being in the army.

    Israel also has affirmative action for Arabs to enter its universities.

    Israel insert large numbers of Bedouin Arab children into their best performing (mainly Russian-speaking origin) boarding schools in the South of Israel.

    And Tel Aviv municipality closed the site of its best performing high school (Shevah Mofet), to replace it with a school for illegal immigrants.

    So it’s not a place to go, if you want avoid problems of multiculturalism. Actually it’s the opposite, and illustrates the problems of multiculturalism, multiracialism and ethnic tensions, very well.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    , @J
  19. Miggle says:

    I got up to

    The population genetics of the Jewish people, By Harry Ostrer & Karl Skorecki

    and didn’t need to read further. The likes of these (I’ve read Harry Ostrer’s pretenses before) are going to tell us that DNA testing has proved that Ashkenazi Jews have their origins in the “Middle East”. They are never more specific than that, and never say “Near East”, so they presumably refer to Iran, the Aryans.

    And these pretenses of DNA research projects relating to Jews are always carried out by Jewish laboratory staff with Jewish laboratory directors, all funded by Jewish research grants. They obtain the results they are required to obtain.

    Having come to the name Harry Ostrer I don’t need to read more.

  20. @Greg Bacon

    Could somebody please show up here and explain to us that this whole Rabbi-business of Hitler-adoration is a big fat fake by RT or some such – Al Jazeera?! Lord in the heavens above – now that I know this stuff, what shall I do with it? As soon as I will tell somebody outside unz, I already hear the choir shouting out at me: Hater of the Jews, how dare you say something as horrible as that? Why would somebody in his sane mind even mention something as horrible as this, have you forgotten what has happened to the Jews, and now you bring such racist and truly devastating slurs against them . . . . . . . . . (to be repeated ad infinitum. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . .) Yes? Yes. Sigh. It’s hot outside.

  21. onebornfree says: • Website

    “….For more than a hundred years anthropologists have studied the bodily features of various races. The undisputed outcome of these scientific investigations is that the peoples of white skin, Eu- ropeans and non-European descendants of emigrated European an- cestors, represent a mixture of various bodily characteristics. Men have tried to explain this fact as the result of intermarriage between the members of pure primitive stocks. Whatever the truth of this, it is certain that there are today no pure stocks within the class or race of white-skinned people.

    Further efforts have been made to coordinate certain bodily fea- tures — racial characteristics — with certain mental and moral char- acteristics. All these endeavors have also failed.

    Finally people have tried, especially in Germany, to discover the physical characteristics of an alleged Jewish or Semitic race as distinguished from the characteristics of European non-Jews. These quests, too, have failed completely. It has proved impossible to differentiate the Jewish Germans anthropologically from the non- Jewish ones. In the field of anthropology there is neither a Jewish race nor Jewish racial characteristics. The racial doctrine of the anti-Semites pretends to be natural science. But the material from which it is derived is not the result of the observation of natural phenomena. It is the genealogy of Genesis and the dogma of the rabbis’ teaching that all members of their religious community are descended from the subjects of King David……”

    From: “Omnipotent Government- The Rise of the Total State and Total War”. by Ludwig Von Mises .Published 1944. Chapter VIII “Anti-semitism and Racism”, Page 170

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Anounder
  22. annamaria says:

    Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People (Hebrew: חוֹק יְסוֹד: יִשְׂרָאֵל—מְדִינַת הַלְּאוֹם שֶׁל הָעַם הַיְּהוּדִי), informally known as the Nation-State Bill (חוֹק הַלְּאוֹם) or the Nationality Bill, is an Israeli Basic Law which specifies the nature of the State of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people. The Law was adopted by the Knesset, with 62 in favor, 55 against, and two abstentions, on 19 July 2018 (7th Av, 5778)

    According to traditional Jewish law (halacha), Jewishness is passed down through the mother.

    Go to debate with your rabbis, not here.

    • Replies: @Leo
    , @Antipropo
  23. Alfred says:

    I have a Chinese friend who was born in Singapore. We studied together in London 50 years ago. He cannot read/write Chinese. He speaks Hokkien but no Mandarin. His spoken English remains atrocious. He now lives in Australia. Culturally, I consider him to be more English than a lot of the current lot living in England. 🙂

  24. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:

    You bring up great points “White” nationalist will never address. I do believe there can be ethno-states(in everywhere except the American continents), but unfortunately for the American wannabe ethonationalist, the U.S.A can never be one. It was founded on a founding stock of a hodge-podge of ethnically and religiously diverse Europeans plus native American and a large African slave population while importing low skill immigrants around the world (from Chinese on the railroads and various Eastern and Southern Europeans) for cheap labor for all its history. American “greatness” comes from the American Indian’s weak immune system and living on a continent where the neighboring powers are weak and pose no threat allowing for the U.S.A to practice colonialist wars without having to deal with threats of war on the homefront, something South American and European countries constantly faced. I personally am leaving this country and there are many more like me, some American born people also want to leave this collapsing empire of horrors.

  25. @Dmitry

    A long-time criticism of American Jews is that they advocate one type of society where Jews are a minority (secular, multicultural, open immigration) and a very different type of society for Israel (favoritism shown towards Jewish culture, religion and immigration). Perhaps the Jews are drinking the Koolaid they originally prepared for the goyim.

    To be fair, the worst hypocrites are the Moslems. It’s both comical and aggravating when they complain about “persecution.”

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @anonymous
  26. alexander says:

    Very intelligent comment .Excellent, in fact.

    Of all the “nation-states” discussed,…. there is one ….which stands alone…. as being “supra-ethnic” or “above ethnicity” and that is the (one and only) United States of America.

    What binds ALL Americans together, is neither their ethnicity, nor their religion ,it is their belief in our “Constitution”….and our Declaration of Independence ….which states:

    “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed….”

    This IS The United States…and it is exactly why it became the “Greatest Nation on Earth”.

    or …. at least it was,… until 2001, when the deceitful “Neocons” took over the shop …. Lied us into illegal war, bankrupted the nation,….. and attempted to exterminate the constitution with their fascist and fraudulent “Patriot Act”.

    Shameful Stewards those Neocons…

    Just look at the damage they have done.

    What a disgrace they are to our country…

    An absolute “disgrace”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  27. @Parsnipitous

    And why the dickens does an Israeli “philosopher” head an American conservative group? Another one of those ‘happens to be’?

    Yup. Consider it an (((American))) conservative conference:

  28. @Miggle

    This is a good point that can’t be emphasized enough. Ashkenazic Jews are almost certainly mostly white, just like ourselves. I bet the Christians of Southern Europe (Spain, Italy, etc.) have more Semitic blood than the typical Ashkenazi.

    • Replies: @Miggle
  29. When someone says “America is a proposition nation”, what they mean is that for them America is nothing more or less than a few basic Human Rights stated as general Rules of Conduct. That’s it. All the rest: Blood and Soil, Homeland, Land of our Fathers, the MotherLand, etc, are unnecessary baggage.

    They are saying what they mean and they mean what they say. To the extent that America cleaves to these few, simple propositions, they will give their allegiance to it and accept it’s right to order their affairs. The moment America goes beyond these few propositions, they will withdraw their allegiance and flout its conventions and Laws.

    Everything follows from the above. It’s that simple.

  30. J says: • Website

    The degree of ignorance about the Jewish people in the world and USA in particular is amazing. Some think that Israelis are Hollywood screenwriters, all of us. Others think that Jews follow the Pentateuch commands, like killing of the Amalekites (what are the Amalekites?) and so. In fact Israel is a refuge-state for maddeningly diverse minorities, as voted by the United Nations in 1947. The murderous war our neighbors are waging against us bonds us together into a solid body, even if we may not like the catinga of each other.

  31. @Dieter Kief

    I’m sorry, Dieter, but I’m now going to have to ruin your day a little more. Between 1933 and 1939 at least, the Führer himself was a Zionist:

    Probably the only thing that prevented Hitler from shipping all the Jews to Palestine was the outbreak of war with Britain, which forced Germany to sever relations with Britain’s Palestinian Mandate.

    • Replies: @aandrews
  32. Dmitry says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    can become “Israelis” just by learning Hebrew as their future primary language, use that particular historical calendar & proudly refer to their historical tribulations like expulsion from

    Exactly how Israeli official policy operates.

    That’s how “Bnei Menashe” (an Indian tribe) became Israeli Jews in the last decade.

    They have no relation to Jews – but they are accepted as they convert to the religion.

    On the other hand, a fully Ashkenazi or Yemeni Jew who has converted to another religion (writes e.g. Christian or Buddhist) on their application form, is automatically banned from ever immigrating to Israel.

    However, all this discussion is quite ridiculous, as in reality Israel has lost control of its immigration. It’s full of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, and thousands of Sudanese Muslims you will see in Israel if you want to want into a bad area of its cities, will likely never be deported from there.

    Israel also accepts all kinds of other immigrants, and even has thousands of African Americans from Chicago, who are considered good citizens.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  33. Anonymous[362] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course if enough people in a country (let’s say enough of that country’s elite, the rest follows with a ripple effect) want it to be an ethnostate, it will be an ethnostate (save for other countries’ invasions).

    Cognitive dissonance isn’t the only important psychological mechanic; another one is, for example, displacement.
    Somebody feels bad because almost nobody in their own group want the state they live to be an ethnostate, and instead of focusing on this muses on what this or that philosopher from a different country said, or wrote, or tweeted.

  34. Stogumber says:

    To be fair we must see that most immigrants have this feeling. A German, Italian or Irish immigrant was or is quite happy with having an ethnostate “at home” for romantic reasons and have at the same time an”open-for-everyone state” like America for practical reasons. In the same way an immigrant into Germany is quite pleased having a “homeland” elsewhere and regarding Germany as his “open-for-all” state.
    People simply like to have it both ways. Jewish intellectuals are only better at rationalizing/denying this.
    Of course, this is unfair against the Americans (and the inhabitants of every other “open-for-all state”)- but the only solution I see is advice for immigrants to behave more inobtrusive or less obtrusive.

  35. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    When Jews starts realizing less inbreeding disease than non-Jewish Europeans of any modern nation, we can start talking about how Jews aren’t a race. Not before.

  36. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    And these pretenses of DNA research projects relating to Jews are always carried out by Jewish laboratory staff with Jewish laboratory directors, all funded by Jewish research grants. They obtain the results they are required to obtain.

    Having come to the name Harry Ostrer I don’t need to read more.

    That’s exactly correct.

    The European diaspora will have evolved when it fully realizes that the only rational response to Judaism is community-wide non-engagement / to shut it out completely. Anything else is a losing proposition in the context of a hardened and determined enemy. Who in their right mind would listen to them, let alone argue, on any topic whatsoever? Shutting them out is the first step to being free of them. There isn’t a meaningful step that comes before it, at present.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Vojkan says:

    Indeed, Jews feel entitled to lecture gentiles over every aspect of their lives but when a gentile expresses the mildest reserve about Jewish behaviour, the label “anti-semite” is promptly affixed.

  38. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:

    1’It was founded on a founding stock of a hodge-podge of ethnically and religiously diverse Europeans plus native American and a large African slave population while importing low skill immigrants around the world (from Chinese on the railroads and various Eastern and Southern Europeans) for cheap labor for all its history’

    It was founded by English people of various regional strains who after a few hundered years revolted against the mother country *precisely* to ensure thier rights as Englishmen. Blacks and Indians were never regarded as part of the nation and were viewed as at best an incumberence. As for immigrants any White person of good character was allowed after 1793- they wanted to assimilate them in small numbers.

    This neoconservative/John Locke/proposition nation nonsense really is weak sauce and has been demolished here time and time again.

    By the standards of today most Americans throughout its history have been White nationalists.

    Try harder or rather do not bother.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. I will give you my definition of a nation, and you can add the adjective ‘Jewish.’ A Nation is, in my mind, an historical group of men of a recognizable cohesion held together by a common enemy. Then, if you add to that the word ‘Jewish’ you have what I understand to be the Jewish nation.”

    With this definition, it is clear the Jews are not a race but a community of people having a common past, a common culture and a common enemy. The common enemy is the stranger and laws applying to the community are not to be apply to the stanger.

    For centuries they have been a disperse nation living in strangers’ nations. The “Kol Nidre” allowing them to simulate adherence to the country’s flag and constitution as the above prayer was avoiding to be bound by any oath made to strangers .

    This nation is suffering from paranoia. The stranger is an enemy persecuting them and therefore, every thing has to be done to destroy him or reduce him to slavery. Their sickness will never allow them to find peace whatever will be the amount of power acquired.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  40. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Shameful Stewards those Neocons…

    Just look at the damage they have done.

    What a disgrace they are to our country…

    An absolute “disgrace”.’

    Try not to feel so bad the neocons *euphemism removed* Jews have done similar in virtually every country they settled in.

  41. Art says:

    What separates us is my view that a nation isn’t a race, that nationalism isn’t racism.

    I agree – nationalism is about one thing – geography. Nationalism is about mutual loyalty to land. Racism is about biology.

    It is obvious that a nation can be of one ethnic (Japan) – or it can be have many different ethnics (America). Most nations are multi ethnic. What ties them together as nations – are borders.

    Jews and the Chinese are different, they are biological – they are racist – they mix biological tribalism with nationalism. When they leave their borders they remain loyal to their ethnic cultural fatherland for generations.

    80% of US Jews are racially and biologically loyal to Israel – not to the land of America and its people – end of story.

  42. Anonymous [AKA "Roninf9"] says:

    In an American ethno-state if you aren’t the posterity of the Founding Generation, i.e. a direct blood related descendant of the original 1776 American citizens, then you are just visiting. As a visitor you must understand that you are our guest and you must abide by all our rules. Not just the law mind you, but all the mores, morals, and standards of behavior and decorum. You must also understand that we can kick you out at anytime for any reason or no reason at all. You wouldn’t be a citizen but a permanent temporary resident. This applies to you and all your posterity. This is the exact situation in Japan.

    • Replies: @August
  43. @Dmitry

    Israel could possibly be characterized as a multiracial, multicultural etc. state by outsiders’ view who judge it superficially by different criteria, but it is, apart from Arabs, Druze etc. minorities- the mono-identitarian & mono-national nation state, the stress being on nation-state for Jewish people (not for Korean or Italian peoples).

    Due to history, “Jewish people”, apart from two dominant big groups from Iberia & Eastern Europe, has small, almost negligible quantities of “Jews” in some African & Asian lands who, phenotypically, are not whites (or Levantines). Then, true, Israel is not a classically “racialist” country, but it still remains a typical ethno-nationalist state even if the nation has more of a non-dominant skin color persons than is the case with other ethno-nationalist states like Turkey.

    What I find hypocritical about people Hazony is: nationalism for me, internationalism for thee. The fact that some, actually a small minority of Israeli Jews not bigger than 2%, is non-white/Levantine- means nothing. Israeli immigration policy still remains solidly nationalist- this is land primarily for Jewish people. No Pakistanis, Somalis, Nigerians, Syrians (!), Ethiopians (Muslims and Christians), …are allowed to stay, let alone invited to move in masses. I agree with that- but it is clearly hypocritical to have “Jews only” immigration policy & to push for more “non-Europeans mostly” immigration policy in France, Germany, Sweden or Poland.

    And, at the same time, Israel’s apologists try to impose “internationalist” model for immigration policy in countries where these nation-states are clearly different from mass of potential immigrants. Pro-Israeli advocates push for more immigration of, say, Syrians, Pakistanis, Somalis, Ethiopians, Indians … into Europe & America & Canada.

    And this is, by organized Jewish NGOs, really subversive policy towards countries that had accepted Jews in past (Sweden, France, US, UK, Australia,…). We all know that Somalis, Pakistanis, Moroccans … are not & will never become a part of Swedish people, French people or Australian people (whatever the last term means).

    So, at the end: the majority Israeli policy; most Jewish activists living in the Western world (UK, Italy, Australia, Sweden,…) are agitating against domicile nation-state where they reside & theatrically invoke some non-existent universal humanism, while well-knowing that immigrant Moroccans, Pakistanis & various sub-Saharan Africans will never become Spaniards, Italians or Germans; that Hondurans, Iraqis & Somalis will never become Americans- and will cause only trouble, dissolution of peoplehood of these countries & the rise of crime & insecurity.

    Israelis & diaspora Jewish political activists can have credibility only after they start advocating policy of letting non-Jewish immigrant groups of any race (white, brown, black, …) into Israel itself according to cherished principles of universal humanism & giving them a chance of becoming full Israelis by assimilation (learning Hebrew & integrating them in all spheres of Israeli society).

    But we all know it’s not going to happen. It is this Israeli & diaspora Jewish hypocrisy that makes nationally conscious Europeans & Americans angry with Jews as a group, because they see for what it really is – fake & inimical to their ways of life.

    American Jewry’s Disgraceful Hypocrisy

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @geokat62
  44. sally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    yes, but there is another even more dangerous to humanity side to this selection by race process.

    To explain.. Propaganda is
    The term multi-cultural and position nation are propaganda <===yes, its a word based icon, a type of expression, probably intended to indicate a hierarchy of subordinate expressions needed to understand the term or terms. The terms used here, are formatted in words of a language, but such words do not define propaganda, they are just examples of … One professor's website, says propaganda is a process. I say propaganda is any kind of expression which has meaning or that provides instruction conditioned only on its expression being a derivative of an intelligence process.

    Expression usually requires, as a practical matter, that the expression of the intelligence, be hosted, in some form, on some kind of media (voice, video, internet, writing, art. etc.) Human expression and human interaction with those expressions are experiences with propaganda.

    Propaganda then, is the collective intelligence that constitutes information together with associated properties. Intelligence expressed into meaning-discoverable form, released into the realities (of content), that constitute the information available in our surroundings differentiate us all.

    So Propaganda is not a process, its not experience, its not a communication, its not a thought, its not intelligence, instead, propaganda is an expression of, or a derivative of, intelligence, reduced into reality, in a form, that can be engaged and experienced by reciprocal intelligence, through experience. The Bible or Koran are expressions of religious thoughts (thoughts are said to be derivatives of intelligence).

    Human expressions and human interaction with those expressions configure the environment variables that develop in each of us, the substance, the taste, the feel, the morality, the sense of justice and the many other somethings (elements) that interact with our genetic composition to compose an array of human understandings about ourselves and of our relations to our societies and our fellow man. One example that demonstrates experience to be the teacher_is: the NY baby, born today of Jewish Parents, is exchanged for a Tehran baby, born today of Shia Muslim Parents. The parents of each child, raise the baby of the other; 20 years later the developed adults are in-person expressions of the environment that matured them. (Each society configures its enviroment by adjusting the values of the variables in its environment. The values that configure the environment are establshed by the propaganda the society makes available; hence humans are developed by experience in a given environment).

    Propaganda is any expression of intelligence which can be experienced by self or another. A set of propaganda can establish and maintain (configure) the environment variables that mature and differentiate the humans in a particular container(nation state) into products of that container (society). Societies range in size from 2 persons to 8 billion persons. Nation states are walled containers that allow those who control the propaganda to adjust and regulate the environment variables. Programs use elements of propaganda to establish the values of the environment variables within an particular society. For example; one nation state can be configured to block propaganda elements present in another nation state (container) or within the nation state (container) selected elements of propaganda can be used to configure the environment variables that shape the essence of a society.

    so it seems to me the issue here is the attractive bonding force implicit in the idea of belonging to a superior race and the propaganda that promotes that idea? The propaganda demands that each member of the society in Israel see themselves as members of a bonded-by-race, tightly closed society, accessible only if the body structure is genetically acceptable? Then, within that racially-bonded same gene society, the eligible members are again manipulated by propaganda available in the environment to recognize each others genetic class within domain race, and taught by experience, to bond again oneself to his or her designated class.. So the propaganda teaches that class within race determines pecking order at home, and race alone determines superiority to all others. Certainly this will build a strong nation state.. but is is something the rest of the world should tolerate?

  45. Wally says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “They can become “Israelis” just by learning Hebrew as their future primary language, use that particular historical calendar & proudly refer to their historical tribulations like expulsion from Spain & Holocaust.”

    The best example of fantasies that ‘Israelis’ cling to and milk for every shekel they can get …. the so called “holocaust”.

    “I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish Question.”
    – a ‘Father of Zionism’ Theodor Herzl, letter to the Czar, November 22, 1899.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    – Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

  46. @Anon

    This is not complicated. True, due to a combination of WASP snobbery of old stock Americans & fluid ethnic identities of various European & other immigrants, class, religious & racial differences tend to be stressed to such a degree that it all becomes so superficially complicated- just, in reality it is not.

    Americans are English speaking phenotypical Euro-Americans (including European descendants) belonging to Western culture.

    Are, according to this, blacks -Americans, in this restricted sense? No, just look at the phenotype.
    Muslims? Not, they don’t belong to the Western culture. Hispanics? Yes, if they are white (more or less) & adopt English as their primary language. Lebanese Christians? Yes, because they are phenotypically white (or “white”), Christianity makes them assimilable into Western culture & they, supposedly, speak English after some time. Iranians? No, if they remain Muslims, hence no Western culture; phenotypically marginally white, so they can pass. Peruvian Indians? No, not European phenotype. Indians from India? The vast majority- no. Only some negligible percentage of light skinned north Indians who are neither Hindus nor Muslims & have adopted Christianity as an entrance to broader Western culture or are Western-type atheists. Jews? Yes & no. If they have Euro-phenotype & are assimilated into European culture, with some kind of diluted Euro-Judaism as a religion, then yes. Otherwise- no. Japanese? No, different phenotype. The same with Chinese.

    So, you have three inclusion elements: Euro- or almost-Euro phenotype & English language & Western culture.

    And three exclusion elements: non-Euro phenotype; no English language adoption; no Western culture, mostly related to clearly different religious-cultural spheres: Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, …

    Celebrity Buddhists & similar people are, of course, nothing serious to discuss…

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @anonymous
  47. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:

    Agree. Although they tend to fight back with economic weapons.

  48. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Good comment.

    The Greek model is pure biological racism. Ends in destruction. Unsustainable in the long run. Hostile to others.

    The Roman model is civic nationalism. Too weak in the long run.

    The Jewish model is mixed. Stands the test of time.

    Go to it, white people.

    History is s great storehouse of experiment – instead of crafting something new by abstract reason and Enlightenment principle, look at what works.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
    , @Art
    , @Anon
  49. annamaria says:
    @Dieter Kief

    “have you forgotten what has happened to the Jews, and now you bring such racist and truly devastating slurs against theм…?”

    —No, people have been constantly reminded about the “special Jewish sufferings,” particularly because the Jews have made a nice money-extracting business on the whining. For example: “Dutch Railway Company To Pay Holocaust Reparations,” All while murdering civilians on the occupied territories of Palestine. The Jews have no shame.

    Meanwhile, the Jewish State has been in close collaboration with Ukrainian neo-Nazi (both Ukrainian president and prime minister are Jewish): “Israel Is Arming Ukraine’s Blatantly Neo-Nazi Militia the Azov Battalion,”

    The Jewish State is also content with the fact that an Israeli citizen Kolomojsky has been the main financier of Ukrainian neo-Nazi:

    One of the main reasons why Ukrainian Jewish billionaire tycoon Ihor Kolomoisky, the governor of Ukraine’s Dnipropetrovsk province and citizen of Ukraine, Israel, and Cyprus, is spending tens of millions of dollars on the recruitment of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis from other parts of Europe to fight against the Russian-speaking majority in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine, is a fear that plans to turn Ukraine into a «second Israel» will be derailed.

    And here is a representative of the Kagans family, Nuland-Kagan, a principal organizer of the neo-Nazi putsch in Kiev:

    The neo-Nazi Oleh Tyahnybok and the American Zionist Victoria Nuland, wife of Robert Kagan, diplomat are all smiles.

    • Agree: Robjil
  50. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Not quite there.

    Obviously the descendents of black slaves are Americans, and some number of black immigrants can become Americans.

    You need compromises and exceptions. Ditch the rigid Enlightenment thinking with its sharp categories.

    You need a mechanism that allows a small numbers of foreign race people to be absorbed without overwhelming the core stock.

    I don’t know if we can work this out using abstract enlightenment principles. We need an organic development.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  51. Vojkan says:
    @Jean de Peyrelongue

    Besides paranoia, also mythomania. The latter providing justification of the former.

  52. aandrews says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    There’s an apocryphal account of a senior-level SS officer, and I think it was Eichmann, inspecting the transportation of a number of Jews and speaking briefly with a Jewish lady who was part of the deportation roundup, asking her if she was a Zionist, to which she said, yes. He responded, Good. I am too. I want all of the Jews to go to Palestine.

  53. Dmitry says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Your comment – I could not understand beyond the first paragraph.

    In my personal experience, relative to size, Israel is probably the most multiracial, multicultural and multireligious country.

    And this is its weak point (maybe also its strong point). It’s too chaotic and has too many opposing groups, races, cultures and religions.

    Israel is full of most types of different race – some of them are from Jewish races (both white and brown), and a lot of have nothing to do with Jews.

    When you go to the supermarket in a non-elite area in Israel, and you see the different Indians, Orientals, Arabs, Africans and Slavic people, who are living there, then you might understand a little, how the multiracial and immigration situation became too extreme, and how Israel needs to become a lot more “right wing” and “close borders” than they currently are.

    Israel is mainly a victim of suicidal liberalism in many areas, and – while it is a successful country so far – it is more likely to collapse from a lack of homogeneity than almost any other country.

    As for any discussion of Israel. If people don’t know the country enough, to have observed the multiracialism of their skin colours (and culture and religion), then what’s the purpose of writing about it?

    Words no longer reference the real life country, and are just referring to some concept in an incurious person’s imagination. Discussing all these things like mono-racialism/religion/culture, which would be rather wonderful if Israel had them, but are the opposite of what any daily experience is like there.

  54. Sean says:

    Hazony either does not “understand,” or is flat-out lying about, the fact that Israel is an ethnostate and that Jews are a race.

    The original Zionists theorists may have thought that way, but they were all Ashkenazi. As late as the fifties Ashkenazim thought children of Yemeni Jews could grow up to be like Ashkenazi if they had the proper upbringing.

    DNA paternity testing has been able to confirm that, in some cases, adopted children trying to track down their biological parents were born to Yemenite families who had been informed that their children had died.[8][9] Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, described the issue as ‘an open wound that continues to bleed’ for the many families not knowing what happened to the children who disappeared.

    By now, after importing Ethiopian Jews (to help with the nullification of the UN resolution that Zionism was racism) Israelis understand that they are officially a nationality and can be of different races. Ashkenazi run Israel but they don’t make an overt thing of it. In Israeli terms Peter Brimelow would be an Ashkenazi chauvinist. Of course no Israel public intellectual would dare proclaimed the genetic superiority of the Ashkenazim and they cannot associate themselves with a foreign equivalent.

    Everyone understands and argues about whether justice demands that we allow some to enjoy markedly more advantages than others, simply by virtue of being born into a rich family or country But that the same rich kids also enjoy massive genetic advantages is something that neither politics or moral philosophy can deal with. So for the sake of the cohesion of society and the state, the Ashkenazi have to pretend they are not an intellectually superior sort of subrace of Jewry. The last thing they need is anyone saying that Jews are one race, because then the lower orders of Israeli Jews would start noticing who was calling the shots.

  55. Art says:

    Hazony even added that “Israelis regard their country as a national state and not a race state” and “Jews are a nation, not a race.”

    Really – the capacity of the Jews to ignore facts is astounding.

    The state of Israel is dominated by Jew racism.

    The state of Israel allows only ethnic Jews into the country. Its laws favor ethnic Jews. Clearly its ethnic religion is greatly involved in the state. All those things denote – race!

    So Israel is primarily a race based nation. Its borders do not define it. Clearly its tribal Jewness does.

    Do No Harm — Art

  56. A night withtout much sleep, a headache and a very hot day make it difficult to write a more elaborated comment (I read the article some hours ago). So, only a few remarks: In 2003 a book was published which had a target readership of exactly one person: Bush. The book had been written to tell Bush that presidents who fight wars are great people and great presidents like Churchill, Ben Gurion, Lincon and a few others and that the the Iraq war would make him a great leader in history. The book appeared because of the Iraq war. It was propaganda.

    I believe that this book has the same purpose. Times have changed, so they needed a new book. Israel has now different challenges like the ICC, international law, UN, the movement for sanctions, a skeptical view from Europe which still thinks that Palestinians have rights, critic from many sides, and so on. The Palestinians have been defeated, Arab neighbours have been destroyed, devastated. It should be very easy now to get the whole territory. But it isn’t because of those constraints, Europe, ICC, UN and so on.

    On the one side there are such constraints and at the same time nationalism is a movement which is growing. Why not write a book that channels nationalism in order to counter critic of Israel and all those challenges? A spirit of nationalism would fit Israel very well and also other purposes. The only problem is to interpret it so that it fits all needs of the author: bash Iran and Arabs, make the apology of Israel, tell Europeans to shut up and tell the Americans how good Israel is. The book was written to fit those aims.

    It’s a silly book. I haven’t read it. I read now not very attentively some readers reviews. One says: “Until reading this book I had not seen the parallels between the imperialism of the past and it’s modern successors Nazism, communism, the UN, and the European community.” It’s a book to fool naive people.

  57. AaronB says:

    You’re not wrong, but you’re exaggerating just a bit.

    But Israel has a national unifying idea, and a unifying culture, so a people will be forged out of these disparate elements.

    It’s interesting what America would have been, if simultaneous with immigration, she had kept the melting pot, the strong national unifying idea.

    The great tragic thing about America is that they encourage immigration while at the same time encouraging each group to keep its culture and not gel into a single nation.

  58. @AaronB

    You may be on to a revolutionary idea here of major significance. Smart people should get out of their mental boxes and listen carefully to what you are suggesting.

    Neither pure ethnic/biological nationalism nor pure civic nationalism is a viable model over the long term.

    One thing is for certain: Enlightenment absolutism has run out of steam. In some sense, it has always been hollow at the core. (But it has provided some useful intellectual tools for manipulating the material world.)

    We need to find a new way forward that harmonizes and synthesizes the particular (organic local human cultures) with the universal (humanity as a whole in the abstract).

    I am not entirely convinced of your interpretation and rendition of Judaism, but there are concepts there worth thinking about. You should keep working on them.

    • Agree: AaronB
  59. Dmitry says:

    In Russia (at least in the official level), it’s celebrated a lot diversity and multiculturalism. This exists in Russia, but intensity of diversity is still quite low.

    So one of the interesting experiences when going on a plane from Russia to Israel, is how you go from mainly monoracial population (Russia), to a chaotically multiracial population (Israel).

    You go on the plane where it’s very mild tones of white skin (Russia), and when you out of the airport on the other side (Israel), it is wide variety of race/skin, and this is culture shock.

    It’s a journey from life of relative homogeneity (Russia), to a discordant mixture of races (Israel).

    Now, on this website, people are talking like it was the opposite, as if Israel is monoracial. It’s a sign that people have either not been to Israel, or they were in a fantasy while there, and so didn’t notice the people surrounding them.

    It’s sad Israel is one of the least monoracial, monocultural and monoreligious countries – it would be a lot less difficult there if it was more homogeneous, like any normal country is.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  60. Robjil says:

    David Sheen tells the real deal about African immigrants in Israel.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  61. geokat62 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    It is this Israeli & diaspora Jewish hypocrisy that makes nationally conscious Europeans & Americans angry with Jews as a group, because they see for what it really is – fake & inimical to their ways of life.

    Speaking of fake, get a load of this video, UNDERCOVER: Cheating the Asylum Application System:

    Excerpt from, Pro-Migrant NGO Caught on Tape Admitting to Helping Migrants Lie to Claim Asylum:

    Pro-migrant advocacy NGO Advocates Abroad has shut down their social media accounts after executive director Ariel Ricker was caught on tape by Canadian conservative activist filmmaker Lauren Southern admitting her group coaches migrants to lie to claim asylum…

    During the secretly recorded footage, Ms Ricker admits that her group help migrants put on an “act” to get a better chance at asylum saying, “[The European Asylum Support Office] says, ‘This is a refugee in trauma, they have these characteristics,’ so we coach people how to have these characteristics.”

    “We teach them … how to keep their private trauma private because all this acting is a shield. I tell them this is acting, all of this is acting, it’s all acting as though this is theatre. So for them to get through they must act their part in the theatre, and that is the refugee in trauma because these EASO officers are so fucking stupid, all they know is written on the paper,” Ricker added.

    Notice a pattern, goy?

    For those who don’t know, Ariel Ricker is the Executive Director of the legal aid NGO, Advocates Abroad:

    Advocates Abroad opened operations at the Idomeni, Greece border in 2016. The first teams were set up to operate temporarily, only to mitigate the legal crisis at that border.

    Within its first week, Advocates received 350 applications to join the field team and 700 messages from refugees in Greece and Turkey.
    Since Idomeni, 670 local and foreign teams have been trained and deployed into nine countries on field missions.

    Advocates Abroad remote teams operate on seven online platforms, and have assisted refugees originating from over 65 countries.

    Another one of these nefarious NGOs is openDemocracy.

    I got this excerpt from their website:

    Aslam, a shy and quiet Iranian boy with about 10 years old, raised his head to smile and lowered it so that he could concentrate on his drawing. He joined the protests like all the others. He drew the symbol of UNHCR three times (a pair of hands housing a person) and wrote around repeatedly “help, help, help” and in the middle “IRAN”.

    Pulls on the ole heartstrings, don’t it goy?

    A little backgrounder on openDemocracy:

    openDemocracy is an independent global media platform publishing up to 60 articles a week and attracting over 7 million visits per year.

    Through reporting and analysis of social and political issues, openDemocracy seeks to educate citizens to challenge power and encourage democratic debate across the world. With human rights as our central guiding focus, and open-mindedness as our method, we ask tough questions about freedom, justice and democracy.

    We help those fighting for their rights gain the agency to make their case and to inspire action.

    It has been funded by the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation among other organisations including the Open Society Foundation, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Ford Foundation and Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  62. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:

    You do not know history. About the New Sweden, New Netherland colonies and the settling of Pennsylvania by German speaking Amish and Mennonites, and the Catholic presence in the colonies and the Celtic presence in Appalachia. Even assuming your erroneous history, if Blacks were viewed as an “incumberence” why were they imported in such high numbers and bred even forced to race-mix with Whites? For most of America’s history Americans have been racist supremacists, but they have never been White nationalist. A distinction Americans are incapable of, given their horrid history and awful educational system.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. The debate shouldn’t be over whether or not Israel is an ethnostate but whether or not it has a right to exist , a debate which people are unlikely to touch ” with a ten foot barge pole ” because of accusations of anti-semitism . I recently visited the Mapparium in Boston which contains a globe of the World showing most nations as of 1935 , I saw no sign of Israel but I did see Palestine and Trans Jordan. In Jeremy Hammond’s essay ” The myth of the U.N. creation of Israel ” he argues that the UN’s Resolution 181 in 1948 did not create the State of Israel and did not confer authority or legitimacy to its creation . At the time it is said that Arabs had possession of 85 per cent of the land and they certainly did not voluntarily relinquish it for a Jewish State .

  64. Dmitry says:

    Israel is a culturally provincial country. It’s not culture leader, but a culture follower. They copy what is fashionable in the West.

    So they cargo-cult to African culture in a similar way as the Western countries.

    So that’s why the most popular celebrity in Israel at the moment, is a Christian African dancer from Togo, called Stephane Legar. Here are his music videos – he uses a mixture of French and Hebrew slang. Israelis have accepted his race, religion (Christianity) and even language (French).

    And obviously between Jews, African singers are popular there.

    Romantic picture in video below is between two Jews (Ethiopian Jew and European Jew). For modern Israeli people this is almost completely uncontroversial, as they don’t care about race, but about religion.

    The controversial romantic relationships in Israel, are those between Jews and Muslims (it’s usually a Muslim man courting teenage Jewish woman). If two Jews are from a different race, they don’t care.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  65. @Dmitry

    I don’t get it how you don’t get it.

    It’s not the point how multiracial Israeli bazaars look; the point is that official Israeli immigration policy is exclusively nationalist & permits, as a rule, Jews only. It is not some universal humanists open borders policy. Sure, it does let some non-white Asian & black Jews & fringe pro-Judaist wacko blacks from America (they are a small minority, by the way)- but this is absolutely different from letting non-Jewish foreigners like, say, Swedish Christians or Pakistani Muslims with the intent of assimilating them into Israeli society & making them Israelis, like the rest. Israelis want to be Jewish ethno-state, and this ethno-state’s identity is defined according to specifically Jewish rabbinical rulings.

    On the other hand, Israeli & even more pro-Israeli diaspora Jewish activists root for “universal humanist” mass immigration into affluent European & Europe-derived societies (Australia, Sweden,..), with immigrants belonging to completely alien ethnic, racial, cultural & religious groups that are basically ethnically swamping receiving countries. No Pakistani or Nigerian will ever become a Swede or Australian, and we all- including these activists- know that.

    And this is hypocrisy, as that guy had said.

    Of course Israel is the Jewish State, and affirming such may be among the least controversial things one could possibly say to a group of American Jews. [And when I say “Jews,” I mean people affiliated, to some degree, with the faith, even if they are not Orthodox.] To these people, Israel being the Jewish State is simply taken for granted.

    It appears to me that the same people who so vehemently call for Israel to be Jewish lack that same vigor when calling for France to be French, Germany to be German, or Sweden to be Swedish. Indeed, a lack of vigor would actually be satisfactory. In fact, it’s not even that: those same Zionists, by and large, fight against the nationalist sentiments in Europe. The establishment Jewish groups in the US, all of whom lock arms for Israel and lobby the American government to categorically support her at every turn, are the same groups that consistently call for open borders in Europe, increased immigration from the Middle East, a full-out embracing of multiculturalism, a weakened national culture, and a diminished Church. They are the same groups that slander and defame leaders like Le Pen in France and Wilders in the Netherlands. They are the same groups that push for the death of Europe and her people.

    Quite plainly, any Jew in the US who calls for American support for the Jewish state but condemns the nationalists in Europe is a hypocrite. He is a hypocrite for the very simple reason that he wants national self-determination for a people in one part of the world but not for another in a different part of the world. He is a hypocrite because he wants his country, the US, to protect the nationalist and ethno-centric aspirations of Israel, his homeland, but not those of Europe.

    But it’s even more nuanced than this. The peculiar position of these Jews is not so much in their exclusive nationalist desires for one state. It is in their exclusive denial of such nationalist rights to the peoples of Europe. For some strange reason, there is a hate for the European race, and that hate translates into a desire for its ultimate destruction. After all, what better way to crumble Europe than to replace its volk? As it is said, “demography is destiny.” Every other country on the planet, especially including the Jewish State of Israel, is entitled to national self-determination—to an ethnic nation-state. Why must Europe be left out?

    That being said, with the Jewish question set aside, why don’t Jews about the European civilization and people as an issue in it of itself? The displacement of a people is no small exploit, especially a people that has played such a critical role in human history in the creation of Western civilization. With Europeans’ dwindling birthrates, the necessity to preserve the national identity of the European peoples becomes ever more important. Jews, whose homeland is the world’s shining example of the ethno-nation state, should be at the forefront of this fight. Jews, who understand better than most people the importance of continuation and preservation, should be at the forefront of the fight for Europe. It is selfish to stay out, and hypocritical to counter.

    Unfortunately, the Jews seem to be on the wrong side. Again.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  66. @geokat62

    I know about that Ricker “thing”, I’ve met her in a few articles I forgot to bookmark…..

  67. bjondo says:

    Khazaria is East.
    “Middle East” appropriate.

    Don’t curse Iran.

  68. Truth3 says:

    A very ugly stranger walks into your house, without asking permission. He kills your mule, burns your toolshed, uproots your orchard, robs your safe, eats the entire cupboard bare, rapes your daughter, shoots your son, beats your pregnant wife in front of you until she miscarries, and when you try to stop him, you happen to break his fingernail, and in a blind rage he screams “Terrorist!” and calls the local Sheriff, some dude from far away named “Uncle Sam”, who gives him a shotgun so he can blow your head off. He does. With a grin. He’s Chosen, see… he can do what he wants. His rebbe told him so.

    After he forces your raped daughter and beaten wife to bury you and your son near the latrine outside, he then bulldozes your house (with a Caterpillar), including the pitiful markings of your grave, and your parents graves too… and then… has the nerve to rename your village after some 16th Century dude from Khazaria.

    Welcome to Palestine.

    • Agree: renfro
  69. Dmitry says:

    Groups like Soros and EU, established NGOs to teach them Hebrew.

    And then the same NGOs, hire lawyers and successfully appeal to Israel’s Supreme Court that they should not be deported, for combined with other reasons – they speak Hebrew.

    The number is very large, and I’ve seen whole areas of city in Israel are flooded with illegal African immigrants.

    A lot are Muslim and the women are wearing hijabs. However, Israel provides them with schools, medical insurance and work permits. (At the same time, illegal immigrants from countries like Ukraine and Georgia are all deported, as they have good diplomatic relations with Israel).

  70. annamaria says:

    “Israel is probably the most multiracial, multicultural and multireligious country.”

    — The propaganda is indeed subtle but the facts on the ground do not agree with your sweet song: “Who can get married in Israel, and who can’t…”

    …there’s no possibility of intermarriage. A Jew cannot marry a Christian here. One of the couple will have to convert. If you’re unwilling to convert, or if you’re unwilling to submit yourself to a religious court, you will have no option but to marry in another country. The most common option is Cyprus, which is very close and where a small cottage industry related to Israelis coming to get married has already developed; Prague, in the Czech Republic, is also a popular option.

    The Israeli government will then begrudgingly acknowledge your marriage. If you’re a Christian marrying a Muslim, a Buddhist marrying a Christian, or a Ba’hai marrying a Mormon, the state will probably ignore you afterwards. But if one of the partners is a Jew and the other isn’t, then the couple should brace themselves for harassment by the Interior Ministry. If the non-Jewish partner is also not a citizen, this can – and often does – end in an attempt to expel him or her from the country.

    Also, if you’re a non-Jew who fell in love with a Jew, and you wish to convert, tough luck: if you convert to a non-Orthodox version of Judaism, chances are you’ll go through hell before the government will recognize the conversion. And if you wish to be converted by the only state-sanctioned Jewish court, an Orthodox one, be advised that they will reject you outright if you admit the cause of conversion is love and marriage. Also, if you wisely chose not to burden them with this fact and they learn of it later on, they can annul the conversion. In which case, I highly recommend hiring one of the excellent advocates of Lucifer and Sons, as they’re basically the only ones who can get you out of this mess.

    Hey, you wanted a Jewish state, right?

    There are words that fit a description of the situation: discrimination, supremacism, religious/ethnic fanaticism.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Twodees Partain
  71. A book that could be compared with the book by Yoran Hazony and was also published recently is the book by Bernard Henry Levy: “Empire and the Five Kings”. He also seems to want to tell the West what is better for the West and for the world. From the book description: “Levy shows how these five – Russia, China, Turkey, Iran, and Sunni radical Islamism – are taking steps to undermine the liberal values that have been a hallmark of Western civilisation”. It would be interesting if someone writes a critical review of both books. By the way, the book that I mentioned in my comment above is a book by Eliot Cohen, “Supreme Command: Soldiers, Statesmen, and Leadership in Wartime”.

  72. Tlotsi says:
    @Dieter Kief

    If it weren’t for Hitler, Israel wouldn’t even exist.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  73. Dmitry says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Your comment still incoherent, talking about some Jews in the West?

    Jews (like Soros, etc) who support more weak immigration policy in Europe, also support it in Israel.

    Who pays for New Israel Fund for example, which receives $50 million a year for activism in Israel, and successfully hires lawyers, and prevented deportation of African illegal immigrants via Supreme Court.

    Dangerous thing here, is that liberal people are not hypocrites – they believe increasing diversity and illegal immigration, is only net positive for society, and they feel this way with any society they interact with.

    For some countries, this is having little effect. For a country like Israel, which is perhaps the most multiracial one and also in a war between Jews and Muslims – it has probably the more negative effect.

  74. Dmitry says:

    Israel does not have civil marriage, only religious marriage.

    So you need a Rabbi, Priest or Iman to marry you – and these people do not accept marriage between different religions.

    Although, e.g. every year, 100 Jewish Israeli women convert to Islam, to marry Muslim men.

    Also in recent years, there are some stories interfaith marriages inside Israel.

    However, even for people from the same religion, the desirable marriage, is civil marriage, as this allows divorce.

    Israel recognizes civil marriage from other countries, so as a result around 20% of Israelis now marry outside Israel, especially as quite a large proportion of Israelis are not “halachic Jews” and cannot receive Jewish marriage.

    That’s why Israelis go to Cyprus, Russia, etc, for their marriages.

  75. I hate to say it but Yoram Hazony has a point. White people are worshipping the Jewish god and have no god of their own. They are just a collection of pale skinned people while the Jews have a god who has chosen them and a history that goes back thousands of years. There should be a European god that Europeans worship. There should be an American god too that defends our interest. What is wrong with people of European descent? Why do they lack a religion of their own. It is shameful. Are they so weak-minded and unimaginative that they have to import religion? Yoram Hazony can have his cake and eat it too while people of European descent cannot because being European isn’t a religous group. Whites have lost the argument until they start behaving like indigenous people with indigenous religions. I think Americans should worship America and not Israel. America’s god could wipeout Israel’s god in minutes. We already got American exceptionalism, we just need an indigenous god to tell us we are chosen and special. Then you could say America is going to be an American religious majority as you define it. Just make it hard as hell to join the religion so not just anyone can get into the country. See how that works for the Israelis?

  76. Miggle says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Look at Claudius’ expulsion of Jews from Rome, at Matt. 23:15 and at Acts 18:2. The Jews were expelled from Rome in 139 BC, in AD 19 and then around AD 49. Always for the same reason, the social turmoil caused by their aggressive proselytizing. And that’s all the occasions we know about, from scraps of records. There would have been many other such occasions in many other cities throughout the Hellenistic world.

    And within that period, perhaps around AD 25, Jesus Christ said (KJV)

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, […]

    Post Alexander every educated person from Spain and Carthage to the Indus Valley spoke Greek. Add to that Roman roads and safe travel. Centuries of fierce Jewish proselytizing throughout all three continents of the world.

    Then think LXX, written between 250 and 150 BC.

    The Septuagint was the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament and was in wide use by the time of the story of Jesus and Paul simply because most Jews could no longer read Hebrew

    Since the Ezra/Nehemiah era most Palestinian Jews spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was a dead language. But Palestine was microscopic relative to that Hellenistic world spreading over three continents.

    Back to Acts 18. The Jew Paul was a native of Cilicia on the south coast of Anatolia. The Jew Aquila was a native of Pontus on the north coast of Anatolia. Neither was from Palestine.

    Judaea was the center of Judaism but its Jewish population was microscopic relative to the Jewish population of the world.

    Not because they had been expelled from there. They were never there. There was never a diaspora.

  77. @Pheasant

    That certainly explains a lot about Ariel Sharon. He must have felt insecure about his Jewish credentials his whole life, hence his overcompensating for it with his enthusiasm towards killing Israel’s enemies.

  78. Leo says:

    Once again, I’m informing you that as far as CITIZENSHIP is concerned, Jewishness is NOT defined matrimonially. Also, non-Jews can become citizens under certain circumstances.

    I’m not telling this for you to start arguing. I’m informing you about real world facts.

    I understand that you picked a few pieces of info on Israel via a search on the Internet. But it’s not equal to the knowledge of what happens in real life.

    • Replies: @Anon
  79. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    Description is better than the term that is used to describe the events, details, planning,the differences and the views expressed along the way by the various stake holders invested in the event about for regarding Zionism. .

    Ethnicity, racism, nationalism, race, nation ,country culture progressivism liberty ,freedom are words and are palpated on entirely different constructs by people. Just describe the events and let people decipher the deeper entrails in the belly of the beast of the Zionsim..

    What is Israel? What is Jewishness What is a country what is democracy as far as Israel is concerned? Who cares ?

    All I need to know that powerful Jews gathered and forced UK USA and USSR to allow the creation of it. All I need to know that the partition plan was not legal and was imposed by force es. All I need to know that people of other religions were forced out because of religion . All I need to know that Is are was happy to behave like Nazi, like Gualg- Cheka- Trotysky combination , and was happy to sleep with dictators apartheid countries , hobnob with gangs of Latin America, ethnocentric party like BJP-RSS, work with SAVAK-Iran , and is not happy working with murdeeroeus Saudi It talks of sovereignty and UN but attacks and destroys Syria . It steals from US UK and Palestine . It elevates the horror it faced in 1940 as something more in magnitude and intensity and it claims the horror was influenced by supernatural evil forces .Based on these, they want these experiences should be eternally compensated on on-going basis by the poor of Europe . Also claims that same experiences in the past gives it the moral right to attack neighbors and the people in far flung areas with impunity.

    Description not the label that should be used while we are trying to understand the person whether it is Bernard Levy or Bennet or Netanyhua or or ambassador Denny or Kushner, the frame of reference should be the detailed description.

    Label is wring application. Who cares it is a country nation race or religion. It is pure evil – may be tats the only label we can use. But its the description that what we need .

    • Replies: @Wally
  80. @Tlotsi

    Yep, and if there had been no US-supported Russians and Brits in WW II, Israel might now be in Madagascar – at least that was, what the Big White Hysteric was publicly musing about for some time.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  81. geokat62 says:

    Jews (like Soros, etc) who support more weak immigration policy in Europe, also support it in Israel.

    Sounds very plausible at first sight. But when you dig a little deeper, you come closer to the truth:

    Naomi Paiss, NIF’s vice president of public affairs, says that it is the actions of grantee organizations that are looked at to determine whether they qualify for funding, and not the personal views of individuals involved. In her words, NIF “won’t support organizations working to deny the Jewish people’s right to sovereign self-determination”. She explains that it is not relevant whether the “leaders of (Israeli-)Arab organizations prefer a multinational, multicultural state” so long as the work by the grantees is not “designed to change the State of Israel”

    See the difference, goy. In the West, these NGOs work to change our countries, but their activities in the Jewish state serve the purpose of plausible deniability. Wake up, goy!

  82. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    people pass on their genes directly—by having children—but also via “inclusive fitness,” by aiding their kin.

    True, and that’s a very interesting aspect of evolution. Every race, or even an animal species, benefits from in-group altruism. A lot of animals/people who didn’t procreate will still do their best to protect their own.

    This also explains bullying to some extent. Common “wisdom” is against it, but many animals and humans will instinctively reject the weakest and the most alien members of the genetic pool. This is absolutely necessary because those specimens will mostly work against its host instead of being altruistic. They are ultimate outsiders so it’s it’s in their own interest to destroy the host.

    Needles to say, the Jews are an ultimate outsider, and a parasite, to every goyim nation.

  83. anarchyst says:

    It wasn’t always that way…

    It’s jewish advocated “balkanization” of the country that encourages immigrants to preserve their “old-country” ways…

    There used to be a time when just about ANY immigrant who set upon the shores of America was not only grateful, but willing to shed his “old world” ways and support his adopted country.

    He might have not known the language, and found some American customs and practices “strange”, but he fully embraced the idea that he could be an AMERICAN.

    He not only embraced the American ideal, but made damn sure that his children fully appreciated the land in which they were born.

    Contrast that to today’s immigrant, who is only concerned about one thing–American dollars.

    Today’s immigrants care not about the founding principles of this country, the Constitutional principles in which our rights are endowed by our Creator, that our “rights” are not granted by government, and that the most important thing about being an American is the sense of freedom that he doesn’t want for himself or his offspring.

    Today’s immigrant brings his “old-world” customs and squabbles here, demanding that native-born Americans kowtow to him and change THEIR ways to accommodate his “old-world” ways.

    His children are not encouraged to become Americans and fully assimilate, but are required to maintain their “old-world” customs and ways, even if they run counter to American customs and mores. These old-world customs and ways quite often are criminal in nature, and do nothing to endear him to native-born Americans. He just does not want to assimilate.

    Anther aspect of immigrants despicable behavior is that of “gaming the system”. Quite often, immigrants open party and liquor stores and than run an “EBT card” scam, paying cash (50 cents on the dollar) while raking in the profits. When they are caught, they feign “language difficulties” and quite often, get away with light punishment (if any) for their scams against the America taxpayers. Such scams are rampant across the USA.

    Just recently, in the Detroit area, there was a great hue and cry by liberal types over the proposed deportation of Iraqi criminals. Although the crimes were committed when they first immigrated to the USA, and they lived “exemplary lives” (yeah, right) after, their crimes were finally catching up with them.

    Many of today’s immigrants do not deserve to be here and should go back to where they came from.

  84. One Tribe says:

    Interesting article; thank you for bringing it to us.

    It is also a fairly complex, and… convoluted discussion.

    But when I came across the author’s definition of “cognitive dissonance“, it gave me pause, it seems unnecessarily lengthy and obfuscating.
    A quick search quickly revealed my understanding of “cognitive dissonance“:

    …It occurs when one’s ideas, beliefs, or behaviors are contradictory. …

    Also, I should again like to point out that I have not seen a measurable, reliable, tested and proven definition for ‘race‘; so I have to disagree with Patrick Casey, on the quote attributed to him, “…“white” identity was “racial” …“, and agree* with the quote attributed to Hazony that a “…nation, I mean a number of tribes with a common language or religion, and a past history of acting as a body for the common defense and other large-scale enterprises.

    * – ‘tribe of course, one should note, is a loaded term, which again refers back to a racial commonality; which I again, do not believe is even close to being provable in scientific investigation.

    I note that this seemingly goes against the false rabbinical talmudist narrative that their collective is a race.

    Which is interesting, since rabbinical talmudism is based on racial commonality and distinction from humanity, and the fundamental defining characteristic of it, is enforced discrimination against all out-group peoples, and gaming rules-based governance to gain advantage in host nation states.

    Could this signal a change in the official hasbara?

  85. @AaronB

    Assimilation means outmarriage. Thus, peoples originating within the Hajnal lines tend to be assimilable. As the line extends further out, assimilation gets harder–the groups just evolved completely differently. Persians are very competitive in the sexual marketplace; Meso-Americans, not so much. Most of them are sexually invisible to other groups.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  86. @Alfred

    More down to earth stuff like this and we might begin to flush out a better idea of what a nationalist might be that we, whites, could possibly feel we were fellows to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. @Alfred

    “British”. Not English. In the same way that I could be an “American” (if things went really, horribly wrong), but never a Cherokee.

  88. Antares says:

    “In fact Israel is a refuge-state for maddeningly diverse minorities, as voted by the United Nations in 1947. The murderous war our neighbors are waging against us bonds us together into a solid body, even if we may not like the catinga of each other.”

    Not facts but lies. Which murderous wars are your neighbours waging? None. Did the UN vote to disperse the Palestinians and create your own institutions? Never. A refuge state? Nope, we defeated Nazism but you wanted to live among arabs in land that had not been cleared by us.

    Three lies can’t support a fourth lie. Don’t blame me for informing you.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @J
  89. Frankly I find analyses and articles on racial, tribal and nationalistic metaphysics downright boring. I see them as cul de sacs adding little to nothing to my knowledge base and understanding/appreciation of the human condition. Other than an interminable ego ride, I see little else of intellectual value.

  90. Wally says:

    “It steals from US UK and Palestine . It elevates the horror it faced in 1940 as something more in magnitude and intensity and it claims the horror was influenced by supernatural evil forces.”

    The false claims of “horror” were influenced by claims which are impossible.

    Hence, even Israel’s “holocaust” justifications for it’s very real acts of horror are lies.

  91. @Anon

    I could no doubt be accepted into WN circles without even the legacy complications of Irish and Catholic shed by the mid 19th century but I have in-laws now who are genetically East Asian and non tribal Ashkenazi. There are too young members of the extended family with East Asian and Ashkenazi genes mixed with mine. I would expect you and I to be co-tribal as educated moderns.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  92. @AaronB

    Yes the old Roman families became pretty good at living with a a very mixed lot from outside the Italian peninsula, including a lot of emperors.

  93. @Dmitry

    Looks like I have to spell it out point by point (and not going to repeat it, because this is tiresome)

    1. I’m talking mostly about diaspora Jews

    2. there is no Grand Jewish Conspiracy to undermine “white race”

    3. most ethnic Jews in Euroland plus Anglosphere can be divided into a few subgroups, say 4-6, with regard to their levels of Jewish loyalty & ethnocentrism

    4. a powerful minority of organized Jews in these lands are very active in Open borders advocacy & activity. Most suicidal lunatics in Euroland & Americas are local Gentiles, but Jews are over-represented in “booohooo let’s import as many colored outsiders as possible since this land is “too white” & Euros are almost genetically predisposed to Jewcide”

    5. you can find very vocal & influential Jewish activists among those who call for ethnic-racial swamping of historically white & Christian lands by various Muslims, Africans & else

    6. you will find very few nationally conscious Jews who fight for their adopted country (for instance Eric Zemmour in France), while I am not aware that they even exist in the US (I may not know of their existence)

    7. most Jewish individuals in Euroland & Americas & Anglosphere are indifferent or don’t want to engage in this debate. But, among Jewish activists, pro-unlimited immigration Jews outnumber those for more realist & restricted-immigration in at least 1000 to 1 ratio

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  94. @Wizard of Oz

    but I have in-laws now who are genetically East Asian and non tribal Ashkenazi.

    Nothing a good cosmetic surgery couldn’t fix …….

  95. @Dmitry

    Thanks for sharing your perspective on this, which upends the usual preconceptions on this issue.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  96. Anon[926] • Disclaimer says:

    You will learn not to waste your time replying to annamaria. As you can see she’s not very bright.

    • Replies: @Leo
    , @annamaria
  97. renfro says:

    Moreover, a large minority of Israelis don’t accept Ethiopian Jews as being part of their tribe. In 2005 a survey found that 43% of Israelis would not marry an Ethiopian Jew and would

    That’s odd because from what I have observed there are a lot of Jews who are probably descended from mixed Arab-African marriages and are related to Africans…….physical features, plus traits like loudness, overly emotional , mysticism , hyper fear based responses, elaborate displays for celebrations, etc..

  98. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    we, whites


  99. ““In fact Israel is a refuge-state for maddeningly diverse minorities, as voted by the United Nations in 1947. The murderous war our neighbors are waging against us bonds us together into a solid body, even if we may not like the catinga of each other.”

    As someone who supports the right of states to exist, including Israel. The above comment makes the matter very tough. The issue of primary concern among the states and the Palestinian ethnicities was whether or not Israel was going to engage in aggressive Zionist policies. Despite a;ll the reassurances in very short order Israel was engaged in acts of terrorism and then inexplicably joined France and Great Britain in a war against Egypt.

    One can only conclude that Israel’s ambitions at the time exceeded zionist agendas.

  100. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    When people are confronted with the inconsistencies in their thought system and model of who they are, they will experience “cognitive dissonance,” and all the feelings of insecurity and helplessness that come with it. This will “trigger” profound negative emotions and, depending on individual personality, they may run away and hide or lash out, perceiving the messenger of their “cognitive dissonance” as an existential threat.

    Aha, what do you know, here we get a clear expression of the kind of “cognitive dissonance” racist honkies are infected with… Islamophobia!

    The innate source of their as yet unrecognised “cognitive dissonance” is… what else but their Pagan Polytheist Mangods-worship! Godlessness, really. A subliminal certainty of being utter spiritual ciphers, with no hope of salvation.

    No wonder they find the True Monotheism of Islam, an existential threat, as they lash out against it. Tsk. Tsk.

    Now do you understand that y’all are just sick, and need help? May I humbly suggest the closest Imam. The cure is simply minutes away. 😀

  101. @J

    ‘…In fact Israel is a refuge-state for maddeningly diverse minorities, as voted by the United Nations in 1947. The murderous war our neighbors are waging against us bonds us together into a solid body, even if we may not like the catinga of each other.’

    That’s a lie from start to finish, of course.

    The Jews of Israel mainly stem from three sources: Holocaust survivors, Jews from Middle Eastern and North African countries, and Russia.

    The Russian Jews came because life in Israel was preferable to life in Russia — not because they needed a ‘refuge.’

    To see the Middle Eastern and North African Jews as having needed Israel as a ‘refuge’ reverses cause and effect. Even if one buys the Zionist narrative, they only had to leave their homes in the first place because Israel had come into being. Had there been no Israel, they could have stayed right where they were, and continue to live as they’d lived ever since their ancestors adopted Judaism.

    Finally, the Holocaust survivors only ‘had’ to go to Israel because the Zionists themselves made sure they had no choice. When the Second World War ended, and it became clear that the Jews who had survived the Holocaust couldn’t simply go back to their homes, well-meaning figures in Britain and the United States came up with a fine, generous, definitive solution.

    They’d be resettled! Half would come to America, and half would go to the various states of the British Commonwealth.

    Consternation and horror at Zion Central. This plan was scotched, pronto. The Holocaust survivors could go to one place, and one place only: Palestine.

    So as you see, if Israel was a ‘refuge,’ the refugees were pretty much invented. Not one Jew would have been without a home if Israel had never come into being. In fact, many of them would have nicer homes than they do now.

    Now as to the ‘murderous wars your neighbors wage against you.’ Funnily enough, you’ve started all but one of those wars: 1948, 1956, 1967, 1982, and 2006 — all were acts of Zionist aggression. The only war your neighbors started was the 1973 war, when Syria and Egypt attempted to recover their lost territories from you.

    Of course, these wars do bind you together — that much I have to admit is true. That’s why you need to keep starting them. Without the regular wars, Israel would indeed fall apart.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Den Lille Abe
  102. @Dmitry

    Sorry, but I find this repellent. Jewish youths should be sent to some kind of racial re-education labor camp.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  103. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    To be fair, the worst hypocrites are the Moslems.

    Lol! So what? Most people are hypocrites, so we are hardly any different.

    For all our flaws, we possess the flawless true monotheism of Islam. On the other hand, you pagans are equally flawed, actually more so with your uncontrolled degeneracy (promiscuity, intoxication, greed…), but are also cursed with your “in-his-image” mangods-worshipping godlessness.

    At least, we ultimately get to succeed.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  104. renfro says:

    Trump’s Jews working hard for Israel. The founders of America are turning over in their graves at this Jewish abomination.

    U.S. Envoys Joins Inauguration of Settler Project in East Jerusalem

    In a tweet Sunday, Greenblatt said the Palestinian Authority “claims our attendance at this historic event supports ‘Judaization’ of Jerusalem/is an act of hostility vs. Palestinians. Ludicrous. We can’t ‘Judaize’ what history/archeology show. We can acknowledge it & you can stop pretending it isn’t true! Peace can only be built on truth.”

  105. @Bardon Kaldian

    The article’s author – and Brimelow – are disingenuous to the point of outright oddity, that they elect to focus on “race” rather than ethnicity, and especially so when they are so obviously aware of the distinction.

    The former of the two is so aware of this he feels it necessary to pitch a quasi-scientific argument about the relationship between the two, an argument even he advances openly, as tenuous.

    The oddity and disingenuity is this:

    When you have the choice between:

    Advancing argument A (i.e.: ethnicity) – and standing a fighting shot at prevailing
    Advancing argument B (i.e.: race) – which doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell

    Why would you advance B?

    Assuming one isn’t stupid or ignorant, I can only thing of two reasons, either one are delusional, or one is cleverly playing for the other side.

    There is a difference between race and ethnicity. In evidence:

    1. Synonyms not withstanding, we don’t usually have two words for exactly the same thing – for some reason people distinguish here – the curious and those with stakes in the game should stand up and notice
    2. Select any census form – it separates race and ethnicity in a way that allows them to overlap
    3. Select any employment application … the nearest one you can get your hand on at random – it does the same

    This is not by accident. People who think about this distinguish race and ethnicity.

    It’s genuinely odd that Welton, Brimelow, and so many here., fix on “race”. It’s like a giant pearly prize they hand to their presumed erstwhile adversaries.

    The claim that Israel is an ethnostate – ethnicity – ethnostate – is a very, strong claim. Mizrahi, Sephardi, Ashkenazi … all welcome.

    If someone thought that that claim is so strong that it either a) undermines Israel’s legitimacy to acknowledge it or b) empowers other people who themselves may be an ethnicity, but not a race (or otherwise by necessity purely racially exclusive) …

    Then … wouldn’t you want to frame the whole discussion to be about “white” and “race”, rather than say European or culturally European?

    • Replies: @Anon
  106. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Dmitry is exaggerating the extent of this kind of thing in Israel and also the extent of the multi racialness.

    Probably because the position we see on this site is so insane and extreme, that Israel is racist and that Judaism is racist.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
    , @anon
  107. LANCE WELTON: Hazony either does not “understand,” or is flat-out lying about, the fact that Israel is an ethnostate and that Jews are a race.

    Stranger: Wrong! WELTON either does not “understand,” or is flat-out lying.

    “The Jews” are a nation, not a race. The Torah says
    Exodus 19:6 “an holy nation( גּוֹי goy)..the children of Israel. ” The Jewish nation referred to as “goy”
    Gen 12:2 “I will make of you a great nation.” nation = גּוֹי goy
    [Repeated several times with minor variations]
    In MODERN TIMES, “goy” has come to means “a member of a nation OTHER than the JEWISH NATION” Goyim is plural.

    To see a list of all the races in the Jewish nation see.. … see the pictures of the people, especially
    “Chinese Jews from the city of Kaifeng, China, circa 1900”

    The Jews are a nation.
    “Nation” is not the same as “country”. A nation is a big social group, and a country is land possessed by a nation. Members of nations that possess a country, find it hard to make a distinction between “nation” and “country”. And their confusion has even reached some dictionaries.
    However there exist stateless nations, notably the Jews(until 1948), the Gypsies, and the Kurds. Members of stateless nations understand the difference between “nation” and “country”.

    Nation_binding forces include: common national religion, common possession of a country, common language, common customs, common history, common race, and more, making about 10 possible common qualities.

    A common national religion is especially important for a STATELESS nation, who have no “common possession of a country” to bind them. But when a stateless nation acquires a country, the national_religion immediately becomes less important. The Jews and Israel, for example. More than half Israeli Jews are secular, in the Diaspora it’s less than half.

    Common race helps too, if the others look like you, you tend to bind with them more easily. In any case you need about 4 hits of the 10 common qualities to have any chance of forming a nation.

    A revolution is a strong nation binding force. Shedding blood together.
    Even blood shedded by outsiders: The Armenian genocide is a binding force for the Armenians, and the Holocaust is a binding force for the Jews.

    “Multi_culturalism/ethnic_mosaic” just means ZERO shared common qualities and there is NO NATION.
    “A nation is …a historical group of men of a recognizable cohesion held together by a common enemy.” … Theodore Herzl
    “A nation is a group of people united by a common dislike of their neighbors and a common misconception about their ethnic origins.” … Karl Deutsch

  108. Art says:

    The Jewish model is mixed. Stands the test of time.

    Get a life – what arrogance – how totally wrong. For 2,000 years, Euro Little Jews lived in pig sties, while the Big Jews stole, skipped off with the gold, and left the Little Jews to suffer.

    Israel has been in existence for 70 years – it has the world pissed off at it, has no genuine friends, and it hides its nukes from humanity. Hardly a model of success. It is sustained by deceit and coercion.

    Do No harm — Art

  109. August says:

    Funny, Roninf, that’s not what the “1776 American citizens” told my German immigrant ancestors in the early 1800s. They told us that when we came over and helped them settle the Midwest, and if we assimilated, we would be just as American as they.

    We kept our end of the bargain for 200 years. No one alive in my family today has any living memory of their time before America. We all speak English and nothing else (though I am working to learn other languages). We are American citizens; and to which other country could we belong?–the Landgraviate of Hesse-Kassel, which our ancestors abandoned to the fires of the Napoleonic Wars over two centuries ago?–its successor state, the Kingdom of Prussia, which annexed it unlawfully?–its successor state, the German Empire, which ceased to exist 100 years ago? We have as many ties to the modern German state as you do, which is to say: none.

    We did what was asked of us for 200 years. Kindly who the fuck are you to cancel the deal now?

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Bert
  110. Truth3 says:

    Ethnicity and Race are two sides of the same coin. Just call it Tribal.

    It all depends on Tribal point of view.

    The real issues are…

    … Does any ‘Tribe’ have a world outlook of dominating, leeching off of, or murdering their fellow Earth dwellers? Yup. (((Early USSR, Middle East, USA, Palestine)))

    … Does any ‘Tribe’ act as a Mafia… using any criminal methods in the financial realm to further their own Tribal Members? Yup. (((Boesky, Milken, et al… but the Devil really had a sense of humor when ‘Madoff’ made off with the mostly Jewish cash, after the Goyim had been largely picked clean)))

    … Does any ‘Tribe’ utilize Deceit or False Flags as their favored weapon? Yup. (((Insert Mossad Motto here, 9/11)))

    Focus on the obvious. They are a Criminal Bunch, these (((Jooz))).

    • Replies: @Art
  111. Dmitry says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    1. Leftists in the West are not very interesting to me (they are as crazy as most people on this forum, and I prefer not to damage my mind thinking about crazy people too much).

    My post which you respond to is about Israel – and I’m explaining that it is one of – perhaps the most – multiracial, multicultural and multireligious countries.

    Whether you see this as good or bad, is another issue – I think it can be interesting, but in Israel it has become too extreme.

    2. Leftist activists for things like open borders, are not hypocrites, at least on a national level – you can see they support the same position for any country they interact with, and Israel probably suffers more from this kind of activism than anywhere.

    Foreign leftist funded legal NGOs were more successful in Israel, than any other country – because Israel does not have parliamentary sovereignty and is vulnerable through Supreme Court, and they were able to prevent detention and deportation of illegal immigrants from Israel.

    In addition, the scale of funding for this activism against Israel, is much larger relative to its size. New Israel Fund has $50 million a year budget, and it funds all the crazy exaggerations against Israel (kind of nonsense propaganda that dominates media).

    3. If leftist activists – for example, leftist Jews – were hypocrites, they would be a lot easier and more normal people. If it was related to self-interest, then it would easy to change the calculus for them. Of course, in reality, they really believe their ideology and imagine they’re some kind of angels.

    4. Illegal African immigrants in Israel, have their own YouTube channels. They have free medical care, schools, and even special scholarships for them to go to universities.

    They live well in Israel – so anyone talking about the persecution and racism against illegal immigrants in Israel, is in another planet. Israel has allowed them to live there for a decade now, while even the EU is deporting people from those same countries.

    How Sudanese Muslim YouTubers live in Israel

  112. @anonymous

    For all our flaws, we possess the flawless true monotheism of Islam. On the other hand, you pagans are equally flawed, actually more so with your uncontrolled degeneracy (promiscuity, intoxication, greed…), but are also cursed with your “in-his-image” mangods-worshipping godlessness.

    Oh, yeah….

    The Kingdom in the Closet

    Sodomy is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, but gay life flourishes there. Why it is “easier to be gay than straight” in a society where everyone, homosexual and otherwise, lives in the closet

    At least, we ultimately get to succeed.

    Of course…

  113. @Professional Stranger

    .. MORE
    [[Israel’s Indian Jews and their lives in the ‘promised land’ – 19 January 2018]]

    “The Jews” are a NATION, Judaism is the NATIONAL RELIGION.

  114. Mr. XYZ says:

    None of these groups were considered white by the Anglos, or even Nordics and Germans back in the 1800’s.

    This is a myth. The US Census Bureau appears to have considered a lot of–if not most or all of–those groups White in the 19th and 20th centuries.

  115. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    And three exclusion elements: non-Euro phenotype; no English language adoption; no Western culture, mostly related to clearly different religious-cultural spheres: Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, …

    Why would you possibly exclude Hinduism?

    Given that Christianity coopted much from Hindu teachings, such as that Trinity/Trimurthi thingy, Polytheist rituals, Idolatry, Mangods-worship, Saint-worship, Father/Son/Mother deities, etc., I think you pagans cannot and should not betray your parent faith. How could you?

    I demand that you exclude it from your exclusion elements…. right now mr.!!

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  116. @Professional Stranger

    Chinese Kaifeng Jewish Women arrive in Israel – March 1, 2016

    “The Jews” are a NATION, Judaism is the NATIONAL RELIGION.

    • Replies: @MikeP
  117. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    For someone who crafted most of a lengthy post as a vehicle for a single repetitive assertion using various synonyms for “wrong” (oddity x2, disingenuous x2, quasi-scientific, tenuous, stupid, ignorant, delusional) that imply a certain ignorance, your post is somewhat ironic in that it says very little in relation to its length.

    Simply stated, the content of your post is mostly hot air. It seems to be symptomatic of a rage dump rather than a well thought out rebuttal.

    Better writers and thinkers state something once and then get to their next point, rather than attempting to fluff their essay with repetition to seem like it is more than it is. Especially when that repetition is meaningless, unsupported assertion about how wrong someone else’s supported views are.

    Then there is this next piece of space filler:

    The oddity and disingenuity is this:

    When you have the choice between:

    Advancing argument A (i.e.: ethnicity) – and standing a fighting shot at prevailing
    Advancing argument B (i.e.: race) – which doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell

    Why would you advance B?

    Instead of stating that something can’t prevail, and asking a rhetorical question about the logic of its use, you are supposed to simply rebut it.

    Stating that something “doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell” is not a counter argument. The relatively high total word count up to this point, having made no substantive rebuttal (having only asserted synonyms for wrong), is not a counter argument. Your post reads as if you think that it is.

    It takes getting to the bottom of your post before some timid (timid especially in relation to the lengthy and strongly worded preface) substantive points are made.

    Below, I rebut your actual points one by one. Take note in regard to the post-response format so that you can more effectively express yourself in your next post:

    The claim that Israel is an ethnostate – ethnicity – ethnostate – is a very, strong claim. Mizrahi, Sephardi, Ashkenazi … all welcome.

    As often and variously claimed by Jews themselves, Judaism is sometimes one or all of the following: a religion, an ethnicity, a nation, and a race.

    You mention ethnicity, which is what defines an ethnostate. The three Jewish groups that you define above are all Jewish, with relatively little ethnic difference between them, meeting the homogeneous ethnicity standard for any ethnostate.

    If you believe that these groups are meaningfully ethnically different, then you either live too deep in a Jewish bubble, don’t understand these groups if a non-Jew, or are being deceptive. I’ve worked among these groups that were interacting all in the same place. In regard to any wider meaningful standard, they are all the same ethnicity. I doubt that you will find anyone here who is willing to entertain another view on the matter. For no other reason than that view would be wrong insofar as the context of this discussion is concerned (ie: comparing the ethnic distance between these groups to gentile ethnic differences within a racially homogeneous nation).

    Germans sub-groups (ie: Bavarian, Prussian, Swabian, etc) across Nazi Germany did not share as close an ethnicity / culture as do the three groups of Jews that you mention above, and yet it is the mainstream view that Nazi Germany was an ethnostate. Israel can not be held to a different standard than other nations, in spite of its self-styled status as “chosen”, and so it is correct to categorize it as an ethnostate using the ethnic uniformity of the three groups that you mention (to start). Beyond that, Israel has declared itself to be an ethnostate.

    Requiring that we rebut either willfully deceptive, intentionally dumb (in regard to known information), or otherwise repetitive arguments is a pet peeve of ours, collectively, as these type of arguments have been noted to be part of Jewish propaganda strategy since at least Hitler’s notation of them in Mien Kampf. You can engage in the tactic, but don’t be deluded that you are being persuasive. Its slightly annoying, but I concede that the one upside for us is that we get to rebut you in print.

    Perhaps you were speaking in imprecise language, and you meant to either:

    a. deny that Israel is a racial state or

    b. meant to imply that ethnostate implies a racial state.

    For both possibilities, my response is below.

    The larger Jewish groups in Israel are all subject to racial inbreeding disease (Tay Sachs), whereas no European ethnic group is. This genetic homogeneity implies a closer racial composition than any group in Europe. It follows that Israel is more effectively a racial state, due to group inbreeding, than any European State.

    Skin color is an imprecise social filter for race. It can screen people out, but not in (ie: Whiteness doesn’t make a Jew racially Swedish, but the lack of it excludes someone from the real Swedish group). Skin color is much less specific for genetic similarity than matrilineage that enforces the genetic closeness that is in-turn guarded against by other Jewish measures that are later below discussed. The result is that Swedes are not subject to in-breeding diseases while the Jewish group is, and the wider Jewish group is a much genetically closer racial group than the Swedish group and in spite of any variations in skin tone.

    For social inclusion, most greater European ethnicities (ie: Swedes) culturally use much looser standards than matrilineage or genetic tests (both used by Rabbis to approve applicants for Israeli citizenship).

    The standards for European society effective inclusion tend to be to look within a certain phenotype range, be completely culturally assimilated to include expressed acceptable behavior (ie: a high crime or even highly impulsive emigrated “Swede” is unlikely to be viewed as truly Swedish), and/or to be born to an unquestionably in-group parent.

    Jews are so xenophobic that the Rabbinical court frequently reverses earnest conversions and applies a cultural barrier to converts (the Mishanic Scale of Lineages) that effectively ostracizes them and their descendants indefinitely. The Mishnaic Scale of Lineages is quite openly and clearly a formal racial barrier to inclusion in the Jewish group.

    Jews will take different skin tones (their internationalism leaves them little choice) but screen more stringently for genetics through a variety of factors. The Jewish group tends to be phenotypically closer, on average, than individuals from any European nation. Typical Jewish second cousins look more related than do I and my siblings.

    To state that the bulk of the Jewish group isn’t a race as compared to the genetic closeness of other racial groups, and doesn’t attempt to maintain themselves as such, is not tenable.

    A small population of token Africans that serve as a political shield and that no ashkenazim intermarry with does not change those facts. If all that it took for Germany to be left alone was a small isolated community of Africans, which they would then attempt to sterilize as the Jews did to the Ethiopians and whom they would put heavy cultural stigmas and barriers guarding against inter-marriage as do the Jews, then they would have done it. That was never going to be an option as the Jews could not stand to lose their ownership of Germany and were always going to incite a war as a result, in spite of an eventual plan to eject all non-Jews from Israel (per their texts).

    If someone thought that that claim is so strong that it either a) undermines Israel’s legitimacy

    No Jew was concerned about National Socialist Germany’s legitimacy as an ethnostate. Organized World Jewry actively fights the self-determination efforts of non-Jewish European groups in the nations of those peoples.

    You cannot expect the world to care about the maintenance of Israel’s legitimacy when the existence of it as an ethnostate (which keeps millions of people in open air detention for decades, reminiscent of Nazi Germany) that clearly crosses lines that are viewed as a double standard. No Jew can expect sympathy as a result.

    From all of us: stuff your entitled self-interested whining. In your group, it oscillates between whining about the desire of others for their own ethnostates and whining about criticism over the one that you have.

    We know that your texts tell you that your god gave only you a nation, and that everyone else is to be dispossessed. In the long term, you’ll be lucky to escape actual revenge for your double standards and hostile religion that is responsible for untold millions of deaths and millions of people being born and dying in captivity over generations.

    Then … wouldn’t you want to frame the whole discussion to be about “white” and “race”, rather than say European or culturally European?

    They are used interchangeably. Our acceptable racial gamut is wider than that of the Jewish group, and so we often speak in terms of ethnicity. As it is used for our group, ethnicity always implies some racial restriction that varies by sub-group.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  118. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    No you dumb pagan scum, this is not about some adherents of Islam. All religious groups have degenerates amongst them, and Islam is no different, because the accursed Satan does not differentiate between any man. He waits for an opening, for any man inclined to degeneracy, then captures his soul… you appear to be a breathing example of an irredeemable “soul.”

    The flawlessness of Islam is in its True Monotheism. The following is what I mean by flawless;

    Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” Holy Quran 112

    The Oneness of the Almighty is indeed flawless. Praise be to Allah(swt), the Lord of the Worlds!!

    Btw, you may be right about Saudi Arabia having a gay problem. In my 20s I got to work there for a year. Got indecent proposals from a couple of queer scum. Wasn’t my thing, so…

    Anyway, you may wish to keep in mind what I said above, future denizen of the Fire! 😉

  119. LarryS says:

    Jacob whose name was changed to Israel had 12 sons whose descendants became the 12 tribes of Israel. In 722 BC the Northern Kingdom was vanquished leaving the tribes of Judah, Levi and a large part of Benjamin in the Kingdom of Judah.

    I doubt there are any direct descendants of Jacob alive today. Judaism is rabbinical Phariseeism based on the Talmud. Jews (Judeans) today are all descendants of converts from various groups.

  120. Art says:

    Ethnicity and Race are two sides of the same coin. Just call it Tribal.


    It is obvious that different tribes can come together and form nations. The reason to do this, is to defend land.

    Nations are about loyalty to land and borders – not biology. Nomadic people are called tribes. Words have meaning.

    The Jews are all about destroying language and causing endless intellectual chaos that hides their cultural sins against humanity. That is Hazony’s goal – not to enlighten – but to confuse.

    Clearly Hazony’s stances on nationalism and Israel are confusing.

    Think Peace — Art

  121. @Bardon Kaldian

    Moslems are the worse bunch of buttboys on the planet. It’s normal for Moslem men and boys to bugger younger boys and men. The hope is that they leave the girls alone. As long as a man married and has kids, only the most ardent fundamentalist will object if he keeps a whole harem of boys.

    Truth faith, blah!

    Moslems are, for the most part, inbred semi-morons. Ancient Egyptians built the pyramids and Sphinx. Their modern-day descendent are hardpressed to remember to change the oil in their foreign-made cars. The Gulf countries depend on the saner and more intelligent East Asians and Whites to keep the oil pumping.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Colin Wright
  122. Hossein says:

    Zionism and nationalism are 2 different matters. One ,Zionism, is a colonial and racist project that is basically a part of old and reactionary European colonial and imperialist projects.

    The other, true nationalism, such as revolutionary nationalism in Africa and Middle East that fought against colonialism and imperialism is an honorable idea that freed millions from the yoke of colonial imperialist powers. Gemal AbdelNasser and Kwame Nekrume and Algerian nationalist Ahmed Ben Bela are a great example. Considering murderous scums like Menachem begin and Ben Gurion and other fascist Zionist Jews is an insult to honorable nationalists.

    A true American or European nationalist trying to preserve and saving their culture and identity must not be fooled by forces such as evil Zionists whose only intention is to sabotage and influence western societies and rotting them to the core.

    • Replies: @Wally
  123. @AaronB

    ‘…Probably because the position we see on this site is so insane and extreme, that Israel is racist and that Judaism is racist.’

    ? Let’s parse this. First you state that a position is ‘insane and extreme,’ then you refer to the propositions that ‘ Israel is racist and that Judaism is racist.’

    ‘Israel’ is necessarily racist. Absent racism, the state would be meaningless. Go ahead; establish an open ‘right of return.’ Let me know how things play out.

    ‘Judaism is racist’ is a little better. I happen to think that it is; but as an abstract proposition, a religion could be non-racist.

    Of course, a ‘non-racist’ Judaism would be pretty hard to distinguish from Islam, wouldn’t it? I mean, all you’ve really got is one extra prophet between you and…what? Race pollution?

    So go for it. Have your nice, non-racist Israel, and non-racist Judaism. Wake me up when you can explain to me why this isn’t a Palestine, free from the river to the sea.

  124. Dmitry says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Yes, tens of thousands of Indian Israelis are living Southern Israel, particularly in cities like Ashdod.

    There’s even a “Miss India” competition in Ashdod.

    Racially Israeli-Jewish Indians do not appear different from Hindu and Muslim Indians.

    They dance the same as Hindus.

    Just religious costume is different from a Hindu one

  125. MikeP says:
    @Professional Stranger

    This is nonesense.

    The term “race” means lineage. And Jews have always concepturalized themselves as a lineage. They are the race or lineage of Shen and specifically the seed of Abraham.

    This is constantly repeated in the Bible. Indeed, in the New Testament the other Jews tell Jesus that they are the seed of Abraham.

    Granted, they are a somewhat outbred lineage. But they are still largely geneologically defined.

    Thus they are a race in the classic sense, a lineage or succession of individuals.

    And in being so, they are exclusive. Of course, some can join through marrage, but then some could also become honorary Aryans in the Third Reich.

  126. MikeP says:
    @Professional Stranger

    “The Jews” are a nation, not a race. The Torah says
    Exodus 19:6 “an holy nation( גּוֹי goy)..the children of Israel. ” The Jewish nation referred to as “goy”

    Nice try, Schlomo. But the classic understanding of “nation” was “race” in the non-technical sense:

    “c. 1300, nacioun, “a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language,” from Old French nacion “birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland” (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) “birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe,” literally “that which has been born,” from natus, past participle of nasci “be born” (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- “give birth, beget,” with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.”

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  127. Wally says:

    “The other, true nationalism, such as revolutionary nationalism in Africa and Middle East that fought against colonialism and imperialism is an honorable idea that freed millions from the yoke of colonial imperialist powers.”

    Yeah boy, “freed millions” who are worse off because of it.

    “A true American or European nationalist trying to preserve and saving their culture and identity must not be fooled by forces such as evil Zionists whose only intention is to sabotage and influence western societies and rotting them to the core.”

    I agree & oh so obvious.

  128. MORE…
    80 More Ethiopian Jews Arrive in Israel – March 8, 2019

    “The Jews” are a NATION, not a RACE. Judaism is the NATIONAL RELIGION.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @MikeP
  129. @Dmitry

    Very interesting Dimitri! I took a copy of your post including to 2 links.

    I don’t want to drift too far off topic, but just while we are we are here. There is agreement between the Hindu principle of detachment and the Jewish Tanakh Jeremiah 9:22_23: “Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, nor let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches; But let him who glories glory in this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the Lord.”

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Colin Wright
  130. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    America can be a multicultural multinational country like Israel provided-

    1 America allows Jerry Falwell to define Christianity
    2 Jerry Falwell’ Christianity gets the right to baptize,to conduct marriage ,to certify what is approved and what is not approved on 25th dec and to declare if the contenders for government offices are Christian by the standard of Fakwles’ ministry
    3 If Falwell can move court to get the policy it needs to be in place approved
    4 School colleges universities military and intelligence follow the definition and the action -plan approved by Falwell in choosing the students ,employees and candidates for leadership position
    5 If Falwells makes exception for a few Congressman and women and for some Senate sets for other Christian who owns have much say excepting screaming at the injustice at best
    6 If Equal Housing Act and Equal Employment opportunities its are destroyed by Falwell.
    7 If tax money is diverted away from other religious groups to Falwell approved organizations and scheme
    8 If Falwells can advise military how to conduct the killing in the battle field.
    9 If Falwell can counter other religious groups as unchristian in other countries .
    10 If falwell can bring incarceration back to the table for thsioe guilty of questioning g and criticizing and undermining g the objectives of Falwell.

  131. anon[588] • Disclaimer says:
    @Professional Stranger

    There were voices of reasons in times of genocdak war against Native Indian , Against the wars against Phillipne , against Iraq war and against Trump’s move regarding Israel .

    But they don’t represent American values or visions or positions .

  132. Art says:

    Probably because the position we see on this site is so insane and extreme, that Israel is racist and that Judaism is racist.

    Only if the whole world could see what we see on UR — the truth about Israel and Jews and wars.

    So AaronB – I see how this works – if one Jew in the world is not racist – then anyone who says Jews are racist is an anti-Semite – Right!

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  133. Anon[588] • Disclaimer says:

    Are you describing your self and your family ?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  134. @MikeP

    You are playing insults and semantics, but the fact remains:

    The Jewish nation has a long history of accepting immigrants, and it shows (see pictures earlier).

    [But first we must understand that throughout Jewish history, the religious hierarchy was the only national institution, so naturally immigration was handled by them. And this is why immigration into the nation is hard to distinguish from conversion to the national religion, as a stand-alone process.]

    Examples of immigration/conversion:
    Ruth 1:16. “wherever you go I will go, wherever you lodge I will lodge; your people shall be my people and your God shall be my God.”

    Joshua 6 25. “And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father’s household, and all that she had; and she lives in Israel even to this day; because she hid the messengers, whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.”

    Leviticus 24:22. “You shall have one manner of law, as well for the proselyte as for the home_born. One law shall there be for you and for the convert”

    Deuteronomy 1:16. ” And thou shalt judge righteously between man and his brothers and the convert…”

    If accepting immigrants produced a pure race, then an Angus cattle breeder should not be faulted for introducing a few Holsteins!

    BTW: The so-called “Cohen gene” shows up all over Europe and the Middle-East, but with the highest frequency among Turks. Which supports Ashkenazi Jews Southern-Russian/Turkic/Khazarian origin, not Arabic origin. [[KHAZARIA.COM Resource for Turkic and Jewish History in Russia and Ukraine]]

    • Replies: @MikeP
  135. @Professional Stranger

    ‘…“The Jews” are a NATION, not a RACE. Judaism is the NATIONAL RELIGION.’

    That would be why you seek so hard to make converts from among the Palestinians.

    If they would just adopt Judaism…

    • Replies: @Lot
  136. @Anon

    ‘Are you describing your self and your family ?’

    He did seem to be getting kind of aroused.

  137. anon[588] • Disclaimer says:

    @ Probably because the position we see on this site is so insane and extreme, that Israel is racist and that Judaism is racist.“


    “Writing in the New York Times, Israeli UN Ambassador says Palestinian surrender and ‘national suicide’ is needed for peace”

  138. @Professional Stranger

    ‘Very interesting Dimitri! I took a copy of your post including to 2 links…’

    Definitely Zionists. This is a patented trick of theirs. They start ostentatiously applauding and agreeing with each other. It creates an effect of consensus.

  139. MikeP says:
    @Professional Stranger

    This just proves the point, Schlomo.

    Unlike the African migrants sent to detention camps in the Sinai desert, Beta Israel was allowed in because of a claim of lineage:

    “Reflecting the consistent assertions made by Ethiopian Jews they dealt with or knew of, and after due investigation of their claims and their own Jewish behaviour, a number of Jewish legal authorities, in previous centuries and in modern times, have ruled halakhically (according to Jewish legal code) that the Beta Israel are indeed Jews, the descendants of the tribe of Dan, one of the Ten Lost Tribes.[52] ”

    But thank you for reminding us that Judiasm is based on race (lineage).

  140. Wally says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    There you go again, you said:

    “Finally, the Holocaust survivors only ‘had’ to go to Israel because the Zionists themselves made sure they had no choice. When the Second World War ended, and it became clear that the Jews who had survived the Holocaust couldn’t simply go back to their homes, well-meaning figures in Britain and the United States came up with a fine, generous, definitive solution.”

    – You’ve just given further proof that the “holocaust” narrative is fraudulent.

    There cannot be so many called “survivors” when the narrative says ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on.’

    – You’ve also outlined one of the prime reasons Jews contrived the fake & impossible “holocaust” in the first place, to enable the seizure of Palestinian land to make ‘Israel’.

  141. MikeP says:
    @Professional Stranger

    You are playing semantics, not I.

    The fact that jews generally assess race (lineage) not on overall genetic similarity but on uniparental lineage is irrelevant given Yoram Hazony’s argument with regards to nationalism.

    It is like saying the Cherokee nationhood is OK because they allow, but would prefer not to have, Blacks with some claim of Cherokee ancestry, but White nationhood is BAD because REASONS.

    They are both exclusive and the exclusion in both cases is based on lineage.

  142. Art says:

    there is no justification for the high crime situation in America, which Americans always say is related to their multiculturalism.

    In America the Jew run the MSM, they are always poking the eye of minorities, exacerbating racism, hate, and crime.

    Only if the Jackbooted Jews are removed from the media can things improve in America.

    America must own America – not some mendacious foreign tribe of professional malcontents.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  143. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    “Yet [Palestinian Chief Negotiator] Mr. Erekat and the Palestinian leadership choose to stay the course and reject the term “surrender.” In doing so, they expose the uncomfortable truth about the Palestinian national identity: It is motivated not by building a better life for its people but by destroying Israe”— Danon

    Only if Hitler had a bible thumping ultra nationalist person as a spokesman like Danon

  144. Anonymous [AKA "HeyZus"] says:

    Sometimes I get confused. American intellectuals? Are you kidding or do you want me to play it straight? Take seriously the kinda stuff you guys take for given? Or should I just forgive you for being born and bred in the past and unable to look at the future?
    Bin weeks since I been here and it looks a lot the same – carp fish flying out of the water, goin’ nowhere.
    Don’t know if any famous American intellectual or singer or poet has said this before but here are the lyrics:

    read the news today, looks a lot like yesterday
    people play the same old strings, on the same old boring things
    Don’t matter, Things are so far down the rabbit hole
    That it don’t make a damn bit of difference.
    What do you WANT?
    Okay, you want the Elvis clock?
    By a funny stroke of circumstance I found a grandfather clock down at the dump the other day.
    It spoke to me, “I am Elvis! Take this one and only Elvis clock and share it with you friends! Pray to me for peace and bid heavy on the clock on ebay. All will be forgiven.”
    That my friend is the truth of history.
    You wanna buy a guitar? With Elvis’s name on it? Okay. Phone me.
    You want the Elvis clock? Look for it on ebay. You could be the lucky bidder.
    You want a perfectly good microvave oven I also found at the dump and fixed? 50 bucks for my time.
    A gamer computer with one terrabyte hard drive and 2 gigs of ram expandable to 8 gigs and huge motherboard capacity, also found at the dump and fixed? 200 bucks for my time, plus shipping.
    Don’t buy it, It has all the capacity I need for the forseeable future which may not be that long.
    Am I crazy who just wants to get along or are they crazy who just want to make megabucks on a non-existant future?
    I have honestly never seen anything as crazy as the future which is being sold to us, including the past which was also sold to us. Nuts.

  145. This issue can best be described as “Schrodinger’s Jew” (I wish I had originally thought of that, but oh well). In the long history of Jews’ interaction with goys, the Jews have been able to have it both ways, indeed all ways, no matter what the situation.

    When the Jew wants to assert himself one way, he insists on using a definition of Jewry that will give him the advantage. But later on, in some other place and some other situation, he will turn around and define himself in precisely another way, so as to again give himself the upper hand against the goyim.

    It’s all situational ethics, supported by the shifting sands of subjective semantic definitions.

    In other words, it’s a pack of lies.

  146. J says: • Website

    Are you disputing that in 1947 five Arab armies tried to invade nascent Israel and destroy it? And the Egyptian army’s invasions? Amazing what anti-Jewish hate can do to otherwise perfectly rational people.

  147. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘For most of America’s history Americans have been racist supremacists, but they have never been White nationalist’

    Oh goodness we are not arguing in good faith here are we?

    Your previous comment was a piss poor attempt at deconstructing American identity (an identity which was always about defining America as a country for Whites) along the Jewish model.

    To reiterate every American president up to and including Kennedy wanted America to be White so that by the standards of White nationalists (who are separatists although you would call them supremacists) they would have advocated for a White ethnostate. Abraham Lincoln wanted blacks to go back to Africa. Andrew Jackson thought it would be criminal to leave the west to Indians who he called ‘a bunch of squalid savages’.

    America before the 1965 immigration act (whose main sponser later said he did not realise how the bill would be used to change the demographic balance of America) was 90 percent White and even presidents after Kennedy (e.g) Reagan campaigned on an (insincere) promise to end immigration.

  148. neutral says:

    If you are pro white then you must support the elimination of Israel. Israel is financial drain and a political drain (as in the politicians spend most of their time worrying about Israel). One practical step we can take is to donate money to organizations that want more blacks to move into Israel, the more the jews mix with lower IQ people, the better for us.

  149. Anonymous [AKA "Hugh_Heaven"] says:


    Jacob whose name was changed to Israel had 12 sons whose descendants became the 12 tribes of Israel. In 722 BC …

    Really? lol.

  150. @Truth3

    … their female’s unattractiveness.

    Depends on how much you like large breasts

  151. @Anonymous

    The US was an explicit ethnostate until perhaps 1963. They retroactively revoked the citizenship of thousands of dot Indians in the 1920s because the Supreme Court declared they weren’t white.

  152. Time to revisit Shlomo Sand!
    Israeli Wins French Prize for Book Questioning Origins of Jewish People:
    Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University is the author of
    “The Invention of the Jewish People”

    REVIEW OF THE BOOK by Gilad Atzmon – 2009

    Though most contemporary Jews are utterly convinced that their ancestors are the Biblical Israelites who happened to be exiled brutally by the Romans, truth must be said. Contemporary Jews have nothing to do with ancient Israelites, who have never been sent to exile because such an expulsion has never taken place. The Roman Exile is just another Jewish myth.

    But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents.

    One may wonder, if the Palestinians are the real Jews, who are those who insist upon calling themselves Jews? Sand’s answer is rather simple, yet it makes a lot of sense.

    “The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others.”(13)

  153. @Anon

    the Mishanic Scale of Lineages

    There is an overview here:
    Talmud – Mas. Horayoth 13a:

    And this book goes into it in more detail
    BOOK: “Jewish Identity in Early Rabbinic Writings”
    By Sacha Stern

    But you can browse some of the more relevant parts of the book here:

    Jews are so xenophobic that the Rabbinical court frequently reverses earnest conversions and applies a cultural barrier to converts (the Mishanic Scale of Lineages) that effectively ostracizes them and their descendants indefinitely.

    Well it’s more due to “class-consciousness” than “xenophobia”, but those incidents do occur. Here is an example:
    “Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen” – Amiram Barkat 18.02.2005
    Irina Plotnikov cannot marry the man she loves, Shmuel Cohen, even though she is Jewish according to halakha (Jewish religious law). A rabbinic court in Jerusalem ruled recently that even though Plotnikov is Jewish, she is not eligible to marry a Cohen since her father is not Jewish. According to Jewish tradition, people with the surname Cohen are descendants of the priests that served in the Temple in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

    The couple were shocked by the court’s verdict. “None of the rabbis had told us there might be a problem,” Plotnikov says.]]
    … that is an example of a refusal to start a marriage, and examples exist too, where courts have reversed existing marriages,

    The Mishnaic Scale of Lineages is quite openly and clearly a formal racial barrier to inclusion in the Jewish group.

    It is a barrier to social-class upward mobility. Such barriers exist in most Euro nations too, for example, even if not well documented. However such barriers haves been totally ineffective as national racial barriers.

    And the relevant point to this discussion is: in the case of the Jewish nation, such social barriers haves been totally ineffective as national racial barrier, too.

    Lineage is a social thing, race is a biological thing.

    • Replies: @MikeP
    , @Anon
  154. annamaria says:

    “…a war between Jews and Muslims – it has probably the more negative effect.”

    — You still do not get it, don’t you?
    “Israeli missile strikes on Damascus & Homs kill 4 civilians, including toddler”
    Comment section:

    Yep – they (Israel) have to show the American Taxpayers how its $363 billion dollars in US Foreign Aid it receives every year from the US Taxpayers are being spent.

    Your holohoax museums are embarrassing. Your extraction scheme for holohoax “survivors” is more than disgusting.
    More from the Comment section:

    They dont hide their land ambitions. The 2 blue stripes on the israeli flag represents the Nile and Euphrates. The land in between is what they call The great israel.

    The ongoing slaughter of civilians in the Middle East is a joint project of the zionists and US military industrial complex. See PNAC and Yinon Plan for Eretz Israel. There is no way the Jews will be able, ever, to wash off the blood of the innocent. Add to that the intentional radicalization of Islam, courtesy of the American/ Israel-firsters’ scheming.

  155. annamaria says:

    Poor “Anon 926.” She does not even have a name when mongering her insults towards anyone criticizing the Jewish State. Both you and Lot prefer do not touch the main point — the supremacist nature of the Jewish State.

    Jews cannot be peaceful even with their own kind:
    “Ultra-Orthodox Protesters Shatter Bus Windows After Female Passenger Refuses to Sit in Back”
    “In certain neighborhoods, there are separate streets, separate sidewalks. The complete erasure of women and girls is increasing. Even in Haredi comic books for children.”

    And here are the morsels of information about treatment of non-Jews by Israelis:

    Christians in Jerusalem’s Old City under threat from settlers. Church leaders claim priests are being verbally abused and spat at while property is being vandalised in ancient walled city.

    Before the announcement made by US President Donald Trump that the US embassy would move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, 13 church leaders from the city sent him a letter, in which they warned that such a decision would “yield increased hatred, conflict, violence and suffering in Jerusalem and the Holy Land, moving us farther from the goal of unity and deeper toward destructive division.”

    — And it did.

    Your Jewish state is a farce. Your holohoax museums are an embarrassment in the context of the ongoing slaughter of civilians in the Middle East for the Eretz Israel.

  156. “there is no justification for the high crime situation in America, which Americans always say is related to their multiculturalism.”

    At the risk of initiating hair pulling and accusations of being a liberal, I have to reject the notion that crime in the US is high. When we use the term “high crime” it is relation to various locations that have lower crime rates and even in those areas, usually crime is rare compared to the populations.

    I am not minimizing crime. But the term has been used to fuel emotional support of a condition in our society that is out of proportion to reality. You won’r even find a statistical indicator for what constitutes “high”.

  157. MikeP says:
    @Professional Stranger

    “Lineage is a social thing, race is a biological thing.”

    How is lineage = descent not a biological thing? Isn’t evolutionary theory based on “descent with modification”?

    And how can “lineage” be so different from “race” given the well-know etymology of the term?

    “”people of common descent,” a word from the 16th century, from Middle French race, earlier razza “race, breed, lineage, family” (16c.)

    Just stop, Schlomo. Just stop.

  158. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Assimilation means outmarriage.”

    COULD mean. You are conveniently ignoring how socioeconomic status and educational achievement plays an integral role in determining whether or not immigrants will engage in that process.

    “Thus, peoples originating within the Hajnal lines tend to be assimilable.”

    All people are assimilable.

    “As the line extends further out, assimilation gets harder–the groups just evolved completely differently.”

    Actually, nature and nurture both play in important role.

    “Persians are very competitive in the sexual marketplace; Meso-Americans, not so much.”

    According to Who/Whom?

  159. @Parsnipitous

    You don’t get it. See, only a Jewish neocon can be counted as an American conservative, even if he isn’t an American. A few faux-Christian nutjobs are allowed to hang around and empty the slop jars, but only if they swear undying enmity to those Americans who still count themselves as what is now referred to as “Paleoconservatives” whose political philosophy is what was known as Conservativism before the neocons invented themselves and assumed the mantle of conservatism.

    It’s really pretty simple once you see the big picture.

    • Agree: Parsnipitous
    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
  160. Antipropo says:

    No I’m afraid the author is seriously confused. Adeherents to a set of religious beliefs cannot be an ethnic or racial group. Being catholic doesn’t make you Italian, being a Bhuddist doesn’t make you Indian. Also, I can convert to Judaism despite my ancestry being solidly Celtic. I cannot however convert to Samoanism and become Samoan. Perhaps a read-it’s not an easy read, lots of footnotes and bibliography- The Invention of The Jewish People by Shlomo Sand a Jewish Israeli professor of history. If Jews are a race how to explain Mizrahi,distinctly black Jews from Africa and Askenazi Jews, converts from the Khazar region of Central Europe? It’s the cognitive dissonance of Jewish Israelis that underlies their fanatical belief that they ARE a distinct, unique racial group which permits them to drive out or treat as lesser people in historic Palestine. It’s not hard by the way to find information about how badly black Jews are treated in Israel, nor is it at all controversial that the flood of Russians into Israel, over a million, had to be “Judaised” because, well because they weren’t Jews.

  161. Comment 128 MikeP says: @Professional Stranger: “Schlomo”.
    Comment 143 MikeP says: @Professional Stranger: “Schlomo”.
    Comment 162 MikeP says: @Professional Stranger: “Schlomo”.

    Comment 137 Professional Stranger says @MikeP: “insults”

    Comment * Professional Stranger says: “MikeP iggied”

  162. Antipropo says:

    Yeah your basic problem there is that law is designed to permanently denote the 20% of Israel’s population who are umm, not Jewish as “other” or lesser people; as if all the other laws didn’t already discriminate against the “”others”.

  163. Antipropo says:

    “Indians Weak immune system”!!! that’s an obtuse way of glossing over the deliberate exposure of Native American people to smallpox and measles. Was it their “weak immune system” that allowed the 5th Cavalry to kill hundreds at Wounded Knee?

  164. Antipropo says:

    Really just go away. By the time your “neighbors” entered the Jewish part of Palestine your terrorist groups, following Plan Dalet had riven out hundreds of thousands of the native Palestinians, raping and killing,looting, destroying entire towns and villages sometimes blowing up houses with the family inside. Your lot started the June 67 war with a sneak attack on the Egyptian Air Force. Even the ’73 war was not an invasion by fanatical Arabs but designed to regain territory seized by Israel in the Golan and Sinai in ’67. Its ISRAEL which repeatedly attacks, invades and occupies its “neighbors” not the other way round.

  165. anarchyst says:

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society.

    If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more. As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”.

    Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.

    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    Jews also lack a moral component which tempers evil in every other culture and society. Jews are proud when they are able to take advantage of others of lesser means—especially those who are not jews.

    Getting away with murder, theft, and other crimes against the “goy” is a critical part of the jewish psyche and is never tempered by guilt.

    At the same time, jews pushed the concept of racial “equality”, (but only for gentile whites), backing it up with “civil-rights” and “equal accommodation” laws which are enforced by governments–but only against whites. These “civil-rights” laws are used as a “battering ram” against gentile whites to diffuse and fragment any semblance of gentile white solidarity and cohesiveness that may arise.

    A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.

    Increasingly, jews are more wary of being “called out” and recognized as “jews”. One can call a jew a shyster, shylock, bankster, criminal or ne-er-do-well, and it will roll off his back like water off a duck, BUT call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

    • Agree: Truth3
  166. @annamaria

    “There are words that fit a description of the situation: discrimination, supremacism, religious/ethnic fanaticism.”

    True, and there’s also a very apt phrase: “Shitty little country”. That’s the one I prefer.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  167. @Sean McBride

    You’re confusing disagreement with refutation.

  168. Lot says:

    “with demonstrated racial bias ”

    Demonstrated where?

  169. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sorry, but the Tribe has standards.



    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  170. To paraphrase Hitler: cucked Western males are our misfortune.

    That the WASP Brimelow will OSCULUM INFAME Hazony’s Jooooo tuchus shows how degenerate the Western male is. Brimelow should be leading the fight to get rid of dual citizenship. This would take care of the Jewish problem in America.

    Present day Jews are miscegenated and their religion has nothing to do with the Old Testament. They have no connection with the Jews of the Old Testament or when Jesus lived. They are not a Western people. Hazony cannot be in any Western organizations. He is not a Western male.

    If these “Jews” want to be Jewish, they must be Jewish in Israel.

    Until we get the cucked Western male to grow a pair, we will be dealing with nonsense like this.

  171. @Lot

    Sorry, but the tribe has standards…’

    That one’s so easy to take down I don’t even feel like bothering.

    Take as seen a dozen photos of spectacularly ugly Jewesses.

    …the sort only a black man would fuck. Thank God for Black men, right, Lot?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Vojkan
  172. On Israel as the great non-racist paradise, this one’s fun…

    ‘Hundreds Protest Police Shooting of Ethiopian Israeli Teen
    Demonstrators hurl burning tires and block roads in protest over the death of 18-year-old Solomon Teka…’

    Yep. Pretty non-racial. Shall we go into the attempts of the Jewish health services to dose Ethiopian ‘Jewesses’ with contraceptives?

    They just wuv their invented darkies. It comes out all over the place.

  173. @Twodees Partain

    Wow, my “Agree” button worked. Not to belabor the point too much – and of course I understand your post, but why — in a normal intellectual exchange — is this even worth mentioning?

    The guy is ISRAELI. Let him conduct business there. Americans habitually put up with hundreds of not even Jews, but actual Israeli citizens in high government posts and other prominent positions.

    This is not hard to grasp (Americans supposedly being politically naive…). Nobody cares.

  174. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Take as seen a dozen photos of spectacularly ugly Jewesses.”

  175. Vojkan says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Besides Madagascar, Argentinian Patagonia was also taken into consideration. I have nothing against Argentinians but just think of how better this world would have been if they had settled in Patagonia. That said, I personally find the planet Mars ideal for them to colonise as they would be able to exercise their skills in turning a desert into Eden as much as they wish without stealing other people’s land and destroying their homes. That certainly would silence their critics.

  176. Vojkan says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I’m a bit more violent, I call Israel a “purulent wart” on the map of the world.

  177. @Lot

    Walking caricatures, all of them, and look at the nose of the kissing bride in the lower picture. Here is another Jewish “beauty” (Rachel Abrams, wife of Elliott Abrams) :

    Ugly Yahweh has “chosen” an ugly people (to do ugly things in the world).

  178. Vojkan says:
    @Colin Wright

    To be true, though there are some ugly specimens among them, as in any other ethnic group, from a purely aesthetic outlook, there are Jewesses I find rather pretty, Nathalie Portman or Rachel Weisz or Jennifer Connelly come to mind. Again, by aesthetic criteria only, the men are usually far harder to look in the face than the women. Think Woody Allen, you just desperately want to look elsewhere.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  179. Vojkan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Posting such pictures is imho pure sadism. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it and that’s cruel.

  180. With blacks, everything sucks. Always….

    They can say what they want,but races are not meant to live together.

    Ethiopian-Israeli protesters block junctions across country over police killing

  181. Lot says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I bet you’re typing that with one hand.

    There are enough antisemites with the Jew girl fetish there’s an 8-chan forum entirely devoted to it. And some guy who gives new meaning to love/hate must have spent thousands of hours on this site:

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  182. @Lot

    The site seductivejewess has only vulgar-sensual Jewesses on it with no really beautiful ones. Why beautiful Jews don’t exist can be understood when you understand the meaning of the ancient Greek expression καλὸς κἀγαθός.

    In parting, her is a real “seductive” Jewess for you :

    Notice the extreme (almost diabolical) vulgarity of this face.

  183. annamaria says:

    Israeli idiots in Venezuela:

    A new coup d’etat was attempted on 24 June in Venezuela. …it was directed both against the administration of Nicolás Maduro and his pro-US opponent Juan Guaidó. Furthermore, according to the recordings of the conversations between the conspirators, it was supervised by the Israëlis. …

    … unlike the previous attempts, this conspiracy had been observed for 14 months by a unit of Military Intelligence which had been trained by Cuban Intelligence. During this whole period, the Venezuelans had penetrated the group and monitored their audio and video communications. As a result, they now have 56 hours of recordings which compose a wealth of irrefutable proof.

    … the United States prefer vassal governments to equals are currently overtaken by transnational financial capitalism. This is the meaning of the Rumsfeld/Cebrowski military doctrine, operational since 2001, which has already devastated the Greater Middle East and is now crashing down on the Caribbean Basin.

    ZUSA cannibals in action

  184. Avigail Alfatov (Hebrew: אביגיל אלפטוב‎; born 28 February 1996) is an Israeli national fencing champion, soldier, model and beauty pageant titleholder. Alfatov was crowned 1st runner up in Miss Israel 2015. She represented Israel at the Miss Universe 2015 pageant.

  185. aandrews says:

    The cat was let out of the bag, in an article I was reading at Drudge just now, “Amazon removes controversial books by ‘father of conversion therapy’”, which stated towards the end, “While the church ultimately canceled the event, the books remained available for purchase on Wordery, an online bookseller….” Wordery, hmmm. I wonder if…. And, yes, Culture of Critique is offered for sale there as well as recent issues of the Occidental Quarterly (!). I wonder what other badthink material is available at this online bookstore?

  186. @Lot

    6th from the left looks like the female version of the Schlomo from the hand rubbing meme

  187. @Vojkan

    Jennifer Connelly

    Talk about low standards.

  188. @Professional Stranger

    This is a typical example of Jewish “gene theft”. They improved their race by absorbing some goodlooking Gentiles into their tribe. Originally all Jews looked like Mizrahi (“Oriental”) Jews look like today , i.e. like Arabs. Does this woman look like an Arab?

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  189. Ahoy says:

    @ Franklin Ryckaert

    Excellent comment! It not only projects knowledge but mathematical perception also.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  190. @Ahoy

    Here is a picture of Iraqi Jews. These Jews are descendants of the Jews from the Kingdom of Juda who were exiled by the Babylonians in 597 BC to Babylon but did not return to Juda under Ezra some 60 years later. You can be sure these people have retained the physical characteristics of the original Jews :

    Now compare that with the picture of that blond lady and draw your own conclusions.

    • Replies: @buzzwar
  191. Tzipni Livni is getting older now too, but she was still quite attractive well into her 40s

  192. @Franklin Ryckaert

    This guy is just making fun of elderly women.

    “I misspelled Tzipi”

  193. eah says:

  194. @Lot

    The anti-Semite suppressd the caption on that picture ..CAPTION: Ultra-orthodox (haredi) web designers utilize Webydo’s website-creation software (Photo by Leon Grin)
    ORIGINAL here:

    These ladies are techies – web designers, not beauty-pageant contestants. But check out their peers. This is an assortment of female web designers from around the world,…0.0..4794…0.0..0.0.0…….0……gws-wiz-img.H7Z-PkVli2I
    .. and you can easily see that the Israeli girls are in the top half of their class.

  195. @Franklin Ryckaert

    This is a typical example of Jewish “gene theft”. They improved their race by absorbing some goodlooking Gentiles into their tribe.

    What shit! Siblings and cousing interbreeding for centuries, first causes physical and mental defectives, then extinction of the group. Outbreeding is healthy, and inbreeding not. Moses warned in..
    Leviticus 18:16 “None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
    The Jewish nation has always welcomed immigrants. The book of Ruth is about an immigrant into the nation. And there are several passages mandating equal right for immigrants, which I quoted in an earlier comment. ● outbreeding = “hybrid vigor” _ The increased vigor or general health, resistance to disease, and other superior qualities that are often manifested in hybrid organisms, especially plants and animals. Compare inbreeding depression. ● “inbreeding depression” _ The loss of vigor and general health that sometimes characterizes organisms that are the product of inbreeding. Compare hybrid vigor.

    Originally all Jews looked like Mizrahi (“Oriental”) Jews look like today , i.e. like Arabs. Does this woman look like an Arab?

    Even in olden days, King David and Esau both had red hair..
    From Genesis 25:25 we read in JPS “And the first came forth ruddy[red] all over like a hairy mantle, and they called his name Esau.” And HaShem said, ‘Arise, anoint him; for this is he’”.

    The word ruddy is a translation of the Hebrew word Admoni, which means red in reference to hair.

    We also have in JPS 1 Samuel 17:42 “And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him; for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and withal of a fair countenance.” ___ [ruddy אַדְמֹנִי (‘admoniy) red]

    _______ articles are generally constructive criticism of things Jewish. But this thread has now degenerated into mindless Jew bashing.

    • Replies: @anon
  196. eah says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Since ‘Lot’ posted the foto, I assume you’re calling him an “anti-Semite” — why is he an “anti-Semite”?

    Believe it or not, it’s mostly an honest question.

    Is he an “anti-Semite” because in response to the (perhaps rhetorical) sentence “Take as seen a dozen photos of spectacularly ugly Jewesses”, he posted a foto of a group of relatively unattractive (most of them anyway; that’s just my opinion) Jewish women? — (OK, I guess he did implicitly say they are very unattractive: “spectacularly ugly”) — he’s not even the one who used the word “Jewesses”, which you may regard as disrespectful; someone else did.

    Jews have overused “anti-Semite” to the point it means little, eg like calling someone a racist — to paraphrase (I believe Joe Sobran): ‘An anti-Semite used to be someone who disliked Jews, now it’s someone the Jews don’t like’ (I would add: for any reason, or want to smear for any reason, often not a very good reason) — you may want to make a note of that.

    (Übrigens: Starting from the right, the 2nd and 4th women are fairly nice looking — but again that’s just my opinion.)

    • Replies: @eah
  197. anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Was this the reason Rothchilds were marrying their nieces and cousins ?

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  198. eah says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Some questions are more difficult to answer than others I suppose.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  199. @eah

    Stranger: interbreeding for centuries, first causes physical and mental defectives, then extinction of the group. Outbreeding is healthy, and inbreeding not.

    Anon(325): Was this the reason Rothchilds were marrying their nieces and cousins ?

    Stranger: Inbreeding birth defects…0.0..……0….1..gws-wiz-img.i2WJUPob4jg#imgrc=FGPg21QFEn2zwM:

    Anon(325): Some questions are more difficult to answer than others I suppose.

    Blind: Right! STUPID questions meant to imply “the exception disproves the rule”, are hard to take seriously. Especially with no proof that the example is indeed an exception.

    [[The Habsburg Jaw And The Cost Of Royal Inbreeding
    … the Habsburg jaw and the debilitating costs of rampant, decades-long incest among Europe’s most powerful royal families.]]

    [[In Europe, the House of Habsburg famously possessed the mandibular prognathism of the Habsburger (Unter) Lippe (otherwise known as the ‘Habsburg jaw’, ‘Habsburg lip’ or ‘Austrian lip’”). This was typical for many Habsburg relatives over a period of six centuries.

    Due to multiple consanguineous marriages within the family, the condition progressed through the generations until the last Spanish Habsburg, Charles II of Spain (1661-1700), could not properly chew his food. Charles II had a large number of genetic, physical, intellectual, sexual, and emotional problems. His inbreeding coefficient was 0.254, equivalent to the offspring of brother–sister incest. His impotence/infertility led to the extinction of the (male) Spanish Habsburgs upon his death, triggering the War of the Spanish Succession, resulting in Spain’s rule by the French House of Bourbon.]]

    • Replies: @eah
  200. eah says:
    @Professional Stranger

    I was referring to the question I asked: …why is he an “anti-Semite”? — which you didn’t answer.

    No idea who you think “Anon(325)” is.

    You seem a little obtuse.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  201. @eah

    eah: I was referring to the question I asked: …why is he an “anti-Semite”?

    Strangers: People here are not restricted to comment on the own comments. If they don’t specify which comment they are referring to, by default it is assumed to be the most recent one.
    If this is not the case, always specify which comment you are referring to, or just repeat the text. Never assume other people can read your mind.

    eah: You seem a little obtuse.

    Stranger: Ad-hominem nonsense. Iggy.

    • Replies: @eah
  202. eah says:
    @Professional Stranger

    If they don’t specify which comment they are referring to,…

    “LOL” — read comment #203, then answer the question: …why is he an “anti-Semite”?

    Stranger: Ad-hominem nonsense.

    I’m just getting started, you stupid mother fucker.

  203. eah says:

    Jews working overtime to destroy their host country — but don’t criticize lest you be called an “anti-Semite”.

  204. annamaria says:
    @Professional Stranger

    “Both her parents were born in Ukraine…”
    — You are funny.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  205. @annamaria

    annamaria. Avigail Alfatov .. Both her parents were born in Ukraine.
    You are funny.

    Stranger. Ad-hominem response. If you disagree with something I said try to say why. Try to explain what it is you find funny, and what it implies. Perhaps: (1) Ukrainian Jews are not real Jews (2) Jews not born in Israel are not real Jews (3) Avigail personally, is not a Jew for some reason (4) Other.

    REMEMBER: Ashkenazi Jews (including Theo Herzl) were the driving force in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. There has never been a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister (not President) of Israel. Ashkenazis run the show in Israel, and constitute a large percentage of the Jewish population. And Ashkenazi means European ancestry (mostly Eastern European). If Israeli Ashkenazi Jews were not real Jews, the whole show would have to be cancelled.

    (1) Avigail Alfatov
    Both her parents were born in Ukraine

    (2) Benjamin Netanyahu
    “all his grandparents were born in the Russian Empire (now Belarus, Lithuania and Poland)”

    (3) Tzipi Livni whose picture I posted too. Her dad was born in Poland.

    (4) Millions more.

    ON THE OTHER HAND, Annamaria: You might just be being catty – jealous of Avigail because she is so beautiful, and famous!

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  206. @Professional Stranger

    Jews “are not racist”. Well actually all people are more or less “racist” in the sense that they prefer light skinned people above dark skinned people. And not only light skinned people have this preference, dark people have it also, perhaps even more so. Hence they try to “improve their race” by marrying lighter skinned people or at least try to “whiten” themselves by cosmetic means. Dark skinned people also have among themselves a “racial hiarchy” with light skinned people at the top and dark skinned people at the bothom. “Non-racism” is a recent artificial construct in which nobody really believes.

    Jews are human, therefore Jews are also racist. When the white Ashkenazis founded Israel and started to import brown Jews from the Arab world, they discriminated against them in terms of housing, education and jobs. When they imported black Jews from Ethiopia, they not only discriminated against them, they even tried to sterilize them by stealth. (Google: DepoProvera scandal Israel).

    With the coming of one million Russian Jews, Israel had the chance to “improve its race” by a generous immigration policy : immigrants from Russia did not need to be “full” Jews any more, having two or even one Jewish grandparent, not even only from the mothers side was enough. What is more : people with no Jewish background at all, but married to such persons were also allowed. That blond Israeli model may be the child of a quarter Jew and a non-Jew, i.e. she might be only 1/8 Jewish. Small wonder she doesn’t look Jewish at all.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  207. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Ryckeart: Wrongly quotes Stranger in COMMENT 213 as saying Jews “are not racist”, then rebuts it by slamming Ashkenazis.

    Stranger: Strawman! No-one (including myself) has mentioned [Jews “are not racist’] , in the thread so far. You are rebutting your own strawman.
    You have lost the thread of this discussion. Time for a recap!
    COMMENT 176: Colin Wright: [Take as seen a dozen photos of spectacularly “ugly Jewesses”.]

    COMMENT 178: Lot: Posts a pic supposedly supporting “ugly Jewesses.”

    COMMENT 189: Stranger: rebuts COMMENT 178 “ugly Jewesses” with example of “beautiful Jewesses” -Miss Israel 2015, Avigail Alfatov.

    193: Ryckeart: Rebuts 189 “beautiful Jewesses” with “this is a typical example of Jewish “gene theft”.

    201: Rebuts 193 “gene theft”, by arguing thar out-breeding is not any kind of theft but a biological necessity for all species. And supplies quotes from Jewish Law supporting out-breeding: supporting immigration, equal rights for immigrants; and a quote opposing in-breeding.

    212: Annamaria: rebuts 193 “ “beautiful Jewesses” by arguing that “Both her parents were born in Ukraine…” implying “Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews”.

    213: Stranger: rebuts 212 “Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews” by arguing
    ” Ashkenazi Jews (including Theo Herzl) were the driving force in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. There has never been a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister (not President) of Israel. Ashkenazis run the show in Israel, and constitute a large percentage of the Jewish population. And Ashkenazi means European ancestry (mostly Eastern European). If Israeli Ashkenazi Jews were not real Jews, the whole show would have to be cancelled.”

    214: Ryckaert: introduces a strawman [Jews “are not racist”] which no-one has mentioned in the thread so far, and then goes on to rebut his own strawman.

    214: Ryckaert: supports 212 Annamaria’s “Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews”. with “That blond Israeli model may be the child of a quarter Jew and a non-Jew, i.e. she might be only 1/8 Jewish. Small wonder she doesn’t look Jewish at all.” … already rebutted in 213.

  208. buzzwar says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    These jews look very much like the average iraqi moslem.

  209. Anounder says:

    Modern genetics discredits your babble. There are indeed separate races with seperate behaviors and abilities regardless of “nurture.”

  210. Bert says:

    Your argument with Roninf9 doesn’t have practical consequences, but just so you understand the thinking of some of us descended from the founding generations (plural because a lot of work was done before 1776) you should reflect on the eagerness with which immigrant Irish and Germans of the 1850s and early 1860s punished the Confederate States. Invaders of what the Southern white population legitimately believed was their sovereign nation can hardly expect, even after 160 years, to be deemed citizens of equal merit. Further, when the British were pursuing their “Southern Strategy” to try to hold on to at least some of the colonies, it was the Scots-Irish segment of the Carolina population that fought them tooth and nail and defeated them decisively. The German and Highland Scot communities in the Carolinas were either pro-Crown or stood aside. Descendants of those Ulstermen pioneers have reason to believe that their ancestors paid a price that no later immigrant group paid. The crucial distinction that Roninf9 is making is that there is a huge difference between immigrant and pioneer.

  211. 36 ulster says:

    While I respect and admire the legacy of our WASP (not to mention Scotch-Irish) Founding Fathers, THIS law-abiding Irishman is not overly impressed with the intellectual acumen of today’s WASPs, Jews, Orientals (Fr. Oriental–eastern) or other “betters.”

  212. Anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Professional Stranger

    What do your links in regard to my reference to the Mishnaic Scale of Lineage have to do with anything?

    You failed to summarize a relevant point, and I do not need whatever education you were implying that your are providing but demonstrably failing to do so.

    I love when you people fall prey to your outsized arrogance in regard to what you think that you and other people know, and look stupid as a result.

    Try to state something pertinent instead of engaging in high word-count salad that is attempting to give the impression of a point but is actually comprised of nothing.

    The Mischanic Scale of lineages holds that converts are not true Jews for over twenty generations, unreasonably long timelines being a common Rabbinical analogy for “forever” (the literal generational timeline being over 500 years until a convert’s lineage is accepted). That’s my context that you missed completely in our retarded attempt to post a rebuttal using incomplete information (typical of Jews).

    Lineage is a biological thing, per the matrilineal Jewish lineage requirement as well as the Jewish priesthood to give two examples pertinent to Jews. You deceptive waste of time and space.

    No one should entertain conversations with Jews going forward. These engagements are a form of hostile war for them, and therefore their words are both not to be trusted and meaningless. All that the Jew knows is physical punishment. Honesty is a foreign concept.

  213. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Individuals like that are not born of Jewish high Neanderthal admixture genetics (which define the Jewish genetic pool).

    Individuals like that are a result of Aryan genetic theft that should never occur should Jews rightfully stay in their own nation or quarantined territory. Those stolen genetics give a false impression of Jewish genetic fitness.

  214. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    The Greek model is pure biological racism. Ends in destruction. Unsustainable in the long run. Hostile to others.

    Really? So, how then did the Greeks become so mongrelized? Was that your group’s work?

    Off of the top of my head, insofar as Islam is unquestionably rooted in your group, then the political strength and resulting advance of the Islamic Turks through Anatolia is the work of your group and therefore their genetic ingress into the Greek genetic pool is your work.

    Second, the Jewish group is more racially hostile than any modern group in the West, with the result that it is the only group that experiences disease born of inbreeding.

    There is a matrilineal genetic test for Jewish membership that is what is used for almost 100% of group membership, conversions being almost nonexistent due to the fact that Jewish conversion option is more political positioning on the part of Jews than a real (see the convert legitimacy restriction in Mishnaic Scale of Lineages as well as the fact that conversions are made unreasonably difficult for non-genetic Jews and are regularly reversed even when completed).

    Moreover, genetic tests are sometimes used as an immigration test in Israel. Stop lying, Jew. Judaism is a racial nation (of a bred rather than evolved race, with all of the concomitant psychological and physical problems that we find in over-bred dogs). The unique human pathology as a result of this process also seems to cross into the spiritual.

    The Roman model is civic nationalism. Too weak in the long run.

    Its disingenuous to comment on the “Roman system” that, across the arc of Roman history, was changed by revolution in a manner that can be credibly argued to be the cause of its decline (a trajectory that has close parallels to today – with the end result of Italy being a miscagenated basket-case but also closely related to Jewish genetics where the Neanderthal admixture is high).

    Those revolutionaries were only “Romans” in the way that the modern “Germans” who run the modern State are the same as the Germans (and their system) as little as a century and a half ago. In sum, you are cherry picking in Roman history, after the system was purposefully broken by treasonous subversives. Nice try, but no sale.

    Why would you do that? Why would a Jew misrepresent history and its political reality, as is their consistent habit on par with breathing?

    One reason might be that Jews hold Rome and its system to be a stronghold their primary historical enemy (and in fact instigate for the destruction of Europe and the United States as supposed continuations of Rome – see the Rabbinical commentary on Zohar Shemot 32a).

    And we all know that anyone who competes with Jews for space in the world is held to be a Jewish enemy.

    The Jewish model is mixed. Stands the test of time.

    Your “Jewish model” is to be a bred mongrel race that parasites off of existing nations until the time when you can destroy them and ultimately build your own nation as the last one to be existent after the Jewish engineered apocalypse.

    To be brought about by the West’s conflict with Jewish Islam and Jewish-communist Russia-China. Per the aforementioned Rabbinical commentary.

    You’ve been sponging off of us, our governments, and our civilizations in general for a couple of millenia, while subverting them from the inside, and we’re supposed to look to you for the civilizational model?

    What “test of time” has your nation passed? The avoidance of total genocide as a bred mongrel race?

    Your “system” is a literal nightmare. And as a Jew who cannot escape his own mongrelized psychology you will never understand why becoming the racial equivalent Jewish is not desirable for non-mongrelized Whites.

    In fact, your “Jewish system” most closely resembles of an international mafia more than anything else.

    Smarter people have or will eventually come to view Judaism as little more than a highly developed mafia.

    Go to it, white people.

    You go to it. Literally, by moving one foot in front of the other before that’s no longer an option.

    It will be a blessed, glorious day fo the West when we no longer have to tolerate your group’s presence in any way, shape, nor form. That day is coming. You have your prophecies and we have our own.

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