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In 2001, I published a book on the White advocate William Pierce (1933–2002) called The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds. Given the obsessive concern currently for what is deemed the unimpeachable evil of White racism and the modern-day inquisition against White racists tainted with this sin, I think it would be useful to re-visit what Pierce had to say about this topic in the Fame book two decades ago and see what it brings up for you.

* * *

Pierce believes that over the past forty or fifty years [this is 2001, remember] white people have been conditioned to feel guilty about their natural inclinations around race. The media in particular, but also the schools, politicians, and mainstream churches, have waged an all-out campaign to get them to deny their natural—and healthy—impulses.

What are these natural racial impulses or inclinations? In order to get at that, Pierce offers that we must examine the way whites thought and behaved before the conditioning program began.

In times past, most whites accepted the fact that people of a particular race preferred to live and work and play with others like themselves. White people were curious about other races. They would study the lore of the Indians, for example. Indeed, whites found much to admire in other races and cultures—Chinese art for example. Still, they retained a sense of separateness and exclusiveness and pride in their own European heritage, in their own racial characteristics. They didn’t feel it necessary to apologize for teaching the history of their own race to their children, that is to say, European history. They didn’t feel the need to balance things out by giving equal treatment to other races and cultures. They left Japanese and Tibetan history to the scholars in those fields. They certainly didn’t feel a conciliatory obligation to invent a false black history to elevate the self-esteem of blacks or to persuade young whites that blacks were their cultural equals.

Did whites feel their race was superior to other races? In general, yes, they did, says Pierce, which is not to say that they were blind to the fact that other races and cultures could do some things very well, and in some cases were better than whites were at things. But whites valued what they were good at, and so by the standards they set up, they looked very good to themselves. They were confident in their abilities and accomplishments as thinkers and problem solvers and civilization builders. They liked their literature and art best. They valued their way of life—their concept of virtue and morality and their approach to family and work and so on.

Basically, they believed they had a superior culture and superior race. In that sense, they were what today would be called white supremacists. But they were not alone in feeling that way; it is natural for a people to think their ways are the best, that they are the best. The Chinese have historically believed that they are superior to the “foreign devils.” That the Chinese thought that way didn’t bother whites. It didn’t threaten whites’ sense of their worth, their sense of their place in the world.

Pierce argues that an outgrowth of people’s natural feelings of racial identification and favoritism is to segregate themselves from other people, to live among their own in the ways they prefer. That is their normal impulse. That way of living has been typical throughout the history of humankind. It may seem a good idea for people to live mixed up with other peoples, but it doesn’t work as well as we have been told that it does, and it isn’t inherently a superior or a more elevated way to live. Living amid so-called diversity is not the only legitimate, morally acceptable, way to live, and hardly an urgent moral imperative. It is only in recent years that whites have been pressured to think in those terms.

World War II brought big changes in this pattern of thought and conduct, says Pierce. Those who wanted Germany destroyed painted it as a war for democracy and equality. As the narrative went, the Germans believed in a master race while we believed in the equality of the races. This rationale brought increased stress on an equality theme in American life in contrast to an emphasis on the qualitative differences among individuals and groups. The idea of the equality of whites and blacks went along with that theme. From the assumption that blacks were equal to whites, it followed that if blacks were observed to accomplish less or conduct themselves less admirably, something external to them must be causing it. And that cause was identified—white oppression. Whites must have made blacks the way they were.

While white villainy seemed to make sense given the false notion of racial equality, it simply didn’t square with the facts. The vast majority of whites didn’t concern themselves with blacks and wasted no time trying to suppress them. The vast majority of whites didn’t care what blacks did. They simply wanted to go their way and let blacks go theirs. But the facts of the matter aren’t what is important. What is important is to understand that World War II served to heighten the belief that if blacks had any problems at all, they could be laid at the feet of whites.

Pierce sees the civil rights revolution of the 1950s and ‘60s as another important element in the development of the “whites-as-bad-guys” perception that has taken hold. During those years, the media showed us images of inoffensive blacks marching and protesting amid what looked to be white hooligans who were screaming at them, assaulting them, and in some instances killing them. After scores of television clips, news stories, and commentaries that painted this picture, resistance to what the civil rights activists wanted became equated in most people’s minds with KKK types and beefy Southern sheriffs and their German shepherds and water hoses. It is understandable that most white people came to sympathize strongly with the dignified demonstrators and their cause and to be repulsed by their boorish and brutal white attackers and what we were told they represented.

Indeed, there were white working-class people who saw their way of life threatened and acted in an undignified and intemperate and violent way. The media were quick to record it and place it in a context—within a story line—that appealed to what Pierce calls the innate white sense of propriety and fairness. The media transmitted these carefully selected scenes of white resistance to racial integration along with particular interpretations of what was happening over and over and over again. The white people who saw on their television screens and read about what their own people were doing were embarrassed by it and felt guilty over it. The media made the whole idea of resistance to racial integration shame- and guilt-inducing to most white people.

The media paired up names, labels, for what whites were seeing and hearing and reading and feeling during the civil rights revolution: racism, and racist. The media associated racism with white resistance to the civil rights organizations. Again and again and again, they paired up white resistance to a single idea/explanation—racism. Again and again and again, the media paired the image of the roughneck white opponent of civil rights being portrayed on the screen or in print with the label/identity of racist.

After a time, the words themselves—“racism,” “racist”—came to evoke pangs of revulsion and guilt on their own, just as the sound of a dinner bell resulted in Pavlov’s dogs salivating. The media had created a conditioned response to the word racism. Now, all anybody has to do to get whites to turn pale, become apologetic, and give in is call them racist. People don’t have to argue the facts with whites; all they have to do is push the right emotional button. If they ring the “racist bell,” whites—even the most rugged and proudest of whites—will bow their heads and put their tails between their legs and let people have their way with them.

The media could have worked the conditioning the opposite way if they had wanted to by associating different things with white resistance to the civil rights movement. They could have presented interviews with middle-class whites—professional people, academics, artists and writers, philosophers—who believed in racial and cultural integrity and pointed out the negative impact on countries like Puerto Rico, Brazil, and Portugal when the races were mixed together. The media could have shown what happened to white schools and neighborhoods after an infusion of blacks—the decay and disorder and crime. They could have interviewed white women raped by blacks. They could have presented case studies of white girls who mated with black boys they met in school and shown us their mixed-race children and let us see how we really felt about that. But they didn’t do that. That wasn’t consistent with the program.

During this time and since, Pierce points out, the schools joined the campaign of re-shaping white attitudes. The curriculum kept students from understanding the rationale for segregation. Segregation was linked to mindless hatred and oppression. History was de-Europeanized and infused with the real and imaginary accomplishments of non-whites. The churches also got into the act of decrying racism and promoting a multiracial society. White politicians pandered to minority interests and lectured their own people about how they must share their lives with minorities and to give them anything they wanted. The schools, churches, and politicians promoted the idea that anyone opposed to an integrated society was evil and irrational, that is to say, a racist. The only thing that operated against this wave of cultural re-shaping of whites, says Pierce, is the actual physical presence of blacks so that people could experience for themselves the glaring contradictions between the theory of racial equality and the reality of racial differences.

Pierce notes that race has become such a hot-button issue that it is very difficult to discuss it rationally at the present time. He says talking about race today must be how it was for Presbyterians to talk about sex a century ago. He says he gets letters and messages from white people who say he ought to be killed for advocating separation of the races and opposing miscegenation.

As difficult as it is to do, however, whites must think and talk about race rationally and honestly. They must not be embarrassed about it and feel guilty about it. They must be willing to entertain the idea that wanting to live and work among their own people is a natural, healthy feeling they were born with. Nature gave whites that impulse so that they could evolve as a race. Living among their own allows them to develop special characteristics and abilities that set them apart from every other race. Living with their own is essential to their survival as a race. What is irrational and destructive is the very thing that is being pushed upon them—a multiracial, culturally conglomerate society and way of life.

It is going to take determination for whites to open up their eyes and their minds to reality, and more courage than they have shown in the past to begin to report to the world what they truly believe. But that is what whites must do. Whites are being controlled by their fear of being smeared as racists if they disagree with the orthodoxy about race in this country.

In a Free Speech [a periodical Pierce published] article entitled “The Importance of Courage,” Pierce relates how he has dealt with his own fears around being called a racist.

I’m sorry to say that I’ve seen that same sort of timidity in myself. When interviewers have asked me whether or not I am a racist, I have responded by asking, “Well, what do you mean by the word ‘racist’?” I’ve tried to wriggle out of giving a direct answer to the question. I have resolved not to try to wriggle away from saying exactly what I believe when someone asks me whether or not I am a racist because it’s pretty clear what the interviewers have in mind when they ask me whether or not I am a racist. These days anyone is a racist who refuses to deny the abundantly clear evidence that there are inherited differences in behavior, intelligence, and attitudes. A racist is any white person who prefers to live among other whites instead of among non-whites and prefers to send his children to white schools. A racist is any white person who feels a sense of identity with, a sense of belonging to, his own tribe, his own people, his own race, and who shows an interest in his race’s history, heroes, culture, and folkways. A racist is a white person who finds the members of his own race more attractive physically than members of other races and who is instinctively repulsed by the idea of racial intermarriage or by the sight of a white person intimately involved with a non-white. A racist is a white person who is disgusted with the multiracial cesspool that America is becoming. . . . Yes, I’m a racist.

* * *

William Pierce, 2001. A brief footnote from me, 2021:

Individuals and groups use exaggerated, distorted, and false negative depictions and stories—White racism is a great example–to get attention, power, self-validation, and advantage, and hurt and destroy people.

My response these days to “You’re a racist” and “Are you a racist?” is “That’s your business, not mine. But I’ll say this. I’m not taking any more of your shit.

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Highly recommend “The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds.”

    Great work. I rank it right up there with the CofC.

    Pierce was ahead of his time and right about everything.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @CSFurious
  2. Great article. William Pierce was and remains a hero.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
  3. The problem with embracing the term ‘racist’ and accepting being labelled as such is that ‘racist’ really just means ‘bad’.

    When someone calls you a racist they always mean it to be understood that they are branding you as a morally bad person. So when you accept being called a racist it’s like saying “Why yes, I am indeed a bad person”.

    But telling the truth about race does not make you a bad person. Wanting a better society does not make you a bad person. So you should not accept the label.

    By all means explain honestly what your views are. By all means deconstruct the word racist and show how dishonest it is. Call yourself a race realist perhaps.

    But don’t just accept being branded with what is meant as a hate term.

  4. anarchyst says:

    The old time segregationists were right, all along. Coming of age in the era of (forced) “civil-rights (for some)”, I predicted what the results would be decades and generations down the road.
    I KNEW that government-backed and forced integration would not last. I expected government-forced and backed integration to be over by now, but was off by a few decades. Fortunately, there are cracks forming in the integration movement–a good sign.
    Of course, most whites have been brainwashed by the “civil-rights (for some)” movement for generations and still insist that voluntary segregation should be “illegal”.
    When I see these well-meaning, but misguided whites complain about segregated college dorms, meetings and other spaces and events deemed “for people of color (only)”, I think to myself, “what the hell is wrong with you?”
    Voluntary segregation should not only be tolerated, but encouraged FOR ALL.
    If voluntary segregation was the norm, us whites could be properly warned about businesses, institutions, and even areas where we are not welcome. “People of color” would actually be doing us whites a favor by letting us know where we are not wanted. Of course, us whites could reciprocate and inform certain “people of color” where ((they)) are not welcome, as well.
    Present-day examples exist today, although unwittingly…Most whites are aware that any street, avenue, or boulevard names after “Martin Luther (Michael) King” are areas for whites to stay away from.
    That being said, whether governments or (jew civil-rights carpetbagger troublemakers) want it or not, racial segregation IS the wave of the future.
    For one, I am PROUD to be considered “racist” and prize my “status” as a “racist” as a “badge of honor”.

    • Agree: Bernie
  5. anarchyst says:

    A long time ago, I came to the conclusion that enacting of the so-called “civil-rights” (for some) acts were mistakes. The more “rights” these black bastards demand, the more they complain and make demands not available to whites. When us whites become a “minority” in our own country, do you think the “civil-rights (for some)” acts will benefit us? I think not…

    When whites become a minority, this country is finished. All one has to do is look at Zimbabwe, South Africa, and other black-run “basket cases”. This is our future…

    That being said…

    The term “racism” was invented by jewish bolshevik communists, and is used to destroy cultures and defuse (and render impotent) those with differing points-of-view on “racial” issues.

    True “racism” is desirable as it merely cements cultural and social bonds that are necessary for a society to function and flourish.

    True “racism” merely denotes commonality of purpose and advancement within each respective racial group.

    Blacks have the NAACP and Congressional Black Caucus, Hispanics have La Raza and Mecha, Jews have the $PLC, ACLU and ADL. These are all “racist” organizations that serve to promote the interests (and political power) of their respective races.
    It is interesting to note that the ADL was formed to protect a jew serial rapist murderer who was unable to “purchase” a pardon.

    It is only whites who are castigated and threatened for attempting to show any signs of racial solidarity.

    Let’s look at what us “evil, privileged” whites have done for Western society and the world:

    1. “Civil-rights (for some)” laws (that effectively destroy “freedom of association” for whites, but not for other races) and do not apply to whites–only “people of color” are covered by these so-called “civil-rights (for some)” protections.

    2. “Affirmative action” policies (that push better qualified whites out of positions and jobs that they would ordinarily qualify for) in favor of lesser-qualified minorities. In fact, “affirmative action” policies actually damage those few black minorities who are quite capable of “making it on their own” because they get “lumped in” with the groups that cannot make it on their own without “help”,

    3. “Contract set-asides” (that are specifically targeted for minorities (that white people are prohibited from bidding on) and immigration policies (that specifically exclude whites, most of who have skills that would benefit the USA) in favor of those from the third-world (with no marketable skills).

    4. Scholarships that specify particular ethnic groups that are looked upon favorably by most people, save one–scholarships that are intended for whites only are looked upon as being “racist”, and therefore impermissible and improper in today’s racially-charged climate of “political correctness”.

    NO OTHER RACE (BUT WHITES) HAS (EVER) BENT OVER BACKWARDS to assure that all non-white races receive a “fair shake” in being a part of American life, even to the detriment and social well-being of “our own kind” (whites).

    Whites possess an externalized altruism that no other races possesses. This externalized altruism that “looks out for the other guy” will be the demise of the white race. This altruism needs to be internalized and focused inward, just as other races have done. There is NO SHAME in looking out for one’s own kind.

    I blame those of the “greatest generation” for selling out our birthright with the passage of the “Civil-Rights Acts” of 1957 and 1964, and the “Hart-Cellar immigration act of 1965”. To those of the “greatest generation” (who are still alive) thanks for NOTHING…

    Let’s not forget that “freedom of association” (but only affecting the white majority) was eviscerated by the enacting of these clearly unconstitutional acts.

    As whites comprise only 11.5% of the world population, it is us whites who should be the most protected and cherished of minorities…

    “Multiculturalism” and “diversity” are code-words for white genocide.

  6. Cliff says:

    Better to be called a racist than a coward

    • Agree: BluEidDvl
    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  7. I had heard of Dr. Pierce many years ago. Out of curiosity, around two years ago, I looked to see if he had any videos on YouTube. To my surprise, quite a few of his videos and speeches were available. He opened my eyes to the fact that there was much merit in his dissident views. I liked the fact that, unlike many right wing dissidents, he rejected Christianity, a Jewish invented religion which has deceived us goyim for two millennia.

    So, just before writing, I checked out YouTube again. I was not at all surprised that his videos were taken down and he’s been censored by our Tech Overlords. I’d have been amazed if they were still up.

    But there was a 5 minute video of his son, Kelvin Pierce, walking around the remnants of his father’s West Virginia compound, where only a few stubborn disciples remained. Not surprisingly, Kelvin has rejected William’s white separatist (not white supremacist) movement. My observation of Kelvin is that he doesn’t have the intellectual firepower of his father.

    Like Henry Ford and Enoch Powell (Rivers of Blood), Dr. Powell was a prophet who should have been listened to. Now we insouciant White Men are reaping the consequences of our ignorance.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Catdog
  8. Trinity says:

    Observations made with my own two eyes.

    Whites do build and maintain superior societies. That is obvious to all but the blind.

    Blacks excel at sports that demand explosiveness and are almost always faster runners. ( Athletes only, non-athlete 300lb welfare queens are exempt.)

    jews are a parasitical tribe that act as “termites” to the unfortunate host nation.

    jews and Blacks are the most racist tribes on the planet.

    Whites are too trusting, too naive, and too gullible.

    Blacks and Browns are more violent than Whites.

    Blacks and Browns are more promiscuous than Whites.

    “Collage” degrees do not determine or are not a good measure for REAL WORLD intelligence.

    The weakest people are always the cruelest and the strongest is always the most merciful.

  9. Looks the future of the white race is more (coal)burner’s diaries than Turner’s Diaries.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  10. Better to be called a racist than a coward”

    Unless of course your racism is in fact cowardice. A way of voiding having to compete in accordance with law. A mechanism by which to excuse failure by using force as a means to build and reinforce mythical aspects of one’s self pr one’s kind.

    There’s no problem with making a case based on skin color, one certainly has that right. However, it might be a good idea to start with an honestly built premise. And if one wants to plow the field of multiculturalism – the record is very clear.

    There is no universal white culture. There’s barely a cohesive European culture, certainly not one that binds Europeans together. As the numerous conflicts demonstrate.

    Also undermining the argument is the fact that across Europe blacks who were born and raised in various European societies are known to be as smart and dumb as their white counterparts in the various countries.

    Further damaging the premise is to intent, the historical record is pretty clear that it has been whites, Europeans whites who have acted as globalization advocates invading others territories and either pushing their cultural norms or killing the holders of other cultures entirely. And here’s an interesting fact, in nearly all of these exchanges

    the nonwhite inhabitants were generous to share “their” land until whites made it quite clear they had no intention of being as generous in return. One of the tragic realities is that whites routinely made treaty agreements they did not honor. I would that it was not the case, but the record is clear, even when that record is kept by whites.

    But the attempt to portray whites as some benign actor upon whom all evil has been pressed upon — simply does not square with history. So if intellectual honesty is a trait especially in common of whites, then here the premises are lacking either honest assessment or accuracy and maybe both.

    Let’s do avoid the cuck references. The foundations pf the arguments are flawed.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
    , @Wally
    , @Sollipsist
  11. follyofwar: “I had heard of Dr. Pierce many years ago. … I liked the fact that, unlike many right wing dissidents, he rejected Christianity …”

    He did reject it on a conceptual level, and unfortunately, that’s something that’s not mentioned at all in this article. It’s notable too that Pierce got it right in rejecting Christianity as inherently defective for racial preservation purposes due to its universalism, other-worldliness, racial egalitarianism, and still other problems. He didn’t whine about how “real” Christianity had been subverted by the Jews, or try to blame all its faults on the Scofield Bible. He didn’t advocate upholding any of it. In his opinion, Christianity was the white man’s spiritual illness.

    On the other hand, the considerations of practical politics restrained him from attacking Christianity directly, at least for much of his career as one of America’s most famous racists. That would have been bad for business! There’s not much point in attacking Christianity in a Christian nation if you’re trying to start a political movement and soliciting donations. Consequently, with Pierce, it was always, and most of all, Jews, Jews, Jews. In its focus on media manipulation of whites by Jews, this article recalls this aspect of Pierce’s ideology; the Pierce of his ADV broadcasts. An avid listener back in the 90s, I used to look forward to each one, and really got a kick out it when the old boy got wound up, thundering to a stirring conclusion, often conjuring up the image of Jews hanging from lamp posts. Very colorful! LOL.

    Regrettably though, Pierce wasn’t the most systematic of thinkers on these questions. It seems it never occurred to him to wonder how, without modern media to manipulate them, and in fact without any Jewish elites at all, a white Christian America could have persuaded itself to fight a vicious civil war in order to free negro slaves, and then grant them citizenship and voting rights. For someone who wants to blame everything on Jews, like the ADV Pierce seemed to want to do, that event stands out in glaring contradiction. I think an analysis of this would have led him to the same conclusion it has led me. Namely, that there is something deeply buried in the nature of the system itself that causes it to be innately destructive to race. This genetic flaw means it can’t be taken over and reformed. If you wish to preserve the white race, it can only be destroyed.

    • Replies: @NEETzschean
    , @BlackFlag
  12. @Emblematic

    Yes. I tell people who make the racist accusation “Actually, I’m a realist. Realist is spelled slightly differently than ‘racist’ and has a very different meaning. That is what I am”.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Nancy
  13. One of the funniest things I have repeatedly heard throughout my life was that the Germans believed in a “master race” and they were it!! I say “funny” because I have known thousands of Germans throughout my life and known them intimately. Sure, they have the braggarts among them, what race does not. But overall, they are some of the most modest and almost clueless people I have ever come across even on the things that they should be rightly proud of but are not particularly. In fact, one of Adolf Hitler’s biggest complaints about the German mentality was how naive the Germans were. He even called them people mainly interested in eating sausages and drinking beer. LOL Yet, they have investigated every angle of life at the deepest levels. There has never been a general army where the average man was so educated, and yet, there has never been a race/culture that has fallen to deeper levels of despair than the Germans. Yet, they arose from the ashes to renewed heights of status. It’s something innate and not brought in from the outside. Of that I am sure.

    • Agree: HdC
    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  14. Wyatt says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Yeah, I don’t really give a shit about your explanations. Once Anglo-Saxons gained dominion over the world’s reins, there was a technological and industrial revolution unprecedented in human history that brought all this cool shit like refrigeration and integrated circuits into my insulated, air conditioned home.

    For all the dumb shit the English did, my life is substantially more livable because of them and their progeny, as it is for way too many people across this overpopulated planets. It’s the miracle of overabundance, but it’s easier to be disciplined with abundance than it is to be rationed with scarcity.

    So if you want to be rid of all this “evil white culture,” get rid of all your technology, go live out in a shithole of your race’s choice and rot quietly so the rest of us can enjoy the erudite, thoughtful commentary of an intelligent white man.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Jatt Aryaa
  15. If anyone wants to see videos of W L. Pierce, check out Brighteon.com.

    • Thanks: europeasant
  16. The race worshiped by jungle fevered whites.


  17. Whites haven’t left Japanese history to those scholars.
    The first American embassy was inside a Buddhist temple where whites killed a cow to show progress.

    They went around the world as ‘social reformers’ thinking they would never be the ones to be reformed

    Whites need to own up that history of ‘progressivism’.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @europeasant
  18. @anarchyst

    What you call external altruism is imperialism

  19. @Wyatt

    Christcuck, life is a violent struggle.
    Jesus died a virgin & you’d too for ‘technology’

    In the real world, people don’t separate western ways from technology. Intel = LGBTCIA+

    You can own the social degeneracy of Europeans or be owned by others. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheEmissaryCo/status/1347400714033758212

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  20. ‘Yeah, I don’t really give a shit about your explanations. Once Anglo-Saxons gained dominion over the world’s reins, there was a technological and industrial revolution unprecedented in human history that brought all this cool shit like refrigeration and integrated circuits into my insulated, air conditioned home.’

    laugh as i said,

    so much for a higher moral grounding based on white skin. however, you seem to have gone off on some tangent that has little or nothing to do with my comments or their import on the article. i said absolutely nothing about what skin color i am. nor is one;s skin color relevant in the content. nor did i say anything akin to shedding white skin or white people. in fact i don; even hint at any such thing.

    What falls apart are several premises the article contends. Especially on the question of diversity, honesty, and some benign innocence of color socialization and cultural interference.

    i have no idea of what the world would like without my computer — ohhh wait i do — typewriters and demographic and without them, pen and paper. it’s funny that man existed and populated the earth minus technological advances. but i think your comment belies a deeper flaw in human understanding — that better technology makes better humans. hmm . . . i am unconvinced that the us had to drop the bomb on japan twice to end the conflict. better we did have the better technology.

    i don’t think the planet is overpopulated and the evidence suggests that is not the case. whether resolving our distribution issues us accomplished by marauding the globe smooshing would be rogues acting as rogues ourselves is another mater. it certainly contradicts the notion that whites by and large want to be let alone. WWl and WWII makes a very convincing case that not only are whites not content to be left alone, they are more than happy to drag peoples from far away lands into their troubles. i am unclear how your technology good argument squares or defends the articles varying premises in defense of whiteness– it doesn’t.

    and his above all is telling;

    “erudite, thoughtful commentary of an intelligent white man.”

    none of which says anything about whiteness in particular save perhaps this, it is possible to be erudite (scholarly), thoughtful and intelligent and be absolutely wrong in all counts. Form over substance as is your look white man has better toilet.

    i was fortunate enough some time ago to be dragged into a visit of some of the nations former plantations and what you don;t know about the intelligence, technological skill and development is seriously wanting if you think that without whites better mouse trap would simply never have made the scene. but i appreciate you making my point.

    that white skin has no corner on the market of intelligence, erudition, thoughtfulness or morality.

    better calculator does not a superior white make, though one can certainly ignore the invention of others to make oneself feel better.

    good grief . . .

    • Replies: @europeasant
  21. ‘‘Yeah, I don’t really give a . . . about your explanations’

    i am certainly an advocate of free speech. and of course you may respond to my comments as you like. however, when responding i would prefer that you refrain from colorful language. while i am no stranger to such expression, it is in my view unnecessary here in this exchange and i find it inappropriate.

    though clearly, free speech means you are free to ignore my admonition.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  22. @Jatt Aryaa

    What are you even on this site? Are you such self-hating Indian that you need to go to websites of other races? With the pathetic society that India is, you aren’t in a position to criticize anything about white people, white culture, or white society. Since the British left your country three quarters of a century ago, the Indians haven’t even been able to sustain the legacy that the British left there. The only thing your people are good at is emigrating to other countries.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  23. Wyatt says:
    @Jatt Aryaa

    Didn’t the British have to force Indians to stop burning their widows on the husband’s funeral pyre?

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @babu
  24. JackOH says:

    Chrissake, I’m conflicted.

    Part of me wants to say Dr. Pierce, about whom I know little, is right. I feel and have felt the anger, too, and I’ve written here that we may want to ask whether the unfair (in my opinion) but currently lawful diminution of White Euro-folks amounts to something on the lower rungs of genocide.

    The other part of me thinks about means and ends. Herr Hitler was spot-on in noticing the Sudeten Germans were getting a raw deal from Prague, and that the Versailles Treaty was unduly punitive toward Germans to the extent it denied Germans the self-determination thought to be a good thing for Slavs.

    Means and ends. Herr Hitler’s means brought him a pyre in Berlin, and discredited the politics of “national solidarity”, which surely would draw the attention of America’s corporate masters to the populist threat from all citizens linking arms in their common American-ness. As for “racial solidarity” for White Euro-folks—fuhgeddaboutdit.

    I have to admit to being a sucker for the true believer mentality, and for folks with technical training who’ve caught a political bug. I have to give Dr. Pierce points for sincerity and conviction, both of which are nowhere to be found among our parasitic managerial-capitalist elites. I just feel the path he took is a ticket to political impotence and embitterment.

    Thanks for the fine provocative article, Mr. Griffin. Stirred up my brain cells a bit.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  25. @JackOH

    I think WLP got a lot – but not everything – right analytically, and a lot – but not everything – wrong politically and organizationally. People like him and organizations like his were pretty much just what the establishment had been preparing for after WWII. He was essentially attacking where his opponents were strongest rather than where they were weakest. In this regard, he was anything but a quick learner. I think he was too distraught by what he saw going on around him, and too in love with his vision of how things should be, to change his methods. The result was a confused mix of lofty ideals and cheap rabble-rousing; and despite constant assurances that the NA was recruiting higher quality members, at no point did it ever attract the kind of people WLP thought were needed in anything like the necessary numbers.

    • Thanks: JackOH
    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Che Guava
  26. @Trinity

    The weakest people are always the cruelest and the strongest is always the most merciful.

    Are you “merciful” or are you “weak”?

    Are you “good” or are you “incompetent”?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  27. The only things I know about William Pierce is from that fun cartoon series. His character is of a sweet old man. Remember just a few years ago, when they were freely hosted on Youtube? Already, it would be unimaginable. How odd.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  28. @Triteleia Laxa

    WTF? There was nothing of the “sweet old man” about him. He was truly a vicious, hateful, coldhearted son of a bitch, and despite agreeing that he was ‘technically’ correct in most of his analyses, the gaping moral holes in his logic make me glad that his efforts to organize came to naught. I absolutely don’t want a prick like that playing a leading role in pro-white activism.

  29. @silviosilver

    Thanks. I was just describing how his character was portrayed in the cartoon. I mentioned it because the photo at the beginning of this article conveys a similar image and I have always been curious about what type of person watches the cartoon series.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  30. Laughing.

    Nothing like impugning the gentleman’s logic and concluding that he was right. He makes some rather obvious observations that cultures differ and that people of said culture prefer the culture in which they were raised.

    But even there,, when the Visigoths entered Rome, t5hey actually adopted and preferer Roman culture. So the very notion of purity on culture and a desire to stay with one’s own flies in the face of example. When the Romans encountered the Greeks, they actually preferred much of their way of life and adopted accordingly.

    The romans routinely mated with and adopted customs of various societies they either conquered or encountered – even with nonwhites.

    Your telling people that Alexander was a stay at home cultural loyalist. Then you have to explain the embrace of Persian culture and women.

    My guess, despite the rhetoric the whites even the Boers strayed into the beds of black africans. There’s nothing unique about skin color that prevents desire.

    ‘The Germanic tribes had undergone massive technological, social, and economic changes after four centuries of contact with the Roman Empire. From the first to fourth centuries, Germanic populations, economic production, and tribal confederations grew, and their ability to conduct warfare increased to the point of challenging Rome. ”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_%28410%29

    should one reject the wikipedia reference I understand – excuse its rare usage.

    cultural purity
    https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsAfrica/AfricaLibya.htm

    Nothing is preventing whites from having a community that is strictly white. Simply reject any federal subsidies or give “aways”. Nothing wrong with white skin by default. But the claims made about whites in general of a superior human based on a socialization process that includes the adoption of nonwhite cultures simply has no basis in fact.

    Further undermining the case, is the notion that one because of said skin color can take credit for all things created or established but by a few small number of whites.

    One may be a credit to white skin, but that is a far cry from taking credit based on some disconnected white person.

    ————————————————-

    “What are you even on this site? Are you such self-hating Indian that you need to go to websites of other races? ”

    I was not under the impression that Mr. Unz intended the site for just whites. I am sure he could devise effective blocks to such populations, even if they acted on the pretense of being white

  31. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2014/11/man-and-technology/

    Pierce’s position on technology was explicitly transhumanist and he claimed that all of the serious problems of technology stemmed from present (Jewish) elites. This was a good business decision as it implies that there is a straightforward political solution: replace present elites with Pierce and his followers and all problems will be solved. He claimed that desiring to reverse technological progress was infantile and that achieving it was impossible:

    “What we must understand is that that loss (pre-advanced technological ways of living) is utterly and absolutely irrevocable and that we must, therefore, stop longing for the simplicity of childhood and instead learn how to make the best of our adulthood.”

    One could easily argue the same about racial homogeneity: the loss is absolutely irrevocable and we must instead learn to make the best of it. And through eugenics and transhumanism, even achieve “Nature’s innermost purpose”, which is apparently to advance technology scientific knowledge. I’m sure the Chinese, Jews, racial hybrids and the most intelligent of other races can also assist with this meritocratic scientific project.

    “…it (technology) offers new tools — new muscles, new hands, new legs, new eyes — which enable him (the white man) to accomplish feats otherwise impossible: to explore regions of his universe otherwise inaccessible, to consider options otherwise unavailable, to know the otherwise unknowable; it gives him new power, not to exploit or subdue or contravene Nature, but to fulfill Nature’s innermost purpose; her upward striving.”

    So Pierce’s goal is apparently to replace our limbs (and no doubt our brains) with more advanced scientific alternatives so we can better explore the universe. But what room is there for racial preservation in this? How will these highly futuristic cyborg organisms be anything like their human progenitors? What does scientific knowledge, technological progress and space exploration have to do with preserving the white race anyway?

    Although Pierce’s statements were close to the knuckle as far as the system was concerned, he did not advocate immediate violent action against the system and at times claimed it was “premature”. This may have also been a business decision: Pierce was still within the law, permitted to be a millionaire living on a big ranch with multiple wives while Kaczynski was an outlaw, a penniless hermit living in a shack.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  32. GeneralRipper [AKA "ICan\'tTellUY"] says:
    @Priss Factor

    Great stuff!

    Thanks.

  33. Thomasina says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “…i would prefer that you refrain from colorful language. while i am no stranger to such expression, it is in my view unnecessary here in this exchange and i find it inappropriate.”

    One man’s shit is another man’s rose.

    Interesting that you would take the time to admonish someone else’s language use while ignoring your own. But, as you said, free speech and all that.

    I like what Jordan Peterson said about free speech:

    “In order to be able to speak, you have to risk being offensive. You’re certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth.”

    I find it amazing that those who are the most vile and controlling always want to develop rules and fences around what’s acceptable speech. While maybe not swearing themselves, they go around baiting and offending, and then if you happen to step over their artificial language fence, well, then somehow YOU are now the offending party.

    Nice try, buddy. When you sling shit, be prepared to catch it.

  34. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:

    Like Ted Kaczynski, William Luther Pierce was an interesting but obviously flawed thinker. He is not someone I would ever want in power. For those courageous, I would recommend Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds as well as the other works available on the author (Robert Griffin’s) web site.

    He was accurate in some of his observations, which are rooted in a perspective that is utterly taboo and alien to modern western man, even if his solutions are untenable and ludicrous.

    This might include aspects of his controversial notion of Jewish power. In practice, this criticism could be made in a similar manner as those who view society as consisting of unjust “white privilege.”

    Overall, he viewed people as merely biological organisms. I think society today has veered too far in the other direction, and Pierce’s repellent, violent white nationalism represents the other extreme.

    • Replies: @NEETzschean
  35. NEETzschean: “Pierce’s position on technology was explicitly transhumanist and he claimed that all of the serious problems of technology stemmed from present (Jewish) elites.”

    To be fair, the essay you link dates from 1972. He doesn’t use the word transhumanism and the essay doesn’t really talk about transhumanism as we think of it today, instead just giving the usual technological sales talk about how great things will supposedly be in the future. Is he talking about an actual physical replacement of the body when he says:

    [Technology] offers new tools — new muscles, new hands, new legs, new eyes — which enable him to accomplish feats otherwise impossible: to explore regions of his universe otherwise inaccessible, to consider options otherwise unavailable, to know the otherwise unknowable; it gives him new power, not to exploit or subdue or contravene Nature, but to fulfill Nature’s innermost purpose; her upward striving.

    or is he just being metaphorical? Hard to say. It would have been nice if he had made this clearer, since that would have forced him to come to terms with all that the open-ended technological “improvement” of man implies for the continued existence of biological races, and specifically the white race. Arguing for a metaphorical interpretation is the fact that later in the essay, under the subheading “Improving man”, he speculates that this process could take generations.

    The biggest step, however, will be the retransvaluation of our values, through an educational process extending over generations, if necessary.

    A physical replacement of the body by mechanical parts would seem to obviate the need for a cultural “retransvaluation of our values” taking generations, since it would instantly change absolutely everything about society in ways that can barely be imagined. As I say, Pierce wasn’t the most systematic of thinkers. His attitude toward technology seems quite the standard one for 1972, especially for an ex-physics professor. But even Kaczynski didn’t talk about transhumanism in his 1995 manifesto. What a difference only a few decades has made! Things that would have seemed way too science-fictiony to worry about in 1972 or even 1995 now seem much more possible, or even imminent, like Musk’s brain chip.

    NEETzschean: “Although Pierce’s statements were close to the knuckle as far as the system was concerned, he did not advocate immediate violent action against the system and at times claimed it was “premature”. This may have also been a business decision: Pierce was still within the law, permitted to be a millionaire living on a big ranch with multiple wives while Kaczynski was an outlaw, a penniless hermit living in a shack. ”

    I’m not sure if Pierce ever expressed an opinion on Kaczynski. If he did, presumably it would have been negative. Staying within the law was part of his public face, but privately he may have believed differently, at least if the rumors are true that the National Alliance received money from the bank robberies pulled off by Bob Mathews and The Order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jay_Mathews#The_Order

    • Replies: @NEETzschean
  36. @Anonymous

    99.9%+ of people wouldn’t want Pierce in power because his vision entailed the global extermination of non-whites and “race traitors”, which would entail an apocalyptic global war. Kaczynski’s anti-technological ideas are similarly radical and unpopular, not to the tastes of anyone normal. You have to be highly misanthropic and probably have little to lose to support such visions.

    The long-term preservation of the white race would entail enormous violence whether the ideal was repatriation (which history tells us does not work in the long-run) or extermination. White nationalists who can’t confront this are essentially conservative hobbyists, which almost all are.

    Jews are represented in powerful positions more than any other group and are the richest per capita if we look at multi-millionaires and billionaires but whites were behaving in racially suicidal ways before Jews had any institutional power and most people in technologically advanced societies have a very weak sense of racial loyalty because racial loyalty is unnecessary for living a long and comfortable life (and can actually impede it).

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @Ron Unz
  37. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    “I’m not sure if Pierce ever expressed an opinion on Kaczynski.”

    The Jewish journalist Mike Wallace claimed that Pierce praised Kaczynski in a conversation but I never heard Pierce reference him in any of his broadcasts or saw him referenced in any of his articles, so it’s impossible to know his in-depth opinion. As you say it’s feasible that his position on technology could have changed between 1972 and the 30 years before his death but even in later life he expressed a desire for Western man to explore the far reaches of the universe and ultimately “attain Godhood”, which would require enormous technological progress from where we are today. This would inevitably transform man into something totally different from what he is today or has been in the past.

    “Staying within the law was part of his public face, but privately he may have believed differently”

    He definitely said that revolutionary violence was necessary down the road and even praised a man who murdered an interracial couple. He publicly claimed he told Bob Matthews that “we are not yet in a revolutionary phase” or something similar.

    Revilo Oliver was a right-wing technophile back in the 60’s but expressed reservations in the 80’s, yet still claimed that the technological power of the West was the only means of preserving the white race. Both Pierce and Oliver seemed wedded to the Spenglerian idea that Western man is irrevocably wedded to technological progress, that it is a “spiritual need” for us.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  38. NEETzschean: “99.9%+ of people wouldn’t want Pierce in power because his vision entailed the global extermination of non-whites and “race traitors”, which would entail an apocalyptic global war. ”

    On the other hand, a transhumanist future, if it entailed the physical replacement of biological organisms with electronic/mechanical ones, as you have Pierce arguing for above, would make biology and race irrelevant. In making race irrelevant, it offers a way of achieving true racial equality. Transhumanists are in this way the ultimate SJWs. But, for Pierce to realize that he would have have to have thought much more deeply about technology than he did.

    NEETzschean: “Kaczynski’s anti-technological ideas are similarly radical and unpopular, not to the tastes of anyone normal. You have to be highly misanthropic and probably have little to lose to support such visions.”

    Misanthropic? Not really. If Kaczynski is correct about the threat posed by technological “progress”, and I would argue he is, a revolution against the technological system is the only way to save man as a species from extinction, (or the white race, for people who claim to care about that). That would make it the most philanthropic act possible, a sacrifice akin to the one made by the mythical Jesus. Of course, it is at the same time true that such a revolt would entail the permanent collapse of the system, and if successful, would cost literally billions of lives worldwide. If done on ideological grounds, any man or small group of revolutionaries who did it would far eclipse anyone else in history as a savior of the race or species, even though owing to the human cost, they’d probably only be damned by any survivors for their efforts. What else could you expect from the mass of mankind but ingratitude and curses? If white people really wanted to save their race, they would have acted quite differently throughout history; and likewise with the human “race”.

    • Replies: @NEETzschean
  39. Bill says:
    @Emblematic

    What is the song Yankee Doodle about?

  40. If someone calls you “racist”, the correct reply is: “How can I be a racist? I’m not black. Black people are the most racist people on the planet. White People are the least racist people on the planet.” Then sit back and watch their fuses blow. Go on the attack, a defensive posture is suicide in this war: The War Against White People.

  41. @NEETzschean

    Oh yeah dipshit…..racial loyalty is obviously impeding the success of jews.

    Go fuck yourself.

    • Replies: @NEETzschean
  42. The proclivities.

    Europeans Europeanize. Africans Africanize.

    Whites turn natural elements into goods.

    Blacks turn goods into natural elements.

    Whites should let blacks revert to nature and leave it that.

    But whites keep offering goods to blacks who be ‘baaaaad’ with them.

    Whites should be wary of the black proclivity but are turned on by its vibrant naturalism, much like whites wet their panties to blacks sacking the QB and rapping.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  43. @silviosilver

    Dumbass…..if white people had listened to WP (and David Duke and Don Black) white people would not be facing the destruction they are facing today.

    Organized jewry softened white people with years of propaganda….combined with a Christian value system…..kind hearts…..and generosity……and now we are facing

    WHITE GENOCIDE.

    • Agree: Katrinka, CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @Realist
  44. Diversity is a terrible idea. Mixing races and languages and cultures always leads to trouble. How can it be otherwise.?? We are hardwired to help people we are related to and distrust all others.

  45. Even the media says average black IQ is 85 which means it’s really 65. Some other facts that prove black inferiority.

    1. Black-americans come in last in all standardized tests. Asian-americans do fine on all the tests so it’s not due to cultural bias in the tests.

    2. Africa is by far the poorest and most backward continent on the planet. All of black africa is now controlled by blacks and has been for decades so it’s not due to racism.

    3. No black has ever won a Science Nobel Prize unless you count one in 1979 for the semi-science of economics. They have won many nobels in non-brain fields like Peace and also in Literature so it is not due to racism.

    4. Out of 1552 chess grandmasters in the world, only THREE are black.

  46. No white person who never did harm Black person can be called Racist.
    Only white person who has or had a power of distributing opportunities, and he was or is excluding Blacks is guilty of Racism.
    And so basically only one category of people, that is people of power could be or were racist.
    Person walking on the sidewalk crossing the street just not to meet the coming Black person, has full right to do it, and that person cannot be called racist.

  47. Wally says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Among other facts that you are clueless about, Euro-whites predate ‘Indians’ in the N. America by 10,000 years.
    recommended:
    Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html
    10,000-year-old stone circle found deep beneath Lake Michigan similar to Stonehenge.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1453129/archaeology-news-underwater-stonehenge-lake-michigan-world-stone-circle-uncovered-spt
    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade / Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
    African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today.”
    The Non-Genocide of Northern “Native” Americans
    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/06/02/the-non-genocide-of-northern-native-americans/
    Noble savages’ debunked, see excerpt from:
    http://principia-scientific.org/crichton-environmentalism-religion/
    Ancient Egyptians were European
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/ancient-egyptians-europeans-related-claims-a7763866.html

    • Thanks: mark green, CelestiaQuesta
  48. @NEETzschean

    He publicly claimed he told Bob Matthews that “we are not yet in a revolutionary phase” or something similar.

    If you’re referring to a speech he gave (available at Archive) during the course of which he mentioned that he had tried to dissuade Matthews, it didn’t sound like he tried very hard to stop him. I think he was trapped by his own rhetoric. After penning The Turner Diaries, he couldn’t very well say, “Bob, that is a crazy plan, you fool,” without appearing weak. Or maybe he just wanted to see what would come of it, while also being able to later claim he’d advised against it.

    It doesn’t seem that WLP learned anything from that episode. His sense of urgency that something must be done right now (or at least in the next few years) or else all is lost restricted him to the same approach that had recruited Matthews and his gang – people who shared the same sense of urgency but were even less grounded than WLP, and who were willing to lay it all on the line on a long shot. When you characterize the white racial predicament as being a desperate, now-or-never, do-or-die situation, these are the sorts of people you attract, and these are the crazy plans they hatch.

    The more patient approach of a Jared Taylor, a Greg Johnson (unfairly maligned, though his site does promote an awful lot of garbage), or even a Steve Sailer (who can plausibly deny any association with WN) attracts a more levelheaded audience that is able to fit their newfound understanding of racial issues into their existing value system and adapt it to the existing sociopolitical arrangement rather than jumping to a panicked conclusion “omg, race matters, let’s kill everyone!!”

    Both Pierce and Oliver seemed wedded to the Spenglerian idea that Western man is irrevocably wedded to technological progress, that it is a “spiritual need” for us.

    There was that, but I’m sure there was also an awareness that with technological progress comes greater power; the corollary to which is that if you don’t technologically advance and your enemy does, it’s not going to end well for you. Whether there’s any “spiritual need” or not, this logic alone dictates that people will favor technological progress.

    • Replies: @NEETzschean
  49. Until the woke, the awaken, the sleeping become enlightened as to who the real tyrants running global Homo, technopolies, finance, media, government are, this relentless attack on whites will continue until they are replaced with their digital twins who will be subservient, loyal and do as they are told.
    Dear whites, prepare for your demise. There’s nothing you can do unless you fight as warriors, not as slaves.

  50. @Jatt Aryaa

    Jesus died for you. Whether you accept Him or not, the message was to end ritual human sacrifice. Does that bother you?

    Jesus was born of a virgin so as to make the point that He held no particular tribal allegiance. = the new man, the universal man. Myth? So say monkey minds lashing out against the numinous beauty. Oh the beauty of it.

    People of European ancestry put that message to good use. Their record prevails with love, honor and excellence. The European civil wars of the last century stem from the Beasts of the Apocalypse who now rule with consummate evil. Including AI and transhumanism. The ultimate idolatry. As the sane well know.

    • Agree: Josh Kenn
    • Replies: @Anon
  51. Smith says:

    The more I grow up, the less I endorse “racism”.

    There are differences between races, but people shouldn’t judge people just because of their race, that’s overestimating and underestimating your potential friends/enemies with no good reason.

    Racism should be only loving people of your race, and not mindlessly hating others.

    I’ve seen to many white “racists” who would rather their people starved so the niggers can starve too, that’s reckless and stupid “cut feet to fit shoes” ideology.

  52. @Wyatt

    Yes, I think it was called “sati”.
    British success?
    I know the Indians were still trying to stop it 10-20 years ago.

  53. @NEETzschean

    Good comment.
    “One could easily argue the same about racial homogeneity: the loss is absolutely irrevocable and we must instead learn to make the best of it.”
    I am against forced segregation AND integration.
    I am against negative AND positive discrimination.
    Whites must not be, nor accept the constant public shaming of “racist !”.
    But, everyone, including blacks, have a duty to try to get along..
    Everyone has a right to nurture their own culture. But they also have a duty not to insult etc other cultures — get along to get along.
    All cultures/groups need to take responsibility for the “here & now”. But that does NOT include persecution (ie Old Testament) unto the 7th generation, backwards or forwards.
    (I LOATHE seeing some 95 year old German dragged in front of a court for something he did or didn’t do over 75 years ago – mean, petty, priggish, self righteous & bloody ridiculous)

  54. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Thank you Trevor, we’ve just had 5 days of wonderful diversity in South Africa. The looting and rioting have only one underlying cause. It is the nature of the beast. Period. There’s a new saying here “I’m hungry, I’ll just go out and steal a television”

  55. Ghali says:

    “… white people have been conditioned to feel guilty about their natural inclinations around race.” This is maybe true in the U.S. In Australia, Whites feel proud of what they did and continue to do to Indigenous and non-Anglo Saxon Australians. High paying jobs, lucrative careers and privileges are reserve for Whites. The Society is one of the most racist in the world. Unlike other racist societies (e.g., Fascist Israel, France, Denmark, Belgium, etc.), Australian racism is subtle and covered-up in “multicultural” dirty rubbish.

  56. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    “..Whites are only 16% of the world’s population, yet they are the most industrious and innovative race the world has ever known..” – – Quote Taken From – –

    https://redstatesrebel.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/10-Life_is_an_IQ_Test.pdf

  57. “A racist is a white person who is disgusted with the multiracial cesspool that America is becoming. . . . Yes, I’m a racist. ”

    Perfectly stated and the only way to respond to the charge of “racism”. Never, ever waste time denying or trying to refute the charge of “racist.” By doing so, you fall into the trap of making “racism” the horrible thing that it is not. “Racist” is a meta-political weapon — don’t legitimize it by making it part of your vocabulary other than ironically or in quote-marks. Same thing with “diversity”, “hate speech” and “democracy” and “African American” — these are all meta-political perversions of the left to control mass thinking and behavior.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
  58. @Joe Paluka

    “What are you even on this site? Are you such self-hating Indian that you need to go to websites of other races?”

    This website is owned by venerable Ron Unz, a Jew, who is by definition of a Semitic race and not of the so called Indo-European race. Most contributors to the site are Jewish. Does that mean you’re not to post your views on it? It’s an open source, so JA or anyone with his/her type of views should be able to publish them. Get over it!

  59. Publius 2 says:

    Racism is realism. There is nothing wrong with loving your own people. I want my son to have a beautiful white wife and not live surrounded by dangerous blacks.

    Blacks have an average IQ of 80 and a propensity for violence. Proven since 1992.

    Speak the truth.

  60. Sarah says:
    @Priss Factor

    The race worshiped by jungle fevered whites.

    The major problem with Whites is that they have no racial consciousness.

    One of the results of this lack of consciousness is that they do not stand together.

    The richest were able to flee South Africa on time.

    It would be up to whites in Western countries to exfiltrate poor whites from South Africa and resettle them in Europe.

    At the same time, they should help Indians return to India and Asians return to Asia. They too are victims of affirmative action. In 2020, at the beginning of the BLM riots, a black South African politician declared: “We must kill all whites, Indians and Asians“.

  61. Sarah says:

    Do not use the words “racist” Or “racism” ; they are anti-White slurs.
    And more and more anti-Asian also ; now it is their turn.

    By using them, you place yourself on the enemy’s ground.

    The problem is that it is those who use these words who decide on their meaning. THEY have the right to decide who is a “racist”. THEY have the right to decide what “racism” means.

  62. Trinity says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Too merciful for my own good sometimes. Nope, not weak physically or mentally.

    Good but incompetent in a lot of endeavors, but then again, are not we all.

    Are you a Shlomo or are you a dick?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  63. Sarah says:
    @Emblematic

    By all means explain honestly what your views are. By all means deconstruct the word racist and show how dishonest it is. Call yourself a race realist perhaps.

    If you know your speaker well enough and know that he is honest, sincere and open-minded, I agree.

    But if not – in the case of an MSM journalist for example, don’t argue, the debate is lost.
    Fight back. Answer him: “Oohhh, you are an anti-White, as I can understand! ” (Or anti-Asian, as the case may be.)

  64. Yes, the Chinese did have a superior mentality, and so did the Japanese and other “tribes”. And that is the problem, Darwin and Eugenics. If they went back to one human race, but many families or tribes, things would be better. Birds of a feather flock together. It should not be illegal to marry someone from another tribe though. Live and learn.

  65. conatus says:

    Everyone is racist, not just Whites but every race. All races prefer to be with their own type, it is the disease of too much thinking that has brought us the plague of Diversity.

     I subscribe to the Broadway theater school of race relations. In the musical ‘Avenue Q’ the third song is titled “Everyone’s just a little bit racist’ It is online, give it a listen.

    Afterwords you might agree with African-American Harvard law professor Randall Kennedy who said in a 1997 Atlantic article, ‘My Race Problem-and Ours.’ He wrote about whites organizing as a race.

    “I find it difficult to accept that it is wrong for whites to mobilize themselves on a racial basis solely for purposes of white advancement but morally permissible for blacks to mobilize themselves on a racial basis solely for purposes of black advancement.”

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  66. Trinity says:

    As a rule, Whites are the least racist people on the planet. The fact that they are called racist by uber racist jews, Negroes, and muds is laughable. These nonwhite ingrates KNOW they have a good thing going in America and Europe and they KNOW they are not discriminated against at all ( hell they have their asses kissed left and right.) Muds, Negroes and jews KNOW they are playing Whitey like a fiddle. Blacks laugh at virtue sending, ass kissing, “I am not a racist” White idiots behind their back and right in their face. Seen it with my own two eyes and heard it with my own two ears more than once. Whites have been taking this shit for a long, long time now, exactly when are they going to enough. It isn’t as if there will be a let up, the more you give in to these ingrates the more they demand. Blacks and jews are not fair people, they are born parasites, and they have been riding high and UNOPPOSED for so long that they feel they have this one in the bag. They have taken over America without Whitey even putting up a fight. Whitey is pissing himself, kissing Black feet and literally getting on his knees to slobber over some jewess pushing out 12 little zionists. At least the Indians went down fighting, I don’t think there has ever been a tribe of people who just LAID DOWN and ALLOWED another tribe of people to just take over their land and/or nation the way Whites have done in the history of the world

    • Agree: Katrinka, anarchyst
  67. eah says:

    The National Vanguard website has a 24/7 stream featuring many of WLP’s radio/audio commentaries, as well as other interesting content — listen here –> The National Alliance Radio Network.

    It suffices to say that when observing political developments today, especially re the threatening situation Whites find themselves confronting in America, WLP was prescient and correct about pretty much everything.

  68. Anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @thotmonger

    The message was to end ritual human sacrifice? “Christ our Passover lamb is sacrificed for us.” Unless, of course, you imagine that yet another bank heist is a great way to end bank heists. Doh! And now you’re a sad Wannabe-Jew celebrating the main Jewish holiday, Passover, in place of the European tradition of Eostre rites of Springtime fertility with eggs and bunnies.

    He held no particular tribal allegiance = the new man, the universal man? You sound exactly like George Soros, who is as much of an internationalist/globalist scumfuck as the Jewish Rabbi Jesus. But thanks for laying to rest the oxymoronic notion of “Christian Nationalism.”

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  69. …and now for a musical interlude…
    Eh white man including jews… how bout your suicide and all other plastic peoples!
    maybe some poetry to reflect upon…
    here is Roy Harper’s great demonstration of some of the most powerful verse penned in English
    cuts right through…strummed acoustic
    give a listen if you dare!

    “I Hate White Man”….’and the man who turned him all loose’

    • Replies: @Trinity
  70. @Trinity

    An astute observer will notice that I predicted your answer perfectly. Want to know how?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  71. @conatus

    Everything which you can imagine in another, is also in yourself. The question is whether you leave it to darkly influence you, unexamined, under the surface, or you bring it into the light and yourself into balance.

  72. Trinity says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    “Want to know how?” Not really.

    • LOL: Blackstone
  73. Trinity says:
    @Abdul Alhazred

    Wanna do lunch and talk about it sometimes? Separate checks of course.

    • Replies: @Abdul Alhazred
  74. True, what Pierce said and Griffin wrote. But uninspiring. Know the enemy! The villain here is media, not blacks.

  75. JackOH says:
    @silviosilver

    FWIW–biographer Maurice Isserman indirectly but expertly sketches an important reason why 1960s-era democratic socialist Michael Harrington’s career and ideas didn’t quite take off as Harrington would have wanted. America was delivering vast amounts of consumer goods on easy terms to an ever-growing population. Who’d want to give that up to join the comrades in the class struggle?

    As I’d mentioned, I know little of Pierce, Tom Metzger, or other racialist/White nationalist folks, but I’d gather the same idea applies. For those folks with even a minimal purchase on the odious system we live under, entering the compound with the latest racialist guru du jour is a bridge too far.

    As I said, though, I feel the anger. But, as a onetime salesman, I have a bias in favor of close analyses of “political markets” to see if there’s any rhetorical and mainstreamable space to be found there. That’s why I’ve suggested, among other things, looking very closely at the gratuitous anti-White biases stemming from our civil rights law.

    At least as I’m seeing it, the cure for some anti-Black racism by some Whites seems to have been to enact laws that presume all Whites are always racists all the time. That just isn’t true. But, I don’t think I’ve seen calmly made arguments that the “racist” shoe is likely on the other foot.

    Thanks again for your reply, silvio—.

  76. Realist says:
    @anarchyst

    When whites become a minority, this country is finished. All one has to do is look at Zimbabwe, South Africa, and other black-run “basket cases”. This is our future…

    This is exactly so. Why there are so many stupid Whites that don’t see this…I don’t know.

    When Whites lose their power this planet is screwed.

  77. @EliteCommInc.

    ‘No such thing as white culture’ people are funny. They generally have long lists about all the bad things that have been done by something that doesn’t exist.

    • Replies: @Lancelot_Link
  78. Jiminy says:

    You know that you have succeeded in becoming a horrid society of uncaring racists, when the other half of the world wants to come and spend the rest of their lives with you.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  79. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I was just listening to a 1996/97 interview of Pierce by an American radio broadcaster called Art Bell and Bell raised the subject of Kaczynski’s manifesto to Pierce:

    [MORE]

    https://worldtruthvideos.org/watch/william-luther-pierce-on-coast-to-coast-radio-interview_o1fXCnCPZzsrRxZ.html – skip to 50 minutes for the audio version

    AB: I’d imagine you’d read in toto the Unabomber’s manifesto?

    WP: Yes I did read that when it was published in the Washington Post and the New York Times.

    AB: The methods of getting it publicised aside for a moment, his deeds aside for a moment, what are your impressions of the manifesto?

    WP: Well I don’t agree with a lot of the ideas that Mr. Kaczynski expressed in his manifesto. He came from a left-wing background, I don’t share a lot of those sentiments that are common in the left wing but I do sympathise with some of the things that apparently were bugging him when he wrote the manifesto.

    AB: Specifically?

    WP: He has complained about what this over-industrialised lifestyle has done to us as a people, what it’s done to the world. When I was studying history I was struck by the changes that the industrial revolution made in the life and in the thinking of people. It took people off the farms, out of the countryside, away from the villages and urbanised them, it packed them together into factory towns, into mill towns and I think by in large this was an unhealthy change. Now I’m not a Luddite like Mr. Kaczynski, I’m a bit of a technology freak myself. I’ve always been interested in computers and other devices but I do think that the way technology has been applied to our lives has not been well thought out, that it has had some very unfortunate consequences and I could see Mr. Kaczynski agonising over these things in his manifesto and I sympathise with a lot of what he said.

    AB: What about his method?

    WP? You mean sending mailbombs out to various people? I really don’t agree with that at all, often I wondered why he chose some particular guy as a target when I really couldn’t see that this guy was responsible for the things that Mr. Kaczynski was complaining about and I got the impression that maybe Mr. Kaczynski was acting more out of frustration, that he just had to do something and he hadn’t really worked out an effective plan of action to change the things that he found disagreeable.

    AB: Mr. Kaczynski said that the reason I killed was because had I not, would you have published me? Would you have listed to me? The answer is no. So he claims that he did what he did so that what he had to say would be heard.

    WP: Well maybe so or maybe this was just a rationalisation after the fact, I don’t know.

    AB: This was nevertheless what he claimed and is that not in a lot of ways very similar to what your character did to the FBI building in Washington and very much for the same reason?

    WP: No, not so. The bombing of the FBI building was for a very specific purpose, it wasn’t to send a message to the government it was to destroy a computerised identity card system that the government was developing so that the government could keep track on all of its citizens…

    AB: Well that’s a message..

    WP: Well the folks who were fighting against the government in The Turner Diaries were concerned about a specific threat and that was this computerised identity card system that the government was developing and the computers were in the basement of the FBI headquarters so that’s why they put the bomb there.

    AB: Almost a Unabomber kind of message really..

    WP: Well I guess it depends upon how you look at it. I think that the Unabomber was not trying to stop any particular program, I think he was trying to say “hey I’m here I’ve got some real concerns listen to me” but I don’t think that he hoped to stop some of these industrial programs that he saw as life threatening by killing some forestry official or some professor at a university or whatever.

    The first thing that I find interesting here is that Pierce distances himself from Kaczynski on the grounds that Kaczynski is from a “left-wing background”, when the first part of Kaczynski’s manifesto is an extended critique of leftism which he characterised as being a modern technological sickness rooted in feelings of inferiority and powerlessness, of which some of its characterises include hatred of Western civilisation (but not third world cultures that contravene its values to a greater degree) hatred of rationality and logic and hatred of white males on the grounds that they are perceived to be strong and successful. I would have thought that most of this would have been catnip to Pierce and though the manifesto was critical of nationalism and conservatism, the document was far more critical of the left than the right. The manifesto does not read like a left-wing document to me (though the language and arguments are far more temperate than you’ll find in one of Pierce’s polemics, partly no doubt for tactical reasons) and even if Kaczynski comes from a left-wing background (which is at least doubtful) then Pierce comes from a libertarian background, yet his philosophy in the late 90’s and much earlier was totalitarian. Pierce may have objected to the technological materialism of the manifesto as opposed to his own idealism and associated Kaczynski’s materialism with Marxism.

    Pierce says that he sympathises with many of Kaczynski’s concerns but he doesn’t agree with a lot of Kaczynski’s ideas. He believes that the use of technology has “not been well thought out”, which implies that it could have been planned well enough to avoid or at least considerably mitigate most or all of the serious problems that we have faced and could face in the future and buttresses this by claiming to be a “technological freak”. So no clear change since 1972.

    Pierce questions Kaczynski’s tactics of targeting senior high IQ technophiles in universities and technological industries but I wonder if this was because Pierce himself fit the bill to be a Kaczynski target as a rocket scientist working in a military company. It’s strange that Pierce questioned Kaczynski’s successful tactics in raising awareness as he himself had no objection to the murder of interracial couples and other “race traitors”, part of the intended purpose being propaganda of the deed.

    I regard Kaczynski’s followers (and probably Kaczynski himself, as well as Pierce and James Mason more obviously) as misanthropic because their visions would entail the violent death of billions of people. Whatever the rhetoric of Kaczynski in desiring to save humanity from Skynet, I think that on a gut level he was motivated by feelings of hatred and resentment of a society which had not been accommodating to him as a giga-IQ autist and incel. His ideology to some degree gives him cover so that he has plausible deniability as a well-intentioned extremist instead of a nihilistic and misanthropic sociopath. If the actions of he or his followers had the effect of saving humanity from extinction, I believe this would have been a side side effect of his desire to kill a vast number of people and strike back against a system that he regarded as having wronged him, possibly as well as being by far the most significant man who ever lived. I could be wrong though, this is just my own perception of his motivations.

  80. Nancy says:
    @Trinity

    ‘Whites’ are too ‘Christian’, actually. ‘Turning the other cheek’ only ‘works’ if you are strong enough to defend yourself from the inevitable escalating aggression. And too few Christians have read the Talmud, and realize the parasites are deliberately taught/trained to be sociopathic, i.e., have no empathy for any/all non-Jews. Indeed, non-Jews are considered subhuman. It is a revelation to most Americans.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @G. Poulin
  81. Catdog says:
    @follyofwar

    White atheists and pagans aren’t having children. White Christians are. Whatever you think about Christianity’s Jewish origins, rejecting Christianity will only hasten White extinction.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
  82. Nancy says:
    @American Citizen

    Thanks. A major marketer once said that one you change the ‘picture’ that people ‘see’ with their imagination, as a result of an advertising narrative, you change the actual situation. So I think it is critically important that we take back the communication, the language/labels and the narrative, and the ‘pictures’ (‘contextualizing, framing, etc)

    So I’m not a ‘conspiracy theorist’, I am truly a ‘skeptic’ with a lot of questions… anyone got answers? And I’m not a ‘racist’, I am a REALIST, and I see the ‘rest of the story/picture’. And I’m not an anti-semite (actually I like real semites, Palestinians, Arabs, etc)… I am an anti-parasite, I am prejudiced against the anti-goyims, let me tell you what the Talmud teaches.

    There is a reason advertising finds ‘sound bytes’ so effective… they are short and create powerful ‘teaching’ pictures. Hence, the ‘1% vs 99%’, and the ‘Paris Hilton tax’, and… anyone got others? Thanks again for re-introducing Mr. Pierce.

  83. @Jatt Aryaa

    “They went around the world as ‘social reformers’ thinking they would never be the ones to be reformed”

    I don’t know who is pushing that agenda. Look at how easily stupid White people were manipulated into invading Iraq. But in all honesty that invasion was part of a Jewish agenda if you study the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century . Jewish people can present themselves as White people and separately as minority Jewish people, whichever suits them better.

    This is why Trump was hated so much by elites as he was presenting himself as a nationalist and not a globalist. This is what White people here in America are up against. The propaganda every where is very powerful.

  84. @EliteCommInc.

    I don’t know who’s side you’re on but you are full of BS.

  85. Jiminy says:
    @Priss Factor

    When I first saw this, I thought don’t tell me that the negroes are starting up with their blm rubbish again. But after I noticed that the police were trying to exert control of the situation, it became obvious that it could not be America.
    It is strange though that the agenda isn’t being pushed by the media that it is just a continuation of the blm movement. Surely there must still be whites there in SA that can be scapegoated.

  86. Walter says:

    “racism” is a derogatory term in Rhetoric. It is used to attempt to emotionally de-legitimize one’s opponent. It is a specialty form of the ad-hominem “argument”. Such derogatory terms are used when there is no logical argument…and it is generally a form of projection to conceal the tu quoque response, which would undermine the speaker by establishing him as himself a bigot, hence his “argument” being exposed as zero sum, at best.

    Any time some says “racist” he’s exposing his own vacuous agenda and bigotry.

    The term itself is has no objective meaning. It’s semantic value is: “you have no rights because you’re a (fill in blank) and I do have rights because I am a (fill in blank)”

  87. @Robert Dolan

    Many if not most Jews in the upper-class marry whites, they have a symbiotic relationship with each other and despite the masses. Racial loyalty is not required for immediate survival in a highly advanced technological society with police, surveillance and bread and circuses; it’s a primitive instinct that evolved in state of nature type conditions. If there were no social ramifications, I have no doubt that most white nationalist males would be happy to not just have sex with but take an attractive non-white woman as a long-term girlfriend/wife. The question of white racial decline is far more fundamental than Jews having disproportionate wealth and influence. Even if Jews disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, whites would still be heading toward extinction.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Nancy
    , @Anonymous
    , @Adûnâi
  88. Realist says:

    One thing that should be noted about W L. Pierce, which will cause consternation among many on this blog, is that he and I both agree that the problems blamed on Jews lie squarely at the feet of gentiles that allowed the Jews to gain such control. Pierce makes his feeling on this quite clear numerous times in his speeches.

    • Replies: @Realist
  89. @silviosilver

    “The more patient approach of a Jared Taylor, a Greg Johnson…”

    I don’t believe there is a political solution to these problems and WN gets softer with every passing generation, while sexual degeneracy and white racial replacement accelerate simultaneously. The “levelheaded audience” you are referring to are more conservative in temperament and are less likely to do anything.

    “I’m sure there was also an awareness that with technological progress comes greater power..”

    There is a technological arms race between nations and this is why Kaczynski claims that nationalists are big supporters of technology in his manifesto. The problem is that from the perspective of preserving race (a primitive biological characteristic) technological progress is itself destructive.

  90. anarchyst says:

    I am PROUD to be considered “racist” and wear my designation by others as a “badge of honor”.
    I wake up every morning and thank my Creator for making me white.. I apologize to NO “persons of color” especially blacks, as ((they)) have all of the advantages and preferences enshrined in laws and have had such advantages for generations.

    According to “black persons of color”, getting up early, going to work, performing my job to the best of my ability, taking care of my family FIRST, and not giving a damn about other races are all characteristics of white behavior and as such, are seen as undesirable by blacks.

    All one has to do is observe a predominantly black classroom where the lone black who does desire to get an education and learn is ridiculed and accused of “acting white” by his fellow black peers. It would behoove blacks to espouse such characteristics themselves, but ((they)) are too stupid and lazy (low IQ and genetic differences, more akin to simians than humans) to realize that these characteristics that ((they)) negatively attribute to whites would benefit themselves immensely.

    Blacks have never had the yearning for exploration, have never explored the treasures beneath their feet, have never utilized agriculture as a means to eliminate starvation among their own people, and only “live for the moment”, never planning for the long term. All of these positive characteristics are missing in just about every black, save those with enough white admixture.

    That being said, blacks are their own worst enemy, but the “elephant in the room” is never mentioned, the manipulators that pit blacks against whites–the “small hats”.

    The “small hats”, being the inventors and promoters of bolshevik communism have been using this “divide and conquer” tactic for centuries, having been kicked out of 109 countries throughout recorded history.

    In today’s culture, Naming the “small hats” directly is a recipe for social and cultural suicide, but I DON’T CARE. One can easily put two-and-two together and KNOW who I am talking about.

    The whole “civil-rights (for some)” movement of the 1950s and 1960s was spearheaded and run by the “small hats”. Almost every “civil-rights worker” was a bolshevik leftist communist “small hat”. The “mainstream media” of the day is not “off the hook” either, being dominated by the “small hats” who “never let a (manufactured) crisis go to waste”. Crimes committed by the “small hat” organizers and their “pets” (blacks) were either not reported or “hushed up”. Cameras were turned off during the criminal acts of violence committed by the “small hats” and their “pets”.

    In fact, the NAACP, an ostensibly black organization was formed and run by the “small hats”, having NO blacks on the board of directors until black members “got smart” in the 1970s and wrested control of the organization from the “small hats”.

    The “small hats” have been behind every war, conflict and social upheaval throughout history. It is interesting to note that every significant “holy day” celebrated by the “small hats” is based on war, destruction and “genocide”–destruction of every living thing in cultures that they have conquered. THAT is a good indicator of their mentality…

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
  91. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Addendum:

    Here is a video that supports my previous comment about W. L. Pierce.

    https://www.brighteon.com/5838484542001

  92. FvS says:

    If there were no social ramifications, I have no doubt that most white nationalist males would be happy to not just have sex with but take an attractive non-white woman as a long-term girlfriend/wife.

    There are no social ramifications for engaging in miscegenation at the moment. In fact, it’s encouraged by nearly all major institutions. The only thing stopping white nationalists from doing it is their own ideology or their attractiveness to non-whites of the opposite sex. Even the lemming whites still overwhelmingly prefer their own race despite all the propaganda.

    Even if Jews disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, whites would still be heading toward extinction.

    No. The largest impediment to a renaissance of white racial consciousness would be gone. Hollywood, the MSM, academia, finance, social media, the judiciary, NGOs, ADL, SLPC, AIPAC, etc. would be completely transformed.

    • Replies: @FvS
  93. Sarah says:

    From the end of the article :

    Yes, I’m a racist.

    Of course NEVER answer that.
    Some people have suggested : ” Yes, I’m a racist, and then…? ”

    By answering this way, you confirms you’re a bad person ; it is like pleading guilty when you are innocent.

    My response these days to “You’re a racist” and “Are you a racist?” is “That’s your business, not mine. But I’ll say this. I’m not taking any more of your shit.

    This is the best response to a dishonest person, a propagandist or an MSM journalist. Then don’t say anything else, even if he insists: keep your mouth shut.

  94. Trinity says:
    @Nancy

    I have hardly read the Bible despite my moniker ( I chose “Trinity” from a trilogy of Western comedies that came out in the 1970s) but my guess would be that Jesus was talking about turning the other cheek for your brothers in Christ, not people who wish you evil, and of course was he speaking metaphorically instead of literally. IF you turn the other cheek literally for someone, all that will happen more than likely is you will get slapped or struck on the other cheek. haha. I don’t think Jesus nor God wishes his followers to be doormats.

    The thing with Whites that boggles my mind is that they are not so Christian like with each other, so I don’t know if the problem is Christianity or just plain old ordinary cowardice. Whites slaughtered each other in WWII and the American Civil War for two tribes of people who are the biggest ingrates on the planet. I think I stated this on another thread but I will state it again for good measure;

    How many jews do you see kneeling before White Americans, White Englishmen, or White Frenchmen? Should not these ingrates feel a debt towards nations that saved their ass in WWII instead of their contempt for all White Gentiles. Obviously Whites will NEVER curry favor with these parasitical, RACIST, sociopaths, so stop with kissing their ass left and right. They ( the jew) offer nothing to OUR nations but chaos, division, perversion, filth, destruction and draining the nation dry.

    Same thing with Blacks. How many Blacks are kissing the feet of White Yankees? Just like the jew, a race of ingrates who are good for nothing but destroying and leeching. Browns and assorted muds? Same thing. They come only to rape OUR nations both figuratively and in some cases literally. Look at what Blacks did to Rhodesia, S. Africa and Haiti. They can not even maintain a nation that was built for them much less build a nation on their own.

    Nonwhites and that includes jews, Arabs and others who may be classified as “white,” are only baggage, they don’t improve OUR nation, they take away from OUR nations.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
  95. Realist says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Organized jewry softened white people with years of propaganda….combined with a Christian value system…..kind hearts…..and generosity……and now we are facing

    WHITE GENOCIDE.

    See my comment #89.

  96. AReply says:

    Whiiite shiiite!
    No shiiite’s so fresh as whiiite shiite!
    (Singing to tune of Born Free)

    There used to be a principle of civilization, advanced among many white people, that you build communities by working together, keep the word of God in your heart, and pull others up from behind you in the interest of a common good, you enjoy the profound self respect and well-being that attends making the best of things, knowing as one goes, so do all.

    At Unz’ joint, such essential moral precepts appear to be completely dead. This landscape is ubermensch zombies ambling around looking for rotting brains to feed on.

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Rurik
  97. Nancy says:
    @NEETzschean

    Mere personal assertions… with no supporting facts. Typical and skillful pilpul.

  98. My response these days to “You’re a racist” and “Are you a racist?” is “That’s your business, not mine. But I’ll say this. I’m not taking any more of your shit.

    Perfect. I embraced the fact that I am a White racist about 25 years ago. I am astounded at how shocked friends and family have been when I express my true opinions about race. I’ve lost many old friends. Even people who agree with me on the essentials are VERY uncomfortable talking about the topic.

  99. Agent76 says:

    “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism.” Ayn Rand

    Mar 1, 2021 Thomas Sowell’s Maverick Insights on Race, Economics, and Society

    The peerless 90-year-old scholar is the subject of a new documentary and biography.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Realist
  100. “I don’t know who’s side you’re on but you are full of BS.”

    Laughing. ell, I certainly could us some proof reading skills. In short the contention i

    white people left to their own devices would be better off. And it is egregious that whites have been told they have to integrate with black especially.

    But look at history demonstrates that whites are bot content with their own. They are not even content with each other. Greeks, Romans, Germans, Normans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings . . . . all wet about mucking in other’s business. And when they did they were generally, not always rather rude about it. And more time than not they actually borrowed or outright embraced other cultural practices. In fact, based on the practice of cultural realignment, it;s not clear that some whites had a culture they could call their own.

    Maybe the Truscans were satisfied with themselves, but history tell a very different story about white in general.

    I think ts was a branch of the Visigoths, that completely embraced the culture and practices of North Africa.

    The premise is deeply flawed a common morality of cooperation — every Europeans white ought to snort at such a notion — white even went at each other when they shared the exact same culture — to the extent that culture can be exact.

    ————————-

    In the US our primary branch lineage is Great Britain and then France. Anyone telling me about the unity of whites in harmonious dance is selling wooden nickles.

    In either country you would be hard pressed to find a fifty year time span of continuous peace amongst themselves — forget with each other.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  101. Escher says:

    Didn’t this fellow Pierce die suddenly under somewhat suspicious circumstances?
    Wonder if he was bumped off?

  102. Poco says:
    @AReply

    They found that, after advancing those principles, they turned out to all be evil racists anyway, regardless of principles.
    So, not really a point to having those principles. All of their bad history is attributed to all of them and their inherent evilness. All of their good history, is attributed to others, or didn’t happen.

  103. nsa says:

    Worshipping a mythical jew fag zombie sealed whitey’s fate. Even a syphilitic pygmy laughs at the smug fabulist jew-lite chrissie cultists.

  104. Jimmy1969 says:

    A well written article; very informative.

  105. @Priss Factor

    I feel I’m in a parallel universe watching a global zombie attack movie on white civilization by feral blacks (POC) who Burn Loot Murder as punishment for being white.
    I wait for the scene where the four horsemen of the Apocalypse descend from a black hole, releasing plagues, famines, and locusts storms to finish off humanity.
    Then reality sets in, I look around and see this is all real. Feral blacks (POC) are Burn Loot Murdering, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse (((Technopolies/Global Homo/Monopolies/Banker Barons))) have unleashed the most hideous crimes and human cruelty ever recorded.
    I should wait for the ending but I know how it ends. Civilization doesn’t last forever, and this one is way past it’s expiration date.
    Cue Richard Wagner’s Gotterdammerung /Twilight Of The Gods – followed by Die Walkure

  106. Rurik says:
    @AReply

    and pull others up from behind you in the interest of a common good

    Robert Mugabe was educated by white (French) Jesuits.

    Half-white Obama (or Colin kaepernick, for that matter), were raised by loving white mothers and their white families.

    All three of these pampered and privileged men went on to nurture a seething hatred of the white race, and do all they could to destroy the white society and people who did so much to “pull them up”.

    American blacks are some of the most privileged and pampered blacks on this planet, and they’re also some of the most murderously race-hatred filled people you’ll ever encounter. Not all, of course, but so many that it’s really unwise for a white person to walk alone at dark in a black part of any town or city in America. Not too many white people vacation in Detroit, and for good reason.

    That Jews are behind most of that, doesn’t change the fact that white societies are punished whenever they try to ‘pull up’ certain races and attempt to make them equals.

    Separation is the obvious solution to race hate. There isn’t too much race hatred in Iceland. (((Yet…)))

    • Agree: follyofwar, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Realist
  107. Considering that Pierce was a physics professor and not a novelist by profession, The Turner Diaries is a great read.

    In some ways it’s scarier, and more prescient, than 1984 or Brave New World.

    His lectures, now banned on YT, but still available on Bitchute are not to be missed. Pierce was a great man.

  108. @nsa

    Worshipping a mythical jew fag zombie sealed whitey’s fate. Even a syphilitic pygmy laughs at the smug fabulist jew-lite chrissie cultists.

    Pierce, a scientist by vocation, had nothing but contempt for Christianity.

    • Agree: Realist
  109. ““I don’t know who’s side you’re on but you are full of BS.”

    White only societies — I have no issues. But basing said society in the premise of some innate goodness or intellectual prowess has a boat load of issues.

    Simpler to simply say — whites only, here;s how. I am not sure how one works what makes a white person.

    there’s 1/2, 1/4 . . . nonwhite blooded whites . . . etc. Some standard has o be created to ensure that white purity

    there will have to be a distillation of practices that were incorporated into white society, astronomy, the number zero for sure, canals, indoor and outdoor plumbing . . . natural central airways . . . rocketry, writing . . . there’s a lot of work to be done

    There seems to be some debate between Dr. Pierce and some whites over the value of Christ. Christ was not white. But there will be some debate no doubt. Even dislodging Mohammehd, buhda, the Bagivagidam hindus, etc
    ————————

    Would that you refrain from color language in response

  110. “”A racist is a white person who finds the members of his own race more attractive physically than members of other races and who is instinctively repulsed by the idea of racial intermarriage or by the sight of a white person intimately involved with a non-white.”

    I’m not a racist! Wonderful! “Instinctively repulsed”? Not me. Attractive women come in all colors. Pierce has a lemon-sucker facial expression that fits right in with his thought.

  111. @nsa

    Christianity served whites well for 1900 years until the jews subverted the religion with the Scofield Bible that inverted the entire relationship between jews and Christians.

    An accurate reading of the NT recognizes that the jews are the enemy of the Gospel, and this is why the jews continue to work to wreck Christianity.

    The fact is (and I get tired of having to repeat this) Christianity was actually our ONLY cohesive group strategy……and that is why they went after it.

    I agree that the religion has been totally cucked but it wasn’t always like that. In fact there are some very good arguments from scripture that support the idea that God created all the nations with different languages….and there is nothing in the Bible about multiculturalism. The Bible recognizes the separation of people and cultures and physical nations.

    Religion used to provide cultural supports for both blacks and whites….religion promoted sexual restraint, respect for the father and mother figures, respect for the family structure, emphasized teaching children to respect their parents, and of course religion also promotes honesty and decency…..and all of the things I’ve listed are necessary ingredients for a successful and united culture.

    The Frankfurt School targeted the patriarchy and the family structure for destruction and we are seeing the devastating effects.

  112. Trinity: “… my guess would be that Jesus was talking about turning the other cheek for your brothers in Christ, not people who wish you evil … I don’t think Jesus nor God wishes his followers to be doormats. ”

    This is the usual sort of gaslighting one hears from Christians and their sympathizers when the suicidal nature of their creed is pointed out to them. Yet Jesus himself was the original doormat when he allowed himself to be crucified, forgiving the Roman soldiers even as they were crucifying him, at least according to the fairy tale. He set the suicidal example for his followers, who are expected to admire and imitate him. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. – Matthew 16:24

    It’s impossible to overemphasize how much the suicide of the West is bound up with Christian mythology.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  113. Cowards blame China for what Jews do.

    Cowards blame Socialism for what Blacks do.

  114. @Agent76

    Black Rednecks and White Liberals. – Thomas Sowell

    Sowell argues that Black speech patterns, life habits (educational and business failures; lackadaisical employment, etc.), sexual behavior and similar markers have more to do with the immersion of Blacks in the surrounding cultures of White Scots – (early-arriving) Irish – Welsh in the South that exhibited those characteristics than in Black “racial inferiority,” since the same differences between White Southerners and White Northerners can be detected as between Blacks and Whites.

  115. Che Guava says:
    @Priss Factor

    I read Turner Diaries once.

    Ending not too kind to us in eastern Asia.

    Coal-burners, few, but usually abandoned by the father. Sometimes bizarre results, girl is fat and towers over her mother, quite young, but still insisting on wearing local styles for her age-range, making it both ugly and bizarre.

    I do know an exception, doting dad of a son.

  116. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    As I posted above….historically Christianity served whites well until fairly recently.

    Christianity is actually the antidote to jewish hyper-ethnocentrism…..I mean, that was the idea….Christ offered the jews a way out of their myopic selfish tribalism…..but they obviously rejected Him.

    Christ also ranted against the “teachings of men” (the oral tradition now called The Talmud)

    Again…..most of you don’t understand that as much as you think that Christianity is some kind of jewish plot….the jews themselves have always seen Christianity as a threat….and that is why they had to subvert the religion.

    Stupid fatass John Hagee isn’t preaching real Christianity….he’s preaching Israel/jew worship, which is an insane heresy.

    The problem is that of one way tolerance as Christian whites love all of mankind while nobody loves whites in return.

  117. Anonymous[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @NEETzschean

    I’m definitely opposed to extermination of non-whites, or rabid jew hatred, blaming all Jews for the unwanted actions of a few. If Jews are guilty, I mostly blame the gentile elites who allowed Jews to control their banks and media.

    But I’m undecided whether without Jews, whites would be “heading towards extinction.” The civil war for abolishing slavery is completely separate from the cryptic 20th century, post world war II agenda to “slow cleanse” white Europeans from their ancestral homelands.

    • Replies: @Realist
  118. Che Guava says:
    @silviosilver

    He bought Resistance Records, not a stupid move at the time,IMHO.

    Searched for them a few weeks ago, seems to have vanished altogether from WWW of now.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  119. Che Guava says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    if there really was a cartoon series, and I believe you, it must still be up somewhere.

    Find out where, tell us!

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  120. Anonymous[418] • Disclaimer says:

    In European societies, Jews are “racially dominant” over whites, who are generally wired to act as individualists as part of a moral, “high trust” society. When allowed to do so, they accumulate massive amounts of power and wealth. There’s nothing intrinsically wrong or nefarious about this, but this can be used for good as well as ill.

    https://counter-currents.com/2014/04/racial-dominance/

    Pierce was not wrong to raise questions about this, because no group should be immune to criticism. And it’s clear that many powerful Jews have an unhealthy psychological relationship with the society they live in. Gentile elites in America completely failed by allowing Jews in a position where they could completely control and dominate the conversation over race and demographics.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  121. usNthem says:

    Speaking of Portugal, I was shocked at how many blacks we saw – particularly in Lisbon. Not the feral type, but still. I had no clue, but assumed it was like most European countries, virtually jogger free. I guess those days are disappearing if not long gone.

    • Replies: @CCG
  122. @Anonymous

    Historically speaking jewish influence HAS been nefarious as jews have repeated the same aggressive behavior over and over and over (at least 109 times) by gaining political control through usury and financial subterfuge….so to claim that it’s not intrinsically wrong doesn’t begin to address the problem.

    The obvious concern is that jew use cohesive group strategies….and they use money as a form of control….while disallowing ANY cohesive group strategies for whites….which will result in the ethnic cleansing of whites.

  123. @Che Guava

    Yoy can find them here, in the “Murdoch Murdoch” archive. They are extremely racist etc; but they are also funny and imaginative.

    Whoever knew that creativity is no respector of social taboos?

    Perhaps start with “The Great Meme War of 2016” and continue down. I don’t know, but I think the early videos are a bit amateur and rely on toilet humour too much. The later ones are very extreme in their politics, but I can’t imagine that anyone on Unz Review should be shocked.

    https://cheekyvideos.net/

  124. G. Poulin says:
    @Nancy

    “Turning the other cheek” only works if the other party shares the same value system as you and can be shamed by your action (“It will heap coals of fire upon his head”, as Paul says.) The statement by Jesus was never intended as a universal response to any and all aggressions; it was intended to regulate the conduct of Christians with regard to other Christians, for the sake of the internal peace of the church itself. We’ve turned the words of Jesus into an invitation to suicide. Dumb.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  125. Realist says:
    @Agent76

    “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism.” Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand was a Jew.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  126. “One man’s shit is another man’s rose.
    Interesting that you would take the time to admonish someone else’s language use while ignoring your own. But, as you said, free speech and all that.
    I like what Jordan Peterson said about free speech:
    “In order to be able to speak, you have to risk being offensive. You’re certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth.”
    I find it amazing that those who are the most vile and controlling always want to develop rules and fences around what’s acceptable speech. While maybe not swearing themselves, they go around baiting and offending, and then if you happen to step over their artificial language fence, well, then somehow YOU are now the offending party.
    Nice try, buddy. When you sling . . . , be prepared to catch it.”

    I don’t use colorful language in such discussions as engaged here. Your comment is completely in some left field. It’s simple, if I don’t use such language in said conversation, then I would prefer to maintain that posture — like to like. If had so engaged, then so be it. But in these forums about issues, even if think some colorful choice words are warranted — I refrain, I prefer the same.

    ““In order to be able to speak, you have to risk being offensive. You’re certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth.”

    Hmmm . . . well i am certain that Dr. Peterson did not intend to encourage the use of colorful language merely to be offensive. What his comment means is that one should know that in engaging in discussion one’s ideas might be offensive. I doubt very seriously he was advocating the use of language merely to offend.

    I have no idea what you are on about regarding being vile, controlling and what not — baiting — this is all out of any context for me. I made some observations about the logic and logistics of the argument as presented. Now granted, lousy writer, and not very bright. However, my positions remain the same, I have a problem with the arguments foundations as they are not supported by historical events. I think in order to make a case for whiteness, it should be supported by the record on par, not merely selected. Science and socialization has rarely occurred in a vacuum. A claim about what whites invented as though the inventions are indicative of all whites i a very tough road. Contending that whites have a culture that I unique to white skin is also very tough. And while it may be reflective and effective to choose only that which supports one’s case, it might be a good idea to have answers for that which does not. Laying hold of science and technology as unique to whites is problematic, because so much of technology is built in something from somewhere and not all of them are white.

    Even the example about exploration is challenged because native americans in the southwest talked of trading with black men — no none associated with Europeans. There is so much about what we don’t know about the past. But what history does say is that civilizations come and go– they way and wane. Sure as the power dynamics shifted north, where most of the population was white, they were able to capitalize on the accumulated knowledge of civilizations past, present . . . whether this is some kind of white awakening — self realization of superiority or merely the circumstance of time and space are legitimate questions.

    But given that blacks exposed to the same avenues of knowledge, and achieve similar consequence, it challenges the notion of a superiority rooted in white skin.

    Further note: in my view, the article itself is bait, nit my response to it or others comments — save t adds to the whole.

    Expressing that someone is full of hot air is a response, but minus some content on point — well, who’s hot air is certainly in play. If my comments on skin color offend, you are invited to respond.

    Note: I would prefer that you avoid colorful language in response to my comments.
    No intention on my part to be vile, controlling or whatever compendium of vegetables you want add as descriptors.

    ————————-

    despite the rather nasty response to Dr. Sowell on his comments regarding IQ testing by whites, I find him very informatve and no slouch

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  127. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    Agreed.

    See my comment #89

  128. Ian Smith says:
    @Cliff

    One of the pay-ops they pull on us is to call us cowards while insisting there is nothing to be scared of. “Ha ha, you think black people are violent? They’ll kick your ass for saying that!”

  129. Trinity says:
    @Realist

    So is Agent76. A-76 might even be related to her. hehe.

  130. @EliteCommInc.

    Wow…just an amazing comment…..so insightful…..the depth of your analysis is breathtaking…..

  131. BlackFlag says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    What were the tenets of the religion he created?

  132. “‘No such thing as white culture’ people are funny. They generally have long lists about all the bad things that have been done by something that doesn’t exist.”

    Then explicate it. Spell it out name those attributes and practices that are soley white. Describe a belief, a practice that is only common among whites.

    Note I make the same press when it comes to any skin color — said may be assigned but whether it is actually unique, such that it cannot be adopted by any other person regardless of skin color.

    Once a people learn a skill, talent, how many excel at said skill is a matter of time and circumstance

    https://www.essence.com/news/detroit-girls-chess-team-wins-first-place-national-championships/

    just looked in a whim

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @Trinity
  133. “Wow…just an amazing comment…..so insightful…..the depth of your analysis is breathtaking…..”

    Your sarcasm is duly noted . . all I can say is

    “Opinions vary”

    Roadhouse

    actor Patrick Swayze

  134. @Trinity

    Sure…there are plenty of empty restaurants…your reply and replies on the thread indicates an interesting discussion…Thanks

    btw listening to that piece by Roy Harper probably can raise IQ’s significantly or at least one’s language skills and appreciation…

    • Replies: @Trinity
  135. “• Troll”

    In depth as usual. Maybe it’s made up. But if it’s not then there’s something miss about an argument about what blacks are capable of regarding activities considered European.

    I was just curious and selected that article there were others . . . .

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/05/12/chess-master-title-10-year-old-tani-adewumi/5052975001/

    • Troll: Rurik
  136. Trinity says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Well obviously Blacks, jews, and Browns have not learned enough skills to even maintain a successful nation or city that was built for them. For Blacks, the prime example are numerous but here are just a few samples, South Africa, Haiti, and former Rhodesia, along with cities in America like Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore, Chicago, among others. No need to mention the other Black nations that are shitholes. And lest we kid ourselves, Israel COULD NOT survive on its own without LEECHING off White nations. The place would not be much better than the average African shithole.

    Looks like building superior societies is a White attribute. Last I checked good ole Whitey invented the automobile, flight, television, radio, telephone, etc., etc., etc., etc.

    ROTFLMMFWAO.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  137. Trinity says:
    @Abdul Alhazred

    Who the hell is Roy Harper? One can see by my “replies” that I am a lover of music so maybe that is why I don’t know who the hell this Roy Harper clown is or was. “Who dat?”

    Cue: Born On The Bayou by CCR

  138. Trinity says:

    Never mind, I just did a search on some old dude named Roy Harper. Seems like a complete negrophile and (((Wiki))) describes him as “anti-religious.” Is this cat a Jew by chance. I did a quick search on some CD put out by this clown on Amazon and whizzed over one or tree comments. Seems this cat isn’t fond of Islam or Christianity, no mention of Judaism. So is this old dude a Jew by chance?

    I mean he checks off all the boxes, hates Western culture but the old geezer lives in England? LMAO. If this cat taint kosher, he is a PHONY, self hating White dude, who spent his life living in perhaps the Capitol of Western Culture, England, you know the culture he says he hates. LMAO at this PHONY douchebag.

    Seems like the clown is somewhat known, I never heard of that turd. You don’t have to have REAL talent to make it in the jew music industry if you are a jew or your politics are anti-White, no? Just look at some jews that made it. haha. That Leonard Cohen was a real talented guy, no? LMAO.

    Cue: Wanna Be A Rock & Roll Star by Eddie Money

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  139. @Robert Dolan

    Thanks. Just ordered the book.

  140. @Emblematic

    You couldn’t be more wrong. You have no understanding of those who make the accusation.

    It doesn’t matter how nicely you explain, clarify, backpeddle, or deconstruct your viewpoints, you will still never meet their pristine, perfect, hivemind definition of a non-racist. You will come off as a guilt-ridden weakling who, just as they expect, is kowtowing to their moral blackmail.

    Instead, wouldn’t it be refreshing to loudly proclaim, “Yes I am a racist. Not only am I proud to be a racist, I am 1000 times more moral than you are!” Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have 10 whites, 1 million whites, 100 million whites, courageously shouting the same thing to each and every leftist and their moron minions?

    That is the ONLY way to deal with this madness, because it automatically 100% defuses the one weapon these people have to control you. But hey, what do I know, you just keep on explaining and groveling and whatever and expect to see something different happening as a result, because so far none of it has had any effect on society swirling down the toilet into 3rd-world dystopia.

  141. Ron Unz says:
    @NEETzschean

    I was glancing through this comment-thread and noticed this rather strong claim:

    99.9%+ of people wouldn’t want Pierce in power because his vision entailed the global extermination of non-whites…

    Is that really correct? I remember listening to a number of Pierce’s archived radio broadcasts a few years ago, and don’t recall hearing that sort of thing, nor was it mentioned in the Griffin biography. Do you have a reasonable source for that?

    Some of the activist-types who didn’t like Pierce do have a notorious tendency to exaggerate and even invent. When I was writing my big “White Racialism” article last year, I noticed that Kevin MacDonald’s Wikipedia page flatly stated “He is active in the American neo-Nazi movement.” That certainly seemed a considerable exaggeration to me, so I’m doubtful about that claim regarding Pierce.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @NEETzschean
  142. Proof positive that whites cannot even be afforded our own place to air our grievances.Even here there are certain “elements” who choose to “educate” whitey of his so-called “failings”.
    Despicable.

  143. @Trinity

    Summed-up in three sentences:

    “Put Caucasians on an island and you get England. Put Orientals on an island and you get Japan. Put Blacks on an island and you get Haiti.” (Anonymous)

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  144. geokat62 says:

    When interviewers have asked me whether or not I am a racist, I have responded by asking, “Well, what do you mean by the word ‘racist’?” I’ve tried to wriggle out of giving a direct answer to the question.

    No need to wriggle. Just say, “I’m not a racist. I just have a healthy level of in-group preference.”

  145. Thomasina says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “In the US our primary branch lineage is Great Britain and then France. Anyone telling me about the unity of whites in harmonious dance is selling wooden nickles.”

    Sounds like most families. They might fight and argue with each other, but if an outsider comes into the picture, they will circle the wagons.

    Sounds like the African continent too. Tribes fighting and enslaving each other, selling each other to the highest bidder. But yet, have a white cop go after one of them, and suddenly there’s a harmonious dance. Shooting and killing each other every day of the year, but willing to put down their guns and join hands with their brothers to loot the nearest mall.

    There is a white culture. It just hasn’t expressed itself, not yet.

  146. “Well obviously Blacks, jews, and Browns have not learned enough skills to even maintain a successful nation or city that was built for them. For Blacks, the prime example are numerous but here are just a few samples, . . .”

    Here’s the error. kin color s not defacto a singular culture anymore than whiteness is a singular culture.

    Now when you start discussing nationalities and ethnic practices — you can identify unique beliefs and behaviors endemic to those identifiers/peoples — well , that in my mind is culture.

    I would go and reference Some African civilizations, who were builders in spades before Europeans. But before attempting to move on. I think I would have to have some agreement about what constitutes culture and skin color is simply not a factor. That is why inner city or urban whites and blacks share commonalities despite their kin color. City dwellers in Milwaukee share identifiable attributes with Bostonians, despite skin color. For many here, the idea that whiteness has no unique culture across space and time is very troubling. Its obvious that even nation building is not unique to whites. When the South Africans stumbled onto a small fortress they assumed that t must have been built by whites. It several decade to clarify the record. I once thought AA was a bad policy hurting blacks, reverse discrimination and what not — then I learned, Oooops, whites are the primary beneficiaries of AA. You might want to look up Axa, the Ghana of today is not the Ghana of the past.

    If I only lens through selected choices that feed my conclusion, then of course , I will point only to that which feeds my goals. In response I have provided some added perspectives and yet, the responses have remained largely the same

    personal, off range . . . In response your claim as I have noted previously, time and space has favored Europeans in accumulative knowledge. But what is obvious is that people of other colors, other cultures tap into the same streams, they produce in similar manner. I have no idea what nation that are predominantly black will produce or develop after the colonial period. Time will tell . . . you realize civilizations wax and wane. The power player today seems to be in the orient, it will be interesting how the Africans manage their remaining vast resources to leverage entering into the main conduit of the status quo’s wealth and power

    i

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  147. ““Put Caucasians on an island and you get England. Put Orientals on an island and you get Japan. Put Blacks on an island and you get Haiti.” (Anonymous)”

    Strange comparison Great Britain whose society was over run, beat down, darn near wiped and who fortunes came largely from being conquered and occupied by other nations. I am unfamiliar with Japanese history, but they will tell you in spades they are superior even to whites. But at least it will be a position predicted on culture as opposed to their yellow skin.

    The one singular press — technology to superiority — again history is replete with people of superior tech, who have waned.

  148. “Sounds like the African continent too. Tribes fighting and enslaving each other, selling each other to the highest bidder. But yet, have a white cop go after one of them, and suddenly there’s a harmonious dance. Shooting and killing each other every day of the year, but willing to put down their guns and join hands with their brothers to loot the nearest mall.”

    Well,

    looting malls is not unique to black citizens. but more importantly, very few black citizens engage in looting anyone. As is the case through the globe, it is not uncommon for the population that own the least wealth also seems to have higher of dysfunction —

    If you go to Russia beware of Magadan.

    but I think your previous comments have indicated some agreement. Whites have no unique culture that spans space and time. And history indicates that dynamic.

    If you care to look by the time whites arrived on the continent, the civilizations had developed into relatively peaceful alliances.

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  149. Trinity says:

    I think there are more German Americans than any other ethnicity in America or at least there used to be.

    As for the Island Nations. Best comparison ever was the compare and contrast in My Awakening by David Duke regarding Iceland and Haiti. That is a classic.

    Imagine Icelanders switching with Haitians? You know damn well Icelanders could make it in Haiti but how would those Haitians make out in Iceland? And lets not kid ourselves, the weather has nothing to do with it. Place the Negro in hot sticky New Orleans or snowy, cold Buffalo and/or Detroit and the results are the same.

    Miami or Little Latin America will probably be becoming even Browner thanks to what is happening in Cuba. You know the bleeding hearts will want to flood Florida with some of these yellow rice and black bean eaters. Look for 1980 all over again. As if Miami wasn’t already loaded with every kind of Beaner under the sun, not to mention Haitians, Dindus and various other “diversities.” We always hear about who the next Detroit will be due to Black destruction and decay. Well, look what the Brownies have done to Los Angeles.

    Saw Tucker tonight and even “our” military has begun to take part in transporting these Black and Brown “diversities” around the country. Coming to a state near you.

  150. @EliteCommInc.

    My God, what a mealy-mouthed apologia.

    You oversimplify issues into an amorphous, morally neutral mush. Any and all useful distinctions are willfully ignored. Like 90% of people today, you think this way because you have equality on the brain. Your mind is marinated in equality and you don’t even realize it. Which means that every subsequent thought you have is “equalized” in one way or another. Everything you think is unwittingly and erroneously conflated, genericized, over-generalized, oversimplified, and turned into false equivalences. It’s all very tawdry, tedious, tiresome, and trite.

  151. Ron Unz: “[Exterminationism] certainly seemed a considerable exaggeration to me, so I’m doubtful about that claim regarding Pierce. ”

    The claim is based, at least in part, on the epilogue to The Turner Diaries. Whites conclude their revolution against the System by exterminating all non-whites all over the world.

  152. @Sollipsist

    Simple stuff like leiderhosen, kilt or toga are also marks of a people. Its the whole notion our peoples somehow not being “diverse”

    I’d seen a graphic of European diversity showing attractive female soccer/football fans and it seemed far more “diverse” than would a similar graphic with lady fans of other nations.

    • Thanks: Sollipsist
  153. @Trinity

    Just another rock star child molester (alleged in his case). I am shocked to find out how many of the rock musicians I appreciated in my youth were child molesters and most of them seem to have gotten away with it. It would seem that Gary Glitter is no exception, most of the others (Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Bill Wyman, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, etc. etc.) were at it.

    If you want a very influential early British Jewish rock musician check out Alexis Korner.

    https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Korner

    He worked with all the greats in the early days.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  154. @Anon

    Jesus was not a Jew, Silly. That is the point of the virgin birth! And the new, universal man of love. He just claimed lineage, and pointed to the prophet Isaiah, to get into their heads. And like sand in their hair…

    It behooves you to realize that it is the Jews who most want you and all within Christendom to abandon Christianity. To weaken your spirit. It is right there in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Or am I wrong? Better to keep the faith.

    p.s. I do not know George Soros. Sounds like some kind of wicked magician. I hope he is not influential.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  155. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    It’s impossible to overemphasize how much the suicide of the West is bound up with Christian mythology.

    Actually, it’s very simple to overemphasize it, and you do so almost every time you post.

    While Christian writings (the bible and the musings of “church fathers”) are obvious nonsense, they are really secondary to the basic religious message that Christians spread, which accounts both for Christianity’s growth and its enduring popularity: that we’re all equal in the eyes of God, and that we’re all sinners but can find salvation and eternal life through the simple act of faith.

    That’s pretty attractive. After all, most of us have envied some person or another in our lives, so it’s gratifying to be told that those people aren’t “really” better than us in an ultimate sense; and all of us have aspects of our behaviors and personalities that we’re unhappy with, which it’s simple enough to view as “sins,” and it’s nice to think we can become better people through having faith and being forgiven for them.

    If we accept that, then any demands that scripture seems to make on us are not really very hard to give self-serving interpretations to, or even to simply ignore outright. What could be clearer than “it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”? How many rich Christians did that verse ever stop?

  156. @Che Guava

    He bought Resistance Records, not a stupid move at the time,IMHO.

    I understand it was quite the money spinner for the NA, so it made sense financially, but otherwise it was a terrible move. It’s hard to imagine that WNs could have created a worse image for themselves than the skinhead look and “white power” music. The NA managed to avoid the first of these (supposedly anyway; I wasn’t there) but eventually succumbed to the second. An obvious case of an own-goal.

    Although it’s not really a laughing matter, what’s funny about WN is not that it’s done so poorly – although it certainly is done poorly – but that it’s done so poorly when the opportunities to do it well positively abound. With whites being racially and culturally disadvantaged left and right – and now white existence itself being toxified – it’s quite mystifying (and extremely disappointing) that WNs haven’t had more of a political impact.

  157. @Carroll Price

    And put Blacks into a city and you get DETROIT:

  158. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    “Herrenvolk” (master race) was a term periodically used by Hitler and shows up in his speeches scattered around in different places. The fact that Hitler also sometimes spoke contemptuously of average Germans doesn’t contradict this as an element of his ideology. Hitler was a strong believer in the idea of himself as “der Fuehrer” (the leader) and any inconsistencies among his remarks about Germans simply highlighted the necessity of the leader’s role. That itself is not a strange idea since it often happens that disparate abilities among members of a group may be obscured by an effective leader.

  159. Pierce was a very intelligent man who not only had a good grasp of the JQ and current cultural and political developments, but also could communicate in a clear way his insights to the public. Again and again he stressed the importance for Whites to create their own media.

    He didn’t advocate actively for violence but he did fantasize about it, not only in his two novels The Turner Diaries and Hunter, but also in his book about the history of the white race, called Who We Are and in his broadcasts of American Dissident Voices.

    I remember having read in Who We Are that he regretted that the Greek Indo-European tribes who invaded Greece in Antiquity did not exterminate the local Mediterranean population, and that Alexander the Great should have genocided all the peoples he conquered instead of bringing Hellenism to them.

    In one of his broadcasts his advice to the Whites of Rhodesia was to exterminate all Blacks. There is hardly any broadcast of his in which he does not express his wish that certain people should be hanged (from lampposts, from trees etc.).

    Pierce’s worth is not in his frustrated violent fantasies, but in his intellectual insights. Fortunately the National Vanguard under its present competent leadership of Kevin Alfred Strom, continues his intellectual tradition without his violent fantasies.

  160. GFH3 says:

    You can fantasize about robbing a bank without being guilty of bank robbery. You can lust after (covet) your neighbor’s wife without being guilty of adultery (Jesus and Moses would perhaps disagree). And Pierce could fantasize about racial extermination without being guilty of it. He never urged whites to kill blacks or Jews; that was not part of his program. It was part only of his fantasies and those of many of his followers. His program called for racial separation (period). He and they would have been well satisfied with just that. Wouldn’t you?

  161. silviosilver: “Actually, it’s very simple to overemphasize it, and you do so almost every time you post.”

    Three paragraphs of distracting blather, and Silverman here doesn’t once touch the issue I was responding to: how Christianity, through whites trying to follow Christ’s example, has caused the suicide of the West.

    Fucken kikes.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  162. G. Poulin says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    The scriptural evidence says that Trinity is correct. The entire Sermon on the Mount is a manual for the internal regulation of the church, not a set of universal principles to be applied to everyone in all circumstances. If you look at the examples of “enmity” that Jesus suggests must be tolerated, you see that it is pretty petty stuff —someone steals your cloak or makes you walk farther than you wanted to. Hardly mortal enmity. He isn’t saying “If someone rapes your daughter, then give him your other daughter to rape too!” That’s simply not his point. I agree that Western Christianity has developed suicidal tendencies over the course of its history, but I would suggest that this has more to do with Augustine and his guilt-inducing theology of “utter depravity” than with anything said or done by Christianity’s founder.

  163. CSFurious says:
    @Robert Dolan

    What is the “CofC”? Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  164. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    doesn’t once touch the issue I was responding to

    The vast majority of Christians don’t act or think anything like the way you accuse them of. I outlined what the core of their “Christian belief” consists of (equality in the eyes of God and salvation) and gave an example of how easy it is for them to ignore demands to radically alter their values or behavior to bring them more in line with what might appear to be the requirements of scripture. Imo, that completely shoots down your thesis.

    Instead of responding to that, you denounce me as a Jew. Well, for fyi, I am not Jewish, neither by “faith” nor by blood.

  165. @CSFurious

    “Culture of Critique,” a book by Kevin MacDonald.

    • Replies: @Blackstone
  166. “You oversimplify issues into an amorphous, morally neutral mush. Any and all useful distinctions are willfully ignored. Like 90% of people today, you think this way because you have equality on the brain. Your mind is marinated in equality and you don’t even realize it. Which means that every subsequent thought you have is “equalized” in one way or another. Everything you think is unwittingly and erroneously conflated, genericized, over-generalized, oversimplified, and turned into false equivalences. It’s all very tawdry, tedious, tiresome, and trite.”

    I was hoping to depart from these waters. but I hate to appear rude by not responding.

    I don’t think I have said a word about equality or equity (heading that off at the pass). My comments have nothing to do with either. People are not all the same. I don’t think I can dispute that nor would. We are not all “equal” with respect to biology. I absolutely grant that some people have genetics that gives them a better something or other. Two weeks ago if the story is correct some four or five year girl was entered into mensa with and IQ above 140 – that’s just bizarre. I was fortunate to be walking at seven. So clearly biology has an impact on a person’s being.

    As opposed to your comments, I have made very specific references. There’s nothing generic about the nature of how civilizations have developed. I love great britain, she has left the US a very sound foundation is most aspects of political thought. But she did not get there because the whites of Great Britain were endowed with some special essence linked to white skin. Her history is rife with vandals, marauders, it said that nearly her entire male population was nearly wiped out to man. And hat was after the Romans. Germany’s history is one a large band of pillagers, who actually adopted and learned the culture they have now. The Greeks exchanged with the Egyptians, the Persians . . . generis, generalized . . . those are actual socialization dynamics.

    History can certainly be tedious. I won’t agree on whether it is trite or my presentation of it is trite.
    ————

    The problem is noted by a previous commenter and I think it will need some thought to resolve and describe — there is no “white culture” that one could use as model. One would have to be created. And given the premise of the article. The comments by advocates there is some very hard work to be done. Because at the moment,

    what has been ascribed to whites uniquely are general attributes that nonwhites abide. I was serious when I noted some factors that would have to be considered.

    ———–

    “As for the Island Nations. Best comparison ever was the compare and contrast in My Awakening by David Duke regarding Iceland and Haiti. That is a classic.”

    I am unclear how to respond to Mr.David Duke “wokism”. But those comparisons are very effectual or accurate. We really have destroyed the value of classical logic.

    If want to test test differences to some variable, in this case skin color I guess. Then you have to compare via similar environments, circumstances etc.

  167. By all accounts a great teacher, dedicated man, intellectual.

    But nobody followed him, to any noticeable effect afaik.
    I have read that his property was swindled by one of his own followers, like another called Rockwell, killed by one of his own followers.
    There was a CI pastor Butler (?) who opened a compound for WNs in Idaho (I think), when they had drunk all the beer, they left.
    There are others similar, Harold Covington …

    How to take these people seriously ?
    Who needs friends/allies/followers like them ?

  168. silviosilver: “Imo, that completely shoots down your thesis.”

    Pay no attention to the fact you’ve adopted an ideology of suicide, goy. That has nothing at all to do with your actual suicide. It’s just a coincidence!

    silviosilver: “Instead of responding to that, you denounce me as a Jew. Well, for fyi, I am not Jewish, neither by “faith” nor by blood. ”

    LOL no, of course not.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  169. @silviosilver

    A most excellent book. Probably the Ultimate red pill on the Tribe.

  170. G. Poulin: “If you look at the examples of “enmity” that Jesus suggests must be tolerated, you see that it is pretty petty stuff —someone steals your cloak or makes you walk farther than you wanted to. ”

    What contrafactual nonsense. Calvary is the centerpiece of Christianity. This imaginary figure, Jesus, allows himself to be crucified by non-Christian Roman soldiers when he could easily have prevented this, and then he forgives them. He urges his followers to do likewise; to also let themselves be killed. Petty stuff? LOL.

    G. Poulin: “I agree that Western Christianity has developed suicidal tendencies over the course of its history, but I would suggest that this has more to do with Augustine and his guilt-inducing theology of “utter depravity” than with anything said or done by Christianity’s founder. ”

    It’s all rotten, the entire life-hating Christian worldview wrong and corrupting.

  171. Arthur MacBride: “But nobody followed him, to any noticeable effect afaik.”

    Tim McVeigh made quite an impression on a lot of people. But needless to say, McVeigh the mass murderer wasn’t “respectable”, not at all the type of member Pierce wanted to attract. So on the whole, you’re right. By now it should be clear there’s something essentially fuckwitted about trying to recruit people from within the system into your organization; insisting you only want “respectable” people. One would think it should be obvious that these so-called respectable people are respectable, and have attained the position they have within the system, precisely because they share the system’s values. But that was an observation that Pierce never made, nor has anyone else on America’s racial right. Targeting their recruitment efforts on people who by definition hate them goes a long way towards explaining why they have failed so pathetically.

    Tom Metzger used to say that his followers should regard themselves as secret agents, spies and saboteurs working behind enemy lines. But most people can’t live like that. These recruitment efforts may work well enough to keep the owners of a few websites afloat, but as a revolutionary strategy it’s absurd, a guaranteed failure.

  172. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Pay no attention to the fact you’ve adopted an ideology of suicide, goy.

    If it’s an ideology of suicide, I wonder why it took nearly two thousand years for whites to start committing it.

    Christianity is a universal religion, so it can obviously be used to justify multiracialism. I never claimed there weren’t any problems with it. I merely pointed out that it is, contrary to your claim, quite easy to overemphasize its role in white decline.

  173. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    but as a revolutionary strategy it’s absurd, a guaranteed failure.

    I agree. What is needed is a more practical strategy, like getting race-loyal whites to ditch Christianity and destroy the entire technological system.

  174. @Ron Unz

    I have no desire to exaggerate or invent, I come from a white nationalist background that was strongly sympathetic to Pierce and I still agree with many of his positions. I also think he’s far more intellectually consistent and serious than the likes of Johnson or Taylor. I remember reading Johnson’s horrified response to the idea of exterminating all non-whites so whites couldn’t breed with them (“even the Japanese!” Pierce was a psychopath!”

    Pierce typically portrayed a more moderate image in his radio broadcasts and especially his public appearances. When he was a guest on “Race and Reason” for example he made statements which could be interpreted as though he just favoured the forced repatriation of non-whites to their nations of origin. However, we see the real Pierce in “The Turner Diaries” and his only non-fiction book “Who We Are”:

    “This catastrophic mixing of bloods has occurred over and over again in the history and prehistory of our race, and each time it has been lethal. The knowledge of this has been with us a long time, but it has always failed us in the end. The Hellenes of Sparta and Athens both strove to keep their blood pure, but both ultimately perished. The only way they could have survived would have been to eliminate the entire indigenous population, either through expulsion or extermination, from the areas of the Mediterranean world in which they settled.

    “To drive them off the land or wipe them out completely would, from a strictly economic viewpoint, be akin to dumping captured gold into the ocean.”

    “Such an action could be justified to a conquering tribe of Indo-Europeans only if they were willing to subordinate all economic considerations to the goal of maintaining their racial integrity into the indefinite future—and if they also had a sufficiently deep understanding of history to foresee the inevitability of racial mixing wherever two races are in close proximity. Unfortunately, even where the will for racial survival was very strong, the foresight was insufficient. Measures which were quite adequate to prevent racemixing for a few generations, or even for a few centuries, broke down over the course of a thousand years or more.

    Pierce approvingly quotes Hitler in “The Measure of Greatness”:

    “And so the National Socialist philosophy of life corresponds to the
    innermost will of Nature, since it restores that free play of forces which
    must lead to a continuous mutual higher breeding, until finally the best of
    humanity, having achieved possession of this earth
    , will have a free play for
    activity in domains which will lie partly above it and partly outside it.

    We all sense that in the distant future humanity must be faced by problems
    which only a highest race, become master people and supported by the
    means and possibilities of an entire globe, will be equipped to overcome

    Thus, the highest purpose of a National Socialist state is concern for the
    preservation of those original racial elements
    which bestow culture and
    create the beauty and dignity of a higher mankind. We, as Aryans, can
    conceive of the state only as the living organism of a nationality which not
    only assures the preservation of this nationality, but by the development of
    its spiritual and ideal abilities leads it to the highest freedom…”

    The final line of “The Turner Diaries”:

    “just 110 years after the birth of the ‘Great One’, the dream of a white world finally became a certainty… and the Order would spread its wise and benevolent rule over the earth for all time to come.”

    From his broadcast “Hardheaded Altruism”

    “When one has a world overcrowded with races competing for a limited living area and limited resources, there will be genocides. The feminine altruists cannot face that hard fact, and their activities simply guarantee a bloodier and more destructive genocide in the end. The masculine altruists, on the other hand, should be capable of imposing a necessary discipline in order to preserve the health of a beleaguered planet and permit its most valuable life forms to continue developing, instead of being dragged down by the least valuable.”

    Pierce was of the view that on a technologically advanced and integrated planet, the only way to prevent racial mixing in the long-term was to exterminate all non-whites. However, I don’t think this would necessarily work. It’s possible that in the future, scientists would become liberal and humanistic again and would de-extinct the races that past whites had exterminated. This would then open the door to race-mixing once again, although it’s more likely that in the long-term race would be an obsolete classification with humans having been replaced by cyborgs or machines.

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  175. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Aside from the interview with Art Bell where Pierce talks in more detail about Kaczynski from the 50 minute point, he also briefly mentioned Luddism in “Who We Are”:

    “It should also be clear that the way to clean up the present mess our race has gotten itself into and avoid getting into a similar mess in the future lies not in a cultural retrogression or Luddite-like suppression of, technological progress but in bringing the biological progress of the race once again into line with its cultural progress.”

  176. silviosilver: “What is needed is a more practical strategy, like getting race-loyal whites to ditch Christianity and destroy the entire technological system. ”

    The technological system is destroying itself, and the only questions are whether it will collapse before or after whites go extinct, and whether it will collapse by some accident, or by a deliberate act. So something like that, yes.

    silviosilver: “If it’s an ideology of suicide, I wonder why it took nearly two thousand years for whites to start committing it.”

    It didn’t. They started committing it when they started worshiping a Jew as God. But completion of the act has had to wait until the other parts of the technological system could catch up.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  177. “Never mind about that!”

    I am occasional listener to jazz, and generally enjoy smooth sounds . . . nice beat and rhythm, though it would be nice to understand the language.

  178. NEETzschean: (Quoting Pierce) “… the future lies not in a cultural retrogression or Luddite-like suppression of, technological progress but in bringing the biological progress of the race once again into line with its cultural progress.”

    To foresee a future for distinct biological races at all now seems quaint, even unrealistic. And of course, this sort of 1930s eugenics approach explicitly favoring the white race could only be embarked on “once we take power”, so it’s a pipe dream unless political organizing along NS lines could take place. All indications are it won’t, and can’t.

  179. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    One would think it should be obvious that these so-called respectable people are respectable, and have attained the position they have within the system, precisely because they share the system’s values.

    Well, no, a lot of people are careerist opportunists that will pretend to believe in whatever gets them status. Most people will say anything if it will help them get laid.

    That’s why many so-called white nationalists don’t actually marry or breed with whites. Because they can’t.

  180. Cho Seung-Hui: “Well, no, a lot of people are careerist opportunists that will pretend to believe in whatever gets them status. ”

    Those people would be the least likely to join an organization like Pierce’s.

    Cho Seung-Hui: “Most people will say anything if it will help them get laid. That’s why many so-called white nationalists don’t actually marry or breed with whites. Because they can’t. ”

    To place no value on race IS a system value.

  181. anarchyst says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    –McVeigh didn’t do it…

    He could not have done the massive destruction. He was a “patsy” who was peripherally involved, being contracted to drive a truck and park it.

    The whole OKC investigation is full of holes and was tainted from the start.
    The intent was for McVeigh to be stopped and arrested. His missing license plate was removed by those involved and was part of the “plan” to pin the whole affair on him. If he had done it, he would not have stopped for the police.

    Notice how quickly McVeigh was tried and executed, “witnesses” being the families who lost loved ones in that “operation”, being paraded through the trial, normally emotional anecdotal “evidence” is not admissible or permitted to be introduced as “evidence” but was allowed and was rampant throughout the McVeigh trial.

    There were critical ATF, FBI, and Justice Department records that needed to disappear in order to keep the “shadow government” from being discovered.

    In a normal investigation, evidence is preserved for weeks, months, and even years. Not so with OKC, as the debris from the Murrah buildng was carted off almost immediately under armed guard.

    There were explosives planted within the building. “Utility and maintenance workers” were observed going in and out of the building, wiring up the building for charges, being observed dealing with “blue barrels” that (presumably) held explosive charges. There is NO WAY a truck bomb could do so much damage as the building across the street was unscathed.

    FBI and ATF agents were also advised to “stay home” that day. It is clear that the destruction of the Murrah building was a government “operation”.

    The OKC “bombing” was implemented for a multitude of reasons, one being the destruction of critical government records as well an attempt to defuse the growing “militia movement” which was gaining strength in “flyover country”.

    The OKC bombing rates right up there with WTC 9-11 as being a successful government “operation”.

  182. Ron Unz says:
    @NEETzschean

    The final line of “The Turner Diaries”:

    Well, the Turner Diaries was fiction, mostly aimed at extreme activist-types, so I’m not sure its closing few paragraphs can really be considered as strong evidence.

    Back in my younger years, I read a great deal of Science Fiction, and all sorts of mass-exterminations weren’t uncommon, but I’m not sure that necessarily can be used to prove the sentiments of the author.

    Or take Jack London. Around 1900, he wrote a story in which the West uses biological warfare to totally exterminate the entire population of China. Yet London is still on all sorts of approved reading lists.

    As for your other quotes, they seem more to suggest and imply rather than to state. Counting all his broadcasts and his non-fiction writings, I’d assume that Pierce’s content comes to a million words or more. If the strongest thing you can find among them are three or four suggestive sentences, I’d have to say “Not Proven.”

    By contrast, don’t forget that Kaufman book published in 1940, which explicitly called for the total extermination of Germany’s entire population, and got favorable quotes from the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Time Magazine.

    Isn’t that an awful lot stronger than anything you’ve been able to locate by digging through everything Pierce ever said or wrote?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    • Thanks: thotmonger
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @NEETzschean
  183. This is all good enough as far as it goes — but Pierce went a lot further.

    Specifically, and if I recall aright, he ends The Turner Diaries with a happy future in which the Whites exterminate everybody else on the planet in a massive genocidal orgy.

    A return to Jim Crow is one thing, but advocating the greatest act of mass murder in human history is another. Morality aside, I don’t see it as even necessary.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  184. @Ron Unz

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. I assume you don’t take Kaufman as a moral guide, and London’s story is actually about a genocidal response to a Chinese attempt at global conquest, undertaken only when all other measures have failed.

  185. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    ‘Tom Metzger used to say that his followers should regard themselves as secret agents, spies and saboteurs working behind enemy lines. But most people can’t live like that. These recruitment efforts may work well enough to keep the owners of a few websites afloat, but as a revolutionary strategy it’s absurd, a guaranteed failure.’

    On the other hand, has there ever been a successful revolutionary movement against a confident, ideologically intact status quo?

    Whether it’s the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, or India’s struggle for independence, isn’t the sin qua non that first the established order must come to doubt itself, to see its own premises as invalid, etc? The British have to agree they should quit India, the consensus among the chattering classes must be that autocracy is indefensible, etc.

    Given that, the correct strategy at least at first is not to pursue some ‘revolutionary struggle’ — those only work as a coup de grace to a tottering regime. First one has to make the regime totter. That implies effectively subverting its ideology.

    …a lot of work, and a whole lot less romance, but perhaps the only path to victory. Lenin could never have overthrown Nicolas I, and Warren Hastings would have been quite unmoved by a Gandhi.

  186. Besides his persistent genocidal fantasies, Pierce had also another dark side in his character. Here is a disclosure by his successor Erich Gliebe:

    “…Recent revelations from the current NA chairman, Erich Gliebe, and his former wife paint a more deviant portrait of William Pierce as a sex-starved, manipulative sociopath. Pierce, they say, ran naked around his compound, was obsessed with pornography (an industry he routinely blamed Jews for creating) and used his membership list as a dating service, trolling for twenty-something females foolish enough to apply for a “staff position” at the NA headquarters in rural West Virginia.

    In a 3,800 word essay published online and on Facebook, Gliebe’s ex-wife, Erika, alleged Pierce once tricked a young woman into a sexual relationship with him on the false promise of having a family with her. The woman eventually learned Pierce had a vasectomy more than 30 years prior.

    To a handful of insiders in the racist movement, this is old news. Erich Gliebe is known to have privately made most of the disclosures found in his ex-wife’s essay for years. And many of the charges seem to have been previously substantiated.

    One of the women allegedly lured into a sexual relationship with Pierce, Suzanne Flynn, outlined Pierce’s betrayal in a post on the Instauration Yahoo Group message forum in February 2003. “I had been involved with Bill [William Pierce] for almost a year before I started worrying about why I wasn’t getting pregnant, whereupon he revealed that he had had a vasectomy over 30 years ago, right after his twin sons were born,” Flynn wrote.

    Pierce, at the time of his relationship with Flynn, was still married to his fifth wife, Sevdi, who lived with him in a trailer on the NA property. Flynn was ostensibly hired as Pierce’s “assistant.” The two of them took up residence in a small cabin down the road from the NA compound. “He brought me to live with him in our own house in West Virginia while his last wife was leaving him,” Flynn wrote.

    In the same post, Flynn threatened to release pornographic images and videos of her and William Pierce if Erich Gliebe did not return her vehicle and other property she left at the NA compound. “If [Gliebe] would return my car and my stuff to me, then I would happily not publish anything detrimental to the NA, i.e. nude interactive pictures, videos, etc., on my website, “http://www.nsrus.com,” Flynn wrote.

    Erich Gliebe has also made disturbing disclosures about Pierce’s sexual appetites over the years. In a recorded conversation with Kevin Strom in April 2005, Gliebe claimed Pierce used to walk naked around the NA property and after his death, Gliebe said he discovered Pierce’s computers were “loaded with porn…”

    Source: SPLC, Sordid Supremacists, Allegations of sexual misconduct haunt the National Alliance.

    The SPLC is hardly an impartial source, but in this case they got information from (formal) members of the National Alliance itself.

  187. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    It didn’t. They started committing it when they started worshiping a Jew as God.

    As Christians, they conquered and spread their seed across four continents (N&S America, N Eurasia, and Australasia) and until very recently owned them lock, stock and barrel. Not exactly “suicidal” in my book. But there’s little point in rehearsing this story to people with an axe to grind.

  188. Rurik says:
    @Colin Wright

    Specifically, and if I recall aright, he ends The Turner Diaries with a happy future in which the Whites exterminate everybody else on the planet in a massive genocidal orgy.

    Out of curiosity, I’d just wonder, as a sort of academic hypothetical…

    If blacks had their druthers, would they exterminate whites off the planet?

    Let’s just say, for instance that South Africa was all there was of the world, and the blacks there would never be accountable to anyone for what happened.. do you think if they could do so, that they’d collectively elect to wipe out the white race entirely?

    We all know what the Haitians did when it was their turn to decide, but then they were former slaves, and so that do-doubt colored their sentiments.

    But take the blacks of America. In some kind of hypothetical world, where they could do whatever they wanted sans any accountability, would the members of the Congressional Black Caucus, and BLM, and Colon Kaepernick and the Obamas and Maxine and LeBron James and the “reverends”,

    and, I’d say 90 something % of the black people in America and likely the rest of the world..

    ..would they if they could, wish for the ultimate and total genocide of the white race off the planet for all eternity?

    We already know how the blacks of Zimbabwe feel about whites, even if it means that they’d starve without them. Their hatred is so murderous and genocidal, that they’d want the whites gone even if it means they’ll go too.

    Or take ‘the Jews’, for that matter.

    If it could be put to the Jewish people, that not just all Germans, but all white Gentiles could, on their vote, be permanently eradicated for all eternity, what do you suppose they’d vote for, eh?

    Just imagine, a planet where they’d be the undisputed masters. Where they can treat all the other tribes and races as their chattel slaves, to humiliate or kill on a whim, if only they could be done with the and persistent white race- who continues to “persecute” them century after century, and stubbornly refuses! to get on their knees in abject homage to the chosen ones!

    What, Colin Wright to you suppose they’d do in their hearts, if they had their druthers?

    Not 100% of them of course, but let’s say in the high 90 percentiles?

    Now let’s suppose that Rurik’s theory has some merit, even if (I admit) I may be wrong on the actual percentages, (I doubt ; ).

    If, it’s true, that a majority of blacks (and/or) Jews with whom whites are so often ‘blessed’ to live among- secretly (or not so secretly as Mr. Unz’s post above demonstrates), passionately pine and agitate for the extermination of those whites, to a man, woman and child, then is there any reason why those whites would want to have those particular people living along side them in their (often ancient) homelands?

    Which came first, the white people’s exasperation with some races eternal demands that they (literally) bow down to them (BLM, AIPAC) in homage?! And failing that, commit ethno-suicide?

    Or the occasional white people’s desire to no longer live and raise their children along side such people?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  189. silviosilver: “As Christians, they conquered and spread their seed across four continents (N&S America, N Eurasia, and Australasia) … Not exactly “suicidal” in my book.”

    LOL. “Spread their seed” they did, into all the indigenes, and even imported negroes, their “brothers in Christ”. The mixing of the continental races on a grand scale was only enabled by the technology that Silverman, of course, celebrates, just as he celebrates the suicidal ideology of Christianity. And why not? Race mixing is good for goys!

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  190. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    They actually tried to keep themselves pure, both in north and south America. They just had unrealistic ideas about how that could be done, particularly in south America. The point is they attempted it, all while being quite devoutly Christian.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  191. @Rurik

    ‘Out of curiosity, I’d just wonder, as a sort of academic hypothetical…

    ‘If blacks had their druthers, would they exterminate whites off the planet?’

    I’d rather not find out, but happily, they could only acquire that sort of power if we chose to give it to them. It’s a bit like worrying about what homicidal impulses your cat may entertain.

    Equally to the point, their moral shortcomings wouldn’t justify moral lapses on our part. We’re better, remember?

    I’m tired of caring for them, but I don’t want to kill them.

    …and I don’t think it’s even necessary. Try just not egging them on — and of course, don’t be such a damned fool as to let them live around you.

    As I keep pointing out, (a) Jim Crow worked, and (b) most of our resentment of blacks has to do more with what we’ve encouraged them to become than what they actually are.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  192. @Commentator Mike

    For decades, the charts always had a song or two about the joys of underage girls. From Jerry Lee Lewis to The Knack, many artists pretty much made a career out of it, not to mention Benny Mardones’ one-hit-wonder…

    Not to apologize for these guys, but living a life based on adolescent outlook and fantasies, a lot of it probably didn’t strike them as any more ‘wrong’ at the time than drug use or obscene language. Underage sex as a whole had a lot of weird double-standards throughout history, and especially within the mid-century rural/working class and black culture from which rock drew a lot of its inspiration.

    After all, the ideal of feminine beauty is still based on youth, and the ideal of male virility still compels older guys to look for younger women. Not surprised so many people (especially those with some exaggerated sense of personal privilege, like rock stars and the wealthy in general) take it to undesirable extremes.

  193. @silviosilver

    ‘They actually tried to keep themselves pure, both in north and south America. They just had unrealistic ideas about how that could be done, particularly in south America. The point is they attempted it, all while being quite devoutly Christian.’

    I recall going to a old-fashioned restaurant in rural South Carolina (this would have been about 2000).

    The kitchen staff were all black as spades — I mean, genuine, 100% black blacks. Not the sort who wind up in Biden’s cabinet. The waitresses were all these blond, blue-eyed Highland Scots types.

    Those Highlanders have been in South Carolina for over two hundred years now. Yet at least some of them have kept themselves quite pure.

  194. Rurik says:
    @Colin Wright

    but happily, they could only acquire that sort of power if we chose to give it to them.

    Didn’t Rhodesia and South Africa willingly hand over power (and their destinies) to blacks?

    And isn’t the Western world, even as I write this, willingly and irrevocably
    handing over their national (even civilizational) destinies and the fate of their children and grandchildren over to resentful and hostile non-whites, at a fevered pace?

    Equally to the point, their moral shortcomings wouldn’t justify moral lapses on our part. We’re better, remember?

    Does sacrificing your nation’s future and your children and their children, on the pyres of status-whoring wokenes, and advantages for yourself personally, make anyone a better person for it?

    Is Joe Biden (or Johnson or Macron or Merkel or Trudeau…) a better person for favoring blacks and browns and wokeness, over his fellow white Americans (or Brits or French or Germans or Canadians..)?

    I’m tired of caring for them, but I don’t want to kill them.

    Well, I hope not!

    I doubt most decent people of any race really are keen to slaughter and genocide others. But then what do you do when your opponents are not decent people?

    What are the South African whites to do, if (when) the blacks decide to slaughter them?

    Would you judge and condemn a Palestinian for killing a Jewish settler who squats on his family’s centuries old lands? Having murdered his ancestors in order to steal it. Would you judge a German for killing a Jew who demands the genocide of all Germans?

    Like you, I abhor violence, but would never rule it out, when my life or the lives of my loved ones are at stake.

    I hope it never comes to violence, but if it does, would you succumb to your enemies, if the alternative would be to kill them?

    …and I don’t think it’s even necessary. Try just not egging them on — and of course, don’t be such a damned fool as to let them live around you.

    As they are consolidating power, even as we speak, isn’t this a little like putting one’s head in the sand?

    How many times must a person move from Detroit to Miami to Des Moines, only to be followed relentlessly until there’s nowhere left to run to, before he turns and fights?

    White people are not moving into non-white places. Rather they’re doing all they can to escape the ravages of non-white crime and hatred and ethno-hegemony, only to be badgered to the ends of the earth.

    Is there ever a point when they’re justified to stand and fight?

    …most of our resentment of blacks has to do more with what we’ve encouraged them to become than what they actually are.

    I’ve always maintained that blacks are not intrinsically bad people. A lot of them I know are decent, fine folks, all around.

    But the reality today is that they have been encouraged to become race-hatred consumed monsters by the ((usual suspects)), and that forces white people to deal with realities, and not rainbow land unicorns where ‘diversity is our strength.

    Just sayin..

  195. Colin Wright: “On the other hand, has there ever been a successful revolutionary movement against a confident, ideologically intact status quo? Whether it’s the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, or India’s struggle for independence, isn’t the sin qua non that first the established order must come to doubt itself, to see its own premises as invalid, etc? The British have to agree they should quit India, the consensus among the chattering classes must be that autocracy is indefensible, etc.”

    What about the American Revolution? It seems to me that George III wasn’t suffering any crisis of confidence. And what about the too-numerous-to-count revolutions in S. America and Africa? Are we supposed to think that in every case, the deposed regime suffered from psychological problems? Not credible.

    Your way of looking at it reminds me of MacDonald’s ideas; the excuses he makes for what Christians themselves decided to do. “Those dirty Jews worked to undermine white people’s confidence!” he whines. LOL. What counts for more is the technological situation. Does it favor change, or not? Tocqueville, for example, says that it was technological change that caused democracy to prevail over autocracy. In our time, the situation has changed again, and now the forces of technological change favor a shift to totalitarian government, and there is no light at the end of that particular tunnel that I can see. But in a way, for aspiring fascists, that might even be considered a good thing. All you have to do then is take over an existing totalitarian apparatus. Simple, right? LOL. But try it in a totalitarian Christian culture where the anti-racist ideology of “the brotherhood of man” dominates, and you quickly find out how futile your efforts will be. Pierce found out, Metzger found out, and so did Rockwell. The contemporary racial right has of course learned nothing from their failures. The website owners and grifters of the merchant racial right will be happy to go on trying the same failed strategy for as long as they can find enough “respectable” suckers to keep them afloat.

    Colin Wright: “… the correct strategy at least at first is not to pursue some ‘revolutionary struggle’ — those only work as a coup de grace to a tottering regime. First one has to make the regime totter. That implies effectively subverting its ideology.”

    The white man believes in only two things: his technology and the crucified rabbi’s suicidal, race-mixing creed. To recover his freedom and stop committing racial suicide, both will have to be subverted. Fortunately, it’s doable, and doesn’t require a political organization. Whether it will be done or not only the future will tell.

  196. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    ‘Colin Wright: “On the other hand, has there ever been a successful revolutionary movement against a confident, ideologically intact status quo? Whether it’s the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, or India’s struggle for independence, isn’t the sin qua non that first the established order must come to doubt itself, to see its own premises as invalid, etc? The British have to agree they should quit India, the consensus among the chattering classes must be that autocracy is indefensible, etc.”

    ‘What about the American Revolution? It seems to me that George III wasn’t suffering any crisis of confidence. And what about the too-numerous-to-count revolutions in S. America and Africa? Are we supposed to think that in every case, the deposed regime suffered from psychological problems? Not credible…’

    Here, one has to define what one means by ‘revolution.’ The American ‘Revolution’ was not a Revolution in a social sense — no one was planning to take Mount Vernon away from George Washington — but a bid for independence on the part of an outlying province.

    The ‘revolutions’ in Latin America and Africa tend to be simple struggles for political power rather than serious attempts at more substantial change, etc.

    Obviously, there are infinite shades and combinations of meaning. However, if you want a ‘revolution’ in the sense of restoring white hegemony in the United States, the battle is to undermine the ideological foundation of the ancien regime — not to stockpile guns and ammunition. You’ll win when you’ve done the former, not the latter. By the time the guns come out, the battle will have already been won or lost. If it’s thirty two thousand fruitcakes against everyone else, you can forget it — no matter how much ordnance you’ve got. If you’ve got a hundred and thirty million followers — and everybody else is unsure — you may not have to fire a shot.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  197. geokat62 says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    What counts for more is the technological situation. Does it favor change, or not?

    Values preempt technological change. Technological advancements (e.g., understanding the properties of uranium) can be put to good use (generating electricity) or bad use (producing depleted uranium warheads). It’s the overarching values of a society that matter. In a healthy society, people are encouraged to embrace what is good, beautiful, true. In unhealthy societies, they are encouraged to embrace the opposite… what is evil, ugly, and false.

    Thanks to our hostile elites, we’re currently living in unhealthy societies.

  198. @Colin Wright

    Those Highlanders have been in South Carolina for over two hundred years now. Yet at least some of them have kept themselves quite pure.

    Well sure, segregation is the next best thing to racially exclusive territory, which is the only real guarantor of long-term racial integrity. But segregation can work pretty well too, and is certainly superior to the elaborate caste system that was attempted in south America.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  199. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    ‘…Pierce found out, Metzger found out, and so did Rockwell…’

    But there you are. Pierce, at least, would seem to be a murderous asshole, to be frank. If the choice is between him and the current regime, I’m going fishing — and so are most reasonable people.

    Extremism has its charms, but you’ve got to win the middle. That’s what it is all about.

    The trick is making the ‘middle’ into what you want it to be. Right now, it’s worship blacks, and legal immigration, and Israel is our ally, and so on. That’s what has to be shifted. A consensus needs to be built for — these would be my choices — restrictions on blacks, and no more immigration, and Israel can take care of herself. Your idea might be to kill all the blacks and deport everyone who’s not white and recognize Hamas as the legal government of all of Palestine — but you won’t win with that platform.

    You’ll lose.

  200. geokat62: “Values preempt technological change. Technological advancements (e.g., understanding the properties of uranium) can be put to good use (generating electricity) or bad use (producing depleted uranium warheads). It’s the overarching values of a society that matter. In a healthy society, people are encouraged to embrace what is good, beautiful, true. In unhealthy societies, they are encouraged to embrace the opposite… what is evil, ugly, and false.”

    No, technological change prompts a change in values. More, the distinction you are making between good and bad use, and what people are “encouraged to embrace” is a false one, because any technological change always brings both bad and good, and if you accept the technology, you necessarily embrace both. For example, with automobiles you get both increased speed of transportation (supposedly good) and tens of thousands of people killed in auto accidents each year. There’s no way to get the good without the bad. Furthermore, sometimes the bad is very bad, even catastrophic. It also often occurs as an unforeseen side effect. The race mixing characteristic of modern, global civilization is one such side effect of technological change. Did the white men who invented and used the technologies that enabled the mixing of races on a continental scale have in mind the racial consequences? Were they trying to cause their own racial extinction? Of course not. They weren’t even thinking about it. But nevertheless, that’s going to be the consequence unless the technological system collapses.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Adûnâi
  201. @Ron Unz

    Pierce wrote The Turner Diaries and Hunter to communicate his ideas to a popular audience as he was struggling to get his message out beyond a hardcore cadre. He dedicated Hunter to Joseph Paul Franklin; a WN killer of interracial couples, “a white man who did his duty”.

    Kaufman may well have wanted to exterminate the German population and I’m sure that many other Zionists feel the same way but this doesn’t make Pierce any less of an exterminationist, at the most it makes him marginally more subtle. Also, when expressing highly controversial opinions, nearly everyone is more careful when the speak in public than they are in private and we saw that with Pierce at times as well.

    I’m essentially going off the top of my head with these Pierce quotes because I listened to his broadcasts and read his essays and books years ago but I can recall more genocidal fragments, though I have no doubt this is the tip of the iceberg:

    – Pierce claimed approvingly that “had the Germans won the second world war, it would have been the beginning of the end for Jews everywhere”

    – Referring to a young white German girl who had been gang-raped by the Soviets, Pierce says that “I would have happily gassed another 6 million Jews to take that back” (though he denied the 6 million number)

    – Pierce claims many times in his writings that every member of the group is responsible for the general misbehaviour of the group and that Jews seek to genocide whites

    – Pierce talks about the black problem in the United States and says that his ancestors should have either expelled the Negroes from America or otherwise “got rid of them”, which clearly implies that he viewed genocide as preferable to racial integration: “I used to tell my South African visitors, “It may be that the Black terrorists are no real military threat to you, but the only viable long-range solution for you is to get rid of all the Blacks and other non-Whites in your country. Do whatever you must do: force them out, sterilize them, kill them – otherwise you will lose your country…None of the Southerners with whom I discussed the matter believed that Blacks were equal in intelligence to Whites or in their ability to build or to maintain a civilization, but they could not quite bring themselves to regard Blacks as vermin to be eradicated.”

    Here’s a couple of others I just looked up:

    “If America were not involved at all in the Middle East, I still would sympathize with the Palestinians, and I would wish that they could be successful in driving the Jews into the sea and annihilating the abomination that is Israel”

    “The Jews are lucky they still control most of the television and other mass media in Russia – because if the Russian people ever are fully awakened to what the Jews are still doing to them, they will rise up and kill every Jew in Russia – every Jew – and they will be fully justified in doing so.”

    There is nothing ambiguous about Pierce’s position. He’s a social Darwinist who believed that races are locked in an inevitable war, that the ultimate value is preserving the purity of the Aryan race so it can ascend to higher forms and that the lives of other races have negative value as they inherently threaten the purity and existence of the Aryan race, so the correct response is to destroy them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  202. Colin Wright: “Here, one has to define what one means by ‘revolution.’ ”

    Yes, you need to gerrymander the definition in order for it to conform to your requirements. Did the revolution succeed? Then there must have been a crisis of confidence on the part of the rulers. Did it fail? Then that society was healthy and confident. LOL.

    Colin Wright: “The American ‘Revolution’ was not a Revolution in a social sense — no one was planning to take Mount Vernon away from George Washington — but a bid for independence on the part of an outlying province.”

    You yourself offered the example of the Indian independence movement as an example of a successful revolution.

  203. geokat62 says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    The race mixing characteristic of modern, global civilization is one such side effect of technological change.

    Why does this argument apply exclusively to Western countries and not to other countries, especially the Jewish state?

    Why aren’t the chosen people engaging in race mixing in the promised land? Are they at a technological deficit? Wasn’t Nut’nYahoo recently boasting that the Zionist project was the global hub of cyber security, big data, and connectivity? Don’t Intel and Google have their research HQ located there?

    What could possibly explain this strange aberration? I’ll give you a clue, it begins with the letter “V.”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  204. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “…because any technological change always brings both bad and good, and if you accept the technology, you necessarily embrace both.”

    geokat62 is correct. Why is it that atomic weapons have never been used to increase the efficiency of the technological civilisation? They are withheld precisely due to the primacy of culture over technology. (Unless, of course, you determine everything happening in the West as uniquely and solely correct, with nothing else possible. Which is philosophically probably true, but useless.)

    Certainly, geokat62 is hilarious when he deems nuclear weapons “bad” and nuclear power “good”, “beautiful” and “true”. Nuclear weapons can be used to kill swarthy children in large numbers without traumatising one’s men, whereas electric power can provide the means for the transportation of said children to the polygon. Oh wait, I had to say something more Christian, my “bad”.

    With all his tunnel-vision, however, geokat62 is utterly correct when he brings up Israel as a technological ethnic state. Although this is quite a stupid American meme – any non-White country on the entire planet is Israel on drugs, from Pakistan to Juche Korea. For all intents and purposes,
    1) free will exists;
    2) White American blood carries with it Christianity.

    Both are false, but, just as with the geocentric model, are useful when making calculations.

  205. geokat62: “Why does this argument apply exclusively to Western countries and not to other countries, especially the Jewish state? ”

    As the center of technological civilization, it applies most of all to America, less so to countries that tend to imitate America, and not much to countries that have yet to enter technological civilization in a big way. Israel may be the last bastion of apartheid, but what happened to segregation in the American South and apartheid in S. Africa can be expected to happen in Israel eventually. As Pierce writes in Who We Are:

    [Extermination] could be justified to a conquering tribe of Indo-Europeans only if they were willing to subordinate all economic considerations to the goal of maintaining their racial integrity into the indefinite future — and if they also had a sufficiently deep understanding of history to foresee the inevitability of racial mixing wherever two races are in close proximity.

    Jews are no different. I don’t see Israel ever having the will to exterminate the millions of Arabs they’ve already allowed to reside among them, and whom they exploit as an economic resource. Therefore, given human nature, and ceteris paribus, it’s reasonable to conclude that mixing with them will eventually take place.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @silviosilver
  206. geokat62 says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    … it’s reasonable to conclude that mixing with them will eventually take place.

    How do you say “Don’t hold your breath,” in Hebrew? lol

  207. Adûnâi: “Why is it that atomic weapons have never been used to increase the efficiency of the technological civilisation? They are withheld precisely due to the primacy of culture over technology.”

    Here you are forgetting that ideology, which is ultimately a form of technology itself, may dictate otherwise. Use of atomic weapons for genocide may suit your ideology just fine, but the ideology of the West may forbid it. The role of government is to arbitrate among technologies, deciding which ones to use and when, and placing limits on them as it sees fit. In this way societies compete, and the Darwinian struggle between them continues. In that struggle, and on the whole, mercy and economic considerations have so far won out over the extermination of conquered peoples.

    Adûnâi: “For all intents and purposes,
    1) free will exists;
    2) White American blood carries with it Christianity.

    Both are false, but, just as with the geocentric model, are useful when making calculations. ”

    Premise 1 cancels out any predicitons that could be made by granting premise 2. Free will existing would reduce all calculations about future actions to 50/50. If you can calculate and make a reasonable guess at the future, that’s an argument against free will. The more inerrant your predictions, the greater the proof that free will doesn’t exist. For example, if I hold a pencil at arms length and drop it, I can predict with 100% accuracy the outcome. It will fall to the floor, because pencils don’t have free will. Nobody doubts that. But likewise, I can predict with 100% accuracy that I will not wake up tomorrow to find Joe Biden has exterminated all the negroes. Of course, it’s logically possible that both predictions might be wrong. All the atoms of my pencil might suddenly jump to the other side of the galaxy. The odds are against it, but it’s possible. Similarly, Joe Biden might suddenly take it into his senile brain to kill all the porch monkeys in N. America, even though they are loved by Jesus and by all right-thinking Americans. The odds are against it, but it’s possible. But that’s not a good argument for free will. Free will existing would mean that, at any given moment, the odds of Joe Biden committing genocide against the negroes would always be at 50%, and that’s obviously not the case. There’s about as much chance of that happening as my pencil suddenly teleporting to the other side of the galaxy.

  208. @Colin Wright

    Even in those days ordinary guys were being jailed for statutory rape because they had sex with a girlfriend who was one day away from her sixteenth birthday but rarely, if ever, did this happen to pop stars. I must say that at the time I was unaware of what the rock stars were up to and I presumed they kept their relationship with underage girls platonic. I did know that the most famous rock DJ John Peel married an underage girl in Texas and about Jerry Lee Lewis but that was about it; I assumed these were one off cases and not something they and other stars were regularly into. It’s only later, when historical sex crimes came to light, that I realised what truly went on.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2.681/scandal-shines-a-light-on-pop-s-dark-corners-1.547124

  209. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Joe Biden will not do it because he had the free will to shape his morality not to do so. Since we know his morality, we can predict his behavior, but that is still dictated by his free will.

  210. @geokat62

    Why aren’t the chosen people engaging in race mixing in the promised land?

    They most assuredly are. Israel consists of European-looking Jews and Arab-looking Jews (and some seriously dark, almost semi-negroid mofos in that bunch, especially among Yemenis) in roughly equal numbers (for now) as well as a small but not entirely insignificant number of African Jews. There is of course some halfhearted attempt made on the part of Ashkenazis to keep others at a distance, but mixing is already occurring so that will probably prove no more effectual than WASP attempts to keep southern and eastern Europeans away from their daughters. (I read a humorous story a couple of years ago about a haredi school that refused to enroll blacks on the grounds that – get this – it would “scare the other children.” LOL.)

    • Replies: @geokat62
  211. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I don’t see Israel ever having the will to exterminate the millions of Arabs they’ve already allowed to reside among them, and whom they exploit as an economic resource.

    There’s no need to exterminate them if they can just shunt them a few more miles down the road into a neighboring Arab country, just as they did in 1948 and 1967. The will to do that is probably greater than it has ever been. The main thing holding them back is that eyes of the world are on them and that even Americans, gullible as they are, would at that point almost certainly abandon them. But in the case of a mass upheaval related to muslims in Europe, I think an opportunity would present itself to take decisive action.

    Free will existing would mean that, at any given moment, the odds of Joe Biden committing genocide against the negroes would always be at 50%,

    I think you need to go back to school.

  212. geokat62 says:
    @silviosilver

    They most assuredly are. Israel consists of European-looking Jews and Arab-looking Jews… as well as a small but not entirely insignificant number of African Jews. There is of course some halfhearted attempt made on the part of Ashkenazis to keep others at a distance, but mixing is already occurring

    So, different looking Jews intermarrying is your idea of race mixing?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  213. @geokat62

    Well, their differing looks are a result of their differing racial origins. When whites mix with people who differ to that same degree, it’s always described as race-mixing. I’m not claiming that Israelis are carefree about mixing with non-Jews, only that they’re not policing some strictly racial line (as WN’s usually claim they are).

    • Replies: @geokat62
  214. geokat62 says:
    @silviosilver

    I’m not claiming that Israelis are carefree about mixing with non-Jews, only that they’re not policing some strictly racial line (as WN’s usually claim they are).

    The reason they’re not policing some strictly racial line is that their religion doesn’t place importance on race differences, it places importance on soul differences.

    According to their sacred writings, while HaShem bestowed the Jewish soul with a divine spark, the souls of the goyim are on the same level as those of animals.

    So, while the Jew may be prepared to “race mix,” he’s definitely not prepared to “soul mix.”

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  215. Franklin Ryckaert: “Joe Biden will not do it because he had the free will to shape his morality not to do so. Since we know his morality, we can predict his behavior, but that is still dictated by his free will.”

    Either he will do it or he won’t, and if we posit free will, by definition we can’t know what he’ll decide, any more than we can know whether my pencil will “decide” to jump to the other side of the galaxy. The only difference would appear to be that you are willing to endow the one object with the mystical quality of “free will”, and not the other. I believe this willingness to consider human beings special creatures, uniquely endowed with a “soul” (whatever those are supposed to be), and hence exempt from the laws that govern Nature, stems ultimately from Christian mythology. One encounters this sort of thing in a lot of places. Even Pierce’s cosmotheism seems to suffer from it. Why should the Life Force of the universe manifest itself in man’s “upward” evolution, and not that of a cockroach, a termite, or any other animal? What’s so special about man? Nothing, except a Christian and a post-Christian willingness to regard him as special. To the extent Joe Biden is perfectly predictable, his free will becomes an unnecessary hypothesis.

    • Replies: @Joseph Walsh
  216. geokat62 says:

    The amount of gaslighting is being taken to unprecedented levels across the pond:

    “The Diversity Built Britain 50p was released on 17th October 2020 by The Royal Mint to celebrate British Diversity. This new “DIVERSITY BUILT BRITAIN” fifty pence coin marks the contribution minority communities have made to the shared history of the United Kingdom.”

    Could you imagine being part of an immigrant community (virtually all of whom arrived after WWII) and having the nerve of claiming your ancestors built the country!

    Talk about being shameless.

    Good thing Mark Collett of PA sets the record straight:

    https://odysee.com/20201023---Diversity-DID-NOT-Build-Britain:d

  217. silviosilver: “They actually tried to keep themselves pure, both in north and south America … all while being quite devoutly Christian. ”

    That’s takes some real chutzpah, Silverman. They don’t call you “people of the lie” for nothing. In N. America it was Protestant Christian fanatics that caused America’s War to Free the Slaves and set them on equal social footing with whites. In points south, race mixing occurred from day one with the full blessing of the Catholic Church.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  218. babu says:
    @Wyatt

    Yes that is true, these are the same people who said Hitler annihilated 6 mil Jews in the gas chambers using Zyclon gas.

  219. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    If humans don’t have free will, which I suspect is probably true, then to my mind this would imply that humans had no choice in inventing their belief in free will, that the false doctrine of free will was a belief inevitable from the dawn of humanity.

    For example, a Christian priest preaching to his sheep about how they all have free will doesn’t have any choice in the matter-he cannot but do otherwise, his behaviour (in particular his thoughts) being determined by the laws of physics or the laws that govern the unfurling of Time and Space; the unfolding of the Universe.

    Would you agree humans’ belief in free will was an outcome of necessity rather than human choice?

  220. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “… ideology, which is ultimately a form of technology itself…”

    Nonsensical semantics. Memes are technology? Then are genes technology, too? No, technology is technology, but it’s one of many actors. Calling everything technology is non-constructive.

    The closest one could get would be to see different technologies as separate actors, coupled with their respective memes. This way, the spirit of the atomic weapon lost his war against the spirit of a train carrying food to niggers. Quite poëtic and polylatrous. Chugga-chugga.

    > “The role of government is to arbitrate among technologies…”

    The governments the world over have become increasingly democratic since 1789. They exercise certain power, but can never wholly control the people’s culture. Long ago I asked Chechar whether he believed the Aryans would spring up if all Jews suddenly vanished. Do you honestly expect a store to refuse to sport the Saruman flag in June and not get shooed out of business? A conspiracy schizophrenic will see the invisible hand of a free mason in this; I merely witness the will of the people.

    > “…mercy and economic considerations have so far won out over the extermination of conquered peoples.”

    Because the power has resided in Washington and Moscow. Give the Turks a chance to capture their ancestral lands around Erivan, and see what happens.

    > “Free will existing would reduce all calculations about future actions to 50/50.”

    Would it? The percentages may differ. For example, White Americans have sinned so much, they barely resemble humans anymore. They can cleanse their blood in a blood ritual, but the chance is 1% (of attempt and success). Whereas Asians may have ~85% not to be gay on average, rising to 99.9% in Juche Korea. It’s a planet of tendencies and vectors. They can change, even by one man such as Muhammad or Hitler or Kim Il Sung. But they possess their own predictably viscous cultural dialectic.

    P.S. [Viscous] free will is a useful working hypothesis, the same way as Boasian anthropology is. The Japanese in the 1860s and the Koreans in the 1990s didn’t sit around decrying their predestined fate as slaves of Christians, but fought and succeeded against the material odds with the right culture.

  221. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @anarchyst

    > “It is only whites who are castigated and threatened for attempting to show any signs of racial solidarity.”

    Aryans are castigated by Aryans in Aryan-run countries. What could be the reason? Maybe, the worship of a foreign Jewish god Jesus whose apostle Paul proclaimed the first aggressively transvestite message of indiscriminate love in Galatians 3:28?

    Explicit self-hatred is a unique characteristic of Christian Aryans. The same way Russians became possessed by madness and destroyed their country and defiled their own Party in 1991 under Gorbachev. The moral imperative is immolation.

  222. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @geokat62

    > “So, while the Jew may be prepared to “race mix,” he’s definitely not prepared to “soul mix.””

    I definitely agree that the Israeli Jews seem quite weak in their moral disposition. The Arabs they have discriminated against so far, and I could see their expulsion in the future, but not a genocide – to the contrary, a genocide of Jews is to be expected at any careless step (and those pitiful 300 nukes won’t stop West Asia). Jews have imbibed too much Christianity, sadly. But they did use to exhibit some merry aristocratic tendencies!

    © Revilo Oliver
    https://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/1985/05/another-jewish-problem/

    Bernstein tells us that he migrated to Israel and there met and married Ziva, “a Sephardic Jewess from Iraq.” As a result, he was given an inferior status in Israel and subjected to such discriminatory pressures that in the end he had to leave his wife. He also tells us that in Tel Aviv he shared a table in a cafe with “5 Sephardic Jews from Morocco.” An Israeli policeman entered the cafe. He is described as a “blue-eyed Nazi-Type,” and could well have been one of the male infants whom the Jews kidnapped in Germany in 1945 and took to Israel to raise them as Jews and use them to improve the physique of their strange race, in which Jewishness is transmitted by females, regardless of the race of the father. The police officer ordered Bernstein, “get away from those kooshim (niggers).” When Bernstein wanted to wait until he finished the meal before him, he was forced at gun-point to throw his meal on the floor and leave the cafe in which he had been insulting Israel by associating with some of the “Sephardic Jews” who form a large part of its population but are perpetually reminded of their status as virtual pariahs.

    The day after one issue of The Virginian was published in 1957, an obviously cultivated and elegantly attired lady came to his office and spoke in commendation of it until they were interrupted by a howling Jewess, who burst in, raving about “anteye-Seemightism” and the persecution of the Chuzzen Pipple. The lady said coldly, “Down on your knees. I am a Sephardic princess.” She added some words–whether in Yiddish, Ladino, or even Hebrew, Stephenson could not tell–that seemed to authenticate the claim. The intruder did drop to her knees and kiss the hem of the lady’s skirt, and then, as ordered, apologized to Stephenson for the intrusion and humbly departed. The lady then told Stephenson, “You see, WE know how to keep our CANAILLE in order,” and, bidding him to continue his good work, took her departure. He found five one-hundred-dollar bills on his desk. Stephenson said that before the intrusion, it had never occurred to him that the lady could be a Jewess, and he was still amazed that she should have commended him for publishing veracious accounts of the Jews’ subversion of the United States.

  223. Joseph Walsh: “Would you agree humans’ belief in free will was an outcome of necessity rather than human choice? ”

    Yes, absolutely. I see the illusion of free will as a necessary one, if only because it’s impossible to imagine a human society without the concept of the individual and his personal responsibility for his actions. It’s a lie, but one so basic as to have been genetically encoded into the way we perceive reality. Corollary to this theory, human beings working together and ultimately forming societies was an outcome favored by evolution because, as life forms in competition with each other, two or more people working together can almost always defeat someone working alone. But people can only cooperate if they have some idea of their own existence and can take personal responsibility for their own actions. Thus, human societies are premised on these most fundamental of lies: the existence of something called a soul (an individual’s awareness of himself), and something called free will. We can extend this further too, to more conscious lies. If, as Ellul says, technology is the ensemble of means whereby man obtains what he wants from the world, then the lie is also a technology; a means of control in interpersonal relations, a means of making war. This answers the question: Why are people so addicted to lying that they’ve built an entire culture around it? It’s because evolution has so formed our minds. We affirm something as true not necessarily because it corresponds to any objective reality, but because believing it gives us an evolutionary advantage — or at any rate, that is the gamble. This leaves mental processes vulnerable to anyone with the art, craft, or skill to manipulate them. Among much else, it explains the origins of the lies of religion, and their otherwise unaccountable success. If, for example, we tell people “God is love”, or “believe in Jesus and you will live forever”, and if believing that helps them work better together than other societies lacking that belief, then these false beliefs will win out in the struggle for existence. The evolutionary consequences of people believing a lie is true are more important than whether it is actually true or not.

  224. Adûnâi: “Calling everything technology is non-constructive.”

    “Technology” and allied words such as “technique” derive from the Greek word τέχνη, meaning cunning, device, artifice, craft, or skill; or as Ellul says, technology is the ensemble of means whereby man obtains what he wants from the world. In that sense, religion is technology; so is ideology. “The ensemble of means whereby man obtains what he wants from the world” covers a lot of ground and includes virtually every aspect of culture, but it doesn’t mean everything is technology. Material things, for example, are only technologies if they were fashioned by him to help man satisfy his desires. A hammer is a technology. Things like the stars, the planets, or a volcano are not.

    Adûnâi: “Nonsensical semantics. Memes are technology? Then are genes technology, too?”

    In considering Ellul’s definition of technology, we have to remember that he was a devout Christian. So naturally, he sees man as a special creature; for him, technology is how man
    obtains what he wants. Here I diverge from Ellul a bit, since I neither believe that man is a special creation of God or that he is the only creature to use technology. And in fact, it’s easy to show that many creatures use tools to obtain what they want from the world. Further, I think it’s useful to extend his definition even to all aspects of animal behavior, a category into which I include fold human behavior. It’s also true that the basis for all behavior of all animals and plants, or in short, of all life, is encoded at the genetic level. So yes, under this way of conceiving the matter, genes are a biological technology, and because man is a thinking creature who communicates with others of his kind using memes, attempting to manipulate them into providing what he wants, those are technologies too.

    Man is just a little bag of skin full of wants, which he tries to satisfy using various techniques. His capacity for invention is like a lion’s claws or a rattlesnake’s venom, developed during his evolutionary struggles. Other species differ from him only in the details of which techniques they use. In this conception, all life uses technique, and evolution is nothing but a struggle of technique vs. technique.

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  225. Gill says:

    Truth in spades here. Unfortunately those of us who were lucky enough to grow up in 100% white towns and cities won’t be around much longer to tell of it. That sense of home and of belonging to a wider family has been stolen from us, we must now put the ‘others’ ahead of our own children to atone for historical sins. We alone among people are responsible for the failings of other cultures and societies, our advances have only come at a cost to the Africans and the Asians….. will there be anyone left in 50 years time to call out this egregious lie? Am I a racist? I think sometimes it’s impossible not to be, though I think I’m more of a ‘cultural supremacist’. As someone who has lived in Africa for 20+ years it’s impossible to see all cultures as equal. So call me a racist if that’s the easiest label….I really am beyond caring anymore, it’s such an overused slur as to mean precisely nothing.

  226. Anyone looking for principled leadership must realise that what medievals termed “Vertue” is necessary, even paramount.
    Sir Oswald Mosley is one example —

    https://www.oswaldmosley.com/

    If you have a secret agenda (to kill most of the world eg) or have “followers” who defraud, backstab, thieve from or even kill you, your movement is unlikely to succeed …

    WLP might have been an ADL plant for all the use he was.

  227. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    In N. America it was Protestant Christian fanatics that caused America’s War to Free the Slaves and set them on equal social footing with whites.

    And it was also Protestants who wanted to keep them at a distance – even to keep them enslaved. Indeed, the latter drew comfort from their bibles that their social system was moral (since the bible doesn’t really have any obvious issue with slavery). So if Christian reasoning could justify both positions, perhaps it was something else driving these social changes.

    I mean, to hear you tell it, after the blacks were freed, there was a mad rush from white Protestants to embrace and race-mix with their black brothers in Christ. Not exactly eh.

    In points south, race mixing occurred from day one with the full blessing of the Catholic Church.

    The point is they attempted to maintain a caste system, which is evidence that Christian belief per se didn’t cause them to start “suiciding” themselves as soon as the chance presented itself. As for the church, I’ve already granted it’s universal, so obviously the newly minted mixed-race individuals were going to be accepted into the Catholic fold.

  228. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    So yes, under this way of conceiving the matter, genes are a biological technology, and because man is a thinking creature who communicates with others of his kind using memes, attempting to manipulate them into providing what he wants, those are technologies too.

    Well then, wanting to destroy the “technological system” would appear to be synonymous with the desire to destroy life itself.

  229. silviosilver: “So if Christian reasoning could justify both positions, perhaps it was something else driving these social changes.”

    Now Silverman begins to talk out of the other side of his mouth. You see, Christianity deserves credit for whatever happens, but never blame! It’s crazy to blame Christianity for what Christians did, because clearly, so long as some Christian somewhere disagrees, then there can’t be anything wrong with the religion itself. Don’t even suggest it! No, goy. It’s not suicidal. Keep looking under your bed for the culprit, or maybe behind that tree over there.

    It’s gotta be something else … just gotta be. LOL.

  230. silviosilver: “Well then, wanting to destroy the “technological system” would appear to be synonymous with the desire to destroy life itself. ”

    In context as I have used the phrase, destruction of the technological system refers to man’s high technology, not all technology.

    You’re gonna have to do better than that, Silverman.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  231. Ragno says:
    @Jatt Aryaa

    If I had a slice of roast beef handy, I’d fling it at you for that comment.

  232. CCG says:
    @usNthem

    Successive Portuguese governments since the Carnation Revolution have been importing masses of them and other immigrant groups (Dharmic subcons, (((Usual Suspects))), Chinese, Muslims, etc.) as both a Leftist votebank and a source of bribes.
    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/is-lisbon-the-new-jerusalem/

  233. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @G. Poulin

    > “The statement by Jesus was never intended as a universal response to any and all aggressions; it was intended to regulate the conduct of Christians with regard to other Christians, for the sake of the internal peace of the church itself. We’ve turned the words of Jesus into an invitation to suicide. Dumb.”

    [MORE]

    Do I have to remind you… that Jesus was crucified and liked it? Didn’t every Christian martyr forgive and pray for his enemies? Aren’t Christians supposed to triumph by spreading the “good” message of universal love? You are utterly corrupting the essence of Christianity.

    Re: Catdog’s point. White Christians have many kids – with niggers. The last chance of White Christianity was Mormonism:
    1) a cult with big money and real estate in Utah;
    2) strong hierarchy and a monarchical chain of succession;
    3) polygamy;
    4) rewrote the Bible into a trilogy;
    *) men are forced to wear cute panties.

    And yet, even the Mormons cucked every single time:
    1) rejected polygamy in 1905;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Manifesto
    2) cucked to the Negroes in 1978.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Revelation_on_Priesthood

    Christianity is so potently poisonous, even the Jews catch liberalism and advocate for the destruction of their own state, Israel. Any rational dispassionate inquiry ought to conclude that Christianity must be quarantined like a plagued ship.

    Re: silviosilver’s point. I understand how it may sound disingenuous to consider the racist Christians to be hypocrites and the anti-racist ones the true Christians. But isn’t the essence of Christianity universalist? Take a different history page – colonialism was used to… breed Negroes! And yet, its legacy now is considered racist – compared to an even more radical cuckoldry of the later days that followed.

    Taken this way, the issue can be understood through that old Checharian train metaphor. In a word, even the Confederate slave-owners were anti-racist cucks compared to the Hitlerian Einsatzgruppen.
    https://chechar.wordpress.com/2019/01/25/ethno-suicidal-nationalists/

    Led by the Jews, gentile liberals are driving the train into the abyss; the conservatives are simply trying to slow it down, lightly stepping on the brake here and there to hinder the liberals’ ways. Off the train, white nationalists are headed in the same direction, but at a much slower pace: they go on foot.

    • Agree: commandor
  234. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @NEETzschean

    > “Racial loyalty is not required for immediate survival in a highly advanced technological society with police, surveillance and bread and circuses; it’s a primitive instinct that evolved in state of nature type conditions.”

    What you and Dr. Robert Morgan whom you are parroting are missing is that we are not living in a scholastic luna park. All Americans tend to argue in these highly speculative, sphere-in-a-vacuum type conjectures. Utterly unrelated to the real-world circumstances.

    (For example, this is clearly visible when JF Gariépy debates Communism in its philosophy and economy – when in reality, Soviet Russia disintegrated because of prosaic unpunished Christian subversives chasing the fart of change.)

    America may not be a country, but America is not the whole planet either. Nowhere else does technology correlate with cuckoldry. Again, India and Pakistan – still as divided and hateful of one another as ever. Where is globalism and love? Even Shia Iraq is not exactly a puppet of Iran. The Turks chose an outright war on their southern Syrian neighbour – and lost terribly. Racial hatred seems to be alive and alright, actually on the rise all over Asia. What was the last time you looked at the map?

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  235. @thotmonger

    Joseph and Mary never would have imagined that a group of people who are stupid enough to believe the virgin story would ever exist.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
  236. @Colin Wright

    The American ‘Revolution’ was not a Revolution in a social sense —

    Neither was the War for Southern Independence.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  237. Anon[176] • Disclaimer says:
    @NEETzschean

    The last two quotes you have excerpted refer to justice or retaliation in relation to unjust acts allegedly committed against Russians and Palestinians by tribal Jews. Those are local conflicts and he was in favor of justice.

    That, and most everything else you have posted, do not support your claim that Pierce sought the “global extermination of non-Whites.” Pierce observes, or theorizes, that proximity will lead to the destruction of Whites as a distinct group. He was therefore in favor of separation of the groups. Separation doesn’t entail the ”global extermination of non-Whites.”

    • Replies: @NEETzschean
  238. Anon[176]: “Separation doesn’t entail the ”global extermination of non-Whites.” ”

    If Pierce wasn’t an exterminationist in spirit, it’s hard to understand why he would have dreamed of it, as he did at the end of The Turner Diaries. If he wasn’t an exterminationist he would have ended his novel with a repatriation of negroes to Africa and Jews to Israel.

    I think Pierce was too much of a technophile to advocate the destruction of the technological system like Kaczynski, but he also realized that a technological civilization would require the complete resources of an entire planet to reach fruition. This means that racial segregation, even if done on a continental scale, would never be enough to prevent the races from having commerce with each other and eventually engage in mixing.

  239. @Adûnâi

    Technological man is less masculine and more passive everywhere due to law and order, surveillance and the internet; even North Korea has a cuckold leader who is best friends with a Negro ball player. Every nation that permits the internet is exposed to Americanisation and those that don’t inevitably fall behind the more technologically progressive states. Even if Westerners weren’t Christians they would have a similar liberal-materialist morality based on safety, conformity and hedonism, this is after all the position of non-Christians like you who idly fantasise about your ideal state committing murder and genocide on the internet. Look at the new laws and fertility rates of Asian and Middle Eastern nations nations, where their leaders went to university and their global business interests: Westernisation in progress. The fact that the only state that fits the bill for you is North Korea says a lot about the idiotic hopelessness of your larpy anime-tier ideas.

    If the goal is to preserve race then technological progress and transhumanism have to be fought tooth and nail. If the goal is to have Kim Jong Un’s Matrioshka brain preserved for all time as the supreme dictator of the universe, then I wish you and commander all the best.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  240. @Anon

    Pierce emphasises “Every single Jew” and regarded blacks as vermin to be exterminated. Pierce regards all members of their race as linked in a conspiracy if only tacitly and argues for punishing racial aliens on those grounds, this point is made again and again. The clear analogy that Pierce is making to his audience is that Jews in America are doing the same thing and should be punished in the same way. Pierce’s contradictory white racialist and technophile views must logically entail exterminationism because in a technologically connected world, everywhere is proximate.

    I don’t know why there’s so much resistance to the obvious fact that Pierce was an exterminationist. He wasn’t a humanist or an egalitarian, he believed in the survival of the fittest, Nietzscheanism and as could easily be heard in his rants, was extremely bloodthirsty. He praised the murder of interracial couples and I have no doubt he would have done it himself if he could have got away with it or had the guts.

  241. ““Technology” and allied words such as “technique” derive from the Greek word , meaning cunning, device, artifice, craft, or skill; or as Ellul says, technology is the ensemble of means whereby man obtains what he wants from the world. In that sense, religion is technology; so is ideology. “The ensemble of means whereby man obtains what he wants from the world” covers a lot of ground and includes virtually every aspect of culture, but it doesn’t mean everything is technology. Material things, for example, are only technologies if they were fashioned by him to help man satisfy his desires. A hammer is a technology. Things like the stars, the planets, or a volcano are not.”

    I do try to ignore lot of the nonsense touted as luminary exposition.

    You are abusing the term. The terms meaning is derived by its usage. It is not in itself all encompassing. It is limited to the constraints of its application. Religion, ideology . . . are not in themselves even (τέχνη)

    Your attempt to incorporate here are just too out of bounds to ignore.

    http://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-US&dl=en&lp=EL_EN&a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.perseus.tufts.edu%2fhopper%2ftext%3fdoc%3dPerseus%3atext%3a1999.04.0057%3aentry%3dte%2fxnh

    https://www.wordreference.com/gren/%cf%84%ce%ad%cf%87%ce%bd%ce%b7

    The use of the term has not real correlation to our understanding of technology today, save how it uses the said tech. Hammer would bot be considered tech by the ancient greek term you reference.
    ———————————–

    I promised myself i would avoid these conversation, but this was too much.

  242. EliteCommInc.: “You are abusing the term. The terms meaning is derived by its usage. It is not in itself all encompassing. It is limited to the constraints of its application. Religion, ideology . . . are not in themselves even (τέχνη)”

    This kind of criticism reminds me of the adage “The sage points at the moon, and the idiot looks at the finger.”

    My intent here was to communicate to Adûnâi and anyone else reading this thread the unusual perspective on technology given by Jacques Ellul, and how it could even be expanded in some surprising ways, not to explain how the ancient Greeks used the root word. I see you’ve completely missed that point though, which is not surprising. You do that a lot.

    But thanks for the reprint.

  243. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @NEETzschean

    Thanks to comments such as this, I get inspired to write in response. Even though these are low-hanging fruit.

    > “Technological man is less masculine and more passive everywhere due to law and order…”

    A modern man is a cog in the immense wheels. But was it different in the past? Ancient societies of Babylonia and Egypt based themselves on the backs of the hordes of peasants; a modern train carrying passengers to the gates of Auschwitz is supported by the millions of ordinary Germans. Each of them is no warrior and insignificant, yet together, tens of millions of foreigners were exterminated. Do you oppose it on those moral grounds that every man must be a kshatriya?

    > “…who is best friends with a Negro ball player.”

    I’m starting to worry about you. Name me another leader who gave his country nuclear weapons in the 21st ct. Who does not kneel before the god of the Jews.

    > “Every nation that permits the internet is exposed to Americanisation…”

    This is why the DPRK uses Kwangmyong (Bright Light) – a fully controlled by the Juche state intranet.

    > “…and those that don’t inevitably fall behind the more technologically progressive states.”

    As historical reality has demonstrated, this is false. The Kimilsungist country has developed nuclear-tipped ICBMs while being extremely cautious.

    > “…liberal-materialist morality based on safety…”

    I wish people stopped using the word “materialism” the way Marxists do, meaning “economism”. Blood & soil are materialistic concepts.

    > “Look at the new laws and fertility rates of Asian and Middle Eastern nations […] The fact that the only state that fits the bill for you is North Korea…”

    Name the specific countries. Last time I checked, Syria and Iraq were in a near-war-state, Azerbaijan was ready to genocide Armenia, Burma was raping Muslims, the Chinese were putting Turks in KZ, and Pakistani men were splashing women’s faces with acid.

    All the possible signs of cuckoldry like the KSA female driver permit and Pakistan’s cucking in the Asia Bibi’s case are but signs of the great, yet ephemeral, power of the Red Giant of Christendom. It is still immense, but will undoubtedly pass, and history will return, thunderous and bellicose.

  244. CatOCat says:

    “Racist” is just a word used to stop any type of White solidarity and identity. The biggest fear for the enemies of the west is White racial consciousness and looking out for personal genetic interests. I wonder why and how such a word has become so powerful to change the hearts and minds of the people? The certain, unnameable tribe is the biggest reason behind this change.

  245. If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization. This is a painful truth; few of us want to go that far…. The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al, don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself.

  246. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    How does your Unabomber AnPrim view explain the controlling nature of old, technologically primitive America which used to feature compulsory sterilisation, the prohibition of alcohol and the ban on sodomy? The change to all three is a clear sign of a freer society.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

  247. Adûnâi: “How does your Unabomber AnPrim view explain the controlling nature of old, technologically primitive America which used to feature compulsory sterilisation, the prohibition of alcohol and the ban on sodomy? The change to all three is a clear sign of a freer society.”

    That’s a good question. There’s no doubt that technologically primitive societies can in some ways be very controlling too. That’s just the nature of human interactions. If people are to work together, they must share a similar worldview, whatever it may be. The more closely they must work together, the more identical their worldviews must be. Consequently, the kind of freedom I’m concerned with isn’t mere licentiousness, but the freedom to dissent. For example, Socrates was executed for not conforming to the prevailing views on the gods, and countless others suffered a similar fate during later times when heretic hunting and witch burning came into vogue. In America, one of the first things the Puritans did was to set up a system of compulsory “education” in order to ensure that all would think alike.

    https://www.paulreverehouse.org/that-old-deluder-satan-puritan-emphasis-on-compulsory-education/

    However, on the whole, I’d still argue that in a technologically primitive society, men are freer. In such primitive circumstances, it was also easier to leave society altogether. Back then, there was an unregulated frontier one could always escape to. Today, it’s not only become more difficult to survive apart from society, but it’s very difficult to disentangle how much actual freedom exists because people are so hypocritical, and so much lying goes on about it. During Prohibition, for example, while selling or consuming alcohol was formally against the law, violations were often winked at. Likewise with the other two things you mention. No effort was made to hunt down all the congenital idiots and sterilize them, nor to arrest all homosexuals. By contrast, nowadays, under the neo-Christianity in the supposedly “free” country of America, if you oppose homosexuals to the point of discriminating against them in a work environment, or even “harassing” them (whatever that’s construed to mean), you may be vigorously punished, perhaps formally by the state, and likely even by any number of societal busybodies who make it their business to make sure everyone is as much a conformist asshole as they are. The modern total surveillance state makes dissent impractical and political revolution almost impossible, so this situation appears to be not only irreversible, but with continued “Progress” destined to gradually worsen until no trace of freedom remains at all.

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