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It seems that there are to be no dissenting voices on the twentieth anniversary of 9-11. Even film director Spike Lee was forced by media outcry to edit out of his documentary mini-series the half-hour dedicated to skeptics of the official version of the event. Thus the citizenry has been saved from “a bog of heinously dangerous ideas.”

This phrase comes from Slate.com columnist Jeremy Stahl, for whom the alternative theories of 9-11 are “arguments that have been debunked a thousand times.” This, of course, is nonsense. The debate rages to this day. But as with the issue of vaccination against coronavirus, the mainstream media will not brook the least opposition. Stahl puts great stock, for example, in the “three-year-long, \$16 million investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology,” as if these numbers and a solemn-sounding agency title could not possibly be challenged. It doesn’t seem to occur to him that the U.S. Government is itself the accused party here, and in similar circumstances has been caught fudging facts. The NIST report has actually taken heavy criticism from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, the most important group pushing alternative theories of the attack.

Why do journalists favor the government version so fiercely? The sheer vitriol of their attacks on Truthers reflects deep personal anger; clearly no Deep State maven stands over them dictating their articles. In theory, the more onerous discoveries of 9-11 investigators — the presence of explosive material in the dust that spread through Manhattan, the dubious cell-phone calls made from the hijacked aircraft, the impossibly high speeds of low-altitude flight by three of the airplanes — should be red meat to reporters. But all of it is ignored, if not ridiculed. What has happened to this “fifth column” of democracy?

Before television came along, reporters were hacks: working-class guys who wore their suits poorly and smoked too much. Nowadays they are college grads with master’s degrees and big ambitions. Their role models are the millionaire voices of CNN and Eyewitness News anchorpersons. The Internet pipsqueaks who have to beg for donations every three months don’t have three-car garages and sweet vacations every summer. They may get closer to the truth of issues, but they don’t have source lunches on the company dime.

Journalists don’t take long to understand which side of the bread holds the butter. They jump at the well-paying jobs, and slowly the resistance to any type of “conspiracy theory” builds. They instinctively reject the work of armchair detectives, and on several levels.

First is the theoretical level: reporters ought to be able to ferret out the dirt wherever they see it. But they soon realize they can’t: some stories are simply out of bounds. Imagine the journalists — and there must be a great many of them, especially in the New York and Washington areas — who got great tips in the aftermath of 9-11 and saw Pulitzers for the taking. But their editors rubbed their necks and spiked the stories, telling them We are not in the conspiracy business. There is just some news that’s not fit to print, and reporters must stand at the fence and envy those allowed to cross it into the fertile fields beyond.

Next is the professional level: the armchair guys have scooped them. They are the ones who debunked the government’s first hypothesis that the Twin Towers “pancaked” down; who discovered that the Fox News helicopter had altered the image of the second plane hitting the South Tower; who called out reporters for saying that Building Seven had collapsed before it did.

Then the social level. Journalists, by the nature of their work, achieve a kind of fame. They are the kind of people that others like to brag about living next to. Television journalists are recognized in the supermarket, print ones publish their lofty opinions to thousands of readers. They get front-row seats at a political campaign, and now and then rub elbows with movie stars and billionaires. Reporters are not hacks anymore and would resent the suggestion that they are.

The patriotic level. War brings out the worst in journalists. Among many disheartening stories in Seymour Hersh’s memoir Reporter is that he alone reported in detail on the order by an American general to attack retreating Iraqis at the end of the Gulf War — this when the Iraqis had been promised safe passage back to their country from Kuwait. The result was a veritable massacre of unarmed men. “It was a reminder of the Vietnam War’s MGR, for Mere Gook Rule,” Hersh wrote: “If it’s a murdered or raped gook, there is no crime.” Weeks before his article, the general got wind of Hersh’s investigation and impugned his integrity; his comments were published widely. Reporters rally both to the flag and the official narrative, and they don’t like seeing either wrinkled.

Even twenty years after 9-11, the patriotic media as one pounced on Spike Lee over his meager half-hour of skepticism, the basic points of which have long ago been circulated and digested by anyone with an interest in the subject. In his article, Stahl worries that the leader of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Richard Gage, “has never had the type of audience that HBO is offering.” He even sent a letter to HBO objecting to Gage’s appearance.

Which brings us to the top level, that of Thought Police; its symbol is the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, where pundits, reporters and movie stars alike chortle over the president’s insider humor. Journalists consider themselves a loose sort of club whose duty is to present a smooth narrative and steer the public away from “dangerous ideas.” And the idea that explosives, placed in the buildings weeks before 9-11, brought down the Twin Towers and Building Seven is very dangerous indeed.

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So the journalist throws in his or her lot with the government, which itself enjoys the home-court advantage in foreign and security policy: Americans, rarely interested in either, easily accept the government version of events. The journalist does the math: if he or she opposes the official version, their stories will go straight on the spike and their jobs will quickly follow; or they can not oppose, keep their jobs and make useful contributions in other areas of particular interest to them. I would bet that Spike Lee made a similar calculation when he returned to his editing room.

Hence 9-11 truth, like a lot of other truths, falls by the wayside. And when somebody comes along and picks one up and begins a crusade, journalists loathe him. “Gage is responsible for peddling some of the most pernicious and long-running lies about the 9/11 attacks,” writes Stahl. Indeed, his article thunders with the rage typical of commentators who have made it big in America’s fraught journalistic landscape.

And having made it big, they are not about to say the system that has set them up with prestige, fame, and a fine lifestyle is full of compromises.

Journalists are conservatives. We cannot depend on them, as CNN reporters nauseatingly aver in their self-congratulatory ads, “to go beneath the surface of a story” and “peel away the layers.” In foreign and security issues, they are fixed like limpets to the story’s surface — and they hate, they despise those free to dig deeper, and who show them up as frauds.

Happy twentieth anniversary, everyone.

 
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  1. They cannot admit to their own selves that they are utter scoundrels.

    In the first chapter of Dale Carnegie’s How to Win Friends and Influence People he devotes several paragraphs to the stories that Al Capone considered himself a morally upright human. Carnegie claims that everybody in real life does it; self-admitted scoundrels are fictional characters.

    Their job is to present truth to an audience. M-F 9-5 they spread lies. Amazing. No?

  2. Trinity says:

    (((Journalists))) are paid to distort or cover up the truth aka FAKE NEWS.

    In the year 2021, anyone who believes the “official narrative” of 9-11 has to be a complete moron.

  3. Trinity says:

    The fact that 9-11 is called, “Patriot Day” is disrespectful to the 3,000 plus victims who died horrific deaths that day.

  4. Mulegino1 says:

    Why Do Journalists Hate 9-11 Truthers?

    For the most part, those who question the official account of 9/11 evince the requisite skepticism, critical thinking skills and independence of mind that contemporary journalists ought to employ but decidedly do not.

    Contemporary mainstream journalists are for the most part little more than meretricious parrot like repeaters of official, kosher narratives. Their jobs depend on it.

    The (((corporate oligarchs ))) who govern the American MINITRUE complex cannot afford to have their symbiotic relationship with the permanent establishment endangered by questioning their sacrosanct narratives, upon which both depend to maintain control over that critical mass of the unquestioning.

    The official narrative of 9/11 is total bullshit from beginning to end. It is fit only for the very low infotainment consumers, who make the proles in “1984” look Socratic by comparison.

    • Thanks: The Griffins
    • LOL: InnerCynic
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Wally
    , @moi
  5. Mulegino1 says:
    @Trinity

    Perhaps it should be called “Patriot Act Day”, as in:

    “Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act of 2001.”

    The way that the majority reacted so passively to the media manipulation following the attacks reminds me of the last part of the Moloch scene in Metropolis.

  6. roonaldo says:

    Hey Spike, are ya losin’ sleep after gutting your documentary, as the persistent voices in your head whisper “Spiiike…Spiiike…Do the Right Thing…?”

  7. Notsofast says:

    journalists do not hate 9-11 truthers, celebrity news readers and stenographers hate 9-11 truthers, for they endanger the privileged lifestyles they enjoy. there are a few journalists left but most are older and we lose more every year. the really scary part is the woke generation can’t tell the difference.

  8. Ronnie says:

    Wrong! This is not a reaction of patriotic Americans against 911 conspiracy theories. The MSM is controlled by Jews – their strategy is to support the US Government and then the Government supports Israel and the Jews. It is that simple. Have you noticed how many Jews are surrounding Biden and controlling all major branches of our Government ? It is a total takeover. If you criticize our Government the MSM will say you are either an antisemite, a terrorist, a racist or a lunatic. Fortunately, the usual behavior of our Government has become so unsuccessful and dysfunctional that such criticism by the MSM is becoming stunningly inappropriate.

  9. Dumbo says:

    Before television came along, reporters were hacks: working-class guys who wore their suits poorly and smoked too much.

    Journalists used to be a certain profile of males who smoked and drank and liked travel and adventure. With television and the feminization of media, most are now women or college graduates who don’t know anything about real life and do their “reporting” on social media.

    It became just another branch of public relations or propaganda, and most journalists don’t even really question anything about the status quo.

    Well, I suppose it was always propaganda. But perhaps it was less obvious before, and there was more investigative journalism.

  10. Trinity says:

    I don’t think “journalists” even know the meaning of truth. Pretty fair to say that “our” news has been distorted for at least a century and counting perhaps longer.

    5 dancing shlomos

  11. Ryan Dawson has the best take on 9-11.

    • Agree: Trinity, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Voltara
    , @Jefferson Temple
  12. bogative says:

    Anyone have a link to a source for the claim that “the Fox News helicopter had altered the image of the second plane hitting the South Tower”. Thanks!

  13. utu says:

    SEVEN (46min 2020)

    What caused Building 7 to collapse on 9/11? Dr. Leroy Hulsey from the University of Alaska Fairbanks may have the answer, following an exhausting four year engineering study.

    Building 7 has been marred with controversy since it collapsed late in the afternoon on September 11th, 2001. Now, almost twenty years after the fact, Dr. Leroy Hulsey from the University of Alaska Fairbanks has chipped in. His findings are the result of four years, hundreds of thousands of dollars and incalculable computer graphics hours. Featuring interviews with engineers Roland Angle, Scott Grainger and Kamal Obeid, this documentary is a comprehensive look into the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, narrated by the

    Directors Dylan Avery
    Starring Ed Asner, Leroy Hulsey, Roland Angle

    Was available from Amazon.

    • LOL: Alfred
  14. Chomsky explains all in this video clip. Only those who are properly educated/indoctrinated and proven followers are hired by the major media. They self-censor without realizing it.

    • Thanks: Sarah
  15. @Morton's toes

    “Journalism” is now nothing more than progaganda and all scripts are prepared in advance by CIA so the opinion is uniform—emotional—and puts USA #1 and all others down –way down there.; NOW 911 is a perfect example of BS baffling brains –just study the W5 and it is easy to see it was in inside job to create “Terrorists” and reason to spend trillions over 20 years —no victory but created plenty of refugees–hope they all go to USA–you reap what you sow.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  16. @utu

    Firec Chief stated on the air ” We decided to PULL IT”—Building 7 ( only one time on air) but better yet is BBC in Lonodn broadcasting the collapse of Building 7 one half hour before it fell—that was to place Tony Blair onside —-the smiling mortician.

  17. @Dumbo

    Dumbo—-where is Max Headroom ???

  18. Bolo6165 says:

    Because the same criminals that control the MSM blew up the WTC.

  19. gottlieb says:

    Good read, thanks. It’s all so obvious the answer to the title question as others have (and will further) explain – the for-profit corporate media is 24/7 propaganda or PR operation.

    But what’s more distressing (to me) is the utter dis-interest most citizens of the USA have over the matter of 911. Certainly there is a general mistrust of the media, but little curiosity about the truth of things. This is the great cognitive dissonance: Don’t trust the media, but still believe what your told by ‘them.’

    The official story of 911 is a lie. So what is the truth?

  20. dms578 says:

    If you think journalists can’t handle your so called truth try the FDNY and NYPD who were actually there. If they are not furious they will laugh in your face. We live here dear and I know several people who actually saw the planes fly into towers and one building pancake and collapse. Bldg 7 was a storage site for contraband seized by the NYPD. Try to think about that. None of the men thought it questionable that it blew up. My brother senior FDNY HAZMAT was responsible for teams examine sites there was absolutely no evidence of any explosives anywhere. My husband was an eyewitness on west street. Allot of media people are based here. More relevant question to ask is why the public has so many certifiable nuts who think everything is a conspiracy. Try to say this to yourself as many times as possible until it sinks in.

  21. @Ronnie

    You got the bull’s eye. Ethno-cracy is THE real issue here as elsewhere. No need for the Presstitutes
    It is right there infront of everyone.

  22. JWalters says:
    @Morton's toes

    Interesting point. But I’d say these reporters may justify their lying, but they know they are lying. I see them all self-censoring out of fear of being fired (Dan Rather, Phil Donahue) or killed (Gary Webb). They use mockery and anger rather than facts and logic because that’s all they have, with the evidence against the official 9/11 story being so overwhelming. It’s not realistic that they are as ignorant as they seem. So their self-censorship cannot be unintentional. So they know what they’re doing.

    The uniformity of this behavior in the corporate media is clear evidence of the widespread control exercised by their common orchestra conductor. Truly independent editors and reporters would exhibit at least some random differences, especially given all the solid contrary evidence readily available. This can only be explained by highly coordinated corruption. The evidence for the root of this corruption is traced here.
    “War Profiteers and 9/11”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-911.html

  23. @bogative

    I did watch the event in real time.
    There was something I could not understand. The second plane nearing the tower suddenly jumped ahead. Could that be interpreted as changing the tape?

    • Replies: @JohnnyGodYilmaz
  24. Dube says:
    @utu

    This movie is approved by people who now stuffed Spike Lee? Your critical review, please.

  25. JWalters says:
    @Trinity

    I think a lot of people are just not very interested in the news, but are more interested in other things. So they find a news person they like, and get their quick fix from them. So naturally they don’t know about the evidence that their newsperson is a tool of criminals. The scope of the crime is so vast it’s hard to believe until one has acquired a great deal of specific evidence. We need those who are informed to spread the word, especially to the consumers of corporate “news”.

    • Agree: Justrambling
  26. JWalters says:
    @Notsofast

    And even those independent, “traditional” journalists have to tread carefully lest they be assassinated. What kind of people murder 3000 people in order to start a war that kills another million? Or kills a President of the United States in broad daylight and gets away with it?

    • Agree: Niebelheim, Notsofast, Miro23
    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  27. Anon[956] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    Traitor’s Day would be much more appropriate and it would also focus attention away from the Islamic patsies and towards the real culprits.

    • Agree: Alfred, Trinity, Olivier1973
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  28. tanabear says:
    @utu

    This is a great 30 minute documentary featuring a former NIST employee talking about NIST’s ridiculous findings and conclusions regarding World Trade Towers 1,2 and 7.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/videos/video/4-stand-for-the-truth-a-government-researcher-speaks-out

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
    , @wllmgrnl
  29. @Ronnie

    Black people, Hispanics, the Italian Mafia are not being blamed for 911. Everything points to the Jews: “israelis” here, Zakheim there, mossad “students” and “artists” and “removers”, Silverstein and on and on. Jews all over it, including in the government.

    • Agree: Half Back, Thim
    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  30. IronForge says:

    Competent Truthers Fact-Check, Critique, and Discuss Subjects Better.

    SMEs Truthers tend to he more Honest.

  31. GMC says:

    All the evidence on the self inflicted gunshot to the head of America is there to see. Not only the architects, engineers, building demolition companies etc. know this and of course the awake people that were responding to the catastrophe, but thousands of construction people who have worked on highrises throughout the cities. The debris pile was the first thing I noticed , since I worked highrises in Chicago and saw how much material goes into a 110 story building , even before the occupancy starts. Notsofast and Ronnie nails it too.
    Not only did the US Gov sell out America , many of the citizens did too. But these slime balls will stick together , they always do.

    • Agree: Half Back
    • Replies: @gotmituns
  32. Larry says:

    “So the journalist throws in his or her lot…”

    His or her?

    You have lost the plot, Kraske, and you have lost it to PC and to the woke.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  33. AKAHorace says:

    Because 9-11 was probably pretty much the way that the mainstream media portrayed it. It is a bit like the JFK assasination. JFK was a pretty and charismatic media figure, the masses could not accept that he was killed by a random lunatic. When you look at his record he was not worth killing. 9-11 happened in the open. I would have been very difficult to arrange with controlled explosives. If you wanted to send the US into the middle east through a conspiracy there would have been much better ways to arrange it. Because it was on television and everyone saw it, a lot of people who lack the ability to put themselves into the shoes of conspirators love to come up with unplausible theories about it.

    A comparison. Rigged sports matches. Whenever a game comes down to a last minute goal or touchdown, sports fans love to come up with moronic theories about how this must have been a fix. If you are fixing a game though, you do it early on, not at the last minute when everything is on the line. Arranging the controlled explosion of buildings while you fake aircraft crashes is incredibly complicated and requires a lot of risk taking. I am not saying that conspiracies don’t happen, but 9-11 and the JFK killing are probably not because they would have been so complicated to arrange.

  34. slorter says:

    The debate will continue to rage on while an adequate answer is not there!

    Just like we were in Afghanistan for 20 years and we won!

  35. @Dumbo

    USA Today is boasting that most of it’s journalists are now women. USA may not be as influential as the Washington Post, the NY Times, or the Boston Globe but more people read this journal than any other. USA Today is one of the few major publications you can still read for free on line. Some articles are now behind a pay-wall but much of it’s content is still free to peruse as long as you disable your ad-blocker. USA Today openly boasts about it’s “diversity metrics” which are supposed to bring more perspectives to it’s pages. Just as justice Sotomayor was to bring a “wise Latina” point of view to the Supreme Court, these diverse reporters are to bring diverse experiences to their reporting. Since journalists no longer report the truth but promote narratives, the line between reporting and propaganda is no longer clear. If you read USA Today’s editorial on their diversity efforts, any honest reading means they are hiring BLM activists, La Raza activists and radical feminists. The link below will provide details of which I write.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/09/01/usa-today-newsroom-now-majority-female-sees-gains-staff-diversity/5659410001/

    • Thanks: Annony Mouse
    • Replies: @RestiveUs
  36. Miro23 says:

    Journalists don’t take long to understand which side of the bread holds the butter. They jump at the well-paying jobs, and slowly the resistance to any type of “conspiracy theory” builds.

    So people know immediately who holds the power.

    If an employee stands up and publically attacks a business owner (with truthful but damaging information) he’ll lose his job.

    Try standing up in Middle Ages France and rubbishing Catholic dogma. The result would have been excommunication or worse. The Church was on the lookout for heresy.

    Or try standing up in Bolshevik Russia and rubbishing the Dictatorship of the Proletariat mumbo jumbo. The result would be a journey to the Gulag or worse.

    Similarly, organized Jewry owns the United States -and members of the US power structure know it and act/speak accordingly. 9/11 is off limits because Jewish media owners say that it’s off limits. The official dogma already explains 9/11 and it justifies the removal of citizens rights (Patriot Act) and the Global War on Terror.

    From this POV, the Holocaust, 9/11 etc are Jewish built cathedrals where the public are obliged to worship – at least for the time being. Dictatorships don’t last forever.

    • Replies: @Annony Mouse
  37. @Trinity

    How is it disrespectful??? If anything it’s an honor. What other name would you have decided on?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Verity
  38. Gizmo880 says:
    @Trinity

    ” (((Journalists))) ”

    This is all that needs to be said, and it explains everything.

  39. Phil4Phil says:
    @Trinity

    The author says:

    The article’s title is “Why Do Journalists Hate 9-11 Truthers?” The graphic was put in by the website.

  40. Miro23 says:
    @Mulegino1

    Contemporary mainstream journalists are for the most part little more than meretricious parrot like repeaters of official, kosher narratives. Their jobs depend on it.

    There was recently a hit movie down here in Southern Europe ( Italy’s highest grossing film),” Quo Vado?” (English title: “An Italian in Norway”). It resonated because everyone here dreams of that cushy government job (short work hours/early retirement/long holidays/generous pension/easy sick leave/strong union/job for life). Checco faces the incredible possibility of losing his job and the film shows his desperate struggle to hold onto it.

    Cushy jobs are something to treasure and a bit of BLM/Antifa and Jewish butt kissing looks like a small price to pay.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  41. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @bogative

    Bog said:

    Anyone have a link to a source for the claim that “the Fox News helicopter had altered the image of the second plane hitting the South Tower”. Thanks!

    Sorry Bog——–there won’t be a link forth coming.

    All news agency helicopters were grounded that morning after the attack.The only video available was provided by a NYPD helicopter. Another lie that helps perpetuates the 911 conspiracy myths.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-12679554

    Article stated:

    Among many disheartening stories in Seymour Hersh’s memoir Reporter is that he alone reported in detail on the order by an American general to attack retreating Iraqis at the end of the Gulf War — this when the Iraqis had been promised safe passage back to their country from Kuwait. The result was a veritable massacre of unarmed men.

    Another lie used to help sell a book.

    Thousands of armed Iraqi soldiers (many of the Republican Guard) were scurrying back to help defend Baghdad in a variety of military vehicles including tanks on what became known as the Highway of Death. Iraqi soldiers who had surrendered by the 1000’s throughout the conflict were unharmed.

    • Replies: @Verity
  42. Franz says:
    @Morton's toes

    They cannot admit to their own selves that they are utter scoundrels.

    So they have THEIR version of The Truman Show.

    Even before the century began, it was noticed that highly paid “news” people all live in upper-crust, often gated MacMansion communities. They are basted in Goodthink anywhere they turn.

    Think of it as a Potemkin Village except they go to those places on purpose. Think. They sling the appropriate words around a couple decades and they become American Institutions. They have lucre, respect and wealth that would gag Herod the Great if he got reincarnated.

    And they never have to get their hands dirty even once. Such a deal.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  43. Miro23 says:
    @Ronnie

    If you criticize our Government the MSM will say you are either an antisemite, a terrorist, a racist or a lunatic. Fortunately, the usual behavior of our Government has become so unsuccessful and dysfunctional that such criticism by the MSM is becoming stunningly inappropriate.

    Agree with that. Even the government controlled narrative has to have some credibility and there is the “deal” aspect. The public will go along with the “group think” as long as they benefit by keeping to the rules – which is not so much the case now for most. Only fear won’t hold it together for long.

    Like in the Soviet Union (prior to its collapse), the public could see the dysfunctional economy, the shopping queues, the bad products and an elite who lived apart with every luxury. From this point of view the US social deal has collapsed while it’s still working fine in places like Russia and China.

  44. Journalists with happenin’ careers aren’t going to bother with 9/11 Truthers because 9/11 Truthers are as boring as a glass of dull dishwater. They are the future equivalent of those old, crusty and mummified 1970s liberals who can still occasionally be seen on some 3AM, local PBS talk show bleating about how inner city black kids don’t have enough school lunches and record players. They have no idea the extent to which time has passed them by. Liberalism has been through several iterations since they were relevant, and today it is all about wokeness and cancel culture, alphabet freaks and UBI. The kids without school lunches are all obese and nobody has cared about the inner city since Clair Huxtable. Record players?

    Add to this the fact that 9/11 Truthers parade a bunch of incoherent nonsense like holograms, no planes, controlled demolition, and mini-nukes, and it isn’t any wonder that journalists don’t have the time for them. The idea that they are being repressed because they are speaking “the truth” is a massive, self-delusional cope.

    You have to pity such people. They were long ago sold a bill of goods by cynical demagogues and they fixed their whole worldview around it. They will still be convinced of the same conspiracy when they are dying in nursing homes, taking no notice of the fact that the intervening three or four decades have done nothing to validate them.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Disagree: Bro43rd
    • Thanks: Alden
  45. The MSM presstitutes lie about everything, so why would they tell the truth about 9/11? And Jews are massively over-represented in presstitute ranks and MSM ownership, in the USA and generally in the West. If the obvious truth, that 9/11 was done by Israel with aid from American sayanim and Sabbat Goy allies, ever became known, it would trigger a catastrophe of unknown proportions that could very well end in the Samson Option where Israel ‘..takes the world down with us’. So the presstitutes are acting out of both self-interest, and in the interests of humanity.

  46. @GomezAdddams

    The moral and intellectual quality of the MSM presstitutes is now somewhere approximate to that of a stupid real estate agent, or a brain damaged paedophile.

  47. gotmituns says:

    Why Do Journalists Hate 9-11 Truthers?
    ————————————————-
    The professional “journalists” caste hate 9-11 truthers because down deep they know the truthers are on to something and they’re too stupid and brainwashed to understand what is being said but still there’s this gnawing feeling inside them that they’ve been duped by their own educational system and leadership.

  48. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Journalists are conservatives.

    Probably the most fallacious statement of the decade.

    Oh yeah, by the way… why do Journalists hate Truthers?

    Jews Hate Truth. Simple answer. Especially when the Truth is a revelation of their Tribal misbehavior.

  49. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    I worked in an international newsroom for a decade, and it was intriguing to observe the evolution of the daily news. Virtually everyone with a writer/journalist/investigative reporter designation in the room was Jewish. There was a rotation of daily editors who had the ultimate authority to determine story angles, headlines, and final go-ahead to print on their assigned day at the helm, and the vast majority of daily editors were Jewish. The Editor-In-Chief over the daily editors was Jewish.

    During the course of an average day there was a constant octopus-like info frenzy with our people reaching out to CNN, NBC, New York Times, Wash Post, etc, and vice-versa. Yet in spite of being different–and supposedly competing–media companies, it was just one vast inter-locked network that determined the daily narrative, what I have come to regard as the ‘Jewish media cartel’ because for the most part it was very left, decidedly liberal, openly anti-Christian and always blatantly pro-Jewish.

    Digressing from the editorial narrative would get you ushered out the door pretty quickly, and then only after you signed the most draconian nondisclosure agreement in order to get your severance.

    • Thanks: Alfred, Robjil, Morton's toes
  50. Personally, I suspect that the MOSSAD was behind the attacks of September 11th. And, what makes it all the more lacking in Chivalry, is their motive: to distract attention away from Israel’s role in the sex traffic. Jews are still smuggling Ukrainian women into “The Holy Land”!

  51. Journalists, today, are nothing more than copy & pasters of Reuters propaganda. There are many videos, available to watch on the Internet, that show news anchors, all over the US, reading the same news, word for word.

    The days of investigative journalistm are long gone within the msm. They’re bought and paid for whores of Israel and nothing more. It is no longer an industry of meritocratic values, but one that employs the ‘woke’ and ‘pre-woke’ generations and an institution to promote emotion over reason.

    The msm is a tentacle of the state; the government’s mouthpiece, regardless whether left or right. And as Goebbels stated about the big lie, the truth is the enemy of the state. Ergo, the reason the msm hates 9/11 truthers and any kind of truth.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  52. Andreas says:

    Great analysis on the Faustian Pact that those in the mainstream media have made with the Zio-Corporate entities who control the official narrative.

    In foreign and security issues, they are fixed like limpets to the story’s surface — and they hate, they despise those free to dig deeper, and who show them up as frauds.

    20 years ago the Philosopher-President George W. Bush explained to the American people that part of the motivation for the 9-11 attackers was that they “hate us for our freedoms.“.

    The tables sure have turned. What sweet irony.

    • Agree: Half Back
  53. BluEidDvl says:
    @Trinity

    Agreed. I’ve never been one to fall for conspiracy theories but to much of the “official” storyline around 9/11 just does not add up. I was in the USAF many years ago (1980-1984) & was once involved in the crash cleanup of a crashed F15A. The sheer amount of debris was astounding. Now, the F15A is a much smaller aircraft than a 757 yet when I see the video/photos of flight 93 crash in Shanksville, there is shockingly little debris 🤔. And HOW could none of those hijacked aircraft been intercepted by our military?, the eastern seaboard is packed with air bases & air national guard stations. As soon as their transponders were turned off it should’ve immediately set off red flags. And of course, building 7! (That just happened to be the east coasts center for NSA/CIA records). And that ALL of these guys were able to get utility knives on board the planes (even before 9/11, carry on bag checks were normal) yet all of them got through. And really, a bunch of middle eastern guys buying one way tickets with cash never set off warning bells?!. Maybe these were all examples of amazing coincidences converging on a single day?. A “perfect storm” of sheer ineptitude & good luck (for the “terrorists”) coinciding?. Or maybe, there’s something more nefarious going on than meets the eye?..

    • Agree: Trinity
  54. Biff says:
    @dms578

    If you think journalists can’t handle your so called truth try the FDNY and NYPD who were actually there. If they are not furious they will laugh in your face. We live here dear and I know several people who actually saw the planes fly into towers and one building pancake and collapse. Bldg 7 was a storage site for contraband seized by the NYPD. Try to think about that. None of the men thought it questionable that it blew up. My brother senior FDNY HAZMAT was responsible for teams examine sites there was absolutely no evidence of any explosives anywhere. My husband was an eyewitness on west street. Allot of media people are based here. More relevant question to ask is why the public has so many certifiable nuts who think everything is a conspiracy. Try to say this to yourself as many times as possible until it sinks in.

    Well, I was there too, standing on the 72nd floor watching the bombs go off(which is as believable as your nonsense[because it’s the internet]).

    • LOL: Peripatetic Itch
  55. All cultures and societies (no exceptions) consist of fables, fairy tales, myths, legends, lies, hoaxes, and bullsh-t.

    Each culture’s narrative is protected by taboos, and sustained by group-think. The narrative determines what the culture regards as normal, moral, and “real.”

    Most people within a culture enforce the narrative. They act as policemen to keep out alternatives. They serve as gardeners to weed out truth.

    To question a society’s lies is to subvert people’s world views and personal senses of identity.

    Quite simplyt, bullsh-t makes the world go round. It is ridiculous but reliable, false but familiar, crazy but comfortable.

    A society’s bullsh-t is designated by the society’s rulers, and is upheld by mass willingness to be enslaved.

    • Thanks: Carolyn Yeager
  56. @dms578

    Bldg 7 was a storage site for contraband seized by the NYPD. Try to think about that. None of the men thought it questionable that it blew up.

    What? Explosive contraband? Then how come:

    My brother senior FDNY HAZMAT was responsible for teams examine sites there was absolutely no evidence of any explosives anywhere.

    So what blew up Building 7? And it blew up after the BBC had announced that it had already blown up and Larry Silverstein told them to “pull it” down. Sans explosives?

  57. Simply put, quoting a famous Alan Soral quote : ” Journalists are either prostitutes or unemployed” ” Les journalistes sont des putes ou des chomeurs. “…..

  58. Half Back says:
    @AKAHorace

    You are so far wrong I don’t know where to start. Many facts present themselves ie- planes smashed into buildings – Israeli spies were set up in New Jersey to take historic photographs before the first plane hit. So their slam dunk, Jews knew! That means they are co-conspirators or equally held responsible in law for not stooping a terrorist plot. How many Mossad payed operatives ( Muslim) causing havoc over the world for last 70 years- tried to knock off or kill President Truman as according to his own memoirs. As badger said so much self incriminating evidence placing Israel as a co conspirator. Who knew!

  59. gotmituns says:
    @GMC

    but thousands of construction people who have worked on highrises throughout the cities
    ———————————————————————————————————
    BINGO – The explosive charges were in the inner core/elevator shafts planted during normal maintenance over a long period of time. When the decoy planes hit, the explosives were detonated by remote control from a safe distance – simple. The only reason there were Arabs involved was to fly the decoy planes into the buildings and be the fall guys.

    • Thanks: GMC
  60. anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    Slate.com columnist Jeremy Stahl . . .

    Why didn’t the author post this freak Stahl’s photo, and everyone would have understood everything at once. The most likely reason this guy opposes 9/11 truth is because he’s Jewish. In the aftermath of 9/11, from London to Sydney, Jews with no special knowledge of the event like this guy were frenetically defending the official narrataive about nineteen magical Arabs who one day couldn’t taxi a Cessna 150 trainer without a flight instructor at their side, then almost the next day flying a Boeing 757 solo in coordinated maneuvers professional pilots with thousands of hours said were impossible–because they are impossible. The supposed hijackers couldn’t makes a controled descending turn in a 150, which is difficult enough for the best of beginners.

    The 9/11 impossilities go on and on and yet it’s not just traitors like this Stahl who shut down reinvestigation, but also the Republicans, Con Inc, and Fox News, whose elaborate efforts at concealment over the past twenty years provide powerful evidence of their guilt. Moreover, these stooges of Israel demand certainty for each element of evidence or maintain it’s no evidence at all, so that evidence that’s, say, 90% certain and qualifies as “beyond a reasonable doubt” is denied. Finally, they deny that evidence that individually is inconclusive can be added together to arrive at sufficient probility to prove the case, which of course it can be, and for the obvious reason it proves that Israel did 9/11 beyond any reasonable doubt. If Christopher Bolyn’s articles don’t prove this, nothing will.

  61. “Gage is responsible for peddling some of the most pernicious and long-running lies about the 9/11 attacks,” writes Stahl. Indeed, his article thunders with the rage typical of commentators who have made it big in America’s fraught journalistic landscape.

    Richard Gage is simply a convenient ad hominem pinata to bash – as of 5Sept2020 there are over 3400 architects/engineers that question the official 11Sept2001 WTC buildings 1, 2 & 7 narrative.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/

    The “Dear Fred” letter below was posted in the comments section at Unz Review in response to Fred Reed’s essay Nine-Eleven by the Numbers (https://www.unz.com/freed/nine-eleven-by-the-numbers/?showcomments#comments) published on 16Jan2020:

    [MORE]

    Dear Fred,

    I read your essay – Nine-Eleven by the Numbers – at The Unz Review and would like to direct your attention to the physical evidence compiled by at group of architects and engineers – 3,238 members strong their website can be found at the following link (https://www.ae911truth.org/).

    I would also like to introduce you to a gentleman by name of Leroy Hulsey a professor from the University of Alaska Fairbanks College of Engineering and Mines who (along with his team) studied the collapse of World Trade Center building 7 on 11Sept2001. His credentials can be found at the following link (http://cem.uaf.edu/cee/people/leroy-hulsey.aspx).

    And boy, oh, boy do they have a physical evidence based story for you.

    Italicized/bold text was excerpted from http://www.ae911truth.org a report titled:

    “60 Structural Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Demolition “

    Editor’s Note: Since its inception in 2006, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has remained steadfast in its mission of exposing the flaws in the claims made by the National Institute of Safety and Technology (NIST) namely, that the impact of two planes and the resulting fires brought down three steel-framed skyscrapers on September 11, 2001. We do scientific, cogent, and comprehensive analyses, backed by forensically-tested, unassailable facts.

    One outcome of our insistence on remaining true to our mission is that our ranks of signatories has swelled from less than a dozen to nearly 3,000 building and technical professionals who are petitioning the government for a new, independent investigation of the catastrophic destruction at the World Trade Center on 9/11. Additionally, over 20,000 citizens have signed the AE911Truth petition, and more than 400,000 supporters have “liked” our Facebook page.

    While much of AE911Truth’s success can be ascribed to the perseverance of its founder and the other members of its board of directors, who have remained focused on the science, none of its achievements would have been possible without the professional credibility lent by an ever-growing contingent of professional signatories: structural engineers. The members of this distinguished group, numbering 60 to date, are experts in the capability of steel-frame structures to resist all kinds of forces. Their courage in stepping up to speak the inconvenient truth secures for them a venerable place as the scientific backbone of AE911Truth.

    Five years after 9/11, San Francisco Bay Area architect Richard Gage, AIA, began raising technical questions among his professional colleagues about the destruction of the Twin Towers and 47-story WTC Building 7. He realized that an organized effort by building professionals and scientists was needed to shine light on the government’s false version of 9/11. In the years since founding AE911Truth, Gage has discovered that those who take time to look at the facts overwhelmingly agree that vital questions about the forensic evidence and video testimony remain unanswered by government officials

    The structural engineers we spoke to are calling for a new investigation into the catastrophic destruction of the three World Trade Center high-rises on September 11. The implications of the controlled demolition evidence as outlined on our website are staggering, says Gage, speaking on behalf of the group’s architects and engineers. We therefore invite all Americans to examine the science-based forensic evidence very carefully and come to their own conclusions.

    Lomba’s conclusion, drawn from his initial perceptions and validated by subsequent developments, is clear: Even if, for the sake of discussion, we accept the hypothesis that the fire protection was damaged and the fires somehow weakened the steel frames, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

    Scott challenges his fellow structural engineers: The building performance on 9/11 matched controlled demolition. It does not match fire-induced collapse. We have the expertise to discern this. Do we have the courage to broadcast it?

    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles/articles-by-ae911truth/199-60-structural-engineers

    Italicized/bold text was excerpted from http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7 a report titled:

    “A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7”

    Project Summary

    This is a study of the collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC7) at 5:20 P.M. on September 11, 2001.

    The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

    The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

    The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

    There will be a two-month public comment period from September 3 to November 15, 2019, with the final report to be released in early 2020. During this period, we welcome any and all members of the public to submit constructive comments intended to further the analyses and presentation of findings contained in the report. Designated reviewers external to UAF and Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will also review the report during this period. Commenters are asked to send their comments in an attached PDF or Word document to [email protected].

    It is our conclusion that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of all columns in the building and not a progressive collapse involving the sequential failure of columns throughout the building. Despite simulating a number of hypothetical scenarios, we were unable to identify any progressive sequence of failures that could have taken place on September 11, 2001, and caused a total collapse of the building, let alone the observed straight-down collapse with approximately 2.5 seconds of free fall and minimal differential movement of the exterior.

    http://ine.uaf.edu/media/222439/uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019.pdf

    These professionals have placed their reputations on the line in directly rebutting the US governments official explanations of World Trade Center buildings 1, 2 and 7 collapses on 11Sept2001 by pointing out mountains of contradictory physical evidence and asking questions deemed verboten by the main stream media. The evidence they have uncovered screams out for an independent investigation into the tragic events that occurred that day. Then and only then would it be possible to answer questions as to who was responsible and how their plan was carried out.

    Follow the evidence – everything else is misdirection.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  62. “which side of the bread holds the butter.”

    LOL. The phrase you are looking for, oh American, is “which side their bread is buttered”.

    Can you please stop bastardising the English language, just because you’re too stupid and lazy to remember simple phrases?

    It’s “could NOT care less” and “more THAN”, by the way, for the rest of you American idiots.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  63. Victor999 says:

    It’s a very hard thing for a respected reporter, admired by family, friends, community and colleagues to admit even to himself that he is nothing but a paid prostitute – that his life, his integrity, his honour and his character are marred by that fact, he is only a paid shill.

  64. Whoever did it, did it for a reason: either to benefit Israel or to loot America or both. All else is hogwash.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  65. Before the 9-11 “Truthers” there were the 9-11 “Inside Jobbers”.

    The Truthers were an establishment media (shit lib) creation that occurred after the Inside Jobber movement was crushed by linguistic and cognitive infiltrations.

    The Inside Jobbers were New York City locals, nearly all Democrats and self-styled liberals. Yes, liberals didn’t buy the obvious BS Bush and Cheney were peddling. Not until the Clintons jumped on board the narrative and helped destabilize the truth.

    The inside Jobbers weren’t censored. The pre-social media internet had not been turned into the giant pro-war platform it is now. A very public battle between White House an AOL chairman Steve Case erupted over the demand by War Party elements to CENSOR AOL… And the Inside Jobbers.

    The elevation of 9-11 Truthers over the 9-11 Inside Jobbers was a linguistic sleight of hand that conferred the status of an Anti-Semite-hood on anyone doubted the Official Government Line on anything… Including Afghan Cavemen, Iraq Yellow cake, Anthrax letters, etc, etc.

    The Truth Movement is the rotting corpse of the Inside Job reality.

    The FBI director in September 2001 told Congress that cavemen in Afghanistan helped plan and execute the attacks. His name was Robert Mueller. Donald Rumsfeld was on TV providing fake evidence of caveman Bin Laden in command centers James Bond’s Dr. No would envy… With help from the art department of the pro-war Times of London.

    There’s also the famous clip of Mueller condemning America to 20 years of war at his Congressional testimony where he laid the blame on Afghanistan… He also whined that he’d on only been on the job a few months/weeks.

    A careful reconstruction of the media record in the aftermath the 9-11 should always end with George Bush making fun of Joe Patriot at the Annual White House Correspondence Dinner… Listen to the media laugh.

    “Ha Ha, No weapons over there!”

  66. Z-man says:

    It seems that there are to be no dissenting voices on the twentieth anniversary of 9-11. Even film director Spike Lee was forced by media outcry to edit out of his documentary mini-series the half-hour dedicated to skeptics of the official version of the event. Thus the citizenry has been saved from “a bog of heinously dangerous ideas.”

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
    911 was a Mossad job.

  67. Why do journalists favor the government version so fiercely?

    They want to keep their jobs

    • Agree: acementhead
  68. PSCHOPS at it’s finest and the people fell for it ! War and sensationalism is good for news business.
    A great percentage of the American people reacted to it like it was Pearl Harbor and for twenty years really believed we were in a fight for our lives with their flags and Lee Greenwood tapes at ballgames and other rubbish. No declaration of war, 4 dead per month vs 23000 a month as was in WW2 and they were able to get these dumbed downed panic people wrapped around there finger.
    People buy the BS ! They succeeded in instilling a war-time mindset into the people despite the fact that were not fighting, not being drafted, not rationing or sacrificing. A dumbed-down population can be easily manipulated and put into a state of fear in which they can fall victim to lies and pushed to support extreme outlandish ideas and solutions.

    • Agree: gottlieb
  69. DanFromCT says:
    @dms578

    More relevant question to ask is why the public has so many certifiable nuts who think everything is a conspiracy.

    On your own lights, then, you’re hoist by your own petard for implying that anyone who believes the official fairy tale about a conspiracy of Arabs is certifiably nuts. What about the many hundreds of unarguably qualified evidence evaluators in the relevant fields of demolition, engineering, architecture, metallurgy, seismology, piloting, etc, who don’t think everything is a conspiracy, but follow the evidence wherever it leads, and believe that overwhelmingly conclusive circumstantial evidence proves that Israel did 9/11. In the words of Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Marine officer and later director of the US Army War College, “Israel did 9/11, period.” What about conspiracy-in-fact? On what epistemic grounds do you a priori rule out even the possibility of conspiracy if it disagrees with the official narrative? What makes you think your unsupported assertions are sacrosanct while straightforward evidence and the opinion of experts is not?

    • Agree: 2stateshmustate, W
  70. @Intelligent Dasein

    “Add to this the fact that 9/11 Truthers parade a bunch of incoherent nonsense like holograms, no planes, controlled demolition, and mini-nukes, and it isn’t any wonder that journalists don’t have the time for them. The idea that they are being repressed because they are speaking “the truth” is a massive, self-delusional cope.”

    If something is being floated on the public, in the case of holograms, the military-industrial complex has weaponized it already. The many videos, that day, proved CGI, with the planes. Only a fool would disagree. There are two theories that can be made for the no plane theory. Firstly there were no planes, as proven in the videos. Secondly there was one plane, but they had to use CGI over it, in order to disguise the fact that it wasn’t a 757 but some kind of military plane, most likely full of explosives. And mini-nukes is a very debatable subject, considering the damage done to the WTC, with INSTANT obliteration of concrete.

    “You have to pity such people.”

    Coming from someone who has written the nonsense you have?

    You’re most likely a troll, as people have already called you out as. You may very well just be incredibly ignorant, or of course, one of the many disinformation agents, put into popular sites to cause discord. I’m thinking more the latter because no one can be so stupid as to believe the official narrative of what happened on 9/11.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  71. saggy says: • Website

    The image at the start of this Jew disinformation piece tells the whole story … “9/11, we will never forget”. The Jews are about destroying the faith of the American population in their own government, so absurd charges of treason, disloyalty, corruption are the norm. And the 9/11 truthers do a complete job. They base their entire argument on the controlled demolition of the WTC buildings. To believe this idiocy you have to believe that everyone in the govt. from the president on down is a traitor and part of the conspiracy, as well as the local police, the military, the FAA, the congress, agencies like NIST, the academics, i.e. 99% of them who aren’t truthers, et. al. If you believe that then you’re a prime candidate for a ‘revolution’, it is cultural marxism on steroids.

    And, as a corollary, the 9/11 truthers hide the true cause of 9/11, the fact that the US military had been bombing countries in the ME continuously, EVERY DAY, from the start of Gulf War 1 up till 9/11/2001, and that bombing continues to this day, 40,000 bombs in 2017…. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/18/trump-administration-drops-bombs-record-pace-afghanistan-war/4181084002/

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  72. Trinity says:

    5 Dancing Israelis = NUFF SAID.

    News dropped immediately. Suspects free to go home.

    Just imagine if these guys were Chinese, or Russians, or Iranians, I don’t think they would have been treated so nicely.

    Given the history of Israel with the USS Liberty, Lavon Affair, Pollard and the Rosenbergs, etc. the question is WHY NOT AGAIN?

    What did Jacob Rubenstein want to stop Oswald from saying?

    The fact that any credible news source did not suspect Israel tells you everything you need to know about who controls the narrative.

    • Thanks: Half Back
  73. A few days ago there was a very strange article by Manuel Garcia about this theme in Counterpunch. If I understood what he said, he said he was a member of the demolition team…..

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  74. Trinity says:

    OFF TOPIC but did ISIS ever attack Israel? I don’t recall ever hearing of ISIS attacking Israel. Was this not worthy of some “journalist” jumping on this story.

    • Replies: @nsa
    , @W
  75. @tanabear

    Excellent video.
    How any rational person can watch this video and not call BS on the official story is well, not rational.

  76. Confessions of a Secret Controlled Demolitions Special Operative for 911: This was the title of the article in Counterpunch. First I thought it was the first of April or any other joke. Sorry that I didn’t post the title of the article in my post above where I mentioned it.

  77. Anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Former FBI agent who worked on still-secret FBI 9/11 case says hijackers had U.S.-based support network
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-fbi-agent-who-worked-on-still-secret-fbi-911-case-says-hijackers-had-us-based-support-network/

  78. Max Payne says:

    9/11 Truthers tend to come with a variety of false pretenses. Like underground Wal Mart military bases or flat earth notions.

    Though the whole 9/11 movement did teach me that people would rather believe in elaborate nearly incomprehensible theories than to admit American construction is shoddy as hell.

    Fix or repair daily, built Ford tough.

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  79. Hillary Clinton, Big Media and the FBI had to cook up a story that Trump was a Putin stooge when they could have gone after him as a 9/11 truther because “You can’t touch that.”

    https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-september-11-interview-214134740.html#click=https://t.co/G2TROZzEWT

  80. @RJ Macready

    How is it disrespectful??? If anything it’s an honor. What other name would you have decided on?

    Just as Nov 5th in England is Guy Fawkes day, Sept 11th should be Traitors Day.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  81. @Miro23

    “Cushy jobs are something to treasure and a bit of BLM/Antifa and Jewish butt kissing looks like a small price to pay.”

    In a nutshell!

    There are times when Noam Chomsky actually does speak the truth to Jewish Supremacism, Inc. (JSI), and although exceedingly rare, those times are definitely worth noting, bookmarking and sharing. Let me do so herein.

    This is very likely the most important work Chomsky ever did in that regard, to defend a righteous jew who told the uncomfortable truth about the Holocaust Industry: Dr Norman Finkelstein, a real mensch and a listed contributor here at TUR.

    This brief but monumentally important essay explains in simple terms the power of JSI, and how that power is disseminated throughout the MSM with nary a word spoken. If you can’t figure out from not-so-subtle cues what side your matzohs are buttered on, your journalistic career is toast:

    https://chomsky.info/power01/

    This is professional journalism ‘natural selection’ at its absolute worst. The results are on display 24/7/365 in the MSM across the West, and we all suffer the consequences therefrom, especially those unlucky enough to live in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, etc., etc..

    The ridiculous MSM reportage of what happened on 9/11 is just a small part of this affliction……

    • Thanks: Thomasina
  82. @Trinity

    The only reason I am safe in my home from the people who run the world is they have not – yet – seen a reason to do something to me. (That may be changing with their need to repeatedly inject EVERYONE with drugs. ) The people who run the world saw the 3,000 people who died on 9/11 as collateral damage if they considered those 3,000 people at all.

    • Replies: @profnasty
  83. aandrews says:

    “…reporters were hacks: working-class guys who wore their suits poorly and smoked too much.”

    I think Mike Royko pointed that out in a column once, that back in the day being a newspaper guy was a blue collar trade, with fist fights in bar alleys over split infinitives.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  84. Verity says:
    @Anonymous

    Let’s see. Seymour Hersch or you! Whom to believe? Really!!

  85. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Today’s so-called “journalists” are not even worth discussing.

    They are totalitarian propagandists for global corporate socialism.

    That’s all they’ve been for a very very long time.

    Perhaps Tucker Carlson tries to tell the truths as much as anyone is allowed to do in the so-called “free world”.

    Miraculously, some truth does leak out for a few days before the totalitarians move in and make it vanish:

    https://911review.Com

    • Replies: @Trinity
  86. Two very important quotes that essentially sum up today and more importantly the very vehicle used to heavily indoctrinate the public and keep them like mushrooms ‘in the dark’ – the msm.

    “In times of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act” George Orwell.

    “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” – Selwyn Duke.

    And look at the msm? Look at how it pillories and castigates anyone who speaks the truth? The problem is though, the truth cannot be defeated for it is absolute. It can be locked up but it cannot be destroyed. Only deceit can be destroyed the very enemy of the truth.

    “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident”. – Arthur Schopenhauer

    The truth is like a lion; you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself.” – Augustine of Hippo

    Remember George Bush? “Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.”

    And how about the Wizard of Oz? “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”

    Bottom line? Whatever the msm (government, NGO’s, quangos, think tanks etc) is telling you to believe, you should believe the exact opposite.

    • Agree: Niebelheim, Thomasina
  87. Trinity says:
    @Jon Chance

    All out of THANKS, but tanks for the video.

  88. nsa says:
    @Trinity

    “……did ISIS ever attack the Izzies?”
    They are called Joohadis for a reason.

  89. Happy twentieth anniversary, everyone.

    OK, but still, we’ve lost a couple of good people this year. Two I’d like to mention.

    Ed Asner:

    For Architects & Engineers:

    And shortly before his death:

    Robert David Steele

    They fought the good fight.

    • Thanks: Agent76, Iris
    • Replies: @Agent76
  90. Robjil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Who did it would not be boring? That is what scares the heck out of the west’s ruling class. It would point the arrow back at western MSM for hiding from us who really did it.

    World wide knowledge of who really did it, would bring down the entire ruling class of the western world in one second. It would resemble the quick falling of the Twin Tower buildings. Jewish Victim Power would all turn to dust. It could never rise again ever.

    Looking only at Falling Buildings-ers (Truthers) often fear to look at who did it. Since, the western ruling class did it, they must fear the west’s ruling class more that the “Truth”.

  91. The media outlets will inundate the public with the official trashy 9/11 narrative that almost everybody believes. The author’s characterization of the media class hits the nail. The official narrative is a government-imposed conspiracy theory set in stone, like the assassination of JFK. The media scoundrels are nothing other than paid whores who have to please their paymasters. In fact, they are poor creatures without any self-respect and insincere chutzpah. Any prostitute has more pride and self-respect; they are pursuing an honorable business.

    The official 9/11 narrative is just baloney. The 9/11 Commission Report is fake from start to finish. The real perpetrators are still alive and kicking in the US. I rather believe in Santa and Easter Bunny. They are more “real.”

    • Agree: Thomasina
  92. annamaria says:

    Jeremy Stahl is a perfect chihuahua of American ‘journalism.’

    Firstly, concerning his spiteful attitude towards 9-11 truthers, Jeremy Stahl is a total ignoramus in structural engineering: Jeremy Stahle is a “graduate of Emory University, with degrees in Political Science and Government.”
    Secondly, he is profitably uncurious about structural engineering.
    Thirdly, he is a (profitably) aggressive presstitute.

  93. Trinity says:

    When your motto is “by way of deception”…. yada yada yada….. that just about tells you all you need to know about these people. That and a proven track record of less than acceptable behavior from a so-called “ally” of America.

    • Agree: DaveE
  94. W says:
    @dms578

    If you think journalists can’t handle your so called truth try the FDNY and NYPD who were actually there. If they are not furious they will laugh in your face. We live here dear and I know several people who actually saw the planes fly into towers and one building pancake and collapse.

    The OP didn’t endorse the no plain theory.

    You didn’t see buildings pancake, no one did. There is no visual indicator that the towers “pancaked”; the floors didn’t touch each other.

    The twin towers exploded, they didn’t just fall, you parsons can’t get around that.

  95. @gotmituns

    Something I remember from many years ago: FBI got a big bunch of wanted criminals to show up at a hotel by mailing them a letter that they had won something and had to go to that hotel to collect it. A bunch of Arabs could have been on planes on 9/11/2001 using the same technique: bamboozle them with some story that they would be paid for taking those flights or there was some opportunity.

  96. The process of ‘searing one’s conscience’ begins in our culture, starting in public schools – just one of the institutions under total control of the new normal.
    Allan Stevo does an excellent job of exposing the system in – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2021/08/overpaid-insecure-and-unintelligent.html?m=0 – which parents are now discovering as a result of DaCovidCaper.
    Decades ago, our fame and fortune was directed at movie actors, singers and other entertainers. As the populace was dumbed down, the new entertainers are on DaEveningNews – it’s a freaking cult!

  97. Serious journalists dismiss Truthers because they are silly cranks, like fifty or sixty other varieties of onspiracy theorists who believe that there are microchips in vaccines, space aliens in Roswell,FEMA, black helicopters, and (no doubt) dinosaurs being grown by the Pentagon as bio weapons. The cranks, being ignored, see this as further proof of conspiracy.

  98. onebornfree says: • Website

    “9/11 – A Conspiracy Theory”

    Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes:

    https://odysee.com/@corbettreport:0/9-11-a-conspiracy-theory:e

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  99. What happened to all of the putative passengers on those putative flights who presumably had numerous surviving friends, family and loved ones?

  100. AndrewR says:
    @Anon

    Jews can’t betray goyim

    • Replies: @DaveE
  101. W says:
    @AKAHorace

    JFK was a pretty and charismatic media figure, the masses could not accept that he was killed by a random lunatic.

    Hand-wave away mountains of evidence with a sentence, you must be a pseudo skeptic.

    How did a random lunatic know that JFK was going ride past the book depository?

    Arranging the controlled explosion of buildings while you fake aircraft crashes is incredibly complicated and requires a lot of risk taking

    Yet camal jockeys got in the US and pulled off the most complicated black op in history without the most sofistacated intelligence agencies knowing about it.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/how-can-a-global-conspiracy-work-questions-for-corbett-074/#


    Fire cannot make a building explode.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @lee
    , @Alden
    , @AKAHorace
  102. Entropy says:
    @AKAHorace

    If the right people are onboard, complicated is not a problem. Evidence is destroyed, and they run the “investigation”, which starts with the predetermined explanation of events.

    • Replies: @RestiveUs
  103. Ragno says:
    @Morton's toes

    They cannot admit to their own selves that they are utter scoundrels.

    Yes.

    Somewhere along the way journalists stopped speaking truth to power – though it’s questionable if they ever did – and began speaking “truth” on behalf of power.

    The trick was convincing themselves that both were identical; which becomes easier and easier to do once you come to believe that the continued, uninterrupted control exerted over society by the ruling classes represents some mythical “greater good”.

  104. Turk 152 says:

    Because journalists are just like every other lazy thinker and process reality as threats from outsiders, rather than holding ones own tribe accountable for anything. The person who looks like you, talks like you must be good and foreigners must be evil. Counter narratives to 9/11 requires us to exam ourselves as the source of all these great evils. Slap a poster of Bin Laden on the tele and all of those instincts get triggered. It’s not that hard to go from the everyday, run of the mill racism to Bin Laden, while it takes tremendous mental gymnastics to point to WASP Bush. Journalists just tell people what they want to hear. How many people are actually capable stepping outside their own superior cultural narrative and owning anything about their way of life, thoughts and beliefs?

  105. DaveE says:
    @Ronnie

    Have you noticed how many Jews are surrounding Biden and controlling all major branches of our Government ? It is a total takeover.

    If you’ve ever read a 120 – 150 year old document known as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, you will understand that the Jews have been planning this for a long, long time. They work together like a well-oiled machine, each doing their part to further the ideology of their vile, demonic so-called “religion” – the complete Jewish takeover of THE WORLD.

    The Jews are masters of planning, organization and the implementation of pure, demonic EVIL.

    9/11 was a huge wake-up call for me. I was told by a Jewish friend, in 1978, that “a single event would happen, in our lifetime”, that would “turn things around for the Jew” and he would never be ” pushed around by the WASPs, ever again.” I spent the next 23 years thinking that Jews were insane, but harmless. Then 9/11 happened and I realized how utterly WRONG I was, on both counts.

    The best thing about 9/11 (if there’s anything to be thankful for) is that it has caused a HUGE awakening in Americans. Once you realize that THE JEWS DID IT, the light goes off and you start to realize the truth about all the other gargantuan crimes done by The Jew throughout history.

  106. The further a society drifts from the truth , the more it will hate those that speak it, George Orwell.

    The truth is that Israel and traitors in the ZUS government did the attack on the WTC and the pentagram on 911, this attack was blamed on muslims to give the ZUS the excuse to destroy the middle east for Israel.

    To see how it was done, go to drjudywood.com and wheredidthetowersgo.com.

  107. DaveE says:
    @AndrewR

    Jews can’t betray goyim

    That’s true. You can’t betray someone you were never loyal to in the first place. Shlomo has ALWAYS hated humanity.

  108. Sparkon says:

    …the presence of explosive material in the dust that spread through Manhattan
    […]
    that the leader of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Richard Gage,

    Good article, but two quick points, if I may.

    1) Strictly speaking, thermite is not an explosive material.

    Watch the video here and note how long it takes the thermite grenade to cut through make a hole in a piece of steel:

    https://www.military.com/video/ammunition-and-explosives/grenades/the-thermite-grenade/983538042001

    2) Richard Gage has been promoting a falsehood about the angled cuts noted on some steel members in photographs taken after 9/11, saying they are possible evidence of thermite use on Sept. 11, 2001, but please see my comments and related discussion on this point at the link:

    Image: nowtheendbegins dot com

    https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-was-a-straussian-coup/?showcomments#comment-4871983

    In short, the angled cuts were made after 9/11 by clean-up crews.

  109. annamaria says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Food for thought: https://www.voltairenet.org/article213935.html

    In order to implement the USA Patriot Act, a new department was created, the Homeland Security Department, which brings together various existing agencies. It has a political police force capable of spying on any citizen … it has hired 835,000 civil servants, 112,000 of whom are secretly employed, making the United States the most Orwellian country on the planet. The way this department works was revealed in 2013 by Edward Snowden. Snowden not only provided information about the NSA’s foreign eavesdropping system, but also about domestic mass surveillance in the US. He now lives as a political refugee in Russia. …

    By publishing a number of internal US military reports, Julian Assange has not revealed any sensitive information. But all these documents show that the Pentagon has never been interested in winning the post-9/11 wars. Assange was persecuted to the point of insanity.

    To wage these wars, the Pentagon secretly created clandestine Special Forces: 60,000 soldiers without uniforms. They are capable of assassinating anyone in any country without leaving any trace.

    • Thanks: Agent76, denk, Morton's toes
  110. MrE3001 says:

    “Journalists” are a mouthpiece for judaism. Judaism is behind 9-11. Not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

  111. skrik says:

    Follow the evidence – everything else is misdirection

    Of course, but since the psychopathic tyrant rulers [of ZUSA + most of ‘the rest of the West’], their puppet politicians – of all ‘sides,’ the judiciary, academe and all the rest of the MIC-complex, plus now pharma/medical, are all ‘singing from the same [lying!] hymn sheet,’ who could do any ‘independent investigation,’ other than we the honest truthers?

    PS My ‘9/11 mantra’ [repeat]: *No* nukes, mini or otherwise, *no* DEW and *no* dustification of steel, all ‘forbidden’ by not passing the elementary ‘smell-test;’ any/all promoters of such stinky concepts are enemies of the truth = aiding the perps. rgds

    PPS We can’t even trust RT:

    “Nineteen attackers hijacked four passenger airplanes and crashed three of them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The fourth plane crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania after passengers rose up and overpowered the hijackers. The attacks were blamed on Al-Qaeda, a group run by former Saudi national Osama Bin Laden.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/533925-biden-911-classified-documents-order/

    Filthy liars, why does RT do it?

    • Thanks: denk
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @DaveE
  112. W says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Journalists with happenin’ careers aren’t going to bother with 9/11 Truthers because 9/11 Truthers are as boring as a glass of dull dishwater.

    And the one without “happenin” careers? Why are they silent? I guess they find 911 truth boring.

    Add to this the fact that 9/11 Truthers parade a bunch of incoherent nonsense like holograms, no planes, controlled demolition, and mini-nukes, and it isn’t any wonder that journalists don’t have the time for them. The idea that they are being repressed because they are speaking “the truth” is a massive, self-delusional cope.

    Boilerplate psudeoskeptic drivel. You reduce all anti insock narrative ideas into one, the no plane theory and CD theory are not in the same league when it come to the evidence that substantiates them, not that you acknowledge evidence that contradicts the IN.

    The twin towers didn’t simply “fall”. They exploded. Give an explanation how this happened smart boi. Provide a rational explanation why debris and steel blew from the tower.

    You have to pity such people. They were long ago sold a bill of goods by cynical demagogues and they fixed their whole worldview around it. They will still be convinced of the same conspiracy when they are dying in nursing homes, taking no notice of the fact that the intervening three or four decades have done nothing to validate them

    Right back at you.


    • Thanks: annamaria
  113. @gotmituns

    There were NO hijackers; there were NO planes.

    • Agree: GMC
  114. annamaria says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    How many of your favorite “serious journalists” have a degree in structural engineering and metallurgy? https://www.voltairenet.org/article213935.html

    To date, there is no physical explanation for the collapse of three of the World Trade Center towers onto their own footprints (i.e. vertically). The Twin Towers were hit by two planes, but were not shaken. … A third tower was destabilised by the fall of the first two to its side. It too collapsed, not laterally, but vertically.

    It should be noted that no explanation was given for the lateral explosions heard by the firemen and widely filmed, nor for the vertical beams that were severed and not melted; two pieces of evidence attesting not to an accidental but to controlled demolition.

    It should also be noted that no collapse of skyscrapers has ever been observed, either before or after 9/11, following a large-scale fire… and that no one has learned the lessons of this attack and therefore changed the way such buildings are constructed to prevent such a catastrophe. Finally, the photographs taken by firefighters of “pools” of molten steel and those taken by FEMA of the melting rocks in which the foundations were built are inexplicable according to the official version.

    You are free to demonstrate your expertise in engineering and materials science.

  115. Here is Robert David Steele on 9 1 1 on BitChute:


  116. @dms578

    My husband was an eyewitness on west street.

    I believe you. My neighbor’s friend’s cousin saw the passport of the hijacker, Satam al-Suqami, flutter to the ground after the plane crash.

    • LOL: Biff
  117. From my files:
    Under both natural and also well-defined positive law, every member of the Senate, ~97% of the House, Jack Dorsey (Twitter), ZTY [“ZuckerTanYahu” (my tag), FB], Jeff Bezos and thousands of other JAR [“JewAmerican Regime”] nabobs deserve to hang many times over for the murder of millions of poor colored folks in their own homes in countries all over the Planet and especially of Muslims in MENA. AFTOC = “After a Fair Trial, Of Course”.

    GWOT has been a bloody fraud from its first shot. Old KinkHenKi, with the late Aerial Shaboom as his XO, staged JL–911 [“Jewish Lightning”] as psywar cover for aggravating JAPE [”JewAmerican Planetary Empire”] military despotism both at home and abroad. As often noted before, I was the only analyst in the world publicly to point to the perps of JL–911 on the same day of the Stunt. In the two decades since then, my revelation has spread universally as the OCT or “Official Conspiracy Theory” aka “BOBL” for “Blame” Guess Whom has collapsed on the heads of JAPE’s legion of hired propaganda apparatchiki aka “MSM” + accomplices.

    Consequently, JeWorld HQ last year unleashed against our HuRa the juflu. JAPE intends to abuse TopBot –aka AlphaGo Zero* in one of its important manifestations– to outwit and outplay our racial 8-BRU [“Billion, Rounded Up”] beneath them.

    [*See
    ==> https://www.alphago-games.com/
    for deep & graphic demonstration of intellectual dominance.]
    ¡A.I. Caramba!

    Ai Caramba Samba https://tinyurl.com/y3sbvcb4

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
  118. W says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Serious journalists dismiss Truthers because they are silly cranks, like fifty or sixty other varieties of onspiracy theorists who believe that there are microchips in vaccines, space aliens in Roswell,FEMA, black helicopters, and (no doubt) dinosaurs being grown by the Pentagon as bio weapons. The cranks, being ignored, see this as further proof of conspiracy

    Of course, and by “serious” you mean journalists that go along with the insoc narrative in the first place.

    Circular reasoning.

    Microchips in vaccines, dinosaurs being grown in the pentagon are on the same level of Dick Cheney refusing to let jets intercept the “highjacked” planes.

    Riiiight. You people(see post 44) know exactly what you’re doing when you pull this crap.

    How did fire make the twin towers explode?

    Why did Cheney refuse to intercept the planes?

    PS

    I just found a incredible resource for 911 truthers

    https://archive.org/details/911/day/20010911#/

    You can watch media response to 911 in real time as it was.

    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Sparkon
  119. @Notsofast

    It is the same business-model employed by and in the concealed-credit-charge industry.

    Worldwide, the credit / charge-card issuers receive and record about \$2 billion per day in concealed-credit-charges, euphemistically labeled “Merchant Fees” but which they have to recognize internally (and under GAAP) as (concealed) interest charges paid by the card-user and not the merchant.

    If the card-user does not pay, then the issuer never receives the “Merchant” Fee and that reality of the credit business cannot be avoided by a label.

    About 10% of the worldwide gross – or \$200 million per day – is a direct rake-off from VAT and other government sales-taxes that are run through these accounts.

    Then about 20% of the gross – or \$400 million per day – is kicked-back as “Membership Rewards” and other “Air-Miles”- like programs to the high-income “free-riders” who account for 98% of all purchase-volume-throughput.

    And of that, at least \$10 million per day is kicked-back directly to card-carrying judges and lawyers in the U.S. alone.

    Just as the pretended reporters are throughly entrenched at their industry’s gravy-train-trough – so too are the judges and lawyers so engrained in their normalized-graft that they lose sight of the fact that they are making Al Capone look like a rank-amateur.

    And how is all of this marketed to the broadly-define public?

    Answer: As a free-loan or interest-free-credit as long as you pay the “full balance” including the Concealed-credit-charge-concealment-fee and the Sales-tax-fraud-concealment-fee within the “grace-period”.

    Overall conclusion: None of it matters, because the majority of humans have been rendered too stupid to live.

  120. Agent76 says:

    “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

    Sept 1, 2021 The War on Terror Has Always Been a War on You

    From day one, they’ve attacked your liberty in big ways – and they’re not even close to being done yet.

    September 11, 2013 9/11 Debunked in Under 5 Minutes

    April 16, 2014 9/11 Attacks: Criminal Foreknowledge and Insider Trading lead directly to the CIA’s Highest Ranks

    CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard managed Firm that handled “Put” Options on UAL.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/9-11-attacks-criminal-foreknowledge-and-insider-trading-lead-directly-to-the-cia-s-highest-ranks/32323

    • Replies: @annamaria
  121. Dutch Boy says:
    @Badger Down

    True. There has been an attempt to link the Saudis to 9-11. Family members of the victims have pressured the feds for years to declassify documents about Saudi involvement and it looks like Biden might declassify some of them. Even if true, Saudi Arabia is a de facto ally of Israel and the measures taken after 9-11 struck at those who were enemies of Israel and Saudi Arabia (e.g., Saddam Hussein and Assad). Involvement by SA by no means excludes involvement by Israel.

  122. Hibernian says:
    @W

    I’d go for a small conspiracy; Oswald didn’t do it alone. That doesn’t mean all or almost all of Kennedy’s enemies got together to do it.

  123. Behind 9/11 coverup is one of the largest blackmail and extortion racketeering acts ever played on the world. GlobalHomo propaganda networks rack in billions from corporations ads to spread fake news, the police state gets extra powers and military gear to abuse citizens using fear, intimidation and swat raids (Roger Stone, 1/6/2021 patriots) while BLM/Antifa get hundreds of millions in funding. And the permanent cesspool and government leeches receive trillions to expand beyond imagination, with useless agencies, using pay to pay for distributions to friend and foes while neglecting infrastructure, housing, borders, jobs, factories, law and order.
    Our overlords have became one big orgy fest where GlobalHomo, selling baby parts, BLM/Antifa thuggery, destruction, opioids and human sex trafficking through open borders are normalized, and where white patriots are rounded up with impunity for exercising their rights for grievances while being held without trail or legal proceedings.
    If those are not calls for civil war, spread your cheeks and take it like a pathetic loser.

  124. Trinity says:
    @W

    I think I remember seeing a video with Ken O’Keefe saying that ISIS stood for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service or something like that. Word play and numbers games seems to be a fetish with these people so there might be truth to that one. Haven’t watched that guy’s videos for awhile now, I do remember him really ripping Zionists to shreds in debates.

    I recently saw a guest on Tucker’s show that had family who died during 9-11. Apparently this guy belongs to a group who told Biden not to attend the memorial events this year until the government discloses what really happened on 9-11. Of course this guy is angered because of the coverup of the Saudi involvement and didn’t even mention our bestest best ally in the whole wide world or Jews like Larry Silverstein.

  125. Agent76 says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    This shows the who, how, and when.

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers. It is no wonder, then, that the Fire Department of New York so passionately detest Giuliani for his actions in disgracing their fallen brothers and covering up the 9/11 crime.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-rudy-giuliani/

  126. @Trinity

    Pretty fair to say that “our” news has been distorted for at least a century …

    Absolutely. It’s sad to me that so many active on the Internet today see the 1920’s-1940’s as the dark ages that are no longer relevant — or real to them. The horrible lies told by the Allies about the Axis members in order to prosecute WWII then were even worse than anything being peddled today. The “Holocaust” is the most unsubstantiated, obvious major LIE in history (I would argue) – and yet many of today’s 9/11 sceptics and debunkers even believe in it, at least partially!!

    What does that tell you? It tells me that many still have their own axes to grind, whether religion, political philosophy, nation loyalty — and truth is secondary to that.

    Truth, though it’s a word that so many throw around, with some of the worst liars using it in their screen names (!), is perhaps too fragile and beautiful a reality to exist in this fallen world.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  127. tanabear says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Journalists with happenin’ careers aren’t going to bother with 9/11 Truthers because

    Because journalists care more about their careers than the Truth.

    Add to this the fact that 9/11 Truthers parade a bunch of incoherent nonsense

    Like the fact that explosive charges can blown stuff up.

    The idea that they are being repressed because they are speaking “the truth” is a massive, self-delusional cope.

    Can anyone who actually believes the official story tell me what the government’s explanation is for the “collapse” of World Trade Towers 1,2 and 7?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  128. @W

    There were no planes used on the attack on the WTC or the pentagram, this is a diversion to give credibility to the lie, check John Lear on youtube in regards to zero planes being used on 911, the attack used DEW’s and internal wired explosives both.

    • Replies: @W
  129. @Frederick V. Reed

    “Serious journalists dismiss Truthers because they are sill cranks”

    Really?
    From what I’ve seen, serious journalists (who don’t exist, well, that is those who are investigative ones) do not debate truthers because they end up getting way in over their heads on the subject matter, with people who clearly know what they’re talking about.
    To sum up the serious journalists – “I’m right. You’re wrong”

    What we see, today, in the msm is one way traffic. There’s no left-right debates and the closest we get is the communist left debating classic British liberalism – see anyone debating Jordan Peterson. So essentially it’s all one way, emotional nonsense being surgically dissected, about women, BLM, white privilege, gender pronouns and nothing else worth watching.

    You won’t see debates on 9/11 between truthers and msm whores/politicians/shills for tptb, just as you won’t see any debates on the holocaust, Hitler and all other important events of our time, that evidence clearly proves are contradictory to the official narrative. Why? Because not only will the msm whores/politicians/shills for tptb be ripped to pieces, it will actually get the public thinking for once in their lives. It will make a lot of people very angry and tptb do not want that happening, while in the middle of their western people genocide masquerading as covid vaccination. They may very well start asking important questions on the vaccinations before they manage their coup de grâce – the vaccination of 12 & overs soon to be followed by under 12’s, succeeding in sterilizing the world’s population and fulfilling the script of ‘Children of Men‘.

  130. @Trinity

    Patriots should without permission or care, turn every January 6th into ‘Patriots Day’. It should be the most celebrated holiday Americans share next to July 4th.

  131. Trinity says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    I think some of it is foolish pride. People HATE to admit that they have been played for fools, they would rather hold on to PROVEN LIES than admit they were played for suckers.

    “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain

    Just the ONE SIDED and RIDICULOUSLY COMIC BOOK LIKE narrative on WWII alone should tell people something.

    Btw, I had a couple of uncles who served in Europe in WWII and one of them told me as a kid about a German soldier telling him that one day America and Americans would realize they fought on the wrong side of the war. This was in the early 1970s and I had to be about 10-11 years old. What prompted my uncle to tell me this? I am not German, neither was my uncle, just part hillbilly and Irish, more Okie than Irish. haha. I will never know, he must have seen even back then how much America had already fallen.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  132. Mulegino1 says:

    I wonder if the latest “declassification” of 9/11 documents will serve to implicate the Saudis as a way of diverting attention from the obvious Israeli/American Zionist involvement.

    The Saudis may have provided and financed the so called hijackers, but the overwhelming likelihood is that these were no more than what are called “legends”, i.e., agents provocateurs posing as hybrid devout Muslim-party animal amateur suicide pilots who did everything they could to create a negative impression and stir up suspicion regarding their bizarre lifestyles and activities.

    Hasn’t Saudi Arabia recently shown interest in purchasing Russian weapons systems? That is a huge no-no for the MIC.

  133. Agent76 says:
    @onebornfree

    This is another great insightful report as well onebornfree.

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers. It is no wonder, then, that the Fire Department of New York so passionately detest Giuliani for his actions in disgracing their fallen brothers and covering up the 9/11 crime.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-rudy-giuliani/

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  134. @Notsofast

    I have never visited America so I didn’t know how they are propagandized, but I was made aware of the 911 scam by a young nephew. This happened some 15 years ago.
    I will be 64 years in a month and until then I had no inkling this was a false flag. Since then, I have spent a considerable amount of time and discovered the USS Liberty attack, Jeffery Epstein, suppression of Ivermectin for covid 19 and much more.
    Americans and the world needs to boycott MSM and so do we.

  135. Why do they hate 9/11 truthers?????? Because they can’t explain, and don’t care, why a certain large building collapsed without anything touching it. As Al Gore would say, ” it is an inconvenient truth”.

  136. Robjil says:
    @skrik

    RT has to work in the west.

    It has to lip big lies of the west or it is cancelled in the west.

    Before the 2014 US coup of Ukraine, RT was bit less afraid to talk of the big lies of the west.

    • Thanks: skrik
  137. Ahoy says:

    @ gottlieb #19

    “The official story is a lie”. True

    “So what is the truth?”. This area is fenced off and the sign on the fence says NO TRESPASSING

    BEVERLY ECKERT lost her husband in the tragedy of Twin Towers. She could not believe the bs of the authorities. She devoted her life looking for the truth. President Obama calls her in the Oval Office to give her a medal for her effors. She gets the medal and gets in the plne to go back home to Buffalo, N.Y. The plane EXPLODES in mid air.

    This is America the land of the FREE (slaves).

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  138. SafeNow says:

    Apart from the deliberate lie, it is worth mentioning that journalists are lazy. For example, in a Covid-related article, they will use an adjective like “often,” leaving me to conduct my own research to determine the magnitude. (To the great credit of Unz essayists and commenters, we do not fear charts, graphs, and quantification.) Another example is finding the wrong expert, because finding a correct expert would have taken more effort. (yes, just like the guy who is searching for his lost car keys under the streetlight, even though he did not lose them there, because that’s the easiest place to look.)

  139. JLK says:

    Journalists have the Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads if they deviate from what their editors want them to say and write, and its even worse if what they want to write is something critical to the fortunes of the Deep State.

    That’s why news shows are filled with “read between the lines” materials, like background props when they interview people, sometimes parseable names and so forth. Some of them care.

  140. matty032 says:
    @bogative

    Yeah, haven’t heard of this one yet. Would also like to see a link.

  141. @Trinity

    That sums it up pretty well. Put another way, the west’s ‘Professional Journalists’ like truth about as much as vampires like garlic, sunshine and wooden stakes.

  142. @BluEidDvl

    Thanks for your sophisticated analysis.

    If you are interested in getting to the bottom of this sad chapter of American history, I strongly recommend that you read David Icke’s book “ The Trigger”. It offers hundreds of pages of real facts based on strenuous research. Unfortunately, most people have little time, interest or patience to go through such a mammoth investigative work and would rather spend their free time watching trivia.

    • Thanks: BluEidDvl
  143. @Trinity

    What prompted my uncle to tell me this? I am not German, neither was my uncle,

    I would venture that those words and the convincing manner of the German soldier, his committed belief in the rightness of the German cause, made such a strong impression on your uncle that he was left with a desire, even compulsion, to tell it to others. Thanks for the story.

  144. Geowhizz says:
    @Z-man

    Voltaire nailed it. Human nature evidently. And Mossad involvement in 9/11 is highly probable imho. It’s the guys wearing black hats.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  145. Anonymike says:
    @AKAHorace

    You don’t understand how sports matches are fixed. The leagues want certain story lines to prevail and do what they can to make them prevail. If you were old enough you would remember the “patented ninth inning rally” that won the New York Yankee so many ballgames every year during the Mickey Mantle era of the 1950s and early- to mid- sixties.

    How much of this was due to superior talent and psychological intimidation, and how much was due to a shrinking strike zone which forced opposing pitchers to serve it up? Well, the only truly superior players the Yankees had during that era were Mantle, Yogi Berra and, for a few years, Roger Maris. The rest were good players who would have been starting position players on most teams, but they weren’t better than most players around the league by much of margin, if at all.

    Then there was admission by Red Auerbach, Boston Celtics coach during the Bill Russell era that the NBA officials consistently favored the Celtics in their calls. The league liked the shtick of Boston as the perennial champions and Wilt Chamberlain as their seventh-wonder-0f-the-world individual attraction and did what it could to keep it that way.

    If games are fixed or the results at least are steered in a particular direction, it is done on the level off officials, coaches and few players – maybe star players, not the marginal players you think would be vulnerable. Seriously, if you are getting paid \$25 million a year or even, say, \$5 million in career earnings, don’t you think you are going have do something in return for that money every now and then.

    I doubt the fix, if it is in, is ever overt. I think it comes in the form of oblique instructions and euphemistic guidelines.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  146. Easyrhino says:

    The initial impact hole in the outer ring of the Pentagon (alleged from American Airlines flight 77) was about 16-18 feet wide.

    If anyone can explain how two 12,000 lb jet engines, 45 feet apart on either side of the jet, can squeeze into an 18 foot hole without leaving a mark on the wall on either side of the hole I ‘d love to hear it?

  147. niceland says:

    Biden has announced de-classification of all 9-11 material.

    I suspect the truth is much simpler and far less exciting than many think. I think the hot potato here; for the Bush administration, the CIA, the army and the rest of them – was their own incompetence and negligence in preventing the attacks. A small team of rag tag extremists with box cutters and duct tape inflicted such devastating blow to the all mighty USA. Terrible optics, better try to deflect the public wrath in different directions to save their collective ass.

    Were they incompetent? Consider the warfare in Afghanistan and how it ended. Almost everyone outside of the big MSM analyzing that conflict seem to agree on few keywords: Incompetence, Corruption, Negligence and Stupidity. Here corruption should perhaps be in bold. I presume these problems already existed in September 2001 and before.

    It could be worse and more exciting, for example if these rag tag extremists were indeed known by american intelligence and were or had been part of some covert operations in the past or were intended to serve other purposes and something backfired. That would be rather embarrassing.

    It’s likely more comfortable for the establishment to suffer the 911 truth movement and groups on the fringes talking about nukes or none-existent airplanes than have them demanding detailed investigation as to why they couldn’t prevent the attacks. I suppose many investigators have been digging into this, but every time I see discussion about 911 – it’s all about how the towers came down, bombs or not, nukes and other ‘technical’ aspects. That’s been great for the establishment, in the meantime they have poured several trillions into wars in Afghanistan and elsewhere based on reasons and motives that make little or no sense without any meaningful resistance at home.

    Who says conspiracy theories can’t be useful? I wonder how many of these floating around 911 were created by the establishment to deflect attention to other, perhaps on the surface, less exciting but more damning issues with potential to throw a wrench into their comfortable situation.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  148. annamaria says:
    @W

    “ISIS fighters regret attacking Israel and have ‘apologized’.” Sure. How can one bite a hand that feeds him?

    Fighters loyal to the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) have apologized for launching an attack on Israeli forces last year in the disputed Golan Heights region, according to Israel’s former defense minister Moshe Yaalon.

    version No 1:

    “Your brother created ISIS,” college student Ivy Ziedrich told a startled Jeb Bush after a town hall meeting in Reno, Nevada, in May 2015. The then-Republican presidential hopeful tried to defend his elder sibling, former President George W. Bush, by blaming the rise of the Islamic State on Barack Obama, “because Americans pulled back” from Iraq in 2011.

    version No 2:

    US instructors train ISIS members to fight the Syrian army: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/22/us-training-isis-only-miles-from-bondsteel-base-inside-europe/ https://southfront.org/us-instructors-use-al-hasakah-camp-to-train-former-isis-members-for-fighting-syrian-army-russian-defense-ministry/

    American companies were awarded contracts for \$1 billion over the last three years under a program for “non-US standard weapons supplies. The US fuels Syrian war with new arms supplies to Al Qaeda terrorists:

    explosive documents from the Serbian state-owned arms companies, including e-mails, internal memos, contracts, photos, delivery schedules, and packing lists with lot numbers of weapons and their buyers. … These documents expose the biggest lie in the US foreign policy – officially fighting terrorism while secretly supporting it.

    http://dilyana.bg/category/special-report/page/2/ Guess, this is just another side of a well-worn coin “support the troops!”

  149. profnasty says:

    Lack of information in Media proves Media is an accomplice.

  150. It may be shocking who the perpetrators of WTC attacks really are …
    The media is a big problem in this country..

    Objective unbiased journalism is rare.. Today’s journalists are little more than ambulance chasers that seek sensational and ratings guaranteed stories and their top favorite is anything that can advance an anti-white agenda by looking under rocks with magnifying glasses for specs of racism.

    These ghoulish liberals, often times little girl feminist reporters out of some college journalism department know nothing about anything so they turn to the only thing they can do which is read off a script that somebody prepared. Probably the lead liberal , the old 300 lb lady with purple hair and 4 cats. They exist because judgementalism is illegal, critical thinking and logic are a lost art with most Americans so they are not called out to account for anything.
    The news corporations should be held liable for the Floyd riots , agitating blacks and liberals and the resulting rioting damage and destruction that their racism driving ambulance chasing news casters and reporters generated.

  151. annamaria says:
    @Agent76

    Thank you.
    “Suppressed details of 9/11 criminal insider trading lead directly into the CIA`s highest ranks:” http://www.globalresearch.ca/9-11-attacks-criminal-foreknowledge-and-insider-trading-lead-directly-to-the-cia-s-highest-ranks/32323

    Understanding the interrelationships between the CIA and the banking and brokerage world is critical to grasping the already frightening implications of the above revelations.

  152. “Why do journalists favor the government version so fiercely? The sheer vitriol of their attacks on Truthers reflects deep personal anger; clearly no Deep State maven stands over them dictating their articles.”

    Um …

  153. @Ahoy

    Wrong. She met with Obama a week before the crash that killed her.

  154. Z-man says:
    @Geowhizz

    I was talking to a Port Authority cop several weeks after 911 and he said Mossad did it. At the time even I poo pooed it and I was very anti Israel. But of course time has shown that you can’t rule anything out from the Zionists.

  155. Anon[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Mr. Reed, you write columns for Ron Unz, whose friend you also claim to be. Are you really sure you want to go on record rather gratuitously calling your friend and boss a “silly crank”?

    My two most important conclusions are that the Israeli Mossad was probably behind both the JFK Assassination and the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

    –Ron Unz ( https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mossad-assassinations/?showcomments#comment-3683057 )

  156. Sparkon says:
    @Agent76

    Yes, and the destruction of evidence at the WTC began before dawn already on Sept. 12, 2001, but Mayor Giuliani’s active role in the crimes of 9/11 may go well beyond that:

    This video with FDNY fireman Rudy Dent’s provocative remarks was first brought to my attention by commenter ChuckOrloski:

    “By that time, both the buildings were down, and we were standing in the staging area, and I saw Building 7 come down.

    Prior to its coming down, the Mayor Giuliani and the Police comm….Fire Commissioner were missing. They were in the building somewhere. Nobody knew where they were, but they were missing for quite some time. They finally emerged outa the building, and a… then shortly after that, the building came down.”

    –Rudy Dent

    https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/9-11-and-jeffrey-epstein-media-malfeasance-on-steroids/?showcomments#comment-3437565

    But wait, there’s more!

    Please see my previous comment about the > gold <

    …where you will learn about the gold vaults beneath the WTC, Giuliani's gold recovery operation, and his knighthood by Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/from-9-11-to-the-great-reset/?showcomments#comment-4163304

    • Replies: @Agent76
  157. profnasty says:
    @PigletOmlet

    Not sure of 3000. I doubt the fire exits were completely destroyed.
    But. The folks who gave 911, also gave you Iraq War. Now it’s Covid 19(years after 911).
    They’ve now put a ring through the nose of every single White person. “Inject our Magic Potion or be a slave.”
    Nice.

  158. annamaria says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Is she (he) one of your respected “serious journalists?”
    “Rachel Maddow: Corporate shill for the oligarchs:” https://www.sott.net/article/343781-Rachel-Maddow-Corporate-shill-for-the-oligarchs Rachel Maddow is a”shill for 9/11…Among the absurd arguments she presents is that 9/11 Truthers find conspiracy theories “psychologically reassuring”, as though the belief that your very own government is conspiring to murder thousands of your fellow citizens brings with it a “sense of relief…” https://jamesfetzer.org/2013/09/rachel-maddow-msnbc-9-11-shill/

    Rachel Maddow is a darling of the MIC, hence the exorbitant enumeration for her presstituting efforts: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/03/02/msnbc-now-most-dangerous-warmonger-network

    The most profound dangers from what Rachel Maddow and company are doing is what they least want to talk about—how the cumulative effects and momentum of their work are increasing the likelihood that tensions between Washington and Moscow will escalate into a horrendous military conflict

    For obvious reasons, Rachel is adored by the Lobby: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/8372163-rachel-maddow-is-a-shill-for-murder-as-long-as-democrats-are-the-killers

    MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow had a sickeningly sycophantic interview with war criminal Madeline Albright … Did Maddow ask about Albright’s help in the starvation of a million Iraqis because of Saddam Hussein’s “WMDs?” Nope. Her statement that the killing of 400,000 Iraqi children through murderous Bush I-Clinton I sanctions was “worth it”? Nope. Meanwhile, Albright hopes to help kill Iranian children and adults because of Iranian “WMDs,” and Maddow is helping her.

    Finally, we were informed that the “serious journalist” Rachel Maddow is actually an entertainer: “Maddow’s “I’m not a real journalist” defense prevails in court:” https://www.cernovich.com/rachel-maddow-oann-lawsuit/

    The lawsuit against Maddow was brought by OANN, a news network that Maddow falsely accused on her show as being controlled by the Kremlin. In court, Maddow’s lawyer argued that her show was one of “quintessential statements of rhetorical hyperbole, incapable of being proved true or false.” … The defamation claim was dismissed because Maddow’s show is one of “opinion and rhetorical hyperbole,” and Maddow engages in an “exaggeration of the facts.”

    She is the CIA-guided shill or, in other words, a ‘serious journalist’ – a presstitute, same as the presstituting Jeremy Stahl but better paid.

  159. Wally says:
    @Mulegino1

    Bingo!

    You’re also describing the fake & impossible “holocaust”.

    As well, the list of staged events is growing almost by the day.

    Regards.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  160. Agent76 says:
    @dms578

    I just happen to have a witness right there that day.

    May 25, 2014 FDNY 9/11 Survivor Witness and Whistleblower Speaks on WTC 7

    Listen very carefully starting at the ’20’ second mark! As a firefighter on 9/11, he was at Ground Zero and was there when Building 7 came down.

  161. If you are taking a lot of flak it means you are over the target………………..

    I have questions……………do my questions mean I deny or reject any official narrative?

    No………….it just means I have questions that don’t seem to add up with what I’ve been told what happened.

    But why when those questions are asked would I be lambasted by the MSM in a slew of ad hominines, name calling and labels rather than discussing any evidence that could address my questions?

    Telling me I’m a denier…..doesn’t answer any questions.

    If they’re questions with no basis in sound reasoning and/or objective evidence then give me the reason why with the evidence you can present to the contrary.

  162. Agent76 says:
    @Sparkon

    He was in in it and profited from the sell of all of the steel as you can veiw in a Colbertt link in another post I have made in this thread. Thanks for being a person of reason.

  163. Why Do Journalists Hate 9-11 Truthers?

    Wrong question. Journalists’ opinions, even if they have any, are immaterial. What matters are the opinions of the owners of news outlets. All MSM and “social media” belong to the same cabal that overused 9-11, possibly even organized it to push through unconstitutional “Patriot Act” and similar pieces of legislation to establish police state. Quite naturally, they hate those who expose their lies. Wouldn’t you?

    • Agree: W
  164. The purpose of the Main Stream media is to basically pretend about everything, so that, the status quo remains the same. So, the FACTS must stay the same..All knowledge is certain and Godlike. Have the idiotic narratives on the Oklahoma City bombing, Randy Weaver saga, Branch Davidians, 9/11, Operation Desert storm, the reasons for being in Afghanistan, etc.etc. etc. , EVER CHANGED with the establishment media? NO, they have not. In a normal world, that is illogical, absurd, even impossible.

  165. Jerrie says:
    @utu

    Local NYC media reported in the afternoon, around 4 pm that building 7 was being demolished because it was made unstable due to the collapse of the twin towers.

  166. DaveE says:
    @skrik

    Filthy liars, why does RT do it?

    Same as always. Shlomo has taken over the key editorial / management positions and turned RT into an ostensibly “Russian” Crooked Nose Network. (aka CNN)

    RT used to be OK, but it’s been Shlomo’d for many years, now.

    • Thanks: skrik
  167. Miro23 says:
    @Bill Jones

    How is it disrespectful??? If anything it’s an honor. What other name would you have decided on?

    Just as Nov 5th in England is Guy Fawkes day, Sept 11th should be Traitors Day.

    Guy Fawkes Night (“Bonfire Night”) November 5th is a commemoration of the day (in 1605) that Guy Fawkes planned to blow up the House of Lords. The explosives were already in place when he was caught.

    Following that line – September 11th should be a future Silverstein Day. The explosives were in place, they were detonated and the plotters are still free. It can be made a national day when the plotters are found guilty of treason and premeditated mass murder and executed.

    • Agree: Half Back
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  168. R.C. says:

    The debate rages to this day

    Hardly. It’s never been allowed! Remember when Europe was going to hold a public debate on it with one guy to defend the ‘official narrative’ but he chickened out, and it couldn’t be reheld because no one could be found to pitch the ‘official story’?
    R.C.

  169. “An editor’s job is to sort the wheat from the chaff. And print the chaff”

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
  170. Jerrie says:

    Oswald the married to a Russian, leftist , who hated the fanatic anti commie cold warrior JFK, got “lucky” because back then the route of a presidential itinerary was published in the local paper and as it happened the route included a birds eye view of Kennedy from where Oswald then worked. The loose end is the killing of Oswald by Ruby. But who knows maybe Ruby was telling the truth about doing it cause he felt terrible for Jackie and her kids. The nation was in the grips of hysteria over that assassination; the Catholics and much of America, practically deified JFK . The only one who did not succumb to the mass hysteria was Jacqueline Susanne, the author whose book Valley of the Dolls, was supposed to come out that week. She supposedly said; oh , Sh- there goes publicity for my book.

    It took guts and determination to do that attack.But learning to fly and allowing box cutters on the planes made the whole stunt possible.

    • LOL: Notsofast
    • Replies: @Half Back
  171. wllmgrnl says:
    @tanabear

    Thanks for the link tanabear.

  172. Easy question to answer:
    Journos are jews, Affirmative Action Blax, third worlders, White Cucks, mo-derne wahmin.
    Media is owned/managed by jews or controlled opposition.
    Mossad, with Shabbos Goyim helpers and the jew arab Saudis perpetrated 9/11.
    9/11 Truthers are none of the above.

    Get it ?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  173. lee says:
    @W

    W said:

    Fire cannot make a building explode.

    “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel.

    Above quote is from noted metallurgist and structural engineer Rosie O’Donnell.

    I think that W and Ms O’Donnell have this thing figured out. LOL

    • Troll: R.C.
    • Replies: @W
  174. polistra says:

    There was an interesting switch. In the first two years after 9/11, most academics and establishment types WERE truthers. They were talking about and developing all the hypotheses and theories now familiar. At some later point, maybe around 2005, the tables turned.

  175. Jews at Rolling Stone mag and Big Media learned nothing from the Sabrina Erderly Rubin scandal.

    Power means the privilege to push any lie and go unpunished.

  176. The entire narratuve, along with orgs such as Engineers Fir 911 Truth, has been scripted and compromised by sell outs like Richard Gage. If you want the truth trust your eyes. Physical Laws: the temperature diesel fuel aka jet fuel burns at, and the temperature aluminum and steel melt at, haven’t changed. But they did on 911? The truth as to how the buildings, all 7 of them, were destroyed so completely, is described in the Heinz Pommer Report. The link is below:
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/08/04/breathtaking-solving-nuclear-9-11-the-pommer-report/

  177. @Frederick V. Reed

    Serious journalists dismiss Truthers because they are silly cranks

    You mean that the “serious journalists” (who dismiss Truthers) are “silly cranks”, don’t you?

    Both parts of that sentence have the same subject, haven’t they?

  178. Covid Coercion is really about Jewish Control over Goyim. It’s less about bio-medicine or bio-weapon than psychological warfare of creating hysteria and controlling us through intimidation and submission. And reaping massive profits from it.

    Follow the identity(and the money), and the biggest pushers of Covid are the same people who wage war on Free Speech and Gun Rights. All those dissident right and HBD types who jumped on the Covid Bandwagon are fools or morons. They are essentially David French who talk some race realism. Weak schmucks. When push comes to shove, their greatest wish is to win the approval of Jews whom they regard as superior.

  179. Thierry Meyssan

    Informed by his staff that a Russian satellite had just observed a missile being fired from a Navy ship off the coast of Washington at the Pentagon, the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, tried to contact his US counterpart. He was unable to do so.

    Confirmation that no commercial airliners hit the Pentagon.

  180. DaveE says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Yer as naked as a jaybird, Shlomo.

  181. aandrews says:

    Is the general who ordered the massacre of retreating Iraqis named in Seymour Hersh’s memoir Reporter?

    • Replies: @Phil4Phil
  182. @tanabear

    Believes?

    You mean was alive, awake and saw what happened.

    Jackass.

  183. W says:
    @Desert Fox

    I’ve haven’t see evidence for this claim.

    ————-

    Hey Unz, like to bitchute are dead, at least in this thread. Is someone rubbing their hands together?

    #113 and #117.

  184. Just another chapter in the so-called ‘culture war’.

    How could conzos win the Culture War when they failed to name the group most hostile to white conservatives: The Jewish Supremacists..

    In any war, the way to win is to identify the enemy and target it for destruction. Jewish Supremacists are the main enemy of the white race, but white conzos have been bending over backward to appease them.

    It’d be like the Soviet Union fighting WWII by trying to appease Hitler at every turn. What would have been the result of the Soviet Union trying to defend itself from the German Wehrmacht while trying to be in good graces with Der Fuhrer?

    The problem with conzos is they opposed many of the weapons lobbed at them by Jews but never named the Jews as the main lobbers of those weapons. It’d be like defending oneself from someone’s fists while refusing to admit He is trying to smash your face in.

    This is the great conzo schizophrenia. It failed to connect the dots between Jews and the Jewish Agenda. Even while opposing the agenda, it revered the very people pushing it. Against the ideology of Jews but for the idolatry of Jews.
    Eventually, the idolatry won out so that conzos even came to adopt the ideology — ‘gay rights’ and Afromania and ‘Muh Diversity’ and CRT — because nothing is worse than the failing to appease the holy mighty Jews.

    • Agree: DaveE
  185. W says:
    @lee

    Cute, but explain how a fire demolished a building in mid air and sent pieces of steel all over Manhattan.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/collapses.html

    Are you going to simply deny that the towers were destroyed in mid air? That would be better then snark.

  186. Z-man says:
    @aandrews

    War criminal and NEOCON stooge.

  187. Voltara says:
    @doppelgänger

    I looked over Ryan Dawson’s take on 9/11 and was not impressed. Other than hurling abuse at people he disagrees with I didn’t see that he offered anything much of interest.

    The late, much lamented Dave McGowan’s analysis is infinitely superior:

    https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/september11/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  188. Half Back says:
    @Jerrie

    I really like the way you put up Jacob Rubinstein ( aka Jack Ruby) as being able to amend his life by murdering the ‘possible pertractor of killing the President Kennedy after all his life be a part of graft, thievery, murder, gun running and finally running a Strip joint with corrupt police AND then say maybe he was telling the truth- he wanted to avenge for Jacki, so much so he turned up several times awaiting his shot of ignominy . You sir are being dishonest- part of many scatter gun approaches to truth, whereby we would never be able to aserne’ ( the truth) because you keep moving the goalposts. Yes you say JACK Ruby(stein) was long lost patriot just waiting to get out his criminal behaviour like stealing plane parts to send to Israel, don’t forget Jack got rosy eyed when he visited the ‘promised land’. A newly created country ( Israel) and all American Jack goes to Israel- to get to his ‘roots’. As Ron Unz himself laid before us the role of Jack, you just seem to slide in with a a grain of sand of speculation. I have long maintained that Jack Ruby is the corner stone or the key stone of who killed JFK. It was a conspiracy of the usual suspects, exactly the same just 38 years in between, ( they have never been silent or sleeping) just that 9/11 was so ostentatious.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  189. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    good to see Tokyo Rose has weighed in

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  190. Alden says:
    @dms578

    Thank you. Unfortunately the retarded MEN OF UNZ who’ve never been within a thousand miles of NYC know so much much more from pouring over internet pictures and videos than people who actually were in NYC and New Jersey 9/11/2001.

    Nor do they believe anyone who was actually in the Twin Towers, the Post Office or other nearby buildings. They don’t believe the Towers could be seen from 50 miles away. Being so tall they’d dominate views of the city was the whole point of building 2 110 story buildings. And they certainly don’t believe any FDNY NYPD real actual living humans who were there that day.

    They don’t believe the planes existed nor the passengers and crew. They don’t believe Betty Ong, the flight attendant who alerted the operations center about the hijacking existed. Some believe Betty’s family never existed. Others believe her fiancée, two parents and 3 siblings are all crisis actors still acting their part.

    There are mixed opinions as to whether the conspirators selected a pharmacy student to play the part of Betty’s brother. Or if the planning was so far in advance the conspirators found a 17 year old crisis actor; and sent him to pharmacy college to prepare for the role of brother.

    UNZ commenters are fun till they become so ridiculous.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @AB_Anonymous
  191. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Aren’t you the same wise man who thinks biological evolution is nonsense?

    I think you and Fred Reed are the same non-thinking person.

  192. Trinity says:

    Usually I bypass these annual 9-11 memorials, programming, etc., out of respect for all those whose lives were lost and/or destroyed that day 20 years ago. It is as if these are celebrations instead of memorials. Sad. This being the 20 year anniversary for some reason has peaked my interest. Weird, kind of like your high school reunion ( never been to one, why would I want to see people I really didn’t like much back then) for some reason the 20 year reunion had me actually thinking about attending.

    Honestly this doesn’t seem like 20 years ago, but I remember people capitalizing on this tragedy overnight. Within a few days of this tragedy, highways were lined with people selling cheaply made t shirts for quick cash, “artist” like Toby Keith were “\$anging” about getting ole Bin Laden and \$howing what Murica and being a Murican was all about. For once good ole (((Hollywood))) and rednecks were all on the same page. Kind of like how Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Don Lemon can’t agree on anything but they all speak with the same tongue when it comes to muh Israel/muh Jewish power and influence. Oops, sorry, they don’t talk about Jewish power and influence at all.

    I think I will be watching good ole Honest Joe talk his shit. Sometimes me thinks Honest Joe’s senility act might be put on a tad to be honest. That shyster might not be as out of it as he puts on. Those victims and their families have been DEMANDING the truth for 20 years and have yet to receive it. Will we see anything any different this year, other than the same old predictable script? No doubt, every “expert” will be on hand that day to tell us the “truth” about 9-11.

  193. @Ronnie

    You are right. Bobby Fischer was right.

    Now I like a lot of Jews, and I have a high opinion of Jewish culture. The food is great, even if it takes two sets of cookware to prepare. The humor is at once sophisticated and dirty https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=old+jews+jokes and quite hilarious. The emphasis on education is the richest quality a culture can have. It produces 25% of Nobel laureates from a much tinier population. One Jew told me that education is emphasized “because it’s the only thing they can’t take from you…well, of course, they can destroy your mind, but….” and Jews can be good friends.

    But every city has a thin layer of ruthless, vicious Jews working just barely within a highly argued law to screw people for money, and the Zionist elite among these miserable criminal Jews have brought the world some of its worst problems, including 9/11 and Covid. They’ve caused their fellow Jews a lot of resentment and persecution too. Right now, for reasons not fathomed by me, they’re working hard to eliminate White people. They had a close call in the previous century, and they ought to watch their step. They’re not as smart as they think.

  194. Alden says:
    @W

    The random lunatic and everyone else who lived in the area knew the president’s motorcade would drive past the text book warehouse where the random lunatic worked on what day and what time.

    It was in all the newspapers and TV and radio news for days before. Everyone who worked with the random lunatic in the warehouse knew.

    “how did the random lunatic knew the president would drive past the warehouse?” Is a very naive question. A sophisticated conspiracy theorist would ask; “ how did the presidents trip managers and arrangers know in which building on which Dallas streets the random lunatic worked?”

  195. @Zarathustra

    You watched it in real time where? On television or from the street? Because if you watched it in real time on television then, after the jump, you also saw the undamaged nose of the plane come right through the opposite side of the building. But they didn’t play this over and over and over and over as they did the plane’s initial crash and penetration of the building, remarkable though the undamaged protruding nose may have been.

    No, you got to see the undamaged protruding nose only once. You used to be able to see it again, in slow motion even, on youtube before so many videos were removed. But you can see it again right here on unz.com https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-was-a-straussian-coup/ Just scroll down to the first video. I wish I knew how to download and preserve this cartoon.

    Only TV viewers saw this event, the penetration of the undamaged nose of the plane through the opposite side of the building. No one in the street saw this remarkable penetration of the opposite wall. It just goes to show you how unreliable eyewitnesses can be.

  196. @BluEidDvl

    9/11 is like a huge fractal: wherever you focus, the pattern splits and subdivides into further Jewish and “israeli” plots. As you said, How did a bunch of foreign-looking men with one-way tickets all manage to board flights?

    Airport Security was handled by ICTS, a company registered in the Netherlands. Just my suspicious mind, but is that Dutch, or (((Dutch)))? Sure enough it’s a Jewish or “israeli” company waving the “Arabs” onto the planes.

    There’s more. An “israeli” penny stock scam, Mr Greenberg controlling the reinsurer of Silverstein’s twin tower, Zakheim and his remote controller, usw, usw.

    https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/07/19/18436373.php

    • Agree: BluEidDvl
  197. @Steve Jones

    It’s logical:
    If your caring is zero, you couldn’t care less.

  198. RestiveUs says:
    @woody weaver

    Since journalists no longer report the truth but promote narratives…

    Spot on!

  199. Building 7 is the smokiest gun in history.

  200. @doppelgänger

    I generally like Ryan Dawson but iirc he believes that jet fuel burning was the cause of the buildings collapsing. I also don’t like how belligerent he is towards those who disagree with him. It’s just not necessary.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  201. AKAHorace says:
    @Anonymike

    You don’t understand how sports matches are fixed. The leagues want certain story lines to prevail and do what they can to make them prevail. If you were old enough you would remember the “patented ninth inning rally” that won the New York Yankee so many ballgames every year during the Mickey Mantle era of the 1950s and early- to mid- sixties.

    I doubt the fix, if it is in, is ever overt. I think it comes in the form of oblique instructions and euphemistic guidelines.

    You might be right about the sort of fixing that you describe, I don’t know. If someone in the gambling underworld pays players to loose a game though, the players do it early on. They don’t want to mess things up by leaving the business of throwing the game until the last moments.

  202. denk says:

    911 was an inside job.
    FUS murdered 3000 of its own citizens in order to launch the fraudulent wot.

    The rest are just details.

    Meanwhile…
    Australia’s ambassador to the United States, Arthur Sinodinos

    China is a larger threat than 911 terrorism,

    Be afraid, very afraid.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  203. @Trinity

    ..and anyone who believes the Bin Laden narrative is an idiot.

    • Agree: Trinity
  204. RestiveUs says:
    @Entropy

    Which is why the work of Christopher Bollyn is so instructive, because he identifies the points of control leading up to , during, and after the event and (((who))) owned them.

    • Agree: Robjil
  205. annamaria says:
    @Olivier1973

    The total sellout of the US by “new elites” a la Bush & Cheney – ignorant, unpatriotic, and greedy. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    The company that ran airport security at all three airports where the alleged hijackings originated was Huntsleigh, USA, a wholly-owned subsidiary of ICTS International and owned by Ezra Harel and Menachem Atzmon – both Israeli Jews. The company was run by “experts” in the security and intelligence field – Israeli intelligence that is. Most employees were ex-Shin Bet. It is not credible that this company, which ran security at both Boston Logan and Newark airports, was so slipshod as to allow 19 Arabs to board 4 different planes with box-cutters, mace, and even a gun.

    The US is doomed.

    • Thanks: denk
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  206. Lest we forget, the 9/11 official narrative prepared the ground for one of the 20th century’s costliest lies – WMD, that destroyed a once prosperous country, Iraq and wasted the lives of over a million Iraqis. Not to mention the opening of Guantanamo, our torture and rendition facility. Iraq remains a country under occupation and Guantanamo is still in business. One lie was by Jews, the other, together with the resulting war was made on their behalf and by their media.

  207. Why Do Journalists Hate 9-11 Truthers?

    In case anyone is still struggling with this, I will just provide you the answer:

    Journalists are controlled by

    1) The international banking cartel

    2) USA intelligence services

    3) foreign intelligence services

    4) any combination of the above

    If you can think of any other interests, they are most likely covered under one of those categories.

  208. Jerrie [AKA "Jerrie"] says:

    Was JFK pro Palestinian? His brother Robert certainly wasn’t. Mr. anti- war ,Mr. Peacenik, Mr. Solidarity with- the- downtrodden, sided with the Israeli annexation of more Palestinian land and wanted the US to give more money to Israel. That got him killed. That Israel has benefitted from the 9-11 attacks is obvious but it does not mean they did it. of course they cheered the attack; it meant Americans gung ho for killing Arabs in droves and more destabilization of ME countries. More land for Israel down the road? OBL wanted US military bases out of SA, and US to stop supporting ME regimes in general. He was not a religious fanatic but saw himself as a freedom fighter. The US feared al Qaeda would topple that Saudi regime[ they were enemies no matter what the media says].So the US decided to topple Saddam to find another oil rich nation to establish a military base from which to control the ME for the 21st century. Hence the US built the worlds biggest embassy in Iraq. , We thought those Iraqis, unlike those pesky Saudi natives, who were not fundi fanatics like Saudis were, would not mind US having whore houses and bars for our troops stationed there. But they did not ask to be shocked and awed and so fought back and resisted US anyway! it’s not easy to control the world Amerika!

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  209. @A Half Naked Fakir

    I could believe the reason was to land a punch on the fat face of America in return for its incessant attacking, bombing, maiming, and murder in Asia and other places around the world.
    “World Trade” “Center” (sic)! Take that!

    So there’s a motive. Problem is, I can’t believe 19 hijackers and Larry Silverstein had such incalculable luck. So bye-bye to the (((official))) conspiracy theory.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  210. Art says:
    @Ronnie

    “To learn who rules over you simply look to those you cannot criticize.” ― Voltaire

    The MSM is controlled by Jews – their strategy is to support the US Government and then the Government supports Israel and the Jews. It is that simple. Have you noticed how many Jews are surrounding Biden and controlling all major branches of our Government ? It is a total takeover.

    Every US media person knows that their professional life is in jeopardy, every time the subject of 9/11 comes up. They must declare any factual discussion of 9/11 as a conspiracy hoax. Zionism occupies and rules the US media.

    Zionism has reason to hide the facts of 9/11 – at every critical juncture of the whole 9/11 story, Jews are present.

    Zionism Occupies America.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  211. denk says:

    gen James “Mike” Holmes

    2001
    I’was right there in the Pentagon and saw the terrorists crashing in.

    2021
    U aint seen nuthin yet.

    These days, The yellow peril makes 911 looks like child s play.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  212. @saggy

    They base their entire argument on the controlled demolition of the WTC buildings. To believe this idiocy you have to believe that everyone in the govt. from the president on down is a traitor and part of the conspiracy

    No, you do not “have to believe” that!
    Bush was a duffer. It is easy to believe that he didn’t know what Cheney was up to. The thousands of people working in the WTC may have noticed a lot of construction, repairs, and elevators being out of order, but it is unfair to accuse them of being “traitors” because they didn’t stop the buildings being wired for demolition.
    What you said is irrational.

    • Agree: Stoic_seeker
  213. cortesar says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Reed, disingenuous a*hole
    watch this video which shows a side by side comparison of building 7 and a similar building controlled demolition and explain using laws of physics particularly the free fall.

    • Thanks: Miro23, Mevashir
  214. @Jerrie

    Bull-shit!!!!!!!! What got RFK killed was his threat to the Warren Commission ‘lone gunman’, ‘Magic Bullet’ garbage. Palestine only came into it in the choice of patsy, Sirhan, which gives one a clue to the real killers of both Kennedys.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
  215. @annamaria

    You are as much ‘ex’ Shin Bet as you are ‘ex’ MOSSAD or CIA.

  216. @denk

    Sinodinos, in my opinion, is one of the vilest Liberal (ie hard Right) operatives of the last twenty years. China only ‘threatens’ Rightwing Western racists. The rest of the world in on China’s side against the barbarians who have terrorised the world for 500 years.

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Troll: The Griffins
    • Replies: @denk
  217. Sparkon says:
    @JohnnyGodYilmaz

    Yes, I recall seeing that particular “nose out” video in pretty good quality on one of the TV networks a few days after 9/11. I can’t recall which network, but the video was quite vivid and shocking, and one of the announcers exclaimed:

    “It went right through it!”

    Sure it did. All in pixels.

    The first video link you referenced under Laurent Guyénot’s 9/11 Strausian article is in comment #12 by Archipataphysicien, referencing “A voir absolument ! SEPTEMBER CLUES de Simon Shack,” but it now has a just a black box which informs:

    Sorry
    This video does not exist.

    But you can view or download Simon Shack’s September Clues here:

    https://www.septemberclues.info/

  218. Phil4Phil says:
    @aandrews

    The author says:

    Yes. General Barry McCaffrey. (page 295-6)

  219. Tony Hall says:

    Philip Kraske makes some neat points in pointing out the visceral contempt of most paid journalists for skeptics who give high priority to comparing the official narrative of the events of 9/11 to interpretations based on the assessment of genuine evidence. Anyone who has taken even a few hours to make the comparison cannot help but be struck by the enormous gulf between the official lies and what the primary eye-witness, textual and photographic sources actually show. As many have been pointing out in this thread, the misinterpretations extend to the ridiculous government and mainstream media interpretations of who did what to whom and why.

    In my view Mr. Kraske casts his web far too narrowly. Those responsible for keeping alive the very effective cover-up of what truly transpired on 9/11 include intellectual workers and public personalities of many kinds. The most prominent and pathetic of these saboteurs of truthful, evidence-based interpretation are the cowed academics. With a few notable exceptions, academics can be accused of a massive collective crime of professional malfeasance for allowing the embedding in the culture of such an audacious misinterpretation of the underlying foundational event that established the basic frames of reference for the geopolitical unfolding of the twenty-first century.

    [MORE]

    The lies and crimes of 9/11 have set a number of precedents that now are being built and expanded upon in the invocation of emergency powers facilitated by the manufactured COVID crisis. This crisis is leading to the widespread slaughter of sanity, lives, public wellbeing, the middle class, and public institutions. This list is far from complete. With the declarations of unwinnable wars on the inevitable mutations of the celebrity virus, we are being rushed into many vicious cycles involving booster shots, mandatory vaccines, all-purpose vaccine passports, medical apartheid, and further rounds of massive and irresponsible medical experiments on human subjects.

    The failure of a wide array of public intellectuals to expose the lies and crimes entailed in this manufactured COVID crisis is thoroughly intertwined with the failure of the largest mass of public intellectuals, Prof. Noam Chomsky most prominent among them, to get a handle on the lies and crimes of 9/11.

    Years ago I reflected on the failure of both journalists and academics to give precedence to meeting the requirements of 9/11 truth over the easier requirements of political and professional expedience. The essay presented a call in 2009 for Canadians to arrest for war crimes former US President, George W. Bush. The paper was written shortly before Bush was to visit Calgary to deliver his first major paid speech following his two terms as top gun in the Cheney-dominated White house. I wrote,

    The most serious failures connected to the events of 9/11 are not those of US intelligence agencies, airport security services, NORAD and the like. Rather the deepest and darkest of the failures to protect us for those enemies that menace us most lie with journalists, mainstream media outlets, professors and the universities that employ us. It is we who have in the vast majority of cases chosen to abandon our skepticism and with it our professional ethics and responsibilities. By and large our professional class and caste continue to respond to the events of 9/11 in ways that are expedient rather than wise. As I see it, therefore, it is a mass treason of the intellectuals that constitutes the most significant underlying condition resulting in the continuing fraud known as the War on Terror. The War on Terror continues to be packaged, promoted and sold to the public in the most aggressive campaign of psychological warfare ever mounted. How many of us are complicit with our silence in this black psyop, the key enabling factor in the ongoing aggressive wars justified in the name of an unfounded and unproven official conspiracy theory of 9/11?

    BUSH LEAGUE JUSTICE:
    Should George W. Bush Be Arrested in Calgary Alberta To Be Tried For International Crimes?

    by
    Anthony J. Hall
    Professor of Globalization Studies
    University of Lethbridge

    (For presentation as the annual distinguished lecture sponsored by the Sociology Department of the University of Winnipeg, 6 March, 2009)

    http://911blogger.com/news/2009-03-07/bush-league-justice-prof-anthony-hall

    How much does this concept of treason of the intellectuals apply to the people who provide the core content here at Unz Review? Questions about who did what to whom on 9/11 have been addressed by many Unz authors. A primary contributor has been Laurent Guyénot. He has highlighted the geopolitical significance of 9/11 in several books and a number of articles. See, for instance,

    https://www.unz.com/article/911-was-an-israeli-job/

    Ron Unz, Unz Review founder and Editor-In-Chief, introduced his bold interpretation of 9/11 in September of 2018 with his essay, “9/11 Conspiracy Theories.”

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-911-conspiracy-theories/

    RU’s contribution came as the last of 8 large “American Pravda” articles churned out in an extremely prolific summer of considerable erudition between June and September of 2018. All these essays addressed extremely sensitive subjects on a constellation of subjects usually treated by the professional censors and defamation experts in the Jewish Lobby as forbidden zones. In remarking on the unwillingness of the Anti-Defamation League to seriously intervene, conspiracy analyst Kevin Barrett commented, “the ADL has attacked me countless times for saying 1% of what Ron Unz says” in the group of 8 essays.

    The reader responses in this thread indicate that the famously assertive commenters at Unz Review are well aware of the importance of Israel First partisans in all aspects of the 9/11 debacle. These aspects include the enormous task of planning the elaborate 9/11 false flag, participating in the plan’s execution, orchestrating the media’s initial coverage and interpretation, setting in motion the official responses including the US invasion of Afghanistan within three weeks, and then setting up and maintaining the elaborate cover up that continues to this day. The feat was as extraordinary as it was disastrous for the future wellbeing of our society.

    While the government’s and media’s misrepresentation of 9/11 is well understood here, outside Unz Review any highlighting of the importance of Israel First partisans in the overall operation is treated by organized Jewry as the highest level of thought crime and speech crime, second only to the revisionism deemed to be “Holocaust Denial” on any given day. Of course both the 9/11 and Holocaust narratives have been rendered as essential pillars of Israel’s place in the world, pillars that must be kept in place no matter what.

    In spite of all this awareness at Unz Review, many of the articles published here are based on the premise that the official narrative of 9/11 has some sort of genuine consensus behind it when that simply is not the case. Some of the authors at Unz Review go along with the official narrative of 9/11 or simply write around the issue as if it is invisible or of no significance to, say, imperialism, militarism, economics or ideology in the twenty-first century. Many of the UR authors who conduct themselves thusly write primarily for mainstream venues like the Asia Times or they have academic appointments that render them hostage to the prejudices of peers as expressed, for instance, in tenure and promotion hearings. One such UR contributor is economist Michael Hudson.

    Of course in a free speech webzine it is taken for granted that authors should have a free hand to develop their own interpretations of the subjects in whatever ways they choose. But how far should that rule extend? How can any competent and informed commentary on the twenty-first century ignore the abundant evidence-based literature that paints a realistic picture of 9/11 and its effects on all that has happened or will happen after 2001?

    To ignore or seriously misrepresent the nature of the impact of 9/11 on the twenty-first century seems to me to represent as much of a problem as, say, a commentary written with the assumption that the government of Great Britain throughout the Victorian era pretty much minded its own business in the larger global milieu. Isn’t it time we insisted that, at least in those few milieu’s like UR where 9/11 is more or less understood for what it really is, that fake interpretations involving this far-reaching subject are enough to disqualify authors who insist on contributing them?

    Haven’t the New York Times and the Washington Post disqualified themselves in many ways as credible venues of record. Their lies and crimes prominently include playing such important roles in keeping a lid on the lies and crimes of 9/11? Why should these media companies that have consistently censored the truth of 9/11 be believed when it comes to the manufactured crisis of COVID-19. If COVID started as a bioweapon, as is repeatedly asserted by Ron Unz, then doesn’t it follow that the COVID crisis likely continues to be manufactured?

    It will come as no secret to many Unz readers and commenters that some of us, myself included, are coming to see the manufactured COVID crisis as a medical false flag replete with at least as many deceptions and power grabs as the 9/11 false flag ever was. This notion is presently being rejected as “lunacy” by Ron Unz who took 18 years to take on the task of sorting out truth from fiction in assessing the 9/11 portfolio.

    For the time being Ron Unz is attempting to put tight boundaries around those trying to raise the alarm by demeaning as “anti-vaxxers” the millions who are arriving at similar conclusions about our current dilemma. The false flag of 2020-2021 is potentially far more consequential than the false flag of 2001 because it is far easier to promote mind-numbing hysteria in response to a plague, an epidemic, an pandemic than in response to the manufactured threat of Islamic jihad.

    In the part of UR assigned by RU for combat between pro- and anti-vaxxers, there is much commentary describing the lies and alleged pathologies of “COVID Officialdom.” Rather than attempt to describe what is going on in the course of over 4,000 comments (and still counting in this section) I’ll cut to the chase by introducing a brand new commentary I received yesterday from Rolf Hefti.

    Hefti describes himself as an Independent Health Investigator and Author. The author zeroes in on the rejection by the COVID Officialdom of Vitamin C. He persuasively argues that this rejection constitutes a smoking gun that points to the perpetrators of many very large crimes. In his very original analysis Hefti convincingly demonstrates this current crisis has nothing to do with the promotion of health remedies. Instead we are living through the pivotal phase of a malevolent power grab being done behind a deceptive veil of public health. Check out for yourselves the essay, “The Married Pink Elephants in the Historical Room.”

    https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html

    Amen

  220. Mr. Anon says:
    @Voltara

    Dave McGowan was a moron.

  221. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    I generally I generally like Ryan Dawson but iirc he believes that jet fuel burning was the cause of the buildings collapsing.

    No, he doesn’t. What the “jet fuel can’t melt steel” crowd fail to understand is:

    1.) Steel doesn’t have to melt to fail, it just has to soften. The strength of metals are a function of temperature; raise the temperature enough and they lose a lot of their strength.

    2.) There was also, potentially, a lot of burning aluminum (from the airframes).

    3.) About half the load-bearing structure on one side of each building was torn out by force of the collisions.

    4.) Dawson has also theorized (with some reason) that the spinkler systems were sabotaged ahead of time.

    • Replies: @W
  222. @Max Payne

    American construction is excellent. No skyscraper has ever collapsed straight down. WTC 1 and 2 were perhaps hit by planes and didn’t topple. Shame about all that pulverised asbestos.

  223. @Miro23

    Has anyone tried doing a Lucky Larry with a car? Buy an old asbestos dinosaur, double-insure it, and when “someone” blows it up, collect 10 times its value in insurance money. Easy money! What could go wrong?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  224. Miro23 says:
    @Badger Down

    Has anyone tried doing a Lucky Larry with a car? Buy an old asbestos dinosaur, double-insure it, and when “someone” blows it up, collect 10 times its value in insurance money. Easy money! What could go wrong?

    Nothing, if your friends control the media, government and legal system.

  225. Often times people say that to take over the controls of a relatively complex aircraft and then proceed to correctly navigate it on course , then to identify and hit your target dead center would be extremely difficult and beyond the skill levels for unskilled flight school dropouts that they were.
    However, bear in mind that programmed aircraft are nothing new such as flying drones and as far back as WW2 the military was remotely flying unmanned various types of aircraft. It’s possible the hijackers job was only to take over the cockpit and incapacitate the crew and then others would remotely fly it.

  226. About some “dead” passengers:

  227. Oracle says:

    The central question is qui bono? Why would a somewhat raggle taggle band of underprepared countries want to call the ire of an advanced technological military machine down upon themselves? Could there be another actor who would want a scapegoat?

    • Replies: @Jerrie
  228. There’s three conclusions as to why journalists hate 9/11 truthers:

    1. They suffer from cognitive dissonance, unable to accept that their own government would be instrumental on the attack that killed so many people on that day, in all attacks. Therefore, they believe the official story, because to not believe it would mean accepting that which they can’t accept.

    2. They are all part & parcel of the new world order, bringing in the world communist state. This means many are probably freemasons and those who aren’t are part of the woke brigade. And of course, the jewish aspect; that is, there’s a very disproportionate number of jews working in the industry.

    3. Neither of the above and know precisely what’s going on, but they collect a wage and that’s good enough for them. They’re just ‘doing their job’, probably somewhat nihilistic and very possibly making enough money to get out of Sh*tsville with their family.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  229. @Badger Down

    Larry Silverstein was at best a second rate property developer in New York City’s cutthroat real estate market dominated mostly by seven or so families and now thanks to the tragedy of 9/11 in which he got double indemnity for the World Trade Seven, his family is a major player… some people have all the “luck” I suppose or magical touch!

  230. Journalists aren’t the only people who strongly detest, ridicule or ignore the 9-11 Truthers. That reaction is also common among folks whose careers aren’t beholden to the the string pullers of the MSM and academia. It is because that event functions as a foundational Myth that a critical mass of people within Western and particularly American culture are so psychologically invested in that to undermine it would, in many cases, feel like a religious conversion. Ironically, the people who cling most viciously to the Myth are those who call those who challenge it “conspiracy theorists”, despite the official version itself being nothing but a conspiracy theory. Even the official version involves a conspiracy to commit a mass murder. Mass murder as a political statement vs mass murder as the impetus for political action. But what’s happened is that the mass murder succeeded in the goal of impelling political action. Blood is all over the hands not only of the perpetrators of the mass murder but on the hands as well of the culture deceived by its leaders into invading other countries and murdering its people.

    So the implications of admitting to the Truth that the official story is a Myth has implications for American culture that are far worse than simply accepting as true the story of a fanatics with boxcutters who could barely solo in a Cessna making impossible mauevers at break apart speeds to hit 2 buildings in NYC, knock down 3, and leave hardly a trace of the planes while dropping the Atta passport on the sidewalk. The implication of denying that fairy tale would be as grave for the soul as coming to the realization that other Myths on which people justify themselves are false, such as the belief in the afterlife and that God rewards the righteous with Paradise. To accept the Truther truth implies that the Government is not society’s protecter but is a mass murderer, along perhaps with outside interests whom the culture believes to be flawless allies and chosen by God to be the light of all nations. To undo that much indoctrination about the Government and its closest friend and ally is far more threatening and underming to the core identity of adherents of the Official Story Myth than the scapegoated 19 Islamic fanatics.

    So while I agree that the hostility from some quarters of the MSM is driven by the carot and stick pressures of careerism, I think there is an almost religious blind spot at work where people would rather fight and even die to preserve an illusion that to them is more precious than seeing that the truths they’ve based their identity on is a Big Lie.

  231. moi says:
    @Mulegino1

    Two “facts” thou shall not question: 6 million dead in holocaust, and the official narrative of 9/11.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  232. @anon

    Better call him “Tel Aviv Rose”.

  233. @Frederick V. Reed

    “…(c)onspiracy theorists who believe that there are microchips in vaccines, space aliens in Roswell,FEMA, black helicopters, and (no doubt) dinosaurs being grown by the Pentagon as bio weapons…”

    Typical strawman tactic.

  234. @utu

    Thanks.

    Was available from Amazon.

    Still is, or the Prime Video page is still up anyway (I haven’t purchased it):

    https://www dot amazon dot com/SEVEN-Ed-Asner/dp/B08NY2TMCW

    (Please replace the “dot” strings with dots. The link apparently wasn’t loading correctly.)

    I don’t get Alfred’s LOL. No polemics intended. I just don’t get it.

    • Replies: @utu
  235. @Half Back

    A living Lee Oswald would disclose during his trial that he was a “patsy” and thus become a risk of disclosing the (((real suspects))). Jack Ruby wanted to prevent that, out of traditional Jewish “love for Israel”, and not out of American patriotism, which people of his kind don’t possess.

  236. skrik says:
    @JohnnyGodYilmaz

    I wish I knew how to download and preserve this cartoon

    OK, kindly try this:

    1. I use Firefox; scroll to Guyénot’s video “Ace Baker : Psy-op (extract)”,

    2. r-click on image area, l-click on “Inspect Element (Q[ul])”,

    3. In new left panel, scroll to see src=” and l-click on it (highlighting changes),

    4. r-click on newly highlighted area, mouse to “Copy [right arrow]”, mouse to and l-click on “Outer HTML”,

    5. Paste into some open Notepad (r-click to open menu and l-click on “Paste”),

    6. Highlight text within quotes src=”https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/v/6/p/e/v6pec.caa.mp4?u=0&b=0&#8243;, r-click & select “Copy”,

    7. Paste&go into a new browser page address field, pause the playback.

    8. r-click on image area, l-click on “Save video as”, complete that and all done. rgds

    • Replies: @skrik
  237. Trinity says:

    The good news is that the number of people who believe the “official narrative” is becoming smaller and smaller.

    • Replies: @Jerrie
  238. skrik says:
    @skrik

    Err; formatting error. The double quote should appear after b=0 meaning copy from https to b=0 OR just l-click my posted link in #244, select “Open link in a new window” then continue with (8). rgds

  239. Jerrie says:
    @Oracle

    They brought us to the knowledge there could be consequences to US for our policies towards them. And it wasn’t a raggle taggle of countries, but a militia. No country ever did that. The US has been bombing people civilians other countries throughout the 20th century ,with impunity, They gave US punity.

    Never before have two huge airplanes smashed into 2 huge buildings situated side by side. So all this denying of the physics of it , is ludicrous. It’s not a common occurrence to compare with anything before.

  240. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @moi

    Oh, don’t forget the fact that the 2020 election was also the most secure and honest in history, all experts agree to this. Anything else is just baseless claims of election fraud with no substance.

    • Agree: moi
  241. Jerrie says:
    @Trinity

    To deny OBL did it or that the buildings did not collapse as they did, is controlled opposition or useful idiocy. Barking up the wrong trees. I say they saw themselves as freedom fighters!

  242. I rarely see deep personal hatred from journalists for 9/11 truthers. And I was puzzled by the near-end statement that “Journalists are conservatives” – however that is meant except in the sense of wanting to conserve their jobs. They are obedient to their authority – the ownership of the media and the networks are linked to, and fiercely supportive of, the mostly Jewish neocons in the USG and to Israel where all roads of 9/11 responsibility lead. They certainly do not fear 9/11 truthers – we have lost badly, and both journalists and more importantly their masters know this.

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Thanks: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  243. Miro23 says:
    @White Elephant

    Journalists as a group are fairly intelligent and informed people who deal with a lot of information so:

    1) Not many (dopes)

    2) Quite a few Jewish activist in the higher reaches. Almost universal in media ownership.

    3) Cynically collaborating to avoid trouble and collect their salaries. Just about everyone else.

  244. On re-reading this article (which does make some good points), it suddenly struck me that he was doing a George Bush on us. Bush asserted that the “terrorists” hate us for our freedom; Kraske asserts that journalists hate truthers for their freedom as well. Both, sadly, were and are wrong.

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Phil4Phil
  245. Mevashir says:

    Very well written. Succinct and to the point.

    The following is a true story. back in 2006 there was an international media event in Boulder Colorado. Television news reporters were congregated around the boulder Justice center for 2 weeks. I started circulating among them distributing a simple 9/11 truth flyer. On my third day moving among the news mavens, abberly Fox news cameraman took me aside. Steeling myself for the worst, I was surprised when he told me the following:

    “Son, you are wasting your time here. Everyone in the media knows that the official account of 9/11 was a white wash and a cover-up. But the news owners back in New York City will not allow us to report the truth.”

    Welcome to America: the sanctimonious billshit society. our only Hope apparently is that the consequences of global warming will accelerate wiping out red State Repugnicons along with bluestate Demoncraps.

    • Thanks: Olivier1973
  246. As the old saying goes, “It is very difficult to “know” something, when your livelihood (or your LIFE) depends on you NOT knowing it!”

  247. Mevashir says:
    @Art

    Zionism Occupies America.

    Zayanism f*cks America. Very important to know that Zayan is Hebrew for f*ck. Tsiyon is the Hebrew word incorrectly transliterated as “Zayan” and refers to the mountain in Jerusalem named Tsiyon symbolic of State of Israel.

    The Zayanist agenda is very clear. Like locusts they will despoil any society ravaging it stealing all its wealth and then moving on to more fertile grounds. Their leaders pay off goy collaborators very generously to aid and abet this robbery.

  248. Mevashir says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Ferd Reedovitch strikes(out) again.

  249. Anon[800] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    I would like to nominate Fredo V. Reed for the Walter Duranty Unz Pulitzer prize.

    In the 1930s, as the Jewish Bolsheviks were busy imposing a state-enforced starvation famine on millions of Ukraine’s most successful farmers and their families, Duranty was sent there by the ((NYT)) to tell the world lies about the famine. He could see with his own eyes the unimaginable suffering and death and misery, as millions of the regions best and brightest were systematically starved to an excruciating death, (because they were the best and brightest), Duranty wrote that the whole thing was a nothing burger, and there was only a bit of disgruntled farmers who were too selfish to share what they produced.

    He lied about the worst genocide of the 20th century, for lucre and perks, and won a Pulitzer prize!

    Well, today the spirit of the Walter Duranty Unz Prize in Whornalism most foul, has obviously been honed to a fine art by the Whorenalist of the Century ~ Fredo V. Reed!

    In the last century, Duranty used his skills to shill for the world’s most callous and cruel ethnically megalomaniacal, genocidal fiends on the planet. The ones who caused the Boer war and Russian- descent into hell- Revolution, and both World Wars, and all the consequent suffering.

    In this century, it is none other than Fredo V. (for venal), Reed, who is the most shameless and obeisant liar and shill for the fiends on the world’s stage, who (obviously) perpetrated 9/11 in order to plunge the world into Eternal Wars for Israel, and all of it for a few contemptuously tossed shekels.

    Consider..

    Has Fredo ever even mentioned the USS Liberty?

    This is a guy who writes about wars and their folly for a living. And often uses his poison pen to deconstruct the American service member, (like the ones on the Liberty), for their crass ineptitude.

    But to this day, I don’t think Fredo has even heard of the USS Liberty, or the men who were murdered by ((cowards)) on that day.

    So congratulations Fredo!

    That is really some remarkable accomplishment.

    You are now in a very elite group of notable personages.

    Walter Duranty, of the 20th Century. And now Fredo V. Reed, for the 21st!

    • Agree: The Griffins
  250. HbutnotG says:

    I can’t personally speak for the journalists, but those 100’s of miles of tunnels linking Wal Marts’ as some military machinery may turn off all but the dopiest ones. No?

    (For the record, yes those bldg’s were detonated. That’s obvious. But why? Anybody’s guess) My dad suggested that the (((advertising industry))) was in need of a “booster shot.” I’d have to say, those dots connect.

    • Replies: @aj54
  251. @Alden

    Retarded are those who think that by having mass-media and power structures
    in their pocket, and by ridiculing, targeting, intimidating, and otherwise “taking care”
    of non-conformists among the remaining population they can keep these lies forever.
    Impossible ! A lie repeated 137 or 522 times is still a lie. And Big Lies are better seen
    from a distance.

  252. aj54 says:
    @BluEidDvl

    There were three or four “readiness exercises” being held concurrently that day (never before in history), of which the FAA was informed AHEAD OF TIME. You might still be able to find the recordings between planes and air traffic controllers, who are asking if this is part of the exercise, which goes unanswered. The fighters were told to stand down. The plane in Shanksville was shot at by a fighter who took off anyway, it left a huge debris trail and field in town before it went down outside town. That plane was in the air for nearly an hour, it went far west before turning back.
    There are reports from an airbase in northern NY of one of those planes on the ground there.
    There are two eyewitness reports of one of the planes with the proper tail number outside a NASA building in OH, and the passengers being deplaned/disembarked.

  253. aj54 says:

    The journalists hate people with the freedom and conscience to do what they will not. Silencing and ridiculing those who will not repeat the ‘official story’ is a form of cancel culture. Which is Marxist in origin. Karl Marx said he made a bargain with the Devil, ergo cancel culture is demonic, and we have seen it’s effects certainly are.

  254. aj54 says:
    @HbutnotG

    There were a number of overlapping agendas at play that day. I hadn’t really considered that the boon to advertising or journalism itself were operative, but why not? Lucky Larry Silverstein (“the decision was made to pull it”) turned 200 million that he put down to buy the towers into a 4 billion dollar insurance payout. The towers were not worth even what he paid for them, as they were under orders to remove asbestos, which was sprayed all over the interior structures, which would have cost billions to remove.
    Building 7 held the SEC records of the Enron fraud. Kantor Fitzgerald held the records of the front running of TBill and Bond purchases. Billions in gold were ‘vaporized’ out of a vault, even though there were incinerated safe deposit boxes that still had recognizable stacks of blackened paper in them. Then there were the weapons systems live tested. A couple weeks ago you could still search youtube for the ball weapon used at the towers that was fired from a helicopter.

  255. Sparkon says:
    @W

    Thanks for posting that video of Norman Mineta’s testimony to 9/11 Commission Co-chair Lee Hamilton of Indiana.

    I had a discussion about Mineta’s testimony with our host Ron Unz earlier this year, my comments #302 and #342 in that exchange beginning here:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/what-to-do-about-israel/?showcomments#comment-

    Now I see the video I’d posted of Mineta’s testimony in my comment #342 “is unavailable,” so I’m glad to see you’ve posted it again here.

    It was rather disheartening to see Ron Unz jump to Dick Cheney’s defense, while downplaying the “elderly” Mineta’s testimony.

    MR. MINETA:…I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”

    https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/9-11-report-testimony-altered-to-hide-cheney-roll-in-pentagon-hit/article/425008#ixzz75iFlvPE3

    The orders still stood because VP Cheney didn’t want to shoot down his own airplane, which was about to buzz the Pentagon, and so the order must have been “hold your fire,” and that accounts for the “young man’s” desire to have the order confirmed.

    Psst. You have to wonder what was going through that messenger’s head as the plane was getting closer, and the order still stood. Did he ever maybe start thinking…heaaay, does he know something I don’t?

    The decoy approached the Pentagon and flew over it on a different flight path than the mythical fake AA 77, which allegedly approached on a different flight path than the decoy, and supposedly knocked down some light poles, putting one through the windshield of Lloyde England’s taxi, before allegedly crashing into the Pentagon.

    Allegedly, the Pentagon should have been able to defend itself, but there’s never been any report that the headquarters of the world’s most powerful military put up any defense at all, other than some utility poles, Lloyde England’s taxi, and the walls of April Gallop’s office.

    https://www.thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm

    • Thanks: W
  256. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Alan Sabrosky

    Thank you for your courage Mr. Sabrosky.

    • Agree: Rurik
  257. utu says:
    @Brás Cubas

    I think that Dr. Leroy Hulsey work puts the final nail in the coffin of the official 9/11 narrative. When Richard Gage was showing an interval of free fall of WTC 7 some people were making objection that the free fall could still be possible locally in short intervals w/o implication of demolition but Hulsey used comprehensive finite elements model of the whole building and his conclusion is here:

    https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
    The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

    One only has to add the following step: it was impossible to wire WTC 7 for demolition in 6-8 hours on 9/11. Thus WTC 7 was wired prior to the 9/11 event. This opens reasonable and inescapable conclusion that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were also wired prior to 9/11.

    Alfred’s LOL.? We don’t see eye to eye so he assumes that I am posting some pro government propaganda.

    • Agree: JLK
  258. Dube says:

    The 9/11 television programmers surely were aware of Orson Welles’ 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds. Here’s an excerpt.

    [MORE]

    OPERATOR ONE: This is Bayonne, New Jersey, calling Langham Field . . . This is Bayonne, New Jersey, calling Langham Field . . . Come in, please . . .

    OPERATOR TWO: This is Langham Field . . . Go ahead . . .

    OPERATOR ONE: Eight army bombers in engagement with enemy tripod machines over Jersey flats. Engines incapacitated by heat ray. All crashed. One enemy machine destroyed. Enemy now discharging heavy black smoke in direction of —

    OPERATOR THREE: This is Newark, New Jersey . . . This is Newark, New Jersey . . . Warning! Poisonous black smoke pouring in from Jersey marshes. Reaches South street. Gas masks useless. Urge population to move into open spaces . . .automobiles use Routes 7, 23, 24 . . . Avoid congested areas. Smoke now spreading over Raymond Boulevard . . .

    OPERATOR FOUR: 2X2L . . . calling CQ . . . 2X2L . . . calling CQ . . . 2X2L . . . calling 8X3R . . . Come in, please . . .

    OPERATOR FIVE: This is 8X3R . . . coming back at 2X2L.

    OPERATOR FOUR: How’s reception? How’s reception? K, please (PAUSE) Where are you, 8X3R? What’s the matter? Where are you?

    (BELLS RINGING OVER CITY GRADUALLY DIMINISHING)

    ANNOUNCER: I’m speaking from the roof of the Broadcasting Building, New York City. The bells you hear are ringing to warn the people to evacuate the city as the Martians approach. Estimated in last two hours three million people have moved out along the roads to the north, Hutchison River Parkway still kept open for motor traffic. Avoid bridges to Long Island . . . hopelessly jammed. All communication with Jersey shore closed ten minutes ago. No more defenses. Our army wiped out . . . artillery, air force, everything wiped out. This may be the last broadcast. We’ll stay here to the end . . . People are holding service below us . . . in the cathedral.

    (VOICES SINGING HYMN)
    Now I look down the harbor. All manner of boats, overloaded with fleeing population, pulling out from docks.

    (SOUND OF BOAT WHISTLES)
    Streets are all jammed. Noise in crowds like New Year’s Eve in city. Wait a minute . . . Enemy now in sight above the Palisades. Five — five great machines. First one is crossing river. I can see it from here, wading the Hudson like a man wading through a brook . . . A bulletin’s handed me . . . Martian cylinders are falling all over the country. One outside Buffalo, one in Chicago, St. Louis . . . seem to be timed and spaced . . . Now the first machine reaches the shore. He stands watching, looking over the city. His steel, cowlish head is even with the skyscrapers. He waits for the others. They rise like a line of new towers on the city’s west side . . . Now they’re lifting their metal hands. This is the end now. Smoke comes out . . . black smoke, drifting over the city. People in the streets see it now. They’re running towards the East River . . . thousands of them, dropping in like rats. Now the smoke’s spreading faster. It’s reached Times Square. People trying to run away from it, but it’s no use. They’re falling like flies. Now the smoke’s crossing Sixth Avenue . . . Fifth Avenue . . . one hundred yards away . . . it’s fifty feet . . .

    (BODY FALLS)

    Orson the entertainer shook ’em up, but he didn’t start wars and kill anybody.

  259. Mevashir says:
    @niceland

    So far as I know, not one military official was reprimanded demoted or court-martialed following the biggest defense debacle in American history. The media and the American public are too stupid to ask why and to demand accountability.

    • Thanks: niceland
  260. Mevashir says:
    @denk

    These days, The yellow peril makes 911 looks like child s play.

    The same folks who contrived the 9/11 Zionist terrorist charade also created the modern Chinese economic giant by transferring American manufacturing to low-wage-labor China in order to pad Wall Street profits.

    • Replies: @denk
  261. Let us Keep it Simple: Jews own 95% of US Media. The vast majority of celebrity status “Journalist” and “Commentators” are JEWS employed by JEWISH OWNED MEDIA. And you think they are just being coerced, bullied..etc? They are LOYAL ZIONIST doing their part for the tribe.

    1. 9/11 = Israel + CIA + US Military
    2. 9/11 = Absolute Collusion of Mainstream Media – 95% of all US Media Owned by Zionist.
    3. 9/11 “Maintenance of Myths” – is maintained by who???? Zionist Jews at every level.
    4. 9/11 Family Compensation Fund – Ran by a Zionist Jew
    5. All 9/11 Lawsuits – Jewish Judges deflecting everyone of these lawsuits— All settled out of Court.
    6. Means, Motive and Opportunity = 80% Zionist, 20% US Deep State Actors + US Military
    7. 9/11 Commission – Zionist Jew Owned and Operated – 9/11 Report written in Advance
    8. 9/11 Israeli Spy Ring – All 200 Deported back to Israel by Homeland Security- Zionist Jew Ran
    9. Access to the Twin Towers – Security Company owned by Zionist Jews
    10. New Owner of Twin Towers – Zionist Jew – “Lucky Larry”
    11. Removal of Twin Tower Scrap – Scrap and Shipping company owned by Zionist Jews
    12. September 2000 -PNAC Papers: “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Signatories of PNAC = https://astutenews.com/2019/05/the-25-jewish-neocons-who-got-us-into-the-iraq-war/?cn-reloaded=1
    13. May 2001 – The Movie “Pearl Harbor, starring Ben Affleck” Released May 2001 – Four months before 9/11. Produced by Zionist Jew Hollywood. Zionist JEW HOLLYWOOD

    • Agree: Mevashir, Annony Mouse
  262. Collateral Damage: U.S. Covert Operations and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 by E. P. Heidner

    http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Collateral_Damage_911.pdf

    This is pretty good but complicated.

    This is practically a smoking gun and it is real short: https://archives.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111A.html

    CIA reportedly met Bin Laden in July; Alexandra Richard; Le Figaro, October 31, 2001

    I cannot recall seeing this published in English any where ever. We did not have google translate in October 2001 but now we do!

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @annamaria
  263. dimples says:
    @JohnnyGodYilmaz

    Why would the pixellators put in the nose of the no-plane exiting the building? Sounds dumb to me. Was it a deliberate mistake by an apprentice pixellator not being paid enough, followed by not enough inspection from the team leaders? Was it a deliberate error made to excite the future hordes of no-plane theorists? Was it just a dumb mistake nobody in the pixellation team noticed but eagle eyed no-planers saw immediately? Was it just shit coming out of the building pushed by the explosion? Note that it is not the ‘opposite wall’. The no-plane hit the corner.

    Many questions, many dumb answers. But hang on, does the nose of the plane appear in one video or lots of them? Can somebody explain to me how the supposed pixel anomaly got there in a reasonably rational way? Thanking you in advance.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Dube
  264. annamaria says:
    @Mevashir

    Agree. None was punished for the dereliction of duty and incompetence. This suggests that everything went according to a plan.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Olivier1973
  265. With the 20th anniversary of 9/11 upcoming, I think it’s only right we give some posthumous props to perhaps one of the greatest pilots ever in the history of aviation.

    You know who I’m talkin’ about. That fearless, goatfuckin’, barnstormin’ Sierra Hotel sumbitch who was a cross between Waldo Pepper and Maverick. A worthy adversary to be sure.

    Yessir, it’s Hani Hanjour.

    Hani couldn’t even handle a Cessna a few weeks before he crashed a fully loaded 757 into the Pentagon. But it’s not just the fact that he did it, it’s how he did it.

    It required making a tight 320-degree turn while descending seven thousand feet, then leveling out so as to fly low enough over the highway just west of the Pentagon to knock down lamp posts. After crossing the highway the pilot had to take the plane to within inches of the ground so as to crash into the Pentagon at the first-floor level and at such a shallow angle that an engine penetrated three rings of the building, while managing to avoid touching the lawn. And he had to do all of this while flying over 400 mph.

    https://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/badpilots.html

    400 mph and clippin’ the doggone light poles!

    Ground effect? We don’t worry about no stinkin’ ground effect!

    Despite that, Hani still managed to put er’ right in the ol’ pickle barrel, which just so happened to be the sparsely populated part of that massive structure which was being renovated.

    Cruel twist of fate for Hani ( and Allah…lol), after such a virtuoso performance.

    That’s just one of the many truly AMAZING things that happened on the day of that “catalyzing event”.

    By golly, it was almost like a “new Pearl Harbor”.

  266. Mevashir says:
    @dimples

    Jonathan Revusky has written a series of articles about the “Roger-Rabbit” cartoon-like nature of the mainstream 9/11 narrative. And those planes going through the buildings look exactly like a Bugs Bunny or Road Runner cartoon where a character runs through a brick wall leaving a clear outline of their body.

    The 9/11 Zionist Terrorist Charade was stage-managed for a nation whose population has been completely dumbed-down by 50 years of mindless Hollywood television programming.

  267. @JohnnyGodYilmaz

    you also saw the undamaged nose of the plane come right through the opposite side of the building.

    Which plane? The commercial one or another one with wings and nose made of titanium?

    Isn’t it stange that one of the plane during its approach to NY flew straight over a military airport? Flew or landed and replaced, that is another question.

  268. Mevashir says:
    @annamaria

    EXACTLY!

    Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to impeach Biden over the botched Afghan withdrawal. But was anyone impeached or even seriously challenged or questioned following the 9/11 debacle? No.

    Who needs comics when we have the lamestream media to entertain us!

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  269. @annamaria

    Were they not promoted? This also suggests that everything went according to a plan.

  270. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    I find the contrived and preposterous official 9/11 narrative more frightening even than the attacks themselves, because it indicates the utter contempt the elites have for the rest of us.

    • Agree: Robjil, JohnnyGodYilmaz
  271. @Morton's toes

    CIA reportedly met Bin Laden in July;

    Only the last meeting obviously. Look for Tim Osman.

    For instance:

    https://graviolateam.blogspot.com/2019/10/osama-bin-laden-aka-tim-osman-was-cia.html

  272. Trinity says:

    “We will never forget.”

    The (((establishment media))) forgot the 5 Dancing Israelis overnight.

    • LOL: Mevashir
  273. Dube says:
    @dimples

    Can somebody explain to me how the supposed pixel anomaly got there in a reasonably rational way?

    Here’s the explanation, posted elsewhere, and above by Sparkon:

    But you can view or download Simon Shack’s September Clues here:

    https://www.septemberclues.info/

    • Replies: @dimples
  274. denk says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    We know all western leaders are serial lying pos.

    But what about the people, is it something in their water ?
    We keep hearing whites are HIQ innit ?

    More than 90% of Aussies fear a China invasion.

    Fool me once…..
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-22/trust-china-fallen-record-lows-lowy-institute-annual-poll-/100232258

    PS
    i think you misread annamaria, she is fine.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  275. denk says:
    @Mevashir

    From the horse mouth…

    China’s increased coercion is a far greater threat to the US and its allies than another September 11-style attack, says a recently retired four-star general who was in the Pentagon when terrorists crashed into it almost 20 years ago.

    https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/china-an-existential-threat-to-us-and-allies-general-20210902-p58o1d

  276. Mevashir says:
    @denk

    The general is a lying pos. The entire military establishment is a tool of the very same elites who long ago decided to nurture China as the industrial heartland of the globalized economy.

    China also is the biggest creditor to the sick debt-ridden American economy. China is like the drug pusher supplying product to the hopeless addict, in this case the American consumer.

    If the general is so concerned about China’s power, why doesn’t he lead by example and advocate a 90% cut in the US military budget? This would go a long way to balancing the American budget and weaning us off of the Chinese creditor teat.

    • Replies: @denk
  277. @denk

    Pretty typical psychopathic Yankee lying and projection. The Kings of Murderous Coercion blame others for the same behaviour. It does look as if a great deal of the ruling psychopaths in the West do want a race war against China. Here in Austfailia the hysteria of racist hatred simply grows and grows, and as with all else, NO dissenting voices are allowed to be heard.

  278. @denk

    Austfailians, by and large, are ignorant dumb-clucks. And they are brainwashed in Rightwing ideology, day after day. The race hatred targeting China over recent years has been typically totalitarian, with the few sane voices arguing against the racist campaign purged from public discourse, one by one. And a large group of Austfailians, probably 30-40% or more, are racists, many rabidly so. Mind you, this survey could be fraudulent. The Lowy Institute is a think-tank run by the Haganah operative, which for me means terrorist, Frank Lowy, a fanatic Zionist and one of the lucky recipients of 9/11 insurance money. The Zionists HATE China with Talmudic fury, because they never will control China as they do the West. China’s rise is Zion’s eclipse.

    • Troll: The Griffins
    • Replies: @denk
  279. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Niebelheim

    So while I agree that the hostility from some quarters of the MSM is driven by the carot and stick pressures of careerism, I think there is an almost religious blind spot at work where people would rather fight and even die to preserve an illusion that to them is more precious than seeing that the truths they’ve based their identity on is a Big Lie.

    Agreed. The illusion is akin to the Jewish illusion that there was a “Holocaust” involving gassing of Jews by Germans in WW2, the foundational myth of Israel.

    Another Jewish myth that people cling to is the 6,000 year old earth myth.

    The time is fast approaching where the world can no longer afford to tolerate comforting Jewish myths and lies. And they’re really only “comforting” to psychos who are predisposed to lying to themselves, ie pathological liars, hypocrites and scoundrels.

    These are not the kind of people who should be running the world, or be anywhere near the levers of power.

  280. denk says:
    @Mevashir

    Ever heard of the Vandenberg doctrine ?

    Truman

    How do we rally the country against the USSR ?

    Sen Arthur Vandenberg

    Mr prez, All we gotta to is scare the hell outta the rubes

    Thats the western state craft since time immermorial.

  281. denk says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Austfailians, by and large, are ignorant dumb-clucks. And they are brainwashed in Rightwing ideology, day after day

    .

    JOhn PIlger
    Aussies are like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullshit all day long

    The race hatred targeting China over recent years has been typically totalitarian

    In five liars landscape, there’s no place for truth tellers

    Aussie Prof Jane Golley of the China centre had been hounded down from her tenure by the ptb as well as the rubes.
    All she did was questioning the credibility of that infamous Genz report on ‘UIghur genocide’

    1984 is here.

  282. dimples says:
    @Dube

    Thanks for the link but I don’t really want to watch 1 1/2 hours of no-plane drivel unless I really have to. I saw the bit where the video guy says CNN covers up the no-plane’s nose with a station banner. But no explanations as to why the pixellators PUT THE OFFENDING NOSE IN THE VIDEO IN THE FIRST PLACE. If there is a reasonably rational explanation for this could you perhaps give the time spot in the video where this explanation takes place. I looked the above by Sparkon but he did not explain this either. Thanking you in advance.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Dube
  283. annamaria says:
    @Morton's toes

    We live in a chimerical world where the ruling financial sector is symbiotically intertwined with the CIA/FBI/MIC/MI6/NATO.
    This complex monstrosity imprints its image on the world while extracting life and dignity from humanity and appropriating all kinds of resources from poorly protected nations.

  284. Sparkon says:
    @dimples

    I touched on this briefly under Laurent Guyénot’s 9/11 Straussian article, when I wrote:

    However, the team of hacks who prepared the WTC fake videos were far from experts at the top of their game, and so there are numerous glitches, goofs, artifacts and incongruities in the fake videos.

    To address the nose-out video segment generally, I would begin by noting the impossible Road Runner cartoons blasted into the facades of the Twin Towers, which are no less fantastic than the nose-out video, but even now, 20 years after the fact, there are still deluded fools on this forum arguing that mostly aluminum airliners really could and did smash, cut, blast their way through the dense steel framework that enclosed the Twin Towers like a cage, left an impression of their silhouettes in the steel box columns, and then just disappeared.

    Where’s your curiosity or disbelief about that?

    I mean, c’mon, you refer to Simon Shack’s work as “no-plane drivel,” so I question if you are really here to learn, which as always, takes some effort, but consider please that the entire 9/11 fairy tale is so filled with impossible, improbable, or implausible events, that I suppose some can’t see the forest for the trees.

    As I noted, the nose-out video, when I first saw it, was featured on the evening news, with the announcer exclaiming “It went right through it!” so the 9/11 magic show depended more on the work of Cecil B. DeMille than it did Sir Isaac Newton.

    People have been conditioned by Hollywood and TV to believe in impossible things. to which I would add religion.

    So I would suggest, first of all, that Hollywood hubris might have made the perps think they could get away with it by shock value, where first impressions are more important than rational, deliberate thought or analysis, which many people, perhaps most, simply do not have the mental acuity to undertake.

    Or it could have been a simple technical mistake, especially if the magic show was done live with video insertion software, where the pixel perps were hacks who neglected to terminate the flight path of the fake airplane within the building (or its mask) so it didn’t come out the other side.

    That kind of mistake is certainly possible with 3D graphics, simple compositing, and especially with video insertion software like PVI’s L-VIS, where the visual jiggery pokery is done live in real time.

  285. “9-11 Truth” is a linguistic misdirection.

    Truthers try to make people think a plane didn’t hit the building it hit. That it somehow was rigged With explosives from the inside. It’s a perversion of the actual “inside job’s. Meant to discredit further inquiry and careful examination of the “official investigation”.

    It’s no wonder that the likes of Ed Asner would be involved in an effort to steer investigation and speculation from who orchestrated the attack, to how the beams were rigged. Now it’s an endless argument about melting temps of steel beams.

    A classic misdirection.

    9-11 was an inside job. The kaleidoscope everyone looks through shows all different views when turned, but the scope itself represents who, what, when, where and why. Not only how. Hold the scope the government media has you looking through away from your eyes at arms length. That’s who did it. Not the ever changing show you see when you look through it.

    • Replies: @AB_Anonymous
  286. Another troublesome oddity about 9/11 that’s not discussed much is connected to Silverstein’s “pull it.” Well, I understand “there’s already been so much loss of life” what else could be done with the totally emptied building except “pull it?”

    There’s no mystery at all regarding the collapse of Building 7. It contained high explosives that were detonated on command when, because of the tragic loss of life on that day, the building had to be pulled.

    The question is why was this building loaded with explosives? When were the explosives loaded into the building? Is this standard building practice in Manhattan? Were other buildings loaded with explosives? Which other buildings?

    Many years ago I helped my father build a house. As we nailed the rock lathe into place, my dad showed me how to place explosives between the two-by-fours and how to connect them to the wiring. I thought this dangerous and strange and asked why we want explosives in the walls. “We may need to pull it, Son.”

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  287. @Mevashir

    And will anyone be demoted for what happened lately in Kabul? I can believe that the intelligence agencies didn’t have a clue what was going on and were caught unawares by the rapid Taliban takeover of Kabul, but that they were so incompetent on US soil that they didn’t have a hint about the Al Qaida conspiracy to crash planes into the WTC on 911 is somewhat harder to accept. Or they were in on it as many claim.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  288. Phil4Phil says:
    @Alan Sabrosky

    Dr. Sabrosky has honored me with two readings of my article, which he kindly says “makes some good points,” so I suppose a reply is in order.

    My phrase, “Journalists are conservatives” puzzles him. I only mean that journalists are very much tied to the present order of society and don’t want to see it upset. Reform is fine, but nothing radical. Journalists believe in The System because they have flourished in it. Truthers threaten them: they say that it is crooked. They are comfortable with a bin Laden: a recognizable exterior evil. That people close to the top level of American government — or working with Israelis, as Dr. S says — were responsible for 9-11, well, that digs deep into the journalistic skin and causes the bitter backlash that we see in Jeremy Stahl’s article.

    But as to “doing a George Bush” on anyone — ouch! I think that it is unquestionable that red-blooded investigative journalists resent the limits placed on them by their editors/producers. Just look at comment 253, where a Fox News cameraman told the writer, “Son, you are wasting your time here. Everyone in the media knows that the official account of 9/11 was a white wash and a cover-up. But the news owners back in New York City will not allow us to report the truth.” The writer didn’t sound too happy about it.

    You should do penance for that comment, Dr. S., like buying and reading my book.

  289. @Franz

    they never have to get their hands dirty even once

    Indeed.

    But unfortunately for them their souls aren’t looking quite so good.

    • Agree: Franz
  290. @Miro23

    The only way it will end is when one elderly, rich, and important man with nothing to lose speaks up against the dictators and others follow suit. I hope I am alive when you see all of the boot-lickers in congress start making excuses for their abject treachery against the country and its citizens.

  291. Dube says:
    @dimples

    Let me back up to a more keenly pertinent video, which answers your question in its first nine minutes. It’s embedded in Laurent Guyenot’s article –

    https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-was-a-straussian-coup/?

    I can’t seem to get a specific URL for that vid, but it is the first one near the beginning of the article.
    It is an explanation of “video compositing,” in which two or more images are layered, as if they are one. Thus a live shot from a helicopter, steadily centered on one of the two Towers, can be combined with a Computer Generated Image (CGI) of a plane approaching along an impact trajectory, from right to left in this composite.

    That layer of the plane image is masked over its left half, so that the moving plane does not appear at all in the left half of the screen, in that layer.

    Meanwhile, the live shot from Fox chopper 5 is fixed steadily with the Tower centered, so the composite video would appear to show a plane striking the Tower from the right, and not appearing at all in the left half of the composite.

    Meanwhile, chopper 5 drifted, so that the Tower was no longer centered in the live layer, as you will see. Thus the video composite was a mismatch. The mask worked; however, its edge was no longer centered and aligned within the image of the Tower. Thus the image of the plane appeared to travel past the layered image of the Tower.

    • Agree: Goyboy
    • Replies: @skrik
  292. The Jews have been banished from 109 different countries in the last 2000 years. Think about that for a moment: 109 different governments suddenly dropped what they were doing and removed the Jews from within their borders. War, famine, disease, all took a sudden backseat to this imperative. Did they have nothing better to do ? Have you actually read Kevin Macdonalds’ The Culture Of Critique ? You remind me of comedian Bill Burr who presents himself as “edgy”, but is really just a shill.

  293. I’ve already had my fill of this never-ending 20th anniversary crap being shoved down people’s throats by the news media. To top it off they’re still peddling it the same way they always did as a marketing gimmick to con people into buying the “war on terror” with us or against us BS. Crime against the people to scare the daylights out of them for no legitimate reason, I imagine big pharma’s anti-depressant sales soared in the days , months after the dirty deed all because of them scaring people sh-less…

  294. AKAHorace says:
    @W

    Hi W,

    sorry for the late reply.

    How did a random lunatic know that JFK was going ride past the book depository?

    Wasn’t this announced in the papers before hand ? And if a random lunatic gets the route wrong and the presidents motorcade does not pass by and he goes home annoyed but with his weapon unfired we never hear about it.

    Yet camal jockeys got in the US and pulled off the most complicated black op in history without the most sofistacated intelligence agencies knowing about it.

    These “camel jockeys” had already managed to blow up two US embassies in East Africa and attack a US warship in Yemen. I would not underrate them. Also, the operation was spectacular but not sophisticated. Getting onto a plane with box cutters and being able to crash planes is not very complicated.

    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Dube
  295. @AKAHorace

    the masses could not accept that he was killed by a random lunatic

    LOL

    Funnily enough, neither could thousands of highly-capable, professional journalists, specialist investigators, independent researchers, retired police officers, authors or many, many hundreds of other well-respected, time-served experts in many fields of analysis who, over the course of almost 60 years, have accumulated, studied and collated the masses of hard evidence directly OPPOSING every aspect of the “official” narrative.

    And ?

    And they have come to the inescapable, cold, hard, rational conclusion based on the FACTS that the “proven” narrative of a “single-random-lunatic” (with mediocre shooting skills and a faulty rifle, on a moving target from 80 yards through dense autumn tree cover in 6 and a half seconds) is simply utterly physically impossible. Millions of other intelligent people agree with them.

    You might also wish to know that our esteemed and highly-intelligent host here, Mr Ron Unz, has himself also written one or two (hundred thousand) deeply valuable words of his own on the subject, which are made freely available on this very website, for doubters such as you to take another, slightly more detailed, look at the facts. I recommend Mr Unz’s many fine works to you.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  296. @Uncommonground

    Yes, sure he was.

    And 20 years on, he has not been silenced… Why, exactly…?

  297. AKAHorace says:
    @Dave Bowman

    You might also wish to know that our esteemed and highly-intelligent host here, Mr Ron Unz, has himself also written one or two (hundred thousand) deeply valuable words of his own on the subject, which are made freely available on this very website, for doubters such as you to take another, slightly more detailed, look at the facts. I recommend Mr Unz’s many fine works to you.

    I have a lot of respect for Ron Unz for providing a voice for many points of view that the media ignores. He does have a weakness for strange conspiracy theories though. This is a man who thinks that Covid is a US biological weapon.

    Funnily enough, neither could thousands of highly-capable, professional journalists, specialist investigators, independent researchers, retired police officers, authors or many, many hundreds of other well-respected, time-served experts in many fields of analysis who, over the course of almost 60 years, have accumulated, studied and collated the masses of hard evidence directly OPPOSING every aspect of the “official” narrative.

    There are also many who have looked at the evidence for the JFK assassination and agreed with the official story. Their opinions tend to attract less attention as they are boring.

    The only part of the official story that seems strange to me is Jack Ruby killing Oswald. I put this down to Texans being Texans. From all I have read they are very good mannered, friendly and welcoming but a bit more gun happy than other Americans. When a lunatic started shooting from a clocktower on a University Campus, instead of hiding and waiting for the police, Texan professors took this as an opportunity to have a gun fight.

    There is also the fact that Oswald did defect to the USSR before returning to the States. Once back in the states he seems to have tried to kill Edwin Walker as well as openly agitating in favour of Castros Cuba (which Kennedy had just tried to invade and nearly went to war over). They guy seems to have been very unstable, hungry for the limelight and thus a likely candidate for becoming an assassin.

    Was there really such a big difference between Johnson and Kennedy ? I don’t see any compelling reason to run the risk of killing Kennedy.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Olivier1973
  298. annamaria says:
    @AKAHorace

    “He does have a weakness for strange conspiracy theories”
    — This is not true, and it sounds rather slanderous.

    Also, there are some elderly Texans who can enlighten you about the amazing official story of President John Kennedy’s assassination.

    Here is another “strange part” of the official story, and it is related to a famous autopsy:

    In 1992, the official autopsy photos were specifically exempted from the JFK Records Act and will not be released.

    https://www.fff.org/2021/03/30/the-fraudulent-jfk-autopsy/

    As you will see… the evidence that ended up surfacing leads inexorably to but one conclusion: that the autopsy conducted by the national-security establishment on the body of President Kennedy was fraudulent. …

    There is no innocent explanation for a fraudulent autopsy, especially one that was conducted just a few hours after the assassination and was shrouded in national-security state secrecy. The fraudulent autopsy had to have been built into the cover-up of the assassination itself.

  299. Dube says:
    @AKAHorace

    Getting onto a plane with box cutters and being able to crash planes is not very complicated.

    How right you are! What does complicate the mission is to execute with hangovers and no sleep, in sperm-stained pants, after a night’s carouse at that lap-dance club. And perhaps a twinge of doubt over whether they were flying to Paradise or the fires of eternal Hell. All that can distract from the holy task; good thing the job was so simple.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  300. @Smashed Squash

    Agree. This is one of those cases where clear understanding of what DIDN’T happen
    (COULDN’T have happened for whatever “bullet proof” reason), is much more important
    than attempts to build yet another version of events, which is GUARANTEED to remain
    just a version. And the more such versions are there, the better for the perpetrators of 9/11.
    Not everyone does it intentionally, of course, but the outcome is the same.

  301. AKAHorace says:
    @Dube

    Getting onto a plane with box cutters and being able to crash planes is not very complicated.

    How right you are! What does complicate the mission is to execute with hangovers and no sleep, in sperm-stained pants, after a night’s carouse at that lap-dance club. And perhaps a twinge of doubt over whether they were flying to Paradise or the fires of eternal Hell. All that can distract from the holy task; good thing the job was so simple.

    Look, I didn’t say that the 9-11 19 didn’t have guts. But it is no secret that a lot of Muslim terrorists are as brave as they are cruel. What I was responding to was the comment

    Yet camal jockeys got in the US and pulled off the most complicated black op in history without the most sofistacated intelligence agencies knowing about it.

    • Replies: @Publius603
    , @Dube
  302. Goyboy says:

    And now government ads have really put the liars in the bog-seat.
    I’m talking about the other big lie COVID.
    We are talking big bucks to peddle lies.
    Strange democracy.
    Even stranger Republic?

  303. Spect3r says:
    @dms578

    My cousin 3rd distanced girlfriend grandmother from her triple aunt side says there was!
    LMAO try harder.

  304. @AKAHorace

    JFK not worth killing?? Everyone except the people that voted for him wanted him dead. The Fed. (JFK issued by EO new currency the 1963K series that was not Federal Reserve notes but United States Note that carried NO interest rate paid to the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank). The Mafia (Sam Giancana who used Mafia influence to swing the Union vote in Ill. in exchange for JFK laying off the Mafia) LBJ,(hated the Kennedys and had his own lust for the Presidency) CIA. (Allen Dulles Director of CIA/Failed Bay of Pigs and fired by JFK). Dulles was the chief investigator for the Warren report, imagine that?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  305. Re: Picture of second aircraft hit on towers. The plane is coming from the left. The angular perspective of the tower has the front to back distance reduced by 50% compared to the front. The plane supposedly hitting the second tower has a wingspan dimension shorter than the fuselage. Since the plane is striking perpendicular to the left side of the building it has a perspective similar to the perspective of the building. The front to back of the wingtips should show about a 50% reduction to the perspective of the fuselage. If you measure the picture the wingspan shows longer than the fuselage where the should be a 50% reduction by perspective along with the the shortage by actual plane dimensions.

  306. @Z-man

    The telling is in this line; Thus the citizenry has been saved from “a bog of heinously dangerous ideas.” It’s not the “citizenry” that is being saved here it’s someone else, Mos sad.
    But they always save us from ourselves don’t they, but in doing so tip their hand?

  307. In the same way they used the term “Nigger-lover” to demean and marginalize those who fought for civil rights, leftists and other swamp rats use terms like “Truther” to demean and marginalize an opinion without addressing the facts undergirding that opionion that the official narrative on the 9-11 attacks is incoherent.

    • Agree: Niebelheim
  308. Miro23 says:
    @Trinity

    In the year 2021, anyone who believes the “official narrative” of 9-11 has to be a complete moron.

    That should be true, but taking for example the Daily Mail (the UK’s biggest circulation daily) recent web article on 9/11 – at least 95% of the public (from the comments) believe the official account and want vengeance on the “Arab Terrorists”. They’re not morons, it’s just that all their media sources have been lying to them for the last 20 years and they have no access to contrary information.

    This won’t change until a simple to follow true explanation arrives on prime time UK TV and is repeated and explained with videos and witnesses.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  309. Dube says:
    @AKAHorace

    But it is no secret that a lot of Muslim terrorists are as brave as they are cruel.

    Dancer Kurzberg was specific: “The Palestinians are the problem.”

  310. @JohnnyGodYilmaz

    Another troublesome oddity about 9/11 that’s not discussed much is connected to Silverstein’s “pull it.” Well, I understand “there’s already been so much loss of life” what else could be done with the totally emptied building except “pull it?”

    It was “necessary” to pull it because it would have cost too much to repair it and remove the asbestos.

    Another troublesome oddity about 9/11 that’s not discussed much is connected to Silverstein’s “pull it.” Well, I understand “there’s already been so much loss of life” what else could be done with the totally emptied building except “pull it?”

    WTC6 had a big round hole in its middle that can be explained only with explosives.

    https://www.vrijewereld.org/2016/08/28/de-krater-in-wtc-6-11-september-2001/

    Use an online translator (Dutch)

  311. @AKAHorace

    Simple minds see evil nowhere. Congratulations.

    By the way, ignorance is never an argument. If you cannot see a difference between JFK and LBJ…

    You could start with JFK discourse at the American University on 10 June 1963.

    You could also how JFK was greeted in Dallas as a commie.

  312. W says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Red herrings anyway. The towers exploded. Weakened steal doesn’t fly all over Manhattan. Weakened steal doesn’t destroy concrete in mid air.

    Dawson doesn’t have empirical or even a logical case for progressive collapse theory.

  313. skrik says:
    @Dube

    You could try this:

    https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/v/6/p/e/v6pec.caa.mp4?u=0&b=0

    r-click the URL, choose ‘save link as’ rgds

    • Replies: @Dube
  314. Dube says:
    @skrik

    Perfect! And here it is, the link to: The Key to Understanding Video Compositing, with explanation of the Nose Out emergence of the airplane image, apparently through the Tower.

    https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/v/6/p/e/v6pec.caa.mp4?u=0&b=0

    Circulate!

  315. Ryan2 says:
    @AKAHorace

    I can accept the official story (a bunch of strip club going/devout Muslim/non-pilots manage to crash a couple jet airliners into the twin towers) to a certain extent.
    But both towers crumbling to dust into their own footprint and another building doing the same despite being hit by no plane?
    I think something got fucked up.

  316. @Miro23

    No-in the main Daily Mail readers ARE morons.

  317. @The Usual Suspect

    You left out the Zionazis. The Federal Reserve-all but one of the collective are private, Jewish controlled, banks, and are the absolute bedrock of Jewish economic power in the USA. Veto on the Israeli A-bomb operation. I have a feeling that the Zionazis planned his death, but seeing the CIA/Mafia/Rightist plan so far advanced, sat back and watched.

  318. @Commentator Mike

    It looks more likely to me that the Taliban are now US allies, and will be used against China, against the BRI and against Iran. Those eight billions of armaments will come in handy.

  319. @Trinity

    Yes.

    Journalists are conservatives.

    This statement is risible. Utterly stupid for its utter lack of attachment to reality.

  320. @Niebelheim

    “Atta passport”

    A few small points should be made about that. It certainly is an astonishing event in itself, but not at all unprecedented. Remember the Columbia shuttle disaster on February 1, 2003?

    http://www.space.com/19538-columbia-shuttle-disaster-worms-survive.html

    “NASA scientists expected that the 80 science experiments aboard the shuttle were destroyed as well. But .. that wasn’t the case. Various salvageable experiments were recovered .. including a live group of 1 millimeter-long roundworms, or nematodes… No one expected that the nematodes could survive the intense heat of re-entry…”

    That’s probably more amazing than the Atta passport story. But in any case the evidence around Atta is not based upon any passport anywhere. Pick up Terry McDermott, Perfect Soldiers, for actual information about Atta. Maybe Atta was being used from behind the scenes. But the passport is not the basis for any evidence for or against him either way.

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