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The Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic of 2019-20 is moving many markers where life merges into death, where truth merges into lies. At age 34, Dr. Li Wenliang drew attention in Wuhan to these moving markers. The disease Dr. Li sought to warn against ended up taking his life as the epidemic gained fatal traction.

Before going down himself in the line of duty, Dr. Li faced a harsh reprimand from representatives of the Chinese Communist Party. Dr. Li was accused of spreading rumors and illegally threatening the social order with his tweets and posts and personal interventions. Nevertheless, Dr. Li was soon vindicated in calling attention to the coming plague.

It did not take long before the appalling force of the illness demonstrated that Dr. Li was anything but a wayward conspiracy theorist. Instead, the evidence proved him right even as it proved his powerful detractors were both wrong and negligent in the face of a genuine menace.

Dr. Li Wenliang is a martyr. It remains to be seen, however, how far the shadow of Dr. Li’s martyrdom will be cast.

The Novel Coronavirus, COVID-19, is cutting a broad and deep swath though epidemiological history with uncertain impact on the viability of many families, communities, institutions, economies, and even countries starting with the most heavily populated nation on earth. Many fates are hanging in the balance, not the least of which is that of the communist government that has ruled China since the Maoist Revolution brought it to power in 1949.

The new strain of Coronavirus has added novel genetic features to the same family of pathogens that brought the world the SARS crisis in 2002-3 and, a decade later, the less lethal MERS outbreak. This Novel Coronavirus strain, COVID-19, is showing itself to be much more contagious and lethal than was SARS and MERS.

Some have anticipated that, if not dramatically countered, the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic could be headed in the direction of the Spanish flu outbreak of 1918. This prediction flows from the assessment of, for instance, Prof. Gabriel Leung, Chair of Public Health Medicine at Hong King University. Looking at the very fast rate of COVID-19’s spread from human to human through the air, Dr. Leung challenged any residual sense of complacency. He anticipated a possible 60 per cent infection rate of the world’s entire population with deaths numbering in the many tens of millions.

The so-called Spanish flu has set the bar for how severe and widespread a contagious plague can become. The pandemic of 1918 took more lives in one year than all deaths due to World War II. The Spanish flu of 1918 engendered more mortality in one year than the four peak years of the notorious Black Death Bubonic Plague that decimated Europe in the middle years of the fourteenth century. The worldwide pandemic of 1918 infected over a quarter of all people on earth. About 65 million people died from the illness.

News reports from the ground zero area of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic demonstrate that the effects of the viral infection cut far and wide. Every facet of Chinese society is being challenged to the limit by a fast-spreading plague disseminating germs of destruction disrupting many biological, political, economic, and knowledge systems simultaneously.

Questions about how to interpret the epidemic and how to explain to the public what is known or not known are quickly coming into focus. Who should be believed? Who is credible and who is not credible as the epidemic unfolds. What should be the role of social media and of whistle blowers in the process of deciding how to respond? What happens when genuine whistle blowers like Dr. Li are too quickly dismissed and reprimanded by ruling authorities as “conspiracy theorists”?

An essential task that must be faced in this initial phase of this crisis is to develop an accurate explanation of where contagion came from and how the first victims of the Novel Coronavirus came to be infected. The need for some degree of certainty about the origins of the virus and its subsequent genesis is absolutely essential to the development of sound and appropriate responses. It would be highly irresponsible to rush ahead with the development of an overall strategy for dealing with the plague without making an honest attempt to get at the truth of how the contagion first came into existence.

The importance of getting to the factual roots of what happened to put humanity on this epidemiological trajectory should be especially clear after the debacle of September 11, 2001. Without any sustained investigation of the 9/11 crimes, Americans were rushed into cycles of seemingly perpetual warfare abroad, police state and surveillance state interventions at home. This cycle of fast responses began within a month of 9/11 with a full-fledge military invasion of Afghanistan, an invasion that continues yet.

When two US Senators, Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle, sought to slow the rush of the US executive into emergency measures and war, they and the US Congress they served were hit hard by a military grade bioweapon, anthrax. The violent tactic of the saboteurs proved effective in easing aside close scrutiny that might have slowed down the fast approval by the end of October of Congress’s massive Patriot Act.

Since then a seemingly endless cycle of military invasions has been pushed forward in the Middle East and Eurasia. The emergency measure powers claimed by the executive branch of the US government extended to widespread illegal torture, domestic spying, media censorship and a meteoric rise in extrajudicial murders especially by drones. This list is far from complete.

All of these crimes against humanity were justified on the basis of an unproven official explanation of 9/11. Subsequent scholarly investigations have demonstrated unequivocally for the attentive that officialdom’s explanations of what transpired on the fateful day in September were wrong, severely wrong. The initial interpretations are strongly at variance with the evidentiary record available on the public record.

We must not allow ourselves to be hoodwinked in the same manner once again. The stakes are too large, maybe even larger than was the case in 2001. The misinterpreted and misrepresented events of 9/11 were exploited in conformity with the “Shock Doctrine,” a strategy for instituting litanies of invasive state actions that the public would not otherwise have accepted.

The conscientious portion of humanity, many of whose members have done independent homework of their own on the events of 9/11, will well understand the importance of identifying the actual originating source of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic.

No less than in the wake of the 9/11 debacle, there are grave dangers entailed in being too quick or too naïve or too trustful in immediately accepting as gospel fact the Chinese government’s initial explanations of the COVID-19 outbreak. Why not take the time to investigate and test the current interpretations of the authorities that proved themselves to be so wrong in their decision to reprimand Dr. Li?

Especially when the stakes are extremely high, the need is great for objective, third-party adjudication to establish what really happened irrespective of official interpretations. History provides abundant evidence to demonstrate that official interpretations of transformative events often veer away from the truth in order to serve and protect the interests of entrenched power.

All semblance of due process and the rule of law can quickly evaporate when powerful institutions advance interpretations of catastrophic events used to justify their own open-ended invocation of unlimited emergency measure powers. The well-documented examples of the misrepresentation and exploitation of the 9/11 debacle demonstrate well the severity of the current danger. The origins of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic have yet to be adequately addressed and explained by a panel of genuinely independent investigators.

The Chinese Ambassador to the United States, Cui Tiankai, acknowledged on Feb. 9 on CBS’s Face the Nation that there is no certainty about the origins of COVID-19. When asked by CBS’s Margaret Brennan where the virus came from, the Chinese Ambassador responded, “We still don’t know yet.”

Although media giants like the Washington Post have run interference to justify the claims of established authority in this fiasco, there is still a high level of uncertainty about what COVID-19 is, where it came from, and why it spread so quickly. What factors resulted in the genetic modifications determining the biological structure of the new Coronavirus strain? What happened in the biological journey from the SARS Coronavirus to the Coronavirus strain that triggered the epidemiological bombshell starting in Wuhan?

Did the Chinese communist government have a role in creating COVID-19 either purposely or inadvertently? What did the Chinese government know when did its leadership know it? Such basic questions have yet to be objectively considered by a panel of genuinely independent experts not beholden to any centers of established authority, funding, publicity and political networking.

The need to transcend all conflict of interest in the formal investigation of this matter must somehow be realized if objectivity is to prevail in the process of unearthing, organizing and assessing the evidence. The primary objective of this process must be to bring out the truth, no matter how embarrassing such illuminations might be to the interests of entrenched power. A process must be initiated without any pandering to the political biases of institutions and individuals with much to protect, with major interests in determining the outcome of the investigations.

One version of events is that the contagion began when some mutated viral disease strain jumped from a bat or a snake into the biological workings of one of more humans. This animal to human leap is supposed to have taken place in the precincts of Wuhan’s open-air traditional food market where bats, snakes, cats, raccoons, fish, possums and the like can be bought and sold.

A growing perception of disbelief is developing in the face of the idea that all this mayhem started with a few people chomping down on some fatally infected critters purchased an open-air market. In fact, this explanation is becoming the subject of much satire and ridicule even as the horrifying nature of the unfolding of events is intensifying.

Another possible source of the contagion is the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, one of China’s most high-tech installations designed for biological research into the most deadly forms of viruses known to humankind. This research facility, with top level 4 containment capacities, emerged from the expansion and elaboration of an older agency known as the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory
Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory

As shall be demonstrated, the Wuhan Institute of Virology is thought by some experts, including a prestigious group at the South China Technological University in Guangzhou, to be the probable source of the contaminant. As shall be demonstrated below, the Wuhan Institute of Virology and its outgrowth, The National Biosafety Laboratory, are thought by some to be integrated with more secretive sites where the military operations of China’s alleged biological warfare program are centered.

A focus on the kind of procedures that take place at the Wuhan Institute of Virology begs the question of whether an accidental viral escape from this agency forms the primary origin of the epidemic. Another possibility is that some sort of power play within China’s ruling elite might have led to the decision to create and release a bioweapon in the heart of one of the most heavily populated zones on earth.

Yet another possibility is that the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic is part of some agenda of “hybrid warfare” by the US government against China. Speculation surrounding this scenario emphasizes that hundreds of US soldiers were in Wuhan in late October of 2019 for the World Military Games.

As Mark Episkopos has argued in The National Interest, the theory that the US government is behind the spread of the COVID-19 Coronavirus has been well reported in some mainstream media venues in Russia. This “rumor” is also one that Chinese Ambassador to the United States, Cui Tiankai, specifically referred on CBS’s Face the Nation when he fended off the allegation that China’s biological warfare program was somehow implicated in the epidemic’s origins.

One of those interviewed on the subject is Igor Nikulin. Mr Nikulin has argued, “Wuhan was chosen for the attack [by US military officials] because the local presence of the Wuhun Institute of Virology offers the Pentagon and CIA a convenient cover story about bio-experiments gone awry.”

If it turns out the source of the Novel Coronavirus epidemic is a biological warfare weapon, yet another question concerns whether the attack germ is genetically engineered to target a specific ethnic group. Drawing on his observations of US biological research in some of the former republics of the Soviet Union, Nikulin remarked,

the supposedly Pentagon-funded U.S. laboratories in Eurasia have been collecting and treating genetic material from Russian and Chinese populations to allegedly create an “ethnically specific” virus that only targets certain peoples.

Episkopos adds that Nikulin’s observation are consistent with the position of Russian military expert, Viktor Baranets. Baranets has affirmed that biological warfare has become a new weapon “in the American fight for global supremacy against its main adversaries.” There is much evidence to indicate that one of the main thrusts of genetic research in biological warfare has long involved efforts to target specific ethnic groups for sickness and death. There are obvious reasons why those engaged in the development of biological weaponry would want to narrow their aim to envisaged enemies rather than breed germs to kill indiscriminately all humans in their path whether friend or foe.

Lance Welton covers some supposedly unmentionable yet nevertheless contested topics in an article entitled, “Asians Far More Susceptible to Coronavirus Than Other Races, More Likely to Die.”

Welton leaves aside the question of why it is that the COVID-19 seems to pack a much more virulent and lethal punch when it comes to the targeting of people sharing Chinese-Asian ancestry. The other side of the same coin is people of predominately European ancestry seem statistically to be much less at risk when it comes to succumbing to the epidemiological force of COVID-19.

Welton has observed how difficult it is has become in the Occident even to raise issues publicly concerning the different vulnerabilities of different ethnic groups to certain diseases. He cites anecdotal evidence that, so far at least, all the deaths outside China have mostly taken the lives of ethnic Chinese people. From this observation Welton concludes that racial characteristics are a significant factor in determining vulnerability to COVID-19-inflicted disease.

The fact that this subject is being so assiduously ignored by those engaged in the quest for political correctness leads Welton to comment,

“It only goes to show how pathological our taboo on “race” has become. Race denial is so strong that possible race differences in the incidence of a disease cannot be mentioned, or even suggested.”

Establishing New Domains of Hybrid Warfare

The Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic of 2020 is causing the once-firm ground beneath many established institutions to shake uncontrollably. One of those institutions, the Chinese communist government, is encountering its Chernobyl moment.

There are many consequences and implications of the epidemic that are already extending beyond China to the whole world. The epidemic is having significant implications for, for instance, the state of the Chinese and global economy, the future of the transportation industry, the future of tourism, the conditions of international relations, the state of censorship, the interaction between academic and military research, as well as the ongoing breakdown of trust in government. This list is far from complete.

The remainder of this 6 part essay highlights the implications of the COVID-19 crisis for communicative interactions, especially in the public sphere. The issues to be addressed extend across social media and mainstream media. They touch on public education and different conceptions of the public interest.

The analysis of the breakdown in public health raises questions about law enforcement. It raises related questions about the governance of professional associations, academic institutions as well as the public and private agencies with significant responsibilities in the arenas of certification and scientific publication.

One of the primary areas of professional contention arising from the COVID-19 crisis involves the close connections between biological research aimed at finding preventions and cures for diseases and research aimed at creating biological weapons. Biological weapons can be designed with the goal of bringing about indiscriminate mass murder. They can also be used to bring about the targeted murder of specific human populations sharing common genetic attributes.

Gradually a portion of the public is becoming aware that a conflict of interests exists between the military and public health applications of the microbiology field within the so-called life sciences. How many practitioners of the so-called life sciences are really devoting themselves to the death sciences? The public has reason to question, for instance, the procedures involved in the production of vaccines by an industry with one foot in the health care field and another foot in military research.

Why should the public not fear that some practitioners in the field of microbiology might confuse their dual responsibilities in projects aimed at both saving and killing people? What is to be said of the development of vaccines, in some cases by the same people involved in genetically engineering the very diseases that vaccines are meant to protect against?

Similarly, why should the public trust that we are being well served by systems of research primarily driven by the quest for lucrative patents to enrich their owners? Why shouldn’t the public suspect that we are being used as guinea pigs in experiments on human beings that continue to be perpetuated in the course of applied medical research regardless of the prohibitions that have been enacted? Did the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic begin as an experiment on human subjects that got out of control?

How many times can the public trust be betrayed before the habit ceases of giving possible professional offenders, including those in white lab coats, the benefit of the doubt? Where does the protection of the public interest and the common good fit into this complex and internally contradictory picture?

Where is there genuine accountability to a public required to support with our tax dollars scientific research that can result in both good and bad outcomes? Why does the financial return on this public investment so often end up in corporate and private hands whereas the liabilities and collateral damages accrued are expected to be absorbed by the public?

The fact that ground zero of the Novel Coronavirus is Wuhan, home of China’s newest and most sophisticated microbiology laboratory, naturally casts a shadow of doubt over narratives minimizing the role of human agency in creating the new strain of Coronavirus. Wuhan’s important role as a major Chinese research center, much of it secret and covert, has to be taken into account. Moreover, Wuhan just happens also to be the medical headquarters of the People’s Liberation Army.

The possible bioweapon was originally labeled 2019-nCoV. Then the UN’s World Health Organization changed the formal name to COVID-19. Is the World Health Organization a PR adjunct of Big Pharma? How tight is the relationship between the WHO and the Chinese Communist Party?

In an era of proliferating genetic engineering, how are governments and their Big Pharma partners dividing up the field of microbiology? How are they handling the divide between initiatives done in the name of public health and initiatives done to produce biological weapons for national governments including those of the United States, China, and Israel? How are the partners handling the apportionment of new wealth derived from securing patents?

These issues are finding expressions in the many legitimate questions that are coming to light in the course of the Novel Coronavirus emergency. Some of these questions arise because of a history of largely unexplained relations between the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory and the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada (NML). It has been well reported that both institutions share the same top-level 4 certification assigned to containment facilities in research labs where staff can pursue high-level studies of the most dangerous pathogens known to humankind.

Built with French assistance between 2015 and 2017, the Wuhan facility at ground zero of the current epidemic is one of the premier pathogen research facilities in a country that is thought by some to be developing significant capacities for biological warfare. Similarly, the federal research facility in Winnipeg may well have an attending or indirect role in military research to advance capacities for biological warfare in collaboration with Canada’s two main allies, Israel and the United States.

Immunologist and Medical Doctor, Xiangguo Qiu, is the principal professional link at the nexus of relations between the Wuhan and Winnipeg facilities. Until recently Dr. Qiu was the head of the Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies Section of the Special Pathogens Programme of the NML. The NML in Winnipeg is administered by Canada’s federal Public Health Agency.

Qiu Xiangguo was one of the first scientists to develop a treatment for Ebola. Credit: Handout
Qiu Xiangguo was one of the first scientists to develop a treatment for Ebola. Credit: Handout

Dr. Qiu received her medical degree in China. In 1996 she moved from the Taijin area of China to the United States while already being subsidized as participant in China’s Thousand Talents Program. She soon moved to Canada from the US continuing her graduate work at the University of Manitoba. Dr. Qiu continued her professional life in both Canada and China, apparently visiting the Wuhan Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Science at least five times, each for two-week periods in 2017 and 2018. In each case an undisclosed Chinese entity paid her travel expenses.

After 2006 Dr. Qiu’s research specialty became the study of a variety of Ebola wild strains. The most virulent of these strains has an 80% death rate for those that contract the virus. An outbreak of Ebola from 2013 to 2016 took the lives of over 11,000 people in West Africa. Along with Dr. Gary Kobinger, Dr. Qui was said to be instrumental in developing the ZMapp treatment for Ebola using a cocktail of antibodies. In 2018 the duo received an Innovation Award from the Governor General of Canada for developing treatments for those infected with Ebola virus.

In March of 2019, Dr. Qiu and her research team sent off to China via Air Canada a package of deadly virus strains said to include Ebola and Nipah organisms. The shipment is said to have triggered an unexplained negative response from officials in China. The flagged problem probably involved an alleged failure to follow proper procedures in the transfer of materials that can be used for the manufacturing of bioweapons as well as in the making of vaccines to prevent the spread of infection.

The episode led to the decision of Canada’s Public Health Agency to call in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) to investigate. This investigation was directed at Dr. Qiu and her husband, Cheng Keding, who is also an acknowledged expert in the field of virology.

Chinese bacterial thief Xiangguo Qiu and her husband Chen Keding
Chinese bacterial thief Xiangguo Qiu and her husband Chen Keding

As a result of these developments an episode occurred that was reported on July 14 by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, CBC. In her CBC article, Karen Pauls reported,

A researcher with ties to China was recently escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what’s being described as a possible “policy breach.” Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada’s only level-4 lab on July 5.

The CBC acted pretty much as a stenographer of official sources whose clear mission was to keep a lid on the potentially explosive story. The story would become even more explosive with the inception in December of 2019 of the Coronavirus crisis in China. Rather than trying to go around the official platitudes by engaging in some independent sleuthing known as investigative journalism, CBC did what most mainstream venues do these days. CBC acted as a xerox machine to relay the tepid pronouncements of a timid and ill-guided bureaucracy.

Paul cited, for instance, an official in Canada’s Public Health Agency referring to the removal of Dr. Qiu, her husband and her research team as an “administrative matter” that will be “resolved expeditiously.” Several officials including a RCMP spokesman, indicated, “There is no threat to public safety at this time.”

A federal media relations officer continued the effort of deflection by trying to make a really unusual, complex and many-faceted story seem unremarkable. The commentator affirmed, “the work of the NML continues in support of the health and safety of all Canadians.” Leah West, an International Affairs Professor at Carlton University of Ottawa, went as far as venturing that “national security” issues might be involved. This statement calls for explanations that Canadian reporters have so far not seriously attempted.

Lt. Colonel Dr. Dany Shoham is one of the most attentive figures outside Canada who responded especially quickly and skeptically to the perplexing questions raised by Dr. Qiu’s activities. Dr. Shoham is a reserve member of the IDF. He continues his military responsibilities in the fields of biological and chemical warfare as a senior researcher in the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies in Israel.

Dr. Dany Shoham. Credit: Wiki/ Shalom magazine
Dr. Dany Shoham. Credit: Wiki/ Shalom magazine

In 2014 Dr. Shoham was a visiting scholar at the New Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis (IDSA). There he collaborated professionally with the IDSA’s Deputy Director, Brigadier Rumel Dahiya. Dr. Shoham devoted much of his time in India to studying what he refers to as China’s Biological Warfare Programme.

Dr. Shoham published his findings in 2015 in an “integrative study” where he commented at significant length on the makeup and structure of China’s secretive military R and D initiatives in the alleged development of bioweapons. He maintains that these secretive military operations have been blended into the operations of “ostensibly civilian facilities” where public health initiatives in disease prevention and treatment are often highlighted

Dr. Shoham notes that the government of China became a signatory in 1984 to UN’s Biological Weapons Convention of 1972. The Israeli academic alleges, however, that China, a target of US biological war in the Korean War in the early 1950s, opted to secretly retain some continuing capacities in this military field.

Dr. Shoham has cast himself as an insistent whistle blower calling attention to the provocative circumstances attending the shipment from Canada to China of virulent pathogens. Dr. Shoham indicated that Dr. Qiu’s research has been conducted not only on behalf of the governments of Canada and China. Dr. Qui has also collaborated with three scientists from the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Maryland. Much of her success, however, is connected to her obtaining many grants from China, all on the “national level.”

In the July-December 2019 issue of the IDSA Journal, Dr. Shoman explained.

But the collateral Chinese plexus cannot be ignored. Married to a Chinese scientist – Dr. Keding Cheng, also affiliated with the NML (specifically the “Science and Technology Core”), and primarily a bacteriologist who shifted to virology – Dr. Qiu frequently visited and maintained tight bonds with China, generally speaking, and many Chinese students joined her works in the NML during the recent decade, coming from a notable range of Chinese scientific facilities. Nonetheless, among the latter there are four facilities that have been regarded to possess parts of the Chinese biological weapons alignment, namely

  • Institute of Military Veterinary, Academy of Military Medical Sciences, Changchun.
  • Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Chengdu Military Region.
  • Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Hubei.
  • Institute of Microbiology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing.

All of the four mentioned facilities collaborated with Dr. Qiu within the context of Ebola virus, yet the Institute of Military Veterinary joined a study on the Rift Valley fever virus, while the Institute of Microbiology joined a study on Marburg virus too. Noticeably, the drug used in the latter study – Favipiravir – has been earlier tested successfully by the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences, with the designation JK-05 (originally a Japanese patent registered in China already in 2006), against Ebola and additional viruses.

However, the studies by Dr. Qiu are considerably more advanced and fruitful, in certain aspects. They are apparently vital for the Chinese biological weapons developing, in case Ebola, Nipah, Marburg or Rift Valley fever viruses are included therein, which is a plausible postulation; let alone the wild type viruses in themselves. And it is of note that only Nipah virus is naturally found in China or neighboring countries. Collectively, then, the interface between Dr. Qiu and China has a priori been highly suspicious. On top of it, the shipment of the two viruses from NML to China apparently generated an alarm, beyond its seeming inappropriateness. And an unavoidable question is whether previous shipments to China of other viruses or other essential preparations, took place from 2006 to 2018, one way or another.

It has not gone unnoticed that this episode at the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg may be intertwined with the mounting diplomatic tension between the governments of Canada and China. The controversy is unfolding in a way that adds new uncertainty to the controversy instigated in December of 2018 with the Canadian government’s decision to arrest, detain and put on trial the Huawei cell phone company’s executive, Meng Wanzhou. Many have questioned the dubious nature of the decision to arrest the Huawei official in Vancouver for allegedly violating US law pertaining to sanctions against Iran.

The future role of the Huawei system for 5G wireless communications, a frightening and largely untested public health hazard in its own right, has emerged as a core issue in the conflict between the United States and China. To conceive of this conflict as a trade war alone is to underestimate the full scope of the antagonisms. These antagonisms over the future of wireless communications extend, for instance, far into the shape and form of future international espionage. Since the era began nearly 20 years ago of the 9/11 psychological operation, much international espionage has taken place by means of backdoor spying on digital flows of information. Israel has become especially closely identified with this type of digital spying throughout the Internet.

The Chinese strategy for achieving traction in this competitive milieu is to apply breakthroughs in digital computation and communications. The strategy is to integrate innovations in Artificial Intelligence, AI, with cutting edge developments in biotechnology. This methodology is understood by some Chinese students of geopolitics as integral to the military process of “preparing a new domain for warfare.”

In this digital and biological theatre of rivalry, the new gene splicing capacities of CRISPR technology constitute a formidable new tool for major and irreversible interventions into life’s most fundamental cycles of death and renewal. The ability to alter the genetic makeup of organisms, including human organisms, is thereby becoming a key facet in establishing new domains for warfare, including various forms of hybrid warfare.

More elements in China’s geopolitical strategy have come to light as the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic gathers momentum especially in the ground zero region. The decision of Canadian federal officials, including federal police, to intervene by removing Dr. Qiu and her research team from the NML was to some extent mirrored in the United States.

In January of 2020 police in the United States arrested Prof. Charles Lieber, Chairman of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department. Dr. Lieber has been placed on indefinite administrative leave and charged under US criminal law with lying to officials in the Defense Department and in the National Institutes of Health. These agencies funded Dr. Lieber’s research at Harvard in the field of nanoscience to the tune of $15,000,000 in grants.

Prof. Charles Lieber, former Chairman of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department
Prof. Charles Lieber, former Chairman of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department

Dr. Lieber is alleged to have misled federal officials and Harvard officials about the extent of his contractual relations with several Chinese entities including, most prominently, the Wuhan Technological University. Among the allegations pointed his way are those that accuse Dr. Lieber of failing to reveal his participation in China’s controversial Thousand Talents program.

According to the FBI, “China’s talent recruitment plans, such as the Thousand Talents Program, offer competitive salaries, state-of-the-art research facilities, and honorific titles, luring both Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts alike to bring their knowledge and experience to China, even if that means stealing proprietary information or violating export controls to do so.” The Chinese-Canadian researcher, Dr. Qiu, is reported to be, like Harvard’s Dr. Lieber, a participant in China’s Thousand Talents program.

In its report on the case, Bloomberg News described the work at Dr. Lieber’s Harvard lab as being dependent on “a pipeline of China’s brightest Ph.D. students and postdocs, often more than a dozen at a time, to produce prize-winning research.”

The North American research activities of Dr. Lieber and Dr. Qui seem to have been similarly dependent on China’s financial backing, collaboration and constant supply of promising young practitioners of scientific research. Both Dr. Lieber and Dr. Qiu clearly ran into a major sea change in the conditions of their work with major ramifications for the conduct of national security, international relations, law enforcement and academic governance.

No doubt administrators have been sent reeling behind-the-scenes at Harvard University, at the University of Manitoba and at institutions of higher learning throughout the world. These institutions depend heavily on international networks of academic collaboration. Suddenly the viability of many of these academic networks has been called into question though interventions by the criminal justice system in Canada and the United States.

Indeed, the sudden global spotlight on anything that might help shed light on the still-shady background of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic must be given its due. The startling developments associated with a major plague quite possibly cultivated in stages in both test tubes and animal hosts calls into question many things. It calls for explanations about the role of many corporations, government agencies and philanthropic foundations. The rules seem to be changing fast for entities that regularly sponsor scholarly research even as they participate in the process of applying research findings to technological innovations.

The arrest of Dr. Lieber followed the arrest in mid-December of 20019 of Zaosong Zheng at Logan International Airport in Boston for trying to smuggle to Beijing 21 vials of biological material. The vials were taken from Harvard University’s Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre where Zaosong Zheng was a visiting graduate student in pathology.

Commenting on his ongoing investigation of the case, Assistant U.S. Attorney, Benjamin Tolkoff remarked, “Zeng’s theft and attempt to smuggle biological specimens out of the U.S. was not an isolated incident. Rather it appears to have been a coordinated crime, with likely involvement by the Chinese government.”

Ideology and Investigative Journalism

A tight set of right-wing activists and agencies with deep-rooted antipathies to Chinese communism have provided a particular genre of criticism in the course of the current debacle. These agencies include Radio Free Asia, a former CIA-backed outlet now governed by a federally-funded Board of Governors answerable directly to the current Secretary of State and former CIA Director, Mike Pompeo. The criticisms of Radio Free Asia have been integrated into a matrix of criticism of the Chinese government highlighted especially in the Washington Times and The Epoch Times.

The Epoch Times emerges from an international group of newspapers published in several languages. It has a strong focus on China and on Chinese people globally. The Epoch Times was founded in 2000 by John Tang with a group of Chinese Americans associated with Falun Gong.

The Falun Gong organization is in the grips of an antagonistic relationship with the Chinese Communist Party. Falun Gong combines Taoism, Buddhism and meditation. It became so independently influential in China that in 1999 the Communist government declared it a heretical organization. The antagonism between Falun Gong and the Chinese government quite likely involves covert infiltration by the US CIA and related US agencies.

Whatever is happening behind the scenes, The Epoch Times has been running an unrelenting critique of the Chinese government’s handling of the Novel Coronavirus crisis. The journalistic coverage of the crisis is often been incisive and bold. The consistent message is that the Chinese government is not reporting on the epidemic honestly. Nor is The Epoch Times holding back from criticizing the Chinese government for secretly engaging in the violent repression of Chinese citizens especially in the most hard-hit regions.

Some managers of the dominant cartels’ media thought police try to ridicule and harass those publicly posing essential questions. The Epoch Times, however, has no hesitation in asking, “Is the Coronavirus a Bioweapon?” In explaining the position of those opposed to open debate on the geopolitics of biological warfare, The Epoch Times Steven W. Mosher has commented, “Much ink has been spilled by The Washington Post and other mainstream media outlets to try to convince us that the deadly coronavirus is a product of nature rather than nefariousness, and that anyone who says otherwise is an unhinged conspiracy theorist.”

Like The Epoch Times, the Washington Times is rooted in the politics of anti-communism. One of the primary journalists at the venue is the national security correspondent, Bill Gertz. Gertz is a career China expert who is sometimes invited to lecture for the FBI and CIA.

The Washington Times grew out of the controversial career of the Korean-American, Sun Myung Moon. Moon is founder of the Unification Church sometimes dubbed “the Moonies” by its detractors. The Washington Examiner is also known for its related right-wing orientation to news coverage. One of the lead authorities frequently highlighted in the output of this genre of anti-communist reporting is Dr. Dany Shoham. Recall that Dr. Shoham was one of the most insistent critics of the Wuhan-Winnipeg axis revealed in the summer of 2019.

Rev. Sun Myung Moon speaking in Las Vegas, NV, USA on April 4, 2010
Rev. Sun Myung Moon speaking in Las Vegas, NV, USA on April 4, 2010

Dr. Shoham was quoted, for instance, in the 26 January edition of the Washington Times asserting “Certain laboratories in the [Wuhan Institute of Virology] have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese Biological Weapons alignment.”

Elsewhere Dr. Shoham, who is sometimes described as “a former Israel intelligence officer,” asserted his understanding that “China had intentionally leaked the new coronavirus from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”

Tom Cotton, Republican Party Senator for Arkansas, has emerged as another significant voice criticizing the role of the Chinese government in the Novel Coronavirus epidemic. In introducing the Senator’s position to its readership, Newsweek reported on 16 February, “Republican Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas on Sunday accused China of lying about the severity of the coronavirus outbreak and suggested that the new disease may have originated from a biosafety super laboratory in Wuhan.”

Senator Cotton has praised US President Donald Trump for his decision to temporarily cancel flights between China and USA. This cancellation, however, was seemingly contradicted by records revealing the continuation of much air traffic between China and USA in spite of the presidential pronouncement.

Senator Cotton referred to evidence pointing to the fact that some of the early victims of the disease had no contact whatsoever with the Wuhan open-air food market. The deadly virus, Senator Cotton insists, “went into the food market before it came out.”

Senator Cotton has unwaveringly underlined his contention that the Chinese authorities have from its inception withheld the truth about the crisis. According to the Senator, Chinese officials have been especially deceptive about the extent of the illnesses and mortality. “They’re still lying today,” he was reported as telling Newsweek. The young Arkansas politician has insisted on the need for some kind of reckoning on the part of the Chinese government leading to a full and proper investigation with full disclosure.

Newsweek’s interpretive angle is similar to that of other media survivors of the Mockingbird era of US propaganda. Most Big Media venues including Newsweek employed writers and editors who happily accepted extra money from the CIA to tell the US government’s side of the story during the Cold War.

The common denominator in much of the dinosaur-style of reporting that characterizes a discredited old guard is to describe any interpretation that challenges established conventions and interests as “conspiracy theories.” As Lance DeHaven-Smith has demonstrated in his book of the same name, the CIA led the way in the conceptual tweeking of the term, “conspiracy theories,” with the goal of discrediting interpretations considered menacing to established interests.

Again and again the media conglomerates most deeply integrated into dominant matrixes of power deploy the weaponized terminology with the goal of limiting public discourse. They invoke the boogeyman of “conspiracy theories” as a meme to flippantly discredit skeptical journalism questioning the honesty of official sources.

Newsweek reported,

Cotton’s remarks came amid the proliferation of various conspiracy theories surrounding coronavirus’ origins, one of which suggests it may have come from a laboratory tied to Beijing’s biowarfare program. In response, Facebook and other social media platforms have cracked down on the reach of posts that perpetuate these unsubstantiated allegations.

There is much irony in Newsweek’s supportive account of Facebook’s intervention aimed at blocking open exchange on a major undecided topic. The irony occurs because of the propensity of some MSM venues to condemn the Chinese government for their imposition of censorship including the blocking of their critics on social media.

The heavy-handed crackdown in the Occident on the increasingly vandalized domain of violated free expression on the Internet is quite comparable to communist crackdowns on dissident news and views especially during the peak of the Cold War.

The US claim to be the heartland of the “free world” has long since become ludicrous in the extreme given many factors including the ailing superpower’s generation of an unrelenting flood of power-serving disinformation. Part of this agenda is to control the narrative no matter how deceptive. It is to engage in digital vandalism aimed at discrediting or altogether silencing dissident voices on the Internet.

One of the targets of Internet censorship on the Wuhan Coronavirus story is the web site, Zero Hedge. Zero Hedge was permanently deplatformed by the corporate censors at Twitter for reporting on interpretations that might be characterized as consistent with Senator Cotton’s skeptical critique of officialspeak on many aspects of the current Coronavirus debacle. One of the thought police agencies behind the attack Zero Hedge is the Internet venue, BuzzFeed News.

Twitter’s decision to deplatform Zero Hedge came in the wake of its 29 January post that included the following comments by Tyler Durden:

..the official theory for the spread of the Coronavirus epidemic, namely because someone ate bat soup at a Wuhan seafood and animal market… … is a fabricated farce, and that the real reason behind the viral spread [of the disease] is because a weaponized version of the coronavirus (one which may have originally been obtained from Canada), was released by Wuhan’s Institute of Virology (accidentally or not), a top, level-4 biohazard lab which was studying “the world’s most dangerous pathogens.”

The Military-Medical-Propaganda Complex and COVID-19

India, and especially India’s capital of New Delhi, have been important bases where challenging interpretations of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic have been formulated and distributed. In some circles in India there is a high level of attentiveness and concern about China’s interest in biological warfare. This concern was expressed in Tehelka, an important English-language publication based in New Delhi.

Tehelka reported on 18 Feb. that

China’s national strategy of military-civil fusion has highlighted biology as a priority, and the People’s Liberation Army – PLA could be at the forefront of expanding and exploiting this knowledge… China’s Biological Warfare Programme is believed to be in an advanced stage that includes research and development, production and weaponization capabilities. Its current inventory is believed to include the full range of traditional chemical and biological agents with a wide variety of delivery systems including artillery rockets, aerial bombs, sprayers, and short-range ballistic missiles.

As we have seen, New Delhi’s Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis hosted Dr. Shoham during a study leave in 2014. During his time in India, the Israeli intelligence officer devoted his study leave with the approval of his Indian hosts to investigating China’s alleged biological warfare program.

Not surprisingly, Indian scientists were especially fast off the mark in trying to understand the nature of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic. Some in India well remember that the Chinese government was slow in releasing information on the SARS infection of 2002-3. Some, including Dr. Dany Shoham, believe this delay had to do with the importance of SARS in the Chinese program of bioweapon research. Dr. Shoham has maintained that Coronaviruses, but particularly SARS, have been studied in the Wuhan Institute of Viriology. He adds, “SARS is included in the Chinese Bioweapons program, and is dealt with in several pertinent facilities.”

During January of 2020 a team of nine high-level researchers at the University of Delhi’s Kusuma School of Biological Sciences at the Indian Institute of Technology investigated the RNA side of the genetic blueprint of the COVID-19 virus. These Indian researchers collaborated in the analysis of the organism that some have taken to calling the Wuhan supervirus.

The initial findings of the researchers have been published on line in a paper entitled, “Uncanny Similarity of Unique Inserts in the 2019-nCoV Spike Protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag.” At the time of writing this essay, the University of Delhi’s much-smeared contribution to COVID-19 research continues to be available on the line even though it is still making its way through the process of peer review with possible future revisions.

The main finding of the study so far is that the genetic structure of the virus has “4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV [COVID-19] and are not present in other coronaviruses.” These “4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag.” This finding “sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus.”

The authors of the paper find that the genetic inserts into the virus “have identity/similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1.” These characteristics are “unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.” This key phrase indicates that in the opinion of the researchers the presence of HIV genes in COVID-19 was not the result of some process of random mutation in nature. Instead, the insertion of the HIV genes into the new coronavirus probably took place through an engineered intervention by experts in microbiology.

The finding that HIV genes are integral to the genetic structure of COVID-19 has not been seriously challenged. The fact that HIV treatments are being widely used to ease the symptoms of those suffering the effects of the new infection is highly suggestive. It implies that some of the analysis of the Kusuma School of microbiologists was quickly seized upon and applied in clinical situations.

The main subjects of the controversy that has been generated so far arise mostly from the question of whether or not the insertion of the HIV genes could have occurred without human intervention, without genetic engineering. That issue is bound to attract much scientific attention in the weeks and months ahead.

The work of the Kusuma microbiologists at the University of Delhi has become important in the interpretation of the epidemic advanced by Zero Hedge. The size of the group following Zero Hedge’s coverage of the Coronavirus crisis of 2020 only became larger after the censorious thought police at BuzzFeed and Twitter intervened. The public is not taking well to corporate intervention aimed at dictating what can or cannot be communicated, viewed, considered or debated.

The hysteria aroused by the “Uncanny Resemblance” paper captured the attention of a site called GreatGameIndia. This operation publishes a regular “Journal of Geopolitics and International Relations.” The co-founders and editors of GreatGameIndia, an especially lively and edgy publishing venue, are Raja Sekhar and Shelly Kasli.

The interpretive bent of this venue begins with the surprising observation that the English East India Company was the most influential and large-scale business venture in all of history. According to Raja Sekhar, this history established patterns of Western kleptocracy in Asia that continue to this day.

The publication of GreatGameIndia on the background of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic has attracted positive attention from Tehelka and from many other publications throughout the world. The venue, unfortunately, is not always completely transparent. For instance the names of specific authors of specific essays are sometimes not published.

GreatGameIndia describes itself as “India’s one-of-a kind portal on international affairs providing global intelligence… in a geopolitical and historical framework to better understand international developments and the world around us. Experts in the field of Geopolitics and International Relations, we bring in fresh perspective to the otherwise redundant academic approach. We are read, recommended and published by decision makers, renowned personalities and organisations around the world.”

GreatGameIndia did indeed bring “fresh perspective” in highlighting a possible role for Canada in China’s alleged military program to develop bioweapons. This story was developed in a rapid-fire series of articles, most of which appeared in January and February of 2020. These items brought together intertwined news on the possible roles of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Winnipeg’s National Microbiology Laboratory in the genesis of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic.

This juxtaposition of the two institutions highlights the work of Israeli intelligence expert, Dr. Dany Shoham. It seems he may have had some role in shaping the overall narrative. Dr. Shoham’s oft’ republished essay highlighting the role of Dr. Xiangguo in the Winnipeg-Wuhan axis of biotechnology was republished by GreatGameIndia.

A number of issues are raised by Dr. Shoham’s possible involvement in the genesis of the stories run by GreatGameIndia and by other related venues on the Wuhan Coronavirus crisis. Is Dr. Shoham to be understood as an agent of Israel in the discussions and debates? Is his consistently critical stance on China’s alleged bioweapons program together with his relative silence on similar US programs a significant sign of an Israel-US or an Israel-US-India alignment on this issue?

One could legitimately ask, for instance, if the series of narratives highlighting the Chinese-Canadian connection might have been meant as a diversion? Might such a diversion have been mounted to point attention away from the possibility that a germ warfare attack was covertly mounted in Wuhan by US soldiers taking part in the 7th World Military Games? Over 300 US military personnel took part in this event organized in Wuhan from October18-27, 2019.

In an interview with Jeff Brown, a veteran of US special operations in China, “Uriah Heep,” aka “Metallicman,” has speculated about the possibility that the US government was responsible for a biological attack resulting in the COVID-19 epidemic.

The GreatGameIndia essays are premised on a very harsh picture assessment of the Chinese government’s intentions as directed especially at North America. J. R. Nyquist is the author of the article in GreatGameIndia outlining the historical background of China’s emphasis on biotechnology, including the development of the means to conduct biological warfare.

A version of Nyquist’s GreatGameIndia essay also appeared in the Falun Gong-backed Epoch Times. Nyquist writes frequently for The Epoch Times. Many of his essays emphasize very critical assessments of communism in a variety of contemporary and historical settings.

The heart of the essay introducing readers to the genesis of China’s biological warfare capacities highlights a speech given in 2005 by Chi Hoatian, an important General in the People’s Liberation Army. Between 1993 and 2003 General Chi was also China’s Minister of National Defence. The full text of the speech is available here.

The essence of the presentation is based on the premise that by 2005 China had become severely overpopulated, a problem that entailed a growing degradation of the national environment. The solution to this problem, General Chi decided, was to colonize a portion of the globe as a second China. Chi observed that the region neighboring China was already densely populated. He added, “only countries like the United States, Canada, and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.”

General Chi indicated that is was Deng Xioping who was the most instrumental figure in the decision to build up his country’s arsenal of biological weapons in spite of China’s formal adherence to the Biological Weapons Convention. Deng is best known as the Chinese leader who oversaw the dramatic transformation of the Chinese economy beginning in the 1980s. Said General Chi

When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focused instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country. Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if Americans do not die then Chinese have to die. If the Chinese people remain strapped to the present land, a total societal collapse is bound to take place.

As General Chi saw it, from the Chinese perspective biological weapons have advantages over nuclear weapons. According to his way of seeing things,’ “only by using non-destructive weapons that kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.”

GreatGameIndia did little to explain how average people in China have responded to General Chi’s surprising explanation of a perceived need to colonize a portion of the world for a second China. How seriously were General Chi’s words received in China? How many in China today consider General Chi’s analysis to be still relevant?

The account by GreatGameIndia of the strange viral infection starting in Wuhan depends on some documented evidence mixed in with speculative accounts of things that might have taken place. The essence of the scenario presented to the public is identified by the title of the core essay in the series. Published on 26 January, 2020 this title is “Coronavirus Bioweapon: How China Stole Coronavirus from Canada and Weaponized It.”

This essay was widely republished including by Zero Hedge.

The authors mix sheer conjecture with an evidence-based chronicle of certain events. The aim seems to be to stimulate thinking about what is known to be happening while encouraging concurrently reflections on what might be taking place or what might be about to take place.

Hence the overall nature of the narrative outlined by GreatGameIndia can best be described as an SOS about quickly deteriorating developments containing warnings about possible unseen factors or possible dangers up ahead. The GreatGameIndia project can be conceived, therefore, as a psychological operation meant to shift and enliven public attitudes, behavior and actions. Psychological operations, sometimes innocuously identified as PR campaigns, are very prominent in the media coverage of many events and topics these days.

What is actually known about the condition of Winnipeg’s National Microbiology Laboratory during the period when Dr. Qiu’s team of China’s researchers conducted themselves in ways that led to the removal of their security passes, followed by their physical removal from the facility? Recent media reports in Winnipeg have painted a picture of the breakdown of decorum at the NML. In September of 2019 the Winnipeg Free Press reported,

The lab, known as NML, is a source of pride for its role in creating the Ebola vaccine. It’s one of the few facilities in the world accredited to handle the most deadly pathogens. It officially opened in 1999 to much fanfare, after political wrangling had it ultimately placed in Winnipeg.

Yet numerous people who work there have told the Free Press of a workplace rife with intimidation, alcohol abuse and clashes between officials in Winnipeg and Ottawa, which was partially revealed this summer in an administrative breach that has the RCMP investigating a shipment of dangerous substances to China.

“The sad thing is, they do world-class science, but internally they’re almost self-destructing, in terms of how they treat their employees,” said Todd Panas, national president of the Union of Health and Environment Workers.

“The collateral damage to get that science is pretty remarkable.”

As far as the specifics of the RCMP investigation into the much highlighted shipment of deadly viruses from Winnipeg to China, all that has been reported in MSM is that it may have had something to do with “rules around copyright, patents and published works.”

The reporter, Dylan Robertson, went further, indicating, “multiple sources who spoke with the Free Press on the condition of anonymity, say the shipment lacked an agreement spelling out intellectual property rights, which is critical for protecting scientific research.” According to Robertson, the RCMP still will not say if its investigation is going forward in the organizational realm of either national security, or organized crime, or forensics.”

The GreatGameIndia essays highlight the role of Frank Plummer, a former Scientific Director of the Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory and a leading researcher on HIV-AIDS. Prof. Plummer conducted much of his primary HIV research in Kenya. He focused especially on the heterosexual spread of AIDS in Africa, developing in the process a joint project between the University of Manitoba and the University of Nairobi.

GreatGameIndia included in their lineup of intertwined stories one describing Frank Plummer as the “key to the coronavirus investigation” who “was assassinated in Africa.” There is nothing but conjecture behind the assertion that Dr. Plummer was assassinated. It was widely reported in MSM that Prof. Plummer died quickly of an unexpected heart attack in Nairobi on 4 February of 2020 just as coverage on the Wuhan epidemic was reaching a point of critical mass.

The conjecture of assassination gave the story a contemporary resonance that captured considerable attention. This twist invested the larger narrative with sensationalist connotations. It strongly implied that some malevolent group of saboteurs had eliminated Dr. Plummer so he could not bear witness to what had apparently happened at the NML in Winnipeg to pour oil on the inflamed crisis in China.

No proof is offered that Dr. Plummer did not die of natural causes. The spotlight put on his career by GreatGameIndia, however, does call attention to the rather exotic career of a significant Canadian involved in many original types of genetic study and alteration totally new to medical and military science. The report serves to stimulate reflections on the types of intrigue that would probably arise on a regular basis in Dr. Plummer’s unusual line of work.

The account by GreatGameIndia of the Canadian connection to the Wuhan plague stresses the role of Dr. Plummer in the process that is said to have brought into Winnipeg’s level 4 pathogen lab a particular SARS strain that initially came from Saudi Arabia. Before arriving in Winnipeg, the strain of SARS said to be investigated by Dr. Plummer passed along a chain of custody involving collaboration with colleagues in Jeddah, Egypt and Rotterdam.

We learn from the narrative that the NML has a “long history of offering comprehensive testing services for Coronaviruses”; that it “isolated and provided the first genome sequence of the SARS Coronavirus and identified another Coronavirus as NL63 in 2004.” We learn that the “Canadian lab grew up stocks of the virus [originating in respiratory illnesses infecting Saudi Arabian victims] and used it to assess diagnostic tests being used in Canada. Winnipeg scientists worked to see which animal species can be infected with the new virus.”

The article uses provocative language calling Dr. Qui “a Chinese Bio-Warfare Agent.” After referring to Dr. Shoham, whose comments appear consistently throughout a wide array of reports critical of the alleged biowarfare program run by the Chines government, a reference is made to James Giordano. a is identified as a neurology professor at Georgetown University and a senior fellow in Biowarfare at the U.S. Special Operations Command. Prof. Giordano is reported to have commented,

China’s growing investment in bio-science, looser ethics around gene-editing and other cutting-edge technology and integration between government and academia raise the spectre of such pathogens being weaponized.

That could mean an offensive agent, or a modified germ let loose by proxies, for which only China has the treatment or vaccine. “This is not warfare, per se,” he said. “But what it’s doing is leveraging the capability to act as global saviour, which then creates various levels of macro and micro economic and bio-power dependencies.”

The authors of the GreatGameIndia series on the possible Canadian connection to the Wuhan Institute of Virology speculate that the shipments of viruses from the NML to China included the specific strain of Coronavirus that originated in Saudi Arabia. This conjecture caused me to speculate about why it is that the Israeli specialist in biological and chemical warfare, Dr. Dany Shoman, took such an active interest in the Winnipeg biolab. I have seen no evidence Dr. Shoham ever visited the Winnipeg lab but for some unexplained reason he seems well informed about its activities.

My own speculations cause me to wonder if Dr. Shoham might have come in contact with Dr. Plummer because of the latter’s reported work in doing the genetic sequencing of the virus causing the Saudi-based outbreak of a version of SARS. This speculation arises because of a serious report in London England highlighting the interests of Israeli biological warfare experts in an “ethnic bomb” that would specifically target Arabs.

The existence of such a program was outlined on 15 November, 1998 in a London Sunday Times story entitled, “Israel Planning ‘Ethnic Bomb’ as Saddam Caves In.” The story’s authors, Uzi Mahnaimi and Marie Cohen, explain the existence of such a clandestine research project on ethnic-specific bioweapons at Ness Ziona Israel near Tel Aviv. The Israeli research project, which still continues, apparently drew earlier on investigations on ethnically-targeted biological weaponry that took place in South Africa during the era of apartheid.

The Times article reported that

Israel, using research obtained from South Africa, was developing an “ethno bomb; In developing their “ethno-bomb”, Israeli scientists are trying to exploit medical advances by identifying a distinctive gene carried by some Arabs, then create a genetically modified bacterium or virus… The scientists are trying to engineer deadly micro-organisms that attack only those bearing the distinctive genes.

As an Israeli military and medical expert in the field of biological and chemical warfare, Dr. Shoham must have had some awareness of the founding and genesis of Ness Ziona “ethno-bomb” project.

What is the past or current relationship of Dr. Shoham to the Ness Ziona Institute for Biological Research? Did Dr. Shoham have professional interactions with Dr. Plummer following the reported cultivation and genetic sequencing by the Winnipeg scientist of the Saudi-derived strain of SARS. This strain came to be known as MERS. Was Dr. Plummers’s involvement in a strain of Coronavirus that initially targeted Arabs a factor in attracting Dr. Shoham’s interest to Winnipeg’s NML.

GreatGameIndia has published a rich and detailed academic paper presenting a chronicle and an assessment of the spread of the SARS strain that struck down Arab victims initially in Qatar and Jordan as well as Saudi Arabia. Some of the victims also spread the illness to family members in London and Pakistan. The labeling of this strain of infection as MERS comes from the name, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome.

Prof. Gufaraz Kahn is the author of the paper published on 28 February of 2013 in Vol. 10 (no. 66) of Virology Journal. Dr. Kahn’s professional base is the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at the College of Medicine and Health Sciences at United Arab Emirates University.

Dr. Kahn’s rich and erudite academic account of the early stages of the MERS infections in Virology Journal would almost certainly have drawn the attention of Israeli agents involved in the country’s alleged biological and chemical warfare program. This attraction would have been especially enticing for any Israeli military officials still seeking to target Arab victims with genetically-engineered viruses.

Did Dr. Plummer knowingly or inadvertently help Dr. Shoham with his research work based in Israel? How does the staff of the NHL navigate the inevitable military side of their research with its applications in Canada, in the US and internationally?

If Dr. Plummer did in some way collaborate with Dr. Shoham and with other Israeli researchers in biotechnology, might this activity have been a factor in the decision of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem to grant Dr. Plummer the Scopus Award? What level of accountability is owed by the managers of the NML in Winnipeg to the citizens who fund the research facility? Shouldn’t these managers and their supervisors in administrative and elected office make a commitment not to hide research for biological warfare behind veneers of public health research?

In the last year of his life Dr. Plummer agreed to the insertion of a surgically inserted implant in his brain meant to help the scientist cope with a severe case of alcoholism that plagued his life beginning in the 1980s. Dr. Plummer agreed to be a test case in this new biomedical therapy after he suffered a liver failure followed by a liver transplant in 2012.

The case was widely publicized by the BBC and many other media venues in the weeks and days before the death of Dr. Plummer by heart failure in Nairobi. It is legitimate to ask whether Dr. Plummer’s longstanding problem with alcoholism contributed to the breakdown of orderly procedures and civility reported to have overtaken the culture of scientific work at the Winnipeg’s NML?

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Masks Its Own Ineptitude by Attacking ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ and ‘Vigilantes’

On 27 January of 2020 the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation responded to the boisterous response created on the Internet to the GreatGameIndian series of articles. The CBC article was written by Karen Pauls and Jeff Yates. As we have seen, some elements of GreatGameIndia series drew on news conveyed through Karen Paul’s earlier CBC reports written during the spring and summer of 2019.

The CBC reporting on the factual lapses in the alleged Winnipeg-Wuhan axis of microbiology failed to deal with many germane subjects including the role of Dr. Dany Shoham. The stories featuring comments by Dr. Shoham have tended to develop storylines that the CBC report deems deceptive.

Dr. Shoham’s media interventions have been influential in creating the imagery of Chinese government malfeasance in the handling the COVID-19 crisis. This critical orientation to the CCP has become common in coverage generated by many venues. Prominent among them are The Epoch Times, the Washington Times, Steve Bannon’s and Miles Guo’s coverage on War Room: Pandemic, and Simone Gao’s Taiwan-based coverage on Zooming In.

Another very significant source of honest news reporting on the COVID-19 crisis has been Trunews, an evangelical Christian broadcasting operation hosted by Rick Wiles. Rev. Wiles and those who join him on-air emerged as pioneers in the in-depth coverage of of China in epidemiological crisis. They conducted their own independent research, crawled down rabbit hole after rabbit hole, and emerged with some excellent coverage that really does qualify as Trunews. In the course of their coverage the webcast was removed from the You Tube/ADL platform. The background of the deplatforming has to do with the fact that Rev. Wiles is a self-declared Born Again Christian who is highly critical of the preoccupations and ethics of Christian Zionists.

The CBC intervention labeled as “Fake” a screen shot of a tweet by a Dallas-based hedge fund manager named Kyle Bass. Citing CBC News, Bass tweeted that “a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a level 4 Disease facility for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility.” CBC reported that this tweet, one that combines documented facts with speculative supposition, was shared 12,000 times.

The CBC did not attempt to add background and context to the use made of its own stories formulated months before the inception of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic. There was no specific reference in the CBC “Fake News” diatribe to the GreatGameIndia series of articles. As noted, when taken together the GreatGameIndia publications created a fairly elaborate narrative by mixing straight reporting of well-documented facts with speculative interludes.

Bear in mind that this speculation was delivered pretty much into the vacuum created by the unwillingness or inability of many mainstream media venues to deal with the complexities of a fast-moving emergency spreading from China to the world. The genesis of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic provides an important window into a whole range of issues that are in many respects quite different from anything previously faced by humanity.

The recent introduction of the tools of genetic engineering into the production of food, vaccines, or bioweaponry is not an easy or familiar subject for many people. When it comes to introducing audiences to the wide array of new issues involving technologies integral to the COVID-19 epidemic, the media still has many big jobs of public education to mount. This public education is the necessary gateway to well-informed public discourse on the complex array of issues, some of them life-and-death in nature, that is fast bearing down upon us all.

Instead of conscientiously reporting on the situation, the CBC’s reporters tend like so many others in their position to fall back on what is becoming an old canard. Rather than evaluate all the gaping holes and omissions and silences in their own news coverage, they attribute all problems to some imagined tribe of malicious know nothings smeared collectively as “conspiracy theorists.”

By and large, most MSM reporters equate the concept of “conspiracy theorists” with kooks and losers who exist in some wayward zone well outside the charmed inner circle of “authoritative sources”? How are we to interpret what Pauls and Yates mean when they subjectively refer to a “conspiracy blog,” or to “conspiracy theory blogs” without giving any explanations, proofs or definitions of what they mean. Where is the trusted agency that is qualified and empowered to decide without bias or self-interest what is or is not a “conspiracy blog”? Is any interpretation that runs counter to the CBC’s often-vapid interpretation of events a “conspiracy theory”?

Doesn’t the MSM’s serial abuse of the “conspiracy theory” meme provide a license for lazy, groupthink-inclined stenographers of power to continue a policy of serving the continued reign of the status quo?

How often does it happen that whistle blowers who provide conscientious critiques of official narratives in many fields are dismissed as “conspiracy theorists”? Wasn’t Wuhan Medical Doctor, Li Wenliang, initially dismissed by Chinese authorities as a conspiracy theorist? How often does it happen that those who fall back on the conspiracy theory meme to discredit their detractors are in fact apologists and gate keepers for corrupt, self-serving lobbies?

The CBC story presents a screen shot that attributes to Zero Hedge the asking of the question, “Did China Steal the Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponize It?” No effort is made by the CBC reporters to put in context the important story of the attack on Zero Hedge by Twitter in order to protect the problematic official narrative of the COVID-19 epidemic. No effort has been made by CBC to identify GreatGameIndia as the source of the story on the alleged Canadian connection to COVID-19. No effort is made to assess the background, understanding and possible motivations of the creators of the GreatGameIndia essays.

If the CBC had held back its attack on Coronavirus “conspiracy theorists” one day longer, its reporters would have had before them the story of the arrest of Dr. Charles Lieber, the Chair of Harvard University’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology. Dr. Lieber is facing serious criminal charges for his failure to communicate to US authorities the full extent of his commitments in China, including his role at the Wuhan University of Technology.

The nature of the allegations against the activities of Dr. Lieber cast an important light on the case of Dr. Xiangguo Qui, her husband Keding Cheng, and on her many Chinese graduate students often afforded favorable treatment at the NML and the University of Manitoba. The clear and detailed explanations given by some US officials describing the content and broader implications of the Lieber case help clarify what is not being reported in Canada.

What and who was behind the attempt to identify and explain a significant Canadian connection to the COVID-19 crisis? What is the position of the federal government and the University of Manitoba on the case in Winnipeg that, in general terms, is seemingly being replicated by some aspects of the scandal that has opened up the Chemistry Department at Harvard University to considerable skeptical public scrutiny?

The reporting on the Lieber case helps clarify the nature information blackout imposed on Canadians by, for instance, by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, by the federal Public Health Agency, by the RCMP, and by the Crown’s public broadcaster known as the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

In setting themselves up as virtue-seeking critics of “conspiracy theorists,” CBC reporters professionally roughed up an array of writers whose work they probably haven’t read, let alone considered in a careful and thoughtful way. In creating stereotypical accounts about a body of work they probably have not evaluated on a case-by-case basis, the CBC journalists resort to forms of blanket generalizations that have much in common with the racist caricaturing of ethnic groups.

Hence the CBC reporters continue down the road of incitement by demonizing interpretations that in many instances do not conform to their own way of viewing events. Part of this incitement is expressed in the decision to highlight the comments of Prof. Fuyuki Kurasawa. Kurasawa is a sociologist and Director of the Global Digital Citizenship Lab at York University. Kurasawa condemns “conspiracy theories” and “rumours” for “washing out factual information being reported on line.”

How can genuine “factual information” be credibly determined without providing space and time for open debate among proponents of competing interpretations? If the pursuit of truth by means of open debate is being spurned even by faculty members at academic institutions (which tragically is often the case these days), where else in society can such rituals of informed and civil disagreement take place in humanity’s quest for knowledge?

Kurasawa is one of those academic careerists who has decided to swim along professionally with a broad array of discredited assumptions underlying the Global War on Terror.

Kurasawa’s complicity in the war on terror’s culture of caricature shows up in his convoluted account how the Coronavirus “vigilantes” of his imagination might think and act. He imagines a subgroup of “conspiracy theorists” who

will take it on themselves to become vigilantes, where they’ll try to spot someone who supposedly is either holding the truth about some hidden truth about the coronavirus or a person who may be a carrier or supposed carrier of the virus because they appear to have certain symptoms, and then they’ll ask the general public to take matters into own hands.

Life Sciences or Death Sciences?

Spiro Skouras, former executive producer at Newsbud, has emerged as one of the more engaging and erudite of the young investigative journalists who have been delving into the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic. Skouras has documented the position of many prominent figures that have questioned the dubious claim that the source of COVID-19 infection was a diseased animal in Wuhan’s open-air food market.

Skouras has argued it would be “negligent” for researchers to refrain from investigating “the full array of possibilities” on how the contagion originated and how it spread.

Among the first figures, Skouras interviewed on the crisis was Francis Boyle, the renowned professor of international law at the University of Illinois. Prof. Boyle drafted the Biological Weapons and Terrorism Act, legislation that enabled US ratification of the UN’s Biological Warfare Convention in 1990.

Prof. Boyle indicated in his interview with Skouras that COVID-19 is most likely a genetically-engineered pathogen that escaped from the so-called Biosafety Laboratory in Wuhan. Prof. Boyle indicated,

It’s clear to me [the coronavirus] leaked out of the Wuhan Biosafety Level 4 Facility set up by the Chinese government that is working on every type of dangerous biological warfare agent you can consider.

Prof. Boyle points to the fact that the SARS virus leaked out from a Beijing lab in 2004. He describes as “propaganda” the widely promulgated opinion that COVID-19 originated in Wuhan’s exotic, open-air food market. Prof. Boyle expanded some of his interpretations in a subsequent interview published by GreatGameIndia.

Skouras specifically asked Dr. Boyle about his relationship with mainstream media given his record as one of the foremost academic experts on international law and military culture concerning the development of bioweaponry in the United States. Dr. Boyle responded that he was pretty much blacklisted from commenting on the subject of biological warfare ever since he publicly shared his interpretation of the anthrax attacks on two US Senators in October of 2001.

There has been considerable scholarly scrutiny of the anthrax attacks targeting the US Congress and some media organizations in early October of 2001. The anthrax attacks constitute the most serious assault ever on the operations of the US Congress, the primary interface between law and politics in the United States.

These attacks have come to be understood as an integral part of the large body of crimes committed in Manhattan and Washington DC on 9/11. The anthrax attacks killed five people including two postal workers. Seventeen people were injured and Congress was shut down for a few days.

Anthrax-laden letter attacks were specifically directed at two Democratic Party Senators, Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle. When they received the contaminated letters both lawmakers were engaged in questioning provisions of the post-9/11 emergency measures legislation known as the Patriot Act. Both Senators Leahy and Daschle were hesitant to rubber stamp the enactment that was seemingly instantly drafted and put before Congress within three weeks of the 9/11 debacle.

The anthrax attacks took place just as the US Armed Forces began invading Afghanistan where the culprits of the 9/11 crimes were supposed to be hiding out. The perpetrators of the anthrax attack, who we were supposed to imagine at the time as al-Qaeda terrorists, succeeded in easing aside the major locus of opposition to the Patriot Act’s speedy passage in late October. Why, one might legitimately ask, ask, would Islamic jihadists want the Patriot Act to be rushed through Congress. In early October the US Armed Forces invaded Afghanistan at the same time that the US executive branch was seeking with the Patriot a license to kill and torture and steal without any checks of accountability.

Once the US Armed Forces went to war with Afghanistan on the basis of a fraudulent explanation of 9/11’s genesis, there was basically no chance that a genuine and legitimate evidence-based investigation of the September 11 crimes would ever take place. To this day the Global War on Terror continues to unfold on a foundation of lies and illusions that have had devastating consequences for the quality of life for average people throughout the United States and the world.

In his 2005 book, Biowarfare and Terrorism, Prof. Boyle’s analysis pointed to major problems in the FBI’s investigation of the anthrax attacks including the agency’s destruction of relevant evidence. To Prof. Boyle, the highly refined military-grade quality of the anthrax made it almost certain that the anthrax bioweapon was produced within the US Armed Forces at the lab in Fort Detrick Maryland. Anthrax, or Bacillus anthracis, is a rod-shaped bacteria found naturally in soil.

Looking back at the episode Dr. Boyle observed, “The Pentagon and the C.I.A. are ready, willing, and able to launch biowarfare when it suits their interests. They already attacked the American People and Congress and disabled our Republic with super-weapons-grade anthrax in October 2001.”

Prof. Boyle’s interpretation was later verified and expanded upon in a book by Canadian Prof. Graeme MacQueen. Prof. Boyle acknowledges the veracity of Prof. MacQueen’s study of the anthrax deception as part of a “domestic conspiracy.” He sees The 2001 Anthrax Deception as the most advanced finding of academic research on the topic so far.

Prof. MacQueen is prominent among a very large group of academics and public officials who condemn the official narrative of 9/11 for its dramatic inconsistencies with the available evidence. Those who share this understanding include former Italian Prime Minister Francesco Cossiga, former German Defence Minister Andreas von Bülow, former UK Minister of the Environment Michael Meacher, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, former Director of the US Star Wars Missile Defense Program Lt. Col. Bob Bowman, Princeton International Law Professor Richard Falk, and the author of ten academic books on different aspects of the 9/11 debacle, Claremont Graduate University Professor David Ray Griffin.

Prof. Francis Boyle shared the 9/11 skepticism of many when he asked,

Could the real culprits behind the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001, and the immediately-following terrorist anthrax attacks upon Congress ultimately prove to be the same people? Could it truly be coincidental that two of the primary intended victims of the terrorist anthrax attacks – Senators Daschle and Leahy – were holding up the speedy passage of the pre-planned USA Patriot Act … an act which provided the federal government with unprecedented powers in relation to US citizens and institutions?

In his coverage of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic, Spiro Skouras highlighted the proceedings known as Event 201. Event 201 brought together in New York on October 18, 2019 an assembly of delegates hosted by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Economic Forum and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. The gathering anticipated the COVID-19 crisis by just a few weeks. I retrospect it is almost as if Event 201 announced many of the controversies about to arise with the outbreak of the real epidemic in Wuhan China. Event 201 performed functions similar to those of the drills that frequently mimic the engineered scenarios animating false flag terror events but especially those of 9/11.

A major subject of the meeting highlighted the perceived need to control communications during an epidemic. Levan Thiru of the Monetary Authority of Singapore went as far as to call for “a step up on the part of governments to take action against Fake News.” Thiru called for recriminatory litigation aimed at criminalizing “bad actors.” Cautioning against this kind of censorship, Skouras asked, Who is going to decide what constitutes “Fake News”? If fact checkers are to be employed, “who will fact check the fact checkers”?

Hasti Taghi, a media executive with NBC Universal in New York, was especially outspoken in condemning the activities of “conspiracy theorists” that have organized themselves to question the motives and methods of the complex of agencies involved in developing and disseminating vaccines. She frequently condemned the role of “conspiracy theories” in energizing public distrust of the role of pharmaceutical companies and media conglomerates in their interactions with government.

Tom Ingelsby of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security injected an interesting twist into the discussion. He asked, “How much control of information should there be? By whom should control of information be exercised? How can false information be effectively challenged?” Ingelsby then added, “What happens if the false information is coming from companies and governments?”

This final question encapsulates a major problem for conscientious citizens trying to find their way through the corruption and disinformation that often permeates our key institutions. Those that try to counter the problem that governments and corporations sometimes peddle false information can pretty much expect to face accusations that they are “conspiracy theorists.” Too often the calculations involved in deciding whom or what is credible (or not) depends primarily on simple arithmetic favouring the preponderance of wealth and power.

Spiro Skouras gives careful consideration to the possibility that the United States instigated the COVID-19 epidemic starting in Wuhan China.

He notes the precedent set in 1945 on the atomic attacks by the US government on the civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Skouras points out that there is proof that since the Second World War, the US government has conducted at least 239 experiments, secretly deploying toxic chemical and biological agents against portions of its own population.

On the history of US involvement in biological warfare see here, here and here.

Skouras highlights the window presented for a covert US bioweapon attack at the World Military Games in Wuhan China in the second half of October of 2019. He notes that 300 US soldiers participated as athletes in the Wuhan Military Games together with a large contingent of American support personnel. The timing and the circumstances of the event were more or less ideal to open up a new pathogenic front in the US government’s informal “hybrid war” against China.

On Feb. 15 at the Munich Security Conference, US Defence Secretary, Mark T. Esper, developed a highly critical characterization of Chinese wrongdoing in order to seemingly justify recriminatory actions. Esper asserted, “China’s growth over the years has been remarkable, but in many ways it is fuelled by theft, coercion, and exploitation of free market economies, private companies, and colleges and universities… Huawei and 5G are today’s poster child for this nefarious activity.

The US antagonism to Huawei’s leadership in the design and worldwide dissemination of 5 G technology might well be a factor in the scandal generated by the Chinese connection to intertwined research in microbiology at the level 4 labs in Winnipeg and Wuhan.

Back in 2000 the notorious report entitled Rebuilding America’s Defenses, a publication brought forward by the neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC), proposed that the US government should refurbish and invoke its capacity to wage biological warfare. PNAC was the think tank that anticipated the events of September 11, 2001 by outlining a strategic scheme that could only be realized by mobilizing American public opinion with “a catalytic event like a New Pearl Harbor.”

After 9/11, the PNAC Team of related neoconservative activists and Zionist organizations pretty much took over the governance of the United States along with the build up and deployment of its formidable war machine. PNAC called for the invocation of “advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes.” In this fashion “biological warfare might be transformed into a politically useful tool.”

The relationship of this pandemic to internal disagreements within China has been put on full display in Steve Bannon’s coverage of the crisis entitled War Room: Pandemic. A prominent member of US President Donald Trump’s inner circle, Steve Bannon is often accompanied on the daily show by Chinese billionaire dissident, Miles Guo (aka Guo Wengui, Miles Haoyun, Miles Kwok).

Guo is an outspoken Chinese refugee. He is a persistent critic of virtually every facet of the policies and actions of the Chinese Communist Party.

Guo regularly condemns those who dominate China’s one-party system, a system run by an elite who, he alleges, are corrupt, incompetent and inveterate liars. Guo regularly asserts that all of the Chinese government’s numbers on the pandemic, including death rates and infection rates, can probably be multiplied by 10X or even 100X to get closer to accuracy.

[On the 10X guestimate of mortality and infection see this.]

Clearly Bannon and Guo would like to see the emergency conditions created by the pandemic as a wedge of division, protest and regime change within China. One of the subjects they regularly raise, as do others who accuse the Chinese government of systematic lying and deception, is that the crematoriums in Wuhan and nearby Chongqing are burning corpses of dead people at a rate far higher than official death figures. Some reports indicated that portable incinerators were being brought into the most infected core of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic.

It is troubling, to say the least, that some reports indicate dead people are being cremated far faster and at far higher rates than the Chinese government and the World Health Organization are reporting. Some reckoning with the apparent disparity between reported and actual deaths has led to widespread suspicions about what is actually going in the scenes of violent and angry exchanges between people in the Wuhan area.

Many of these videos show brutal confrontations between Chinese civilians and Chinese security police. The displays of desperation by some of those trying to escape apprehensions by uniformed officials seem sometimes to suggest the severity of a life or death struggle. It is made to seem that those seeking to escape the grip of authorities are aware that their failure to do so might lead to a quick death and a quick exit by incineration. These reflections are, of course, speculative rather than definitive.

Questions concerning who we are supposed to believe or not in this crisis are becoming ever more pressing and volatile. One of the emerging themes in the discourse developed at War Room: Pandemic is the propensity of some of the core agencies of mainstream media in the United States to accept at face value the reports they receive from official media outlets answering to the Chinese Communist Party. To Banning and Guo this pattern makes media organizations like the New York Times, The Washington Post, and CNN essentially propaganda extensions of the Chinese government.

The Chinese people themselves are clearly grappling in new ways with the problem of how to understand the information and directives given them by the governing apparatus of the Chinese Communist Party. Clearly the Party initially failed the people by not intervening early and decisively enough after the first cases of Coronavirus illness began to show up. The exit from Wuhan of almost five million people in prior to the Chinese Lunar New Year celebrations had huge implications for spreading the contagion.

As noted in the introduction, the death in Wuhan of Dr. Li Wenliang on 7 February has become a flash point for popular criticism of the Chinese Communist Party led by General Secretary Xi Jinping. Dr. Li wrote to members of his medical school alumnus group suggesting that some significant action should be taken in response to the appearance of SARS-like symptoms that suddenly afflicted his patients.

For sending out this unauthorized communication, Dr. Li was summoned along with seven other supposed offenders to the Public Security Bureau. There he was warned by police to stop “making false statements.” He was ordered to cease and desist “spreading rumors,” and “acting illegally to disturb social order.”

Dr. Li signed a form indicating he would refrain from continuing to do what he had been accused of doing. The chastised professional returned to his medical practice. He took his own advice and began treating patients exhibiting signs of the new illness. He himself soon died from COVID-19 when it was still known as 19-nCoV.

Is Twitter’s permanent deplatforming of the Zero Hedge web site a North American version of the police intervention in China with the goal of silencing Dr. Li? Is the censorship of the Internet in the name of opposing “conspiracy theorists” repeating the Chinese Communist Party’s effort to silence Dr. Li?

Is Dr. Li to be appropriately understood as a Chinese version of a “conspiracy theorist”? How different was his treatment for allegedly “spreading rumours” and “acting illegally to disturb social order” from the treatment of those in the Occident who have been deplatformed, smeared and professionally defrocked for attempting to speak truth to power?

I have developed responses to these incursions based on hard-won experiences facing the propaganda blows of an especially powerful political lobby able to seize control of the governing board of my university. These professional lobbyists seek to discredit academic analysis of their own violations of law, ethics and civility by labelling critics of their zealotry as “conspiracy theorists” or worse.

More recently I have been grappling against a variation on this process in trying to counter the censorious attacks on the American Herald Tribune. These assaults on free expression and open debate began with the machinations of military hawks whose hit job instructions were passed along to the disinformation specialists at CNN and the Washington Post.

No one can say for sure where the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic is taking the world. Wherever we are headed, however, we are leaving behind an era that can never be recreated. Whatever happened to originate the contagion, this crisis is forcing us to take stock of the framework of biological warfare as it has been developing in China, Russia, Israel and probably many other countries.

Nowhere, however, is biological warfare being more expansively and expensively developed and probably deployed than by the US Armed Forces. The death and destruction that humanity is presently experiencing should signal to us that it is time to get much more serious about inspecting military facilities and enforcing the terms of the Biological Warfare Convention of 1972. It is, in fact, time to get much more serious about enforcing all aspects of international criminal law in balanced ways that transcend the biases of Victors’ Justice.

It is time to throw off the weight of the pseudo-laws introduced after 9/11 through abhorrent tactics like the inside-job military anthrax attack on Congress. Most certainly, it is time to draw a clear distinction between research in the field of public health and research in the development of lethal bioweapons. Better yet, we should work towards putting an end altogether to militarization through the massive expansion of the “death sciences.” The vile activities of fallen practitioners of the endangered life sciences are, for starters, undermining the integrity of our besieged institutions of higher learning.

Anthony James Hall has been Editor In Chief of the American Herald Tribune since its inception. Between 1990 and 2018 Dr. Hall was Professor of Globalization Studies and Liberal Education at the University of Lethbridge where he is now Professor Emeritus. The focus of Dr. Hall’s teaching, research, and community service came to highlight the conditions of the colonization of Indigenous peoples in imperial globalization since 1492.

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  1. Ron Unz says:

    I’ll take this excellent, comprehensive survey of the potential bioweapon aspect of the Coronavirus story as an opportunity to republish a few of my own relevant recent comments:

    As of right now, I haven’t seen any solid evidence that the coronavirus is a bioweapon. But let’s assume that it is.

    It was released at the absolute worst time for China, just before Lunar New Year, when it could have easily spread throughout the country. Let’s say it was released during the worst ten-day window of a given year. The likelihood of this happening randomly (e.g. due to an accidental bioweapon release) is less than 3%, meaning that there’s a 97% the release was non-accidental.

    Consider also that the outbreak occurred in Wuhan, just after 300 American military personnel had visited that city. That surely further depresses the odds of a random bioweapon release.

    So I’d say that if the coronavirus was a bioweapon, the likelihood of a non-random release is something like 99%, which I find pretty persuasive amid all the complex and conflicting claims and arguments.

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-to-yellow-cake-a-tragedy/#comment-3743817

    Consider a particularly ironic outcome of this situation, not particularly likely but certainly possible…

    Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.

    So perhaps the coronavirus outbreak was indeed a deliberate biowarfare attack against China, hitting that nation just before Lunar New Year, the worst possible time to produce a permanent nationwide pandemic. However, the PRC responded with remarkable speed and efficiency, implementing by far the largest quarantine in human history, and the deadly disease now seems to be in decline there.

    Meanwhile, the disease naturally leaks back into the US, and despite all the advance warning, our totally incompetent government mismanages the situation, producing a huge national health disaster, and the collapse of our economy and decrepit political system.

    As I said, not particularly likely, but certainly a very fitting end to the American Empire…

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-will-kill-millions-crater-the-world-economy/#comment-3739730

    And I’m still very suspicious about the circumstances of the outbreak. It hit China just before Lunar New Year, the absolutely worst possible time, and the epicenter was Wuhan, a key transport hub. It really seems an *astonishing* coincidence that 300 American military servicemen had been visiting Wuhan just prior to the outbreak, at a peak of international tension.

    How would Americans react if 300 PRC officers had visited Chicago, and immediately afterwards, a deadly new plague broke out in that city, with a major risk of spreading throughout the country?

    Isn’t it also rather suspicious that Iran has been hit so hard? So the two countries in the world most subject to current American hostility just tend to be especially “unlucky”…

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-will-kill-millions-crater-the-world-economy/#comment-3734861

    Well, supposedly something like 25,000 Chinese live and work in Italy, so a secondary outbreak there is hardly so surprising.

    On the other hand, I’m not sure how many Chinese are Shia Muslim pilgrims to Qom, Iran.

    By contrast, if someone wanted to deliberately spread a bioweapon within the pro-Iran Shia Muslim community, as a leading pilgrimage Qom would be an ideal release target location.

    None of this proves anything, but it seems *highly* suspicious…

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-will-kill-millions-crater-the-world-economy/#comment-3736061

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  2. Tony Hall says:

    @Ron Unz

    Thanks Ron Unz for your interest and input. I appreciate seeing yet more evidence of your talent in scouting out where public discourse seems to be headed. Again and again you go into precisely those big issues that Big Media most persistently tries to repress.

    The possibility that COVID-19 is a genetically engineered bioweapon rather than the result of a bad batch of bat soup considerably raises the geopolitical ante in the matter. The possibility that COVID-19 is a bioweapon to be directed with malicious intent is suggested by what is going on in Iran. Not only does it seem possible that the country is being targeted but that top officials within the government are also being specifically targeted. I am also picking up reports that the virus may have been directed at a group of CCP cybersecurity experts based in Beijing. These experts are possibly engaged in maintaining the Chinese Internet firewall.

    According to Chinese billionaire dissident and refugee claimant, Miles Guo (Steve Bannon’s new #1 associate), the mess started with a determination to direct the bioweapon at the Hong Kong protests. In Guo’s reading of events, this plan ran amok as described below.

    https://gnews.org/121595/

    [MORE]

    Miles Guo Explains CCP Infighting and Past and Future Story of COVID19

    https://gnews.org/121595/

    Grain of Salt
    Part 1

    https://gnews.org/121744/

    Part 2

    https://gnews.org/122331/

    Text Summary of his 2/22/20 Videos:

    https://gnews.org/121595/

    Wuhan: The incinerators

    According to an informant who managed and coupled the incinerators with the quarantine hospitals of Xincang in Leishenshan, 40 mobile incinerators have been working for 24/7. Each can burn 5 tons or 30 corpses per day. Human bodies can be disposed from inside the hospital, dropped through a duct into the incinerators and burnt to ashes. None can tell the precise death toll. These incinerators, like mobile crematoria, were used in the SARS outbreak 2003 and also casts doubt on that true death toll.

    There are 400k incinerators having been deployed throughout China. The manufacturer has got an order for an additional one million incinerators.

    Those who died at home are many times more than those who died in streets or in the hospitals. At least 3,000 medical doctors and nurses have been infected.

    There are 47 crematoria in Wuhan. Each has 12 production lines. In the whole province of Hubei, there are roughly 2,000 crematoria. Given all have worked at full load, it is estimated by now that about 100k have been cremated per day.

    Beijing: The Martial Law

    According to a military doctor, the actual contagious cases and death toll caused by the coronavirus are many times more than the official statistics. Whilst Wuhan military sector is where the martial law was imposed the earliest, Beijing is where the most stringent is imposed. What has been activated is precisely bio-chemical counter-warfare.

    The previously informed death of the staff of the CCP Central Commission for Discipline Inspection was mistaken. The death is now corrected as having occurred in the military sector in Beijing. The dead had been infected with the coronavirus from the visiting military officials from Wuhan.

    The death in the military force sounded alarm to the CCP politburo that the virus was out of control. The hospitals in Beijing are therefore heavily guarded. The 301 Hospital held a confidential emergency meeting. At the meeting, the attendants were informed that a bio-weapon, specifically an artificially engineered virus, had been released from the P4 lab in Wuhan and had caused many to die.

    Openly however, the CCP government lied that the virus was naturally originated from wildlife; was preventable, controllable, treatable; and was not transmittable between humans.

    Hong Kong: The Failed Bio-Weapon

    It is a karma for the coronavirus to take effect in Wuhan and Beijing, rather than as intended in Hong Kong. Indeed Hong Kong missed a calamity that had been deliberated by the CCP.

    At a meeting in the last week of August between Carrie Lam, Yang Jiechi and the head of PLA Hong Kong garrison, Wang Qishan murderously elaborated his seven quelling strategies. One was to deploy quasi-bioweapon and bioweapon e.g. tear gas, blue dyed liquid and a plague. In Wang’s view, it was idiotic for the CCP to repress Hong Kong protestors by using tanks and announcing martial law, since the entailed economic and political costs were too high. Consequently days later, Lam threatened Hong Kong protestors that continuing protests would cause destruction of good and bad alike.

    When the virus first kicked off and infected more than 3,000 Hong Kong citizens, Lam’s government underreported only 20 cases. Hong Kong people did not give in. Afterwards things went out of control in the mainland. Thus the CCP’s scheme of cracking down Hong Kongers by bioweapon was aborted.

    The contagion in Hong Kong is yet to explode. While tens of thousands of citizens are expected to be in quarantine, the worst affected group would be exactly those the Hong Kong people hate the most. Surprisingly it is the CCP who most wants this group of people to die, so that no secret keepers would stand out to expose its sinister scheme. These are the CCP’s running-dogs: the governmental officials, the four shameless groups, and particularly the killing apparatus – the Hong Kong police and fake police. Expected to be infected in huge numbers, the fake police would be transferred back to their mainland origin. In Shenzhen and Zhuhai, quarantine centres and mobile incinerators are ready to accommodate and dispose of them.

    China: Political Security

    The CCP leadership are struggling to maintain the economy in order to prevent the regime from collapse. The CCP leaders are so afraid of death that they are even cancelling the two national conferences. Yet they force enterprises such as Huawei, Foxconn, Fosun Pharmaceutical to resume business so as to earn foreign currencies for them. Those who return to work are prone to the virus contagion and risk their lives. Correspondingly the CCP has adopted a scheme: imprison the ill people in circled localities, perish them by mobile incinerators and bury their ashes locally.

    In spite of fierce struggles at the top level, all factions agree that in case of losing control in Wuhan, Shanghai, the bona fide CCP power centre, would be in danger. Thus they dispatch CCP Gestapo head Sun Lijun to Wuhan. Sun has issued an order to jail any disobedient and truth-exposing people in the detention centres or quarantine centres. Within 72 hours after his arrival, Sun seconded 20,000 armed policemen from Beijing to ensure the enforcement.

    The CCP prioritises the protection of the old and new politburo leaders and members for political security. The best doctors, nurses and medicines are reserved for them rather than dispatched to the epicentre or the frontline of the epidemic. Indeed the CCP hope to wipe out the old, weak, ill, disabled and dissident amid the coronavirus outbreak.

    The Globe: Pandemic

    To shift the blame of the virus epidemic, the CCP is ready to name a few and penalise them as scapegoats. High on the list are Guo Deyin, Wang Yanyi and Shi Zhengli. The CCP also blames the US as the origin of the coronavirus.

    Whereas the epidemic is out of control, the CCP has determined to take advantage of it. Wang Qishan, Jiang Zemin, Yang Jiechi command and implement to spread the virus all over the world. The coronavirus outbreaks are expected to sweep Japan, Cambodia, the US, Canada, Europe and Asia etc.. As all countries are overwhelmingly busy in dealing with the pandemic, no one has time to hold the CCP accountable for the truth.

    If the virus genuinely originated from wild bat, it is unnecessary for the CCP to cover up the truth, as they did the amounts of SO2 emissions in Wuhan, Chongqing and part of Shanghai. For the CCP, the political security is of first and foremost importance.

    As suggested by the motto of the P4 lab in Wuhan, any access to the virus opens Pandora’s box. The virus epidemic has gone beyond the CCP’s control. Aiming to combat the US, the CCP sanctioned to establish the P4 Lab in Wuhan, researching and engineering viruses. Deployed to murder Hong Kong people, the virus however failed the CCP goal. Instead it has turned around unexpectedly to savage the CCP’s heartlands.

    The 29th February will be a watershed. The CCP is seriously concerned about it. The world will wake up to the truth of the coronavirus.

  3. Very good article which explores various motives, agendas and possibilities. Exactly the kind of reporting which I like. The fog of biological war envelopes us and the article pierces some of that fog.

  4. Great in-depth research by Hall.

    “You want [the audience] to accept, no matter how outrageous what’s going on.” – https://www.neh.gov/article/fake-news-orson-welles-war-worlds-80

    The real story is how over a billion people fully believe the official narrative of the virus growth and how this huge portion of the population can now be coaxed to move in any direction by closely-knit groups controlling political and institutional power. Who owns the broadcast and publishing rights? Who dictates what is being transmitted over the airwaves?

    What kind of emotional footprint and controlling mechanism has been placed on the underdeveloped minds of the youth throughout the world? Who has the power to manipulate these kids in the future by using a fabricated fear of acquiring a mysterious virus?

    “We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” – https://archive.org/details/BernaysPropaganda/page/n3/mode/2up

    “The medium is the message” – Marshall McLuhan

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  5. lysias says:
    @Tony Hall

    If this is the doing of Western elites, the disproportionate killing of the old and the sickly in Western societies was probably also intended. The privileged in our society constantly complain about the burden of what they call “entitlements”, spending on programs like Social Security and Medicare.

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  6. Great survey. Some quibbles:

    Before going down himself in the line of duty, Dr. Li faced a harsh reprimand from representatives of the Chinese Communist Party. Dr. Li was accused of spreading rumors and illegally threatening the social order with his tweets and posts and personal interventions. Nevertheless, Dr. Li was soon vindicated in calling attention to the coming plague. Not really. Li was a junior ophthalmologist at a Wuhan hospital who overheard a rumor that SARS had broken out again. Li did not inform China’s CDC, which was already investigating it. Instead, Li used social media to repeat the rumor to family and friends and they told their friends….
    Li was wrong professionally: it was not SARS, as he asserted in his tweets. Li was wrong legally: it is illegal to spread rumors likely to cause panic. Li was neither harshly questioned nor convicted of anything. After an hour of questioning the police concluded that he had merely acted irresponsibly and he was allowed to return to work.

    The Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic of 2020 is causing the once-firm ground beneath many established institutions to shake uncontrollably. One of those institutions, the Chinese communist government, is encountering its Chernobyl moment. Every multilateral public health body that has studied the outbreak has praised the timeliness, thoroughness, and effectiveness of China’s response. Don’t be fooled by our media’s selective use of outbursts on Chinese social media. This may be seen as much a triumph for China as a failure for its principal critic, the US. China’s government was, and remains, the most trusted on earth.

    The fact that ground zero of the Novel Coronavirus is Wuhan, home of China’s newest and most sophisticated microbiology laboratory, naturally casts a shadow of doubt over narratives minimizing the role of human agency in creating the new strain of Coronavirus. Ron Unz’s comments, above, cast a much darker shadow, given America’s track record of waging biological warfare on China, Cuba, et al.

    Clearly the Party initially failed the people by not intervening early and decisively enough after the first cases of Coronavirus illness began to show up. The Chinese Communist Party took half the time to intervene in this outbreak that the American Capitalist Party took to intervene in the its home-brewed H1N1 outbreak. See the two timelines here: https://youtu.be/rJiKxV4rTCQ

    • Agree: Mustapha Mond
    • Replies: @Thomasina
  7. Tony Hall says:

    @Godfree Roberts

    Thanks for the interventions Godfree. Nathan Rich’s videos seem aimed at putting a positive spin on the policies and actions of the Chinese Communist Party. That’s fine but his commentary in no way deals with the perspectives brought forward by, for instance, Miles Guo. Billionaire Guo accuses the CCP of having a role in the inception of COVID-19, not just in responding to the new virus that was supposedly created through an act of God. Nathan Rich might try explaining not only the block on Facebook in China but the nature of the larger Internet firewall.

    I look at the treatment of Dr. Li who was reprimanded for refusing to go along with the CCP denial of the Novel Coronavirus’s existence. The attack on Dr. Li as a Chinese version of a “conspiracy theorist,” when he was in fact a whistle blower, speaks to me of similar patterns I perceive in the West. Dr. Li is a symbol of the assault on free expression on both China and the so-called West.

    There is reason, as you note, to consider the possible role of the US in driving the original bioweapon attack in Wuhan. There is also lots of possibility that there are different agendas of sabotage that have been mounted, some working in common cause and maybe some working a cross-purposes. Elites in US and China are so intertwined that the nature of the dirty tricks, if dirty tricks have been taking place, might be far more complex that a simple nation vs nation conflict with one aggressor only.

    Its time for the global public to demand some accountability from those that make, test and deploy bioweapons. Stop playing so fast and loose with our health, with our lives and with our deaths. Cease and desist. And stop the cover up. There is much malfeasance which must be addressed, including by insisting on some UN enforcement and arbitration concerning the Biological Warfare Convention

  8. “It is, in fact, time to get much more serious about enforcing all aspects of international criminal law in balanced ways that transcend the biases of Victors’ Justice.”

    That statement is the crux of everything the Unz community cares about. The US regime has opened an undeclared war – a Pearl Harbor type sneak attack of the sort that justified the first nuclear bombing. In lieu of a pretense of self defense, the US sneak attack entails the aggravating war crime of perfidy with a plan and program of obscuring attribution to evade responsibility for its internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens. The weapon used breaches US BWC commitments. The weapon is inherently indiscriminate, and its exponential spread defies any concept of proportionality. If aggression is the highest crime, this is a crime of unprecedented gravity.

    This US crime creates erga omnes obligations of all UN member nations, making the US regime hostis humani generis. This US crime justifies annihilation of the aggressor regime and reconstruction of a successor state. The SCO and its allies and observers have the resources to effect this outcome, and they must effect it to survive.

    Hitler just invaded Poland and you’re a good German. Your Nazis are going to lose. When you crawl out of the rubble you better have something to say for yourself.

    • Replies: @Nils
    , @GeeBee
  9. Pewipips45 says: • Website

    Search RsSHC014 on youtube and see this.
    ALL five restriction sites found in the chimeric virus in the original Zhengli shi paper was found within the WuHan SARS-Cov-2. 3 of which were in the right order.
    A hell lot of coincidence.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  10. Ano4 says:
    @Pewipips45

    Someone could have reproduced the original sequence through synthesis and Gibson assembly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_assembly

  11. Jeremygg5 says:

    Dr Li Wenliang was NOT a whistleblower. He wrote to his private chat group about the re-emergence of SARS at 5:35pm on Dec 30 2019.

    However the health authority of Wuhan received the genetic report of the virus earlier the day, and released two official announcements the same day afternoon to thousands of medical personnel. Dr Li was an eye doctor and probably saw the memo, and wrote to his private chat group saying that it was SARS. He was reprimanded because the disease was still unknown at that time.

    Two emergency notices issued on Dec 30:

    – 《关于做好不明原因肺炎救治工作的紧急通知》
    – Emergency notice to all medical units about the emergence of a kind of penumonia of unkwown origin, get organized to deal with it, administer aid immediately without passing on responsibility to other units with focus on strengthening breathing, infection control, and other relevant medical disciplines. Report cases without delay.

    – 《市卫生健康委关于报送不明原因肺炎救治情况的紧急通知》
    – Emergency notice to all medical units to tabulate and report to us the cases of pneumonia of unknown origin that you encountered this past week.

    • Thanks: Erebus
    • Replies: @anon
  12. Biff says:

    is less than 3%, meaning that there’s a 97% the release was non-accidental.

    Posible, but not enough frame in your model.

    Here’s a link to a statistical probability calculator:

    https://www.calculator.net/probability-calculator.html

    It’s best to use it to eliminate probabilities(wildlife diet, bat soup, open markets etc…), and then focus on the higher probability results that are left… The numbers won’t lie..

  13. d dan says:
    @Tony Hall

    “… Dr. Li who was reprimanded for refusing to go along with the CCP denial of the Novel Coronavirus’s existence.”

    What a dumb author who still can manage to make two mistakes in half a sentence, even after so many rounds of clarifications by so many people.

    CCP did not deny the existence of COVID-19, they were investigating it at that time. And Dr Li was not reprimand for refusing to go along, but was reprimanded because he was shouting fire in a crowded cinema, a type of speech that US Supreme Court won’t allow too.

    “Nathan Rich might try explaining not only the block on Facebook in China but the nature of the larger Internet firewall.”

    Nathan Rich did explain about the blocking on Facebook in China:

    Just to smash on the head of those ignorant clowns: China didn’t block Facebook, Google or others. These companies refuse to obey Chinese laws. That is the reason they can’t operate in China. For example, Facebook refuses to remove hundreds of hate-China groups (7:50 of the video), including some that advocate using violence to destroy China. It is a flagrant violation of Chinese laws. If Facebook dare to allow violent hate-US groups, you think it won’t be banned in US too?

    This, of course, is in contrast to Huawei, who agrees to obey every single US law but yet is still banned to operate in US.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
    , @Johan
    , @Johan
  14. For some reason I am reminded of the Jon Rappoport-Ellis Medavoy (pseudonym) interview.

    “You
 make 
up 
something
 complicated. 

Then 
you 
insert 
it 
into 
the
 bloodstream 
of 
the 
society, 
and 
you
 watch 
it 
bloom. 

You 
make 
it 
complex 
enough 
that 
it 
will 
take 
armies 
of 
people 
to 
sort 
it 
out 
and 
argue
 about 
it, 
and 
then 
you 
have 
them. 

The 
other 
thing 
is, 
what 
you 
make 
up 
has 
to 
cost 
money. 

A 
lot 
of money.”

    “Why?” 
I 
said.

    “Because 
people 
want 
their 
lies 
to 
have 
value, 
and
 that 
is 
judged 
by 
how
 expensive 
they 
are.”

    “Suppose 
the 
citizenry 
ends 
up
 paying 
for 
these 
lies,” 
I 
said.

    “SUPPOSE?” 
he 
said. 

“SUPPOSE? 

Of 
COURSE 
they’re 
going 
to 
pay. 

They’re 
going 
to
 pay 
until 
it 
hurts.

 You 
know 
the 
old 
expression, “
Seeing 
Is 
Believing?” 

That’s 
bunch 
of 
crap. 

PAYING
 IS 
BELIEVING.”



    http://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Matrix%20Revealed/1_1a_ellis_medavoy.pdf

  15. Antiwar7 says:

    Cautionary note: before getting too excited about the claims of Francis Boyle, one should be aware that during the Bosnian War (1992–1995), Boyle took at face value all the wildly exaggerated disinformation put out by the Bosnian Muslim government side. Ask the Saker about how truthful that stuff was; he was in a position to know.

    As such, I question Boyle’s judgement. Though perhaps this coronavirus issue is closer to his area of expertise.

    • Agree: utu
  16. utu says:

    Dr. Shoham [the Israeli academic] notes that the government of China became a signatory in 1984 to UN’s Biological Weapons Convention of 1972.

    Too bad that the author did not mention that Israel is not a signatory to UN’s Biological Weapons Convention.

    The heart of the essay introducing readers to the genesis of China’s biological warfare capacities highlights a speech given in 2005 by Chi Hoatian, an important General in the People’s Liberation Army.

    Wasn’t the author alarmed by the audacity of content of the alleged speech? Who actually made available the speech in 2005? Wasn’t it The Epoch Times, the press organ of Falun Gong? Imo, the speech does not pass the smell test to be authentic. It is a psyop.

    Zero Hedge was permanently deplatformed by the corporate censors at Twitter…

    I get an impression that for the author the fact of deplatforming alone somehow legitimizes Zero Hedge and by extension Senator Cotton, Indian propaganda outfit GreatGameIndia, Steve Bannon and ultimately the busybody Israeli operative Dr. Dany Shoham. Is it possible that this deplatforming was intentional to make the conspiracy theory pushed by Zero Hedge that China did it more appealing than the other conspiracy theory that China was attacked by the external enemy?

    The initial findings of the researchers have been published on line in a paper entitled, “Uncanny Similarity of Unique Inserts in the 2019-nCoV Spike Protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag.” At the time of writing this essay, the University of Delhi’s much-smeared contribution to COVID-19 research continues to be available on the line even though it is still making its way through the process of peer review with possible future revisions.

    Here is more recent Chinese response to it

    HIV-1 did not contribute to the 2019-nCoV genome
    Emerg Microbes Infect. 2020 Dec;9(1):378-381. doi: 10.1080/22221751.2020.1727299.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32056509

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @foolisholdman
  17. Your piece of shit doesn’t worth any serious reading when you start it with all the lies about Dr Li Wenliang.
    You just hate China so much that you can’t write anything without lies about China. Your pure hatred is just some evidence of your lunatic incompetence.
    You work hard to keep alive and mentally conscious for 20 more years and remember what you are doing today, when you look back about yourself in the future, you will feel very stupid if you don’t get paid by doing such things.

    It’s totally all right even lucky for me that your society is full of arrogant and stupid sorry asses like you.

    • Replies: @Alter
    , @Johnny Smoggins
  18. utu says:

    What is the past or current relationship of Dr. Shoham to the Ness Ziona Institute for Biological Research? Did Dr. Shoham have professional interactions with Dr. Plummer following the reported cultivation and genetic sequencing by the Winnipeg scientist of the Saudi-derived strain of SARS. This strain came to be known as MERS. Was Dr. Plummers’s involvement in a strain of Coronavirus that initially targeted Arabs a factor in attracting Dr. Shoham’s interest to Winnipeg’s NML.

    To Professor Raina MacIntyre the epidemiology of MERS strongly suggested bioterrorism.

    Could MERS Coronavirus be bioterrorism? New study shows why this could be one of the explanations for the paradoxes of this virus
    https://sphcm.med.unsw.edu.au/news/could-mers-coronavirus-be-bioterrorism-new-study-shows-why-could-be-one-explanations-paradoxes

    Australian Infectious diseases epidemiologist Professor Raina MacIntyre from The School of Public Health And Community Medicine at UNSW, analysed the epidemiologic features of MERS-Cov compared to SARS and shows that it is very different to SARS in a new study, published today in Environment Systems and Decisions (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10669-014-9506-5/fulltext.html). Many of the features are paradoxical and cannot be explained by known principles of epidemiology.

    The discrepant epidemiology of Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV)
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10669-014-9506-5

  19. Parfois1 says:
    @Tony Hall

    I look at the treatment of Dr. Li who was reprimanded for refusing to go along with the CCP denial of the Novel Coronavirus’s existence. The attack on Dr. Li as a Chinese version of a “conspiracy theorist,” when he was in fact a whistle blower, speaks to me of similar patterns I perceive in the West. Dr. Li is a symbol of the assault on free expression on both China and the so-called West.

    You took no notice of Godfree Roberts clarification about Li’s involvement, namely the fact that he was spreading a rumour about which he had no authority or expertise to speak about when the medical competent bodies were still studying the nature of the viral infections. He was wrong on both counts anyway: by spreading a rumour and that it was a false rumour. Besides, as far as I remember the sequence of events, by the time the rumour started the medical authorities were about to, or in the cusp of, making a public announcement about the virus.

    It was a minor issue anyway – the fellow was reprimanded, not shot. Why bloviating it out of all proportions?!!! Because the capitalist mass media did it, the Chinese billionaire dit it, and Tony Hall must also do it?

    I also note the tendentious lean of your comment by the crude reference to the Chinese Communist Party as if this issue is a political contest. China has a properly constituted government like any country and a functioning department of health to deal with health issues. The Communist Party has no function to perform here or anywhere in the public administration.

    Your comment suggests only an ignorant or malevolent intention, probably both. Perhaps these are harsh words, possibly meant to impress on you the importance of using language appropriately and properly to be credible.

  20. Anon[310] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve never trusted this Dr.Li story to be honest, it made my internal fake meter go off big time. In fact this whole corona virus issue seems like badly done deep state propaganda. All of the evidence that we have so far, both from the main stream sources like Governments and from the alternative sources like social media is fishy at best. Of course you have some videos where you see people who are genuinely worried and in some cases terrified. But how do we know these people are not simply fooled by the propaganda themselves, or are perhaps deep state actors? We all know how easily people are fooled.

    I’ll be the first to admit that my suspicions are wrong if and when I witness real proof of a pandemic, but as of now, I don’t buy any of it, none, ziltch.

    Now that being said, there is zero doubt that something big is afoot! And that whatever the case may be, it is all being done with extreme intention. That is obvious.
    Whether this op is sinister or not? Well as good book teaches us to do, I’ll judge by the fruits that spring forth once the dust settles.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  21. mcohen says:

    I believe that this particular virus is not a one off but one half of a package that will infect millions before the 2nd half is released.The second half will then reduce the world population significantly.

  22. Nils says:
    @Herr Krupp

    The part that I can’t figure out is if the virus does indeed have a particular ability to target Asians. That would be the link in the various theories about cui bono- especially if this racial preference is rare.

    We also have to keep in mind this could be the calm before the storm. If the US knows what’s going to happen then they want to delay the panic until they can prepare mass action if needed. So the media would not want to invite weaponized contagion discussions.

    However, If the US did this on purpose then I assume they figured it is likely to be attributable over time.

    So what would your next plan be knowing this could happen?

    Either attack outright militarily the enemy you have weakened (did I read PLA medical headquarters is in Wuhan?) or prepare your population for similar asymmetric attacks.

    Which is why forced quarantining even if the Covid19 only goes after Asians make sense- it’s preparing the population for extreme counter attack and probably marshal law.

  23. Thomasina says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around how this young doctor died. It generally hits the elderly hardest, and he was not elderly. Young, healthy lungs?

    When he died, I wondered whether he was just allowed to die. He would have been seen as a liability.

    He is shown lying in his hospital bed, but I don’t see a ventilator. I would think that a young doctor, a very valuable commodity, would have been hooked up to one, possibly even a tracheotomy.

    I find this suspicious. I think they let the guy go.

  24. SafeNow says:

    On February 24, Grassley and other Senators attended a “top-secret” briefing on the coronavirus. Why were there virus “secrets”? What were these? Azar later said that all of the information disclosed was later made public. Maybe. But why entertain the notion of virus “secrets” in the first place? Because the default procedure is control of information; here we go again. This complicates the task of the clown-car CDC, which is in well over its head to begin with.

  25. uradel666 says:

    Coronavirus theme is not the war issue.
    Using the threat of “Coronaviruses” is to exsufflate of the World inflation bloated by International Banking Sector, yet at the same time, it is the “Wall Street project” to prevent the recurrence of 2008 crisis.

  26. @Ron Unz

    Will be putting a link to this comprehensive article on my blog (as I did with the previous one) and also directing readers to your comments. Thank You

    A terrible thing has been done. I came independently to the same conclusions and also warned that China would retaliate. They will bide their time. They are very patient.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  27. Smith says:

    God, another wall of text.

    Perhaps we can do this when we have survived this shit? It’s getting bigger.

  28. This essay is interesting for the contextual background information it provides but should have been presented earlier since it is no longer completely up-to-date. For instance, there are no references to the recent viral outbreaks in Iran and Italy, which have become comparatively severe. Also, though Prof. Boyle is mentioned more than a dozen times, it does not cite the live interview he gave nearly three weeks ago*, in which he stated that he was revising his prior suspicion that the Wuhan coronavirus could have come from stolen material from the Winnipeg lab and was instead almost certain that a key component came from a university lab in North Carolina, which was then enhanced (“gain of function”, another key term not in this essay) in Wuhan to be more “effective” (deadly).

    It would be nice to read a follow-up report that provides revelations pertaining to more recent developments regarding this topic. Surely the hundreds of deaths in Europe in the past weeks could not possibly have been primarily of eastern Asiatic victims, so if this is basically still the same virus that initially emerged in Wuhan, it was likely not designed to be race-specific. This is yet another indication that would tend to invalidate the conjecture about an intentional release by American operatives during the time of the Wuhan military games. (See link below regarding this debate in the comments.)

    * See my comments in a parallel thread for the interview links (video and transcript) provided:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/who-made-coronavirus-was-it-the-u-s-israel-or-china-itself/

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Alter
  29. @Thomasina

    I’ve asked my Chinese friends to look into Dr. Li’s death and will get back to you if they turn up anything.

    There have been at least 18 reported deaths of medical workers involved in the COVID-19 response as of Monday, including nurses and doctors who died–not because of infection but because of cardiac arrest or other ailments due to overwork and fatigue. One was hit by a car while taking temperatures on a highway.

    The most recent were three doctors who died in one day, all infected with COVID-19. One of them, Xia Sisi, a gastroenterologist in Wuhan, was 29. Another physician, Peng Yinhua, also 29, died in Wuhan of infection on Feb. 20. He had delayed his Feb. 1 wedding, promising his pregnant fiancee they’d have the ceremony after the outbreak had passed.

    Most of the infected medical workers are in Hubei, many of them part of the initial response in Wuhan, when shortages of protective gear, understaffed hospitals and transportation shutdowns collided with an overwhelming number of patients. The stories of doctors and nurses tell of clever improvisation and quiet perseverance in a war against a mysterious virus.

    A doctor in Wuhan told The Times in a phone interview Jan. 29 that 12 out of 59 doctors in his hospital were showing symptoms of the virus, including lung infections — but continued to treat patients while wearing insufficient protective gear.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  30. Quintus says:

    Very nice survey of the competing theories about the origins of the novel coronavirus(es). Professor Hall mentions Israeli Intelligence Dany Shoham drawing attention to the possibility that the virus escaped the Wuhan lab. Hall also mentions, elsewhere in his piece the past anthrax attacks, which were falsely blamed on Al Qaeda and/or Iraq. He does not mention, however, that this very same Dany Shoham had written papers at the time arguing that the anthrax attacks originated in Iraq:

    http://intellit.org/alpha_folder/S_folder/shoham.html

    I’m not taking credit for this important observation: I read it somewhere else this past week. But the fact that the same individual, Dany Shoham, agent of the state of Israel, proved to be guilty of misdirection with the 2001 anthrax attacks, suggests that his finger-pointing at China’s Wuhan lab is yet another instance of misdirection.

    • Agree: Alfred
  31. Surtr says:

    @Ron Unz

    This is a great article. You have great taste in selecting authors. It is exactly articles like this that make me come to your website almost daily now. Thank you so much!
    I suppose I should thank Tony Hall as well for this excellent article!

    ~Surtr

  32. Those whites who insist this is a bioweapon developed by the US, are unwittingly setting themselves up to be consumed by the resultant political whirlwind. Ultimately, they’ll be branded as typically racist whites to be held collectively responsible for the release of a race-specific, or at least racially inclined pathogen.

    • Replies: @getaclue
  33. @Tony Hall

    it is estimated by now that about 100k have been cremated per day.

    That’s 6 million in 60 days. So just Hubei province can achieve in 2 months what many UR commenters believe Germany couldn’t do in 4 years. Damn, those incompetent Germ-ans. They could learn a thing or two from the Chinese.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @CanSpeccy
  34. This just in, from Dr. Emily Landon, University of Chicago Medicine
    https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/prevention-and-screening-articles/wuhan-coronavirus:

    Q. How did the virus come to the United States?

    A. The first known patients in the U.S. contracted the virus while traveling in other countries or after exposure to someone who had been to China or one of the other affected areas. But now, a few cases here cannot be traced to these risk factors. This is concerning because it suggests the illness may be spreading across communities for which the source of infection is unknown, which we call community spread/transmission. We don’t know how severe this will be, but it may cause significant disruptions in our daily lives.

  35. Renoman says:

    Articles this loooong should have a 2 page summary at the top for people not looking in every nook and corner. It’s well done but if you want people to read it ya gotta do this.

  36. @Tony Hall

    According to Chinese billionaire dissident and refugee claimant, Miles Guo (Steve Bannon’s new #1 associate), the mess started with a determination to direct the bioweapon at the Hong Kong protests. In Guo’s reading of events, this plan ran amok as described below.

    https://gnews.org/121595/

    The description of events which Guo claims were meant to happen here in Hong Kong makes no sense at all. Pure fantasy.

    It is beyond comical to state that our useless ‘Chief Executive’ Carrie Lam would EVER have been invited to a meeting with PLA officers where the use of bioweapons was discussed!

    Then, Guo states that the WuFlu virus hit Hong Kong before Wuhan? Local health sector workers here in HK would have spoken out long ago if this were the case. They have been quite vocal during this crisis.

    We have new Liaison Office aparatchiks who are loyal to Emperor Xi, and we are still seeing large numbers of arrests of protesters (and some arrested during raids at their home), but the WuFlu situation is nothing like what Guo stated.

  37. Spanky says:
    @Tony Hall

    “Its time for the global public to demand some accountability from those that make, test and deploy bioweapons. Stop playing so fast and loose with our health, with our lives and with our deaths. Cease and desist. And stop the cover up. There is much malfeasance which must be addressed…” — Tony Hall

    While I wholeheartedly agree that “[t]here is much malfeasance which must be addressed…”, your suggestion that “[i]t’s time for the global public to demand some accountability…” smacks of naive idealistic optimism, especially considering the subject matter.

    After all, what success has the American public had at limiting the US government’s rampage across the globe? Indeed, what success has the world had in limiting that rampage?

    The basic truism for humans is simply this — might makes right. All other considerations are secondary.

  38. Sean says:

    Elites in US and China are so intertwined that the nature of the dirty tricks, if dirty tricks have been taking place, might be far more complex that a simple nation vs nation conflict with one aggressor only.

    The dominant elite in the US is an economic one (Wall St) and while Western hypercapitalism is dependent on the continuation of China’s commercial success, there is only one elite in China and that is the Communist Party of China. The decisions taken by Xi are taken in his capacity as the Chairman of the CPU rather than President of China,

    China has been quite careful not to alarm the American Deep State, which consists of old men still worried about Russia, and in thrall to the Israel lobby. The idea of people in Langley and the Pentagon getting together to mount a bioweapon attack on China is laughable.

    • Replies: @Johan
  39. @Thomasina

    Found it!

    “On December 30, 2019, Dr. Li Wenliang took the lead in disclosing the relevant information about unknown pneumonia on WeChat group, and was forwarded by the screenshot. On January 3, he was warned and cautioned by the police, saying that he posted false statements on the Internet.

    “Later in the course of work, after receiving patients with new coronavirus pneumonia, Li Wenliang was infected with new coronavirus pneumonia, and his parents and colleagues were also infected.
    “I started to have cough symptoms on January 10th, fever was on the 11th, and I was hospitalized on the 12th.” “I have not been revoked my license. Please rest assured that I will actively cooperate with the treatment and strive to be discharged early!”

    “On Weibo, I recorded the whole process from posting a message, being instructed to being infected, and being hospitalized.

    But the sick are so tenacious. From the late night of February 6 to the early morning of February 7, Li Wenliang was dying. News about his situation has also gone through several processes of “sickness-rescue-sickness-rescue”.

    “Wen Liang doesn’t wake up, we don’t sleep.” Netizens commented on the Weibo of Wuhan Central Hospital.

    In the end, Li Wenliang fell on the night of the strong wind in Wuhan. A miracle that didn’t happen

    Late at night on February 6, a news about Li Wenliang’s death caused great concern. Since the outbreak of new coronavirus pneumonia, Li Wenliang is an iconic character. Hearing this false news that he hopes to be “rumor making”. Around 23:00, the official Weibo of Wuhan University released information about the death of alumnus Li Wenliang. The World Health Organization also tweeted in memory of Li Wenliang’s death, saying “we all need to remember everything he did for 2019nCoV.”http://m.hxnews.com/news/gn/gnxw/202002/08/1857939.shtml

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  40. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Those whites who insist this is a bioweapon developed by the US, are unwittingly setting themselves up to be consumed by the resultant political whirlwind. Ultimately, they’ll be branded as typically racist whites to be held collectively responsible for the release of a race-specific, or at least racially inclined pathogen.

    I think a lot of people here are leaning towards USrael— developed in Fort Derrick and Haifa. Mainly because it is highly suspicious that a high number of the victims in Iran were members of the government and in China it struck the center of technology and transportation. Also, the neocons have been ramping up their rhetoric* against China specifically due to China’s increasing technological role in the Middle East and relationship with Iran. Israel operatives were most likely behind its dissemination because they have a history of committing brazen homicidal acts for their own narrow interests.

    * https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1236503795603058689?s=20

    • Replies: @Anon
  41. In my opinion, coronavirus is a bioweapon aimed at China and indirectly at Iran.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  42. ValMonde says:
    @Tony Hall

    Its time for the global public to demand some accountability from those that make, test and deploy bioweapons.

    You may as well demand that the Zionist-controlled US government comes clean about 9/11. Or that they drop their G_d-chosen pretense. A little naive at best.

  43. In the Northern hemisphere it’s the seasonal flu season which usually runs from September to April . Presently there is no accurate or reliable test for COVID-19 in the field, therefore aren’t most of the alleged cases of Coronavirus just cases of the flu?

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  44. Chinese scientists have just published a study finding that the coronavirus appears to be of natural origin.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181938.shtml

    • Replies: @Alfred
  45. Again, the 800 lb gorilla in the room that is never mentioned. More fear porn without any answers.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @davethek
  46. @Godfree Roberts

    My wife is Chinese and keeping daily tabs on what is going on there.

    Bottom line: these doctors in China are heroes, working their asses off nearly round the clock. They are in the front lines, severely over-worked and ultra stressed out trying to save the lives of their fellow countrymen. If there is a recipe for a young person with no other risk factors to become susceptible to the virus, this is it.

    Although I hope so, I wonder if our doctors here in America would be so fearless and patriotic to undergo the rigors and risks these Chinese doctors are doing, especially if it was without substantial ‘hazard pay’ above their already very generous remunerations.

    Let’s hope we don’t have to find out…..

  47. I do think there has been too much panic about this virus.

    Things to keep in mind.

    China does appear to have passed the peak of infections and with large numbers of recoveries. They made a huge and costly effort.

    The infection is mild for many.

    The death rate seems quite low.

    And again, every flu season tens of thousands die, and there isn’t a story about them.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
  48. Hempus says:

    Tony Hall’s article remains me on the story of the Iraq “whistleblower”
    Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi also called “Curveball”,
    and how the Cia weaponised this story and forced Colin Powell to make a famous speech at the UN.

    Fabricated informations which lead to the Iraq war after the 911 / “war on terror” promises of G.W. Bush

    I hope anybody remembers the conclusion which the CDC, on advice of Mr Gallo made when there was a mysterious high rate of gay people death in San Francisco and New York…..blamed on a new discovered HIVirus

    Nobel price laureate Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR method was in a highly sophisticated fight with the theory “HIV causes AIDS” which brought him later the title: AIDS denier on Wiki.
    I guess this is something like a holocaust denier.

    Fact is that mainly older people die.
    The Zero Ground of death is there.
    If those criminal HIV or Covid-19 tests would have been made first in old people homes or in badly run concentration camps …you could easily make a theory that those people die because they catched a deadly virus.
    (after they have been tested HIV positive or Covid-19 positive there)

    It is an old war strategy camouflaged as medical science, based on the promises of a fictious almighty god who will spill the ten menaces on those nations who are in resistance against the chosen people to establish their promised land.

    The mutation of this plot is in full blossom and one string is leaded and financed by vaccination pope Bill Gates.

    This virus is not new! It is just newly discovored. Its probaly just a marker like the worms in a dead body. But not the wormes caused the death of this body!

    The “spread” of this virus is a nonsense.
    The only epidemic is the forced spread of a dubious antibody test!

  49. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I think a lot of people here are leaning towards USrael— developed in Fort Derrick and Haifa.

    Sorry, Fort Detrick (autocorrect).

    Since the death toll* has not been commensurate with the scare propaganda— completely disproportionate— something else seems to be behind the propaganda. Either it was seized upon for political and/or geostrategic purposes or it is a bio-weapon and its source let it be known through back channels that this is DEFCON-1 level serious.

    *The worldwide death toll from 3 years of the Coronavirus-SARS in the early to mid-2000’s was equivalent to the number of death in 3 days of the flu in the U.S. As someone else posted here, on the worst day for coronavirus (02/10/20) there were 108 deaths from Coronavirus in China. Meanwhile on that same day there where 450 deaths from the flu in the U.S. On that day there were more deaths from snakebites than Coronavirus.

  50. Alfred says:
    @John Chuckman

    Chinese scientists have just published a study finding that the coronavirus appears to be of natural origin.

    The Chinese, like the Russians, see no point in accusing outright the USA or Israel. Russia could easily make a big thing of MH-17 because it was so obviously not a ground to air missile. But they chose not to.

    When these accusations are made, it leads to war – because that is the objective of the USA in both instances.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  51. @secondElijah

    China will most likely NOT retaliate. It is not their way of doing things. Let me explain.

    My wife is Chinese. She has many relatives back there. They are all very intelligent and very hard working, and very successful. They all agree: China will not retaliate.

    Instead, China will learn another terrible lesson about the West. The US has launched previous bioweapon attacks against China and Korea, and China did not ‘retaliate’. Japan used the Chinese in horrific experiments via infamous Dr Ishii and his utterly evil “Unit 731”, and the Chinese did not ‘retaliate’. It is really not in their nature to respond that way. It is the Western way to retaliate, even where the evidence is non-existent and sometimes, utterly manufactured (9/11 and Afghanistan/Iraq.)

    What the Chinese are doing is exactly what they should be doing: quickly learning and growing stronger from this tragedy.

    They are learning how to respond to a real potential pandemic, and they are winning.

    They are learning how to best work with their peoples in such a severe and tragic circumstance, and they are winning.

    They are learning that the best way forward is to not point fingers and accuse, but to simply work towards defeating the problem as quickly as possible, and showing the world through their example that their system is effective and responsive. And they are winning.

    The MSM of the West will do its utmost to blacken the reputation of the Chinese in every way imaginable, no matter how the Chinese respond. But the Chinese will simply move forward towards achieving their goals of protecting their peoples and defeating the virus as soon as possible. And they will win.

    The Chinese are proving very adaptive, resourceful and resilient to the West’s various methods of doing hybrid warfare. They are proving to be an admirable example of Nietzsche’s famous maxim: “That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.”

    And so I must wonder what provocations the evil geniuses of the West will do next, knowing that the response of the Chinese will be intelligent, organized, efficient and effective.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @anon
    , @d dan
    , @Parfois1
    , @anon
  52. Corona virus? Jews will buy up all Chinese stocks.
    Very simple explanation.

  53. A123 says:

    If this was an attack, “Why choose this virus?”

    COVID-19 has a long incubation period and it is easy to spread. Additionally, patients have been cured (stopped showing symptoms), released from medical care, and then had a relapse. Trying to use quarantined to stop the spread is unlikely to be effective.

    A national actor wanting to target China would would select a weapon that could be contained in China thus protecting their own citizens. Intentionally choosing this virus makes no sense. Almost any other choice would be better.

    Why would any nation deliberately release COVID-19 when it is near 100% certain to escape globally?
    _____

    Could this be a non-state attack?

    There are certainly death cults and terrorist groups that would be willing to try a bioweapon attack. And, as the target is everyone, terrorists would intentionally choose COVID-19.

    Releasing a virus in China while U.S. soldiers are present could trigger a nuclear war between the U.S. and China. The hysteria from a global pandemic would serve their ends, and starting a nuclear war would be a bonus.

    Do any of them have the means?

    PEACE 😇

  54. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    No, Chinese are cowards who pick and choose when to retaliate. If it was a small Asian neighbor that
    harmed China in any way, they would launch a harsh campaign against that country. But Chinese
    have an inferiority complex towards Westerners, so they will just take it all in stride. And thats why Western powers become emboldened to do more and more, rinse and repeat. China is the largest cuck nation on Earth.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  55. Alter says:

    Very biased article, full of lies…

  56. Alter says:
    @AnonFromBeijing

    I completely agree. Well said.

  57. Alter says:
    @Parfois1

    Excellent comment. This must be said. Well done.

  58. @Commentator Mike

    A cremation expert testified at in the Zundel trials, stating that modern gas fired cremations took about 4 hours per cycle. There may be some improvement on that in the last 30 years. One crematorium in Wuhan was said to have been cremating hundreds per day in a 20 muffle facility. Whether Germany or China, the numbers are bullshit.

    • Agree: L.K
  59. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    That’s 6 million in 60 days.

    Yes, with this article the Ron Unz has jumped the shark.

  60. d dan says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    “And so I must wonder what provocations the evil geniuses of the West will do next, knowing that the response of the Chinese will be intelligent, organized, efficient and effective.”

    Great comment. What the evil geniuses will do next will include calling Chinese cowards in order to provoke a response. See the anon that responds to your comment:

    “No, Chinese are cowards who pick and choose when to retaliate. If it was a small Asian neighbor that harmed China in any way, they would launch a harsh campaign against that country. But Chinese have an inferiority complex towards Westerners, so they will just take it all in stride. And thats why Western powers become emboldened to do more and more, rinse and repeat. China is the largest cuck nation on Earth.”

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  61. “There are 400K incinerators having been deployed throughout China. The manufacturer has got an order for an additional one million incinerators”. — Guo

    That comes roughly to one incinerator per thousand Chinese. Are they the special “one-use” disposable models I’ve been reading so much about in the media?

  62. A tight set of right-wing activists and agencies with deep-rooted antipathies to Chinese communism

    Right wing? Antipathies to communism? Like say, normal people who are not leftist nuts?

  63. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    The idea that East Asians are particularly vulnerable to coronavirus seems to have been thoroughly disproven. Both Italy and Iran have a higher death rate than any East Asian nation, and many East Asians nations have much lower case numbers.

  64. Liza says:

    Burning pigs alive in China – is this real or not?

    • Replies: @Alter
    , @Johnny Walker Read
  65. @Mustapha Mond

    I wonder if our doctors here in America would be so fearless and patriotic to undergo the rigors and risks these Chinese doctors are doing

    I don’t know about America but in Ireland they have put medical staff into self-isolation after contact with a sick patient. If this policy spreads who will be left to care for the sick and fight the virus?

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Coronavirus-100-staff-self-isolating-at-Cork-University-Hospital-Up-to-19m-could-catch-virus-nationally-f97c712b-3a90-4b44-a3a4-7ead50033cb1-ds

    Yes, Chinese doctors are heroes! The Irish ones …?

    • Replies: @TKK
  66. Che Guava says:

    There was neveph a Chineise revolition, any mnre than there was a Rusrian. Stalihn ordered fnrces into Manchukuo, in line with the agreement at yalta, and set vp a safe space for thd CPC.

    It ir a iittle of a joke, in comparison with the lier of the CPC.

    Almost of the figting against Japanese empiire was by the nationalistr

  67. Like 9/11 is the massmedia complicit in the coronavirus psyop ? See:”The power of imagery and the central role of the news media on 9/11 “ spetemberclues.info
    “The media and the State fan Coronavirus hysteria” northbethesdamagazine.com
    Cui bono? Before 9/11 insiders were short selling airline stocks ,see “Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 illusion : The 9/11 short- selling financial scam” globalresearch.ca .If you were an insider and had knowledge that the Coronavirus hyped outbreak was about to begin and you knew when the hype was about to end you could make a killing in the market . With the market crashing today and many participants getting wiped out by margin calls ,will the insiders be getting the buy signal soon ?As Ben Bernanke is said to have admitted the 1929 crash was engineered .Is the 2020 crash also being engineered by the hysteria created by the massmedia , after all 6 corporations own and control 90% of the media, if not more , and they are directly linked to Wall Street , the Federal Reserve , the Council on Foreign Relations and the twelve commercial Central Banks that own the Fed ,which in turn is owned by the 8 to 12 billionaire families that control and own most of the World’s assets. See :”The Federal Reserve is PRIVATELY owned “ facts-are-facts.com

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Alter
  68. TKK says:
    @Commentator Mike

    In America, you are on your own.

    At international arrivals in Atlanta, the overwhelmingly black TSA staff are not taking temps by infrared or taking any pro active measures. If they are, it was hidden from me. It seems- obtuse- to constantly harp on the catastrophe that is AA hires- but there it is.

    Its the busiest airport in the world, BTW.

    A sinister side note; Delta offered me an $83 upgrade for first class when I went in to delay another trip. It’s a $6000 ticket to fly first class. My total would have been a little over $500. Dangling the carrot as everyone cancels.

    One day, Americans will fully understand , with horrible consequences,that not every single human transaction must revolve around making a few people obscenely rich.

  69. Alter says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    I agree. The sudden closure (August 2019) of the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) facility at Fort Detrick, Maryland, was not mentioned, despite its connections with the Wuhan lab.

    “…USAMRIID has a decades-old and close partnership with the University of Wuhan’s Institute of Medical Virology, which is located in the epicenter of the current outbreak.”

    Bats, Gene Editing and Bioweapons: Recent Darpa Experiments Raise Concerns Amid Coronavirus Outbreak
    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

  70. Alter says:
    @Liza

    This is indeed tragic… Should the government keep them alive, contaminating the rest of the pigs and causing the complete extermination of pigs in the country and probably neighbouring countries as well? Would the virus spread to other species or to humans? This brutal killing of the poor pigs may be the only solution… Terribly sad… I wish I had not seen it.

    • Replies: @Liza
  71. denk says:

    The relationship of this pandemic to internal disagreements within China has been put on full display in Steve Bannon’s coverage of the crisis entitled War Room: Pandemic. A prominent member of US President Donald Trump’s inner circle, Steve Bannon is often accompanied on the daily show by Chinese billionaire dissident, Miles Guo (aka Guo Wengui, Miles Haoyun, Miles Kwok)

    .

    You mean Chinese billionaire fugitive, wanted in China for fraud, embezzlement and…… rape…

    Guo is an outspoken Chinese refugee. He is a persistent critic of virtually every facet of the policies and actions of the Chinese Communist Party.

    Some refugee !

    ‘outspoken critic of CCP

    I’d presume that ‘political exiles’ like Guo’s well being in the [[[Washington cesspool]]] depends on his performance as an ‘outspoken former insider’ ?

    HEHEHHE

  72. Alter says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    The link goes to an unsafe site…

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  73. Kati says:

    Coincidence, just listened today an interview from last year which touched the link EMF – virus/influenza

    Arthur Firstenberg details the correlation of the first and successive worldwide influenza epidemics with the global installation and use of electricity—first, telegraph wires, then electric lighting, and then cell phones.

    This is the second part of a 4 part interview, its sure interesting and makes oneself link wuhans 5G and covid-19 again, on that topic also Dr. Devra Davis who is already almost 2 decades fighting EMF.
    Some presentations are on youtube, she shows link between EMF and weakening the blood brain barrier too, esp with pulsed EMF.

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Tor597
  74. Investigative journalist Jon Rappoport stated that death by itself does not equal coronavirus, and that the word ‘death’ is being matched with the virus to make people believe in lethal outbreaks. He analyzed the nine deaths in Washington state and revealed that the body count included “presumed” coronavirus deaths that could have other causes. It is unknown whether the people who died were treated with toxic anti-viral drugs or whether they had preexisting lung conditions.

    https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/patient-deaths-are-deployed-to-sell-the-coronavirus-story/

  75. Liza says:
    @Alter

    Who said to let the pigs live and contaminate the rest of the bunch?

    When they had to kill a bunch of cows during some disease or other (Mad Cow?) about a dozen years ago, they hired sharpshooters from the army to get it over and done with. They didn’t fkg burn and bury them alive.

    Does anyone here understand the difference?

    I have seen a video of Chinese burning an animal alive (to eat) – I think it was a dog – right in the street and nobody gave a damn, just walked past. And it is no lie that they eat aborted fetuses.

    May Corona or whatever you call it inundate China.

  76. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Even the Chinese and Iranians clearly don’t believe the virus is a US bioweapon, that seems to be nothing but a very fringe theory confined to sites like this.

    People who say that are basically saying that China, a country of 1.3 billion and regards itself as a superpower, is so weak and ineffectual that they would rather let the US/the West slaughter their own people than dare risk a confrontation.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  77. @Liza

    Uhhhh, They are killing the pigs due to swine flu. And yes it is quite the brutal method..

  78. utu says:
    @Liza

    There is a mass shooting of cattle with hoof-and-mouth infection in 1963 film Hud with Paul Newman.

  79. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    Now that being said, there is zero doubt that something big is afoot! And that whatever the case may be, it is all being done with extreme intention. That is obvious.
    Whether this op is sinister or not? Well as good book teaches us to do, I’ll judge by the fruits that spring forth once the dust settles.

    How about “recession”? Hard one.

    Say, for the sake of conversation, that “they” realized sometime in the middle of 2019 that, in order to preserve the current paradigm, “market correction” was necessary. And, it has to be done in a way that masses don’t get any funny ideas about the paradigm itself. Or the rulers of it.
    Or, in practical terms: lay off tons of people, make them lose their property/savings/whatever…pretty much crash their lives…BUT…that’s not because “we” are too greedy and the system is rigged. People could get…unmanageable.
    The crash must not point to “us” or the system itself.

    Enter the virus.

    Now….when the masses do lose their jobs, property, homes…etc….they’ll blame the virus, not “us” or the system. They’ll blame CPP too. Nice.
    And, even better: all those controls we impose to …ahm…control the pandemic…will be handy to handle those who don’t go with the program. For example..hehe…we won’t have any mass protests.
    Deplatforming will work for Internet.

    All good.
    For “us”, of course.

    So, re “I’ll judge by the fruits that spring forth ” probably “grapes” from the Steinbeck novel. Some version of it anyway.

    Something like

    Coronavirus theme is not the war issue.
    Using the threat of “Coronaviruses” is to exsufflate of the World inflation bloated by International Banking Sector, yet at the same time, it is the “Wall Street project” to prevent the recurrence of 2008 crisis.

    Not prevent. Manage.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  80. @d dan

    Hi d dan-

    Thanks for the compliment.

    You know, that’s what is so great about The Unz Review, we can all express our opinions openly.

    I saw anon’s response, and it was civil and respectful although he strongly disagreed with what I said. No problem. In fact, I welcome it. Because it was not disrespectful to the OP, i.e, me. If he wishes to believe the Chinese are cowards, that’s for him to decide. I had my say, and he had his.

    I get upset when people call each other names like “idiot!”, “moron!” and the like. But these are very emotional issues we are facing, and so emotions spill out. That’s why anon’s response is fine by me.

    But I like your response much, much better! 🙂

    Thanks again!

    MM

  81. Just FYI, any article that uses epoch times as a legitimate source gets on my shit list. This alone knocks the quality of the article down a few degrees. Like going from B all the way down to D or lower.

  82. @Kati

    Agree, get the book Under an Ionized Sky: From Chemtrails to Space Fence Lock Down by Elana Freeland, can be had on amazon.com and her website is elanafreeland.com.

    Also go to the site stopthecrime.net and click on the headline that takes you to her youtube channel and watch the 2 hr video, Deborah Tevaras; Illuminati Global Control.

    Also go to veteranstoday.com and scroll down to the headline L0s Angeles, Chemtrail attack, is this how they plan to get rid of us.

  83. Finishing the article, this was a really good attempt at a paint job.

    Only on unz can you read articles with opposing views on a given subject. Just wish this one was of higher quality. Paint job or not.

    Is the author on the same payroll as epoch times? Just curious.

  84. @Anonymous

    Less than 400 million people in China are of fighting age.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  85. Anonymous[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @Liza

    When they had to kill a bunch of cows during some disease or other (Mad Cow?) about a dozen years ago, they hired sharpshooters from the army to get it over and done with. They didn’t fkg burn and bury them alive.

    Does anyone here understand the difference?

    Burying, baking, drowning, gassing etc. animals alive during outbreaks are methods used in the US and promoted by the US Department of Agriculture and the American Veterinary Medical Association:

    “The American Veterinary Medical Association has proposed to allow killing by the most gruesome methods, including baking and burying animals alive.”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bird-flu-is-back-and-so-is-the-inhumane-killing-of_b_5915f824e4b02d6199b2eebc

    Birds exposed to even mild strains of bird flu are typically ordered to be killed by federal and/or state agricultural officials. The most common methods used to “depopulate” flocks are carbon dioxide gas (for killing caged egg-laying hens) and water-based foam (for killing floor-reared chickens and turkeys). Both methods are known to be stressful to animals and can lead to a prolonged time until death.

    Following the 2015 outbreak, the U.S. Department of Agriculture approved the use of an even more inhumane method—ventilation shutdown—where producers turn off the ventilation system to remove airflow and turn up the heat to 100-120 degrees Fahrenheit. The birds die from heat stress, after experiencing what is likely to be extreme suffering for up to three hours. This truly gruesome method of killing animals has not been sanctioned by any veterinary authority.

    Until now.

    In January, the American Veterinary Medical Association released draft guidelines for the depopulation of animals that include ventilation shutdown. Because the USDA generally relies on the AVMA for guidance, it is likely these guidelines will determine the methods to be used to kill animals for future disease outbreaks. Not only do the guidelines allow the ventilation shutdown method to kill birds, they also permit live burial of birds and the use of ventilation shutdown for the killing of pigs.

    • Replies: @Liza
  86. Will post a link to this article on my other blog. What gets me though is this: why Iran? Which gets me thinking–was Iran targeted so that many would blame this whole thing on Israel, or the Mossad-CIA? This article speaks of a lot of truth, but I want the whole truth and wonder if it will ever come out.

  87. GeeBee says:
    @Herr Krupp

    ‘Hitler just invaded Poland and you’re a good German. Your Nazis are going to lose. When you crawl out of the rubble you better have something to say for yourself.’

    Oh dear. Your post was so promising until you let slip that you too are addicted to the Kool-Aid…

  88. The length of this piece accompanied by the levels of bullshit shoveled into the public info trough, makes it impossible for me to read it. So, why comment, right? Well, for the public good. What if the corona virus is nothing other than the flu? And what if the real virus is the information being spread 24/7 via the TUBE.
    Some undisputed facts: Average age of those who died from the corona virus is 84. The number of pre-existing conditions each fatality suffered from in conjunction with the virus is 3. But, that’s information isn’t shared by the major networks. It’s hidden. The news today announced 2 deaths in NY state. 3 in Oregon etc. Miniscule numbers, to be sure. 90,000 cases world wide. Well, isn’t that to be expected on any given day, and especially during flu season. We’re speaking of 0.0000128571429 of the worlds population, questionably has this particular virus.
    The fact that new cases with no known source of exposure are popping up everywhere around the planet, is telling. It is beginning to look like the common cold.
    I’m going to propose a ‘conspiracy’ theory. Here in the states the CDC does not test for it. If you have the flu and are unfortunate to die while infected then you are a coronavirus statistic. Kind of like if you die from lung cancer and are a smoker, you cause of death was cigarettes. But what of the many who don’t smoke yet also die from lung cancer? Well, don’t ask.
    My daughter and grandson recently had a cold. Both went to their doctor, and were told they had a virus. I asked what tests were done. None. OK, what virus do you have? He didn’t say. I asked, isn’t it strange that during this time of epidemic you weren’t tested for ncov19? I say, there isn’t a test for this virus. It’s all bullshit, sold to US by the same creeps who implanted into our psyche; airplanes that defied physics on that fine September morning 19 years ago.

  89. A facility built with help of the French in Wuhan … western countries are climbing over each other to get into the bed with the inscrutable Chinese … the chinaman could not do it on his own, notwithstanding claims to the contrary.

    • Replies: @utu
  90. @Anonymous

    The massive outbreaks (and apparently large death tolls that have been covered up) in Wuhan and Qom suggest the deliberate spread of biological agent. This could explain the frantic efforts to disinfect large areas. The Jews don’t have limits, and they cannot tolerate the terminal guidance technology being transferred to Iran. The choices of Wuhan and Qom are symbolic. A milder strain released on cruise ships and nursing homes (what can account for the massive rate of infection on a cruise ship where people know the disease is spreading and are taking precautions?) that spreads but with far less lethality to the general public would be required to cover up a biological attack.

    The fact is that the Zionist Occupied Government / Intelligence Agencies under Demon Pig Pompeo have no one to blame but themselves for falling under suspicion. Trump’s impression of mental retardation being upset about the stock market and the insistence that there is little threat from the virus could come from complacency born of knowledge from what was done. The sadistic glee in the propaganda being spread about Wuhan and Qom suggests a coordinated propaganda campaign and an intense interest in surveillance of the effects of their satanic handiwork.

  91. getaclue says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    Yes– I also find it amazing where no one knows what is up — given the facility in Wuhan etc. and the other evidence at issue — that what I see here is exactly that also — amazing. Imputed to the ChiComs is all sort of wonderfulness and good intentions (based on their track record? Plenty of minority groups over there don’t seem to share in same….) not so much to anyone else…the amount of pro-ChiCom cheer leading here is fascinating to watch….They are big promoters of the Globalist NWO and obviously that is real popular here with many who have discovered this site now….

  92. utu says:
    @the grand wazoo

    Doctors successfully dealt with viruses before they knew what viruses are and before they could detect them. Even now people are treated first before being diagnosed like for instance in case of rabies. Once a rabies infection is established, there’s no effective treatment.

  93. @Thomasina

    My thoughts exactly. It’s a mysterious death. And, what do we really know? Is the doctor really dead? Did he even exist? Everything about this virus, from: bodies dropping dead in front of cameras, pictures of stacked body bags, and the level of media coverage, tells me it’s a made for TV psyop. We’re dealing with the common cold, mixed with disinformation. Now the why escapes me. I’ll wait until November to reason why.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Thomasina
  94. utu says:
    @Really No Shit

    Time will come when Americans will be begging China to establish assembly plants in the US just as they begged Japan in 1980s. Still a lot of people believe there is a certainje ne sais quoi about cars assembled in Japan that makes them better than the same built in the US.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Really No Shit
  95. @the grand wazoo

    This just shows that the zionist controlled deep state can get the people to believe the unbelievable.

  96. @Anonymous

    I don’t know what the truth of the matter is, but a superpower like US is certainly more capable of launching this kind of bioattack on China than it is for some Arabs in a cave in Afghanistan to bring down the WTC and attack the Pentagon in US.

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
    , @Parfois1
  97. Apologies if this has already been referenced but this seems to shed a rather different light on the problem of where covid-19 came from: https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

    It is only speculation on my part, but taking this Global Research article as being factual, I would suggest that it is possible that the virus escaped from Fort Dettrick around the time it was closed down or shortly before. Having escaped, it then spread in the USA and mutated. The deaths caused being attributed to ‘flu. A member of the team that went to the World Military Games in Wuhan who was infected but symptomless, infected people, possibly in the Fish Market and then returned home unaware of what he had done. This would account for the fact that the Chinese outbreak has type-C mutations while people in other countries have other mutations and the USA has all five mutations. It would also account for the apparent fact that the US has made almost no (or no) preparations for this epidemic. Possibly, subsequent to the outbreak in China, Iran was attacked with a different modification which is more deadly for them. The thinking being that the outbreak in Iran could be blamed on people coming from China. This is evidently not the case as they have a different mutation.

  98. @Commentator Mike

    In particular, a government occupied by hostile entities who are more than willing to sacrifice gentile seniors in nursing homes. Seeing as they have absolutely no loyalty whatsoever to the American people.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  99. @Liza

    Ah yes, the “learned hate” for the Chinese is going great. Reminds me how I was taught to hate Muslims after 9/11, even though I had never met one.
    https://nextshark.com/coronavirus-fans-racism-and-xenophobia-towards-asians-but-it-also-happened-120-years-ago/

    • Agree: annamaria
  100. @the grand wazoo

    I think that could be possible, but if this was just an outbreak of the regular flu then the figures for morbidity and mortality would be far greater than what is being reported. The numbers for this coronavirus are inconsequential when compared to those for the seasonal incidence of influenza. But it is a concern that they may be misdiagnosing some of the reported cases.

  101. They launch a new virus-boogeyman on us about every 12 to 18 months. This one is overdue.

    Because they follow the same patterns of propaganda each time, I knew they were about to spring another virus-boogeyman on us two and a half weeks prior to the “outbreak.

    If this were a real outbreak of any consequence, they’d be telling us the opposite of what they are currently telling us: “There’s nothing to worry about. Return to your desks.” Instead they seem determined to alarm. And then there is the fact that nothing is going on in the region of the world with close ties to China, and much poverty and many crowded and filthy cities: South and Southeast Asia. Mexico city?! And Vancouver, BC, and San Francisco have many more ethnic Chinese and much deeper connections to China than Seattle.

    Adding it all up, and factoring in their prior lies and gaslighting, one should ignore the fear they seek to instill, and instead search for their agenda(s), the motivation for their latest virus-boogeyman.

    The chief agenda for this virus-boogeyman appears to be the propping up of the American economy until they have kicked off their war with Iran. They were losing their ability to manage the fallout from their plundering, and so needed something to hide behind while they reconfigure things. Now they have something to blame any pain and misery on, and an excuse for the strong dollar (lowering of price-inflation) and collapse of oil prices (Ditto.) Oh, and of course, more grabs of wealth and power from We the People.

    The US Tyranny’s coming war with and destruction of Iran (Will involve the use of nuclear weapons) is up next. Keep loved ones of draft age close.

    Boo! The virus gonna get ya!

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  102. @the grand wazoo

    Are you President Trump’s press secretary?

  103. @the grand wazoo

    Agree with your analysis , it’s amazing how the massmedia is reporting over 100,000 cases of Coronavirus when there is presently no accurate or reliable test for COVID-19 in the field. Interesting news out of China : “Why is Coronavirus receding in China?”spectator.com [UK}
    “There is good reason to wonder whether there is a natural element to the decline of COVID-19 in China .We know that other viral illnesses such as the flu tend to fall back when Spring arrives …Hubei Province ,the seat of the disease ,is in the centre of the country where Spring arrives a little ahead of when it arrives in Britain …We are still being fed worst-case scenarios where 80% of Britons catch the disease and 100,000 0f us die from it .There is NOTHING in the Chinese experience to suggest that this is remotely possible.” When will the massmedia in the US end its “fear porn” about the outbreak?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  104. @the grand wazoo

    Oh the grand wazoo there you go thinking for yourself again. The Lügenpresse and their controllers will not be happy about that.

  105. @Alter

    I have gone to all the links I listed several times without a problem , I use a Chromebook running Chrome OS .

  106. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @JohnPlywood

    Less than 400 million people in China are of fighting age.

    Which is six times as many as in the US.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  107. Shaman911 says:

    The Freemasons of the planet, Counsel on Foreign Relations, Tri-Lateral Commission, Jewish Bankers, Bohemian Grove members, Fort Dietrich, Plum Island, Area 51, and of coarse the Aliens running the planet.

  108. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Wasn’t the author alarmed by the audacity of content of the alleged speech? Who actually made available the speech in 2005? Wasn’t it The Epoch Times, the press organ of Falun Gong? Imo, the speech does not pass the smell test to be authentic. It is a psyop.

    Hmmm… Since the article was so extremely long, I’d only read the beginning, then lightly skimmed the remainder. But now that I’ve taken a somewhat closer look, it does seem to present some *exceptionally* implausible elements.

    I suspect the author is quite sincere, but extremely gullible, tending to blindly absorb whatever conspiracy-nonsense he finds somewhere on the Internet.

    Unfortunately, lots of conspiracy-theorists have difficulty distinguishing between plausible analysis and pure crackpottery.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Tony Hall
  109. @anon

    Oh, yes? Consider the degree of conflict by Chinese when not unified. And after 1949 consider the Korean War where the Chinese effectively defeated the Americans.

  110. Liza says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I know about those things. The hiring of rifle men to kill cows with mad cow disease was done in England.

  111. For those taking these things seriously:

    The English are feeling the pinch in relation to the recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, the level may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” 

    The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. 

    The virus has been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

    The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s Get the Bastard.” They don’t have any other levels This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

    The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.

    Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.” 

    The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.” 

    Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

    The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

    Australia, meanwhile, has raised its alert level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far, no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @NoseytheDuke
    , @Parfois1
  112. peterAUS says:
    @Jay Johnson

    …..needed something to hide behind while they reconfigure things. Now they have something to blame any pain and misery on….

    ….Oh, and of course, more grabs of wealth and power from We the People…..

    Yep.

  113. vinteuil says:
    @Ron Unz

    As of right now, I haven’t seen any solid evidence that the coronavirus is a bioweapon. But let’s assume that it is…

    Paging Gregory Cochran…

  114. Big Daddy says:

    One day a few years ago a biolab in one of the USA’s biowar sites decided to clean things up. An astounded clerk fished up a bottle at the bottom of a freezer that said “Anthrax” and it was. A deadly strain that had sat at the bottom of the freezer for 20 YEARS!

    No further comment necessary.

  115. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Unfortunately, lots of conspiracy-theorists have difficulty distinguishing between plausible analysis and pure crackpottery.

    This is a challenge and there is no simple recipe where to place the line between what is plausible and pure crackpottery in the realm of conspiracy theories particularly when expert provocateurs are at work in generating provocations and fake news.

    It seems that Gen. Chi Haotian speech did not get any traction in the MSM however John Derbyshire in National Review took it on face value:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/sino-fascism-john-derbyshire/
    The authenticity of the piece needs addressing. The Epoch Times is a Falun Gong publication and its journalistic standards have been questioned. I take the speech to be authentic just on general grounds. I.e. that is how old Party warhorses–like my father-in-law–tend to talk.

    which may mean that John Derbyshire was in the business of promulgating it at that point of his life. Otoh I found a reasonable voice:

    https://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2011/02/is-us-targeting-china-is-china.html
    Do I believe that this speech is genuine? Of course not.

    I know hoaxes. I collect hoaxes the way some people collect pepper mills. In my considered opinion, this thing has that familiar Protocols of Zion reek perfuming every word.

    Most hoaxers lack subtlety. They don’t know when to quit. In the real world, bad guys don’t rub their hands together while giving public harangues on The Importance of Being Evil. If Chi Haotian ever did give such a speech, he would surely do so behind closed doors — in a forum inaccessible to western electronic eavesdroppers, and certainly inaccessible to any Boxun journalists.

    The target for this hoax would appear to be the citizens of the United States. Someone at Boxun — or someone using Boxun as a conduit — wants to foment hatred of China.

    Here is an example of a real case of fake news generator who apparently was doing it for money he would get by attracting people to his websites (which I doubt this is the whole truth) who found that people on the right (alt-right) were particularly easy to fool (which again is not the whole truth as the ones on the left are easy too full as well, vide Jussie Smollett) but the story comes from NPR:

    We Tracked Down A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs. Here’s What We Learned
    https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

    The phenomenon of the Qanon or much more crude Benjamin Fulford preys on people’s need for a hope (the true meaning of ‘hope dies last’) so they keep stringing people along that there is some Good Guys Faction in the Deep State that is putting a fight on people’s behalf though you can’t see any tangible effects of the fight only because everything is so 3D or even 6D – a kind of bizarro world for conspiracy nuts where everything is inverted – its good if its bad…

    If I tried to write down the most important part of the recipe for telling the plausible from crackpottery I would say the most important are (1) know thyself, beware of your biases and (2) always ask cui bono.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  116. @Godfree Roberts

    One point of disagreement with you. Although the police obviously wouldn’t have known the local and national government authorities were still far from taking effective action when Dr Li went on social media with medical friends. About 3 weeks away

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  117. Hempus says:

    The methods to identify virus and the related antibodies became possible through the invention of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) by Kary Mullis, Nobel price laureate.

    Also in the year 1618 a new comet was discovered and for more then hundred years this was an explanation for the rise of the pest …as a kind of punishment by an almighty god. But after Halley explained the correct path of this comet those correlation with the pest faded away.

    [MORE]

    It is the pride and a big financial jackpot for any biomedical researcher to make a correlation between a new discovered virus and a”new” disease.
    In the early eighties it was Robert Gallo who made the correlation between the new discovered HIV and the mysterious death of many gay people in San Francisco and New York.

    There is a much more plausible explanation for those dead gay people but of course not much useful for the big pharma. Its the serial use of Poppas before a sexual contact in the dark rooms / gay saunas in those cities.

    I worked in the eighties as a breathing therapist and had a lot of gay clients. So when the HIV tests came up I noticed the following. Panic and fear rised like mushroms in those people who where tested HIV positive and breathlessness was one of the results. Often after 3-4 weeks they had already pneumonia by hyperventilation, wrong breathing techniques or in the lack of any helpful breathing technique.

    The same happens now also with the “new” covid 19. Mainly very old people have antibodies to this virus. But if you are testing around you find also people with a flu who have this antibodies. Some of them would die of flu. But many of them die on the side effects of the panic and fear after been tested Covid 19 positive.

    I hope the Italians are going to forbid this tests even when the WHO goes to sanction Italy. The damage to Italy would be much less then to follow the orders from the WHO and the nightmare it creates.
    Same for Iran….there are anyway not much more sanctions possible.

    The whole theory that people die because of having the antibodies of covid-19 is an evil plot supported by vaccination pope Bill Gates.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OYryQuzRuM&feature=youtu.be

  118. Iris says:
    @utu

    US just as they begged Japan in 1980s. Still a lot of people believe there is a certainje ne sais quoi about cars assembled in Japan that makes them better

    That is because the Japanese, and Toyota in particular, invented Quality Control in manufacturing.

    The “Toyota Production System” was developed between 1948 and 1975, and aimed at integrating and controlling all manufacturing processes to consistently achieve high quality production.

    All other subsequent quality systems, Kaizen, Lean Manufacturing, Six-Sigma (attributed to Motorola), and even the current ISO 9001 Quality Standards, derive from this Japanese approach.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  119. Excellent and very informative article!
    If it turns out to be true and proven that COVID19 was caused by a man made virus or re-engineered corona virus as a bio-weapon then I hope the country or those responsible for all this shit pay for it heavily! I hope the elites pay heavily, if it’s true, just for reducing the entitlement costs by getting rid of a lot of our old and fragile parents only to save some SS costs by this method!
    I’d say if this fiasco turns out to be true then time is right for the people of this planet to rise up and feed the elites to the sharks! Certainly the sharks will appreciate the food they do receive w/o working for it

  120. That bit about the HIV insertion has been the scariest thing I’ve read about the Coronavirus. I mean, once you catch HIV it doesn’t ever go away, right? This fits in with that story about the Japanese woman who recovered from it and then got it again. It could be that once you have it, you’ll always have it, and maybe one of these days you get a bad flare-up that kills you.

  121. CanSpeccy says:
    @utu

    It may not be totally crackpot, but isn’t it at least dopey to think that the presence of 300 US servicemen in Wuhan at about the time that Patient 0 was infected by Covid19 constitutes any sort of evidence for US responsibility for the outbreak?

    There are around 70,000 Americans in China at any time, of whom a fair number, surely, are US spies or saboteurs, commercial or state sponsored. So why suppose regular members of the US Military were responsible for spraying virus over the batmeat counter at the Wuhan wildlife market, when specialists in such covert operations must have been available for precisely such an operation?

    And since the argument is also made that the timing of this supposed act of US sabotage was related to the dates of a Chinese public holiday, attributing responsibility to the American participants in the Military Games requires a double coincidence, i.e., (1) the occurrence of the international Military Games in Wuhan, which brought American forces personnel to China, and (2) the required temporal relationship between the dates of the Military Games, when Patient 0 was infected, and the Chinese public holiday due to which the infection became widespread.

    It also seems bizarre to assume that the US planners of covert operations against great power rivals are so incompetent as to release a WMD on China that immediately boomerangs on the rest of the world, including, it appears, the USA — although what the impact on the US is is difficult to gauge, due to the seeming incapacity of US authorities to distribute significant quantities of Covid19 test kits.

    • Agree: A123
  122. Tor597 says:
    @Kati

    Wow. So Corona Virus not only targets China and Iran but also targets Chinas 5G technology?

    Is there anything Corona Virus can’t do for the neocons?

  123. Tor597 says:
    @Liza

    Yeah, Eurotrash is so morally superior. The spanish kill or starve out 60,000 dogs a YEAR.

    https://www.galgoamigo.com/the-plight-of-the-spanish-galgos.html

    • Replies: @Liza
  124. @utu

    No, but thanks. If you read the link you will find that (as the person who sent it to me indicated) it was just another spoof according to an old model but nothing to do with John Cleese.

    One that I have enjoyed is a series of national answers to a question in a telephone survey about what they would do if….. ending with “and the English hung up when they heard the Indian voice on the line” which was from the early days of outsourcing call centre services to India, Philipines, South Africa etc.

  125. If someone is suspected of having been infected with the Coronavirus , please tell me what test is used to determine whether or not they have in fact been infected with COVID-19 , in addition , how accurate is the test and when was it developed ?

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  126. Mefobills says:

    All semblance of due process and the rule of law can quickly evaporate when powerful institutions advance interpretations of catastrophic events used to justify their own open-ended invocation of unlimited emergency measure powers. The well-documented examples of the misrepresentation and exploitation of the 9/11 debacle demonstrate well the severity of the current danger. The origins of the Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic have yet to be adequately addressed and explained by a panel of genuinely independent investigators.

    Tony Hall (the author) is making a good point here… and kudos for a well written article.

    Trump could have installed an open-source intelligence operation within white-house, which would have been “independent investigators” who would be able to easily counter nonrepresentational and exploitation events from the usual deep state sources.

    Trump could have gone after the 96 Clinton Telecommunications act, which created an (((owned media))) for racketeering. Rico could have been used, or still used today as a tool to break up the fake media.

    Democracies mostly suck and are two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner. Democracies especially don’t work when special interests are pulling the strings from behind the scenes. Democracies most especially don’t work, when the public is programmed with false narrative by an owned media.

    Sheeple people will vote for their own dispossession, especially when said people have been hoaxed with unrelenting propaganda. They don’t know up from down due to the barrage of falsehoods.

    White helmets in Syria, to 911, to any number of false flags, all have a commonality. The commonality is narrative trotted out almost immediately upon the “shocking event.” By trotting it out almost immediately, narrative is myelin sheathed into he brain into a permanent memory, and victim human then accepts this memory as fact.

    Hall mentions Naomi Klein’s book, “Shock Doctrine.”

    This centers on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are excessively distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response, and resist effectively. The book suggests that some man-made events, such as the Iraq War, were undertaken with the intention of pushing through such unpopular policies in their wake

    Clown world requires finance oligarchy (what Klein calls disaster capitalism) to extract rents though false flags and manufactured disasters.

    A good way to counter their game is to for an independent group of experts, who have no money ties to special interests, to investigate false flag type downing of airliners, 911’s and any of the almost daily events we are being hoaxed with by our “owner” class.

    How this is done, I don’t know. Consensual civilization should not have to depend on internet researchers ferreting out the truth of things in their spare time.

  127. Iris says:

    Many thanks to the author of this article for a very comprehensive and thorough review of all the information currently available with regard to the origins of CoVid-19.

    This RT documentary interviews a US virologist and a Russian pulmonologist.

    They seem to agree that CoVid-19 would have developed naturally in bats, but in different strains, which explains the variable mortality rates (0.5% in South Korea to 3.9% in Italy).

    Compared to flu, the C0Vid-19 infection is more lethal, but also more difficult to catch.

    https://www.rt.com/news/482612-coronavirus-specialists-odds-catching-surviving/

  128. @9/11 Inside job

    The fear-mongering may be exactly what causes people to be disciplined with hygiene and vigilant about contracting or spreading the virus.

    The hype may end up dampening and containing the spread. We will never know to what degree.

    It may all blow over in a couple months.

    Better safe then sorry. Washing your hands frequently and not picking your nose or gnawing on your fingernails can’t hurt. Give it a try.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  129. Thomasina says:
    @d dan

    “And Dr Li was not reprimand for refusing to go along, but was reprimanded because he was shouting fire in a crowded cinema, a type of speech that US Supreme Court won’t allow too.”

    I believe you ARE allowed to shout “fire” in a crowded cinema if there actually IS a fire. Where you get into trouble is when you shout “fire” when there isn’t one and people end up getting injured. There’s a difference.

    In Dr. Li’s case, he was shouting “fire” when there actually was a “fire” – COVID-19.

    Western governments are almost as secretive as the Chinese government is. Witness how we treat our whistle blowers.

    • Agree: mike99588, GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @d dan
  130. kauchai says:
    @Tony Hall

    Mr Hall, do you know that while attending the military games in wuhan last october, two members of the US team were treated for high fever in wuhan itself? Do you also know that the place where these guys stayed was only 200m away from the Hua Nan seafood market?

    ( The games lasted from 18-28 Oct. The virus has an average incubation period of 14 days. The very first cases of infections were detected in early november. )

    I’ll wager that if Covid19 was a US bio-weapon, the empire had picked the perfect time and place to release it. Let me explain:

    a) Wuhan is the transport nexus of china through which goods and people flow in the hundreds of millions during the spring festival rush.

    b) the military games in october offered a perfect excuse for CIA operatives to undertake the task

    c) The existence of a bio safety level 4 lab in wuhan offered the best cover that the virus is an inside job leaked by the lab itself (a CIA favourite )

    d) Wuhan is also designated as china’s pioneer 5G experimental and development site. It is also home to many local hi-tech startups. The empire loves to kill these off.

    And please stop using Gua Wengui (miles guo). He is a fugitive on the run after cheating his business partners in china to the tune of billions. And because Xi Jinping’s anti-corruption drive managed to ferret him out and his bunch of rats (including his CCP cronies), he is now ratting out on anything and everything to paint china in the “baddest” possible way. Chinese authorities and media are just waiting for the right time to expose this guy for the fraud that he is, just like they did with the british embassy guy in HK and the fake china spy, Wang Liqiang recently.

    • Thanks: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Tor597
    , @utu
  131. @Wizard of Oz

    That was funny! You neglected to provide any attribution though.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  132. @AnonFromBeijing

    There’s nothing quite like a Chinese guy going off.

    “Your whore mother is known to tell many lies and fabrications of envy!!”

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  133. A123 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    And since the argument is also made that the timing of this supposed act of US sabotage was related to the dates of a Chinese public holiday, attributing responsibility to the American participants in the Military Games requires a double coincidence, i.e., (1) the occurrence of the international Military Games in Wuhan, which brought American forces personnel to China, and (2) the required temporal relationship between the dates of the Military Games, when Patient 0 was infected, and the Chinese public holiday due to which the infection became widespread.

    Precisely correct. If the virus was intentionally released while U.S. troops were present, then both the U.S. and China were jointly targeted.

    Add to that, COVID-19 is a terrible choice as a weapon. The incredibly high R(0) spread rate and long incubation period guarantees that a nation using it will also become infected. There is no rational reason for any nation to choose this specific virus for intentional release.

    Anyone suggesting this is a deliberate attack needs to identify a plausible attacker:
    — China has suppressed and imprisoned its Wieger population. What group would be upset by that?
    — And, would that group also want to injure the U.S.?

    The list of terrorist groups with both the motivation and necessary skills is quite limited.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  134. Adûnâi says:

    > “All of these crimes against humanity were justified on the basis of an unproven official explanation of 9/11.”

    Pure insane gibberish. The US could have exterminated all non-Whites on the planet. They chose not to – and now they are lambasted for muh’ crimes against humanity. Serves them right. Is Tony Hall non-White? Or is he an internationalist Socialist? Those are the folks blaming the Aryan race for existing. Serves us right!

    Losers deserve to be mocked! The falling should be pushed! True evil is self-defeating – because true evil is suicide.

  135. The virus was engineered in a lab, I believe designed to kill the elderly. Of course others will die and there will be some, or much general disruption. It’s entirely consistent with the goals, demonstrated now over the last two decades, to replace existing populations with young, credit hungry populations.

    Failing to comprehend the evil, rapacious greed that motivates this population is a weakness that will continue to confound those trying to understand the events of the past century.

  136. Liza says:
    @Tor597

    Yeah, Eurotrash is so morally superior. The spanish kill or starve out 60,000 dogs a YEAR.

    https://www.galgoamigo.com/the-plight-of-the-spanish-galgos.html

    And I am very much familiar with the business of the Spanish dogs being tortured to death. I heard about ths years ago, before you ever saw the sun rise. In any case, try and control your “Eurotrash” insults.

    In terms of animal protection, China is the latest kid on the block – to the extent they are there at all – and the most backwards in the world.

    Animals are nicer than most people, even the snakes.

  137. @NoseytheDuke

    I was sent it by a family member who obviously knew it was just the latest of a genre and utu suggested it was John Cleese:

    “Plagiarizing John Cleese?
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/terrorist-threat-alert”/

    But if he had read what he linked he would have known it was not.

  138. Parfois1 says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    And so I must wonder what provocations the evil geniuses of the West will do next, knowing that the response of the Chinese will be intelligent, organized, efficient and effective.

    Hope you are right about the Chinese response. Meanwhile I leave with you one I consider the guiding strategy behind the Project for the New American Century:

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    Perhaps the neocon Karl Rover should have finished the above quote with “…what we did”, because the others, his “all of you”, are constantly left in the past tense.

    Applying that strategy to the current coronavirus outbreak, “we” (the non-acting world) are indeed left behind studying the new virus, while they (the actors) are already forging ahead with a new variety of attack in the permanent hybrid war against the countries rejecting the PNAC’s hegemonic project. And that is in fact the history of this short-lived century so far from the starting point of 11/9/2001.

    That is the crux of the geopolitical problem facing the world: the “reality creators” are already forging new schemes for the next phase of the permanent hybrid war. They have many irons getting red in their sorcery’s forges while we are left behind studying the previous offensive, and so on … And this goes on and on until the expected “collapse of the dollar hegemony” – which is postponed ever so often to become another permanent feature of the geopolitical geology.

    Some commenters have noticed the fact that, since the sudden virus outburst in Italy and Iran, the epidemic is not racially selective, therefore the accusations of a US biological attack on China are false. But is that the logical conclusion? No, there are countless reasons why it could still be an orchestrated US thrust aimed predominantly at China, of course with the concomitant “collateral damage” accompanying US agressions.

    There is also an argument suggesting that since the source of the virus has not yet been definitively identified, it is premature to point the finger at the US. That may be so, but it is quite possible that the smoking gun will never be found, particularly given the complexity of new mutations and the limitations of current scientific tools, and we are left “studying the old reality” until the next onslaught. However, in forensic situations when a critical element is missing – such as the body of the deceased or identifying the poison causing the death or its origin – the courts can still get hold of relevant secondary evidence that a body did exist at a certain time and went missing or got sick in circumstances leading to the inference of a crime beyond reasonable doubt. In such cases the court looks at all circumstantial evidence against a presumed suspect and may convict him even though a critical element was missing.

    Among the circumstantial evidence leading to the conviction is the actions of the accused, for instance purchasing the ingredients to produce a poison, his interactions with chemical laboratories and specialists and other steps for making a toxic concoction. Now,look what the US has been doing in the field of biological weapons for a long time since they were the only country that deployed chemical weapons (anthrax?) in WWII in Europe. Lately, in addition of relying on their own military labs, they have subcontracted or funded through a web of university establishments and off-shore companies and entities, research in specific areas of biological agents spreadout in such a way that no single entity knew the overall objective, creating “Chinese walls” (pardon the pun here) to isolate from each other. Neither was it known, of course, who the ultimate sponsor/producer was behind the multiple screens.

    We may never get the smoking gun but we can legitimately infer who was the gunman.

    • Agree: Ghan-buri-Ghan
  139. Tor597 says:
    @kauchai

    Do you have a link that shows 2 US service men had fever?

    Also, how do you know where these guys stayed?

    • Replies: @kauchai
  140. Johan says:

    In case of the theory of the virus being deliberately developed and spread, it being as lethal as the hypothesis which talks about it being capable of hitting a very big part of mankind, what would be the hypothesis regarding the lethal danger which it also poses for those who have initially deliberately spread it (and their loved ones, family and co-conspirers)? A gamble with a certain probability of it becoming a kamikaze operation, a secret vaccine, or the small group being in the position to isolate themselves as much as possible (self imposed quarantine)?

  141. utu says:
    @kauchai

    “…two members of the US team were treated for high fever in wuhan itself…”

    I am sure there must have been rumors, so to dispel them on Feb 24 Global Time wrote this:

    Five foreign athletes from military world games in Wuhan infected with malaria, not COVID-19 in October 2019: hospital head
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180549.shtml

    It seems that Chinese narrative is vacillating between the official story that virus was natural and sometimes very meekly signaling and insinuating that the source of infection could have been external.

    The CCP must be very careful. Last thing they want is to inflame and enrage the Chinese population (which is very excitable on matters of national pride and honor) to the point of them demanding revenge and blood while on the other hand the CCP knows that the West will remain immune and impermeable to any accusation flowing from China. The Chinese government would be laughed at by the MSM so by making accusation of being a victim they will not get any traction in the sympathy department of the West.

    I am writing this believing that the CCP realizes they can’t afford any major confrontation with the West, that they have learned from the lesson Japan was taught in WWII. For this reason I do not expect getting much help from the CCP in corroborating my pet conspiracy theory. But if the theory is correct the inner circle of the CCP will devise a long term plan how to (not)respond and how to accommodate the belligerence coming form the American Empire. They know that time is working on their side.

    Would it be more likely to hear corroborating evidence from the American side which may want to taunt the Chinese and throw them off from their inscrutable equanimity? Is it possible that the chief objective of the operation was to actually provoke China?

    Is it possible that some faction in the US did not want to make a deal with China? That when the Vice Premier Liu He in January cried uncle to Trump it was already too late? Is it possible that this is all about Trump? To have him facing angry China on one side and angry Americans on the other side because of the contagion in America.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Anonymous
    , @kauchai
  142. Tor597 says:

    What are we supposed to make of the US deviating from WHO testing standards in favor of it’s own?

    Why go through the hastle and delay when they could have just confirmed to international standards.

    What are the tests designed to hide?

  143. d dan says:
    @Thomasina

    “In Dr. Li’s case, he was shouting “fire” when there actually was a “fire” – COVID-19.”

    Dr Li didn’t KNOW there was a “fire” when he “shouted” it, because he was a ophthalmologist (eye doctor). He didn’t have training in the area, as evident by his mistaken claim that it was “SAR”. Covid-19 was not “discovered”. So, this fits the US Supreme Court’s definition of “falsely” shouting fire AT THAT MOMENT.

    Most importantly, it is illegal by Chinese law too.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @mike99588
  144. denk says:

    Assholes like Guo Wengui would sell his mother to please his ‘friends in high place’ at the [[[Washington cesspool]]].

    Guo has been exposed as a serial lying fraud, but this one takes the cake, its so outrageous even the rabid sinophobes in DC wont touch it with a ten feet pole.

    ‘Guo Wengui, who lives in the United States, has made claims that the Malaysian flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014, was carrying those who had fled China because of their knowledge or participation in the heinous crimes, and were returning to China after “persuasion” from the CCP to do so, when the flight disappeared’

    [SIC]
    ———————————————

    The moment I heard about mh370 disaster I knew its a [[[CIA]]] caper, the same way I knew covid19 is made in [[[USA]]].

    hOW ?

    They passed the FIVE WHO test…

    Who’s the motive,
    Who’s the means,
    Who benefits,
    Who has a track record of maleficence against China

    mOFO like Guo really find his calling in [[[Washington DC]]],…..the world’s no 1 cesspool

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  145. @Anonymous

    Furthermore, the East Asian country South Korea has a much lower mortality rate than either Italy or Iran, around 0,7%, despite having comparable total numbers of cases. Mortality is around 5% in Italy and 3% in Iran. The mortality rate in many parts of China is also quite low. If this was bioengineered as a weapon against Chinese/East Asian ethnics, it is a real dud. Let’s stop repeating these idiotic speculations.

  146. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    BEIJING (Reuters) – China’s foreign ministry, asked about North Korea’s launch of projectiles, says it calls on all parties to adhere to consultation and dialogue to achieve lasting peace in the Korean peninsula”

    Does China ever stand up for any of its allies ? May be if it all these years it did not support sanctions imposed by West, it would have been in a better world surrounded by more effective allies and friends.

    • Replies: @anon
  147. Parfois1 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I don’t know what the truth of the matter is, but a superpower like US is certainly more capable of launching this kind of bioattack on China than it is for some Arabs in a cave in Afghanistan to bring down the WTC and attack the Pentagon in US.

    That’s a good one! The talent to see the obvious.

  148. naill says:
    @Tony Hall

    Miles Guo has connections with Steve Bannon and Kyle Bass both of whom’s aim are to bad mouth the CCP as well as China. Nothing I have listened to or read from them have been objective or backed by facts.

    As for Miles Guo, he has a bone to pick with the CCP because he was going to be arrested for bribes, fraud, money laundering amongst other charges before he escaped to the USA. The way he seems to operate is to pick up on a current news event and turn it into an item of insider knowledge against the CCP. If anyone was to check on the dates of each of his ‘revelations’ they will notice that it is never before the event. In the case of the virus, it was several weeks late.

  149. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    It seems that Chinese narrative is vacillating between the official story that virus was natural and sometimes very meekly signaling and insinuating that the source of infection could have been external.

    Well, since the virus seems to have leaked back into the West, with the US totally ignoring the problem and not doing any large-scale testing, perhaps all the Chinese need to do is wait a few weeks and try to avoid gloating too much. Italy seems to have been hit pretty hard and it’s not obvious to me why America won’t suffer that same fate.

    This is the whole reason everyone knows that biowarfare attacks are a totally insane thing to do. But since our government is totally insane, I suppose they might possibly have done it.

    I am writing this believing that the CCP realizes they can’t afford any major confrontation with the West, that they have learned from the lesson Japan was taught in WWII.

    I don’t think the analogy works. China is vastly more powerful—and potentially powerful—relative to the West than Japan was during WWII. Moreover, all the crazy behavior of the US means that China would likely have powerful allies such as Russia and Iran.

    I think the main reason China would avoid confrontation is that its relative strength compared to the US is growing so rapidly that every few years puts it in a much better position. This is exactly the opposite of Japan’s strategic situation at the start of WWII, when it faced being choked by the oil embargo.

    • Agree: utu, L.K, Tor597
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @CanSpeccy
    , @Johan
  150. Parfois1 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Very amusing abuse of stereotypes, Wizz. Sometimes it works, others falls flat.

  151. Parfois1 says:
    @utu

    Plagiarizing John Cleese?

    Well spotted Utu! Bit curious how you did it. From memory (an outstanding feat!) or research (no-stone-unturned perseverance)? But I can still throw a few stones at you though.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  152. @d dan

    As an ophthalmologist but fully trained as a doctor perhaps he started it by saying to more appropriately trained friends that there was something unusual and worrying that they perhaps could shed light on.

  153. @Parfois1

    No, you missed my reply. He was right of course to sense that it was not an original composition by me but he failed to read his own link.

  154. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    The Chinese government would be laughed at by the MSM so by making accusation of being a victim they will not get any traction in the sympathy department of the West.

    Yes, it would just make them look foolish and crazy, and be used against them. Hawks in the US would point to it as evidence that the CCP is crazy, dangerous, and illegitimate, and try to isolate China.

    Even if they made a credible accusation, there is no incentive for any country around the world to accept it and antagonize the US when there’s always plausible deniability.

    Is it possible that the chief objective of the operation was to actually provoke China?

    Good question. From the perspective of maintaing American hegemony and decoupling and isolating China from the international trading system, Chinese retaliation would be a good thing, as it would then justify and compel further US moves to isolate China.

    But if the theory is correct the inner circle of the CCP will devise a long term plan how to (not)respond and how to accommodate the belligerence coming form the American Empire. They know that time is working on their side.

    I agree with this. I don’t think the CCP would have good options or incentives for retaliation, and any retaliation would just serve US strategic interests and work against China.

    The danger in this scenario is that states are not perfectly rational, so China could foolishly retaliate, and the US does have an incentive to continue to provoke China until it does retaliate.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Tor597
  155. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I think the main reason China would avoid confrontation is that its relative strength compared to the US is growing so rapidly that every few years puts it in a much better position. This is exactly the opposite of Japan’s strategic situation at the start of WWII, when it faced being choked by the oil embargo.

    But its rapidly growing relative strength would also suggest that the US, if committed to maintaining dominance, would have a strong incentive in the near term to take steps to disengage and isolate China, including via provocations aimed at inducing Chinese retaliation. The US can still embargo Chinese trade and oil imports, and that would be one of its last cards to play before the Chinese capitulate or retreat into a hermit garrison state like North Korea, or military hostilities and war breaks out between the US and China.

    It is precisely this naval blockade trump card that the US holds that has compelled China to develop the Belt & Road alternative trade and energy network across Eurasia that would be impervious to a US naval blockade. By the same token, the US has a major incentive to impede the Belt & Road so that its naval blockade trump card and dominance can persist. Incidentally, Iran and Italy have been key members of the Belt & Road project, with Italy the first major European country to support it and lend it legitimacy.

    “How a Massive Naval Blockade Could Bring China To Its Knees In a War

    In the context of a Sino-American war, the United States could try to take China’s greatest national strength—its export-oriented, booming economic-growth model—and transform it into a major military weakness.”

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-massive-naval-blockade-could-bring-china-its-knees-war-50957

    “China’s fear of an American blockade”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-army-blockade/chinas-fear-of-an-american-blockade-idUSKCN1S6140

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  156. Thomasina says:
    @the grand wazoo

    Makes you wonder, doesn’t it? It’s almost beginning to smell like those bogus chemical weapons attacks in Syria where the phony White Helmets were rushing around with body bags. All staged.

    Who would be wanting to bring down the world economy? Why would they want to do this? The globalists fear they are losing their grip at the moment. Are the tariffs upsetting the globalists’ apple cart? Something is afoot.

    It could also be that the central banks (U.K., E.U., Japan, U.S., Canada, China) can’t keep the bubbles they’ve blown inflated any longer, and this virus gives them a convenient and plausible excuse for a crash. They don’t get blamed; the virus does.

    Interesting times. Take care.

    • Agree: anon-og
  157. @denk

    They passed the FIVE WHO test…

    Who’s the motive,
    Who’s the means,
    Who benefits,
    Who has a track record of maleficence against China

    That’s FOUR. What’s the fifth?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @denk
    , @denk
  158. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    All the China cheerleaders ignore this blatant fact. China doesn’t even support the very few allies that it has. Extremely selfish and cowardly state who will in the end face the USA alone.

  159. mike99588 says:
    @d dan

    Theoretically, at least in the US, any diligent MD should be capable of perceiving an anomalous trend of pronounced abnormal illnesses, especially if they are “investing” their own time. An ophthalmologist is an MD first, not “only” an optometrist.

    Your arguments sound highly biased.

    • Replies: @d dan
  160. mike99588 says:
    @Thomasina

    We don’t know Li’s medical history. Many that excel in study neglect themselves in various ways in the pursuit of knowledge and career. Long hours with less sleep and exercise compromise immunity and health. Career stress + police/political stress, one can think how that damages sleep and immunity, too.

    Young hospital doctors’ nutrition in the US historically was a standing joke, how bad.

    Technically Li had multiple, prolonged exposures with presumably higher viral loads transferred and thorough coverage, unprotected. Hr may have had exposure to multiple viral strains, too.

    He also presumably did not benefit from the advanced high dose treatments with vitamin D and ascorbate (C) that are slowly, painfully arriving in the mainstream, after decades of western medical antivitamin propaganda.

  161. kauchai says:
    @Tor597

    Of course I do. All you have to do is stop watching the empire’s fake news media and start to listen to some chinese media. For that, you will have to be very proficient in mandarin chinese and I am sure you will come across some very credible videos in Youtube being produced daily from both sides of the taiwan straits.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  162. @CanSpeccy

    …the required temporal relationship between the dates of the Military Games, when Patient 0 was infected, and the Chinese public holiday due to which the infection became widespread.

    There are two false premises in this assertion, both of which the nefariousness conjecture, namely that the virus was intentionally released by US agents, depends on. Yet there is no such temporal relationship. Patient zero was surely not infected during the games, nor did the infection become widespread due to the holidays but instead due to initial incompetence by the health authorities.

    Regard the timeline:

    The military games in Wuhan had concluded a few days before Halloween. Based on information about the latency period of the virus, during which carriers can spread it to others without experiencing any symptoms, its release must have occurred around mid-November.

    The patient zero was allegedly diagnosed on December 1. The whistleblower warning by Dr. Li came on December 30. The Chinese lunar new year, preceded by a heavy travel period lasting only a few days, began on January 25, by which time precautionary measures, such as quarantine and travel restrictions, to curtail the spending of the virus, had already been implemented.

    The putative aim of an intentional release would have been to allow the heavy travel period, prior to the beginning of the new year, proceed unencumbered, so as to spread the virus to all parts of China during the incubation period of the virus before the authorities had yet figured out what was going on. During the two week holiday period, the virus would have spread among family members and friends.

    The alleged plotters would not have presumed that the Chines authorities were going to respond in such a sloppy manner, either mentally denying or covering up the situation for weeks (during the first half of January), thereby having allowed the virus to spread primarily in Wuhan without any counter-measures.

    Based on this timeline, a viral release to cause maximum spreading throughout China, per conjecture, would have best occurred in early January, six weeks after the actual release and more than two months after the military games had already concluded. The actual timeline alone already negates the conspiratorial conjecture, and thus also the misguided probability calculation derived from it.

  163. kauchai says:
    @utu

    ” I am writing this believing that the CCP realizes they can’t afford any major confrontation with the West,…”

    Oh yes they can. If only the folks at zhongnanhai are as crazy as the lunatic currently sitting in the white house with his bunch of loony tunes cronies. THE EFFECT WILL BE THERMONUCLEAR. You care to play?

    Malaria in china in 2019? Tu youyou (nobel laureate) who invented the the drug artemisinin gave her life (literally, as she was the first to test the drug herself) to eradicate malaria in china. Ever since the vietnam war of independence against the french in the 1950’s, no one has ever heard of china having a malaria epidemic. This was precisely because Prof Tu’s team was tasked by Mao to help develop a cure for uncle Ho’s soldiers who were dying by the scores caused by malaria in that war.

    As much as I would like to trust chinese media 100%, there were times when articles like this were published as an official position ( do you think Global Times chose malaria by random?) which were meant to deflect public anger and frustration, especially at something so new and unprecedented like covid19.

    So, you have a choice. Give in to populist sentiment and risk an escalation to nuclear war which you then cannot climb down from, or tell an innocent white lie and save the whole world from nuclear annihilation.

    What’s your choice?

  164. @Johnny Rico

    Thanks for your advice , the Coronavirus is the flu or a variant thereof , the flu season in the Northern Hemisphere ends in April with the warmer weather , it’s already coming to an end in China and there were only 46 cases reported the other day. “Big pharma” is happy as it will be getting the lion’s share of the $8.3 billion dollar spending package signed into law by Trump. Soon the Coronavirus will be forgotten like SARS, Ebola, the Swine flu, H1N1 , until it is convenient for the the powers that be to resurrect it .

  165. Could someone please respond to the question I posed in my comment #129. Thank you.

  166. @John Chuckman

    Everything I have seen, from multiple and serious (evidence-based) actual doctors on Youtube, is that 80 percent have “mild” symptoms. Of the other 20 percent, how many are elderly or have other underlying and serious health conditions? I have not seen that stat, other than it appears most who are critical and/or die (outside of China at least), have some other major health issue, or are significantly old enough (Italy) for it to be presumed.

    Where are the 0-65 year olds dying of this? In China? Iran? Where? Where is this anywhere near the very real experience of Americans in the early 20th century that dealt with polio, or the Spanish Flu, or wars, where everyone knew someone who was affected?

    • Replies: @Iris
  167. When you gonna’ wake up and realize you are being played?
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESviRyiXkAAHP1A?format=jpg&name=small

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  168. Iris says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    According to this documentary where a US virologist and a Russian pneumologist were interviewed:

    Should we rush to get tested before symptoms arrive?
    Testing [for COVID-19] only makes sense for those who display clinical symptoms.

    Unfortunately, going through the test for coronavirus in advance is largely senseless, Favorov says, because the existing tests developed in various countries are ineffective since scientists simply lack the biological material to develop more precise algorithms.

    “We will only have enough material in six months,” he said, warning that the current tests could fail to detect the virus in the human organism and could even suggest a person is infected when it is not the case.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/482612-coronavirus-specialists-odds-catching-surviving/

  169. @Iris

    Please bear in mind that the Whites invented the car; there would be no “quality control” without it.

    • Replies: @denk
  170. Iris says:
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    Everything I have seen, from multiple and serious (evidence-based) actual doctors on Youtube, is that 80 percent have “mild” symptoms.

    Correct, as apparently increased exposure to the virus is an aggravating factor.

    “The level of exposure is important,” said [Dr Favorov, CDC]. “In everyday life, we are not usually exposed to such a significant number of viruses,” he added, pointing to the fact that the number of confirmed coronavirus cases has been particularly high among medical specialists, who routinely come in contact with various diseases. “The medics fall into a separate risk group.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/482612-coronavirus-specialists-odds-catching-surviving/

  171. @utu

    Why should it come? If the White countries didn’t fight each other to supply the slanty-eyed with the inventions then there would be no need to rely on the new “geniuses” because prosperity would have stayed right where it belongs, in Europe and USA!

    • Replies: @bjondo
  172. Tony Hall says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    @9/11 Inside Job

    Good questions 9/11 Inside Job. I certainly don’t have the answers you seek at my fingertips. I’m interested too if anyone has some kind of coherent response.

    It seems the delays and problems with the custom-made US test apparatus are fast becoming a significant political scandal. The time lost may be seen in the light of future developments to have had a major impact.

  173. bjondo says:
    @Really No Shit

    If the White countries didn’t fight each other to supply the slanty-eyed with the inventions

    Pretty sure the Whites are fighting each other for the biggest bonuses and the poorest workers.

    How slanty eyed are the Israeli Yid?

    Ton load of inventions going there –

    by hook or by crook.

    5ds

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  174. vot tak says:

    “Lt. Colonel Dr. Dany Shoham is one of the most attentive figures outside Canada who responded especially quickly and skeptically to the perplexing questions raised by Dr. Qiu’s activities.”

    That’s what I thought, reading through the part written above this. This is israeli based. I’ve found that israelis have zero credibility, especially those intimately connected to the israeli regime. 10 to 1, the author “finds” the “evidence” compelling that the Chinese were the most likely source of this virus, in line with the israeli propaganda line. I’ll check back at the end of this very long winded propaganda exercise to see if my above assumption is proved correct.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    , @vot tak
  175. @Commentator Mike

    Thanks for the links .As I thought “the test is not very reliable ” , so how many people have actually been infected , in my opinion most of the alleged coronavirus cases are in fact cases of the seasonal flu.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  176. utu says:

    Dr. Dany Shoham, an expert in propaganda?

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-china-lab-mortality-virology-wuhan-virus-not-bioweapon/
    On Sunday, the Washington Times — a paper with a distinct ideological bent — published an article claiming that the virus’ outbreak could be linked to a military lab in Wuhan.

    The article suggests a government-run lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, could have been researching military applications for the coronavirus and may have been the source of the outbreak.

    The only basis for the claim is a quote from former Israeli intelligence officer Dany Shoham, who has expertise in biological warfare.

    “Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese BW alignment,” Shoham told the Times.

    While Shoham never backed up the claim made in the story that the outbreak stemmed from a biological weapon, other outlets nevertheless picked up the idea and ran with it.

    The Texas radio station KPRC posted the story to its site, concluding “some intelligence experts believe the Chinese military’s biowarfare department may be responsible.” A speculation by a single former officer had become “intelligence experts.” The Toronto Sun columnist Candice Malcolm pumped the theory on her YouTube show, asking: “Why isn’t the mainstream media talking about the origins of this deadly virus? Could it be linked to China’s biological warfare program?”

    • Agree: Iris
  177. A123 says:
    @vot tak

    This is israeli based. I’ve found that israelis have zero credibility, especially those intimately connected to the israeli regime.

    If this is Israeli based, why is Israel being hit so hard?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-institutes-2-week-quarantine-of-all-foreign-arrivals/

    If you want to say that Barack Hussein degraded the capability of the U.S… That I might believe. However, Israel has not had a similar 8 year run of far-left, sharia compliant, intentional incompetence at the helm. There is no plausible scenario for Israel to release COVID-19.

    This is most likely another EPIC FAIL fail by the Chinese, and the world is suffering because Han arrogance & superiority exceeds their capabilities.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
  178. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @A123

    If the virus was intentionally released while U.S. troops were present, then both the U.S. and China were jointly targeted.

    Yes, as I have previously noted — for to me inexplicable reasons thereby bringing on my head vile Denkian abuse — the epidemic might have been a joint US/China exploit intended to reduce the burden of the aged in rapidly aging nations, the US and China included. (as Kauchai notes at #134 American military personnel as well as Chinese people were infected in Wuhan at the outset of the epidemic in China.)

    However, that idea is inconsistent with the speed at which China stopped the spread of the virus and ended the epidemic within its own borders.

    It now remains to be seen how well the rest of the World handles the crisis. So far, the US, apparently incapable of rolling out a generally available test for the virus, is doing rather poorly.

    Intentionally or otherwise, the virus may prove to be a test of the effectiveness, indeed the viability, of the Western form of government versus China’s dictatorship.

  179. @9/11 Inside job

    in my opinion most of the alleged coronavirus cases are in fact cases of the seasonal flu.

    You could be right. We’ll just have to wait and see – if they’ll ever tell us the truth. People do die of the regular flu. Still all these preventive measures should cut down on morbidity and mortality due to seasonal flu. Or will they, given some of the advice? If you noticed, that link states:

    If you suspect that you are infected, current official advice is that you shouldn’t go to a hospital or to a doctor.

    So they recommend self-isolation and they’ll send someone over to take test samples. But the symptoms are very similar to regular flu and how will you get your prescription to get medicine if you don’t visit a doctor? You won’t be getting the best medical care self-isolating in your home, but on the other hand you won’t be passing it to others in a hospital setting, or getting something from others. It is quite confusing.

  180. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    This is the whole reason everyone knows that biowarfare attacks are a totally insane thing to do. But since our government is totally insane, I suppose they might possibly have done it.

    Without the slightest real evidence you have continually pushed the idea that the COVID19 epidemic in China was the result of a US WMD attack, while at the same time believing that “everyone knows that biowarfare attacks are a totally insane thing to do.”

    This naturally raises the question as to why the US would launch a WMD attack on China, to which seemingly there is only one response, namely the response you give, that the “[US] government is totally insane.”

    If you are right, then America is certainly doomed. But on the brighter side, perhaps your are totally wrong in asserting that the Chinese epidemic was the result of US Government attack on China. There are, after all, many other possibilities.

  181. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    That’s FOUR. What’s the fifth?

    That’s it. There are only four, but Denk can’t count.

    • Replies: @A123
  182. Che Guava says:

    What seems more likely. Is Mr Shmir’s scenario. I ATW, my Chimere neiigbnur.- akways calls it thex.wuhan vIrur..

  183. A123 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    That’s it. There are only four, but Denk can’t count.

    Perhaps #5 is “THE WHO”.

    https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/The_Who

    PEACE 😇

  184. denk says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Should be FOUR who’s, but I keep thinking about FIVE !

    OFF hand I can think of a few more tho,

    Who’s been accused by Korea, China, Guatemala, Cuba, Okinawa, Pakistan, Georgia, Russia….just to name a few, of bio-warfare terrorism ?

    Who’s quacking like a prick, walking like a prick and….

  185. denk says:
    @Really No Shit

    China, why the military build up ?

    Your IQ must be < 85 !

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  186. d dan says:
    @mike99588

    “Theoretically, at least in the US, any diligent MD should be capable of perceiving an anomalous trend of pronounced abnormal illnesses, especially if they are “investing” their own time.”

    The original poster (Thomasina) uses hindsight to argue that there was a “fire” (“covid-19”), so Dr Li should be allowed to “shout” it. I counter that hindsight shows that Dr Li was wrong about the disease (SAR vs covid-19) and Dr Li couldn’t possibly have the training nor resources to determine a yet undiscovered disease. So he didn’t know there was a “fire” (covid-19).

    If you want to use the less-exacting standard to argue that Dr Li knew a different “fire” (“anomalous trend of pronounced abnormal illnesses”), then I concede that Dr Li might know there was a “fire”. But I still disagree with you that he should be allowed to “shout” it. He was not a public health official and lacked the authority to do it.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Thomasina
  187. denk says:

    Steve Bannon 2016

    ‘There’ll be war bet China and us in 5-10 years time

    .

    [Translation]
    ‘We’ll be going for China’s jugular in 5 years time.
    —————

    Turns out Bannon was given a 1M retainer from GUo Wengui for a one year consultancy with GUo media’s G News…
    to add credibility to the publication as a source of news on China.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-hired-by-company-linked-to-chinas-most-wanted-billionaire-report

    Yes you heard it right,
    Guo the fugitive billionaire from China with an axe to grind, hire uber sinophobe Steve Bannon , to add cred to G news China reporting !

    ROFLMAO !

  188. denk says:
    @Commentator Mike

    SPECCY the man child doesnt realise the joke is on him….

    I’ve at least the four who’s for back up,

    speccy
    ‘sorry I’ve only mah own stupid projection’

    hehehe

  189. peterAUS says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Majority..never.

    Minority…. when loss of job/income/property dampens their fear of death. Then they’ll start asking right questions, and, more importantly, be able to listen to correct answers. Too late, of course.

    Rowe was, IS, right:
    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    “They are good”. “We” are……oh my.

    That’s why “they” rule us, and “we” type on forums.

  190. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:

  191. vot tak says:
    @A123

    You do realize your hasbara only reinforces what I wrote. 😀

    • Agree: anon-og
    • Replies: @A123
  192. vot tak says:
    @vot tak

    The question is: why is israel/the zionazi freakshow so hellbent on demonizing China, using this virus as a propaganda hammer? Why such intense hostility?

    • Replies: @Iris
  193. eah says:

    FWIW

    Chinese Virologists combined HIV/AIDs & Coronavirus in 2008

    Look up this 2008 paper from the Wuhan Institute of Virology with a Google search for “Difference in receptor usage between severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus and SARS-like coronavirus of bat origin.” …

    This basically states that the SARS-Like Coronavirus (a different virus than the SARS virus strain from the early 2000’s outbreak) they had found in bats was not transmissable to humans due to it not binding to the ACE2 receptor, but that with a minimal insertion of genome from HIV it was able to bind to human ACE2 receptor and not just the bat receptors.

    This may be a seperate SARS-Like coronavirus from what we’re seeing right now, but the takeaway is this: first, that the strain from bats was not directly transmissable to human beings; and secondly, that the wuhan institute of virology was able to engineer a human transmissable strain with insertion of HIV DNA across only a small portion of the SL-CoV S.

  194. Iris says:
    @vot tak

    why is israel/the zionazi freakshow so hellbent on demonizing China, using this virus as a propaganda hammer? Why such intense hostility?

    Isn’t it obvious?

    The Zios’ ascent to quasi-global power came about with them moving from East to West over the centuries, and finally taking control of the world’s hegemon, the USA, because the USA for all its extraordinary achievements was a relatively young nation with a less pronounced historic identity.

    The Zionists control the USA like a mouse living in the cranium of an elephant, safely shielded but pulling all the strings.

    If the USA lose their predominant geopolitical position, the Zionist dream of global domination is finished. They won’t be able to move back Eastwards and take control of new hegemons (China, and not even Russia).

    Zionists, ultimately, must stop the ascent of China and Russia, at any cost, because America is the only vehicle by which they can achieve their messianic design.

  195. A123 says:
    @vot tak

    ROTFL

    You cannot distract from your depraved indifference to human life by shouting ‘Hasbara’. It didn’t work for Chicken Little and it is not going to work for for Jihadists such as yourself. Thanks for admitting your true, pro-violence agenda though…

    PEACE 😇

  196. @Johnny Smoggins

    A Spaniard can come close, though:

    ” I befoul myself in the milk of your mother.”

  197. @9/11 Inside job

    Outside of China, the most widely used test is called the PCR. It must be done with tremendous care, because contamination with irrelevant microbes and cellular material can yield a misleading and absurd result.

    The PCR, it is claimed, can take a tiny, tiny bit of material from a patient and blow it up many times, so it can be identified. “This is the coronavirus. This patient is infected.”

    Not only that, the test’s proponents assert that, quite easily, the PCR can also determine the AMOUNT of virus in the patient’s body. Why is that vitally important? Because, to even begin talking about the patient ever getting sick, he must have millions and millions of coronavirus actively replicating in his body.

    There are people (and I’m one of them) who challenge the claim that the PCR can show how much virus is in the patient’s body. The experts try to brush us off—we don’t understand the intricacies of the test, it’s highly technical, we’re not qualified to make a judgment, etc.

    You want anything close to the truth I suggest Jon Rappoport of No more fake news
    This article was just posted today. I hope you will read it along with his many other articles on Covid19.
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-what-real-science-would-look-like-if-it-existed/

    • Replies: @Johan
    , @9/11 Inside job
  198. @Wizard of Oz

    Could you be more explicit? I can’t understand your comment.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  199. @Mustapha Mond

    Your wife may have seen this. I find it enjoyable:

    The Wuhan municipal government maintained that it had reported the virus to the central health authority in Beijing as soon as details emerged, and that Beijing’s team of experts had responded by telling them that there was no evidence of human to human transmission and the outbreak was containable. So Wuhan followed the advice it was given and carried on as normal. The experts in Beijing, meanwhile, insist that Wuhan didn’t provide them with reliable data, which made it impossible to respond with an accurate assessment. The woks flew back and forth for so long that Beijing lost patience. People under quarantine were whipping up a storm on social media in the hope of landing a hospital bed; seriously ill patients were being ignored or denied treatment; desperate sufferers were being driven to suicide; senior officials were seen on TV news using high-end N95 respirators while frontline doctors made do with disposable medical masks. The incompetence of local government, as Beijing saw it, could no longer be tolerated.

    An envoy was dispatched to Wuhan to inspect the mess, with a group of journalists in tow. It took the journalists no time at all to find a bus full of sick people to interview but the driver hadn’t been told where to take them. The bus drove around for hours, until the journalists finally found them a hospital. The next day, the heads of city districts were summoned into the envoy’s presence to receive their reprimand: they were made to apologise and bow to the patients they had overlooked.

    Throwing woks is an art you need to understand if you want to get things done in China. Whether you’re building an airport, applying for a research grant or inviting a foreign national to give a talk, you have to fill in so many forms, and get approval from so many departments with all their competing demands, that you risk getting trapped somewhere in the middle: whichever way you turn you risk causing upset or offence in one quarter or another. In the workplace too, a step in the wrong direction can provoke a superior and ruin a career, so that sometimes it’s wisest to do nothing at all. Until a virus strikes, that is.

    After the envoy’s visit, the party secretary of Hubei province was summarily removed from his job and the mayor of Shanghai, Ying Yong (the name rhymes with the word for ‘bravery’), flew in to take over. The next day, the official number of newly confirmed cases in Hubei skyrocketed, from 1638 to 14,840. Surely the virus hadn’t suddenly developed superpowers. The medical explanation was that more capacious diagnostic criteria had been applied; the media explanation was that truth will always out; the political explanation was that a new leader wants to make his mark. Or you could look at it in banking terms: bring off-balance sheet items onto the balance sheet and expose the bad debt, then adjust the accounting rules to make up for the loss in goodwill. People saw significance in the fact that Hubei’s new party secretary has a background in law enforcement and a reputation for cleaning up mess. Like the other new top-level appointees – the party secretary of the city of Wuhan was replaced the same day – he knows inside-out how bureaucracy works and how pervasive it is. Such people send a signal that they are not to be fobbed off with the usual excuses local officials mutter in their own defence. No more flying woks.

    The citizens of Shanghai agreed to ‘donate’ their mayor, ‘so long as we get to keep Dr Zhang’. Zhang Wenhong, director of the Department of Infectious Diseases at Shanghai’s Huashan Hospital, became a national hero for a press conference speech:

    The first-aid team put themselves in great danger. They are tired and need to rest. We shouldn’t take advantage of good people. From now on, I’ll replace all the frontline medics with party members from different sectors. Didn’t you all swear to put the people’s interest first when you joined the party, whatever the difficulties? I don’t care what you were actually thinking when you joined the party. Now it’s time to live up to what you promised. I don’t care if you personally agree or not: it’s non-negotiable.

    The video went viral and now local citizens wouldn’t trade him for anything. When Dr Zhang told people to stay at home, they listened.

    The Word from Wuhan, by Wang Xiuying, LRB

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Mustapha Mond
  200. @Anonymous

    It is funny as hell that you think a blockade of all Chinese ports and stopping oil shipments from other countries that is not USA =/= acts of war.

    What world do you live in?

    Please get out of that retarded fantasy.

    You really, really need to freshen up on Chinese naval power.

    And retard, understand that China got 250 nukes and have the missiles to carry them up your ass in the USA.

    Fucking a, why are there so many suicidal morons in this country. Don’t take me with you when you want to commit suicide.

  201. Johan says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I don’t think the analogy works. China is vastly more powerful—and potentially powerful—relative to the West than Japan was during WWII. Moreover, all the crazy behavior of the US means that China would likely have powerful allies such as Russia and Iran.”

    I think China is still focussed on internal affairs, introvert so to speak, and that before expansion or and confrontational targetting and all the risks involved can be afforded, the refined internal technology based dictatorial surveillance and control puppet system must be fully developed and working. If China spends too much energy on confrontations with the rest of the world, its internal dictatorial system is too much at risk from the inside. They move with care, very thoughtful, and at a slow pace, they are not the boasting narcissist and brute elephant in the global system like the US. They don’t want to follow up on Soviet style too. Powerful, but very big, and consequently very difficult to control internally.

    • Agree: utu
  202. @Anonymous

    And then nukes rain down.

    Remember, bioweapons are WMDs.

    Do tell, why couldn’t China retaliate with the same types of bioweapons? Same plausible deniability that you love so much. What, it only works for USA and not China?

    Do tell, are you one of the crazies?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  203. Johan says:
    @Sean

    I suppose they also are careful not to alarm the whole Western establishment and half of the public, which consists of old and young men (and women) who are still worried about, if not obsessed with a bygone Nazi regime, and owned by the Israel lobby.

  204. Johan says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    “Let’s say, in six instances, the lab techs claim they found a great amount of virus in the patients.

    Well, those patients should be sick.

    Are they? ARE THEY?

    “We’ve determined that patients 4, 9, 32, 54, 65, and 86 all have a huge amount of virus in their bodies.”

    “Interesting. Thanks. Let’s see. Hmm. Turns out these people are fit as a fiddle. Not sick. I guess your test didn’t work. It’s a flop.””

    Problem: you can carry a virus without being sick from it, without displaying any symptoms, feeling as fit as a fiddle. Then more complexity kicks into the calculation, how probable it is that you carry a virus without displaying symptoms, how much that happens relatively, making it more or less probable that out of five tested individuals none display symptoms.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  205. Back when the MSM was not just a mouthpiece for big pharma and the vaccine industries. God how I miss those days.

  206. Tor597 says:
    @Anonymous

    I understand the don’t retaliate logic.

    But at the same time, if you don’t retaliate you only embolden a bully. At some point you have to punch someone in the nose to make them back off. Trying to appease America won’t work and will only signal weakness.

    Plus, this pandemic really exposed the major weakness America has. Unlike China who has no problems facing difficult times to see a problem through, America has to ability to face any hardship at all.

  207. Tor597 says:
    @kauchai

    So in other words you have nothing.

    You either have links that show US Service members were sick and post them, or you don’t have anything.

    • Replies: @kauchai
  208. @Johan

    And this has been going on since Christ was a corporal. We are now being told we must basically shut the world down over a fcking cold/flu virus. ALERT: If you don’t feel sick, You Ain’t Sick!
    You can hide and cower like a little bitch, or you can live your life without fear. The choice is yours.

    • Replies: @Johan
  209. kauchai says:
    @Tor597

    I have already told you where to look and what to look out for. The fact that you can compose this reply proves that you are of sound mind and not an invalid. Now go do some work.

  210. Johan says:
    @d dan

    To block FB is to keep Western madness out, like the Russians are intent on keeping out the madness of Western so called ‘progressive’ ideology (emotionalist savagism) and vulture capitalism,as far is it is not already contaminated. This individual really underestimates the cultural strategical intelligence of the leaders in China if he claims that it is just because these companies refuse to obey laws. Or when he explains it like he does.

    It is even justified and very understandable when countries ban Western perversions like the ubiquitous porn, progressivism, obsessive commercialism, materialism and whatever culturally disruptive Western ideological madness. In fact when they ban that was is the product of a degraded and diseased culture, post WWII US culture, it is a cultural quarantine policy (you import what you need, and block what is diseased, or block what could amount to a cultural trojan horse). This is regardless of whether these countries are good or bad, or have their own cultural diseases. Banning certain products from thé sickness of the world in the form of the US, and the contaminated minor puppet countries like Great Britain, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Sweden etc. is a policy which prevents global contamination, it reduces the geographical grip of global ideological power mongers. Though the ideological products of the US (among one of these is Facebook) and its host parasite Israel are the most culturally explosive, disruptive, and possibly lethal to a culture.

    • Replies: @d dan
  211. Thomasina says:
    @d dan

    Dr. Li sent out a warning to fellow medics on December 30th, but police told him to stop “making false comments”. He said he had noticed seven cases of what looked to him like a SARS-type illness.

    Speaking in a chat room and warning your fellow doctors to wear protective clothing is hardly shouting “fire” in a crowded cinema. And the reason I say this? Because he was proven correct, there WAS a SARS-type virus that was causing pneumonia in large numbers.

    Since that time, there’s been over 3,000 deaths in China alone, and over 600 in Italy and 300 in Iran. He was right to warn his fellow doctors of a “potential” deadly virus.

    You only get charged with yelling “fire” in a crowded cinema when you are wrong and someone gets injured because of you being wrong. Who is going to come after you for being right?

    This isn’t hindsight. This is acknowledging the foresight Dr. Li had in correctly identifying a potentially lethal illness.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @d dan
  212. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    why couldn’t China retaliate with the same types of bioweapons?

    No need. The bat flu is already raging in the US and the Trump administration is happy to let it rip: testing is virtually nil, which means no quarantines or sequestrations, which leaves the virus an unobstructed path through American society. it will likely be particularly bad in Los Angeles and San Francisco with their shit-smeared side-walks.

    Admittedly, as I was excoriated for pointing out here some time ago, bat flu kills mainly retired persons, which means the worse it gets the longer delayed will be the bankruptcy of America’s Social Security system. So even though it may look like retribution, the boomerang effect of the Wuhan flu is highly positive so far as the US Federal budget is concerned.

  213. Johan says:
    @d dan

    Regarding protests being allowed and there being a certain amount of freedom in China, the view of Nathan Rich is again quite naive and from a small perspective. The Chinese authorities are these days refined in strategic intelligence. They realized that to insist on a pure communist system means that the empire will continue to be behind on the Western world, that masses of people and elites in this very big and difficult to control country (unlike much smaller communist countries) when they get acquainted with the level of Western wealth and technology will become very unsatisfied and hard to control. In addition the empire is going to look more and more silly and backwards compared to other countries when the stifling communist system is insisted on. They realized that you cannot go against such an enormous wave, and that the intelligent way is to jump on it, control it, and use it for your advantage, another ‘leap forward’ in the form of controlled capitalism.

    In the same way, to violently crack down on all protests and undesired speech is to ask for trouble, and to have a bad image for the rest of the world, possibly leading to sanctions. Here also you go with the wave strategically instead of against it, and you control it in a more refined and intelligent manner. In this case also arguments against your system loose their force, especially because both Western and the Chinese system are systems of hyper-regulated puppets, and puppet control.

    Especially the US, with its crude and boasting character, its materialism and its blinding narcissism as ‘leader of the world’ is incapable of estimating the refined intelligence of Chinese elites. At least there he makes a good point about cultural differences.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  214. Erebus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The original is more nuanced and less complimentary to the authorities than the excerpt suggests…

  215. d dan says:
    @Johan

    “To block FB is to keep Western madness out, like the Russians are intent on keeping out the madness of Western so called ‘progressive’ ideology (emotionalist savagism) and vulture capitalism,as far is it is not already contaminated. This individual really underestimates the cultural strategical intelligence of the leaders in China if he claims that it is just because these companies refuse to obey laws. Or when he explains it like he does.”

    Agree with you there is strategic depth to the blocking of Facebook. I don’t know whether Nathan Rich fully appreciates those reasoning. But he is trying to explain to Westerners, so he has to used language and reasoning that his audience understand.

  216. @Godfree Roberts

    Not 100% sure what I was replying to (might have been your earlier comment) but I think my point was that Dr Li was perhaps doing the right thing by bringing it up with his colleagues because the governments were very far from being ion top of it or adopting procedures which the police properly waited on because the mention of SARS could have provoked panic and rumour.

  217. @Johan

    The Nazis only had about 10 years to indoctrinate young Germans and we know what most of them were willing to do, believing in the Nazi régime and it’s myths. So it would be surprising if the CCP couldn’t maintain a mostly loyal populace. Unfortunately the splendid journalist and standup comedian Vicky Xu who featured on Australia’s ABC “Australian Story” on Monday evening will never be typical.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-09/vicky-xu-exposing-chinas-human-rights-abuses/11954794

    She was once a faithful defender of the CCP government.

  218. Erebus says:
    @Thomasina

    Speaking in a chat room and warning your fellow doctors to wear protective clothing is hardly shouting “fire” in a crowded cinema.

    Agreed. This was more like whispering to your movie date: “I think I smell smoke, let’s leave”.

    If there wasn’t an actual epidemic underway, I very much doubt Dr. Li’s chatter would have even been noticed. However, whistles were already blowing, the authorities knew they had a situation on their hands and one of their priorities was to commandeer the information space.

    Dr. Li was collateral damage in that, and as has been pointed out his indiscretion was handled appropriately mildly.

  219. d dan says:
    @Thomasina

    Look, Mr. Thomasina, from my previous exchanges with you in other thread, I don’t believe you are arguing this issue out of sympathy for the Chinese people or to honor the memory of Dr Li. You are arguing this because you want to embarrass the Chinese government, even the Chinese people, or just being anti-communist (BTW, Dr Li was a member of CCP).

    But I will give you the benefit of doubt one more time and assume that you are arguing in good faith rather than trolling. The following is my response:

    “Speaking in a chat room and warning your fellow doctors to wear protective clothing is hardly shouting “fire” in a crowded cinema. “

    So, you are changing your argument from “there is a fire, so Dr Li is allowed to shout it” to “Dr Li is hardly shouting fire”? Let’s analyze your new argument:

    If you are arguing that chat room is not public, so Dr Li is not shouting in the public, then I believe you have the wrong notion of “private” vs “public”. Unless there is prior legal binding contract restraining people in the chat room, anything spoken in a chat room can be leaked to the whole world.

    If you are arguing that Dr Li was ONLY warning people to be careful, then he was still implying there was an infectious disease. So that was technically shouting “fire”.

    I agree Dr Li was doing this with full good intention. So he was an honorable doctor. But was it the right thing to do? Even with hindsight, this is still not clear. Why? Considering if the police didn’t stop him, and his message became more widespread. Yes, more people may wear masks and it may save lives. On the other hand, more people may panic. Hospitals may be overloaded with healthy and unhealthy people. More people may flee Wuhan and spread the virus to other part of China or to the world. It may make the subsequent quarantine so much more difficult to implement. Who knows whether it would be 3000 deaths or 30,000 deaths by now.

    That was why those warning should be issued ONLY by public health officer who had the authority and expertise to do so. Dr Li had neither. Dr. Zhang Jixian, the director of respiratory and critical care medicine at Hubei Provincial Hospital was already ahead with the investigation and working with the city’s’ disease control center.

    “Since that time, there’s been over 3,000 deaths in China alone, and over 600 in Italy and 300 in Iran. He was right to warn his fellow doctors of a “potential” deadly virus.”

    And your argument? Dr Li should know these? So he was right? And the Chinese government should know this too? So they were wrong?

    “This isn’t hindsight. “

    Of course, it is. Everything you are arguing is using hindsight.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  220. @Johnny Walker Read

    Thank you for your link to Jon Rappoport’s article , everyone needs to read his articles on COVID-19 and the flu. As he has pointed out there is presently no accurate or reliable test in the field for COVID-19 and the PCR test is incredibly difficult to administer and is unproven. So we have lockdowns , cancellations and quarantines based on bad science. Someone has pointed out that all the hyped epidemics: SARS, ZIKA, Swine flu,H1N1, Ebola, etc. have occurred during Presidential election years .
    The powers that be create the PROBLEM, there is a REACTION from the citizenry who demand a SOLUTION , and scared and in fear the citizenry will accept any solution even if it requires lockdowns, mandatory vaccinations, increased surveillance , quarantines and, the icing on the cake for the medical industrial industry (MIC), $8.3 billion dollars in federal spending .Politicians running for office and re-election can look good by appearing to do something to combat the “epidemic” and Trump can blame the coming recession on the outbreak of the Coronavirus.

  221. For what it’s worth (I know it’s the Washington Examiner ) :”Italy has an old population, that’s why so many are dying from Coronavirus [the flu]” washingtonexaminer.com. They are culling the “useless eaters” , I will likely be joining them soon , as I am over 70 and am getting my “gifts from the government”-social security and medicare.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  222. @9/11 Inside job

    Thank’s 9/11 Inside job . I’ve been forcing myself to watch the MSM national news for the last 2 weeks just to see the level of fear porn that is being pumped out. It is incredible. At least 15 minutes of a 30 minute show is spent daily on CV fear mongering. Last nights lead headline on CBS News with Laura “Ho”Donnell: The Shut Down Of America Continues. blah, blah, blah, blah.

    You have absolutely nailed it with your analysis.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  223. @9/11 Inside job

    I should have said the pharmaceutical industrial industry(PIC) , it’s early and the caffeine has yet to kick in , so I apologize for any other errors in my comment.

  224. This Is a Test: How Will the Constitution Fare During a Nationwide Lockdown?

    This is not a test of our commitment to basic hygiene or disaster preparedness or our ability to come together as a nation in times of crisis, although we’re not doing so well on any of those fronts.

    No, what is about to unfold over the next few weeks is a test to see how well we have assimilated the government’s lessons in compliance, fear and police state tactics; a test to see how quickly we’ll march in lockstep with the government’s dictates, no questions asked; and a test to see how little resistance we offer up to the government’s power grabs when made in the name of national security.

    Most critically of all, this is a test to see whether the Constitution—and our commitment to the principles enshrined in the Bill of Rights—can survive a national crisis and true state of emergency.

    https://mailchi.mp/rutherford/how-will-the-constitution-fare-during-a-nationwide-lockdown-by-john-w-whitehead?e=52306d779a

  225. Johan says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Mass hysteria now spreads over the world in a second, due to democracy and its pathetic belief in news, participation, ‘being informed’, empowered by technology which acts as a canon or ten thousands of cannons, this is the real virus of the democratic mind. It is deliberately used and abused, and it knows no historical precedent in terms of its speed and breath of impact.
    Personally I try to keep away from media, but since it is everywhere, in shops, in public spaces, 24 hours 24 times a day on my favorite music station, the mind virus which is spread is hard to contain.

    You cannot complain about this, because fear, anger and hysteria is constantly spread because of a system, a media democracy with universal suffrage which you probably support yourself. The current corona hysteria is just one of many occurrences of collective hysteria, the climate change hoax is another, etc.

  226. @denk

    We were talking about cars not the military. You’re a typical chinaman who doesn’t know a cat from a dog (I know it’s all chopsuey to you) thus I suggest you check your own slanted brain to see if there is a QI problem before jumping into the fray!

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  227. @bjondo

    They are both monsters of our own creation thus it behooves us to check them both lest they turn on us.

  228. denk says:
    @Really No Shit

    You asked that stoopid question in a recent thread, suffering from amnesia already aint you ?

  229. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    Unless there is prior legal binding contract restraining people in the chat room, anything spoken in a chat room can be leaked to the whole world.

    Come on. “Legally binding contract”? In a chat room? Keep it real.

    Anyhow, Li re-Wechatted information he got from his hospital’s Emergency Department head, Ai Fen. In a since deleted interview with RenWu (People) magazine (but which China’s netizens have ingeniously duplicated in Morse Code, EMOJIs, ping yin and even Braille) she tells that she too was dressed down by authorities, but remains unrepentant. The hospital was rife with scuttlebutt that a new, lethal virus that did not respond to the usual treatments was afoot.

    Yeah, the authorities were “studying” it, but the front line doctors were looking at daily increases in cases and fatalities and the authorities were telling them to shut up and to not even wear masks. Then, on Dec 30 she received a lab report on one of her patients with the words “SARS Coronavirus”. She passed it to to 8 other doctors, who likewise passed it on. Li was one of those. Then came the reprimand and the clamp down.

    If her story is right Wuhan’s medical authorities were asleep at the wheel at best, or derelict in their duties at worst. Medical staff were raising the alarm for weeks before Wuhan’s health authorities stirred themselves.

    “How could I refrain from discussions with my medical colleagues knowing that a new and significant virus had emerged? I followed my intuition as a doctor – so what mistakes did I make?”

    Indeed.

    If you read Chinese, you can read a recovered/reconstructed version of Ai Fen’s interview here. If not, you’ll have to make do with an English version here.

    • Replies: @d dan
  230. @Johnny Walker Read

    Thank you , I have to give thanks to people like Jon Rappoport and Aangirfan who, unfortunately , are voices in a wilderness and whose words most often fall on deaf ears , due to the insidious power of the massmedia . And for the latest from Aangirfan, see :” Coronavirus-updated ” who today quotes Dr.SHIVA Aayudari a MIT Phd. in biological engineering and who specializes in immune system response :
    “…the Coronavirus fearmongering by the deep state will go down in history as one of the biggest frauds to manipulate economies, suppress dissent and push mandated vaccines .’ aanirfan.blogspot.com I fear that Dr. Shiva has left the reservation and we are unlikely to hear from him again.

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
  231. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @9/11 Inside job

    They are culling the “useless eaters” , I will likely be joining them soon

    Yes, that is clearly the Trump Strategy (may the bug get him soon). There has been virtually no testing in the US, so there can be no effective quarantines or sequestrations, which provide the only means to stop the spread — something the Chinese seem (claim anyway) to have done brilliantly.

    Indeed, the way in which the US and other Western states have openly adopted a “let-it-rip” policy on COVID19 makes a mockery of the idea that this pandemic is the result of an American attack on China. Either that, or it proves that American war planners are among the stupidest people in the world.

    Whether Jon Rappoport is to be taken seriously as an expert on PCR, I rather doubt. I suppose I am biased having been acquainted with one of the late Nobel Prize winning inventors of the underlying technique. Moreover, the reliability of the current tests for COVID19 must be uncertain, given the limited opportunity for evaluation. However, such research as has been conducted seems to indicate significant correlation between X-ray data indicative of infection and PCR test results. Moreover, China’s successful containment of the disease seems to have depended in part on PCR testing.

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  232. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeremygg5

    US is good at projecting . Media still touts the theory of intolerance ,authoritarianism ,lack of accountability ,lack of concerns for human lives and oppression are the hallmarks of Chinese system. Media doesn’t want to address how a country 3 times of population of US and 1/3 of the size of US can eventually control the spread of the virus. While the politics , a supposedly democratic system accountable to the voters and taxpayers came to killed the chances of containing the virus in USA.

    Here is excerpts from another site—

    The Donald Trump administration has done its best to prevent an early detection of the outbreak in Washington State and likely also elsewhere:

    As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region.

    To repurpose the tests for monitoring the coronavirus, they would need the support of state and federal officials. But nearly everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea, interviews and emails show, even as weeks crawled by and outbreaks emerged in countries outside of China, where the infection began.

    By Feb. 25, Dr. Chu and her colleagues could not bear to wait any longer. They began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval.

    What came back confirmed their worst fear. They quickly had a positive test from a local teenager with no recent travel history. The coronavirus had already established itself on American soil without anybody realizing it.

    The CDC and the FDA would not have that:

    The message from the federal government was blunt. “What they said on that phone call very clearly was cease and desist to Helen Chu,” Dr. Lindquist [the state epidemiologist in Washington] remembered. “Stop testing.” http://www.moonofalabama.com

  233. SBaker says:

    There is no vaccine, it has a higher R-naught the influenza, and a substantially higher case mortality than influenza. As it continues to expand its domain, we have much to learn about this virus that originated in a city where China has a BSL4 lab for its institute of virology–did it originate in bats? Lots of unknowns. Covid19 presents more difficulty in containment than some other viruses (SARS) because infected people shed large amounts of virus before there is any indication that they are infected (unidentified shedders travel and disseminate). It is probably already widely disseminated. Many of the positives will never be tested therefore it is impossible to trace. And what of the travelers in recent weeks from all over globe who resumed their normal activities and were not tested. Most, unless at least moderately or severely ill, are unlikely to be tested. The clinical disease as with most viral infections may vary widely from person to person. It is not possible to determine from the clinical signs who is a potential shedder despite what the talking heads tell us.

  234. @9/11 Inside job

    In the original reporting about The Coronavirus ,now a “pandemic”courtesy of the WHO ( suggestion: google “WHO and CDC corruption”) , some astute readers noticed that #33 recurred time and again and I noticed that in some the UK’s Daily Mail news items the #322 (Skull&Bones) came up a number of times which suggests that this is a Masonic psyop and, as usual, like 9/11 they have left their fingerprints at the scene of the crime and are mocking us . Also it has been pointed out that there’s been a bunch of predictive programming for such an operation over the last 30 years,or so, for example I believe that Dean Koontz in one of his novels referred to a virus as “WUHAN-400”.

  235. @utu

    Wasn’t the author alarmed by the audacity of content of the alleged speech? Who actually made available the speech in 2005? Wasn’t it The Epoch Times, the press organ of Falun Gong? Imo, the speech does not pass the smell test to be authentic. It is a psyop.

    I agree completely. This speech reminds me of the story from a year or two back, about three Russian scientists who were part of an expedition which had bored a hole through an Antarctic glacier to get to a warm lake underneath. When they got down there to investigate the wildlife (if any) they were attacked by a 14-legged, red, octopus-type creature, which they concluded, after fighting it for days, was about as intelligent as they were themselves. They eventually either captured the creature or got some of its eggs, I forget which, and were dismayed to find that instead of publishing this extremely interesting result, Putin intended to weaponize this animal and put it in the Great Lakes or the fountains of the White House or somewhere where it would be able to attack Americans. The three scientists writing this story were asking asylum in Switzerland because they did not approve. Naturally, I never heard any more about them, or it.

    • Thanks: utu
  236. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    China’s successful containment of the disease seems to have depended in part on PCR testing.

    That’s assuming China has successfully contained the disease, a claim that is reportedly denied by some people in China who say “everything’s fake”.

  237. @Anonymous

    You are assuming that the same virus is attacking Chinese as is attacking Iranians. It ain’t necessarily so. See this article: https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

  238. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    Thanks for the link. It was an interesting though somewhat somber read.

    “…authorities were telling them to shut up and to not even wear masks. “

    I can understand why they want the “shut up” part, but I missed the part where they told not to wear masks. Was it in the same link or elsewhere?

    But thank goodness, Ai Fen did manage to get most of her staff to wear masks, right?

    “If her story is right Wuhan’s medical authorities were asleep at the wheel at best, or derelict in their duties at worst. “

    I agree the authority should be much more aggressive about protecting the medical staff – including requiring them to wear masks and protective suit. That absolutely should be their first priority. But I don’t share your harsh view about the part to “shut up”.

    Ai Fen, Dr Li and the hospital staff had responsibility to protect and help people within the hospital, but they lack the knowledge and responsibility to protect and help people outside. Public health is a separate layer on top of medical sciences. It requires additional considerations like law enforcement, mass psychology, economic resources or even political input. I believe the Wuhan and central public health officers made decisions as fast, if not faster than most of the countries in the world.

    While I salute Ai Fen’s valiant fight, I think the reprimand, the hard work and the lost of lives might make her become quite emotional at the end. People need to realize that public health policy can never be perfect, won’t always be able to save every life, and will always require tremendous amount of give-and-take.

    I apologize if what I say sounds too condescending.

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    , @Wizard of Oz
  239. PROBLEM, REACTION,SOLUTION, see my comment #226 above.
    For further information see :”Understanding the Hegelian dialectic”jeremiahproject.com
    “Propagandists in the US government used the Hegelian dialectic and the 9/11 [false flag]attacks to justify its war on terror and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and to convince the American public to give up their rights to privacy for their supposed safety.” Just like they are using the “hoax” Coronavirus pandemic to
    get the American Public to give up their rights to assembly , to travel to and from Europe , to privacy and to get them to agree to mandatory vaccinations (with no philosophical or religious exemptions allowed) and the coming cashless society .

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  240. Tony Hall says:
    @Ron Unz

    @Ron Unz
    @utu

    I will respond to Ron Unz’s ad hominem and kookifying generalization where he characterizes me as a person who is “extremely gullible, tending to blindly absorb whatever conspiracy-nonsense he finds somewhere on the Internet.” This comment comes after Ron Unz introduced the discussion on this article and as an “excellent, comprehensive survey of the potential bioweapon aspect of the Coronavirus story.”

    Before dealing in a forthcoming submission with the Ron Unz’s dramatic flip flop, let me address utu’s comment. Ron Unz uses utu’s comment to introduce his more general remarks. Ron Unz specifically quotes utu as follows:

    Wasn’t the author alarmed by the audacity of content of the alleged speech? Who actually made available the speech in 2005? Wasn’t it The Epoch Times, the press organ of Falun Gong? Imo, the speech does not pass the smell test to be authentic. It is a psyop.

    Well yes I did find the part of the speech I quoted together with the text of the larger speech to be alarming. But before getting into the discussion of the speech and its sources, please allow me to back up a bit.

    Recall that in the article above I had identified Epoch Times as a media vehicle of Falun Gong. My own introduction to the existence of the speech came not so much from Epoch Times but from GreatGameIndia. GreatGameIndia published a major series of essays on the Wuhan Coronavirus Epidemic including an allegation that the Wuhan Biosafety Laboratory had “stolen” some element of the allegedly weaponized virus from the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg Canada.

    I found it to be possibly significant that GreatGameIndia’s elaborate complex of articles on the matter included the verbatim text of J.R. Nyquist’s piece in Epoch Times. GreatGameIndia separately published Nyquist’s article under the title, “Coronavirus– China’s Secret Plan to Weaponize Viruses.”

    https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-chinas-secret-plan-to-weaponize-viruses/

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/did-chinas-plan-to-destroy-the-united-states-backfire_3223117.html

    Of course I checked for some confirmation, first that the text of the Chi speech existed at all and then that the wording and concepts corresponded more or less to the Nyquist article published in two different places. I found a translation of the text of the speech published as a specific article at Rense.com. I recall being rendered somewhat uneasy that the source was Rense. Nevertheless, by this point I had discovered General Chi’s provocative analysis in three separate sources and I decided to integrate this topic as part of the historical background in a “comprehensive survey” essay on a very fast breaking story.

    https://rense.com/general85/China’sPlanToConquer.htm

    I know Ron Unz publishes long articles on important topics, an aspect of this site which I very much appreciate. I can’t recall ever seeing, however, the host and manager of this enterprise ever do one of his giant articles on a fast-breaking story. Its not so easy to do so. Trade offs are made along the way to get the big picture story out in a timely way.

    Anyway, that’s how I came to the decision to incorporate on this basis the General Chi aspect of this story into the larger narrative. At the time I thought I was doing due diligence. If this account shows me to be a gullible person without discernment who just goes along with any old thing I find on the Internet, then so be it.

    After submitting my “Who or What?” essay to my colleagues at American Herald Tribune, where I am Editor In Chief, I found time to poke around looking at General Chi from various angles. Chi was the Chinese Minister of Defence for a decade between 1993 and 2003. There are many many reference to his famous speech. There are long versions and short versions. There are translation issues. Some web sources involve paraphrasing. Please check, for instance,

    http://www.peterjamesx.com/news/Chinese%20Defence%20Minister%20Speech.htm

    https://www.scribd.com/document/80602673/Speech-by-Comrade-Chi-Haotian

    https://www.nhpolitician.com/2005-china-defense-minister-speech-bio-weapons-will-clean-up-america-for-china-invasion/

    http://prophecyinthemaking.blogspot.com/2011/04/chinese-general-in-his-own-words.html

    https://www.newsmax.com/navrozov/china-biological-russia/2009/09/17/id/335042/

    The longest version of the text was published in 2009 by the Dept of Defence in Pakistan at

    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/war-is-not-far-from-us-and-is-the-midwife-of-the-chinese-century.30888/

    [MORE]

    Text of the speech:
    Comrades,

    I’m very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party’s cause will be carried on. In answering the question, “Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war,” more than 80 percent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations [1].

    Today I’d like to focus on why we asked sina.com to conduct this online survey among our people. My speech today is a sequel to my speech last time [2], during which I started with a discussion of the issue of the three islands [3], mentioned that 20 years of the idyllic theme of “peace and development” had come to an end, and concluded that modernization under the saber is the only option for China’s next phase. I also mentioned we have a vital stake overseas. Today, I’ll speak more specifically on these two issues.

    The central issue of this survey appears to be whether one should shoot at women, children and prisoners of war, but its real significance goes far beyond that. Ostensibly, our intention is mainly to figure out what the Chinese people’s attitude towards war is: If these future soldiers do not hesitate to kill even non-combatants, they’ll naturally be doubly ready and ruthless in killing combatants. Therefore, the responses to the survey questions may reflect the general attitude people have towards war.

    Actually, however, this is not our genuine intention. The purpose of the CCP Central Committee in conducting this survey is to probe people’s minds. We wanted to know: If China’s global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries, will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it?

    As everybody knows, the essence of Comrade Xiaoping’s [4] thinking is “development is the hard truth.” And Comrade Jintao [5] has also pointed out repeatedly and empathetically that “development is our top priority,” which should not be neglected for even a moment. But many comrades tend to understand “development” in its narrow sense, assuming it to be limited to domestic development. The fact is, our “development” refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world.

    Why do we put it this way?
    Both Comrade Liu Huaqing [6], one of the leaders of the old generation in our Party, and Comrade He Xin [7], a young strategist for our Party, have repeatedly stressed the theory regarding the shift of the center of world civilization. Our slogan of “revitalizing China” has this way of thinking as its basis. You may look into the newspapers and magazines published in recent years or go online to do some research to find out who raised the slogan of national revitalization first. It was Comrade He Xin. Do you know who He Xin is? He may look aggressive and despicable when he speaks in public, with his sleeves and pants all rolled up, but his historical vision is a treasure our Party should cherish.
    In discussing this issue, let us start from the beginning.

    As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanity as a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore, no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth. We did not originate in Africa. Instead, we originated independently in the land of China. The Peking Man at Zhoukoudian that we are all familiar with represents a phase of our ancestors’ evolution. “The Project of Searching for the Origins of the Chinese Civilization” currently undertaken in our country is aimed at a more comprehensive and systematic research on the origin, process and development of the ancient Chinese civilization. We used to say, “Chinese civilization has had a history of five thousand years.” But now, many experts engaged in research in varied fields including archeology, ethnic cultures, and regional cultures have reached consensus that the new discoveries such as the Hongshan Culture in the Northeast, the Liangzhu Culture in Zhejiang province, the Jinsha Ruins in Sichuan province, and the Yongzhou Shun Emperor Cultural Site in Human province are all compelling evidence of the existence of China’s early civilizations, and they prove that China’s rice-growing agricultural history alone can be traced back as far as 8,000 to 10,000 years. This refutes the concept of “five thousand years of Chinese civilization.” Therefore, we can assert that we are the product of cultural roots of more than a million years, civilization and progress of more than ten thousand years, an ancient nation of five thousand years, and a single Chinese entity of two thousand years. This is the Chinese nation that calls itself, “descendents of Yan and Huang,” the Chinese nation that we are so proud of. Hitler’s Germany had once bragged that the German race was the most superior race on Earth, but the fact is, our nation is far superior to the Germans.

    During our long history, our people have disseminated throughout the Americas and the regions along the Pacific Rim, and they became Indians in the Americas and the East Asian ethnic groups in the South Pacific.

    We all know that on account of our national superiority, during the thriving and prosperous Tang Dynasty our civilization was at the peak of the world. We were the center of the world civilization, and no other civilization in the world was comparable to ours. Later on, because of our complacency, narrow-mindedness, and the self-enclosure of our own country, we were surpassed by Western civilization, and the center of the world shifted to the West.

    In reviewing history, one may ask: Will the center of the world civilization shift back to China?

    Comrade He Xin put it in his report to the Central Committee in 1988: If the fact is that the center of leadership of the world was located in Europe as of the 18th Century, and later shifted to the United States in the mid 20th Century, then in the 21st Century the center of leadership of the world will shift to the East of our planet. And, “the East” of course mainly refers to China.

    Actually, Comrade Liu Huaqing made similar points in early 1980s. Based on an historical analysis, he pointed out that the center of world civilization is shifting. It shifted from the East to Western Europe and later to the United States; now it is shifting back to the East. Therefore, if we refer to the 19th Century as the British Century, and the 20th century as the American Century, then the 21st Century will be the Chinese Century.

    To understand conscientiously this historical law and to be prepared to greet the advent of the Chinese Century is the historical mission of our Party. As we all know, at the end of the last century, we built the Altar to the Chinese Century in Beijing. At the very moment of the arrival of the new millennium, the collective leadership of the Party Central Committee gathered there for a rally, upholding the torches of Zhoukoudian, to pledge themselves to get ready to greet the arrival of the Chinese Century. We were doing this to follow the historical law and setting the realization of the Chinese Century as the goal of our Party’s endeavors.

    Later, in the political report of our Party’s Sixteenth National Congress, we established that the national revitalization be our great objective and explicitly specified in our new Party Constitution that our Party is the pioneer of the Chinese people. All these steps marked a major development in Marxism, reflecting our Party‘s courage and wisdom. As we all know, Marx and his followers have never referred to any communist party as a pioneer of a certain people; neither did they say that national revitalization could be used as a slogan of a communist party. Even Comrade Mao Zedong, a courageous national hero, only raised high the banner of “the global proletarian revolution,” but even he did not have the courage to give the loudest publicity to the slogan of national revitalization.

    We must greet the arrival of the Chinese Century by raising high the banner of national revitalization. How should we fight for the realization of the Chinese Century? We must borrow the precious experiences in human history by taking advantage of the outstanding fruition of human civilization and drawing lessons from what happened to other ethnic groups.

    The lessons include the collapse of communism in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, as well as the defeats of Germany and Japan in the past. Recently there has been much discussion on the lessons of the collapse of communism in the former Soviet Union and Eastern European countries, so I will not dwell on them here. Today I’d like to talk about the lessons of Germany and Japan.

    As we all know, Nazi Germany also placed much emphasis on the education of the people, especially the younger generation. The Nazi party and government organized and established various propaganda and educational institutions such as the “Guiding Bureau of National Propaganda,” “Department of National Education and Propaganda,” “Supervising Bureau of Worldview Study and Education,” and “Information Office,” all aimed at instilling into the people’s minds, from elementary schools to colleges, the idea that German people are superior, and convincing people that the historical mission of the Arian people is to become the “lords of earth” that “rule over the world.” Back then the German people were much more united than we are today.

    Nonetheless, Germany was defeated in utter shame, along with its ally, Japan. Why? We reached some conclusions at the study meetings of the Politburo, in which we were searching for the laws that governed the vicissitudes of the big powers, and trying to analyze Germany and Japan’s rapid growth. When we decide to revitalize China based on the German model, we must not repeat the mistakes they made.

    Specifically, the following are the fundamental causes for their defeat: First, they had too many enemies all at once, as they did not adhere to the principle of eliminating enemies one at a time; second, they were too impetuous, lacking the patience and perseverance required for great accomplishments; third, when the time came for them to be ruthless, they turned out to be too soft, therefore leaving troubles that resurfaced later on.

    Let’s presume that back then Germany and Japan had been able to keep the United States neutral and had fought a protracted war step by step on the Soviet front. If they had adopted this approach, gained some time to advance their research, eventually succeeded in obtaining the technology of nuclear weapons and missiles, and launched surprise attacks against the United States and the Soviet Union using them, then the United States and the Soviet Union would not have been able to defend themselves and would have had to surrender. Little Japan, in particular, made an egregious mistake in launching the sneak strike at Pearl Harbor. This attack did not hit the vital parts of the United States. Instead it dragged the United States into the war, into the ranks of the gravediggers that eventually buried the German and Japanese fascists.

    Of course, if they had not made these three mistakes and won the war, history would have been written in a different fashion. If that had been the case, China would not be in our hands. Japan might have relocated their capital to China and ruled over China. Afterwards, China and the whole of Asia under Japan’s command would have brought into full play the oriental wisdom, conquered the West ruled by Germany and unified the whole world. This is irrelevant, of course. No more digressions.

    So, the fundamental reason for the defeats of Germany and Japan is that history did not arrange them to be the “lords of the earth,” for they are, after all, not the most superior race.

    Ostensibly, in comparison, today’s China is alarmingly similar to Germany back then. Both of them regard themselves as the most superior races; both of them have a history of being exploited by foreign powers and are therefore vindictive; both of them have the tradition of worshipping their own authorities; both of them feel that they have seriously insufficient living space; both of them raise high the two banners of nationalism and socialism and label themselves as “national socialism”; both of them worship “one state, one party, one leader, and one doctrine.”

    And yet, if we really are to make a comparison between Germany and China, then, as Comrade Jiang Zemin put it, Germany belongs to “pediatrics”—too trivial to be compared. How large is Germany’s population? How big is its territory? And how long is its history? We eliminated eight million Nationalist troops in only three years. How many enemies did Germany kill? They were in power for a transient period of little more than a dozen years before they perished, while we are still energetic after being around for more than eighty years. Our theory of the shifting center of civilization is of course more profound than the Hitler’s theory of “the lords of the earth.” Our civilization is profound and broad, which has determined that we are so much wiser than they were.
    Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages.

    These two heritages determined that we have a stronger ability to survive than the West. That is why the Chinese race has been able to prosper for so long. We are destined “not to be buried by either heaven or earth” no matter how severe the natural, man-made, and national disasters. This is our advantage.

    Take response to war as an example. The reason that the United States remains today is that it has never seen war on its mainland. Once its enemies aim at the mainland, they enemies would have already reached Washington before its congress finishes debating and authorizes the president to declare war. But for us, we don’t waste time on these trivial things. Comrade Deng Xiaoping once said, “The Party’s leadership is prompt in making decisions. Once a decision is made, it is immediately implemented. There’s no wasting time on trivial things like in capitalist countries. This is our advantage.” Our Party’s democratic centralism is built on the tradition of great unity. Although fascist Germany also stressed high-level centralism, they only focused on the power of the country’s executive, but ignored the collective leadership of the central group. That’s why Hitler was betrayed by many later in his life, which fundamentally depleted the Nazis of their war capacity.

    What makes us different from Germany is that we are complete atheists, while Germany was primarily a Catholic and Protestant country. Hitler was only half atheist. Although Hitler also believed that ordinary citizens had low intelligence, and that leaders should therefore make decisions, and although German people worshipped Hitler back then, Germany did not have the tradition of worshipping sages on a broad basis. Our Chinese society has always worshipped sages, and that is because we don’t worship any god. Once you worship a god, you can’t worship a person at the same time, unless you recognize the person as the god’s representative like they do in Middle Eastern countries. On the other hand, once you recognize a person as a sage, of course you will want him to be your leader, instead of monitoring and choosing him. This is the foundation of our democratic centralism.

    The bottom line is, only China, not Germany, is a reliable force in resisting the Western parliament-based democratic system. Hitler’s dictatorship in Germany was perhaps but a momentary mistake in history.

    Maybe you have now come to understand why we recently decided to further promulgate atheism. If we let theology from the West into China and empty us from the inside, if we let all Chinese people listen to God and follow God, who will obediently listen to us and follow us? If the common people don’t believe Comrade Hu Jintao is a qualified leader, question his authority, and want to monitor him, if the religious followers in our society question why we are leading God in churches, can our Party continue to rule China?

    Germany’s dream to be the “lord of the earth” failed, because ultimately, history did not bestow this great mission upon them. But the three lessons Germany learned from experience are what we ought to remember as we complete our historic mission and revitalize our race. The three lessons are: Firmly grasp the country’s living space, firmly grasp the Party’s control over the nation, and firmly grasp the general direction toward becoming the “lord of the earth.”

    Next, I’d like to address these three issues.

    The first issue is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany’s back then. In addition, economic development in the last twenty-plus years had a negative impact, and climates are rapidly changing for the worse. Our resources are in very short supply. The environment is severely polluted, especially that of soil, water, and air. Not only our ability to sustain and develop our race, but even its survival is gravely threatened, to a degree much greater than faced Germany back then.

    Anybody who has been to Western countries knows that their living space is much better than ours. They have forests alongside the highways, while we hardly have any trees by our streets. Their sky is often blue with white clouds, while our sky is covered with a layer of dark haze. Their tap water is clean enough for drinking, while even our ground water is so polluted that it can’t be drunk without filtering. They have few people in the streets, and two or three people can occupy a small residential building; in contrast, our streets are always crawling with people, and several people have to share one room.

    Many years ago, there was a book titled Yellow Catastrophes. It said that, due to our following the American style of consumption, our limited resources would no longer support the population and society would collapse, once our population reaches 1.3 billion. Now our population has already exceeded this limit, and we are now relying on imports to sustain our nation. It’s not that we haven’t paid attention to this issue. The Ministry of Land Resources is specialized in this issue.

    But the term “living space” (lebensraum) is too closely related to Nazi Germany. The reason we don’t want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West’s association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin’s new theory, “Human rights are just living rights,” we only talk about “living,” but not “space,” so as to avoid using the term “living space.” From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they could develop outside of China.

    The second issue is our focus on the leadership capacity of the ruling party. We’ve done better on this than their party. Although the Nazis spread their power to every aspect of the German national government, they did not stress their absolute leadership position like we have. They did not take the issue of managing the power of the party as first priority, which we have. When Comrade Mao Zedong summarized the “three treasures” of our party’s victory in conquering the country, he considered the most important “treasure” to be developing the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and strengthening its leadership position.

    We have to focus on two points to fortify our leadership position and improve our leadership capacity.

    The first is to promote the “Three Represents” theory [8], stressing that our Party is the pioneer of the Chinese race, in addition to being the pioneer of the proletariat. Many citizens say in private, “We never voted for you, the Communist Party, to represent us. How can you claim to be our representatives?”

    There’s no need to worry about this issue. Comrade Mao Zedong said that if we could lead our allies to victory and make them benefit, they would support us. Therefore, as long as we can lead the Chinese people outside of China, resolving the lack of living space in China, the Chinese people will support us. At that time, we don’t have to worry about the labels of “totalitarianism” or “dictatorship.” Whether we can forever represent the Chinese people depends on whether we can succeed in leading the Chinese people out of China.

    The second point, whether we can lead the Chinese people out of China, is the most important determinant of the CCP’s leadership position.

    Why do I say this?

    Everyone knows that without the leadership of our Party, China would not exist today. Therefore, our highest principle is to forever protect our Party’s leadership position. Before June 4, we realized vaguely that as long as China’s economy is developed, people would support and love the Communist Party. Therefore we had to use several decades of peacetime to develop China’s economy. No matter what -isms, whether it is a white cat or a black cat, it is a good cat if it can develop China’s economy. But at that time, we did not have mature ideas about how China would deal with international disputes after its economy is developed.

    Comrade Xiaoping said then that the main themes in the world were peace and development. But the June 4 riot gave our Party a warning and gave us a lesson that is still fresh. The pressure of China’s peaceful evolution makes us reconsider the main themes of our time. We see that neither of these two issues, peace and development, have been resolved. The western oppositional forces always change the world according to their own visions; they want to change China and use peaceful evolution to overturn the leadership of our Communist Party. Therefore, if we only develop the economy, we still face the possibility of losing control.

    That June 4 riot almost succeeded in bringing a peaceful transition; if it were not for the fact that a large number of veteran comrades were still alive and at a crucial moment they removed Zhao Ziyang and his followers, then we all would have been put in prison. After death we would have been too ashamed to report to Marx. Although we have passed the test of June 4, after our group of senior comrades pass away, without our control, peaceful evolution may still come to China like it did to the former Soviet Union. In 1956, they suppressed the Hungarian Incident and defeated the attacks by Tito’s revisionists of Yugoslavia, but they could not withstand Gorbachev thirty some years later. Once those pioneering senior comrades died, the power of the Communist Party was taken away by peaceful evolution.

    After the June 4 riot was suppressed, we have been thinking about how to prevent China from peaceful evolution and how to maintain the Communist Party’s leadership. We thought it over and over but did not come up with any good ideas. If we do not have good ideas, China will inevitably change peacefully, and we will all become criminals in history. After some deep pondering, we finally come to this conclusion: Only by turning our developed national strength into the force of a fist striking outward—only by leading people to go out —can we win forever the Chinese people’s support and love for the Communist Party. Our Party will then stand on invincible ground, and the Chinese people will have to depend on the Communist Party. They will forever follow the Communist Party with their hearts and minds, as was written in a couplet frequently seen in the countryside some years ago: “Listen to Chairman Mao, Follow the Communist Party!” Therefore, the June 4 riot made us realize that we must combine economic development with preparation for war and leading the people to go out! Therefore, since then, our national defense policy has taken a 180 degree turn and we have since emphasized more and more “combining peace and war.” Our economic development is all about preparing for the need of war! Publicly we still emphasize economic development as our center, but in reality, economic development has war as its center! We have made a tremendous effort to construct “The Great Wall Project” to build up, along our coastal and land frontiers as well as around large and medium-sized cities, a solid underground “Great Wall” that can withstand a nuclear war. We are also storing all necessary war materials. Therefore, we will not hesitate to fight a Third World War, so as to lead the people to go out and to ensure the Party’s leadership position. In any event, we, the CCP, will never step down from the stage of history! We’d rather have the whole world, or even the entire globe, share life and death with us than step down from the stage of history!!! Isn’t there a ‘nuclear bondage’ theory? It means that since nuclear weapons have bound the security of the entire world, all will die together if death is inevitable. In my view, there is another kind of bondage, and that is, the fate our Party is tied up with that of the whole world. If we, the CCP, are finished, China will be finished, and the world will be finished.

    Our Party’s historical mission is to lead the Chinese people to go out. If we take the long view, we will see that history led us on this path. First, China’s long history has resulted in the world’s largest population, including Chinese in China as well as overseas. Second, once we open our doors, the profit-seeking western capitalists will invest capital and technology in China to assist our development, so that they can occupy the biggest market in the world. Third, our numerous overseas Chinese help us create the most favorable environment for the introduction of foreign capital, foreign technology and advanced experience into China. Thus, it is guaranteed that our reform and open-door policy will achieve tremendous success. Fourth, China’s great economic expansion will inevitably lead to the shrinkage of per-capita living space for the Chinese people, and this will encourage China to turn outward in search for new living space. Fifth, China’s great economic expansion will inevitably come with a significant development in our military forces, creating conditions for our expansion overseas. Even since Napoleon’s time, the West has been has been alert for the possible awakening of the sleeping lion that is China. Now, the sleeping lion is standing up and advancing into the world, and has become unstoppable!

    What is the third issue we should clinch firmly in order to accomplish our historical mission of national renaissance? It is to hold firmly onto the big “issue of America.”

    Comrade Mao Zedong taught us that we must have a resolute and correct political orientation. What is our key, correct orientation? It is to solve the issue of America.

    This appears to be shocking, but the logic is actually very simple.

    Comrade He Xin put forward a very fundamental judgment that is very reasonable. He asserted in his report to the Party Central Committee: The renaissance of China is in fundamental conflict with the western strategic interest, and therefore will inevitably be obstructed by the western countries doing everything they can. So, only by breaking the blockade formed by the western countries headed by the United States can China grow and move towards the world!

    Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan and some other countries! Second, even if we could snatch some land from Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.

    Therefore, solving the “issue of America” is the key to solving all other issues. First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another China under the same leadership of the CCP. America was originally discovered by the ancestors of the yellow race, but Columbus gave credit to the white race. We the descendents of the Chinese nation are entitled to the possession of the land! It is said that the residents of the yellow race have a very low social status in United States. We need to liberate them. Second, after solving the “issue of America,” the western countries in Europe would bow to us, not to mention to Taiwan, Japan and other small countries. Therefore, solving the “issue of America” is the mission assigned to CCP members by history.

    I sometimes think how cruel it is for China and the United States to be enemies that are bound to meet on a narrow road! Do you remember a movie about Liberation Army troops led by Liu Bocheng and Deng Xiaoping? The title is something like “Decisive Battle on the Central Plains.” There is a famous remark in the movie that is full of power and grandeur: “The enemies are bound to meet on a narrow road, only the brave will win!” It is this kind of fighting to win or die spirit that enabled us to seize power in Mainland China. It is historical destiny that China and United States will come into unavoidable confrontation on a narrow path and fight each other! The United States, unlike Russia and Japan, has never occupied and hurt China, and also assisted China in its battle against the Japanese. But, it will certainly be an obstruction, and the biggest obstruction! In the long run, the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.

    One time, some Americans came to visit and tried to convince us that the relationship between China and United States is one of interdependence. Comrade Xiaoping replied in a polite manner: “Go tell your government, China and the United States do not have such a relationship that is interdependent and mutually reliant.” Actually, Comrade Xiaoping was being too polite, he could have been more frank, “The relationship between China and United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.” Of course, right now it is not the time to openly break up with them yet. Our reform and opening to the outside world still rely on their capital and technology, we still need America. Therefore, we must do everything we can to promote our relationship with America, learn from America in all aspects and use America as an example to reconstruct our country.

    How have we managed our foreign affairs in these years? Even if we had to put on a smiling face in order to please them, even if we had to give them the right cheek after they had hit our left cheek, we still must endure in order to further our relationship with the United States. Do you remember the character of Wuxun in the movie the “Story of Wuxun”? In order to accomplish his mission, he endured so much pain and suffered so much beating and kicking! The United States is the most successful country in the world today. Only after we have learned all of its useful experiences can we replace it in the future. Even though we are presently imitating the American tone “China and United States rely on each other and share honor and disgrace,” we must not forget that the history of our civilization repeatedly has taught us that one mountain does not allow two tigers to live together.

    We also must never forget what Comrade Xiaoping emphasized “refrain from revealing the ambitions and put others off the track.” The hidden message is: we must put up with America; we must conceal our ultimate goals, hide our capabilities and await the opportunity. In this way, our mind is clear. Why have we not updated our national anthem with something peaceful? Why did we not change the anthem’s theme of war? Instead, when revising the Constitution this time, for the first time we clearly specified “March of the Volunteers” is our national anthem. Thus we will understand why we constantly talk loudly about the “Taiwan issue” but not the “American issue.” We all know the principle of “doing one thing under the cover of another.” If ordinary people can only see the small island of Taiwan in their eyes, then you as the elite of our country should be able to see the whole picture of our cause. Over these years, according to Comrade Xiaoping’s arrangement, a large piece of our territory in the North has been given up to Russia; do you really think our Party Central Committee is a fool?

    To resolve the issue of America we must be able to transcend conventions and restrictions. In history, when a country defeated another country or occupied another country, it could not kill all the people in the conquered land, because back then you could not kill people effectively with sabers or long spears, or even with rifles or machine guns. Therefore, it was impossible to gain a stretch of land without keeping the people on that land. However, if we conquered America in this fashion, we would not be able to make many people migrate there.

    Only by using special means to “clean up” America will we be able to lead the Chinese people there. This is the only choice left for us. This is not a matter of whether we are willing to do it or not. What kind of special means is there available for us to “clean up” America? Conventional weapons such as fighters, canons, missiles and battleships won’t do; neither will highly destructive weapons such as nuclear weapons. We are not as foolish as to want to perish together with America by using nuclear weapons, despite the fact that we have been exclaiming that we will have the Taiwan issue resolved at whatever cost. Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves. There has been rapid development of modern biological technology, and new bio weapons have been invented one after another. Of course we have not been idle; in the past years we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind. We are capable of achieving our purpose of “cleaning up” America all of a sudden. When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focus instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country.

    From a humanitarian perspective, we should issue a warning to the American people and persuade them to leave America and leave the land they have lived in to the Chinese people. Or at least they should leave half of the United States to be China’s colony, because America was first discovered by the Chinese. But would this work? If this strategy does not work, then there is only one choice left to us. That is, use decisive means to “clean up” America, and reserve America for our use in a moment. Our historical experience has proven that as long as we make it happen, nobody in the world can do anything about us. Furthermore, if the United States as the leader is gone, then other enemies have to surrender to us.

    Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if the Americans do not die then the Chinese have to die. If the Chinese people are strapped to the present land, a total societal collapse is bound to take place. According to the computation of the author of Yellow Peril, more than half of the Chinese will die, and that figure would be more than 800 million people! Just after the liberation, our yellow land supported nearly 500 million people, while today the official figure of the population is more than 1.3 billion. This yellow land has reached the limit of its capacity. One day, who knows how soon it will come, the great collapse will occur any time and more than half of the population will have to go.

    We must prepare ourselves for two scenarios. If our biological weapons succeed in the surprise attack [on the United States], the Chinese people will be able to keep their losses at a minimum in the fight against the United States. If, however, the attack fails and triggers a nuclear retaliation from the United States, China would perhaps suffer a catastrophe in which more than half of its population would perish. That is why we need to be ready with air defense systems for our big and medium-sized cities. Whatever the case may be, we can only move forward fearlessly for the sake of our Party and state and our nation’s future, regardless of the hardships we have to face and the sacrifices we have to make. The population, even if more than half dies, can be reproduced. But if the Party falls, everything is gone, and forever gone!

    In Chinese history, in the replacement of dynasties, the ruthless have always won and the benevolent have always failed. The most typical example involved Xiang Yu the King of Chu, who, after defeating Liu Bang, failed to continue to chase after him and eliminate his forces, and this leniency resulted in Xiang Yu’s death and Liu’s victory (during the war between Chu and Han, just after the Qin Dynasty (221-206BC) was overthrown). Therefore, we must emphasize the importance of adopting resolute measures. In the future, the two rivals, China and the United States, will eventually meet each other in a narrow road, and our leniency to the Americans will mean cruelty toward the Chinese people.    Here some people may want to ask me: what about the several millions of our compatriots in the United States? They may ask: aren’t we against Chinese killing other Chinese?

    These comrades are too pedantic; they are not pragmatic enough. If we had insisted on the principle that the Chinese should not kill other Chinese, would we have liberated China? As for the several million Chinese living in the United States, this is of course a big issue. Therefore in recent years, we have been conducting research on genetic weapons, i.e. those weapons that do not kill yellow people. But producing a result with this kind of research is extremely difficult. Of the research done on genetic weapons throughout the world, the Israeli’s is the most advanced. Their genetic weapons are designed to target Arabs and protect the Israelis. But even they have not reached the stage of actual deployment. We have cooperated with Israel on some research. Perhaps we can introduce some of the technologies used to protect Israelis and remold these technologies to protect the yellow people. But their technologies are not mature yet, and it is difficult for us to surpass them in a few years. If it has to be five or ten years before some breakthroughs can be achieved in genetic weapons, we cannot afford to wait any longer.

    Old comrades like us cannot afford to wait that long, for we don’t have that much time to live. Old soldiers of my age may be able to wait for five or ten more years, but those from the period of the Anti-Japanese War or the few old Red Army soldiers cannot wait any longer. Therefore we have to give up our expectations about genetic weapons. Of course, from another perspective, the majority of those Chinese living in the United States have become our burden, because they have been corrupted by the bourgeois liberal values for a long time and it would be difficult for them to accept our Party’s leadership. If they survived the war, we would have to launch campaigns in the future to deal with them, to reform them. Do you still remember that when we had just defeated the Koumintang (KMT) and liberated Mainland China, so many people from the bourgeois class and intellectuals welcomed us so very warmly, but later we had to launch campaigns such as the “suppression of the reactionaries” and “Anti-Rightist Movement” to clean them up and reform them? Some of them were in hiding for a long time and were not exposed until the Cultural Revolution. History has proved that any social turmoil is likely to involve many deaths. Maybe we can put it this way: death is the engine that moves history forward. During the period of Three Kingdoms [9], how many people died? When Genghis Khan conquered Eurasia, how many people died? When Manchu invaded the interior of China, how many people died? Not many people died during the 1911 Revolution, but when we overthrew the Three Great Mountains [10], and during the political campaigns such as “Suppression of reactionaries,” “Three-Anti Campaign,” and “Five-Anti Campaign” at least 20 million people died. We were apprehensive that some young people today would be trembling with fear when they hear about wars or people dying. During wartime, we were used to seeing dead people. Blood and flesh were flying everywhere, corpses were lying in heaps on the fields, and blood ran like rivers. We saw it all. On the battlefields, everybody’s eyes turned red with killing because it was a life-and-death struggle and only the brave would survive.

    It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths. But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party. That is because, after all, we are Chinese and members of the CCP. Since the day we joined the CCP, the Party’s life has always been above all else! History will prove that we made the right choice.

    Now, when I am about to finish my speech, you probably understand why we conducted this online survey. Simply put, through conducting this online survey we wanted to know whether the people would rise against us if one day we secretly adopt resolute means to “clean up” America. Would more people support us or oppose us? This is our basic judgment: if our people approve of shooting at prisoners of war, women and children, then they would approve our “cleaning up” America. For over twenty years, China has been enjoying peace, and a whole generation has not been tested by war. In particular, since the end of World War II, there have been many changes in the formats of war, the concept of war and the ethics of war. Especially since the collapse of the former Soviet Union and Eastern European Communist states, the ideology of the West has come to dominate the world as a whole, and the Western theory of human nature and Western view of human rights have increasingly disseminated among the young people in China. Therefore, we were not very sure about the people’s attitude. If our people are fundamentally opposed to “cleaning up” America, we will, of course, have to adopt corresponding measures.

    Why didn’t we conduct the survey through administrative means instead of through the web? We did what we did for a good reason.

    First of all, we did it to reduce artificial inference and to make sure that we got the true thoughts of the people. In addition, it is more confidential and won’t reveal the true purpose of our survey. But what is most important is the fact that most of the people who are able to respond to the questions online are from social groups that are relatively well-educated and intelligent. They are the hard-core and leading groups that play a decisive role among our people. If they support us, then the people as a whole will follow us; if they oppose us, they will play the dangerous role of inciting people and creating social disturbance.

    What turned out to be very comforting is they did not turn in a blank test paper. In fact, they turned in a test paper with a score of over 80. This is the excellent fruition of our Party’s work in propaganda and education over the past few decades.

    Of course, a few people under the Western influence have objected to shooting at prisoners of war and women and children. Some of them said, “It is shocking and scary to witness so many people approving of shooting at women and children. Is everybody crazy?” Some others said, “The Chinese love to label themselves as a peace-loving people, but actually they are the most ruthless people. The comments are resonant of killing and murdering, sending chills to my heart.”

    Although there are not too many people holding this kind of viewpoint and they will not affect the overall situation in any significant way, but we still need to strengthen the propaganda to respond to this kind of argument.

    That is to vigorously propagate Comrade He Xin’s latest article, which has already been reported to the central government. You may look it up on the website.

    If you get on the website using key words to search, you will find out that a while ago, comrade He Xin pointed out to the Hong Kong Business News during an interview that: “The US has a shocking conspiracy.” According to what he had in hand, from September 27 to October 1, 1995, the Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachëv Foundation, funded by the United States, gathered 500 of the world’s most important statesmen, economic leaders and scientists, including George W. Bush (he was not the US president at the time), the Baroness Thatcher, Tony Blair, Zbigniew Brzezinski, as well as George Soros, Bill Gates, futurist John Naisbitt, etc., all of the world’s most popular characters, in the San Francisco Fairmont hotel for a high-level round table conference, discussing problems about globalization and how to guide humanity to move forward into the 21st century. According to what He Xin had in hand, the outstanding people of the world in attendance thought that in the 21st century a mere 20% of the world’s population will be sufficient to maintain the world’s economy and prosperity, the other 80% or 4/5 of the world’s population will be human garbage unable to produce new values. The people in attendance thought that this excess 80% population would be a trash population and “high-tech” means should be used to eliminate them gradually.

    Since the enemies are secretly planning to eliminate our population, we certainly cannot be infinitely merciful and compassionate to them. Comrade He Xin’s article came out at the right time, it has proven the correctness of our tit for tat battle approach, has proven Comrade Deng Xiaoping’s great foresight to deploy against the United States military strategy.

    Certainly, in spreading Comrade He Xin’s views, we cannot publish the article in the party newspapers, in order to avoid raising the enemy’s vigilance. He Xin’s conversation may remind the enemy that we have grasped the modern science and technology, including “clean” nuclear technology, gene weapons technology as well as biological weapons technology, and we can use powerful measures to eliminate their population on a large-scale.

    The last problem I want to talk about is of firmly seizing the preparations for military battle.

    Currently, we are at the cross road of moving forward or backward. Some comrades saw problems flooding everywhere in our country—the corruption problem, the state-owned enterprise problem, the bank’s bad accounts problem, environmental problems, society security problems, education problems, the AIDS problem, various appeals problem, even the riots problem. These comrades vacillated in the determination to prepare for the military battle. They thought; they should first grab the political reform problem, that is, our own political reform comes first. After resolving the domestic problems, we can then deal with the foreign military battle problem.

    This reminds me of the crucial period in 1948 in the Chinese revolution. At that time, the People’s Liberation Army’s “horses were drinking water” in Yangtze River, but they faced extremely complex situations and difficult problems everywhere in the liberated areas, and the central authority received emergency reports daily. What to do? Should we stop to manage rear areas and internal matters first before moving forward, or press on to pass the Yangtze River with one vigorous effort? Chairman Mao, with his extraordinary wisdom and mettle, gave the marching order “Carry on the revolution to the end,” and liberated all of China. The previously thought “serious” conflicting problems were all resolved in this great forward moving revolutionary wave.

    Now, it seems like we are in the same critical period as the “horses were drinking water” in the Yangtze River days in the revolutionary era, as long as we firmly seize the most basic principle of preparing for the military battle. The central committee believes, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved. Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites.

    Marxism pointed out that violence is the midwife for the birth of the new society. Therefore war is the midwife for the birth of China’s century. As war approaches, I am full of hope for our next generation.

    There clearly are legitimate issues that arise with respect to the possible propaganda abuses of this speech. But I don’t think its too likely that somebody other than General Chi simply invented the speech out of thin air and then pushed the concoction out widely into cyberspace.

    I respectfully submit that it is possible that utu got his balls tied in a knot because of his own views of Epoch Times and/or Falun Gong. I did indicate in the text that I found some merit is some aspects of Epoch Times’ reporting, but not before I had pointed out to readers that the venue is a Falun Gong operation. I also indicated that there is likely some CIA infiltration of Falun Gong, a factor

    As far as Falun Gong goes, I have no particular bias for or against. I devoted probably twenty times more attention in the essay to GreatGameIndia than Epoch Times. I became aware of Chi’s speech first through an essay integrated into a cluster of related essays at GreatGameIndia. In spite of my preoccupation and extensive coverage of the New Delhi publication I haven’t noticed a single comment here about GreatGameIndia. In its very provocative series of essays on the Coronavirus onslaught a significant article appeared authored by Dr. Dany Shoham. Dr. Shoham is an IDF veteran and one of Israel’s leading experts in the field of biological and chemical warfare.

    Although I didn’t say so directly in the article, let me publish my suspicion here and now that there may be more than meets the eye in the way Dr. Shoham and his collaborators in New Delhi have spun the story. Their spin extends also to The Washington Times and Radio Free Asia and Epoch Times.

    The GreatGameIndia-Shoham axis might point to an India-Israel axis hostile to China and, by extension, to the Islamic Republic of Iran. It seems the Shoham-GreatGameIndia axis and its possible appendages are quite intent on casting all the blame on the government of China even as they remain silent on the possible US role at the Wuhan Military Games. Metallicman and Spiro Skouras and Kevin Barrett and Jeff Brown among others (Godfree Roberts?) have suggested that the Military Games in late October of 2019 is probably where the COVID-19 witches brew got its initial send off into the real of human on human contagions.

    As for me, I see my own role at this stage as presenting a number of possible scenarios without taking firm positions one way or another. I didn’t get yet to the 5 G element but that aspect too deserves serious coverage especially given the importance of Huawei’s Wuhan research facilities. For some time now, 5 G has been “live” in Wuhan.

    Dr. Shoham was already spinning the “blame-China” narrative before the Wuhan Coronavirus Epidemic. In the summer of 2019 Dr. Shoman was all over the story about a possible connection between biowarfare research linking the level 4 pathogen labs in Winnipeg and Wuhan.

    Questions about the possible role of the Israeli government in the Iranian aspect of this “pandemic” have become significant since my completion of this essay weeks ago. In the case of Iran it looks like the possible targeting goes beyond the territorial base of the Islamic Republic of Iran. It seems possible that many officials in the Iranian government may have been specifically targeted. Apparently it is the more virulent “L” strain of the two COVID-19 variants that is currently plaguing Iran. Same with Italy. Italy was leading the way in Europe in buying into China’s Road and Belt initiative.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8073543/TWO-strains-killer-coronavirus-spreading-study-claims.html

    As I say, I think it important to address Ron Unz’s pretty harsh comments. I intend to go there in due course. For now I can’t help observing that Ron Unz seems to have done pretty much exactly the action that this essay was authored to expose and counteract. My being kookified by our host as a naive and gullible and undiscerning “conspiracy theorist” is ironically pretty much in line with what I argue is going on globally, inside and outside China. The resort to accusations of “conspiracy theory” have become all-too-common in attempts by the powerful to narrow the range of discussion on how the public should respond to many vital issues including the Wuhan Coronavirus Epidemic.

    To all those who have contributed to this lively discussion of my imperfect effort, thank you very much. I have learned much from your comments. And I’m proud to have played a role in laying out the basis for further discussions. Finally, thanks to Ron Unz for responding affirmatively to the request from my colleagues at the besieged American Herald Tribune to republish “Who or What”?… and ultimately to give the item top-of-the-page positioning.

  241. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    Hi d dan,

    It was an interesting though somewhat somber read.

    Did you read the Chinese, or the English, or both? If both, did the English convey a true representation of the Chinese?

    Was it in the same link or elsewhere?

    Without going back to it, I’m not sure I read it in one of my links or another (I checked 5-6 sources). I should clarify that (IIRC) the command to avoid masks came from the hospital mgmt, rather than Wuhan public health authorities. At any rate, she overrode them and told her staff they’re wearing masks or going home.

    Ai Fen, Dr Li and the hospital staff had responsibility to protect and help people within the hospital, but they lack the knowledge and responsibility to protect and help people outside.

    Well, I agree up to the point when those who ostensibly have the “knowledge and responsibility” seem asleep at the wheel.

    Look, Ai Fen et al didn’t take out ads in newspapers or broadcast SMS msgs to the public. As you say, they had a responsibility to people within the hospital and so started warning their staffs and each other to be on the lookout for this and protect themselves instead of waiting for the politicians to direct them to do it. Ai Fen followed her conscience as a doctor and acted on her responsibility to her 200 staff as Head of Emergency. By sharing her “whistle” with other depts, she allowed others to meet their responsibilities to their staffs and colleagues.

    She furthermore had responsibility for the public coming into her Emergency Dept. A kid coming in with a broken leg and then he and his family leaving with his leg in a cast and colonies of coronaviruses in their lungs due to hush orders is the very height of irresponsibility for a Dr., and Ai Fan wasn’t going to have anything to do with it.

    As for knowledge, Wuhan/Hubei’s public health authorities were apparently unaware of how the math of incipient epidemics works, or they would have realized sometime in December that the enemy wasn’t at the gates, it was inside the city walls. Much worse, of course is if they did know/suspect but hoped it would go away and not disturb their comfortable sinecures or plans for the Lunar Festival, or (more importantly) their superiors’ sinecures and plans. Politically, they may have acted “by the book”. Public health-wise, namely keeping a keen look out for threats to the public’s health and the system that maintains it, they clearly failed.

    Of course, I don’t know the protocols followed by the Chinese public health authorities, or what those above Wuhan/Hubei were telling them or allowing them to do. It is certainly not impossible that their hands were also tied, so I don’t wish to dump exclusively on them. A few of them have fought back saying that their hands were indeed tied. Hopefully, the whole lot was relieved of their duties.

    anon (228) @#238 above recounts how a similar scenario played out in Puget Sound for Dr. Chu, so this is nothing new. Bureaucrats, like Generals want to fight the war they understand and change strategies and tactics only in the face of calamity, if at all. The difference between the run-of-the-mill and the best is that the best recognize calamity when they see it, especially if they see it from a distance. They’re few and far between, but when calamity comes we call the ones who didn’t see it coming “incompetent” and replace them. That’s the way it is.

    At any rate, despite the weeks of delay, China then went into hyper-drive and dealt with it at a speed and with a bloody-minded thoroughness and efficiency that reversed the epidemic. That speaks volumes about China’s top-end governance. That the Chinese people then understood the gravity of the situation and got on the program with a grim determination that had to be seen to be believed speaks volumes about the character of the people.

    This really was a People’s War, and they’re all still fighting it because everybody knows it ain’t over. There’ll be pockets of re-infection as factories and businesses come back on line but unless the Ai Fen/Chu/Li s are ignored or silenced again one hopes they’ll be dealt with expeditiously at far lower cost.

    • Replies: @d dan
  242. vot tak says:
    @Tony Hall

    Promoting the zionazi-(very)gay newsmax. That’s the same as spamming fox network israelo-marketing, or rush limbaugh or the pindo doyen of likud propaganda, mark levin.

    The more you write here, the more you confirm your israeli view and discredit yourself.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  243. @d dan

    I think rather that you should feel apologetic for going into bat for your team without even knowing about Ai Fen. I am glad Erebus has drawn your attention to her and her good work. I returned to see if that had happened after receiving a tweet which mentioned her and led to this:

    https://scienceintegritydigest.com/2020/03/11/dr-ai-fen-the-wuhan-whistle/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Which I see has already been linked.

    • Replies: @d dan
  244. @vot tak

    Please elaborate so your readers can have reason to believe you rather than suspecting you are merely smearing him.

  245. @Tony Hall

    I started reading your comment with sympathy but I an sorry to tell you that you lost me with your quote of the supposed General Chi speech. It should have struck you by no more than half way through that it could have been inspired by The Protocols of Zion.

  246. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tony Hall

    Yes you are gullible, all right. The news about Chi’s bio weapons speech is completely made up by the Falun Gong media, which is known for producing antiChina fake news. If you know anything about Falun Gong, you would have vetted the source more vigorously.

  247. Robjil says:

    The Purim gift of 2020 is this Corona virus thing.

    Purim was March 9-11 this year. March 9th was Queen Esther fast, March 10th Purim, March 11th Walled City Purim.

    The Corona Virus hysteria came right on target.

    Other Purim gifts of the past.

    1991 -ZUS war on Iraq ends on Purim.

    2003- ZUS war on Iraq starts on Purim.

    2011- ZNATO war on Libya starts on Purim.

    2019 – ZUS “gives” Golan Heights to Israel.

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
  248. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tony Hall

    According to your critics, everything you say is made-up Zionist propaganda, which makes you, at best, a “kookified” naif, and a gullible and undiscerning “conspiracy theorist.”

    I can see that might be true. But then the argument of your critics that the US contingent of 300 armed forces personnel at the Wuhan military games sprayed virus over the batmeat counter at the Wuhan wild-life market seems, if not as kooky, whatever that means, at least as unverifiable. Moreover, it seems in the nature of the events unfolding that their origin may ever be obscure, at least to the general public.

    Perhaps, therefore, the only way to assess what is happening is to consider the likely means and motives of those in a position to dictate the course of events. As yet, however, there has been little contribution to this discussion that would suggest the likely behavior of rational actors debating the use of biological agents in pursuing corporate or national interests.

    Perhaps the dearth of such comment reflect the ignorance of participants in the debate, although the inanity, indeed obscenity of comments in response to my suggestion that the bat flu could have been loosed by agreement between the US and China as a means to lessen the burden of the aged, suggests that this is not a useful forum for such discussion, where reiteration of American culpability in the absence of evidence seems to be the main objective.

    • Replies: @Tony Hall
  249. denk says:
    @Tony Hall

    I’d believe it if a murkkan general made such outrageous remark, its par for the course in land of the crazies.

    But a Chinese gen openly advocating biowarfare and colonisation , not to mention killing his own people ?
    Sounds crazy to me,.

    Firstly , this is completely antithetical to Chinese strategists defensive doctrine.
    Besides, Chinese leaders are definitely not known for their bravado in public.

    Fact is, Chinese netizens often make fun of’ CCP’s tepid performance in public forum,

    It doesnt matter how many ‘translations’ are circulating out there.
    Until its verified by an authentic original transcript, this reeks of yet another very despicable and audacious six liars smear job.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  250. Tony Hall says:
    @CanSpeccy

    @CanSpeccy

    Perhaps the dearth of such comment reflect the ignorance of participants in the debate, although the inanity, indeed obscenity of comments in response to my suggestion that the bat flu could have been loosed by agreement between the US and China as a means to lessen the burden of the aged, suggests that this is not a useful forum for such discussion, where reiteration of American culpability in the absence of evidence seems to be the main objective.

    The possibility that this debacle starts with some sort of sort of accord between some US-based factions and some CPP-related factions I find worthy of serious consideration. No doubt biological ingredients for a bioattack can be purchased on various black markets raising the possibility that it could have started outside the control of the official apparatuses of both states. If that proves to be the case, however, many big players within the formal apparatuses of government, the banks and big corporations have piled on quite quickly and dramatically… no doubt with invasive involvements on the part of the anti-Iranian chosenites.

    I did not even try to present evaluations of the new sources I added, sources that presented versions of General Chi’s speech or paraphrased portions of it. No doubt Israel First partisans and vehement anti-communists have exploited the speech or even tailored it to some degree. Duh. To point to the existence of a source, however, is not to embrace the biases of the source. It is to lay out the basis for informed further discussion. I guess that’s what happening here. But it surprises me that in a milieu as sophisticated as this one I run into such ferociously stated assertions that to consider the positions of various players in this unfolding rush to the bottom is the same thing as endorsing the positions one tries to understand, explain and contextualize.

  251. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @denk

    I’d believe it if a murkkan general made such outrageous remark, its par for the course in land of the crazies.

    All together now:

    Murrkans bad Chinamans good.

  252. Erebus says:
    @Tony Hall

    There are many many reference to his famous speech… for instance:

    Well, the first of these states at the top of the page:

    It was obtained by The Hal Turner Show via covert means through contacts in Shanghai, China.

    One wonders whether those “contacts” weren’t Falun Gong, if Hal got it from the same “contact” Falun Gong got it from. The 3rd link is By Al Turner Radio Show and the 4th is an anonymous blogger who’s pet meme is that Trump is literally the reincarnation of Nero, apparently in fulfilment of a Biblical prophecy.

    The Pakistani “military” link does nothing to enhance the speech’s pedigree. It refers directly to Falun Gong’s Epoch Times and to Boxun.com as the original publisher (Hal Turner’s claim notwithstanding). Boxun states quite plainly in their About Us page that

    “We have limited ability to verify facts or ask follow-up questions. Most submissions are made anonymously.”

    So there we are. The “many, many references” boil down to a circle jerk of bespoke kooks.

    IOW, your otherwise “excellent, comprehensive survey” has at least one turd in it and the mechanism by which that turd slipped in there was surely “gullibility”.

  253. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    “Did you read the Chinese, or the English, or both? If both, did the English convey a true representation of the Chinese?”

    I read the Chinese, scanned the English. The translation is ok, but is awkward at some places and contains a few inaccuracies. So, I didn’t finish the English one.

    “Look, Ai Fen et al didn’t take out ads in newspapers or broadcast SMS msgs to the public. “

    Sure, but many rumors starts at the first whisper, right? If they wanted to be careful about messaging to the public, they obviously came to the source (Ai Fen, Dr Li,…)

    It is easy for me to say that the reprimand was “mild”, but apparently it was still too severe for the doctors. Perhaps the right thing to do was to have a “gentle reminder” instead.

    “As for knowledge, Wuhan/Hubei’s public health authorities were apparently unaware of how the math of incipient epidemics works, or they would have realized sometime in December that the enemy wasn’t at the gates, it was inside the city walls…. Public health-wise, namely keeping a keen look out for threats to the public’s health and the system that maintains it, they clearly failed. “

    I still think you are too harsh on them. I suspect that if I were in their position, I wouldn’t be doing much better. Remember that:

    1. It was a rare event.
    2. It was a new virus.
    3. The first fatality occurred in January 9.
    4. While Ai Fen had a gut feel that it could transmit through human, the first suspected human-human case happened only mid-January.

    So, should public officers make decisions based on intuition of doctors or wait for definitive scientific confirmation? Further, if this was really a bioweapon (attack or leak), then it was even harder for the authorities to grasp the “math”. It was hard to have a good model to predict the outcome and to guide the responses.

  254. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “… for going into bat for your team without even knowing about Ai Fen”

    My team? Which is?

    For your clarification, my position has NOT changed with Ai Fen’s interview. The position is to defend the need to have information control, or NOT to have “freedom of speech” in certain situations, even among doctors. While Dr Li/Ai Fen should communicate for their and their patients’ protection, they should also be subjected to public control of the new disease info.

    This of course is a highly unpopular position given the number of ideological buttheads in the west. Now, tell me which team do I belong to.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Erebus
  255. Erebus says:

    The translation is ok, but is awkward at some places and contains a few inaccuracies.

    Thanks for that. My concern was whether the English hyperbolized the original, so it’s good to know it doesn’t.

    I still think you are too harsh on them….
    1. It was a rare event.
    2. It was a new virus.
    3. The first fatality occurred in January 9.
    4. While Ai Fen had a gut feel that it could transmit through human, the first suspected human-human case happened only mid-January.

    Well, I don’t want to flail this point forever but I’ll remind you that Ai Fen received the lab report confirming “SARS Coronavirus” on Dec 30.

    I agree that Ai Fen et al were going on “gut feel” (or rather “professional intuition”) until she had laboratory confirmation that it was both contagious and lethal. At that point she was obliged to act, and she acted quickly and entirely within the scope of her responsibilities. Accordingly, she informed the Respiratory Dept head, and subsequent events indicate that the authorities received the same confirmation within hours or even before she did.

    The 3+ weeks that transpired between that report and public action proved critical. By then there was no hiding the tsunami. Yes, during December it was “rare event” and a (sorta) “new virus”, but by Dec 30 everyone knew what it was and the alarm bells should have been ringing immediately, at least within the hospitals themselves if not yet in the wider community.

    Instead, Ai Fen et al got reprimands and told to shut up, while their case loads grew, their colleagues sickened, and their hospitals were overwhelmed.

    Perhaps I sound harsher than I intend. I’ve run into analogues of this sort of bureaucratic response countless times. Confirmation bias, complacency and careerism (the 3 deadly Cs) permeate bureaucratic thinking and we shouldn’t be surprised that it permeated Wuhan/Hubei’s public health bureaucracy. Quite likely, it permeated whoever they report to as well. It’s management’s job to keep those 3 Cs at bay. Some are really good at it, such as Ying Yong, but how many Ying Yongs are there?

    • Replies: @d dan
  256. @d dan

    Actually it might be one with a defensible position. At least you are lucid and logical which is not universal on UR even amongst those who could be.

  257. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    While Dr Li/Ai Fen should communicate for their and their patients’ protection, they should also be subjected to public control of the new disease info.

    Of course, but you keep missing the salient point on this matter.

    That’s not what they were reprimanded for. Neither released the lab report to the public, nor did Ai Fen release any personal info about the patient in the lab report to her colleagues.

    If someone downstream from them released it to the public, they (and only they) stood to be reprimanded.

    It gets worse…
    By clearly ordering them to stop communicating within the medical community and even within their own depts, the authorities de facto relieved them of the professional responsibility they had to their patients and staff, while putting them, their staff and patients in harm’s way. This is what shocked Ai Fen, and should shock you as well.

    There is a world of difference here that you’re overlooking.

    • Replies: @d dan
  258. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    “By clearly ordering them to stop communicating within the medical community and even within their own depts, the authorities de facto relieved them of the professional responsibility they had to their patients and staff, while putting them, their staff and patients in harm’s way. This is what shocked Ai Fen, and should shock you as well.”

    I DID find it shocking. My position being that they should allow medical staff to communicate freely on safety and protection matters, while sending “reminder” perhaps, (instead of reprimand) not to allow further leak about the disease outside.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  259. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    I agree that around Dec 30, the hospital should be fully alerted enough to take precautions and protection for the staff and patients. But I disagree that sweeping public actions were justified immediately, given the info available at that time. Some internal preparatory works may be, but probably not city-wide or provincial-level mobilization.

  260. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    I DID find it shocking. My position being…

    Your position has come a long way from accusing Dr. Li of shouting fire in crowded theatre, so I guess the discussion was useful. Thanks.

    • Replies: @d dan
  261. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    “Your position has come a long way from accusing Dr. Li of shouting fire in crowded theatre, so I guess the discussion was useful. ”

    If Dr Li’s message was being let out without control, it actually could have the effect like “shouting fire in….”. The authority needed to control info about the disease, so they stopped him. But they probably should NOT reprimand him, because he had full good intention to help people and not to spread rumor. It was also fortunate that the we-chat group was small.

    Yes, you have helped me to sharpen and refine my position. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Erebus
  262. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    @#266

    But I disagree that sweeping public actions were justified immediately, given the info available at that time.

    Of course. Nobody suggested they go off half cocked. I’d think that other than safety alerts, they’d want better data so they’d start reviewing December’s cases and put out a bulletins to test labs and hospitals to watch out for “xyz” symptoms, reactions to treatment, etc and report promptly. At the rate it was developing, in less than a week they’d know the score.

    From the little we know, they didn’t.

    Yes, you have helped me to sharpen and refine my position. Thanks.

    Likewise. Cheers.

    • Agree: d dan
  263. Erebus says:
    @d dan

    Here’s a recently posted article from SCMP, HK that takes a broad look at failures in China’s early warning system and may be of interest to you.

    It’s damning enough, but China was the thin edge of a very big wedge with no forewarning. Bureaucratic and/or systemic complacency could be understood in the early stages, if not entirely forgiven. Meanwhile, the US and Europe had months of warning and sat on their hands. In some cases, they’re still effectively sitting on them. That’s both difficult to understand and unforgivable.

    • Thanks: d dan
  264. denk says:
    @Tony Hall

    The GreatGameIndia-Shoham axis might point to an India-Israel axis hostile to China and, by extension, to the Islamic Republic of Iran. It seems the Shoham-GreatGameIndia axis and its possible appendages are quite intent on casting all the blame on the government of China

    US/India are the two most anti Chinese state players.

    Regarding the tsunami of pandemic that’s been ravaging East Asia in the past decades,
    People often ask,
    why not India ?
    Why do all that virus home in to Asia’s most advanced hub ?

    Relative Asian hygience index chart
    ———————
    Jp [bird flu, SARS2], SK [swine flu, bird flu, SARS2]
    Singapore [SARS1, SARS2, ….]

    TW [SARS1, SARS2, bird flu…]

    China [SARS1, SARS2, bird flu, swine flu, bubonic plagbue, army worms…..]
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    India [ZERO, NADA, ZILCH]
    ————————————–

    So indeed, why NOT India ?
    its a no brainer actually.

    https://liberaldailynews.com/2020/02/25/nero-worship-trump-and-modi-revel-in-bromance-as-delhi-burns/

  265. Tony Hall says:

    @denk

    The recent renewal in India of Hindu-Muslim animosity, to the extreme disadvantage of the minority population, underlines the pattern you emphasize Denk. Under the Hinducentric Modi government there currently is one recorded COVID-19 death in India compared to many many deaths in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Is this disparity an act of God or are there engineered factors coming into play here?

    The India-US alliance on theses issues is consistent with an India-Israel connection in the realm of bioweapons and propaganda as seems to be manifest in the relationship of Dr. Shoham to this crisis especially during its immediate prelude and aftermath.

    Where is the willingness to see the forest through the trees, to consider and discuss the larger geopolitical dimensions of the historic transformation currently underway? Where is the resolve to put the current debacle in the context of what we have learned about how the 9/11 crisis was created and exploited to advantage the few and disadvantage the largest mass of humanity? Where are the voices to demand from those currently taking control of this crisis some honest accounting of who or what started it?

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/coronavirus-in-india-what-is-happening-and-what-you-should-know/articleshow/73978271.cms

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @denk
  266. Iris says:
    @Tony Hall

    Where is the resolve to put the current debacle in the context of what we have learned about how the 9/11 crisis was created and exploited to advantage the few and disadvantage the largest mass of humanity?

    Dear Sir, this is not going to happen.

    A PhD thesis completed in Sept 2019 at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks about the demolition of WTC7 demonstrated, using state-of-the-art civil engineering software, that this building came down under “global collapse”, which in layman terms means that all key structural nodes gave up instantaneously, which can happen only under controlled demolition.

    This damning conclusion is facts, pure science and engineering, it cannot be argued against.
    As a consequence, nobody in the media evoked these works, except an author (Dr Barrett) and the esteemed editor of this website Mr Unz.

    With the all information gathered two decades after the tragedy, it is actually extremely easy to understand “how” 9/11 was carried: what is true is what fulfils the known laws of science, physics and engineering. The fact that these explanations are completely kept from the public show that the MSM are desperately covering for the real perpetrators. With regards.

    • Replies: @Tony Hall
  267. @Godfree Roberts

    Dear Godfree-

    First, thank you for the post. Sorry it took so long to respond.

    My wife has been gone on a trip ‘birding’ with her fanatical birder buddy, and got back today.

    She just read the excerpt you provided and said, “Thank you! Tell him it made me smile.” She said it was consistent with what she has been reading/hearing.

    Fingers are crossed that China is past the worst and will continue doing an exemplary job in taking care of its people and reaching out to help others (e.g., Italy, etc.) in need of their expertise and lessons learned in this tragedy.

    Interesting to see China’s FM spokesman suggesting that the US soldiers in Wuhan in October may have brought the virus over with them. The US has summoned China’s envoy on the matter: https://sputniknews.com/us/202003131078560778-us-summons-chinese-envoy-over-claims-that-american-military-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan—official/

    Things are heating up a little, I’d say.

    (One wonders what the Chinese authorities say in private about the US’ potential involvement in fomenting the outbreak….. )

    Cheers!

    MM

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  268. @Mustapha Mond

    Good. If you are interested, take a look at the timeline I’m building and, if you have any suggestions, let me know. I think it could become a useful tool: https://www.unz.com/article/coronavirus-the-plot-thickens/

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  269. denk says:
    @Tony Hall

    Who knows ?
    In another seventy years, perhaps hundred, provided the planet is still intact, somebody might spill the beans and gawd forbid…
    the potus might even apologise !
    —————————————————
    Sorry: US Apologizes for Syphilis and Gonorrhea Experiments on Guatemalans

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2010/10/01/sorry-us-apologizes-syphilis-and-gonorrhea-experiments-guatemalans

  270. Tony Hall says:
    @Iris

    @Iris

    Yes the research emerging from University of Alaska is important. We need to draw on our strategic understanding of how the official narrative of 9/11 was constructed contrary to the existing evidence. We need to utilize this understanding in order to prevent the consolidation of a pattern here to plunge humanity into even greater tyranny than was brought to us after Sept.11. China’s Foreign Ministry official, Zhao Lijan, is pushing the agenda of full disclosure.

    Much new news about the first cases, and even even patient zero, are coming to light. Was patient zero an infected US soldier attending the Wuhan Military Games in late October of 2019? Its important to read the recent articles published by Larry Romanoff at Global Research.ca.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  271. Iris says:
    @Tony Hall

    Was patient zero an infected US soldier attending the Wuhan Military Games in late October of 2019?

    Dear Sir;
    According to a respected Arab media, Covid-19 cases in the US precede those in China and were first experienced by citizens of Japanese descent in Hawai:
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/who-made-coronavirus-was-it-the-u-s-israel-or-china-itself/#comment-3771401

    Regarding 9/11, one has to consider these facts:
    – it was scientifically proven that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition (PhD thesis of UAF- Sept 2019)
    – Mr Silverstein asked to “pull down” WTC7 before its collapse
    – explosives for controlled demolition of WTC7 could not have been installed after the Twin Towers fell.

    So it is very clear that:
    – the “explosives”, whatever their nature, were in place before the alleged “plane terror attacks”.
    – the people who called the shots, the powerful masterminds of the conspiracy, where those represented by Mr Silverstein.

    This is one fundamental reason, I think, why a few readers (me definitely) are so absolutely suspicious and cynical about statements made by the likes of Colonel Dany Shoham.

    One last thing: why do you think Reuters is attacking President Trumps about alleged WH secrecy with regard to Covid-19 meetings?
    Is it just the usual “screw tightening” that the oligarchs like to apply to a President to remind him who is the real boss?
    Or is President Trump trying to respond to a scenario set by “others” to which he was not made privy?

    Thanks again for your very well-researched and comprehensive article. With regards.

  272. Iris says:
    @Tony Hall

    Its important to read the recent articles published by Larry Romanoff at Global Research.ca.

    Thanks ever so much, extremely interesting article:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078

    There has been much public speculation that the coronavirus had been deliberately transmitted to China but, according to the Chinese article, a less sinister alternative is possible.

    If some members of the US team at the World Military Games (18-27 October) had become infected by the virus from an accidental outbreak at Fort Detrick it is possible that, with a long initial incubation period, their symptoms might have been minor, and those individuals could easily have ‘toured’ the city of Wuhan during their stay, infecting potentially thousands of local residents in various locations, many of whom would later travel to the seafood market from which the virus would spread like wildfire (as it did).

    That would account also for the practical impossibility of locating the legendary “patient zero” – which in this case has never been found since there would have been many of them.

    The question now is: why has the virus jumped borders and infected Iran? Why are the Israelis boasting about it?

    Could it be an unintentional American contamination caused by a deliberate Israeli agenda?

  273. Tony Hall says:

    @Iris

    Among a number of new topics I address the question of the targeting of Iran and the possible Israeli aspect of the issue in point 247.

  274. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @JohnPlywood

    Uh, no.

    China has 896 million men and women between the ages of 16 and 59, i.e., of an age to be conscripted for military service, versus 212 million in the US, a ratio of 4.2:1.0. So sorry, but yes.

  275. @Godfree Roberts

    Hi Godfree-

    We’ll be honored to check it out. I’ll have my wife (who is out and about currently) look it over with me this evening. Not sure if we can add anything useful, but if we can help in any way, it will be our pleasure to do so.

    Not happy to hear that Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy is warning that China may see another spike in Covid-19 infections when life gets back to normal: https://sputniknews.com/world/202003151078573182-doctor-warns-china-about-new-blip-in-coronavirus-cases/

    Of course it is well understood that if you quarantine a population from a virus, no immunity is conferred, and until the populace is effectively immunized, there is the ‘boomerang’ effect of the bug coming back later to nail those who didn’t get it the first time around.

    Equally disturbing is the interview with Russia’s top pulmonary specialist, Dr Aleksandr Chuchalin, who opines that many of the Chinese who suffered badly from the virus may have long term pulmonary disease therefrom, up to and including pulmonary fibrosis. You can read a translation of the interview here: https://thesaker.is/how-to-treat-coronavirus-infection-covid-19/

    As I posted late last night re The Saker’s “Looking at the Military Aspects of Biological Warfare” article here on TUR (post #13), you simply could not have designed a better bug to hit the Chinese with (given the huge number of ACE-2 receptors in Han Chinese), as the permanent damage to the health of those Chinese who had bad cases of the virus will have long-term economic effects that may burden the PRC for decades. Thankfully, the will of the authorities in China saved the day, with quick, effective actions that paid off, as they are firmly in control and the cases are subsiding. It could have been soooooo much worse!

    But my wife and I worry about that ‘boomerang’ effect down the road. Let’s hope the wise folks at the top in the PRC are getting ready for any such recurrence, preparing the people to be hyper-vigilant, thoroughly involved and prepared, and 100% patriotic in case such a scenario should raise its head in the future.

    (My personal worry is that the ‘boomerang’ is already weaponized, more narrowly tailored, and being readied for delivery, with a new virus that might be much more lethal and contagious among Han Chinese, with the plausible deniability going something like, “Well, just like with the Spanish Flu, the virus can adapt to become more virulent, more lethal the second time around, you know. Nature can be cruel, can’t she?” Again, let’s hope and pray not. Like most sane people, I want this over asap, with as few lives lost/damaged around the globe as possible. Evil geniuses, however, may not be so inclined…. )

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  276. Paul says:

    What are the guidelines for deciding what conspiracy theory with which to get onboard?

  277. lysias says:
    @Tony Hall

    General Chi’s alleged speech reminds me of the alleged Tanaka Memorial.

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  278. Tony Hall says:
    @lysias

    Thanks lysias for the apt comparison to the Tanaka Memorial. The denialism directed at the Tanaka Memorial is indeed similar to the denialism attending the response to General Chi’s speech. The difficulty in having a rational discussion about either might also be compared to trying to have a rational discussion concerning the Protocols of the Elders… so much bluster and so little calm reflection…

  279. Tsigantes says:
    @lysias

    Unfortunately the privileged in our societies worldwide tend to be the old….60 years and over.

  280. Alistair says:

    New strains of biological warfare are being developed and deployed to produce specific politico-military objectives — not indiscriminate killing of innocent people as they used to in the early years of the 20th century.

    As a bio-weapon; the New Coronavirus was not intended to kill indiscriminately, but to cause mayhem in enemy’s state; to weaken enemy’s central government by overwhelming the state resources, while halting its economic and social development; and that’s what the New Coronavirus is doing now; paralyzing the nations for strategic leverage.

    And that’s why the US and Israel have “Engineered the New Strain of the Coronavirus” — they have deployed the Virus in Iran, in City of Qom, at the edge of Iranian desert; that was intended to give the final blow to the Iranian regime, already weakened by the most severe US economic sanctions — the new strain of the Coronavirus was intended to provoke mayhem in Iran by overwhelming the country’s limited healthcare resources — to cause public uprising, hence, leading to collapse of the Iranian regime — but something went terribly wrong — certainly way beyond the US-Israeli strategic planning.

    The New Coronavirus had leaked out of the Iranian territory to China and Italy, and later to some 200 other countries around the world, including the USA and Israel — the main perpetrators’ own territories, as such, America is now becoming the most infected nation by the pandemic. Please see the link below:

    “President Trump says he knew coronavirus was a pandemic ‘long before’ it was declared”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488031-trump-says-he-knew-coronavirus-was-a-pandemic-long-before-it-was

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