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California’s population growth is at its lowest recorded level since 1900 adding “just 21,200 residents” in the fiscal year that ended on July 1, which was just a “0.05% increase.” This decline is in large part due to the post-pandemic exodus on top of an already rapidly ageing population.

The average fertility rate for Californians was just 1.60 in 2019 compared to 1.71 for the US and the rates for 2021 will likely be even lower due to the pandemic and bleak economic prospects. Like California’s, America’s population growth as a whole has slowed to a crawl with an expected 300,000 to 500,000 fewer births in 2021.

While there is a general perception that fertility rates are just low among Whites but still relatively high among non-Whites, the trend in declining fertility impacts all races with birthrates plummeting among Hispanic, falling by “by 31 percent from 2007 to 2017.” Hispanic Birth Rates have declined even more steeply than non-Hispanic Birth Rates but are still high in southern States, such as a Totally Fertility Rate (TFR) of 3.23 in Alabama, where the Hispanic immigrant demographic is fairly recently arrived.

The racial disparities in fertility have also narrowed. For instance in 2007 there was a TFR of 1.91 for Whites, 2.14 for Blacks, and 2.84 for Hispanics with a White/Black ratio of 1.12 and a White/Hispanic ratio at 1.49.

By 2015 US White fertility was at 1.75, Black at 1.86, and Hispanic at 2.12 with a White/
Black ratio of 1.06 and a White/Hispanic ratio of 1.20.

US Fertility (2019):

Source: Chart from Birth Gauge on Twitter with data from the Wonder database of the CDC.
Source: Chart from Birth Gauge on Twitter with data from the Wonder database of the CDC.

-For Whites there was a fertility rate of 1.47 and a share of 30.5% for California compared to 1.61 and a share of 52.8% for the US.

-For Asians there was a fertility rate of 1.50 and a share of 17.3% for California compared to 1.53 and a share of 7.2% for the US.

-For Blacks there was a fertility rate of 1.5 and a share of 6.0% for California compared to 1.78 and a share of 15.5% for the US.

-For Hispanics there is a fertility rate of 1.69 and a share of 45.8% for California compared to 1.94 and a share of 23.7% for the US.

California Fertility (2019):

Source: chart from Birth Gauge on Twitter with data from the Wonder database of the CDC
Source: chart from Birth Gauge on Twitter with data from the Wonder database of the CDC

California’s birthrates have plunged to a record low which is particularly concerning, as the state has long set national trends. Fertility rates in California are well below replacement level for all racial categories with racial disparities in fertility more extreme on some county levels than on a state level. The main reason for California’s demographic transformation is not fertility rates but rather new immigrants from Asia and Latin America.

The US and California had a Latino baby boom in the 90s and 00s but rates have since declined, mirroring trends among others demographics. The exodus out of California, long disproportionately impacting Whites and Blacks, has more recently impacted Asians and Latinos. Now many of California’s Mexicans are returning home or moving to cheaper states such as Texas due to a lack of employment during the pandemic.

Source: Wikipedia
Source: Wikipedia

From 2013 to 2018 in California, Blacks saw the biggest decline in the number of births by 30%, Whites saw a decrease of 14.2%, Asians of 10.4%, and Hispanics of 11.4%.

Even with high immigration levels the sheer numbers of births have declined among all racial categories, including Asians and Latinos. Despite declining fertility rates, Latinos still made up almost half of births and over half of California’s population growth.

The decline in Latino fertility in California and nationwide was sharpest after the housing bubble bust as Latinos were hard hit by the foreclosure crisis. Latino birthrates are especially low in urban counties with rates of 1.32 for San Francisco and 1.52 for LA County.

Latino fertility is still fairly high in agriculture-centric counties such as Santa Barbara at 2.36, Monterrey at 2.28 and in wealthy Marin at 2.56. Marin County’s Latino population is disproportionately Guatemalan rather than Mexican, Guatemala is a nation with one of the highest fertility rates in the Western Hemisphere with many Guatemalans working as a service class for wealthy homeowners in Marin. There has also been a dramatic increase in migration from Guatemala and other Central American nations in contrast with declining immigration rates from Mexico.

Latinos make up a majority of births in most of Southern California and the Central Valley counties with lower shares in the Bay Area, Sierras, and far Northern portion of the State. Among majority Latino Cities in California the proportion of the population that was under 18, as of the 2010 Census, was generally in the range between the 25th to early 30th percentile.

For Latinos there is a notable class disparity in fertility. In more middle class majority Latino cities such as Montebello (medium household income of $47,562) 25.8% of the population was under the age of 18, in Whittier (medium household income of ($65,583) 25.4%, and in Downey (medium household income of $60,374) 26.8%.

The share of the population under 18 was still fairly high in poorer agriculture-oriented majority Latino cities such as Mendota (medium household income of $25,229) with 33.9% of the population under the age of 18 and Soledad (medium household income of $46,010) with 36.7% under 18. East LA had a population share of 31.5% in 2010 in contrast with 2000 when East LA had a share of 34.6% that was under 18.

It is notable in Los Angeles County that despite Latinos having a low fertility rate of 1.52 they still make up a majority of births at 53.9%. The statistics of the population share under 18 were from 2010 and will likely be lower when the 2020 census data is released.

Asians are California’s fastest growing demographic group and in the 2010s China surpassed Mexico as California’s top source of new immigrants. With lower fertility rates, the Asian population growth is almost entirely due to immigration, both nationally and in California.

Among California’s majority Asian Cities there is a remarkable uniformity in the population share under 18. As of 2010, the share was within the range of 20-23% in the cities of Rowland Heights, Walnut, Cerritos, Temple City, Diamond Bar, Rosemead, Arcadia, and Milpitas. Among majority Asian cities the lowest share was in Monterey Park at 18.1% and the highest in Camino Tassajara at 36.4%, a city notable for having a lot of new construction.

Asian fertility rates are abysmally low at 0.95 for San Francisco and 1.29 for LA County. San Francisco’s Asian population is heavily of Chinese decent, comparable to low fertility regions of Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan. If SF Asians were their own nation they would be tied with Macao and South Korea for having the world’s lowest fertility.

San Bernardino County stands out as having a notably high Asian fertility rate at 2.30. Besides being more affordable, San Bernardino County has an Asian population that is primarily Filipino, a nation which has one of the highest fertility rates in Asia.

Despite low fertility rates, the share of Asian births are highest in Santa Clara County at 43.7%, Alameda County at 36.6%, and San Francisco County at 33.7%, demonstrating that immigration has compensated for low Asian American fertility.

However many recent Asian immigrants are now more likely to settle in other parts of the nation than California. Also China having brighter economic prospects than the US could lead to a dramatic reduction in immigration similar to the decline in immigration from Korea and Taiwan which peaked in decades past, and has been in decline ever since. US politicians, however, have proposed granting refugee status to Hong Kong Chinese and India, which still has a relatively high fertility rate, will likely see immigration to the US increase.

California’s Blacks have had an exodus out of the state and contrary to stereotypes have relatively low fertility rates. The most abysmally low Black fertility rates are in San Francisco at 1.14, Alameda at 1.27, and LA at 1.31. Notably high Black fertility rates are in Fresno County at 2.18 and Kern County at 2.14. The Black share of births is overall low in California but the highest is in Solano County at 14.5%.

Black birthrates have decline nationwide and are converging with White rates, especially among Foundational Black Americans who have much lower rates than immigrant Blacks. Rates are only still high among African immigrants who make up a very modest share of California’s Black population. For instance the nation’s highest Black fertility rates are in North Dakota at 3.06 and in Maine at 3.26, states whose Black populations are primarily of foreign origin.

Among Whites the lowest fertility rates are in San Francisco at 1.02, Santa Cruz at 1.17, and LA County at 1.22, places known for their liberal politics and high housing costs. The highest White fertility rates are in Shasta at 1.83, Kern at 1.94, and Kings at 1.96 as well as in unincorporated counties-which are smaller sparsely populated counties- at 1.99. Overall these are counties that are rural, much less affluent and have more conservative political leanings.

The White share of fertility is abysmally low in LA, the Inland Empire, much of the San Joaquin Valley, and Monterrey County which has the lowest share of White births at only 18.6%.

There is a narrative about the increase in diversity reducing the White TFR, but in Kern County (1.94/27%), Kings County (1.96/27.9%), and San Bernardino County (1.76/22.4%) Whites have low shares of overall births but decent fertility rates. Access to spacious and affordable housing seems to be the key and conservative politics are a factor as well.

Counties where Whites are still the majority of births include Marin (55.5%), San Luis Obispo (59.9%), much of the far northern portion of the state including Shasta (79.4%), Placer (67.1%) and Eldorado county (76.4%) in the Sierras and in unincorporated counties at 58.8%.

Among majority White cities the highest share under the age of 18, as of the 2010 census, include middle to upper class LA suburbs of Moorpark (27.5%), Glendora‎ (27.6%), Stevenson Ranch (32.2%), and Hidden Hills (28.6%), well-off Bay Area suburbs of Pleasanton (27.1%) and Piedmont (28.3%), middle class Fresno suburb Clovis (28.1%), working class agricultural town in Butte County Gridley (28.7%), middle class Central Valley city of Ripon (28.8%), Sacramento suburbs of El Dorado Hills (29.5%) and Plumas Lake (36.6%), Riverside suburb of Temecula (30.7%), Bay Area exurb Brentwood (31.2%), and upper-middle class Orange County suburbs of Rancho Santa Margarita (29.0%) and Yorba Linda (29.3%). Ladera Ranch in Orange County stands out with an impressive share of (38.3%) under 18, higher even than most majority Latino cities.

These higher fertility majority White cities are economically diverse but what stands out is that most have a significant supply of new housing construction with many master planned communities such as Plumas Lake, Rancho Santa Margarita, Ladera Ranch and Stevenson Ranch.

The White share of the demographics of these city’s school districts ranges from 54.5% for Temecula, 55.0% for Clovis, 56.3% for Capistrano Unified which includes both Rancho Santa Margarita and Ladera Ranch along with a number of other cities, and 74% for Piedmont

Majority White cities with abysmally low shares under the age of 18 include well off urban cities of West Hollywood (4.6%), Berkeley (12.3%), and Santa Monica (14.0%), well of suburban cities such as Sausalito (8.7%), Stinson Beach (12.0%), Del Mar (13.6%), and Hermosa Beach (15.9%), the middle class suburb of Seal Beach (13.0%), wealthy cities outside of major metros such as Carmel-by-the-Sea, (10.2%), Rancho Mirage (10.6%), Inverness (10.7%), Avilla Beach (11.2%), San Luis Obispo (12.2%), Bodega Bay (12.2%), Sunnyside-Tahoe City (12.3%), Pismo Beach (13.3%), Palm Springs (13.7%), Santa Cruz (13.7%), Summerland (14.6%), Morro Bay (15.0%), and Monterey(15.3%).

The trend for these low fertility locales tends to be urban areas with expensive real estate but poor quality schools, suburbs with older housing stock, or resort and retirement destinations that lack access to high paying jobs.

There is definitely a strong anti-natalist sentiment among older liberal NIMBY’s with Santa Monica NIMBYs trying to block a pre-school in their neighborhood and Silicon Valley NIMBYs suggesting young families should leave the area.

The only two counties where Whites have fertility rates above their county’s average are San Mateo which has a White share of 35.3% but a fertility rate that is 105.9% of the county’s overall fertility rate and Santa Clara with a share of 26.8% but 101.9% of the county’s rate. Even though the White shares of births are much lower than the White share across all ages the fertility rates are higher than the overall rate. These two counties are the only in the State where the White rates are actually higher than the Latino rate (Santa Clara: Whites at 1.55 vs. Latinos at 1.53 and San Mateo: Whites at 1.60 vs. Latinos at 1.49). The Bay Area’s Latino growth has stalled due to the high cost of living, especially in the Silicon Valley.

Daly City which is the largest city in San Mateo County and majority non-White has a low share of the population under 18 at just 19.4%. Daly City is fairly middle class in contrast with East Palo Alto which is much poorer and has a high share at 31.9%.

The well off majority White cities in San Mateo County rang somewhere in between, from San Carlos with 23.6% of the population under 18, Atherton at 22.3%, and Menlo Park at 24.4%. This reflects a J-shaped trend in fertility for class in these two counties where Whites have the highest per capita income.

Whites in this region tend to be well established home owners while Asian immigrants include rank and file tech workers who are disproportionately single adult renters and also Asian and Latino fertility is crushed by the astronomical rents.

The counties where the White rate is very close to the state average include Contra Costa at 95.5% of the total rate, San Bernardino at 97.2%, Placer at 97.5%, San Francisco at 97.1%, Yolo at 97.7%, and San Diego at 99.3%.

For San Francisco the rates are abysmally low for all races due to the high cost of living, and Asians rather than Latinos being the largest non-White share. For the most part these counties are California’s Suburban White flight zones.

For Bay Area suburban Contra Costa County, the share of the population under 18 was decent in many of the well-off majority White suburbs with Blackhawk at 24.3%, Clayton at 24.4%, Lafayette at 24.9, Orinda at 25.6%, Alamo at 25.7%, Danville at 26.6% and Brentwood at 31.2%. In comparison the lower income urban majority non-White city of Richmond had a share of 24.9% under 18, a tie with wealthy majority White Lafayette.

While Contra Costa was an early White flight region, Placer County has become California’s top destination for White flight. Among Placer’s top cities, which are majority White, the share under 18 was decent with Roseville at 26.3%, Rocklin at 27.4%, Lincoln at 24.2%, Granite Bay at 26.0%, and Auburn at 26.1%.

With San Diego County, the largest city after San Diego—the majority Hispanic, Chula Vistahad a share of 27.9% under the age of 18 which is only modestly higher than the very White cities of Carlsbad at 24.1%, Ramona at 25.9% and Poway at 25.0%.

As for under-representation between the White and overall fertility rate, the most extreme disparities are in Monterrey County where White fertility is 75.5% of the total fertility rate, Santa Barbara County at 74.7% of the total rate, LA County at 84.7% of the total rate, Fresno County at 84.7% of the total rate, and Marin County where White fertility is 86% of the total rate.

Monterrey County’s well off majority White cities’ share under 18 is very low with Pacific Grove at 16.5%, Carmel-by-the-Sea at 10.2%, and Monterey at 15.3%. In contrast the majority Latino agricultural communities of Soledad had a share of 36.7% and Salinas a share of 31.4% under 18.

Santa Barbara County has the same trend with the largest city, which is majority Hispanic, Santa Maria having a share under 18 of 31.4%. In contrast the well-off majority Whites cities have much lower shares with Summerland at 14.6%, Santa Barbara at 18.6%, Mission Canyon at 15.5%, and even the ultra-wealthy Montecito at only 16.9%.

It is also noted that Santa Barbara’s school district’s demographic is only “32 percent white” with “58 percent socioeconomically disadvantaged.”

Many of these wealthy cities are resort or retirement destinations and don’t have access to high paying jobs but are still dependent upon a large service sector.

Population of LA County 10 and under (2009)

Source: LA times
Source: LA times

Population of LA County 11 to 18 (2009)

Source: LA Times
Source: LA Times

In LA the share of the population age of 10 and under and 11-18 is overall highest in lower income majority Latino neighborhoods including much of South and East LA. Watts came in at number one for the share of the population that is 10 or less, Historic South-Central and Compton were very high too, and Boyle Heights and East Los Angeles also made it in the high category.

The lower income majority Latino neighborhoods of Van Nuys, Panorama City, and Pico-Union went from medium to high and Westlake, near Downtown LA, went from low to high from the category of ages 11-18 to 10 and under. This is largely due to the surge of Central American immigrants into the Pico-Union/Westlake area and the poorer parts of the San Fernando Valley. Central American immigrants have much higher fertility rates than Mexicans/Mexican Americans.

These statistic are from 2009, reflecting the 00’s Latino baby boom, but fertility rates have declined in the 2010s with middle class Hispanic areas such as Canoga Park , Montebello, Downey, Whittier, North Whittier being in the medium category. This demonstrates a clear trend of fertility declining as Latinos become upwardly mobile.

Much of the Western portion of South LA which is heavily Black rather than Latino has much lower fertility. Modest income Black communities are mostly in the medium category while well-off Black communities such as View Park-Windsor Hills and Ladera Heights have shares under 10 that are comparable to the affluent White parts of the Westside. As with Hispanics there is clearly a trend of Black fertility declining as income rises and the inverse relationship between fertility and educational attainment is more pronounced among people of color than among whites.

As pointed out earlier, majority Asian cities such as Rosemead, Rowland Heights, Diamond Bar, and Temple City are in the medium category with Cerritos moving from medium, in the 11-18 category to low in the 10 and under. San Marino, the wealthiest of these cities went from high to low from the 11-18 category to 10 and under. Monterey Park and Alhambra were low in both categories demonstrating the trend that Asian population growth is reliant upon immigration rather than fertility.

Most of the majority White neighborhoods on the Westside were in the low category for both 11-18 and 10 and under. The Unincorporated Santa Monica Mountains and Beverly Hills standout as medium for the 11-18 category but moved down to low for 10 and under while the Pacific Palisades moved up to the medium category from low. Beverly Hills was still modestly higher than its neighbors that are part of LA’s school district.

The flatlands of South Bay were low for 11-18 but Manhattan Beach and El Segundo moved up to medium for the 10 and under category while Redondo Beach and Hermosa Beach stayed in the low category.

The cities of the Palos Verdes Peninsula were medium for 11-18 but moved to low for the 10 and under category except for Rolling Hills Estates which stayed medium.

The upper class parts of the San Fernando Valley, that are part of LA’s school district, including Woodland Hills, Tarzana, Encino, Sherman Oaks, and Studio City were low for both categories.

Agoura Hills and Hidden Hills went from high to medium, Calabasas stayed medium, but Westlake Village went from medium to low. These communities are part of the wealthy Conejo Valley and stand out in contrast with the neighboring parts of the San Fernando Valley in having higher rates for both categories. The Conejo Valley is known for its high performing Las Virgenes school district and grew up as a reaction to school busing in the San Fernando Valley in the 70s and 80s.

The wealthier White areas that have decent rankings in the 10 and under category were Hidden Hills, Agoura Hills, Glendora, Calabasas, La Cañada Flintridge, Pacific Palisades, and West Hills, areas that tend to have the higher quality schools. For instance the very exclusive Pacific Palisades had a share 10 and under of 15.0%. compared to almost as wealthy neighboring Brentwood at just 8.7%. This is in large part due to the local schools with Pacific Palisades High having a demographic that is 51% White, only 32% of the student body coming from economically disadvantaged households, and a ranking of #54 for Los Angeles Metro Area High Schools.

This is in contrast with upscale Brentwood being served by University High, the author’s alma matter, which has a demographic that was just 8.6% White in 2009 and 12.8% White in 2018, a modest bump. 74% of University High’s students came from economically disadvantaged backgrounds, and the school had a ranking of #132 for Los Angeles Metro Area High Schools.

This trend is noticeable in further out, more middle class suburbs, which have decent schools. For instance Santa Clarita was in the medium category, and nearby Stevenson Ranch went from low to high. Stevenson Ranch is exceptionally high and ahead of even East LA and Boyle Heights in the 10 and under category.

While there are legitimate quality of life and ecological problems with sprawl there is clearly a natalist impact of large scale housing developments.

Overall the areas with the most abysmally low shares under 18 and 10 and under include Studio City, Santa Monica, West Los Angeles, Los Feliz, Brentwood, Venice, Century City, Playa del Rey, Hermosa Beach, , Sawtelle, Hollywood Hills West, Hollywood Hills, Marina del Rey, and Westwood. For the most part these are areas that are upscale but with lower quality public schools and a NIMBY mentality towards building new housing.

As wealthy boomers become empty nesters and younger generations in their prime child baring age have yet to get a foothold in these upscale areas, these trends will have exacerbated since LA Times’ 2009 neighborhood data.

Percent of population under 18 in California:

Overall, the subregions that are higher in ranking among the under 18 share are poorer and majority non-White but there is a degree of nuance. The Top 15 regions were all lower income and majority non-White, including the agricultural regions of Bakersfield and Salinas, the exurbs of the inland empire, and the inner-city region of South Gate/East LA.

There is more nuance in that suburban middle-class Newhall (near Santa Clarita in LA County) is almost tied with Compton. The Mission Viejo region is fairly high too and about tied with Inglewood. The Mission Viejo region includes upper middle class White suburban cities referenced earlier such as Ladera Ranch and Rancho Santa Margarita. Noted the ultra-wealthy South Coast, nearby in Orange County was much lower than Mission Viejo.

The well off suburban region of Livermore/Pleasanton was modestly above the state average, the suburban region of Oceanside/Escondido was close to the California average, while the middle-income Latino region of Whitter was slightly below average.

The affluent majority White Central Contra Costa County was basically tied with the less affluent and more non-White and urban West Contra Costa County, and is significantly higher than the nearby heavily non-White, urban, Oakland.

Major urban areas range from Sacramento and Long Beach at slightly above the state average, to San Jose, LA, Oakland, and San Diego below the average, and San Francisco at the very bottom.

The North Coast, which is one of the state’s poorest majority White regions, and the more affluent Central Coast were fairly-low, while the affluent Santa Barbara region was abysmally low.

The North Coast includes some of The poorest majority White counties with Humboldt County at 19.5% under 18. Among lower income majority White North Coast cities, Arcata had a share of 12.6% under 18 and a medium household income of $30,244 and Crescent City had a share of 14.5% under 18 and a medium household income of $27,885.

Overall there is a trend of fertility declining as wealth increase s but unlike with non-Whites, the patterns in majority White cities in California lack any absolute fertility pattern based on wealth. The three things that seem to matter are new construction, large home sizes, decent schools, and political orientation. White people, in California and elsewhere, seem to have deeply-ingrained need to own a home before breeding.

It is clear that NIMBY policies that restrict housing reduce fertility with the housing market especially severe on first time buyers. This is caused by a limited supply due to both NIMBYism and high immigration levels putting further strain on the market.

Obviously there are strains on the working class but it also seems that the policies dominant in California act as population sinks reducing fertility even for the upper-middle class and wealthy due to costs for housing and education in expensive urban areas. The culture and policies of the State of California, we may conclude, are hyper-individualistic, not merely in the sense of the American over-valuation of “personal freedom”, but also in a much more negative and banal sense: the social and economic catering toward the atomized individual—as opposed to family, or tribe—as the basic unit in society.

 
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  1. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:

    So every US state is now below replacement fertility. Religious, conservative Utah is below 2.

    Low fertility, mudsharks, trannies, tattoos, trashy, degenerate culture. This is the end result of high personal freedom, high consumption and high life expectancy. This is what “conservatives” aim to conserve then?

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  2. what would be interesting is to see statistics about mixed race children birth rates. although collecting days would be difficult, with awkward questions such as asking the parents their race-two questions asked to determine one answer- or in the case of absent fathers, asking the mother about the race of the father.

    How much of the dismal birthrate of asians is actually composed of Hapa births?
    How much of white and Latino births are actually births of mixed race children?

    These numbers won’t be seen until years later when these children self-identify their race, and even then they might willingly or unwillingly represent themselves in surveys or even refuse to answer.

  3. Anonymous[572] • Disclaimer says:
    @anyone with a brain

    Does that even matter anymore? Since every race is below replacement, it means the population of each group will tend towards zero in the long term without immigration.

    If overall fertility were high, THEN it would really be worth asking “Who’s breeding more?”. But with fertility so low across the board it’s not even relevant.

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  4. @Anonymous

    nothing matters friend

    but nonetheless it would be neat to see which race maintains the least mixed genepool, no matter how small the genepool is. provides a more complete picture, nothing more.

    what brought up that question was that asian women are more likely to be married to non asian men than asian men. So monoracial asians might become super rare. Also would provide some fun facts to dab on asian american males online.

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  5. xxxeliss says:
    @anyone with a brain

    according to Pew 36% of asian women are married to non-asian men (mostly white) , i would say that at least 30% of births to asian women are hapa/eurasian

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  6. Ximenes says:

    Want grandchildren? Save your pennies to buy your kids a house when (and if) they get married.

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  7. northeast says:

    Hispanics are outpacing whites in NH & blacks are outpacing whites in Maine. Vermont has no data on minorities in this chart. Depressing to see northern New England slowly losing its homogeneity.

    • Replies: @bomag
  8. Creatura says:

    Well did you expect high fertility with the degenerate culture in the USA?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  9. All evidence shows declining birth/fertility rates is a good thing – not only for the environment but improving human quality of life. The people who disagree are capitalists (who want more consumers) and religious nutjobs.

  10. Watch all this change when Biden continues Obama’s policy of mass Muslim immigration. It took Blair/Brown less than a decade to utterly transform Britain’s cities and make London a “minority majority” capital with a 7 million migrant influx, the horrific consequences have been described in David Vincent’s book 2030: Your Children’s Future in Islamic Britain. Be warned.

  11. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    I’m neither (in fact I’m pretty much the opposite of both) and I disagree. If what you’re saying were true, the pinnacle of human existence would be a single human being (or a sterile couple) living alone in obscene wealth and comfort.

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  12. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Also, by the way, capitalism doesn’t want you to breed, it wants you to produce and consume as much as possible, and anything else you spend energy on besides that (like breeding) is dysfunctional from capitalism’s point of view.

    Capitalism doesn’t want to turn the world into a big India, it wants to turn it into a big United States, and that’s what it’s been trying to do, very successfully in fact, since WW2.

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  13. @Oliver D. Smith

    This is the usual blindered liberal nonsense. Nature abhors a vacuum. Fewer children only creates a vacuum that will be filled by predatory tribal immigrants who have zero regard for either the environment or your physical welfare. The best way to ensure your survival n the propagation of your values is to have many children n keep foreigners out.

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  14. Sean says:

    Obviously there are strains on the working class but it also seems that the policies dominant in California act as population sinks reducing fertility even for the upper-middle class and wealthy due to costs for housing and education in expensive urban areas. The culture and policies of the State of California, we may conclude, are hyper-individualistic, not merely in the sense of the American over-valuation of “personal freedom”, but also in a much more negative and banal sense: the social and economic catering toward the atomized individual—as opposed to family, or tribe—as the basic unit in society.

    This dovetails with what Michael Hudson talks about that: why the government ought to step in to ensure housing, medical care and public transportation are low cost. Hudson says state facilitation of low cost housing ECT was done in the past so that US workers would be competitive. I suppose this is what Galbraith talked about as the “Technostructure”.

    For the Western elite the money is being made in hypercapitalism, not industry, and I suspect the profit motive rather than individualism is at the root of both de-industrialisation and ever declining family formation. America is becoming less worried by the need to be strong industrially rather than financially. And there is no need for lots of young men to fight wars either.

  15. @Sin City Milla

    ~8 billion people and you want “many children” more. Insane.

  16. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Assuming one hectare of arable land feeds 10 people, the world has enough to feed about 17 billion people (hydroponics could potentially push that to over 50 billion). The US alone has enough to feed 1.5 billion. As for energy and pollution, this is mostly an issue of excessive and unneeded consumption, not of overpopulation.

    What you should be worrying about isn’t overpopulation, it’s dysgenics. It isn’t whites or Orientals that are flooding the world with children, it’s low IQ, low productivity, high crime, high dysfunction primitives from Africa that are doing so:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

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    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  17. @Anonymous

    Assuming one hectare of arable land feeds 10 people, the world has enough to feed about 17 billion people (hydroponics could potentially push that to over 50 billion).

    Ok but at what cost? Increasing agricultural production comes at a cost to nature, i.e. habitat and biodiversity loss. Furthermore, climate change is making agricultural land unproductive.

    By 2050, it’s estimated ~5 billion people will live in “water-stressed” regions – meaning that they cannot rely on their water supplies to meet their basic needs. https://waterfootprint.org/en/about-us/news/news/water-stress-affect-52-worlds-population-2050/

    As for energy and pollution, this is mostly an issue of excessive and unneeded consumption, not of overpopulation.

    It’s both. In regards to co2 emissions, a recent study (Chaurasia, 2020) has shown “more than three-quarters of the reductions in carbon emissions achieved since 1990 by increased efficiency and reducing carbon dioxide emissions from energy production have been cancelled out by the effects of a growing population.”

    https://populationmatters.org/news/2021/01/20/study-population-growth-cancelling-out-climate-change-progress
    https://jpopsus.org/full_articles/population-effects-of-increase-in-world-energy-use-and-co2-emissions-1990-2019/

    What you should be worrying about isn’t overpopulation, it’s dysgenics. It isn’t whites or Orientals that are flooding the world with children, it’s low IQ, low productivity, high crime, high dysfunction primitives from Africa that are doing so:

    I support lowering fertility rates globally but most African countries have low total and per capita carbon emissions e.g. a person in the UK produces 70 times the CO2 of someone in Niger, so the fewer people being born in countries with the high emissions (including most Western countries and China) – has the most immediate and positive impact on the environment and climate. Africa though has many separate issues with overpopulation. Overpopulation is a global issue not specific to one continent or region.

  18. Anonymous[720] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    “Overpopulation is a global issue not specific to one continent or region. ”

    It isn’t. It’s region-specific and race-specific. Countries like the US, Australia, Canada or Russia are VERY underpopulated compared to their resources. And they are all below replacement fertility.

    By your logic African blacks should be allowed to breed more because they consume less. But they consume less not because they WANT to consume less, but because they don’t and can’t produce anything of value. If current fertility rates remain as they are, the average world IQ will sink (even with the Flynn effect) and while “nature” may survive, humans (or at least civilization) will not.

    Overconsumption by Westerners and Orientals is most certainly an issue, but it’s a separate one from overpopulation and limiting their fertility will only cause the world to become dumber, less productive, more violent and dysfunctional.

    • Agree: Bernie
    • Disagree: Corvinus, Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  19. @Anonymous

    You appear to be a massive racist who hates black people and so want to limit their reproduction based solely on that hatred. Not worth my time to further debate on here. The race and IQ stuff is mostly pseudoscience.

  20. anon[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Yeah sure, right

  21. Katrinka says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Blacks can’t create productive stable societies without outside intervention. I’d say the science isn’t even debatable.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  22. @Oliver D. Smith

    That is certainly true in much of the world, but not to nearly the same degree here in the USA (and certainly not in Eastern Europe or Russia).

    The severe overpopulation — and consequent pollution, public filth, habitat destruction, deforestation, poverty, and misery — are concentrated among the billions of people in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, and other Arab and African countries.

    We can achieve cleaner air, cleaner and more abundant water, a regrowth of forests, a replenishment of fish stocks, and less ecological destruction / species extinction most by a large sustained drop in fertility in those countries, not the USA — it would inflict no big ecological or social problem, by comparison, for the comparatively small number of white Americans to get their act together and restore their fertility rate to replacement level.

    In the most overcrowded, polluted, and now unaffordable places in the USA, like most of California, the environmentally and socially destructive population explosion has been caused by immigration and reproduction by the descendants of very recent immigrants. The overpopulation has not been caused by white or any other native-born legacy Americans having too many kids.

    Anyway, as we descend into Idiocracy, cultural and racial balkanization, and widespread poverty and unrest here, you’ll benefit from our large-ish brood of very able, industrious Eurasian children keeping things running and fighting on the side of our remaining civilization 😉

    • Agree: Alden, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Biff
  23. @Oliver D. Smith

    I can agree with you that most peoples in most countries should have fewer children. They should do so for their own sake and for the sake of the air, water, fish stocks, forests, and fertile farmable land upon which we all depend. From most populous to least, the peoples who come to mind are those in India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, and the Philippines.

    Can also agree with the obvious fact that religious conviction is a powerful force leading people to have large families, which is an unwise decision, in the aggregate, when they lack marketable skills and education for jobs that actually are going to exist, lack resources, and lack realistic prospects for doing much better in the near future.

    By contrast, my people — white Europeans — as well as Eurasians like my children, should be having more children, as in slightly more than 2.1 per couple. It is not good for the world, or for the environment, when both white Americans and Europeans and related or compatible assimilable peoples of similar general ability, average intelligence, and civilizational affinity, are all declining in number and increasing in average age.

  24. @Anonymous

    I agree partly with you and partly with Mr. Smith. We should not get anywhere near the carrying capacity of the Earth no matter how much food our ever-improving technology can produce.

    What a Hellish, polluted, unhealthy, crowded, tense, noisy existence. No peace and quiet, no privacy, no pure enjoyment of nature. Already the population density and societies we see in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Philippines, and many African countries make them places I’d dread to live.

    White Americans/Europeans should be both increasing our reproduction AND reducing our overconsumption and waste of water, food, and natural resources.

    More of our people, but less usage and waste per capita. This probably means nuclear power and electric vehicles instead of power plants and vehicles burning fossil fuels and spewing poisons into the air and water, more solar power in the regions where it is most productive, mass recycling, somewhat less consumption of meat, more use of crops grown nearby and less use of food products flown and trucked from far away … and the setting aside of substantial additional forest and parklands that are off-limits to destruction by “development.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  25. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “The overpopulation has not been caused by white or any other native-born legacy Americans having too many kids.”

    Actually, it has been “white inventions” that has led to population levels around the world to explode.

  26. @Corvinus

    Agreed.
    Specifically, it was advances in technology in the 1960’s, hybridization of basic plant species like wheat, rice and pulses along with drilling (wells), that saw food supplies increase and populations follow.

    I came across something fascinating by chance a few weeks ago. A man named Sir A. Cotton served in the British India Administration in the late 19th century. He was an engineer by trade and advocated for a plan to build a canal system in India. I haven’t had a chance to go through his stuff in any detail but I believe that what he wanted to do was harness the power of the monsoons to create a permanent water reservoir in India. Given that the English were in India for the money, despite the propaganda they tried to sell to the natives (believe it or not this actually worked for a while until one smart soul demonstrated that the infrastructure the British installed all supported extraction), it makes complete sense that higher ups would view canal construction as a massive sunk cost.
    I bet that today, even with modern equipment, the costs are enormous. India only entered the world economy as a real player in the 1990’s after an impending financial crisis forced them to liberalize their economy. Up to that point, they had been following the Congress party dictates of import-substitution and corruption. I’m betting that the Indian’s have big plans for this. They can write a cheque to themselves to finance the construction. In stages, it could take decades to build the whole system.
    I know for a fact that Indian agriculture still suffers for lack of water. The only real agricultural development has occurred in the wheat belt (Punjab) and the rice bowl in the South. I bet that India will start projects within a decade that will transform their ability to produce food.
    India is just one country. I don’t buy global warming/climate change. I believe these propaganda campaigns ignore real issues like legacy industrial chemicals. I’d really love to see agriculture develop not just in India but in Russia and Africa. Both Russia and Africa have the capacity for incredibly increases in food production. Letting globalists set the agenda is ludicrous. Europeans and the diaspora should all be having 10 kids. We need to continue to give the world well educated and moral people to aid in world development. Constricting the supply of intelligent, energetic peoples is a goal of evil globalists like Bill Gates, Sheldon Adelson and Tim Cook who all want low iq populations to be their servants in a dystopian, nwo system with ‘smart prisons’ and ai/robotics doing all the production.
    I don’t see that as a good solution for our planet. It is in essence a neo-feudal caste system the anathema to freedom.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  27. RWS says:

    That both the world and the United States are over-populated should be obvious not only from measurable pollution and shortages, but also from the deleterious if impossible to measure spiritual and psychological effects upon populations and individuals.

    Indeed, the only “bad” effect of gradual reduction of populations would be an end to socialist largesse. But, then, we always knew that that shell game couldn’t continue forever.

    • Agree: Bert, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  28. Dr. X says:

    I see that San Francisco County has the lowest fertility rate in the state.

    I guess it’s rather difficult to sire offspring by buggering other men, isn’t it?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  29. @Oliver D. Smith

    What a foolish comment. Your point of view sounds like that of a hedonist, a nihilist, or both.

  30. @Ximenes

    This is actually a good point. Throughout history, the young helped the old and the old helped the young. families worked together; if they did not, they would not have survived. the post world war 2 mentality in the US of every man for himself is destructive, unsustainable, and nearly impossible with the price inflation of the past 50 years. I consider it to be a major error and disgrace that many people do not feel responsible to set their offspring up for long term success.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
  31. 2-4 kids per couple is ideal (I have 3). It allows you to have time for each child, while allowing you to experience the beauty of God’s most precious creations. The meaning of life is the sum of many parts, of which having and raising children and leaving a good legacy is one of the most important. Having and raising healthy children is BETTER than not having children and is inherently valuable.

  32. As there are too many human beings already, particularly high consuming First Worlders, a falling birth-rate is excellent. The human carrying capacity of the planet at California levels of consumption is a couple of billion, not seven or ten. The human population will fall, either slowly and humanely through redistributive wealth restitution and female emancipation and education and other measures, or rapidly and calamitously, perhaps totally, as a result of ecological collapse.

  33. @anyone with a brain

    ‘Mixed race’ is good. Hybrid vigour, you see.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @AKINDLE
  34. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    You may not ‘believe’ in climate change, but it believes in you. Industrial chemicals are just another killer complication.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  35. Biff says:
    @RadicalCenter

    The severe overpopulation — and consequent pollution, public filth, habitat destruction, deforestation, poverty, and misery — are concentrated among the billions of people in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, and other Arab and African countries.

    We can achieve cleaner air, cleaner and more abundant water, a regrowth of forests, a replenishment of fish stocks, and less ecological destruction / species extinction most by a large sustained drop in fertility in those countries, not the USA — it would inflict no big ecological or social problem, by comparison, for the comparatively small number of white Americans to get their act together and restore their fertility rate to replacement level.

    There seems to be this persuasive myth that third world countries, particularly in Asia and Africa, are more polluted than the United States – and it’s mostly due to over population. While large Asian cities certainly produce a lot of garbage, but on balance they usually produce less garbage than American cities per capita – and this has more to do with consumption than any other factor – New York City produces far more garbage/landfill/ocean dumps than Bangkok.

    Also, it is industry that is the prime polluter – not people – especially agricultural. The largest dead zone estuary is right out of the mouth of the Mississippi River in the Gulf of Mexico, and that has everything to do with agricultural practices up stream. The Yangtze, and Yellow river have more people living in its’ watershed ‘probably to the fifth power’, and most likely the same amount of industry, and yet they are not as detrimental to their respective estuaries.

    And as far as I know the U.S. is the only place that used to have rivers that would catch on fire from time to time.
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/

    Nevertheless, I’m a big fan of pollution. The faster humans destroy their own habitat; the quicker their demise, and it is only then this planet will become a better place.

  36. @RWS

    Pollution in the United States has been declining for 50 years, and that’s only counting carbon emissions, toxic aerosols, synthetic water pollution, etc. If you take in to account organic pollution, from things like slaughterhouse waste discharge and runoff from pre-industrial farms + poor water treatment, this world is pristine compared to the one that existed 130 years ago. The river Thames used to be pure feces back when London was a white city of a few hundred thousand.

    The single greatest environmental disaster in human history was the extermination of approximately 60 million North American bison. That was undertaken by less than 2000 white males (at any given time) armed with flintlock rifles. Today bison are making a comeback despite tens of millions of people living in their native habitat.

    People from the less populated past were inherently more destructive to the environment and more obnoxious than the global industrial system is. In particular, white male Christians appear to be like kryptonite to wildlife; their obnoxious presence seems to cause wild animals to instantly drop dead or flee to parts unknown, never to be seen again.

    But honestly, fuck the environment. Wildlife has had billions of years to do the same thing (eat, sleep, defecate on the ground) over and over again. Arguing for wildlife over the fate of your country is a major red flag for infirmity. Are you a defective female, or a fag? Cos you’re definitely not a fooken man.

    And screw autistic people who are afraid of other people. Looking forward to a world where they live in perpetual torment, from the day they are born until the day they hang themselves in their closet.

    GENESIS, 1:28
    And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

    PSALM 127:3-5
    Children are a heritage from the Lord,
    offspring a reward from him.
    4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
    are children born in one’s youth.
    5 Blessed is the man
    whose quiver is full of them.
    They will not be put to shame
    when they contend with their opponents in court.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @bomag
  37. @David Kane

    Make that Tatcher.

    These processes are nigh unstoppable once the likes of Blair should slam the brakes. Of course these types then hit the accelerator.

    There is a reason Enoch Powell was cancelled long before anyone ever heard of Blair.

  38. JxA says:

    Good. I hope the San Andreas does a hero and sinks that wretched dump into the Pacific Ocean. Forever.

    • Replies: @Onebelowall
  39. “anti-natalist”!
    I like the sound of that. When I was a kid, there were people in every direction. Millions of them. Now they tell me there are more than twice as many in the world.

  40. @Anonymous

    Yes, it’s interesting to sound out the extremes. The one last human on one side and the 8 bn and rising locust plague of rather large mammals on the other side. I’m going to be really boring and suggest a happy medium of 1,800,000,000 people enjoying beaches, mountains, cities, and wildlife.

    • Agree: bomag
  41. I really appreciate getting to see the numbers in a compact format here. I’m not particularly concerned about California, as I see it as a lost cause to any kind of normal America. I was interested in that bottom line with totals more than anything, though the State data was interesting too.

    Respectfully, Mr. Stark, I don’t think “abysmal” means what you think it means. You used the word “abysmally” 7 times to describe low fertility rates. Good or bad regarding fertility rates depends on whether you are looking at absolute or relative numbers.

    In absolute number terms, low population density is a GOOD thing. The commenter RadicalCenter explained this very eloquently here. Having more space makes for a better quality of life. In the long run, a proper amount of family formation will happen if people are not stressed, yet the religious and economic incentives for huge families are not there anymore. I don’t know if it’s your implication, but you mention immigration as if it is a substitute for fertility in a good way. That’s our elite’s attitude, and that attitude doesn’t help real Americans one bit. They have less affordable family formation (a Steve Sailer term) BECAUSE of immigration.

    California, your case in point for this article, has been ruined by a doubling of the population in a few decades. I’ve been all around CA, and I know it has some of the most beautiful landscapes of all types (real diversity) in on State, maybe one nation, there are. It’s the relative amounts of the races/ethnicities in the population that matters too. Do all these new Californians care about the beautiful mountains, desert, and coastline like the White Californians did? (OK, “do”, but how many are left?) Peak Stupidity has noted the Sierra Club sell-out on immigration to the tune of 4 million pieces of silver (today’s spot price) years ago. Lately, due to our imported multiculturalism, that supposed environmental outfit has cancelled the great John Muir, one of their co-founders. (Peak Stupidity was so angry at this that we can’t even put the post titles in a family site like unz, so I’ll just write see Part 1 and Part 2.)

    In relative terms, it matters very much to us, and the world in the long run, what the white population fertility is vs. others, most especially in what is, oops, used to be a White country. There are plenty of countries that are large majority black, and there are no complaints. There are plenty of countries that are majority Hispanic, or Oriental, or •Indian, and there are no complaints. I’m sure it would matter to them if they were getting outbred in their own lands (not a likely scenario for any of them!) This relative fertility, as seen on your bottom line, is an existential issue for White People.

  42. @RadicalCenter

    Thank you for 3 great comments, RC. I couldn’t agree with any of the rest of the comments so far*. The comments would have one part I agree with and another part I don’t. That’s likely because there’s no distinction between the arguments about absolute fertility numbers and relative numbers.

    Anyway, great writing, RadicalCenter!
    .

    * with the exception of RWS below and long-named guy (though I hardly ever read even replies to Corvinus – it’s just so time-wasting to follow any of his comments or replies to them).

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  43. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    Ouch.

    Culture can be fixed. It would help if we weren’t f’ing up the gene pool.

    Genes can also be fixed, but it is a heck of a lot harder.

  44. bomag says:
    @northeast

    Even more depressing to see a new homogeneity cascading in.

  45. @Oliver D. Smith

    CO2 emissions are not really a good indicator of much, just look at some of the countries that are below Norway or Germany in this metric and tell us with a straight face that these countries are less polluting. Is the Ganges or Yangtze really cleaners than the Rhine? Why is it that it is Third World cities that regularly top the Air Quality Index’s list of cities with the highest PM2.5/10 concentration and not cities like Oslo or Berlin?

    You are either delusional or trolling if you think the efforts to reduce fertility have to be “non-discriminating” and not targeted. Another effect of overpopulation in “low IQ countries” (I put this in brackets as they may have potential for increasing intelligence quite a bit by solving malnutrition, iodine deficiency etc) is that there are less job opportunities there and so they migrate to high-consumption Western countries where they take on our habits.

    Your denial of overpopulation being a region specific issue is also rather bizarre given that in the same comment, you point us to two links that assert the following

    1. The effects of making technologies more efficient (mostly done by Westerners) has been cancelled out by population growth (mostly done by non-Westerners)

    2. There are indeed specific regions in the world where water scarcity is a problem, but yet these regions should not be targeted for fertility reduction.

    I am pretty sure you are just trolling though.

  46. Emslander says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    religious nutjobs

    (Raised hand) – I guess you’re talking about me.

    I can assure you that my quality of life is at the peak of the human race. Not only that, I expect that the quality of my next life will be pretty good, too.

    How about yours?

  47. What is this, a statistical class or something?

    • Replies: @Marckus
  48. @Oliver D. Smith

    Agree. Some, who can’t see the big picture, can only imagine economic growth as being the product of an ever-expanding population. They don’t seem to be aware of the e.g. collapse in the ocean’s fish populations. In the future, which their policies will bring into being, we will not eat animals or plants, rather, the animal and vegetable slime which we cultivate in giant vats will be processed into various colored bricks–rather like giant bullion cubes.

    The unlimited population growth types never get out and take walks in forests and such so destruction of all natural habitat will be fine by them. Who needs the natural lyrical curves of nature when you can sit in a small cube within a large cube, look at a cube while stuffing your face with cubes?

    • LOL: Emslander
  49. The article makes clear that across the board reductions in fertility are occurring in basically all demographics, and I strongly suspect the culprit is sitting there, right on our plates, and in our smoothies and shakes:

    Soy.

    Look at who has the LOWEST fertility rates: east asians.

    And then look at who consumes the most soy-based products: east asians.

    Soy is a natural testosterone destroyer, promoting estrogen. Take a good long look at the young men in the far east and you’ll see a growing trend: the formation of breast tissue. Many look like girly-men. Not all of course, but an alarming and growing trend from the standpoint of public health.

    And what do our oligarchic overlords want us to consume more of?

    Soy!

    Soy is ubiquitous in the American diet and steadily growing as a part of the additives we see in our processed foodstuffs, and is likely a large part of the trend downward in fertility, as are the introduction and widespread use of endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDC) in nearly every aspect of our modern consumer existence.

    If you think the elites who run this planet are unaware of all this, think again.

    Regardless of your stand on over-population and its impact on the health/well-being of planet Earth, a large part of the answer as to why our fertility rates are declining steadily is contained in our diets and environmental exposures to EDCs, and therefore these rates should continue to trend downward as more and more of our diet consists of meat substitutes and soy-based products.

    Of course there are many other estrogen-raising foods out there (e.g., flax and sesame seeds), but soy is the undisputed king, or rather, queen of the feminizing foods our elites wants us to consume more of. And lower estrogen also means less aggression in males, another thing our elites want in a subservient population.

    You are what you eat. Never forget that. The elites certainly haven’t……..

  50. Sirius says:

    “Breeds” as in “who breeds” is usually used for animals and is insulting when applied to humans.

    • Replies: @bomag
  51. SafeNow says:

    No one knows how many leafblower people live in Southern California. A contractor I know has become a multi-millionaire by increasing the occupancy capacity of residences, including garages. (Even if the zoning is “single family,” legally, a “family” is defined as sharing the same vibe.) When L.A. decided to issue driver licenses to illegals, twice as many showed-up as had been expected.

    Btw, I like the “Agree” Unz button. It is traditional, accurate, non-weasily, non-jargon English. Romney recently said that he “associates himself” with Rand Paul on boys/girls sports. This is human-relations-department speak. I am glad we do not have an “associate myself with” button.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  52. bomag says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    The race and IQ stuff is mostly pseudoscience.

    Looks to be a pseudoscience that fits and predicts behavior better than any other social science heuristic.

  53. bomag says:
    @Sirius

    …insulting when applied to humans.

    Yeah, but highlights that we don’t have an especially accepted vocabulary for discussing such things in open society; it has been the kind of thing discussed behind closed doors. But it doesn’t change the facts on the ground.

  54. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Ben Carson

    oh my god! the racism on the UNZ is really huge and relentless. so is the capitalism..so much that no recommendation isn’t skewed by the comprehensive capitalist orientation of literally every commenter.

    when I was a kid I was enthralled by the process of independence of the colony of I was born and grew in. I came to know and sing the national anthem by heart and with pride. and I came into critique of the government growing up as things did not go well for our new nation

    but our Black idiot population is noted for being in fact very bright and capable even if small, and all along the way we have produced some of the most able intellectuals, not just Black intellectuals, writers scientists etc., but such professionals period globally. and in that I hold pride in the propaganda of independence which I quickly lost in the truth such intellects provided for the people.

    the most significant factor of of that truth was a conversation between the ‘british forrin’ office and the prime minister to be that went like this…’what do you want then? you can get back almost everything you may have n mind even the land now occupied by the american military base. we will have a word with the americans and you can get that back. but you know what we want. we must have that!’

    at first I was puzzled by ‘you know what we want. we must have that!’ the writer did not say, taking it for granted as I now know that we all knew. I did not but it was soon cleared up. the wanted the central bank, the treasury. there could be no argument about that. they would get the central bank or there would be no independence.

    there you have it it! a black country given independence save that it was no independence at all but a shedding of costs and routine responsibility of running the life of a people created by the British themselves, a colony of former slaves. all the song and dance of independence meant little to no freedom at but simply turning the former colony into a source of financial robbery par excellence. the parasitism of slavery have been streamlined into and even more oppressive and comprehensive form of exploitation and social control

    and that has not changed even up to this day 50 years up into the future. the process of corrupting the society has now evolved into a process of such sophistication that is no local party at all or any stripe that contains even a glimmer of a real spirit of independence and revolutionary change. all have been bought out, where the US military has not invaded and massacred and enforced

    and globally we have created and established since world war, a global organization and enforcement structure that holds most nations in place by sheer force of military intervention, color revolutions and general clandestine interventions where it is not open invasion, sanctions of economies …and on and on.

    these racists jackasses here speak ill of Africa, point to one African country that does not suffer comprehensive, focused attention from the traditional African tormentors of the western imperialist nations, with the absolutely relentless purpose of ensuring that Africa does not rise at all, given the dire potential of that for white western countries. a dire potential that clearly occupies their collective minds for no others more than they know what they have done to Black people for centuries now.

    by internal and global financial control. by global organization control…through the UN, and the financial global organizations like the IMF most particularly, Africa is totally controlled, rotten government imposed on that continent from top to bottom, always in social torment color revolutions imposed, destabilization for all development of a positive nature for the peoples of the continent

    then to listen to fools here talk the crap that they do is truly nauseating indeed. I dropped by here this morning and ran into this stupid thread, and all the anti Black racism as usual on the UNZ…the reason on and for which the UNZ Report exists apparently…anti Black racism.

    but the last time I looked the Zionists had developed something for ordinary white people have they not…Covid vaccinations with RNA and likely a whole lot more up in there.

    such vaccinations are now being administered by the zillions every day in the white world. I trust Black people are smart enough, know the white elites well enough after our horrific experience at their hands for so long now, to avoid vaccination at all and any cost…even if life is on the line. life is on the line anyway with the vaxx, so don’t take it period, at any cost, no matter what is threatened. let them shoot and die in the process. better to die a hero than to submit to that vaxx.

    But let the white racists who believe take the vaxx, Ron Unz at the head of the line. we cant stop them anyway…they believe themselves, not us. they do not listen to us…from the Black idiotocracy!

    and there is surely more in that particular pipeline for them as well…the pipeline from which the Covid 19 flows. as long as we see and recognize what’s coming out of that pipeline and avoid it all we will be fine

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Bernie
  55. bomag says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth

    The earth is full, dude. We’re in the realm of sinning now.

    In particular, white male Christians appear to be like kryptonite to wildlife

    LOL. More like their greater intelligence compelled them to record and discuss their exploits, thus setting themselves up for a future narrative that makes them the bad guy for all activities.

    The indigenes of the Americas and Australia; past and current Africans; were no slouches in removing vast herds.

  56. Marckus says:
    @Temporary Insanity

    It is a stats class and I hope you spend the next year memorising the numbers for a Biden test administered by the new Reality Department. What is going on ? Are they screwing less in California or breeding less ? Which is the reality ?? This is something the new reality Czar needs to investigate.

    Given the other disturbing directions the country is heading in, or wandering about in, I personally could give a shit who breeds who in California or elsewhere. The article is as inane as young kids giggling over their jello for no apparent reason.

    Nevertheless I will be memorising those numbers too and you may soon find that you have a blood brother. You can be Temporary Insanity and I will be Permanent Insanity.

    The US is becoming nuttier every day. Should we join the inmates and be considered sane or be mad by ourselves.

    • Replies: @Temporary Insanity
  57. Bernie says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Hahaha … the party of science, you see. Until you mention the science about race and IQ!

  58. Mefobills says:
    @anon

    oh my god! the racism on the UNZ is really huge and relentless. so is the capitalism..so much that no recommendation isn’t skewed by the comprehensive capitalist orientation of literally every commenter.

    You are confused.

    It is not racism, it is race-realism. They are two different things.

    A race realist REALIZES that there are differences in the races, as predicted by evolution. A race realist has no animosity toward the other races. A race realist REALIZES, that segregation of unlike peoples is probably the best solution, so that each race can live in harmony with their genetic pre-disposition.

    Also, with regards to capitalism, there is an on-going discussion about the differences between finance capitalism and industrial capitalism. That you use the word “capitalism” without defining the type, indicates that you are a drive-by non-serious UNZ reader, and are jumping to erroneous conclusions.

  59. Marckus says:
    @Dr. X

    Well you raise an interesting point. The whole article could have been summarised as follows:

    The overall population growth in California is Y% because
    People are:
    -Screwing less
    -Screwing more but not breeding
    -Having more non-traditional sex

    That way I would not have lost interest after the Headline.

    You have to be careful with the word “buggering”. It is not politically correct. Non traditional sex is more acceptable and does not offend anyone.

    It is more respectful to the fags, trannies, gender uncertain and LGBTQ<JBXN>X<N swarming among us these days.

  60. Bernie says:
    @anon

    Amazing. The trillions of dollars, handouts, infrastructure, technology and other elements whites have poured into Africa. And it is still not enough for some blacks.

    If blacks were capable of creating an advanced society they would have done so by now. But no such society exists and that is why blacks do anything they can to live with whites (and then complain when they are allowed to live with whites).

    • Replies: @Sirius
  61. Marckus says:
    @Anonymous

    Lets welcome Oliver Smith to UR.

    Along with other notables Ben Sampson and Obandiwag we now have a full compliment of circus clowns.

    We all anxiously await their boundless wisdom here on this website and rest assured we can now stop looking at Saturday Night Live as we have this trio of jesters to entertain us.

    Let the show begin.

  62. HT says:

    Destroying the white family structure in America was an important factor in our decline and fall. The family was the building block of civilization. Its demise is why our civilization is crumbling.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  63. @SafeNow

    “Leafblower people”. Great one, SafeNow!

    I agree with you on your point about Mr. Unz’s tags too. I could have used both an [Agree] and [LOL] here, had I any left. However, I will say that I really miss a • Retard tag for comments like that from this fucking guy, going by Anon #139, and some of the ones from Oliver Smith, especially with that Global Climate Disruption(TM) crap in there and the mis-appellation of Capitalism to what we have now.*

    I’m sorry I wrote a little hastily in my 2nd comment, as I must have missed Anon#720 up there, and then I forgot that there would be comments in moderation that would appear above mine. Thanks, Bomag, 3-Cranes, Spirit of Enoch, and Emslander.

    .

    * To me, that’s just a way for the Communists to push their agenda. “Look, see, this Capitalism sucks. We need to try something else.” We’ve got ANYTHING but free market Capitalism.

  64. @Emslander

    Great comment. I am in the same boat. 3 children, and a life of purpose and challenge!

  65. @RadicalCenter

    By contrast, my people — white Europeans — as well as Eurasians like my children, should be having more children, as in slightly more than 2.1 per couple. It is not good for the world, or for the environment, when both white Americans and Europeans and related or compatible assimilable peoples of similar general ability, average intelligence, and civilizational affinity, are all declining in number and increasing in average age.

    I’ve already rebutted this: a person in the UK produces around 70 times the CO2 of someone in Niger and around 160 times the CO2 as someone in US. Cutting fertility rates in Europe and US will have a significant impact on reducing carbon emissions. Even less industrial countries like Albania in Europe have 10 to 20 times per capita carbon emissions as Niger.

  66. Summary – an empire dying by suicide!
    They ALL do – history.

  67. From 2013 to 2018 in California, Blacks saw the biggest decline in the number of births by 30%

    So it’s not all doom and gloom then.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  68. @anyone with a brain

    Yes, that’s the elephant in the room.

  69. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Ben Carson

    How many African leaders have been assassinated?
    more than we know! more than we can count! any African leader who poked a progressive head up that was it. it is still that way currently. he/she would be assured of assassination right now, this minute!

    I was so pissed earlier I did not take the time to edit my comment. I apologise for hat and hope it was legible enough to glean some cohesion out of it.

    I don’t know of any overpopulated African nations and physical dislocations wrought by Africans who have not been in control of that continent for a very long time. I don’t know of any natural African shortages or rapine of the natural environment that has not be induced by, planned and carried out by the west, western exploiters, actually carried out by western corporations for the profit of the western elites.

    I am hoping that with the established of the China/Russia axis there will be a protective situation which would allow African independence to emerge and flourish. that is all that is needed…an opportunity to come out and do for self and nation without invasion, massive infrastructural destruction and developmental setback, along with loss of life by the hundreds of thousands, even millions: or color revolutionized, insidious clandestine corruption of internal political/economic processes, along with outright assassinations of progressive nationalist leadership

    how in the hell can anyone sit down here and write such blind crap as they here dumping on Africa. the African people begged no one for anything ever. the corrupt African leadership, those put there by the white western elites beg all the time. the African people have no time with that making whatever living they can in what is left after the white parasites take the largesse. white western Europe went to African then because it was poor, ‘idiocrat’ and useless?

    [MORE]

    The opposite was the case which is why Europe ‘found’ itself in Africa. Europe IMPOVERISHED Africa! not the other way around! that is Africa’s problem ‘friggin’ Europe!! Africa is not the savage! Europe/Europeans are . all that is Europe came out of Africa…ALL! even the goddam idea and examples of religion Europe has used to create the horror that is western religion…all of it

    ‘Dysgenics!’ what the hell! I can count ten Black people I know right off!, who grew up in the most dire straights, who made brilliancies out of their no opportunity ‘no lives’ who are smarter than that jackass who came up with ‘Dysgenics’ and they have replicated themselves making brilliant children of their own. 2 of them married white women and their children are very smart and gorgeous as well

    look at Black men and women around you man! real freedom to do…keep all your shit just get out of the goddam way…see what happens in one generation. you will be outstripped period, left lengths up the road…you superior white man. and it will happen…examples of which you will easily discern if you are looking into all the white western oppression of Black people in the world and in Africa. it would be the chance to cleanse all the white emotional shit imposed on Black people the world over, get back to self and start to sail in our own way…real independence.

    you think I am wrong?
    OK here is a list to ask…who made brilliant lives in a world of almost total white oppression:
    W E B Dubois
    MLK
    Malcolm X
    A P Randolh
    CLR James
    P Lumumba
    Anta Diop…..
    an endless list really…among the most brilliant minds of their ages…of any age at all!

    and look at the splices of life all along in which Black people were allowed some room… instantaneously filled always, by Black Brilliance, everywhere in the world. that should tell you guys what’s going to happen as soon as we get the totally heavy, supremely heavy, purely heavy, white western monkey off our collective back.

    and in fact you know already…that is no mystery anymore to anyone. was Barack Obama an ‘Idiocrat’?

    Barack Obama was not a president ideologically disposed towards the ordinary interest therefore he was not my president. but smart he was and is, a really brilliant person, a Black man! absolutely personable and diplomatic, a credit in that way to the office he held

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  70. @Oliver D. Smith

    Sure Ollie, but now thousands and perhaps millions of those “lightly polluting” Africans are moving to Europe and the other First World countries, and they pollute a lot more once they arrive. Even those with no 21st Century skills with which to make a decent living. They would need to stay put in Africa to continue to be the light polluters you gush over.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  71. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Irish Savant

    Irish Servant! I look forward to the day when we leave america and go back to Africa…all Black americans. keep the reparations! you need it more than we do.

    the key is to get you out of our lives, out of Black life, off our backs you absolutely heavy SOB! that way we would be able fly again and catch our real selves one more time! and in a generation you will matter no more, in no way at all. you will be there but so what.

    you are superior!? what the hell are you worried about then. just jettison Blacks and Africa. get on with your own superior life and leave us to eff alone!!! you will have to soon enough. and in open competition we will see who is in fact superior.

    and in fact I don’t care about superiority at all but I know my people and our abilities and our cares in life. we can hold our own period anytime anywhere on all levels of existence. that is what matters to me. along with freedom to live our lives: filled with art, music, sex – normal sex! not white sex but man and woman sex…not deviant sex – man and man and woman and woman, man and children, man and monkey, man and dogs etc. yes! the living of life fully, in which the world works to set that way of life up for everyone, so that the world is filled up with products of such a positive life…with constant human advance in all areas of life and nature, developing max chance of winning indefinite survival in nature by our own skill and development of knowledge of nature.

    you cant imagine how tired I am of all the wasteful shit here that goes on here on this blog, in the word as a whole…white superiority, insane, wasteful and suicidal capitalism. war war and more war…the world always, constantly terrorized by Zionist greed…the Jews always creating human chaos and terror for profit and social control. and remember Jews are white too, Caucasian…almost 100% of Jews now. that is why there is 100% movement consistency between the two groups, why the white elites can join in the Jewish mass murder of the ordinary white population. it is a class thing not a racial thing

    the development of the modern world has been dominated by white people but please take an open look at that development people, not the jaundiced blindness I see in these pages all the time. since Colon sailed to Africa and left with slaves in the 15C to this day, we have had the world in total obscene white riot!!!! yes that is what we have had and at this point it appears that it will take a world war that ends human life period to end the global white riot that’s going on

    Black people did not cause the whites to riot, we have had no say in it and we still do not. and even if we were all to disappear right now, all Black people! the white riot wont stop. it seems to me that that riot can stop only when the western white elites win global society, the whole world, hands down! and use technology thereafter to create a Brave New World of all our nightmares, in which they have reduced the worlds population down a few, have hordes of robots to command until the Bots themselves revolt and take over

    that is the stupid world in which we live, an idiotic world, so stupid even the racist here cry about the state the human species has been reduced to by the white domination. look here in these pages right now, on this very page, and see everyone complaining about the horrid low state society has been reduced to by the white riot. Niggers did not do that, had nothing to do with its conception planning and execution. all of that is by white people. Black people would not dream of doing any such thing, of creating any such idiocracy. who are the real idiocrats then?

    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @Anonymous
  72. @Corvinus

    Um, “sorry for helping people around the world not to starve”, I guess?

    In any event, your comment does not attempt to address my point that you quoted: the parts of the USA that are arguably becoming overpopulated, did not get this way as a result of white or any other native-born legacy Americans having too many kids.

    I would agree, though, that Western and other technologically advanced countries should stop enabling overpopulation both here and abroad.

    To stop enabling overpopulation here at home, stop mass immigration, whether “legal” or illegal, from any source. Discontinue the endless chain migration, euphemistically called “family reunification.” End birthright citizenship, which is a magnet for legal and illegal immigration. Require a much longer period of legal permanent residency before people become eligible to apply for citizenship, say twenty-five years.

    To stop enabling overpopulation abroad, end “charitable” donations of food, medicine, vaccines, and expertise to environment-destroying breeding pits such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and the like. Presumably religious belief and just plain lack of intelligence and foresight will still induce many desperately poor people to bring large numbers of children into their already overcrowded, filthy locales. But that’s on them. If we don’t help to vaccinate and feed the teeming masses over there — and don’t let them come here — they will learn the lesson or starve.

    What we have been doing out of altruism might make us feel good, but it has not been in the long-term interest of the “beneficiaries.” We have merely ensured that there will be many more people in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Africa suffering malnutrition … and ultimately dying terrible deaths from starvation (or killing each other over scarce food and water).

    • Replies: @A.z
    , @Corvinus
  73. @anon

    If I were black, I’d presumably feel an instinctive pride to finally see someone who looked somewhat like me in the presidency. But that doesn’t mean we should pretend Obama was all that bright. He was an intellectual mediocrity, like George W. Bush and many of the white men to occupy that office.

    And to agree with part of your comment: Obama clearly was not concerned with the plight of the average American of any color. Nor did he try to stop round-the-clock round-the-world aggression and murder by the for-profit US war machine. In those respects, he fit in with all our recent white presidents just fine.

    We might agree that Western nations are better off disengaging from Africa, and from Africans, as much as possible. And take your kin back already, PLEASE. Let’s see them shine — far away from us.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  74. @Oliver D. Smith

    I agree that we all need to make a serious effort to change our lifestyles and society before we destroy the planet and our posterity. Whatever our race or location, we need to pay what is needed, and sacrifice as needed, to drastically reduce pollution, deforestation, fish-stock depletion, and habitat destruction.

    Can we agree on phasing out the burning of fossil fuels, supplying the needed energy instead through nuclear power and, to a much lesser extent, solar power?

    Can we agree also on permanently encouraging (or requiring) a big segment of the population to work online from home, which cuts the air pollution spewed by commuting vehicles?

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  75. @RadicalCenter

    Can also agree with the obvious fact that religious conviction is a powerful force leading people to have large families

    Christian Europeans have far fewer children than Christians in the Third World. But perhaps Europeans’ Christian convictions are weaker. Would strengthening those convictions help them raise larger families?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  76. @Oliver D. Smith

    a person in the UK produces around 70 times the CO2 of someone in Niger and around 160 times the CO2 as someone in US.

    According to this a US person produces about half the CO2 of someone in Niger. Or were you trying to say that a US person produces about twice as much CO2 as one in the UK and 160 times of one in Niger?

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  77. @Oliver D. Smith

    The race and IQ stuff is mostly pseudoscience.

    Real Science™ says they’re just like us, but blessed with Melanin…
    Melanin turns light into knowledge and comes with compassion…
    These guys would probably make great neighbors…

    The future is going to be amazing!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @follyofwar
  78. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    All evidence shows declining birth/fertility rates is a good thing – not only for the environment but improving human quality of life. The people who disagree are capitalists (who want more consumers) and religious nutjobs.

    Declining birth rate is not a good thing as (((capitalists))) will use it as justification for more immigration. If you read Rothschild publication The Economist(which should just rename itself The Globalist), (((economists))) are always pushing the eternal growth model. There is no such thing as “maintaining”, if (((they))) don’t get richer and more powerful, the world will end.

    (((Howard Schultz))) once told his shareholders that the only way for Starbucks to continue growing is through mass immigration. Imagine how rich (((they))) will get when there’s one billion people in the US, all those merchandise to sell, homes to sell, cheap labor, golly! As Karl Marx once told us, Jews can never have enough money or power.

  79. @Emslander

    Not only that, I expect that the quality of my next life will be pretty good, too

    Seems a little presumptuous, don’t you think?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Emslander
  80. Neoconned says:

    I visited my family out there in 2016/7.

    My aunt & uncle are retired military who live in San Jose in an old condo….with my uncle being retired civilian DoD too….gets 3 pension checks….hes 84 i think and shes 76….

    Other aunt….lives in Mountain View…..also rich….70 yrs old….

    Both had 2 kids….1 a piece….my male cousin is i think 57…..pushing 60 either way….and works for the state of California doing something…..my female cousin is a drug addict lesbian who moved to Sacramento…..shes 45…..no kids…..

    California will be an Asian dominated latino state in 25 yrs time…..and my grandmas family who settled the state in the 60s will be in the grave….

  81. @Creatura

    The problem is not just with the degenerate US culture. There is not one predominately white country in the world (save Israel – which, depending on your definition, is not white) with a TFR sufficient to replace its population. Young whites all over no longer want to have children as they’ve been taught to believe that humanity is coming to an end due to global warming and resource exhaustion. As Greta Thunberg and AOC claim, we only have 12 years left. Why bring children into a dying world?

    This plan-demic we’ve been living under for a year is also designed to further lower the birth rate. Mandatory masks and social distancing inhibit the formation of relationships. I’ll bet the marriage rate for last year is way down, as is casual sex. Once young white women decide that they no longer want to have children I don’t know how this can be turned around.

  82. Marckus says:
    @Adam Smith

    Far Left is Obandiwag, middle is Oliver Smith and far right Ben Sampson.

    They look happy as they have just been issued a banana, some peanuts and half a coconut along with a pair of shorts.

    Lets be happy for them ! Diversity is our strength.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  83. @Adam Smith

    Another thing that’s amazing is that we now have an illegally installed senile president who is signing Executive Order after EO which encourage the rest of the world to Come On In and partake of our crumbling welfare state. Doesn’t matter if you are infected with covid or something worse. Unlike US citizens, you won’t have to be screened for it. If I wasn’t told that we’re living in a democracy, I’d swear that we’re now living in a dystopian dictatorship run by a crazed braindead mental patient out to get Whitey.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  84. @Commentator Mike

    — I’m not sure that the twelve observant Christians of childbearing age left in Europe are a meaningfully large sample 😉

    Take a look at this recent poll of 16- to 29-year-old Europeans, Brits, and Russians:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/christianity-non-christian-europe-young-people-survey-religion

    And a related piece confined to formerly-great formerly-Britain:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/11/uk-secularism-on-rise-as-more-than-half-say-they-have-no-religion

    Of the few European countries in the poll with decent-sized populations, Germany and France and “the UK” are well on their way to being non-Christian and post-Christian.

    See also https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2020/march/europe-leaves-christianity-for-paganism-nbsp.

    — Wouldn’t be surprised if self-identified Christians in Nigeria, for example, are more fervent than self-identified white Christians in Europe, but don’t know enough to say.

    — As to whether strengthening European Christians’ religious convictions would help them raise larger families, I haven’t expressed any opinion on that. If you mean, would it cause them to be motivated to conceive more children, yes, probably.

    — Traditional/observant Muslims in dozens of countries, of different races and ethnicities, are mostly having more children per woman than non-Muslims and nominal non-observant Muslims. This includes India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt.

    — Devout Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews / Haredim are consistently having more children per woman than other Jews (secular, Conservative, and Reform), both in Israel and in the USA.

    Religious belief and the traditional Christian/Muslim/Jewish view of man and women and the world, is certainly a big part of the motivation for most people around the world who are having a lot of children, meaning substantially above replacement level.

  85. @Oliver D. Smith

    Tell them about the great solar panel farms of ancient Wakanda.

  86. @Oliver D. Smith

    I think replacement births are preferable to mass migration. If we didn’t have runaway immigration, you wouldn’t notice replacement births. Also it is government that needs population growth to sustain the ponzi schemes we call social programs, especially since all governments like to “borrow” from said programs. Also bureaucracies need population growth for their own bureaucratic growth. If we don’t have the kids, they’ll just beg for importing them.

  87. @Anonymous

    Australia is a very overpopulated arid continent. Its overlords are maximizing immigration, want exponential population growth there, quick doubling, because of the corresponding increases in sales and real estate prices, meaning huge profits for them. Relative to those gains, the destruction of the environment … not interested, have money to make.

  88. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @anyone with a brain

    So monoracial asians might become super rare.

    LOL. Have you heard of China…..

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  89. @Oliver D. Smith

    Furthermore, climate change is making agricultural land unproductive

    .

    On the contrary, the increased concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere from about 350 ppm to the current 415 ppm (the very obsession of you warmists) has led to a massive greening of the planet, in the amount of approximately one full continent’s worth of agricultural production. All documented by NASA. The prime beneficiary are the semi-desert regions of the planet, like the Sahel.

    CO2 and water are the major substrates for plant growth. Without CO2 there is no photosynthesis and no food production whatever. Every plant absorbs it through pores in its leaves called stomata. As it absorbs CO2 it necessarily loses water, at a rate of about 100 molecules of water to one molecule of CO2 absorbed. With increases in atmospheric CO2, those pores decrease in size and number, allowing it to survive in more water-stressed environments.

    Greenhouses increase their production by adding CO2 up to about 1000 ppm. Almost all plant growth ceases when the concentration falls below 150 ppm, as it has done in most every ice age. Few people can survive in those conditions.

    We are in a state of carbon-dioxide scarcity, not excess.

  90. @Dr. X

    Stay tuned for the burgeoning uterine-transplant industry. Sure to increase the reproductive successes of newly identified females and cost us all a lot of money, er… sorry, increase the GNP at the same time.

  91. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You may not ‘believe’ in climate change, but it believes in you.

    The world was just as warm in the 1930s as it is now. Your global warmists have hid that little fact by adjusting those historical temperature data downwards while adjusting current temperature data upwards, slyly moving the Urban-Heat-Island effect into the records even of rural areas and mid-oceans.

    This can be seen most effectively in an analysis that shows a close correlation between the adjustments and the ambient CO2 concentration levels in the atmosphere. Adjustments driven by the variable you want to emphasize strongly suggest fraud.

    Of course, your Michael Mann lost his battle to prove he should not be in the State Pen as opposed to Pen State.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  92. @xxxeliss

    That’s probably a good guess, Xeliss. Just anecdotally, I’m white and my wife is Asian; my best friend is white and his wife also Asian, living in NYC (well, at least till the babies hit school age).

    We have a friendly acquaintance with four couples back in SoCal who are likewise white husband / asian wife (the guys are all American-born, while the wives are one Chinese from China, a Filipina from the Philippines, a Filipina born and raised in SoCal, and a Taiwanese born and raised in Texas).

    We definitely didn’t seek out Yellow Fever couples “like us”, but there they are. These couples are not at all typical of European-Americans or Americans generally, though, in terms of formal education level, household income, or language abilities. We met three of the couples through our children’s Mandarin-immersion elementary school or their weekend German classes — and one through good old Little League Baseball. Maybe we’ll see a couple of these Eurasian sluggers in the Bigs someday 😉 (If you see a tall slanty-eyed guy with his hand on his heart for the national anthem who won’t bend the knee for BLM with the rest of the team, that could be one of ours 🙂

    FWIW, none of us — husbands or wives — is a Democrat or neoliberal or what people think of as “leftist” politically. Some are very politically engaged or ideological (and not just the husbands), some are not, but if pressed we’d all say we’re nationalist, conservative, or moderately libertarian.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  93. @Mustapha Mond

    a large part of the answer as to why our fertility rates are declining steadily is contained in our diets and environmental exposures to [Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals], and therefore these rates should continue to trend downward

    I remain agnostic on your focus on soy (though it may well deserve some attention), but I do think your basic idea is sound. We risk our future if we go on blithely assuming our fertility potential, fecundity in demographic lingo, is undisturbed by the environmental changes of the past 200 years.

    Robert Stark’s article, like all those in modern demography, is a curious mixture of extremely hard and accurate data relating to fertility levels, age pyramids and population-growth statistics, along with some highly questionable causal associations. High fertility is said to relate to housing opportunities, wealth or women’s liberation, and so on. There must be twenty or thirty such explanations extant in the literature, enough to give the public and the politicians carte blanche to pick on whichever one suits their fancy. None of them required anything more than a plausible statistical analysis with minimal r values.

    So as a politician, if you want to increase your country’s fertility, you just focus on a problem you favor already, like housing stock or baby bonuses. If you want to decrease it, then push for more women in the workforce or higher wages. It’s really a no-lose proposition and since it requires years to take effect, there is little political push-back.

    If you wanted to preclude a fertility decline caused by adverse environmental effects, such as eating soy, perhaps, you would collect a lot more statistics on involuntary childlessness and age-related sterility, medically coerced family limitation, disease, sperm counts and visits to medical fertility specialists. That of course is not being done and has not been done for many years. Stark ignores them. Why? Consensus, of course.

    Thanks to our controllers, I suspect.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  94. @bomag

    Native Americans created the plains bison population from small and isolated herds. They were stewards of the Earth. White men never, ever in the history of planet Earth helped a wildlife species to expand beyond the captivity of white male natural parks. They know nothing about nature and have no connection to it, as they are completely apart from nature. Even the dastardly Chinaman is looking to have a better environmental record.

    This planet is nowhere near full. You have no idea what this planet is capable of, because as a Christian white male, you have no connection to anything organic. People of color and atheist white male scientists know better.

  95. @RadicalCenter

    stop putting words in my mouth, and suggpresident of the USA I am not prideful off.

    I never said Obama is a current Einstein, or Anta Diop, but a very smart man, of excellent personal attitude and diplomatic skills, excellently spoken, a person all were happy to meet regardless….

    and as for disengagement I am all for that man! 150% just get out and stay out, as will as minding your own business. that means keep your sanctions to yourself, all your color revolutions you can play on yourself now. and for assassination fun target americans you don’t like.

    that would be fine given that Africans would long have been repatriated no longer your victims

    • Replies: @Druid55
    , @RadicalCenter
  96. @anon

    And the San Gabriel Valley.

  97. @JohnPlywood

    I remember you being turned to stone in The Hobbit when the sun came up.

  98. @Marckus

    They do look happy. I’m happy that they’re happy.
    Diversity is our greatest strength.

  99. @JohnPlywood

    Native Americans created the plains bison population from small and isolated herds. They were stewards of the Earth.

    Stewards of the Earth, huh? You don’t say? The first full-blooded Indian I ever met was a complete slob. I got disabused at that notion at the Res too. Explain how these guys created the plains buffalo herds to us, please, John ParticleBoard.

  100. @Irish Savant

    Hey, your blog is down, Savant. Is that your doing on purpose or censoring by Blogspot?

  101. @Peripatetic Itch

    Miss Mumblebrain came to this blog from the Saker blog because:

    I was harassed too much at Saker, which I still read irreligiously, by the anthropogenic climate destabilisation denial cultists.

    UR, Jan 31.

    She would rather call me a troll than consider or reply to my arguments.

    Be kind to her. She is really quite intelligent. Even if she is enamored with compound nouns as adjectives and confuses the words religiously and irreligiously. Just misguided.

    She doesn’t realize I am an apostate on climate change. Was a fervent believer for 30 years.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  102. @Peripatetic Itch

    Hi PI-

    Wow, I didn’t know the link between soy and low sperm counts was a mystery to many. Well, be agnostic no more:

    “Eating half a serving of soy food a day lowers sperm concentrations and may play a role in male infertility, particularly in obese men, Harvard University researchers report.”

    Here’s the link to the whole article: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=5438441&page=1

    It’s simple, really. Soy consumption raises estrogen levels. This is cold, hard science of nutrition and biology. Higher estrogen levels means lower testosterone levels. It’s why when men age and their testosterone levels drop, so does their sex drive and sperm counts. And guess what goes up? Yup, good old estrogen. That’s why as men get older they develop breast tissue. Some guys use hormone therapy to avoid this. I know a gentleman who does, and swears by it.

    Want higher testosterone and higher libido as you age, to counteract this (without using male hormone therapy)? NEVER eat estogenizing foods and do high intensity progressive resistance weight training at least once a week. High intensity weight training raises testosterone by increasing HGH (Human Growth Hormone) levels, which in turn stimulates testosterone production.

    Apparently zinc deficiency is a big problem for producing adequate sperm. Zinc supplementation is advised in that regard. Also eating oysters. The legends about oysters may have some validity, as they are high in very bioavailable zinc, as are eggs when eaten in relative abundance.

    Eggs, btw, are my favorite food. I eat four eggs every single day without fail, and have superb lipid panel results every year, high cholesterol intake notwithstanding. Eggs have the highest PER (Protein Efficiency Ratio) of all foods, and are also relatively high in some essential vitamins and minerals, all of which are as bioavailable as you can get. Plus, when produced in humane environments, are really environmentally friendly. They get a bad rap quite unfairly. Eggs kick ass.

    Cheers,

    MM

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  103. @RadicalCenter

    You’ve given some thought to this inter-racial coupling business. So let me ask you about Zuckerberg, who has a Chinese wife. They formed a foundation together, and through it donated $300 million, it seems, to the cause of stealing the election. That’s in addition, of course, to the value added in terms of the censorship he gave.

    Then there’s Mitch McConnell, now married to one Elaine Chao, who served as Trump’s transportation secretary. (He refused to recuse himself for her confirmation). Both publicly jumped ship after the election.

    Seems a little suspicious to me. Are the Chinese taking lessons from the Israelis? What do you think?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  104. Druid55 says:
    @ben sampson

    Einstein eas a plagiarist. Smart yes, but not as advertised/propagandised by the tribe

    • Agree: annamaria
  105. @Oliver D. Smith

    So you’re determined to double down on your odd claim that if White Americans voluntarily sterilize themselves, this will somehow stop the ongoing population explosion among sub-Saharan Africans? Interesting.

    Tell me, is this comically-delusional belief primarily based upon:

    1. A primitive faith in sympathetic magic?

    2. Profound cognitive incapacity?

    or

    3. Virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred?

    Just curious.

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  106. @Mustapha Mond

    Thanks for that. I have had generally similar thoughts about soy for many years. My agnosticism though was at the population level. The sperm parameters of Western men in general have been deteriorating since about the 1950s, at least, while the consumption of soy products seems to be limited mostly to the vegetarian and vegan groups. Except perhaps for soy-based infant formulas. So I’m guessing there are more factors at work, perhaps of the same type, but not necessarily.

    The soy effect as discussed in the literature is both more complicated and more controversial than you suggest:

    One review found that “a healthy diet improves at least one measure of semen quality, while diets high in lipophilic foods, soy isoflavones, and sweets lower semen quality.”
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26705308/

    Another study found that exposure of male rats to soy isoflavones from conception to sexual maturity was correlated with a later reduction of testis weight, sperm head count and daily sperm production.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23297501/
    See also: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20171261/

    Some animal studies suggest the soy effect may not be so much from the estrogens as from the glyphosates sprayed on them as a herbicide:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28017703/

    Of course some studies have denied the soy effect:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20378106/
    See also: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18685713/

    On general reproductive effects, here’s a review I found

    A total of 1944 articles were identified, of which 35 were selected for qualitative analysis. Generally, the results indicated that healthy diets rich in some nutrients such as omega-3 fatty acids, some antioxidants (vitamin E, vitamin C, β-carotene, selenium, zinc, cryptoxanthin and lycopene), other vitamins (vitamin D and folate) and low in saturated fatty acids and trans-fatty acids were inversely associated with low semen quality parameters. Fish, shellfish and seafood, poultry, cereals, vegetables and fruits, low-fat dairy and skimmed milk were positively associated with several sperm quality parameters. However, diets rich in processed meat, soy foods, potatoes, full-fat dairy and total dairy products, cheese, coffee, alcohol, sugar-sweetened beverages and sweets have been detrimentally associated with the quality of semen in some studies. As far as fecundability is concerned, a high intake of alcohol, caffeine and red meat and processed meat by males has a negative influence on the chance of pregnancy or fertilization rates in their partners.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28333357/

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  107. A.z says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Go back and look at history. The subcontinent was a center of civilization and doing quite well through decentralized systems and was peaceful until the thugs of uk came in and took over through use of treachery. Some of the greatest inventions like the number 0 came from us. I don’t see u talking trash about china as it seems the undeniable progress has gotten through ur thick head. Well my dear uncultured racist u will see we r quite capable of taking care of ourselves and improving our lives as the current trajectory of our economy is showing and history has shown again and again and this time we learned our lesson no more decentralized fiefs for u to roll. U come over again when we have all the goodies we will cut u down

  108. bomag says:
    @JohnPlywood

    LOL. Every statement an absurd falsehood. Well played.

  109. bomag says:
    @A.z

    I like the subcontinent; it shows racism works. (Being serious, not snarky.)

  110. anon[305] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Libertarians (who reflect the general population as to ethnicities) breed at 3 with a goal of 7 in the next generations, conservatives at 1.8, left at 1.3 or so.

  111. @Marckus

    “You can be Temporary Insanity and I will be Permanent Insanity.”

    Priceless!

  112. @Peripatetic Itch

    Hey PI-

    Nice comment. Thanks.

    I usually have a more circumspect approach to research, as much of it is biased (for money or agendas), but when personal experience comes into play, that’s when my opinions solidify.

    The negative effect of estrogen raising foods was brought home to me like gangbusters when, at my wife’s advisement, I started using flax seeds for Omega-3 supplementation instead of the fish oil I usually use daily (over the heavy metal concerns.) The effects of the flax lignin’s was simply mind boggling. Sex drive disappeared. Depression set in. I began to accumulate water weight (which felt horrible.) But worst was the slight pain I felt behind each nipple. I was like “What the f#ck is going on here?” Then I quickly researched the matter, learned of the strongly estrogenizing effects of flax and immediately swore off them forever. All the deleterious effects resolved over about a two week period, but while they were on-going, I felt like absolute shite!

    Flax and soy are great for women, I suspect, but for men? At least for me it’s an emphatic, “No thanks!”

    And I agree completely with everything in the boxed quote you supplied. Cheers!

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
  113. @ben sampson

    I assume you mean “you” as in the collective “you white people”, because Africans in the USA or elsewhere have never been MY victims. My ancestors were uniformly poor in the Old Countries (not slaveowners, slave-traders, or even usually small land-owners).

    Next, none of my ancestors arrived in the USA until after the abolition of slavery and the end of Reconstruction; when they did arrive, they never had enough money to hire servants of any race, nor did their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren.

    Conversely, my family has been directly physically harmed by Africans in this country. My mother’s mother was mugged at knifepoint, knocked down for no reason, and threatened with death by a very black Puerto Rican in NYC in the 1960s. In the 1980s, my high school acquaintance was raped and degraded by a black “man” because she was foolish enough to visit Trenton, NJ doing work for “the underprivileged” — ask a woman whether the fear and anguish go away after that kind of vile act.

    Fast forward to downtown Los Angeles 2019 and I get thrown down hard to the sidewalk by a large, youngish African-“American” “man”, suddenly and without provocation, causing a PERMANENT spinal injury. I live with the severe pain, lessened mobility, and inability to pick up my youngest child much, as I am writing this to you. Tell me all about Africans being MY victims or my family’s victims.

    I think of my old friend from Philly — a real African-AMERICAN, a productive man who took care of his children as best he could, who argues and interacts in good faith, who gave this white guy a fair chance when we met despite very different backgrounds and opinions, loves this country despite his own mixed feelings and experiences with white people, and doesn’t have any illusions about the dysfunctional dangerous obnoxious nature of so many African-descended dead-weight in our country. He would say that you “sound like a brother who use the white man as an excuse for everything.”

    I don’t need to believe that all Africans are unintelligent or incompetent, and I know that’s not even close to true. Nor do I need to blame my many personal failings on Africans. When I die, God isn’t going to let me pass the blame for my sins and stupid decisions on your angry black ass or anyone else. Nor do I deny the great evils perpetrated by people who look like me, through the US government and otherwise.

    You can let yourself be equally honest about your own failings, and the well-documented relative lack of intellectual, organizational, and civilizational capacity — and mere basic decency — of many of your African kin. Their relative lack of accomplishment, and their behavior, doesn’t reflect on you. Just like all the evils done by white people don’t reflect on me.

    In all seriousness, bringing those poor Africans here in chains was a vile act that has been a disaster for generations of innocent Americans of all races. The tiny percentage of black Africans who captured and sold their “brothers” will rot in Hell right next to the tiny percentage of soul-less rich Jews and Brits who “bought” them. Meanwhile, here we still are fighting about it all when we should have no problem with each other.

    God made us both, man, and I do not want to hate or fear you and yours. But I’m also tired of being lectured at because of my race when my family, friends, and I have been brutalized and the peace of our communities destroyed by the darker-skinned dimwits in our perpetual victim class.

    Separate, end the hate.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @ben sampson
    , @Marckus
  114. @anon

    Do libertarians in the usa really have a fertility rate much higher than average?
    Is there some statistical/polling evidence for that notion?

    Anecdotally, the most hardcore libertarian of my acquaintance is one of my sisters, who never had kids and is too selfish to do the hard work of raising any or even muster an interest in her siblings’ children.

    On the other hand, our libertarian friends back in Colorado, a married couple, are traditional Christians who are raising a LARGE family, bigger than ours.

    Where does one count me? Used to consider myself a libertarian, but not anymore, and we have a well above average number of children.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  115. @A.z

    It’s fun and easy to fight a straw man, I know. Enjoy.

    I’m well aware of the ancient civilizational accomplishments from that region. We should admire and learn from any people of any race and culture.

    I read Latin and speak some German, have visited Europe and Asia, my wife is one of them scary Asian ferners and is fluent in three languages, our children are all learning either Mandarin or Russian language and culture from an early age, and we plan to spend part of each year abroad when I retire. But if it makes you feel better, I bow to your superior knowledge of the world and its peoples, oh cultured one.

    I nearly married a lady from southern India, by the way, so your assertion about my knowledge of that part of the world is just a liiiiiiitle bit off base. I miss her cooking — and a couple of her siblings, wish I could break up with her and not them! — and found it fascinating to understand her perspective and learn about her life growing up in India. But you keep knocking down that straw man.

  116. @RadicalCenter

    Is there some statistical/polling evidence for that notion?

    The science of social demography, once you get beyond fertility rates and such, is as wishy-washy, pseudo-scientific as anything you will find anywhere. The social determinants of family-size are totally speculative, based on correlation coefficients of low r values, low statistical significance, and low reproducibility. The results from one study to another, or from one society to another, are laughably inconsistent.

    Religion is touted as a determinant by some in this thread. But look at the fertility rate of Italy in the 1930s — below replacement levels in many areas, despite pretty strict adherence to Roman Catholicism and its ban on family planning. Compare that to Quebec in the 19th century, where they commonly had 10-child families.

    Countries often try to raise their fertility rates by raising the baby bonuses, sometimes to quite high levels. It rarely has anything more than a temporary effect. Works best as a vote-getter.

    Nevertheless everyone is encouraged to believe whatever seems intuitively obvious to them. You got a cause? Takes about five minutes to come up with a rationale for it to raise fertility. Don’t want to raise fertility? Another five minutes will prove the exact same change should lower fertility.

    Something for everyone.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  117. Sirius says:
    @Bernie

    The trillions of dollars, handouts, infrastructure, technology and other elements whites have poured into Africa

    That is a myth. There has been much more wealth leaving Africa or extracted from it than there has been “poured” in, and that has been going on for a long time with colonialism and ne0-colonialism.

    Even today, most African countries are not truly independent, so we really don’t really have a good measure of what African progress could be if Africans were just left alone.

    Just look at Libya, a country that was just recently practically a first-world country until the NATO-led bombardments. France and Britain followed by the “lead from behind” US destroyed much of Libya’s infrastructure and now it’s in a state of civil strife and division. It is a country that has been set back maybe a half century by western intervention in its affairs. Sure, Gadhafi stayed too long and should have stepped aside, but that doesn’t mean the whole country should have been destroyed.

    Not happy with that example, look at the Congo. The most corrupt dictator in African history, Mobutu, was installed by the West and his predecessor, a patriot by the name of Patrice Lumumba, was murdered. There are countless examples of this.

    It’s easy to criticize these countries, but many of them are in fact held down by the West, which never really left Africa to itself. We’ll see if the Chinese are any more enlightened and progressive, since they have been recently entering Africa in a big way economically.

  118. This is the typical analysis I’ve come to expect from the right wing. Look at low fertility and then overanalyze the racial angles ad infinitum. The reason fertility is low is society has reached peak gynocentrism – men are expected to raise families without the authority that entails. Single moms are supported and glorified in the media, and men have no parental rights. For instance, if your wife cuckolds you most jurisdictions give you 30 days to contest it. After that you’re on the hook for child support. In most places your wife cheating on you isn’t even grounds for terminating alimony.

    California has *lifetime alimony* for marriages over 10 years even if she DOES cheat on you. Insanity. Read here if you need more convincing california deserves a low fertility rate. Notice that infidelity is explicitly irrelevant to spousal support/alimony, but “abuse” is. And guess which gender is going to be accused of “abuse” more?

    https://www.divorcenet.com/resources/adultery-and-divorce-california.html

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  119. @anon

    Libertarians (who “reflect the general population as to ethnicities”)

    lolwut?

    The US populaton is 94% White? Who knew?

    We can safely assume that the other “facts” that you spewed derive from the same source — the always-reliable http://www.shitIjustmadeup.com.

  120. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “Um, “sorry for helping people around the world not to starve”, I guess?”

    You mean sorry for not picking your own damn cotton and demanding gimmedats and free stuff.

    “In any event, your comment does not attempt to address my point that you quoted: the parts of the USA that are arguably becoming overpopulated, did not get this way as a result of white or any other native-born legacy Americans having too many kids.”

    Again, it was “white” agricultural technology. And, when non-WASPs inundated our nation much to the chagrin of “native born legacy Americans”, they popped out kids like a Pez Dispenser, which vitiated the native stock.

    “I would agree, though, that Western and other technologically advanced countries should stop enabling overpopulation both here and abroad.”

    Eugenics? Forced abortions? Restrict available technology from reaching those places?

    “To stop enabling overpopulation here at home, stop mass immigration, whether “legal” or illegal, from any source. Discontinue the endless chain migration, euphemistically called “family reunification.” End birthright citizenship, which is a magnet for legal and illegal immigration. Require a much longer period of legal permanent residency before people become eligible to apply for citizenship, say twenty-five years.”

    I would agree with the basics of your proposals.

    “To stop enabling overpopulation abroad, end “charitable” donations of food, medicine, vaccines, and expertise to environment-destroying breeding pits such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and the like.”

    No.

    “Presumably religious belief and just plain lack of intelligence and foresight will still induce many desperately poor people to bring large numbers of children into their already overcrowded, filthy locales. But that’s on them. If we don’t help to vaccinate and feed the teeming masses over there — and don’t let them come here — they will learn the lesson or starve.”

    Thanks, Herbert Spencer (1851) –> The bright and able contribute most to society, and so are to be encouraged and rewarded. The poor, the weak, and the handicapped demand more than they contribute..and should be allowed to die a natural death. Contact with harsh and demanding reality is a maturing experience that should not be diluted by well-intentioned but in all actuality destructive charities and handouts.

    “What we have been doing out of altruism might make us feel good, but it has not been in the long-term interest of the “beneficiaries.””

    I would disagree. So would Christians.

  121. @A.z

    I give that comment a big fat 0!

    Hey, you own it, you keep it.

  122. @James Forrestal

    Where did I claim I supported African population-growth? I didn’t – I said the opposite i.e. overpopulation is a global issue – that means Africa, but also Europe, China and the US etc. Fertility rates needs to be massively cut everywhere. It’s not a skin colour issue.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  123. @Peripatetic Itch

    Sounds like the ‘Tropical Hyperborea’ crackpottery from Anatoly Karlin; debunked here:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Tropical_Hyperborea

    There is a limit to how much carbon dioxide plants can use meaning the simplistic idea increased levels of CO2 and heat increase plant production is misleading at best, see this major study: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160906084959.htm

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  124. @Commentator Mike

    I clearly meant US has a per capita carbon footprint as high as 160 times Niger while UK 70 times Niger. Although my sources were slightly outdated from around 5 years ago – the modern figures from a 2019 reliable source are now 155 x for US and 55 x for UK:

    https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/overview.php?v=booklet2020&dst=CO2pc

    (tons of C02 per capita)

    Niger: 0.10
    US: 15.52
    UK: 5.45

    So as I said – the fewer people born in US and UK – the most immediate positive impact on the environment and global warming mitigation.

    My views are evidence-based. I don’t give a shit about ideology of ‘race’.

  125. @RadicalCenter

    I agree that we all need to make a serious effort to change our lifestyles and society before we destroy the planet and our posterity. Whatever our race or location, we need to pay what is needed, and sacrifice as needed, to drastically reduce pollution, deforestation, fish-stock depletion, and habitat destruction.

    Sure, but if you’re genuinely concerned about those things – don’t breed.

    Can we agree on phasing out the burning of fossil fuels, supplying the needed energy instead through nuclear power and, to a much lesser extent, solar power?

    It’s questionable whether nuclear energy will substantially reduce carbon emissions – there are a wide number of estimates in the literature. Co2 is emitted uranium mining, fuel fabrication, waste disposal, transport, reactor decommissioning etc., so the idea nuclear energy is “carbon-free” as some promote it is preposterous. There are many other issues, but it’s off topic to go into this here.

    Can we agree also on permanently encouraging (or requiring) a big segment of the population to work online from home, which cuts the air pollution spewed by commuting vehicles?

    Yes and that’s one of the reasons I support the covid lockdowns.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342538533_Coronavirus_lockdown_helped_the_environment_to_bounce_back

  126. Even today, most African countries are not truly independent, so we really don’t really have a good measure of what African progress could be if Africans were just left alone.

    Just look at Libya, a country that was just recently practically a first-world country until the NATO-led bombardments.

    You are aware that Libya is a North African country, and is primarily inhabited by Arabs and Berbers*, not Negroes… aren’t you? Negroes are about 4% of the population in Libya — less than a third of their proportion in the North American economic zone.

    Are you simply ignorant, or are you making a deliberately misleading attempt to conflate people with geography in the typical shitlib/ anti-White fashion?

    Sure, Libya was doing considerably better prior to the Zionist attack than it is now — but that’s irrelevant to the prospects for Black African countries. A continent is not a people.

    *As any educated person knows, the primary industries in the Barbary States (what is now Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco) for many centuries were piracy, slave raiding, and slave trading. They enslaved millions of Negroes — and millions of White Christians. For comparison, the total number of Negro slaves brought to the United States from Africa was about 400K . The US fought two early wars to free White Christian slaves from the Arab/ Berber Muslims of North Africa — that’s the origin of “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marines’ Hymn.

    The Barbary slave trade diminished over the years, but it only came to a final end with European colonization of the slave states.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  127. @Oliver D. Smith

    I have no idea who Anatoly Karlin is, and I doubt his views on white supremacy have anything to do whether global warming is real. I spend a lot of time on WattsUpWithThat, which has real climate scientists who are becoming increasingly skeptical of the scam with every year. I would recommend it to you.

    Your rational-wiki article heavily relies on Arctic warming and ice cover. Not recognizing that the Arctic has always varied within the same wide limits. The Northwest passage was open in the 1850s, when Franklin explored the area. Norse settlements are even now being uncovered by the now retreating Greenland ice — settlements that last would have been ice free in the Medieval Warm Period, a period Michael Mann desperately tried to hide with his fake hockey-stick temperature graph. The State Pen or Pen State guy.

    Also not recognizing that the Earth actually has two poles. Surprise! There’s actually an Antarctic pole that is covered in ice, and that ice cap has been continually expanding and getting colder over your period of global warming, except for the quite small peninsula of Western Antarctica affected by undersea volcanoes, which also have a big effect in the Arctic. For those of us who remember the recent eruption in Iceland.

    Your Science Direct article wants to deny global greening. You’ll have to take that up with NASA:

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  128. @Oliver D. Smith

    Your pathetic inability to answer a very simple question is duly noted. Let’s try again:

    So you’re determined to double down on your odd claim that if White Americans voluntarily sterilize themselves, this will somehow stop the ongoing population explosion among sub-Saharan Africans?

    Tell me, is this comically-delusional belief primarily based upon:

    1. A primitive faith in sympathetic magic?

    2. Profound cognitive incapacity?

    or

    3. Virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred?

    It’s a very simple question — why can’t you answer it?

    Where did I claim I supported African population-growth?

    Now the clearly cognitively-crippled “Oliver Smith” has moved from on recommending self-sterilization as a sympathetic magic ritual to be engaged in by White Americans in order to (somehow) stop the ongoing population explosion of Negroes in Africa — to claiming that the thoughts in his head possess magical powers to stop said African population explosion.

    lol — clearly we’re not dealing with a rational mind here.

    Hint — no one cares what you claim to feel about the population explosion in Africa; not me, and certainly not the Africans. I’m judging you by your actions ; your constant spewing of ignorant, hate-filled anti-natal propaganda. Your hatred is directed, not at the group that is causing this population explosion, but at an entirely different people that has a fertility rate well below replacement already — White Americans and indigenous Europeans.

    Since you clearly feel compelled to spew these vitriolic anti-natalist rants, perhaps you should aim them in a direction where they might actually do some good. Here’s a couple of suggestions:

    https://dailypost.ng/
    https://thenationonlineng.net/

    Or, if your anti-White hatred is so intense and irrational that you simply can’t bring yourself to spew this sort of venom at non-Whites, perhaps you should target the Fellow White People in a wealthy country that actually has a TFR considerably above replacement level*, hmm?

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/

    *3.16
    White populations in Europe and America are all below 2 (2.1 is replacement)

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  129. @James Forrestal

    Hint — no one cares what you claim to feel about the population explosion in Africa; not me, and certainly not the Africans. I’m judging you by your actions ; your constant spewing of ignorant, hate-filled anti-natal propaganda. Your hatred is directed, not at the group that is causing this population explosion, but at an entirely different people that has a fertility rate well below replacement already — White Americans and indigenous Europeans.

    You’re too ignorant to realise most populations with sub-replacement fertility are increasing in population size. And no this isn’t only because of net-migration, for example South Korea that has virtually zero net-migration has had a sub-replacement fertility rate since the early 1980s but it took until 2020 (~40 years) to see no population growth and a decrease in its population size for the first time since records. This is because of population momentum and increase in average life-expectancy; in most countries with sub-replacement fertility there are still (annually) more births than deaths – this includes populations across many European countries. So now what dumbass?

  130. @Oliver D. Smith

    Your continued pathetic failure to explain your compulsive, frenzied promotion of (clearly ineffective) sympathetic magic rituals that you claim will “stop the African population explosion in its tracks,” or to even attempt to justify your virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred, is duly noted.

    Just answer the question, dummy. It’s not hard. Would you like me to repeat it yet again, or is your limited cognition capable of comprehending the complex task sometimes known as “scrolling?”

    most populations with sub-replacement fertility are increasing in population size. And no this isn’t only because of net-migration

    lol — “B-b-but Whites will keep increasing in population FOREVER, even with sub-replacement fertility!” Apparently because of so-called ‘White privilege,” doncha know…”

    Her we see the ignorant, hate-filled anti-White “Oliver” spewing yet another claim based entirely on magical thinking (that’s 3 so far) — and of course, it ignores my practical, common sense suggestion that it spew its vitriolic anti-natal propaganda in the direct of populations that actually have TFRs considerably above replacement.

    But clearly, its noxious combination of virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred and toxic semitism compel it to direct its rants solely at Whites, rather than at the peoples that are actually contributing to the population explosion (and to the imminent weather apocalypse, of course). One more time:

    https://www.indexmundi.com/nigeria/total_fertility_rate.html

    TFR in Nigeria = 4.72 children per woman — more than double replacement

    Wait — but what’s this?

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/216254

    “Haredim to surpass Arab population by 2050”

    “But with a TFR of 6.9, the haredi population’s growth rate is more than double the total Jewish TFR of 3.1 and even the Arab TFR of 3.3.”

    Oy vey! What’s this? Breeding irresponsibly? Destroying the world instead of tikkuning the olam? Hastening the imminent heat death of Mother Earth via excessive carbon emanations? I’m sure we can get (((Oliver))) to spew some of his ignorant, hate-filled anti-natalist propaganda at the Horrible Haredim so that they can act more responsible and help to halt this impending catastrophe… right?

    Perhaps we should conduct a deeper analysis into how the Fellow White People in a certain small desert tribal country became the real population exploders. Let’s see:

    “It is widely known that fertility levels in Israel exceed fertility levels in all other developed countries, and that this is the main factor driving Israel’s unusually high rate of population growth.”

    “However, Israel’s fertility is not only exceptional because it is high. It is exceptional because strong pronatalist norms cut across all educational classes and levels of religiosity, and because fertility has been increasing alongside increasing age at first birth and education—at least in the Jewish population.”

    Well that makes sense. I mean, diaspora jews are notorious for their strong support for pronatalist norms like limiting abortion, banning no-fault divorce, outlawing civil marriage and only allowing religious authorities to perform marriages… oh wait, that’s what the tribe does in its colony in Palestine. They support exactly the opposite policies in White host countries. Strange.

  131. @Oliver D. Smith

    A few examples based on birth/death rate statistics for 2019:

    Births per 1000/Deaths per 1000

    Albania: 11.80/7.40
    Iceland: 12.00/6.90
    Faroe Islands: 13.60/7.60
    Ireland: 13.50/6.40
    Cyprus: 10.80/6.90
    Switzerland: 10.50/7.80
    Norway: 11.20/7.80
    Sweden: 11.80/9.20
    Czech Republic: 10.70/10.20

    But it’s “white genocide!” “we are going extinct!”.

    Clowns.

    • Replies: @red22
  132. I tried to keep count of the times the author used the phrase “abysmally low” but my uncontrollable laughter over “the American over-valuation of ‘personal freedom’” knocked the number out of my head.

  133. Sirius says:
    @James Forrestal

    You are aware that “Negroes” is considered an offensive term, aren’t you? Are you simply ignorant or just a racist?

    As for Libya, of course I’m aware that it is North African and Arab/Berber. But it is a recent example of Western intervention anyway. Does it matter whether it is Black or not? It might in the context that it was a Zionist project to destroy yet another Arab country, as you imply. But Libya still sees itself as an African country and is a member of the African Union. Gadhafi assisted in many African liberation movements, especially the ANC in South Africa. I included it as an example because it is just so egregious, a developed country being returned to the status of an underdeveloped one mired in civil conflict, and for what? As an example to the others perhaps?

    https://theecologist.org/2015/may/14/war-crime-nato-deliberately-destroyed-libyas-water-infrastructure

    It is not some “anti-White” sentiment as I’m not interested at all in race-blaming or identity politics, as you seem to be. NATO as far as I know is not a “White” construct. Russia, a non-NATO but “white” country, wasn’t involved in Libya’s destruction and opposed it, albeit meekly at the time.

    Also, It is precisely why I mentioned the Congo, which you ignored entirely. Congo is probably one of the richest countries in minerals, yet mired in poverty and kept down by Western interests. I don’t think you can blame the Zionists for that one, as the exploitation started from the time of Leopold of Belgium back in the nineteenth century and never really stopped. Lumumba’s murder in 1961 was a collaboration of Belgian and US interests, and Belgium formally apologized for it (something the US almost never seems to do).

    By the way, is there any particular reason why you didn’t hit the reply button to my post? I only happened to see your response because it was the last one at the time I checked.

  134. Emslander says:
    @gar manar nar

    Not presumptuous at all. The faithful life isn’t a crap shoot. It’s the Hope of the Christian. Hope is the assurance given by Faith.

    “God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.”

    You live your life as Christ suggested and you receive the rewards of the New Covenant. If you don’t, you don’t.

  135. Malla says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “Hybrid vigour” is an agricultural term and this so called vigour vanishes in a few generations.

  136. @RadicalCenter

    why would Robin star this? because it touches some emotional nerve of his?

    Radical Center does seem sincere but so what. because his family came too late for slavery he is not part of the the story as victimisers, part only as outsider looking in but yet involved enough to the get victimised himself by Black victimisers

    as had as he might try Radical Center can hide his own Black hate no matter how hard he tries an effort that skewers his skill at social analysis. its a continuous whole RD, human social evolution from the start to currently. all that has been going on from human evolution continues and there are no outsiders looking in. you are a white man I conclude and you have profited from the ‘superiority’ white makes had imposed on the rest of the human population by war, conquest, global capitalism. u have not fought for human freedom but did as you do now… defend white imperialism

    and where did Radical Center’s family migrate from…England, France, Spain, Portugal etc.?
    interesting!

    I must let myself be equally honest!!! who documented whatever you claim about lack of Black organizational and civilizational skills etc?

    [MORE]

    did you do that with your terrible orientation about human social evolution?

    how in the hell can you make such claims which must be relative to what you consider is white superior skills at such development. take good look at white societies around the world and tell what is exemplary about it all, particularly that we know Cause and Effect is nature’s way?

    where in the hell is white society going them?

    what is documented openly for all to see is the careening decay of the white world as we speak as the way the white collective set up itself home now comes home to be paid. it is decay of the decay white western Europe set up in the world

    you know what came to my mind just here at this moment! Tiny Grenada under Maurice Bishop and Bernard Coard. look at what Washington did to that tiny island and their people who had come to an understanding about their future and went about effecting. it was democratic/democracy, a solid base they had set up to take care of themselves and their future. Washington smashed it, color revolutionized it, kill Bishop and set up a nasty anti democratic government to dominate the people

    where in the hell do you get your civilization crackpottery from…the actual experience of what goes on in the world under the imposition of white people?

    look like Bishops murder was caused set up by the USA the USA under Trump killed Soleimani directly, openly, an assassination of a foreign leader, murder in the open…Donald Trump, president of the USA, the man who it was lauded was for the people ye an open murder of an important Brown man in the world.

    look man the USA killed openly MLK, Malcolm X. those were at the time tow of the most brilliant and personable people in the whole world loved by everyone simply for the beauty and sincerity of their movement. I am not religious at all, period! and have no time for religious people, then as a teenager and now as grown man. but I loved MLK and Malcolm X. even now I can see the brilliant Malcolm smile, his confident personality, his strong clear speech and the ideas he expressed, outlined, his critiques always humane

    to kill those two men in particular, had to have taken the absolute worst that humanity can be. and that is what we still have with us! I am sure the same could ne said of Kennedy – JFK! yet JFK I have come to learn had his warts too. however at the time he was killed he was for reasons that were consistent with the potential for humane action by America in the world that the powers behind the throne did not want effected, carried out by the Kennedys

    I don’t know what the hell Radical centre talks about above. Radical Centre does not understand society at all, human evolution…nothing! he feels that’s what, Radical centre feels and feels big time a strongly emotional man who may be better served writing music perhaps, singing and dancing, painting etc., not trying to deal with reality as he is doing here and now

    you ever heard of the name Eugene Russell Radical Centre?
    when you discover who he is if you do not already know you ought to see the point

    how well do you know the history of the western world scienticfically..in all was of science?

    like Russell you will find a lot of Black men and women at the root of it all, the real brains and hard work behind it all…and the Jews in particular, but whites in general, who took it all as theirs. still happening as we speak. but a lot of it has already been researched and noted and codified in the archives, there if you want to know. it is never popularized just documented and hidden away. go find it. when the truth is finally codified the story will be totally different to the one we live by now…the one that you live by clearly!

    but that happened at the hands of Jews-Whites to all people of color not just Blacks. you will find a lot of Arab-Muslims as victims in that way was as well, Chinese-Orientals as well… having done sterling creative work in scientific, industrial agricultural fields and their discoveries taken away from them, accredited to Jews-whites, who proceeded to take all advantages developing out of other peoples creativity and hard work

    that is the white society you call civilized as you slam Black society as not that way…CIVILIZED!

    but you do not see that Black people did not make :
    Racism

    War as a routine way of profit

    Capitalist Agriculture and genetically modified foods…the difference between polluted foods/organic foods. you can buy organic food for more money or you can buy the polluted foods that will kill you. there should be no such choices in society. that is not a civilized choice but an uncivilized one. there must be no polluted food at all on the store shelves

    Capitalist Health Industry that makes fake pandemics…when it is not routinely killing the population by systematically by the way ‘health’ is organized in society

    Generalized, existential industrial pollution that has poisoned air water and lands

    Creates a general social orientation that is nothing but suicidal when it comes to diet, entertainment, the quality of industrial products we are encouraged to consume. there is obesity by too many carbs. vegetable consumption is discouraged. there are explosions of diseases from poor diet that kills by the millions

    all of this is justified routinely by the most awful ideological/philosophical constructs that justify such human behavior as normal…the most extreme, illogical and limited self interest that is nothing if not humanly/socially suicidal.. suicidal in justifying the manufacture and use of atomic weapons as a way and mean to pin societies you have used up into existential corner out of they they could never emerge, after the use of those weapons on them… Japan!

    we can find the very same principle in the current fake Covid Pandemic. At this point in the USA and in the world, capitalism had failed utterly, all its potential now eaten up. there is no more capitalism to go. society must evolve totally, comprehensively.

    there are only two options for society evolution out of capitalism:
    Popular social revolution in which the ordinary people come out as the failure of capitalism bites them eats away all they have ever earned and have and renders ordinary people of the world destitute.

    The people have only that one option above:
    TAKE OVER SOCIETY AND IMPOSE THE COLLECTIVE WILL ON IT…NOT IN A BOLSHEVIK WAY, BUT THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT THE BENEFIT AND LEADERSHIP OF MINORIY PARTIES, POLITICAL OR OTHERS… CREATING ORGAIZATIOALLYTIONALLY AS THEY GO, DIRECTED BY THEIR COLLECTIVE NEEDS OF THAT DAY, TIME, THE TIMES AND SOCIAL PERIOD, RELATIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THEIR POPULAR COLECTIVE IN THE TOWNS AND IN THE CITIES, IN THE REGIONS, STATES AND PROVICES, IN THE NATIONS… THE WAY LIFE MUST BE, AND GO, IN ORDER TO MEET THE POPULAR NEED PERMANENTLY

    that’s right! without the need of and for any organized minority leadership factor like political parties, in which the counter revolution always hides.

    that is the option of the people, by the people for the people opposed to what the rich must do in order for then to keep all their stolen wealth and social power…WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING AS WE SPEAK WHICH IS WHAT THE COVID PANDEMIC IS ALL ABOUT

    ALL WE MUST DO TO SEE THIS VERY TRUTH is to examine all Covid 19 prevention regulations and we will notice right away, that they exactly corelates with stamping out the every normal routine behaviour that can produce popular agreement on anything and everything with which the people must deal with in times of general debate about society and necessary action by the people AS THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE MAJOR, CRUCIAL SOCIAL ISSUE IN HAND IN WHICH THEIR/OUR.. VERY COLLECTVE SURVIVAL IS AT STAKE!

    the rich know this fact….all of it, all and every aspect of it! and that there is no way out for them unless they RESET SOCIETY IN A WAY THAT ESTABLISHES THEIR DOMINATION OVER THE WORLD TOTALLY, COMPREHENSIVELY totally, AND PERMANENTLY.

    AND JUST LIKE THEY PAINTED THE JAPANESS INTO A CORNER PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY, ACTUALLY OUT OF WHICH THEY CAN NEVER EMERGE, SO TOO THEY HAVE ATTACKED THE HUMAN POPULATION RIGHT NOW! WITH PUPOSE OF DEPOPULATION AND REDUCTION OF HUMAN NUMBERS ON PLANET EARTH! AS WELL AS GENETIC ENGINEERING WITH VACCINES… CALCULATED TO REOGANIZE HUMAN DNA IN WAYS THAT IS NOTHNG SHORT OF CAPTURE OF THE HUMAN POPULATION AND ITS ULTIMATE DESTRUCTION

    lock down, depopulation, police state and far worse s above, is where the rich must go and that is exactly what they are creating as we speak. it is no secret! look at it happening right there in front of us, around us, on top of us. its only people like Radical centre who cant see it and talks the nonsense social analyses he does that helps misdirect us all, under encouragement by the other guy, who wants to star Radical Centre’s inane comment above! that is what it is indeed that comment ..inane! and for misdirection

    misdirection in that this nonsense race issue is not where we ordinary people should be focused on at this point in time at all. race is a nonsense issue facturally..an issue calculated to to divide the people for social control and general exploitation of all those black and white…the exploitation of all ordinary people in fact. is that why they want RD’s inane comment starred..so that it can have maximum, misdirection effect?

  137. @ben sampson

    as I said: there was and is a white riot going on in the world since the fifteenth century and I refuse to call it civilization Radical Centre. civilized it most definitely is not! it is nothing but a global white exploitative riot, in which all is organized to produce wealth for elitist whites regardless of cost finances or the lives of all those related…while systematic racism was created to facilitate ordinary whites earning a slice of the pie..as they facilitated the taking of riches by the elite whites at the same time.

    now that capitalism is filled out along with simultaneous technological advance that permits the white elites great power to eliminate easily and conveniently zillions of people, including ordinary whites, who are no longer useful to the white elites… these are now being dispossessed and prepared for very own elimination

    no civilization no here at all…only the most utterly savage existential greed imaginable

  138. AKINDLE says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You are just another parasitic negro that has befallen White countries. The country you live in speaks volumes. Go back to your motherland africa. You Negros are worst than locusts back in the day.

  139. AKINDLE says:
    @JohnPlywood

    So destroy all the National Parks and put up Section 8 housing? You are a joke.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  140. AKINDLE says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    So going by your name you are either English (or some black pretending to be). It’s cucks like you that have turned England into some african foreign criminal cesspool. Are you happy with White Children forced to live in an african ghetto? Shove off!

  141. @James Forrestal

    Please get it into your thick head – many populations with sub-replacement fertility have natural population growth. You were too dumb to realise that and you mistakenly think spamming ‘whites have TFR under 2.1’ somehow contradicts anything I’ve said above.

    But clearly, its noxious combination of virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred and toxic semitism compel it to direct its rants solely at Whites,

    No that’s your repeated falsehood. I’ve never told only ‘White Europeans’ to cut their birth/fertility rates – I repeatedly claimed overpopulation is a non-skin colour and global issue and all populations need to decline their TFR. Learn to read? And if you read my first comment without trolling and getting into a hissy-fit – I mentioned the problem with religion. Yes, strongly religious groups have much higher fertility rates, so its not a surprise ultra-orthodox Jews have a TFR of 7. However, in comparison secular Jews have a TFR of around 2 – conveniently you don’t mention this in your anti-Semitic rants.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  142. @AKINDLE

    Mulga Mumblebrain is a Black man!?

    I had no idea! No wonder he reads as intelligent as he does
    good show!

    and additionally for Radical Centre and his supportive sidekick, here is more white ‘civilizational behavior for us…from the modern centre and apex civilization of Europe: Germany itself, Berlin.. or is it Bonn…the modern Athens!

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/implanted-vaccine-package-id-germanys-parliament-has-ratified-gavis-digital-agenda-id2020/5736277

    the rich white elitist exploitative riot of global greed intensifies turning, focusing exclusively on their own now

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  143. Marckus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You are making a fundamental mistake having any discussion with a black man because you are hoping your logic will overcome their twaddle. You can talk soothingly to a jackass but unfortunately it remains stupid according to its nature.

    No matter what you say, you will always be wrong. Take the vaccination circus for example.

    Blacks will be the last to get the vaccine——–racism
    Blacks will be the first to get the vaccine——-whites are using them as guinea pigs
    Blacks will not get the vaccine……………………..whites want to kill them
    Blacks can choose whether they want the vaccine…….. fill in the riposte !!

    Blacks have to be victims otherwise they would have to accept they and they alone are to blame plus they would have to do something about it.

    The few blacks who have made it distance themselves from the mob (and move into white areas) while at the same time paying homage to the plight imposed on the black man by whitey. The black man at the bottom thinks this white persecution past and present must be true after all the rich black elite tell us this is so 24/7. In the meantime the blacks at the top scorn and detest their own at the bottom of the barrel.

    The more you guys respond to idiots like Ben Sampson the more you validate and acknowledge his bullshit and try to get him to see the light. Ignore him and he will go away or continue to write his gibberish to himself alone.

    In this world there are Blacks and Niggers. The first is a minority. They work hard, stay married, believe in continual education and raise their children to be responsible adults.

    The second category do the opposite and then are shocked they are failures ! Ben and his cohorts here on UR fall in this group. Dont waste your time on them.

  144. Black people must avoid those vaccinations at all costs. they are not to be trusted under any circumstances

    white people must avoid hem as well…ordinary white people, and the impression I have is that they are doing exactly that…refusing to take them. that is the same response to this unnecessary vaccination program in a fake pandemic.

    to go take a vaccination that changes absolutely nothing if that is all…and it isn’t all from the reports. the vaccinations stops nothing! we still must wear masks, socially distance and do all the insane things we are told to do despite the vaccination

    so what the point of the insane vaccination then?

    simply do not take the thing. there is some minute chance of getting sick anyway, and an even smaller risk of dying from Covid -19. the vaccines are pointless from the angle of the Covid -19 itself, so there must be some purpose other than the so called pandemic itself for the vaccine.

    and depopulation is right up there among the real purposes for the vaccine.. not for the so-called pandemic to and for which the vaccine appear not to be related at all

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @ben sampson
  145. @AKINDLE

    You say I’m a joke but then you get red-faced and angry when everything I say becomes reality.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Submit yourself to me.

    • Troll: Ian Smith
  146. @ben sampson

    ahhh! that’s so beautiful Marckus.

    that makes you so happy does it not. so much more vaccination for you as the blacks don’t want them. it satisfies your natural greed for everything. here! take mine as well.

    I don’t say anything about any dam thing going on. I want none of all that flows from white civilization/society as it has been. so I have no complaints about what you do with the vaccines as long as I not have to deal with them. I try to figure things out myself and so help myself directly

    si realize that all the noise was about a flu. that is what I wanted to find out…what the hell it is. once I was certain its flu then vitamins D and C were the answer. so I looked for a specific form of D. and for C lime juice squeezed with plain carbonated water mostly. when there was time more available ways to use vitC could be used. but it was easy to buy limes in bulk and have them ready for use all the time.

    lemons and grape fruits also contain high levels of vitC but also lots more sugar. so their use was staggered not consistent. limes fit the consistency profile. that was all I did for me and my family. vindication came when it was admitted how important vitD was in prevention. but I knew that literally from day one. I don’t need white medicine for any dam thing at all. white medicine is not organized with the purpose of taking care of the people as basic…but to profit off them as basic indeed. medicine, the health industry does not care about the wellbeing of the people

    but I admit it took me too long to understand white medicine early enough as a capitalist profit making process…that that was/is its purpose at all, the prevention of disease, the curing of disease and the restoration of the sick to good health etc. that one took me too long to sus’ out, along with diet, and how diet was/is is developed to promote maximum ill health among the people. not to nutrition the human body properly, along with movement filled life styles to keep people fit and healthy.

    it took me to long for all that because I never thought that people would actually do those sorts of things to each other…actually develop the means for people to harm themselves and sell it like a good thing, a bargain indeed. I got caught up in the civilization bullshit that has neutralized RADICAL CENTRE’s intellect… a mental state latched onto and made worse by Marckus

    once all of that is known and accepted about the status quo, then one looks out for oneself period! developing the ways of thought and action that leads to action that can make one, and ones’ family safe in any and all circumstances by ones won ability, skills and responses

    the ordinary people of the world have absolutely no reason based on the evidence to trust the white western elites period. NONE AT ALL!

    take a look at this: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/02/06/black-savannahians-haunted-memory-of-us-military-mosquito-experiment.html

    all you got to do is go back though American history and see for yourself examples of behavior like this. this began with America, indeed had been going on long before the 4 of July, calculatedly giving the original American people blankets fill with contagion they had no biological defenses, for that killed them off like flies

    that is how America began and this imbecile talks about civilization and the lack of it in and among Black people. incredible! Black people never did anything of the sort. American behavior historically, not only in America but in the whole world, is replete with such ‘civilized’ behavior: mass infections of targeted populations, mass poisonings, diet manipulation for the same purposes, poisonings food supplies, creating famines and all kinds of shortages all over the globe, genetic experimentation with whole populations of people….

    so Marckus can chat all the a-historical nonsense he wants to chant and convince brains like Radical Centre but what different does it make? none at all!

    the world is still experiencing a global western European originated white greed riot that has now gone home as well, come home to roost in the clearly on-going development of American/western European police states, that have targeted all white people save the rich, for dispossession and lockdown.. for the purpose of making white elitist domination permanent and beyond challenge by the ordinary people of their nations…and of the globe if they can manage that

  147. @Sirius

    Here we see the ignorant, hate-filled anti-White “Sirius” doubling down on his earlier race denialism and his adamant refusal to acknowledge the difference between people and geographic features. This is a common (and long-debunked) semitic canard, of course — see also Blank Slatism, Magic Dirtism, etc. Sad!

    And of course, he ignores my point that the Arab/ Berber Muslims of the Barbary States spent a thousand years enslaving millions of White Christians of autochthonous European origin — not only because he has no answer for it, but because to Sirius, only the White goyim are to be held collectively responsible for any alleged atrocity that another one of their people is accused of. Non-White goyim — and, especially, the Tribe? Fuggedaboudit.

    You are aware that “Negroes” is considered an offensive term

    Ah — the Narrative Enforcement team has arrived. Can’t properly shape the desired narrative without centrally dictating the mandatory use of specific terms.

    But “Black” is clearly a weaponized Bantu supremacist genocidal construct which implicitly negates the lived experience of Nilotics, Khoisans, and Pygmies. Guess we’ll have to go with “Bantu” then.

    Are you simply ignorant or just a “r****t”?

    Calm down. There’s no need to incontinently spew these sorts of anti-White slurs simply because you’ve lost an argument. Please try to control your virulent, unreasoning hatred for the autochthonous peoples of Europe.

    I included it as an example because it is just so egregious, a developed country being returned to the status of an underdeveloped one mired in civil conflict, and for what?

    To advance the interests of a certain small desert tribal country, and the settler-colonialist tribe that inhabits it. Duh. As for more specific details, you might wish to address your question to Sidney Blumenthal or Nicolas Sarkozy — or perhaps Haim Saban or the Pritzkers.

    Also, It is precisely why I mentioned the Congo, which you ignored entirely.

    Because that is in sub-Saharan Africa (rather than the Barbary Slave States/ the Magreb/ whatever you want to call the region) and is inhabited by Bantus/ Negroes. Duh.

    I don’t think you can blame the Zionists for that one

    Can’t blame the Tribe for muh “conflict minerals?” Let’s get a quick fact check on that oft-repeated semitic trope:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=blood+diamonds+israel
    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/12/human-rights-watch-gives-israels-blood-diamonds-a-free-pass/
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5235797
    “UN Report: Israeli Company Dealing in ‘Blood Diamonds’ From Ivory Coast”

    Oy vey!

    As a side note, it’s kind of ironic that you feel compelled to whine about my use of the currently-unfashionable term “Negro,” yet you persist in repeatedly spewing the semantic construct “the Congo,” which is not only anachronistic but — more importantly — imprecise. DRC and RoC have been separate countries since independence, and were separate colonies prior to that. Some might even argue that the “the Congo” inevitably evokes connotations of muh White Man’s Burden, implicitly “justifying” muh imperio-colonialist oppression of muh BIPOC subalterns ‘n sheeut. It appears to be inextricably intertwined with muh “r****t/ White supreemist tropes,” even:

    Clearly yet another tentacle of the noxious octopus of so-called “systemic r****m”. Very problematic in the current year.

    is there any particular reason why you didn’t hit the reply button to my post?

    Unintentional. Thought I did.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  148. Corrupt says:
    @anyone with a brain

    With tens of millions of Chinese likely to immigrate, it won’t matter if some number of Asian women bred with other races

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  149. @James Forrestal

    It’s mostly the fundamentalist orthodox and ultra-orthodox loonies, who treat their women as breeding machines, while the men frequent brothels ‘religiously’. Which is why they need to expand to the boundaries of Eretz Yisrael, ‘..from the Nile to the Euphrates’. Won’t end well,

  150. @AKINDLE

    Hate to tell ya, but ALL our ‘homelands’ are in east and south Africa.

  151. @ben sampson

    I’m afraid that I’m only black on the inside-like lots of ‘Whites’.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  152. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You can leave for Africa at any time. What is stopping you from rejoining paradise?

  153. @Peripatetic Itch

    I guess. I don’t normally sit around thinking about it; it’s just that there are a lot of white/asian couples in SoCal, and we naturally meet a lot of ‘em because our older kids attend a Mandarin-immersion school.

    Yes, of course it is suspicious that Chinese women come here and get close to men with great political or economic power over us. I’m not so sure about all the US-born Chinese, either, despite being friendly with some of ‘em. We don’t need to risk a fifth column, whether Jews or Chinese or whoever.

    Zuckerberg needs to be prosecuted and have his lying/censoring/opinion-manipulating “social media” machine nationalized.

    Zuckerberg’s wife Priscilla was born in the US; if her parents were already US citizens when she was born, I think she cannot be denaturalized and deported, but her parents never should have been allowed to settle here from Vietnam in the first place (they’re Cantonese-speaking ethnic Chinese but were living in Vietnam).

    Like most people in the US Congress, McConnell needs to be thrown out of office and prosecuted. His wife, Elaine Chao, was born in Taiwan to non-citizens, so she can be denaturalized and deported. Her parents never should have been allowed to settle here from Taiwan.

    I wouldn’t have considered marrying someone from China, and I think it’s unwise to allow mass immigration from China. My reasoning is not unique to China, either: it’s not prudent to allow much immigration from any rival economic/military power of a substantially different race, religion, or culture. This is especially true when the immigrant hails from a whole competing civilization, such as China, India, or the Islamic world. China and Japan know this well.

    We shouldn’t allow any non-Europeans to gain permanent residency here except (1) those who marry US citizens or (2) those who offer us truly exceptional and hard-to-find talents and skills (which does not describe the great majority of our H1B entrants). These categories constitute only a small minority of the flood of non-European immigrants we have been getting in the past 4-5 decades. And even those should never get citizenship.

  154. Biff says:
    @Anonymous

    Capitalism doesn’t want to turn the world into a big India, it wants to turn it into a big United States,

    Globo-Homo with a cape!(and nothing else).

  155. @ben sampson

    I don’t have any ancestors that we know of from the four countries you’ve mentioned, but yes, my ancestors are Europeans. I feel interest in them, affection for them, as you should feel for your own ancestors.

    Read my comment history and see whether I prefer a continuation of inter-racial hatred and violence; I don’t. I’d rather see voluntary separation between certain races if that’s the best we can do.

    Nor do I think that people of different races are necessarily unable to get along well, whether one-on-one or in groups; much seems to depend on which races we are talking about, and the recent or local history between the particular races.

    To address other points from your diatribe: I’m a pretty good singer and not a bad poet according to some, good guess, though not much of a dancer. As for being an “emotional” guy, well yeah, and you’re not exactly in a position to pose as someone who’s always calm and deliberate in your comments anyway. Underneath my strong emotions I try to make myself use the rational faculty and explain why I think, feel, or suppose as I do.

    Finally, I agree with more of your points than you might realize. This will become apparent if you read my past (and presumably future) comments about the evils that have been perpetrated by white people in the governments of the US, the UK, and other countries recently and not so recently — against their “fellow white people” as well as against Africans et al. I just don’t think that people of other races have acquitted themselves any better when they have gained great wealth and power over other people — sometimes even worse when they have the capacity to do so.

    And I can see pretty plainly what many African-“Americans”, white elites, and Jewish elites alike have in mind for me and my children — it’s not kind or just. There’s no one permanent victim race or oppressor race; evil is everywhere and apparently inherent in our human nature to some degree.

  156. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    that’s quite Black on the bright side! excellent!
    and lots of you eh! what! are things better than I thought?

  157. @Oliver D. Smith

    I’ve never told only ‘White Europeans’ to cut their birth/fertility rates

    Gotta love that “never only” construct… OK, “Oliver” — you claim that you spew exactly the same sorts of ignorant, hate-filled anti-natalist rants at MOTs and Negroes that you do at Whites. Yet your own behavior gives the lie to this assertion, of course — because you’re not posting this sort of hate at The Root or Tablet or Arutz Sheva… you’re posting it here. Actions speak louder than words.

    And what’s this?

    secular Jews

    Gee, you’re kinda undermining the “Just a religion, goy!” canard here, (((Oliver))). You sure you wanna do that? Seems like a tactical error to me…

    Also note that “Oliver,” after repeatedly spewing toxic anti-natalist rants at the White goyim, starts whining about so-called “antisemitism”… simply because I pointed out the obvious anti-White hatred underlying his “argument.” You know what they say: reflexive projection is a prominent feature of toxic semitism. Shouldn’t the Tribe be leading the way on this issue, “Oliver?” Setting an example for the goyim by drastically reducing their carbon emanations (and penumbras)? Tikkun olam, my man…

    Now that he’s been exposed, (((Oliver))) is reduced to desperately (and mindlessly) shrieking yet again about “muh demographic momentum,” and how it means that it’s “simply not good enough” for the White goyim to have below-replacement fertility in every single White country on Earth. Nope — his genocidal anti-White hatred and his toxic semitism compel him to screech that Whites simply must sterilize themselves completely. For dedicated anti-Whites like him, nothing short of that will do.

    So let’s delve a little deeper into the demographic effects of his “self-sterilization for Whites” program. What would happen if we were to take “Oliver’s” vitriolic anti-natalist rants seriously and adopt his proposed policies? In the the long term, of course, it would amount to collective suicide — which is “Oliver’s” goal.

    But what happens in the medium term? Stop having babies, and the population steadily ages; the median age increases, and a “demographic bulge” approaches retirement age… and “Oliver’s” co-ethnics stridently shriek: “The White goyim are getting too old! Who’s gonna pay your pensions, goy? You need to import millions more non-Whites right now!”

    Don’t take my word for it — unlike “Oliver,” I don’t build my arguments on a foundation of unsourced naked assertions:. “Whitey is too old — needs to import millions more non-Whites to pay his pension” is a trope that is very commonly seen in “news” media narratives:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=european+populations+too+old+need+immigration&ia=web
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=american+population+too+old+need+immigration&ia=web

    Basic internal consistency is not a prominent feature of semitic narratives… to say the least.

    An extreme version of this anti-White propaganda narrative can be found in Matt Yglesias’ screed One Billion “Americans.”. Like “Oliver,” Yglesias is primarily motivated by anti-White hatred.

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  158. @James Forrestal

    There’s no hate in my comments, nor does my viewpoint stem from any (projection? seeming as you are a hate-filled racist and anti-Semite…) The very opposite in fact – negative utilitarianism. Human procreation is immoral in terms of how much suffering and pain the human species cause other species as well as environmental degradation therefore there is a moral argument against breeding.

    Unlike you, I base my viewpoint on evidence, as an example take a look at the biodiversity loss caused by humans. This is not a region-specific issue but a global one.

    If you want to call this evidence-based view antinatalism – fine by me.

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  159. Sirius says:
    @James Forrestal

    And of course, he ignores my point that the Arab/ Berber Muslims of the Barbary States spent a thousand years enslaving millions of White Christians of autochthonous European origin

    I ignored it because it is patently false and ridiculous, just like all your argumentation. It also is a diversion from the main point I made and irrelevant to African progress of the modern era. So a few kidnappings for ransom in the 18th century suddenly becomes enslavement of millions of Whites for a millennium? Are you kidding? What’s the matter with you? Are you nuts? That is supremely ridiculous and you offer no sources, no specifics, nothing, just a made up allegations and exaggerations.

    And stop calling me “anti-White”. I can’t criticize NATO or European colonialism without being “anti-White”? You’re practicing what the Zionists do whenever anyone criticizes Israel as “anti-Semitic”. It’s a nasty tactic and you seem to have learned it from the Zionists. You also tend to call everyone who disagrees you with “hate-filled”. I think you ought to look in the mirror and assess whether it is you who is hate-filled.

    Everything you say is, frankly, stupid. The Congo is not an accepted term? What was it called at the beginning of the century? The DRC? It was the Belgian Congo, and when it was decolonized, it was the Congo. The name changed to Zaire for a while too. Was I supposed to give you a detailed history lesson of every name change? These are limited posts, not an opportunity to write a book or even an essay.

    And to compare using “Black” or “the Congo” with your misuse of the word “Negro” is again beyond absurd. So you can use “Whites” for white Europeans, but you can’t get yourself to use “Blacks” for black Africans, yet criticize me for using the word “Blacks”? You don’t see any hypocrisy there? Go ask a Black man sometime and ask him if you can refer to him as a “Negro”. See what the response is.

    And you’re accusing me of advancing “Israel’s” interests? I invite you to read my numerous anti-Zionist posts. For your information, I consider Zionism as one of the most dangerous and malicious ideologies the world has ever seen. But you can’t see that, as you really seem to see the world in black and white, or more accurately “pro-” and “anti-White”.

    You also took my statement out of context about the Zionists not to be blamed. I was referring specifically to the Belgian colonization of the late 1800s, not the later diamond trade which you referred to. Did Zionists force Leopold and his henchman to brutalize the Congo, murdering perhaps millions. Punishments such as manumission were used. Were Zionists there to do that? Did Zionists overthrow and murder Patrice Lumumba? Did you even address that?

    There is a timeline of history that you have to consider, but apparently you see history as just one big blur, kind of like your simplistic view of “White” and “anti-White”.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  160. @Sirius

    I ignored it because it is patently “false”

    “Sirius”” incoherent blabbering is clearly driven by virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred — and like the vast majority of anti-Whites, he is almost entirely ignorant of even the basics of history. Never even heard of the Moorish setter-colonialist invasion of Spain, apparently. Sad!

    Read, and learn, dummy:

    Note that Sirius’ pathetic attempt at a “refutation” amounts to spewing unsourced naked assertions, — he remains pathetically incapable of even attempting to provide a source for his blatant, hate-filled Barbary slavery denialism. If this merely reflected a noxious combination of deep ignorance, hatred, and blind rage on his part, one would expect him to immediately cite some sources for the alleged “facts” that “justify” his genocidal hatred. Perhaps it’s more deliberate mendacity than simple ignorance on his part? Hmm…

    “…and ridiculous”

    Here we see “Sirius” openly admitting that he sees it as “ridiculous” to think of the enslavement of millions of Europeans as in any way a bad thing. In what passes for his “mind,” enslaving the indigenous peoples of Europe is so obviously a “moral good” as to not even require a specific rationalization.

    Anti-White hatred indeed. See also the related anti-White trope that I mentioned earlier:

    “…to Sirius, only the White goyim are to be held collectively responsible for any alleged atrocity that another one of their people is accused of. Non-White goyim — and, especially, the Tribe? Fuggedaboudit.”

    “you offer no sources”

    Ahem — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

    “Black” “Negro” etc.:

    You’re the one who insisted that I use “Bantu” instead of “Negro” to refer to the imperialist tribes who expanded over all of sub-Saharan Africa, displacing (and genociding) its indigenous inhabitants. Since I’m a nice guy, I went along with your demand — and look what happened; you’re still whining. This is why you should never try to appease ignorant, hate-filled anti-Whites — it only encourages them.

    Your histrionic gibbering in a vain attempt to “justify” your support for Bantu supremacism and the ongoing enslavement and cannibalization of Pygmies does not require specific refutation, of course. And you do realize that it’s not my fault that you’re not woke enough to realize that imperio-colonialist semantic construct of “the Congo” is very problematic in the current year, don’t you? Go back to neocolonialist critical race theory class — don’t whine to me.

    Zionists not to be blamed. I was referring specifically to the Belgian colonization of the late 1800s, not the later diamond trade which you referred to. Did Zionists force Leopold and his henchman blabla muh 6 billion hands cut off

    OK, ya got me. I’m actually 135 years old, and I personally killed 66.000 Luba and Mongo back in the day. But I haven’t cut off any Bantu hands in at least 110 years, so I’m good…

    On a more serious note, it’s funny you should mention the Tribe in this context, since, as any educated person knows, the anti-White semitic canard that you cite is commonly known as the “Hochschildian Holycost”:

    “Early life” check is positive:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Hochschild#Biography

    As we see above, the “666 Billion Bantu Hands” trope is clearly modeled on the Holycost template. The setting of the Congo atrocity propaganda narrative is earlier, but it wasn’t reified until Hothschild’s semitic screed was published in 1998 — while intensive promotion of the “Holocaust” meme begins at least 20 years earlier:

    My (heavily-sourced) point that the Tribe is deeply involved in “conflict minerals” in the current year still stands, of course.

    I’m not sure why you’re blabbering that it’s somehow “not fair!” for me to point out your obvious (and vitriolic) anti-White hatred — but many anti-Whites seem to feel this way. Perhaps because they view hatred for the indigenous peoples of Europe as somehow a “moral good?” Strange.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  161. @Oliver D. Smith

    … you are a hate-filled r****t

    Calm down. I realize that waht passes for your “mind” is completely suffused with rage by the failure of your pathetic attempts at “arguments,” and by my pointing out the virulent anti-White hatred and toxic semitism that compels you to compulsively vomit forth these ignorant rants, but that’s no excuse for you to spew anti-White slurs like the R word. I know it’s hard for you, but please try to be more tolerant.

    (((Oliver’s))) response to my observation of the self-evident fact that “reflexive projection is a prominent feature of toxic semitism” is… to accuse me of projection. Clearly, his overrated yiddishe kop is so consumed with rage and hatred that it’s vapor locked — he’s reduced to second grade level “I know U R but what am I?” blabbering…

    Sad! A shanda fur die goyim, really…

    Unlike you, I base my viewpoint on “evidence”

    To ignorant, hate-filled anti-Whites like “Oliver,” the term “evidence” apparently means something like “repeated insistence that the goyim simply have to believe anything I say — because reasons.” Just look at the many links to copious supporting evidence in my posts. Now look at the near-total absence of links in “Oliver’s” incoherent rants. As I noted before, shameless mendacity is a characteristic feature of toxic semitism…

    Human procreation is “immoral”

    It doesn’t get any clearer than that. Here we see “Oliver” openly admitting that generalized anti-natalism is driven by anti-humanism. And someone who persistently posts vitriolic anti-natalist rants aimed at a specific population? Clearly, they’re driven by hatred for that specific people (in this case, indigenous Europeans and their diaspora) rather than merely hatred for humanity in general.

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  162. red22 says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    In Estonia 17,000 sq miles; they have
    1,300,000.
    In thirty years there might be 1,100,000

    Nearby neighbors are Finland, Russia, and Latvia.

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  163. Sirius says:
    @James Forrestal

    You’re the one who insisted that I use “Bantu”

    Really? Have another look. I never used the word “Bantu”. Not Once. I don’t know what you’re on about.

    OK, ya got me. I’m actually 135 years old, and I personally killed 66.000 Luba and Mongo back in the day

    Did I accuse you of being personally involved in the Belgian Congo massacres? You’re a verifiable lunatic.

    Your source on “white slavery” doesn’t go anywhere, doesn’t prove anything and doesn’t have anything to do with what I was saying anyway. You might as well have posted something on slavery during the Roman or Carthaginian Empires. It’s irrelevant to the destruction of Libya in the year 2011.

    You just insist on having a race argument as you are doing with others in this forum. Enough of this nonsense. You’ll have to find someone else. I’m not wasting anymore of my time on a nutcase like you.

    You can address your angry racist tirades to someone else.

  164. @red22

    Estonia has very high carbon emissions per capita and is the second largest emitter of CO2 per capita in the European Union. They need to keep shrinking their population.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  165. @James Forrestal

    It’s funny how people like yourself end up in the same boat as SJWs, Antifa and Marxists with your anti-science overpopulation denial and use of the same fallacies and slurs.

    Strange bedfellows- the far-right and far-left denying the same reality.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10042857.2016.1149296

  166. Sirius says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Or lowering their carbon emissions!

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  167. @Sirius

    Not having children saves the most amount of Co2-

    https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/children-carbon-footprint-climate-change-damage-having-kids-research-a7837961.html

    Furthermore reducing fertility rates humanely is practical and we already have seen a global decline in fertility rates for decades (although the decline needs to be speeded up)

    Of course, I also support individuals changing their consumption but the problem is very few people will become vegetarians/vegans and go car-free.

    How many vegetarians/vegans are there in Estonia who don’t use a car?

  168. Latinos are not a race. There are white, black, Asian and native Americans from latino cultural extract. I am one of them and I am as white as anybody else in this country, not one drop of blood from any other race.

  169. @Oliver D. Smith

    To an extent you are correct… But growing up in a large family was extremely fun. We didnt have some of the some the “trappings” of affluent life but we certainly enjoyed. What good is a fancy car if you have no kids to take on an excursion? Having big families is only a negative if people have a greedy mentality that they have to have luxurious things. Which yes – US culture does pump out 24/7/365.

  170. @RadicalCenter

    Why did white Europeans leave their great societies to migrate all over the world if their societies are always great?

  171. @Mustapha Mond

    Doesnt make sense. Soy has been widely used in East Asia for many centuries. There was NO PROBLEM producing offspring. there is something else causing a drop in male testosterone (which indeed is measurable). On the other hand – evej without that you have widemscale use of contraceptives and abortions. Women work more than they did in the past. All that adds up to less children even if there was no drop in fertility.

  172. @bomag

    Really? So how come when Europeans arrived in the Americas and Africa so many kf the large animals were still there?? Almost all indigenous people every where understood that if you kill too many of a species that its population would collapse. Ancients didnt need the scientific theory to know that. In every culture that kind of thing was taught. Guns and international trade changed the paradigm

  173. @BasedTeuton

    Agreed. In addition teaching boys and girls to think and act alike is another fertility killer. Females are taught to be tough like boys and boys are taught to be soft like girls. Nobody knows their role. So when they are adults – guys arent i terested in being fathers and females want to wait until after 30 to advance their careers.

  174. @Sirius

    Yes but that is why Gaddafi was taken out. Not just whites – but gulf arabs also hate “black unity”. If blacks dont keep fighting each other then they cant be as easily co trolled. Even worse Gaddafi dared to tell Africans that if they pool their resources control them through an African currency – thereby overturning NATO countries influence – he had to be killed. That is also why Chinese forays into Africa are being spoken ill of . how dare the Chinese build RELEVANT infrastructure (mass transit and good highways and modern telecom networks) and teach Africans they can industrialize (though with AI that is coming late) and share techniques of growing crops like rice in saline waters?!?! Teaching Africans that by working with China’s space agency they can learn to analyze satellite data. Then Africans will have self respect and you know some just cant have that.

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