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“[T]here can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the
name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name.”

—The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

“Lying is your mother tongue.”

—Jesus to the Jews

It was a horrifying scene in Fairfield, Illinois, on that August day in 1924. A 74-year-old Jewish man named Emmanuel “Manny” Steiner, an immigrant clothing merchant, was paraded down the city’s main street by 40 hooded and robed Ku Klux Klansmen as 15,000 whites looked on. They brought the man to a city park in broad daylight and had him stand before them. That’s when one of the Klansmen—a Christian minister—pulled off his hood and spoke directly to Steiner:

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan respect and revere you….As a citizen there is no better….On behalf of the klansmen of Wayne County, who hold you in high esteem and regard, we present you with this token [a basket of 50 red roses], realizing that you are a man. We hope that as you go down the twilight trail you will remember with kindness and generosity the men in the masks.

The Klansmen then knelt and prayed, after which they rose and in solemn procession filed past Steiner to take their turn shaking his hand. The men who the Southern Poverty Law Center declared to be “the historic symbol of racist terrorism” were not there in Fairfield to lynch or burn this Jew alive, or to cut off his body parts to display in a jar at the local Five & Dime, as they had done to 5,000 innocent Black Americans. They were instead honoring the Jewish merchant on his “golden business anniversary.”

“Manny,” as he was lovingly known, was no insignificant figure—he was a city councilor, a bank director, the treasurer of the Masons and the Odd Fellows, and a long-time member in good standing of his people’s St. Louis synagogue. And Steiner received this high honor from the white terrorists as his wife, children, and grandchildren proudly looked on.

August 23rd of 1924 was declared “Steiner Day” and was reported to be “the greatest outpouring of people in the history of Wayne County.” Congressmen and senators sang his praises before all partook in a massive barbeque of 60 sheep, 20 sides of beef and 50 hams (presumably kosher). It was a white supremacist Ku Klux Klan extravaganza for a Jew that even the Klan’s national founder and grand wizard, William Simmons, was never granted. But how could this be?

The history of white Jewish supremacy has been skillfully concealed for generations. And their planned and enforced ignorance has led Jews to an aggressive self-deception that has led them to believe that there were no Manny Steiners in their history. It is a Jewish racial delusion that is today crashing down around them.

The attack on a British rap artist has put white Jewish supremacy under the spotlight. The headline in the Daily Mail was forthright: “Wiley accused of antisemitism after likening Jews to Ku Klux Klan.” Bro. Wiley’s “crime” was as trivial as those “crimes” alleged against the 5,000 massacred Blacks—but no less deadly. He tweeted: “There are 2 sets of people who nobody has really wanted to challenge Jewish & KKK but being in business for 20 years you start to understand why.”

The Jewish reaction was beyond bizarre. Within hours Brother Wiley was banned by Twitter and Facebook, Instagram deleted him, YouTube suspended him, his Jewish manager dropped him, and, most fiendish, the Metropolitan Police opened an official investigation! Jews even forced the respected Black news outlet The Voice to remove the interview they did with Bro. Wiley seeking his perspective! It was all the proof anyone ever needed that the power of white supremacist Jews is all-pervasive and indisputable.

Joe Glaser controlled 70% of the Black entertainers in America
Joe Glaser controlled 70% of the Black entertainers in America

Brother Wiley was addressing two very significant issues that have long been an ugly part of the entertainment industry: (1) the exploitation of Black artists by white Jewish managers, agents, lawyers, and record executives; and (2) the Ku Klux Klan-like racism of white Jews in that business. In his now purged Voice interview the “grunge rapper” was circumspect:

“The things that need to change is the way that the system was set up, why all of these families are rich, or all of these people have heritage, not just England, like, worldwide….They still see us as slaves. Slavery hasn’t stopped it’s just dressed up in a million pound record deal …”

The first issue is an old complaint that was voiced most sharply by the early jazz musicians. Jewish gangster Joe Glaser controlled 70% of the Black entertainers in America and robbed every last one of them, including Louis Armstrong, Billie Holiday, and Duke Ellington. The Jewish Chess brothers robbed the blues greats blind, including Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, and Muddy Waters. Jimi Hendrix was milked by Jewish thief Brian Epstein; murderer Phil Spector ripped off singer Darlene Love and his own wife, Ronny Spector; and Arthur Goldberg infamously stole millions from Little Richard. Prince had epic battles with Warner Brothers and began appearing with the word “SLAVE” written on his face. Michael Jackson publicly called Tommy Mattola (a Jewish convert) a “racist who exploited black talent.” Pharrell Williams complained that “It’s really weird: They own the fields where you and God have laid the seeds; you do the harvesting, but they have the ownership.” Wild & Out’s Nick Cannon claims “I created a billion-dollar brand” for Shari Redstone’s (nee’ Rothstein) Viacom, and “my ownership was swindled away from me….[T]hey have been mistreating and robbing our community for years.”

The problem with all these cases is that none of these Black performers apparently read or understood the real contract terms. In the Jewish world in which these Black gentile artists operate, the ancient Jewish “holy book” Talmud supersedes all other contracts and agreements. The 42-volume Talmud is thousands of years old and all-encompassing and binding in every respect. Its tractate (section) Bava Kamma 113b clearly states that Jews have every right to cheat gentiles in business. Bava Kamma 113a further stipulates that where a lawsuit arises between a Jew and a Gentile, it is permissible for the Jew to use lying and deception to achieve advantage. Blacks are just the latest to get tripped up by these strange Jewish Talmudic codes that have for many centuries caused often-violent rifts between Jews and Gentiles across Europe. There are no known cases of a Jewish manager being ripped off by a Black entertainer, and it is equally rare that a Jewish exploiter ever had to pay a criminal penalty for this open racial larceny, so obviously the more favorable Talmudic law is in full effect. It is only when Blacks come to understand the reality of these satanic Jewish ground rules that Blacks and Jews might come to a better, more equitable, relationship.

“6. He likes the devil because the devil gives him nothing. 7. Why does he like the devil? 8. Because the devil put fear in him when he was a little boy.” —English Lesson No. C1, The Supreme Wisdom

Wiley compared his exploitative business relationship with Jews to the experience Blacks have had with the terrorist Ku Klux Klan—and that exposure is what truly brought Jews to apoplexy. The Jews have been so successful in concealing their history of anti-Black violence and anti-Black hatred that it is found in but one publication—in a 73-page chapter in The Secret Relationship Between Blacks & Jews, Volume 2, released by the Nation of Islam in 2010. The chapter is titled “Jews, Lynching, and the Ku Klux Klan,” and it documents from Jewish sources some horrifying truths about their significant role in the American white supremacy movement.

Bernard Postal
Bernard Postal

But that is not a new revelation. Before the Civil Rights era, Jews readily called public attention to their unkosher KKK connection. In 1928, the Jewish Tribune newspaper actually published an article titled “Jews in the Ku Klux Klan,” in which the Jewish author, Bernard Postala B’nai B’rith official—boasted that Jews have had “a considerably more important hand [in the KKK] than Jews know about…” Postal reveals: [T]he attorneys for the dragons, kleagles and other officials have not infrequently been Jews….[T]here are unquestionably Jewish members of the Klan in many states.

The role of Jews in the KKK is surprising to no one who understands how Jews aided, reinforced, and profited from slavery and the trade in slave-produced commodities like sugar, tobacco, and especially cotton. And they performed their civic duty admirably. Prominent Jews fought to establish, maintain, and strengthen America’s slave codes and later Jim Crow laws. There were over 100 Jewish mayors and literally hundreds of Jewish public officials in the slavery and Jim Crow South. Jews served as police chiefs and as sheriffs, and as elected officials they faithfully upheld and reinforced White Supremacy and racial discrimination.

_The Ku Klux Klan gave their Jewish supporter “Manny” Steiner 50 roses in broad daylight. This is what they did to Blacks at night.
_The Ku Klux Klan gave their Jewish supporter “Manny” Steiner 50 roses in broad daylight. This is what they did to Blacks at night.

The Jew Klux Klan

Some important background: The Ku Klux Klan emerged in the post-Civil War and post-slavery era known as Reconstruction. Their role was entirely economic, namely, to force the emancipated Blacks from pursuing anything other than a plantation life as growers, cultivators, and pickers of that almighty crop that generated over eighty percent of the American economy—cotton. It was not easy for whites to wean themselves off a 300-year addiction to free Black labor and the violent means they had always used to maintain chattel slavery. They were not going to accept that Blacks would simply walk away from the central role that had built their world-leading empire.

Jews were particularly interested in how this post-war labor situation would resolve itself. Jewish businessmen flooded into the South to restart a collapsed and war-ravaged economy, with a particular focus on the cotton business. Jewish scholar Dr. Michael R. Cohen confirms and expands upon that core theme in his 2017 book titled Cotton Capitalists: American Jewish Entrepreneurship in the Reconstruction Era. He wrote that “Jews clustered in the cotton industry, and as a staggering number of Jews operated dry goods and general stores, Jews became deeply enmeshed in the nation’s—and perhaps the world’s—most important industry.” And so the re-enslavement mission of the Ku Klux Klan and the business aspirations of the Jews actually harmonized.

But it was even deeper than that. Dr. Cohen’s reference to the “staggering number” of Jewish-run general stores is key, because those ubiquitous country stores became the region’s ATMs—the hub of the sharecropping system in which ex-slaves were forced into low-wage service to the Jews’ cotton economy. The Jewish stores brought in the tools, the mules, the seed, and the finance, and likewise became the regional depots for the millions of cotton bales from Black sharecroppers all over the South. It is the ugly truth of how the Jews got so rich in America, and how the Blacks got stalled in abject poverty. So while the Ku Klux Klan and the Jewish business class were bosom buddies, Blacks were their perennial victims. When Black leaders—like Booker T. Washington, W.E.B DuBois, and Marcus Garvey—spoke up about this nasty economic injustice, they too were bludgeoned with the “anti-Semite” label. Today all those Black truth-tellers would have been banned from social media.

Were the Jews behind the formation of the Ku Klux Klan? Yes.

Early leaders of the Tennessee-born Klan sailed all the way to England to seek investment from an exiled Confederate Jewish banker named Judah P. Benjamin. A Louisiana plantation owner with 140 enslaved Africans, Benjamin had arranged Jewish financing for the Confederate Army, a financial deal that extended the carnage for more than a year and earned him an honored portrait on their 2-dollar bill! The KKK emissaries told Benjamin of the “negro threat” to the South and that they needed horses and weapons to “control” Blacks and to reestablish the highly profitable slave system. Benjamin eagerly invested.

Another Jewish congressman, William M. Levy of Louisiana, said that freeing the slaves caused “despair and danger,” and he warned that “innocent maidens [and] helpless infants” were in imminent peril. It was Levy’s white supremacist rant in Congress in 1877 that put Rutherford B. Hayes into the presidency, ending Reconstruction and Black hopes of ever becoming truly free in America.

The respected Jewish scholar Harry Simonhoff wrote about the KKK with incredible irony. It had “A lingering tradition of religious tolerance [that] made it possible for Jews and Catholics to be members of the night-riding group.” Isaac Hermann of Sandersville, Georgia, was a Confederate veteran and a full-fledged Klansman. A Jewish scholar described him as a leader in the movement to “protect the whites against the Negro…” Philip Isenbaum of Mississippi identified himself as the “Grand Cyclops” of the Ku Klux Klan when he signed an 1871 notice threatening a lynching death for the white officials who had recommended “a big black nigger” for a position of authority. Isenbaum warned them to “beware, beware, beware, beware.” The father of Bernard Baruch, the influential banker who advised presidents from Wilson to Roosevelt, was a proud robe-wearing Klansman. The Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black, who was himself a Klansman, was invited to join by a Jew.

These are not just Southerners caught up in “southern traditions.” The most prominent Jew in America was New Yorker Rabbi Morris Raphall: he was the highest paid clergyman in America and in his most famous oration he declared to the world that God Himself supported slavery! Another Jewish leader asserted that “the Negro forms the mud at [the] base” of civilization. There were many Jews who believed as did Frank J. Cohen, editor of the Jewish Sentiment newspaper, when he said, in perfect harmony with Klan doctrine:

“The white man will rule by fair means or by foul….God Almighty never created the negro the white man’s equal and even an act of Congress will not change the trend of nature or swerve the white man from his determination to retain his supremacy.”

John Cohen was the longtime editor of the Atlanta Journal. He was the son of a rabbi and described as “high in the councils of the Ku Klux Klan.” He “whipped whites into a frenzy” of race hate that ultimately led to the Atlanta Massacre of 1906, in which 50 Blacks were murdered and 150 were wounded, forcing over a thousand to flee the city. White gangs met and organized at the O.H. Silverman Co. building, and pawnbrokers Morris and Samuel Greenblatt, at 123 Peters Street, supplied guns and ammunition.

In 1905, Cohen’s paper promoted Thomas Dixon’s racist novel Clansman, the book that became the inspiration for the most racially destructive movie ever made—The Birth of a Nation. So vicious was this Jewish-financed film that when it was released in 1915 it became the main driver in the rebirth of the Ku Klux Klan. It made so much money for its east coast distributor that he went to Hollywood and started the largest movie studio in history. His name was Louis B. Mayer and his studio was Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, which became the fount of many of Hollywood’s racist movie images.

In 1896 a Jewish white supremacist named Adolph Ochs (pronounced ox) bought the New York Times and began publishing racist articles and editorials indistinguishable from Klan attitudes and beliefs. The Times freely used terms like “nigger,” “coon,” and “darkey” to describe Blacks, and it made a conscious point of never capitalizing the word Negro. The Ku Klux Klan capitalized “Negro” in its publications years before the New York Times would.

According to scholars, businesses showed their ideological solidarity with the racial terrorists by choosing names beginning with three K’s, and several Jewish merchants are found following that custom, especially in Klan strongholds: Kaufman’s Kampus Klothes, Kaufman’s Kosher Kafe, Harry Karp’s Kool Kwality Klothes, and Kadetz Kosher Kafe. In Columbia, South Carolina, there was Kohn’s Korrect Klothes and in Boise, Idaho, Kirshbaum’s Klever Klothes.

When Blacks gained a measure of political power in Wilmington, North Carolina, Jews were among the leaders that rallied the mob of whites in 1898 that massacred as many as 300 Blacks. According to the Encyclopedia of Southern Jewish Communities, Nathaniel Jacobi organized business owners to threaten to fire their Black employees.

“At a public meeting, both Jacobi and [Solomon] Fishblate spoke to a growing mob and supported a declaration that whites should rule Wilmington and North Carolina. This meeting later resulted in the violent Wilmington Race Riot of 1898, in which white mobs terrorized the city’s black population and forcibly installed Democratic Party rule.…Jews like Fishblate and Jacobi supported this effort to overturn ‘black rule,’ showing how much Jews had assimilated into the local culture of white supremacy.”

It is well known that the Nazis forced Jews to carry “Jewish passports” stamped with an identifying letter “J”. The most prominent and wealthy Jew in Atlanta, Oscar Pappenheimer, actually proposed a similar plan for all Southern Blacks—30 years before Hitler! His close business associate was a man named Leo Frank, the president of the Atlanta B’nai B’rith. Frank advocated that Blacks be barred from giving testimony in court because, as Frank’s lawyer said, “If you put a nigger in a hopper he’ll drip lies.” When charged with murder, Leo Frank—the Father of the Anti-Defamation League—argued that murder is a “negro crime” and so he, a white man, could not be guilty.

Attorney Dale Schwartz, a national board member of B’nai B’rith’s Anti-Defamation League, grew up in a merchant family in Georgia that knowingly sold disguises to Ku Klux Klan members. He said that “whenever we sold a lot of white sheets we knew there was going to be a Klan meeting.” Said one Jewish merchant: “I used to sell ’em the sheets, and Sam the tailor made them into robes. Let me tell you we had a good business going.” A Jewish storeowner reportedly paid the Klan initiation fees for his employees.

In the early 1900s the most prominent Jew in America was Louis Marshall. A top attorney, he was founder and first president of the American Jewish Committee. Lesser known was that he was also the “main legal advisor” to the American Breeders Association, a pre-Hitler organization of whites committed to eugenics and the racial cleansing of America. Marshall opposed the anti-lynching bill proposed by the NAACP and fought to undermine it, calling it “unconstitutional” and a violation of “state’s rights.” He defended the KKK as a secret fraternal organization like his own.

The fact is, one is hard-pressed to find any Jew of any historical significance voicing any support for Black freedom, justice, or equality. The reality is that white supremacy is as Jewish a tradition as is corned beef and Hanukkah. Racism works for Jews—it is highly PROFITABLE and has sustained them over many centuries and in many lands. Find those societies in history where Black slavery forms the economic foundation—the Caribbean, Brazil, Mississippi Delta, South Africa, Rhodesia, Surinam, India—and Jews will be there also, not as an oppressed underclass but as a thriving and vital community. White supremacy will continue to uphold Jews and their white gentile partners as long as Blacks continue to play a passive and supporting role, giving them unfettered access to our children’s minds and a controlling interest in our Black talent and labor.

What we see in Wiley, in Jay Electronica, in Nick Cannon, in Ice Cube, in Tamika Mallory, in DeSean Jackson, in Professor Griff, and what we see in all of those who have endured this latest round of Jewish lynchings, is NOT “anti-Semitism”—but our strongest and most conscious voices demanding to be free.

(Republished from Nation of Islam Research Group by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Looking at that Talmud detail, Bava Kamma 113a, clearly stating that Jews have every right to cheat Gentiles in business, it may explain the immense wealth behind the Jewish lobby, why such a high proportion are billionaires. And:

    Bava Kamma 113a further stipulates that where a lawsuit arises between a Jew and a Gentile, it is permissible for the Jew to use lying and deception to achieve advantage.

    Why isn’t that brought to the attention of every judge?

    The first question to be asked of every witness is, is that person a Jew? (knowing that the answer may be a lie).

    Whenever the witness admits to being a Jew, the judge should read Bava Kamma 113a aloud to the jury, and advise them to treat the words of that witness with appropriate caution.

    • Agree: Thim
  2. Wyatt says:

    The only interesting thing here is that the Klan cucked to jews and that Sephardim are much less worse than Ashkenazis. Still jews, but there’s a big difference between Secretary of State for the Confederacy and the primary agitators for the communist movement.

    Is there something about slavs that adding jew into the mix just makes them abominations of unprecedented scale? Is there any slavic jew that could be reasonably called a decent person and isn’t Bobby Fischer?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @profnasty
  3. Thomasina says:

    A very interesting article. The situation has now turned 180 degrees. Today Whites are the enemy and are the ones being attacked.

    A hundred years ago Whites were fearful and full of hatred against Blacks. Today Blacks are apparently fearful of Whites and are rising up in hatred against them.

    But out of the smoke we see another player here: the Jews.

    As they have always managed to own the media, big business and, above all, stick together, were they the people responsible for riling up the Whites in the past as they are now doing with the Blacks?

    A pattern emerges: Jews appear to use whatever tools they deem necessary to move the masses and to stay on top. In the past they used fear of the Black man. Today they are using guilt and shame directed at the White man. Whatever way the wind blows.

    The Jews want to see neoliberalism/globalism maintained at all cost, stopping at nothing to see it continue.

    It was predominantly Whites who voted for Trump. No, no, no, this will never do. Of course, Whites didn’t vote for Trump for racial reasons, so Whites could remain on top. No, they did it because they wanted to see jobs returned to the U.S. and for an end to the cheap labor being provided by endless immigration (two practices which hurt both Whites and Blacks).

    But Wall Street, the media, the Democrats and most Republicans, U.S. multinational corporations, big Tech, big Ag, big Pharma (you name it) do NOT want to see neoliberalism/globalism end, so they’ve stirred up a little (ha!) race war in order to try to win the election for their team (just like they did back in the days of cotton).

    That’s why they’ve placed their bets on Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. These two proven prostitutes will do whatever the neoliberals/globalists want them to do.

    Ordinary Blacks and ordinary Whites are being used AGAIN! Don’t let them do this!

    Thanks for the good article.

    • Agree: ltravail, Kali, JamesinNM
  4. Angharad says:

    Thank you for this article. This contains very useful information. A few comments though;

    1) JEWS ARE NOT WHITE.

    JEWS ARE NOT WHITE

    JEWS ARE NOT WHITE.

    2) I am TRULY sorry that thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of White men, through the ages, have allowed jews to run them like idiotic, self-destructive puppets. So many Whites, including and ESPECIALLY the demented, idiotic Evangelitards, all over the South, do not worship God. They worship Jews. The Jews that LOATHE them. I am dismayed that so many of my White Race are complete ELOI. Pathetic Schmoos.

    3) Judah Benjamin was not “exiled”. When the Confederacy collapsed, he took all the loot that he could grab, scampered off to his co-Tribesman in England, who were already busily Nation Wrecking England, and was set up in cozy gigs by his co-ethnics. He left the stooge Jeff Davis literally holding the empty bag, and serve as the fall guy. And millions of White Southerners still blame the dreaded “Yanqius” for their destruction, instead of the jews behind it all.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Tom Verso
    , @SpilledMilk
  5. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Where a suit arises between an Israelite and a heathen, if you can justify the former according to the laws of Israel, justify him and say: ‘This is our law’; so also if you can justify him by the laws of the heathens justify him and say [to the other party:] ‘This is your law’; but if this can not be done, we use subterfuges to circumvent him.

    http://www.come-and-hear.com/babakamma/babakamma_113.html

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  6. Tom Verso says:
    @Angharad

    Jews ARE White
    Jews ARE White
    Jews ARE White

    If they are not of the White race than what race are they? They are not Black, they are not Yellow.

    …….

    Jews are White, but they are not White European Aryans whose history and culture began 4000 years ago in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe (roughly present day Ukraine) and evolved in Europe and North America.

    Jews are White, but they are Middle Eastern Semites whose history and culture began 4000 years ago in the Tigris–Euphrates and Nile River Valleys and evolved in the Middle East.

    European Aryans and Middle Eastern Semites are of the same race …White.

    The difference between Aryans and Semites is not race. The difference is history and culture, which in turn are a products of the respective geo-ecological environments in which they evolved.

    America today is a tripart society divided between White European Aryans, White Middle Eastern Semites and Black Sub-Sahara Africans. All three have thousands of years of profoundly different evolutionary cultural history and hundreds of years of trying to unify into a homogeneous society with some modicum of cultural unity.

    Seemingly, in America, this a failing experiment in cultural unification.

  7. Tom Verso says:

    If I may I will repost my comment to the last NOI article 7/19/20
    “Hold On, DeSean: Jews Sold Black Slaves in Philadelphia!”

    NOI in at least three articles on this site is not giving the complete picture of Nation of Islam teaching per Mister Farrakhan.

    While Mister Farrakhan certainly is not lite on the exploitation, suffering and injustices of African Americans, he was committed to teaching his people to rise themselves up.

    I think this aspect of his teaching is completely ignored and to my mind it is the most important aspect of what he teaches. Accordingly, I post again:

    ……

    Minister Farrakhan … More, Much More to this heir of Marcus Garvey

    Years ago when I was teaching a 100% African American student body and neighborhood, I went to great lengths to understand and embrace African American culture.

    For example, I became a basketball fan because the sport was so intricate to the culture and provided a basis for dialogue and joking.

    Also, every Saturday, the local NOI Minister would schedule an hour on the public television station to play Minster Farrakhan taped speeches. I listened every Saturday; again to understand a culture that was so different from my Southern Italian American.

    What always interests me, in the light of the Farrakhan speeches; whenever there is an article by the NOI, its theme, like this one and last week’s, is the history of African American suffering. But, never do I read anything by NOI writers about what was the essence of Minister Farrakhan’s weekly preaching and admonitions to his people.

    He relentlessly admonished them to ‘mend their misbegotten ways’ (my paraphrase); but I quote him:

    “Get off of Drugs”,

    “Get off of Welfare”,

    “Women stop wearing ‘tongs’ and dress modestly”,

    “Men stop calling women bitches, respect them and take responsibility for your children”,

    “Buy products from Black merchants’, etc.

    Week after week I heard him speak at various places and venues; but always these quotes were the essence of his social ‘teaching’.

    This is not to say he did not speak eloquently and passionately about African American suffering and exploitation. He would literally shake when he referred to the “Middle Passage”.

    But, he did not limit himself to negative complaining or begging for help from White folks in the form of more and more handouts. I never heard him mention reparations. Rather, his admonition to his people: lift yourself up; don’t beg White folks to lift you up.

    In the tradition of Marcs Garvey, Minster Farrakhan says:

    “Up you might Mighty Race!

    Interestingly, all the volumes of NOI publications and comments about NOI I read are invariably negative inter-racial persecution themes, and never about the very positive intra-race social teachings of Minister Farrakhan.
    ……

    Regarding the Jewish relations:

    At the same time I was doing my Cultural Anthropologic trip into African Americana; consistent with that ‘study’, I watch the Congressional hearings on NOI security contracts with Baltimore housing projects.

    Surprise! It was the Jews who were leading the charge to take the HUD contracts away from NOI.
    Sadly, the only defense that congressional careerist like Maxine Waters et al could mount against the Jewish lawyers and ‘scholars’ were pathetic clichés.

    NOI standing alone against the Jewish onslaught got no help from what I judge (pardon my expression) “Uncle Toms”. NOI lost the HUD contract and Maxine et al lament anti-Semitism.
    Go Figure?

  8. jews are not white, do not side with whites, and are almost always viciously anti-white.

    jewish DNA is not white. Ashkenazi have some white admixture but so does Obama.

    The idiocy of claiming jews are white astounds me. There is no basis for such an absurd claim.

    jews are “fellow whites” when they are ranting about the evils of the white race.

    If jews are white then why do they spend every waking moment engineering countless ways to fuck white people over?

    The article is interesting but has no relevance to what is happening today…..jews not only side with blacks against whites, but jews deliberately incite the delinquent buckwheats to murder white people.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Truth
  9. Jews are white? If that’s the case then how come Jews hate whites?

    Okay okay….Talmudic Jews and Jewish Supremacists hate whites, and maybe even non-Talmudic and non-Jewish Supremacist Jews as well. When Noahide comes around we’ll see.

  10. geokat62 says:

    White Supremacist Jews & the Ku Klux Klan

    Almost there. The author should have selected the more accurate title, Supremacist Jews & the Ku Klux Klan

    … as Jewish people do not self-identify as white:

    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @ivan
  11. mkr says:

    Nick Cannon did exactly what the white jews wanted him to do, he proclaimed that the white jews were the real jews and not the black jews. That’s what they wanted. Of course no one knows the truth about what race of people the jews from the bible actually were, it’s all beliefs and no truth. Cannon went on and on about how the white jews taught him about their “5,000 year history” and how he made a mistake by thinking that he was elevating black people with his antiwhite and antiwhitejew venom when in reality he was “hurting a whole community” (the white jews). There you go, he affirmed that the white jews are the hebrews and not the black jews; did you think they wanted anything else from someone who believes what the black hebrew israelites believe; Cannon laid waste to the black hebrew ideology for his white jewish masters. Someone ought to tell that kid that he is man and not a boy and to grow up and honor the truth and not beliefs, if you’re going to be a hebrew be a hebrew, if a muslim be a muslim, if a christian be a christian, but know this, two out of three of your religions are completely false, for you each contradict and condemn one another which means that at least two out of the three of you are completely false and worship falsehood, so what of the third religion that may be true, well you’re in the same lot as the other two, falsehood, even if you do end up being true (which is only provable by the mouth of a supernatural being and no way else) you are false also because you condemned the innocent on beliefs alone, there is no truth in you or your evil god.

    Good luck with your evil god, whom can’t stand the light of day nor dispense justice in the presence of children and the innocent without the children and the innocent being repulsed. Some god you got there, whom isn’t even close to the righteousness of righteous human being.

  12. thordaddy says:

    The jew qua jew is anti-white Supremacy.

  13. This is a Charles Manson vision that was stolen by Weather Underground terrorists Susan Rosenburg, Bill Ayres, and others attempting to use blacks to do their dirty work for them, to empower themselves, which was Charles Manson and his Manson communist plot to overthrow the government. Susan Rosenburg Weather Underground convicted terrorist takes donations in Thousand Currents for BLMGN funneled through Act Blue and a Delaware address, even though Thousand Currents is in California.

    Slaves again! There are shares of BLMGN that receive millions of dollars of corporate donations. I wonder how many of the looters are receiving their fair share of the corporate donations.

    Legends.

    Julian Assange is in prison for telling the truth 2020 years later.

    The legend is always larger than life, which makes these Marxist, Hitler, Manson revival movements a steroidal version of the original.

  14. @Tom Verso

    Well said and thanks for the detailed articulation.

    I find the pervasive internet meme that Jews aren’t white to be annoying. How it’s so confusing to some is beyond me. CLEARLY, they are not, to use original terms, Mongoloid or Negroid. So, that leaves…..hello?

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @anon
  15. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wyatt

    Sephardim are genetic jews. Ashkenazis…Not. More like usurping chameleons that like their Khazar forebears will do anything for power. At least until the Khan destroyed their empire after biting off more than they could chew (or jew). One must imagine that a conflict with China will be Genghis 2.0.
    Xi vs Bibi… The odds are?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @anon
  16. uradel666 says:
    @Tom Verso

    JEWS ARE NOT WHITE!!!!

    Genetically, they do NOT constitute the RACE. Know why? Coz they do not human being!!! They are Jews… Iam not kidding.

    They try and explore this question. They want to design their own Race. But still not successfull.

    You have a white skin (physical appearance ) mixed with Race , Culture and Humanity as a whole…
    Eskimos do have a white skin but they are NOT white people. Russians do have a whitish skin (in color) but they are still NOT Whites

    Go to College and have a fun!

    • Replies: @Tony
  17. Thank you for the pictures of some lynchings from a long time ago, but I’ve seen them. I wish I could post pictures of what blacks did to Chanon Christian and Chris Newsom a few years ago. Or maybe a picture from a few days ago of the five-year-old White boy who got his brains blown out in front of his sisters, by a darky. Yes, if only we Whites had our own set of pictures, we could publish volumes of books with pictures on every page, only they’d be too sickening to look at.

    • Replies: @Emily
    , @europeasant
  18. Frankie P says:

    No, get a clue. Jews are Jewish Supremacists. They treat blacks the way they treat the rest of the goyim. Your best strategy moving forward would be to band together with other goys who are willing to fight the Jewish Supremacists. Many other groups of goyim are better equipped to plan the fight, with more numbers, intelligence and resources. Stop focusing on so-called White Supremacists. Follow the advice of Louis F. and live better lives. Stop the rampant crime perpetrated by your people against your people (and others) in your neighborhoods and cities. Take responsibility for your sons and raise them to be men who will take care of their sons, daughters and wives and be productive members of society. Stop accepting the handouts that the government, especially the Democratic party machine, has used to keep you on a modern day plantation.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  19. @Tom Verso.

    Absolutely agree. Instead of blaming whites for all their issues, NOI focused on self belief and respect, knowing this is what is needed to change what is a highly negative and counterproductive culture. Black are self hating without realising it by calling themselves N**ers and Ho’s etc.

    At the root of it is a culture of dependancy on whites because they are brainwashed into thinking its only white people changing and the old adage of Institutional Racism, that will change the fortunes of the black race. It is they themselves that have to change.

    Interesting the number of jewish music managers. I can’t think of anything more detrimental that reinforces negative images and stereotypes for the black race than gangster rap or trap music. Trap music is named after ‘Trapping’ or the ‘Trap-house’ the process of selling and the location where drugs are sold in the hood. ‘Thug Culture’ and graphic music videos associate sex, money, success with violence, guns and criminal acts to a young and impressionable black audience. Entertainment it may be and both black and white consume, yet black males are committing crime at a staggering rate compared to whites and asians, so I don’t think its providing the most productive role models to fatherless black kids in crime riddled ghetto’s.

    In many ways it is the ultimate tool in suppressing and stunting development via negative stereotype reinforcement and has the advantage of being viewed as authentically ‘black’ by black and white alike. A very useful tool for Jewish subterfuge and manipulation. Like I said, interesting the majority of mangers and industry influencers were Jewish.

    I can’t think of a single Jewish Rapper…

    • Replies: @Tlotsi
  20. gotmituns says:

    Of course the noi is right, but I make no commoncause with blacks on anything.

  21. Angharad says:
    @Tom Verso

    Jews are Asiatic mongrels. They’ve picked up a lot of Other People’s DNA, in their gypsies’ tour othe world – but they are NOT White. The GENETICS a very different. Jews have 4x the GENETIC issues that other races have, a large percentage of which result in lunacy and cretinism. If you have RACE SPECIFIC genetic issues – you are a distinct race. And CULTURE is the manifestation OF genetics – not the other way ’round.

    No one is trying to “unify” anything; Jews have crated the social mores that result in uther social chaos. They thrive in chaos.

    • Agree: Malla
  22. @Tom Verso

    Wrong. I pressed Agree because I agree that Jews ARE Whites. Most are. Obviously Ashkenazim are.

    But they are NOT Middle Eastern Semites.

    Hebrews are Semites. Arameans are Semites but now call themselves Arabs. And Arabs are Semites.

    But the Hebrews of today are not Jews. They are the Palestinians.

    The Jews who are Whites, and most are, pretend to be descendants of the ancient Hebrews and have grabbed their language, but are not. Don’t be fooled by their fake DNA tests.

    Look for images of early Greek ikons of baby Jesus in his mother Mary’s arms. In most, early, the two are dark skinned.

    It’s true that “antisemitism” is made to relate to Jews but that is Jewish deception. Antisemitism in that sense is NOT racism. The Jews are not a race, though their privileged place in society arises from their pretence that they are.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Tom Verso
  23. Spoils says:

    >Moans about the Times not capitalising Negro.
    >Capitalises black but not white.

  24. @Tom Verso

    Ashkenazi Jews as a race began-and I’m sure Jews would agree here-with intermarriage between the Jewish diaspora and local Italian women.

    Genetic DNA tests clearly prove that Ashkenazi Jews are roughly 50 percent Italian, as a result of local Roman women converting.

    Since everyone on earth knows this, why not just say they are a combination of Levant Mediterranean and Southern European?

    Some of them have lesser degrees of Slavic in them and I think this is particularly true in Hungary.

    • Agree: Franklin Ryckaert
    • Replies: @Emily
    , @Ann Nonny Mouse
  25. gotmituns says:
    @geokat62

    as Jewish people do not self-identify as white:
    ————————————————–
    I don’t give a rat’s butt what they self-identify as. They’re all a bunch of shitbirds to me.

  26. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    I find these NOI articles very interesting–and revealing, as I probably would have never seen them if it weren’t for the UNZ Review. It feels like this is the only place left in America where you can even have an open discussion on these topics.

  27. Emily says:

    Nothing exceeds their plunder and murder of the Russian people.
    Still at it today.
    The Bolsheviks were almost 100% Jew – they were financed by Jewish bankers from the USA and Europe.
    Communisn is a jewish construct – for world domination.
    When that failed we got their globalism – same outcome.
    Jewish plunder, control and domination.
    They enslaved, murdered, tortured and plundered the christian Russians, set up the gulags, for 70 years.
    They murdered – some say as many as 100,000,000 christian Russians, the figure of 60,000,000 is never challenged.
    Even to the last they plundered the country.
    The USA as good as placed Yeltsin as leader – some say a jew himself – but even if he wasn’t, he allowed the jewish plunder – still ongoing plunder – to the tune of now trillions – of the resources of Russia and its people.
    A black may cut your throat.
    A jew ill steal everything you have, the clothes on your back if worth having, and then cut your throat.

    • Replies: @Truth
  28. Emily says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The origin of the ashkenazi is Khazaria.
    They are Khazars.
    From the Caucasus region of Southern Russia.
    When Khazaria fell, many moved down into Eastern Europe and then into the west.
    They have been reviled through history for what they were and still are.

  29. @Jeff Stryker

    Don’t believe what Jewish DNA tests “clearly prove”. Make doubly sure the tests are double-blind, carried out on samples who origins are unknown to the non-Jewish geneticist who does the work, in a laboratory whose chief is not a Jew, and make sure the work is not financed by a Jewish research grant. And that there is not coordinated work across several labs in several countries being published.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  30. Akouo says:

    “Lying is your mother tongue.”

    —Jesus to the Jews

    We will keep on losing if you keep on perpetuating this basic lie at the very beggining of your article.
    The jews are NOT the Hebrews of the Bible. Jesus never spoke to them because they come from the Black sea region of southern Russia. Jesus spoke to the Judahites or Hebrews who had converted to pharisaic rabbinism, a cult from Babylon that the jews also converted to hundreds of years after Christ. The talmud is NOT thousands of years old. It was written in the ‘middle ages’ in eastern Europe, the beliefs and superstitions in it are, unfortunately, timeless.

  31. Emily says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Yep,
    Indeed Cannon Hinnant
    A five year old beautiful boy playing with his sisters and executed mafia style by a bullet through his head by a criminal next door black neighbour.
    Take a look.
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-for-cannon?utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_more
    But only Fox of all the MSM has covered the story, censored out by the rest.
    In the USA children’s lives do not matter when they are murdered by blacks.
    And look at the donors.
    Less then 20,000 people – out of 350,000,000 – in the course of 4 days have donated even a dollar.
    As you will also see, the story has been widely shared – no excuse.
    The same 350,000,000 who donated mega millions to the crime family of the drug riddled Criminal recently.
    Mostly white people – who don’t have the same serotonin seeking virtue signalling when it comes to innocent white children, little more than babies, and their devastated families.
    Rot right through that society today and mainly women I regret to say.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
    • Replies: @Truth
  32. antibeast says:
    @Tom Verso

    Jews are White, but they are not White European Aryans whose history and culture began 4000 years ago in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe (roughly present day Ukraine) and evolved in Europe and North America. Jews are White, but they are Middle Eastern Semites whose history and culture began 4000 years ago in the Tigris–Euphrates and Nile River Valleys and evolved in the Middle East. European Aryans and Middle Eastern Semites are of the same race …White.

    White Europeans are not Aryans. The only people who can claim to be descendants of Aryans are Iranians who are an Asian Caucasoid people but they’re not White Europeans. Northern Europeans have high admixture of Indo-European nomadic pastoralists who migrated West from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe but Iranians do not. That’s because the Indo-European nomadic pastoralists who migrated East from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe had settled in Central Asia to become Indo-Iranian sedentary agriculturalists who then admixed with native Iranian farmers in the BMAC region. The Indo-Iranians who originated from this BMAC region then migrated West to the Iranian Media and Persis regions, intermixing further with the native Iranians there and started calling themselves Aryans. Here’s a video explaining why:

    Jews belong to all kinds of races/ethnicities: Ashkenazim (Western European), Khazarian (Eastern European), Ethiopian (African), Shepardim (Iberian), Mizharim (Middle East), etc. Only the European Jews can be considered White but not the rest.

    Semites refer to speakers of Semitic languages in the Middle East and North Africa which could be of any race today. After the Arab conquests, the original Semitic-speaking Caucasoid peoples in the Middle East and North Africa became racially mixed with sub-Saharan Blacks due to the black African slave trade. They are not White Europeans either.

  33. @Robert Dolan

    For Blacks Jews are Whites, and very “privileged” Whites to boot. This article was written from a black perspective.

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Replies: @Z-man
  34. Ugetit says:
    @Frankie P

    They treat blacks the way they treat the rest of the goyim.

    Yup. You, indeed, get it.

    So far, you are the only one to mention the key word, “goyim.”

  35. Tlotsi says:
    @rainmansmac

    >I can’t think of a single Jewish Rapper…

    Not even the Beastie Boys?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  36. Franz says:
    @antibeast

    White Europeans are not Aryans.

    True indeed. And good luck trying to convince anybody on that.

    I’ve been trying for years to stop the baloney of using “white” or “Caucasian” or even (may the gods help us) “Aryan” when it is the term European Derived they’re looking for.

    Europe absorbed very little from the original Aryans. White is just a convenience word. Caucasian is the deadliest word of all, because most of Europe’s traditional enemies are Caucasian: The North African Berbers who scouted and established a beachhead for the Moorish raids into Spain, for example. And of course, Middle Easterners and especially the old Ottoman Empire, currently retooling, are Caucasian.

    If it’s the culture, lore, language and reality of European man you want to preserve and protect, dammit, say so. Aryan’s won’t help us, and appropriating anything of theirs just wastes more energy.

    ——

    NOI as always — Informative, admirable mix of outrage and solid fact that makes them a fine outfit for a specific ethnicity. European people need the same. Except unlike blacks, the media, universities and security agencies that run the USA ain’t ever going to be on our side.

  37. Polemos says:
    @Tom Verso

    America today is a tripart society divided between White European Aryans, White Middle Eastern Semites and Black Sub-Sahara Africans.

    How do you categorize Hispanic or Mesoamerican people?

    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  38. Malla says:
    @Franz

    The term Caucasian comes from Noah’s ark landing in Mount Ararat, in the Caucasus mountains.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  39. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Great Video. However it were the Muslim Arabs who found out similarities in between Persians ans Vikings. Blame them.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    Moslems classified the Vikings as Majūs or “heathen Zoroastrians,” since they thought them to be very much like Zoroastrians of pre Islamic Iran/Persia.

    Majūs, plural majūsī, from Greek Mágos μάγος, Latin Magus, is a term that goes back to the Avestan magá, referring to the Zoroastrian shaman warriors.

    In almost all moslem accounts, reference to the Vikings starts with the phrase: “al-Majus (Vikings/Zoroastrians) – May God curse them!” Moslem envoys referred to the Viking chiefs/kings as malik al-majūs, and to the Viking lands as bilād al-majūs.

    Regarding Christianized Vikings, Moslem accounts state: Norse men were Majusi “Zoroastrian heathens,” but they now follow the Christian faith dīn al-naṣranīya, and have given up fire-worship and their previous religion, except for the people of a few scattered islands of theirs in the sea, where they keep to their old Majusi (Zoroastrian) faith.

    Moslem accounts to the Vikings include Al-Ghazal’s (8th – 9th Century, Al-Andalus) entitled “embassy mission to the Vikings,” originated within Al-Muqtabis fi tarikh al-Andalus of Ibn Hayyan (The collected knowledge on the history of Al-Andalus.)

    The most extensive account on the Vikings by Moslems is that written by Ibn Fadlan (10th Century, Baghdad.)

    The notion that the Moslem classification of the Vikings as Majusi “Pagan Zoroastrians,” was simply a case of mistaken identity is highly unlikely. Majus as Zoroastrians appears many times in hadith (words ascribed to Mohammad,) and once in Quran 22.17. In fact, moslem use of the designation Majus in the new context of the Norse people, proves that they were very conscious/aware of the meaning of the term.

  40. Malla says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    But the behaviour of Ashkenazis and of pre-Christ Jews are very similar. Very similar in manners and racial tendencies. Did the religion have such an effect on their mind?
    Or maybe semitic Jews migrated to Khazaria and intermarry with the Khazars.

    • Replies: @Truth
  41. KenH says:

    Frank advocated that Blacks be barred from giving testimony in court because, as Frank’s lawyer said, “If you put a nigger in a hopper he’ll drip lies.”

    But the “white supremacists” in Georgia did just that and put black man Jim Conley on the stand to testify against Leo Frank. Not only that but an all white jury that included 2-3 Jews (if I’m not mistaken) accepted Conley’s testimony over that of respected “white” man Leo Frank.

    Some pro-white commentators make a compelling case that the hanging of Leo Frank by white vigilantes caused a permanent schism between Jews living in the South and Southern white gentiles. This led to the creation of the ADL, nationwide Jewish antagonism towards Southern white gentiles and their support for so called civil rights, ending Jim Crow and the over the top hatred and propaganda directed at white Southerners and the South in general by Jewish Hollywood that persists to this day.

    I don’t see why the NOI thinks it’s such a big deal to point out some of the connections between individual Jews and the KKK one hundred years ago. The Jews switched sides right after WWII if not before and now wholeheartedly support black insurgencies against heritage (white) America and even lead from behind the scenes violent black supremacist groups like BLM.

    So this article doesn’t proves that Jews are secret white supremacists. It proves that Jews are chameleons and fair weather fans who will support whichever side is perceived as being good for the Jews and their nefarious agenda. And the American black population is being skillfully manipulated, agitated and used by Jews against the brainwashed white population who still has no clue they have been marked for physical destruction.

    • Agree: Ivan
  42. usNthem says:

    The problem with various no account joggers making anti semetic remarks or calypso louie and his boys railing against “big nose” is no one really cares. Well, maybe a few jews do, but until Whites in power start calling them out and begin the process of removing them from all seats of power, nothing will change and this former country will continue its decent into hell.

  43. bob jones says:
    @Thomasina

    whites were never FEARFUL of blacks, you cuck.

    whites do not like black behavior- nobody does.

    natural, unrestrained black behavior leads to chaos and destruction.

    stop using emotionalized, woman language, like characterizing a rational dislike or aversion to something as “fear,” as if it is somehow a stupid, silly reaction.

    there were and remain very good reasons for segregation.

    • Agree: europeasant
  44. chuckywiz says:

    My late brother who once worked as a Manager in Arby’s restaurants in NYC back in 1980s once told me that he was instructed not hire any blacks. Before this revelation I had eaten only once in Arby’s franchise. After that, never.

    Oprah, Eric Holder, Collin Powell, Al Sharp tongue…… etc . are you reading it?

    • Replies: @usNthem
    , @Mefobills
  45. bob jones says:
    @Tom Verso

    are you fkin stoned?

    the USA is comprised of probably 25% hispanics now. the “two races, black and white” where EVERYTHING is always viewed in this one lense is a jewish false dilemma.

    also 4% east asians and who knows how many indo-aryans.

    jews are arabic, a separate race from whites at this point.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  46. It is interesting that the author mentions India in the black slavery scheme of Jews… a Hindoo (he is from Poonjab) told me that the Jew is foisting all those Black Dravidians on White America, to atone for his sins for evil doings, including Sundar Pichai/Google, Satya Nadella/Microsoft, Dhivya Suryadevara/Stripe, Mindy Kaling/Hollywood, Padma Laxmi/Fashion, Nina Davuluri/Miss America etc but to top it all off, they are pushing the half African and half Dravidian Kamala (mammy) Harris to become the next vice president, only a step away from the presidency.

    • LOL: Ivan
    • Replies: @Malla
  47. trickster says:

    Chinese exploiting blacks!
    East Indians exploiting blacks!
    Eskimos exploiting blacks !
    Samoans exploiting blacks !
    JEWS exploiting blacks of all the dastardly things to do to their poor perpetual victims. Tch Tch. This is really shocking.

    Blacks exploiting blacks ? This never happens I can assure you.

    Guys like Presidents Zuma, Mugable, Sese Seko and Dos Santos of Angola for example live very modest lives living under plastic sheets, eating one meal a week usually millie meal with some warm water and ride bicycles not Rolls as is portrayed in sleazy propaganda. And they dont have their own private jets flying off on shopping trips to Europe or their Swiss estates as the media would have you believe.

    In addition, I will have Unz readers know that Farrakhan does not live in a multi million dollar mansion, wear $5,000 suits, $400 silk ties, $1000 shoes and designer glasses and wine and dine in style while his flock live in penury stumping up a few dollars from their minimum wage salaries to support the Ministry. His close family members also live in the projects just like 99% of his followers. He looks corpulent and well fed because he is made up before his shows.

    And sports stars who sell their Chinese made sneakers costing $28 including shipping in the ghetto at $1,000 a pop where residents ron and kill to get the money to buy these shiny trinkets. Rappers who sell their designer jeans, machine washed and ripped for $800 ! These fellow give back to the ghetto dollar for dollar.

    The poor black man. Everyone touts he is exploited and abused but it is all untrue. And on the other side of the coin dont believe all that rubbish about the white man funding housing, food and welfare for the black man.

    Its all vile propaganda, fake news …………..a pack of lies !

    • Replies: @Ivan
  48. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Real World

    you ever saw two totally Black people..man and wife make white children?

    go find a good look at that. its there on the net!

    make Mongoloid as well..and Dravidian. of course with Dravidian that ain’t no thing. they remain Black as they are

    by science race is not a fact but a contrivance. he said in serious jest the equivalent of.. look at all the people running around the world..all niggers they are dressed up in rainbow skin tones… and they don’t know

    funny but true!

    • Replies: @The Real World
  49. Truth says:
    @Thomasina

    Camacho and Gropey Joe are both Crypto-Khazars. No difference.

  50. Truth says:
    @Emily

    Sure. If it really happened. How do you know that this was not a fake, scripted event? How do you know these people ever existed?

    • Troll: usNthem
    • Replies: @Emily
  51. Bert says:

    All the comments about the correct racial classification of Jews miss the point. Jews have been historically made up of several geographically separate largely endogamous groups: Sephardim in Iberia, Ashkenazi in central and eastern Europe, Mizrahim in the North African and Middle Eastern countries that suffered Arab conquest.

    The Jews that have caused the loss of European lives and culture are the Ashkenazim. Genetic analyses show that the Ashkenazim originated in northern Italy during the late Roman Empire, from there colonized the Rhine Valley, and then expanded eastward into Slavic countries. (Elhaik et. al. dispute this origin, and instead point to the Ashkenazim origin in Anatolia, i.e. the Khazarian Hypothesis.)

    The Ashkenazim are unique among Jews in that in Slavic lands they practiced particularly exploitative “professions” such as tax farming, estate management, tavern keeping, commodity trading (cattle, hides, timber), and especially money lending for a thousand years. Forty generations in those economic activities selected (yes, natural selection in human beings) for intelligence and negative xenophobia. That such selection actually occurred is circumstantially supported by the fact that the Ashkenazi population grew many times faster than the Slavic population between 1000 A.D. and 1940 A.D. Higher IQ and a propensity for hostility to their host population drove the money flow that allowed larger families, and hence the population expansion of the Ashkenazi. (Sephardim were similarly the tools of Iberian Arabs and Moors for control and exploitation of native Iberians, but their tenancy was shorter and their control of the host population’s peasants was less intense.)

    If you want a powerful meme for saving Western Civilization, the one above is much more likely to be useful than blather about Khazars. Point of origin is irrelevant. It is the psychological traits selected for while exploiting Slavs that matter because they are what European peoples confront today.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Malla
  52. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tlotsi

    Drake is Jewish.

  53. Jaime says:

    Less than 2500 blacks have been hanged in US history. Not 5000 massacred as the article wrongly suggests. Most of the 2500 were arsonists, robbers, rapists and criminals.

    The kkk has a bad wrap because it was an organized white “Neighborhood Watch” long before there were phones and a 911 to call for help, for remote white farmers (think South Africa) being victimized by roving black gangs after the civil war reconstruction. It later became infiltrated with Feds to push diversity and integration onto whites. It’s now a bad parody of itself.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  54. Jaime says:
    @antibeast

    Iranians are Aryans 😂😂😂😂😂

  55. Z-man says:
    @Tom Verso

    Jews have bought their way into the European races for millennia’s. First the Greeks, then the Romans/Italians, then the Slavs and finally the Germans and Anglos. This infestation has made the white races suicidal. Only the second coming of our Lord Jesus, the Galilean and Son of God, will fix this. Until then, shun the Jew and his ideology as best you can.

    • Replies: @Philosophia
  56. Z-man says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Blacks are stupid and inferior as most of them don’t see that Jews are their real enemy. I salute the Black Muslims who do see.

    • Agree: Bert
    • Replies: @Tor597
  57. anarchyst says:

    The Nation of Islam bookstore has a wide variety of eye-opening books that are not available anywhere else on the internet because of jewish censorship.
    In my humble opinion, one of the most important sets of books is “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews”. This three-volume set is an excellent historical summation of the abuses that blacks (and the rest of us goyim) have suffered due to the underhanded, dishonest practices of the jews. This set is highly recommended and is available from the NOI bookstore.
    I also ordered a copy of the Qur’an and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the binding, the archival paper and gold edging. Not only is it an excellent historical tome, it is very modestly priced for the quality and beauty of the binding and workmanship.
    I would not hesitate to order other publications from the NOI. It is truly a worthwhile organization. Although geared primarily towards black self-sufficiency and honorable behavior, all races could learn a lot from the NOI.
    There should be white organizations geared toward the improvement of the white (non-jewish) race equivalent to the NOI. Of course, the jews would never stand for that.
    Kudos to the NOI for speaking truth to power. One does not have to agree with all of the principles of any organization in order to commend it for its successes.

    • Replies: @KenH
  58. Mefobills says:
    @Franz

    You may find Michael Bradley interesting.

    He is a half jew anthropologist who has had his works banned by jewish publishers. They are banned in the usual way, by ignoring, defaming when necessary, and then removal.

    What really triggered our Jewish friends is when Bradley pointed out high Neanderthalic component in Jewish DNA, and then overlaid thall physical traits (jewish physiognomy) and mental traits.

    The mental traits of Jews are what interest me the most. What came first the chicken or the egg? Are Jews made the way they are by talmudic environment and hence epigenetics, or did evolutionary genetics come first.

    There is still some easy presence for Bradley on the net, but mostly you have to search out and buy hard copies while they still exist. Bradely is in the racial “genetics” camp, with the high percentage of Neanderthal DNA being his focus.

    Me..I’m wondering about epigenetics and possibly Sheldrakes field theories. Is Jewish predatory behavior created? Whatever the causal factors, Europeans tend toward high trust even toward out groups, while Jews operate as predators with low trust toward out-groups.

    http://www.michaelbradley.info/tjv/appendix4.pdf

    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Franz
    , @GeeBee
  59. KenH says:
    @anarchyst

    There should be white organizations geared toward the improvement of the white (non-jewish) race equivalent to the NOI.

    The old William Pierce led National Alliance was that organization and it was rapidly growing until his untimely passing in 2002 which blunted the momentum it was building. Then it devolved into infighting, mismanagement and splinter groups much like the NOI will whenever Louis Farrakhan passes.

  60. Tom Verso says:
    @Polemos

    How do you categorize Hispanic or Mesoamerican people?

    To my mind:

    Hispanic, as the name implies, the language spoken, Christian heritage, etc., is a Euro (Spanish)-American culture (aka White in the parlance of the present discussion).

    I am reluctant to say much about Mesoamericans in that I am almost totally ignorant about the history and heritage of the people.

    However, the name suggests and what little I know about their history suggests that they are a mix of Spanish and indigenous Central and South Americans.

    Further, and more to the point of my comment #6, I see little evidence that Hispanic-Americans have a profound clash with other Euro-Americans. There are of course difference and competition but this is consistent with the whole of history of European people.

    Also, I could be wrong but I don’t see Mesoamericans as being in a profound conflict with other ethic groups (Black, Jews, Euro-Americans). Which again is not to say that there are no differences.

    The definitive cultural clash in American today is between African-American, Euro-Americans and Jews. This clash is about which culture is going to be the dominant culture in America.

    Currently, I think Euro-American is losing the conflict. The destruction of the statues that represent our history is a profound symbolic indicator.

    But the “The Fat lady has not sung” and “It ain’t over till it’s over and it ain’t over yet.

  61. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Fantastic article full of the one thing Zionist Jews hate..the TRUTH.

    If you want a simple definition of ‘hate speech,’ that is anything the Jew doesn’t want you to see or hear, like this wonderful piece.

    Nick Cannon ventured into speaking truth and got his testicles scalded, so he backed down and is now singing the praises of his Masters.

    Just like the pathetic Democrats, who picked Kamal Harris as VP, who’s descended from slave owners and BLM isn’t saying anything, because their cause is phony and all they want is some free stuff.

    Since BLM isn’t protesting that Biden chose Harris, descendant from slave owners, does this mean no reps & no more riots?

    Even Kamala the Horrible father admits his family were slavers:

    My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town) and to my maternal grandmother Miss Iris (née Iris Finegan, farmer and educator, from Aenon Town and Inverness, ancestry unknown to me).

    https://greatgameindia.com/kamala-harris-slave-owner/

    Ice Cube USED to call out Jews for being a major player in the slave trade, but not anymore, in fact, he even talks about how anti-Semitism affects Jews.

    Yes, Cube has sold out to get not 30 pieces of silver, but probably was promised an NFL or NBA franchise if he be a good Goy Toy.

    BLM won’t talk about racism in the three major pro-sports leagues, NFL, NBA & MLB who have only allowed six POC to be owners in 92 teams, and NO Black NFL team owners, but there is plenty of one type that own a majority of the teams.

    These are the only two owners of color in the NFL

    https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/18/news/nfl-nba-mlb-owners-diversity/index.html

    That article slants the coverage to make it sound like white males are responsible, but Jews have said many times they aren’t white, so why stigmatize whitey?

    Hope Unz.com has a helluva firewall and potent AV software, because this truthful article will bring all sorts of Talmudic Neanderthals out of their caves to attack this site.

    • Replies: @anon
  62. Emily says:
    @Truth

    You are misnamed.
    You clearly don’t know truth when it stares you in the face
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-boy-cannon-hinnant-murder
    How could it be fake on GOfundme – if nothing else.
    They check it out.
    It was posted on there by his grandmother.

    • Replies: @Truth
  63. Berry Gordy said “I never knew any Jews until I had money.”

    William “Smokey” Robinson wrote of the Jewish lawyer who yielded enormous influence over Berry Gordy, Mr. Gordy’s Motown Record Corporation, and top Motown artists individually like Mr. Robinson who in addition to being a star entertainer was also a top executive and Mr. Gordy’s most trusted confidant within Motown RC.

    As genocidally viscous as they are to their out-group “the goyim”, Jews are uniquely elite as the world’s must seductively self-ingratiating ASS KISSERS. Once a goy is positioned for wealth or power, here comes his new best friend the Jew.

    That’s how the Jew always ends up being “the Court Jew.” And the Jews scout out the likely future leaders to get in with them or control them early like the case of funding the cash poor young land baron Churchill, exploiting the vulnerable Woodrow Wilson in the Jeffrey Epstein manner, then of course all the pols Epstein’s ring groomed.

    But other than providing money and plugging a goy prospect into the favoritism that comes with the Jew network, Jews can not aid or enhance goy performance – they lack that creativity, nurturing ability, and noble purpose necessary to genuinely improve others.

    The “Court Jew” ingratiates himself with the powerful leader both 1) to exert Jew influence; and 2) to crowd out non-Jews from influencing the powerful leader so that leader becomes isolated and out of touch with his own people.

    Jared Kushner and Stephen Miller have come at Donald Trump from opposite directions vying for status as Trump’s top court Jew but have combined to succeed at cutting Trump off from his own kind thereby making him oblivious to the interests of his voter base. What new superstar act did Berry Gordy find or develop after the Jews got him to move to California to be among them- he sure had been turning them out with assembly line regularity while operating in his home town.

    As disgustingly nauseating as it is to see it in action, Jew ASS KISSING seems to be particularly effective with black athletes and entertainers.

    But then maybe at heart Trump is foremost an entertainer, too.

  64. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    And as far as similarities in between the languages, Persian and German, it was the Turkish nobleman Evliya Çelebi (Çelebi is similar to ‘Sir’), who had traveled both the Persian and Hapsburg Austro-Hungarian Empires (both the Empires bordering the Ottoman Empires) who found similarities in between the two languages back in 1665. While visiting Vienna in 1665–66, Evliya Çelebi noted peculiar similarities between German and Persian, an early observation of the relationship between what would later be known as two Indo-European languages.

  65. Tor597 says:
    @Thomasina

    Total BS. Quit trying to offload the history of brutal white racism against everyone else onto the Jews.

    Clearly white gentiles work together with Jews to oppress other races, but why blame just the brain and not the hands of the operation?

    Are you saying gentile whites are just soulless mindless zombies that can do no wrong because it was the jews?

  66. Tor597 says:

    I commend NOI research group for this brave article, but why leave out the huge role Anglos played in enslaving and oppressing black people?

    Anglos are the Jews of the white race if you consider Jews to be non white.

    • Troll: usNthem
  67. Malla says:
    @Really No Shit

    Ironically most of them are Brahmins.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
    , @Anon
  68. usNthem says:
    @chuckywiz

    Hmm. That would have the perfect reason to patronize the chain as far as I’m concerned.

  69. Tom Verso says:
    @Tom Verso

    Semitic Aryan conflict in Middle East today

    At the risk of overstaying my welcome, I should like to annotate my comment #6 above about the clash between European Aryans and Middle Eastern Semites in American today with and example from the current Middle East news.

    Specifically: “United Arab Emirates and Israel “agreed to full normalization” of their relations and that they will “establish reciprocal embassies”.

    The various commentators on this “normalization” agree that the “agreement” is just a proforma de jure agreement of the de facto relation that has existed between UAE and other Gulf States such like Saudi Arabia with Israel for a long time.

    What is interesting to me, the agreement is between Semitic Arabs, Semitic Jews and Semitic Jewish dominated America who are all in mortal conflict with Aryan Iran who in turn counts has its ally Aryan Russia who is in mortal conflict with Semtic Jewish dominate America.

  70. @Franz

    … it is the term European Derived they’re looking for.

    Close.

    From the perspective of the Jew, the key ethnic dynamic he sees in whitey, the reason the Jew hates whitey to the extreme beyond his spite for all “the goyim”, is that whitey is the descendant of Christendom, as Europe was once justifiably called.

    All the infinite evil the Jew commits is due to the fact that the story of God Incarnate Jesus is true.

    The Jew hates Jesus for betraying Jewish Supremacy by bringing Salvation and the path to Eternal Life to all of mankind, and not just to the Jews as their ideological leaders, the Pharisees, trained them to expect.

    The Jew has genocidal hatred for the descendants of Christendom and seeks their genocide to eliminate the possibility that Christendom might be rekindled by the spawn of those who built it to the highest level of human achievement ever simply by following the teachings of Jesus, primary of which is Jesus’ mandate of lifelong monogamy through marriage sanctified by Jesus’ divorce prohibition.

  71. Mefobills says:

    The word Iran is cognate to Aryan.

    Persians changed their country name to Iran to signify that they are Aryans.

    https://www.persiansarenotarabs.com/renaming-persia/

    The name Persia is actually a Latin derivation used mainly by Westerners to describe the region roughly equivalent to that of present day Iran. During the reign of the Sassanids it became Eran – meaning “land of the Aryans“.

    In 1935 (Reza Shah Pahlavi) asked foreign delegates to use the term “Iran” instead of “Persia“.

  72. antibeast says:

    Germans: “We wuz Aryanz!”
    Iranians: “No, you are not. We are the Aryans!”

    Here’s the proof:

    https://www.livius.org/sources/content/achaemenid-royal-inscriptions/dna/

    The Persian King Darius the Great (r.521-486) was buried at the Naqš-e Rustam (نقش رستم) necropolis in south-western Iran (Fars province), where he left two inscriptions: DNa and DNb. Here’s a photograph of the DNa inscription:

    Here’s a quote from Darius the Great in the DNa inscription (shown above):

    adam \ Dârayavahuš \ xšâyaθiya \ vazraka \ xšâyaθiya \ xšâyaθiyânâm \ xšâyaθiya \ dahyûnâm \ vispazanânâm \ xšâyaθiya \ ahyâyâ \ bûmiyâ \ vazrakâyâ \ dûraiapiy \ Vištâspahyâ \ puça \ Haxâmanišiya \ Pârsa \ Pârsahyâ \ puça \ Ariya \ Ariya \ ciça

    I am Darius the great king, king of kings, king of countries containing all kinds of men, king in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenid, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage.

    Here’s a video explaining why Iranians are Aryans:

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  73. Socrates says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    How Jews bought the justice system in the USA and elsewhere.

    We all know that Judges are being elected in USA.

    So, a Jew lawyer practicing Law in the area of the newly elected Judge, rents a luxury hotel hall, gathers few other Jew layers of the area with their families and friends, possible invites some rich clients of theirs or businessmen and through a party to celebrate the win of the newly elected Judge. The Judge is invited too, along with his family and friends.
    Now somewhere in the party there is a sealed box where all the invited people leave in an envelope their wishes along with their monetary donation for the winner.
    At the end of the event the judge goes home along with say, 60-70 thousand dollars (possible more) plus THE NAMES OF THE LAWYERS participating in the event.

    Now, I am asking anyone who reads this comment.
    You go to the court in-front of this Judge along with your lawyer, for ANY case.
    WHO is going to win the case?
    You?
    or the opposition with the Jew lawyer who was at the Judges party?

  74. @Akouo

    Jesus spoke to the Judahites or Hebrews who had converted to pharisaic rabbinism, a cult from Babylon that the jews also converted to hundreds of years after Christ. The talmud is NOT thousands of years old. It was written in the ‘middle ages’ in eastern Europe, the beliefs and superstitions in it are, unfortunately, timeless.

    Correct that the Talmud is the written memorialization of the oral tradition spread by the Pharisees. That oral tradition perverted the “chosen people” concept of the written Torah from “chosen to bring the light of God to the world” to “chosen to be God-like themselves and therefore superior to all other life forms including “the goyim” who appear to be human form but actually are inferior beasts of burden existing only to serve the chosen and whose life can be ended at the whim of the chosen.

    Yes, it is called “Pharisaic Rabbinism” or “Rabbinical Judaism”. It is said to have originated as oral tradition during the era of the Second Temple” and then was reduced to writing as the Babylonian Talmud about 400 years after the Jesus event.

    The need to correct this heresy of self deification by its adherents is said to be a major reason why God sent His Son Jesus here to clean up the evil which today’s Jews are still inflicting on the goyim with primary focus to those whom Jews see as the primary threat to their dominance, the white descendants of Christendom.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  75. Mefobills says:
    @chuckywiz

    My late brother who once worked as a Manager in Arby’s restaurants in NYC back in 1980s once told me that he was instructed not hire any blacks. Before this revelation I had eaten only once in Arby’s franchise. After that, never.

    Maybe…

    In the 1980’s the government was already enforcing race rules on business hiring practices.

    If you hired a black female that was a twofer, because it was a woman and a minority. Mexican female, a twofer. Black male a plus.

    White female a plus. White male…. discouraged or ignored.

    The NYC example might have been due to local manager who had a lot of trouble with black employees, but his example was an exception not the rule. Arby’s upper management had to toe the line, just like everybody else.

    Local manager would have had to bow down to the diversity gods some other way, probably by hiring Mexican females, or some other non whites.

    When I hired, I definitely was forced to pay obeisance to the diversity god. Mexican females were always desirable and a few token blacks could be hired to keep the government at arms length. Black employees who were good workers were like gold and highly sought after.

  76. Malla says:
    @Bert

    The Ashkenazim are unique among Jews in that in Slavic lands they practiced particularly exploitative “professions”

    That is not unique among Jews, that is normal Jewish behaviour.

    • Replies: @Bert
  77. @anon

    That occurs because of recessive genes or a gene mutation. It’s nothing new and likely occurs more frequently that we know.

    Point was, Jews are neither Monogloid or Negroid so that leaves Caucasoid. Particularly those descended from Europe. Not complicated.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  78. All NOI articles exist to serve the black community, their sole constituency. Since blacks aren’t renowned for their critical thinking skills, facts and accuracy are sometimes jettisoned in favor of propaganda points. As long as the “vibe” is right, print it.

    This is frustrating, because I fundamentally agree with Minister Farrakhan on many of his positions. In this instance, we already know Jews are the most wildly inappropriate people on the planet, no need to make stuff up.

    [MORE]

    “Manny,” as he was lovingly known, was no insignificant figure—he was a city councilor, a bank director, the treasurer of the Masons and the Odd Fellows, and a long-time member in good standing of his people’s St. Louis synagogue. And Steiner received this high honor from the white terrorists as his wife, children, and grandchildren proudly looked on.

    Nation of Islam Research Group (NOIRG) spends five paragraphs convincing us the KKK was a respected community organization in Fairfield, Illinois in 1924, during a ceremony honoring one of its esteemed members and attended by 15,000 of its citizens. But then it spends the rest of its time arguing against this opening premise: the KKK was vicious, violent and criminal. Which was it? Kind or evil? Because it sure seems like Fairfield, and presumably hundreds of other cities and towns across the nation, revered the organization.

    And why “white terrorists?” Would any of the 15,000 Fairfieldians in attendance that sunny Autumn day agree with your deprecatory definition? It’s just another facile propaganda point, unsupported by your own depiction of Fairfield. Like every white person in 2020 is a neo-Nazi. It gets old.

    Jewish gangster Joe Glaser controlled 70% of the Black entertainers in America and robbed every last one of them, including Louis Armstrong, Billie Holiday, and Duke Ellington. The Jewish Chess brothers robbed the blues greats blind, including Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, and Muddy Waters. Jimi Hendrix was milked by Jewish thief Brian Epstein; murderer Phil Spector ripped off singer Darlene Love and his own wife, Ronny Spector; and Arthur Goldberg infamously stole millions from Little Richard. Prince had epic battles with Warner Brothers and began appearing with the word “SLAVE” written on his face. Michael Jackson publicly called Tommy Mattola (a Jewish convert) a “racist who exploited black talent.”

    How did WB enslave Prince? How was Hendrix milked by Brian Epstein? By keeping an inordinate percentage of their earnings, or maintaining two sets of books? Should I be concerned Pharell Williams only made $24 million last year instead of the $25.3 to which he was entitled?

    This is the fundamental problem with NOIRG output: they fling accusations like $1 bills at a strip club, but always without specifics or supporting documentation. They say white cops are inflicting genocide on unarmed black men, and we’re supposed to nod and say “okay,” never mind the total number of incidents in 2019 = 9. Yes. Nine. And seven of those were assaulting the arresting officer per bodycam footage.

    I don’t doubt Jews control the music industry, and I don’t doubt every artist since Scott Joplin swears he’s being ripped off. But nobody had a worse deal than Elvis, and far as I know Colonel Tom was as Jewish as pulled pork.

    [Photo caption] _The Ku Klux Klan gave their Jewish supporter “Manny” Steiner 50 roses in broad daylight. This is what they did to Blacks at night.

    So the KKK lynched every black, and only at night? Because I don’t see any women among the victims. Why were the lynchees overwhelming male? Hm-mm, I dunno … maybe because both homicide perpetrators and victims in 2020 America are also overwhelmingly black males? Again, NOIRG assumption: today’s blacks are predatory and violent, but our brothers a century ago were peaceful and industrious. Lynched for no reason, just like Hitler holocausted the Jews for no reason. Wake up any given Tuesday, lynch a black guy. Inconceivable those brothers in the ropes were rapists or thieves or murderers.

    We’ll never know, because once again this photo is only for propaganda value. Who’s the guy on the far left, and why is he strung up? Here’s a thought: publish the photo of Cannon Hinnant’s head after Darius Sessoms shot him just last week, that oughta move some needles.

    Gory photos are no substitute for fact-based discussion, appealing to emotion instead of intellect.

    The Ku Klux Klan emerged in the post-Civil War and post-slavery era known as Reconstruction. Their role was entirely economic, namely, to force the emancipated Blacks from pursuing anything other than a plantation life

    Purely economic? We’ve just had a thousand words reminding us the KKK was on a lynching rampage without rhyme or reason. That’s hardly an erudite exposition of Freidrich Hayek.

    When Blacks gained a measure of political power in Wilmington, North Carolina, Jews were among the leaders that rallied the mob of whites in 1898 that massacred as many as 300 Blacks.

    According to WNET-13, “Officially, twenty-five blacks died. But hundreds more may have been killed, their bodies dumped into the river.” (https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_riot.html) So let’s just go with the 300 number, why not? Evidence not necessary, and it’s sexier than 25. By the way, 437 homicide victims just in Chicago so far this year, almost all black. While NOIRG’s busy analyzing 1898.

    Speaking of numbers, KKK atrocities are ennumerated twice:

    cut off his body parts to display in a jar at the local Five & Dime, as they had done to 5,000 innocent Black Americans.

    Get it? All 5,000 were innocent. NOIRG knows because they’ve researched every single lynching in detail, and if you can’t trust NOIRG, well … And were 5,000 blacks really dismembered and displayed in jars? Is this akin to lampshades named Goldberg and masturbation death machines?

    Find those societies in history where Black slavery forms the economic foundation—the Caribbean, Brazil, Mississippi Delta, South Africa, Rhodesia, Surinam, India—and Jews will be there also, not as an oppressed underclass but as a thriving and vital community.

    According to World Population Review the leading slave countries in 2020 are India, China and Pakistan (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery). Hardly Jewish strongholds. Of course, this is typical of NOIRG’s tactics: focus on 150 years ago and ignore last week.

    Frank advocated that Blacks be barred from giving testimony in court because, as Frank’s lawyer said, “If you put a nigger in a hopper he’ll drip lies.”

    Again, it’s frustrating: I agree with the central premise that Jews are the most racist community on the planet, but this NOIRG article also confirms that Frank’s lawyer had a point.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  79. The link between white trash golems and their Jew masters is unbreakable. A people whose identity consists of “bless Israel so that God blesses you” and Original Sin had no right to hope for a future. A people without a soul can only carry on as a sick, dying golem while its master searches for a replacement.

    Thanks to the NOI for another eye-opening article.

  80. Tor597 says:
    @Z-man

    Whites are stupid and inferior as most of them don’t see that Jews are their real enemy.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Wally
    , @bluefire
  81. Mefobills says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    Exactly,

    Talmudism is a new religion written after the Temple fell. No Levite priesthood, no scrolls, no temple, no genealogical tables….no Israelite religion. It was wiped out. The Romans especially tore down the Temple as they were looking for gold coins consecrated to the walls.

    Today’s Jews have even resurrected Hebrew in an attempt to rewrite history.

    Talmudism/Judaism is a new religion who antecedents go straight through Rabbinical Pharisees.

    These Pharisees were locking down the population using predator/creditor techniques. These techniques go back much further in time to the Haibaru/Hyskos. The merchant has always hated the natural order.

    When Jesus came on the scene, it was to return to natural order balance, especially since Jesus’ mission began on the Jubilee year; the good news was to release debts in biblical 50 year cycle. The Pharisee class wanted the world in debt to them forever as they were godlike “creditors.”

    Jesus also elevated women, something that synchronizes with European sensibilities.

    Suppressing women, using women as objects, having no graven images, having only geometric art (tessellation patterns), having high numerical fluency (good at counting/math)… and being hostile to out-groups seems to be a tradition of neanderthalic Esau and his spiritual/genetic descendants, who are today called the Jews.

  82. Jews were the biggest slave traders in world and now the zionists are behind the biggest scam in the world blacklivesmatter, there is nothing new under the sun.

  83. To the idiots that continue to insist that jews are white….riddle me this……if jews are white then why

    do they spend every waking moment orchestrating ways to destroy white people?

    I have not seen any of you jews-are-white-idiots explain this phenomenon…..because the only explanation is that they are not white and are indeed ANTI-white, and their behavior reinforces this obvious fact.

    “The Culture of Critique” is a brilliant analysis that exposes the raw animosity that jews have for the white world.

    Nazism was simply a copy of judaism, a way to fight fire with fire;
    ingroup preference
    outgroup hostility
    genetic purity

    jews are the people that dwell alone, setting themselves apart (and above) the rest of humanity.

    If jews were white and they identified as white, many (if not all) of the problems in the world would evaporate overnight.

    The fact that jews set themselves apart and above humanity creates a chain reaction of ill will and animosity that reverberates throughout all of mankind.

    While Christianity promotes unity (even to the point of ethnomasochism) judaism promotes jewish supremacy that corrodes the very fabric of life itself.

  84. Mefobills says:
    @The Real World

    Point was, Jews are neither Monogloid or Negroid so that leaves Caucasoid. Particularly those descended from Europe. Not complicated.

    Neanderthaloid. You are simplifying something complex.

    Today’s races are mixtures of former tribes and people groups.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  85. Mefobills says:

    Here is more on DNA history for those who keep insisting that European whites have monolithic DNA.

    https://www.johndenugent.com/neanderthals-and-semites/

    Although, it is true that white people begin to malfunction when they follow Mammon as their god; that is when they follow money and prices as if that is all that matters, and operate out of greed.

    The Anglo Saxons operated just fine under King Edward’s Talley Stick system, which balanced credits and debts every year.

  86. @Malla

    I´m afraid no one outside the US uses the Blumenbach nomenclature any longer.
    Based upon a literal reading of Genesis he coined “Caucasian” as denoting the “primordial” race (after all we all stem from Noah don´t we; it´s in da Book).

    “Europid”, “Mongolid” (NOT “mongoloid”, that´s trisomy 21, Down syndrome) and “Negrid” proved handy for a century or so but are becoming increasingly inadequate.
    There are ten or so genetic “clusters” – whether “races” or “species” is a matter of taste.

    “Arya varna” in Sanskrit means the “noble colour” but isn´t primordial either.

  87. kikz says:

    NOI Research Group…………………..?

    you’re kidding right?

    LOL!

  88. @Mefobills

    Humans mixing…..no kidding, that has been the case for centuries.
    Only more so now because of easier access/proximity/acceptance.
    You are splitting hairs which is very tiresome and unproductive.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  89. Truth says:
    @Robert Dolan

    but jews deliberately incite the delinquent buckwheats to murder white people.

    Well Bobby Dole, I mean, for 300 years they did incite the honkees to murder us…

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @ThreeCranes
  90. KenH says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Good work.

    Get it? All 5,000 were innocent.

    Right, like blacks are incapable of sexually assaulting white women or stealing from and committing acts of violence against whites which is what got a great many of these 5000 “innocent” blacks hung. The NOI narrative always paints blacks as pure as the wind driven snow and as always the victims of white intolerance and aggression.

    For context a lot of white criminals also got hung but NOI conveniently leaves that out.

    By the way, 437 homicide victims just in Chicago so far this year, almost all black. While NOIRG’s busy analyzing 1898.

    NOI does seem perpetually stuck in the distant past and past is always prologue. Just like in one of his sermons Farrakhan exhorted his flock to “kill those who kill us”. He was referring to the police killing blacks and in need of killing but the fact is that blacks kill about 20x more blacks than the police do, but that doesn’t make for good hate propaganda.

  91. Truth says:
    @Anon

    Sephardi are not genetic Jews, they are genetic Semites which means that they are from the same family as Jews, and are now JewISH (Jewlike).

    • Replies: @Wrong
  92. Truth says:
    @Emily

    A jew ill steal everything you have, the clothes on your back if worth having, and then cut your throat.

    Yeah, but only if he has a trash bag, and there’s a paid plasma bank within walking distance.

    HAHA. Hey my Khazar buddies, just messin’ with ya!

  93. Derer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh :

    “If you saw two people drowning, a Jew and a non-Jew, the Torah says you save the Jewish life first….Something is special about Jewish DNA….If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah probably would permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value.”

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  94. @Derer

    There is very solid evidence regarding israel being involved in organ harvesting.

  95. @Mefobills

    bookmark

    Very informative, once again.
    thanks

    —-

    to kikz @89. https://www.unz.com/article/white-supremacist-jews-the-ku-klux-klan/#comment-4102673

    “NOI Research Group — you’re kidding —”

    You are aware that Edwin Black’s books are the product of “crowd-research, ” right?
    Sayanim all over the globe contribute their bit of propaganda
    He puts it together & sells it to goyim as the whole troof

  96. Moi says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    But we have the Jews to thank for transforming America into a multicultural, multilingual and multi-gender society, bereft of its tradition and values. Now anything goes–except the country, which is going down fast. In 10 years, it will be bonafide third-world country, and maybe sooner.

  97. @Truth

    No, they did not.

    They ran the slave trade, yes.

    But violence is the expertise of blacks incited by jews.

    Cross racial violence is 90% black on white.

    Black on white attacks run 550,00 per year.

    Black on white rape runs 20,000 per year.

    White/cop violence against blacks is a non-issue in reality……while blacks kill 7,000 fellow blacks every year.

    • Replies: @Truth
  98. From the Nation of Islam Research Group?

    Do they know Mohammed had the hots for a 6 or 9 year old girl (depending on the source)? His “religion” led to the enslavement of far more white and black people than were sold during the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

    No thanks. And tell Erdogan that he looks like a Turkish Ron Jeremy.

  99. “JEWS SING

    ‘WE’RE NOT WHITE WE’RE JEWISH’”:

    — (https://www.bitchute.com/video/kWNQYvYP4hpr/)

  100. Handy rule of thumb:

    Give a white man a hammer, and he’ll build an empire.

    Give a yellow man a hammer, and he’ll make ten thousand exact copies.

    Give a black man a hammer, and he’ll kill a white man with it.

    Give a Jew a hammer, and he’ll hand it to a black man.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, anarchyst
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Sick of Orcs
  101. @Malla

    Cohens of India working hand in hand with the real Kohanim … oy vey!

    • LOL: Malla
  102. @Rick Derris

    depending on the source

    You’re obviously not familiar with all the perspectives on this subject. Here’s a solid case that she was nearly 18 when her marriage was consummated:

    Aisha (ra): The Case for an Older Age in Sunni Hadith Scholarship

    Moreover, the marriage was arranged with the knowledge and consent of ‘Aisha’s father, Abu Bakr, who was the best friend of Muhammad and the first of his companions to embrace Islam. Ascribing prurience to the matter may be quite normal for individuals who can’t seem to escape the effects of an environment beleaguered by sexual licentiousness, but nobody well versed in Islamic studies would ever make such a claim.

    More than any other ethnic demographic in America, black folk turn to Islam in spite of the history you mention. Quite obviously, the perspective of spiritual liberation it accords to them outweighs that directed at bygone tribulation about which nothing can be done.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  103. Hossein says:

    Zionism is racism . That is a known fact and the Zionists themselves admit to it. Their partnership with far right parties of Europe and in the US is proof of that. Zionism and white supremacy are intertwined.

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @vot tak
    , @Tor597
  104. A.K.Patal says:
    @Thomasina

    Some people may not like it, but this is powerful and truthful comment! I wish many understood that playing one community or ethnic against another is a game that Jews perfected so long ago. The worst thing about it is that many times these orchestrated conflicts are absolutely unnecessary. But they keep doing it over and over and over. The obvious question is, what are they going to do when those who have been used from both sides understand the game and start cooperating to put an end to the tormentors of both?

    • Replies: @Ivan
  105. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @Tom Verso

    Rise themselves up?

    Not a native speaker, I suppose …

    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  106. vot tak says:

    This is an excellent reporting on an aspect of history that has been deliberately covered up over the years leaving few knowing about the far right Jewish connections to white supremacists and their important role in this [bowel] movement. The white supremacists now are mouthing the same bigotries their past idols did and it’s the same groups of parasites writing their lines for them. Guess who is laughing all the way to their bank (which they own, btw).

    To see how little has changed over the years, one need only read the white supremacist promoting articles on this site and the bulk of the sympathetic comments beneath those articles. The sort of Jewish bolstered propaganda during the slavocracy has been updated with the times and given a nationalist base by zionazism. But the views are essentially identical. Jews profiting from the slave economy of the south slavocracy sympathetic and promoting its depraved, degenerate worldviews, now zionazi Jews promoting israel and its very similar worldviews.

    It is no accident netanyahoo and the white supremacists here share essentially the same world view.

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Replies: @A.K.Patal
  107. @Hossein

    Liar.

    Who do you think you’re fooling? You’re totally full of shit. Are you paid to post bullshit?

    There is no “white supremacy,” moron.

    Where is the evidence for it? Whites have no voice at all, no organizations whatsoever.

    If there is a “tie” between whites and zionism, then why is the zionist media rabidly anti-white?

    Stupid Christian zionists support israel, yes, but they get NOTHING in return.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  108. vot tak says:
    @Hossein

    Agree. And this article documents how this zionazism/white supremacy duality predates zionism and shows that the sort of Jews who exploited the slave economy and promoted the societal ills that facilitated this bebased world view of human relations are the same as zionazis now.

    Scratch a white supremacist and you will find either a willing agent of israel, or some deluded knuckle dragger who thinks his mind is his own.

    • Agree: A.K.Patal, Tor597
  109. Tom Verso says:
    @Jett Rucker

    “rise”. … typo: rather “raise”

    Thanks for noting the error.

  110. vot tak says:
    @Adolph Oliver Busch

    Your idol netanyahoo couldn’t have written it better, shlomo. You are a classic example of what this NOI article is describing.

    • Replies: @Adolph Oliver Busch
  111. Bookish1 says:
    @antibeast

    Iranians were Aryans but then they mixed their pure white race with darker races and therefore are no longer Aryans. You can still find whites with blue eyes in Iran but they are rare. So if the Persians were white and had their greatest success during their white times of existence it explains why they are not great now. They bred their greatness out of their gene pool.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  112. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greg Bacon

    No Black Nationalist is a friend to the White man or albino caveman as that little gorilla Cube would say.

  113. Truth says:
    @Emily

    Oh, so you believe what you hear in the mass media now?

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/14/1620475/-Fox-News-Is-NOT-News-Network-s-Own-Ads-Label-Its-Programming-As-Entertainment

    and gofundme? You mean an app that’s meant to collect money off unfortunate events?

    You’re right. What are the odds of that being corrupted?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/gofundme-nation/598369/

    • Troll: usNthem
  114. Wally says:
    @Tor597

    said:
    “Whites are stupid and inferior … ”

    LOL.

    That must be why Euro-whites have created societies that all others try to replicate, or try to get into.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Tor597
  115. Truth says:
    @Robert Dolan

    But violence is the expertise of blacks incited by jews.

    Cross racial violence is 90% black on white.

    LOL


    [MORE]

    Everything you have ever learned is false, Old Sport.

    As a wise man once said, “it’s the chickens coming home to roost.”

    • Troll: usNthem
  116. or to cut off his body parts to display in a jar at the local Five & Dime, as they had done to 5,000 innocent Black Americans.

    If “innocent” Blacks knew their fate could be ending up in jars, maybe evil orcs like darius sessoms would think twice about executing a 5-year-old White kid.

    His name was Cannon Hinnant.

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Truth
  117. Truth says:
    @Malla

    But the behaviour of Ashkenazis and of pre-Christ Jews are very similar. Very similar in manners and racial tendencies.

    You must be a little older than you let on.

    • Replies: @Malla
  118. Ivan says:
    @trickster

    Excellent. Well said. Blacks should really up their game. Which I believe they are doing in Africa. But in the US and the West generally the system is set up with perverse incentives to ensure that blacks as a whole will not escape their allotted role of being the lowest of the proletariat gangs, useful only for their muscle.

    • Replies: @trickster
  119. Ivan says:
    @A.K.Patal

    It always happens that a figure like Hitler or Stalin will then appear to set things right with a great deal of bloodshed. Never fails. That seems to be the lesson of history.

    It’s there in the Bible, for example the story of Joseph who rose up in Egyptian bureaucracy. His original scam was built on exploiting a famine in Egypt with a high official to amass riches for themselves. Already the pattern of subsequent Jewish behaviour is seen in its essentials.

    I. Rank ingratitude to a people that offered refuge.
    II. Collusion with high officials to exploit the masses.

    The denouncement is also written somewhere… And there came a Pharoah who knew not Joseph…

  120. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Rick Derris

    Rickie, Israelis still have the hots for kids, that’s why when they get caught in some sane nation, and are looking at jail time for being a pedo, they fly Air Aliyah to Israel where they can rape kiddies to their hearts content and not worry about jail time.

    Some make a career out of being a pedo, like those Mohel Rabbis that get paid to mutilate a baby boy’s penis then slurp on the blood.

    ‘Tens Of Thousands’ Of Pedophiles Openly Operate In Israel Every Year ‘Without Any Problem’

    “In Israel, tens of thousands of pedophiles operate on a daily basis without any problem,” said Eliran Malki, head of the Matzof Association.

    https://christiansfortruth.com/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-openly-operate-in-israel-every-year-without-any-problem/

    Here’s a fun fact! Awhile back, New York City Dept of Health was concerned about all the diseases Rabbis were giving to the babies that they tried to make them use a glass tube so there wouldn’t be no lip-penis contact and when that reg got out, all hell broke loose. The usual suspects were screaming its’ anudda Shoah, they’re just a bunch of anti-Semites. The rule was dropped to ensure that rabbis keep giving baby boy’s herpes.

  121. “. . . as they had done to 5,000 innocent Black Americans. ”

    “Innocent”, huh? An interesting article, but NOI discredits itself with gems like the aforementioned.

    • Troll: vot tak
  122. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tlotsi

    Leonard Cohen. He sure as hell couldn’t sing.

  123. vot tak says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Pure zionazi-faggot race war promotion. You really want to be netanayahoo’s bum toy?

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  124. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    All right, rename the NOIRG to NOIPG (Nation Of Islam Propaganda Group) then.

  125. It’s my understanding that Ashkenazi Jews are late comers to the religion, circa 800 AD. It was at the behest of the Russian government; the Ashkenazi tribes lived in the area we know now as the Ukraine, (were notorious bandits, kidnappers, blackmailers and murderers,) were given a choice to either adopt a religion and stop their criminal life, or be wiped out. At the time the Ashkenazi’s were ruled by a king who chose Judaism, and by decree made all of his people Jews. Soon after began the Jewish diaspora, with most moving to W. Europe.
    The question of whether Jews are white or not is really just another Ashkenazi trick. One to divide Whites from Blacks and all others. The original Semitic Jews of the ME and Africa can make a good argument that they are not White, but the Ashkenazi can’t. Unfortunately the Ashkenazi Jews are ruthless in their ways, and have succeeded in taking control of Judaism. Historically the #1 enemy, or perceived threat to Jews, are White Christians. Unfortunately White Christians don’t recognize this fact.
    To get a fair understanding of what we are up against I highly recommend Lauren Guyenot’s book “FROM YAWEH TO ZION … A Clash of Civilizations”.

  126. @Truth

    Why do you call yourself “Truth” when you always lie?

    Let’s look at the 300 years stuff. Look at the chart. In 1720 there were only 69,000 negroes here in America. The big push for importing them was between 1750 and 1810, when importation became illegal. Now look at the numbers from 1810 on. There is nothing but a fast rate of growth for negroes. For example, from 1810 to 1860, the negro population grew from 1.38 million to 4.4 million. That’s a growth rate of 2.3% per year.

    Does that look like “honkees…murder us”?

    I chose 1810 because that was nearest to the year 1808 when importation of negroes was legally halted through interdiction by the (what was then the equivalent of today’s) US Coast Guard.

    And 1860 was chosen because that was close to the end of slavery.

    From 1860 to 2020, negroes have grown from 4.4 to 42 million. That’s a growth rate of 1.6% per year.

    Again, where’s the murder?

    At least have the courtesy to change your handle or, if your vanity prevents you from doing that, then just leave off commenting when you have nothing meaningful to contribute.

    [MORE]

    Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the Thirteen Colonies (Total Numbers) Between 1610 and 1750[1][a]
    Race/Ethnic Group 1610 1620 1630 1640 1650 1660 1670 1680 1690 1700 1710 1720 1730 1740 1750
    Total Population 350 2,302 4,646 26,634 50,368 75,058 111,935 151,507 210,372 250,888 331,711 466,185 629,445 905,563 1,170,760
    White 350 2,282 4,586 26,037 48,768 72,138 107,400 144,536 193,643 223,071 286,845 397,346 538,424 755,539 934,340
    White (%) 100.0% 99.1% 98.7% 97.8% 96.8% 96.1% 95.9% 95.4% 91.9% 88.9% 86.4% 85.2% 85.5% 83.4% 79.8%
    Black (also called Negro) 0 20 60 597 1,600 2,920 4,535 6,971 16,729 27,817 44,866 68,839 91,021 150,024 236,420
    Black/Negro (%) 0.0% 0.9% 1.3% 2.2% 3.2% 3.9% 4.1% 4.6% 8.1% 11.1% 13.6% 14.8% 14.5% 16.6% 20.2%
    Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the Thirteen Colonies and the United States (Total Numbers) Between 1760 and 1840[1][a][15][16][17]
    Race/Ethnic Group 1760 1770 1780 1790 1800 1810 1820 1830 1840
    Total Population 1,593,625 2,148,076 2,780,369 3,929,214 5,308,483 7,239,881 9,638,453 12,860,702 17,063,353
    White 1,267,819 1,688,254 2,204,949 3,172,006 4,306,446 5,862,073 7,866,797 10,532,060 14,189,705
    White % 79.6 78.6 79.3 80.7 81.1 81.0 81.6 81.9 83.2
    Black (also called Negro) 325,806 459,822 575,420 757,208 1,002,037 1,377,808 1,771,656 2,328,642 2,873,648
    Black/Negro % 20.4 21.4 20.7 19.3 18.9 19.0 18.4 18.1 16.8
    Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Total Numbers) Between 1850 and 1920[15][16][17][17][c]
    Race/Ethnic Group 1850 1860 1870 1880 1890 1900 1910 1920
    Total Population 23,191,876 31,443,321 38,558,371 50,155,783 62,947,714 75,994,575 91,972,266 105,710,620
    White 19,553,068 26,922,537 33,589,377 43,402,970 55,101,258 66,809,196 81,731,957 94,820,915
    Black 3,638,808 4,441,830 4,880,009 6,580,793 7,488,676 8,833,994 9,827,763 10,463,131
    American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut 44,021[b] 25,731[b] 66,407[b] 248,253 237,196 265,683 244,437
    Asian and Pacific Islander 34,933 63,254 105,613 109,527 114,189 146,863 182,137
    Hispanic (of any race)[14] 116,943 155,000[18] 393,555 503,189 797,994[14] 1,286,154[14]
    Non-Hispanic White[14] 19,438,451 43,065,679 66,374,317 81,043,248[14] 93,604,612[14]
    Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Total Numbers) Between 1930 and 2010[15][16][17][c]
    Race/Ethnic Group 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010
    Total Population 122,775,046 131,669,275 150,697,361 179,323,175 203,210,158 226,545,805 248,709,873 281,421,906 308,745,538
    White 110,286,740 118,214,870 134,942,028 158,831,732 178,119,221 188,371,622 199,686,070 211,460,626 223,553,265
    Black 11,891,143 12,865,518 15,042,286 18,871,831 22,539,362 26,495,025 29,986,060 34,658,190 38,929,319
    American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut 332,397 333,969 343,410 551,669 795,110 1,420,400 1,959,234 2,475,956 2,932,248
    Asian and Pacific Islander 264,766 254,918 321,033 980,337 1,526,401 3,500,439 7,273,662 10,641,833 15,214,265
    Some other race 48,604 87,606 230,064 6,758,319 9,804,847 15,359,073 19,107,368
    Two or more races 6,826,228 9,009,073
    Hispanic (of any race) 2,021,820[14] 3,231,409[14] 5,814,784[14] 8,920,940[14] 14,608,673 22,354,059 35,305,818 50,477,594
    Non-Hispanic White 116,261,189[14] 131,805,405[14] 153,217,498[14] 169,622,593[14] 180,256,366 188,128,296 194,552,774 196,817,552

    From Wikipedia

    • Thanks: Mefobills
    • Replies: @Truth
  127. @Wally

    Whether “stupid and inferior” or not, fact is that most Whites don’t see Jews as their enemies. In the US some 60 million Christian Zionists even revere the Jews.

  128. @antibeast

    I suggest that you forget trying to figure out who’s really White, and understand this: If you are a White person of the Christian faith you are a perceived as a real threat by the Jew to the Jew. You are the enemy. Until we understand that, we’re going to keep getting what we’ve been getting. Shit on. It’s Biblical to them, though not to us. This attitude must change, and soon. to us there are good Jews and bad. To the Jew there are no good White Christians, just bad.

    “Their actions are endangering all of us, as many American gentiles see this rightly as an attempt to subvert our republic for which they fought and died, and identify the Jew as the subversive enemy behind it.” It is clear that in Yonatan’s universe, the Left Jew is by far the most dangerous element in Western society in general and in the USA in particular. Gilad Atzmon An interview with Yonatan Stern, a Jewish Settler and an American patriot

  129. https://www.bitchute.com/video/VDCzvtxnGgnd/

    Here is some typical negro behavior…..violent……no impulse control……like apes from the fucking jungle.

  130. A.K.Patal says:
    @vot tak

    “It is no accident Netanyahu and the white supremacists here share essentially the same world view.”

    Because one’s views are shaped by the other, even though, as you mentioned somewhere else, the white supremacist think his mind is his own. In Europe and here in the US, white supremacists are directing all their rage against immigrants, Muslims, blacks and Latinos. Unfortunately, they seem to be unaware that they are being set up to focus on those groups, while the master is having a free hand to wreck the whole place! They wake up after it is too late, and complain about China getting rich at the expense of the US, which is true. But who is responsible? Instead of holding the master accountable to the endless disasters he created in the US, the supremacists inexplicably opt to do master’s dirty work by scapegoating immigrants and minorities.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  131. @Robert Dolan

    …if jews are white then why do they spend every waking moment orchestrating ways to destroy white people?

    The reason Jews hate whitey most of all of (((their))) despised “goyim” as Robert Dolan has accurately and emphatically stressed in his numerous comments on this article is stated here:

    https://www.unz.com/article/white-supremacist-jews-the-ku-klux-klan/#comment-4102423

    It’s all about the murderous hatred the children of the devil (John 844) have for God Incarnate Jesus and those whose ancestors historically followed Him, the descendants of Christendom, meaning those of Euro descent, meaning whitey.

    Jews and whitey are two genetically distinct racial groups. In this morning’s readings at Catholic Mass St. Paul the ethnic Jew is quoted at Romans 11:14 as saying to his Gentile audience regarding his fellow ethnic Jews:

    Perhaps I can make the people of my own race jealous, and so be able to save some of them.

    Jews are ethnically Semite from the Middle East, whitey is ethnically of Euro descent and Jews’ exploitative hatred for those outside their race is making more and more of us black or white Anti-Termite as Minister Farrakhan himself has so bravely stated.

  132. Mr Jew says:

    I’m Jewish and never heard of Bava Kamma. My guess is that 90% of Jews never read it, or even heard of it. I assume there are very religious Jews who read the Talmud, but I never even looked at one.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  133. Dannyboy says:

    The original Klan were absolutely needed and good Southern partisans. The later incarnation, not so much, but they retained a few good characteristics from the original group.

    Jews always want to back whatever group they think will be the up and coming power.

    This is just a silly article.

  134. Katrinka says:
    @Tom Verso

    If Jews are White why do they never, ever do ANYTHING to benefit White people? They are out to genocide White people, so how can they possibly identify as White? What you think is irrelevant. The question is….what does a Jew think! Jews are a nation within a nation. They do NOT self identify as White.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  135. ivan says:
    @geokat62

    See this for another example

    Mike Wallace passes for a “white man” when it suits his purpose, but otherwise he is Jewish. The hypocrisy is so thick that one can slice through it.

    • Replies: @Katrinka
  136. Truth says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    If “innocent” Blacks knew their fate could be ending up in jars, maybe evil orcs like darius sessoms would think twice about executing a 5-year-old White kid.

    Why? It’s hasn’t stopped you…

    https://www.thefairdevil.com/articles/categories/murder

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  137. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes

    There are 200 million honkees in America right now, so by your logic, I guess we haven’t been doing much of a job of murdering you either?

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  138. Tor597 says:
    @Robert Dolan

    That white people think they are the most discriminated against is laughable. Whites are just used to getting everything their way, as soon as you call them out on their behavior and whites start to get an ounce of criticism whites start to whine and complain like a bunch of SJW.

    • Disagree: Malla
    • Thanks: Truth
  139. Tor597 says:
    @Hossein

    Gentile whites are looking for a scape goat for all the horrible things they have done the past 200 years and they are trying to pin everything on the Jews.

    Whites din do nuffin.

  140. Tor597 says:
    @Wally

    Wally. Read the quote I was commenting on. I was merely showing Zman how rediculous his comment was.

  141. Paul63ao says:

    No white nationalist should kiss up to the NOI. They hate white people just as much as jews. Take what you can from the article and move on. No need for any nauseating praise of those anti-white scumbags.

    • Agree: KenH, Sick of Orcs
  142. @vot tak

    Where’s the lie tho, bubbie? BTW, I’m a Jesus freak, so..?

  143. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Descriptions in history of Jews match Ashkenazi behavior, even the pre-Christian period.

    I know Truth, “black people are the real Jews and have a covenant with GOD and all that”. But some of the description of Jews in places like ancient Alexandria etc…. match Ashkenazi behaviour. Hey, maybe the evul White honkies/ Brown Ay-rabs have been walking around callin themselves “Jew-ISH” even before the Khazarian Empire woz born when the real Jews were in the pyramids of Egypt as black Pharoahs all along.

    Even before Christ or Mohammed, we had Jewish mobs or Jewish funded whore mobs (like anti- fa today) showing their hatred for Aryan Civilization.

    From Prof. Revilo Oliver’s work “The Enemy Of Our Enemies Part 4”

    “There is an interesting analogy in the behavior of the Jews in ancient Alexandria, where a huge swarm of them, estimated at one million, took over a large part of the city and made it their vast and opulent ghetto, into which no Aryan, naturally, wanted to go. Not content with that, they perpetually swarmed through the rest of the city and were moved by their “righteousness” to break up the Greeks’ theatrical performances and athletic contests, harassing the goyim until they finally lost patience, whereupon the Jews rushed wailing to the reigning Ptolemy or Roman governor, complaining of “anti-Semitism” and “persecution,” and often, through the intrigues and financial power of wealthy and ostensibly civilized Jews, obtaining some punishment of the “intolerant” Greek population. Since the Jews, so far as is known, reaped no profits from these events and some of their rabble were injured or killed in the riots they provoked almost regularly every few years, their harassment of the Aryans must have been instinctive, rather than the result of some conscious plan or conspiracy.”

    ….snip….

    “Roth’s Jews Must Live (New York, Golden Hind Press, 1934) has–for obvious reasons–disappeared from most or all libraries and become extremely rare. It is a book of 319 pages, including the frontispiece, etc.; about half of it was reprinted, Birmingham, Alabama, 1964, and is available from Liberty Bell Publications. Roth’s is by far the most complete description of the quotidian behavior of the great mass of ordinary Jews in business and social relations, and we all owe him gratitude for his honesty and admiration for his courage. Relevant here is the reaction of Jews when the lowly Aryans try to have a club or a hotel or a residential district of their own. The Jews yell about “discrimination” and by bluster and, if need be, secret financial pressure, force their way in, but when they have made it squalid and hideous with their vulgarity, they abandon it and flock back to their own colonies, preferably leaving the Aryan owners bankrupt and dispossessed. Such conduct would show malice in an Aryan, but, if we are objective, we must attribute it to the impulsion of a racial instinct that operates as automatically and as subconsciously as an uncorrupted Aryan’s instinctive admiration of certain forms of beauty.”

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Truth
  144. profnasty says:
    @Wyatt

    Bobby was half Jew, and a practicing Christian. He was a member of the Worldwide Church of God.
    He was also a genius who ran afoul of the Zionist Jews.

  145. Well, the theme of the comment section seems to be that “jews are not white, do not side with whites, and are almost always viciously anti-white”

    False, they are European, American whites, almost exclusively. Their religion does not change that. Not that any of them even practice the religion of Judaism anyhow. Most are atheist or satanic money worshiping white demons. They just use the Jewish religion to shield themselves from criticism. Fact!

    They don’t hate white people for Petes sake. Sure they hate poor white people, but no worse than they hate poor blacks or even poor “Jews” for that matter. As we saw during the “holocaust”, they’re quite willing to collaborate with the Nazis or “anti-semites” to sacrifice their own undesirables, be it commies or lower class “Jews”, for the “greater good”. In that case the creation of “Israel”

    Rich “Jews” and rich crackers get along fine. Just look at Trump, “Israel” loves the guy, as do most Jews and Zionists. More popular there than here! Sure a lot of them pretend to hate him, to keep up the false narratives. Don’t be fooled. “Jews” and crackers often marry and produce demon spawn of their own. See Kushner and Trump for just one example.

    As far as the redneck ZOG theme of article. This is true. This is the problem with the redneck worship of all things confederate. Even I still love the confederate flag, just because nowadays its seen as more of an anti-establishment symbol than anything. I have no illusions about the Confederacy, it was nothing that average white people should idolize or wish to repeat. Just a bunch of greedy ass rich white guys that would rather import black slaves than hire poor white folks for a fair wage. Good ol “pure” capitalism that everyone wants to bring back to fix America.

    Thats my only problem with Farrakhan or NOI, they don’t get into the class struggle or capitalist aspect of it too often. Sometimes they will, but I haven’t seen any of it posted here. May be the reason they decided to leave Farrakhan be, while they killed Fred Hampton, Malcolm and MLK. Who knows?

    But hell naw you’ll never convince these alt-righters or WN’s that they could ever possibly be manipulated or led into a trap by these slick mfers. No no, they be too smart for dat! Haha. Listen you dumb mfers, I grew up in rural GA around the Klan, some in the family, I can tell you that this BS is a dead end, stay away. This WNism and alt-right fascist BS is one and the same.

    Watching these Nationalists/right wingers over in Belarus that have been manipulated by years of CIA propaganda ready to overthrow their very descent government for the benefit of rich capitalists, or “Da Jews” as folks here know them. Ready to give away the last remaining semi-socialist state to the neoliberals, just like those Ukrainian Nationalists and Neo-Nazis. Turn a pretty prosperous nation with low poverty and good culture into another neolib capitalist hellhole. But the alt-righters are too smart to be manipulated like dat! Hahahaha

    Now you know why these rich “Jews” are writing these White Fragility books all of a sudden, Being promoted by the richest people in the country.

  146. @A.K.Patal

    “…Instead of holding the master accountable to the endless disasters he created in the US, the supremacists inexplicably opt to do master’s dirty work by scapegoating immigrants and minorities…”

    And you “inexplicably”(?) opt to do the master’s dirty work by calling them “supremacists”. None of those people are really “supremacists” in the sense that they want to rule over other races because of their imagined superiority. They want only to be left alone by other races. The proper term is therefore “white nationalists”, not “white supremacists”, a propaganda term concocted by the ADL.

    • Troll: vot tak
  147. @Mr Jew

    True, most secular Jews don’t know the Talmud, but the mentality of that scripture permeates Jewish culture and influences Jewish behavior.

  148. Revenge of the CIS have it right. Mersh said that there are three guys in a bar. One guy is whispering to the other two, one at a time: “see that guy? He said you ain’t shit. He’s gonna whup your ass pretty soon.”
    I’ll leave you to determine who the three guys represent!

  149. Tony says:
    @uradel666

    Russians do have a whitish skin (in color) but they are still NOT Whites

    Dude you be smoking some strong stuff there man

  150. Anon[290] • Disclaimer says:

    The authors bring up an interesting point about twitter: blacks get banned by pointing out uncomfy truths just like whites do. The culture the MSM entertainment feeds to juvenile black and white teens is intentionally detrimental to both.

  151. Richard B says:

    Is this supposed to make us feel sorry for Blacks?

    I don’t give a damn about them.

    That ship sailed a long, long time ago.

    It was not easy for whites to wean themselves off a 300-year addiction to free Black labor and the violent means they had always used to maintain chattel slavery. They were not going to accept that Blacks would simply walk away from the central role that had built their world-leading empire.

    Notice the writer doesn’t capitalize White but does Blacks.

    So childish and corny.

    And inaccurate.

    Like the lie that slaves built a world-leading economy while being abused.

    What a laughable myth.

    Since when do capitalists destroy the very property and equipment that is helping them make money?

    Let’s see…..Never!

    Property and equipment, moreover, that they invested in.

    Which means it wasn’t “free.” How dumb to even suggest that.

    Also, whatever wealth slaves contributed was wiped out after the Civil War, obviously!

    And, of course, no mention of White servitude that has lasted for as long as there have been Whites.

    That’s THOUSANDS of years! Not a measly few hundred.

    Black slaves were property and equipment that helped turn a profit.

    Which, again, is how the world has been run for thousands of years, good or bad, like it or not.

    If anything Blacks had it better. Much better.

    It was ONLY in the geographical areas of Western Europe and North America, the land of White men, where the notion of a developing consciousness, and conscience, existed.

    And it was this, and only this, that put an end to slavery, at least for a time.

    That is, until Jewish Supremacy Inc. came out of hiding to team with the Chinese to enslave the world. Which is what is happening now.

    Forget the imaginary White addiction to free labor.

    The writer of this article should focus on their addiction to bad writing and mood-altering through self-righteousness.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  152. @bob jones

    The Jews are not a race. You are clueless. Yes, Arabs are Semites. Ancient Hebrews were Semites. Modern Jews claim to be but are not.

    You fell for it. Pick yourself up.

  153. JWalters says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    A dense network of financial services across the South, serving the cotton industry, would have been a logical extension of the major financiers behind Britain’s textile monopoly, which relied on that cotton. A principal among these would have been the Rothschild bank. A good sketch of the Rothschild bank’s prominent, backstage role in the “Anglo-American” empire, including its drug dealing through the British East India Company (and later American mobsters), is given in “War Profiteers and Israel’s Bank”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-israels-bank.html

    Fanning a conflict between “whites” and “blacks” would be an ancient distracting, divide and conquer tactic. It would help enable a financial conquest without having to field an army.

    • Replies: @A.K.Patal
  154. Bert says:
    @Malla

    You left out the rest of my sentence : “for a thousand years” so you could make a comment. Both the economic selection pressure and the length of time over which selection operates determine the amount of genetic change that the population undergoes. My experience with Jews has been that Ashkenazim are more likely than Sephardim, and much more likely than Mizrahim, to be reflexively hostile to European people, peoples and principles. That is the same as the ranking of historical control over their host population’s peasantry: large, moderate, none.

    Your quibbling illustrates the problem with Europeans. We’re not cohesively minded. Instead of adopting a meme that could bring in new adherents, you nickel and dime the meme.

    Asserting that Ashkenazim are dangerously anti-European because they are genetically programmed to be that way is far more appealing to thinking Europeans than “All Jews are bad.”

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  155. antibeast says:
    @Bookish1

    So if the Persians were white and had their greatest success during their white times of existence it explains why they are not great now. They bred their greatness out of their gene pool.

    That’s a myth. The Arabs did conquer the Persian Empire and so did the Macedonians under Alexander the Great. But the native Iranians were not replaced by either Arab or Greek settlers. Same with the later Turks and Mongols. Here’s a video explaining why Iranians are not Arabs:

    The Arabian Conquests did lead to the decline and fall of the Persian Empire and its Zoroastrian Civilization because the Arabs spread Islam and the use of Arabic language in science and religion throughout their Islamic Caliphates. The Persians have never fully recovered their Aryan identity and Zoroastrian Civilization since then, becoming more and more Arabized and Islamicized even after the Arabs left Persia. The Shah of Iran wanted to promote the Aryan identity of Iran by renaming his country “Iran” which means the “Land of Aryans”. He also wanted to revive the native Iranian Civilization founded by the ancient Persians but was deposed by the USA who replaced the Shah with the Islamic fundamentalist Ayatollah Khomeini.

  156. @redmudhooch

    Gibberish and horseshit from a drunken buck toothed methhead faggot.

    WTF are you going on about?

  157. @redmudhooch

    Your ignorance is on display, again. The Confederate Constitution did something that the U. S. Constitution did not, it banned the importation of Slaves from Africa. There was no need to import them. They were breeding and multiplying, unlike regions in the Southern Hemisphere where they died as quickly as they could be imported. U. S. (Jewish?) shipping merchants continued to supply Negroes to Caribbean and South American countries long after the War to Prevent Southern Independence had ended. The Rich Man’s War, Poor Man’s Fight description applies to the North, where wealthy people paid a $300 bounty to procure a substitute. In the South, Plantation owners of a certain status were exempted from service because their presence was required to manage the vital agricultural production. This did not prevent many wealthy, influential, and prominent men of stature from enlisting and serving in the ranks of the Confederacy. Some, such as Nathan Bedford Forrest, enlisted as Privates, but quickly rose in rank. There were, to be sure, some inept, political appointed Generals in the South, but it was nothing compared to those in the North. Generals in that war were expected to actually lead men into battle, rather than to urge them forward while safely ensconced behind their own fortifications. Many great Southern Men of all backgrounds fell while embodying an ideal and desperately trying to defend their Country from an invasion. That is why they have been, and will continue to be, revered for generations.

    The evidence of the social leveling that took place in the South after the war is indisputable. But, the haughty, aristocratic, callous nature, that is almost universally applied to the Southern planter class, is just another stereotypical generalization that is employed by those who only seek to defame them. A perusal of historical archives will reveal the truth. The vast majority of those who acquired a place of distinction in the South were determinedly loyal to their neighbors and their communities as a whole. Their sacrifices were total. Direct descendants and close relatives (even a Son) of former U. S. Presidents, who had sided with the South, were left destitute. Their willingness to aid those who were less fortunate was automatic. There is absolutely no way that the South could have endured the four years of war, and the decades of deprivation and exploitation that followed, if they didn’t have a genuine sense of social obligation. From the millions of Negroes that voluntarily stayed on to work as sharecroppers to the bartering system that enabled a society where greenbacks were as scarce as hen’s teeth to operate, the South forged an identity that was characterized by a humble, but proud countenance. The monuments that were erected to the Southern Soldiers were mainly the work of their Mothers, Wives and Daughters; and they were the culmination of years of collecting money through bake sales, dances, raffles and other fund raising efforts.

    It seems that you frequently find a Rasputin, a Kissinger, a Cohen, closely connected to a deposed leader or disgraced personality. Did Davis fall victim to a Benjamin? Considering the historical record, the answer is likely, “yes.” Judah burned all of his personal papers, but they surely contained a wealth of compelling intrigue. Having acknowledged that, I remind you that Lincoln rescinded Grant’s order to expel the Hebes from Kentucky and Tennessee because of the massive amount of Jewish support for the Union.

    This, “I grew up in Georgia…” BS, is simply a method that I’ve seen other Scalawag Foxworthy’s employ when they are trying to lend legitimacy to their asinine assertions about the South.

  158. The following is a partial of the slave ships owned by Jews:

    [MORE]

    ‘Abigail’ by Aaron Lopez.
    Moses Levy and Jacob Franks.
    ‘Crown’ by Isaac Levy and Nathan Simpson.
    ‘Nassau’by Moses Levy.
    ‘Four Sisters’ by Moses Levy.
    ‘Anne & Eliza’ by Justus Bosch and John Abrams.
    ‘Prudent Betty’ by Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix.
    ‘Hester’ by Mordecai and David Gomez.
    ‘Elizabeth’ by David and Mordecai Gomez.
    ‘Antigua’ by Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell.
    ‘Betsy’by Wm. DeWoolf.
    ‘PoUy’by James DeWoolf.
    ‘White Horse’ by Jan de Sweevts.
    ‘Expedition’ by John and Jacob Rosevelt.
    ‘Charlotte’ by Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks.
    ‘Caracoa’ by Moses and Sam Levy.

    “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews” reveals info the jews don’t like!
    So this book is a must read!

    The dumb negro race is simply a golem for the jews. The Nation of Islam is 100% right about this.
    The jews have convinced the stupid negroes that “white” people enslaved them, when it was JEWS that ran the slave trade for thousands of years until white men ended slavery.

  159. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Can Brahmins have Black skin?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Jeff Stryker
  160. Robjil says:
    @Malla

    Most people do not know about Kito’s war of 115-117 AD. A huge Jewish revolt all over the Eastern part of the Roman Empire. It was extremely violent and destructive. Christianity was not in power yet. So, Jewish culture can not blame this revolt on Christianity.
    Why did not any other ethnic group revolt in the Roman Empire at this time? Why only those of Jewish culture?

    Here is an article that studies the physical evidence of this massive revolt. This was a Jewish diaspora revolt, not in Judea. Why were Jews attacking non-Jews and destroying infrastructure on massive scale outside Judea? The Jews attacked civilians, too. Why?

    https://followinghadrian.com/2018/11/05/the-rebuilding-of-cyrene-by-hadrian-in-ad-118-9-hadrian1900/

    In AD 115, while Trajan and the majority of the Roman troops were campaigning in Parthia in the East, the diasporic Jews rose against Rome, creating havoc in Cyrenaica, Egypt and Cyprus. The hostilities started in Cyrene and quickly spread to Alexandria, Judaism’s largest city, and resulted not only in great loss of life but also in widespread destruction. In Cyrenaica, the revolt raged all over the country and was characterized by extreme violence and bloodshed. Dio Cassius paints a horrific picture of unrelieved brutality. The Jews, he claimed,

    would eat the flesh of their victims, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood and wear their skins for clothing; many they sawed in two, from the head downwards; others they gave to wild beasts, and still others they forced to fight as gladiators. (Dio, LXVIII 32.2-4)

    There is a lot of physical evidence of this massive destruction and violence from these Jewish rebels. The city of Cyrene, now in Libya, was a Roman city that had to be rebuilt since it was so savagely destroyed by these Jewish rebels.

    Dio adds that 220,000 Greeks and Romans were slaughtered in Egypt and Cyrene, and another 240,000 perished in Cyprus. Many public buildings and several temples were destroyed while the roads were made unusable. The Epigraphical and archaeological evidence for the damage caused during the rebellion is particularly clear at Cyrene where many of the oldest and finest monuments were reduced to rubble.

    • Thanks: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  161. @vot tak

    Netanyoohoo lives in your head, dude. Keep your neuroses to yourself, zero credits toward your troll degree.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  162. @Truth

    We’re aware evil Whites exist, but unlike Blacks we don’t rush to defend “our” monsters just because they’re White.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @anon
  163. @Adolph Oliver Busch

    Give a Jew a hammer, and he’ll hand it to a black man.

    If by “give” you mean sell the hammer at the low, low interest rate of 28%.

  164. Katrinka says:
    @ivan

    This Mike Wallace / Morgan Freeman video clip explains what I’ve been stating here multiple times. Jews are not White, they’re Jewish!
    When it suits their purposes to blend in and pose as Whites they do it, but in reality when pressed they come right out and identify as Jewish. I rest my case.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  165. Tom Verso says:
    @Katrinka

    If Jews are White why do they never, ever do ANYTHING to benefit White people?

    People of the same race do not necessarily help one another. On the contrary, they are often very brutal to one another. Consider what the White people of England, France and the US did to the White people of Germany during WW I and II and vise versa.

    Historically intra-racial conflict (i.e. clashes between people of the same race) is the norm.

    A race in turn divides into cultures based on the geo-ecological conditions. Culture correlates, to my mind perfectly with geography. Accordingly, the White people of Europe (Aryans) developed a different culture than the White people of the Middle East (Semites).

    As with race, people of the same culture conflict with each other. Again, WW I and II was an intra Christian cultural clash (i.e. clash between people of the Christian culture).

    There are also inter-cultural clashes (i.e clashes between different cultures). To my mind, in the US today we are experiencing inter-cultural clashes between White Aryan Europeans and White Semitic Jews and Black Sub-Saharan Africans.

    Also, in the Middle East today we are witnessing a clash between the White Semitic Jews and Arabs against the White Aryan Iranians and Russians.

    White is a race. Aryan and Semitic are cultures of people of the same White race.

    Of course, the terms Aryan and Semitic have in the post-Nazi era have take on a host of largely pejorative connotative meanings because of the bastardization of those terms by the Nazis. But, before the Nazis, they were very objective social scientific historical terms denoting respective people and cultures.

    ……..
    Thank you for your reply to my comment.
    Socrates thought knowledge comes from dialogue.

  166. @antibeast

    Sorry, but you’re full of shit. The Indo Iranians didn’t migrate from the Pontic-Caspian steppes to central Asia, but from Northern Europe to Central Asia, via the Corded Ware Culture.

    The genetics and phenotype of the early Indo Iranians from Andronovo have already been determined. They were Northern Europeans of a Nordic phenotype.

    Saltman mummy from Persia:

    In 2009, a genetic study of ancient Siberian cultures, the Andronovo culture, the Karasuk culture, the Tagar culture and the Tashtyk culture, was published in Human Genetics. Ten individuals of the Andronovo horizon in southern Siberia from 1400 BC to 1000 BC were surveyed. Extractions of mtDNA from nine individuals were determined to represent two samples of haplogroup U4 and single samples of Z1, T1, U2e, T4, H, K2b and U5a1. Extractions of Y-DNA from one individual was determined to belong to Y-DNA haplogroup C (but not C3), while the other two extractions were determined to belong to haplogroup R1a1a, which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans. Of the individuals surveyed, only two (or 22%) were determined to be Mongoloid, while seven (or 78%) were determined to be Caucasoid, with the majority being light-skinned with predominantly light eyes and light hair.[30]

    The nomadic Indo Iranians were whiter than modern Europeans.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  167. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Yes they can, see Brahmins are mixed, like all of us but they have more Central Asian (and maybe Jewish) DNA. Brahmins of South India can have black skin but on average Brahmins tend to be fairer and more Caucasoid looking than the population around them.

    • Replies: @Truth
  168. Malla says:
    @Robjil

    wear their skins for clothing;

    That is what they (falsely) blamed the Germans (& other Europeans during WW2) for doing!!!
    Lampshade from skin and soaps from fat. They truly project their own tendencies on their enemies. Disgusting.

    • Agree: Robjil
  169. @Anon

    Sure, 100% in the South.

    The Brahmin in the IT industry are from Bangalore or Tamil. A few are Northerners, generalizations have exceptions, but in general they are Malayalam. Dravidian.

    They are known as “Kallus” in the North-translated as “black-ass”.

    Bangalore was built by the IT industry and remissions.

  170. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    Many thanks for that utterly fascinating link. I shall try to find more from Bradley. It’s inevitable that the chances of objective truth being allowed to remain within the foundational science of anthropology is more or less zero. I recall remarking to a young girl from Slovenia who told me she was excited at the prospect of going to university to study the subject that she would not actually be allowed to indulge in anything resembling science, but would rather find herself being indoctrinated in a sort of fantasy world of ‘neo-science’, from which all objective truth had been carefully censored. I regret that I ;burst her bubble; rather, but I hope that she was at least forewarned as to the nature of her chosen discipline today.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  171. trickster says:
    @Ivan

    Look, these people are as dumb as the monkeys running around in the jungle. I see now Oprah is touting the white privilege thing. A black woman who made it to the top of the stack and is a billionaire is telling other blacks why the white man is holding them down. Scratch your head and shake your balls….or is that the other way around. Day by day it gets more and more bizarre.

    Now I consider myself a man of logic and reason. I say, no man can hold me down whether I am black, white or a half breed. The only person who can keep me suppressed is ………..ME !

    I know people who chose to lead a life of indolence some for 40+ years, never going to school, never trying to upgrade their skills, never trying to do their best and even better every single day, who then complain how life and “somebody” has cheated them.

    No matter what you tell these simpletons, they never get it. Implicitly or explicitly they feel life and the world OWES them and that without striving for anything the world and everyone should drop everything in their laps.

    The black man, out of all the races, is susceptible to this mentality, helped along by other blacks who encourage it and perpetuate it and no amount of counsel from a white man, a Jew, an Arab, a Chinaman or any other race can change that mentality.

    The majority of blacks are doomed to live in a hell of their own making.

  172. noname27 says: • Website

    Jews are not white, nor do they see themselves as white, so how could they be white supremacists?

  173. Truth says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Yes, I get it, but people seem so unhappy about poor, innocent white children(tm) being killed, I just thought that you would appreciate a website that details dozens of them.

    I guess you don’t give a shit though. So basically, your point of interest/concern in not a poor innocent white child ™, but a black man?

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  174. Truth says:
    @Malla

    And, one might add, the South Indian Brahmins, the World’s Smartest People ™, are much darker than the Aryan descendents ™ up north (from what I understand).

    • Replies: @Malla
  175. Truth says:
    @Malla

    The word “Aryan” was not even used in conjunction with European whites until the 19th century, so unless you have some evidence of Jews going to your home region to rabble-rouse before Christ was born this is just foolishness, Malla.
    o
    Secondly, there was no “civilization” in Europe, north of the Mediterranean before Christ anyway. It came afterwards, and according to a long-dead French noble, that’s why things are going to get very interesting over the next decade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Fran%C3%A7ois_de_Chasseb%C5%93uf,_comte_de_Volney

    • Replies: @Malla
  176. Mefobills says:
    @The Real World

    You are deflecting with comments like “tiresome and unproductive.”

    Go back and read some of the links on neanderthals, and you will understand that not including them in your grouping is a mistake in logic.

  177. @Tom Verso

    85/95% of the world’s Jews are Eastern European Khazar Jews whose ancestors converted to Satanic Babylonian Talmudic Judaism in the 8th century AD. The Eastern European Khazar Jews try to deny this in order to justify their bogus claim to Palestine. There is plenty of info on the internet about the history of the Khazars.

    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  178. Truth says:

    I know Truth, “black people are the real Jews and have a covenant with GOD and all that”. But some of the description of Jews in places like ancient Alexandria etc…. match Ashkenazi behaviour. Hey, maybe the evul White honkies/ Brown Ay-rabs have been walking around callin themselves “Jew-ISH” even before the Khazarian Empire woz born when the real Jews were in the pyramids of Egypt as black Pharoahs all along.

    m

    Now Malla, I respect your intellect and consider you a smart and curious individual, I have learned from your posts over the years.

    There is one thing that you have to understand though, and I don’t see how it can be disputed: There is no such thing as a well-read man who has not read, and ruminated over the Bible. It is the most popular, most successful and most influential book ever written and there is no #2. So the whole “Blacks are the real Jews” thing that you pooh-pooh, is the most important story, of the most important fraud, the planet has ever prouced (although the spinning-ball earth is up there, it also connects. with the bible).

    So my advice to you is to, well, buy the book and read it; and not for “gotcha” purposes, as is your nature, but for your own edification. And I don’t mean read a few verses off google either.

    It can only help you.

    • Replies: @Malla
  179. Malla says:
    @Truth

    My post was about the similarity of the behaviour of Jews before Christ and behaviour of Ashkenazi Jews in today’s day and age.
    The term Aryan here denotes the Greeks and European like civilization and culture. Jews behaved in a particular way with the Greeks of Alexandria and Ashkenazi Jews behave the same with American Whites. My point being that the Khazars most probably got a infusion of Semitic Jewish ancestry. It may not have been a simple conversion, there was genetic infusion.
    And Jews have some kind of Satanic hatred for European/White civilization and taste. It existed in the ancient past, it exists even now.

    The poster on Unz Dumbo pointed this out to me
    This study (by a Jewish scientist) a few years ago is about the Khazar hypothesis:
    https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/802/are-we-all-khazars-now/

  180. @Bert

    jews are HYPER-ethnocentric.

    jews engage in a practice of extreme ingroup preference called particularism……..good is what is good for the jews……and this is always very BAD for non-jews.

    Because of the jews’ rabid ingroup preference, coupled with massive wealth and power, outgroups/gentiles suffer miserably under jew rule.

    This is obvious stuff.

    judaism is a tribal/racial crime cult….it has nothing to do with the worship of a universal God.

    jews and muslims ran the slave trade for thousands of years until white men ended slavery.

    jews are currently running a psychological operation on the entire world in prep for the new world order of jewish international rule over all of humanity.

    White people, on the other hand, have literally no voice, no political determination, no organization, and in fact whites are not even allowed to defend themselves against physical attack.
    The marginalization of white people was deliberately orchestrated by the jewish elite, the money power that buys off and owns the political system.

    There is no such thing as white supremacy; the only real supremacy that exists is jewish supremacy.

    It’s tiresome to have to repeat things that should be fairly obvious, but it has to be done because of the shills and liars and idiots that spend every waking hour trying to divert attention away from the real culprits…..the small hat oligarchy that is wrecking the entire planet.

  181. Malla says:
    @Truth

    So the whole “Blacks are the real Jews” thing that you pooh-pooh, is the most important story,

    It was not about pooh poohing that, Truth. It is a possibility I consider but there are many competing theories. And I do respect the Bible even if I am Hindu, that book is deep.
    I made that point because you cannot seem to accept the Ashkenazis (Khazars) to have anything to do with Jews of the Bible.
    For me, at the genetic/spiritual level Ashkenazim behaviour matches the recorded behaviour of Jews in ancient times. That may be confusing from a black Israelite perspective. They might have been black once and became White by mixing, that is not important to me.

    • Replies: @Truth
  182. The Khazar theory is BS, another way to throw people off.

    KMAC and Duke say it’s horseshit.

    The Ashkenazi have jewish DNA for sure, with some European admixture.

    In any case, they say they are jews, they identify as jews, they behave as jews…..in other words they are viciously and rabidly ANTI-WHITE.

    That’s all you really need to know.

    They are the leaders of the worldwide movement to destroy and genocide white Christian people. So whether they are “real jews” or “fake jews” is immaterial……they are wrecking every white nation on earth.

    • Replies: @PolarBear
  183. Truth says:
    @Malla

    That may be confusing from a black Israelite perspective.

    You have said this multiple times, but I do not think you understand. I am not a Black Israelite, I am a logician, nothing more. The bible makes no sense, and I mean none from the viewpoint in which it is universally presented.

    These people whom you identify as Black Israelites, are clowns. They are what is called Pharisees in the bible. That means Jews who stick to Old Testament rules and have no undertanding of the symbology of Christ dying for them or what it meant. What is worse about these B.Is, and in fact WORSE than Judas and the other Jews who killed Jesus 2000 years ago, is that they have had 2,000 years to learn the truth. Their substitution of a system built on lies, with their own system built on lies is just silly.

    The Bible says that the Tribe of Judah (Jesus Tribe, and the eventual stewards of the world) will be loaded upon ships and sent into slavery for 4oo years. Slavery in America started in 1619 (really 1622) and it is now 2020, that is where all of this disturbance we have now is coming from. It is fated, expected, and unstopable.

    The Bible says that the “Jews” will face all sorts of financial harship. How could this be the Ashkenazi when they own everything? I could go on.

    • Replies: @Malla
  184. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Firstly South Indian or any brahmins are not the World’s smartest people. They are smart alrite, but far from the Smartest. The Anglos are way smarter then them.
    Let me gives a example.
    There is an ancient script in India, called the Brahmi script. Most Indians do not know about it but guess what, most of our ancient stone carvings of the time of Emperor Ashoka and the Buddhist period are in that script. Later as we have the Mughal Empire, Central Asian Uzbek/Uyghurs came in and created the Mughal Empire in India. The first Mughal Emperor & conqueror Babur was Semi-Mongoloid like most Central Asians today (Mughal is Persian for Mongol, after all). They married Persian and Indian Rajput princesses and became more Caucasoid looking. One such Emperor was Akbar, one of the greatest of the Mughals and though a Muslim, very tolerant.
    There is a Iron pillar from Emperor Asoka’s time with the strange and mysterious script. In those days we Indians had all but forgotten about Ashoka and our glorious Buddhist past, thanks to the Brahmins. So the new Mughal Emperor of India, Emperor Akbar was interested in the writings on that pillar (of an earlier Emperor Ashoka, more than a millennia ago) and thus called Brahmans from throughout India to come and help decipher the ancient script. The Brahmins went and saw it, farted all along, debated, looked into the holy books and after all that farting, failed. Yup failed. They could not decipher the script.

    Guess who could decipher the ancient script? Why those British officers of the East India Company. It is those officers of the EIC who deciphered that script and opened the window to the wonders of ancient India we Indians had ourselves forgotten. They helped us rediscover our history.
    So nah, Brahmens are not the smartest folk on earth. Nah. Anglos are way smarter than them.

    Anyways, all Brahmans and my caste,the Kayasthas have their origin in North India from the banks of the Ganges (my ancestral homeland). It is from here that they migrated to the ends of the subcontinent. So South Indian Brahmans originated from North India, from the region of my ancestral homeland. Bengal might have a much bigger Kayastha population than UP, but their ancestors had gone from here. South Indian Brahmins were migrants from North India who might have intermarried with the native Dravidian/tribal priestly caste women to form a new caste there. Besides in South India, Brahmans are a tinier part of the population than in North India, in South India, a much smaller part of the population are upper caste, most are lower caste. In UP in North India, the upper caste population is much larger. I was reading a work by Razib Khan and according to him, South Indian Brahmins went through much higher eugenic forces and pressures akin to Ashkenazim in Eastern Europe. Is that true? I do not know. You know the smartest had the most children and the like. As well as South Indian brahmens never felt the full force of the Islamic invasions and mass rapes and slavery that took place in the North. While it is true that the Brahmens eventually made “a deal” with the Islamic Mughal lords in the late Islamic period, in the earlier Islamic invasion days, Brahmins were particularly targeted by the invading Islamic hordes. Something South Indian Brahmens never experienced to the same level.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Jeff Stryker
  185. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Hu-We’re the Hu-world’s biggest little jew victims, and just like cancerous little jew cunts, Hu-we caucasoid cunt supremacists rush to defend our eternal caucasoid victimhood by denying our HuWhite racial culpability for the ceaseless caucasoid crimes committed by all the poor misunderstood Hu-wigger monsters. HU-WHY, oh HU-WHYYYYYYY, does the Hu-world hate us so for our highfalutin HuWhiter than HuWhite moral superiority that Hu-we HuWhite Hu-wiggers looooooooove to spew onto everyone!!!!!

    FIFY!

    Jared Taylor “HuWhite” Compilation:

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  186. Truth says:
    @Malla

    That may be, but in this case I am going strictly by the white man’s IQ studies, spearheaded by one white man in particular; Steve Sailer, who has said, in no uncertain terms, that the SIBs are the world’s most intelligent people.

    • Replies: @Malla
  187. anonymous[589] • Disclaimer says:

    YES….Its not White Supremacists they dont exist…WHO controls Black america sports arts cinema MUSIC, …??? who profits the most? who controls Africas gold, silver, copper, diamonds, OIL…?? Rap music its about a trillion$$ business where is the money??? PD JEWS financed the Southern Confederacy slavery and the KKK.

  188. @Truth

    Well, as Department of Justice statistics show, you’ve done a better job of murdering us over the last 100 years than we you. But, no, you’re point is well taken. Neither side is engaged in wholesale genocide. And that’s really the point, isn’t it?

    Because if one only reads the NYTimes and watches CNN one would be given the mistaken impression that whites are literally committing genocide against blacks. WE know that this isn’t true (you and I), but the average, innumerate citizen doesn’t. He/she has no frame of reference–and that’s, of course, just how the media and their owners want it.

    Having said that, this doesn’t excuse the terrible nature of black on white violence in America. Blacks cruelly torture innocent victims, and do so with glee.

    We see the same behavior in primitive people world wide; this ecstasy derived from the torture of animals. The correct conclusion is that blacks are still, in spite of 350 years of benevolent, loving white tutelage and compassionate sharing, very primitive hominids and that it’s likely that another one hundred or two will do little to change this state of affairs. Genetics runs deep, deeper than cultural conditioning.

    Cheers. And don’t go out and kill a “random” white person out of resentiment, okay?

    Attaboy.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @John Sinclair
  189. Tom Verso says:
    @John Sinclair

    85/95% of the world’s Jews are Eastern European Khazar Jews

    This can hardly be considered a ‘fact’ of history.

    Note that the first article that comes up on a Google search of “Khazar” is “Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry” and the first sentence:

    “Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry, often called the “Khazar myth”

    On a personal note, my graduate history education involved a modicum of historic demography. Based on that experience, I find it hard to believe that the necessary historic source documents (e.g. birth, death and marriage certificates, census data, etc.) exist that would allow one to come to a confident conclusion about the ‘Khazar hypothesis’.

    Nevertheless, more to the point your comment: it seems to me that while you are challenging my idea that Jews are White Semitic Middle Easterners, you are in fact supporting it.

    Even if you accept the notion that as you write: “85/95% of the world’s Jews are Eastern European Khazar Jews”; Khazars are essentially of the White race. They certainly are not Black or Yellow and they spoke a Turkic (White) language.

    Further, again even if we accept the “85/95%” theory, the Khazars totally and completely embraced and immersed themselves in the ancient Middles Eastern cultural roots of the Jews. For example, they accepted in total the ancient Middle Eastern teachings of the Torah and more importantly the Talmud.

    Importantly, per my thoughts about race and culture: the culture of the Jews TODAY derives and perpetuates the ancient Middle East origins of the Jews.

    The Jews be they Khazar, Sephardic, Ashkenazi are of the White Race and they are fully integrated into the ancient White Semitic Middle Eastern Culture.

    Most importantly, to my mind the Jews are crushing the history and culture European People in Western Civilization.

    For example, Jews introduce pornography into the 1920s movies that stood in stark contradiction with the values of the European people. Accordingly, the European Irish Catholics boycotted the movies and the Jews agreed to stop producing pornographic films, However, by the 1960s Jewish power had grown to allow them to ignore European values and sex and nudity were reintroduced into the films they produced (E Michael Jones has documented and discussed that culture clash in great detail in books, articles and YouTube).

    The point here is that the clash between the Jews and the Europeans had nothing to do with Race. Film is a cultural phenomenon. This was a cultural clash not racial.

    European people in the US and Europe have to begin challenging the Jews and reasserting European culture and values. Talk about racial difference plays into the hands of the Jewish cultural usurpers. We (Europeans) talk about race and they tear down our statues, rewrite our history and the curriculums that are taught to our children.

    I say stop talking about Race and take back our cultural heritage.

    …..
    Thank you for your reply to my comment.
    Socrates thought knowledge was gained by dialogue.

  190. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes

    cruelly torture innocent victims, and do so with glee.

    We see the same behavior in primitive people world wide;

    You wrote it, I didn’t…

    https://www.thefairdevil.com/articles/categories/murder

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  191. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Maybe these so called Jews are false “Jews” and not the Jews whom the bible is talking about (which could be blacks in the New World), the people who called themselves Jews in ancient Alexandria were false “Jews” too. Maybe the bible is talking about completely different people than these “Jews”. That is all I can say.
    And the thing is the Khazar theory works only for Ashkenazis not Sephardics and Mizrahis. At most Central Asian Jews or Caucasus Mountain Jews came from the Khazars along with the Ashkenazim. The Sephardics and Mizrahim under no circumstances came from the Khazars. The super wealthy Sassoon family who were big in the Opium China drug trade and a dock in Bombay is named after him, was Sephardic from Iraq.

    • Replies: @Truth
  192. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Maybe a highly selected group, most of them going via the IITs in India. They would have very high IQs. I would like to see what tests Sailer was referring to. Were the tests taken in random in India among Tam Brams? Or a highly selected group in the USA. Many years back we had this South Indian brahmin called Recman, blasting out all kind of self declared IQs of Indian castes B.S and giving superhigh IQs to his own caste. LOL Normal chest thumping Indian and especially Brahman behaviour. Anglos have contributed most to humanity in intellectual affairs, far more than SIBs but of course the global Anglo population is much more then SIBs.

    • Replies: @Truth
  193. @Robert Dolan

    Reality:

    jews and muslims ran the slave trade for thousands of years until white men ended slavery.

    Specifically as to black slaves, Arab Muslims went into the interior of the continent and bought Black African slaves from Black African tribes who captured them in conquest.

    By the tens of millions they marched their newly purchased black slaves across the desert back to Arabia after castrating the males at the outset. Most males bled to death en route. Black female slaves were used as concubines and their offspring killed at or before birth. Thus no descendants of black slaves in Arabia today.

    Arab Muslims also marched newly purchased black slaves to Africa’s West Coast then sold them for shipment to the New World on ships financed and/or owned by Jews. In the Americas Jews were the major brokers, auctioneers and owners of black slaves.

    White Christian abolitionists put an end to black slavery worldwide except where it is still practiced today in Arabia and Israel.

    Then the Jews and the Arab Muslims tell the black man he should hate whitey.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  194. @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    By the tens of millions they marched their newly purchased black slaves across the desert back to Arabia after castrating the males at the outset.

    Not quite accurate.

    Coptic monks were the ones performing castrations on slaves bound for Istanbul. It’s likely the work was farmed out to non-Muslims elsewhere as well, since ironically, castration is forbidden in Islam, so self-declared Muslims involved in the trade had to devise a self-deceiving rationale in order to meet the self-serving demand for eunuchs.

    In person, I’ve seen today’s sub-Saharan migrants desperate to find work and crowded into metropolitan areas of the Maghreb. Yes, there are more than a few rough bosses, but it’s certainly not the same as it was in the days of Abu Gerbe. Whatever the case, most aren’t interested in returning home, where life is obviously less comfortable.

  195. Truth says:
    @Malla

    You are absolutely right.

    The Mizrahim/Sephardim are not Khazars, nor are they particularly relevant in Israel anymore. I know one girl who is half-Sephardi (father) half-Khazar (mother) who was raized in Israel. She said that when her mother brought her fiancee home to meet her father, he said, in English (and he rarely spoke English, he was German by birth although he did live in the US for a short time) “why did you bring this nigger to my house?”

    In any event, the Sephardim, (as is a strong theory with which I agree) are Assyrians who were sent into Israel around 700 or so BC. They were sent by the Assyrian king in order to learn from the few elder Jews remaining, and to imitate them, therefore they were the world’s first JewISH tribe. This is covered in 2 Kings 17:23-41

    [MORE]

    23 until the Lord removed them from his presence, as he had warned through all his servants the prophets. So the people of Israel were taken from their homeland into exile in Assyria, and they are still there.

    Samaria Resettled
    24 The king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Kuthah, Avva, Hamath and Sepharvaim and settled them in the towns of Samaria to replace the Israelites. They took over Samaria and lived in its towns. 25 When they first lived there, they did not worship the Lord; so he sent lions among them and they killed some of the people. 26 It was reported to the king of Assyria: “The people you deported and resettled in the towns of Samaria do not know what the god of that country requires. He has sent lions among them, which are killing them off, because the people do not know what he requires.”

    27 Then the king of Assyria gave this order: “Have one of the priests you took captive from Samaria go back to live there and teach the people what the god of the land requires.” 28 So one of the priests who had been exiled from Samaria came to live in Bethel and taught them how to worship the Lord.

    29 Nevertheless, each national group made its own gods in the several towns where they settled, and set them up in the shrines the people of Samaria had made at the high places. 30 The people from Babylon made Sukkoth Benoth, those from Kuthah made Nergal, and those from Hamath made Ashima; 31 the Avvites made Nibhaz and Tartak, and the Sepharvites burned their children in the fire as sacrifices to Adrammelek and Anammelek, the gods of Sepharvaim. 32 They worshiped the Lord, but they also appointed all sorts of their own people to officiate for them as priests in the shrines at the high places. 33 They worshiped the Lord, but they also served their own gods in accordance with the customs of the nations from which they had been brought.

    34 To this day they persist in their former practices. They neither worship the Lord nor adhere to the decrees and regulations, the laws and commands that the Lord gave the descendants of Jacob, whom he named Israel. 35 When the Lord made a covenant with the Israelites, he commanded them: “Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them. 36 But the Lord, who brought you up out of Egypt with mighty power and outstretched arm, is the one you must worship. To him you shall bow down and to him offer sacrifices. 37 You must always be careful to keep the decrees and regulations, the laws and commands he wrote for you. Do not worship other gods. 38 Do not forget the covenant I have made with you, and do not worship other gods. 39 Rather, worship the Lord your God; it is he who will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies.”

    40 They would not listen, however, but persisted in their former practices. 41 Even while these people were worshiping the Lord, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their ancestors did.

    You see, they learned from Jews, and attempted to immitate Jews, but it all went south because in the days pre-Christ, only Jews had the covenant of God (not exactly true but will suffice here). It was the crucifixion of Jesus that opened the door for everyone else.

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  196. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Send Steve an email, he is pretty good about responding.

  197. Truth says:
    @Robert Dolan

    You see Bob Dole, that video says it all: Who says whites and blacks can’t come together to work on important issues?

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  198. PolarBear says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Duke made a good video about it. I believe some Ashkenazis have a little Khazar blood and Duke gave the exact documented amount. It’s not a nail in the coffin for Jews though. To sweep all Ashkenazis under the Khazar rug is like trying to fit a glass slipper on an ugly stepsisters fat foot. The anti-White label fits media Jews like glass slippers on Cinderellas feet.

  199. @Truth

    I don’t get it. We’re talking about interracial crime, on the preponderance of black on white vs. white on black violence and you show me some pictures of crackers who preyed on each other. And as even you must know, blacks kill each other at a much higher rate than do whites, indeed, at a much higher rate than does any and everyone else in the world.

    Sorry, swing and a miss. You whiffed.

    Now be considerate enough to change your moniker. You defile your namesake. Don’t groidize everything. (Orwell called it the negrification of European civilization) Try to have at least a little couth.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Malla
  200. @Truth

    Why not add an “LOL?”

    Isn’t that what little girls do?

    • Replies: @Truth
  201. @Truth

    You’re arguing with a straw man of your own design.

    After (((fake news))) hailed fentanyl floyd as The New Messiah, it ignored Cannon Hinnant’s senseless murder.

    The punchline of it all is you are going to miss Whitey being in charge, with his dumbassed, suicidal pathological altruism. Mexy doesn’t care for Blacks, and has zero guilt about it.

    • Replies: @Truth
  202. @anon

    I appreciate the effort that went into your rant.

    Pro-HuWhite is awwl-right.

  203. @Z-man

    Iran means land of the Aryans. If you search for some sayings of the King Darius I he mentions he is an Aryan. Not only that, northern Indians are Aryans too when they invaded India 3000ish years ago.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  204. Why Are Jews Leading The Alt-Right & ‘White’ Nationalist Movements?

    Because Zionism was the first racially supremacist movement in recorded history. According to the 4000 year old Jewish Torah, Israel is a racial bloodline of savage colonialists descended from Abram that considered themselves superior to all other life forms, just like white or black supremacists. It is the oldest form of racism known to man.

    Jesus saved people from this racist mentality:

    7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
    8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the *promise* that are counted for the seed. Romans 9:7-8
    29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the *promise.* Galatians 3

    Christ, by turning away from the primitive genetic superiority “of the flesh” espoused by Judaism, created a religious movement based on faith and spirit;

    • Agree: Katrinka
  205. Rarely do articles here give me pause. This is one such article.

  206. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I don’t think you understand, Old Sport. It really doesn’t seem that complicated, but I will try again, this time with visual aids:

    You claimed to be concerned about the welfare of cute innocent white children ™. So tell me, if this cute innocent white child ™…

    …Is murdered, what difference does it make to you who did it? Because, let me tell you, EVERY statistic I have ever read (and yes I mean EVERY one) indicates to me that if one of these…

    [MORE]

    …Is murdered, it is MUCH more likely to be by one of these…

    Than by one of these…

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-

    NwOlihKW1TA/UU0AgMGBQPI/AAAAAAAAMfk/SmmHYkMvmM4/s1600/GA+De%E2%80%99Marquise+Elkins+2013+3-22.jpg

    So judging by your respone, what you really care about is these…

    More than these…

    So who cares (in your mind) who is killing these…

    When you do not even care about these…

    I really don’t know how I can make this more simple Old Sport, I still do not think you will get it, but I tried.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  207. Truth says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    After (((fake news))) hailed fentanyl floyd as The New Messiah, it ignored Cannon Hinnant’s senseless murder.

    OK Old Sport, I have an extremely complicated and intricate solution for you that probably requires at least a Masters in Applied Math to understand, but I will run it by you anyway…

    Stop watching the fucking news, Dumbshit!

    It’s all brainwashing meant to control your emotions. I haven’t had a TV in almost 3 years and don’t miss it.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  208. vot tak says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    I’ll take that projection style response (typical zionazi-gay websayanim sort, btw) as a yes answer to my original question shlomo.

    If you don’t have porcine features* I would suggest hiring a plastic surgeon.

    *

    • Troll: Sick of Orcs
  209. Homer says:

    “ According to scholars, businesses showed their ideological solidarity with the racial terrorists by choosing names beginning with three K’s, and several Jewish merchants are found following that custom, especially in Klan strongholds: Kaufman’s Kampus Klothes, Kaufman’s Kosher Kafe, Harry Karp’s Kool Kwality Klothes, and Kadetz Kosher Kafe. In Columbia, South Carolina, there was Kohn’s Korrect Klothes and in Boise, Idaho, Kirshbaum’s Klever Klothes.”

    Don’t forget this one:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=7KNtWrC7vfI

  210. Malla says:
    @Truth

    why did you bring this nigger to my house?”

    Yes that is right, in the early days of Israel, Mizrahim were treated like 2nd class citizen. Called Kushim. But that has ended now and most Israelis are a mixture of Ashkenazim and Mizrahim. Now it is the Falasha who face discrimination.

    • Replies: @Truth
  211. Malla says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Dude, Blacks and Whites were never meant to live with each other. It is better to separate. The experiment failed as it was meant to. White people especially Nords are not meant to live with other races including Jews, it does not work. Maybe East Asians upto some extent. Whites are the people “who shall dwell alone”. It is not about White superiority but the nature of the racial souls of different races. All other races will fight each other, mega tribe vs mega tribe, it is human nature, but White people are meant to live amongst their own. A people who shall dwell alone. The “White Man’s burden”ideology failed. It is too big a burden. White people have wasted too much time and energy both positive and negative on other races. It is time to spend it your own. All that money you spent on darkies if spend on your own race, you might have had cities on Mars right now.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @vot tak
  212. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Sephardim are genetic jews.

    More likely Berber.

  213. @Truth

    Statistics, Truth, statistics. Evidently, math escapes you.

    You’re out in a life boat along with 21 other passengers. Your Mother ship has sunk. You’re alone on a wide expanse of featureless sea. Which way should you go? Where lies safety?

    Even if you knew, you wouldn’t know how to pilot the boat to get there. Which way is north? What is your latitude?

    You and the rest of the crew are frightened. And when you realize how lost you really are, how out of your element you are, you panic. Panicking, you fight for control of the tiller, desperate to turn the boat in the direction in which your blind instincts tell you to go. You, the rabble, fight among yourselves, each insisting that you should steer the boat. You are democratic man. Ruled by your emotions, you will steer now this way and then that, flitting about aimlessly because you have no pole star to guide you. Blind, you believe that all are blind as you are.

    But there are some who know where the boat is and how to steer her to where she needs to go; the Navigator and the Pilot. The Navigator is trained in math, and understands the underlying reality behind the apparent motion of the Sun, Moon, planets and Stars. With his ephemeris tables, accurate chronometer and sextant he can find the position of your tiny craft on the infinite sea. And the pilot is well versed in steering the ship, in maintaining a course that takes into account currents, waves and wind.

    Above the entrance to Plato’s Academy was a sign reading, “Let no one ignorant of geometry enter.”

    Black people don’t get it. The suck at math, so they aren’t admitted into the Academy. Being ignorant of geometry means that they will always be excluded from what must appear to be magic when they see the White Navigator and Pilot do their thing. Because he is ignorant and willful, black man will insist that his viewpoint is equal to theirs. He will forcefully insist on this, even to the point of murdering them when they resist and try to explain to him that they really know stuff that he doesn’t.

    From all available evidence, not only will he murder those who know more than he does, but he will destroy the boat as well, completely heedless of the fact that in doing so he is sealing his own doom in the process.

    Whatareyagonnado? No Limit Niggas gotta nig. It’s all they got.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Truth
  214. antibeast says:
    @JohnPlywood

    “We wuz Aryanz n Shiet!”

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @BloodSpirit
  215. vot tak says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I used the troll label because there isn’t the better fitting label of zio-faggot troll.

    • LOL: Truth
  216. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Dude, Blacks and Whites were never meant to live with each other

    t

    Well neither were whites and Indians, Big Mallz; you think Nigel and Henry were happy about Ghandi opening up for youse to ride?

    Ultimately though, it’s been OK, right?

    • Replies: @Malla
  217. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes

    OK.

    84% of Honkees are still murdered by Honkees.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  218. vot tak says:
    @Malla

    A white supremacist “Indian”. LOL, what next, israel?

    • Replies: @Malla
  219. vot tak says:
    @antibeast

    LOL, pot bellies and manboobs.

    • Replies: @BloodSpirit
  220. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Not exactly.

    Just because Askenazi hate the Pallies, and the Ethios, does not mean they like their fellow Jewish.

    I was in Israel in 2015, The Khazars are just sort of rude and divided by nature. It is rare to get on a bus, or sit on a hotel lobby without a loud argument breaking out.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  221. Malla says:
    @vot tak

    How is that White SUPREMACY? Living with your own kind is supremacy? And many non Whites prefer to live within their own kind.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  222. Malla says:
    @Truth

    LOL Truth, you did not read my post correctly. It is not only Blacks, Whites should live apart from All others. I would say we Hindus would be even worse in a White society then Blacks. Superficially it may not seem like so as we Hindus are a low crime model minority but we Jew like (oops sorry Khazar like) Hindus would eventually undermine White societies worse then Blacks,.
    Actually White folks get along better with Blacks than us Indians/Pakistanis and Middle Easterners even if we both are fellow Caucasoids and genetically closer. That is how it is in the UK for example. Both Subsaharan Blacks and Whites are physically the strongest races and love sports more than other races. Both Northern Whites and Sub-sahahran Blacks are not clannish like us especially South Asians and Middle Easterners. Even the mercantile Ibos did not seem to me being so clannish (like Lebanese, Indians, Armenians etc..). Tho some Southern Med Euros and Horner Blacks like the Somalis can be quite clannish.

    • Replies: @BloodSpirit
  223. @Malla

    Your Aryan ancestors were Slavs and Slavs are intelligent people. Higher castes have the same blood group as Slavs and probably originated in the Ukraine/Black Sea.

    As for evolutionary pressure, the Aryan who got to India were already bottleneck IQ.

    As for deal-making, Brahmin are born compradors-with Huns, Mughals, English, whoever.

    They are today in UAE with Arabs.

    • Replies: @Malla
  224. @ThreeCranes

    As the saying goes:”You can take the savage out of Africa, but you can’t take Africa out of the savage.”

  225. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Ironically, unlike what that AlJazeera video claims, Mizrahim tend to vote for anti-Palestinian right winged parties like Likud and Ashkenazi are more left winged. Not surprising as Jews/khazars played a big part in Left winged movements in Europe and USA. Indeed some of the first Ashkenazim to Israel were leftards who started Kibbutz collective farms all across Israel. The Mizrahim are actually more anti-Arab!!!! Something an Al jazeera MSM video will never mention.

    Why do Mizrahim generally vote right and Ashkenazim left?

    Especially check out the 2nd video at 7:00 minutes to 10:50 minutes, Israeli couple Paul (Ashkenazim) and his wife Dikkla (Mizrahim from Morocco). Very interesting.
    At times the Mizrahim are more anti-Arab than the Ashkenazim.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Truth
  226. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Also check this out

    German Israelis (Ashkenazim literally Ashkenazim as Ashkenaz=Germany) have very little to do with German culture anymore. This is the same with Polish Israelis (videos on youtube) or Russian Israelis.

    Mizrahim, Iraqi Israelis are more in touch with their Arab roots in food and culture. There are similar videos on Moroccan, Yemeni, Egyptian Israelis.
    The truth is Jews are a population in between Middle Easterners and Europeans in nature, Ashkenazim more European and Mizrahim more Middle Eastern, but their overall nature is still closer to Middle Easterners than Europeans. That is why they felt as aliens in Europe. There are and always have been problems in between Jews and Arabs/Persians etc… but Jews, even Ashkenazim Jews felt more alienated in Europe. European goyim nature in general especially Northern European racial soul nature is very different from the Ashkenazim soul. Even though as individuals you will get many Jews who identify very close with Europe but they are a minority.

  227. Ponder says:

    The truth is that the human race is a savage race with minor exceptions here and there like eskimos, pygmy of the kalahari etc. That is why, they all require laws and policing to curb the criminality within; our barbarism. No laws, no order.
    Here at unz, many white supremacists like to attack the black race as extremely violent. But in truth the white race is the most violent of all races

    • Slavery
    • Colonialism
    • Neo-colonialism
    • World wars started by whites against fellow whites
    • Support capitalism and international law when it benefits them and repudiate it when its disadvantageous to them e.g. hobbling Japan and now China when they cannot compete in a free and fair environment.

    White race is always accepted by native populations once they initially set foot as explorers and/or missionaries. They gently encroach even participating in peace treaties until they gain a proper foothold and then boom the genocide begins: examples include the red Indians of the Americas, the Africans in africa, aborigines of Australia etc. If the natives were such savages, why did they not wipe them out on first contact when the newcomers are very few and vulnerable? Because they believed in law and honor; keep your word. The white race is the teacher of weasling and deception of contracts at nation state magnitude; trucebreakers, contractbreakers etc. No wonder they need legalisation that aims at trying to cover all angles against violations and it still isn’t enough to curb fraud and conning. Always looking at avoiding meeting their side of the bargain/ not agreement capable. Which leads to conflicts and war.

    The mighty white race cannot compete with China without plunder. It has always been thus. They get ahead through plunder, slavery and colonialism. Take those away, and they cannot compete on a level playing field.

    Always remember, the genocider of the human race likes to project their megalomania on others. Presently, nearly all conflicts are initiated by the western world, either directly or indirectly; Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, in the Americas, middle east, Eurasia etc. They harness the point which I started with at the beginning, that all humans are barbaric. It just depends on the magnitude and ferocity of their barbarism. The white race takes the crown. They are number 1 on that.

    • Replies: @Jaime
    , @Malla
  228. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Not exactly.

    Yes exactly

    [MORE]

    Arab Jews/Mizrahim: Are you Arab?

    Arab Jews/Mizrahi Israelis: If you were Ashkenazi (European Jews), would your life be easier?

    Mizrahim/Arab Jews: do you get offended when someone calls you Arabs?

    Mizrahim/Arab Jews: Do you blame Zionism for your suffering?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  229. A.K.Patal says:
    @JWalters

    Brilliant. Could not have put it better!

  230. Ponder says:

    Legislation not legalisation. Spell checker trying to outsmart my meaning.

  231. Franz says:
    @Mefobills

    You may find Michael Bradley interesting.

    Yes!

    I almost missed this.

    I actually have a copy of Bradley’s The Iceman Inheritance (original Canadian paperback) along with his later stuff, including The Cronus Complex and The Rise of Esau’s Empire.

    MB’s emphasis on the sexual maladaption of Caucasus males following the Ice Age was covered in Chosen People From the Caucasus, the book that effectively shadow-banned Mike forever. I miss him. His health had been failing for quite awhile before he died, and it was his minders who decided to pull the free articles he’d displayed earlier on his site.

    His notes in what he called “the Cronus Complex” has Jewish time-awareness as a major trait. Since it comes with both heredity and upbringing, I’m guessing it’s chicken-and-egg. They were never slaves in Egypt but carry a grudge to this day… Bradley’s argument that directing hate “outward” towards all others from an early age causes a brain change. Often emotionally damaging but creates a serious in-group bound, almost a sort of Stockholm Syndrome from the cradle.

    It’s the love-hate relationship that shows up in Jewish comedy, like early Woody Allen movies though I’m not recommending them. I saw a few. It’s like he can’t stand being around his people but he always goes back.

    If Jewish psychotherapists ever declare Whiteness a mental disorder, and they’re getting real close, we can use some of Bradley’s notes to declare Judaism a form of genetic lunacy. Tit for tat.

  232. GeeBee says:
    @GeeBee

    UPDATE: I completed reading the Michael Bradley link you posted, and by the time I’d finished I have to confess that alarm bells were ringing all over my head. For a start, he makes the most astonishing statements and then fails to back them up with either evidence or source notes. He assumes for himself a sort of all-encompassing and esoteric knowledge not only of anthropology (the subject that I gathered from the start was his forte, and which I was looking forward to reading) but also of history and religion.

    I have seen other websites designed like his before, and they are always dodgy, so I googled him and, among other things, learned that ‘Bradley is a conspiracy theorist, who believes that…all the evil in the world emanates from a very violent group of people (proved by DNA testing) the descendants of the Neanderthals – Jews of course’ and that ‘He believes that the Jews stole African heritage in the bible and that it was Africans who discovered America’. If he is indeed half Jew himself, he’ll be laughing all the way to the bank having duped the gullible goyim into parting with their shekels to buy his books.

    Hmmm….

  233. @Rick Derris

    Do they know Mohammed had the hots for a 6 or 9 year old girl (depending on the source)?

    The ultimate source is Quran. According to the Quran this wife of Prophet (saws) is a liar and destined for hell. The source for me is complete chapter 66 of the Quran. You can Google it.

    Prophet on his deathbed asked for Pen and Paper to write about his successor. Long story short, he was told that you are delirious under fever and for us only the Book of Allah (Quran) is sufficient therefore we don’t need your Sunnah. Basically, creating a doubt on the Prophethood. While the body of the Prophet was still warm and not buried yet, Islam was hijacked and all the Traditions (Hadiths) were burned under the slogan, “we only need Quran”. The Quran was put together by the third Caliph in an unreadable as it was in the Old Arabic and not Quranic Arabic and the rest of the Quran were burned. This Quran till today is not in chronological order, neither chapter wise nor verse-wise.

    A narration means the Prophet narrated something, and not someone singing their own songs. A Shahabi means a Muslim (male or female) who has met the Prophet in his lifetime, no matter how brief. It is the belief of majority Muslims a Shahabi, no matter how evil will not dare narrate a false hadith from the Prophet. Even though the Quran calls some of the Shahabi liars, hypocrites and so forth. The meaning of hypocrite is, “a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs

    250 years later these narrations were collected by chain of narrators. Everyone was critically looked at in the chain of narrators, except the Shahabi as the belief that that Shahabi will not lie narrating the Prophet’s hadiths, even the Quran calls some of them hypocrites. So, all these narrations are from this supposedly child wife signing her own songs. Even if the narration of the supposedly child wife is from Prophet, it will be unacceptable as this woman in Quran is called liar and destined for hell. And, the Quran calls some of the Shahabi hypocrites.

  234. @AnonStarter

    Aisha (ra): The Case for an Older Age in Sunni Hadith Scholarship

    Salam brother,

    We have been through diplomatically in the past that the above is not true that the Prophet (saws) married Aisha in the tenth year of Prophetic mission and it virtually false!

    [MORE]

    Summary of the research

    The preferred opinion based on numerous evidences is that ʿĀisha was born four years before the prophetic mission. And that the Messenger ﷺ contracted marriage with her in the tenth year of the prophetic mission when she was fourteen years old and three years before the migration. And he ﷺ consummated the marriage with her near the end of the first year after the migration when she was almost eighteen years old.

    The above is virtual impossibility and it demeans both the Prophet and his first beloved wife Khadijah (as). Every Muslim knows that the Prophet with his family in Mecca were under house arrest for three years and almost starved to death. Prophet’s uncle and his wife Khadijah died almost at the same time. The Prophet then considered his life is now in pearl as his protector, his uncle Abu Talib was no longer alive to protect him. So, the Prophet during the night he left Imam Ali (as) asleep in his bed and under the cover of darkness left for Medina.

    The Prophet with his family under house arrest was cut off from his very few adherents, especially the father of Aisha who left for Africa. Prophet was married to Khadijah for 27 years and all this time she was his only wife. Some say Prophet was 25 years old, when he married Khadijah who was then 40 years old, twice widowed with children. Others say she few years older than the Prophet and wasn’t married before. The controversy about this continues till today.

    It is impossible while the Prophet was under house arrest with Khadijah and his children, they all starving to contemplate to contract another marriage let alone that he contracted marriage with Aisha in the tenth year of the prophetic mission when she was fourteen years old and three years before the migration. This is very demeaning to the Prophet, his children and his beloved lone wife for 27 years.

    The minority belief is that Aisha was 35 years old and divorcee, so I wouldn’t argue with you about she being a child when the Prophet married her. See my reply to Rick Derris’ post #100. Imagine Khadijah age is described when she married to being 40 years and twice widowed with children vs she was 27 years old and never married before. The age difference is 13 yeas (40-27), with either two marriages and children and no marriage at all.

    It is the majority Muslims belief all the Hadith which are certified as Sahih are “True and Correct” without any doubt. If you refute Aisha’s Hadiths from these Sahih Books, then you are opening a Pandora Box (can of worms) regarding the majority’s belief regarding the Sahih Books.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  235. @AnonStarter

    Quite accurate:

    (Interview of John Alembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam In Africa(2001)).

    What went on beyond Arabia into Turkey is beyond the scope of the comment to which you responded.

    But just as the video’s narrator states in his comments introducing the author, blaming Christians for wrongs committed by Arab Muslims has duped many in the West.

    Count on the reality that those slandering Christians to dupe others are Jew or Arab Muslim.

  236. @Malla

    Between South Asians and Middle Easterners, who’s more indbred or clannish??

    • Replies: @Malla
  237. Jaime says:
    @Ponder

    Among the least warring and genocidal groups are whites.
    Just have a look at a real Chinese menu sometime. Dog, cat, even human children.
    J ews as a race, are far more cruel, as are blacks.
    Guilt? Nope. Not having it. Nice try though.

    • Replies: @Ponder
  238. @vot tak

    A racial adaptation to the cold North. The lack of clothes an adjustment to Southern warmth.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  239. Northern Euros were meant to workout a lot more though, many lost this in America and became fatties.

  240. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    Lots of good and accurate comments by you on this thread Malla regarding Israelis.

    1) Ashkenazi and Mizrahi don’t really matter anymore. Everyone is a mix.

    2) Jews from Arab and Muslim lands know the Muslim mentality much better and so are much more anti-Arab than Jews from Europe. They know what kind of people they are dealing with.

    3) Ashkenazi used to be very left wing – which should make it clear that Jewish Leftism in the West is not some plot to undermine non-Jews. I remember how suicidally left wing so many Ashkenazi Jews are in the 90s, and it almost led to the destruction of Israel when Israel made serious concessions and the Arabs – predictably – saw that as weakness and attacked, trying to take it all.

    Good news is, Ashkenazi Jews have moved much more to the right, and no one in Israel believes in the crazy left wing ideas of the 90s and no one really dreams of or cares about peace anymore. It will come when it will come – and there is a growing sense that the Arabs need peace more than the Israelis do. So a hard reality check can in fact cure crazy Europeans.

    4) While some Ashkenazi Jews are very European, most are very dissimilar to northern Europeans – even those that are blond and European in appearance. And temperamentally are more southern European – for instance, Israelis love good food and are very outgoing and social, unlike northern Euros. They love to chill outdoors in cafes late into the night. In Jerusalem and Tel Aviv street cafes will be filled with young people at 1 AM, similar to Spain. And they are more chaotic and freewheeling and don’t care about rules and regulations like the northern Euros.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  241. Tom Verso says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “they (Jews) are NOT Middle Eastern Semites.

    In the 2,000 year history of the Jewish people since their wanderings began after their failed revolt against the Romans; no doubt many different ethnics were incorporated into what I call the “Jewish Nation” (i.e. worldwide Jewry) .

    Thus, the distinction between Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Kazans, etc.

    However, all the various people who came to be associated as Jews adopted in total and passionately committed to the ancient Jewish identity, traditions and semitic language. Thus for example all Jews accept the Torah and Talmud history and teachings. All Jews identify with the ancient history and constantly and repeatedly refer to the various historic events and people as the source of their identity. (“ALL’ understood in the statistical sense of ‘most likely’.)

    Whatever various anthropological ethnic variations there are to found in the evolution of today’s ‘Jewish Nation’, the roots of Jewish religion, ideology, morality, identity, etc. can be traced to the ancient Middle Eastern Semitic people.

    While historic anthropological and genetic discussion is interesting and important academically, the reality of what Europeans culturally are in conflict with is the culture of a Middle Eastern Semitic people.

    …..
    Thank you for your reply to my comment.
    Socrates thought knowledge could be gained by dialogue

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  242. @AaronB

    Aren’t Ashkenazi Jews descended from Romans in part?

    What is all this nonsense about “Khazars”? What country was that in? Why did Romans chronicle the post-Hadrian diaspora and yet supposedly all Jews are descended from these so-called Khazar.

    Is this Khazar-theory a crock of [email protected]?

    To me, Ashkenazi Jews seem to resemble Italians. And vice versa.

    It would seem to be that Jews had particularly close relationships to Armenians, Italians and Hungarians in particular.

    And there aren’t many non-Ashkenazi in the US and never were. A few Polish Jews in America trace their ancestry back to Spain prior to the King’s invitation, but even that seem like romanticism.

    As far as Jews resembling Southern Europeans, doesn’t everyone from the Mediterranean bear some similarity from Spain to Cyprus? Why wouldn’t Jews act Southern European since they’re Mediterranean.

    I also have to ask if the rigidity of Northern Europeans is not the reason why they are not seemingly tanking faster than Southern Europeans.

    I mean, probably only Northern Europeans or those descended from them could have daughters who were exploited by Epstein because Northern European societies are high-trust and not clannish so when society starts to deteriorate the Northern Euro becomes a litmus test. For some reason, Pakistanis are unable to groom little Jewish girls. I’m sure Epstein would have been satisfied exploiting Jewish girls in Queens, except he couldn’t. Jews are too clannish.

    This may have something to do with the Anglo-Saxon preoccupation with individualism and self-sufficiency. Clint Eastwood riding off into the sunset. Clannishness works much better in a democracy because a clan can easily tilt the system, a lone wolf cannot.

    As a Gentile, I genuinely curious what insights an actual Ashkenazi might have into this. Is there any genetic memory of Rome and mass conversions? Probably not.

    But you tell me.

    Why do Jews resemble Italians physically? By and large, I mean.

    Why are Jewish children less likely to be exploited or manipulated or neglected (Which is why we have underage laws to begin with, to protect children of course, but Jews seem insulated)? Is this another Zionist conspiracy?

    Why do geneticists show no indication of a Central Asian origin and Jews most resemble Italians and Syrians in DNA?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Malla
  243. Malla says:
    @BloodSpirit

    In my opinion, even though we have the infamous caste system, I would say Middle Easterners are more clannish than us. Modernized Westernised South Asians who are not much into caste anymore tend to lose their clannishness faster than Middle Easterners. However some mercantile populations like gujratis, Marwaris, Sindhis etc… remain quite clannish despite Westernisation.

    • Thanks: BloodSpirit
  244. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    Thanks.

    Everyone is a mix.

    yup that is what I was explaining to Truth. That anti-Mizrahim discrimination did exist in the past but has reduced a lot today. More or less non-existent.

    which should make it clear that Jewish Leftism in the West is not some plot to undermine non-Jews.

    Hopefully but not so sure about that. Lets hope.

    And temperamentally are more southern European

    Yes, that has been my observation as well but there are few Ashkenazi Jews who tend to go Nordic in nature. There was an Ashkenazi Jewish guy here on Unz who said he identified more with WASPs. One commentator on unz was talking about a hyper-Anglophile Jewish professor of English who converted to Anglicanism. Though most Ashkenazim are Med like, a small number go full Nord. There are exceptions.

  245. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    But in truth the white race is the most violent of all races

    • Slavery

    Slavery was common throughout the World. It was the white race which banned and outlawed slavery and used their navies to enforce this ban on non Whites.

    • Colonialism

    Empire building has been going on from the beginning of time. There in nothing unique about European Empires except maybe the scale of conquests. In many cases European Empires were far more benign than the native empires who existed before them who were far more ruthless and brutal.

    • Neo-colonialism

    Again, bullshit excuse to blame YT. Many ex-colonies turned out failure because of their own internal factor and they have their blame YT disease, havta blame YT somehow. Many post colonial nations like India, Indonesia, Nigeria, Sudan, Myanmar, Bangladesh etc…. have themselves behaved as imperialists and brutally suppressed independence movements in their territories.

    • World wars started by whites against fellow whites

    Do not forget the Japanese and Chinese in WW2 and the Ottomans in WW1. And there was a lot of things behind the scenes which led to the World Wars.

    • Support capitalism and international law when it benefits them and repudiate it when its disadvantageous to them e.g. hobbling Japan and now China when they cannot compete in a free and fair environment.

    Yup this I agree. But India did the same to China as well as it could not compete, closed off its markets.

    Because they believed in law and honor; keep your word.

    Nope they did not. Many natives were weaselly and backstabbers. You must live in the Third World sometimes, backstabbing is very common.

    The white race is the teacher of weasling and deception of contracts at nation state magnitude; trucebreakers, contractbreakers etc.

    Nope the opposite is the truth. Backstabbing, lying and cheating is far more common in Third Worlders than among Westerners.

    The mighty white race cannot compete with China without plunder. It has always been thus. They get ahead through plunder, slavery and colonialism.

    This is the dumbest bullshit. White race came up because of the Industrial Revolution. if they were plundering all around why did millions of White people have to go down mines and work in factories? Also China too will be called a plunderer in the future by the darkies. That is the nature of the darkies. They already are.

    PLO LUMUMBA SPEAKS OUT ON CHINA’S LATEST ‘COLONISATION’ OF AFRICA.

    Now the Chinese will go through what the Europeans went through. Maybe now the YTs can relax a bit as China goes to darkie world and soon darkie world hatred and bitching and complaining will be directed at China.
    There was a time when Britain was highly respected in the Arab world but with time Britain (partly because of Zionism) became the bad guy and America was the new good guy on the block. Now America is the bad guy and China is the new respected power in the Middle East. Soon China will be…..

    • Replies: @Ponder
    , @Ponder
  246. AaronB says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Yes, Ashkenazi are literally half Italian.

    No, there is no memory of that among Ashkenazi, but it is a fact that in NYC Italians and Jews sometimes got along – but also fought a lot. Jews are from northern Italy, I think, not the Sicilian south.

    As for the whole high trust thing, you’re free to disagree but I don’t buy into the whole genetic thing about whites. I know too much history. English judges in the 1600s were notoriously corrupt and bribery was rife – read Daniel Defoe – and Europeans were incredibly clannish and racist as late as the 19th century. Muslims were writing about how the Crusaders couldn’t accept anyone’s ethnicity but their own and didnt share the ethnic tolerance of local Islamic culture, and the British in India were incredibly racist and socially exclusivist against the locals. Pick up a Dickens novel and you will see that English society was full of conniving cheats (and not just the Jew Fagin).

    One can write a history of white racism and clannishness and deviousness and you will see it is no different than that of other races. It’s not any worse, don’t get me wrong – and whites are distinguished by trying to overcome racism and clannishness the most in modern times.

    The odd idea that whites were these naive trusting “beta” losers throughout history is a strange one to be embraced by the alt-right – its ahistorical and insulting.

    The problem with this whole HBD narrative about high trust naive altruistic whites is the problem with most HBD narratives – they are ahistorical. Kevin McDonald evidently isn’t aware of the Enlightenment and the Romantic revolution and blames Jews for the critique of traditional Western culture. He simply isn’t aware of history – he doesn’t know that many white authors hated European civilization because they thought technology made things ugly.

    What changed is culture.

    White girls are getting groomed by trashy Pakistanis now because of the degradation of European culture and civilization.

    Europeans invented the Enlightenment – the critique of everything through reason. So now they have no defenses any more. They’ve critiqued their culture out of existence.

    If Jews adopted this, and some have, it would be the exact same thing. I mentioned how in the 90s suicidal Left wing Ashkenazi Jews almost destroyed Israel. They were in the thrall of Enlightenment ideas.

    These kinds of Jews would probably raise daughters who would be susceptible to abuse and manipulation.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Malla
  247. C3PO says:

    Ask a Jew if they are White. It’s NOT White Supremacy it’s Jewish Supremacy

  248. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Italian Yid are Khazars who invaded Italy via Germany.

  249. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    But you know what, compared to Mizrahi Jews and Arabs, Ashkenazi Jews do stand out European like.

    Palestinians: Do you see a difference between Mizrahi and Ashkenazi Israelis?
    Very interesting.
    Especially the two Palestinian guys at 6:30 minutes. One Palestinian dude prefers interacting with Mizrahi Israelis while the other guy prefers Ashkenazi Israelis. Why so?
    Pro Mizrahi Israeli Palestinian guy —> Mizrahi Israelis are more similar to us. Ashkenazis are very different in looks etc….
    Pro Ashkenazi Palestinian guy with brown jacket—> Ashkenazis treat us better and pay well. Mizrahi Jews pay less money and humiliate and are rough.
    Yup very White in nature.
    In the Middle Eastern World, Ashkenazis do really stand out as more White/European like in their nature.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  250. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Your Aryan ancestors were Slavs and Slavs are intelligent people. Higher castes have the same blood group as Slavs and probably originated in the Ukraine/Black Sea.

    Yes they were genetically most closely related to Eastern European Balts and Slavs. My DNA tests says my Y-haplogroup R, came from the Ukraine region, I am North Indian Upper Caste Kayastha (scrolls in ancient courts). However one poster on Unz showed how Iranians/Persians are of the haplogroup which is common in Western European Celto-Germanics. That is very interesting because Aryans came into India via Iran from Central Asia. Seems like there were two types of Aryans.

  251. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    This may have something to do with the Anglo-Saxon preoccupation with individualism and self-sufficiency.

    Cold Climate ancestry + Indo European steppe ancestry (who were super individualistic) + Hajnal Line family values. Such a population comes across high morality Protestant Christianity and even the Catholicism in the West gets Protestantified. And later this same “high guilt righteous tendency”population comes across poisonous Cultural Marxism which eats away at their culture, soul, self confidence and keeps on hammering them that they be “evul” via media and academia and hence the collapse.
    Eastern Europeans did not face the Hajnal line thing nor super high morality Protestantism and even though they faced cultural degradation for a short while via shock therapy in the early highly jewish Communist days, they eventually face Social Realism, the mirror opposite of poisonous Cultural Marxism. That is why Eastern Europe is less affected.

    However all the factors before the onset of Cultural Marxism also meant that North Western Euros built some of the best high trust societies on Earth. Where low trust populations including Jews want to migrate to and ironically screw up the same successful societies.

  252. Ponder says:
    @Jaime

    @Jaime
    It doesn’t matter if you accept it or reject, the truth stands just the same: immutable, eternal and unmoveable (I prefer that to immovable).

    Even the chinese you talk about, consider their century of humiliation from who else? The usual culprits. Whites went to Asia and met the Chinese. Interaction was fairly peaceful until you guessed it boom.

    Who is destroying more than half the world right now as we speak? Chinese? Blacks? Of course, the usual suspects. Destroying Africa? Yep what about middle east? Yep Americas? You guessed it. Threatening China with war? The Usual guys of course. Threatening to destroy Russia? No contest hands down.

    Who dropped the only atomic bombs on civilians? What about using depleted uranium munitions? Who were the instigators and primary actors for both world wars? Who will initiate the 3rd world war? Who is refusing nuclear weapons from being banned from use on earth? Who is constantly breaking the nuclear non- non proliferation treaty by proliferation of nuclear weapons?

    I could go on and on and on. Truth is immutable, immovable and eternal.

    Who is conducting genocide through planned parenthood, vaccines and through medical care/kill system? Who is refusing the use of hydroxy-chloroquine to help in fighting against covid-19 because it’s cheap? Who is seeking the depopulation of the other races on earth so that they can “save the earth” from overpopulation?

    Colonization just a while back? Westerners. Slavery? Whitey cannot escape being counted among those involved.

    Western empires were always at conflict with one another. One rises and is fought by the others until it falls and another rises. Whitey must rule the world no matter what. Everything is whitey’s business everywhere. No peace, always conflict and subjugation and death. Can the world work to live in peace? No because whitey, who indeed is reigning over all nations right now, will not, cannot allow it nor accept peace to be established anywhere: sanctions, economic blockades, piracy on the high seas, interference in other nations internal affairs etc. The greatest barbarian of all time.

  253. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    Yeah, everything is relative. In the ME, the Ashkenazi definitely seem more European, that makes sense.

    • Replies: @BloodSpirit
  254. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    @malla

    Scale is the measure. I said all races are barbarians. It escaped you clearly because you have a position to defend and not the truth.

    Slavery – which other race come even close?

    Colonialism- it has been going on for along time you say. So I should shut up and not bring it up and which race managed to colonize more than half the world other than whitey?

    Neo-colonialism doesn’t exist huh. Ok. Since I see you put video of Lumumba who is from Kenya, I ask you who fought for Kenya’s independence? Who became the first president? Where was he educated? Who paid his tuition fees? Why did he ban the maumau resistance which was instrumental in Kenya’s independence? Lumumba talks about the Chinese who engage in legitimate business. By the way, Lumumba is a private citizen and not part of the government and that is his private opinion. And even then, he cannot talk about the oil found in the north-eastern part of Kenya which is currently being extracted and nothing being put into the national treasury. You can’t even hear a single sound about it. Who is extracting this oil?

    If neo-colonialism doesn’t exist, why is whitney in Africa with the IMF and World Bank implementing structural adjustment programs? Why do they interfere in elections? The current president of Kenya lost in the elections and whitey rejected those results and recognised the current regime despite proven election rigging and even the killing of the IT systems manager who had sole rights to make any changes to the electoral system and his finger was cut off for biometric access to the system to alter election results. Enough said. You push your agenda but truth stands.

    So the Japanese and Chinese started the 2 world wars? I am indeed ignorant of this fact. Please to tell.

    Show me treaties like the ones which whitney signed with the red Indians, the various african tribes etc that were later rescinded against and the native population genocide en mass?

    And so, if Chinese break laws, they should not be called out on it because darkness nature is always to complain. Nice. Why can’t you all leave Africa then? Leave the Africans alone. Don’t allow them to migrate out to other nations and everybody else stay out of Africa. If it can’t be done, then don’t try to silence African if they point out their victim-hood.

    You malla have acknowledged being a Brahmin. The implementors of one of the most naked discrimination systems in the world; the Indian caste system. Your point of view is entirely in line with Brahmin supremacy. And since the darker Indians are at the bottom of this caste system, no wonder your worldview on darkies; just racist drivel.

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  255. Truth says:
    @AaronB

    Except that Genesis 10:3-5 (the first book in the Bible) which was written 3500 years ago mentions ” the Sons of Ashkenaz.” Who inhabited the Caucasius mountain area of Russia. So why would they lie if they were Italian?

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+10%3A3-5&version=KJV

  256. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    And forgot to point out you talk micro and I talk macro. You say backstabbing is bad in third world countries among citizens and companies maybe while I talk about national level truce breaking and covenant breaking. International scale breaking of agreements like JCPOA, ABM treaty, START, security council resolutions etc the scale of it, not micro but macro. Address the macro picture as that is what makes me say the are the worst. Their scale and magnitude of actions. Treaties between natives and whitey which ended with near extermination of the natives.

  257. FvS says:
    @Tom Verso

    Jews are not white. White means European caucasoid. All whites are caucasoid, not all caucasoids are white. Although many Ashkenazi Jews have European admixture typically of around 20-50%, they remain a Semitic people by their own admission and their homeland is in the Middle East, not Europe. Furthermore, Jews have proven themselves to be the most destructive, anti-white force on the planet.

    • Replies: @Malla
  258. vot tak says:
    @BloodSpirit

    Seriously, have you tried the zio-faggot preference for bleach? Guaranteed to cure anti-zio leftist thought. Clears those lefty germs right out of one’s system.

    Try it, and get back to us on how well this cure for leftism worked for you.

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  259. Truth says:
    @Malla

    This is not surprising, the biggest racists in the Old South were the Scots-Irish, Why? Because they were too poor to own slaves and thought that being the biggest racist would carry a bonus for them.

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  260. Robjil says:
    @Ponder

    “Whitey” has not been in control since 12.23.1913.

    WWI for the Balfour

    WWII for Israel

    WWIII for Eretz Yisrael, Greater Israel – since 12.23. 5761, on the Jewish Calendar and 9 11 2001 on the western Calendar.

    “Seven Nations to Destroy” noted by Wesley Clark comes from the Torah. The Israel of the Torah was created by destroying seven nations.

    “Whitey of Jewish Culture” is the Top Culture since 12.23. 1913.

    • Replies: @Ponder
  261. vot tak says:
    @Malla

    So you admit you are a white supremacist. And are proud of this mental and moral defect, as well as your service to “greater” israel

    Good job, shlomo. 😀

    • Replies: @Malla
  262. Ponder says:
    @Robjil

    Whitey of Jewish culture, is still whitey. No?

    A Cameroonian is an African though he is not an Ethiopian? So, both are Africans though different. Europeans are white, so are slavs and so are present day whitey who vehemently says he is Jewish and not whitey but yet still is whitey for he sure ain’t Mongolid nor negroid.

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  263. @Jaime

    You’ve made a common error. There were two Klans. The first Klan was started by 4 former Confederate junior officers sitting in the law office waiting room of one of their fathers. It was started as a joke, thus the clownish names for the officers. They conducted business much like a fraternity, with the internal workings being secret.

    As the Yankee occupation became corrupt, the Klan, along with several other organizations, such as Wade Hampton’s Red Shirts, morphed into resistance movements. The Klan faded away after the Yankee occupation was ended. Anti-Klan legislation had little effect on their end. By 1878, the Klan was history.

    About 1915 the Klan we know now, although it is mostly splinter groups, began. It used the same trappings as the original Klan, including the clownish officer titles, but the purpose was entirely different. It function as the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party and was an adjunct of the party, with many of prominent Democrats being members.

    The new Klan had a spotty history, doing some things, and some bad. My wife’s grandfather was a member in Kentucky. He would go to meetings but would never tell his wife what he was about. One night the local chapter had a public meeting on the town square. They brought out a white man, shirtless and his hands tied in front of him. A post had been erected and the rope around his hands placed over a hook above his head. One of the Klansmen then took a bullwhip to his back. After the Biblical 39 less one, he was cut down and told to never lift a hand to his wife again, or he would pay the ultimate price. He was not dealt with any differently than a black man committing crime.

    It was much different in the so-called black belt. The Klan regularly terrorized blacks to keep them in line. without that, you would see the same sort of out of control crime as you see in Detroit, south side Chicago, NYC, and northern New Jersey.

    The new Klan began breaking apart in the 50s when it was no longer in the interest of the Democrat Party to keep them around. Antifa and BLM have taken their place and the Klan has been reduced to splinter groups that are without influence.

  264. Robjil says:
    @Ponder

    Yes, it is true.

    Yet, the Top Whiteys of Jewish Culture hates all other Whiteys.

    It is quite strange.

    East Asians know this quite well. Here is example from an article about Samsung and the World Jewish criminal network.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164975/Pictured-offensive-Samsung-cartoons-Jewish-U-S-hedge-fund-boss-sparked-anti-Semitism-row-South-Korea.html

    One columnist described Jewish money as ‘ruthless and merciless’.

    And on Tuesday the former South Korean ambassador to Morocco Park Jae-seon expressed his concern about the influence of Jews in finance.

    The next day, cable news channel YTN aired similar comments by local journalist Park Seong-ho.

    ‘It is a fact that Jews use financial networks and have influence wherever they are born,’ he said.

    In a piece published a fortnight ago, Media Pen columnist Kim Ji-ho claimed ‘Jewish money has long been known to be ruthless and merciless’.

    In an extraordianry outburst he said: ‘The scary thing about Jews is they are grabbing the currency markets and financial investment companies.

    ‘Their network is tight-knit beyond one’s imagination,’ Park added.

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  265. bluefire says:
    @Tor597

    Unfortunately, majority of Whites do not-will not-cannot recognize what is outside the bounds of social acceptability within their small spheres. The hostile racial elements are world wide and can no longer be ignored. Whites will ultimately split into two camps.. #1 those who side with universalism -ie religion (masked as culture) #2 those who place race as paramount. I’m firmly in the camp of maintaining racial integrity over anything else. If I had to choose between saving a group of race denying White Christians or a group of White Pagan racialists I’m choosing the pagans every time… even if I don’t like them personally. Europeans who choose that religion over their blood are the ultimate of traitors. If I had my way I’d rapture every one of these demi Pentecostals (or whatever denomination or non-denomination they are claiming today) to their holy land and in direct proximity of their little godpeople.

  266. bluefire says:

    .. and the KKK kind of Christian Whites who holler about dem Jews and Niggers while clutching that King James can go right along with them just for being absolutely stupid.

  267. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    how the Crusaders couldn’t accept anyone’s ethnicity but their own and didnt share the ethnic tolerance of local Islamic culture

    Yet Islamic Scholar Ibn Jubyr lamented that Muslims lived far better lives under the European Crusader States than they did under their own Islamic Lords.

    British in India were incredibly racist and socially exclusivist against the locals.

    Not before the mutiny. Actually the British became more exclusivist later. Before the Mutiny, Brits and other Euros like the Dutch, French, Portuguese etc… mixed a lot with Indians both Muslims and Hindus.

    There were many cases of Europeans going native wearing Indian cloths, eating Indian food, listening to Indian music etc…
    I would also say White racism at times was a reaction to non White clannishness.

    I mentioned how in the 90s suicidal Left wing Ashkenazi Jews almost destroyed Israel.

    Good news is, Ashkenazi Jews have moved much more to the right, and no one in Israel believes in the crazy left wing ideas of the 90s

    That is exactly what White gentiles need to do. Move more and more to the right and stop believing crazy left wing ideas w.r.t race & gender. Thank you Israel for showing the way.

    he doesn’t know that many white authors hated European civilization because they thought technology made things ugly.

    Yet life in many parts of the world was much uglier than Europe. I have read too many travelogues to know this. And Abu Taleb Khan, one of the first (semi Persian)Indians to go to Britain had a very high opinion of England, compared it to heaven. The high morality of and high trust nature of the English people amazed him. For example, a customer could borrow a time piece from a watch maker to show someone and promise to bring it back. Something like that would be stupid for a shopkeeper in India to do.

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  268. Jiminy says:

    I was just watching a tv show about the workings of Scientology and it included how the NOI is now being infiltrated by Hubbard’s followers. There are blacks leaving their order because of it, unable to understand how Farrakhan has basically been duped by the crackpots. It’s strange how the mostly all black NOI is going to be swallowed up by the mostly white scientologist. Without a doubt Farrakhan has been swayed with a little help by Benjamin Franklin.

  269. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    Actually, it’s true that the first wave of British colonialists in India mixed with the people and often went quasi-native. These guys were eccentrics and adventurers, much more open minded than your average person. Attitudes changed when British women started coming in and the community filled with more respectable types . By Orwell’s time, caste has become very rigid. Read Burmese Days and his essays to get an idea. The Mutiny of course hardened attitudes.

    The European writers thought that poor countries that had not modernized were picturesque and charming. At first they focused on Italy and Greece, southern Europe, countries that hadn’t gone through the technological revolution and were still backwards. The Highlands Scots were also a backward society heavily romanticized by Walter Scott. Wordsworth and Blake famously complained about the black factories, etc.

    But of course Europe was still stunningly beautiful – heck, Europe is still beautiful today! What the Romantics thought was ugly was the new way of life based on technology and logic, without imagination, spontaneity, or color, orderly, rigid, and boring. The disenchantment of the world. Edmund Burke, in his writings on the French Revolution, gives a very good summary of the new kind of society that the Romantics were critiquing, if you’re interested.

    If you read 18th century writers, essayist, and travel diaries, Britain is a veritable rogues gallery of miscreants and underhanded mischief. Highwaynen abounded. You could literally be press ganged into service in the Navy against your will. Daniel Defoe wrote about the famously corrupt judges of Britain. And many of the men who conquered India used deceit and disloyalty.

    Things change. In the 19th century Chinese businessmen were known as being scrupulously honest, and in the 18th century German workmen were known for low quality products and often bad work habits. There was strong opposition to German immigration to America, for a reason.

    Altruistic, naive, trusting people do not conquer the world and start world wars. Assholes do.

    Of course, I’m not denigrating Europe, just pointing out history isn’t a fairy tale.

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    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  270. Malla says:
    @vot tak

    Your statement is so idiotic I do not know how to answer. Where do I begin?

    1]Living with your own kind is not White supremacy. This is natural behavior in our non White world.

    mental and moral defect

    You are insulting the majority of the World’s population who prefer living and marrying withing their own. It includes the Masai of Kenya and Pathans of Afghanistan.

    as well as your service to “greater” israel

    How do I support greater Israel?

    shlomo.

    So I am a Jew now? What rubbish.
    Anybody who follows my posts would have no doubt about my being an Indian.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  271. CROSSFIRE – “Rabbi Meir Kahane”. 1985

  272. @Truth

    Blacks murder at 8 times the rate of everyone else put together. Y’all be savages.

    ***Warning! Numbers below! Kryptonite to black commenters! Read on at your own risk!***

    Age Total Sex Race
    Known Male Female Unknown Known Black Nonblack White Other2 Unknown
    Total 16,335 11,749 10,306 1,443 4,586 11,514 6,318 5,196 4,884 312 4,821
    Share of Known 87.7% 12.3% 54.9% 45.1%
    % of Population 49.2% 50.8% 13.4% 86.6%
    Share of murders/share of pop 1.78 0.24 4.09 0.52
    Male/Female murder ratio 7.37
    Black/Nonblack murder ratio 7.86

    From Steve Sailer’s post over on the right hand side of your screen,

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/murder-offenders-per-capita-ratio-of-blacks-to-nonblacks-is-even-larger-than-men-to-women/

    • Troll: vot tak
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  273. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    In the 19th century Chinese businessmen were known as being scrupulously honest,

    Actually by what I read, such opinions were of the Japanese. Europeans had a high opinion of the honesty of Northern Chinese (still less than the Japanese) but not the Southern Chinese.
    See I agree, people change, but there are inborn tendencies as well. Just because a population changes from type A to type B does not mean all populations would make that same change. There are many inborn traits involved.
    You know when I read the travelogues of Chinese, Islamic and European travelers in India, we are just the same, you could understand today’s India by what they wrote centuries ago. Europeans did change but there were some genetic factors too which reacted to some environment (including mental environments) such as Religion or movements like the enlightenment. There were other factors, very likely genetic at play here too.

    Altruistic, naive, trusting people do not conquer the world and start world wars.

    Altruistic, naive, trusting people can start wars if they are ruled by assholes and assholes have control over propaganda. That is why assholes have to moralize their real intentions like “Spread Democracy”, “Fighting Slavery”. The intentions of the assholes are something else all together, unknown to the naive masses. The difference is in the West a lot of that moralising propaganda has been universalist (there have been many exceptions) while in our part of the world it is mostly tribal propaganda, for example in India, it is “evul China taking our holy land”. In India it is “evul Chinese” and in China it has been “evul Japs”, in Nepal it is “evul Indians”LOL. Universalist morality propaganda would not work much in our darkie lands. Islam is a mix, it is semi tribal semi universalist, in the sense, the entire Muslim Ummah at times becomes a tribe of sort.

  274. Malla says:
    @FvS

    All whites are caucasoid, not all caucasoids are white.

    Exactly.

  275. vot tak says:
    @Malla

    Oh gee, it seems I upset one of israel’s guardianista minions…oy vey. 😀

  276. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Thanks.

    And 84% of honkees are still murdered by other honkees.

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  277. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    Scale is the measure. I said all races are barbarians. It escaped you clearly because you have a position to defend and not the truth.

    And this has more to do with ability than morality. The Europeans just won out on ability. The Zulus, the Mughals, the Marathas were all far more cruel than the British and given the chance they would have wanted much larger empires than what they had, but they did not have the ability or luck that the Europeans had. The Marathas or Mughals or Zulus if given a chance would want their Empires to be as big as the British Empire, they could not build an Empire the size of the British Empire. That is what it is. It is more a question of ability + luck than morality.

    Why did he ban the maumau resistance which was instrumental in Kenya’s independence?

    The Mau Mau was a Kikuyu movement which was not only anti- British but more anti-other Kenyan black Africans for land. They killed more black people than Whites. Kenyatta had to run a united Kenya where all ethnic interests (atleast on paper) had to be looked at. If he had officially supported a Kikuyu only movement all other Kenyan ethnic groups (like the Luo for example) would have wanted succession from Kenya. Even today there are a lot of clashes in between rival tribes for land as Kenya’s population increases (but land does not increase).
    The Kenyan Somalis in the North already wanted independence from Kenya to join Greater Somalia (LOL I doubt they would want that today, better to be part of a stable nation like Kenya than failed state Somalia today but ofcourse it was different back them). The Kenyan (Kikuyu dominated) State crushed the Kenyan Somali independence movement using the same tactics that the British Empire had used against the Kikuyu during Mau Mau!!!!

    Also Prof Lumumba is not only anti-Chinese, he is anti-West & anti-Chinese. He wants both Westerners and Chinese to be kicked out of Africa. So it is very unlikely he is some secret Western agent. Basically the “Revolutionary Socialist anti-Imperialist Chinese” will go through the same headaches and face the same B.S what the Europeans faced in our darkie lands once in the past. LOL. Not only Africa, in other parts of Asia too.

    If neo-colonialism doesn’t exist, why is whitney in Africa with the IMF and World Bank implementing structural adjustment programs? Why do they interfere in elections?

    How much percentage of the White race is involved in these nefarious activities? 0.0000001%. And many say China was involved in regime change in Zimbabwe. Indian interferes in Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and frequently does regime change in these countries to suit herself. Can you stop the Indian Govt from doing this? LOL I would like to see someone try. Recently Iraqis demonstrated as Iran was interfering in its Politics and dominates Iraqi politics. During the Civil war in Congo all neighboring African countries including Mugabe’s Zimbabwe interfered in the affairs of a sovereign country illegally. I am not talking about African union (AU) or some organisation similar to ECOWAS, but illegally interfered for monetary or tribal interests. Also ex French Empire African countries fund French Political parties and elections so as to get a friendly French Govt in place who would give their particular country more French aid, most of which the African elites siphon off to their private accounts and hardly anything would reach the people of the African country. So let me get dis straight.
    Ex French Empire African elites use the taxed money of their own people to interfere in the elections, foreign African interference in the politics of a Sovereign country like France so that the French elites would give them aid, taxed money from the work of the French common people which would go into the bank accounts of the African elites while the African common man gets nothing much. So the French common man and the African common man lose and the French and African elites win. Wow, just Wow.
    The world is too complicated for childish “evul” Whitey neocolonialism B.S.

    So the Japanese and Chinese started the 2 world wars? I am indeed ignorant of this fact. Please to tell.

    I never said they started. I am just saying they were big powers who were involved in WW2. Just like how the non Western Ottomans were involved in WW1.

    the various african tribes etc that were later rescinded against and the native population genocide en mass?

    native Americans I understand. Which African population was genocided en mass? The only ones maybe the Bushmen Khoi Khoi of the South. Which other?
    The Spartans-like Zulus themselves emptied vast tracts of land by their conquests. The Zulus drove the Xhosas before them who themselves preyed on the Khoi Khoi.

    And so, if Chinese break laws, they should not be called out on it because darkness nature is always to complain. Nice. Why can’t you all leave Africa then? Leave the Africans alone. Don’t allow them to migrate out to other nations and everybody else stay out of Africa. If it can’t be done, then don’t try to silence African if they point out their victim-hood.

    I am not against Africa being left alone.

    You malla have acknowledged being a Brahmin.

    I am not Brahman, there are other upper castes than brahmins. Also the anti-British movements in India were dominated by Brahmins and other upper castes like Banyas.

    The implementors of one of the most naked discrimination systems in the world; the Indian caste system. Your point of view is entirely in line with Brahmin supremacy. And since the darker Indians are at the bottom of this caste system, no wonder your worldview on darkies; just racist drivel.

    Ya that is all true, but I am not Brahmin. BTW I am not looking down “on darkies”, I am a darkie (and my friends describe me narcissistic at times). I am just explaining darkie tendency to blame everybody and everything fairly or unfairly. Instead of having some self refection and improving our morality, discipline, taste, mannerisms, attitude etc… we like to blame YT. This kills two birds with one stone. This explains to them why YT (& yellow) is rich (via looting according to them) and have prosperous societies and why our societies are poor. Instead of learning positive traits of YT and yellows, we like to blame and thus we shall always remain screwed up till the end of time. It is mental opium masturbation. Gives pleasure for a short time but poverty and shittery shall last in our lands till the end of time. This mass mental masturbation has been goin on since and even before decolonisation, did not help us much till now.

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  278. Ponder says:
    @Robjil

    You are honest enough to acknowledge facts when presented to you. I appreciate and indeed can dialogue with you for you have some integrity unlike some commenters here.

    Now, every nation can be “civil” when they have their physiological needs met. The issue of micro ( people to people vs institutionalised i.e. macro) savageness that is being attributed to blacks is largely a function of their conditions and if course human barbarity. Any other people under such physiological conditions will resort to the same barbarity if not worse. If you doubt this, then watch what will become of western countries as their plunder is curtailed from the rest of the world. Watch as their so called civility descends to darkie level and even worse (just watch the riots now as an appetizer as their physio-psychological conditions continue to deteriorate). Watch as “white trash” engage in “darkie” barbarity. The overlords are civil so to speak while their barbarity is hidden in institutionalised savagery like police. Some quote statistics here which are as manipulated as all other things into propaganda. How is the data collected? How many criminal behaviour like what occured with Arberry Ahmaud are never recorded in those statistics? We do understand a bit about how statistics can be used to manipulate information e.g economy is growing at 2% when it is clearly tanking.

    This things I bring up because the sooner we identify the true nature of our situation, the better we shall be in addressing those issues with appropriate solutions.

    Take for example, Jewish whitey as you correctly point out. Once other races lay down their misguided animosity to each other as we are pitted mindlessly against each other, then shall we be able to begin to address the issue of constant conflict which only benefits the manipulators. Once we acknowledge the criminality within each race and understand that we need to address it such and not white on black or black on white or black on black criminality but rather the perpetrators as criminals regardless of race without prejudice. And then proceed to provide equitable opportunity to all members of society regardless of race, then can we begin to imagine a modicum of peaceful coexistence with each other. But as long as other races receive preferential treatment on matters arising within society as compared to others, then the subjugated will always resist. I always marvel at say white supremacists who must prove their supremacy by subjugation. If you are supreme, you need not fear a fair competition now do you? Remember when white athletes were superior but not allowed to compete against blacks? What happened when the playing field was levelled with same rules? Yeah.

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  279. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    A couple of days ago, I posted the following update to my first reply to you as a reply to my own comment. Which, now that I think about it, more or less guarantees that you’ll never see it! So I now re-post it as a direct reply to you below:

    UPDATE: I completed reading the Michael Bradley link you posted, and by the time I’d finished I have to confess that alarm bells were ringing all over my head. For a start, he makes the most astonishing statements and then fails to back them up with either evidence or source notes. He assumes for himself a sort of all-encompassing and esoteric knowledge not only of anthropology (the subject that I gathered from the start was his forte, and which I was looking forward to reading) but also of history and religion.

    I have seen other websites designed like his before, and they are always dodgy, so I googled him and, among other things, learned that ‘Bradley is a conspiracy theorist, who believes that…all the evil in the world emanates from a very violent group of people (proved by DNA testing) the descendants of the Neanderthals – Jews of course’ and that ‘He believes that the Jews stole African heritage in the bible and that it was Africans who discovered America’. If he is indeed half Jew himself, he’ll be laughing all the way to the bank having duped the gullible goyim into parting with their shekels to buy his books.

    Hmmm….

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  280. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    The Mutiny of course hardened attitudes.

    The Mutiny was what caused a change in the attitude among the British. Indeed to understand what they went through, you gotta refer to that video I posted of the Israeli couple Paul and Dikkla, where Paul says they “we are not in Europe but in the Middle East”. that is exactly what happened with the British. The romance and mixing in between the cultures stopped.
    After the mutiny the British decided not to interfere in Indian religious affairs unless it is too serious like banning Devdashi (slave prostitute woman of Hindu temple) system, stopping clashes in between Vaishnavs (Vishnu worshipers) and Shiavas (Shiva worshipers) among Hindus which happens in every kumbh Mela even today. Indeed the British Civil officers stopped such a major clash a century + ago, in a Kumbh Mela convincing the Vaishnavs to take holy bath in Nashik and the Shaivas in Trambakeshwar, Hindu-Muslim clashes which happened all the time etc….
    Except that their attitude was not interfere in Indian cultural affairs much but to rule Roman like and aloof. And that was a disaster as it slowed down the needed modernization that Indian society.
    British hardening attitude and become a caste like was a combination of Victorian morals and a reaction to caste ridden traditional (Hindu-Islamic) Indian society.

    But even after the mutiny some love affair with Indian culture continued. For example, the British and French officers (in Pondicherry) were connoisseurs of South Indian Carnatic Classical Music. They frequented the places of great Classical masters to hear their performances. Indeed South Indian Carnatic Classical Music as against North Indian Hindustani Classical Music is considered “pure” as it was not influenced by Persian-Turkish-Uzbek Islamic Culture. Hindustani North Indian Performing Arts is a combo of ancient Hindu and Islamic cultures. But what is not known is that South Indian Carnatic Classical Music was influenced a lot by Classical European music and even British Sea Shanties!!! Indeed when Prince George came to India, 1911, Indian classical musicians performed infront of him in his great durbar and he awarded them gold coins like a Hindu or Islamic King would do.

    https://indianraga.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/british-raj-and-indian-classical-music/
    British Raj and Indian Classical Music

  281. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    Slavery – which other race come even close?

    Glad you brought this up. Which race did not?

    https://olavodecarvalho.org/africa-inside-out/
    English translation from original Portuguese.

    “The Third World movement, an invention of Stalin, turned out to be, and is still today, one of the major sources of the authority of the revolutionary spirit, instilling in the soul of Western civilization an inextinguishable guilt complex and obtaining from it every kind of moral, political and financial profit. Subscribed by international organizations, nourished by billionaire foundations and dozens of governments, trumpeted by indefatigable blabbermouths like Noam Chomsky and Edward Said, enshrined as official doctrine by all big media in Europe and the US, this ideology entirely made of opportunistic mendacity ended up impregnating itself so deeply in public opinion that any attempt at confronting it, even in a neutral and academic tone, is considered today as unequivocal proof of “racism”.

    One of its main dogmas is exactly the charge of racism, thrown generically at the face of all Christendom by innumerable armies of activist intellectuals and, in the last decades, by all the speakers for radical Islam. Imbued with the belief in the innate inferiority of blacks, white European man would have been, according to this doctrine, the slave-master par excellence, decimating the African population and financing, through the disgrace of the black continent, the industrial revolution which made the West wealthy.

    Everything in this theory is a lie, beginning with the chronological inversion. Europeans only arrived in Africa around the middle of the 15th century. Well before that time, racist contempt for blacks was common sense among Arabs, as one can see in the words of some of its most prominent intellectuals. I draw these examples from Bernard Lugan’s book, Afrique, l’Histoire à l’Endroit (Paris, Perrin, 1989).

    Ibn Khaldun, the Tunisian historian (1332-1406), assures us that if the Sudanese are characterized by “levity and inconstancy”, in the more Southern regions “we only find men who are closer to animals than to an intelligent being. They live in wild places and in caves, eat herbs and raw grains and sometimes they eat each other. We cannot consider them human beings.”

    The Egyptian writer Al-Abshihi (1388-1446) asks: “What can there be that is worse and more vile than black slaves? As for the mulattos, be good to them every day of your life and in every possible way, and they will have no gratitude for you: it will be as if you had done nothing for them. The better you treat them, the more they become insolent; but if you mistreat them, they will show humility and submission”.

    Iyad Al-Sabti (1083-1149) writes that the blacks are “of all men the most corrupt and the most disposed to procreation. Their life is like that of an animal. They have no interest in any matter of the world, except for food and women. Apart from that, nothing merits their attention.”

    Ibn Butlan, recognizing that black women have the rhythmic sense and the resistance for hard work, observes: “But one cannot obtain any pleasure from them, such is the odor of their armpits and the roughness of their body.”

    In contrast, theories affirming the racial inferiority of blacks were not disseminated in cultured Europe before the 18th century (cf. Eric Voegelin, The History of the Race Idea. From Ray to Carus, vol. III of his Collected Works, Baton Rouge, Louisiana State University Press, 1998). That is to say that Europeans of the literate classes became racists almost at the same time as the slave trade declined and abolitionist movements began, of which there is no equivalent in the Arab world”

    …continued….

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  282. Malla says:
    @Malla

    “Arab merchants took to Islamic countries approximately the same amount, with three differences: (1) the Arabs would capture them, something which the Europeans never did, except in Angola and for a brief period; (2) the Arabs castrated at least ten percent of the slaves, a custom that was not known to European slave-traders; (3) the Arabs continued to practice slave trade up to the 20th century. The slavery practiced by the Arabs was a forbidden subject for a long time, but the taboo can be considered broken since the publisher Gallimard, the most prestigious in France, agreed to publish the excellent study of the African author Tidiane N’Diaye, Le Genocide Voilé (2008), which I will comment some other day.

    But it is not only the Arabs that have to cover up their guilt behind a discourse of resentful accusations. Slavery was the general norm in Africa well before the Arabs arrived there, and today we know that the largest part of captured slaves was sold in the internal market, while only a smaller number was taken abroad. When the apologists of African civilization praise the great black kingdoms of the past, they generally omit mentioning that these States (especially Benin, Dahomey, Ashanti and Oyo) owed their prosperity to the slave trade, on which their economy was entirely dependent. Particularly the kingdom of Oyo, writes Lugan, “developed a notable military imperialism since the end of the 17th century, seeking to reach the ocean in order to establish direct contacts with the white men. Even before this, the warring strength of the Oyo, especially their cavalry, enabled them to reap an abundant harvest of slaves which it imprisoned in the south, among the Yoruba, and in the north, among the Bariba and the Nupe. Traditionally the numerous captives became slaves in the victors’ society. With the establishment of European slave trade a part – but only a part – was sent to the coast.”

    In a forthcoming article I will show some other prodigious inversions that the discourse of the Third World movement operates in the history of African slavery.”

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  283. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    Neo-colonialism doesn’t exist huh.

    Let a fellow East Asian explain it to you.

    You were colonized by Europeans but you learnt nothing from them – Chinese man to Congolese

    • Replies: @Ponder
  284. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    German workmen were known for low quality products

    There were people who said that the Germans were a people for poetry, music and artsy stuff not for industries. But guess what, the Germans became great industrialists and technologists. LOL
    I think the Germans are good at anything they put their mind to. Any field the Germans enter, they tend to excel. No wonder the Brits, French and other Europeans were so scared of them. They are like the Japanese.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  285. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    Never argue with a fool for he will drag you down to his level and bit you with experience.

    You address non of what I write but vie of into tangents that don’t address the issue; gaslighting.

    For example, you subtly agree that their barbarity was due to ability and not morality. First you acknowledge that their ability made them capable of immense barbarity, while deflecting that it was not morality. How did you assess that it was not a moral issue but ability? If they were superior morally, how could they be capable of such barbarity? You cannot claim a moral high ground and participate enthusiastically in immoral acts and then point to the barbarity of your victim as your justification. They have word for it called hypocrisy. Either you are morally superior and act like it or a hypocrite. You mallard are worse since you are an apologist for the hypocrites.

    Another example, you say Kenyatta banned the MauMau because they were anti other tribes. What a load of crock. MauMau were Indeed gikuyu and had lived peacefully with neighbouring akamba, embu and meru. They even had a name for them called GEMA. Skirmishes between Akamba and Maasai were recorded but mostly due to cattle wrangling. Kenyatta was a collaborator who sold Kenya to the British by enacting the dictates of the empire including banning MauMau and thus began the journey of neo-colonislism for kenya.

    And then to further use strawman arguments you bring in numbers to show the impossibility of neo-colonialism. How many British did it take to conquer India? Because they were such an infinitesimal compared to the Indians, we must conclude that India was never colonised by the British.

    I won’t waste my time with a charlatan of very questionable character and zero Integrity like you. One who quotes Lumumba’s opinion and says there you have it; they are blah blah blah like I said as if one opinion is representative of the whole race.

    I say whitey instigated and enthusiastically participated in the 2 world wars and you turn like a true weasel and respond by saying that the chinese and Japanese were involved. Who said they were not involved? But did they start those wars? Of course not. Whitey did for whitey’s own purposes; to conquer and rule the world. Even the Chinese don’t aspire to do that. Indians might because of the racism inherent in them. You may not be Brahmin but you are of the higher castes while pretending to be a darkie.

    Away with such trash. I have spent to much time on you.

    • Replies: @Malla
  286. Robjil says:
    @Ponder

    Today there are no “white supremacists” only Jewish white supremacists.

    This WS is a joke in our MSM.

    MSM Lies Matter is the real agenda.

    It changes its tune for its games.

    BLM is the newest MSM Lies Matter ( MLM).

    Yesterday it was ISIS or Al-Qaeda. Both were manufactured by Jewish Supremacists.

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/09/isis-israeli-secret-intelligence-service/

    The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”.

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  287. @Truth

    You got angry here, do I control your emotions?

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  288. @Malla

    But it is not only the Arabs that have to cover up their guilt behind a discourse of resentful accusations.

    What was the contribution to this in regards to the Cows Worshipers and the Cows Urine Drinkers?

    Malla do you Worship Cows?

    Malla do you drink Cows Urine?

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  289. @Malla

    I think the Germans are good at anything they put their mind to. Any field the Germans enter, they tend to excel.

    How good you think the Germans were regarding Holocaust?

    • Replies: @Malla
  290. @vot tak

    You’d have to bleach your brain to support Israel.

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  291. Malla says:
    @Larchmonter420

    How good you think the Germans were regarding Holocaust?

    What holocaust?
    You mean this holocaust?

    When innocent people were bombed mercilessly in Dresden.

  292. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    Bravo to the Chinese. They having studied their adversary outsmarted him hence all the screaming of whitey and wannabe whitey. If China hadn’t wised up, that fellow Asian you post to try and identify with yourself would have ended up just like India. But because the Chinese have broken the cycle by outsmarting whitey, watch what will happen to the rest of the world as neo-colonialism is defeated as its main weapon is economic. China studied the subjugation process while feigning to open up their country to economic slavery. This allowed them to develop as they have managed to, since whitey controls the economic levers of world finance. China would not be where it is today had it not agreed to limited capitalism as a way to develop itself. But wisely, they didn’t go full scale capitalistic as they would now be devoured by the west. Watch and learn. Now, I could stoop to your level and show how Indians are stupid for their inability to stop their humiliation because to you the guy at the top must be superior and moral. To have been defeated through guile does not a sub-human make the victim. Jesus Christ remains far superior to His tormentors and killers. Yet killed He was.

    Arabs are racist? You don’t say. What a revelation. Stupid. I never said they were not. I asked you to show a bigger slave trader and owner than whitey. You failed. Even some African kept slaves and indulged in slave trade. But the scale of it is the defining point. Other empires conquered other people and never subjugated them to level of destruction and dehumanization that whitey has and still to this day tries to continue perpetuating.

    So, my question of show me another greater barbaric race than whitey still stands and my statement still stands:
    The greatest barbarian of all time bar none.

    • Replies: @Malla
  293. Malla says:
    @Larchmonter420

    What kind of stupid question is this? And what does it have to do with the topic of African slavery?
    Are you talking about the slavery of Hindus? I have written about that.

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  294. Ponder says:
    @Robjil

    Surely you jest. No white supremacists? Bogaloo boys? Proud boys? MAGA? KKK?

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Malla
  295. @Truth

    “And 84% of honkees are still murdered by other honkees.”

    Says who?

    Funny, Dept. of Justice statistics for as long as they have been gathered show half of all whites who were murdered having been murdered by black people. Then Obammy and Holder get their mitts on the Justice Dept. and suddenly, in one year, most of the murderers of whites are assigned to the “race unknown” category. I have looked the charts over very carefully and I challenge you to contradict me, with evidence.

    Blacks murder 50% +/- of all whites murdered now, then and will continue to do so for the indefinite future.

    Once the Democrats achieve an insurmountable majority, we may expect this number to increase until whites succeed in breaking away and forming an independent nation. Then, you and your brothas will be free to slaughter one another to your hearts’s content. Count us out. We don’t need you, we don’t want you. You’re FREEEEEEEE!*

    *Side note: blacks have ever thought that the word “free” meant “freedom from toil”, i.e. free to live as Massa did up in the big White Mansion. When they realized that “free” to a Northerner meant “free to earn a living on your own”, they balked, and have resisted–stubborn as a mule–ever since.

    • Replies: @Truth
  296. @AaronB

    “In the ME, the Ashkenazi definitely seem more European”
    In Europe, Ashkenazi Middle Eastern features stand out.

    Anti-European semi-Europeans are self-defeatists in a way. (((They))) deny the most valuable part of their heritage.

  297. @Malla

    What kind of stupid question is this? And what does it have to do with the topic of African slavery?

    Are the Cows Worshipers and Cows Urine Drinkers complicit in African Slavery?

    I know in Africa still today, the Cows Worshipers and Cows Urine Drinkers consider the Whites to be at the top of hierarchy, then after the Whites, the Cows Worshipers and Cows Urine Drinkers consider themselves next in hierarchy. Then other Asians. And, then at the very bottom the Cows Worshipers and Cows Urine Drinkers consider the Blacks.

    In Africa, you seems to me one of those who consider yourself the second class citizens and Whites first class citizens.

    What is your role in all this?

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  298. @Truth

    Many slave owners claimed to be against slavery.

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  299. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    For example, you subtly agree that their barbarity was due to ability and not morality. First you acknowledge that their ability made them capable of immense barbarity, while deflecting that it was not morality. How did you assess that it was not a moral issue but ability?

    Your reading comprehension is pathetic. I did not say ability for barbarity. I said the ability to build and run huge empires even if they were lower in barbarity than other empires.

    Kenyatta banned the MauMau

    Dude, after Kenya left the British Empire what use was the Mau Mau? Kikuyus are only 20% of the Population, the biggest ethnic group sure but 20%. There was no need of a movement which was dominated by only one ethnic group. Kenya is much more than just Kikuyu. In 2008 (After Kibaki won the elections), there was massive clashes in between the Kikuyu on one side and Luo (Obama’s Dad’s tribe) & Kalejin on the other. African countries often have to maintain delicate balances in between diverse ethnic groups so to allow a movement, dominated by one tribe which had passed its use. It was not wise for Jomo Kenyatta. That does not mean he sold out.

    Kenyatta was a collaborator who sold Kenya to the British

    Interesting. what about Kwame Nkrumah or Julius Nyerere? Were they secret collaborators too?

    And then to further use strawman arguments you bring in numbers to show the impossibility of neo-colonialism.

    I did not say about the impossibility of neocolonialism (which I think is bullshit). I said about the number of Whites involved was very small. You really are an idiot. Most white people have nothing to do with this.

    One who quotes Lumumba’s opinion and says there you have it; they are blah blah blah like I said as if one opinion is representative of the whole race.

    Prof Lumumba is just one guy and I do not agree with him. There are many.

    Is Zambia China’s 1st African Colony??😳

    Julius Malema Doesn’t Want China Colonising Africa
    Julius Malema is no nerd Prof but the leader of the radical Economic Freedom Fighter (EFF) party of South Africa.

    Watch: Why China Is Taking Over African Countries Desperately | Voicetv Nigeria By Dr Umar Johnson.

    • Replies: @Ponder
  300. Robjil says:
    @Ponder

    None of these groups have any real power at all.

    Supreme means having a God like power over other people.

    The only group that has such a power are Jewish Supremacists since 12.23.1913.

    • Agree: BloodSpirit
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  301. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    Proud boys?

    Proud Boys, White supremacists? Many Proud Boys are Latino.

  302. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    If China hadn’t wised up, that fellow Asian you post to try and identify with yourself…..China would not be where it is today had it not agreed to limited capitalism as a way to develop itself. But wisely, they didn’t go full scale capitalistic as they would now be devoured by the west.

    Why are you telling me all this? I am pro China. I am pro China+ Russia.

    Arabs are racist? You don’t say. What a revelation. Stupid. I never said they were not. I asked you to show a bigger slave trader and owner than whitey. You failed.

    Read that post again. You are stupid. Read it again.

    Other empires conquered other people and never subjugated them to level of destruction and dehumanization that whitey has

    Not true at all.

    • Replies: @Ponder
  303. Mefobills says:
    @GeeBee

    Thanks for the heads up.

    I take dodgy stuff with a grain of salt. Somebody of your intelligence can weave a narrative that makes sense to you while overlooking known BS.

    I get it that people are looking for the kernel of truth, but I have found no such thing exists. It is hard work sorting through data and history to find the kernel. Anthropology is a discipline that is under constant revision.

    What to do about people who have obvious neanderthalic physiognomy, yet behave in the way of an advanced soul? Judge a tree by its fruit.

    The narrative, or software, that occupies a person’s brain-space probably is the dominant variable accounting for behavior.

    Truth tellers tell truth from their knowledge base and vantage point. For example, PCR is fairly accurate, but I find him making mistakes, his take on Southern economy being a case in point.

    Hudson is more accurate than most, but even he makes mistakes – for example on the Hamiltonian system.

    Graham Hancock is shaking up the anthropological world, but his narrative is “out there” the same as Bradley is “out there.” Graham has to make a lot of assumptions to make his narrative fit.

    I am compelled to uptake some of their data because their arguments have many facts in alignment. I do this until new revisions force a narrative shift. I reprogram myself.

    With regards to Jews stealing African heritage and African’s discovering America, that is obvious BS. African’s never made boats or invented a sail.

    Yet, Bradley makes a compelling case for skiff like boats that Cro-Magnon peoples made, where beeswax tanned leather was stretched across boat ribs. This then allowed Cro-Magnons to portage rivers and move West to East.

    There are no boats of this type in the fossil record, so Bradley had to invent it in order to fit Cro-Magnon West to East population movements.

    What boats were used for Polynesian DNA to end up in South America? No boats of a type able to make the journey exist in the known fossil record.

    So, when I read obvious BS, I think the author is taking a bender, but I don’t necessarily discount everything else he has to say. The kernel of truth cannot be found, only approximated.

    I don’t think Bradley is rubbing his hands together grabbing shekels, he was pretty much LoL’d into irrelevance, while also being censured. At first, when his books seemed to demonize Caucasians he was revered by the press, but later when it became apparent that Jewish Khazar’s were on the menu, he was dropped like a hot potato, thus losing out on shekels.

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  304. @antibeast

    Difference is Aryans i.e. Indo-Europeans were White.

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  305. Truth says:
    @Malla

    How much percentage of the White race is involved in these nefarious activities? 0.0000001%.

    That would make 70 white folk.

    • Replies: @Malla
  306. Truth says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    No, I’m not angry, it’s an attempt at shock therapy. Nothing else seems to be working .

  307. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Blacks murder 50% +/- of all whites murdered now, then and will continue to do so for the indefinite future.

    Afraid not, Old Sport, unless you have access to some top-secret security agency files that have not been published.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

  308. @Malla

    European to East Asian: Germans-Japanese, Brits-Chinese, French-Koreans.

  309. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The Zulus, the Mughals, the Marathas were all far more cruel than the British and given the chance they would have wanted much larger empires than what they had, but they did not have the ability or luck that the Europeans had.

    You forgot to mention the Maurya Empire under Ashoka the Great who led the Golden Age of Buddhism in India. Ashoka the Great adopted Buddhism when he felt remorse over the violence and deaths he had inflicted during his military conquests in the course of building his Empire. So your hypothesis is wrong: Ashoka the Great was not only fully capable of building a vast Empire (Maurya being the largest in India’s history) but he also succeeded in establishing a social order based on high moral and spiritual values, world-historical achievements that even the Han Chinese acknowledged when they went to India to learn from Buddhist Monks. While other Asian invaders of India such as the Muslim conquerors were far more brutal and violent than the British Empire, your attempts to whitewash the sins of the Western Imperialists by using whataboutism is just a Strawman’s Argument. There is nothing good about British Imperialism in India just as there is nothing good about the Muslim Conquests of India. Just because the Muslim Conquerors were bad doesn’t imply — ipso facto — that the British Imperialists were good.

    Indians such as yourself should be proud that one of your “darkie” kind — Ashoka the Great — adopted and promoted Buddhism which played a central role in the development of East Asian Civilization.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  310. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    I understand you clearly. I ask about whitey barbarity and you responded by saying ” it had to do with ability and not morality”. Now you say I misunderstood you. Ok stupid, let me enlighten you. Their ability at technology and warfare and communications and ………. made them capable/ able. I agree. Able to do what in the context of our discussion? Able to subjugate and enslave and colonize at a massive scale because of this ability. Ok, upto that point I agree but you disagree by trying to ssqueeze in morality. Now, you argue that their barbarity was enabled by their capability, where does morality come in? Please explain like to a 10 year old how morality is an answer to my stipulation and presentation on the morality of whitey. They were morally superior till they embarked on genociding red Indians, enslaving Africans, colonizing Africa, Americas, Asia and Australia, starting world wars, atomic bombing Hiroshimaand Nagasaki, using depleted uranium in the middle east, genociding unborn babies in the name of depopulating the earth? Was not their ability which you allude to but a part of the arsenal that they used to spread their barbarity? I caught you in your gaslighting.

    I should go scouring the internet to pick up videos of Indians with cuckoo ideas and mindsets and post about 10 of them and prove that is how Indians think? For example Indians stupid obsessions with competing with China and their hatred to China because they are ahead of them? I am I intelligent enough to know some brainwashed Indians can be influenced by propaganda for political reasons but you apparently are too stupid to understand that. What we are to watch is what Indian will do amidst the rhetoric.

    Botswana is an African country with very standards of living but watch whitey dismember it like they did Libya. Of course all this never happened. Libya was never a successful country nor is Botswana now as an example. Do you know that Kenya for example is part of China’s BRI? Do you know that a world class railway line has been built next to the old colonial one? Now, do you know that both railway lines are being prohibited from being used with trains limited to twice a day? Do you know why? Go find out and then come and tell me about no neo-colonialism.

    I write to you about China because you probably don’t know how they have managed to succeed where Africa and India have failed. You Indians are still as poverty stricken as Africans and yet you idiotically don’t know about neo-colonialism. But how can you know when your racist views obscure you from seeing your oppressor ( but more so the lower castes which doesn’t bother you because you are at the top of the Indian food chain. If they suffer so what – they deserve it they are darkies who are sub-human). Modi stupidly doing the bidding of his masters did what to your currency a few years back? Do you even know why the darkies of your race were swindled of their hard earned money in that stupid stunt Modi did of outlawing already legitimate circulating currency and mandating all Indians to change that old currency therefore disenfranchising the poor Indians who didn’t have bank accounts?

    You are too stupid for me to argue with. Your intelligence is high enough to accumulate information but incapable of analysis and synthesis of accumulated information to bring you any wisdom.

    • Replies: @Malla
  311. Ponder says:
    @Robjil

    White supremacy is an ideology that believes in the supremacy of the white race over all other races. If I believe that the chinese people are superior to all other races and thus have ” yellow man burden to civilise all other races” would make me a Chinese supremacists.

    What you argue about is the lost/ waning ability that is eroding presently from the white race in their supremacy ideology.

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  312. Malla says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Brother, why you talking nonsense?

    Salaam.

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  313. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    Ok just to shut you up about slavery. Which other race so Indulged in this vile trade till to this day, their descendants can be found as a nation inside their enslaving nation like African-Americans in USA, African- americans ( not USA only is America , so, the African slaves brought to south America are also African-American) in south America. Show me such evidence to justify your claims. Put up or shut up.

    Also show me barbarity of the other races by citing their magnitude in participation of sub-human practices like slavery, atomic bombing, colonization, baby genocide etc. Since I know you may not understand or weasel your way around, I mean something like; the maya of central america participated in ritual religious killing of (_______), they invaded Portugal and slaughtered the local population, they colonised such and such. That is the only way you can disapprove my statement of “the greatest barbarian of all time”.

    Your nitpicking like saying chinese and Japanese participated in the 2 world wars cannot even come close to my asserting that whitey started and participated in the 2 world wars and therefore this shows their diabolical tendencies. To say china also participated cannot erase my state of fact. Yours is just a straw man.

  314. @Malla

    why you talking nonsense?

    I am NOT talking nonsense and I am NOT your brother. Your are bad mouthing everyone on this forum but your Masters the Whitey. So, answer my post #305 fully, without avoiding and ducking the issue?

    • Replies: @Malla
  315. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    As far as I understand you, you’re asking whites to change – to deal more cautiously with other cultures, to not be so trusting and naive.

    So I don’t understand why you go into the genetic stuff. Wouldn’t that mean that whites cannot change?

    Isn’t it enough to say that modern European societies are more trusting and altruistic than most other societies today – something I would agree with you about.

    It seems to me that the only thing introducing genes into the discussion does is seal off all hope of change.

    Wouldn’t it better to say, look, in the recent past you guys were badasses, and you can be that way again?

    When you say that a nation or a groups behavior is genetic, all you are doing is killing hope, unless I’m missing something. So the only reason to do that it seems to me is kill off hope. Am I missing something?

    European Jews in the 19th century were known to not be workers and fighters – imagine if the Zionists believed this was genetic. Israel never would have gotten off the ground. Instead, Zionists said these were acquired traits.

    And imagine when the Japanese first met the Europeans and their superior technology – they could have simply said, well, these are genetic traits we can’t compete, obviously. Some did say that. But the Japanese in the end saw these traits as acquired.

    So let me ask you – why are you so keen on telling whites that the altruism and naivete they exhibit today are genetic and not a quoted traits? Why can’t they be acquired traits?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  316. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Thanks Truthie, I can always count on you. I screwed up with a zero , it should be 0.000000001%. Yup seven of them. I even know their names, the honourary members of the “Neo-Colonial evul YT League”: Steve, Vlad, Timmy, Chester, Fat-Sammy, Ponder (oops) and Moe.

  317. Robjil says:
    @Ponder

    It was lost a long time ago on 12.23.1913.

    Jewish White Supremacy is the ticket since then.

    Seven Nations to Destroy part 2 is for Eretz Yisrael and not for WS.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  318. Truth says:
    @BloodSpirit

    If you look hard enough, I’m sure you will find a “Murders for Pacifism” group.

    I am sure a lot of people in that industry felt that the practice was wrong, but did they feel it was wrong enough to give up their lands, lifestyles and community standing, and end up as poor as their Irish overseer? I doubt it, and they didn’t release their slaves.

    • Replies: @BloodSpirit
  319. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4764706
    Here is article that admits what I am saying. There is a new guy in town since 12.23.1913.

    White man’s burden
    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical

    More on this.

    In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history. They believe that the right political idea entails a fusion of morality and force, human rights and grit. The philosophical underpinnings of the Washington neoconservatives are the writings of Machiavelli, Hobbes and Edmund Burke. They also admire Winston Churchill and the policy pursued by Ronald Reagan. They tend to read reality in terms of the failure of the 1930s (Munich) versus the success of the 1980s (the fall of the Berlin Wall).

  320. Malla says:
    @Larchmonter420

    I am NOT talking nonsense

    Yes you are.

    I am NOT your brother

    I thank God our creator, the all holy one and most merciful for this. God has not given me much, I am a poor man , but that is his wish, I accept. But for this, I shall always thank him.

    Your are bad mouthing everyone on this forum

    No I am not, I am debating. I have not used names like “cow piss drinker”, you stupid money. Did I write anything insulting slurs about Arabs (before your cow piss BS), did I sue the N word the H..key work, Ch..k word? You are the one using bad slurs, insulting 1 billion Hindus, 1/7th of humanity.

    Masters the Whitey

    I have no master you stupid money, that son of a bitch is not born yet. So I cannot take the side of Whites on some issues. I have supported Palestinians many times on Unz (check my comments history), does that mean Palestinians are my masters? I ahve supported China on some issues, does that mean Chinese are my masters?

    So, answer my post #305 fully,

    I will answer your post. I see your problem, you are pissed because I spoke about the Arab slave trade of Africans. Does that mean I hate Arabs? No.
    And about the Arab slave trade of Africans, I am not saying it they re saying it.

    Dr. Marcus Garvey Jr – The Arab Slave Trade

    What slave traders do to Ghanaians in Libya – Asiedu Nketia reveals

    Dr. John Henrik Clarke Arab destruction of Africa

    If you have any problems with this issue, please contact these gentlemen in the videos and discuss it with them (if they are still alive). Leave me alone.

    • Agree: MrVoid
  321. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Ashoka the Great was not only fully capable of building a vast Empire (Maurya being the largest in India’s history)

    It is not the Ashoka Empire and India. I was comparing the British Empire (not only british Raj but entire empire) with those three Empires.
    OK say a real magician comes to the court of Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb, Zulu King Shaka, Maratha Peshwa Nanasaheb and show them a map of the British Empire and tell them that by magic he could give them such a huge empire, which is much larger than the empires they posses at the time, would they take it?
    You bet they would. And they would be far far more ruthless and loot like crazy . That is what I meant.

    And how long did Emperor Ashoka’s Empire last after his death? Not much right. It has always hard to unite the subcontinent. China is diverse, but India more so. India has been united for only a small part of its history. Lots of people hating and attacking each other. And the Mughal Empire under Emperor Aurangzeb I think, reached Imperial overreach while trying to conquer the whole subcontinent. Nearly went bankrupt.

    There is nothing good about British Imperialism in India just as there is nothing good about the Muslim Conquests of India. Just because the Muslim Conquerors were bad doesn’t imply — ipso facto — that the British Imperialists were good.

    I am not comparing BE with the Islamic Empires and then claiming that the BE is better. The BE was good on its own.
    Who stopped Sati in India, something no Hindu of Muslim King would dare stop? The British East India Company (not the later Raj under the Queen Empress or King Emperors), a company, answerable to directors.
    Who allowed lower caste people the right to education after a long time? The British Empire.
    Who stopped the Thugees (The Thugees were mentioned by a Chinese monk in India, maybe Faxian, he was nearly killed by them). No Islamic Sultan or Hindu King either dared stop them and many a times they shared a protection money with them. Who stopped them and eradicated the thugee secret societies who killed Indians on highways? The British Empire. And remember most thugees (the pure ones) did not attack Europeans due to some superstition. They also did not attack Hindu holy men, padres and fakirs/ imams as well as pregnant women. The Brits need not worry as they were Europeans, only us Indians were dying. No, the British stopped them.
    Who stopped the Pindari dacoits who have been looting and plaguing poor Indian peasants? The Maratha shared the loot with them. The British Empire.
    Who made laws where all Indians were equal before the law for the First time, lower caste and upper caste, Muslims and Kaffirs? The British Empire (Thomas Babington Macaulay, 1st Baron Macaulay who was also a slavery abolitionist)
    And as far as lower castes.
    ” All battles for freedom are not on equal moral plane for the simple reason that the motives and purposes behind these battles of freedom are not always the same”.

    -Dr. Ambedkar, in his article “Plea to the foreigner”.

    Could, Why Dr. Ambedkar not support the Quit India movement, be something to do with this man? Bal Gangadhar Tilak. Who was he ?

    The first and strongest advocate of Swaraj (“self-rule”) was a Chitpavan Brahmin, Bal Gangadhar Tilak (1856-1920); also know as Lokmanya. He was known as “the father of Indian unrest” by the British.

    The Age of Consent Act, 1891, also Act X of 1891, was a legislation enacted in British India on 19 March 1891 which raised the age of consent from 10 years for sexual intercourse for all girls, married or unmarried, to twelve years of age in all jurisdictions.
    The Brahmins, with Tilak as their leader, were against this 1891 Age of Consent bill, seeing it as INTERFERENCE with Hinduism and a dangerous precedent.

    REFERENCE: Jai Narain Sharma-Political Thought of Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak- Concept Publishing Company-ISBN 13:9788180695841)

    Draconian anti-humanity laws practiced in India for millenia, were being challenged by the British. Continual amendments to these laws must have become a great source of worry for the Brahmins.

    Never before did the privileged castes rebel against any other foreign ruler so vehemently. In fact they enjoyed mutually beneficial relationships with all previous invaders and were even happy to give their daughters in wedlock to the foreigners as long as they maintained the social structure designed by their dominating ancestors.

    Only the British seemed hard to convince. Here is a list (not by any means, a complete list) of other practices abolished by the British, giving the Brahmins like Tilak further reasons why they should get rid of the Brits ASAP.

    1) On 16th May 1775, under the East India regulatory act 1773, Nand kumar Dev became the FIRST EVER BRAHMIN TO BE CONVICTED OF MURDER. Prior to this date the Brahmins had exclusive impunity from state prosecution regardless of the crime.

    2) 1795: For the FIRST TIME since the decline of the Ashokan empire, Shudras were granted the right to own property by the British East India Raj.

    3) 1804: British East India Company Govt bans Female infanticide banned .

    4) 1813: Slavery abolished by the British East India Company Govt.

    5) Also in 1813: Right to education for all granted British East India Company Govt. Before this only Brahmins and Kayasthas like me had this right.

    6) 1817: Punishments according to Varna (caste) system made illegal. Equal punishment before law

    7) 1819: A ban was put on the archaic custom of a Brahmin spending the first three nights with the newly wed Shudra bride.

    8) 1830: Human sacrificial rituals made illegal by the British East India Company Govt

    9) 1835: Compulsory offering of the first born son of a Shudra to the river Ganga made illegal by the British East India Company Sahib.

    10) Also in 1835 on 7th of March, Lord Macaulay fought for and won the right to higher education for Shudras & untouchables and the right to learn English for all non Brahmins.

    Under this newly found freedom to education, the iconoclast JYOTIRAO PHULE became the first person to successfully complete matriculation becoming the most educated person from the ‘OBC Catagory’ and PERUNTHALAIVAR M.C. Rajah being the first degree holder of the Lower caste Community in India. [ B.A in Madras Christian College, Chennai in 1900 ]

    11) Untouchable were granted the right to sit on chairs.

    12) The British banned the custom of ‘sati’ in which it was obligatory for the widow of the deceased to be burnt to death.

    AND THE LIST CONTINUES …

    The abolition of these draconian anti-humanity laws was seen as an attack on the “Hindu way of life” and an obvious source of worry for the likes of Tilak. Can you really blame them for starting a movement to kick the British out?

    AT THIS RATE THE BRITISH COULD EVEN END UP ANNIHILATING THE CASTE SYSTEM ALTOGETHER!

    Who else, other than the dominant, privileged, so-called high castes, would have started such a movement?

    Should Dr. Ambedkar, who was fighting for human rights on behalf of the opppressed women, Shudras and the untouchables have joined the Brahmin-Bania alliance in the “Quit India Movement”, that was stepped up a few notches in the days of Gandhi-mania?

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  322. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Indians such as yourself should be proud that one of your “darkie” kind — Ashoka the Great

    Who says I am not?
    But I have already explained somewhere, achievements before the Industrial revolution has very little bearing on the situation after the Industrial revolution. Before the Industrial revolution, more productive land you had more rich your Empire/Kingdom was. India and China had some of the most widespread productive land. Hence China and India could support big populations and thus had huge economies. I would say at one time China and India were more than half the world economy.
    But after the Industrial revolution, human productivity matters more. More productive humans, more richer your nation. Thus pre Industrial revolution rankings cannot be carried over into the post Industrial revolution World.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  323. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    “Yes, if only we Whites had our own set of pictures, we could publish volumes of books with pictures on every page, only they’d be too sickening to look at”

    Here you go, enough pictures and information for everyone to see.

    http://www.newnation.org/index.html

  324. @Truth

    Only Anglo-Saxon slavers married to a Keira Knightley doppelganger could part with their Halle Berry. Iberians that didn’t bring their women and Jews that brought theirs held onto their Berries for dear life.

  325. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I too have spent probably far too much time ‘looking for the kernel of truth’, and like you, ‘I have found no such thing exists’. What you say about people like Michael Bradley – and of course Michael Hudson – is so true. They have both brilliant insights and carefully crafted, hard-won knowledge, but they often indulge in flights of fantasy based upon their own personal ‘pet theories’.

    It reminds me of John Allegro, whom I first encountered when I embarked upon a serious study of the origins of the Christian faith some twenty-five years ago. I shan’t bore you with the details, but I spent around ten years examining that subject in depth, and I still have an unfinished manuscript of around 40k words on the subject, which was intended to become a published work. Anyhow, Allegro was one of those scholars who formed the team tasked with examining the famous ‘Dead Sea Scrolls’. It’s a long story , but all of those scholars were seriously well qualified to conduct the task at hand. The Catholic Church had (quelle surprise!) been given overall control, under the aegis of one Father Roland de Vaux. Allegro wrote several rather tawdry little books of the ‘Shock Horror!’ variety in the wake of his studies under de Vaux. But here’s the thing: although his theories and conclusions were, to say the least, ‘out there’ (as you put it), his grasp of the facts, and indeed his own researches, were stunningly accurate and informative. As indeed one would expect from someone chosen to conduct such an important task as the study, translation and deciphering of the Qumran texts.

    So yes; I totally concur with your modus operandi regarding these ‘out there’ people. Some are, undoubtedly (David Icke?) beyond redemption. Others (John Allegro, Michael Bradley) have much worthwhile to teach us. The art is, as you hint, that of winnowing the wheat from the chaff.

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  326. Thim says:

    A low IQ source. A shallow article from a pack of dim bulbs, but what can we expect?

    The KKK was Masonic, beginning to end, top to bottom. And Masonry was created specifically as a religion, a secret religion, designed to include the Jews at every level. As a replacement for Christianity.

    So the South became solidly Masonic, and stayed that way. Most of it still is. So who could be surprised if Jews played a major part in such an establishment? It was specifically designed to include them.

    The dark ones have made no contribution to our Southland. They have always been our misfortune, and now more than ever.

    And the Nation Of Islam is not Islamic.

  327. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    As far as I understand you, you’re asking whites to change – to deal more cautiously with other cultures, to not be so trusting and naive.

    See listen, what I see a vicious hatred for White people especially Nords in non Whites.It may be partly justifiable but I think it is something else. Maybe a history of colonialism etc.. is the reason for this, but if you ask me, colonialism is an excuse. There is something more in this. There is something in White people which brings out this response. And hence in my personal opinion, the best solution is to withdraw. Withdraw from non White world. The non White World hates you, withdraw from them. Be like a hermit kingdom but unlike hermit kingdom Korea keep your eyes and ears open just in case of impending threats. The withdrawal should be so complete that there should be no White people in the magazines and media of the non White world, maybe the majority average non Whites would not even know White people even exist. Just trade and that is all. What I write may not seem very pragmatic but I am just giving the framework of an ideology. If White people are so “evul”, better to widraw. Since the evul ones are trying to withdraw, why should non-Whites complain?
    White people especially Nords are people who were meant to live alone as the bible says. Maybe same with the Japanese too. If say it is true, Jews were responsible for large migrations of non-Whites in gentile White land, then the Jews have done a great service for gentile Whites. Made them realize the futility of having anything to do with non Whites, to remove the romantic view of non Whites many Whites had. For this the gentile Whites should be grateful to Jews. Whatever White people do, they will be hated, good or bad. After all the bad as well as good that they have done like stop slavery, charities, stop Sati, modern technology and medicine etc… they will always be hated. There is wisdom in the bible, wisdom from GOD “Thou art to live alone”. The message is for them.They will have to understand this harsh reality. Maybe GOD wants them to realise this.
    Look, the current Globalist power structure of the West follows the invade the world , invite the world policy. Use White countries as weapons against non White countries and then invite non Whites into White countries as demographic weapons against the average White populations. Both are wrong, both needs to be stopped and reversed. Both evils feed off each other, one cannot be stopped without the other. Invite the World needs to stop too as other non Whites may use White nations as weapons. We know about the growing Indian lobby in the USA and UK. Indians living there may use these nations as weapons against say Pakistan. I am Indian and even I think this is wrong. If India is right, India needs to be supported, if Pakistan is right then Pakistan should be supported. But the best is if White people/nations, withdraw as much as possible from the World. But for that White people have to destroy the dominant globalist power structure which will never allow such a withdraw.
    The White Man’s Burden was a disaster. Biggest mistake in human history.

    So I don’t understand why you go into the genetic stuff. Wouldn’t that mean that whites cannot change?

    Nothing is 100% genetic. It is a combination of genetics and environments. Genetic tendencies and abilities interact with various environments to give different results. Both play their part. If you ignore the genetic aspect, you will try providing the same environmental conditions but will get different results. Indeed by deeply understanding the genetic aspects, you can tailor make external conditions for a better outcome.
    From Guillaume Durocher’ article ‘The Essential Burke’
    https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-essential-burke/
    “Burke is sensitive to the impact of both in-born human nature and upbringing and living conditions in defining men’s character. The ancient lawgivers, he says, “were sensible that the operation of this second nature [upbringing and living conditions] on the first [in-born nature] produced a new combination; and thence arose many diversities among men” (185).

    By contrast, the French revolutionaries refused to recognize the diversity of really existing men, but spoke only of “man” in the abstract. Burke lambasts them for being at war with human nature and destroying inherited institutions which bound society together in the name of impossible equality:”

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  328. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    So let me ask you – why are you so keen on telling whites that the altruism and naivete they exhibit today are genetic and not a quoted traits? Why can’t they be acquired traits?

    I never said it is totally genetic. It is a combination. People with certain genetic tendencies responded to external factors like Christianity and enlightenment. Other people may not respond the same way to these external stimuli. Of course we talk of average of populations. An individual can be anything. An individual is its own result of combinations of in born traits and environmental factors.

  329. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    I don’t know man, I think every one just hates everyone all the time. You know the history of warfare and persecution between European states and within them. And Japan was constantly in a state of internal war.

    I think if you took a million tall blue eyed blond haired Nordics, and isolated them somewhere and came back in 100 years, you’d find they divided into a hundred camps all fighting each other.

    Because, in effect, that’s what Europe was, and that’s what Europe did.

    We had that experiment already.

    Any kind of difference at all is a cause for fighting. Race is just one of them, and not the biggest by far. Its just most noticeable today because other divisions matter less for the time being. No one takes religion seriously in the West. Muslims, who still take religion seriously, are constantly fighting each other and everyone else they come into contact with.

    As with the hatred for whites by non-whites, its comparable to the hatred of Jews and has the same reason. Any elite people will be resented and hated even if it’s the kindest and most philanthropic people in the world. Jews also benefited humanity but only the bad things they’ve done are pointed out. Its the same reason Japan is so resented and hated in Asia. You can’t be a Chosen People and not be hated. If you’re going to take that path, you have to accept it. Benefiting people just rubs it in more.

    Humanity wants to wallow in the mud – you try and lift it up, you will be resented. Studies have shown people dislike those who are “too good”. I’ve found in my life that when I am around people who have lower moral standards than me, I’m disliked. I once made an enemy because I returned extra change I received at a store. The guy was outraged at my “stupidity”. I’m not talking just about preachy types and goody two shoes types – no one likes them.

    That said, whites are resented but also admired.

    I’m not for the way whites are demonized in the modern world. But I don’t think the solution is the kind of white supremacy found on this site. One breeds the other.

    In my early days on this site my comments were pro-white and critical of Jews, but as I saw this site transform into an extreme white supremacist site, and Ron Unz shifted into rabid drool at the mouth anti-Semitism, I started criticizing white supremacy more and defending Jews more. Extreme tend to provoke a reaction.

    As for gene, environment interaction, I agree with you. Individuals are different and so are group averages. As long as you acknowledge the role of culture and environment is substantial and often determinative, I have no quarrel with you.

    Genes also are something we don’t understand so I would not even say we can talk about traits being permanent in the genetic sense. Better to just be pragmatic and realistic. Such and such a group exhibit the following traits now. Such and such a person seems to have inherited his fathers disposition. What environmental changes might we make in order to change that. What’s failed in the past.

    Genes add nothing to the discussion. A group or a person may have an observed predisposition now. Look into history and use common sense to see if you can change it.

    As for whites being naive and altruistic, I would say the relevant point is not so much is that consistent with history, but does this model really help us effect change. What I see among whites is not so much altruism as self-hate. This is something much more serious than merely thinking every one is equal. In fact, it’s just a reversal of the old ideas of inequality. And that needs a different explanation, and if you actually read what the great thinkers of Europe had to say about its quite clear that its caused by the disenchantment of the world on the one hand, and faith in rationality in the other.

  330. Mefobills says:
    @GeeBee

    The art is, as you hint, that of winnowing the wheat from the chaff.

    I’m an auto-didactic and can learn by picking up a book. But, not everybody is like that, as there is much variation in human types.

    The Greek Trivium Classical Education would winnow in a group setting. After the students define the terms, then they would debate, coming to some sort of high agreement.

    https://earthstarfreedom.com/the-7-liberal-arts-trivium-quadrivium-a-foundation-education-method/

    Sadly, people are not taught in this method today. So, we have to wade through mountains of chaff. I am afraid normies are overwhelmed by the chaff, and need people like you and I to help guide them.

    The ancient Greeks, before debate stage, would have to acquire knowledge of their subject, so that is a form of self learning. After the knowledge acquisition period, then the Greek kids would define terms, and then go on to debate. Today we talk past each other as our terms are not defined.

    Today’s internet blogosphere is a poor substitute for debate style of Trivium. As I am fond of saying, Clown world has many authors.

    My view is that modernity is purposefully designed to confuse and hoax people. Chaos is a funded operation out of usury flows.

    I got a clue as a teenager in Public School, when a Jewess came to program us about Israel. Obviously she was funded in some way.

    Another time we were narrative programmed by an agent from the Nuclear Power Industry.

    There were never opposite narratives allowed, as in the debate style of the Trivium.

  331. vot tak says:
    @BloodSpirit

    Can’t argue with that. 😀

  332. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    But I have already explained somewhere, achievements before the Industrial revolution has very little bearing on the situation after the Industrial revolution. Before the Industrial revolution, more productive land you had more rich your Empire/Kingdom was. India and China had some of the most widespread productive land. Hence China and India could support big populations and thus had huge economies. I would say at one time China and India were more than half the world economy.
    But after the Industrial revolution, human productivity matters more. More productive humans, more richer your nation. Thus pre Industrial revolution rankings cannot be carried over into the post Industrial revolution World.

    This paper argues that the First Industrial Revolution in England was empirical in character unlike the Second Industrial Revolution in Germany which was scientific in nature. The British inventors were just mechanical tinkerers who didn’t understand the science behind their inventions. Song China had already experienced a socio-economic phenomenon similar to the First Industrial Revolution in England. Water engines powered the proto-industrial economy of Song China which lacked the steam engine that powered England’s Industrial Revolution. Here’s the paper:

    https://economicdynamics.org/meetpapers/2013/paper_351.pdf

    Before the Industrial Revolution in England, Bengal was the world’s largest producer of cotton textiles in the world. The British Imperialists sabotaged the cotton textile industry in Bengal in order to promote the growth and development of England’s own industry. Here’s a paper on the effect of England’s Industrial Revolution on Bengal’s cotton textile industry:

    http://iosrjournals.org/iosr-jhss/papers/Vol19-issue4/Version-4/C019441116.pdf

    • Replies: @Malla
  333. Ponder says:

    Now to be clear of my intentions, I oppose the blanket terms of things like blacks are ……………..whatever or any other such blanket statements on anything.

    I pointed the magnitude of the barbarity of the western white man so as to force the inclusion into the discussion the barbarity of those advocating the supremacy and purity of the white man. He is no more pure than any other race.

    Most arguments here devolve to the micro level and ignore the macro institutionalised level. At the micro level very many factors are involved in each individual circumstances and so, it is difficult to isolate motives, attitudes and factors that drove said behaviour.

    Good people are found in all races period. If we seek truth and peace, let us face reality with all the accompanying ugly truths that entails. The true mark of the intellect is unbiased acceptance of where the facts lead. That is why scientists make progress. Those wedded to certain theories stagnate when faced with facts contradicting their theories and those open minded progress onwards.

    Like AaronB said to malla, Europeans fought each other and among each other without any influence nor interference from any other race, in response to Malla’s suggestion that whites self isolate.

    The solution to the human race is simple but difficult to implement; at the macro level in all institutions, nations and states, the application of the maxim “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Let the strong allow themselves to be guided by this moral principle and all others shall start to fall in line. Let every violation of this principle be met with reasonable justice meted out and from the macro shall the behaviour influence mightily the micro.

    Do you see how the jews deal with each other in fear of the judgement of transgressing their law? Yeah. That the jews do not defraud one another is ample proof it can be done. The only problem arises when one race, people or nation attribute “chosenness” or exceptionalism to themselves. Which inevitably leads to subjugation of the untermensch. If your own kind is guilty, then guilty it must be. If innocent, then innocent it is.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  334. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Draconian anti-humanity laws practiced in India for millenia, were being challenged by the British. Continual amendments to these laws must have become a great source of worry for the Brahmins.

    Never before did the privileged castes rebel against any other foreign ruler so vehemently. In fact they enjoyed mutually beneficial relationships with all previous invaders and were even happy to give their daughters in wedlock to the foreigners as long as they maintained the social structure designed by their dominating ancestors

    I cited Ashoka to disprove your claim that only the British were enlightened in ruling India while the Mughals were culpable of benighted rule. The Turkic-Mongol Mughals were already Persianized by the time they conquered India who then recruited lots of Persians to work as scholars, artists, architects, scientists, officials, engineers, etc. in Mughal India. The Mughal reign was characterized their patronage of the arts with the introduction of Indo-Persian culture into India, the greatest example being the Taj Mahal which was built by the Mughal Emperor, Shah Jahan, as a tribute to his third wife, a Persian Princess by the name of Mumtaz Mahal. The Mughals such as Akbar the Great were also quite tolerant of the diverse religions of India including their preferential treatment of Hindus.

    In addition to Ashoka the Great, I can also cite Cyrus the Great as a magnanimous Asian ruler who was instrumental in creating the world’s first declaration of “human rights” in the form of the Cyrus Cylinder:

    • Replies: @Malla
  335. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    I too am something of an auto-didact, although I did have the benefit of a good education at an elite English school, where we learned classics (Latin & Greek mythology etc), languages and ancient and modern history – the usual fare for what used to be regarded as a good education (no more, of course). After school, I did a Business Studies degree and then veered off into a career in the British Army. I was always affected by what I can only describe as a hunger for knowledge, however, and embarked upon a wide number of subjects with real zeal, often bordering on obsession (we’re all ‘on the spectrum’, as the saying goes!) more or less from the time I left school. That’s the auto-didact part. Only later in life, however, did I come to understand ‘the rabbit hole’ and red pills. As you say, the likes of you and I have a mission to instruct!

    Anyhow, to return to Michael Bradley’s anthropological/historical themes, I recall, a few months ago, your most interesting excursus into the origins of the Jews, in which you mentioned that they started off as people who were expelled from various City States three and more thousand years ago, for having caused the usual sort of trouble: money lending, usury, swindling, huckstering – the whole Jewish ‘schtick’ – and that they became outcasts, wandering with the ‘caravaneers’, making a shekel or two where they could and nurturing a deep sense of loathing for the polities that had rumbled their scheming and expelled them. I also recall your sound logical deduction from these fascinating historical insights in that Jews continue this resentment – this loathing in fact – for the countries that they infest and parasitise, and that ultimately they deliberately set out to weaken, and finally destroy them, as a matter of active policy. They feel zero loyalty to any of their victims, much less to their polities, but are loyal only unto their own kind.

    What I couldn’t help wondering, in light of your linking to Michael Bradley, is whether you had got this ‘caravaneering’ information from his researches, and if not, what sources did you consult in this regard? It is certainly a subject of remarkable importance, but of course one that is more or less verboten to talk about.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  336. antibeast says:
    @BloodSpirit

    Difference is Aryans i.e. Indo-Europeans were White.

    The Proto-Indo-European-speakers who had originated in the Eurasian Steppe were technically “Eurasian” because they had ancestors from Siberia (North Asia) as well as from Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. The Indo-European-speakers who had moved to Europe BECAME European (“White”) by intermixing with native Europeans while the Indo-Iranian-speakers who had moved to Asia BECAME Asians by intermixing with native Asians. The ancient Europeans who were descended from Indo-European-speakers didn’t call themselves “Aryans” but the ancient Iranians who were descended from Indo-Iranian-speakers called themselves “Aryans” by the time of Darius the Great and named their country “Iran” which means “Land of Aryans” (in Persian) by the time of the Sassanid Empire.

    The term “Proto-Indo-European” is a misnomer because it misleads people to think that the PIE-speakers were Europeans when they’re in fact Eurasians. The correct term is “Proto-Indo-Eurasian” family of languages originating in the Eurasian Steppe with a European branch (“Indo-European”) and an Asian branch (“Indo-Iranian”).

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  337. Z-man says:
    @Philosophia

    They say the original Aryans came from the Himalayas, well east of the Caucuses.
    Persian (Iranian) is an Indo-European language related to some extent to the European Italic, Germanic and Slavic tongues while Hebrew is not related to the European languages.

  338. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The Proto-Indo-European-speakers who had originated in the Eurasian Steppe were technically “Eurasian” because they had ancestors from Siberia (North Asia) as well as from Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. The Indo-European-speakers who had moved to Europe BECAME European (“White”) by intermixing with native Europeans while the Indo-Iranian-speakers who had moved to Asia BECAME Asians by intermixing with native Asians.

    Eurasians in those days were White. Eurasia is close to Europe, in your mind there could not have been Whites outside Europe, which is not true.
    What do you mean by Siberians? If you mean East Asians, that is bull shit. There is hardly any East Asian genetic influence in the genetics of the Indian Subcontinent mainland.

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  339. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    I pointed the magnitude of the barbarity of the western white man so as to force the inclusion into the discussion the barbarity of those advocating the supremacy and purity of the white man. He is no more pure than any other race.

    White supremacy may not be true but why does White ‘purity’ real or imagined affect you? What difference does so called “White purity” matter? Even if it is fake, why does it matter.

  340. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    I cited Ashoka to disprove your claim that only the British were enlightened in ruling India while the Mughals were culpable of benighted rule.

    I never claimed the British were the only enlightened ruler, I am saying they had a good side to their rule. But all these rulers could not stop Sati or thuggees. For thousands of years. Also never has equality before the law exist before the British came.

  341. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    Now, you argue that their barbarity was enabled by their capability, where does morality come in?

    You misunderstand. Others were even more barbaric than them, their capacity of conquests were less. Had they built empires as big as European Empires, it would have been much worse.

    They were morally superior till they embarked on genociding red Indians, enslaving Africans, colonizing Africa, Americas, Asia and Australia, starting world wars, atomic bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, using depleted uranium in the middle east,

    All of your earlier accusation actions have been done by non Whites. Slavery was common throughout the world, it were White people who eventually put an end to it. Genociding and Empire building have been taking place from beginning of time too. If non Whites had the ability, they would have done it on much larger scale than Whites. Again you mistake ability with morality.
    As far as the later accusations, the Western elites were anti-White, why would they destroy Nazi Germany then? Why would they allow millions of non Whites into Western lands and ban White nationalist organisations? Why is youtube banning White nationalist videos?

    I should go scouring the internet to pick up videos of Indians with cuckoo ideas and mindsets and post about 10 of them and prove that is how Indians think?

    Of course you will not believe those videos because they say Chinese are new colonials. Typical behaviour. Go and read their comment sections, loads of Africans why consider Chinese new colonial masters. Ignore this at your own peril.

    or example Indians stupid obsessions with competing with China and their hatred to China because they are ahead of them? I am I intelligent enough to know some brainwashed Indians can be influenced by propaganda for political reasons but you apparently are too stupid to understand that. What we are to watch is what Indian will do amidst the rhetoric.

    You are an idiot, I have myself opposed this anti-China movement in India.

    Botswana is an African country with very standards of living but watch whitey dismember it like they did Libya.

    “Whitey” had a long time to dismember Botswana if they wanted. Why did Whitey not destroy Singapore, USA, Qatar, Bahrain etc… where locals live very good life? It is not Whitey vs the World, it is globalist elites vs the World including Whitey. Why did the globalist elites destroy NS Germany, Fascist Italy and Yugoslavia? So they destroy Yugoslavia, a White country but not rich brown UAE or Qatar?

    I write to you about China because you probably don’t know how they have managed to succeed where Africa and India have failed. You Indians are still as poverty stricken as Africans and yet you idiotically don’t know about neo-colonialism.

    We know about so called neo colonialism. Indians consider China the new colonial force, if you do not understand this, you do not understand India. India is not poor because of “Western or Chinese neocolonialism”, India is poor because of internal factors, our attitudes, manners, mindsets and behaviours. So is most of the Third world.

    But how can you know when your racist views obscure you from seeing your oppressor ( but more so the lower castes which doesn’t bother you because you are at the top of the Indian food chain. If they suffer so what – they deserve it they are darkies who are sub-human)

    You are an idiot. It were the colonial British who helped the lower caste gain knowledge and equality. The anti-British were the elites upper castes.

    Modi stupidly doing the bidding of his masters did what to your currency a few years back? Do you even know why the darkies of your race were swindled of their hard earned money in that stupid stunt Modi did of outlawing already legitimate circulating currency and mandating all Indians to change that old currency therefore disenfranchising the poor Indians who didn’t have bank accounts?

    Dude, Modi did that to destroy the opposition parties and strengthen the BJP. Indians for ages have been talking about illegal funds and “black money” of the rich. When Modi did that, nearly all Indians supported him. It came out to be a disaster. Indians themselves have been demanding this demonetization for a long time.
    This is actually a result of the kind of idiotic mindset you have. Indians blamed evul White British for keeping them poor. But even after 70 years of independence, Indian remain poor, so who now to blame? So lets blame “Black money”, the rich “brown British” who are looting the country. When Modi, the man of the people, man of the “common man of the soil”, demonetised, everybody was happy that now India will become rich. It was a disaster. This is because of the same idiotic mindset you have. Instead of blaming Whitey or something else, the people need to self reflect and improve themselves. In India, people who think like you are Modi supporters.

    You are a very childish man whose brain has been eaten away by Marxist drivel. The world is not Whitey vs non Whitey. It is too complicated for that. Modi is India. India is Modi. Modi is in a way decolonisation process in action. Modi represents the “common man” in India. He was a tea seller. Why did Indians vote for Modi twice? Ask this question. Modi is the result of decolonisation mindset, with Modi, Hindu India becomes itself again.
    The world is not Whitey Vs the rest. It is much more complicated than that. Get some maturity. Grow up. Childish man.

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  342. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    This paper argues that the First Industrial Revolution in England was empirical in character unlike the Second Industrial Revolution in Germany which was scientific in nature. The British inventors were just mechanical tinkerers who didn’t understand the science behind their inventions. Song China had already experienced a socio-economic phenomenon similar to the First Industrial Revolution in England. Water engines powered the proto-industrial economy of Song China which lacked the steam engine that powered England’s Industrial Revolution. Here’s the paper:

    You misunderstand. It is not Song China Vs England. It is the kind of mindset needed to take advantage of an industrial society for maximum success. It is not about inventions. Just because you were successful before the Industrial Revolution (productive land) does not neccesarily mean you will be successful after the Industrial revolution (productive people). Inventions move easily across borders eventually.

    The British Imperialists sabotaged the cotton textile industry in Bengal in order to promote the growth and development of England’s own industry.

    That is utter rubbish. Initially the British East India Company made money by exporting Bengal cloth to Europe. When the British parliament was seeking protective measures against the import of Bengal cloth, the EIC opposed it, obviously as it made money by importing Bengal cloth to Great Britain.
    The fall in prominence of the Bengal handloom industry was not British vs Bengalis but more of man vs machines. Because, the cloth handloom sectors in Europe as well as England was badly affected by machine made cloth too. It was not only Bengal or India. European handloom industry too suffered.
    Secondly the Bengal handloom section did not disappear, it is just that exports stopped and british imports of machine made cloth increased. This actually led to fall in the price of clothing in India and poor people in India could now afford better clothing than ever before. the price of clothing fell in India. import of British cloth harmed Indian spinners, but Indian weavers bought cheaper British material and themselves became successful and made more profits
    Eventually British India had their own Cloth mills many owned by Indians who started out competing the now more expensive British cloth. British Indian Mill cloth drove away British Mill cloth out of the China market and now competed with Japanese Mill cloth in the same market.
    Since 1880, British Indian Export of clothing was higher ever in its entire history before the British came. That is because the Industrial revolution had reached India, much before Japan and China.

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    , @antibeast
  343. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    advocating the supremacy and purity of the white man

    Wait a second, “White supremacist” America and Europe allowed millions of non Whites to migrate into their countries and were given citizenship. Will PR China allow that? From 1965 till today, 3 million us brown Indians were allowed to migrate to USA and most have got citizenship and are thus “Americans”, will people’s Republic of China allow that? will they be considered Chinese? If yes, then show by actions, then speak. Allow 3 million of us Indians to migrate to China and give them citizenship (you can use some delays) and consider them Chinese. Actually proportional to population, 12 million Indians (China’s population 4X USA) should be allowed into China and given citizenship. Only then speak of race superiority and purity. “White supremacist” West also allowed millions of Africans (not descendants of slaves) and Arabs to migrate and get citizenship. Is rich PR China allowing that? Why not? Is China more racist than West? Is it because of Chinese purity and supremacy?
    “White supremacist” Britain allowed 1.8 million blacks into Britain and gave citizenship from nearly zero from the 1950s. Proportionally (China pop 20X UK), China should allow 36 million Blacks from Africa and Caribbean to China, giving them citizenship. Plus more blacks if we count Blacks allowed to come and redise in Europe, Canada and USA.
    When you do this action, then talk about White supremacy and purity.
    Many American companies are headed by Indian CEOs. How many Chinese companies are headed by Indian CEOs? Is China racist? Why no Indian CEOs in racist China? First do action, allow them and then talk about these topics.

  344. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Eurasians in those days were White. Eurasia is close to Europe, in your mind there could not have been Whites outside Europe, which is not true.

    White = European Caucasoid. By that definition, West and Central Asian Caucasoids are not “White”.

    What do you mean by Siberians? If you mean East Asians, that is bull shit. There is hardly any East Asian genetic influence in the genetics of the Indian Subcontinent mainland.

    The ancient Siberians are technically ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) who migrated Westward into Eastern Europe at around 10,000 years ago and admixed with indigenous Eastern Europeans to become EHG (Eastern Hunter Gatherers). Their male EHG descendants later admixed with female CHG (Caucasus Hunter Gatherers) to become the PIE-speaking nomadic pastoralists in the Eurasian Steppe. The remaining Siberians later admixed with ancient East Asians who migrated to Siberia around 10,000 ya. This latter group then crossed the Beringia into North America to become Native Americans. Those who remained in Siberia eventually became the Finnic-Ugric speakers in Russia and Eastern Europe.

    Due to the migration of Indo-European-speakers who carried the ANE genes into Europe, modern Europeans actually share a common ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) ancestry as Native Americans! Also, the allele for blond hair originated in the ANE.

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  345. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    You replied “its globalist elite vs the world including whitey”.

    So, you do know the truth. If you can figure out nuances within the power structure, why write the drivel you write? Why ignore the evidence before you and whitewash it? Why use hypotheticals like the other empires would have conquered the world if they could (use of absolute terms like you are God who is omniscient) while totally ignoring that the white race did and still rules the world? To push your hatred? You couldn’t answer AaronB could you? Your answer would belie your agenda?

    Ever hear of the industrial revolution? Why are slaves required if the economic engine has moved from agrarian to industrial? Like I said malla, learn to read the true macro reasons and not the micro.

    Modi did it to destroy the opposition? Is not India a one man one vote? Are not the poor people whom were affected by Modi’s decree more likely to move to the opposition after their livelihoods are destroyed? Have you heard of a cashless society? India unfortunately was a pilot project to gather information on the effects and reaction of 3rd world nations in the push to a cashless society. Malla, learn macro and not micro. Every country is affected by the globalist elite as you yourself attest. So why ignore that in things like neo-colonialism when India is also deeply affected? Indians are being drawn to attack China and the common man is brainwashed by propaganda. Surely you can now see this now, even if you opposed it before because it was wrong. I keep repeating macro and at least you did do some of it in this response.

    Also, stop your hatred and understand that truth ; things like China would never have became what it is today, if the globalists did not make a mistake in moving industry to China thinking to later devour that nation like they have done all others. They are that powerful. China would just be like India. So how to reconcile this with your world view? Any nation can prosper under the right conditions.

    There is enough hatred in this world without you also jumping in with blanket statements of accusations. You referring to God should make you pause for God judges individual actions and not family actions nor national actions but individual actions within family, nation etc. Became a better man than that. Peace

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  346. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    Also never forget that those globalists are whitey.

    I was using your same methodology to cause you to rethink your attitude. Just because globalists are whitey cannot make the entire white race evil. See. There are good white people who would refuse your drivel about darkies. Every race has evil doers. The poor become petty criminals while the rich become macro criminals. But are all poor, petty criminals? If course not. Are all rich macro criminals? Of course not.

    Have you ever read the history of late 18 and early 19 century Great Britain? Have you read novels written by Charles Dickens, who captured the state of the poor among the British? Do you how Australia became a British colony? Did you know that aristocratic Britain wanted a place to take their petty criminals away from Britain? Poverty can make man do things that they would otherwise never do. Just remember that. Read Dmitri Orlov’s 5 stages of collapse and see how he describes a collapsed society. Look at peppers in the US constantly talking about how to secure themselves in case of collapse to realize that intelligent humans know the connection between poverty and micro barbarity; those decent people in times of plenty become something else in times of scarcity. And that my friend is why humanity is the way it is. Our animalistic nature is just barely controlled by civilisation. Many resort to barbarism quite easily. That is why despite all the intelligence and ability in the world right now, we cannot solve simple issues like food. The world already produces enough to feed all humans but vested interest ensure that this food is destroyed rather than distributed. This man’s Achilles heel.

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  347. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The fall in prominence of the Bengal handloom industry was not British vs Bengalis but more of man vs machines. Because, the cloth handloom sectors in Europe as well as England was badly affected by machine made cloth too. It was not only Bengal or India. European handloom industry too suffered.

    Tell that to Dr Shashi Tharoor:

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    , @Malla
  348. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    You couldn’t answer AaronB could you?

    I am going to answer him. Hold your horses.

    while totally ignoring that the white race did and still rules the world?

    They do not rule the world.

    Ever hear of the industrial revolution?

    Were there slaves in Britain?

    Modi did it to destroy the opposition? Is not India a one man one vote?

    you do not understand. He made the opposition parties bankrupt. Elections in India runs of “black money”. The ruling BJP party (Modi’s party) converted their own cash into new cash before the demonetization. But the other parties did not know. That is why Congress (INC), DMK, Trinamool, Bahujan Samaj Party, Samajwadi Party etc….got screwed.

    Are not the poor people whom were affected by Modi’s decree more likely to move to the opposition after their livelihoods are destroyed?

    Yes but those poor people foolishly voted for him. They even foolishly voted for him a second time.

    India unfortunately was a pilot project to gather information on the effects and reaction of 3rd world nations in the push to a cashless society

    Yes this is the macro reason. Push for cashless society. But cashless is happening everywhere. Even in China and Russia. In China there is face recognition, a NWO surveillance project. Is China a pilot project for face recognition tech?

    Every country is affected by the globalist elite as you yourself attest. So why ignore that in things like neo-colonialism when India is also deeply affected?

    This neocolonisation is not White. They are even more anti-White than they are anti-darkie. They are using White countries they control as weapons.

    Indians are being drawn to attack China and the common man is brainwashed by propaganda. Surely you can now see this now, even if you opposed it before because it was wrong.

    I want India to be friendly to China. I want India to even give back Arunachal Pradesh, it does not belong to us. I want India to stop claiming over Akshai Chin. It never belong to us.

    Also, stop your hatred and understand that truth ; things like China would never have became what it is today, if the globalists did not make a mistake in moving industry to China thinking to later devour that nation like they have done all others. They are that powerful.

    Exactly. And China screwed them over. I support that. China did a great thing. At least we agree on something.

    Any nation can prosper under the right conditions.

    Yes, Those right conditions have to be internally created. By discipline, higher productivity, high civilized behaviour, high trust society at micro level not by blame YT and blame Yellow. Blame YT and blame yellow actually prevents all that internal good conditions from developing.

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  349. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    LOL this is easy

    What Britain Did to India

    What the British Did to IndiaA video documenting the bad things done by the bad man who is bad.— Discord and A Cool Guy You Should Give Money —Donate to Cool Tapes:https://www.patreon.com/CoolTapeshttps://thecoolesttapes.blogspot.com/2019/01/cool-tapes.htmlDiscord:https://discord.gg/QW7cAR4— Sources —1- Literacy In India:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India#The_British_Period2 – Education Spending in India:https://eml.berkeley.edu/~webfac/cromer/e211_f07/chaudhary.pdfIndian Population Numbers used :3 – For 0 to 1600:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India#History4 – For 1600 to 1871:http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/56838/1/__lse.ac.uk_storage_LIBRARY_Secondary_libfile_shared_repository_Content_Broadberry,%20S_India%20great%20divergence_Broadberry_India%20great%20divergence_2014.pdf- Table 15 – For 1871 to 1941:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India#Late_19th_century_to_early_20th_century6- Steel Production in India:http://sci-hub.tw/10.1177/0019464610048001047 – Twomey's Landmark work on Indian Textiles:https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/25347/0000794.pdf?sequence=18 – Agricultural Imports to the UK 1896-1900:https://books.google.com/books?id=pDIaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=British+cotton+imports+by+country+1900&source=bl&ots=_8Y8co-0cv&sig=A9v859-RbaL2uCFCF3UWVsdFgUU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwi77Cq-ffAhWo0FQKHT3wAkMQ6AEwFnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false9 – UN Balance of Trade Statistics:https://unstats.un.org/unsd/trade/imts/Historical%20data%201900-1960.pdf10 – Irrigation Data:http://www.fao.org/nr/water/aquastat/countries_regions/ind/index.stm11 – British Empire Revenue Data:https://www.ewoutfrankema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Raising_Revenue.JGH_.2010.pdf12 – India Tax Revenues and Expenditures:http://www.helsinki.fi/iehc2006/papers2/Richards57.pdf13 – Great Paper on Indian GDP per capita:http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/56838/1/__lse.ac.uk_storage_LIBRARY_Secondary_libfile_shared_repository_Content_Broadberry,%20S_India%20great%20divergence_Broadberry_India%20great%20divergence_2014.pdf14 – Historical GDP numbers used:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)#1%E2%80%932008_(Maddison)(Also used to infer that Germany was 33.85% of Continental Western Europe's economy in 1900, and based on source 9's trade statistics, would make Germany the UK's largest export market assuming Germany bought UK goods in proportion to the size of their economy.)15 – The more "colonized" by Europeans a country was, the better off it is:https://www.nber.org/papers/w18162.pdfhttps://www.nber.org/papers/w12546.pdfMeasured either in terms of years under European control or the proportion of the population that is European.— May I have Another? —http://thealternativehypothesis.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/AltHypeReader.pdfhttps://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/race-and-iq/

    Posted by The Alternative Hypothesis on Thursday, January 17, 2019

    Shashi Tharoor debunked.

    LOL see Tharoor is a smart guy, very rare for an Indian politician one of the most high quality person in our Parliament. But the is a Congressi who have been teaching us all kinds of lies about the British. These are the same Congresis tho brainwashed us about China in 1962 (Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai B.S.).
    It is these lies and bullshit spread among the people which finally gave rise to the BJP which is not only anti-British but anti Muslim as well. That is where lies lead you at the end.

  350. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    LOL this is easy

    What Britain Did to India

    What the British Did to IndiaA video documenting the bad things done by the bad man who is bad.— Discord and A Cool Guy You Should Give Money —Donate to Cool Tapes:https://www.patreon.com/CoolTapeshttps://thecoolesttapes.blogspot.com/2019/01/cool-tapes.htmlDiscord:https://discord.gg/QW7cAR4— Sources —1- Literacy In India:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India#The_British_Period2 – Education Spending in India:https://eml.berkeley.edu/~webfac/cromer/e211_f07/chaudhary.pdfIndian Population Numbers used :3 – For 0 to 1600:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India#History4 – For 1600 to 1871:http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/56838/1/__lse.ac.uk_storage_LIBRARY_Secondary_libfile_shared_repository_Content_Broadberry,%20S_India%20great%20divergence_Broadberry_India%20great%20divergence_2014.pdf- Table 15 – For 1871 to 1941:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India#Late_19th_century_to_early_20th_century6- Steel Production in India:http://sci-hub.tw/10.1177/0019464610048001047 – Twomey's Landmark work on Indian Textiles:https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/25347/0000794.pdf?sequence=18 – Agricultural Imports to the UK 1896-1900:https://books.google.com/books?id=pDIaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=British+cotton+imports+by+country+1900&source=bl&ots=_8Y8co-0cv&sig=A9v859-RbaL2uCFCF3UWVsdFgUU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwi77Cq-ffAhWo0FQKHT3wAkMQ6AEwFnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false9 – UN Balance of Trade Statistics:https://unstats.un.org/unsd/trade/imts/Historical%20data%201900-1960.pdf10 – Irrigation Data:http://www.fao.org/nr/water/aquastat/countries_regions/ind/index.stm11 – British Empire Revenue Data:https://www.ewoutfrankema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Raising_Revenue.JGH_.2010.pdf12 – India Tax Revenues and Expenditures:http://www.helsinki.fi/iehc2006/papers2/Richards57.pdf13 – Great Paper on Indian GDP per capita:http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/56838/1/__lse.ac.uk_storage_LIBRARY_Secondary_libfile_shared_repository_Content_Broadberry,%20S_India%20great%20divergence_Broadberry_India%20great%20divergence_2014.pdf14 – Historical GDP numbers used:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)#1%E2%80%932008_(Maddison)(Also used to infer that Germany was 33.85% of Continental Western Europe's economy in 1900, and based on source 9's trade statistics, would make Germany the UK's largest export market assuming Germany bought UK goods in proportion to the size of their economy.)15 – The more "colonized" by Europeans a country was, the better off it is:https://www.nber.org/papers/w18162.pdfhttps://www.nber.org/papers/w12546.pdfMeasured either in terms of years under European control or the proportion of the population that is European.— May I have Another? —http://thealternativehypothesis.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/AltHypeReader.pdfhttps://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/race-and-iq/

    Posted by The Alternative Hypothesis on Thursday, January 17, 2019

    Click the first link.

    Shashi Tharoor debunked.

    LOL see Tharoor is a smart guy, very rare for an Indian politician one of the most high quality person in our Parliament. But the is a Congressi who have been teaching us all kinds of lies about the British. These are the same Congresis tho brainwashed us about China in 1962 (Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai B.S.). It is these lies and bullshit spread among the people which finally gave rise to the BJP which is not only anti-British but anti Muslim as well. That is where lies lead you at the end.

    Also this
    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-wealth-of-colonizers-or-lack-thereof/
    The Wealth of Colonizers (or Lack Thereof)

    • Replies: @antibeast
  351. Anon[390] • Disclaimer says:

    England ended slavery in 1825. They declared themselves neutral during the Civil War. A boycott of U.S. cotton could have helped mightily. Does anyone ask what the destination of cotton was? Mills in England. Many sailors on English navy ships were conscripted and insubordination was punished by flogging. I don’t want to be all negative. Much cotton was grown by free farmers and conditions in the mills improved. Would 40 acres and a mule changed living conditions much? The price of cotton was low, taxes and interest rates high. Bad weather could wipe out a seasons work.

  352. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    Also never forget that those globalists are whitey.

    They are a small number of people creating havoc on Earth but ironically they seem to hate common Whitey people the most. More than they hate darkies but they hate us darkies too. They want Whitey genocide.

    Have you ever read the history of late 18 and early 19 century Great Britain? Have you read novels written by Charles Dickens……..

    Our animalistic nature is just barely controlled by civilisation. Many resort to barbarism quite easily. That is why despite all the intelligence and ability in the world right now, we cannot solve simple issues like food. The world already produces enough to feed all humans but vested interest ensure that this food is destroyed rather than distributed. This man’s Achilles heel.

    Yes, exactly civilization keeps our animalistic nature under control and civilization can be so easy to lose sometimes. Easy to lose but much harder to build. Agree 100%.
    Peace.

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  353. Wrong says:
    @Truth

    Sephardim speak ladino, which is derived from old Spanish. It is no more Semitic than Yiddish (which is Germanic).

  354. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    You say, they do not rule the world and then also talk about globalists. Can you please make up your mind.

    I ask you a question about industrial revolution you reply by asking if there were slaves in Britain. This is why I tell you it is difficult to communicate with you. Instead of having a direct conversation, you move to irrelevant tangents. We both know many of those slave merchants were British and were taken to British colonies, so why prolong and bring useless arguments?

    To me right internal conditions are impossible without throwing out external interference and that you cannot do unless you are strong enough. Look at Russia; Putin managed to throw out the oligarchs who destroying the country because he had full support from the intelligence and security apparatus. And this were strong enough to stop the US destruction and intended dismemberment of Russia. If not for that, Russia would now be a 3rd world country and yet the talent, ability etc would still be there. I already briefly talk about China’s success. Same modus operandi in out smarting NWO.

    Who driving the world to cashless society? And if so, how independent are those countries? First you say there is no neo-colonialism and then turn around and acknowledge that their is a NWO. Which is it? Countries are sovereign or partially sovereign or under globalism control? Which is it? You even say whitey is not the one engaged in neo-colonialism. Ok. But does not your answer acknowledge existence of some form of neo-colonialism? Now, we as mankind would accept certain truths, then we could atleast understand our oppressed situation which might yet hive us a fighting chance at true peace and freedom. I personally believe most humans are peaceful regardless of race, just easily brainwashed and propagandised.

    Overall malla, I happy that we can agree that the little people of the world whether darkie, yellow, whitey, we all face the same problems from the same source. Our failure is in refusing to delve deeper into the issues and thus allowing us to be divided and pitted against each other while we face a common enemy. The enemy of the common people; that globalist vampire is indeed the one causing us not to live in peace and harmony among us. Darkies are victims of propaganda and so they hate whitey. The only way to heal this issue in my opinion would be to dialogue and acknowledge each others role in it while also acknowledging that it was a long time ago. I believe peaceful co-existence is possible. I believe most darkies would like it be acknowledged that those things happened rather than being excused or “whitewashed”. Very few are anal about reparations. Most just want opportunities in life as all other races. See how well China is doing? I totally love how they care for their people till in a very short time they pulled millions out of poverty.

    I pray Russia and China and Iran prevail so that they can help the Americas including USA, Africa and Asia to break the evil globalism canals. Hope you will among us in cheering ( for that’s all we can do) as a better more equitable system comes into play.

    Peace

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  355. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    White = European Caucasoid. By that definition, West and Central Asian Caucasoids are not “White”.

    That is the most dumbest definition of White people I have heard. That means North Americans White people are not White??

    For example,

    In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[117] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[117] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[117][118] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[117][119] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[117] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterises the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[117][120] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][121] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterised by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[117] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[117][122] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[123] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[124] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][125]

    Lord Buddha himself came from an Indo Scythian royal family.

    http://thaimangoes.blogspot.in/2009/08/h9.html

    Lord Buddha had blue eyes.
    Look at the physical characteristics of the Mahapurusha (Great Man) Lord Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha

    Characteristic 29: Eyes deep blue

    Scythians are White. Simple.

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  356. Ponder says:
    @Malla

    And just do that you know exactly where I stand. I don’t condemn the whole Jewish nation and people. That would be to betray my morals. I see a cabal called Zionists within the Jewish people who are necessarily not only Jewish that are part of the globalists you correctly allude to. They are the evil ones.

    There are religious Jews who are genuinely good people and have the integrity of a Hassan Nasrallah; a Muslim. So, though we have Muslim terrorists, we also have devout muslims like Nasrallah who condemned the world trade centre bombings by asking what the civilians working in those buildings had to do with the Resistance axis of Hezbollah, Iran, Ansarallah etc.

    I see a Nelson Mandela and a Mohandis Gandhi and a Vladimir Putin etc and I know that humans can be better. That we can curb our barbarity and by God’s grace may it be so.

  357. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The Scythians and Alans were Eastern Iranic-speaking steppe nomads turned warrior tribes who retained their high steppe ancestry albeit admixed with East Asians. Based purely on genetics, they’re not “White” (European). Linguistically, they spoke Eastern Iranic which is a sub-branch of the Indo-Iranian. Historically, the ancient Greeks and Romans who created European Civilization treated both the Scythians and Alans as Asiatic warrior tribes, similar to later Huns, Turkics, Mongols, Timurids, etc. from Asia.

    Remember that the ancient Greeks had little steppe ancestry as did the ancient Romans. Here’s a study on the genetics of ancient Greeks:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

    The ancient Mycenaeans and Minoans were most closely related to each other, and they both got three-quarters of their DNA from early farmers who lived in Greece and southwestern Anatolia, which is now part of Turkey, the team reports today in Nature. Both cultures additionally inherited DNA from people from the eastern Caucasus, near modern-day Iran, suggesting an early migration of people from the east after the early farmers settled there but before Mycenaeans split from Minoans.

    The Mycenaeans did have an important difference: They had some DNA—4% to 16%—from northern ancestors who came from Eastern Europe or Siberia. This suggests that a second wave of people from the Eurasian steppe came to mainland Greece by way of Eastern Europe or Armenia, but didn’t reach Crete, says Iosif Lazaridis, a population geneticist at Harvard University who co-led the study.

    Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other, although the two cultures spoke and wrote different languages. The Mycenaeans were more militaristic, with art replete with spears and images of war, whereas Minoan art showed few signs of warfare, Lazaridis says. Because the Minoans script used hieroglyphics, some archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian, which turns out to be false.

    When the researchers compared the DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans, they found a lot of genetic overlap. Modern Greeks share similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans, although they have inherited a little less DNA from ancient Anatolian farmers and a bit more DNA from later migrations to Greece.

    The concept of “Whiteness” itself is a social construct based on personal prejudices and political ideologies. Here’s Benjamin Franklin’s description of Europeans (Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians, Swedes and Germans) as “tawny” (i.e., non-White):

    http://www.columbia.edu/~lmg21/ash3002y/earlyac99/documents/observations.html

    The Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.

    Another example of “Whiteness” is the one created by the Spanish casta system during the Spanish colonial era in Nuevo Espana where “White” is defined as European-born Spaniards. For native-born criollos to become “White” meant becoming European. That’s why they had this colonial tradition of sending the heirs of wealthy criollos to Spain to intermarry with “Whites” in Europe. After Mexico became independent of Spain, the meaning of “Whiteness” changed to native-born criollos of pure European ancestry. Over time, this de-facto definition of “Whiteness” evolved to include mestizos of partial European ancestry as part of the mestizaje ideology of Mexico.

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  358. Mefobills says:
    @GeeBee

    What sources?

    I consider myself a monetary historian. That meant reading voluminously on money, where it came from, how it works.

    I also made myself into an economist by reading virtually all economics textbooks and theories I could get my hands on. I am not too much into econometric modeling, as it has assumptions that I cannot understand.

    It was enormously difficult since so much of economic doctrine is designed to confuse and obfuscate. Also, money systems in the past used laws that have since changed, and that means the outputs change. Language has changed too.

    I try to make it simple for readers, but there are the inevitable people who are triggered.

    With regards to the Haibaru (Aiparu), David Astle first clued me in.

    http://jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/the_babylonian_woe.pdf

    Astle leads to his footnotes, which lead to other sources. If you download above .pdf, and do a word search for “Donkey,” then you will get some of the sources I used.

    Also, consider in the past that there were city-states, and entrepot cities dispersed in the hinterlands between said city states.

    If you were kicked out or excommunicated for doing crime, you would often end up in the entrepot city, or possibly ended absorbed as part of the wandering donkey tribes.

    It was city state doctrine in those days to kick people out to an entrepot city to let the blood lust cool, especially if there was murder. After some time went by, then cooler heads could be brought in as third parties to mediate the dispute, and then determine shuld (sin debt) owed in restitution. (The Bible is mostly about debts as sin, not sin as we moderns think of it – the Bible needs to be revised as Hudson notes.)

    I digress. City states are where civilization evolved, while degraded DNA found itself excommunicated, and/or likely found itself in close proximity to heavy neanderthalics ranging in hinterlands and entrepot cities.

    In my opinion, there was parallel evolution – within city state walls, and outside the walls. The merchant would travel from city state to city state.

  359. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    How fascinating. I have downloaded Astle and can’t wait to get started. I have also in the meantime read a good deal more of Michael Bradley, and he really does have some astonishing insights. As we have discussed, the more extreme ‘out there’ stuff more or less signs itself as such, and we can just ignore it. But his writings on the origins of the Christ mythology chimes with my own detailed studies of fifteen years and more ago, and he has unique insights besides. He clearly has much to teach us.

    Anyhow, many thanks once again, and it’s be great to get in touch privately, although via a site like this it might be a little tricky. Best regards.

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  360. @Tom Verso

    What about the Latino Community, the American-Indian Community,the Muslim communities, the Asian Community, who, beside the Indians, outnumber the Jewish Communities? We are very far from a hegemony of “White” people today. In the next decade or two we will be a minority to all other communities combined, sounds like a melting-pot to me? Wasn’t that the whole purpose of America as taught by our modern school system? Bring me your tired and all that bullshit?

    Jews will NEVER be “White”! Are Catholics “White”? Are Muslims “Brown”? Are Latino’s “Brown”? Claiming color of people as an identifier will always be fraught with error.

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  361. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Tharoor is a smart guy, very rare for an Indian politician one of the most high quality person in our Parliament. But the is a Congressi who have been teaching us all kinds of lies about the British.

    Tharoor may be smart but he is too “Westernized” to be credible. Here’s another video on the $45 TRILLION that the British looted from India:

    The other link you’ve posted talks about the relative wealth of European countries compared to their colonial history:

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-wealth-of-colonizers-or-lack-thereof/

    One popular rhetorical attack on white countries is that their wealth is a product of exploiting other countries. Now one way to evaluate this is to look at the “colonized” countries and how they fared.

    But the Europeans-as-colonial-exploiters idea has another end of the equation—where the “exploitation” went. If the colonizers are exploiting all this wealth, there should be some wealth on the other end.

    This kind of rhetoric is called a Strawman’s Argument. Tharoor and his ilk are not claiming that Northern Europe — Western countries with little to no history of colonialism — became wealthy by exploiting their non-existent colonies. What Tharoor is saying is that Western countries such as the British Empire with a history of colonialism DID become wealthy compared to their Western colonies such as India and Africa which they exploited through the African Slave Trade, Indian Opium Trade, British Raj and the Industrial Revolution which relied on cotton plantations in the American South and the Indian market. The fact that Northern European countries such as Germany became wealthier than the British, French, Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese is a Strawman because that fact has nothing to do with how those Western countries became wealthy by exploiting their Western colonies.

    Same logical fallacy applies to his other argument citing non-Western countries such as Liberia, Ethiopia or Haiti who have fared badly even though they had little to no history of Western colonialism. Based on this fact which has nothing to do with India, he implies that India would have done poorly WITHOUT British colonialism, ignoring the prior record of pre-British India as the second largest economy in the world after China which is exactly what Tharoor was pointing out.

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  362. Malla says:
    @Ponder

    You say, they do not rule the world and then also talk about globalists. Can you please make up your mind.

    They do not represent White people. They do not consider themselves White. They hate Whites more than non Whites. Then why are they working against White people? Why did they destroy Apartheid South Africa? Why did they destroy Rhodesia? Why they attack Russia? Russia is predominantly White.
    They hate and destroy anybody going against their plan.

    To me right internal conditions are impossible without throwing out external interference and that you cannot do unless you are strong enough.

    I disagree, see there are some serious deep problems in the Third World. Russia is a different case, in Russia, the external neo-colonialism was very very strong.. I agree external conditions are a factor but internal conditions have to be taken care off. The elites are themselves a third world like people ruling over a first world people. The nature of the elites is like that of a thug. But the first world populations they rule over create enormous energy, economic, scientific, military etc… The third world like elites use this energy as weapon for their aims. They use enormous propaganda among their first world controlled populations for this effect.
    Moral coat their intentions.
    Also First world countries also face external neocolonialism of their own.
    Take the Adani project in Australia. Adani family are these rich scumbag slimeball richos close to Modi. They basically partially run India, behind the scenes. In India they looted out poor villagers, destroyed rare mangrooves and laughed their way back to the bank. Now the Adanis have their eyes set on Australian coal mine. They are going to destroy the Great Barrier Reef. Australians are against them but Adani has bought many Australian politicians. He is getting enormous funding from the State run State Bank of India for his looting of Australia and destruction of great Barrier Reef. You know how slimey and dangerous our businessmen are (he is Gujrati), Gujratis drove Jews out of the diamond business in Antwerp!!!
    So this is a case of neo colonisation from India into Australia. But Australians still have (some) first World traits and Australia is still first World (for now).
    Also there was the Gupta case. An Indian family, nothing special go to South Africa, make deals with ex President Jaocb Zuma and his family and take over and loot out the South African economy. Took it over Jewish style.

    Who driving the world to cashless society? And if so, how independent are those countries? First you say there is no neo-colonialism and then turn around and acknowledge that their is a NWO. Which is it? Countries are sovereign or partially sovereign or under globalism control?

    Yes the New World order. They push for cashless. Even your smartphone is dangerous and can spy on you. They even pushed for the biometric Aadhar system, very soon we will have chips in our body. Like that mark of The Beast predicted in the Bible.

    Now, we as mankind would accept certain truths, then we could atleast understand our oppressed situation which might yet hive us a fighting chance at true peace and freedom. I personally believe most humans are peaceful regardless of race, just easily brainwashed and propagandised.
    Overall malla, I happy that we can agree that the little people of the world whether darkie, yellow, whitey, we all face the same problems from the same source. Our failure is in refusing to delve deeper into the issues and thus allowing us to be divided and pitted against each other while we face a common enemy. The enemy of the common people; that globalist vampire is indeed the one causing us not to live in peace and harmony among us. Darkies are victims of propaganda and so they hate whitey. The only way to heal this issue in my opinion would be to dialogue and acknowledge each others role in it while also acknowledging that it was a long time ago. I believe peaceful co-existence is possible. I believe most darkies would like it be acknowledged that those things happened rather than being excused or “whitewashed”.

    Agree with you 100% friend. We are all in the same predicament. we need to work together to destroy these vampires. Blacks vs Whites, Muslims vs Hindus, Indians vs Chinese etc… are all stupid things.We fight while the vampires at the top bloodsuck us.

    I pray Russia and China and Iran prevail so that they can help the Americas including USA, Africa and Asia to break the evil globalism canals. Hope you will among us in cheering ( for that’s all we can do) as a better more equitable system comes into play.

    If China and Russia and Iran are genuine oppositions to NWO, I am totally on Russia+China+Iran team and hope for their victory. Peace.
    On a different note, please, China + Russia come up with an international alternative to Android and iOS. Why should we depend on NWO Google and Apple? There was an alternative growing in Finland, called Sailfish. Maybe the Chinese + Russia + Iran and the Sailfish/Jolla project team can come together to give us an alternative.

  363. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The fact that Northern European countries such as Germany became wealthier than the British, French, Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese is a Strawman

    it is not a strawman, it is fucking common sense.

    Indian Opium Trade

    Some of the biggest beneficiaries of the Opium trade were Indian merchants and Jews. The why is India not rich because of the opium trade.

    British Raj

    British Raj was a loss making entity.

    A student poses a question to Professor Milton Friedman in which he asks for an appraisal of just how exactly the riches that now exist in the so called “capitalist democracies” were obtained and how those countries became so rich so quick. …Friedman answers: The reason people are quick to think so is that they have an ingrained predisposition to see view the world as a zero-sum game where if one man gains the other man looses. In reality a free market allows everyone to gain through mutually beneficial voluntary transactions. When the West colonized Africa they brought with them technology that greatly improved the condition of the people that lived there and actually made them better off. The wheel for example had not even been invented in Africa in the 19th century. As a result of Africa’s contacts with the West their condition improved greatly from what it previously was. To the charge that colonizers bleed wealth from their colonies, Friedman notes that it has always cost the mother country more to maintain its colonies then what was ever received in direct or indirect economic benefit. In the famous case of India, conclusive studies have shown that it cost Britain far more to maintain India then if it had never had it. Furthermore, many Western nations never possessed colonies yet became wealthy despite that fact.

    Also

    From http://www.friesian.com/british.htm
    we see that Britain’s trade (1920s) with the Third World was tiny and not of any consequence as compared to it’s trade with the USA and the rest of Europe from the above link “Another lesson to be read off the trade figures is that a relatively small fraction of British trade involved colonies that would later constitute the “Third World.” Indeed, the only trade surpluses in the table are with India, Africa, the West Indies, and the Far East, which might give some heart to Marxist claims that British colonies, especially India, were the outlet for Capitalist “excess production.” However, the trade surpluses are small, and overall British trade with India and the other colonies is hardly larger than with the much, much smaller populations of Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. No serious argument can be made that the likes of Australia and New Zealand, with their own autonomous governments and protective tariffs, were being “exploited” by Great Britain. Instead the largest British export market is simply with the rest of Europe. Indeed, Europe, the United States, Australia, Canada, etc. are the places where more people would have enough money to buy British goods.

    https://www.britishempire.co.uk/timeline/colonies1924.htm

    1924 revenues of the British Empire from Non White colonies excluding Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Irish Free State, Falkland Islands and Gibralter but including Southern Rhodesia, Malta, Cyprus and South Africa = GBP 218,303,000 out of which India alone accounted for GBP 135,000,000 (62%).
    1924 revenue of the British Empire from United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Island or the home islands, alone = GBP 910,775,000

    Revenues out out Britain itself was far higher than revenues from colonies both White and non White, indeed more than double combined.

    African Slave Trade,

    Brazil had slavery much longer, Arabs had slavery much longer. Yemen has blacks slaves today. why are they not rich?

    Based on this fact which has nothing to do with India, he implies that India would have done poorly WITHOUT British colonialism, ignoring the prior record of pre-British India as the second largest economy in the world after China which is exactly what Tharoor was pointing out.

    Tharoor may be smart but he is too “Westernized” to be credible. Here’s another video on the $45 TRILLION that the British looted from India:

    Westernised to be credible???? Wot??

    $45 TRILLION??? There was no $45 Trillion in India to loot from? Even if they had “looted’ everything that we Indians would have nothing to wear or eat, you could not get that figure of 45 trillion. there was no $ 45 Trillion in India to loot from.
    Britain did not depend on India much for its economy. It trade more with USA and European nations than its colonies both settler and non settler.

    ignoring the prior record of pre-British India as the second largest economy in the world after China which is exactly what Tharoor was pointing out.

    Are you an idiot like tharoor, antibeast? Second largest economy is a guestimate. They are based on Angyus Maddison’s figures. Is the economy of the world 200 years the same as today? Or it has expanded enormously? If I am making Rs 10000 a month as a Sr. Clerk and my brother makes Rs 5000 a month as Jr. Clerk, my share is 66% of our total. my brother does a course in Software (Industrial Revolution) and now has a new job with salary of Rs 40,000 per month. Now suddenly my share is 205. my share has reduced from 66% to 205 in one go. That is what happened.
    the economies of many countries expanded much faster.
    And when India was supposedly the second largest economy in the world, some centuries back the USA did not exist. After WW2, the USA alone was nearly 50% of Global Economy. Imagine you are going in a coach and a new fat passenger comes in, will you not get squeezed out. This India was 2nd largest economy and now it is not is childish buffoonery and it is sad so called intelligent people fall for this stupidity so easily.
    And Tharoor quotes Angus Maddision, whose work on overall GDP size is just guesstimate. You can get more accurate measure of GDP/Capita not overall GDp.
    For example he gives a figure in 1500 that India’s GDP was say 30% of the World. To get 30% you need a 100%, a total. Pray tell how can one calculate the Global GDP in the year 1500? What was the GDP of Africa in 1500? How do you calculate? And without African GDP, you cannot get total World GDP!! And how can you calculate the GDP of India in the year say 900 AD? There were no written records, no economic records, nothing. It is all guesstimate.
    But what you can accurately calculate is GDP per capita. And GDP/capita is what the slimeball tharoor is avoiding talking about. What he will not tell you is that Angus Maddison’s figure tells us that Britain already had double the GDP/Capita of India when the East India Company was formed in the year 1600.

    ..to be continued….

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  364. Malla says:
    @Malla

    http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/Nb7KkZ3yOVSNW3vHf9K1oM/World-history-by-per-capita-GDP.html
    Well, the growth of India’s GDP between 1500 and 1600 was 22.7%, between 1600 and 1700 it was 22.2% and between 1700 and 1820 it logged 21%. So it’s not as if there was any huge decline in the rate of growth. Of course, that doesn’t preclude the possibility that Indian growth, too, may have taken off if the country was not under the thumb of the British. But China continued to be an independent country, albeit one much plagued by the Western powers, and its rate of growth too during the period was nothing to be proud of. What the data seem to be saying is that the coming of the British did not, at least in the first 100 years of colonial rule, make much of a difference to the growth rate of the Indian economy. Was India a wealthy country before the British came? The numbers that have garnered the most attention have been his GDP estimates, because they fit in with the narrative of a strong India and China getting back their clout in the world economy. But what is that to the average Indian or Chinese citizen? What if the only reason these countries had such a high GDP in earlier times was because they had a larger population? That is what is brought out by Maddison’s estimates of GDP per capita, again in PPP terms in 1990 dollars. In 1 AD, India’s GDP per capita was $450, as was China’s. But Italy under the Roman Empire had a per capita income of $809. In 1000 AD, India’s per capita income was $450 and China’s $466. But the average of the West Asian countries, such as Turkey and Iraq, was much higher at $621. In terms of general prosperity, therefore, it was the Arab world that was doing well a millennium ago. The Caliphate in Baghdad was a centre of power at the time and both science and culture flourished. By 1500, though, new centres of prosperity had emerged. India’s per capita income was $550 and China’s $600 in 1500. The Arab world had declined. But standards of living in Western Europe at that time had already gone far ahead. Italy topped the table, with a per capita income of $1,100, the Netherlands following with a per capita income of $761. This was the Italy of the Renaissance, the Italy of Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci, of Raphael and Titian. The UK was not far behind, with a per capita income of $714. By 1600, the centre of Europe had shifted northwards and the golden age of Holland had begun. Dutch per capita income was $1,381 in 1600, while Britain in Shakespeare’s time had a per capita income of $974. Recall that 1600 was the year the East India Company was founded. In contrast, India’s per capita income continued to be $550, while China’s was $600. Note that even Ireland, one of the poorest of Western Europe’s countries, had a per capita income of $615, higher than India’s and China’s. In short, the per capita GDP numbers mirror the changes in power, prosperity and cultural and scientific achievement. It wasn’t till 1981 that India had a per capita income of $977, beating that of Britain in 1600. And it wasn’t until 1993 that India’s per capita income of $1,399 surpassed what the Dutch had achieved in 1600.

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  365. @Mefobills

    Your Herculean effort of individual self initiative obviously sacrificing vast blocks of your time akin to unpaid full-time employment driven by the adventuresome intellectual curiosity God bequeathed/burdened upon Western man has selflessly provided a body of knowledge unprecedented which enlightens the path for the followers of God Incarnate Jesus and those descended therefrom to free themselves from bondage to the John 8:44 “children of the devil” that we might fulfill our potential to serve God better for the benefit of all.

    I consider myself a monetary historian. That meant reading voluminously on money, where it came from, how it works.

    I also made myself into an economist by reading virtually all economics textbooks and theories I could get my hands on. I am not too much into econometric modeling, as it has assumptions that I cannot understand.

    It was enormously difficult since so much of economic doctrine is designed to confuse and obfuscate. Also, money systems in the past used laws that have since changed, and that means the outputs change. Language has changed too.

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  366. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The concept of “Whiteness” itself is a social construct based on personal prejudices and political ideologies.

    LOL This is some of the dumbest bullshit I have ever heard. Everybody knows what White people are. just because some people had some opinion about who is whiter and who is not does not mean White people do not exist.
    If you ask me Chineseness is a social construct based on personal prejudice and political ideology. I say, let 30 million Indians and 30 million Africans migrate to China and become Chinese. Then we will see personal prejudice and political ideology.

    The Scythians and Alans were Eastern Iranic-speaking steppe nomads turned warrior tribes who retained their high steppe ancestry albeit admixed with East Asians. Based purely on genetics, they’re not “White” (European). Linguistically, they spoke Eastern Iranic which is a sub-branch of the Indo-Iranian. Historically, the ancient Greeks and Romans who created European Civilization treated both the Scythians and Alans as Asiatic warrior tribes,

    Europe is just a line on a map. There was no force, preventing White people from moving in between the two sides of the Ural mountains.

    Historically, the ancient Greeks and Romans who created European Civilization treated both the Scythians and Alans as Asiatic warrior tribes, /blockquote>

    What bullshit? The Greek historian Herodotus refers to the European Scythians as Scythians and the eastern ones as Sacae.

    Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other,

    What????

    In the work of Homer, Menelaus the king of the Spartans is, together with other Achaean leaders, portrayed as light haired. Although dark hair colours were predominant in the works of Homer, there is only one case of a dark hero, and that is when the blond Odysseus is transformed by Athena and his beard becomes blue-black. Other blond characters in Homer are Peleus, Achilles, Meleager, Agamede, and Rhadamanthys.

    Menelaus was regularly described as having red hair.
    “There, red-haired Menelaus stood grasping his handy round-shield and his spear, ready to kill any man who tried to seize the corpse.”
    “But if red-haired Menelaus kills Paris, the Trojans must yield Helen and her riches”
    Demeter is described as “the blonde Demeter” in The Iliad (Canto V: 500) and in Hymn to Demeter (I: 302), based on the mysteries of Eleusis. Athena, the daughter of Zeus, goddess of wisdom, insight, cunning and strategic warfare in The Iliad, is described no more no less than a total of 57 times as “blue eyed” (in some variations, “green eyed”), and in The Odyssey a comparable number of times. Pindar referred to her as xanthus and glaukopis, meaning “blonde, blue-eyed.” Hesiod is content to call her “of green eyes” in his Theogony (15, 573, 587, 890 and 924), as well as Alcaeus and Simonides; while the Roman Ovid, in his Metamorphoses, which tells the perdition of Arachne, calls the goddess “manly and blond maiden.” Zephyrus, the progenitor of Eros along with Iris, is described by Alcaeus (VII-VI centuries BCE) as “golden hair Zephyr” (Hymn to Eros, fragment V, 327). Apollo is described by Alcaeus as “fair-haired Phoebus.” Phoebus is Apollo. On the other hand, Alcman of Sparta, Simonides (paean to Delos, 84), and an anonymous author, call Apollo “of golden hair,” while another epithet of his by Góngora, a Spanish author of the Renaissance, but based on classic literary evidence is “blond archpoet.” The famous Sappho of Lesbos speaks of “golden-haired Phoebus” in his hymn to Artemis. The god Rhadamanthus, son of Zeus and Europa, is described as blond in The Odyssey, and Strabo calls him “the blond Rhadamanthus” in his Geographica (Book III, 11-13). Artemis, the sister of Apollo, is described by Sappho and Anacreon (Hymn to Artemis), as “blond daughter of Zeus.”

    Pyrrha the mother of Hellen (the eponymous founder of the Hellenes) had red-golden hair
    (flavam religas comam) as described by Horace (Carm. i. 5) while her son Xuthus also derived his name from his fair hair (xanthe or xanthos). The ancient Greek lyric poet Pindar wrote that the hair of the Achaeans (Danaoi) was blonde (Nem. ix. 18). According to the renowned scholar Henry Liddell in his A Greek-English Lexicon (Oxford, Clarendon Press, 1940) xanthos is defined as a yellow, of various shades, freq. with a tinge of red, brown, auburn. The extent of ”the shade of” depends on the ancient Greek region or locality, since different shades of fair or yellow were known. An ancient fragment from Theophastrus for example reveals that the Spartans knew xanthon to be a whitish-yellow (e.g. fair or platinum blonde). Homer however applied xanthos to a range of non-dark hair colours: auburn to blonde, chestnut (reddish-brown) and fulvious (dull yellow) shades. Cambridge Ancient History (1928, vol. 2, pp. 22-23) thus defines the term xanthos as any fair shade short of a dark colour (e.g. blonde to auburn).

    Bacchylides wrote that the hair of the Spartans was blonde (Dith. xx. 2) while also noting of the golden hair of athletes at the Nemean Games (Ep. ix. 23). The Spartans were the Dorians (Heracleidae) who claimed descent from Heracles.
    According to Euripides, Heracles was yellow haired (Her. 234, 360 ff) while Pausanias (ix. 34. 5) describes his eyes as ”bright” e.g. light blue (charops). Baccylides also describes the hair of the Athenian foot race champion Aglaos as blonde. The poet Euripides himself is described of the fair type with freckles (Vita Eurip. 25f).

    The 7th century BC Spartan poet Alcman describes his cousin Hegesichora as golden (khrusos) haired (fragment 13. 54-55 Bergk) while the Spartan poetess Megalostrata as a ”blonde-haired maiden” (fragment 37. Bergk). Menelaus, the legendary ruler of pre-Dorian Sparta is called xanthos throughout Homer’s texts (Il. ii. 284; iii. 434; Od. i. 280; iii. 168) and this was a tradition that continued into late antiquity as Tatian in the 2nd century AD described Menelaus’ hair as flaxen yellow (Address to the Greeks, 10). Eustathius (c. 1115) in his commentary on the Odyssey wrote that: ”Rhadamanthys is golden haired, out of compliment to Menelaos, for Menelaos had golden hair” (Eustath. ad Hom. iv. 564).

    Sappho’s (who was of aristocratic origin) daughter Cleis is described as ”a girl whose hair is yellower than torchlight” (Sappho. fragment 98a). Furthermore Sappho’s eldest brother Charaxus is found described in Ovid as golden (flava) haired (Met. xii. 210). It seems then that although Sappho herself was brunette, most members of her family were in fact blonde which confirms the dominant blonde strain of the Greek aristoi. Critias, a noble Athenian oligarch and the uncle of Plato is also described as having blonde hair (Arist. Rh. i. 15. 1375b33; Proclus. On the Timaeus. i. 81. 27 Diehl). Aleuas the eponymous founder of the royal Thessalian Aleuadae family was as well fair haired (Schol. Apollon. Argon. iii. 1190). Ptolemy II Philadelphus was another blonde (Theoc. Id. xvii).

    The Greek tyrant ruler Dionysius I of Syracuse (d. 367 BC) had yellow hair and freckles (Val. Max. i. 7. 6). Aspasia (fl. 415 BC) a priestess from Phocaea and the favourite concubine of the Persian prince Cyrus the Younger was blonde haired, the ancient writer Aelian describes her as thus: ”Of hair yellow, locks a little curling… skin delicate, complexion like roses” (Varia Historia, xii. 1).

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  367. @Franz

    I actually have a copy of (Michael) Bradley’s The Iceman Inheritance (original Canadian paperback) along with his later stuff, including The Cronus Complex and The Rise of Esau’s Empire.

    His notes in what he called “the Cronus Complex” has Jewish time-awareness as a major trait.

    Greatly appreciated. Sensed this long ago after first extensive interface. They know that calendar’s always gonna turn without any effort required of them.

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  368. @Mefobills

    Chaos is a funded operation out of usury flows.

    Exactly why Jake on here

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Jake

    constantly emphasizes the binomial reality that:

    It is either Christ and Christendom or Chaos.

  369. @Mefobills

    The Greek Trivium Classical Education would winnow in a group setting. After the students define the terms, then they would debate, coming to some sort of high agreement.

    The ancient Greeks, before debate stage, would have to acquire knowledge of their subject, so that is a form of self learning. After the knowledge acquisition period, then the Greek kids would define terms, and then go on to debate. Today we talk past each other as our terms are not defined.

    Isn’t it true that in any discipline no matter how complex or elite self-discipline in the fundamentals, which is also the ability to break concepts or actions down into the simplest, most basic parts, is the sole path to unsurpassable attainment.

    Kinda like recognizing Jesus as God Incarnate.

  370. Franz says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    They know that calendar’s always gonna turn without any effort required of them.

    Sure, as the ones holding the note.

    The calendar turns and compound interest accrues without, right, any effort on their part.

  371. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    If you ask me Chineseness is a social construct based on personal prejudice and political ideology. I say, let 30 million Indians and 30 million Africans migrate to China and become Chinese. Then we will see personal prejudice and political ideology.

    “Chineseness” is indeed a social construct based on cultural norms and political ideologies. Chinese history itself is proof of how the “Chinese” identity was socially constructed around Han Confucianism and Qin Legalism. And China did absorb non-Chinese who later assimilated to become “Chinese”. That’s why the Chinese don’t view themselves as a “race” nor “ethnicity” but as a Nation-State and a Civilization. It’s possible for Africans, Europeans, Asians, Latinos, etc. to become “Chinese” if they acquire Chinese citizenship, intermarry with the Chinese and assimilate into Chinese society. That’s what the Tibetans, Mongols, Manchus, Uyghurs, Huis, etc. did in Imperial China to which they contributed their languages, cultures and religions which became part of Chinese civilization. That’s still true today in places like HK where lots of Eurasians work as actors and models. But they identify as “Chinese” which is what they are.

    Europe is just a line on a map. There was no force, preventing White people from moving in between the two sides of the Ural mountains.

    Agree. Europe would not exist without Asia, both of which are part of the same Eurasian continent.

    The Greek historian Herodotus refers to the European Scythians as Scythians and the eastern ones as Sacae.

    The ancient Greeks referred to all the nomadic peoples in the Eurasian Steppe as “Scythians” while the ancient Persians referred to them as “Sakas”. In reality, those Iranian-speaking nomads were comprised of different tribes (from West to East): Sarmatians, Scythians and Sakas. The Sarmatians were originally from South Urals who moved to the Eurasian Steppe displacing the Scythians but they eventually moved back to Eastern Europe where they intermixed with proto-Slavs. The Western tribes such as the Sarmatians had full European ancestry but the Eastern tribes such as the Alans who eventually settled in Ossetia had partial East Asian ancestry.

    Those nomadic peoples were not Iranians even though they spoke an East Iranic language. By that time, Cyrus the Great had already founded the Achaemenid Empire, followed by the Macedonian Empire of Alexander the Great whose death split it into various polities until General Seleucus I Nicator founded the Seleucus Empire. Emperor Chandragupta of the Maurya Empire fought the Seleucid–Mauryan War ending with the Treaty of the Indus which forced Seleucid to cede his Eastern satrapies as well as give away his daughters for marriage to Chandragupta and his Generals. The Iranian Parthians would later conquer the Seleucus Empire to establish the Parthian Empire, followed by the Sasasian Empire which ruled the largest Persian Empire before the Arab Conquests.

    Both the Macedonian and Seleucus Empires were culturally “Hellenistic” with a Greek political elite ruling over Asian peoples in Iran, Central Asia and South Asia and may thus be considered “European” but the Parthian and Sasasian Empires that followed were “Asian” as they were led by native Iranians who restored the Achaemenid Empire of Cyrus the Great.

    In the work of Homer, Menelaus the king of the Spartans is, together with other Achaean leaders, portrayed as light haired. Although dark hair colours were predominant in the works of Homer, there is only one case of a dark hero, and that is when the blond Odysseus is transformed by Athena and his beard becomes blue-black. Other blond characters in Homer are Peleus, Achilles, Meleager, Agamede, and Rhadamanthys.

    Citing descriptions from literary works of ancient Greeks don’t do justice to their actual DNA which can only be verified by genetic studies on ancient Greeks. Here’s why:

    https://www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2019/5/30/racial-type-of-the-ancient-hellenes-a-racial-analysis-of-the-ancient-greeks

    Lastly, here’s an ancient mosaic of Alexander the Great from the House of Faun in Pompeii clearly showing that he had dark hair and dark eyes:

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  372. Tom Verso says:
    @MIssouri Bear

    “What about the Latino Community, the American-Indian Community,the Muslim communities, the Asian Community…”

    The US has been a ‘cultural melting pot’ of European ethnics (AKA Whites such as Germans, Irish, Italians, etc.).

    And it has been, is and will be a ‘physical melting pot’ of Europeans, Native Americans, and Middle Easters, etc. However, physical melding is not the same as cultural melding.

    Last night there were two poach parties on my street. From my porch I could observer each in detail. One was all Afro-American and the other all Euro-American. The Afro-Americans and Euro-Americans are physically melding on the street but not culturally.

    The cultural differences were very obvious; different music, dress and hair styles, food and drink, and personal interaction.

    Similarly, I have seen in schools Afro and Euro students group respectively together at different lunch tables AND Afro and Euro teachers sit together at different tables. This is also a manifestation of different cultural and historical identities.

    If cultural differences were limited to personal life styles (different parties and lunch tables) there would be no conflict between different cultural groups.

    However, culture is not limited to sociality. Culture translates into political and economic policies. And that is where cultural difference leads to cultural conflicts.

    When I was boy my city was a hodge podge of different Euro-Americans neighborhoods (Little Italy, German town, etc).

    Under the guise of ‘Urban Renewal and Integration” in the 1960s Afro-Americans moved into the Euro-American neighborhoods and Euros moved from the city to the suburbs. The two cultures were not compatible.

    In sum to my mind: Europeans are physically different (e.g. skin color) from people from other geographic regions. The ‘physical differences’ correlate with ‘cultural difference’, and ‘cultural difference’ correlate with ‘governance’.

    American today is experiencing a massive and destructive intra-national clash of cultures. This may be on a scale unique in history. Inter-national cultural clashes are normal in world history. But, I think destructive intra-national clashes are fairly unique.

    As a citizen this clash is painful. But from an historical/social scientific point of view these are fascinating times to live through. Centuries from now historians will be studying Western Civilization in these times.

    Best

  373. @Franz

    Sure, as the ones holding the note.

    The calendar turns and compound interest accrues without, right, any effort on their part.

    Exactly.

  374. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    In terms of general prosperity, therefore, it was the Arab world that was doing well a millennium ago. The Caliphate in Baghdad was a centre of power at the time and both science and culture flourished. By 1500, though, new centres of prosperity had emerged. India’s per capita income was $550 and China’s $600 in 1500. The Arab world had declined. But standards of living in Western Europe at that time had already gone far ahead. Italy topped the table, with a per capita income of $1,100, the Netherlands following with a per capita income of $761. This was the Italy of the Renaissance, the Italy of Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci, of Raphael and Titian. The UK was not far behind, with a per capita income of $714. By 1600, the centre of Europe had shifted northwards and the golden age of Holland had begun. Dutch per capita income was $1,381 in 1600, while Britain in Shakespeare’s time had a per capita income of $974.

    In short, the per capita GDP numbers mirror the changes in power, prosperity and cultural and scientific achievement.

    China recorded its highest cultural and scientific achievements during the Song Dynasty when its GDP/per capita was one of the highest in the world.

    In the case of Western Europe, Italy achieved its highest cultural and scientific achievements during the Italian Renaissance which did spread to Northern Europe. But in Southern Europe, Catholic Spain and Portugal remained mired in Medieval Feudalism which was exported to their Iberian-ruled colonies in the Americas where they acquired their wealth by Western colonialism, Indian genocide and African slavery. Reformation Germany and Renaissance Italy, both of which had little history of Western colonialism ended up outperforming Spain and Portugal. But England and the Netherlands are a mixed bag because they did succeed in trading internationally and in industrializing their economies while profiting from Western colonialism. Just because England had a higher GDP per capita than India before the formation of the EIC does NOT imply that the British never profited from Western colonialism.

    Lastly, the Arabs profited from the Black African Slave Trade as did the Western Colonialists. Whatever cultural and scientific achievements of the Muslim Arabs and the Western Colonialists do not imply otherwise, which is what you’re suggesting. The salient point here is that India did suffer from British colonialism as exemplified by the demise of the world’s then largest cotton textile industry in Bengal which resulted in a drastic decline in its GDP/per capita. THAT is a well-documented FACT. Everything else is a Strawman.

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  375. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    “Chineseness” is indeed a social construct

    Insallah, I pray that millions of us Indians, Arabs and Blacks migrate to China and become Chinese. That is whay I say, advanced socialist humanist China should save African Americans from evul white supremacists and bring them to China to save them.

    “The ancient Greeks referred to all the nomadic peoples in the Eurasian Steppe as “Scythians” while the ancient Persians referred to them as “Sakas”. In reality, those Iranian-speaking nomads were comprised of different tribes (from West to East): Sarmatians, Scythians and Sakas. …………….
    The Western tribes such as the Sarmatians had full European ancestry but the Eastern tribes such as the Alans who eventually settled in Ossetia had partial East Asian ancestry.”
    What was all this history lesson about?

    The Western tribes such as the Sarmatians had full European ancestry but the Eastern tribes such as the Alans who eventually settled in Ossetia had partial East Asian ancestry.

    Little East Asian ancestry.

    https://www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2019/5/30/racial-type-of-the-ancient-hellenes-a-racial-analysis-of-the-ancient-greeks

    I do not know how this contradicts me.

    Lastly, here’s an ancient mosaic of Alexander the Great from the House of Faun in Pompeii clearly showing that he had dark hair and dark eyes:

    The Mosaic is from 100 BC but it is believed to have been copied from a Greek original from the 3rd-century BC. I do not know if it was accurate in its copy.
    However they have found a bust of Alexander from 200 BC.

    Which looks nothing like Alexander of that Mosaic in facial features.

    Also there is a Marble statue of him in Istanbul, Turkey right now from the Second-century BC.
    which does not look like Alexander of the mosaic as far as facial features are concerned.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/alexander-the-greats-hair-color-116833
    What Color Was Alexander the Great’s Hair?
    Aelian on Alexander the Great’s Hair Color
    Aelian was a Roman rhetoric teacher of the second to third century A.D. who wrote in Greek. His most important writings were De Natura Animalium (Περὶ Ζῴων Ἰδιότητος) and Varia Historia (Ποικίλη Ἱστορία). It is in the latter (Book XII, Chapter XIV) that he refers to Alexander the Great’s hair color and says it was yellow, according to this translation:

    “They say that the most amiable and beautiful amongst the Greeks was Alcibiades; amongst the Romans, Scipio. It is reported also that Demetrius Poliorcetes contended in Beauty. They affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance.”

    Pseudo-Callisthenes on Alexander the Great’s Appearance
    The story of Alexander is full of heroic elements making it fit for embellishment. The Alexander Romance is a term referring to collections of stories about the romantic hero. A court historian, Callisthenes (c. 360-328 B.C.) wrote about Alexander, but some of the legendary material originally attributed to him is considered spurious, so it is now labeled Pseudo-Callisthenes.

    Pseudo-Callisthenes labels Alexander’s hair “lion-colored,” or as we might say, “tawny.”

    “For he had the hair of a lion and one eye was blue; the right one was heavy lidded and black, and the left one was blue; and his teeth were sharp as fangs, and he looked upon a defensive attack the same as a lion would.”

    Plutarch on Alexander the Great’s Appearance
    In Plutarch’s Life of Alexander (Section 4) he writes that Alexander was fair “passing into ruddiness” but doesn’t say specifically that he had red hair.

    “Apelles…in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face.”

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  376. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

    When you go to check the raw papers of this study you’ll find -specifically speaking that of the Mycenaean royal tombs- most individuals have a fairly significant component of indo-european DNA that came from the ukrainian steppes.
    Also
    “The Mycenaeans did have an important difference: They had some DNA—4% to 16%—from northern ancestors who came from Eastern Europe or Siberia. This suggests that a second wave of people from the Eurasian steppe came to mainland Greece by way of Eastern Europe or Armenia, but didn’t reach Crete, says Iosif Lazaridis, a population geneticist at Harvard University who co-led the study.”
    Since Steppe Indo Europeans had such a deep impact on Greek language and mythology, it is very likely they were aristocrats. That is why they were over represented in the Royal tombs. Thus Greece was more like India (Steppe people becoming aristocrats, steppe ancestry over represented in Brahmans) than Northern Europe.

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  377. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    ME: “The ancient Greeks referred to all the nomadic peoples in the Eurasian Steppe as “Scythians” while the ancient Persians referred to them as “Sakas”. In reality, those Iranian-speaking nomads were comprised of different tribes (from West to East): Sarmatians, Scythians and Sakas…The Western tribes such as the Sarmatians had full European ancestry but the Eastern tribes such as the Alans who eventually settled in Ossetia had partial East Asian ancestry.”

    YOU: What was all this history lesson about?

    Nobody called those nomadic peoples in the Eurasian Steppe — Sarmatians, Scythians and Sakas — “Aryan” even though they had full or high Indo-European steppe ancestry. Not the ancient Greeks, ancient Persians nor those nomadic tribes themselves even though they spoke an Eastern Iranic language while the ancient Persians who spoke a Western Iranic language called themselves “Aryan”. The Persians had the lowest Indo-European ancestry because the “Aryans” themselves were already intermixed with the native Iranians in Central Asia before they migrated to Iran and intermixed with the native Persians there.

    If those nomadic peoples were “Aryan”, then their Indo-European-speaking ancestors would have composed the Avesta which was the sacred text where the homeland of Zoroaster and Zoroastrianism is mentioned as Airyanem Vaejah in the first chapter Vidēvdād as the first of sixteen districts created by Ahura Mazdā in Central Asia by the Oxus River as the region of the Aryans. This location is near the BMAC where the ethnogenesis of the Indo-Iranian-speaking peoples took place from whence the “Aryans” migrated to Iran. Those who remained eventually spoke Eastern Iranic throughout Central Asia which was conquered by the Persians such as Cyrus the Great who spoke Western Iranic. But those nomadic people didn’t have anything remotely similar to the Avesta which never mentioned their homeland in Eastern Europe and Western Siberia.

    So who are the “Aryans” and what do they look like?

    Here’s an artist’s drawing of Cyrus the Great:

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  378. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    And how is an artists rendering of a person supposed to be accurate. Did the artist have a time machine?
    We Indians called ourselves Aryans (Arya-vartha) too and considered the Persians/”Palhavas’ as lowly Mlecchas or barbarians just as my ancestors considered the ancient Chinese (China/Maha-china) as lowly Mlechas/ barbarians. So what is it then?
    Could it be like Mexicans calling themselves Spanish and the Venezuelans too calling themselves Spanish if contact with Spain has all but lost in time and place. And the Mexican Spanish considering the Venezuelan Spanish as Barbarians.

    I am talking about Scythians and you are talking about the Aryans who predate the Scythians 1000s of years ago. The Scythians as is obvious even from Chinese sources. The Alani looked hardcore Nord as described in old texts but today the Ossetians who are closely related to Alani are not that Nord looking. So did they mix with some other population?

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  379. @Tom Verso

    Read Shlomo Sand, The Invention of the Jewish People. I don’t understand why you are supporting the deception, the racism.

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  380. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    And how is an artists rendering of a person supposed to be accurate. Did the artist have a time machine?

    The artist is rendering the portrait based on ancient sculptures of Cyrus the Great:

    We Indians called ourselves Aryans (Arya-vartha) too and considered the Persians/”Palhavas’ as lowly Mlecchas or barbarians just as my ancestors considered the ancient Chinese (China/Maha-china) as lowly Mlechas/ barbarians. So what is it then?

    The term aryavartha (आर्यावर्त) means “abode of the aryas” while arya (ārya) means “noble” in Sanskrit. In the Vedic era of Hindu India, that term “aryavartha” was used to designate the region in North India by the Indus River which was inhabited by aryas or the “noble ones”. In Buddhism, the term “ārya” is used as an adjective as in “The Four Noble Truths” (catvāry ārya satyāni), “The Noble Eightfold Path” (ārya mārga) and “Buddha’s Dharma and Vinaya” (ariyassa dhammavinayo). The term “arya sangha” means community of noble ones who have attained enlightenment.

    You’re thus incorrect in equating the term “arya” which was used as an adjective meaning “noble” in Hinduism and Buddhism with the term “Aryan” which was used as a noun referring to Iranians in Central Asia. However, the term “aryavartha” does imply the establishment of Vedic India as the “abode of the aryas”, meaning those who practiced Hinduism according to the Vedas became aryas or the noble ones.

    Could it be like Mexicans calling themselves Spanish and the Venezuelans too calling themselves Spanish if contact with Spain has all but lost in time and place. And the Mexican Spanish considering the Venezuelan Spanish as Barbarians.

    Since the Avesta of Zoroastrianism is related to the Vedas of Hinduism, there must have been social contact and cultural influences between the Oxus Civilization in the BMAC region of Central Asia and the Indus Valley Civilization in the Harappan region of North India as attested to by archaeological evidence which suggests a two-way flow of goods between these two Asian Civilizations. This implies that the linguistic spread of Indo-Iranian language in Central Asia after the migration, settlement and hybridization of proto-Indo-Iranian speakers from the Eurasian Steppe into Central Asia was followed by the Indo-Aryan language splitting from the Indo-Iranian language in the BMAC region between 2,000 BCE to 1,000 BCE. That would explain the similarities as well as differences between the Avesta which was written in Avestan and the Vedas which was written in Sanskrit.

    Your analogy of Spanish vs Latinos is not relevant because there is no historical evidence of political history attesting to Indo-European military conquests followed by the formation of Indo-European Kingdoms and Empires with the exception of the Hittite, Indo-Scythian and Kushan Empires. The Spanish established their Empire by military conquests and cultural colonization of the Americas. That didn’t happen in Central Asia during the Bronze Age as the Western Iranians were far more advanced than the steppe nomads who didn’t establish any Empires nor create any Civilizations on the Eurasian Steppe. The more likely explanation is the massive migration into Central Asia of steppe nomads who produced a hybrid culture while adapting their ancestral languages into their new cultural environment. A proper analogy would be the massive influx of Mexican illegals into the US Southwest which has changed its demographic nature and ethno-linguistic character with American citizens speaking Spanglish hundreds of years later.

    I am talking about Scythians and you are talking about the Aryans who predate the Scythians 1000s of years ago. The Scythians as is obvious even from Chinese sources. The Alani looked hardcore Nord as described in old texts but today the Ossetians who are closely related to Alani are not that Nord looking. So did they mix with some other population?

    The Indo-European-speaking steppe nomads who did establish their own Kingdoms and Empires after settling in West Asia (Hittites), Central Asia and South Asia (Indo-Scythians, Kushans) didn’t call themselves “Aryans” and were not called “Aryans” by anyone including the Han Chinese who called the Kushans “Yueshis” and the Sakas (Eastern Scythians) “Sais”. The other nomadic tribes such as the Sarmatians, Alans, etc. who remained steppe nomads moved into and settled into Europe after the Fall of Rome following the Hunnic invasions.

    The Iranians are the Aryans with high native Iranian ancestry while those steppe nomads had high Indo-European steppe ancestry.

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  381. Tom Verso says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I don’t understand why you are supporting the deception, the racism.

    Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean? What did I write that ‘supports deception’ and ‘racism’?

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  382. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Since Steppe Indo Europeans had such a deep impact on Greek language and mythology, it is very likely they were aristocrats. That is why they were over represented in the Royal tombs. Thus Greece was more like India (Steppe people becoming aristocrats, steppe ancestry over represented in Brahmans) than Northern Europe.

    The ancient Greeks had to deal with all kinds of peoples in the Mediterranean: Etruscans, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians, etc. Their Indo-European steppe ancestry is too low to be of any significance as the Mycenaeans were largely descended from the earlier Minoans who were heavily influenced by and dependent upon the wealthy and powerful Semitic Empires in the Near East and Egypt. The Mycenaeans who encountered the Indo-European steppe migrants adopted the latter’s language and mythology as a way of distinguishing themselves from their richer and more powerful rivals in the region. Same reasoning applies to the Western Iranians of the Achaemenid Empire who had adopted the Aryan identity of the Eastern Iranians whom they conquered because they wanted to distinguish themselves from their West Asian rivals. By the time of the Sasanian, the Persians established Zoroastrianism as the official State religion in order to erase the Hellenistic cultural influences left over from the Macedonian Conquest of Alexander the Great as well as stem the religious influences of Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism.

    Genetics have very little impact because cultural diffusion, language spread and religious influence can occur via social contact, cultural exchanges, human migration, political dominance or military conquests. Christianity spread throughout Europe not because the early Christians conquered and ruled over Europe but because the Roman Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity. Vladimir the Great converted to Orthodox Christianity after visiting Constantinople. The Persians and the Arabs were conquered by the Turks, Mongols and Timurids but their conquerors adopted the Persian language and culture as well as the Arabic language and Islamic religion. Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism spread throughout East and Southeast Asia because Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists traveled on religious pilgrimages throughout Asia. Highly-educated Chinese learned Russian during the Soviet Era because they allied with Russians during the Cold War. In all of the above cases, no gene flows nor human migrations occurred.

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  383. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The artist is rendering the portrait based on ancient sculptures of Cyrus the Great:

    Why make renderings when we have reliefs.

    However, the term “aryavartha” does imply the establishment of Vedic India as the “abode of the aryas”, meaning those who practiced Hinduism according to the Vedas became aryas or the noble ones.

    Yes exactly and they did not mention Iranians at all. Why not? Ancient Hindus called themselves Arya and their homeland Arya-varta, which, according to Manusmriti, stretched from the Himalayas in the north to the sea in the south. But Manusmriti does not refer to another Aryan community that lived at the same time in Iran.
    The Avesta however refers to Central Asia as ‘Airyana Vaeja’, or expanse of the Aryas. This was the original homeland, where kings like Yima (Yama of Veda) ruled before he became arrogant and saw himself, not Ahura Mazda, as the source of civilisation.
    The truth is many people who had a common origin in Central Asia ended up calling themselves Aryan. Just because the Iranians called themselves Aryan does not mean they were the only one. Even if Arya was used as an adjective there is no doubt that aryavartha meant abode of the Aryans and did not include Iran.

    Your analogy of Spanish vs Latinos is not relevant…blah blah blah….The Spanish established their Empire by military conquests and cultural colonization

    You misunderstood. This has nothing to do with military conquests. What I meant was since the concept of Aryan is common in Persians and Indians, it could have been picked up from/as a common people and even after mixing with other peoples in the north, they both kept calling themselves Aryans in different ways.

    The Indo-European-speaking steppe nomads who did establish their own Kingdoms and Empires after settling in West Asia (Hittites), Central Asia and South Asia (Indo-Scythians, Kushans) didn’t call themselves “Aryans” and were not called “Aryans” by anyone including the Han Chinese

    The Iranians were non Aryans according to ancient Indians.
    Mleccha referred to people of foreign extraction in ancient India. The Sanskrit term Mleccha, referring to the indistinct speech of some non-Aryans. Mleccha is used for one who is impure, dirty or uncultured. It is derived from the root mlich~mlech, meaning to speak indistinctly (like a foreigner or barbarian who does not speak Sanskrit). We find the use of root also in Mahābhāṣya.
    Mleccha (from Vedic Sanskrit म्लेच्छ mleccha, meaning “non-Vedic” or “non-Aryan”, “barbarian”, “foreigners”), also spelt Mlechchha or Mlechha.
    Among the tribes termed Mlechcha were Sakas, Hunas (Huns), Yavanas (Greeks), Kambojas, Pahlavas (Persians), Bahlikas and Rishikas.
    In the Mahabharata, the Chinas appear together with the Kiratas among the armies of king Bhagadatta of Pragjyotisa (Assam). In the Sabhaparvan, the same king is said to be surrounded by the Kiratas, and the Cinas. Also in the Bhismaparvan, the army of Bhagadatta is said to consist of the Kirtas and the “yellow-colored” Cinas.

    Bhishamaparva of Mahabharata also lists the Cinas (Chinese) with the Mlechha (barbarian) tribes of the north like the Yavanas (Greeks), Kambojas, Kuntalas, Hunas (Huns), Parasikas, Darunas, Ramanas, DasamalikasShantiparvan of Mahabharata groups the Cinas (Chinese) with the tribes of the Uttarapatha viz the Yavanas (Greeks), Kiratas (Nepalis), Gandharas (Afghans), Shabras, Barbaras, Shakas (Scythians), Tusharas (Tocharians), Kanakas, Pahlavas (Persians), Andhras, Madrakas, Ramathas, and the Kambojas and states them as living the lives of Dasyus (Slaves). They are mentioned together as tribes beyond the kingdoms of Aryavarta. They are all non Aryans.
    Persians were not Aryans in the eyes of ancient Indians.If the Persians were considered Aryans by ancient Indians why was Iran not included in Aryavartha?

    Native Iranian ancestry while those steppe nomads had high Indo-European steppe ancestry.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2018/06/16/ancient-iranian-agriculturists-hittite-dna-remains-and-the-earliest-indo-european-languages/
    “However, 80% of Iranian Zoroastrian priests belong to Y-DNA lineages I* and I2*. Both I* (I M170) and I2* (I P215) are associated with Cro Magnon/Early European Robust humans, and are exceedingly rare among modern populations.

    I* (M170) is the Paleolithic lineage from which all subclades of Y-DNA I derive. I* (I M170) is My Personal Y-DNA marker.

    About 86% of the Parsi Zoroastrian Priests belong to R1a1a1 Y-DNA marker, a proto Indo European marker that goes back to ancient Yamnaya culture, and hails from the regions surrounding Dnieper river in modern day Ukraine, and what is now Southern Russia.

    Another 14% of Parsi Zoroastrian Priests belong to haplgroup L. According to Dr. Spencer Wells, Haplogroup L-M20 originated in the rugged and mountainous Pamir Knot region in Tajikistan of Central Asia. This haplogroup was found in remains attributed to an elite member of the Hun tribes in Hungary.

    In conclusion, I shall add that Pre-historic people in northern Caucasus, Southern Caucasus and Zagros Mountains would have adopted farming and exchanged goods and languages for thousands of years. These Neolithic Iranian Agriculturists of Zagros Mountains soon merged with proto Indo Europeans, and became one people with them”
    Also
    The Parsi Zoroastrian Priests of India on the other hand, overwhelmingly belong to Y DNA haplogroup R1a1a, sharing many close similarities to the Corded Ware Culture of Mesolithic Northeastern Europe. Interestingly, the genetic results of ancient Corded ware Culture of Northeastern Europe is closest to the Sintashta genomes. The Sintashta culture of northern Eurasian steppe on the borders of Eastern Europe and Central Asia dated to the period 2100–1800 BCE is believed to be the urheimat of the ancient Indo Iranians.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2014/03/31/the-aryan-origin-of-most-iranians-darius-greats-inscription-and-the-propaganda-movie-300/

    Out of 10 Ancient Iranian human male remains assigned to the Andronovo horizon from the greater Khorasan in the northeast of Greater Airan/Iran, 9 possessed the distinct Aryan R1a Y-chromosome haplogroup. (That is the ancient Iranian/Aryan marker R1a predominates in Andronovo samples)

    mtDNA haplogroups of nine individuals assigned to the same Andronovo horizon and region were as follows: U4 (2 individuals), U2e, U5a1, Z, T1, T4, H, and K2b.

    The study determined that at least 2/3 of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human remains’ samples of the study that could be tested) had light hair and grey or blue, green eyes.

    (An average of 8% to 9% percent of Present day Iranians have light colored eyes in the urban areas and about 15% of the Present day Iranians in the rural mountainous areas have light colored eyes.)

    Today, R-M17 can be found in most parts of Western Asia, in widely varying concentrations, from almost NO presence in areas such as Saudi Arabia and Jordan, to much higher levels in Kurdish parts of Iraq, Eastern Turkey and Iran.

    Wells 2001, noted that in the western part of the country, Iranians show lower R-M17 levels (an average of 15%,) while males of eastern parts of Iran carried up to 35% R-M17.

    Nasidze 2004 found R-M17 in approximately 20% of Iranian males from the cities of Tehran and Isfahan. Regueiro 2006 in a study of Iran noted much higher frequencies of R1a among the population.

    R-M17 is found in extremely high frequencies among ancient Iranian Tajik populations of Central Asia, especially in the mountainous badakhshan region and the towering Pamir ranges.

    The highest R1a1 frequencies are detected in the Central Asian populations of Ishkashemi Tajiks (68%) and Pamiri Tajiks (64%), both groups being remnants of the original Eastern Iranian population of the region. Apart from these two groups, high frequencies of R1a1 are also found in Pashtuns (44.8%) and eastern parts of the Iranian Highlands up to frequencies of 35%, similar to Northern India.

    In Europe, the R-M17 sub-clade, is found at highest levels among peoples of Eastern European descent (Poles, Russians and Ukrainians; 50 to 65%) (Balanovsky 2008, Behar 2003, and Semino 2000).

    In the Baltic countries R-M17 frequencies decrease from Lithuania (45%) to Estonia (around 30%) (Kasperaviciūte 2005).

    There is a significant presence in peoples of Scandinavian descent, with highest levels in Norway and Iceland, where between 20 and 30% of men are in R-M17 (Bowden 2008 and (Dupuy 2005).

    Vikings and Normans may have also carried the R-M17 lineage westward; accounting for at least part of the small presence in the British Isles (Passarino 2002 and Capelli 2003).

    In East Germany, where Haplogroup R-M17 reaches a peak frequency in Rostock at a percentage of 31.3%, it averages between 20%-30% (Kayser 2005).

    In Southern Europe R-M17 is not common, for example only 10% in Albania Kosovo and most parts of Greece (Pericić 2005, Rosser 2000 and Semino 2000).

  384. Malla says:

    Highlighted from above post
    Out of 10 Ancient Iranian human male remains assigned to the Andronovo horizon from the greater Khorasan in the northeast of Greater Airan/Iran, 9 possessed the distinct Aryan R1a Y-chromosome haplogroup. (That is the ancient Iranian/Aryan marker R1a predominates in Andronovo samples)

    mtDNA haplogroups of nine individuals assigned to the same Andronovo horizon and region were as follows: U4 (2 individuals), U2e, U5a1, Z, T1, T4, H, and K2b.

    The study determined that at least 2/3 of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human remains’ samples of the study that could be tested) had light hair and grey or blue, green eyes.
    (An average of 8% to 9% percent of Present day Iranians have light colored eyes in the urban areas and about 15% of the Present day Iranians in the rural mountainous areas have light colored eyes.)

  385. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The Mycenaeans who encountered the Indo-European steppe migrants adopted the latter’s language and mythology as a way of distinguishing themselves from their richer and more powerful rivals in the region.

    This is ridiculous. Why would they adopt the language and mythology of an “inferior” people? And the high amount of Steppe ancestry among the royal tombs.

    Christianity spread throughout Europe not because the early Christians conquered and ruled over Europe but because the Roman Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity.

    This is nothing like what happened with Indo European influence on Greek mythology. A false analogy.

    Vladimir the Great converted to Orthodox Christianity after visiting Constantinople. The Persians and the Arabs were conquered by the Turks, Mongols and Timurids but their conquerors adopted the Persian language and culture as well as the Arabic language and Islamic religion.

    Most of them adopted a culture which was well established. Why would Greeks adopt the culture of “inferior” people? This is very rare in history.

    In all of the above cases, no gene flows nor human migrations occurred.

    In the case of the Mycenaeans, gene flow did occur. Adopting the language and mythology of an aristocratic or elite or conqueror population is very common in history. English being a language used enormously in India. Africans using European languages. Arabic being common in North Africa. Indo European languages becoming the dominant one in North India. Spanish language and religion in Latin America.

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  386. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    This is ridiculous. Why would they adopt the language and mythology of an “inferior” people? And the high amount of Steppe ancestry among the royal tombs.

    Christianity was founded by a group of Judeans who were a conquered people. White slaves who then adopted Christianity were persecuted by the Romans who fed them to lions in the Coliseum. Why would the Roman Emperor Constantine adopt the Christian religion which was founded by their Judean colonial subjects and practiced by their White slaves?

    In the case of the Mycenaeans, gene flow did occur. Adopting the language and mythology of an aristocratic or elite or conqueror population is very common in history. English being a language used enormously in India. Africans using European languages. Arabic being common in North Africa. Indo European languages becoming the dominant one in North India. Spanish language and religion in Latin America.

    Gene flow did occur but not by much. So the cultural influences of the steppe migrants in terms of their Indo-European language and mythology as adopted by the Mycenaean elites could be explained by other factors such as political expediency (the need to unite the Mycenaean masses into nation against their richer and more powerful Semitic Civilizations in the Near East and Egypt). Vladimir the Great also did the same thing for his Slavic people in the pre-Christian Kievan Rus. Here’s a paper with the following conclusion:

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/05e2/71c80c0b7b1afc4d61e5d55609b7a29e639d.pdf

    The Slavs, as a culturally and linguistically distinct people, emerged in Central and Eastern Europe on a relatively small area. Geographically the Slavic cradle was located somewhere along the northern slopes of the Carpathian mountains, reaching as far north as the Pripet marshes that divided the proto-Slavic group from the proto-Balts. As the linguistic uniformity of Slavonic languages suggests, the process of Slavic ethnogenesis must have been completed at some time during the first half of the millenium C.E. – prior to their migration period during the 6th and 7th centuries C.E. The area under discussion was under a strong Iranian (possibly Scythian and more likely Sarmatian) influence, during the first millenium B.C.E. and until the 3rd century C.E. This explains the strong Iranian influence on pre-Christian Slavic religion. The Scythians and Sarmatians spoke dialects which are classified as Eastern Iranian. Nowadays the Ossetic language of the Caucasus is the sole survivor of this linguistic group. However, for the purpose of clarity, throughout this study both Scythians and Sarmatians will be referred to as Northern Iranians, basically employing a geographical rather than a linguistic context.

    There is no doubt that the long association between Slavs and Iranians left a visible mark on their beliefs. Their religion absorbed and incorporated numerous Iranian elements; nevertheless, Slavic beliefs had also developed on their own. In this context the deities like Svarog, Svarozhich, Dazhbog, Veles and Stribog should be regarded as Slavic, rather than Iranian. Only Khors and Simargi are clear and direct borrowings from the Northern Iranian pantheon.

    Vladimir’s pantheon was not a foreign, Scandinavian elite cult. It is reasonable to assume that certain Norman elements were incorporated into the Kievan cult, but their impact is hardly traceable. In principle, Vladimir’s pantheon was a response to internal socio-political changes and the external needs of the emerging Eastern Slavic state. It was a henotheistic and dynastic cult focusing on the deity which best served state building purposes -Perun. It was a product of the long evolution of the Eastern Slavic religion which in post-migration times diverged from relative conceptual unity of the common Slavic beliefs. Eastern Slavic beliefs evolved in specific geographic, ethnic and political conditions, characteristics of Eastern Europe. Its development was the response to those circumstances. Serving new needs and purposes, the Kieven cult had to incorporate new attributes and acquire a new dimension. Nevertheless, those elements were drawn mainly from Slavic and Northern Iranian heritage, rather than from the Scandinavian one.

    Note that the above paper uses the term “Northern Iranians” to refer to the Eurasian steppe nomads such as the Sarmatians and Scythians who spoke an Eastern Iranian language. In reality, those Eurasian steppe nomads had little to no native Iranian ancestry but did have pure to high Indo-European steppe ancestry. Nevertheless, they spoke an Eastern Iranian language and adopted elements of Iranian mythology, indicating a reverse flow of cultural influences from Eastern Iranians in Central Asia to the Indo-European steppe nomads in the Eurasian steppe. As I wrote in my last post, the Western Iranians who had high native Iranian ancestry and low Indo-European steppe ancestry conquered the Eastern Iranians who had evenly-split Indo-European steppe and native Iranian ancestry, further diluting the steppe ancestry of the Eastern Iranians. Politically unified as a single State under Cyrus the Great during the Achaemenid Empire, the Persians (then an Western Iranian ethnic group living in Persis) had adopted the “Aryan” identity, the Old Persian language and Zoroastrianism for political purposes as a way of unifying both Western Iranians and Eastern Iranians while still retaining the Elamite language for administrative purposes. By the time of the Sasanian, Zoroastrianism had become the State religion partly to negate the Hellenistic influences of the Macedonian Empire of Alexander the Great as well as to stem the influences of Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism.

    The cultural adoption of foreign languages and religions thus occur in order to serve political purposes, as seen in the case of the Persians as well as the Slavs.

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  387. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Christianity was founded by a group of Judeans who were a conquered people.

    Again Christianity is very different from pagan religions. It is a missionary religion. Not the best example to take. Pagan religions do not spread that easily like missionary religions like Christianity, Islam or Buddhism. And even if they spread they do so either due to conquests & elite formation or is picked up from a people who are equal or superior in civilization. For example the spread of Hinduism in South East Asia. It could have spread partially by Brahmins (elites) or by cultural influence from South India who were culturally more or less equals to Indonesians. For that to happen with Mycenaean and Indo Europeans, the Ukrainian Indo Europeans would have been culturally equal or superior to the Mycenaeans or they formed an elite. Even Islam, Christianity and Buddhism have spread via migration and elite formation (Turkish elites in India) or being picked up by the elite (Emperor Constantine adopting Christianity, Genghis Khan adopting Buddhism) but they can spread easily via missionaries which is much difficult for Pagan religions.

    Christianity was originally the religion of the underclass and slaves as a revolutionary religion though it is possible some elites had already converted to it. Christianity in the early days of the Roman Empire was considered a type of Communism/Socialism of its day. Indo European religions never played that role. Normally Pagan religions are adopted from people who are more or equally advanced. Very rarely has a Pagan mythology been adopted from a more backward people to such an extent that it becomes so dominant. So either the Indo Europeans were the elites, either conquerors or were considered equals in civilization to be picked up via cultural assimilation. It is possible to pick some language words or mythological concepts from a conquered people (Indian words in English) or a very primitive people (Boomerang a word from Aboriginal Australians in English) but they rarely become so dominant. Greek language and mythology even in the earlier Mycenaean period was predominantly Indo European even if they picked their script from non Indo-European Phoenicians.
    Eastern Slavs like the Rus picking up Orthodox Christianity did not happen from a backward people (Byzantium).

    Gene flow did occur but not by much. So the cultural influences of the steppe migrants in terms of their Indo-European language and mythology as adopted by the Mycenaean elites could be explained by other factors such as political expediency (the need to unite the Mycenaean masses into nation against their richer and more powerful Semitic Civilizations in the Near East and Egypt).

    This is just a convenient explanation. To compete with their richer more powerful neighbour they would pick up the language and mythology of a supposedly “inferior people”?
    The other explanation could be the Indian model where the Indo European mythology and language could have such huge impact could be because it was the language of the elites. Also the high steppe ancestry in royal tombs supports this. Even the Indo European speaking Mitanni who formed a ruling class over the Hurrians.

    The Hittites came into Anatolia some time before 2000 BC from the Pontic–Caspian steppe, in present-day Ukraine, around the Sea of Azov and spoke an early Indo-European language during the third and fourth millennia BC. The arrival of the Hittites in Anatolia in the Bronze Age was one of a superstrate imposing itself on a native culture (in this case over the pre-existing Hattians and Hurrians), either by means of conquest or by gradual assimilation. In archaeological terms, relationships of the Hittites to the Ezero culture of the Balkans and Maykop culture of the Caucasus have been considered within the migration framework. The Indo-European element at least establishes Hittite culture as intrusive to Anatolia in scholarly mainstream.

    Steppe herders, archaic Proto-Indo-European speakers, spread into the lower Danube valley about 4200–4000 BC, either causing or taking advantage of the collapse of Old Europe. Their languages included archaic Proto-Indo-European dialects of the kind partly preserved later in Anatolian. Their descendants later moved into Anatolia estimated as early as 3000 BC. According to J. P. Mallory it is likely that the Anatolians reached the Near East from the north either via the Balkans or the Caucasus in the 3rd millennium BC. According to Parpola, the appearance of Indo-European speakers from Europe into Anatolia, and the appearance of Hittite, is related to later migrations of Proto-Indo-European speakers from the Yamnaya culture into the Danube Valley at c. 2800 BC, which is in line with the “customary” assumption that the Anatolian Indo-European language was introduced into Anatolia sometime in the third millennium BC.

    Their movement into the region may have set off a Near East mass migration sometime around 1900 BC. The dominant indigenous inhabitants in central Anatolia at the time were Hurrians and Hattians who spoke non-Indo-European languages.

    Again we see an Indo-European elite formation (Hittite & Mitaani) on a earlier population (Hurrians) and influence (at least language and mythology) on conquered people. It is very likely the same happened in Greece, Persia (over the Elamites) and India (over Indus valley people & hunter gatherers).

    Nevertheless, they spoke an Eastern Iranian language and adopted elements of Iranian mythology, indicating a reverse flow of cultural influences from Eastern Iranians in Central Asia to the Indo-European steppe nomads in the Eurasian steppe.

    The Eastern Iranians were already predominantly Indo Europeans. So there was no reverse. Just the exchange in between similar people. Because we do not find anything similar to Indo European mythology in any earlier people.

    The highest R1a1 frequencies are detected in the Central Asian populations of Ishkashemi Tajiks (68%) and Pamiri Tajiks (64%), both groups being remnants of the original Eastern Iranian population of the region. Apart from these two groups, high frequencies of R1a1 are also found in Pashtuns (44.8%) and eastern parts of the Iranian Highlands up to frequencies of 35%, similar to Northern India.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6822619/
    The Formation of Human Populations in South and Central Asia
    By sequencing 523 ancient humans, we show that the primary source of ancestry in modern South Asians is a prehistoric genetic gradient between people related to early hunter-gatherers of Iran and southeast Asia. Following the Indus Valley Civilization’s decline, they mixed with people in the southeast to form one of the two main ancestral populations of South Asia whose direct descendants live in southern India. Simultaneously, they mixed with descendants of Steppe pastoralists who spread via Central Asia after 4000 years ago to form the other main ancestral population. The Steppe ancestry in South Asia has the same profile as that in Bronze Age Eastern Europe, tracking a movement of people that affected both regions and that likely spread the unique shared features shared between Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic languages.

    Also you confuse the term Iranian. The oldest culture we know of in Iran – the Elamites – flourished much before in what we call Iran today. Their main centres were Anshan in the southwest Zagros mountains, and Susa (Shush) on the plain in what’s now known as Khuzistan (Khuzestan), Susiana or Ilam. The Elamites were not Iranians, nor were they Semitic. They spoke a language of their own, completely unrelated to the later languages of the Iranian peoples. They were earlier not related to the Medes, Persians and other Iranian peoples who started to arrive on the Iranian plateau later, from about 2000 -1000 BC. They did, though, occupy much of the territory where Iranians later came to dominate, and their culture and art had an influence on later developments in the Persian empire. The Elamites worshiped Gods like Inshushinak, Naparisha and Kiririsha who are very different from later Iranians.

    The Proto-Indo-Iranians, the Proto-Iranians separated from the Proto-Indo-Aryans early in the 2nd millennium BCE who had earlier branched away from other Indo Europeans. Iranian peoples first appear in Assyrian records in the 9th century BCE. In Classical Antiquity, they were found primarily in Scythia (in Central Asia, Eastern Europe, the Balkans and the Northern Caucasus) and Persia (in Western Asia). They divided into “Western” and “Eastern” branches from an early period, roughly corresponding to the territories of Persia and Scythia, respectively. By the 1st millennium BCE, Medes, Persians, Bactrians and Parthians populated the Iranian plateau, while others such as the Scythians, Sarmatians, Cimmerians and Alans populated the steppes north of the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, as far as the Great Hungarian Plain in the west. The Saka tribes remained mainly in the far-east, eventually spreading as far east as the Ordos Desert (North-Central China).
    By the 10th century, the Eastern Iranian languages were no longer spoken in many of the territories they were once spoken, with the exception of Pashto in Central Asia, Ossetic in the Northern Caucasus and Pamiri languages in Badakhshan. Various Persian empires flourished throughout antiquity, and fell to the Islamic conquest in the 7th century.
    As early as the 20th century BC, tribes came to the Iranian Plateau from the Pontic–Caspian steppe. Three of the major horse-riding , Indo-European speaking peoples who arrived from Central Asia into the Iranian plateau in the second millennium B.C. were the Medes , the Persians ( Parsa ) and the Scythians. The arrival of Iranians on the Iranian plateau forced the Elamites to relinquish one area of their empire after another and to take refuge in Elam, Khuzestan and the nearby area, which only then became coterminous with Elam. Bahman Firuzmandi say that the southern Iranians might be intermixed with the Elamite peoples living in the plateau. By the mid-first millennium BC, Medes, Persians, and Parthians populated the Iranian plateau.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/4311206?seq=1
    The Earliest Persians in Southwestern Iran: The Textual Evidence

    Until the rise of the Medes, they all remained under Assyrian domination, like the rest of the Near East. In the first half of the first millennium BC, parts of what is now Iranian Azerbaijan were incorporated into Urartu. The Iranians who had been infiltrating the Anshan region since the end of the 2nd millennium had by this time (7th century BC) assimilated with the Elamites and established an identity as Persians – Teispes and his successors were Persian kings of Anshan, part of the land of Elam.
    There was even a concept of an Elamo-Dravidian language family. That the Dravidian languages assumed to be the languages closest to what was spoken in the Indus Valley civilization was similar to the language of pre-Aryan Iran. However this is highly contested. Of course today’s South Indians/Dravidians were formed mostly by the mixing of Indus valley people (who were eventually 25% black hunter gatherers) with more hunter gatherer tribes when some of the Indus valley people went into the interior of India escaping the Aryans taking their language with them. However South Indians too have a dose of Steppe Aryan and Mongloid (Tibetan + Cambodians).
    It seems like Indo Europeans invaded and conquered agricultural populations in both Iran and North India and eventually intermixed with the conquered populations. Hence the lower percentage of R in todays Iran. Also do not forget that according to Ibn Battuta, a large number of people, particularly males, were killed; between 1220 and 1258, 90% of the total population of Iran may have been killed as a result of mass extermination and famine during Mongol rule, that would change the Y chromosome of Iran a lot. But R haplogroup did come to Iran much before they conquered the Eastern Iranians peoples. And thus with R came Iranian (and thus Indo-European) languages and mythology. As I said the earlier language and mythology of the Elamites had nothing to do with Indo-European languages and mythologies of the world though some of that made its way in the combined Persian society. Just like Hinduism in India eventually combined elements of Aryan and Indus valley as well as tribals and others, even Tibet.

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  388. According to JewishGen website there were about 1,5000 Jewish people living in Europe in the early 1800’s and yet, according to a Harvard University and London College University’s database there were around 180 Jewish families that owned slaves in the Caribbean, and they all applied for – and received compensation from the government once slavery was abolished.

    You can search and see if any of your ancestors owned slaves

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/search/

  389. @Angharad

    There were 22 families with the surname BENJAMIN that owned slaves in the Caribbean around the time Judah Benjamin fled to England. Maybe they were related?

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/search/

  390. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Christianity was originally the religion of the underclass and slaves as a revolutionary religion though it is possible some elites had already converted to it. Normally Pagan religions are adopted from people who are more or equally advanced. Very rarely has a Pagan mythology been adopted from a more backward people to such an extent that it becomes so dominant. So either the Indo Europeans were the elites, either conquerors or were considered equals in civilization to be picked up via cultural assimilation. Eastern Slavs like the Rus picking up Orthodox Christianity did not happen from a backward people (Byzantium).

    The Roman elites did convert to Christianity after Emperor Constantine. Same thing with Orthodox Christianity under Vladimir the Great for Slavs. And not just religion or language but any kind of cultural influence can spread without requiring nor implying gene flow nor elite domination such as Black Music in the USA. White Americans didn’t intermix with Black Americans who didn’t dominate the WASP ruling class and yet Black Music has come to define American Music today. And it all started when a White Man by the name of Elvis Presley adopted Black Music in the American South which was where Blacks were treated the worst in the USA!

    Greek language and mythology even in the earlier Mycenaean period was predominantly Indo European even if they picked their script from non Indo-European Phoenicians.

    https://www.ancient.eu/Linear_B_Script/

    Linear B is the oldest preserved form of written Greek that we know of. By the time we first meet this writing system, Greece and different areas of the western coast of Asia Minor were already Greek-speaking. Linear B was used to write an archaic form of Greek known as Mycenaean Greek, which was the official dialect of the Mycenaean civilization. The inscriptions found in Crete appear to be older than those discovered in mainland Greece. The oldest confirmed Linear B tablets are the so-called Room of the Chariot Tablets from Knossos and have been dated to c.1450-1350 BCE, while the tablets found at Pylos have been dated to c. 1200 BCE. This suggests that the Linear B script was devised in Knossos (Crete), somewhere around 1450 BCE when the Mycenaeans took control of Knossos, and spread from here to mainland Greece. Whether by peaceful annexation or armed invasion, we know that the Minoan culture was replaced, both in Crete and in mainland Greece, by the Mycenaean culture.

    Long before the Mycenaeans took control of Knossos, the Minoan civilization had a writing system in use known as Linear A Script, which was employed to represent the official Minoan language. Nothing certain is known about the Minoan language. Its linguistic affiliation remains a mystery, but the general consensus is that the language was not Greek; probably it was not even part of the Indo-European languages. Since Linear B shares many signs with the older Linear A, it has been inferred that Linear B came into existence when the scribes adapted Linear A to a new language: Greek. This idea is further supported by the fact that Linear B is poorly suited to writing Greek.

    Linear B texts are mostly of an administrative nature, often under the form of lists of goods, statements of delivery, and records of commercial transactions. Tablets found at Pylos, for instance, provide details on the manufacture and distribution on palace-supervised commodities such as woollen and linen fabrics and perfume oils. Since the Mycenaean palaces performed not only an economic and political function but also a religious one, some of the deciphered Linear B texts are concerned with lists of religious offerings. These lists provide us with an idea of the type of items being offered (mainly foodstuff, including wine and olive oil) and also with the names of some of the gods and goddesses addressed. Interestingly, many of the names used in Mycenaean times were the same names used for the deities of the classical Greek world: Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Hermes, Ares, Dionysos, and Artemis are just some examples.There is no certainty that there was cult continuity between Mycenaean times and classical times, but at least the names of several deities remained unchanged. A few examples of Linear B texts also mention chariots, armour, weapons, and soldiers getting ready for military campaigns.

    After the collapse of the Mycenaean political order in c. 1200 BCE, the use of the Linear B script gradually diminished until it was fully abandoned around 1100 BCE. Literacy was completely lost in the Greek world until its return during the 8th century BCE, with the emergence of a new writing system: the Greek alphabet. The Linear B Script and the Greek alphabet are two completely different and unrelated writing systems, which reflects in a way how deeply Greece plunged into illiteracy and stagnation during the interval between the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization and the Greek Archaic period, a time known as the Greek Dark Age.

    From the above, we can conclude the following:

    1). Proto-Greek was already spoken on the Greek mainland by the descendants of Indo-European migrants turned settlers who intermixed with the native Pelasgians.
    2) Minoan Civilization had spread to the Greek mainland by the time of the Mycenaean Civilization when the walled Mycenaean city-states in the Greek mainland supplanted the unwalled Minoan city in Crete.
    3) Myceneans elites created the Linear B script for proto-Greek which declined after the Bronze Age Collapse of Mycenaean Civilization, followed by the arrival of Classical Greek using the Phoenician Alphabet and the founding of the Classical Greek city-states.

    The other explanation could be the Indian model where the Indo European mythology and language could have such huge impact could be because it was the language of the elites. Also the high steppe ancestry in royal tombs supports this. Even the Indo European speaking Mitanni who formed a ruling class over the Hurrians.

    This is where your model fails because proto-Greek was already being spoken on the Greek mainland before the Mycenaean elites decided to switch from Linear A to Linear B. If the Indo-Europeans who spoke proto-Greek were the Mycenaean elites, then why would they need to make the switch to a cumbersome script such as Linear B if they could already communicate with other proto-Greek-speaking people on the Greek mainland? What is more likely was that the Mycenaean elites adopted the proto-Greek language because they wanted the Mycenaean masses to be able to communicate with the proto-Greeks living on the Greek mainland. As for the presence of Indo-European steppe ancestry in the Royal Tombs, that can be explained by the Mycenaean elites recruiting proto-Greeks from the Greek mainland to form their Army in order to defend their walled city-states against attacks from their rivals in the region such as the Hittites, Egyptians, Babylonians, etc. and then having the military officers marry into the Mycenaean elites for political purposes. The Trojan War is an example of this rivalry in the Aegean Sea.

    Your model also fails in the case of the Indo-European-speaking Mitannis ruling over the non-Indo-European-speaking Hurrians because the Hurrian masses continued to speak Hurrian which is not an Indo-European language.

    The Hittites came into Anatolia some time before 2000 BC from the Pontic–Caspian steppe, in present-day Ukraine, around the Sea of Azov and spoke an early Indo-European language during the third and fourth millennia BC. The arrival of the Hittites in Anatolia in the Bronze Age was one of a superstrate imposing itself on a native culture (in this case over the pre-existing Hattians and Hurrians), either by means of conquest or by gradual assimilation.

    Again we see an Indo-European elite formation (Hittite & Mitaani) on a earlier population (Hurrians) and influence (at least language and mythology) on conquered people.

    The Hittites is an interesting case because it is the first recorded instance of an Indo-European-speaking people from the Pontic-Caspian steppe invading (military conquest) and ruling (political domination) over an existing non-Indo-European-speaking population in Anatolia. There are written records of their political history of military conquests followed by political domination via State formation (Kingdoms or Empires). No such written records exist that can attest to the political history of military conquest and State formation by the Indo-European-speaking proto-Greeks in Mycenaean Greece.

    But your model fails again because the Hittites failed to spread the use of Hittite which is the oldest attested Indo-European language not only among the conquered populations of Hattians and Hurrians but also among their Semitic rivals in the region. Indeed, Hittite completely disappeared after the collapse of the Hittite Empire. Compare that to Classical Greek which spread rapidly not only in Greece but in the whole Mediterranean. Here’s the extent of Greek and Phoenician influence in the ancient world:

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  391. geokat62 says:

    Here’s the extent of Greek and Phoenician influence in the ancient world:

    The link is broken.

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  392. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Also you confuse the term Iranian. The oldest culture we know of in Iran – the Elamites – flourished much before in what we call Iran today. Their main centres were Anshan in the southwest Zagros mountains, and Susa (Shush) on the plain in what’s now known as Khuzistan (Khuzestan), Susiana or Ilam. The Elamites were not Iranians, nor were they Semitic. They spoke a language of their own, completely unrelated to the later languages of the Iranian peoples. They were earlier not related to the Medes, Persians and other Iranian peoples who started to arrive on the Iranian plateau later, from about 2000 -1000 BC. They did, though, occupy much of the territory where Iranians later came to dominate, and their culture and art had an influence on later developments in the Persian empire. The Elamites worshiped Gods like Inshushinak, Naparisha and Kiririsha who are very different from later Iranians.

    There is no confusion as Elam is considered to be an ancient Iranian State and was treated as such by its powerful Semitic neighbors such as the Assyrian and Kassite-Babylonian Empires. Elam also had trading relationships with Mesopotamian Civilizations to the West, the Oxus Civilization to the East and the Indus Valley Civilization to the South. The Elamite language — while not related to the Semitic Akkadian script of Assyria and Babylonia thus making it a language isolate — has been proposed to comprise the Elamo-Dravidian family of languages. Nevertheless, its importance is underscored by the fact that Elamite was used as one of three official languages in the Achaemenid Empire for administrative purposes. Here’s a paper on the etymology on “Elam” and its relationship with the different ethnic groups and regions of Iran:

    http://assets.cambridge.org/052156/3585/sample/0521563585WS.pdf

    As early as the 20th century BC, tribes came to the Iranian Plateau from the Pontic–Caspian steppe. Three of the major horse-riding, Indo-European speaking peoples who arrived from Central Asia into the Iranian plateau in the second millennium B.C. were the Medes , the Persians ( Parsa ) and the Scythians. The arrival of Iranians on the Iranian plateau forced the Elamites to relinquish one area of their empire after another and to take refuge in Elam, Khuzestan and the nearby area, which only then became coterminous with Elam.

    No historical and archaeological evidence exists to support the old theory of the so-called “Indo-European Conquest of Iran”, as you put it:

    1). Indo-European tribes, as early as the 20th century BC, came to the Iranian Plateau from the Pontic–Caspian steppe.

    2). Three of the major horse-riding, Indo-European speaking peoples who arrived from Central Asia into the Iranian plateau in the second millennium B.C. were the Medes , the Persians ( Parsa ) and the Scythians.

    3). The arrival of Iranians on the Iranian plateau forced the Elamites to relinquish one area of their empire after another and to take refuge in Elam, Khuzestan and the nearby area, which only then became coterminous with Elam.

    What is known today are the following:

    1). Proto-Indo-European-speaking steppe nomads left the Pontic-Caspian Steppe around 3,000BCE for Europe.

    2). Proto-Indo-Iranian-speaking steppe nomads began migrating from the Eurasian Steppe to Central Asia around 2,000BCE, a thousand years after the early Indo-European-speakers had already settled all over Europe. This later Eastern branch (Indo-Iranian, Balto-Slavic) are satem languages in contrast to the earlier Western branch ( Hellenic, Celtic, Italic and Germanic) which are centum languages.

    3). Between 2,000-1,000BCE, Indo-Iranian-speaking sedentary farmers migrated to Iran from the BMAC Civilization (Oxus) in Central Asia which produced a hybrid culture from the intermixing of native Iranian farmers with steppe nomads from the Eurasian Steppe.

    4). At around 1,000BCE, Western Iranian-speakers (Medes, Persians) emerged in Iran while Eastern Iranian-speakers (Bactrians, Sogdians, Parthians, etc.) emerged in Central Asia. Steppe nomads with full or high “Indo-European” ancestry also emerged on the Eurasian Steppe speaking Eastern Iranian.

    See this paper:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6822619/

    A key gradient formed in southwestern Asia beginning in the Neolithic and continuing into the Bronze Age, with more Anatolian farmer-related ancestry in the west and more Iranian farmer-related ancestry in the east. This cline extended to the desert oases of Central Asia and was the primary source of ancestry in peoples of the Bronze Age Bactria Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC). This supports the idea that the archaeologically documented dispersal of domesticates was accompanied by the spread of people from multiple centers of domestication.

    The main population of the BMAC carried no ancestry from Steppe pastoralists and did not contribute substantially to later South Asians. However, Steppe pastoralist ancestry appeared in outlier individuals at BMAC sites by the turn of the second millennium BCE around the same time as it appeared on the southern Steppe.

    From Bronze Age Iran and Turan, we obtained genome-wide data for 84 ancient individuals (3000–1400 BCE) who lived in four urban sites of the Bactria Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC) and its immediate successors. The great majority of these individuals fall in a cluster genetically similar to the preceding groups in Turan, consistent with the hypothesis that the BMAC coalesced from preceding pre-urban populations. We infer three primary genetic sources: early Iranian farmer-related ancestry (~60–65%), and smaller proportions of Anatolian farmer- (~20–25%) and WSHG-related ancestry (~10%). Unlike preceding Copper Age individuals from Turan, people of the BMAC cluster also harbored an additional 2–5% ancestry related (deeply in time) to Andamanese Hunter-Gatherers (AHG). This evidence of north-to-south gene flow from South Asia is consistent with the archaeological evidence of cultural contacts between the Indus Valley Civilization and the BMAC and the existence of an IVC trading colony in northern Afghanistan.

    The Medes and Persians were native to the Media and Persis regions of ancient Iran as they were the descendants of Iranian-speaking migrants from the BMAC Civilization in Central Asia. But they became vassals of the Assyrian Empire while the Elamite Empire existed until its conquest by the Assyrian Empire. The Medes founded their own Median Empire by fighting the Scythian invaders and helping destroy the Assyrian Empire until its annexation by Cyrus the Great as part of the Achaemenid Empire.

    My use of the term “Iranian” refers both to their genetics as well as their nationality. The term “Elamite” itself refers to the Elamite nationality of various tribes with similar “Iranian” genetics living under the Elamite Empire. After the Iranian-speaking tribes settled in Iran, they intermixed with the natives living there but soon became vassals of the Assyrian Empire including the Medes who founded their own Median Kingdom before expanding their Median Empire to bring down the Assyrian Empire. The Medes also fought the Scythian nomads from the Eurasian Steppe who invaded Iran. The Persians, the Medes as well as the Elamites living in Iran are genetically “Iranian” while the Scythians are “Indo-European”. In a similar vein, the Bactrians, Sogdians, Parthians, etc. in Central Asia are genetically “Iranian” albeit with more “Indo-European” admixture but the Sakas (Eastern Scythians) are genetically “Indo-European” with some East Asian admixture.

    The ability to speak Iranian does not make the steppe nomads — Sarmatians, Scythians, Cimmerians, Sakas, Alans — “Iranian” because they’re not Iranian by genetics nor Iranian by nationality. One could argue that the Elamites are not Medes nor Persian because they belong to different tribes but all of them are “Iranian” by genetics and nationality. In fact, both Medes as well as the later Persians together with the Elamites fought against those steppe nomads to keep them out of their Median and Achaemenid Empires respectively. According to the paper above, the Eastern Iranians (Bactrians, Sogdians, Parthians, etc.) who emerged from the BMAC (Oxus Civilization) in Central Asia had only around 10% WSHG (Western Siberian Hunter Gatherer) ancestry as they had 90% native Iranian or Anatolian farmer ancestry. This indicates little impact on their Iranian genetics from the earlier admixture with steppe nomads from the Eurasian Steppe.

    It seems like Indo Europeans invaded and conquered agricultural populations in both Iran and North India and eventually intermixed with the conquered populations. Hence the lower percentage of R in todays Iran.

    You’re regurgitating the false narrative of the so-called “Indo-European Conquest of Iran”. In the first place, the later “Indo-Iranian” had already branched out of the earlier “Indo-European” after a period of 1,000years, from 3,000BCE to 2,000BCE. Secondly, there was no “Conquest of Indo-European Nomads” but long-term migrations of Iranian-speaking agricultural tribes from Central Asia to Iran over a period of another 1,000years, from 2,000BCE to 1,000BCE. By 1,000BCE, Western Iranian speakers had emerged in Iran while Eastern Iranian speakers had emerged in Central Asia.

    Also do not forget that according to Ibn Battuta, a large number of people, particularly males, were killed; between 1220 and 1258, 90% of the total population of Iran may have been killed as a result of mass extermination and famine during Mongol rule, that would change the Y chromosome of Iran a lot. But R haplogroup did come to Iran much before they conquered the Eastern Iranians peoples.

    With regards to the Mongol Conquest of Central Asia and Iran, there are various estimates of the mass extermination that took place with low figures of 20% to as high as 80%. But in any case, their autosomal DNA has remained largely unchanged over the last 5,000years. Here’s the report:

    https://www.technologynetworks.com/genomics/news/large-genetics-study-finds-irans-population-is-highly-heterogeneous-324374

    The researchers analysed the genetic data of 1,021 volunteers whose parents and grandparents identified themselves as belonging to one of eleven selected Iranian ethnic groups, including large groups such as Iranian Persians and Azeri, but also smaller ones like Arabs, Baluchi, Gilaki and Kurds. These volunteers were sampled all over Iran. They found out that Iranian Persians and Kurds, for example, exhibit high in-group genetic variation which is larger than that of, for example, Germans. However, the entire gene pool has remained largely unchanged over at least the past 5,000 years, but probably rather the past 10,000 years.

    Y-DNA haplogroups only tell someone’s paternal ancestry while mtDNA only tell someone’s maternal ancestry. Genetic studies use the PCA of autosomal DNA to determine genetic distance.

    And thus with R came Iranian (and thus Indo-European) languages and mythology. As I said the earlier language and mythology of the Elamites had nothing to do with Indo-European languages and mythologies of the world though some of that made its way in the combined Persian society.

    The only contribution of the Indo-European steppe nomads is their language and mythology. Everything else is Iranian — Art and Architecture, Law and Government, Science and Technology, Commerce and Industry, Politics and Ideology, Agriculture and Food, Culture and Religion, Writing and Literature — everything needed to organize a complex society and build an advanced civilization which those illiterate nomads from the Eurasian Steppe could not accomplish on their own. How many Kingdoms and Empires did those Indo-European nomads establish? Hittite, Mitanni, Kushan, Indo-Scythian. Possibly less if Mitanni is ruled out because there are no written records of any Indo-European military conquest of the Mitanni Kingdom except for the fact that the Mitanni Kings spoke Indo-Aryan and knew about Indo-European mythology. But that could be attributed to cultural diffusion via elite adoption of the Indo-Aryan language and Indo-European mythology which is likely similar to the Mycenaean Greek case. Meanwhile, both the Kushans and the Indo-Scythians adopted Asian religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism as well as various languages such as Sanskrit which is native to South Asia. So how “Indo-European” were the Kushans and Indo-Scythians when they were ruling over Central and South Asia? Lastly, what is their “Indo-European” contribution to Asian Civilizations?

    In summary, my view is that these illiterate nomads from the Eurasian Steppe turned migrant-settlers were over-rated barbarians who didn’t have writing, didn’t know how to read, didn’t know how to grow fruits or vegetables, didn’t know how to cook food, etc. Simple things that agricultural societies had been doing for at least ten thousand years before these illiterate nomads from the Eurasian Steppe arrived and settled in Asia. And because they didn’t have the political skills to organize themselves into warrior tribes or establish Kingdoms or Empires, those Indo-European nomadic pastoralists were pushed out by another kind of steppe nomads — East Asians — who were the warrior tribes of the Eurasian Steppe. That’s the why they disappeared from the Eurasian Steppe after encountering the warrior tribes from East Asia – Xiongnus, Huns, Turks, Mongols, Timurids — who conquered Asia and Europe and established some of the world’s biggest Empires. Here’s a video of one of them:

    Those East Asians were the Warriors of the Steppe!

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  393. antibeast says:
    @antibeast

    My use of the term “Iranian” refers both to their genetics as well as their nationality. The term “Elamite” itself refers to the Elamite nationality of various tribes with similar “Iranian” genetics living under the Elamite Empire. After the Iranian-speaking tribes settled in Iran, they intermixed with the natives living there.

    One could argue that the Elamites are not Medes nor Persian because they belong to different tribes but all of them are “Iranian” by genetics and nationality.

    According to the paper below, the Persian identity was formed in Iran as hybridized Elamite in origin while the first Persian Empire of the Achaemenid was the successor State to the Elamite Empire with Elamite as the official language of administration. The Iranian nationality was then extended to the Eastern Iranian-speakers in Central Asia after their conquest by Cyrus the Great. And despite Darius the Great’s claim to an “Aryan” identity, he was himself a product of Elamite language, culture, politics and religion which did contribute to Iranian Civilization.

    https://www.academia.edu/1392400/Cyrus_the_Persian_and_Darius_the_Elamite_a_Case_of_Mistaken_Identity

    Cyrus the Persian and Darius the Elamite: a Case of Mistaken Identity, Wouter F.M. Henkelman, Amsterdam, 2011

    In discussions about Persian ethnogenesis, there is a growing consensus that the Indo-Iranian ‘immigrants’ did not march into southwestern Iran with a fully-formed culture from which, in linear development, the Achaemenid empire emerged. Instead of this reductive model of – as Walther Hinz put it – a ‘Landnahme’ in cultural and even in ethnic (biological) terms, more recent scholarship has repeatedly stressed the local, pre-existing Iranian context as a crucial formative factor.

    Also in recent years, the Elamite state in lowland Khūzestān (rather than ‘Media’) appears with increasing clarity as the logical precursor of Persia in terms of statehood (in the broadest sense). There are now good arguments to believe that this state lasted at least until 540/39, and perhaps until 520 BC, which obviously increases its relevance to the debate. In addition, the persistence of Elamite sedentary culture in the Zagros foothills between Khūzestān and Fārs, at sites such as Tappeh Bormī (ancient Huhnur), throughout the Middle and Neo-Elamite periods, means that the inhabitants of the highlands had an immediate access to Elamite (urban) culture.

    Liverani writes in this context “Persia is heir of Elam, not of Media. Elam had a long tradition in statehood, in centralized administration, in written records kept in formal archives. Elam had also a long tradition as a centre of large coalitions of peoples and states on the Iranian plateau, as centre of a network of relationships with the surrounding areas, not only with Susiana […] but also with regions in central, northern, and eastern Iran”.

    Given the above framework, one cannot but conclude that the (Indo-)Iranians, who are assumed to have emerged on the plateau sometime between 1,500 and 1,000 BC, must have been exposed to Elamite culture for some 500 to 1,000 years prior to the rise of the Achaemenid Empire. Under such circumstances, it is unthinkable that large-scale acculturation and integration would not
    have taken place. In fact, there is every reason to agree with Pierre de Miroschedji that Persian ethnogenesis, i.e. the rise of a Persian identity and culture, should be seen in the first place as the result of this far-reaching cross-cultural dynamism. This does not amount to denying or ignoring the evident Indo-Iranian heritage, nor does it intend to obscure the distinctive features of Persian identity and culture. But what the historical and archaeological evidence do forcefully suggest is adaptation, transformation and, above all, that Persian culture is Iran-made.

    In Cyrus’ days, the Elamite kingdom was still the regional power in southwestern Iran, and the example for state structures and organisation. At the time Darius acceded to power, i.e., three generations into the imperial age, the Persian world had grown considerably. The perception of an ‘Aryan’ heritage and past, provided, with its epic associations, a backbone for the imperial claim. In other words, it would in a sense be anachronistic to call Cyrus less Persian than Darius just because he did not make explicit his Persian identity in his titulature and chose a mark of distinction, that of Anšan, that had less significance at the time of Darius. ‘Anšan’ and ‘Aryan’ do not spell out full-blown ethnic or cultural identities but are both expressions of the special status that Persian kings awarded themselves in view of the realities of their day. Meanwhile, ideological expression is just what it is: a surface phenomenon. Darius was no less an important heir to Elam and Elamite culture and no less the product to a Elamo-Iranian milieu than Cyrus and Cambyses. The Elamite used for his victory monument at Bīsotūn and by the scribes in the new residence he founded at Persepolis immediately places Darius’ reign back in its historical context. The same is true for the deities with Elamite and Indo-Iranian background jointly venerated in the heartland. Such factors remind us of the long prehistory of the cultural environment in which not only Cyrus and Cambyses, but also Darius had grown up.

  394. @Tom Verso

    It is a deception that the Jews are a race. And it’s racist to say criticism of the Jews, a non-race, is racist, but “antisemitism” is intended to smear the person accused of it as a racist.

    I didn’t mean you deceive intentionally, sorry, you have been deceived. You fell for it.

    It’s normal for a convert to be very enthusiastic about the new religion.

    And in this case there is something more sinister. Talmudic Pharisaism has always been murderously totalitarian, has exterminated Jews who weren’t talmudic Pharisees, so all modern Jews are that. They’ve done everything to hide their history, but archeologists have established that the Talmudic Jews wiped out the Hellenistic Jews, who didn’t conform in the way you describe, had been there before the Talmud existed and were outside the most highly controlled regions, Palestine and Babylon. And the Code of Maimonides demands the killing all members of the main non-Talmudic Jewish sects, namely the Christians and the Sadducees. And they almost wiped out the Karaites, same thing. And Talmudism is so intensely detailed in its rituals that minimal conformity … That’s all you mention. Means nothing.

  395. Tom Verso says:

    Sorry! You are very much wrong about what I have written.

    I have more than once categorically denied that Jews are a race separate from whites. Indeed, I have incurred more than one insult because I rejection of the idea that Jews are a different race.

    If you insist upon saying that I consider Jews are a separate race, then please site the text and quote me.

    In sum: I have posited that Jews and Muslims are a distinct and separate historic middle eastern CULTURE, which scholars before the Nazis called Semitic; CULTURALLY different from Indo-Europeans, which scholars before Nazis called Aryan.

    Again historic CULTURE not RACE. Culture is a social concept. Race is a biological concept.

  396. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    In summary, my view is that these illiterate nomads from the Eurasian Steppe turned migrant-settlers were over-rated barbarians who didn’t have writing, didn’t know how to read, didn’t know how to grow fruits or vegetables, didn’t know how to cook food, etc.
    And because they didn’t have the political skills to organize themselves into warrior tribes or establish Kingdoms or Empires, those Indo-European nomadic pastoralists

    Your view is obviously wrong. The Indo-Europeans created the ancient Vedic culture in India who looked down upon the Persians themselves as barbarians.

    You’re regurgitating the false narrative of the so-called “Indo-European Conquest of Iran”. In the first place, the later “Indo-Iranian” had already branched out of the earlier “Indo-European” after a period of 1,000years, from 3,000BCE to 2,000BCE. Secondly, there was no “Conquest of Indo-European Nomads” but long-term migrations of Iranian-speaking agricultural tribes from Central Asia to Iran over a period of another 1,000years, from 2,000BCE to 1,000BCE. By 1,000BCE, Western Iranian speakers had emerged in Iran while Eastern Iranian speakers had emerged in Central Asia.

    Not true. The Aryans did go to Persia.

    Recently in 2013, the linguist Michael Witzel of Harvard University joined a team of scientists at the National Institute of Health(NIH) to analyze the genetic component of the Aryans of Central Asia and studied the genes of Tajiks, Pashtuns, Turkmen, Hazara, Uzbeks, Pakistanis, and Persians. Witzel and the NIH team put the results along with the history and archeological evidence to define the origin of Indo-Aryans. The results published under the following title and could be located at the National Library of Medicine at the NIH website.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

    Afghan Hindu Kush: Where Eurasian Sub-Content Gene Flows Converge

    The study is complex and it identified the presence of haplogroups(R1a1a-M198/M17 vs J2a1) in the Persian gene pool that confirms their Eurasian steppe admixture. R1a1a-M198/M17 overexpression and low Y Chromosome among Afghans differentiates them from Persians while the Persians share the J2a1 gene with Afghans. In addition, the Afghan population shows Q1a2-M25 lineage(Turkmen) where such gene expression is absent from the Persian pool. The study could have shown the remaining Persian gene pool that may have Semite, Greek roots that were admixed with Elamites, Medes, and Parthian? Furthermore, the Hindu Kush mountain region shares the unique Y chromosomal variants shared among Pashtuns, Nuristanis and Kalash subgroups: Y haplogroup L3a lineages, which are characterized by having the derived allele for the PK3 Y-SNP and are not found elsewhere [Note 16].

    Despite partial convergence of the genes, however, there is a genetic, cultural, ethnic difference between Aryans of Central Asia and Subcontinent and Persians. Furthermore, there is no single Persian or Aryan gene. And a comparison of haplogroups and their substratum in Y chromosome analysis highlight the differences among the two major ethnicons (low vs high Y chromosome gene expression).

    Moreover, the diversity of gene pool, geographical vicinity between an eastern and western region of the Indus and the kinship between Sanskrit and Avestan and its derivatives of Avestan as well as the twin relationship between Avestan and Vedic cultures hint back to a closer lineage between Afghans and the northern people of the subcontinent.

    For an in-depth analysis of the steppes of Central Asia, the reader should review the following paper at the national library of medicine on the NIH website.

    In general, Persians are the recipient of the Aryan gene and Culture from Central Asia that compromises Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan:

    Afghan Hindu Kush: Where Eurasian Sub-Content Gene Flows Converge [Di Cristofaro J, et al, Note 9]

    In this study, the geneticists and linguist Michael Witzel delineated the fact that the Afghan gene pool played a central position in the spread of the diversification of the gene within Central Asia, West Asia, and South Asia showing an admixture of Pashtuns and Tajiks who migrated to West and South over millenniums influencing the gene pools in both regions through the Aryan migration. The study involved a cohort of Tajiks, Pashtuns, Hazaras, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Persians and Pakistanis [Michael Witzel, Note 10].

    The study at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) conducted Y-Chromosome and Haploid genetic analyses, Autosomal analyses, Mitochondrial DNA, and Refinement of Y-chromosome haplogroup C phylogeography in its sample(N=>500). The studied confirmed previous analysis that the Hindu Kush is indeed the area of transhuman convergence of genetic pool evidenced by archaeological discoveries and linguistic analysis of Indo-Aryan language stocks.

    According to the NIH study, the Indo-European phylum stems from Indo-Aryan that includes the Dravidians speakers. Afghan in the sample show central position; Tajiks, Uzbek and Turkmen population are “close to the Caucasus clusters, that includes the Slavic, Armenian and the Pashtun are close to the Indo-Aryan cluster, and Hazara are, as expected, near to the Altaic cluster.” Afghan gene population show convergence with

    Caucasus clusters (Tajik, Uzbek, and Turkmen )
    Indo-Aryan (Pashtuns)
    Altaic cluster (Hazaras) [see NIH study]
    Parenthetically, this finding confirms the migration of Avestan influence on the Persian ethnicon in the realm of language and Zarathustrian creed that began in the Hindu Kush region and Oxus basin in Central Asia[East-West Migration, G. Gnoli, The Idea of Iran].

    The only way we can judge the transhuman migration of Aryans is the BMAC sites, Avesta and Vedic evidence and the evolution of the Indo-Aryan language trajectories from Andronova Sprachbund or language-cluster (i.e. Eurasia steppe).

    According to Kochhar, Harappans established themselves in the region between Helmand River, Bolan pass on river Bolan, and Arghandab Valley surrounded by Hindukush ranges in or around 4800 BCE. The Aryans moved in two directions into the Indus Valley and into Fars region of Persian Sistan and Fars following the flow of the Helmand tributaries. However, “the absence of IE/IA words for local plants and animals clearly militates against any assumption that Pre Indo-Aryan (pre-IA), or Proto Indo-European (PIE )was the local language of the Panjab or even of Uttar Pradesh during (pre-)Harappan times. This also agrees with the fact that most of the South Asian loan words in the Rgveda, excluding some Central Asian imports (Witzel 1999a,b, c. b), are not found in Iran and beyond[Michael Witzel, Not 5, p366]

    The equation of Rgvedic Hariyūpīyå with the modern town of Harappa (suggested by Wheeler (1968: 27) as well as by Allchin and Allchin (1968: 155)) is totally without basis; -p- would have disappeared in the Prakrit and New Indo-Aryan stages of Panjåbi [Michael Witzel, Note 6, p.248]

    Currently, there is no ancient human remains to be tested for DNA to characterize the presence of Aryan or Persian genes. Horse remains from BMAC and genetic comparison of such genes with the Indian horses may be a viable approach.

    Only archeological evidence from BMAC and horse remains found at BMAC sites mostly in Afghanistan points to the presence of Avestan culture that spread into India and Iran. Rigvedic people and Harappan civilization were not familiar with horses and did not use them as a common motif for agricultural and transportation pursuit (RAJESH KOCHHAR, Note 3, P.4).

    Frachetti et all confirmed the prehistoric settlements in the Hindu Kush evidenced by BMAC artifacts carbon dating to late 3rd millennium BC. In order to characterize the BMAC language, Michael Witzel ((1999), Pinault G-J (2003), Bengtson J (1997, 2003), have conducted extensive linguistic analysis of loanwords to trace the origin of the Indo-Aryan language and its diversification from Avestan(Dari, Pashto, Farsi) and Vedic languages (Sanskrit, Dravidian , Urdu, Hindi,Panjabi) [Notes 11–15].

    ARYA vs. PÂRSA

    The genetic analysis, archaeological sites, the Avestan history, linguistic analysis corroborate the difference between the Arya and Parsa ethnic groups while the latter being the recipient of the former. Strabo and Herodotus were right that Aryans from Ariana settled among Persians and brought their language, faith, and their culture.

    In his Book XV 2, 8, Strabo tells us about the Aryan settlers living among Medes and Persians were bilingual:

    “ε΄πεκενεται δέ ιονμα ιη΄ξ ‘Αριανηξ μέχρονξ τιν΄ξ και περσων Μήδων και των πρόξ ‘αρκτον ΒΑκτρ’ιων κα’ι Σογδιανων είσί γάρ πωξ Δμδγλωιιοι παρα΄μικρο΄ν”

    “extends to the Aryan times of the Middle Ages and the Persian Medes and the Arctic Bactrian and Sogdian bilingual clans for the most part.”

    Neither Avesta, no Gātha nor Vedas make any references to Persians or Iran.
    “To the Achaemenians arya-was a traditional, cultural and religious term that served to evoke their origin, a little of particular nobility, as it were, denoting that one belonged to a political and cultural hegemonic circle, in which the religious factors played a predominant part. Beyond these limits that have just been specified, Arya-did not have an actual political meaning in the Old Persian inscriptions: Neither the xŝaḉa, ‘the kingdom’, nor the xŝȃyaϑya, the king, were defined as arya-. That is to say, the empire was the property of the Pȃrsa and amongst the Pȃrsa, of the Haxȃmaniŝya in particular (Inscription of Darius I, 6–8)”[G. Gnoli, The Idea of Iran, p.20, Note 7]
    Darius I’s inscription 14 f, (Naqs-e Rostam) and inscription 13 of Susa where refers to himself as “an Achaemenian, a Persian son of a Persian”[haxamanisya parsa parshya puca]. Then he describes himself an arya cica [of Aryan stock]
    Darius I proclaims on of his inscriptions at Bisitun: Auramazdah ima dipicicam, tay adam akunavam, patisam ariya(By the favor of Auramazda this (is) the form of writing which has made, besides in Aryan”
    The term Iran did not exist before Sassanians( 224-651 AD). They invented the term in response to the defeat by Greeks and political/administrative purposes.
    Airyanam Vaejah is exclusively Arya, defined and located within the boundaries of [ modern Afghanistan] as per Avestan geography. No mention of Medes and Persian or Iran.
    To this date, archeologists beginning the 1920s have discovered five temples in the region between Balkh and Fars. Four temples are in Afghanistan and one temple is in Iran. The four temples in Afghanistan are all pre-Achamaenian

    Oxus Temple
    Dilberjin Temple
    Ai Khanom Temple
    Dioscuri
    Near Persepolis, there is only one temple called Frataraka. Is there any reason why there are more Zoroastrian temples in Afghanistan and all are pre-Achaemenian? Archeologists again would reason that Zoroastrianism came from Balkh and for that reason, we have a strong presence of this creed.

    The difference between Oxus Temple (1400 BCE) in Afghanistan and the Persian Frataraka temple (1000 BCE –800 BCE) is estimated 4–6 centuries. The Oxus temple is an open-air altar surrounded by four pillars discovered in Jarkutn in Northern Bactria in the 1970s. A similar architectural design is observed in the Persian temple [Anna Kouremenos, Sujatha Chandrasekaran, Roberto Rossi, pp 118–120, Note 8].

  397. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The Roman elites did convert to Christianity after Emperor Constantine. Same thing with Orthodox Christianity under Vladimir the Great for Slavs. And not just religion or language but any kind of cultural influence can spread without requiring nor implying gene flow nor elite domination such as Black Music in the USA.

    Comparing black music to picking up an entire religion and language is ridiculous. I have also stated that Christianity or Buddhism or Islam cannot be compared in the same way to pagan religions. It is very unlikely that a “superior” people would pickup a pagan religion and language from an “inferior people” such that it overwhelms their culture completely.

    Your model also fails in the case of the Indo-European-speaking Mitannis ruling over the non-Indo-European-speaking Hurrians because the Hurrian masses continued to speak Hurrian which is not an Indo-European language.

    No it does not. My model had nothing to do with the commoners and serfs picking up the languages of the elites. My model had nothing to do with that, my model was an example of an indo_European elites over a non indo-European serf population, that is it. By the way, there is some Hittite linguistic influence on Anatolian.

  398. The correct, and complete subject is the AshkeNAZI jews, required all other jews to carry passports identifying them as non AshkeNAZI jews, so the tribal warfare between the jews would more easily identify non AshkeNAZI jew targets.

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