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One can have two approaches to viewing the world; if one is a materialist, he believes that the world, our world, was a consequence of natural processes, and that it is governed by the success of those, both animals and men, who are “dominant” and that any considerations of a higher nature, of spirituality, of unseen forces and powers are mere delusion. As to those who believe that the universe was created by God, they understand that human beings have a higher purpose given to us as a blessing by our Creator, and the Creation was an act of love. Of course, one is free to choose one’s perspective, but it is very evident in events that are upon us now we see the consequence of the majority of humanity embracing the first perspective: a materialist world, in which the dominant power we are to be obedient to is the edicts of other human beings, and that faith is held in only the human, not the Divine.

The consequence in not believing in anything higher than the power of men and their institutions has resulted in great horrors throughout recent history, not merely Nazi Germany but in Russia before the Bolshevik revolution. From The Inkless Pen Blog, in the article “In God We No Longer Trust” the author notes:

To whom or to what will we turn in a time of crisis? This reveals our hearts. Humanity will always have faith in something. Many times we, as a race, simply refuse to have faith in God and would rather put our faith in our own works. Many times we, as Christians, are content to confess with our mouths but not truly believe with our hearts. When push comes to shove, we are found with the world putting our hope in worldly saviors. This reveals a complete lack of faith in God. Yet God allows crisis to reveal hearts.

So what does the current crisis in the world reveal about us?

Many in Christianity, generally speaking, have simply taken up the mantras of secular governments and institutions. Thus, essentially, the message is conveyed that out hope is in them. Many Christians hear about the importance of wearing masks, social distancing, use of disinfectants, proper hygiene, and even the hope of a vaccine. In many places this is a primary message.

A person will always promote that which they believe in. Thus, it seems that even though there are many who claim to be Christians, in some way, the current crisis has revealed that more trust is placed in worldly answers rather than heavenly. (Please remember, I’m striving to address underlying reality. Of course certain precautions could be of benefit, the question is – in what are we putting our hope?)…

And when we stand before the dread throne of Glory, what will we say when we had more hope in the power of antibacterial wipes than we did in the holiness of icons? What shall we say when we put more faith in multiple spoons to not spread disease rather than the Divine power of the Holy Eucharist? Then maybe the Lord will say, let now antibacterial wipes save you.

Moreover the current crisis reveals that people, generally, are most ready to trust in masks and social distancing, for example, rather than God. People are hoping for a savior, not in God but in the power of pharmaceutical scientism. God allows crisis to reveal essential reality – in what the heart of man is willing to believe. [Emphasis added.]

From the site “True Restoration” the author provided this advice for fellow Catholics just before the coming of Christmas this year:

While some of us in the past months grew ever closer with friends and family who are one in mind and heart in the Faith, we realized that those who do not share our convictions, who cling to this passing world, seemingly ignorant of the fact that death comes for all of us, and only at a time appointed by God, not before, and not after, were not friends and family that would endure as such after (or even during) this purported pandemic. All of the shared memories and camaraderie of years past were swallowed up in the lies of this year, and as we stood at the edge of a great gulf which separated them from us, we understood, perhaps for the first time, how desperately far apart we truly were in mind and heart.

No year since I have been brought into this vale of tears has offered more of an opportunity for radical change in my personal and spiritual life. Indeed, as we approach our annual “reset” of the Church’s year, which begins on the First Sunday of Advent, may I propose some Great Resets that would really matter? Use the new liturgical year to reset:

Your intake of the news. “Being informed” is overrated and offers you no information on the only thing that matters, going to Heaven. What little relevant information for your life here on earth is mostly obfuscations and corporate-approved social engineering.

Your spiritual life. Have you been praying enough? If you haven’t been saying the Rosary every single day, what is your excuse in lockdown? This time has not been given to you to complain, but to remember that the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

Your economic life. If you were caught off guard by the lockdown measures, what can you do to lessen and reduce your exposure for what may come in the future? There’s nowhere to run from the forces of organized naturalism, but there are many ways to mitigate their influence in your life, be it growing more of your own food, creating barter/trade partnerships with others, reducing and eliminating your debt, or finding a way to earn a living that can’t be turned off instantly by those who rule us.

Your friends. The spiritual writers constantly remind us how much care we should take with those we surround ourselves with. Sometimes it takes great world events to shake us out of our comfortable complacency. Surely this year may have left us with many fewer friends, but the ones that are with you now are the truest of the true.

Your attachment to the world. Where our heart is, so our treasure will be as well. If we are troubled by elections and appointments and policies, it is because we are attached to this world. If we remove this attachment, we can learn to accept that Our Lord remains in charge, despite mask mandates and the votes of the dead. Justice will be done, if not in this world, in the next. Channel that hunger and thirst for justice into prayer for these villains, who are quite definitely our enemies.

Most of all, remember that shortly after the beginning of this liturgical year, we have the great joy and mystery of Christmas. Christmas can never be “cancelled.” Not now, not ever. No lockdowns or restrictions can take away our joy at contemplating the mystery of the God-man who came to save us from ourselves. Such thoughts can and should be the light in the darkness as the end of 2020 approaches.

The demonic madness (to believers) of those who set into motion the events of the Bolshevik revolution are discussed in this article, “Suicide of the Liberals” on the site “First Things,” and “How Individuals and Nations Become Demonically Possessed,” the latter noting:

Such events unfortunately repeat themselves. Very few people understand what’s happening during these times of demonic possession. The larger part, to our profound regret, perceive their own demonic possession as something admirable, “beating themselves against the rocks… throwing themselves into fire and water”, killing themselves and others. The holy passion bearer Tsar Nicholas II, who did very much for our Fatherland, was defamed and slandered. He had lifted all spheres of the people’s lives (from agriculture to health services) to an unprecedented level for that time. For many years, everything in soviet Russia was compared to the level of 1913. The country was victorious in the bloody First World War. Russian troops were ready to free the Russian territory occupied by Germans, march into Berlin, Vienna, and Constantinople (now Istanbul). The armies of Yudenich and Kolchak were right near Constantinople. Russia was the only country in the world where there were no ration cards during the war. Cards were distributed only for sugar so the people wouldn’t make moonshine. But there were ration cards in neutral Switzerland, and in the USA, which entered the war the day after the Tsar’s arrest. A victorious country that had overcome all the complications of wartime was crushed by its own demonic possession.

To be sure, external forces also participated in the revolution. But we happily accepted this demon of revolution and destroyed a great country. Later, when people came to their senses, they reproached themselves. But it was too late! Just imagine the demonic insanity! The first order of the Provisional Government, the dream of those handshake liberals, was to cease disciplinary measures in a fighting army. The second crazy idea whirling in the demonic maelstrom was the order to fire all governors and vice governors. The entire vertical of power collapsed. The Germans who had retreated under Nicholas II were advancing. The police and gendarmerie were let go and a people’s militia was created using criminals released from prisons (the so-called “Kerensky nestlings”). These insane actions by demon-possessed people, supported by the demon-possessed portion of the population, led up to the point in 1917 when there was no more Russia. The Germans were outside Petrograd. Industry was pummeled, agriculture dead. In 1918 the GNP was equal to thirty percent of what it was the year before. Civil war erupted. And those exaltations over the toppling of Nicholas II, over the new world, were utter madness. Glory be to God, the strength of the Russian people who were raised in the Orthodox faith kept the country from disintegrating altogether. It was even reborn. All the projects that had been engineered under Nicholas II (the famous GOELRO plan;1 the industrialization plan; and five plans for the metro system lay on Tsar Nicholas’s desk) were brought into being, thank God. But at what cost!

And what demonic madness remained! The entire Church structure was practically destroyed; millions of people repressed; an astronomical number of deaths; the culture demolished, and a great heritage destroyed or taken out of the country. In our province [Pskov] there are a multitude of ruined churches and old estates. In their demonic madness the people destroyed all the best the country possessed. It came to the point where our religious and non-religious heritage was denied and rejected. Only in 1934 were schoolchildren allowed to study history and literature.

Suicidal demonic possession often happens to large communities of people. The doctors talk about this in another way, but what they say is also interesting. I am now preparing articles on the events of 1917 and I think, Lord, how could people burn down their own house with the conviction of suicidal fanatics?! Many doctors of that time—Bekhterev, Rossolimo, Ivan Petrovich Pavlov and others were no strangers to the revolutionary mood. Even so, they all say that it was mass psychosis. But Orthodox Christians say that it was demonic possession. Unfortunately, many Orthodox Christians are far from completely understanding this. The events of 1917 speak to this.

My point in writing these words is that for believers we are facing very ugly times indeed; do not discount the power of prayer and good works. I believe many in the West are indeed in the grip of “demonic madness,” not just the architects of the “Great Reset” but its acolytes. Be aware that the battle between spiritual forces of light and darkness take place not only without us but within in us. The battle remains, but for those who truly have faith in God, and those who are Christians, understand there are battles ahead but the war was won long ago.

Yvonne Lorenzo [send her email] makes her home in New England in a house full to bursting with books, including works on classical Greece and Russian history and literature, and has contributed to LewRockwell.com, Unz.com and to TheSaker.is. Her interests include gardening, mythology, ancient history, The Electric Universe, and classical music, especially the compositions of Handel, Mozart, Bach, Haydn, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Mahler, Wagner and the Bel Canto repertoire. She is the author of he Spear of Odin Trilogy: , and the just published

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  1. Wyatt says:

    My point in writing these words is that for believers we are facing very ugly times indeed; do not discount the power of prayer and good works.

    A Crusade would be more useful, methinks.

  2. JasonT says:

    You have gone to the heart of the matter Ms. Lorenzo. While I can quibble about your ideas on Christmas and such, your last paragraph essentially sums up the situation, though I am still waging that battle within me.

  3. raga10 says:

    One can have two approaches to viewing the world

    Ah, we begin the article by setting up logical fallacy called “false dichotomy”.

    Actually there are possible approaches other than the two author lists: for example one can believe god created universe, but for his own purposes that have nothing to do with us – this thesis is actually well supported by the size of known universe, because if god created all of *that* just to create us, he certainly went about it a very roundabout way. One could even believe in malicious god, and that too would be well supported by the observable evidence.

    Or one can believe in universe ruled by the natural law of karma that doesn’t require a creator – that’s the Buddhist view in fact.

    … and so on. Anyhow, Let’s carry on:

    The consequence in not believing in anything higher than the power of men and their institutions has resulted in great horrors throughout recent history.

    Can you demonstrate that horrors of recent history were really greater than horrors of more distant history, once we account for increased population and improved technology?

    I would actually argue that the amount of horror in history remains basically constant, and that’s because the human nature is basically constant. Yes, Soviets, Nazis and all that – but what about all horrors committed in the name of god (Allah, in this case) throughout the history, such as Muslim conquest of India, for example – little known but extremely violent period. How about sack of Constantinople, or cruelty of slavery? Turks in Armenia?

    As for Christian nations, what about the misery Brits inflicted on Indian subcontinent? King Leopold and genocide in Congo? Pre-Nazi Germans in Namibia?

    I would say that belief in “higher power” actually did nothing to temper our worst tendencies. Maybe for some individuals, but not on scale of nations.

    And when we stand before the dread throne of Glory, what will we say when we had more hope in the power of antibacterial wipes than we did in the holiness of icons?

    I think we could argue that antibiotics saved millions, if not billions of lives, while icons did approximately bugger-all for anyone except perhaps for the Church.

    • Agree: animalogic
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    , @DinoN
    , @Anon
  4. meamjojo says:

    I cannot believe that in 2020 there are still people who believe in a god entity!

    If there were such a god thing, do you really think that it would sit back and allow priests in one religious variation to sexually abuse children or allow another to detonate bombs on a regular basis blowing up this god’s people or crippling many for life? Would this god allow so many excess people to be born so that many will be hungry or ill & diseased, condemned to live a life in pain for all their years? Would a caring god allow wars that murder innocent people wantonly, pollute the environment to the determent of all this gods creatures and life, allow natural disasters that kill people, force them out of house and home and destroy their businesses?

    If such a god exists, then it must certainly be a sadist.

    If I actually run into this god at some future point in time, I will be sure to give it a big kick in the shin!

    • Agree: RoatanBill
    • LOL: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Dumbo
  5. Human beings invent gods and construct religions to flatter themselves. No one has yet concocted a belief system in which that rival tribe of smelly barbarians camped down by the river are the chosen ones, tenderly beloved of the only true god(s). Self worship was the foundations of religious faith and self deception permits its continuance.

    An enduring appeal of Christianity is that its doctrines and practices are so contrived as to encourage the faithful to indulge the deadliest of their character defects – cruelty, intolerance, arrogance, among others – while allowing them see themselves as decent, moral human beings as they inflict terrible harm on others.

    We who despise this particular delusion are threatening equally to the deceived as to the deceivers. As Mark Twain observed, it’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

    Science has not “proven” religion false, but it has convincingly demonstrated that the suppositions underlying religious faith are misunderstandings of the natural world and the human place in it. In this generally lousy year there is one cheering statistic, that polls find the religious preference most popular in people under 30 years of age is “none.” Even as fundamentalism is in the ascendant in the three Abrahamic cults, the dark night of faith is passing.

    • Agree: meamjojo
    • LOL: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @animalogic
  6. Dumbo says:
    @meamjojo

    I cannot believe that in 2020 there are still people who believe in a god entity!

    LOL the “current year” argument. As in: “I cannot believe that in 2020 people are against gay marriage / transgeder freaks / etc”

    There should be a name for it. “Argumentum ad annum”?

    The Big Questions are the same ones as before, since Plato and Aristotle. Science won’t give us these answers. For more information on why, read Pascal (who was also a great scientist, by the way).

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  7. conatus says:

    Demonic possession or adept phrasing and persuasion along with sheep-like submission to Authority and creeping conformity.

    Starting with Solomon Asch who demonstrated how conformist people are with his length of lines experiments. As long as the six people in the room agreed, the newest person would conform thirty to forty percent of the time. The newest person would conform in spite of what was in front of their eyes!

    Then Stanley Milgram and his Authority shock experiments. As long as Authority was represented in a white lab coat, the subjects would (in theory) shock to death the screaming subjects in the other room. Two thirds of the people slavishly obeyed Authority.

    Dont forget Edward Bernays from WW1, psychological warfare and convincing American women to smoke and also Germans bayonet babies in their spare time.

    I would maintain we are massaged daily by language detrimental to our own existence. A language that is consistent with the ideas of the three fellows I mentioned.

    • Agree: meamjojo, Adam Smith
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  8. KenR says:

    Well it was the 2008-09 time frame that I personally detected an uptick of demonic activity in the world. (No, I do not mean to imply that Barack Obama is some sort of demon – although he decidedly did not help matters!). And indeed since that time the Catholic Church has reported a marked uptick in the calls for exorcism, for instance. Demonic forces are on the march.

    The experiences of the faithful catalogued here during the calamities of 1917 and following do offer some comfort. Certainly complacency is uncalled for, but nevertheless a measure of comfort is there in the thought that “it could be worse!”

    Encouragement is drawn indeed by taking measures of the positive things in life, as TrueRestoration.org has observed. It’s always good policy to take stock and appreciation of friends, of family, of sacraments. And how excellent is the advice to take our spoon-fed news media sparingly and with a grain of salt! Rather isn’t an appropriate time to “See how the flowers of the field grow” and take stock of the miraculous all about you?

  9. Hibernian says:
    @Dumbo

    The Chronological Argument.

  10. meamjojo says:
    @conatus

    “The newest person would conform in spite of what was in front of their eyes!”

    Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?
    –Groucho Marx

  11. @raga10

    It’s not a good idea to engage with someone who is coming from a Western perspective, from whatever spinoff from Latin “Christianity” with its heresies and militarism, starting from the necessity to “prove” God, when science is at best (scientism with COVID-1984) experiment and observation of things seen. I speak of the unseen: love, compassion, mercy, tenderness, that only hand waving can explain from “the survival of the fittest.”

    All your questions are answered in the Orthodox faith, from Saint Paul to the church fathers.

    The world as you see it now is temporal, separated from God, with “laws of science” a consequence of God’s withdrawal.

    I could provide an excellent summary of the true war–I trust you have no trouble believing in UFO and extraterrestrial life–and you have no idea of the current size and scope of the universe at this moment.

    If you were to open your mind and heart, you could learn; the sources are out there.

    But if your heart is closed, and you lack humility, there is nothing I can do.

    You think this life is the only life, this existence in the temporal, is all that there is. Or perhaps you believe in CIA killing goats by psychic powers, and that’s acceptable “supernatural powers.”

    But God is the God of Eternal memory; it matters how he remembers you. I do not know your heart. God does.

    You can only come to the truth with a loving heart, a spirit of humility, and love for God, and learn that satan implanted the Marvel comic book idea of what gods are; Jesus Christ was meek (polite), loving, and his miracles were not of the thunderbolt but of love.

    So, let others understand and for you are free to reject God, because his demands of you are to not to put yourself first, to love Him and your neighbors–those in need. Being selfless and not selfish.

    So, I wish you well and good luck in the path you’ve chosen. Change is up to you.

  12. raga10 says:
    @Yvonne Lorenzo

    starting from the necessity to “prove” God

    I don’t ask you to prove existence of God and I accept that is not possible. What I am asking is for you to prove your factual assertions about this world with facts, rather than hand-waving. While I thank you for your reply, I notice you chose not to engage with any of my specific points, namely that 1) spirituality is far more complex than the binary choice you propose, 2) belief in higher power did not in fact make the world a better place, nor the lack of of said belief made it worse, and 3) whatever slight improvements in our conditions can be detected, they are due solely to our human agency rather than any interventions higher powers.

    I could provide an excellent summary of the true war

    I have no doubt that you could, but I suspect that would be only testament to your literary ability, not containing much in the way of verifiable information.

    All your questions are answered in the Orthodox faith, from Saint Paul to the church fathers.

    Sadly, none of my questions were answered by any of the Abrahamic religions, which is why I rejected them. The only religion that made any kind of sense to me is Budddism, actually. But I consider it, in its pure form at least, more a philosophy than religion.

    You think this life is the only life, this existence in the temporal, is all that there is. Or perhaps you believe in CIA killing goats by psychic powers, and that’s acceptable “supernatural powers.”

    As someone once said, “I’m on the diet so please don’t put words into my mouth!” With all due respect you have no idea what I think, only what I chose to write here. So kindly stick to that and refrain from extrapolation.

  13. @Yvonne Lorenzo

    But if your heart is closed, and you lack humility, there is nothing I can do.

    Indeed.

    Andrew Murray’s Humility: The Beauty of Holiness, which is more relevant today than at any time since he penned it over 100 years ago, finished with these words:

    I will here give you an infallible touchstone, that will try all to the truth. It is this: retire from the world and all conversation, only for one month; neither write, nor read, nor debate anything with yourself; stop all the former workings of your heart and mind: and, with all the strength of your heart, stand all this month, as continually as you can, in the following form of prayer to God. Offer it frequently on your knees; but whether sitting, walking, or standing, be always inwardly longing, and earnestly praying this one prayer to God: ‘That of His great goodness He would make known to you, and take from your heart, every kind and form and degree of Pride, whether it be from evil spirits, or your own corrupt nature; and that He would awaken in you the deepest depth and truth of that Humility, which can make you capable of His light and Holy Spirit.’ Reject every thought, but that of waiting and praying in this matter from the bottom of your heart, with such truth and earnestness, as people in torment wish to pray and be delivered from it. …If you can and will give yourself up in truth and sincerity to this spirit of prayer, I will venture to affirm that, if you had twice as many evil spirits in you as Mary Magdalene had, they will all be cast out of you, and you will be forced with her to weep tears of love at the feet of the holy Jesus.

    We should all pray daily for God to make pride known to us, to take it from our hearts, and replace it with humility. For until we do, as you correctly say, there is nothing anyone can do for us.

  14. @raga10

    The only religion that made any kind of sense to me is Budddism, actually. But I consider it, in its pure form at least, more a philosophy than religion.

    Buddhism is essentially nothing but philosophy, draped like a blanket over hundreds, or thousands, of local pagan cults. It’s as if each Greek island with its own gods had elevated Plato or Aristotle to the top spot.

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  15. raga10 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Feel free to expand on that thought – at this point I’m not sure if you are deeply profound or completely off the mark 🙂

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  16. Get Job. Open to 1 and there it reads “From walking up and down the earth and all that is in it.” and this person is the adversary—if you re-ararnge the letters for Santa you get the entity.

  17. The exact middle of the Bible, one might say its “heart,” depends on whether you count by books, verses, words or even letters. One system puts its center at Psalms 118:8 —

    It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

    That’s always been my favorite verse. It distills the whole thing down to 14 words. It truly is the heart of the Bible, of religion, and of life itself.

  18. antisemit says: • Website

    there is no crisis because there are no unusual death tolls . earth ball is rolling on as usual
    and nature prospering like before . only human brain is crazy as it happened already in
    katholic-protestant medival times, in communist russia + nazigermany + jewish takeover
    of USA + BRITAIN . nothing news under the CHEMTRAILS !

  19. @raga10

    Sadly, none of my questions were answered by any of the Abrahamic religions, which is why I rejected them. The only religion that made any kind of sense to me is Buddhism, actually. But I consider it, in its pure form at least, more a philosophy than religion.

    So are you Jewish? If not, what Christian texts have you read? How do you read.

    If you are clearly a seeker of the truth, read these books and then reply; if your heart is so hard that you do not truly ask God to help you to understand, nothing will help. You are fixed on this world, which if you truly read true Christian doctrine, you would understand that all that is important and truly needed comes from God; life here is temporary; this you would agree with.

    If you want to understand Scripture, start with this book. It will tell you how to read.

    https://www.sainthermanmonastery.com/Theophylact-on-the-Gospel-of-Mark-p/mark.htm

    And this simple short book:

    https://www.sainthermanmonastery.com/God-s-Revelation-to-the-Human-Heart-p/grhh.htm

    And this, on our times now and what Buddhism is:

    https://www.sainthermanmonastery.com/product-p/orf.htm

    And on the conversion of a great sinner, and his transformation into a better human being, who realized the way of the world is wrong and self destructive:

    https://www.rooshv.com/how-i-turned-to-god

    https://www.rooshv.com/nihilists-are-spiritually-dead

    https://www.rooshv.com/the-world-of-newton-vs-the-world-of-god

    https://www.rooshv.com/learning-to-love-god

    If you read these and nothing moves your heart and soul, what more can be done? Live and die with your choices. Then you will find out what the truth is.

    Pray for humility and understanding. Saving lives through faith in medicine is not nearly as important as fulfilling the purpose God intended for us. Everyone saved by antibiotics will die at some time in the future. America was prosperous once now but at what price and is mostly godless, and even more godless now. Feel free to comment after you read the books. I think no further communication otherwise is fruitful; your perspective is alien to me now, but when I was younger, perhaps I felt as you did, but never was an atheist.

    If you change or can change, you may. I can do nothing more for you.

  20. @raga10

    Buddha never claimed divinity. Buddhism, as with other philosophical schools, says little or nothing about creation or deities or afterlife, other than the general Eastern assumption of multiple lives. (West of the Indus, almost everyone assumes it’s one-and-done.)

    Confucianism and Taoism are much the same. That’s why they can overlap with each other and with all sorts of local pagan cults. As well as with secular modernity.

    Existentialism was invented by a pious Lutheran pastor and sold to the world by an atheist communist. So it’s a Western example of this.

    • Replies: @raga10
  21. raga10 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Fair enough; Buddha certainly was rather evasive on topics that tend to occupy our Western minds, shaped largely by Christian theology. He claimed that he wanted to concentrate on issues directly relevant to resolution of suffering, considering anything else a distraction. But another, down to Earth explanation could well be that at the time he was alive (and there is some uncertainty about when that was, with a window of almost 300 years) the concept of monotheism was not yet fully developed, or at least didn’t reach India yet…

    And yes, Buddhism adapted to local conditions as it went along. Especially in Tibet, they’ve really been busy there… But that’s not that unusual for religions – even Christianity did the same thing, incorporating some pagan traditions and even developing some rather strange practices along the way. Take Poland, for example – strongly Catholic country but devotion to Virgin Mary is so widely spread there, she is practically a god-like figure. So much for monotheism 🙂

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  22. Hibernian says:
    @raga10

    …but devotion to Virgin Mary is so widely spread there, she is practically a god-like figure.

    We don’t worship saints, we ask them to pray to the Lord for us. Mary is the greatest of the saints. You are repeating 500 year old Protestant propaganda.

    • Replies: @raga10
  23. raga10 says:
    @Hibernian

    Well, maybe Protestants were onto something? Also notice I didn’t say “worship” – I said “devotion”, and I did that on purpose because that is the actual term that Catholic Church uses.

    All the same, the idea that the all-knowing, all-mighty God will not notice your prayers until Mary gives him a kick in the shin… well, it just doesn’t seem supported by any Biblical text to me.

    This whole idea of Saints interceding on our behalf is clearly a response to our very human need. Monotheist God is just not sufficiently relatable for us humans, and we need something to relate to… but Virgin Mary granting us favours is exactly the same as some spirit residing in a local tree doing the same thing for pagans of old.

  24. DinoN says:
    @raga10

    What about the Horrors of the United States of America? Christians of course!

  25. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @raga10

    Hi,

    I noticed you asked some legitimate questions in a correct manner, and got prevarication in return,
    coupled with a rating of the hardness of your heart and soul and, perhaps the icing on the cake,
    one “I can do nothing more for you”. I am a servant of Christ and I am sorry for that.
    I also won’t tell you that certain denominations aren’t Christians, or are “Christians”.
    There are Christians and “Christians” at all times and in all areas of the world and denominations,
    quite positively, since being Christians means following, and imitating to the best of our
    God-assisted abilities, Christ Himself.

    He told us to love each other like He loves us, and added that by that people will recognize
    His disciples.
    Not only we can “engage” with everyone. We also can, and will (to our best ability) love everyone.

    You have an intellectual, rational approach to matters of religion, and that’s the right one for a non-believer.
    Faith is not religion nor belief. Faith is received knowledge. One day, if your desire is true enough, He lets you see Him. And from that day
    when your reasoning doesn’t match with the notion of God, you know your reasoning is flawed or
    limited, because God is the fact among all facts and not a notion.

    This doesn’t mean of course that all teachings of the Church are right, as they have been formed
    by earth-sourced, and earth-orientated, forces, at least in part.
    But the essence is true, and is the ultimate answer to all questions: that He is.

    The subject of the Virgin Mother’s prayers to the Son bettering our standing in His judgment
    is more complex than you, and people with no faith, believe.
    Certainly, the answer given by popular Christianity to it isn’t easy to feel comfortable with, I
    can see that. It’s also certain that many united in prayer help getting God’s agreement to a wish or hope.

    If you want to experience Christianity, it’s not about theory. Locate a monastery, and ask to spend
    some days with them. If you find a right one, you will see. And after seeing, you will be freed from
    querying. Thomas Merton’s books are also a good starting point, particularly for the English-speaking.
    But nothing can be compared with first-person experience.

    After all, all our queries aren’t but one: we will realize it no sooner than when we get the
    one answer to everything, though.

    Best

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  26. raga10 says:
    @Anon

    Thank you for your reply – you seem like a reasonable person and I hope my saying that doesn’t offend you 🙂

    If you want to experience Christianity, it’s not about theory. Locate a monastery, and ask to spend some days with them.

    I think I know what you’re saying; I actually spent some time in a Buddhist monastery in Thailand, and I was indeed remarkably content there.

    But theory does matter to some degree. For me the appeal of Buddhism is in that rather than saying, “you must accept what we say on faith” it said “examine the evidence – if what you see agrees with what we say, then accept it”. I found it much more in agreement with how my mind works.

    I would propose a binary choice of my own: “there are two kinds of people in the world: those who respond to worship and ritual, and those who don’t”.
    I’m the latter: I don’t have a worshipful bone in my body and I know that, so I work with that.

  27. @Observator

    There is a God. There is no God. Neither are relevant b/c neither are open to debate — both are matters of “belief”.
    Discern what is a “moral life”, do your best to live it. If “God” doesn’t like it, how’s that your fault — if you did the best you could?

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