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Carol Delaney, Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem, Free Press, 2012, 319 pp. $17.00 (softcover)

What sort of man was Christopher Columbus? Why did he cross the Atlantic and what did he do in the New World? The fashion is to despise him as a greedy, genocidal racist and slave driver, but Prof. Carol Delaney of Brown University refutes these charges. His motives were almost entirely — even fanatically — Christian, and he was kind to Indians. She is mystified by the evil reputation he has acquired.

As Prof. Delaney explains, it is impossible to understand Columbus without understanding what committed Catholics thought in the 15th century. Most believed Christianity was the one true faith and that unbelievers went to hell. Evangelism was a duty. Many Christians were millenarians and believed that the End Times and the return of Christ — as described in Revelation — were coming soon. A series of catastrophes intensified this belief and prompted Christians to action.

According to Revelation, Christ could not return until Jerusalem was in Christian hands. The Crusader conquest of the Holy Land in 1099 was a gigantic step forward, but its loss to Saladin in 1187 shocked all Christendom. Then in 1347, the Black Plague killed an estimated 25 million Europeans and up to three-quarters of the people in parts of Italy and Spain. Another sign of the coming End Times was the Great Schism of 1378 to 1417, during which there were two competing Popes, but even worse was the fall of the Constantinople — the Eastern capital of Christianity — to the Turks in 1453. That year, Columbus was two years old; he grew up at a time when Catholics were desperately trying to understand how God could have permitted these horrors — loss of Jerusalem, plague, schism, fall of Constantinople — and were determined to win back lost ground. Columbus’ most fervent wish his entire life was to recapture the holy city of Jerusalem.

Prof. Delaney explains that Columbus was convinced he could help retake the Holy Land by sailing to China across the Atlantic. First, he would bring back gold, which was supposed to be plentiful in China, and this would finance a new crusade. Second, he could avoid the Silk Road land route to China, which was blocked after the fall of Constantinople. Third, he would meet the Chinese ruler, the Great Khan, convert him to Christianity, and persuade the Christian Chinese to attack from the East and help liberate Jerusalem. Fantastic as it now sounds, the idea of enlisting the Chinese to help bring on the Second Coming dated back to the time of Marco Polo and the publication of his Travels in 1300. Columbus owned a copy of the Travels and made many notes in the margins.

It was unusual for lay people to read the Bible, but Columbus read it diligently. His contemporaries wrote of his passionate Christianity, and he was strongly influenced by the Franciscans, who thought Christians should not wait passively for the End Times but work to bring them on. Columbus also took very seriously the duty to convert heathen peoples and save their souls.

Before the voyage

Columbus was an Italian who grew up in Genoa. He was nine years old when ships sailed from Genoa on a failed crusade, a sight that must have made a deep impression. When he was 14, he was apprenticed to the sea, and he got his first taste of the Atlantic on a voyage to England in 1476 when he was 25. In 1481 or ’82, he sailed to what is now Ghana, and stopped in the Canary Islands. He was a gifted navigator, with a widely admired talent for dead reckoning (navigation without instruments).

Columbus didn’t care which Christian sovereign financed his voyage to China. He met with King João II of Portugal, but the Portuguese were exploring the route around Africa, and were not interested. Columbus approached the British and the French, but it was the Spanish under Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand who showed the most interest. Still, it took 13 years from Columbus’ first audience with the queen until his first voyage in 1492. She put him off until the Moors were finally driven out of Spain, but even after the Reconquista, she hesitated. Ferdinand always doubted Columbus, and Isabella’s advisors tried to dissuade her, but she finally agreed to pay for three small ships and a crew of 90.

Shmuel Thaler/Sentinel, a replica of the Nina that crossed the Atlantic in 1492 with Christopher Columbus. (Credit: ©/Santa Cruz Sentinal/ZUMA Press)
Shmuel Thaler/Sentinel, a replica of the Nina that crossed the Atlantic in 1492 with Christopher Columbus. (Credit: ©/Santa Cruz Sentinal/ZUMA Press)

Discovery

Columbus kept a detailed diary of which only abridged versions survive, but they still tell us a great deal. After 31 days of sailing, so many of the crew insisted on turning back that Columbus promised that if they didn’t sight land in three days, he would give up and return to Spain. Two days later, the ships made landfall on what is now Watling Island in the Bahamas. There, Columbus found naked people, whom he thought handsome and intelligent. He gave them trade trinkets “in which they took so much pleasure and became so much our friends that it was a marvel.” Columbus believed he was in the Indies, so he called the Arawaks Indios, or Indians.

The Arawaks did not appear to have any kind of religion, and since they would not have to unlearn a pagan faith, Columbus thought they could be easily converted to Christianity. He wrote to his patrons: “They should be treated courteously because they are the best and most gentle people in the world, and especially, because I have much hope in Our Lord that Your Highnesses will make all of them Christian.”

Columbus had much more trouble with his own men. As the ships sailed from island to island, the natives were always gentle, but some ran away, and Columbus had to restrain his men from looting. In his diary, he wrote of his dissatisfaction with his men, especially compared to the natives: “I believe that in the world there are no better people or a better land. They love their neighbors as themselves, and they have the sweetest speech in the world and they are gentle and always laughing.” Columbus was entranced by the beauty of the islands, the vegetation, the birds and fishes. The natives slept in hammocks, which were then unknown in Europe, and soon all European sailors were sleeping in hammocks rather than on deck.

“First Tribute to Christopher Columbus” José Garnelo, 1892. Credit: Album / Oronoz
“First Tribute to Christopher Columbus” José Garnelo, 1892. Credit: Album / Oronoz

One of his captains, Martin Pinzon, disappeared for six weeks, looking for gold. When he rejoined the fleet, Columbus learned his crew had captured men and women; he ordered them freed and returned. Columbus kept hoping to find someone who could lead him to the Great Khan so he could present letters of greeting from Ferdinand and Isabella and teach him Christianity. Columbus persuaded six Arawaks to go back to Spain with him; they would prove he had reached India, and he wanted them to learn Spanish and Christianity so they could come back as missionaries.

The Santa Maria grounded and was wrecked on Christmas day. The crew set up a camp called Navidad, and Columbus left behind 40 men with instructions to be kind to the Indians. On the way back, the ships stopped at what is now the Dominican Republic and found a war-like tribe, very different from the Arawaks. In their first skirmish with Indians, his crew wounded several men with swords and crossbows. The Arawaks told Columbus these “Caribs” were cannibals and took slaves.

Columbus’ ships sailed back across the Atlantic and limped into port seven months and 11 days after they had initially set out. Columbus was a hero, and proudly presented his Indians to the queen, along with several gold pieces he had found. He promised her as many slaves as she might want, but only from among the man-eating Caribs. This was in accordance with Papal rules that permitted slavery only of savages who resisted Christianity and practiced vile habits such as sodomy or cannibalism. Isabella never had much interest in slaves; she wanted Indians converted where they were.

The queen financed a much larger second voyage: 17 ships and 1,200 men. They were to build a trading station for business with the Chinese, and Columbus was to receive one tenth of the profits. The queen commanded the settlers to treat the Indians “very well and lovingly.”

When the fleet returned to Navidad, Columbus found everyone dead. Friendly Indians told him the men had defied his orders and gone raping and looting. This angered a neighboring chief who attacked and slaughtered them. Columbus, who had had only good relations with these Indians, believed this account, well aware that the Spaniards could have deserved what they got, but many of the newcomers mistrusted the Indians and wanted revenge. Columbus managed to restrain them, and the fleet found a different site on Hispaniola for a new settlement.

Failure

Columbus was a genius at sea, but Prof. Delaney writes that he was a bad administrator. He thought men of different classes could work well together, but the high-ranking hidalgos who had come on the voyage refused to work and expected easy riches. They would not farm, would not eat the local food — which Columbus and others enjoyed — and wrote letters back to Spain complaining about Columbus. When Columbus went on further voyages of discovery looking for gold and the Khan, men he left behind went into the interior to rape and plunder.

Columbus put his brother Bartholomew in charge of the settlement and went back to Spain. He arrived dressed in the coarse, brown habit of a Franciscan, which he wore for the rest of his life. Prof. Delaney suspects this was a reaction to the greed and cruelty of the Spanish. Columbus thought the settlers were bad missionaries. When he saw the queen, he asked for better friars than the ones she had sent on the second voyage. They thought baptism was enough to turn anyone Christian, but Columbus thought Indians should get careful instruction in the faith. For the rest of his life, he stressed the importance of missionaries who could speak Indian languages.

Columbus was in Spain for two years between his second and third voyages, and this time set out with just 330 people, of which 30 were women. Prof. Delaney says it is not clear whether they were wives, servants, or prostitutes who were supposed to keep the Spaniards from raping Indians. When Columbus got back to the settlement, he found that dissidents had up risen up against Bartholomew’s strict government. Columbus did his best to end what was a low-level civil war and restore order. He was furious at continuing reports of Spaniards who had mistreated Indians, and hanged the worst offenders. He never permitted enslavement of Indians but, under pressure, he imposed a tax on Indians to be paid in crops or in gold.

Some hidalgos defied Columbus’ authority, so he wrote to the queen, asking her to send an arbitrator to back up his authority. Prof. Delaney writes that it is now known why Isabella chose Francisco de Bobadilla, whose mind was already poisoned against Columbus by men who had returned to Spain. He sided with the insurgents and sent Columbus back to Spain in chains. The settlers far preferred Bobadilla, who let them exploit and even murder Indians. Isabella freed Columbus after his return, but he kept the chains for the rest of his life as a reminder of his humiliation.

Christopher Columbus chained on his ship, pl. 33, after p. 474 (vol. 2), Credit: Album / quintlox
Christopher Columbus chained on his ship, pl. 33, after p. 474 (vol. 2), Credit: Album / quintlox

While in Spain, Columbus wrote what is called the Book of Prophecies, a long theological justification of his life and travels. He saw his discoveries as an important part of a great cosmological drama that was to culminate in the End Times. The book quotes scripture to claim that his voyages were divinely inspired and fulfilled Biblical prophecy. It explains why he was so conscious of the meaning of his first name, Christopher, which means the Christ-bearer. He believed he was carrying Christ to the East.

Prof. Delaney notes that most Columbus scholars are shocked by the Book of Prophecies and try to ignore it. Whatever they think of him, they don’t like to think he was a religious nut, and the book was not translated into English until 1992. It is, however, a clear statement of his motives.

Columbus set out on his last voyage in 1502. He had orders only to explore; the colonies had several thousand inhabitants, and the queen took administration out of his hands. He made more discoveries, especially in Central America, but suffered a series of mishaps that included a shipwreck that left him marooned on Jamaica for a year and five days.

Shortly after his return to Spain, Isabella died. Ferdinand never had much faith in Columbus and financed no more voyages. Columbus did not live in poverty or obscurity but never regained anything like the glory he won after his first voyage.

“The last moments of Christopher Columbus” by Claude Jacquand. Credit: Album / Fine Art Images
“The last moments of Christopher Columbus” by Claude Jacquand. Credit: Album / Fine Art Images

Prof. Delaney is baffled by Columbus’ bad reputation. She notes that, by contrast, Bartolomé de Las Casas — who knew and admired Columbus — is now considered a hero because he defended the rights of Indians at the Valladolid debate of 1550–1551. Las Casas insisted that Indians be recognized as free men with the same rights as Spaniards. Prof. Delaney writes: “Las Casas is remembered only for his defense of the Indian; what is forgotten is that he owned slaves and endorsed and operated encomiendas [plantations on which Indians were serfs] while Columbus, who never owned slaves, is reviled and blamed for everything that went wrong in the Indies.”

Academics may consider Las Casas a humanitarian, but the people now pulling down statues of Columbus have probably never heard of him. Nor would they care if someone told them Columbus was kind to Indians and hanged Spaniards who mistreated them. Columbus’ crime is to have come here; he brought white people to the New World. He used to be honored for this, but today, that makes him a villain.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Biff says:

    Imagine all the ‘hearsay’ even before the body went cold – then twenty years later – then a hundred years – then half a millennium. Then compare that with how terribly idealistic historians get WWll wrong at times, and suddenly the bullshit meter goes into the red zone. I’ve heard so many different versions of who Columbus is to the point that he makes Sybil look well adjusted.

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  2. gay troll says:

    Jesus called himself the Morning Star, which is a term for the planet Venus. Likewise the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl was associated with the Morning Star. Quetzalcoatl was supposed to return to Earth some day, and when Cortez came ashore in his shining armor, the natives mistook him for their god. Quetzalcoatl was depicted on a cross, and according to DM Murdock Catholicism was easily substituted for the Aztec religion because they were structurally and theologically very similar.

    Namaste and Hail Lucifer

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  3. Ah, the black Iberian myth returns. Columbus was just a good Genoese boy trying to rub two cruzados together, though!

    Funny part is, many of those blasted Hildagos who Columbus took along more than likely knew what his grift was, and that they were nowhere near the spice islands or China as soon as they landed. The Portuguese were already around the Cape at that point, and had raided into Mozambique leaving a trail of fortresses all along the way. The last foray before da Gama’s voyage hauled back several Dot Indians and Swahili traders that Columbus’s Captains, the Pinzon brothers, were specifically tasked to report on as courtier-spies by Isabella. I suspect that our hildago friends could sus out rather quickly that no one on those islands could speak a word of Arabic, the the trading language of the time. Worth noting that Columbus brought over two Salamanca-educated Arabic speakers and a Cretan Mizrahi Jew just in case.

    I don’t blame the Hildagos for turning Columbus’s shekel gathering expedition into a conquering spree. The land was virgin, the women beautiful, the climate idyllic. Those Spaniards were real men. Warriors like Cortes and Pizzarro shaped America. Columbus just found it, and even then got cucked by Msr. Vespucci.

    As an aside, my ritzy public university celebrates Columbus Day. It does so with a host of academic conferences, but that’s one more free lunch than I got while lecturing in the USA. The Chinese are quite honored that the Iberians and Northern Italians moved heaven and earth to try to find them. Today I am attending a socially distant conference about how Columbus paved the way for what the Chinese are calling the “2nd Chinese Millennia” — i.e. 2000-3000AD. The first being the Tang Dynasty of the 1st millennia.

    I suspect my university will be celebrating it long after America does.

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  4. vot tak says:

    “they don’t like to think he was a religious nut,”

    Well, religious nut is a soft soaping of the term fanatic. And fanatics, especially crusading catholics, are not the kind gentle creatures the author of this article would have people believe.

    Why Columbus Day Courts Controversy

    https://www.history.com/news/columbus-day-controversy

    “In an era in which the international slave trade was starting to grow, Columbus and his men enslaved many native inhabitants of the West Indies and subjected them to extreme violence and brutality. On his famous first voyage in 1492, Columbus landed on an unknown Caribbean island after an arduous three-month journey.

    On his first day in the New World, he ordered six of the natives to be seized, writing in his journal that he believed they would be good servants. Throughout his years in the New World, Columbus enacted policies of forced labor in which natives were put to work for the sake of profits. Later, Columbus sent thousands of peaceful Taino “Indians” from the island of Hispaniola to Spain to be sold. Many died en route.

    Those left behind were forced to search for gold in mines and work on plantations. Within 60 years after Columbus landed, only a few hundred of what may have been 250,000 Taino were left on their island.

    As governor and viceroy of the Indies, Columbus imposed iron discipline on what is now the Caribbean country of Dominican Republic, according to documents discovered by Spanish historians in 2005. In response to native unrest and revolt, Columbus ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed; in an attempt to deter further rebellion, Columbus ordered their dismembered bodies to be paraded through the streets.”

    Nice guy. Really gentle guy, eh.

  5. As we “celebrate” America’s oddest holiday, most Americans now know that Columbus (actually Colombo) did not discover America, but arrived to steal what he could. Asians discovered America when they migrated across the Bering Sea. More recent evidence proved that some Polynesians sailed across the Pacific and settled in Chile. Vikings had several settlements, one as far south as Maine. Some “pure” blond Canadian Intuits (aka Eskimos) were tested and found to have European DNA.

    The great book “Lies my Teacher Told Me,” notes that Columbus’ diary records that when they reached Haiti, he found the Arawaks (local natives) in possession of some spear points made of “guanine.” The Indians said they got them from black traders who had come from the south and east. Guanine proved to be an alloy of gold, silver, and copper, identical to the gold alloy preferred by West Africans, who also called it guanine. Given that West Africa is half the distance to the Caribbean compared to Europe, this is not surprising.

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  6. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Jared Taylor sucks up to Jews and therefore disgraces himself.

    I honestly don’t know which is more pathetic: Jared *honestly* supports the Jews in which case he’s a moron or Jared *chooses* to suck up to Jews for self-preservation, which is sad because jews ban him from the mainstream anyway.

    Sad. All-around. It’s just sad.

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  7. @gay troll

    That’s the Christ Myth Theory which doesn’t have much support.

    Per the HistoryforAtheists blog:

    … come directly from the – ahem – “research” of the notorious New Age nutcase who called herself “Acharya S”. This loon, whose real name was D.M. Murdock, wrote a series of books repeating the idea that Christianity was derived entirely from earlier pagan religions based on astrological themes. Her work is a case study in bad New Age nonsense, with tenuous or even totally non-existent parallels presented as evidence of derivation, and footnotes to everything from online undergraduate essays to nineteenth century Theosophy texts based on “visions” as the supposed substantiation for her claims.

    Brutal stuff. But, a lot of sincere atheists are calling out this view as fake.

    https://historyforatheists.com/2016/12/the-great-myths-2-christmas-mithras-and-paganism/

  8. anon[796] • Disclaimer says:

    If Columbus discovered America why are their Norse genes in certain Micmac tribes of Maine? Why are a small number of Icelandic people descended from a Beothuk Indian woman who accompanied the Vikings to Iceland?

    There is even proof that Vikings sailed as far South as Brazil.

    Certainly Vikings were in Northern Maine. Maybe as far South as Deleware.

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  9. vot tak says:

    “He never permitted enslavement of Indians but, under pressure, he imposed a tax on Indians to be paid in crops or in gold.

    Some hidalgos defied Columbus’ authority, so he wrote to the queen, asking her to send an arbitrator to back up his authority. Prof. Delaney writes that it is now known why Isabella chose Francisco de Bobadilla, whose mind was already poisoned against Columbus by men who had returned to Spain. He sided with the insurgents and sent Columbus back to Spain in chains. The settlers far preferred Bobadilla, who let them exploit and even murder Indians.”

    Or

    Columbus’ Confusion About the New World

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/columbus-confusion-about-the-new-world-140132422/

    [MORE]

    “At Española the new settlers built forts and towns and began helping themselves to all the gold they could find among the natives. These creatures of the golden age remained generous. But precisely because they did not value possessions, they had little to turn over. When gold was not forthcoming, the Europeans began killing. Some of the natives struck back and hid out in the hills. But in 1495 a punitive expedition rounded up 1,500 of them, and 500 were shipped off to the slave markets of Seville.

    The natives, seeing what was in store for them, dug up their own crops of cassava and destroyed their supplies in hopes that the resulting famine would drive the Spaniards out. But it did not work. The Spaniards were sure there was more gold in the island than the natives had yet found, and were determined to make them dig it out. Columbus built more forts throughout the island and decreed that every Arawak of 14 years or over was to furnish a hawk’s bell full of gold dust every three months. The various local leaders were made responsible for seeing that the tribute was paid. In regions where gold was not to be had, 25 pounds of woven or spun cotton could be substituted for the hawk’s bell of gold dust.

    Unfortunately Española was not Ophir, and it did not have anything like the amount of gold that Columbus thought it did. The pieces that the natives had at first presented him were the accumulation of many years. To fill their quotas by washing in the riverbeds was all but impossible, even with continual daily labor. But the demand was unrelenting, and those who sought to escape it by fleeing to the mountains were hunted down with dogs taught to kill. A few years later Peter Martyr was able to report that the natives “beare this yoke of servitude with an evill will, but yet they beare it.”

    The tribute system, for all its injustice and cruelty, preserved something of the Arawaks’ old social arrangements: they retained their old leaders under control of the king’s viceroy, and royal directions to the viceroy might ultimately have worked some mitigation of their hardships. But the Spanish settlers of Española did not care for this centralized method of exploitation. They wanted a share of the land and its people, and when their demands were not met they revolted against the government of Columbus. In 1499 they forced him to abandon the system of obtaining tribute through the Arawak chieftains for a new one in which both land and people were turned over to individual Spaniards for exploitation as they saw fit. This was the beginning of the system of repartimientos or encomiendas later extended to other areas of Spanish occupation. With its inauguration, Columbus’ economic control of Española effectively ceased, and even his political authority was revoked later in the same year when the king appointed a new governor.

    For the Arawaks the new system of forced labor meant that they did more work, wore more clothes and said more prayers. Peter Martyr could rejoice that “so many thousands of men are received to bee the sheepe of Christes flocke.” But these were sheep prepared for slaughter. If we may believe Bartolomé de Las Casas, a Dominican priest who spent many years among them, they were tortured, burned and fed to the dogs by their masters. They died from overwork and from new European diseases. They killed themselves. And they took pains to avoid having children. Life was not fit to live, and they stopped living. From a population of 100,000 at the lowest estimate in 1492, there remained in 1514 about 32,000 Arawaks in Española. By 1542, according to Las Casas, only 200 were left. In their place had appeared slaves imported from Africa. The people of the golden age had been virtually exterminated.”

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  10. meamjojo says:

    “As the ships sailed from island to island, the natives were always gentle, but some ran away, and Columbus had to restrain his men from looting. In his diary, he wrote of his dissatisfaction with his men, especially compared to the natives:”

    Perhaps this is when Columbus should have realized that Catholics were nothing but barbarians at heart and should have switched religions?

    Anyway, this version of the Columbus history make shim look like quite the wonderful guy. Do we have anyone to second the tale?

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  11. Franz says:

    “Prof. Delaney notes that most Columbus scholars are shocked by the Book of Prophecies and try to ignore it?.”

    Then they aren’t “Columbus scholars,” they’re only well-read cranks.

    If they ignore what their prime subject wrote centuries ago, what in God’s name are they wasting their time on? And why is anyone taking their word on anything?

    Just curiously, this also means Ridley Scott’s movie about Columbus, back in the 90s, had plenty of real history in it. Does this mean a guy that makes flicks actually has more honor than “scholars”?

    The custodians of our culture have always been buzzards. Now history too.

    • Agree: ivan
  12. There is an enormous amount of historical revisionism being published about Christopher Columbus, with so many contradictory “facts’, fake diaries (à la Hitler) and so much more, that the history of this man has become amazingly difficult document with certainty. However, to promote the man’s “kindness and humanity” as well as his “Christianity” is preposterous.

    Columbus, whose real name was Cristóbal Colón, was a Jewish slave trader financed by wealthy Jewish businessmen (and not by Queen Isabella), whose discovery of the new world set in motion a program of genocide that covered all the Americas, exterminating more than 125 million people including the entire Maya, Inca and Aztec civilisations, as well as the Carib Indians and 98% of American aboriginal peoples. Even the Jewish Virtual Library admits Colon was a Marrano Jew. (1)

    (1) https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/christopher-columbus

    Listen to Howard Zinn:

    ” . . almost immediately upon arriving in the new world, “Columbus and his men went on a great slave raid, rounded up fifteen hundred Arawak men, women, and children, put them in pens guarded by Spaniards and dogs, then picked the five hundred best specimens to load onto ships. Of those five hundred, two hundred died en route. The rest arrived alive in Spain and were put up for sale (as slaves) . . .”

    Zinn should also have mentioned that one of Columbus’ first activities was the establishment of brothels in which he prostituted large numbers of of pre-pubescent native girls.

    Las Casas, the distinguished Spanish priest and historian, documented numerous accounts of the atrocities and horrors perpetrated by the new American colonialists against the peaceful and compassionate indigenous natives, including hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog food. He wrote this in the early 1500s, almong the first days of the European settlers in the New World:

    “The Christians executed massacres and the most evil cruelties among the Native Americans. They spared neither children nor the elderly, nor pregnant women nor those in child labor, as if they were slaughtering dumb animals. They made bets as to who could slit a man in two or cut off his head or spill out his entrails with one wave of his sword. They laughed as they tore babes from their mothers and dashed their heads against the rocks. They burned the Indians alive, roasting them over a slow fire. They cut off peoples’ hands and hung them around the victim’s neck.”

  13. Ghali says:

    Unlike James Cook, Columbus was an intelligent decent man. Cook, the savage British invader is revered for his savagery by most White British and Australians. Cook’s (and other colonialists) statues are glorified around Australia because of the links between colonialism and racism in White Australia’s mythology.

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  14. Glad that some are putting in an effort to restore Columbus’ reputation as it is being unjustly demolished by uncultured, illiterate zealots. Yet I suspect that all those thugs and stormtroopers of Antifa, SJW and BLM won’t give a hoot about the historical correctness of their petty opinions and lowly impulses.

    Nor do I understand why it is necessary to devote so much space to repainting Columbus’ story with such a large brush.

    Some of the details given here need correction. The encomienda system cannot be qualified as slavery: when Spanish expedition members were allotted “Indians” to work for them as a kind of taxation, this is best compared to the continental European corvée-system that required peasants to do repair work on local roads and bridges. The very distance from the centers of power in Spain is largely responsible for the frequent abuse to which the encomienda gave rise.

    Samuel Elliot Morrison has demonstrated that Columbus was keeping two sets of navigation records: one for himself (the real itinerary) and one to show the crew, as “proof” they were still close to European shores.

    As for the confident chronological sketch at the beginning, wouldn’t that be a bit too precarious after the publication on this site of the series by the First Millennium Revisionist?

  15. What Sort of Man Was Columbus?

    Columbus was a pious criminal, of the sort that all three western religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam have produced in abundance. He was deeply religious, yes, but at the same time motivated by greed and ambition, which led him to commit or allowed to be committed, crimes of robbery, mutilation, murder, rape and slavery. Not exactly a person to be proud of in the history of “the West”.

    Here is a video with some more information about this rogue :

  16. Dumbo says:

    Whatever he was, or wasn’t, it really doesn’t seem to matter so much, the hate is because he was European, and he brought Europeans to a non-white land. So non-whites hate him just for that.

    Strangely enough, if it wasn’t for Columbus and the colonizers, there wouldn’t be Whites, but there wouldn’t be any Africans in America either. The whole continent would remain Amerindian.

    So I don’t see what’s the beef of Africans with Columbus and the Spanish conquerors, they should thank them that they were brought from Africa.

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    , @Majority of One
  17. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:

    This story sounds more like the tale of a pious saintly Columbus that the nuns at my Catholic school told back in the early 1950’s. But then they idealized virtually every historical figure who was Catholic and every Christian who fought a world full of heathens, especially those vile Mohammedans. Lincoln was another fav because they fervently believed he was martyred for ending slavery. I swear, Al Smith was number one in their book because he was, up until JFK, the only RC to ever be nominated to run for the American presidency on a major party ticket. Both virtual “saints,” don’t cha know. I’m sure Sleepy Joe would be an heroic figure to them today. Those nuns used to “buy pagan babies” with cancelled postage stamps, which we were asked to collect for them, to ensure that the little savages were baptized in the one true faith. Don’t ask me what the logistics of that were like. History, certainly as told in the USA, is highly pliable.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Fr. John
  18. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Supply and Demand

    “likely knew what his grift was”
    Columbus led three ships across an ocean that had seemingly never been crossed there before.

  19. Fr. John says:
    @gay troll

    May you meet Him, speedily. Anathema.

    • Agree: Z-man, GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @gay troll
  20. Fr. John says:
    @anon

    A833- you learned nothing of your education, I see. Cynicism is a poor trade for a child-like faith.
    Or is what you are exhibiting the sin of Acedia? https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/10/10/contentment-with-mediocrity-is-a-hallmark-of-acedia/

    And I’m not even a Roman cleric.

    • Thanks: utu
  21. Fr. John says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Whoo- Damn big LOG you have in YOUR eye, Schlomo.

  22. She is mystified by the evil reputation he has acquired.

    Odds are she isn’t mystified but knows better than to openly (((notice.)))

  23. polistra says: • Website

    The plain fact is that Columbus is irrelevant. He didn’t do what either side claims. He didn’t discover anything. He landed on Haiti, not North America, and thought he was in Indonesia. He certainly wasn’t the first European; the Vikings had been here much earlier. He’s not worth fighting over.

    Before the 1930s, school history texts didn’t emphasize Columbus. They correctly treated the Vikings as the first discoverers.

    Columbus became a big deal in the 1930s because the Italians had the guns. Now the blacks have the guns, so their heroes get the national holidays. Heroes are just an expression of power.

    • LOL: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Catdog
    , @GazaPlanet
  24. The Spaniards in 1492 borrowed a lot from their Portuguese neighbors when it came to seamanship. Five hundred years ago the Portuguese built ships out of natural materials and with peasants’ hand tools which could literally sail around the world. Think of the cognitive demand this must have made on the Portuguese people at the time, in terms of ship engineering, astronomy, navigation, map making, logistics, and probably an associated system of banking and insurance on shore. Yet in our time, countries full of comparably poor people can’t do this now, even if they have access to modern tools and petroleum fuels. Otherwise we would see caravel-like ships arriving in America’s ports from, say, African countries.

  25. About the Spanish occupation of Hispanola, Bartolome de las Casas, whom Prof. Delaney cites, wrote:

    well weapon’d with Lances and Swords, begin to exercise their bloody Butcheries and Strategems, and overrunning their Cities and Towns, spar’d no Age, or Sex, nay not so much as Women with Child, but ripping up their Bellies, tore them alive in pieces. They laid Wagers among themselves, who should with a Sword at one blow cut, or divide a Man in two; or which of them should decollate or behead a Man, with the greatest dexterity; nay farther, which should sheath his Sword in the Bowels of a Man with the quickest dispatch and expedition.

    They snatcht young Babes from the Mothers Breasts, and then dasht out the brains of those innocents against the Rocks; others they cast into Rivers scoffing and jeering them, and call’d upon their Bodies when falling with derision, the true testimony of their Cruelty, to come to them, and inhumanely exposing others to their Merciless Swords, together with the Mothers that gave them Life.

    17th century translation of A Brief Account of the Destruction of the Indies, 1552

  26. Most believed Christianity was the one true faith and that unbelievers went to hell. Evangelism was a duty. Many Christians were millenarians and believed that the End Times and the return of Christ — as described in Revelation — were coming soon.

    And plenty of Christians today hold the same childish beliefs. Christians just can’t get away from the fact that their religion started at a doomsday cult, can they? I can see why the early modern philosophers saw the kind of Christianity they inherited as an intellectual embarrassment that they wanted to contain through creative and arguably dishonest redefinitions of key Christian concepts, like Spinoza’s equation of god with nature. They viewed their project as a matter of turning Christianity into simple moral teaching for the dumb common people, while the ones capable of philosophical enlightenment wouldn’t need it.

    • Agree: Robert Konrad
  27. Columbus did not discover America. It was Bugs Bunny who discovered America.
    We knew that from the times when we were kids.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  28. So in his quest to bring Christianity to the world Columbus instead brought destruction and mayhem. Isn’t this what occurred on all the American continents? Oh wait, this even occurred in Europe and Asia too. Convert to our form of Christianity or we will kill you and make slaves of your people.
    One has to wonder if the Bible itself had been altered. Sure seems like it was and still is . . . mostly for the benefit those who claim to be the chosen ones.

  29. ivan says:

    Christopher Columbus was a great a man, but he had to pay every penny back to his financiers. For that reason he was always on the lookout for slaves that could be sold. The Caribs fitted the bill since they were unredeemed cannibals. The further down South he went, the more darker the population and hence possibly material for slave trading. Columbus was living in an era where slavery – especially upon defeat in battle – was the accepted norm. He was by the standards of his time and the rigours of his enterprise a humane man.

    It has to be noted though that he was under strict instructions to make all whom he found Catholic subjects of the great Queen Isabella with rights equal to Catholics in Spain. Too much gaslighting by the Proddies has obscured the fact, that the Spaniards for their time were no different in their treatment of enemies than anyone else. So yes the Catholic faith of Christopher Columbus – the name itself points him out as a Christ bearer, kept him from excesses. This is all made clear by a reading of

    which although is about the enslavement of the Amerindians, is free of the usual cant from Proddies and Leftists.

    • Thanks: Tommy Thompson
  30. Happy Columbus Day to all. I was glad to see the title right up there on the top of the unz site this morning along with an article on VDare too (by Mr. James Fulford, as is his routine).

    Thank you, Ron Unz! I am used to seeing headline articles that are all-things-anti-Americans, so this is a nice change*. Maybe there are already countervailing arguments in posts under some of the usual anti-Western writers, and I already see some here in the comments. I’ve this to say, though, about the hard-core political types who have trashed the holiday and the accomplishments of Captain Columbus for 3 decades running:

    It’s one thing to dispute that the man was a nice guy, he treated the natives well, or that he did everything for unselfish reasons. It’s another to simply try to stomp out any history of the amazing accomplishment of that 1st voyage 528 years ago. It was 5 weeks across the Ocean Blue with the biggest vessel, the Santa Maria being a boat of estimated 150 tonne (metric ton) displacement, a hull length of a little over 60 ft, and a beam of 18 ft powered solely by sail and with celestial and dead (deduced) reckoning for navigation.

    Shoot, most people today wouldn’t be comfortable setting foot on a modern fiberglass boat this size with GPS, auto-tiller, auto-trimming sails, and even Great Thunberg as their Captain Courageous for a trip across the Ocean Green. (“Green” for Greta – remember Greta?)

    That is not to mention the unfathomable beneficial impact that Columbus’ and subsequent European explorers had on the future of the Americas. To leave the Western Hemisphere as lands full of mostly violent savages would have been a sin.

    I believe that most of the people who fight politically against the Columbus Day holiday are losers who have never read ANY books about the man with any political view. They are too stupid to actually read books.

    .

    * Your putting a Steve Sailer post up top yesterday is much appreciated too.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Thanks: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  31. Be as it may- Columbus made Americas European. Otherwise, they would be either Muslim or Chinese.

    • Disagree: Thim
  32. The reader may want to learn a very interesting story from Columbus’ 4th and final voyage, which takes place when the crew got stranded on the island that is now called Jamaica due to their ships having been eaten out by worms, making them unseaworthy.

    I’ve always been interested in astronomy, and during the period around the solar eclipse we got to witness 3 summers ago, I found a copy of Eclipse, by Duncan Steel. (It’s a very readable book and not technical at all for those who worry about that.) In it is a story of how Captain Columbus was able to save his crew by fooling the natives who were about done with supplying them with food by knowing some science, in this case the calculations of a coming lunar eclipse.

    See “Eclipses in History: Learn some science – it may save your ass some day.” on the Peak Stupidity blog for a short summary.

    You can call him an evil man for this one too, but he was Captain, and he saved the lives of himself and his crew.

  33. Dumbo says:

    The Vikings did not colonize America (except for very small settlements), and did not leave any writings about the land. So really there’s no comparison, even if they really were probably the first Eropeans to arrive in the American continent.

    Of course the Asians were there much before, Amerindians are basically dumbed-down Asians, aren’t they?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  34. @Larry Romanoff

    No, the Jewish Virtual Library does not “admit” that Columbus was a Marrano Jew. This is what they say :

    “…The mystery regarding Columbus’ origins is largely the outcome of his own mendacity: and as a result it is equally impossible to exclude or to confirm the hypothesis that he was descended from a Jewish or ex-Jewish family…”

    A “genocide that exterminated more than 125 million people” in the Americas never happened because: 1) there were only some 14 million native Americans at that time, 2) the Spaniards, though undoubtedly cruel in their treatment of the Indians, never committed an intentional genocide on the natives. Most Indians who died perished due to contagious diseases against which they had no resistance.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Robjil
  35. Z-man says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, Happy Columbus Day! A National holiday. For how long? If Kamala-Biden and the Dumbokratz win not long.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  36. Richard B says:
    @Biff

    Great comment. Each of the three sentences directs attention to an interesting and important aspect of the subject of history.

    Imagine all the ‘hearsay’ even before the body went cold – then twenty years later – then a hundred years – then half a millennium.

    Another word for “hearsay”, of course, is gossip.
    And, though not a lot of people would like to admit it, or even accept it as a possibility, it’s not uncommon for the line between history and gossip to be blurred, whether through intention or ignorance, or a combination of both. The lower on the cultural pyramind, the truer this is. After all, in both history and gossip all of the verbs are in the past tense.

    The intellectually-challenged (another name for Wokeness) can’t see the difference between gossip and history, preferring instead to lump the two into one overriding explanation which they then call The Truth. And that brings us to the next sentence of your comment.

    Then compare that with how terribly idealistic historians get WWll wrong at times, and suddenly the bullshit meter goes into the red zone.

    The historicization of culture by European man (and those in his geographical extensions, ie; USA, etc) is one of the most imporant and exciting things to happen in all of intellectual history. The tools of histriography that were developed during that time and for some time after were simply unmatched. But such histriography was not kind to ideology or theology, because it the study of its subject before the ideology of even the historian (and anthropologist as well).

    So, naturally, the pushback was strong and came from all ideological and theological directions. As your second sentence makes clear, advanced histriography has not survived the battering it took. At least not in academia. Which would explain why the once prestigious Ivy League is not The Poison Ivy League.

    Not only do many historians not even know that they’re working in a worn out and self-discrediting intellectual tradition, they don’t even know the most important fact of History itself.

    History is not about events of the past. It’s about documents in the present.

    And for a simple reason devoid of any complexity. Past events are inaccessible. Just like the thoughts of another person standing right in front of us. This makes the subject and study of Cultural History doubly difficult. Though it’s not difficult to Dunning-Kruger Nation who come to ever subject and every topic already armed with The Truth.

    I’ve heard so many different versions of who Columbus is to the point that he makes Sybil look well adjusted.

    That’s because we live in an interpreted world, a multiperspective world. And this obvious fact discredits The First Church of Wokeness even more. Because it prates about diversity while reducing the complexity of the world in general, and history in particular, to a single overriding and inflexible explanatory system that it demands everyone automatically accept as true.

    But we can only live in reality if we accept the inherent instability of all theoretical constructs, just like science does (or did). With this as our intellectual goal we return to history with a richer, far more interesting and inspiring comprehension of who we are.

    Because Wokeness = Cultural Impoverishment it’s Full Spectrum Dominance represents the single greatest threat to the human race. For this reason, the only way for us to truly recover from the nightmare of history is to accept the fact that Treasn against Wokeness is Loyalty to Humanity.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman

    “…To leave the Western Hemisphere as lands full of mostly violent savages would have been a sin…”

    The Europeans who settled the Americas, though in a way “civilized”, were certainly not less violent than the natives. The US has been involved in wars for 222 years out of 244. So in terms of world peace, perhaps it would have been better if Columbus never had “discovered” America.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  38. @advancedatheist

    #24

    sorry but the Spaniards and the Portugese borrowed or outright appropriated the sciences, mathematics, astronomy, star navigation, and in large measure culture from the most advanced civilization in Europe at the time, which was Islamic Andalucia. Besides being an open and tolerant society where the rule of law prevailed for for all communities: Muslim, Christians (Catholics and Eastern Orthodox), and Jews were free to worship and live without persecution until their conquest by the ever advancing Reconquista crusade pushed by the Western Roman Church.

    the excuse that Columbus was only set out to cause the making of the 10th Crusade to overtake the Muslim rule of Jerusalem and their Muslim and Eastern Orthodox population is not a very compelling argument to the havoc that followed him into the New World. Western Rome even finally put its attack machine on Constantinople itself in its craze for empire married to extreme religion and love of wealth.

    Compare this to the Papal dominated Spain, which was propelled constantly to undertake conquests of Islamic Spain and even into North Africa by their Vatican masters which controlled, their ideology, politics, education and even their the wealth of the peasantry, taken by the Church land owners— the first multi-national corporation in the world.

    Of course, Columbus whether a Morano Jew or not is not the question, the Spanish Explorers, were not Explorers, but were the same battle hardened Conquestadors of the same ilk that destroyed and ethnically/religiously cleansed Andalucia.

    So violence, plunder for wealth, rape and genocide, was long instilled in them, what else could be expected by Columbus’ new world expedition and the indigenous societies.

    By the way Moroccan (certainly then Andalucian) historians claim they had already visited the New World many times and evidence has been found supporting this, but always hidden by our friends at the Smithsonian. Maybe Columbus had prior knowledge about what to expect by setting sail to the west, if indeed he had Morano Jewish ancestry.

    Good luck with the re-make of Columbus’ personna, but this historical boat long ago sailed.

  39. When Jacques Cartier mapped the mouth of the St Lawrence River in 1535, he reported there were a many Basque fishing boats already there. The Basques of northern Spain have always asserted that their fishermen where summering off the American coast for decades before 1492, harvesting cod and whale. The crew of Columbus’ ships were mostly Basque, including his navigator!

    There is lots of hard archeological proof from old Basque fishing camps in the Americas from the early 1500s, but hard proof prior to 1492 has yet to appear. Fishermen set up Summer camps to gut and dry/salt their cod/whale meat and barrel whale oil before sailing home. Had the Basque discovered great fishing areas along the American coast prior to 1492, it is unlikely they would have announced this discovery to the world.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  40. I don’t know what kinda man Columbus was , but I do know the Spaniards had better propagandists and historians. Old Chris found Hispanola in 1492. The Vikings were doing business in the New World way before that. And what if the tales of Prince Madoc are true, and he with his fellow Welsh settled in America 1100’s?

    • Replies: @anon
  41. Richard B says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    As we “celebrate” America’s oddest holiday, most Americans now know that Columbus (actually Colombo) did not discover America, but arrived to steal what he could.

    Yet another Woke version of Boobus Americanus who can’t tell the difference between Indoctrination and Knowledge.

    Get this through your thick skull dumbbell. History is not about events that happened in the past. It’s about documents that are intrepreted in the present. That’s how historical forgery is possible.

    The First Church of Wokeness is entirely dependent on such lies. But, because it’s so stupid it doesn’t even know it’s stupid, it’s never learned to question its own assumptions. So, it’ll forever remain in the dark.

    The fatal thing about Woke Indoctrinators is that their mediocre minds are extolled as “great” by credulous dumbbells devoid of judgment. This explains why numbskull wokesters, like you, automatically believe whatever they’re told.

    Wokeness = Cultural Impoverishment

  42. Z-man says:
    @Dumbo

    Agree

    So I don’t see what’s the beef of Africans with Columbus and the Spanish conquerors, they should thank them that they were brought from Africa.

    Funny and of course true.

  43. Rich says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Now you Jews want Columbus? Can’t let anyone do anything great unless he was a member of your Tribe, right? Why can’t you guys be happy with Disraeli and Feynman? Columbus’ family was well known in Genoa, his meetings with the devoutly Catholic monarchs in Spain well recorded, and his Catholic faith passed down to his children. Next you guys will be claiming Washington and Reagan.

  44. @Larry Romanoff

    exterminating more than 125 million people including the entire Maya, Inca and Aztec civilisations,

    HardeHar!

    You kooks believe the nuttiest whoppers. 125 million people? Where were these fantastic cities with modern food cultivation and delivery, sanitation, housing that would support this fantastic population?

    Why is there no trace or evidence for same?

    How are you clowns so completely gullible?

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  45. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Your 222 out of 244 must include some stuff that no one alive during the times even knew was going on. If you want to talk about warmongering by the US Gov’t over the last 30 years, I’d probably agree with you, but your number is just silly.

    One could say there was ALWAYS war going on in the Americas since the Indians arrived, as the odds are there’d be at least a few tribes at war at any point you took, with the thousands of different tribes. If you want to read about warmongering, learn about the Comanches some time. Their whole goal in life was stealing more horses and making war just to kill, rape, and torture even if there were no horses to steal. It was a living for them, whaddya’ gonna do? (See Peak Stupidity’s review of the excellent Sam Gwynne book, Empire of the Summer Moon in 3 parts – Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.)

    If you want to give any numerical value to peace in the world, then you have to have numbers proportional to people alive. The Americas were very sparsely populated compared to today.

    I, for one, am very glad Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue. We are all far better off for it.

    BTW, I never thanked the writer Jared Taylor himself for the article. Thank you, Mr. Taylor.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  46. @Franklin Ryckaert

    A “genocide that exterminated more than 125 million people” in the Americas never happened

    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#America

    Estimate Death Toll from war, murder, genocide, aggravated disease and avoidable famine: 15 million (Matthew White, The Great Big Book of Horrible Things: The Definitive Chronicle of History’s 100 Worst Atrocities (W. W. Norton, 2012)

    ……………
    The advocates of large numbers, however, are often their own worst enemies. On page 33 of American Holocaust, David Stannard declares, “[P]robably about 25,000,000 people, or about seven times the number living in all of England, were residing in and around the great Valley of Mexico at the time of Columbus’s arrival in the New World”.

    Now, I’ve been to England, and I can vouch that the English have left their mark on the land. You can’t throw a brick in England without hitting some relic of the earlier inhabitants — castles, cathedrals, Roman walls and roads, Stonehenge, etc. — not to mention books, tools, coins, weapons and all the little pieces of the past that turn up anytime someone plows a field or cleans their attic.

    Now go back and read what Stannard has written. I’m sure that the point that he’s trying to make is that since there were seven times as many Mexicans as English, truly the Mexicans were seven times more civilized than the English, so if anyone deserved to be called “savages”, it’s the English. Unfortunately, the point that nags at me is “If there were seven times as many people in Mexico, shouldn’t there be seven times as many relics in Mexico?” Yes, I’ve read the archaeological reports that discuss irrigation systems, and I’ve seen the big, colorful picture books showing jungle-encrusted ruins of ancient pyramids, but the fact is that seven times the population of England should have left behind a lot more stuff than that.
    ………………………………………..
    Think of it this way: if the Europeans had arrived with the most benign intentions and behaved like perfect guests, or for that matter, if Aztec sailors had been the ones to discover Europe instead of vice versa, then the Indians would still have been exposed to unfamiliar diseases and the population would still have been scythed by massive epidemics, but we’d just lump it into the same category as the Black Death, i.e. bad luck. (Curiously, the Black Death was brought to Europe by the Mongols. Should we blame them for it? And while we’re tossing blame around willy-nilly, aren’t the Native Americans responsible for introducing tobacco to the world — and for the 90 million deaths which followed?)

    • Agree: Rich, ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  47. @Franklin Ryckaert

    An 80 IQ Indian has a video, so it must be true.

    I can’t speak with authority about the Caribbean Indians and Columbus, but I can speak with authority about the Indians in what is now the US and Canada. Almost without exception they were uber-violent, stone age primitive savages. Their preferred lifestyle was theft, barbarism, murder, and indolence. They remained this way until it was beaten out of them.

    All honest history and the fossil record confirms this to be true.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  48. Historians are unable to explain an edict by the Pope just two years after Columbus discovered the Caribbean with detailed descriptions that awarded South America’s Atlantic coast to Portugal, which became Brazil. It is thought the Portuguese had been exploring and trading across the Atlantic decades prior, but kept this knowledge as a trade secret. It is thought that the Spanish crown dispatched Columbus to confirm rumors. History is fascinating, but the world powers don’t approve of peasants discussing reality. They prefer rote memorization: “In 1492 Christopher Columbus discovered America.” So shut up and honor Christopher Columbus for his great accomplishment.

    • Agree: Thim
    • Replies: @Catdog
    , @Bombercommand
    , @utu
  49. @Tommy Thompson

    I consider the willingness to borrow ideas an excellent characteristic. It takes intelligent people to recognize that other people have good ideas. And that still raises the question of why black Africans didn’t copy and practice what they could have learned about shipbuilding and navigation from Arabs and North Africans, with whom they had a long history of contact and trade before the Portuguese showed up.

  50. @Tommy Thompson

    sorry but the Spaniards and the Portugese borrowed or outright appropriated the sciences, mathematics, astronomy, star navigation, and in large measure culture from the most advanced civilization in Europe at the time, which was Islamic Andalucia. Besides being an open and tolerant society where the rule of law prevailed for for all communities: Muslim, Christians (Catholics and Eastern Orthodox), and Jews were free to worship and live without persecution until their conquest by the ever advancing Reconquista crusade pushed by the Western Roman Church.

    Bullshit. Islamic Golden age lasted, approximately, from the 8th to the 12th C & then it was, with a few exceptions- over. They borrowed mostly from Greeks & something from Indians, and a few of them truly did great things, especially in math & astronomy. In other fields, whether exact sciences, philosophy or arts, they were not comparable to Europeans. Even great Avicenna/Ibn Sina was mostly derivative.

    • Thanks: Rich
  51. @Bardon Kaldian

    Now, everyone go read the Black Book of Communism, and get a few more numbers for us. Part was in Europe and part in Asia, with a tad more spread around every other one but Antarctica , so you can smear the numbers out over at least 2 continents if that helps anyone feel better about it …

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  52. anon[796] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    The Vikings had a bad relationship with the Norse and only last a single year in Newfoundland.

    There was some small degree of intermarriage if we are to believe genetic markers and at least one Native American woman went to Iceland but in general the Vikings and Native Americans did not coexist

    Columbus settled American and opened up trade routes in the New World though he himself never set foot in the US.

    The Vikings did not think they were first and wrote of Irish monks in Newfoundland and Iceland.

    .

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  53. anon[437] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is everybody talking about this ancient Columbus person on Brighton Bombing Day?

    https://inteltoday.org/2020/10/12/on-this-day-the-brighton-bombing-october-12-1984-understanding-the-lockerbie-solution/#more-23403

    What’s more important, some proto-tourist or the Irish peoples’ historic defense of their right to self-determination?

  54. Thim says:

    Columbus did not write his “diary”, his first mate did.

    As for his goofy theology, he couldn’t really have been that stupid. He was building a reputation as pious.

    There is an art to theological lying, and it is quite common. As for the diary itself, believe that if you want.

  55. @Bardon Kaldian

    #50

    Sure Muslim societies were intermingled and in continuous open communication with the advanced countries of Byzantium, Persia, India, China, etc. and they had a great exchange of information. Europe was a back water according to the Arab writers of the time.

    But the Arabs on their own did stand out for major contributions in math, astronomy, anatomy, medicine and chemistry in their day. They did take the ancient Greek philosophers especially Plato and less extent Aristotle to new heights of relevance and interpretation.

    Nobody living in a shell can produce new discoveries, especially the inventors and discoverers of European Renaissance which borrowed heavily from the Islamic south and never felt compelled to give them any credit, as that was a sure route to bring the Vatican’s Inquisitors to the door.

    Arab civilization remained pretty advanced until conquest of the Mamelukes by the Ottoman from the East. So please no bs from you on historical records.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  56. First of all the United States have nothing to do with Columbus. Columbus, most officially, was a conquistador for the Spanish Empire, which was the arch-enemy of all anglo-saxon and Northern European peoples more generally by then. Columbus was expanding an Empire founded on imposed organized religion and justified by such an enterprise, while Early English America rather defined itself as a kind of refuge for non-conformist religious groups. That was just poles apart ethnically and ideologically. Throughout the beginning of its history English America loathed the Spanish Empire like none other political entity on earth, more than it would later on hate Soviet Russia, at popular level at least, and that enimity would last through the whole 19th century. Celebrating Columbus Day in the US as a national holiday is as preposterous as celebrating a Catherine the Great Holiday in the US under the pretext she opened Siberia and Alaska to the first European colonizers. And even then the Russians did discover and explore a territory which was to be bought from Russia in a friendly way, Alaska, whereas Colombus only touched territories which were to remain foreign or enemy. By that time there were far more English privateers and mariners working for the Ottoman Empire than for the Spanish Empire and the general outlook was that the Ottoman empire was somewhat friendlier by many accounts than Catholic countries.

    Second if Columbus had been a more humane colonial discoverer than those of North America, if for instance he would have been some kind of democrat or republican fighting tyrannies in Mexico, that might perhaps have made sense, but the case is most opposite.

    Third the Columbus story is a fraud by several dimensions. The American territory was already a curiosity, commercial and fishing destination travel for many European mariners — just take a blatant example, Basque cod fishing in Newfoundland which had been going on since early Medieval times — with the only difference that the routes had been and remained strictly private knowledge, generally kept by such port cities as Venice and Genoa. Columbus was working for Genoese merchant powers like many others had been doing for centuries and everything indicates he did not consult the real log book of the voyage but was only allowed to play a conquistador’s part for the kingdom of Spain by the ships’ owners : the only log book he held personally was a military one like any land army commander would have kept, mostly concerned about personnel, not a naval one in the technical sense : there were other more informed specialists on board, including interpreters of the local languages (!!!). There was clearly and most officially a deep state of the sea with Venice and Genoa being the capital cities and Columbus was not part of it. The secret knowledge that allowed the voyages to take place was not then disclosed except in the a posteriori narrative that was to be written down from about 1600 onwards. The mariners recruted all along the Western mediterranean basin to go to the other continent had always called that land la Merica since high Medieval times, from the name of the country of Mexico in deformed pronounciation, not because of Amerigo Vespucci.

    Most Amerindian populations living on the East coast of the American continent were more caucasian than mongoloid genetically, contrary to those further West, with the Mississippi being the main divide between the rather White tribes and the rather Mongoloid or Polynesian, which indicates that there had been informal but very extensive and regular contacts with Europe since quite a long time, like there also must have been between Asia and West Coast America since quite a long time.

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  57. @Achmed E. Newman

    Matthew White has done a great job in stats…

    http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

    30 Worst Atrocities of the 20th Century

    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

    Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Primary Megadeaths of the Twentieth Century

    http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/tyrants.htm

    Question: Who was the Bloodiest Tyrant of the 20th Century?
    Answer: We don’t know.

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  58. GMC says:

    Kinda left out the Vatican’s { Rome } Doctrine of Discovery, which wasn’t real keen on being nice to the natives and gave the white men rights, for stealing lands. And of course, the ” New Americans on the East coast loved the Catholic Doctrine of Discovery and incorporated it – into their religion also. Or so I read .

  59. @Genrick Yagoda

    “…An 80 IQ Indian has a video, so it must be true…”

    His source is not his own imagination but Bartolomeu de las Casas. And his command of English and general way of speaking suggests a higher IQ than 80.

    “…Their preferred lifestyle was theft, barbarism, murder, and indolence. They remained this way until it was beaten out of them…”

    Well, when will aggression be “beaten out” of Americans?

  60. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    White people should go back to Europe. Coming to this land for whatever reason was a mistake. There has been nothing but war for us since coming here. The best of us are dead.
    The government could start a repatriation movement, and at the same time move all the people of color over here or back to their own lands at government expense. Jobs could there and here for the new comers. It would be great for the economies of all sides. Of course it would have to be voluntary but once the old ball got rolling I think more and more people would welcome the opportunity to leave.
    They convinced people to come here, they can convince them to go back, just another offer of a better life. There is no peace, no land and no hope for whites in this shit hole of anti-white.
    I guess you folks could have used a better slogan earlier on, “It’s okay to white, this isn’t Africa” but that’ll never work now. I think Europe is the only hope for Europeans to have a land and a people.

  61. GMC says:
    @anon

    The book 1421 , the year China mapped the world is a great read. The British X Navy man has done a great job of verifying this and that, as he takes you around the world.

  62. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Judaism is not a western religion and Jews are not western people. They are middle easterners. Former historians classified Eastern states as Oriental potentate, ruled by one almighty Dynasty. Jews are intermediate between them and the democratic Althing of Greenland. To classify them as western is to mislead readers into believing that western values come naturally to them. Nothing could be further from the truth. They adopt the outward form as camouflage, as a chameleons change their color to blend in with their surroundings. To do so is their essential nature–and they are proud of it. They claim it as their essentially “Jewish” trait, what sets them apart from the communities in which they take up residence.

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  63. @Achmed E. Newman

    For the US record of aggression see:

    William Blum: Rogue State, which can be read free on line.

    And for the US record of its “secret” i.e. CIA wars, see his: Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions since World War II.

    And do you know how Hawaii became American?

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  64. @Larry Romanoff

    ” exterminating more than 125 million people including the entire Maya, Inca and Aztec civilisations”

    Sorry, as sympathetic as I am to aboriginal issues, I’d have to see extremely good evidence that jungle civilizations were capable of reaching those sorts of numbers.

    I’m all for trenchant critiques of colonialism, but there has to be some evidence. Just like with the ‘Holocaust’, mere assertions are not enough.

    I have no doubt that the prospect of running amok in the ‘new world’ attracted a ton of sociopaths, psychopaths, sexual predators and the like, meaning that many of the stories of torture, murder, rape, etc, are probably true.

    In the case of India and the Mughal invasion, there’s good reason to believe that the casualties were in the 10s of millions, since India is an exceptionally fertile country that has always been an agricultural powerhouse. Jungle societies simply don’t generate enough food to sustain massive populations.

  65. Christopher Colon’s fault isn’t that he was White but that he isn’t recognized as a Genoese Jew and that galls the powers that are in this great country.

    P. S. From now on, I will refer to the aboriginal Americans as Chinos because he was looking for China and not India… the only good “Chinun” is not a dead one!

  66. @Tommy Thompson

    Muslims were mostly copycats. True, their inestimable contribution was the transference of slightly modified Indian numerals to the West. Only fools deny that. They made discoveries in areas of mathematics, astronomy, and systematized medical Galen’s knowledge.

    Just, during those “dark ages” (when do they end, by the way?), Europeans have:

    * built Romanic & Gothic cathedrals

    * wrote philosophy of the caliber of Boethius, Augustine, Erigena … which far surpasses anything derived from Islamic & Arabic sources (who, basically, absorbed only parts of Plotinus and Aristotle, completely ignoring stoics, epicureans, cynics, other neo-Platonists, .., as well as Greek drama, literature, sculpture, painting, political philosophy, …)

    * invented the most universal & permanent system of musical notation

    * invented, or made first & only universally accepted hospitals & universities, i.e. higher education (Catholic Church)

    Also, one must not forget that Europeans had absorbed from the Islamic world a load of rubbish (astrology, alchemy (not proto-chemistry) & various superstitions in form of Grimoires)

    Taking everything into account, it is reasonable to conclude that Islamic world was more advanced in many areas- especially hygiene- than proper Western world for perhaps 3 centuries, but that was either mostly built upon prior Western achievement, went hand-in-hand with other European accomplishments, and was by far surpassed when West began to wake up somewhere during the 14th C.

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  67. @ThreeCranes

    If we use the terms “western” and “eastern” in a geo-religious-cultural sense, then Jews are definitely a western people, together with Arabs, Persians, Turks and Europeans. Indians, South East Asians and East Asians are then “eastern” peoples. The beginning of this geo-religious-cultural division did not start with the ancient Greeks, but with the Zoroastrian Persians, whose fundamental ideas influenced Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I would therefore prefer not to speak about the “Near East”, but rather about the “Near West”. I would call Turkey the “Middle West” and Europe the “Far West”. I would call India the “Near East”, South East Asia the “Middle East” and East Asia the “Far East”. The border between the “West” and the “East” is not the Bosporus but the Hindu Kush.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  68. Catdog says:
    @polistra

    A statue of Columbus stood in front of the Capitol Building from 1840-1958. How does that mesh with your theory that he was considered irrelevant until the 1930s?

    • Replies: @lysias
  69. Catdog says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    In order for the Portuguese to sail around the south end of Africa, they discovered that the minds made it faster to sail west in a big loop, scraping the coast of Brazil, rather than hug the African coast. I think it is possible that some secret expedition discovered Brazil before or very shortly after Columbus launched his first journey. But the Portuguese were much more interested in conquering the Indian Ocean than in colonizing the New World.

  70. @Carlton Meyer

    No, not an unexplainable mystery at all, in fact well known for centuries. For the voyage to India going south on the West African coast the Portuguese could hug the coast all the way to the Cape Of Good Hope. This proved impossible on the return journey, but the Portuguese discovered they could sail NW from SW Africa far out to sea and pick up favorable winds going North, where the bumped into Brazil, stopped for fresh water and provisions and then picked up favorable winds to the Azores, and on to Portugal. This became their standard route to and from India, and the basis for their claim to Brazil. The Portuguese had always exercised extreme information security regarding their India project, the rest of Europe knew almost nothing of it. Portugal’s India project was brilliant and methodical. European geographers assumed Africa was a island, but how large was unknown. What was known was that the Romans used the Red Sea route to India and knew Africa extended southward. Europeans knew the Arab slave trade route was down the East African coast as far as Kilwa, Mozambique. The Arabs were not the fabulous navigators “woke history” pretends they were, a monsoon along the East African coast blew south half the year then north half the year, the muzzies merely rode it there and back again. Laying out what was known on a map, the Portuguese reasoned Africa terminated a reasonable distance south of Kilwa, so they began a series of methodical, and very secret, naval expeditions south along the West African coast. They would sail as far as a good harbor with fresh water, then return to Portugal and report. Gradually the map extended to the Cape of Good Hope about 1489. From there the sailing was easy but required a military campaign to take control of the East African ports from Kilwa to Mogadishu. They reached India in 1494, where their superior naval tactics proved decisive. Next stop was Malacca, from whence the Gujaratis controlled the spice trade all the way to Cairo. Malacca port was divided into three Shah Bandar(harbor master) enclaves: Gujarat, Javanese, Chinese, with much animosity among them. The Portuguese allied with the Javanese and Chinese and broke the Gujaratis. Then it it was on to the Moluccas spice islands, China, and Japan. Glorious days.

    • Agree: utu
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  71. Robjil says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Most of Latin America is largely Native or partly Native American.

    This is proof the Spanish and Portuguese were not genocidal.

    North America is a different story. Very few European or African settlers have any Native American DNA. The mass migration of Latin Americans to North America is changing that.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  72. @RichardTaylor

    Most atheists also happen to be Newtonian-Cartesian-Darwinian rationalistic materialists. They commonly denounce contemporary spiritual pathway seekers as “new agers” –only some of whom fit that broad-brush description. Atheism is a tattered and dated ideology as anyone who has delved deeply into the works of Carl Jung, Rudolf Steiner and more recently Rupert Sheldrake will attest. Materialism, whatever dialect it happens to embrace, is an ism, an ideology, or as some would say, an idiotism.

    From an Hegelian perspective, atheism may be viewed as the antithesis to religious fanaticism. If the dialectic keeps revolving, the antithesis is a mere waystop along the pathway to a more enlightened universalist perspective. It is nothing more than academicist fantasy, all caught up in abstraction and intellectualization of a reality which depth and breadth totally eludes their perspectives.

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  73. @Dumbo

    Self-named as Dumbo is delightfully ironic. So Columbus arrived in the Americas in 1492. How many years would have passed before another navigator from Europe would have came to this part of the world?

    Among Columbus’ travels was a voyage to Iceland where he was able to discover accounts of Lief Erickson and the other Vikings who arrived here almost half a millennium before old Chris set sail. It is conceivable that the latter-day “discoverers” would not have been representatives of the Spanish crown, but from some slightly more civilized and less fanatically Roman Catholic nation. Who knows how the saga of European settlement of the Americas would have transpired under such a different but not improbable scenario?

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  74. Wally says:
    @anon

    The Columbus voyages are interesting, but:

    Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years, new archaeological evidence : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

    Stone Age Hunters From Europe Discovered America: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/no_author/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america/

    Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years, new archaeological evidence : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

    The Non-Genocide of Northern “Native” Americans: https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/06/02/the-non-genocide-of-northern-native-americans/

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  75. TKK says:

    A man is a wolf to another man

    To ask the question if Columbus was pure of heart is grotesque virtue signaling.

    It is marching in step with the feminized, sentimental, weak, Leftist ideology that pretends that the world is fair and just, or can be through government agents.

    The history of human civilization is one of brutal domination, conquest and land grabs. Life in this world is not fair, nor will it ever be. Religion and law seek to temper the brute nature of man, “red in tooth and claw”, but usually fails.

    Actual intellectual truth will be achieved when it is acknowledged that all people- white, black, brown, yellow, hybrids- are capable both of sickening acts and graceful acts.

    The constant villainization of white people must stop.

    If it doesn’t, we will be lucky to come out as protected as the Native Americans Columbus “discovered”- with huge untaxed casino profits, their own government and serious alcohol problems.

  76. Polemeros says:

    It does not matter what kind of man Columbus was.

    Any attack on him, like the attacks on his holiday, is a foundational attack on the White societies that Europeans created in the Americas.

    Any White man who hopes to continue his people’s existence and culture needs to stand up unapologetically for Columbus.

    He is a stand-in for you and your children.

    • Disagree: Peripatetic Itch
  77. lysias says:
    @Catdog

    Washington Irving wrote an extremely popular life of Columbus published in 1828.

    Hail Columbia, arranged with lyrics in 1798, was the de facto national anthem of the United States through most of the 19th century.

  78. lysias says:

    Columbus, Ohio was so named at the city’s foundation in 1812, thus well before Irving’s book.

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  79. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Geographical terminology can be fun. If you take a look at the US, it becomes apparent that at least three states, Ohio, West Virginia and Kentucky should be called the “Mid-East”. My perspective is that some Poobah from Baahstin, probably in the 1840’s or thereabouts looked at a map and seeing that at that time Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas and Louisiana comprised the “far west”, then by New England perspectives, the previously mentioned states would indeed have made up the middle-west. Of course, at the time, West Virginia was an outlying province of the Old Dominion and as a slave state, Kentucky would have been regarded as southern.

    Let’s consider it from a contemporary perspective. The West begins at around the 90th meridian, on a line from the western Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. Logic behind that is that this high plains region has relatively little precipitation and is unsuited for agriculture, saving for irritation from the rapidly declining Oglalla aquifer and is more conducive to livestock grazing. That’s a loonnng way from the Ohio river. So, considered continentally, those first cited states are mid-eastern and should be so described. Indiana is an interesting indicator as roughly half the state is on eastern standard time calculation. Not studied up on Kentucky’s temporal policies and politics,,but Ohio and West Virginia are strictly eastern by any sensible rubric.

    Critical thinking, however, has been disabused and debased in contemporary America. Consequently,
    Ohio and its companions will remain stuck in the Midwest.

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  80. @Larry Romanoff

    The world population is estimated to have been 500 million in the year 1500. Your assertion that 125 million natives were “exterminated” is laughable.

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  81. lysias says:
    @lysias

    The District of Columbia got that name in 1791.

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  82. @polistra

    Columbia Gem of the Ocean, Washington Irving, it was those Eye-talians that dun it.

  83. @Dumbo

    Newsflash!!!!!
    Greenland is part of North America.
    There are several Icelandic Sagas about Greenland and Vinland, written 800 years ago.

  84. @anon

    What’s more important, some proto-tourist or the Irish peoples’ historic defense of their right to self-determination?

    All for nothing if things keep up as they are: Irish could be minority ethnic group here by 2050 – professor

    You know how the song goes…

    Oh come out ye’ Black and Tans, replace the Brit with the brown man…

  85. @Robjil

    Robjil: You would be amazed at the number of European appearing and self-identified Americans who have Native DNA. Up until the last 30 years or so, the majority of them tended to carefully disavow that heritage, pretending to be all “white”, as the mores of those days tended towards a profoundly racist norm. In more recent years (think Elizabeth Warren) Native ancestry has become a mark of distinction for many Americans, with some (see above) even falsely making that claim.

    “Most of Latin America” is an un-studied assertion. Very little native DNA remains in the Caribbean lands, including the coastal regions of Venezuela and Columbia. Mestizos are the bulk of the population in Meso-America, while the Spanish creoles tend to be very in-bred and exclusionary and make up most of the economically more privileged classes. Ecuador is somewhat similar, though the purely native strain is a considerable minority. Though usually ruled by “los Blancos”, Peru and Bolivia are heavy majority native. The Spanish did not prefer to live up in the Andes, so few of them settled in those areas. Brazil is the classical “melting-pot”, with huge African and mulatto populations, a fair-sized grouping of colons of Portuguese heritage,, internationals, including considerable numbers of Japanese, Germans and Italians. In Chile,Argentina, Uruguay, the natives were mostly genocided, one way or the other and in Paraguay, Natives make up a not inconsiderable proportion of the population. The Guyanas are a potpourri of both Hindu and Muslim imports from the days of the Raj, considerable numbers of the descendants of enslaved Africans and a relative handful of whites who can tolerate the high levels of heat and humiliated relatives.

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  86. @anon

    The Vikings had a bad relationship with the Norse and only last a single year in Newfoundland.

    Vikings were Norse pirates. Vikings raided known settlements for their riches.
    L’Anse aux Meadows was built over several decades and in different styles. It was more of an outpost than settlement, used to repair and restock ships.
    There are several archaeological digs of Norse outposts and settlements taking place in Arctic Canada, mostly along the Northwest passage, of undetermined, exact age. The Western Settlement in Greenland was about 130 miles from Baffin Island, the southern coast of which, is part of the beginning of the Northwest Passage.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @anon
  87. @lysias

    It is no longer proper to label the center of U$ governance as the District of Columbia. It is more correctly described as the “District of Corruption”.

  88. orionyx says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Yes indeed, the West Africans got there first with their guanine (and presumably adenine, thymine, and cytosine – or was it uracil? as well. From the Intuits the West Africans got intuition and an advanced accounting system that even today helps the West African countries to keep their books crooked.
    Unfortunately they used stone canoes, which sank so often that they couldn’t establish a reliable return route. None of the wrecks of these canoes have ever been discovered, so we have no way of proving their existence, but only a racist would denigrate the achievements of the magnificent mariners who brought Wakandan civilization to the Caribbean.

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  89. Robjil says:
    @Majority of One

    In the Spanish Caribbean a lot Native DNA is still found. Puerto Rico is one example. DNA doesn’t lie.

    https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/indigenous-puerto-rico-dna-evidence-upsets-established-history-ww4SzKsiZkGF2aTzgUixMg

    Dr. Juan Martinez-Cruzado, a geneticist from the University of Puerto Rico Mayaguez who designed an island-wide DNA survey, released the final numbers and analysis of the project in 2003, and these results tell a different story.

    According to the study funded by the U.S. National Science Foundation, 61 percent of all Puerto Ricans have Amerindian mitochondrial DNA, 27 percent have African and 12 percent Caucasian. (Nuclear DNA, or the genetic material present in a gene’s nucleus, is inherited in equal parts from one’s father and mother. Mitochondrial DNA is inherited only from one’s mother and does not change or blend with other materials over time.)

    This is a comparison of Native American DNA in European Americans, Africans Africans and Latin Americans.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190919142344.htm

    The analysis showed that African descendants had low levels of Native American ancestry, consistent with the two groups mixing in the Antebellum South, followed by African American dispersal in the Great Migration. European descendants had the lowest amount of Native American ancestry, and showed a historical pattern of continual but infrequent mixing between local Native American groups and European settlers as they moved westward. Spanish descendants had the highest and most variable amounts of Native American ancestry, and their profiles showed regional patterns reflecting the different waves of Spanish-descended immigrants that moved into the country. Native American DNA was sufficient to distinguish between descendants of very early Spanish settlers in the U.S., known as Hispanos or Nuevomexicanos, and descendants of subsequent immigrants arriving from Mexico.

  90. Truth says:

    it is impossible to understand Columbus without understanding what committed Catholics thought in the 15th century. Most believed Christianity was the one true faith and that unbelievers went to hell.

    This has changed?

  91. Truth says:

    This is the official story of Columbus which is foolishness.

    In order to start unearthing the real story, one must start by asking, on such small, space-lacking vessels, why did Columbus bring not one, not two but THREE Hebrew translators…

    http://jbuff.com/c100903.htm

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  92. What you are quoting concerns mitochondrial (mtDNA) lineages.

    But the paternal lineages of Puerto ricans, Mexicans, etc, are mostly Western European.

    And the autosomal admixture from Native Americans is less than 50% in these groups.

    So basically, Native men failed to reproduce (for whatever reason) and the Native women impregnated en masse by white dudes like Christopher Columbus.

    A similar process happened in North America. In New England the Native tribes have exclusively Western European paternal (Y-DNA) lineages, but Native maternal lineages. And tbey look like Mestizos or Castizos, or even fully European people.

    It is true that a minority of white people have Native ancestry in North America; but this is only because most white people in North America are “New Americans”; people who got here from continrntal Europe the middle 1800s-onward, when Natives were already seated or retreating to reservations. Isolating the “Old American whites” from the post-1840 whites shows much more Native ancestry.

    If we hadn’t received the mid-1800s/1900s continental European migration, which was massive and more sex-equal than tbe original, almost exclusively male and comparatively small settlement of the 13 colonies and Canada, our countries would have a different genetic makeup than they do today.

    Nevertheless you can still see the clear traces of Amerindian ancestry in modern Americans; that’s especially true in French Canadians and East Coasters, and even in modern French and Spaniards due to back-migration. Americans don’t “look” like their European cousins.

    • Agree: Majority of One
  93. Puerto Rico would then be a considerable outlier in the Caribbean islands, particularly in contrast to the people from the Dominican. I learned that by observing the differentiation in Major League Baseball players from those countries. On average, those from Hispaniola are at least three shades darker than from P.R.

    Scientific surveys can be fun and informative. However, one must always consider the depth and the breadth of that DNA study.

    Anecdotally, my experience has been graced with a considerable number of white-identifiers who now pride themselves of some native ancestry. In most cases the DNA would logically been mitochondrial. Residing, as I have been between two reservations and with a third in the general vicinity, many of the individuals now identifying as native definitely look European. The primary stimulus for their now native identity is those checks coming in from the casinos along with government subsidized health-care. Thirty or forty years back, a probable majority of them would have “passed” as white.

    The Hispanos are an interesting phenomenon. Their paternal DNA is almost exclusively derived from Spanish immigrants who settled in and around Santa Fe in the 1600’s. As many of them were single men, they took espousal with native women. New Mexican natives do not have that quasi-Oriental look common to those in Meso America. The difference can be striking if one keeps his eyes open. In general, it would appear that the Hispanics long native to NM and to Texas tend to be quite off-putting to “los migros”, both for downgrading labor wages and some antipathetical attitudes to the border-jumpers.

  94. GeorgeD says:

    Those who have an open mind, without an axe to grind, should look at this:

    http://columbus-book.com/

  95. @Robjil

    Puerto Rican are typically genetically 4% Native American on average. 90% of Puerto Rican males have a European Y chromosome

    White Americans on average have more Native American DNA than Elizabeth Warren, a little less than 1%.

    While Mexicans are typically about 40% Native American.

    One reason , there were less than a million Indians living in what became the United States. While in Mexico there were about 15 million Indians. While Mexico had more Indians , they had less Europeans settling into Mexico than here in America.

    In the 1790 census , The United States already had 4 million people , 700,000 salves and less than 50,000 Indians

    In contrast Mexico had 6 million people, 4 million Indians, 2 million mestizos and just 10,000 Spaniards.

    So the white population of The United States was 3.1 million greater than Mexico’s , and Mexico had 4 million more Indians and 2 million more Mestizos during this time.

    With just 10,000 whites in all of Mexico in 1790 , and 4 million Indians, 2 million mestizos, it is surprising that Mexicans today are just 40% Native American.

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  96. gay troll says:
    @Fr. John

    The God/dess is with me always. May you repent of your “faith” in the falsified Messiah of the Jews and acknowledge the true spiritual reality that we are all the children of God.

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  97. Excellent article.

    Thank you Mr Taylor.

    Christopher Columbus was a great man and a noble man. I’m proud that we still celebrate this holiday in America.

    His amazing voyage would not have been possible without the patronage of the Great and Noble Spanish Monarchs, Isabella and Ferdinand, who expelled both the Islamic and Jewish filth from Spain, thus ushering in the Spanish Golden Age.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  98. Nico says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Well…

    If you think a majority-white U.S. as global hegemon is horrific and barbaric and look forward to an Earth controlled by mestizos, Hindus, Muslims, Africans and Chi-Coms, nothing I can say will convince you.

    But I can guarantee it’s definitely not going to be the Peace-Love-Rock-and-Roll fest that aging hippies or their delusional descendants imagine, not the least because the preeminence of the financial and cultural elite club which has held that illusion above our heads for so many decades and from whence sprang social-libertarian Jews like Noam Chomskey and William Blum has about another generation before it vanishes quietly, victim of its own underbreeding and out-breeding.

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  99. According to History Buffs, Columbus was a wicked man.

    What I find amusing is why the current crop of progs attack Columbus who instigated the mass migrations from the Old World to the New(as well around the world). Don’t the progs see a moral contradiction in condemning Columbus and celebrating mass immigration(which followed from European imperialist conquest of the Americas)?

    Progs say peoples should be mass-migrating all over the world and fundamentally alter the demographics of every nation(except Israel of course). So, Hindus and Chinese should flock to Africa, Africans should flock to Europe, Muslims should head to Europe and Japan, Meso-Americans should move to North America, everyone should move to Canada, and US military should invade and occupy any nation at the behest of Jews.

    Children are taught this from a young age. MOANA says that for a people to stay put in their homeland is DEATH. They must keep sailing and moving around. It says nothing of how one people might invade other lands and commit mass horrors.

    If anyone set off such mass migrations, it was Columbus. If progs really feel that Columbus and the Age of Discovery led to ‘genocide’ of the natives and slave trade, they should condemn migration-ism and uphold nativism. But they keep telling us that all parts of the world should be and must be mass-flooded with newcomers and demographics must be radically altered in every corner of the globe(except in Israel of course). And they say ‘nativism’ is evil because it’s not ‘inclusive’ of invaders. Inclusion-of-Intrusion is the law of globalism(though Jews in Israel are not pressured to include anyone but Jews.)

    Progs make no sense. They condemn white people of wiping out American Indians, but they don’t argue for ending mass immigration and working to revive native American/Canadian Indian communities. Rather, they say US and Canada must be mass-invaded by more peoples so that the natives of the Americas shall lose their lands not only to whites but to the whole world.

    It goes to show there is no logic to Prog Morality. It’s all about screaming about any issue to feel more-virtuous-than-thou in the moment.

    But Jared Taylor isn’t consistent either. If he’s against the Great Replacement, why is he okay with Zionist Nakba pogroms that replaced Palestinians with European Jews?

    • Agree: Robjil
  100. @Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon: If you stay clear of the Smithsonian party line and access various alternative accounts you will discover that Norse swords have been discovered in the St. Lawrence watershed in Ontario and as far westwards as the Ulen-Hitterdal area in northwestern Minnesota. These artifacts likely did not date to the Viking era, but to the seriously devolved (Catholicized) culture of the 1300’s, when the king of the then combined. realms of Norway and Sweden financed and dispatched the Paul Knudson expedition to find out what had happened to the Western Settlement, which had lapsed away from the tyrannical control by their Rome appointed bishop and upped and disappeared. Holy Mother Church was most upset by this and put heavy pressure on the Crown.

    Though officially disparaged by the academicists and court-historians, the Kensington runestone, now reposing in an Alexandria, Minnesota museum contains runes which were still in common use (particularly for etching in stone) in the Christianized era of cultural devolution. You may wish to consult some of the more recent books on the Vikings and their era. Your description of them as “pirates” tends to be a bit dated, as because Norway in particular has very little arable land, many younger sons went aviking and sought their fortunes in overseas voyages. Many of them tended to settle in the lands they came to. Some were after plunder, some sought trade and others were intent on getting a good piece of farmland.

    In England, north and east of Watling Street, the Danes settled in considerable numbers. Some Norwegians settled in Northumbria in NW England, including the original male ancestor of George Washington’s bloodline. Danish settlements in Scotland tended to be mostly south of Edinburgh in the Lothians. Except for the Highlands which had been settled by the Scots from Ireland, much of the rest of Scotia was peopled by Norskies. They form the majority of the population in the Orkney and Shetland islands and were thickly settled in southwestern Scotland including Glasgow, whose citizens to this day are known as “Glaswegians”. Again, the mitochondrial DNA is primarily native to the island of Britain and most probably is primarily Pictish in composition.

    The very word “Ireland” is from the Norse. The Celtic natives called and call it “Eire”. Cork, Limerick and Dublin. were all founded by the “pirates”. They were primarily trading ports. The counties of Waterford and Wexford were and are heavily Norse. That area is the homeland of both the Kennedys and the Fitgeralds–the latter most probably being descended from Norman aristocrats of slightly more likely Danish than Norse ancestry. The famous battle of Clontarf was fought between the leading Irish Chieftan Brian Boru and his Norwegian opponent was one of Norway’s many Haralds. There were Norskies on the Irish “side” and likewise, Norwegians fighting for Boru. A good many of the losers took their Coleens with them and settled Iceland. Thus, the population of that island has both Nordic and Celtic ancestry.

    Normandy: In a massive number of Longships, Norse and Danish vikings had forced the French king to hole up on an island in the Seine, known today as Isle de Cite’ and home to the Notre Dame Cathedral. Things were getting desperate for His Majesty, so he came up with an offer that Hrolof, known to the latter days as “Rollo”, who led the raiders, could not refuse.” Take the lands running south of the Seine estuary and make them your duchy. Just acknowledge me as your king. ”

    As that deal was quite possibly the whole object of the operation, the Viking leader agreed to become Duke of Normandy–Norman translated back to the original Norse, would be “Normanner” or men from the north. Hrolof, in fact, was called “Hrolof det ganger” (Ralph the Walker) as he was so huge that none of the small horses common to More-Nord Romsdalen were capable of carrying him. The lineal, but not legalized by the church, descendant of the Norse leader was known in France as “Guillaume le Batard” (William the Bastard–aka William the Conquerer) from whom the Norman line of English kings were descended. My interest in all of this was piqued by the fact that one of my ancestral lines originated in that part of Norway, where over time, most everybody became related to most everybody else.

    It also needs to be pointed out that the grammar and word-order (as well as countless words) that undergird the English Language is Norse, rather than the Germanic Saxon (which also contributed many words such as “butter” to our common tongue). Do your research and you will discover that the Norsemen were something much larger than simple “pirates”.

    Don’t even get me started on the “Rus” (aka Varangians) who originated mostly in Scania (Scandinavia’s root) and Gotland (land of the Goths) and who essentially created Russia (think Rus) in Kiev and Novgorod and who might would have conquered Constantinople had the Byzantines not possessed “Greek-Fire” –an early day form of napalm against the Varangian longships. After the battle/war, for many decades, those defeated warriors from Sweden were taken in by the rulers of that great city to be his personal security force. They became widely known as the Varangian Guard. They were chosen for their fighting qualities and perhaps even more so for their essential honesty and sense of honor.

    Finally we get to a group of folk-migrants ,mostly from Jutland in Denmark (also the origin for the later Jutes and Angles who settled in England with the latter giving that country it’s name) who moved in on the Po Valley in northern Italy. The Italians came to call them the “Longobardos” (long beards) who gave that monicker to Lombardy. So, if you think Milano, the world capitol of highest fashion and design and the home of La Scalla, consider the number of steps taken by those Scandinavian “pirates” and the heritage they left among so much of European civilization.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Thanks: Poco
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  101. A very interesting theory is that Columbus was of Byzantine Greek descent!

  102. As Prof. Delaney explains, it is impossible to understand Columbus without understanding what committed Catholics thought in the 15th century. Most believed Christianity was the one true faith and that unbelievers went to hell. Evangelism was a duty. Many Christians were millenarians and believed that the End Times and the return of Christ — as described in Revelation — were coming soon.

    Any day now, eh?

  103. Mike Tre says:

    The biggest problem with most opinions of historical figures is that they obliviously analyze those figures through the lenses of modern day moral standards. This is disingenuous at best.
    Columbus was a man of his time, and if he sailed west for riches I’m not really sure why anyone has a problem with it. I get up a 4am everyday to go make a living.
    If he participated in the slave trade so what, it was a perfectly acceptable practice during the time. Did he genocide the natives? I’m not sure, but the Dindus and Nufnins were certainly in the process of genociding each other over on the Dark Rock at the same time, as they had been for who knows how many thousands of years beforehand. He must be judged by the standards of his day, not ours.

    The guy had balls of cold rolled steel, that for sure.

  104. @Bardon Kaldian

    Sorry but your rant is obviously from a Euro anti-Islamic bigot still fighting the last Crusade or the Bosnian war. Your contempt for the civilization across the pond is on broad display, as maybe some Ottoman Janissaries (who were largely of Serbian origin) had possibly once romped into your ancestral village, I dont know and dont really care.

    Probably you are heavily leveraged into Euro ethno self-worship. Most scholars have long admitted that Islamic and Arabic civilization was a key driver into kick starting the Euro Renaissance both for their knowledge contributions which was transmitted largely via Spain and by Western Europe’s drive to overcome the perceived superiority of the Islamic south. Certainly Papal Europe succeeded but without the necessary element of high morality and principles, notwithstanding the Gospels, which failed to prevent the 300 year era of Colonial plunder and barbarism that became manifest in both the Old and New Worlds.

    On a side note, I have to realize that Europe and much of the rest of the world was far better off when it was carved into broad Empires like the Austro-Hungarian, Russian, Germanic, China Han, Arab Mameluke, etc. etc. etc., where were multi-cultural empires than the narrowly focused nation states that sprouted up after the French Revolution. Nationalism if based on etho-centrism alone is pure crap and has done major damage to humanity’s civilizing paradigm that was built up since the ice age. and most probably your mind included. Rooting for my favorite football team should be enough nationalism than rooting for one ethnic state to better another in a brutal war for land.

    Sorry but your listings of civilization contributions of Euro versus Islamic are also very incomplete on both accounts.

    By the way first recorded hospitals were in the Arabian levant. But who cares, humanity is one both the ignorant and knowledgeable, the good and the bad and the false paradigms that are used to divide and conquer humanity.

    The Niletic, Mesopotamian and the Indus Valley civilizations were the first to come out of the stone age while Europe as whole was still into painted faces and the cannibalism up to the 10th century AD. Just ask people of York who were massacred en masse and had for dinner by the Nordesman Vikings. Even in the First Crusade, when Jerusalem fell, the Euro Crusaders (southern and Middle Europeans) not only slaughtered every living person and animal but had them cooked up for dinner, causing great embarrassment and shame to the Pope and clergy in Rome.

    History recalls the Vikings forayed en masse into Andalusia’s Seville city state, then considered civilized world’s jewel before they were thoroughly put down. There may have been many more contributions than we know about from the Islamic-Arabic societies of the Middle Ages, as vast records were destroyed by the Mongols and Reconquistas, among others and many historical facts and contributions remain hidden or were purposely altered or cancelled to this very day.

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    , @Robjil
  105. @meamjojo

    Anyway, this version of the Columbus history make shim look like quite the wonderful guy. Do we have anyone to second the tale?

    Yes, we do. But as he resides in an asylum, and lives next door to the anti-christ, his endorsement might be a bit tacky…

  106. @Nico

    “…If you think a majority-white U.S. as global hegemon is horrific and barbaric and look forward to an Earth controlled by mestizos, Hindus, Muslims, Africans and Chi-Coms, nothing I can say will convince you…”

    False dilemma. None of those peoples, no matter how dysfunctional their countries may be, try to be the “hegemon” of the world (not even China, which is rapidly overtaking the US economically). Was manifest destiny (conquering the whole of continental North America) not enough for you? Apparently not. You want the whole world because you have infinite greed.

    As for Blum’s book about the CIA, you cannot deny that it is a criminal organization, guilty of horrible crimes, even against your own people. Bring back the Mohicans!

    • Replies: @Nico
  107. @GeneralRipper

    The Spanish “golden age” was literally financed by the gold (and silver) stolen from the Indians.

  108. @Bombercommand

    #71

    The Arabs were not the fabulous navigators “woke history” pretends they were, a monsoon along the East African coast blew south half the year then north half the year, the muzzies merely rode it there and back again.

    Just 2 obvious errors where Mr. Bomber Command bombed out:

    Firstly, the Arab trade in East Africa was over 90% spices and timber according to historical researchers from main line universities and not KKK U. Massive slave trade from African needed a plantation mercantile economy which did not exist in the Arab East or Asia. Yes, there was a small slave trade of Africans for what is largely home servants, just as continues today with the maid services from Sri Lanka and the Phillipines.

    Secondly, the Spanish and Portugese ships that made these grand ocean voyages to the West and East were all based on the same Arabian Dhow design (albeit improved and expanded) which sailed the Indian Ocean as far as China and Japan. Even the great Chinese admiral built ships based on the Arabian Dhow design.

    I am sure the Portugese developed these seafaring skills all on their own and ignored all information that was already widespread in Iberia and the Mediterranean based on Arabian advanced mathematics, star navigation and navigation instruments that were developed and in wide use by the Arabian speaking sailors of the time.LOL

  109. R2b says:

    Christopher Columba was apparently a millennarian.
    Interesting.
    Well, thats what the Zionists are, judaic or christian.
    Daß tausendjahriges reich, was long since sought for.
    How odd, when all the christians were already living in it.

  110. @Majority of One

    Thank you very much, MoO, for this and your other comments here. I really like geography, so this was a great one to read.

  111. @Franklin Ryckaert

    The Spanish “golden age” was literally financed by the gold (and silver) stolen from the Indians.

    LOL…Who cares? Those cannibal monkeys didn’t know what to do with it anyway. The Spanish used much of it to build beautiful churches and cathedrals for the Glory of God.

    Of course, your sick fuck Commie filth brethren made sure to steal a good portion during the Spanish Civil War.

    I’m sure they used it to feed the poor and such..lol

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  112. @Tommy Thompson

    Boring.

    For a disinterested reader, I’d recommend a very good book, Murray’s work “Human Accomplishment” (http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=735E143F5E5C9A49FD1188DA457E8287). There, on pages 209+, he lists meta-inventions. Most of them are Western.

    • Artistic realism / Greece, circa –500
    • Linear perspective / Italy, circa 1413
    • Artistic abstraction / France, last half of 19C
    • Polyphony / Central France, 11C–13C
    • Drama / Greece, in the century following –534, and India, date unknown
    • The novel / Europe from 1500, culminating in England, 1740–1749
    • Meditation / India, culminating circa –200
    • Logic / Athens, –4C
    • Ethics / China, India, and Greece, –520 to –320
    • Arabic numerals / India, no later than 8C
    • The mathematical proof / Greece, circa –585
    • The calibration of uncertainty / Europe, 1565–1657
    • The secular observation of nature / Greece and China, circa –600
    • The scientific method / Europe, 1589–1687

  113. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:

    The fools and clowns today that masquerade as professors or scholars of Columbus ignore any documents that might change their knowledge about Columbus because of Confirmation Bias. They’re so filled with hatred of the white race and are so desperate to find information that agrees with what their clown “professors” told them, they don’t want to find out any new information. They’re quite happy to live in their academic bubbles drinking each other’s bath water and to continue babbling to their students the same pablum that they learned in college. Dissident thoughts will not be tolerated because anything that disagrees with their holy word is white supremacy.

  114. @Franklin Ryckaert

    The great Conquistadors were all from Extremadura.

    Cortes, Pizzaro, Balboa etc…

    They were all hardcore MF’ers looking for wealth and glory in the New World.

    Big ol’ balls.

    God Bless em’.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  115. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Supply and Demand

    “the women beautiful,”

    Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, I guess.

  116. @gay troll

    You gon get the GAIDS, boy…lol

    Your immune system will shut down.

    You gonna die slowly, which is designed by the merciful God to give you time to repent.

    • Replies: @God
    , @gay troll
  117. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    All these comments are why Europeans should go back to Europe. Look Arabs, Muslims, just because ONE guy did something Mathematical doesn’t make you all Geniuses. This same rule applies to everyone else. Jews, Einstein built a BOMB, that you all admire, everything else he wrote about cannot be proven, therefore it is a theory and not a fact, E=MC(2) whatever. I can prove the information in the bible is fact, you cannot prove your theories. I can prove it because I exist compared to the only thing you can build is a bomb and the only thing you can write is a theory. There is nothing that any have built that compares to God’s Eden, the best you do is explosive or poisonous. People are violent and so are the cities. Your churches are frauds who don’t worship God but try to be God. Not only do you try to be God but will tell God what God will think. So much of what we have around us is old, calendars, telling time. ship building, wheels, even the ideas for storing information or business you could find in old tablets the Greeks inhabited the middle east for a long time as well those taken as slaves from Russia or other areas.
    For anyone knows Jesus family started out Slavic and was enslaved and brought to areas in Hell where their bones rot in the sun and sand forever on fire.

  118. Dumbo says:
    @Majority of One

    would not have been representatives of the Spanish crown, but from some slightly more civilized and less fanatically Roman Catholic nation. Who knows how the saga of European settlement of the Americas would have transpired under such a different but not improbable scenario?

    Would it change things much? The big difference was only between North America (anglos) and the rest. The Spanish, the French, the Dutch, no difference, all brought a lot of slaves, all of them married and mixed a lot with the natives (and even with the black slaves). Only the anglos were different (and, maybe the French Quebecois). Only the anglos a) almost completely “genocided” the native population without significantly mixing with them and b) mixed very little with the African slaves as well, ending up with a “whiter” population.

    And even that proved useless, because now North America is increasingly becoming more similar to the rest of America (the world?).

    • Replies: @anon
  119. gay troll says:
    @RichardTaylor

    This is the standard retort from critics of Acharya S. It is true that she casts a wide net, and among her exhaustive references are works widely held to spurious. But she provides immense value in citing a wide range of authors and showing us their exact words. She makes a number of claims that are quite imaginative, but she also disclaims in her books that she will take some artistic and editorial license. Those theses that fail to hold water cannot detract from the overall evidence of her research, which is that: 1) there are no eyewitness accounts to the life of Jesus, and historical figures of the 1st century make no mention of a supposedly famous individual. 2) Egyptian, Pagan, Eastern, and Gnostic cults resemble Christian theology in many ways, from the nativity of Horus, to the miracle work of Orpheus, the incarnation of Kristna, and, yes, the crucifixion of Quetzalcoatl. 3) Our four Gospels were not all referenced until 180 CE, which aligns with Luke’s address to Theophilus, and the first Gospel was not referenced until 130 CE. Even with priority, Mark could not have been written any earlier than 70 CE, since it alludes obviously to the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. 4) Early Christians were fierce iconoclasts and tireless forgers who took possession of all Western literature during the dark age and tailored it as they saw fit. Thus it is not always possible to tell what really came first.

    You appeal to historical consensus about Jesus, and Wikipedia duly says he was a real guy, but Wikipedia says a lot of other shit that we know is untrue, about the Kennedy assassination, about 9/11, etc. Wikipedia like every other popular medium in the United States answers to the standards of Zionists, both Christian and Jewish. They have a vested interest in the historicity of Jesus, even among atheists who may reject the supernaturality of the Bible entirely. The thing is, first century Judea was at war with Rome, and they were naming all their kids after the biblical Joshua (aka Jesus) in the hopes that one would actually be their salvation in the form of warrior king. But the Jesus of of Gospels does not save the Jews, he condemns them to judgment and subjugation at the hands of the Romans. All gospels are quite obviously works of literature and not history. This is given away by contradictions including the endless hypocrisy of Jesus Christ in the four Gospels. These books are obviously a satire and I can prove it. If all atheists and agnostics and apathetics understood that Jesus Christ is a mythic character turned propaganda tool, how long would any faith in the Bible survive?

    666, Namaste, hail the One who shines in the heart of all

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  120. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    Do you have some proof of all this mixing and genociding?

  121. Georgia says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Howard Zinn the great BS artist who the Communists who took over Academia now teach as religion….Even he admitted everything he wrote was intentionally one sided to the extreme i.e. it isn’t history but is Communist propaganda.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  122. @Anon

    Crimeny!

    Of course, I respect S&D’s taste in women, as a tolerant man. He can have those 2. Do they have any single distant cousins, say from that tribe Neil Young must have been singing about? See “A Visual Fisking of Cortez the Killer” on Peak Stupidity. Hey, Neil was a hell of a guitar player and wrote some great stuff, but he didn’t have the whole story.

    Here’s the song anyway, just because that long guitar solo is so good:

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  123. Nico says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “…If you think a majority-white U.S. as global hegemon is horrific and barbaric and look forward to an Earth controlled by mestizos, Hindus, Muslims, Africans and Chi-Coms, nothing I can say will convince you…”

    False dilemma. None of those peoples, no matter how dysfunctional their countries may be, try to be the “hegemon” of the world (not even China, which is rapidly overtaking the US economically).

    Clearly, you don’t think – or don’t want to think – China won’t try as soon as she thinks she has a chance at getting away with it. Which admittedly, despite her impressive advances, she might not get, thanks to demographics. (Still, you probably also thought Russia was uninterested in taking the Crimea, either, until she did.) Clearly, you don’t remember – or don’t want to remember – Islam trying all throughout history whenever it has felt confindent enough. Clearly, you either don’t know about or don’t wish to acknowledge the rampant spectacle of the Brahmin diaspora in the Anglosphere acting in the interest of everyone except non-Brahmins. Clearly, you’ve never heard of or don’t care about Miriam Oliphant’s reign of imbecility in Broward County.

    Yep, I was right. Nothing I say could convince you.

    As for Blum’s book about the CIA, you cannot deny that it is a criminal organization, guilty of horrible crimes, even against your own people. Bring back the Mohicans!

    Now you’re the one presenting a false dilemma. I don’t have to like Blum OR the CIA, or for that matter the Mohicans (probably they’re preferable but I’d rather not give up the United States to get them back – just 86 Blum and the CIA will be enough).

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  124. Robjil says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    There was a civilization that still spoke Greek in the 1400s. This civilization had the Greek scholars that fled to Italy after the Turks took it over.

    https://impactofthefallofconstantinople.weebly.com/impact-on-the-renaissance.html

    The Fall of Constantinople directly affected the start of the Renaissance. Many Greek scholars fled Constantinople before and after the fall of the City due to the Ottoman menace They went to Italy, where they were welcomed. They took with them many books and manuscripts written in Greek. In Italy these were translated into Latin, and the information that they contained, much of which was from Classical Greece, nearly a thousand years before, played an influential role in the intellectual life of the Renaissance. Several historians even believe that Columbus himself was born in the island of Chios and immigrated along with many others to Italy as his own writings were in Greek. The influx of scholars and explorers from Greece together with the economic monopoly on Mediterranean trade by the Ottomans helped jump start the age of exploration where the new world was discovered. Even though the Fall of Constantinople was a dark and terrible event, it led to the beginning of the Renaissance, which helped pull Europe out of the Dark ages and into the modern life of the New Age.

    • Disagree: Tommy Thompson
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  125. God says:
    @GeneralRipper

    No it isn’t designed by God. It’s a weakened immune system exposed to disease most likely from Africa. No different than when Europeans brought small pox, Africans and Asians can douse us with their viruses. West Nile virus probably came via Israel.
    Africans bring lots of disease, but not just directly to the US but through Europe.

  126. AceDeuce says:

    negro homosexual Malcolm X used to claim that Columbus was……..a black man. Of course, that’s when Chris was considered a great explorer and hero.

  127. @Achmed E. Newman

    My friend, Neil Young is an excellent songwriter. He is an incredibly creative person.

    However, the words “good” and “long guitar solo” are never to be used in the same sentence with Neil Young.

  128. Greg S. says:

    The conclusion that any objective observer will come to when looking into the history of Columbus is that anything approaching a true, verifiable narrative of what the man actually did is now completely impossible. Because the Columbus story was such a huge propaganda piece right from it’s own contemporary time, through the founding of the USA, to the present day, the stories of Columbus run the full spectrum from tyrant to saint. We have much trouble sifting out the truth from the propaganda, and there have been at least two wholesale population replacements in the impacted areas of the Caribbean (Natives replaced by Europeans, who were then replaced by their own imported black slaves).

    So like most things in today’s fracturing society, everyone gets their own history, just how they like it. Leftists get verified true history that proves Columbus was a white tyrant. The Christian right gets verified true history that proves Columbus was a Christian Saint. Just because it’s how things usually work out in these situations, I think the truth is most likely somewhere in the middle.

    But what seems very, very clear to me is that that “conventional” high school history of the Americas that has been taught to every man and woman in North America for the past 200 years is almost entirely bullshit. The ancient world was not as simplistic and fragmented as we have been led to believe. Even the widely accepted theory that Asians walked over a Bering Straight land bridge during the last ice age, then just walked on down to Patagonia, is now also exposed as bullshit (in case common sense didn’t already expose it). Graham Hancock’s “America Before” is a good starting place for this.

    • Replies: @God
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  129. @Genrick Yagoda

    Neil Young is Canadian, not American, and hostile to Southerners and traditional Americans.

    I do like Cinnamon Girl and Harvest Moon though.

  130. “Most [Catholics] believed Christianity was the one true faith and that unbelievers went to hell. Evangelism was a duty. ”

    Stop right here. That’s enough evidence of the Catholic Christers’ extreme delusion, which often led to unspeakable evil inflicted on non-Christians, particularly Native Americans. Carol Delaney is a disgrace to the American academic establishment.

    Here’s why she is an incompetent, irresponsible, dishonest scholar. Doesn’t she know these facts?!:

    Comparison of the genocide of Native cultures with the Holocaust (based on W. Churchill’s Deconstructing the Columbus Myth)

    GENOCIDE OF THE JEWS. Number killed: about 6 million, in 12 years: 1933-45. (75 per cent of the European Jews)

    GENOCIDE OF NATIVE PEOPLES (TAINO). Number killed: Over 7 million in 8 years: 1493-1500 (100 percent by the end of the 16th century.)

    Genocide of the Jews masterminded mainly by Heinrich Himmler, Adolf Hitler, many other Nazi Christian Germans

    Genocide of the Taino Indians masterminded by Christopher Columbus, Comendador Bobadilla, other Catholic Spaniards

    Methods used in the Holocaust: gassing in concentration camps, executions, labor camps
    medical experiments

    Methods used in the Genocide of the Tainos: slaughter in military campaigns, extreme exploitation (encomiendo), torture (cutting off limbs, burnings), public executions

    The above are, of course, approximations only. Many half-Jews and others were killed but not included in the official count. Many thousands, perhaps millions, of Tainos, Caribs, and others died as a result of slavery and disease. The original number of Tainos cannot be determined with certainty, but about 8 million is a fair guess.

    The Caribbean (Island Arawak) Taino population is genetically extinct.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    , @Rich
    , @Robjil
  131. @Genrick Yagoda

    You must be a fan of his acoustic stuff, Mr. Yagoda. His long guitar solos should not be called “good”. You are right about that. They should be called “great!”

    As I wrote in the Peak Stupidity post I linked to, lyrics don’t really mean squat when you have a good melody and good sound. That’s why I am glad to listen to Cortez the Killer and even Southern Man, as much as the lyrics piss me off.

    Anyway, I beg to differ a bit on Neil Young. You and I are different in the same way as Hey, Hey, My, My is different from My, My, Hey, Hey. Actually, I like his acoustic music just as much as his electric stuff, so if Jared Taylor, Ron Unz, and that guy who should have me on IGNORE by now will forgive me:

    [MORE]

    My, My, Hey, Hey (Out of the Blue):

    and Hey, Hey, My, My (Into the Black):

    Is this the story of Johnny Rotten?

    • LOL: Genrick Yagoda
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  132. Biff says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    “The Christians executed massacres and the most evil cruelties among the Native Americans. They spared neither children nor the elderly, nor pregnant women nor those in child labor, as if they were slaughtering dumb animals. They made bets as to who could slit a man in two or cut off his head or spill out his entrails with one wave of his sword. They laughed as they tore babes from their mothers and dashed their heads against the rocks. They burned the Indians alive, roasting them over a slow fire. They cut off peoples’ hands and hung them around the victim’s neck.”

    With narratives like that you could call it a holocaust and rake in big bucks.

  133. Anonymous[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    modern mexicans are way more than 40% native american, and many puerto ricans Y chromosome is north african, not even close to 90%. congratulations with making up ridiculous random numbers in your head to try and justify the genocide and slaughter the spanish empire undertook

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  134. God says:
    @Greg S.

    For Americans who love America at least before 1960 what difference did it make what kind of man Columbus was? If you love the country and all the different people now in it, would it matter who Columbus was? But if you’re honest and you look around at the shithole your in, maybe you hate Columbus and wish you were back where you belong.

  135. utu says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “Historians are unable to explain an edict by the Pope just two years after Columbus discovered the Caribbean with detailed descriptions that awarded South America’s Atlantic coast to Portugal”

    Nonsense! Only pseudo-historians that cater to wackos. See Treaty of Tordesillas 1494
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas

    “long a meridian 370 leagues west of the Cape Verde islands, off the west coast of Africa”. “The lands to the east would belong to Portugal and the lands to the west to Castile. ”

    They did not know that further south the meridian happened to cut through part of South America (Brazil).

    “The easternmost part of current Brazil was granted to Portugal when in 1500 Pedro Álvares Cabral landed there while he was en route to India. Some historians contend that the Portuguese already knew of the South American bulge that makes up most of Brazil before this time, so his landing in Brazil was not an accident.”

    “Some historians contend” – speculations.

    “The line was not strictly enforced—the Spanish did not resist the Portuguese expansion of Brazil across the meridian.”

    • Replies: @CCG
  136. Rich says:
    @Robert Konrad

    You were trained well to regurgitate the facts as they were forced down your throat. Too bad they didn’t teach critical thinking and the ability to see through propaganda. At least you won’t be arrested in France or Germany for disagreeing with the official story.

    The idea that Adolph Hitler was a Christian is laughable and Himmler, if you’d done 5 minutes of research, was deeply involved in the occult and Germanic paganism. Heaven forbid guys like you ever question anything you’ve been fed.

    • Replies: @gay troll
    , @Robert Konrad
  137. gay troll says:
    @GeneralRipper

    I’m not afraid of death, are you?

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    , @God
  138. @gay troll

    I fear the judgement of a righteous God.

    You should too.

  139. @Larry Romanoff

    You almost had me but then that final paragraph came along.

    The idea of all those European Christians gleefully torturing millions to death for sport. This sounds a lot like the Belguan babies on bayonets lies told by the English to drum up hatred of the Germans a century ago.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  140. Thanks Jared Taylor. I enjoyed that a lot. The people who need to read it won’t and would deny it completely if they did.

  141. @Jefferson Temple

    Except that that report was written not by an enemy of the Spaniards but by a Spaniard himself, Bartolomeu de las Casas.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  142. Seraphim says:

    The suspicion that Columbus was a Marrano, a secret Jew, is not disproved by just claiming that his origins are ‘a mystery’ and scoffing at it.
    But there is no mystery that “Columbus received great assistance from astronomical works prepared by Jews, and from scientific instruments of which Jews were the inventors. Luis de Santangel and Gabriel Sanchez—both Maranos—and Juan Cabrero, of Jewish descent, urged upon Queen Isabella the importance of the plans of Columbus, and were instrumental in securing the funds for the first and second voyages. The expenses of the latter were defrayed almost exclusively out of moneys derived from the confiscated properties of Jews… At least five persons of Jewish blood accompanied Columbus upon his first voyage, among whom special mention must be made of Luis de Torres, who was to have acted in the capacity of interpreter. Torres is said to have been the first European to tread the soil of America, and the first to discover the use of tobacco. He settled and died in Cuba” (Jewish Encyclopedia -s.v. America).
    Luis de Santangel was “recently a Christian, one of those antique Jews who have so greatly helped to enlighten the Christian world, like the Cartagenas of Burgos, for instance, he joined, as is the nature and tendency of his race, the love of the ideal, appropriate to the prophets divinely inspired of the Lord, to the reflective calculations of the schemer and the mathematician” and was “chancellor of the royal household and comptroller general of Aragon”. He advanced from his own pocket the sum of 17,000 florins – nearly 5,000,000 maravedis.
    Gabriel Sanchez, the treasurer of Aragon, was also of a family of conversos and was married to the daughter of Santangel’s cousin. His nephew, Rodrigo Sanchez, was aboard Columbus’s ship as either a surgeon or a veedor (or fiscal inspector).
    Columbus adressed the report of his first voyage to these two personages.
    Another funder of the voyages was the famous Rabbi Isaac ben Judah Abarbanel (or Abravanel).
    Columbus’ ‘Book of Prophecies’ sounds like a Christian-Zionist manifesto.

    • Replies: @Ivan
    , @Ivan
    , @Tommy Thompson
  143. @Anonymous

    Nah, you have no idea what you’re talking about. The bulk of the Mexican population is about 40-45% Amerindian, autosomally, particularly the Mexicans who actually came to this country (mostly northerners). Puerto Rican Y-DNA haplogroups are about 90% Western European. Cite facts next time you make extreme claims.

  144. @GeneralRipper

    The great Conquistadors were all from Extremadura

    Not at all true. Just as many were from Northen Spain. Juan Ponce de Leon, Pánfilo de Narváez, Diego Velázquez de Cuéllar, etc. The Spanish Crown was from the North and naturally so were many of the explorers.

  145. God says:
    @gay troll

    My point was God is not killing people, you’re killing yourselves.

  146. I do have one quick correction for Mr. Taylor that I forgot to include earlier. This is not for the purpose of nit-picking, but just to set the record straight for readers. Here:

    He was a gifted navigator, with a widely admired talent for dead reckoning (navigation without instruments).

    Dead, or “deduced” reckoning does indeed require instruments. On the ocean, this means without reference to the stars, and nowadays, GPS (or LORAN 25 years back).

    The idea is to steer a course very precisely, know one’s speed, and get timings, so that, if you have a good handle on currents, then you will arrive at points that you have calculated to, at times that you’ve calculated. You’ve got to have that compass and the way to measure speed. I’d guess the latter would have involved the use of ropes with floats and knots (hence, speed in “knots”), but I don’t know all those details.

    For flying, dead reckoning was used before GPS and is still taught to flight students to some degree, but they can get away without ever doing it (unfortunately). It’s the same thing, heading must be flown accurately, speed is easy enough to know from the airspeed indicator, and the winds rather than currents must be known as best as possible. Again, timings must be done.

    Just as with sailing via dead reckoning, at some point one needs check points, and that’s called “pilotage” in flying*. For the old-time mariners the “check points” would be obtained by “shooting” of stars with the sextant. The check points must be compared to the dead reckoning calculations to find slight (hopefully!) errors in timing (or position along the course) and position error perpendicular to the course.

    Also, another good comparison, between currents in sailing and winds aloft in flying, is that we must have the best forecasts of those that we can. The check points can be places in which the errors in these forecasts are ascertained.

    Great article. I see VDare has it posted too.

    .

    * Instead of “this star is 37 degrees, 12 minutes above the horizon, etc.” for sailing, it’s “here’s where the railroad crosses the 4-lane highway, and there should be a big pond to the northwest … there it is, etc.”

    • Replies: @orionyx
  147. Brewer says:

    Columbus kept a detailed dairy

    The Nina doesn’t look big enough for cows.

  148. “… Conquest”… “was a gigantic step forward”. How and for whom? Certainly not for those who were conquested! The authors expose their dogmatic historicising that’s says peoples are mere subjects for the interests of academic historiography.

  149. You can always count on the low IQ right winger to defend their thieving pedophile elites, even the “Jewish” ones.

    But I reckon it is fitting that if anyone should be credited with “discovering” the capitalist utopia that is ‘Merica it should be a genocidal thieving pedophile slave trader

    Their reasoning is the same as any thug. Hey, they was just driving through a neighborhood full of old cracka retirees who wouldn’t be much of a fight for a hooptie ride full of crips. So why not? Bring all the homies packin’ 9s and AKs and just take what you want. Kill em all since they just defenseless old crackas. Dumb fucking crackas deserved it since they defenseless against well armed crips. Rape their daughters and take a few hostage to share wit the homies back in the hood.

    Same ones that whine about muh white genocide. Haha. Even when they on the receiving end of the colonizer they still defending them. Hahaha. Cain’t fix stoopid.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  150. Ivan says:
    @Georgia

    He already knows it. Yet keeps repeating it in the hope that he can convince some of the surpassing evil of Columbus.

  151. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim

    I don’t see how that makes him a Zionist. Every Christian has Jerusalem in his heart though largely as a directive principle :To direct one’s thought to the heavenly city.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  152. Columbus was a crypto-Jew.

    Mr. Unz might enjoy researching this. There is convincing if not absolutely dispositive evidence.

    Weirdly, this information tends to be neglected.

  153. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim

    Those savants from the University of Salamanca who were sceptical of Columbus’ plans to end up in Cathay were of course right. Already Eratosthenes two centuries before Christ had computed the circumference of the Earth to within 30 percent. The university people knew this and we’re rightly sceptical of Columbus’ claims that he could outfit his voyage on the cheap. His ships were stuck in the doldrums in the Saragossa Sea for about three (?) weeks and they would have all died in the seas had it not been for providential winds. So whatever it was that put him on course for the Americas it was not the guidance he received from the landlubbers.

    The experimentalists make the discoveries, the theoreticians are like those who assured Columbus that he would end up in Cathay
    — Isidore Isaac Rabi. (quote from memory but I am certain of it’s spirit)

  154. Rogue says:
    @anonymous

    You are right up to a point.

    But one must also live within the realities that exist.

  155. @Nico

    Nico,Nico, Nico: It is never wise to sound out about something where you seem to be abysmally maliinformed. Crimea: Do you know anything about the place beyond the accusations and disinformation peddled over boobtoob noose and similar establishment propaganda propagators? Since the time of the Golden Horde of Gengis Khan’s descendants, the Tatars,an Asiatic breed related to both the Mongol and Turkish peoples, drove out the natives of Crimea and took the place for their own business of the taking and selling of slaves from the Slavic villages in what is now Ukraine.

    In the late 18th Century Catherine the Great’s forces defeated and overcame the Tatars, though without the genocide, and made it part of Russia.

    During the mid 19th Century, Britain and France,both already under total financial control by the Rothschild crime family, became alarmed that Russia under the good Tsar Alexander I, was becoming too powerful, beating the terrible Turks in battle and aiming at liberating Constantinople (Byzantium) from their clutches and returning it to the fold of Christian Orthodoxy while at the same time providing themselves with an outlet to the Mediterranean.

    This would not do, for the Rothschild-driven British imperialist schemes which abided no competition. Also Napoleon III, who was in the process of making himself Emperor in France, sought the approval of the Church of Rome, which has always detested Orthodox Christianity and thus joined in with the Brits in attempting to conquer Crimea to teach Russia a lesson. Some lesson, though shedding thousands of gallons of blood, the Tsar’s legions held strong and managed to hang on to Sebastapol, despite the “gallant heroics” of the Charge of the Light Brigade and all the rest of that Imperial propaganda emanating from the center of world banking in City of London.

    Fast forward to World War Two when numerous German and Romanian divisions lost thousands of soldiers in their conquest of Crimea from the Russian defenders. A couple years later and the tables were turned and it was the turn of the invaders to attempt to follow Hitlers’ orders and hang on til the last possible moment. Tens of thousands of gallons of Russian blood were shed in the many battles for that coveted peninsula.

    Jump a decade to 1954 and the Ukrainian born Nikita Khrushchev decided that since Crimea was suspended beneath Ukraine, that it should become part of the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic.

    Nearly 40 years into the future with the fall of the Soviet Union as a political entity, Ukraine, like most of the SSRs, declared itself to be an independent nation. Their holdings included Crimea, whose population was 75% ethnic Russian. But who cared? Ukraine was a Russian speaking land and had never before considered itself an independent entity. It was a closely aligned independent power which cooperated closely with Russia in virtually every respect.

    Fast forward another 25 years or so and financed by the U$ Department of $tate, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the “Federal” Reserve Bank and its plutocratic owners, a “color revolution” was carried out by Galician fascists, many of whom wore swastika tattoos and similar heraldic symbols. Another huge sum of money was provided by the Rothschild crime clan’s #1 minion/agent/made man, Little Georgie of the $orrow$.

    The legitimate, elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in the Maidan coup d’erat and Ukraine fell into the hands of Porkyshenko and fellow members of the Tribe, with an oddball-seeming alliance with the Galician fascists. Part of the deal that they had made was that that the long-leased Russian naval base at Sebastapol would be turned over to Nato and the U$ Navy. Nothing doing, said the majority Russian population which promptly asked Mother Russia to come in, liberate Crimea from a fascist takeover and retain their naval base instead of it falling into the hands of potential enemies who would have nuclear missiles and planes just a few hundred miles from Moscow.

    So now, Nico, you know the true history of Crimea. Unz Review (so long as Ron is able to maintain it) is one of the best places you can learn about alternative accounts from posters who do what we can to keep the principles of truth, honor, justice and freedom alive in the face of the schemes of the globalist agenda makers.

    • Agree: Robert Konrad
    • Thanks: Genrick Yagoda, orionyx
    • Replies: @Nico
    , @ivan
  156. Rogue says:
    @vot tak

    Do you like being ignored?

    Ha ha.

  157. I’ve never researched pre-Colombian Europeans in the Americas, but evidence is substantial and explains things, like the Mayan civilization. Archeological research is no longer allowed because proving that Europeans were the “first Americans’ would disrupt a massive industry.

    Read about the Kennewick Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
    PBS Nova did a great video before wokeness set in. Even back then, “native” American Indian tribes filed lawsuits to prevent DNA testing of Caucasian remains in fear they might be Europeans.
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/

    And this website about white Indians in Panama is interesting, and has pictures.
    https://hiddennorthamericanarchaeology.blogspot.com/2011/05/white-indians-of-darien-panama-are-they.html

    Search for pre-Clovis about proof that today’s respected archeologists know to avoid.

    Finally, Roman coins found in the Americas https://www.gaia.com/article/out-of-place-artifactss has much of interest.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  158. Rogue says:
    @Ghali

    Whites in Australia created a good, first-world country.

    The wogs created bugger-all.

    Streuth – tis the truth!

    Ain’t the truth inconvenient?

    • Troll: vot tak
  159. @GeneralRipper

    Your “Righteous God” is none other but the ancient Hebrew WarGod, they themselves created and because he was so “sacred” wrote him up as YHWH, containing no interlocutory vowel movements.

    No god in his right mind would tell his “chosen” to advance into Palestine/Canaan and admonish them to kill everyone in sight (excepting perhaps virginal females who would be given unto their usage as sex-slaves. ) Yahweh is a bloodthirsty abomination and should be drowned in a vat of boiling excrement (a traditional Talmudist curse usually cast against the man who described the YahYah gang as “the Synagogue of Satan”.)

    Creator would never pick out one bunch of terminal racists, predators and parasites to be his “Chosen People”. Creator speaks to the heart and does not etch his words into tablets of stone which can readily be cast down and broken up.

    Creator is of love, not of fear. Some claim that hate is the opposite of love. Not so. The antithesis of love is FEAR, which is the foundation of hatred.

    In general, you may rip and you may snort, but this warmed-over drivel emanating from the likes of the heretical James Hagee and his rupture-seeking “christian” Zionists, is not only heretical in the minds of traditional Constantinian Christians, but even more so to those who seek to follow the spiritual path which characterized the Man from Nazareth—the same man who was hung out to dry by the Pharisees and Sadducees for driving the moneychangers out of the temple.

    • Agree: gay troll, Ram
    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  160. @Biff

    What I learned was Columbus went looking for tea and spices in India—that is why the natives were called Indians and there is an Indianapolis in USA and ” Indian Lake” was a great song circa 1968?
    Then the term was expanded to Redskins but this past summer –the name is in the dumpster. Did Torquemada play a role in all of this? Merida Mexico —friars arrived to what was North America’s first University=—were horrified at the book collection in the library and burnt the entire lot—burned for 7 days–.

  161. gay troll says:
    @GeneralRipper

    If you fear the judgment of a righteous God then you must know you are a sinner. I am not a sinner and therefore I fear nothing. I know Christ intimately because I know the true Christ is a discarnate spiritual power and not a dead Jew on a stick. I welcome the judgment of God.

    Hail Lucifer, the true Christ of God

    And burn your book of lies. Shalom.

  162. @Anon

    I think the word S&D meant to use was “unclothed.”

  163. gay troll says:
    @Rich

    Hitler may not have been Christian but he and Jesus Christ are the two most notorious “anti Semites” in history.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  164. My earlier comments about the genocides in the Americas unleashed by Columbus appear to have yet again brought out the renowned experts who appear to have acquired their vast knowledge from a quick reference to the universally-aclaimed oracle of Wikipedia. A few took particular exception to my statement of 125 million total deaths.

    .

    “The world population is estimated to have been [only] 500 million in the year 1500.”

    True, but it more than doubled in the next 300 years and those 125 million were not exterminated in one day in 1500. Moreover, these genocides have a powerful political component and it is almost impossible to find “historians” lacking motivation to badly underestimate the numbers. Let me remind those of you who object, that the “official” US estimate of Asian fatalities from Vietnam is 1 million, while Asia’s claims are more than 5 million. And all the photos of the horribly-deformed babies still being born today from Agent Orange are just “anti-Americanism”.

    As further evidence, the “official” US numbers for forced sterilisations in America is about 30,000 on the high side. But a few years ago a young woman thoroughly researched this topic for her Master’s Degree at an American university and produced voluminous documentation that the total was actually in the millions, primarily but not exclusively in the native and black populations.

    One university research website claims the entire population of all South and Central America, including Mexico, was less than 9 million in 1850. “Where were these fantastic cities with modern food cultivation and delivery . . .”. And even if they were exterminated, “It wasn’t intentional”, and besides “They died from contagious diseases”.

    “There were only 5 million native Americans” (or 6 million, or 10), but the stated evidence is questionable at best and some respected researchers have placed this number at well above 20 million.

    ” . . . there has to be some evidence. Just like with the ‘Holocaust’, mere assertions are not enough.”

    True, but I wasn’t writing a Ph.D. thesis. I was making a brief comment on an article. If evidence is important in comments, that requirement applies also to you, no?

    .

    “Howard Zinn the great BS artist who the Communists who took over . . .”

    It would seem Zinn wasn’t the only one.

    .

    “You almost had me but then that final paragraph came along. The idea of all those European Christians gleefully torturing millions to death for sport.”

    Las Casas wrote those diaries, not me. And he wasn’t the only one who documented such atrocities.

    .

    The great surprise, as I’ve stated before, is that it is only Americans who have so little disregard for the truth. Opinions qualify as fact, wishful thinking qualifies as fact. Undocumented accusations qualify as fact. Ignorance masquerades as knowledge. Almost everyone from the President, through the media, and through the educational system, are taught from birth that the truth consists of whatever makes you feel good to be an American. And that’s why bad money drives out the good.

    “O wad some Power the giftie gie us / To see oursels as ithers see us!”

    • Replies: @Ivan
    , @Rich
  165. orionyx says:
    @gay troll

    I’d be very interested in chromosomal studies confirming your assertion that we are all children of God.
    I’d be particularly interested in the DNA of individuals asserted to be mestizos of god. Jesus comes to mind.

  166. @Achmed E. Newman

    I actually think very highly of Neil young, both acoustic and electric. I quite like his rock stuff, even though his guitar solos remind me of someone interrogating a cat. But that aside, he’s great.

    @Larry Romanoff.

    You simply don’t understand how preposterous this “125 million” number is, whether one year of 500.

    NA had scattered bands of uber violent stone agers forming its population prior to 1492. There were THOUSANDS, perhaps 1 million Siberians. But not more, and you have no evidence to the contrary.

  167. orionyx says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If dead reckoning requires a good knowledge of elapsed time, it was impossible before the invention of the chronometer during the 18th century, so how did Columbus do it?

    Just asking – it’s 12.35 a.m. here and I’m too tired to look things up.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @utu
  168. @Franklin Ryckaert

    And it also isn’t quantitative. That paragraph could actually fit in with Jared Taylor’s article. It states that Columbus had difficulty restraining those in his company who desired to commit violence toward the natives. Doesn’t say how many or for how long, and Columbus was not an instigator. I’m willing to believe that there were plenty of Spaniards who weren’t bloodthirsty monsters, but some were.

  169. @Carlton Meyer

    The “white” Indians of Panama are ALBINOS, not racially white people.

  170. @gay troll

    1) there are no eyewitness accounts to the life of Jesus, and historical figures of the 1st century make no mention of a supposedly famous individual.

    Well, he probably wasn’t famous to anyone who mattered at the time. There were lots of guys claiming to be messiahs.

    2) Egyptian, Pagan, Eastern, and Gnostic cults resemble Christian theology in many ways, from the nativity of Horus, to the miracle work of Orpheus, the incarnation of Kristna, and, yes, the crucifixion of Quetzalcoatl.

    But, they are also, very, very different.

    3) Our four Gospels were not all referenced until 180 CE, which aligns with Luke’s address to Theophilus, and the first Gospel was not referenced until 130 CE. Even with priority, Mark could not have been written any earlier than 70 CE, since it alludes obviously to the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

    True as far as I know. I don’t know that it proves much one way or the other.

    4) Early Christians were fierce iconoclasts and tireless forgers who took possession of all Western literature during the dark age and tailored it as they saw fit. Thus it is not always possible to tell what really came first

    .

    I’m sure there is truth in that. Although, it was probably true of pretty much every religion.

    If all atheists and agnostics and apathetics understood that Jesus Christ is a mythic character turned propaganda tool, how long would any faith in the Bible survive?

    This seems to be the motivation behind a lot of Myth proponents: They’re going to take Jesus down in one fell swoop. Heady stuff. Maybe more of a narcissistic desire than actually grounded?

    • Agree: Ivan
    • Replies: @gay troll
    , @Ivan
  171. Ivan says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    In fact the world population didn’t approach one billion until after the Industrial Revolution made higher food production possible along with far superior disease control than existed for millennia. But try telling that to the Zinn crowd – almost all of whom would not be around had it not been for the advances pioneered by the great white men of the past.

  172. Ivan says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Don’t obfuscate man. You are totally ridiculous. To have 125 millions we must have evidence of large scale cultivation to support that high a population. The entire Indian subcontinent had only about 500 millions when the Brits left in 1947 Today including Pakistan and BD the population is @1.7 billion all of which is possible only through modernity. Try in your old age to inform yourself.

  173. Nico says:
    @Majority of One

    All very interesting of course but you missed the point. I don’t particularly care whether Crimea is Ukrainian or Russian speaking in moral terms. What I do know is that certain Russophile armchair geostrategists made the point in the 2000s that there was no realistic possibility of Russia inching its borders westward and this was one of a number of arguments forwarded for a lighter or abolished U.S. military engagement in Europe.

    It’s one thing to argue we should get out of NATO; it is one thing to believe an expansionary Russia is a good or neutral thing. It is quite another matter to deny that she has expansionist and great power ambitions. That was my point, and my only point, as an analogy to my other examples, and I have to say the fact that you jumped from Machiavellian observations to moral apologetics for the 2014 incident is telling.

    • Replies: @Ivan
    , @Majority of One
  174. Seraphim says:
    @Ivan

    Every Christian has the Heavenly Jerusalem in his heart. The New Jerusalem descended from on high when God decides: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God”.

    Columbus had the earthly Jerusalem in his heart and that is what makes him a ‘Zionist’. That he was an adept of the Judeo-Christian messianic ‘prophecies’ that the reconquest of Jerusalem was the condition for the second coming of Jesus makes him a ‘Christian Zionist’.

    In his Diario “He says he wanted to find enough gold and the almost equally valuable spices―in such quantity that the sovereigns…will undertake and prepare to go conquer the Holy Sepulchre; for thus I urged Your Highnesses to spend all the profits of this my enterprise on the conquest of Jerusalem”
    And he prayed:
    “O God, who without ostentatious clamor or effort teaches the heart of humankind and who makes stammering tongues eloquent and who is ever ready to come near at the opportune time, please consider the thoughts of our minds and be favorably inclined toward our desires. For we, inasmuch as we are limited in human knowledge, have indeed fathomed your power, because, O Lord, blessed is the one you teach and to whom you make known your law. We beseech you, O Lord, to enlighten our minds concerning what has been written about you and about your Holy Place – instructions, books, and prophecies – under the inspiration of the Spirit. Amen”.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  175. @Robjil

    #125
    Maybe what you say was a minor contributor to the Renaissance at best. Keep in mind the Greek Byzantines hated Western Rome and and the Papacy for sacking and occupying Constantinople. There was no love lost between East and West even on a personal level. The Crusaders actually slaughtered the Byzantines on more than one occasion and even occupied Greece proper. Greeks blame Western Rome for Constantinople’s fall to the Ottoman Sultan, who then tried to curry favor of the Greeks. So I am suspicious of your claims. Anyways Byzantium by itself was not so advance and into questioning everything. What you say is more of the same tired out Euro centric claims that they did all scientific and philosophical accomplishments all by themselves.

    Arab philosophers, and there many , and more more whose works were lost, working in the Ancient Greek traditions, had been questioning on matters of the universe that the stilted Byzantines or Romans, who had to dogmatically follow the precepts of their Church masters or face Inquisitors or burning at the stake.

    Just for starters, Spanish Arabs brought the zero and Arabic numerals, where would the Renaissance be without those. Arabic medical texts were still the basis of American medical texts in colonial America. Star navigation was an Arab invention. When Toledo was conquered by the Reconquista, the few real Euro scholars set out there to read the Arab texts and they undertook a massive translation project, Most Arab books and manuscripts which the Church got hold of were torched.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
    , @PolarBear
  176. @Seraphim

    #144

    But there is no mystery that “Columbus received great assistance from astronomical works prepared by Jews, and from scientific instruments of which Jews were the inventors.

    I am not going into a debate of Columbus’ ancestry or his motives and accomplices let along what his accomplishments were (good and bad), I will leave that for others..

    However, in the Middle Ages the dominant sailors in the Med were Saracens and it is well known that they developed navigation instruments and star charts for navigation and were the foremost navigators of the time. Jews by their Rabbis and teachers were prohibited from science and research by their own accounts until the Jewish enlightenment in the 18th century onwards. They were not known as sailors, scientists or inventors by their own accounts in the recovered Andalusian sources, unless you have some new information. The Jews were a small community within the greater Arab Islamic Andalusian statelets.

    Even in my American grade school we were taught that Columbus had a Moor for a navigator.

    Of course history always needs a re-make to fit into the current politically correct and new world view being promulgated.

    • Thanks: Ivan
    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
    , @Seraphim
  177. ivan says:
    @Majority of One

    All those who were opposed to Yanukovitch had only to wait for an election to have him removed. Instead with financing from the West, they overthrew the constitutional government. But according to the propagandists from the West the Russian speaking Donbass were the “rebels” for not going along with a naked usurpation of power. The Nulands and the Kogans got their pound of flesh alright, but at the cost of many lives needlessly lost due to the utter cynicism of the West and its minions.

    • Agree: Ram, Peripatetic Itch
  178. @Larry Romanoff

    #12

    Las Casas, the distinguished Spanish priest and historian, documented numerous accounts of the atrocities and horrors perpetrated by the new American colonialists against the peaceful and compassionate indigenous natives, including hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog food. He wrote this in the early 1500s, almong the first days of the European settlers in the New World:

    “The Christians executed massacres and the most evil cruelties among the Native Americans. They spared neither children nor the elderly, nor pregnant women nor those in child labor, as if they were slaughtering dumb animals. They made bets as to who could slit a man in two or cut off his head or spill out his entrails with one wave of his sword. They laughed as they tore babes from their mothers and dashed their heads against the rocks. They burned the Indians alive, roasting them over a slow fire. They cut off peoples’ hands and hung them around the victim’s neck.”

    The barbarism of the Conquistadors was renowned before they even got to the new world. Their training was in the Reconquista of Islamic Spain, which is largely a forbidden topic unless it is to highlight the destruction of the minority Jewish community or their suffering in the Inquisition, as it seems only they alone are worthy of suffering and redress.

    The brutality of the ethnic cleansing of Southern Spain has been basically cancelled from history, both by Catholic Spain and by Islamic Scholars of the time, the former because it makes the Church appear as the ideological monsters that they were, and the latter because as the vanquished, they did not like to appear weak and incapable in front of an adversary that they perceived as a backward and albeit more violent culture.

    The native / indigenous Americans had little chance against the Spanish Conquistadors, with their centuries of engrained violent barbarism. Their crimes could be easily absolved by their Priestly companions in a Confession or better ordained to be without sin or as a religious duty as the victims whether Muslims, Jews or native American or African were cast as heathens and infidels, destined for hell fire.

    Some of this story line is still recurring to this very day with our newly energized American Evangelical Movement, which says it is our duty to war on the Arab – Muslim Middle East, barbarism and Abu Ghraib torture rape centers aside, as their is a Millennial task ahead in furtherance of their second altar to worship, the many times Promised Land of Israel , the New State of Zion.

  179. Rich says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    “Howard Zinn the great BS artist”, yeah, you’ve joined him. At least you’ve revealed yourself and no one has to waste their time on anything else you write.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  180. @Larry Romanoff

    …including the entire Maya, Inca and Aztec civilisations…

    Literally LOL.

  181. Ram says:

    However one looks at Colombus he was in all probability a far better human being (in his day) than those “enlightened” savages who ran Abu Gharaib in the recent past..

  182. anon[796] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The Natives chased them off in a single year from Canada although one Norse child was born in Newfoundland. The settlement lasted all of one year.

    Some genetic markers of Norse do appear in Micmac Indians in Maine which suggest that suggest possibly one or two Viking males sired children with Native women.

    Indisputably a Beothuk woman, possibly more, accompanied Vikings from Iceland to Canada. It was quite possibly a kidnapping.

    It appears that a few Labrador Native American kids were kidnapped and taken back to Iceland as well.

    “Skraeling” is not a nice word in old Norse vernacular.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  183. @orionyx

    See, you know that it’s 12:35 AM exactly, but you are quite right that Christobal Columbus couldn’t have known that. ;-}. There is a great book simply called “Longitude”*, that details the search for a long-term accurate clock. However, with the old hourglasses and what-have you, I was thinking more like being right within 1/4 of a day after 2 weeks of sailing vs. to the minute or even hour.

    That would still have been pretty good for finding out if one were way off, due to the estimates of the currents being wrong, or whatever errors could have been introduced in the dead reckoning nav. Once making landfall, no, one could not get a positive positional information from the sextant without a long-term accurate clock. You know where the sun and the stars are, but without the time and any communications, you got nothing.

    I hope you will get that book if you like this sort of thing, OrionX. One more thing which I can’t remember, but I think was discussed in that book, was the use of astronomy to observe celestial events that happen, of course, at the same time, no matter where one is on the Earth observing them. Ephemeris tables could be brought by the ship’s scientist so that longitude can be determined on the spot to help in mapmaking and further navigating. Failing that, at least all the information can be recorded by said officer and the positions could have been determined later on (at Royal Society meetings and such) once the sailors got back to civilization.

    Peak Stupidity, in a couple of posts that don’t discuss stupidity at all, but clever science, has 2 posts about this neat idea: Eclipses and the Galilean Moons of Jupiter in the Age of Exploration and Part 2.

    Anyway, I also appreciated your earlier comments in this thread, OrionX. Thanks for bring up this point.

    .

    * I also don’t feel like looking stuff up all the time, but I don’t have as good an excuse!

    • Thanks: orionyx
  184. Anonymous[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    “Listen to Howard Zinn”

    Debunking Howard Zinn: Exposing the Fake History That Turned a Generation against America

  185. @Truth

    In order to start unearthing the real story, one must start by asking, on such small, space-lacking vessels, why did Columbus bring not one, not two but THREE Hebrew translators…

    And in general, in my experience, it always helps to start with the most well-established facts relating to the issue. With that in mind, we should note that on March 31, 1492, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella issued their edict of expulsion for some 200,000 Spanish Jews, with deadline to leave set for July 31. Columbus, on the other hand, who had received his funding for the trip not from Isabela but from two converso Jews, was scheduled to leave two days later but was actually delayed until August 3. Columbus had five known Jews in senior positions in his crew. Reasonable people should then perhaps ask whether a rather more substantial part of his crew were not also expelled Jews.

    Simon Wiesenthal believed Columbus was actually a Jew who was motivated to find a safe haven for the expelled Jews and to liberate Jerusalem not for Christians but for the Jews:

    Columbus, who was known in Spain as Cristóbal Colón and didn’t speak Italian, signed his last will and testament on May 19, 1506, and made five curious – and revealing – provisions.

    Two of his wishes – tithe one-tenth of his income to the poor and provide an anonymous dowry for poor girls – are part of Jewish customs. He also decreed to give money to a Jew who lived at the entrance of the Lisbon Jewish Quarter.

    On those documents, Columbus used a triangular signature of dots and letters that resembled inscriptions found on gravestones of Jewish cemeteries in Spain. He ordered his heirs to use the signature in perpetuity.

    According to British historian Cecil Roth’s “The History of the Marranos,” the anagram was a cryptic substitute for the Kaddish, a prayer recited in the synagogue by mourners after the death of a close relative. Thus, Columbus’ subterfuge allowed his sons to say Kaddish for their crypto-Jewish father when he died. Finally, Columbus left money to support the crusade he hoped his successors would take up to liberate the Holy Land.

    Estelle Irizarry, a linguistics professor at Georgetown University, has analyzed the language and syntax of hundreds of handwritten letters, diaries and documents of Columbus and concluded that the explorer’s primary written and spoken language was Castilian Spanish. Irizarry explains that 15th-century Castilian Spanish was the “Yiddish” of Spanish Jewry, known as “Ladino.” At the top left-hand corner of all but one of the 13 letters written by Columbus to his son Diego contained the handwritten Hebrew letters bet-hei, meaning b’ezrat Hashem (with God’s help). Observant Jews have for centuries customarily added this blessing to their letters. No letters to outsiders bear this mark, and the one letter to Diego in which this was omitted was one meant for King Ferdinand.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/20/opinion/garcia-columbus-jewish/index.html
    https://www.israel365news.com/85655/christopher-columbus-jew-led-belief-prophet-isaiah/

    This is the official story of Columbus which is foolishness.

    Exactly.

    • Replies: @Truth
  186. @anon

    Indisputably a Beothuk woman, possibly more, accompanied Vikings from Iceland to Canada

    What??? The Beothuk were “native” to Newfoundland. And yes, the Norse referred to them as Skraelings ( filthy pests) when they found them. In Newfoundland, not Iceland.

    Incidentally, the Beothuk were eaten off the face of the earth by their enemies, the Mic’Mac savages.

  187. gay troll says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Well, he probably wasn’t famous to anyone who mattered at the time. There were lots of guys claiming to be messiahs.

    The fame of Christ is incessantly asserted by the Gospels. Christ was famous not so much because he was a great teacher, but because he was a great healer and exorcist. Matthew says “his fame went throughout all Syria” (4:24) and he was followed by great multitudes “from Galilee, Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea, and beyond Jordan” (4:25) to which Mark adds Tyre and Sidon. An entire city comes to meet Jesus (Matthew 8:34). Mark raises even more starkly the issue of Christ’s fame. Mark says after Jesus healed a man with an unclean spirit, “immediately his fame spread abroad throughout all the region” (1:28). After numerous healings, Simon tells Jesus “All men seek for thee” (1:37). At the end of the first chapter of Mark, Jesus is so famous he cannot enter into a city, and still supplicants flock to him in the desert (1:45). Jesus must endure the “press of multitudes” (2:1). Jesus is recognized by the citizens of Gennasaret immediately upon disbarking his ship (Mark 6:54). Jesus tries to hide from the multitudes, but “cannot be hid” (Mark 7:24). He constantly tells his followers and beneficiaries not to talk about his miracle work, but this only encourages them to publish it more (Mark 7:36). Even the tetrarch Herod views Jesus as a celebrity (Luke 23:8).

    The problem with the fame of Christ, as predicated on his ability to heal, is that is contradicted elsewhere. Most notably, at the height of Jesus’s fame, Judas must betray him to the authorities by marking him with a kiss. Why cannot Jesus simply be recognized by his persecutors? When Peter denies Christ, Peter is recognized by random passerby. Yet the scribes could not recognize their celebrity antagonist and needed Judas to betray him? The other argument against Christ’s fame is his lack of citation outside of the New Testament. Neither Philo nor Seneca mentions the advent of Jesus Christ, nor does any eye witness to the 1st century. Josephus makes a couple of passing references to Christ, but these are suspected of interpolation, and a passing reference in an otherwise voluminous historical corpus is hardly reflective of a world famous individual.

    The Gospels are obviously unreliable as history, and in many other aspects reveal themselves to be purely literary works. They cannot be used to justify the historicity of Jesus Christ. So please tell me, what is the strongest evidence of Jesus Christ’s existence?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @RichardTaylor
  188. Truth says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    You are certainly onto the truth, My Friend.

  189. @Greg S.

    But what seems very, very clear to me is that that “conventional” high school history of the Americas that has been taught to every man and woman in North America for the past 200 years is almost entirely bullshit.

    That’s actually true for a lot more things besides high-school history, including much university-level history and much of what passes for science these days. If you can’t point to a significant advance in technology from some idea, you can have little confidence in its truth. We depend on so-called experts for everything but you only get to be designated an expert if you can induce a journalist or some of your peers to call you one. The inducements can be as often financial (i.e. bribery), intimidation or blackmail as intellectual persuasion. Journalists of course have no expertise whatever in recognizing expertise.

    Where I disagree with you is your surmise that the truth is likely to be somewhere in the middle. That assumes that there is some left to right spectrum of ideas, which is quite unsupportable in logic or history. What you always actually have is a finite and limited number of more or less well-established facts in an idea space of several, if not many, dimensions, which correspond in math to a finite number of points in four-dimensional space. Just as in the mathematics, there is an infinite number of curves that can be drawn through those points, so will there be an infinite number of theories that could potentially explain your set of facts. Assuming the correct one is somewhere in the middle is akin to assuming the earth is at the center of the universe. It may well appeal to your sense of compromise or dialectical fairness but it has no logical validity.

  190. utu says:
    @orionyx

    “If dead reckoning requires a good knowledge of elapsed time…” – Only short periods of time. An hour glass would do. This is not the same as determination of absolute longitude but determination of distances in all directions determined by magnetic compass. Though some belief that secretly Columbus also was determining latitude using stars and kept it secret not in his log.

    Since he travelled in the area he did not have a map of all needed were relative distances in units defined by his rope and time piece so he could draw a map in these units and use it to navigate during his return trip.

    http://columbuslandfall.com/ccnav/dr.shtml
    In Columbus’s day, the ship’s speed was measured by throwing a piece of flotsam over the side of the ship. There were two marks on the ship’s rail a measured distance apart. When the flotsam passed the forward mark, the pilot would start a quick chant, and when it passed the aft mark, the pilot would stop chanting. (The exact words to such a chant are part of a lost oral tradition of medieval navigation). The pilot would note the last syllable reached in the chant, and he had a mnemonic that would convert that syllable into a speed in miles per hour. This method would not work when the ship was moving very slowly, since the chant would run to the end before the flotsam had reached the aft mark.

    Speed (and distance) was measured every hour. The officer of the watch would keep track of the speed and course sailed every hour by using a toleta, or traverse board. This was a peg-board with holes radiating from the center along every point of the compass. The peg was moved from the center along the course traveled, for the distance made during that hour. After four hours, another peg was used to represent the distance made good in leagues during the whole watch. At the end of the day, the total distance and course for the day was transferred to the chart.

    Columbus was the first sailor (that we know of) who kept a detailed log of his voyages, but only the log of the first voyage survives in any detail. It is by these records that we know how Columbus navigated, and how we know that he was primarily a DR navigator.

  191. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim

    Thanks for the quote. I suppose by your reading that makes him a Zionist. But I would imagine his zeal for Zion was no different from that of Queen Isabella or Miguel Cervantes, that is to restore the traditional lands of Christianity to Christendom. But I get your point .

  192. Ivan says:
    @Nico

    You can’t blame the Russians for holding the Americans and Europeans to the implied deal that peacefully dismantled the Warsaw Pact, which is that NATO should not expand its boundaries. The Russians for the foreseeable future would struggle to hold on to what they already have. They don’t have the population size to effectively defend their borders without the threat of bringing in nuclear weapons. See for example their inability to insert forces to aid the Armenians in Nagorno Karabakh. Times have changed.

  193. Ivan says:
    @RichardTaylor

    It’s a little odd for the Jesus is Myth crowd to claim that none of the Gospels could be dated before AD 70 when it is Jesus himself who in the Gospels predicts the destruction of the Temple. This of course denies any prophetic value to the Gospels by definition. Quite a neat trick.

    As far as I am aware the peripetatic St Paul did not refer to the destruction of the Temple in his exhortations to the Jews to accept Jesus which he logically should have done if he were writing after AD 70 or thereabouts. His activities are dated to AD 53. Nor do the contemporaneous Acts of the Apostles refer to the same. But of course if it is all a fevered creation from AD 200 then all bets are off. LOL!!

  194. Truth says:
    @gay troll

    Jesus was famous amongst Jews not Euro-Gentiles. Jesus was only a public figure for three years in an era well before visual media and there is no reason to believe that garden-variety Jupiter-worshippers would be able to pick him out of a room of 13 people who looked somewhat like him.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  195. @Nico

    Nico: Are you an independent, freestanding individual or do you have any connection with U$ agencies connected with the deep state, or with a think-tank or foundation? I do need to know with whom it is that I’m communicating.

    To the best of my discernment and observations Russia does not have any expansionist ambitions. The case for her return to great power status as a balancing counterpoint to the imperialist regime headquartered in the tripartite nexus of City of London,Wall $treet and the District of Corruption is well buttressed. So long as the imperialist agenda includes financing and arming “insurgencies” by mercenary forces upon Syria, Libya and on and on as well as maintaining military bases in over a hundred nations across the planet; the need for an equal but opposite balancing force hardly needs explanation.

    The 2014 incident, as you describe it was a strategically planned, deliberate overthrow of a lawfully elected government of a nation which by that action became a vassal state to the imperial agenda. “Machiavellian” is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. As a long-term student of geostrategic affairs and of meta-politics; my “apologetics” is purely anti-imperialist.

    Do you deny that the puppet regime in the Di$trict of Corruption (aka The United $tate$ of America Corporation,duly recognized as of 1988 under the corporate laws of the state of Delaware) is an expression of Mussolini’s definition of fascism as the amalgamation of corporate and state power and that its ambitions are as the Global Robocop for the central bankster globalist dominion agenda?

    • Replies: @Nico
  196. @Ivan

    Creation of Roman Christianity by the Emperor Constantine and his stooges such as Eusibius was finalized in the 315 to 325 Anus Dominated era. Under imperial dictum his “scholars” were enjoined to re-design the Jesus movement and the many competing Christianities of that day into an organized religion to serve as a buttress of state power.

    Many scriptures, including the “Apocrypha” were eliminated from consideration as some of them propounded reincarnation and other values and precepts which were anathema to the official “Bible” as being the Word of God and what became over time the doctrine of Original Sin and its concomitant that Jesus was hung out to dry to “save us from our sins”. Bullshit!!!

    Recently I have read the Gospel of Thomas and am aware of the other Nag Hamadi texts, which are of a spiritual and Gnostic perspective. It has been pointed out by 19th Century scholars that many of the books attributed to Paul, the Psychedelicized Pharisee, may well have originated in the writings of Apollonius of Tyana. As for the old adage “Gospel Truth”, we have only the bookburners’ word for their possible veracity.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  197. gay troll says:
    @Ivan

    St Paul in fact confirms none of the biographical details of the Gospels. He tells us nothing of the life or teachings (or “prophecies”) of Jesus Christ. The point you make only reinforces the fact that the Gospels were created much later in time. Paul in fact has little if any concept of “Jesus”, he only conceives of Christ and resurrection. Christ is cognate with the Egyptian KRST and Hindu Krstna which signifies the incarnated God, the anointed King or Pharaoh, the black and all-attractive mummy infused with resin and ready to be restored to life. Christ is a Greek word and concept that was used as a translation for the Hebrew word Messiah since 250 BCE.

    Jesus didn’t predict Titus, rather Jesus Christ was invented after Titus claimed victory and is the prime example of historical fiction serving to propagate religion. He is a hypocrite and a joke! He is not really the messiah of the Jews. To be the Messiah of the Jews, Jesus must be the seed of David. And in fact, two gospels provide a detailed lineage linking David to Joseph. But these two proofs contradict each other entirely, and furthermore, Joseph contributed no seed to Jesus, who was born to his virgin mother and a holy wind. Jesus himself refuses to confirm or deny that he is the messiah; when someone calls him Christ, Jesus says “thou hast said it.” Jesus Christ only appears to be a Jew! He says he has only come to minister to the Jews, who he says are evil sinners. He says he has come to fulfill the law of Moses, but every one of his teachings contradicts the law of Moses entirely. Jesus preaches a rejection of materialism, society, family, and foresight. He tells his followers not to resist their enemies, and to give away every last shekel. He encourages them to follow him to their death. He implies that YHWH is Satan. He says the Son of Man will return within a generation to pass judgment on Jerusalem. Titus sacked the city 40 years after the alleged cruxifixion. Jesus compares the Son of Man to a thief who cannot announce the hour when he will come to rob a man and spoil his house. He is drawn so as to deify Titus and glorify Imperial rule over the “promised land”.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  198. @GeneralRipper

    Yeah, “Bobby” is. And he ain’t done yet, and you ain’t heard the last from him yet. So don’t slink away like a cad.

    • LOL: GeneralRipper
  199. @Rich

    Hey Rich, Amigo,

    Don’t throw a red herring and don’t beat a dead horse–if I may mix up metaphors so that there’s a chance you will understand. The main purpose of my post (indeed the only one) was to point out some factual information about the two genocides. If you think that leading German Nazis were not Christian enough, then that is fine with me. I couldn’t care less, for example, if Himmler was a proto-New-Age, pseudo-Pagan moron. The Nazis represented Germany, a Christian nation to a large extent, infected mostly by Lutheran and Catholic plagues.

    Ergo: Christers (Catholic and Protestant) are responsible for masterminding the genocide of Native Americans (Tainos) and of the European Jews respectively.

    Since you are just another certified Christer, you cannot think straight and are therefore lashing out stupidly against anything that offends your Christian moronic religious beliefs. But don’t quit it. If you continue to read some UNZ posts, you might still recover from the sickness.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @RichardTaylor
  200. @Majority of One

    My point was that the Old Norse word víkingr is derived from vík, a small bay or inlet. Víkingr was a person related to small bays or inlets. Most of the Norse raids were into settlements in small bays and inlets, which often had been visited by Norse traders previously, who took home detailed information about the area.
    A few years ago I read a book written by a retired Icelandic meteorologist (sorry, cannot recall his name of the name of the book, it´s here somewhere). He studied the Sagas for descriptions of the journeys to Vinland, paying attention not just to land formations and vegetation, but weather and current descriptions. He then set out to identify these sights from a boat and land. He identified several sites in Nova Scotia, including the Bay of Fundy. One of the interesting things about the Kensington runestone is that the river closest to where the stone was found, had changed course several centuries earlier.
    I have long said that we know very little about early migrations, much less ancient migrations. The History Channel has had a series The Curse of Oak Island running for several years. To date, they have found many artifacts of European origin well before the area was supposed to have been ‘discovered’, including evidence of a stone built quay from the 13th century.

    • Thanks: Majority of One
  201. Ivan says:
    @gay troll

    Whether St Paul confirms all the biographical details is irrelevant. You may consider the motormouth of Tarsus to be the real inventor of Christianity if you wish as so many others have done. The point is Paul was preaching about Jesus before the destruction of the Temple. That in itself undermines a whole raft of rubbish the Jesus is Myth people put out. The destruction of the Temple was foretold by Jesus in St Luke’s Gospel. Luke was himself a younger companion of St Paul in his later years.

  202. Nico says:
    @Majority of One

    Nico: Are you an independent, freestanding individual or do you have any connection with U$ agencies connected with the deep state, or with a think-tank or foundation? I do need to know with whom it is that I’m communicating.

    No, I’m not. If I were you might be right to be worried that I’m stupid enough to think infiltrating you would be worth government time and taxpayer money (check out the incredibly eye-rolling FBI “sting” operations against basement dwellers as of late), but I’d like to think my intelligence is a cut above what seems to fly in HUMINT quarters.

  203. Ivan says:
    @Majority of One

    Yes I know Christianity was codified under Constantine. That’s the Creed to accept if one is a Christian. It doesn’t mean it was invented from whole cloth. The particular part about the Trinity is subtle but that is the Christian belief about the Godhead. Accept it if you want, reject it otherwise. But don’t imply that was an invention of Eusebius and Athanasius and such God botherers. The coequal claim of Jesus to the Father is asserted in St John’s Gospel. The doctrine was refined taking into account the workings of the Holy Spirit. Nonetheless they are One God.

    In as much as the world reflects the Potter the Trinity is reflected in the World. I was impressed with the stability of the tri-cameral system of government in the US surely a reflection of the Trinity above. Similar tri-cameral arrangements exist in all stable forms of government. I am certain many such analogies can be given.

  204. Robjil says:
    @Robert Konrad

    Genetic studies have found that many people in the Spanish speaking isles of the Caribbean have Taino or other indigenous ancestry. The extinction thing did not happen. The culture may have disappeared but the DNA of these people did not disappear.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/02/genes-extinct-caribbean-islanders-found-living-people

    Genetic studies of modern populations have found that many people from Puerto Rico, Cuba, and several other Caribbean islands carry significant indigenous ancestry, in addition to genes inherited from European and African populations.carry significant indigenous ancestry, in addition to genes inherited from European and African populations. Still, it’s possible that these living people descend not from the Taino, but rather from other Native Americans who, like many Africans, were forcibly brought to the islands as slaves. But when Schroeder compared the genomes of modern Puerto Ricans to the ancient Taino woman’s genome, he concluded that they descend in part from an indigenous population closely related to hers. “It’s almost like the ancient Taino individual they’re looking at is the cousin of the ancestors of people from Puerto Rico,” Nieves-Colón says. Growing up in Puerto Rico, she, like Estevez, was always told that the Taino died out. “You know what? These people didn’t disappear. In fact, they’re still here. They’re in us.”

  205. Robjil says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    Byzantium did a lot of the transmitting of classical knowledge to modern Europe. They spoke Greek, therefore they could easily read and study the material as there own. Rome had the Latin works. Europe wasn’t as dark as one supposes.

    https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-worldhistory/chapter/the-late-byzantine-empire/

    This traditional approach towards Byzantium has been partially or wholly disputed and revised by modern studies, which focus on the positive aspects of Byzantine culture and legacy. Historian Averil Cameron, for example, regards the Byzantine contribution to the formation of medieval Europe undeniable, and both Cameron and Obolensky recognize the major role of Byzantium in shaping Orthodoxy. The Byzantines also preserved and copied classical manuscripts, and they are thus regarded as transmitters of the classical knowledge, as important contributors to the modern European civilization, and as precursors of both the Renaissance humanism and the Slav Orthodox culture.

    • Agree: Tommy Thompson
  206. Robjil says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    The zero concept was invented by Hindus in India in the 600s.

    The old Greek and Egyptian systems also make arithmetic hard. Without zero, multiplying 3 times 90 is a whole different problem from multiplying 3 times 9.

    Some of the first known zero symbols appear in Babylonian clay tablets of between 400 and 300 B.C.; there the zero was used to clarify the symbols for large numbers.

    The idea that zero can be treated in arithmetic problems as a number, like any other number, came from a Hindu astronomer of the seventh century A.D., Brahmagupta. Brahmagupta was the first to write down the rules for arithmetic with zeros.

    The West did not adopt it till the 13th century.

    Western civilization didn’t adopt arithmetic with zeros until about 700 years later, based on the work of the thirteenth-century Italian mathematician Leonardo Fibonacci.

    https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/history-zero

    The “fear” of the zero was the main reason for the delay. It wasn’t a religious fear. It was the fear of it being too “easy” to change the books with zeros

    The Italian mathematician, Fibonacci, built on Al-Khowarizmi’s work with algorithms in his book Liber Abaci, or “Abacus book,” in 1202. Until that time, the abacus had been the most prevalent tool to perform arithmetic operations. Fibonacci’s developments quickly gained notice by Italian merchants and German bankers, especially the use of zero. Accountants knew their books were balanced when the positive and negative amounts of their assets and liabilities equaled zero. But governments were still suspicious of Arabic numerals because of the ease in which it was possible to change one symbol into another. Though outlawed, merchants continued to use zero in encrypted messages, thus the derivation of the word cipher, meaning code, from the Arabic sifr.

    • Agree: Tommy Thompson
  207. @Tommy Thompson

    I am not going into a debate of Columbus’ ancestry or his motives and accomplices let along what his accomplishments were (good and bad), I will leave that for others..

    However, in the Middle Ages the dominant sailors in the Med were Saracens and it is well known that they developed navigation instruments and star charts for navigation and were the foremost navigators of the time. Jews by their Rabbis and teachers were prohibited from science and research by their own accounts until the Jewish enlightenment in the 18th century onwards. They were not known as sailors, scientists or inventors by their own accounts in the recovered Andalusian sources, unless you have some new information. The Jews were a small community within the greater Arab Islamic Andalusian statelets.

    Even in my American grade school we were taught that Columbus had a Moor for a navigator.

    Of course history always needs a re-make to fit into the current politically correct and new world view being promulgated.

    Another angle/point of consideration is that following the fall of Carthage, many Carthaginians (and Phoenicians) adopted Judaism.

    Large numbers of Phoenicians and Carthaginians became Jewish, bringing with them “their commercial skills”. (Salo Baron, Economic History of the Jews).

    Equal attestation that Carthaginians and Phoenicians became Jews is provided by Lionel Curtis – the predecessor of Arnold J. Toynbee and Samuel P. Huntington as the most eminent intellectual in the Round Table and its CFR affiliate.

    http://mailstar.net/carthage-became-jewish.html

    The way the Sephardic Jews/ Marranos operated post Carthage up until Venice was almost identical to the Phoenicians/Carthaginians with a mastery of sea, ship mass-production, commercial empireetc. So more specifically, the “Jews” in question would have once been former seafaring merchants who settled across the entire Mediterranean. It is said that some Phoenician ships, lost at sea of the coast of Africa, would have reached the Americas through the Canary currents (the same one used by Colombus). If I recall right, Columbus also departed from a former Phoenician/Carthaginian port. For what it’s worth, the Shepardic Jews/Marranos also funded the land, horse-riding Knights Templar who somehow became masters of the sea. There is somehow a continuity- one that is either not understood or purposely kept hidden.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @mc23
  208. Rich says:
    @Robert Konrad

    Your knowledge of history is seriously lacking. Germany was a secular state by the 1930s. Anyone who knows anything, spent 20 minutes reading European history, would know that most Germans, and most of Europe, were atheist certainly after the first World War, and even before that. The Centre party in 1932 Germany would have been the Catholic party. They received less than 20% of the vote. Had the Germans returned to their Christian Faith in the 1930s, WW2 probably wouldn’t have happened and they would have avoided the ravages they were subjected to.

    There was no genocide of Jews in Europe, there was a massive war and many European Jews died, along with many other Europeans. There are more Jews alive today than then, not much of a genocide.

    As for your assertions about the “Tainos”, they died mostly from their inability to fight diseases Europeans were immune to. If that’s genocide, that’s life.

    I’d suggest you read a history book, but they are all so tainted with leftist ideology, it wouldn’t do you much good. Maybe some day you’ll learn some facts on accident.

    • Replies: @Robert Konrad
  209. I am reading in Laurent Guyenot’s Yahweh to Zion that several Jewish historians think it quite possible that Columbus was a Marrano or Judaized convert to Christianity and that he wrote to Isabella, ” Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity go on sending(to Spain from America) all the slaves that can be sold.” Now if this were true, that would make Christopher one of the first International Jews which would not be consistent with his apparent rehabilitation. One can understand why Professor Delaney might not want to be kicking around such a possibility at a semophilic university like Brown. However, it is not so obvious why Mr.Taylor does not raise the issue in his detailed review of the professor’s thesis. But then ethnic realism is not quite as central at Taylor’s Amren as is race realism

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  210. Seraphim says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    There are enough indications that the Templars refugees reorganized as the Order of Christ in Portugal were behind the “Descobrimentos portugueses” (Portuguese discoveries). The famous Prince Henry the Navigator, the main initiator of what would be known as the Age of Discovery, was Grand Master of the Order. The Portuguese advances in sea faring in the 15th century are too well known. Columbus lived ten years in Portugal where he got his interest in ocean exploration from. Columbus sailed extensively “with the Portuguese” in the Atlantic, where he learned open-ocean navigation. He saied that in February 1477 he traveled a hundred leagues beyond Tile (Thule) which is Iceland. Actually he made his proposal to reach India navigating West to the Portuguese who rejected it on the basis that the circumference of the globe was greater. The Spanish Kings turned him down, presumably for the same reasons, but he got the enthusiastic support of crypto-Jewish financiers. One may wonder why? A clue is that Columbus also requested he be made “Great Admiral of the Ocean”, appointed governor of any and all lands he discovered, and given one-tenth of all revenue from those lands. It might give credence to the claim that he and his backers knew that there was a new land which were intended to colonize and understandably kept this knowledge secret.

  211. @gay troll

    The Gospels are obviously unreliable as history, and in many other aspects reveal themselves to be purely literary works. They cannot be used to justify the historicity of Jesus Christ. So please tell me, what is the strongest evidence of Jesus Christ’s existence?

    Those are two different areas you are talking about. Yes, almost certainly the claims of miracles are false. And without a doubt, there are contradictions. We can say the same about the Buddha. Most likely, he could not really fly. And he probably didn’t start speaking right after birth.

    Nonetheless, most historians believe Gautama really did exist. The same is true for Mohammed who most certainly existed. He probably didn’t fly on the back of a winged horse as claimed.

    Pointing to outlandish claims in a religious text isn’t the issue.

    As to the consensus among historians that Jesus, as a man, really did exist, well you are aware of their works and they can speak for their claims better than I can.

    It’s true we don’t have a driver’s license for Jesus. But I will say, there would have been no reason to make someone up out of nothing. There were a lot of self-proclaimed messiahs at the time. And they had their followers, I’m sure making outlandish claims.

  212. @Robert Konrad

    There were no “Native Americans”. They came from Siberia.

    And they had been slaughtering each other in successive waves for over 10,000 years.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
  213. CCG says:
    @utu

    The theory of the Portuguese discovery of Brazil taking place before Pedro Alvares Cabral’s arrival in 1500 is based on a single manuscript (‘Esmeraldo de situ orbis’) written by the Portuguese conquistador Duarte Pacheco Pereira in 1506, which describes the discovery as taking place in 1498.

    • Thanks: utu
  214. Seraphim says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    Apparently in your American grade school they didn’t tell you anything of the “Majorcan cartographic school” which flourished in the 14th century, when Majorca was annexed by the Kingdom of Aragon. Majorcans share with the Genoese the honor for the invention (c. 1300) of the “normal portolan chart”, although it is more likely that the credit should go to the Genoese.
    Notable representatives of the Majorcan School were:
    Abraham Cresques (1325–1387): Jew, master map-maker and builder of clocks, compasses, and other nautical instruments.
    Jehudà Cresques (1360-1410) his son, converso, took the name Jaume Riba, known as “lo jueu buscoler”- the map Jew, or “el jueu de les bruixoles”- the compass Jew.
    Gabriel de Vallseca ( 1408 – after 1467), converso, but apparently from the same family as the Cresqus.
    The Cresques (father and son) are credited with the authorship of the ‘Catalan Atlas’ of 1375, commanded by Prince John of Aragon (the future John I of Aragon) to make a set of nautical charts which would go beyond the normal geographic range of contemporary portolan charts to cover the ‘East and the West, and everything that, from the Strait [of Gibraltar] leads to the West’ .
    A ‘Mestre Jacome’, a Majorcan cartographer induced by the Portuguese prince Henry the Navigator to move to Portugal in the 1420s to train Portuguese map-makers in Majorcan-style cartography.

  215. @advancedatheist

    Otherwise we would see caravel-like ships arriving in America’s ports from, say, African countries.

    Shame they lost the skills to build the spaceships the Kangz-crowd are always talking about.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  216. @Seraphim

    “…Columbus also requested he be made “Great Admiral of the Ocean”, appointed governor of any and all lands he discovered, and given one-tenth of all revenue from those lands…”

    A clear indication that he was a greedy egomaniac.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Ivan
  217. @The Alarmist

    No, they had the skills at one point. However, the plans for the spaceships were lost when they carried them in their ships, which promptly sank in the ocean. I think there was also a dog involved.

  218. @Seraphim

    #216
    Cannot but disagree with you as you are doing the typical Western historical approach, with the claim that “We did it.”

    The Jews were not living in a shell and developing their cartography in a walled off prison cell, but were part of the Moorish civilization in Islamic Spain that reined in Spain/ Portugal for up to 700 years. The Jews were largely Berber / Punic (Carthaginian) converts.
    Phoenicians had long ago settled in Spain before even advent of Rome. No doubt these Majorcan cartographers were familiar with Arabian sea faring and maps, and the maps did not just appear like the Ten Commandments.

    The Phoenicians followed by their Arab descendents were the most important Mediterranean seafarers of their time. Jews were part of that milieu and not separate. The Med was an active mix of cross communication and the Arabs were good at traveling, trading and making friends, even into the far north of Europe at the time.

    Certainly the Jews and even probably Eastern Rite Christians were part of these trade voyages. Don’t forget that early Arabian or South Arabian traders brought Eastern Christianity to both India and East Africa before Islam, which just continued with the same trade routes and communications.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  219. @Majority of One

    You sound as though you may also be a walking, talking bio-hazard sodomite like “gay troll” here who happens to agree with you.

    Your “God is love” stuff is pretty much Flower Children Hippie bullshit, I’m afraid.

    Love is but one facet of God, as is true of all good fathers. God is just as well, and that means that there are limits to His patience.

    • Agree: Seraphim
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Majority of One
  220. If you fear the judgment of a righteous God then you must know you are a sinner. I am not a sinner and therefore I fear nothing

    Yes, I am a sinner, but I’ve never done anything unnatural and reveled in it as you do.

    You are a hardened sinner and unrepentant as well. If you do not seek forgiveness, you will truly perish. The souls of the dammed are forgotten and their memory blotted from their loved ones forever.

    Sounds like you’re a Jew as well…lol

    That’s no surprise.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @gay troll
  221. Seraphim says:
    @GeneralRipper

    Spoiled children remain stuck at the intellectual development stage of egocentrism and narcissistic self-indulgence. They are unable to see things from the perspective of others. Adults, they become anti-social, revolutionaries, LGBT, BLM, trying to impose their limited understanding of the world on the others. They are not people you can reason with.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @gay troll
  222. Seraphim says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    Well, this is just replacing the ‘politically correct’ exaggeration of European contribution to science and technology, with the new ‘political correctness’ of hyper-inflating the contributions of the ‘Islamic Golden Age’ and ‘Andalusian Paradise’ to the same.

    • Replies: @Ivan
  223. gay troll says:
    @Seraphim

    You and your friend the IDF shill General Ripper are both masters of projecting your own insecurities and inadequacies onto others. It is you who cannot be reasoned with, you who insists on the infallibility of the “word of God”, which although it presents itself as history, is easily and definitively refuted as such. You are the egocentric, narcissistic, self indulgent anti social. Reason is beyond your purview. You are the one trying to impose your limited understanding on the world. Your monumental ignorance regarding the nature of divinity could be forgiven more easily if it were not so darkly blasphemous. You believe in a devious caricature of a God. Even Jesus says his teachings are only for sinners, not the righteous. If you want to follow him you should keep your mouth shut about it.

    Hail Lucifer 666

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  224. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim

    The Europeans were the braver, more curious and more disciplined in spite of their fears of the lot. Chinese, Indian, and Arabs may have achieved this and that but the Europeans were consistently prepared to put their lives on a roll of the die. Which is why the Portuguese, from a tiny country, could take apart the Muslims from Mombasa to Aden to Gujarat to Malacca and beyond in a few short years after Vasco da Gama. It’s a little sad that they succumbed to vice in turn themselves.

    • Agree: PolarBear
  225. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim

    Islamic Golden Age brought death and destruction to all the infidels it touched. The Portuguese and Spaniards had to be equal to the task of defeating these most fanatic of the enemies of Christians. No “Karens” among the Iberians of that era.

    • Troll: Tommy Thompson
  226. Truth says:
    @GeneralRipper

    Now Flipper, let’s be honest, you’ve already come halfway clean in a few of your posts about your schooling. we’re counting on you to unburden yourself here. You’re amongst friends…

    • LOL: gay troll
    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  227. Ivan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Perhaps, but he was in a competitive field. Vasco da Gama was the Admiral of the Orient, Araby, India etc., etc..

  228. Seraphim says:
    @gay troll

    Another characteristic of this kind of people is their inability to realize how pathetically ridiculous they are.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  229. gay troll says:
    @Seraphim

    Ad hominem is your only resort because you are unable to refute my arguments. I believe in spiritual possibilities, whereas you believe in physical impossibilities. Only one of those positions is reasonable. Furthermore, you follow a role model who says he was sent only to sinners and Jews. If that’s you, then have at your silly faith, and if/when you are finally able to renounce your evil ways, please join the rest of the human race.

  230. RodW says:

    I agree with the commenter who said that it’s impossible now to know what sort of person Columbus was. I don’t think it’s at all important.

    I’d be perfectly happy to paint him as a Jew who dishonestly hid his Jewishness behind religious fanaticism and committed a holocaust of indigenous people sufficient to put Hitler in the shade. Pile on the millions of dead to laughable numbers, and have him dancing with the entrails of Indians around his neck like a garland, wearing shoes made of their skins.

    Where I come from, we celebrate John Cabot, an Italian who actually got to America proper, based on knowledge handed down for generations of fishermen and explorers.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  231. gay troll says:
    @GeneralRipper

    I’ve never done anything unnatural and reveled in it as you do.

    You cannot know what I do, because I have never told you what I do. Like Seraphim, who writes “Adults, they become anti-social, revolutionaries, LGBT, BLM,” you dredge my sins out of your own fevered imagination. Have I ever said anything about LGBT or BLM? Have I ever said anything about sex? I await your citations. Also the “shalom” was a special courtesy to you, Shlomo.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  232. gay troll says:
    @Truth

    If you are going to discard the fame of Jesus, you must also discard his miracle work. If he had really cast out demons, healed the sick, and raised the dead, he would have been famous all around the Mediterranean. Philo was a Jew, and furthermore, Philo was pre occupied with concepts such as the logos at the same time Jesus was said to embody them. Yet Philo says nothing about the life of Jesus Christ. Seneca in the same vein wrote a drama about a hero who rose from the dead yet makes no mention of the life of Jesus Christ. The Jewish historian Josephus, chronicler of the Jewish-Roman war, makes no mention of the life of Jesus Christ. If Christ was only famous among the Jews, why didn’t the Jews follow his teachings? If the Jews had done what Christ instructed them to do, Judea would have yielded to Rome and Titus would have had no cause to besiege and destroy Jerusalem. And if he were not famous, and not popular among the Jews, and incapable of miracles, how did he become the most famous person in history? Because he states the golden rule? It is a rule that long precedes him. We are supposed to believe that Paul spread early Christianity while knowing nothing of Christ’s life, except that he was born of a woman and rose from his death. There is no person behind all this literature. Jesus Christ is strictly legendary.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  233. Menes says:
    @vot tak

    From a population of 100,000 at the lowest estimate in 1492, there remained in 1514 about 32,000 Arawaks in Española. By 1542, according to Las Casas, only 200 were left. In their place had appeared slaves imported from Africa. The people of the golden age had been virtually exterminated.”

    The first genocide of native americans by europeans..

    • Replies: @Robjil
  234. @GeneralRipper

    Anyone who still believes in the primacy of YaHWeH is still stuck in the dark ages and is motivated by fear, the polar opposite of love.

  235. Robjil says:
    @RodW

    Your description sounds very similar to Jewish behavior in Kito’s war. Kito’s war, 115-117 AD, a Jewish rebellion in the entire Eastern Roman Empire. Jewish rebels attacked and massacred hundreds of thousands of Roman citizens. They destroyed Roman infrastructure on a massive scale. One of the many such events that our “free press” will not talk about.

    and have him dancing with the entrails of Indians around his neck like a garland, wearing shoes made of their skins.

    https://followinghadrian.com/2018/11/05/the-rebuilding-of-cyrene-by-hadrian-in-ad-118-9-hadrian1900/

    In AD 115, while Trajan and the majority of the Roman troops were campaigning in Parthia in the East, the diasporic Jews rose against Rome, creating havoc in Cyrenaica, Egypt and Cyprus. The hostilities started in Cyrene and quickly spread to Alexandria, Judaism’s largest city, and resulted not only in great loss of life but also in widespread destruction. In Cyrenaica, the revolt raged all over the country and was characterized by extreme violence and bloodshed. Dio Cassius paints a horrific picture of unrelieved brutality. The Jews, he claimed,

    would eat the flesh of their victims, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood and wear their skins for clothing; many they sawed in two, from the head downwards; others they gave to wild beasts, and still others they forced to fight as gladiators. (Dio, LXVIII 32.2-4)

    • Agree: PolarBear
    • Thanks: RodW
  236. @Rich

    “There was no genocide of Jews in Europe …”

    I thought you , “Rich,” were just another affable, underinformed Christian bumpkin. But to say officially, in a public forum, that there was no genocide of Jews in Europe is something entirely different. You are so inhumanly stupid and ignorant that you shouldn’t be considered a member of the species called Homo sapiens. You may be Homo, but not sapiens.

    It won’t help much if I say that I lived in Poland for a long time and have visited Auschwitz (twice) and Sobibór. I have done the talk and I have done the walk. I have talked to countless Poles who told me personal stories of the horrors inflicted on Jews in Poland by the German Nazis. I have countless files that I hope some day will be converted to yet another book about Nazi atrocities.

    But as I said I am not going to dignify you by arguing with you: you belong to a different species. And you live in a different island universe.

    My dear Pagan gods: how can such a stupid moron exist!!

  237. @Robert Konrad

    It won’t help much if I say that I lived in Poland for a long time and have visited Auschwitz (twice) and Sobibór. I have done the talk and I have done the walk. I have talked to countless Poles who told me personal stories of the horrors inflicted on Jews in Poland by the German Nazis. I have countless files that I hope some day will be converted to yet another book about Nazi atrocities.

    P.T Barnum’s dictum is proven correct time and time again….lol

    Thanks Bobby.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  238. @Robert Konrad

    When you visited Bullschwitz did they give you the tour of the Children’s Ward were Dina Babbit painted murals for the Jewish children?

    Did you visit the inmate swimming pool where the inmates could swim and play water polo?

    Did you visit the commissaries were prisoners could spend their scrip?

    Did you visit the inmate brothels?

    Did you visit the sports field were inmates could play soccer games? (Stallone was actually in a movie about such games)

    Or did they simply take you to empty rooms with candles in them and tell that this room was a “gas chamber”?

    Anyone who doesn’t know that the entirety of Bullschwitz is a great big fat pile of lies is galactically stupid.

  239. @Truth

    Actually Troof, I think “gay troll” would really like to hear a detailed account of your adventures as a “male model” romping around with all those homojews at Studio 54 etc…

    That’s “right up his alley”.

    lol

    • Replies: @Truth
  240. @gay troll

    Uh, hey boss, you’re a avowed Satanist with the handle of “gay troll”. That makes it pretty clear what sort of sick fuck you are.

    Anywhere normal people are allowed to speak frankly and truthfully is a magnet for freaky attention whores like you.

    It’s similar to the way your kind feel the need to have your homo “pride” parades, instead of simply being content to practice your perversities in private.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  241. @Genrick Yagoda

    Hey Mr. “Yagoda,” your last name may indicate the size of your brain; that is, your brain may be the size of a berry (hence “jagoda”). He, he, he. It’s too hilarious to be just a coincidence.

    Wzrastająca ilość głupków na tym forum staje się nie do zniesienia.

  242. Robjil says:
    @Menes

    The Black Legend of Spain was fueled by other Europeans like the English to take over the Spanish colonies. Spain was unique in that it was the first colonial power that introduced laws to protect the indigenous people.

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/11/02/the-black-legend-was-propaganda-that-demonized-spain-spanish-people-and-spanish-culture-all-around-the-world/

    The means and motives of this negative portrayal of the Spanish varied from place to place. But many believe that the alleged cruelty of the Spaniards provided a powerful ideological “sanction” so that the English, for example, could justify their actions of expanding into colonies that were originally Spanish. The Spaniards were always the “bad guys.”

    What is not widely known is that, as historical accounts tell, as soon as the colonization of the Americas commenced after 1492, Spain was reportedly the power that at least attempted to introduce laws aimed at protecting the indigenous people. That is one example only, and a significant political move that was not taken into account by many Europeans and the war of words against Spain took its toll over the next centuries.

    http://uctp.blogspot.com/2010/06/15-of-dominicans-have-taino-dna.html
    15 percent of Dominicans have Taino DNA. The Dominican Republic has ten million people. Therefore, one and half million people in the DR have Taino DNA.

    Santo Domingo (UCTP Taíno News) – A recently concluded DNA study indicates that 15% of Dominicans have indigenous Taíno genes not found anywhere else. The research which began in 2006 also determined that another 15% conserve Euro-Asian genetic characteristics, whereas 70% of the population of the Dominican Republic has mitochondrial DNA of African origin.

    Puerto Rico has 61 percent of its people with Taino Mitochondrial DNA.

    Puerto Ricans show an approximate 61% contribution of Taíno mitochondrial DNA. Comparisons between the two countries however must take into consideration the difference in population sizes.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  243. Truth says:
    @GeneralRipper

    at Studio 54

    Missed it by 3,000 miles and 30 years, Old Sport, but entertaining nonetheless.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  244. Seraphim says:
    @Robjil

    Correct. It was time to bring attention on the ‘La leyenda negra’, the vicious anti-Spanish and anti-Catholic propaganda, concocted in the Dutch-English Protestant (+Jewish) ‘Agitprop’, which excels in combining fabrications, de-contextualization, exaggeration, cherry picking and double standards with downright lies.
    This phenomenon was described, analyzed and deconstructed by the Spanish historian, sociologist, literary critic, journalist, translator and interpreter, Julián Juderías y Loyot (September 16, 1877 – June 19, 1918). What is of particular interest is that Juderías, who worked at the Spanish Embassy in Russia, had noticed (and denounced) also the spread of anti-Russian propaganda in Germany, France and England and was interested in their possible long-term consequences, which persist to this days when it went in overdrive.

    To the ‘leyenda negra’ is opposed the ‘golden legend’ of the ‘WASP’ colonialism, succinctly described by a recent historian:
    “Spaniards who came to the New World seeking opportunities beyond the prospects of their European environment, are contemptuously called cruel and greedy “goldseekers,” or other opprobrious epithets virtually synonymous with “Devils”; but Englishmen who sought New World opportunities are more respectfully called “colonists,” or “homebuilders,” or “seekers after liberty.” […] When Spaniards expelled or punished religious dissidents, this came to be known as “bigotry,” “intolerance,” “fanaticism,” and a cause of their decline. When Englishmen, Dutchmen, or Frenchmen did the same thing, it is known as “unifying the nation,” or safeguarding it against treason or foreign conspiracy”.
    Philip Wayne Powell, “Tree of Hate” (2008 edition), page 11.
    Ditto, the ‘golden legend’ of the ‘Islamic Golden Age of the Andalusian Paradise’ destroyed by the barbaric Christian Spaniards.

    • Agree: utu
    • Thanks: Robjil
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Anon
    , @anon
  245. @Truth

    Missed it by 3,000 miles and 30 years, Old Sport, but entertaining nonetheless.

    Aw shucks, I guess I’m not up to date on the habits and hangouts of West Coast homojews and their pretty little pool boys.

    I couldn’t begin to wager on whether the Jew Hollyweird “entertainment” industry employs more homosexuals/homosexualists than the “fashion industry”, or vice versa.

    I’d say it’s probably a toss up.

    Then again, that’s your area of expertise…lol

    • Replies: @Truth
  246. Rich says:
    @Robert Konrad

    You’re a perfect example of your age. It’s sad. There were no gas chambers, no mass graves, the whole thing was a very successful propaganda exercise, and you are the result. Just think about one thing, why would it be illegal to study and dispute aspects of the “holocaust” if it were real? There is no other historical event that needs laws to prevent it being disputed. No one is arrested for questioning how many died in the Black Death, the number of Irish who died in the Famine can be argued ad nauseam, we can question the number who died at Stalingrad and during the Vietnam War without worry of being arrested. Only one so-called “historical” event is verboten, why? If it were true, there wouldn’t be laws forcing people to accept it. Wake up.

  247. Seraphim says:
    @Seraphim

    This is a subject furiously debated nowadays and some more details would enable us to understand why.
    (the Wikipedia entry ‘Black legend (Spain)’ makes some important points):

    [MORE]

    [Many authors] have argued that it still affects the way in which Spain is perceived and that it is brought up strategically during diplomatic conflicts of interest as well as in popular culture to hide the negative actions of other nations.
    Powell believed in 1971 that the stereotypes of the Black Legend contribute to “White Supremacy”, erasing the ethical and intellectual contributions of Southern Europeans and obscuring the power and competence of Native American empires before and during the Spanish conquest. [We may add the theme of ‘white genocide’].
    In 2006, Tony Horowitz argued that the Spanish black legend affected current US immigration policy.
    Roca Barea states that early modern Spanish phenomena, such as the Spanish Inquisition and the conquest of the Americas, were in actual fact beneficial and therefore any negative comment on them forms part of the Black Legend. She further claims that Protestant European countries remain essentially anti-Catholic stating “If we deprive Europe of its hispanophobia and anti-Catholicism, its modern history becomes incomprehensible” [Ditto the undying vilification of ‘Franchist’ Spain and the push for Catalonia’s independence].
    Philip Wayne Powell, writing in 1971, considered the Black Legend to be the root of contemporary diplomatic problems and anti-Latino sentiment in the United States, making the case for this in his book “The Tree of Hate: Propaganda and Prejudices Affecting Relations with the Hispanic World”. The view of the Black Legend affecting the present-day United States’ immigration policy has gained supporters in the current political climate. The narrative of the “degenerated race” [miscegenation as a cardinal sin!] is argued to be at the root of the racist discrimination suffered by Latinos in America.
    Powell stated that Spain’s past ownership of about half of the United States’ land was unknown by most Americans, affecting the way in which the Latin American population and culture are treated, as well as the linguistic debate there.

    I want to stress again the uncanny similitude between ‘Hispanophobia’ and ‘Russophobia’, which is not surprising taking into consideration the fact that they have the same origin.

  248. Truth says:
    @GeneralRipper

    Ask your (give)headmaster, if he’s still alive.

  249. Seraphim says:
    @GeneralRipper

    Barnum was wrong. There are much more than one (and counting).

  250. gay troll says:
    @GeneralRipper

    I’m not necessarily a Satanist darling, I believe in the power of Christ, only I am perceptive enough to realize that Christ is not the Jewish messiah, and the notion that the Jewish messiah was the one and only incarnation of God is a puerile blasphemy. Christ calls himself Morning Star, who is Lucifer, will you deny it? It is that which I celebrate: not any demon or devil, not Yahweh, not Jesus. I celebrate the light that shines in the heart of all living things. And it in turn celebrates me. If anyone believes in the devil it is you. And that is a very dangerous game.

    Hare Kristna, the divine personality

  251. To Rich, Yagoda, and other Holocaust deniers on the UNZ Blog:

    You may, of course, express your views, even the most outrageous. I don’t mind because I am against censorship in general. I also believe that the First Amendment is the best political law in human history and I commend James Madison (and the US government) for implementing such a law, the main American contribution to civilization. I consider censorship ultimately futile, and this is why I think that the 17 countries that have made Holocaust denialism illegal are wrong.

    But this doesn’t mean that I don’t consider Holocaust deniers not only irresponsibly stupid and ignorant but pathologically incapable of basic human empathy and compassion. Until recently I considered such people as you too silly to bother with. So I am sorry I got into a fruitless argument with you.

    Because the problem is that you are actually victims of the current Internet media, specifically of amoral algorithms that drive such platforms like Facebook, YouTube, or Twitter, algorithms that determine what you read and watch. When you do your Google searches, your Google recommendations are different from mine. Once algorithms “realize” that you are attracted to fake news and conspiracy theories, the algorithms quickly start feeding you filth, other fake news and conspiracy theories. As a result, you become trapped in such nonsense and start believing the most idiotic things ever believed by people. Since you deny the Holocaust, you are now a likely candidate to believe, for example, in a flat earth and join such crazy loons like QAnon.

    Exactly how internet media turn people into idiots can be understood well if you watch The Social Dilemma, a recent documentary about the danger of highly advanced but amoral algorithm-based internet media.

    My goal now is to identify other such victims on UNZ and simply stop engaging them in any discussion whatsoever. You, however, can choose whatever you want to believe and whatever you want to write. I will simply ignore all such foolishness. And you.

    Adios.

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  252. @Robert Konrad

    Long before there was such a thing as an internet, there was a trial where each side presented evidence. This occurred in my native country of Canada, and it was caused by Professional HolyCo$t swindlers forcing the government of Ontario to put Zundel on trial.

    Each side presented evidence. The professional HolyCo$ters got their asses kicked, and it wasn’t even close. The trial essentially came down to science and real evidence vs Nutty Jew Wailing about Orange colored smoke for Polish Jews and Blue colored smoke for Hungarian Jews.

    The simple fact that you do not know about this trial, and think the truth about the HolyCo$t has something to do with “algorithms” reveals to any unbiased observer that you are a poster of extremely low intelligence, and extremely high gullibility.

    Any honest reader would conclude that if there is a poster here who is stupid and ignorant, you see him when you look in the mirror.

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  253. @Robert Konrad

    My goal now is to identify other such victims on UNZ and simply stop engaging them in any discussion whatsoever. You, however, can choose whatever you want to believe and whatever you want to write. I will simply ignore all such foolishness. And you.

    Adios.

    Oy Vey! Never forget the Sacred 600 Trillion Kikes or the 125 Billion Injuns!..lol

    Columbus Bad!

    George Washington Bad!

    Robert E Lee Bad!

    Orange Man Bad!

    Hitler Double Plus Bad!

  254. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Very good. One does not expect this depth in the anglophone world.

    The Spanish “Black Legend” was war propaganda in the context of Spain and England’s rivalry during the 16th century. It has continued down the centuries, was revived to smear the Franco regime (1936-77) with 100,000 deaths through execution, and has permeated even contemporary Spaniards’ mindset. The coinage of the term predates Juderias’ 1914 work, but it was he who first provided it with systematic content. It was used before by Emilia Pardo Bazàn in 1898.

    The definition of the term is more or less “the widely held opinion in the Western World of Spain as a more barbaric, retrograde or less civilized country than other European nations”. In other words, a re-branding operation by rival great powers. The twin pillars for this fable are the extractive nature of the Spanish Empire (particularly in the Americas) and the bloody character of the Inquisition. But you can detect whiffs of it in the insistent contempt for the Habsburg chin or inbreeding. (See William Maltby ““The Black Legend in England, the development of Anti-Spanish Sentiment 1558-1660” or
    Sverker Arnoldsson “Black Legend, a study of its origins”.)

    The first inklings happened around the Italian wars under Fernando de Aragon, when Spain was accused of been polluted with jewish and islamic blood. The serious part, however, started after the expulsion of the Jews in 1492. William of Orange needed to legitimize his uprising against Phillip II and the British Crown fight its ascent into world dominion. If the Spanish Empire formally ended with the loss of Cuba in 1898, in reality it was broken in the so called “wars of Independence” of its American territories. Wars of Independence that had been gestated by predatory elites within secret societies (freemasonry) with the backing of England and the United States. Continental Spain’s own revolutionary, anti-clerical revolutions during the 19th century certainly didn’t help the country develop a more balanced historical narrative. Franco could and did develop a vision of historical Spain more commesurate with reality, but it didn’t trascend into the outside world.

    There is overwhelming evidence that the Spanish Empire was a force for good in the world, essentially different from the British Empire or the conquest of the West in the United States. Before Harvard existed, there was a network of 13 universities in Hispanoamerica, open to the indians and where local languages were preserved and taught. The same for the hospital network, which per Isabella’s testament (kept in the Simancas archive built by Charles V), were to treat rich and poor, whites and indians alike. The sheer volumen of technology transfer must count amongst the world’s historical feats: a sophisticated religión capable of giving a logical explanation of the world (and ending human sacrifices), music, writing, wine-making, ranching, labor laws (that excluded indian slavery and indians as beasts of burden), the water mill, use of beasts of burden, and on and on. The Pax Hispana lasted roughly 300 years (1521-1821) through millions of square kilometers of territory. The political upheavals of “Latin America” can be blamed on more than one culprit, but not on Spain.

    Charles V suspended the conquest for 6 years 1550-1556, in order to debate with the dominicans on the right of conquest and the conditions of said right. The first vaccination campaign in the world was financed by Charles IV in 1802 out-of-pocket, in order to bring the smallpox vaccine to the Americas and the Phillipines. Phillip II, when he received a group of explorers back from far away lands, was informed that it was an extremely poor country. “There is nothing of value, Majesty”. His reply was: “But are there souls?”. That country was named after him: the Phillipines.

    The Spanish Empire was first and foremost a civilizing empire. Hispanoamerica was not a “colony”, it was Spain. And Spain cannot be understood if one has not been to Hispanoamerica.

    I believe you read spanish? This fragment of José María Pemán’s 1936 poem “The Angel and the Beast” deserves to be read in the original:

    Cuando hay que descubrir un Nuevo Mundo
    o hay que domar al moro,
    o hay que medir el cinturón de oro
    del Ecuador, o alzar sobre el profundo
    espanto del error negro que pesa
    sobre la Cristiandad, el pensamiento
    que es amor en Teresa
    y es claridad en Trento,
    cuando hay que consumar la maravilla
    de alguna nueva hazaña, los ángeles que están junto a su Silla,
    miran a Dios… y piensan en España.

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  255. @Genrick Yagoda

    As I already said, you are a demented anti-intellectualist, and so you cannot possibly provoke me. Yeah, sure, in a civilized society, we would compare our academic and publishing (and personal) credentials, a comparison which would immediately disqualify you from any further consideration.

    But there’s more: when I talk and write about the Holocaust, I am not–like you–a repeater of goofy people’s goofy ideas and beliefs. As I said, I have done the walk and I have done the talk. I have personally heard many (too many) eyewitness accounts of the German Nazi atrocities in Poland. And I have visited German Nazi concentration camps in Poland.

    I have taken notes and I could publish these accounts. Yes, I have been traumatized by these stories and the evidence I have seen. I have not fully recovered from the trauma and probably never will. No sensible, sentient, intelligent, educated human being will.

    You, on the other hand, have offered nothing by way of any credible evidence that you know what you are talking about. You are a mindless regurgitator of tired, preposterous theories invented by people who can only read secondary and tertiary sources and have become hardly more than sitting addicts–mostly old, ugly, disgruntled farts who would love to be “experts” but never will and are now permanently locked into their pathetic and ever-fading insignificance. Yes, life is cruel and merciless. (And it’s not necessarily your fault only, as I point out below.)

    You have no understanding of real human suffering and tragedy, because you are not fully human. Which brings me to my opening statement: why talk to you and other demented crazies? You are not, nor will you ever be, my intellectual partner. That would require a high level of intelligence and at least a decade-long dedicated doctoral research in relevant fields like history, political science, literature and philosophy. An accomplishment you are incapable of because, obviously, we have not been created equal. Sorry.

  256. @Robert Konrad

    I have taken notes and I could publish these accounts. Yes, I have been traumatized by these stories and the evidence I have seen. I have not fully recovered from the trauma and probably never will. No sensible, sentient, intelligent, educated human being will.

    Oyyyyyyyy Veeeeyyyyy!

    I thought it was “Adios”, Bobby?

    Perhaps you could qualify for payments of some sort from one of the myriad Holoco$t shakedown schemes, with all that psychological trauma and what not?

    You might want to look into that.

    LOL

  257. Not Raul says:
    @gay troll

    Don’t forget Martin Luther.

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  258. PolarBear says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    Pope Innocent III vehemently condemned the sack of Constantinople.

  259. mc23 says:
    @Wally

    Makes you wonder if the European Aborigines were genocided by Bering Strait Aborigines. That argument would make heads explode.

  260. @Robert Konrad

    You are a mindless regurgitator of tired, preposterous theories invented by people who can only read secondary and tertiary sources and have become hardly more than sitting addicts–mostly old, ugly, disgruntled farts who would love to be “experts”

    Perhaps you are too stupid to understand how court-room trials work. Trials do not admit secondary and tertiary sources ( that is called hearsay) and trials most certainly do not permit testimony from unqualified experts.

    You are a fine one to slobber about intellectual equals. You hear ghost stories, and believe these ghost stories told by old women can defeat court-room evidence and qualified experts in their fields.

    Let’s face it, you are a dunce. You don’t understand the most basic things about how the world works, and fancy yourself an “expert” because you were shown a brick room while somber violin music played in the background.

    So I’ll leave you with some evidence submitted by one of the witnesses at the Zundel Trial. Emil Lachout was a lieutenant in the Military Police Service in Austria in 1948. He prepared a document for his boss to sign, and Emil signed as witness. The document told you religious nuts to shut the $$$ up with your nutty fables “gas chambers” or you would face arrest. Document Below

    Military Police Service Copy

    Circular Letter No. 31/48 Vienna, 1 Oct. 1948 10th dispatch

    1. The Allied Commissions of Inquiry have so far established that no people were killed by poison gas in the following concentration camps: Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Flossenbürg, Gross-Rosen, Mauthausen and its satellite camps, Natzweiler, Neuengamme, Niederhagen (Wewelsburg), Ravensbrück, Sachsenhausen, Stutthof, Theresienstadt.

    In those cases, it has been possible to prove that confessions had been extracted by tortures and that testimonies were false.

    This must be taken into account when conducting investigations and interrogations with respect to war crimes.

    The result of this investigation should be brought to the cognizance of former concentration camp inmates who at the time of the hearings testified on the murder of people, especially Jews, with poison gas in those concentration camps. Should they insist on their statements, charges are to be brought against them for making false statements.

    2. In the C.L. (Circular Letter) 15/48, item 1 is to be deleted.

    The Head of the MPS Müller, Major” Certified true copy: Lachout, Second Lieutenant

  261. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    I am with you all the way. I regret that I never made it to Hispanoamerica, but I have been to Spain. Spain gave the world Teresa and San Juan de la Cruz.
    Anyway, it suffices to look at the ‘Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe’ in Mexico City, at the wealth of ‘transcultural’ Baroque that flourished in Hispanoamerica during the Viceroyalties and compare it to the dearth if it wherever the iconoclastic Puritan Pilgrims set foot, to get an idea.

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  262. mc23 says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Interesting. Freud was a big fan of the Carthaginian general Hannibal humiliating the Romans because he identified him as Semitic.

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  263. @Supply and Demand

    one millennium
    two or more millenia.

    Just sayin’.

  264. Rich says:
    @Robert Konrad

    Face it, you’re just a victim of a poor education. I’m always amazed at how people can be taken in so easily by war propaganda. The Hun was bayoneting babies in Belgium, the Iraqis were throwing babies our of incubators, it amazes me that so many of you believe that stuff. And you claim to have a PhD? If true, it’s just another sign of our times. But go on looking in the mirror and telling yourself how smart you are, life is short and no one will remember you a short time after you die, anyway. There were no gas chambers, no soap, no lampshades. Propaganda, baby, look it up.

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  265. @Seraphim

    There are enough indications that the Templars refugees reorganized as the Order of Christ in Portugal were behind the “Descobrimentos portugueses” (Portuguese discoveries). The famous Prince Henry the Navigator, the main initiator of what would be known as the Age of Discovery, was Grand Master of the Order. The Portuguese advances in sea faring in the 15th century are too well known. Columbus lived ten years in Portugal where he got his interest in ocean exploration from. Columbus sailed extensively “with the Portuguese” in the Atlantic, where he learned open-ocean navigation. He saied that in February 1477 he traveled a hundred leagues beyond Tile (Thule) which is Iceland. Actually he made his proposal to reach India navigating West to the Portuguese who rejected it on the basis that the circumference of the globe was greater. The Spanish Kings turned him down, presumably for the same reasons, but he got the enthusiastic support of crypto-Jewish financiers. One may wonder why? A clue is that Columbus also requested he be made “Great Admiral of the Ocean”, appointed governor of any and all lands he discovered, and given one-tenth of all revenue from those lands. It might give credence to the claim that he and his backers knew that there was a new land which were intended to colonize and understandably kept this knowledge secret.

    Many great points. I don’t understand why was Prince Henry forgotten from history to make room for a guy (Columbus) who literaly learned the trade from Henry’s circles. Was Columbus elevated in or around the 15th century by his Jewish financiers or is this more of a modern era phenomenon.

  266. @Bardon Kaldian

    Bullshit. Islamic Golden age lasted, approximately, from the 8th to the 12th C & then it was, with a few exceptions- over. They borrowed mostly from Greeks & something from Indians, and a few of them truly did great things, especially in math & astronomy. In other fields, whether exact sciences, philosophy or arts, they were not comparable to Europeans. Even great Avicenna/Ibn Sina was mostly derivative.

    Everyone borrowed for someone. Who did the Greeks borrow from? They did not wake up one day and came up with everything they are accredited for today. If the racist/eugenic Anlgo-Saxon ruling class of the 19th century had not rewritten history, the world would know true history. It was known and acknowledged by both the ancient Greeks and pretty much everything up until the 19th century that Ancient Greece was civilized by the people of the Near East (namely Egypt and the Canaanites known as Phoenicians).

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  267. @Genrick Yagoda

    125 million people? … Why is there no trace or evidence for same?

    The Spanish cremated them on the Santa Maria, you bigot.

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  268. @gay troll

    If you are going to discard the fame of Jesus, you must also discard his miracle work. If he had really cast out demons, healed the sick, and raised the dead, he would have been famous all around the Mediterranean. Philo was a Jew, and furthermore, Philo was pre occupied with concepts such as the logos at the same time Jesus was said to embody them. Yet Philo says nothing about the life of Jesus Christ. Seneca in the same vein wrote a drama about a hero who rose from the dead yet makes no mention of the life of Jesus Christ. The Jewish historian Josephus, chronicler of the Jewish-Roman war, makes no mention of the life of Jesus Christ. If Christ was only famous among the Jews, why didn’t the Jews follow his teachings? If the Jews had done what Christ instructed them to do, Judea would have yielded to Rome and Titus would have had no cause to besiege and destroy Jerusalem. And if he were not famous, and not popular among the Jews, and incapable of miracles, how did he become the most famous person in history? Because he states the golden rule? It is a rule that long precedes him. We are supposed to believe that Paul spread early Christianity while knowing nothing of Christ’s life, except that he was born of a woman and rose from his death. There is no person behind all this literature. Jesus Christ is strictly legendary.

    Many great points that are either unknown or known but conveniently/purposely ignored.

    I don’t know if Jesus was legend (I believe he existed as a mortal) but the stories associated with him are. Besides, I don’t know understand why people to date need the “Divine” part to be real in order to follow Jesus’ teachings. I guess both go hand in hand — who would care about a mortal?

    That said, who was Jesus? Economist Michael Hudson depicts him as a money reformer/activist who opposed the usurious money lenders. From a Biblical perspective, Jews (more specifically the Pharisees) killed him; but I remember reading that the order came from Titus. Romans and the Pharisees also worked hand in hand at some point. Which begs the question: did Rome destroy Jerusalem due to competition (the Pharisees)?

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  269. @mc23

    Interesting. Freud was a big fan of the Carthaginian general Hannibal humiliating the Romans because he identified him as Semitic.

    Interesting but also confusing.

    Why would an Austrian of Czech/Polish descent care about Semites? Was it because Hannibal was an enemy of the Romans (who destroyed Jerusalem) or was it because Freud believed all Jews were Semites? H.G. Wells (Outline of History) wrote: “The main part of Jewry never was in Judea and had never come out of Judea.” (p.569). [1] Most Jews today have no real understanding of their own history so who knows.

    On an extended but related note, I can’t help but wonder why most the Carthaginians and Phoenicians adopted Judaism following the fall of Carthage. Doesn’t the “Hebrew” Bible vilify the Canaanites (Phoenicians)? The Carthaginians either did not know (I doubt) or the “Hebrew” Bible was in reality written at a much later time (what appears to be circa 2nd century CE).

    _____

    [1] https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45368/45368-h/45368-h.htm#Footnote_349_349

  270. Seraphim says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I wonder where you could possibly have read that Titus gave the order to kill Jesus. The reigning emperor in the time of Jesus was Tiberius Claudius Nero, adoptive son of Octavianus Augustus and reigning as Tiberius Iulius Caesar Augustus (14-37AD).
    Titus Flavius Vespasianus was Emperor between 79-81 AD, succeeding his father Titus Flavius Vespasianus, Emperor between 69-79 AD, both renowned for the repression of Judaean uprising and for the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. He was followed by his brother Titus Flavius Domitianus (81-96 AD) known as persecutor of Christians.
    All extant documents (Gospels, Josephus Flavius, Apocrypha) even if fake or late, are unanimous that the order was given by Pilate (Pontius Pilatus, Πόντιος Πιλάτος), the fifth governor of the Roman province of Judaea, serving under Emperor Tiberius from 26/27 to 36/37 AD.
    The affirmation that Josephus Flavius makes no mention about the life of Jesus is the usual ‘lying by omission’ because it is the contemporary source outside the Gospels that DOES mention Jesus. The so-called ‘Testimonium Flavianum’ (Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3§63) is unequivocal:
    “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared”.
    And Antiquities 20.9.1):
    “Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned”.

    All attempts to discredit his information, to claim that it was (‘likely, highly likely, probably, almost certainly’) a late Christian interpolation in the text of Josephus failed.

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  271. @Daniel Williams

    I forgot. Long before the Germans had an Ash Commander to throw the ashes into the air to make any trace of the Jews disappear, The Spanish had their own crematory on the Santa Maria. Each Muffle could hold 32,700 bodies, and each Kremma on the Santa Maria had 5 muffles.

    Vhat, you doubt? You Monster!

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  272. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    How did Jews get so close to the Dutch-English? Did it all start with William of Orange? I believe he brought Jewish bankers to England. What made Dutch/English so open or vulnerable to Jews?

  273. @Biff

    If Columbus had not discovered America millions of Chinks would have been unemployed and we would have been deprived of a pool of slave labour to build our railroads and complete other menial tasks (like washing our shit stained skivvies).

    What happened though is that once the Chinese had served their purpose for us whites and then thrown on the scrap heap, other Chinese realized the genius of the white race and started to enslave their own not only in China but here in the west.

    Five hundred plus years after Columbus they are still packing themselves into shipping containers like sardines and flocking to these shores. I just dont understand it ! Four thousand years of civilization and while over 250 years we invented the train, planes, cars, the telephone and computers, the only thing these idiots ever contributed was the fortune cookie. They are still shitting in holes in the “most exclusive” hotels in China and public facilities are the lamp posts, a doorway or the neighbours fence. It is not unusual to see some Chinaman struggle to pull out his 2 inch pecker to take a leak against a wall in the most “high end” hoods of a Chinese city.

    No Chinaman has excelled the accomplishments of Colombus or any other white explorer. Gooks like you should study every version of Columbus. You might learn something. In addition, you have him to thank for the $1.00 an hour wage your own Chinese pay you and that plastic bowl you slurp your soup out of in Thailand.

    Be grateful to the Whiteman. Everything you were, are and may become depended on and depends on HIM.

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  274. @Rich

    Robert Kuntrad is a product of our elite Ivy League universities. If you are white and Daddy has some coin you can get in even if you are illiterate and dropped out of elementary school.

    If non-white all you need do is scream affirmative action and discrimination. Dupes like Robert attend, get a Phd in Spacial Micro-Biology with a major in Climate Change, does his dissertation on Malaria and Its effect on the Slave Trade and graduate more dumb than when they started.

    You can’t teach common sense, critical thinking and logic. Besides these days these characteristics are slowly dying out. Bobby is the ghastly result of this disease. He is in both effect and fact, an educated ass !

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  275. @Seraphim

    My fault, I meant to write that Tiberius (and not Titus) gave the order to kill Jesus. Thanks, as usual, for the valuable added information.

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  276. PolarBear says:
    @Dr Giggles

    Japanese invented the fortune cookie.

  277. Seraphim says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I guessed that. But even so, it was not Tiberius who gave the order. In fact Tiberius ordered an inquiry in the circumstances of the death of Jesus, summoned Pilate to Rome to report and the report was kept in the Roman archives where they have been seen by Justin Martyr and Tertullian.
    Justin Martyr wrote in his First Apology (ch.35):
    ” And that these things did happen, you can ascertain from the Acts of Pontius Pilate”.

    [MORE]

    Tertullian wrote in his Apology (cap. 5): “Tiberius accordingly, in whose days the Christian name made its entry into the world, having himself received intelligence from Palestine of events which had clearly shown the truth of Christ’s divinity, brought the matter before the senate, with his own decision in favour of Christ. The senate, because it had not given the approval itself, rejected his proposal. Cæsar held to his opinion, threatening wrath against all accusers of the Christians”.

    Eusebius’ Historia Ecclesiastica (2.2): ” And when the wonderful resurrection and ascension of our Saviour were already reported abroad, in accordance with an ancient custom which prevailed among the rulers of the provinces, of reporting to the emperor the novel occurrences which took place in them, in order that nothing might escape him, Pontius Pilate informed Tiberius of the reports which were reported abroad through all Palestine concerning the resurrection of our Saviour Jesus from the dead.
    2. He gave an account also of other wonders which he had learned of him, and how, after his death, having risen from the dead, he was now believed by many to be a God. They say that Tiberius referred the matter to the Senate, but that they rejected it, ostensibly because they had not first examined into the matter (for an ancient law prevailed that no one should be made a God by the Romans except by a vote and decree of the Senate), but in reality because the saving teaching of the divine Gospel did not need the confirmation and recommendation of men.
    3. But although the Senate of the Romans rejected the proposition made in regard to our Saviour, Tiberius still retained the opinion which he had held at first, and contrived no hostile measures against Christ.
    4. These things are recorded by Tertullian, a man well versed in the laws of the Romans, and in other respects of high repute, and one of those especially distinguished in Rome.

    The story is related also in the ‘History of Armenia’ of Moses of Chorene in the form of an exchange of letters between the King of Edessa Abgar and the Emperor. Abgar informs Tiberius of the events in Palestine asking him to: “Your august Majesty knows henceforth what ought to be done in future with respect to the Jewish nation, which has committed this crime; your Majesty knows whether a command should not be published through the whole universe to worship Christ as the true God”.

    In response Tiberius wrote:
    “Your kind letter has been read to me, and I wish that thanks should be given to you from me. Though we had already heard several persons relate these facts, Pilate has officially informed us of the miracles of Jesus. He has certified to us that after His resurrection from the dead He was acknowledged by many to be God. Therefore I myself also wished to do what you propose; but, as it is the custom of the Romans not to admit a god merely by the command of the sovereign, but only when the admission has been discussed and examined in full senate, I proposed the affair to the senate, and they rejected it with contempt, doubtless because it had not been considered by them first. But we have commanded all those whom Jesus suits, to receive him among the gods. We have threatened with death any one who shall speak evil of the Christians. As to the Jewish nation which has dared to crucify Jesus, who, as I hear, far from deserving the cross and death, was worthy of honour, worthy of the adoration of men — when I am free from the war with rebellious Spain, I will examine into the matter, and will treat the Jews as they deserve”.

    Eusebius relates in his Church History (9, 5-7) that Diocletian destroyed the reports and replaced them with a forged version:
    “Having therefore forged Acts of Pilate and our Saviour full of every kind of blasphemy against Christ, they sent them with the emperor’s approval to the whole of the empire subject to him, with written commands that they should be openly posted to the view of all in every place, both in country and city, and that the schoolmasters should give them to their scholars, instead of their customary lessons, to be studied and learned by heart”.
    The ‘Acts of Pilate’ have been reconstructed from memory and are known as the ‘Gospel of Nicodemus’.

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  278. gay troll says:
    @Seraphim

    So you finally dredge up the Flavian Testimony, which is not surprising since it is the only extra-biblical source that appears to corroborate the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I am slightly offended, though not surprised that you chose not to address this evidence to me. But Antiquities of the Jews was written around 94 CE, while the TF was not cited until Eusebius wrote about it around 316 CE. For some reason no Christian knew about it for over 200 years. Nathaniel Lardner writes:

    It is not quoted by Chrysostom, though he often refers to Josephus, and this author expressly states that this historian has not taken the least notice of Christ. Neither Justin Martyr, in his dialogue with Trypho the Jew; nor Clemens Alexandrinus, who made so many extracts from ancient authors; nor Origen against Celsus, have ever mentioned this testimony. But, on the contrary, in chap. 25th of the first book of that work, Origen openly affirmed that Josephus, who had mentioned John the Baptist, did not acknowledge Christ.

    It is also not cited by Irenaeus or Theophilus. The fact is that the TF was long held to be an obvious interpolation and its recent rehabilitation is no more credible than any other point of consensus advocated by Wikipedia. Josephus was a Pharisee, why would he call Jesus the Christ? And why would he mention the resurrection so glancingly? In fact the mention of the resurrection gives away the fact that the TF is a Christian interpolation. The body of no man has ever, or will ever, rise from death after 3 days. If Josephus believed this had happened he would have devoted more than a sentence to it. He mentions over 20 other men named Jesus. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia said “the [TF] seems to suffer from repeated interpolations”. It is the work of Eusebius and not Josephus.

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  279. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    FWIW, Roca Barea is a meticulous filologist and historian. Her basic arguments run thus:
    – The BL served as active war propaganda, to galvanize the fight against the evil Empire. Same with the encircling of Franco.
    – It has continued down the centuries because it serves to deflect the eye: look at the Inquisition but do not talk about the fact that there are no indians in California. (Jerónimo, baptised after the saint, was a sedentary, educated Catholic. Same with “Toro Sentado” a.k.a. Sitting Bull)
    – It is still ocasionally used if it serves an economic interest. For example, just now, Deutsche Bank can increase interest rates on Spain´s EU loans.

    So, Roca Barea’s analysis, historically and geopolitically are solid. She is weaker in two fronts, IMO: First, she is an atheist and a “freethinker”. So she cannot portray the geopolitical struggles as part of the ancient human struggle to build a just political system. She does not do moral judgment, so she does not plainly state that it was a struggle between two wholly different civilizational models: the Spanish and the English, right vs might. Inevitably, she glosses over some of the intangible benefits of the spanish model: a culture of charity (schools for orphaned girls, teaching paleolithic people with no concept of future to sow, tend, wáter and reap), a culture of beauty (high art you mentioned, liturgy in general, fine arts) and a culture of “derecho de gentes” or rights of people.

    The second weakness is she avoids mentioning the infiltration (freemasonic) element. A striking omission in an analyst that will draw paralllels between the Dutch tulipmania, the South Seas Company fraud and the current “Dutch sándwich” money laundering shenanigans. Then Roca Barea will cite the Church as hugely responsible for the Spanish government’s decline. Even if not a fan of the Church, this is disingenous. (The submarine technology of El Peral (1885) was traitorously handed over to the British by freemasons, the working prototype disassembled. All spanish historians know stories like this, and saw the creepy “State Funeral” this year) . Anyway, her attack on the Church would be all the more reputable if she attacked the anti-church too.

    There is a new current of “freethinkers” who are trying to reclaim national pride, denounce the Black Legend, and simultaneously attack the Faith. Jano Garcia is one such, he is also an eloquent and meticulous journalist.

    Other historians that cover Black Legend are Gil Ibañez, Alberto Barcena Perez (he has done great work on the Franco period too, with archival material, Opus-ish), Pedro Fernandez Barbadillo and the very eloquent pair of Fernando Paz and José Javier Esparza, (whose work on the unbeatable Tercios is quite interesting). Hispanoamericans are actually more audacious in defending the faith-based model, and in denouncing deracinated elites: argentinian Patricio Lons is an example.

    No need to travel to Hispanoamerica if one has a christian understanding. Best wishes.

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  280. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    Thank you very much for all your information.
    I wonder whether Roca Barea had anything to say of the ‘Terror Rojo’ other than the usual attempts at justification of anti-clericalism of historians of her persuasion – reaction to the Franchist ‘White Terror’, Church as ‘the ideological body of the dominant classes’, ‘paedophilia’, blah, etc.
    Or of the destruction of Churches and monasteries and profanation of graves during ‘la Setmana Tràgica’ in Barcelona in 1909. I am not a fan of the Catholic Church myself, but we must keep the proportions.

    When I was in Spain I couldn’t fail to notice the massive ‘presence’ of Hispanoamerica. My best wishes also.

  281. @Genrick Yagoda

    The swimming pool was used mostly by the SS and sometimes also made accessible to some kapo inmates promoted to high rank and working with the former. There was one pool for a whole city that could contain hundred thousands. Ditto for the soccer fields. There were many classes of prisoners and not all were promised to killing forced labour and extermination, though a great many were. Other prisoners were considered allies by the SS and these ones were entitled to preferential treatments, though it was often to be subject to medical and psychological experiments. A certain amount of correspondence was allowed from the certain prisoners to the exterior world so as not to raise suspicion that prisoners led to Auschwitz or like institutions were certain to disappear. Brothels were provided with fresh flesh marked for death : SS and kapos loved to fuck prisoners who knew it was their last night.

    It is true on the other hand that not as many prisoners marked for extermination as one surmised went to gas chambers : the great majority were just left unfed and died of planned starvation before being thrown by bulldozers into pits to be covered with live lime and coals. In their final days when they lost all will to survive, they were called Musulmaner, or Muslims. The gas chambers were used mostly to delouse and disinfect prisoners that had become really infectious (the risk of bubonic plague was real and there were outbreaks that could have spread to the Polish and German population at large and an epidemic of that disease was the last thing the reich needed) and also to tell them they were part of the vermin as the gas chambers were delousing facilities.

    Contrary to what most negationists advance, cyanide gas demands no elaborate and hermetic installations like the ones used for regular capital executions, the pellets can be used in country barns and granaries so as to depest vast volumes of unairproof construction, and the concentration of cyanide in Zyklon B is too low to produce chemical reactions resulting in Prussian blue, it has just the right amount, which is minimal, to destroy the oxygen carrying capacity of blood cells. It is still used (the brand Zyklon B still exists though now, like naphtalin, it is manufactured in China as it is not so legal to manufacture in the West though it can be bought in dollar stores) to in that form by cattle raisers and agriculturists to dispose of mice, rats, insects and surplus infected cattle and poultry. It is an ideal and cheap weapon for assassinations, it is used now by mafias that want to do away with elderlies in terminal homes before ascribing the deaths to other causes such as COVID as it disperses and decomposes very rapidly after use without leaving any trace. Any room could be improvised into a gas chamber with minimal modification, and sometimes whole barracks were depested that way with or without some human vermin left inside. The SS, as a rule, preferred the spectacle slow death through overwork and starvation, and even many Jews like Martin Gray who made fortunes out their inmate survivor’s experience were quite clear they were enroute to be Muslims, not gassed had they submitted rather than revolted and survived out of sheer rage of revenge.

    Anyway 11 millions of all sorts of prisoners of so many origins and alleged reasons for punishment perished in the German camp and prison system for sure, and as Goering put it it was he and his gang who decided who was a Jew or not of the kind to be killed or some other kind of vermin : actually being over-intellectual or wearing glasses classified you as a Jew even though you might have a been a perfectly antisemitic professor in Poland. Jew in Silesia meant any kind of intellectual, it covered about the same kind of people the Khmer rouge would later on exterminate. The SS, whose main ambition was to rule over a stupid slave mass to be culled of as many too lucid people as possible, might thus have classified about half of the inmates under the Jewish label when they wouldn’t care for a more precise designation whereas not one million of them all would have qualified for aliya as many Israeli specialists make remark. Otherwise the Nazi regime was uninimaginably corruptible and run by totally unprinicipled administrators who couldn’t care less when a soldier, a military officer, a businessman or a productive employee was useful to their making money : not being classified as a Jew of infectious impact was an easily bought favour and anyway nine Nazis out of ten were absolutely uninterested by the Jewish question or the future of the Aryan race, that was just too advanced and specialized matters for most of them. In that way the Nazi regime was fashioned after the Soviet regime, it was a government by thugs and gangsters and most of the people who had become Nazi party members had become so out of cynicism, not national or racial patriotism, like Sicilian mafiosi who are never motivated that much by the defense of Catholic family values. Any discussion about the numbers of Jews dead in the German camp system is thus leading to a dead end, as all parties, and they are far more than two, have vested interests in using such or such system of classification as Jews.

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  282. wow JT thanks for the great essay on Mr. Chris Colombo. do your people consider italians huwhyte? i kid, i kid.

    amazing how this essay brought out the masonic freaks, antichrists, jewish supremacists, history revisionists, and other dumpster dwelling trash.

    you have one dork talking about the debunked runestone crap from mn. you got the other guy blabbering about the masonic shitshow called curse of oak island where they dig a pit and the allegory is “heh we get paid to dig thanks history channel for this gold”. what is next, aliens?

    mind you these are the same people who are behind the “tucson artifacts” of the 1920s/1930s if you look into it…without giving too much info out, let’s just say masonic jew freaks like douglas, the university of arizona astronomy department founder, and the ones above in this thread like to make shiet up. like the whole knights templar moneytrap. so they and douglas manufactured some stone “templar artifacts” and other “roman and jewish artifacts” and claimed the romans and jews were wandering the sonoran desert in tucson around 22AD. or 22 BC? can a masonic trash jester get the date right? well anyway, the masonic trash jesters buried the fake artifacts on land owned by, you guessed it, other masonic trash jesters. they pushed that scam for a while. just like the moron above pushing the viking rune in mn. these people are scum, JT.

    anywho,

    jeez, why do people hate italians, italian pilots, ninas, pintas, and santa marias so much? why do people hate jesus so much? italians and jesus, two of the best things in life in my opinion.

    it is almost like there was a coordinated effort at unz to talk down your basic pro-columbus essay, JT.

    and that is hilarious and says everything about the USA lol.

    keep up the good work, God bless ya JT

  283. @Francis Miville

    ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz….

    I’m sorry, what?

    You forget to mention that the mean, wicked Nazis used to harvest Jew Poo so they could extract every ounce of energy from the poor, mistreated Jews. And that the evil Nazis harvested the hair to make pillows for their wives. Because everyone knows that mean wicked German wives loved to sleep on dead Jew hair.

    Who do you clowns think you are fooling with your tired, ridiculous lies?

  284. @Seraphim

    what is the point of your post; who gives a fawk? your post is just autistic fact pulling gibberish shiet being flung at a wall. great you think you know about mallorca, you geeklord?

    it was a proud majorcan named fray juan crespi who walked and founded the California.

    your post is meaningless

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  285. @Robert Konrad

    that’s odd, because i was at dachau in 2005 and definitely didn’t see six million dead jews

  286. Seraphim says:
    @Fray Juan Crespi

    Good on Fray Joan Crespi Fiol. God rest his soul.
    But what is the point of your post?

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