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We are making it clear that we are ready to talk about changing from a military or a military-technical scenario to a political process that really will strengthen the military security… of all the countries in the OCSE, Euro-Atlantic and Eurasian space. We’ve told them that if that doesn’t work out, we will create counter-threats; then it will be too late to ask us why we made such decisions and positioned such weapons systems.

Мы как раз даем понять, что мы готовы разговаривать о том, чтобы военный сценарий или военно-технический сценарий перевести в некий политический процесс, который реально укрепит военную безопасность <…> всех государств на пространстве ОБСЕ, Евроатлантики, Евразии. А если этого не получится, то мы уже обозначили им (НАТО – прим. ТАСС), тогда мы тоже перейдем в вот этот режим создания контругроз, но тогда будет поздно нас спрашивать, почему мы приняли такие решения, почему мы разместили такие системы.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Aleksandr Grushko quoted by TASS

Moscow has issued an ultimatum to USA/NATO. It is this: seriously negotiate on the issues laid out here and here. Some of them are non-negotiable.

Ultimatums always have an “Or Else” clause. What is the “or else” in this case? I don’t know but I’ve been thinking and reading other peoples’ thoughts and some ideas/guesses/suppositions follow. They are the order that they occurred to me. Whether Moscow has such a list in front of it or not, it certainly has many “counter-threats” it can use.

Why now? Two possible answers, each of which may be true. US/NATO have been using “salami tactics” against Russia for years; Moscow has decided that a second Ukraine crisis in one year is one thin slice too many. Second: Moscow may judge that, in the USA’s precipitous decline, this will be the last chance that there will be sufficient central authority to form a genuine agreement; an agreement that will avoid a catastrophic war. (The so-called Thucydides Trap).

Of course I don’t know what Putin & Co will do and we do have to factor in the existence of a new international player: Putin, Xi and Partners. Xi has just made it clear that Beijing supports Moscow’s “core interests”. It is likely that any “counter-threats” will be coordinated. The Tabaquis have responded as expected but maybe (let’s hope so) Washington is taking it more seriously.

Other commentaries I think are worth reading: Martyanov, Bernhard, Saker, Doctorow. The Western media is worthless as a source of independent thinking (typical clichéfest from the BBC – bolstered by The Misquotation) but maybe the WaPo shows that the wind is starting to blow from a different quarter: “The Cold War is over. Why do we still treat Russia like the Evil Empire?

To my CSIS readers: the world is at a grave inflection point and the West had better concentrate its attention. Moscow and Beijing don’t depend on me for advice and I’m not talking to them: regard this as one of the briefing notes that I used to write. Moscow is serious and it does have real “counter-threats”.


  • Moscow could publish a list of targets in NATO countries that can and will be hit by nuclear or non-nuclear standoff weapons in the event of hostilities. These would likely include headquarters, airbases, port facilities, logistics facilities, ammunition dumps, military bases, munitions factories and so on.
  • Moscow could station medium and short-range nuclear missiles in Kaliningrad and Belarus. The latter requires agreement from Minsk but Belarus President Lukashenka has hinted that it will be granted. Moscow could then make it clear that they are aimed at NATO targets.
  • Moscow could station Iskanders and have lots of aircraft in the air with Kinzhals and let it be known that they are aimed at NATO targets.
  • Moscow could make a sudden strike by stand-off weapons and special forces that destroys the Azov Battalion in Eastern Ukraine. Moscow would see two advantages: 1) it would remove the principal threat to the LDNR and 2) it would change the correlation of forces in Kiev. It would also be a live demonstration of Russia’s tremendous military power.
  • Moscow could remind the West of the meaning of Soviet Marshal Ogarkov’s observation that precision weapons have, to a degree, made nuclear weapons obsolete. A prescient remark, somewhat ahead of its time 35 years ago, but realised now by Russia’s arsenal of hypersonic precision missiles.
  • The Russian Navy operates the quietest submarines in the world; Moscow could could make and publish a movie of the movements of some NATO ship as seen through the periscope.
  • I believe (suspect/guess) that the Russian Armed Forces have the capability to blind Aegis-equipped ships. Moscow could do so in public in a way that cannot be denied. Without Aegis, the US surface navy is just targets. Objection: this is a war-winning secret and should not be lightly used. Unless, of course, the Russian Armed Forces have something even more effective.
  • Russia has large and very powerful airborne forces – much stronger than the light infantry of other countries, they are capable of seizing and holding territory against all but heavy armoured attacks. And they’re being increased. Moscow could demonstrate their capability in an exercise showing a sudden seizing of key enemy facilities like a port or major airfield, inviting NATO representatives to watch from the target area.
  • The Russian Armed Forces could do some obvious targetting of the next NATO element to come close to Russia’s borders; they could aggressively ping ships and aircraft that get too close and publicise it.
  • Moscow could make a public demonstration of what Poseidons can do and show in a convincing way that they are at sea off the US coast. Ditto with Burevestnik. In short Moscow could directly threaten the US mainland with non-nuclear weapons. Something that no one has been able to do since 1814.
  • Does the Club-K Container Missile System actually exist? (If so, Moscow could give a public demonstration, if not pretend that it does). Either way, Moscow could publicly state that they will be all over the place and sell them to countries threatened by USA/NATO.


  • Moscow could publicly transfer some key military technologies to China with licence to build them there.
  • Moscow could make a formal military treaty with China with an “Article 5” provision.
  • Moscow could make a formal military treaty with Belarus including significant stationed strike forces.
  • Moscow could station forces in Central Asian neighbours.
  • Russia and Chinese warships accompanied by long-range strike aircraft could do a “freedom of navigation” cruise in the Gulf of Mexico.
  • Moscow could recall ambassadors, reduce foreign missions, restrict movement of diplomats in Russia.
  • Moscow could ban all foreign NGOs immediately without going through the present process.
  • Moscow could recognise LDNR and sign defence treaties.
  • Moscow could work on Turkey, Hungary and other dissident EU/NATO members.
  • Moscow could give military aid to or station weapons in Western Hemisphere countries.
  • Beijing could do something in its part of the world to show its agreement and coordination with Moscow raising the threat of a two front conflict.


  • Moscow could close airspace to civil airlines of the countries that sanction Russia.
  • Moscow could declare that Russian exports must now be paid for in Rubles, gold, Renminbi or Euros (Euros? It depends).
  • Moscow could announce that Nord Stream 2 will be abandoned if certification if delayed past a certain date. (Personally, I am amused by how many people think that shutting it down would cause more harm to Russia than to Germany: for the first it’s only money and Russia has plenty of that; for the second….)
  • Moscow could stop all sales of anything to USA (rocket motors and oil especially).
  • Moscow could announce that no more gas contracts to countries that sanction it will be made after the current ones end. This is a first step. See below.
  • As a second and more severe step, Moscow could break all contracts with countries that sanction Russia on the grounds that a state of hostility exists. That is, all oil and gas deliveries stop immediately.
  • Moscow could announce that no more gas will be shipped to or through Ukraine on the grounds that a state of hostility exists.
  • Russia and China could roll out their counter-SWIFT ASAP.


  • Moscow could stir up trouble in eastern Ukraine (Novorossiya) supporting secession movements.
  • Moscow could order special forces to attack key nazi organisations throughout Ukraine.
  • Moscow could order special forces to attack military facilities throughout Ukraine.


But I’m sure that whatever “counter-threats” Moscow comes up with will be powerful and surprise the West. My recommendation is that USA/NATO take the ultimatums seriously.

After all, the Russian proposals really are mutually beneficial – their theme is that nobody should threaten anybody and if anybody should feel threatened, there should be serious talks to resolve the issue.

Security is mutual:

if all feel secure, then all are secure;

if one feels insecure, then none is secure.

As we now see: when Russia feels threatened by what USA/NATO do, it can threaten back. Better to live in a world in which nobody is threatening anybody and everybody feels secure.

George Kennan foresaw this a quarter of a century ago:

I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else.

(Republished from Russia Observer by permission of author or representative)
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  1. All they’d have to do is stop providing Europe with gas & oil. Especially now in the middle of winter. Since the US cut it’s production it wouldn’t be able to quickly fill the void, and Europe would grind to a halt.

  2. Adrian E. says:

    I don’t think it is a clear ultimatum that needs an „or else“ now.

    The Russian troop presence should be enough for discouraging a large-scale Ukrainian attack on Donbass.
    Ukraine won’t be accepted into NATO in the near future, there are enough NATO members that would not agree to such an escalation.

    Russia wants guarantees about NATO not expanding further and would like to limit weapons systems that are stationed close to Russia‘s border. But such a treaty is hardly been seen as very urgent, sooner or later European NATO members will understand, anyway, that it is in their interest to co-operate with Russia.

    • Agree: Decoy, Aedib
  3. Why don’t they just get together and oppress the hell out of the anti-vaxxers?

    Oh, wait a minute.

    They’re already doing that . . .

  4. Biff says:

    If Russia seriously wanted Washington’s attention they could just start building nuclear missile silos in Cuba(again). It worked the first time.

  5. America is governed by the shit-stains in grifter Joe Biden’s blue suit…

    Russia is governed by a Slavic Man……

    I think it’s over for America…

  6. If there’s going to be a military response by Moscow it has to be shortly, while the ground is still frozen. Come the spring the land in Ukraine gets very marshy due to the thaw.

    There is a New Moon on January 2nd.

    • Replies: @Tony massey
    , @George 1
  7. And the EPIC pushback commences.

  8. @Sick 'n Tired

    The US didn’t ‘cut production’. Reality and geology did.

    • Replies: @interesting
  9. @Adrian E.

    You seem to underestimate the Russophobe and Sinophobe psychoses of Western ‘elites’. Just peruse the dullard ‘Green’ German FM, a feminazi lunatic who wants ordinary Germans to freeze this winter because….well to understand the German ‘Green’ psyche is beyond me. I thought that Joschka Fischer was an abomination, but, in retrospect, he appears sane.

  10. Toza says:

    Your point shows that they are all together in one boat, unfortunately. If a war starts, it will be by mutual agreement.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  11. Alfred says:

    Russia has much to fear.

    Navy unveils maternity uniform pilot program for 2022

    Apparently, the USS Fitzgerald crashed into another ship, killing 7 US Navy sailors, because two female officers had a fight and refused to talk to one another

    US Navy drops charges against officers in USS Fitzgerald crash

  12. Anonymous[939] • Disclaimer says:

    But I’m sure that whatever “counter-threats” Moscow comes up with will be powerful and surprise the West.

    So why provide crowd-sourced possibilities and possibly ruin the surprise? Whatever happens, I’m on the anti-globohomo team.

  13. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    Putin is the only person that still takes NATO seriously. Both Putin and NATO Bureaucrats are fine with a certain amount of tension. Obviously the whole point was to not take any of the theatre too seriously. And yea, the US Neocons broke the rules in 2014. Russia did too, but that is all ancient history.

    Putin knows the West has been happy that border disputes in Georgia and Muldova effectively disqualify them from NATO. And the Donbas effectively DQ’s Ukraine.

    But all of a sudden, Putin wants it in writing? As if having it in writing will mean anything.

    There is no bigger threat to Eurasian peace than to just wrap up NATO sand for the US to go home and let Europe sort it out for itself. It was tried very unsuccessfully last century.

    Right now, European Nations all cheat on their modest NATO commitments. You might think Europe is incapable of another war, but it wouldn’t take that long to unravel. The best case, an EU military would be unstable, as well as Nuclear armed.

    My advice is to not take any of it too seriously. Putin knows the only thing worse than NATO is no NATO. And does he really want to humiliate NATO? The entire project can’t withstand that much reality.

    • Agree: simple mind
    • Troll: GazaPlanet
  14. Anon[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Yes, that’s what a Fascist predator, eg US, would do. The Russians, however, are bending over backwards to keep the game moving. The Euros, under pressure from their boss, seem intent of suicide.

  15. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Embrace Swiss Neutrality.

    Prohibit entangling alliances.

    Recognize the legitimacy of elected governments such as the Russian Federation and Taiwan.

    Abolish transnational terrorist organizations such as the CCP, WZO, EU, UN, UK, and their puppet regimes in America and Europe.

    Examine The Breakdown of Nations by Leopold Kohr.

  16. Baxter says:

    The author makes an important point I think deserving reflection. The United States is in decline (a cultural/demographic collapse?) and the Biden administration may be the last that can cement a binding agreement on both parties. Washington has been accused of being “non-negotiable.” That does appear to be the case. But then, Washington doesn’t adhere to treaties or partnerships when it doesn’t want to. Trump pulled America out of the Trans Pacific Partnership did he not? He also withdrew America from the JCPOA (the Iran nuclear deal). So what must Moscow see when it looks at Washington? Even if they can reach an agreement with Washington, whatever America agrees to America is NOT bound by. Washington isn’t just “non-negotiable.” A treaty with Washington isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. That’s just how I see it, surely saner and smarter men have also noticed this.

  17. Moscow could announce that Nord Stream 2 will be abandoned if certification if delayed past a certain date. (Personally, I am amused by how many people think that shutting it down would cause more harm to Russia than to Germany: for the first it’s only money and Russia has plenty of that; for the second….)

    This idea was, in my opinion, quite a clever one. Maybe not the likeliest … but who knows?

    The Russians aren’t kidding, and have something in mind. I doubt if they’ll initiate an attack, but predict any retaliation for violence begun by others will be very, very painful.

    Given how the Zionists appear to have full control of the State Department, nobody there is likely to be helpful in this situation.

    Generally a rather scary situation, considering both the Russian determination and the US cluelessness.

    • Replies: @Gidoutahere
  18. SafeNow says:

    When Maria is dumping Zukerman in Philip Roth’s “The Counterlife,” she asks: “Why this obsession with irresolvable conflict?” (She added “dissension and contentiousness put a spring in your heel.”) That’s the pattern of thought that dominates Washington. With 20 years of irresolvable Middle East conflict having run its course, new irresolvable conflicts must take their place. Maria asks Zukerman, “Don’t you want a new mental life?” He doesn’t.

  19. Void says:
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Yupp. And some guberments shut down domestic production before this event. I read an article from an idiot here blaming our dependence of importing gas on Putin after one of our leader assholes shut down a source. Won’t take long until people been drilled into more hating of Russia so I expect some activity before April. Wish I could have a say in any of it but I let the Alphamales solve it.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  20. Void says:

    Yes. It could be a farce. Not sure why. Maybe just distraction.

  21. GMC says:

    Without the same warning to Israel, the Russians will never get rid of the West – Hell , the ones that threaten and project their garbage to Russia , are all Israeli citizens too. lol But this is never mentioned and we need to look at the dual citizens working at the EU, Britain, Nato, etc. etc. etc.- whether they are heads of State or unelected snakes. Russia can slow down the Expansion but the Whitney Webb article yesterday , shows, Exactly who is pushing this Agenda and has been, and always will be – the perpetrators in the destruction of Russia and others.

    Maybe Russia has a deal with the Jews, maybe they have done so , in order to take out the phoney Dollar abuse in the world currency, but what they are forgetting, is that the Jews have many faces that they use, in order to get their way. And in the end , you don’t know if you are dealing with Zionists, the Talmud, the Mossad, or the WHO dba Gates Foundation , that is in the middle of this Lab experiment. There are sooo many players – but there are No Scorecards, so we don’t know about all the under the table deals.

    I’m for bitch slappin Ukraine but only take in Donbas , until the rest of the Russian/ Ukrainian people get their stuff together and maybe wake up. No way does Russia need the Ukie headache.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  22. @Biff

    As if Cuba has no say in the matter.

  23. ADKC says:

    An ultimatum requires a specific timescale and a stated “or else”. Russia, at most, has made demands. Time is on Russia’s side though I would now expect that Russia will respond if its redlines are crossed (but such defensive responses do not amount to an ultimatum).

    It undermines Russia to talk about an ultimatum that has not been made rather than the demands that have been made.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  24. @Tsar Nicholas

    Couldn’t They just use some other means to destroy their adversaries?
    I bet they have vehicles capable of going thru some pretty rough country regardless of nature’s obstacles.
    The last time this was gonna blow up the ground didn’t thaw until May. Seems like a long time from now if you’re counting on impassable mud.
    I bet those sneaky russkies even have a weapon that controls the weather. Make it frozen all year round then it’ll be really easy to just march there.
    Or they could just do really if you think about it any damn thing they feel satisfied doing.
    A great empire will be destroyed.

    Oh and come 8 January will be THE King Elvis birthday. Celebrate accordingly. With your hips.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  25. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    I am sick of the US zionist government and its constant lust for war to serve the interests of Nazi Israel.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  26. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    U.S. crude oil production fell by 8% in 2020, the largest annual decrease on record

    The production decline resulted from reduced drilling activity related to low oil prices in 2020.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  27. @obwandiyag

    Your remark is right on, thanks!

    The Core public bickering has many layers to mask the agreement on vaxing, other aggressive measures of social control. That is the covert, common interest of all, China, Russia and the US, International Corporations, anything that holds power. All players seem to agree nicely on the decision as to who the real enemy is. The commoner populations, their obese bulge planetarily, their disgenic tendencies, their polluting presence, their obsoleteness in technological sophisticated society, their irresponsive-ness to financialised herding, is the real game. The power players are just deciding on the quota of deplorables and their attributions territorially wise, the sum of their sorry bones. Conquering territory as in the traditional sense is pulp fiction.


    High technological grandstands …expect as a preposition enormous logistics, the vulnerabilities of complexity. So destruction is a sorry alternative. To have a High Sophistication setup, the brown noise of populations, their extend and quality needs to be addressed. Cure the park(the Jurassic part) and throw out the dinosaurs(invasive species). How this has to be done, not the why, or the what is what real power players are ambitioning. The psychology of mass communications is at work on all issues presented to the public. This article is such a soccer sequel. The differences between the US at hoc is psychological bluff minus internal population experimenting, against useless(in grand part, since mutually destructive) technological military superiority of Russia minus their astute alliance with China elites and off-setting publicly the US in-popularity, thus boosting some fringe currents in the media that are hard to suppress.

    The “real” “war” is on, escalating, irreversible. Winners are not going to be defined by territory but by friends and family that assume quality and cognitive capacity, alive and in comfort with decision and vetting rights. The “loosers” are a happy bunch, the dead and not-borns are happy and creatured virtually in the heavens of Catholicism, the Orthodox Church, and Allah’s domain somewhere about! Not a bad thing for either party.

    A new world means lesser stress on the elite populations, and depressurize the planetary environment. I do not wonder why this is not the obvious to the most, their allegiance to the comprehensive and pragmatic, readers and “writers” alike. But since the commenter seems to be the exception and sees through the wrappers, i scratched the itch of blurting out the obvious.

    There must be a psychological trick to induce by vaxxing the hard-ware level upgrade of the human psychology as for the aversion of overcrowding which the single humain species(contrary to race, which are many), can be modified, manipulated, upgraded?

    Winning war tactics! De-counting human obese blobs, and no destruction of outcomes in technology, and other real “progress” acquired over the last fifty thousand years is the definition of future war. Not a dilemma since shortly(last thirty years) but a hard problem indeed. Almost anybody goes blind, pics and axes set to the problem of frozen earth. Maybe the Jew mindset(contrary to most minds here at is closest to progress by detexturizing society at no cost to the elites and have a messy implosion then “tabula rasa”. See what can be done, a problem for further generations. The Russian and Chinese elites have a less messy approach and are more consequent in public communication, just different tactics.

    In case, territorial thinking is a theoretical left-over, the US, China and Russia’s tentacles over-cross, intertwine as do their vulnerabilities. To build the cerebrum universalis, the biomass omnipresent of “useless eaters” is the main and essential obstruction, the virus for which there can only be a vaxxing solution, the needle not the missile.

    Since this comment is the property of, feel free to “steal” and elaborate on the little inspirational suggestion made.

  28. Sean says:

    Better to live in a world in which nobody is threatening anybody and everybody feels secure

    It’s baked in the cake.

    • Agree: David from Alaska
  29. Russia needs to force the abandonment of NATO since it’s nothing but a US proxy. The US population should force the closure of all US bases in Europe and Asia. Russia could also make that part of negotiations.

    Russia should put their latest nuclear missiles on Iranian soil under total Russian control thereby making Iran a nuclear power by proxy. Israel should be told that their airforce is no longer allowed to fly outside Israeli airspace and shooting anything outside their airspace will get a lethal response. Dimona makes a nice target.

    • Replies: @simple mind
  30. Renoman says:

    Sick n tired is right! Cut the fuel, forever! No more ever. Plenty of Markets in the East, why do business with people pointing a gun at you? it’s always the money folks.

  31. @Biff

    How about in Mexico instead? Can you imagine how quickly illegal immigration would be shut-down…and maybe even the US southern border patrolled, or a “wall” built?
    A blessing for everyone.

  32. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    And worse than that. It’s not just the phobes, these lunatics want another Forever War. It’s like a frigging video game to them at this point, or a crack pipe.

  33. maloy says:

    “The Russian Navy operates the quietest submarines in the world”

    completely false

  34. What ‘else is’ the west digging its own grave in stupidity.

  35. @maloy

    Please substantiate your assertion.

    Or are you another one-and-doner?

    • Thanks: David from Alaska
    • Replies: @Mefobills
  36. @Tony massey

    All the means for destroying their adversaries are listed in the article.

    I think however that some actual occupation of ground is needed to secure Russian speaking areas like Donbass and LDNR, plus Odessa, and to secure water supplies to Crimea.

    And to humiliate NATO/US.

    • Replies: @MLK
  37. @obwandiyag

    This is the divisive argument by Waggaman aka slavsquat. It won’t stand!

  38. Anon[709] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘…. Moscow may judge that, in the USA’s precipitous decline, this will be the last chance that there will be sufficient central authority to form a genuine agreement…..’

    Wise observers recognize collapse is inevitable for the USA.

  39. How many coastal cities does the USA have? How many does Russia have?

    The Tsunami Wepaon, invented by UKUSA in New Zealand in 1946, was used in 2004 and 2011.

  40. More walk the walk and less talk the talk. When Russia dealt with Georgia the NATO-ites went bat shit crazy. What? You can’t do that! How dare you be so “aggressive”! Then there was the Crimean maneuver. What? You can’t do that! How dare you be so “aggressive”…. and so on. The only language these lunatics in DC understand is the language of action. They’re going to howl like the lying banshees that they are no matter what.

  41. Ned kelly says:

    What is terrifying is that they are pushing Putin into war! It seems very close…
    The usually cold and calculating Putin, just lost it at a press conference… That’s a very bad sign!
    A major catastrophe in Europe, for what? The most insane foreign policy ever conceived of?

    • Replies: @Decoy
    , @erzberger
  42. @Alfred

    God, who would knock any of those creatures up? I guess the male thirst in the military is just as bad now as during my time.

  43. They, the rulers, want to reduce the population and their covid efforts to achieve it hasn’t been very successful, therefore, we can expect the WWIII any day now with the blessing of the big four.

  44. If there is a war, it will be ostensibly fought over there, but in reality it will be about launching the final battle here in the west. China is the Rothschild banker’s new toy. Russia is the sparsely populate strategic and resource rich land mass. Humanity in Russia is optional. Same goes for the beautiful farm ground in the Ukraine.

    The US is just a discombobulated mess. Seems like as intended by the masters of the universe. Killing its youth thru war and vaccines would be the final chapter. The invading darken masses can then do the farm work and whatever else like they were bred to do in the antiquity days.

    God only knows what is driving the elite’s urgency in what seems like everything, but there does seem like a mass human sacrificial based plan afoot. Wonder if we were all to vax, no war? Or are nukes flying really needed for the endgame? Neither a psychopath or an elitist, so no clue. However I will wish to all who celebrate a very Merry Christmas.

  45. @Void

    I saw where Belgium just announced they will be shutting down their nuclear reactors…. I just don’t get it…

    • Agree: Decoy
    • Replies: @Getaclue
    , @RoatanBill
  46. MLK says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    As my comments low these many years attest, US geo-strategy since the end of The Cold War has gone from bad to worse. Reasonably intelligent and interested middle-schoolers not that long ago learned that USG Geopolitics 101 was to keep Eurasian powers from unifying.

    As disastrous as Bush and his Neocon filth were, the Obama era began the phase of consciously driving Russia into a Strategic Alliance with China.

    Continuing this to completion was and is a primary objective of the “Trump Must Go!” alignment.

    They made it rather clear over and over again there was no limit to what they would do to keep Trump from reducing tensions with Russia and extracting concessions therefrom in the national interest and that of our NATO allies. Instead, their every malefaction has been designed in furtherance of China’s rise and nascent hegemony.

    Remember, geopolitics really isn’t complicated except when it goes off the rails like this. It’s a matter of who gets what in the horse-trading. Say what you will about Putin, he has masterfully protected Russia’s interests, accepting the pathway corrupt American policymakers have insisted upon — all roads leading to China.

    As I predicted, the gifts to the global anti-Trump alignment would come fast and furious. And gifts is the right word because the US sovereign is getting nothing in return.

    Biden is Yeltsin, circa 1996-99. I’m no expert on Russia during that period, but whomever is driving the foreign policy bus in the “Biden” administration is more incompetent and corrupt than the low bar set in Russia during that period.

    This latest turn of the screw is notable because Russia has issued a detailed public ultimatum to the USG. The objective is anything but humiliating NATO/US. That’s the “we can do this the easy or the hard way . . .” threat.

    It’s not complicated. Russia wants the grand bargain it should have gotten after the collapse of the Soviet Union and its Warsaw Pact. Unless the USG has moved into what can only be described as a geopolitical suicide phase, it will get it without any meaningful long-term limitations on its alliance with China.

    That’s a Sad Story of monumental proportions. A sight to behold! I can’t be the only one to have figured out this was coming in the geopolitics blink of an eye when they started banging their “Unipolar Moment” monkey drum.

  47. The battle lines have been drawn

    America is a Nation whose highest social and cultural values are two homosexual pederast men exchanging their torn bloody diseased wedding bowels in Protestant Churches across America…

    Slavic Russia is an Orthodox Christian Nation whose highest social and cultural values are young Slavic Orthodox Christian Men and Women exchanging their Wedding Vows in majestic Slavic Orthodox Christian Churches across Russian…going on to have Slavic Christian Children…..

    Which Nation deserves to be nuked and blacktopped?

    America is the smell of feces in another man’s rectum…

    Slavic Orthodox Christian Russia is the smell of roses….

    • Replies: @Emerging Majority
  48. Thanks to vaccine mandates and the anti White purge going on, there are a lot of pissed off and disillusioned people in the US military. On top of the that, in the new military, there are lots of people who are mentally unstable, stupid and greedy or who really just don’t like America very much.

    Russia and China should set up a secure website where these people can safely and anonymously pass on intelligence in exchange for money. For even more money, they could be paid to sabotage equipment.

  49. Miro23 says:

    An idea would be for Putin to try a bit of non-military Regime Change of his own in Kiev. Problem solved.

    • Replies: @professorchops
  50. As war fever percolates, believe this is a good time to make sure one’s oil lamp is full (Matt. 25). Putin isn’t bluffing this time. He will act sooner than later. Astute commenter (#6) pointed out how winter soil favors early invasion of Ukraine.

    Questions are whether he will stop at the Dnieper or take the whole country. Or will the war escalate so quickly such questions become irrelevant. “Perilous times” ahead.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  51. Pentagon press release today:

    Rosie O’Donnell Female Impersonator General Mark Milley speaking on behalf of the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued the following statement today in response to Vladimir Putin’s press conference yesterday:

    General Mark Milley:”The Joint Chief’s of Staff will holding a very important meeting today in our Joint Chiefs of Staff steam bath hot top with bubbles….We will be joined in our steam bath hot tub with bubbles by the 1979 Gay Disco Pop Group The Village People who will be giving the Joint Chiefs a spectrum of Military options against the very very naughty Vladimir Putin”…..

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  52. Nat X says:

    More yt on yt acceptable violence…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. PtownPT says:
    @Automatic Slim

    You forget Mickey Gilly’s undeniable truth:
    “the girls get prettier at closing time”

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
  54. Better to live in a world in which nobody is threatening anybody and everybody feels secure.

    As long as Jews remain in control of the entire Western world, as they have for the past 75 plus years, it won’t ever happen. They thrive on war and turmoil.

  55. More russian bullshit. Russians are knuckle walkers. I will believe it when they defend syrian airspace from israeli planes.!!!Granted america is in decline with biden representing us but russia is already in the pit. And please no more talk about hypersonic weapons. These morons in moscow couldn’t defend sadam when we attacked. I don’t care if putin has a hypersonic dick;he got himself in a serious political trap with the ukraine dictate.I expect him to due what russia does when atacked in syria: nothing.

  56. @Zachary Smith

    Jews hate the Russians. Russia has essentially purged Jewish influence from its borders and this rankles the the Jewish elite. Jews control our politics hence this constant anti Russian drumbeat. US has a huge dysfunctional military and the brass knows it or else we would have seen action by now. They know better.

    • Replies: @Ned kelly
  57. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Ukraine needs regime change. After the coup the leaders were picked by the US, hardly anything democratic about that. The country faces dismemberment if the current regime is allowed to stay in place and act as a US proxy. The country was put together by communists, the eastern part in the ’20’s as a reward for Kiev going red, western parts were added by Stalin in ’39 and Crimea in ’54. The communists are gone and their work is unraveling. The fools in charge think the US will back them when they’re really just cannon fodder. The US will fight to the last Ukrainian and will wreck Europe in its drive to expand. The US is a continent away yet has its imperial reach everywhere.

  58. Russia is not going to invade Ukraine for all the reasons I said here years ago. It is a huge decaying, lawless, collapsed, unstable liability and Russia doesn’t want to rescue it, pay for it or police it.
    But, should there be a need for loud bangs in Ukraine, Russia has plenty of stand-off weapons.

  59. Ned kelly says:

    Maybe you haven’t notice all those Jewish oligarchs who control both Russia’s and Ukraine’s economies? It’s quite a list…

    • Replies: @Gidoutahere
  60. @Sick 'n Tired

    I don’t think Russia should play the childish game of tit for tat on economic sanctions. Russia should continue to supply gas and whatever the West wants to buy, but make them pay in Rubles and don’t go through any western controlled banking routes SWIFT (CIA controlled) or BIS (Rothschild controlled).

    Russia needs to be the sane nation in all of this. The US and its vassal states in Europe are insane and gradually being recognize for that.

    Russia must accelerate its development of an alternative global economy with China. This is especially true for the New Silk Road or the Belt and Road which will someday be a trading alliance of all Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. Europe can join it, if it likes. If not, Europe will grow poorer by the year.

  61. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    The decaying empire of the USA should be labled “The Sick Man of the West.” As a historical reference to the dying Ottoman Empire.
    Didnt the Crimean War cement the death of the Sick Man of Europe?

    • Replies: @Emerging Majority
  62. @SeekerofthePresence

    Questions are whether he will stop at the Dnieper or take the whole country.

    I believe Putin will take the entire state of Ukraine. He will do so to countervail the Polish and Romanian missiles just across the new border. The large territory will be a challenge to manage from Moscow (especially hostile cities like Lvov), but the strategic benefits will be worth it.

    Hypersonic missiles along the new border will allow him to preempt missile launches from those two countries. And they will place Europe’s capitals minutes from destruction, enough to make them twice about being ’Murika’s sock puppets against Moscow.

    Nato’s constant expansion has awakened the Bear. This time heads will role, starting with the Ukraine.

    • Disagree: Dingo bay rum
  63. @anon

    The EU could create it’s own unified army and ask the US to go home?

    • Replies: @Herald
  64. @War for Blair Mountain

    Russia is governed by someone who is cognizant of who he really is. Biden is the creation of a sistema. An empty suit.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  65. @Baxter

    The American Indians have claimed “White men speak with forked tongue”.

  66. sally says:
    @Adrian E.

    I agree with Mulga Mumblebrain.. and add that Russia has other problems in Syria,with Turkey and Israel in Afghanistan.. in Africa, and South America. and is evolving a very competitive non Swift solution for its global trade, so I think Russia is advising that without diplomatic change and without reversal of security encroachments challenging Russia, Russia will move forward on its invasion in Iraq like fashion, to take over and occupy Ukraine; it will do so, without providing one thin dime to Ukraine and so the Ukrainians will either shape up or become tribes without heat, food or water.

    After Kiev is in Russian hands, Russia will challenge the western world to provide Europe with Gas, Oil and technology its industries need to compete with China and Russia. Russia has determined it will no longer allow the Western world free reign over the Eastern parts of the med. or in the South China Seas. A challenge the western world cannot economical stand or successfully meet.. the net effect will be Russia and China and maybe Iran will become the 1958 style trade warrior the USA used to be.

    There is a solution, that no one speaks of, and that solution is to remove copyright and patent laws,(these are the laws that make a corporation bigger and more powerful than the states they do business in) worldwide. this will force the industries doing business in other people’s land to come home and that will return things to 1948 status.

  67. As 2021 ends and 2022 is set to begin, the world’s war criminals and COVID Deception mass murderers have apparently decided to completely ignore the powerful message now coming from 99.999% of humanity:

    “We reject any more of your stupid, unnecessary, criminal wars of aggression, mass murder bio-terrorism lies, and all the rest of your power-control-crazed heinous – unforgivable – criminal actions.”

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  68. Decoy says:
    @Adrian E.

    NATO is a classic bureaucracy. Once it’s original goal has been attained or circumstances underlying its creation have changed (Soviet Union disintegrated) the bureaucrats find other Dragons to slay. And boy oh boy is Russia/Putin not the biggest and baddest Dragon on the planet? Trump tried to tame NATO but that simply caused our Deep Staters and MICers to dig in there heels. Lots of cushy jobs in NATO. DeSantis is the most common sense politician we have left and I think he would give it another run. My bet, though, would still be on the bureaucrats.

    • Replies: @Fox
  69. Herald says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    The EU could create it’s own unified army and ask the US to go home?

    The only way to get rid of the US is to kick it out. When did asking work.

    • Agree: Deep Thought
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  70. Sorry dear author. Most of your list is nonsense. Russia doesn’t intend to do symbolic moves. Your list is largely symbolic. Russia won’t do any demonstration. Who are the rational people who need any convincing? There are none left. It’s just a fixation of terms in a rhetoric “diplomatic negotiation”. Let the Western elite fooks know they will get blasted if they try something funny. Russia has a defensive posture. It doesn’t have the populace, resources now, economy and military strength for anything else. It just lets the lunatics know they will be killed by crossing red lines.

  71. Yee says:

    USG Geopolitics 101 was to keep Eurasian powers from unifying

    Ture, but for the US, the powers shouldn’t be unifying are West Europe and Russia, China and Japan…

    • Replies: @Miro23
  72. @GMC

    Russia has been distributing its passports in some parts of Ukraine for sometime now. I only hope those are in good hands. Else, half the Ukrainian government may run away into Russia, you never know.

    • Replies: @GMC
  73. @Ned kelly

    6 of the 7 economic oligarchs to emerge in the Yeltsin free for all were Jewish and were curbed by Putin. Berovsky, Guzinsky, Smolensky, Khordkovsky, Friedman, and Malkin. Those who remain are used by Putin and not vice versa. They who remain do not interfere with Russian politics. Anti Jewish sentiment is openly expressed in Russia. Most tellingly, Russia paid off the Rothschild bankers and showed Soros the door. The Russia Rothschild divorce was quite bitter.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @GMC
  74. Dystopian says:

    Although the long term viability of fracking is in question there is no doubt that the Biden regime’s attack on the energy sector is responsible for our current woes.

  75. Nick J says:

    From here in NZ its hard to see this issue as totally pointless.

    The US is in economic and cultural freefall, you’d think that they would have better things to do than create trouble with Russia.

    From a Russian viewpoint I can understand that they feel threatened but these amazing weapons systems must be ruinously damaging to their economy. Cutting off gas would be far less costly.

    My Christmas wish is for all people of goodwill to vote their current leaders out and stop this madness.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  76. You can learn a lot from this:

    The Timing of Russia’s Ultimatum to NATO (by Andrei Martyushev)

    • Thanks: InnerCynic, Agent76
  77. @Anonymous

    The Crimean War, orchestrated by the British and French governments at the behest of their covert rulers, the Rottenchild Crime Clan, was all about Russia not being able to liberate the Ottoman’s remaining holdings in Europe. No way did the Crime Clan want Russia to achieve access to blue water via the Bosphorus and Dardanelles.

    Thus was the Sick Man of Europe “saved” by the bell and the Ionian Greeks, the Armenians and other victims in latter years effectually condemned by this assault on Crimea by the Bank\$ter dominated powers.

    • Agree: Avery
    • Thanks: chris
    • Replies: @Avery
  78. Decoy says:
    @Ned kelly

    I don’t agree with your Putin is losing it theory. Even “cold and calculating” individuals are allowed to show emotion on occasion. Putin is the right guy for Russia and the world at this point in time. He is steadfast in defense of Russia and is not going to bow to the current crazy Western world policies which will run their course. They will end simply because they are unsustainable.

  79. Here is one thing that Putin is doing….supporting the rights of the untaxed!

  80. I’ve said this before and I will say it again, the west, especially USA, needs a physical ass whipping, the kind that was once part of growing up.
    The pos manning GlobalHomoZioBIGsRxMIC3BLM attacks on Humanity should be forced to kneel to their white Christian masters and repent their evil ways or parish in the fires of their own hate.

    Dontz fo-getz ta leb Black Sanna Claw sum KFC by de Cremma tree tonite.

  81. kemerd says:
    @Patrick Armstrong

    I agree with Scott Ritter, or else is indeed military. Perhaps they would not want to invade the whole country but I see no reason why they would not destroy the Ukrainian military and regime in Kiev or even invade east of Dnieper river.

    Ukraine might be corrupt but it has an educated population and a lot of arable land along with providing strategic depth to Russia.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  82. Mefobills says:
    @Greta Handel

    Greta, good job pushing back.

    The mainstay of the Russian Navy’s conventionally powered fleet are Project 877–class submarines, known as the Kilo class to NATO and the West. Nicknamed the “Black Hole” submarine by the U.S. Navy, the Improved Kilos are extremely quiet. The class has been built more or less continuously for thirty years, a testament to their effectiveness at sea.

    People make claims all the time. A lot of these claims are wishful thinking, what I call whistling past the graveyard.

    It is important to push back, which you did.

    • Agree: David from Alaska
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  83. Getaclue says:

    NWO Mass Murder Agenda – injections, no food, no heat…= depopulation– they’ve been very up front about it if you actually look and listen to them — WEF – “You will have NOTHING and be happy.” — dead and “happy”

  84. Mefobills says:

    My advice is to not take any of it too seriously. Putin knows the only thing worse than NATO is no NATO. And does he really want to humiliate NATO? The entire project can’t withstand that much reality.

    There are two prongs to Russian demands, One is a treaty with the U.S., including Senate ratification.

    The other is an agreement with NATO. An agreement is required due to NATO not being a state.

    The agreement rolls NATO up, and pushes it back to East Germany. All off the existing NATO installations in East Europe are to be shut down.

  85. Z-man says:

    Yes, but even Putin seems to defer to Zionist wishes/demands sometimes.

    • Replies: @Gidoutahere
  86. @Dingo bay rum

    I am sure that Assad has a minimal damage policy, while Syria’s military gets increasingly more powerful, and the alliance between Syria, Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah continues its improved military structure that Russia interventions will not be necessary.
    For example, Iran just presenting its Israeli map of strategic targets!

  87. The roman says:

    This situation is analogue of the polish- german comfrontation that led to ww2. The hidden power held the german hostages in Pomerania and the russians in the Donbass for the same reason : keep the defeated nation under check. So far ,Putin and his group have avoided a direct intervention in defense of their consanguineous, who went trough a real hell since the overthrow of Janukovsky. The only voice that matter is the one of Valery Gerasimov who clearly said yhat every provocation in Donetsk and Lugansk will be suppressed . This the real ultimatum.

  88. @sally

    Thanks. So US replied that they’ll talk in January and no WWIII on Christmas Day.

  89. @Alfred

    I would be all in favour of this, if women are mad enough to want to ‘serve’ in the armed forces, IF the US military was a defensive outfit designed to protect the USA, or actually work in peace-keeping and disaster relief etc, elsewhere on Earth. But the US military is actually a great Moloch of death, destruction, terror and child-murder, which makes military ‘maternity’ a particularly gruesome and vile perversion.

    • Agree: IreneAthena, Alfred
  90. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Hi Mulga… good to see you still out there! I’m long gone commenting on TS because of the monumental intellectual snobbery of the host. Your reason?

  91. @anon

    The quintessence of bull-shit.

  92. Agent76 says:

    Apr 4, 2019 NATO EXIT: By Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

    NATO is a criminal entity, an instrument of the Pentagon. There is no “Alliance”. There is military Occupation.

    Nov 29, 2016 The Map That Shows Why Russia Fears War With US

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  93. chris says:

    Good point, but the way I see it, is that unlike in the 1960s, the second this operation proceeds past the planning stage, the US would just invade Cuba, citing an imminent threat.

    Russia could in teen invade Ukraine using the same rationale as the US.

    The reason this is actually more difficult is the question of why the Cuban government would go along with such a plan, as they would have nothing to gain by it. And Russia, in contrast to the USSR doesn’t have the kind of leverage over Cuba it had back then.

    Ukraine and Taiwan today are placing themselves in the position of Poland in 1939. Western powers are asking for them to be the fall guy for western strategic interests. This only works with thoroughly corrupt governments who have an escape hatch for themselves, and are willing to let the rest of their compatriots get clobbered.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  94. @interesting

    Fracking has NEVER made a dime in profits, only exists because of zero interest rates, is intensely polluting, including of precious ground-water, and mostly produces hydrocarbons only useful for making plastics, and we can never have too much plastic fucking up the biosphere, now can we. A true triumph of really existing ‘Market Magic’.

    • Disagree: Dingo bay rum
  95. *if* ww3 ever broke out, it’s a no-brainer that purely military targets would be vaporised first, especially those with high strategic value.
    Diego Garcia, Menwith Hill, Pine Gap.
    No need to publish those.

    What will really get them scrambling to the negotiation table, is to publish a list of the favourite playgrounds, as well as deep bunker sites.
    Davos, Nice, NZ, Tasmania, Hawaii, Patagonia.


    .. but this is all just posturing, ww3 is already in progress, and it’s not East v West, but Top-Down.

    • Agree: Tony massey
  96. @Agent76

    East Germany was behind the iron country. Albania was not part of the Warsaw pact.

    The US has no bases in the Stans. The US had a base for transit into and out of Aghanistan. That base was closed at the insistence of Putin.

    The ABM treaty was routinely violated by the Soviet Union and Russia. The US has moved no missiles back to Europe. The ABM system in Romania was installed because of Iran.

    The lecturer is simply a weak minded man who buys anything Putin’s propaganda spews. Putin has no reason to fear anyone except in response to his own aggression in Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. Putin, OTOH, wants to be feared and have the same sort of influence the USSR had.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  97. Miro23 says:

    USG Geopolitics 101 was to keep Eurasian powers from unifying

    True, but for the US, the powers shouldn’t be unifying are West Europe and Russia, China and Japan…

    If Europe (not the UK – a hopeless case) and Russia made friends, and China and Japan made friends then that would be the end of the ZioGlob Empire.

    So it looks like something to work on.

    • Replies: @Yee
  98. nsa says:
    @Patrick Armstrong

    The US attack on Iraq is now the blueprint for quickly taking down a much weaker society…..disable the power grid. The US used carbon fiber missiles on Baghdad, but 50 conventional missiles could easily take out the substations attached to every power plant in either the Ukraine or Taiwan. Modern societies do not function in the dark…capitulation would soon follow. In the absence of a power grid, urban humans start eating each other within a month……sooner in a mixed race depraved lawless society like 2021 Amelika. South Sea cannibals called it long pork…..a delicacy when properly prepared.

  99. @Z-man

    Perhaps not about the Ukraine, huh?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  100. In the beginning….Satan made the cockroach for practice…..Then Satan followed this up by creating Joe Biden….

    • Replies: @Z-man
  101. Avery says:
    @Emerging Majority


    Had the French and Brits not come in and saved the Ottoman Turks, the murderous Ottoman (Muslim) Turks would have been crushed by (Christian) Russia and the decrepit Ottoman Empire dismantled for good. The result of the French and British interference was that ~60 years later the Turks wiped out the remaining indigenous Christians of Asia Minor: Armenians, Assyrians, and Pontic Greeks.

    • Replies: @anon
  102. Fox says:

    Lord Ismay in 1953:

    The purpose of NATO is:

    To keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down.

    • Thanks: Decoy
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  103. @showmethereal

    The other part of that story is that they want to install SMR’s.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  104. this will be the last chance that there will be sufficient central authority to form a genuine agreement; an agreement that will avoid a catastrophic war.

    Agreement with the US and NATO? I suppose such an agreement will be as binding and durable as the JCPOA.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  105. @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg

    That empty suit has squired a prize son –Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton for 2024—” he came –then went off—things go better with Coke”

  106. Joe Wong says:

    The ruling class in Taiwan are fake Taiwanese, they are left behind bastards by the Imperial Japanese military occupiers, as well as those are totally mentally colonized Taiwanese who were more Jap than Japanese. They not only spoke Japanese, lived in Japanese way, took Japanese names, and they even replaced their ancestors with Japanese.

    The Taiwanese ruling class believe they are working diligently and bravely to revert Taiwan to their homeland’s, Japan, control. Therefore Taiwan’s ruling class has no hesitation to let Taiwanese get clobbered, because Taiwanese is not their compatriots, or one of them at all.

    • Replies: @chris
    , @Parbes
  107. The Russians expected a reply to their ultimatum by 8pm Moscow time and no such reply has been received.

    And Maria Zakharova of the Foreign Ministry has accused the western powers of sending 10,000 troops to Ukraine (4,000 of them from the US) as trainers/military advisors.

    I would say that the situation is heating up and that some event is imminent.

  108. teo toon says:

    There are no Russian troops on The Ukrainian border; there are only migrants looking for a home. Biden should understand that and have some compassion.

    I love how these neo-clowns love to give ultimatums but the other guy responding to their aggression is the aggressor. What is amazing is that these neo-clowns’ fathers and grandfathers were so concerned about the U.S. not respecting the Soviet Union’s sphere of influence; but, now that their cousins are no longer in charge of Russia, it’s our sphere of influence ends inside Kremlin gates.

    • Agree: GMC
  109. @Fox

    To keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down.

    American [dicks] in, Russian [dicks] out and German [women] down.

  110. @Patrick Armstrong

    Looking at the buildup of forces and facilities, my guess is that Putin intends to take the Donbass back into Russia and secure a land corridor to Sevastopol.

    For example, check out the base near Soloti ( 50.274601° N by 38.008706°E). Those coordinates and the Google Earth time machine will show the construction of a substantial bunker in 2018, with barracks a kilometer to the east a year or two before and tanks, etc. arriving this year. There are also indications of substantial underground development just north of the bunker.

    Maybe Putin is that afraid of the Ukraine attacking him, or maybe he has other plans. Biden has essentially stated that we will not go to war over the Donbass.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  111. nickels says:

    Just waste the whole GPS constellation and call it a day.

  112. Anon[696] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia should do what the yankees would do- stop the bluster and carry out a pre emptive strike on Ukraine. End of story

  113. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Well, if you think of her as the product of the US control of German political class, it becomes easy to understand why she does what she does. Same with American politicians acting and voting against the interest of the people they are suppose to represent.

    That is why the current state of democracy is a joke.

    • Replies: @Johan
  114. GMC says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    Ya, There are about a 1/2 to 1 million more Russians because of that strategy. But now, when the Ukie’s attack Donbas, they are attacking Russian citizens – a smooth move really. Every few months the FSB grabs a bunch of Ukie’s trying to blow something up in Crimea , they never say if these guys had grabbed a free Ru Passport or not. We will assume that they did – спасибо OBF

  115. Alfred says:

    The ABM system in Romania was installed because of Iran.

    And the one they are installing in Poland too? 🤣

    You are so full of crap that it is unworthy to provide links and so on.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
  116. GMC says:

    What is very confusing is the Covid partnership with the WHO and the Gates Foundation in Moscow. Those QR codes are being givin out with your vaccination status attached to them , since I took one , just to see what was up – my status is up in 6 mos. The only places I have been asked for a verification of a vax, was at a small mall in Yalta, and a couple indoor restaurants. But in some other towns, nobody is asking for anything. So, the normal Russians , it looks like , are not going to cut their own throats in business for some Moscow scheme.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  117. Sean says:
    @Rodion Raskolnikov

    Russia must accelerate its development of an alternative global economy with China. This is especially true for the New Silk Road or the Belt and Road which will someday be a trading alliance of all Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.

    Traditionally Russia gets invaded from the West and they are fighting in Ukraine because they want to control a buffer zone between Russia and the traditional invasion route. In Poland, the plain is only 300 miles wide—from the Baltic Sea in the north to the Carpathian Mountains in the south—but after that point it stretches to a width of about 2,000 miles near the Russian border, and from there, it offers a flat route straight to Moscow. Thus Russia’s repeated attempts to occupy Poland throughout history; the country represents a relatively narrow corridor into which Russia could drive its armed forces to block an enemy advance toward its own border, which, being wider, is much harder to defend.

    China’s global infrastructure is really irrelevant to protecting Russia. Indeed one could see an alliance with China as making Russia a target for subversion by enemies of China who want to take an indirect approach. Russia made a similar mistake when allying with Nazi Germany. The British and French were going to militarily intervene and come to Finland’s aid.

    The astoundingly rapid (if it was indigenous) technological progress made by North Korea towards thermonuclear ICNMs is most easily explained by China supplying know-how to Kim in order to use North Korea as a deniable asset to turn up the heat on the US when it had Trump as president. Haven’t heard much from Kim lately, have we? Kim effectively functioned as a proxy of China.

    • Thanks: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  118. chris says:
    @Joe Wong

    I didn’t know that, Joe, but you can just tell that there’s something fishy about them (exactly as in Ukraine) because, instead of being a bridge between the big powers, they are aggressive pawns against their own people’s interest.

    And let’s be clear about it, China and Russia are not being ruled by Mao and Stalin. Like all governments, they are flawed systems, but nothing worth getting your people killed for.

    After fighting Russia and winning, Finland was very neutral during the entire Cold War. When the threat was the greatest, it played a very constructive role. That, for me is the model of taking your people’s interests seriously.

    • Replies: @siberiancat
  119. Levtraro says:

    Ukraine might be corrupt but it has an educated population and a lot of arable land along with providing strategic depth to Russia.

    Good points. I agree that Ukraine is overall a good asset, especially for Russia, its horrible situation currently potentially being just temporary.

    Ukraine today is like Russia pre-Putin: controlled by criminal oligarchic gangs many of them of Jewish leadership leading to poverty, corruption, dishonour and loss of sovereignty. So the question for Putin is: can he repeat in the Ukraine the success he had in Russia in destroying the power of all those despicable oligarchs, send them to live in London, to bend the knee, or to go to prison, at a reasonable cost?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  120. Levtraro says:
    @Patrick Armstrong

    Russia is not going to invade Ukraine for all the reasons I said here years ago. It is a huge decaying, lawless, collapsed, unstable liability …

    That is exactly how Russia was before Putin, and yet here we are now, with Russia improving steadily, becoming more powerful militarily, and governed with dignity and independence. The situation in the Ukraine may quickly turn around as well provided it is disinfected thoroughly.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
  121. annamaria says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    America used to be a land of inventiveness, exploration, and big dreams. Today it is a shell of the former self eaten out by the usual traitors – the financiers class and war profiteers. The MIC has managed to weed out the independent-minded patriots of the US while cultivating opportunists and murderous psychopaths.
    In the US, the healthy homeostatic mechanisms of feedback are totally broken, hence the demented prez, Israel-dedicated speaker of the house, crumbling infrastructure, laughable “educational” system, BigPharma “healthcare” system – and the world-spread American gangsterism.
    The US is a gangster state led by morally impotent and small-minded people.

    • Agree: Avery, Alfred, Tony massey
  122. They, the hidden masters & owners of the West, the Judeo-Zionists, will not stop the harassment of Russia. They know that the country they looted in the 1990s is an existential danger to their power. They are quite aware that the day Russia stops selling its goods in the counterfeit fiat currency of theirs, the so-called US Dollar, they will lose their satanic grip on Western Civilisation.

    • Agree: annamaria, Z-man
  123. Parbes says:
    @Joe Wong

    “…Taiwan’s ruling class has no hesitation to let Taiwanese get clobbered, because Taiwanese is not their compatriots, or one of them at all”

    The solution to that is easy: You MAKE SURE that Taiwan’s ruling class understand that, come violence time, they, themselves, will get clobbered too, no matter WHAT.

    The real question is: Do the Chinese have the guts and backbone to do anything at all, or are they willing to sit back doing nothing like a 1.4 billion-strong mass of wimpy weak beta people with an inferiority complex, and watch themselves get besieged, demonized and choked off?

  124. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Patrick Armstrong

    Russia is not going to invade Ukraine for all the reasons I said here years ago. It is a huge decaying, lawless, collapsed, unstable liability and Russia doesn’t want to rescue it, pay for it or police it.

    The exception being a Kiev regime Operation Storm like strike on Donbass, which Russia can’t so easily tolerate as explained:

    Perhaps not so likely as noted:

    It’s not so much a matter of Putin needing a sideshow to take attention away from other problems as much as when compared to the situations with Biden, Zelensky (much lower poll ratings than Putin) as well as NATO big power chauvinists and uber Ukrainian svidos.

  125. Alfred says:

    Ukraine today is like Russia pre-Putin

    Not at all. It is like what Russia would have become today if Putin had not straightened it out 20 years ago.

    The reality is that most Ukrainians have been deprived of honest journalism for decades. The first thing they did after Maidan was to shut down all opposition TV stations – 3 in Kharkov alone. Recently, Zelensky accused the chief of the main opposition party of treason. He is under house arrest. His TV stations have been shut down. Zelensky is also accusing his Maidan predecessor. Poroshenko, of treason. Poroshenko fled the country before he could be arrested. I believe he is in Poland.

    School curriculum have been changed and history rewritten. Most Ukrainians are quite brainwashed. The Russians know that it would take 30 years and a tremendous investment to sort out Ukraine. They don’t have the time and they prefer to use these resources to build up Russia. They are happy to accept Ukrainians who want to move to Russia.

    Lastly, the Russians want Ukraine to remain a drain on the West. Ukraine is the baby of Germany and the USA.

    Here is a German newsreel about the attack on Sevastopol, Crimea.

    Video Link

    The mayor of Kherson (next to Crimea but in Ukraine) is pulling down statues of the heroic defenders of Sevastopol. What idiocy!

  126. Hibernian says:

    Moscow could recall ambassadors, reduce foreign missions, restrict movement of diplomats in Russia.

    Go ahead and make our day.

    • LOL: Alfred
  127. Hibernian says:

    We need to bring the boys and girls back home even though they, or rather their elites, beg us to stay.

  128. Yee says:

    The US has enough resources to prop up or ruin European and Japanese politicians, as well as firm control of media to brainwash the masses, friend-making in Europe and Asia aren’t going to happen any time soon…

  129. Honestly, this looks like Khrushchevian tantrum to me. Putin is only now starting to grasp, that he has been outplayed in the Ukraine. His response is to shake his fist so that US will give him what he failed to achieve on his own. That’s just sad.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  130. Ned kelly says:
    @Patrick Armstrong

    The crisis is being framed from a Western propaganda angle: Putin the Mad on his reconquista crusade against poor helpless Ukraine.
    Instead of the Russian existential one: NATO, to be or not to be?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  131. AndrewR says:
    @Jerry Alatalo

    There is often a big difference between what “Jerry Alatalo” thinks and what 99.999% of humanity thinks. This is a very clear example. Hundreds of millions of Americans have bought into government lies.

  132. @War for Blair Mountain

    To an outside observer, it must appear that America is governed by a bunch of deranged lunatics on Twitter. The truth is we are governed by neo feudalists who have socially engineered millions of Americans into a frenzied mob of idiots, the loudest and most deranged of whom frequent twitter to lead the mob of idiots.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  133. Z-man says:

    It’s about world domination by the International Jew. If Putin had a Christian-Nationalist partner/counterpart in America there would be a good chance to defeat them, but with Putin alone I don’t think so.

  134. @maloy

    So if you disagree then you should counter with information to disprove his point. Well we do know that diesel electric subs are quieter than nuclear subs… So which models do you hear are the quietest diesel electric subs?

  135. @Mefobills

    Russia also sold those upgraded ones to China and Vietnam. But I would like to see a comparison to German and Japanese newest diesel electrics (and the Chinese too since they- I am sure learned lessons from those Kilos)… But of course those will probably all be classified. But yeah many seem to have no clue diesel electrics are quieter than nuclear subs. Nuclear subs advantage is they can basically travel non stop and are faster etc. But they aren’t the quietest and aren’t as “sneaky” when you want to ambush surface fleets. I guess it just hubris from that original poster since the US has no diesel electric subs.

  136. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    Armenio might think that being a Christian nation should have saved them . They possibky invoked the history of being first Chrostian country in the history . They thought English poets would chnage the foreign polices of Britain . They thought that being Christian should hvae given them speacial conisderation . They thought the medieval poetrayls of Arab – mulsims would come to their suucor . They thiight that self – inflcited wounds ( Tureky and so called genocide of Armenia ) would also be forgotten by the historians .
    Recent behvaiors of Armenia that it could hold on to the lands it occupied in 1991 betray tthe same stupidity , arriagnce and entitlments. Aerbazian would be stuoid to thunk it can hold on to the land without a just and honest peace .

    • Replies: @Avery
  137. @RoatanBill

    I could be wrong but it sounded like a bait and switch… Can they do that by 2025? What do they do in the interim? And will the SMR’s really happen??? Is not true that Germany and France want to turn away from nuclear?? If they do – how will there be a large enough supply chain in Europe for anyone to have nuclear energy? Unless they buy from Russia nuclear tech (or China – who just put the 1st 4th gen reactor online) – which would still make the US unhappy… Serious questions…

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  138. @Sean

    Ukrainian scientists were the main drivers behind North Korea’s nuclear program… Not Chinese (and for the record some Ukrainians also helped China with other weapons programs like jet engines after the Soviet collapse). The Kim clan was allied with the Soviets – not China. Also Koreans are very high IQ… They didn’t even need that much help.

  139. @showmethereal

    You must remember that these are politicians making these decisions. Shit for brains is a qualification for the job.

    They have no clue what they’re asking for. SMR’s really only exist in prototype and experimental stages of production. It will likely be years before the first one is certified for commercial use and then they need to ramp up the manufacturing which is another challenge. These aren’t hot dogs coming off an assembly line, at least not initially. Once their manufacturing is a known quantity, then they can be produced in quantity for the world’s needs.

    I applaud their decision to not build any more of the typical light water reactors that are the mainstay nuclear throughout the world. To specify a date when the older nuclear units are to be shut down without knowing their replacement is in hand is typical political non thinking / posturing for votes from the dolts that can’t see through the scam.

    Germany is committed to shutting down 3 nuclear reactors in 2022. I seriously doubt that will happen once we hit the end of March, seeing as how they are now short of gas and winter is just starting. France has a long term commitment to nuclear and I haven’t heard of any plans for them to reduce their nuclear capability. France hosts ITER trying to make fusion work for commercial power, but I doubt they’ll make any headway for at least another 10 years on just the testing, never mind test units and then commercial units. Strength of materials is the key stumbling block and has been for decades.

    Soon, there will be a realization that only fission nuclear has the capability of supplying base load for all industrialized nations and then there will be a mad rush to produce SMR’s. I suspect that there will be major power supply problems in those nations that have a bunch of Green enthusiasts in government. They’re too stupid to understand that Green is a fantasy at grid level scale. Their education will come at a huge cost to their populations and GDP.

  140. Avery says:

    Learn to type words correctly* and write proper sentences before you attempt to engage me in a debate — stuoid Turk.

    ” Chrostian country in the history ”
    ” Tureky and so called genocide of Armenia ”
    “Aerbazian would be stuoid to thunk…”

    btw: the superb UNZ commenting software automatically underlines wrong spellings of word in RED as you type. Are colorblind as well as stupid?

    • Replies: @anon
  141. @RoatanBill

    Nukes are simply NOT NEEDED. Renewables can EASILY power the world, and we just need to improve transmission and storage systems. Thorium might be useful-the Chinese seem to think so, and that is where most advances will come. ‘Small’ nukes means MANY nukes. If we ever get fusion, we can take down all the wind turbines, which I rather find visually polluting, too. But by then solar PV will be ubiquitous in roofs, windows, car bodies etc. Intelligent urban design, housing design for passive cooling, urban tree planting, raised albedo with reflective urban surfaces etc, will fix the ‘heat island’ effect and lower the demand for air-conditioning. You just gotta think positive, Bill.

  142. @Alfred

    The current regime in Banderastan is fully Nazi, controlled by Jews like Kolomoisky , and boot-licking to the Fourth Reich in Thanatopolis DC. What’s not to like?

  143. anon[196] • Disclaimer says:

    According to a high IQ Armenio -a moron by Caucasian standard -understanding of events depends on how to lie to himself after being told the unvarnished truth .

    Armenio- Genocide ! Go and screw yourself and join the rest stuck in Armenio .

    • Replies: @Avery
  144. @Rodion Raskolnikov

    The one problem I see is that Russia could become the junior partner (not the dominant) in economic relations with China.

    And there is the fact that China is still (despite increasing tension) heavily connected with the US in economy.

    The Russians need to build their infrastructure in cities outside Moscow and St Petersburg to replace the older Soviet buildings.

    The country certainly has a lot of potential.

    • Replies: @siberiancat
  145. Sisifo says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You are thinking like an Australian, in Europe they need heating much more than.cooling, even in the South air conditioning is as ubiquitous as in Australia or in the USA, people just live in hot houses.

    But in Winter, no heating means death. There are enlightening statistics about deaths in the lower socioeconomic due to cold.

    And I don’t see any technogical solution that can make use of renewables to heat up houses in the near future. No, heat pumps aren’t one, air to air don’t work at all at those temperatures, and geothermal heat oumps are incredibly expensive (and most of the cost is labour, so can’t be brought down) and quite often technically impossible in high density areas.

    • Agree: Alfred, Philip Owen
    • Replies: @simple mind
  146. Johan says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Democracy is always a joke, a bad one pulled of by the people. With the plutocracy in control things are becomming intelligently interesting and serious again. Democracy is not for real men.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  147. Johan says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Your talking nonsense again, the Western elite loves Russia, it’s just they had a bad love affair with it, they still love to get their hands on Russia.

    • Troll: Petermx
  148. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Renewables can EASILY power the world, and we just need to improve transmission and storage systems.

    Not easiy, but it could certainly be done. Problem is, nobody is proposing anything resembling a ‘crash’ program.

    I don’t have the internet skills to check, but I suspect the annual US investment in “renewables” is some low number comparable to the spending on pets, or dining out.

    The US Power Elites simple don’t consider Climate Change to be a problem.

    Russia cutting off the natural gas to Western Europe could be a blessing in disguise. That might finally cause the Euros to start making some really serious efforts on the Energy front.

  149. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nat X

    More yt on yt acceptable violence…

    Baboons won’t be spared, Natty.

    If stool ever actually impacts the electric air-mover, honkies might well use the moment to cull inner-city welfarians…unleashing Aztecs on Wakandans.

    Caucasians might also just sit back and let Russia-China take over, getting rid of The Diverse, The Mooching, the Feminist, and The Unproductive.

    Turning America into a White European-Russian/Yellow Chinese-Asian realm would be a wonder to behold. It might also augur a new golden era of peace, progress, and productivity.

    • Replies: @Nat X
  150. Petermx says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The western Europeans and Americans are a disgusting bunch. It makes it very difficult to be from one of these countries of perverts and ninnies. The opposition to the extreme left lunatic fringe (which includes all established parties in these countries, even the so called “conservatives” have these people) does not appear to have enough support to voice their displeasure at their governments. There should be massive demonstrations in western Europe against their governments hostile and dangerous attitude toward Russia.

  151. @RoatanBill

    Well now I’m reading them say “if they can find alternate ‘green’ sources”. Yeah I didn’t think they could be that stupid. And while Germany does plan to end all its nuke energy – I see where France plans to wind down to 50% by 2035…. Interesting times ahead.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  152. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    China has installed the most solar and wind power…. yet there were blackouts this year in the north east because of a drop in coal use – so China had to go back to using coal in that region. China currently has more than a dozen nuclear plants under construction and plans to triple that by 2050. So not even China believes solar and wind can power the world fully.

    • Replies: @CosmicMythos
  153. GMC says:

    Totally agree, the anti propaganda against Putin and Russia was first put on the Radio free Ukraine, right after the Maidan and the vote to head Home to Mother Russia. I was having diner at my father in laws home , where is wife is a super programmed anti Putin woman, who listens non stop in her chicken and egg shop she has that sells in Alushta. Anyways the conversation started to heat up and they made the wrong mistake of asking me how I saw the situation – lol wrong thing to do – because I told them the entire truth about the US/Nato and EU organizing the coup. All the way down to the point where the US was looking to buy land outside Sevastopol and the 7th US Navy fleet – sitting near Turkey – licking it’s ignorant chops. So, that was the end of that conversation and I haven’t heard a Peep out of anyone , when I visit.
    Unfortunately Mya, who is Pop’s wife has cancer and is in the final stage, and I’m sure all this stress – certainly didn’t help matters.

    PS: In 2013 Obama signed into Law – that Radio free Ukraine, Europe and the other propaganda shows overseas, can now be used on the American people – and the Government media is doing as good a job as the Ukies are, on their populaces.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  154. America doesn’t care about oil supply beyond controlling it. It sanctions Iran and Venezuela. The Europeans sanction these countries too. High oil prices would help their green economy grift.

    Only the physical destruction and/or financial destruction of the West would work. They could put nukes in Cuba again and make America’s day. America’s grifters will say, “we need another trillion in defense spending to fight the Russians.” The people will run around scared because everything they believe is nonsensical.

    Putin says that it isn’t an ultimatum but a “proposal.” He should know the West can’t be trusted and doesn’t take Russia seriously. Can you negotiate with dishonest grifters? Iranians know the answer is no. He is probably going through the motions to absolve himself of what comes next in front of his own people. America would love for Russia to be stuck in perpetual negotiations like the Iranians, keeping the hope alive that anything other than complete surrender is on the table.

    Russia’s main problem is that it isn’t believed. Russians value their lives and will not sacrifice them on an effective first strike against their enemies (before these white rats escape into their nuclear bunkers). That is why NATO is on their border. America wants threats. It wants Russia to play the villain so it can play the hero. Psychopaths love danger.

    Why is America challenging China? Because America sees a new dance partner to its grift. Terrorism was the grift of the past (except for accusing unfavored white people of it), now it is “revisionist powers.” Russia gives an ultimatum/proposal and America is giddy with excitement! I can’t imagine the response will be anything other than nonsensical like that meeting between Blinkin and the Chinese diplomats in Alaska. Russia has allies, a quarter of the planet is sanctioned by America. They just need to figure out how to financial dethrone the West and cut it out of the global south’s market if possible.

    • Thanks: GMC
  155. annamaria says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Your frivolous response illustrates why VVP is a president of the Russian Federation and you are not.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  156. annamaria says:
    @Ned kelly

    An excellent definition of NATO:

    A global organization to prevent world war has become the main machinery to create tyranny and oppression.

  157. annamaria says:

    “we are governed by neo feudalists who have socially engineered millions of Americans into a frenzied mob of idiots”
    — Time to look closely at the owners of BlackRock and Vanguard.

    The power of these two companies is beyond your imagination. …

    Bloomberg calls BlackRock “The fourth branch of government” because it’s the only private agency that closely works with the central banks. BlackRock lends money to the central bank but it’s also the advisor. It also develops the software the central bank uses. Many BlackRock employees were in the White House with Bush and Obama.

    …BlackRock, itself is also owned by shareholders. Who are those shareholders? We come to a strange conclusion. The biggest shareholder is Vanguard. But now he gets murky. Vanguard is a private company and we cannot see who the shareholders are. The elite who own Vanguard apparently do not like being in the spotlight but of course they cannot hide from who is willing to dig.

    Reports from Oxfam and Bloomberg say that 1% of the world, together owns more money than the other 99%. Even worse, Oxfam says that 82% of all earned money in 2017 went to this 1%.


    Big Pharma and mainstream media are largely owned by two asset management firms: BlackRock and Vanguard.

    Drug companies are driving COVID-19 responses — all of which, so far, have endangered rather than optimized public health — and mainstream media have been willing accomplices in spreading their propaganda, a false official narrative that leads the public astray and fosters fear based on lies.

    Vanguard and BlackRock are the top two owners of four of the six media companies that control more than 90% of the U.S. media landscape

    Vanguard and Black Rock own not only the vaccines but also, by their control of the press, engineer the medical, scientific, and political response to the coronavirus. They own the press, both CNN and Fox News. They also own The New York Times, The New York Post, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post.

    BigPharma criminal enterprise:

    The Elites are trying to pull up the ladder, erase upward mobility for large segments of the population, cull political opponents and other ‘undesirables,’ and put the remainder of humanity on a tight leash, rationing our access to certain goods and services that they have deemed ‘high-impact,’ such as automobile use, tourism, meat consumption, and so on.

    Naturally, they will continue to have their own luxuries, as part of a strict caste system akin to feudalism. Why are they doing this? Simple. The Elites are Neo-Malthusians and believe that we are overpopulated and that resource depletion will collapse civilization in a matter of a few short decades.

    It is truly amazing that some brilliant hackers still did not divulge the names of the BlackRock & Vanguard’s owners, these “neo feudalists who have socially engineered millions of Americans into a frenzied mob of idiots”

  158. @annamaria


    You are the best commenter on Unz Review

    War for Blair Mountain

    • Replies: @annamaria
  159. @Biff

    Very significantly is the quality of Russia’s ground troops. These are dedicated professionals who hold very respectable status in society. The training regimen is difficult (America 70 years ago), even brutal and they are always at the top priority of funding and materiel needs. Their Speztnaz are probably the most rugged of any special forces of the world. Their training meets or exceeds Navy Seals. Plus they and the regular troops are never the object of humiliating Jewish Social Justice, Diversity, et al. insults and depredations. One Russian-or Chinese-soldier is probably worth 3 American/European casual, politically correct tourist soldiers, LGBLT, with mayo.

    Needless to say, their military leadership are owls compared to our military tit mice. And, finally, Russia will have the logistical and intelligence gathering support of China. Expect our satellites to go off line, which is checkmate with a lot of pieces still on the board.

    This is an incomplete listing.

  160. Avery says:

    Another retrograde savage Turk nomad from East and Central Asia (Uyguristan) squatting on Christian lands foaming at the mouth with rage, while blubbering incoherently.

    You savage Turk nomads wouldn’t know about IQ or what it is: all you nomad savages know is to murder, steal, destroy, loot, commit arson, and….commit Genocide. Savages.

  161. annamaria says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

    We all need some reassuring words in the face of the ongoing global adversity.

  162. annamaria says:

    “West has no right to compensation for sanctions – Russia”

    The zionized EU had another psychopathic hiccup:

    The EU earlier filed a request to the World Trade Organization (WTO) asking it to appoint a panel of arbitrators to examine the Russian policy, which had been adopted as a response to unilateral sanctions against the country over the Ukraine conflict in 2014. The EU said that in 2019 “the value of published tenders by Russian state-owned enterprises amounted to 23.5 trillion roubles, or approximately EUR 290 billion, which was equivalent to around 20% of Russia’s GDP.”

    Russians responded:

    The EU has neither moral nor legal right to seek damages from Russia. As, within the framework of the sanctions policy, they decided not to supply us with goods, we have all the rights to produce them by ourselves.

    Logically, Russians have contra-demands:

    … before claiming damages from Moscow, the West should pay Russia “about a trillion dollars for the losses we have suffered because of the sanctions.”

    Time for European producers to turn their attention to those “leaders” who sanctioned the Russian Federation in response to the US-run coup d’etat in Ukraine. The 14.000 victims of the coup are the result of the US genocidal policies against Russians. The US State Department has been cooperating with self-proclaimed neo-nazis in Ukraine, whereas the prominent member of the zionist community in the US took the most active part in the 2014 coup d’etat.

    The holobiz museums need a lot of revisions.

    • Agree: GMC
    • Thanks: Alfred
  163. Levtraro says:

    Of course you are right that the Ukraine of today is in a more advanced state of decomposition that Russia was when Putin came to power. Still, my analogy may enlighten some readers as to the nature of the situation in that part of Europe.

  164. @annamaria


    Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!!!!!!……Looking for Humpback Whales breaching today…..looking for signs of life…..very seriously today-about doing this…

    War for Blair Mountain

  165. Nat X says:

    But the “baboons” ready to throw down while you incel yt’s just popping cap-locks online. Such a cowardly people…

  166. Doc says:

    The one thing about a Russia/America conflict that provides hope is any nuclear strikeon our cities would greatly help our demographic issues.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  167. The Saker site is one I have mixed feelings about – so though I maintain the link, I also keep in mind that you have to watch them.

    Nato in Russia’s crosshairs?

    Until reading that link I hadn’t heard a single thing about the veiled warning in Iran’s “Target Map”.

    Just hope we don’t end up needing our Covid stockpiles for another sort of disaster.

  168. @annamaria

    VVP is a Russian president, because he was doing jobs for Beresovsky during 1990s. That’s the sad truth of it.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @annamaria
    , @Mikhail
  169. joe2.5 says:

    Russia has not used the term “ultimatum”. It will do so when announcing the “or else”. These guys are very precise when they speak.

  170. Erebus says:
    @Felix Keverich

    That’s the sad truth of it.

    How was it “sad”? If your assertion is true, it was the perfect Judo move. Who won, and who lost (everything)?

    Russia is in a position to issue ultimatums because Putin (et al) engaged the oligarchs and beat them at their own game. Where are they now? The few that worked the calculus of power correctly enjoy high positions. The luckiest of those that didn’t, languish in irrelevance.

    Had Trump had Putin’s patriotism, his understanding of how power works and his adroitness in political maneuver, the US and the world would be in a very different place today.

  171. @Johan

    This retard thinks what we have now is a democracy and not the exact shit plutocracy/oligarchy he wants.

  172. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    12,000 Airborne and Spetsnaz troops in Kiev arresting the Nudelman Jews and kosher bagmen out to do it.

    • Agree: GMC
  173. Bert33 says:

    I think Russia could probably shut the lights off in europe for a couple years and roll up NATO ground forces, because they think and train different and have a different ideology. Don’t mess with or underestimate russia. These are the people that brought us Sputnik. These are also the people that could probably do a permanent number on all satellite communications worldwide. They don’t give ‘woke’ degrees at the old polytechnik. And push came to shove, russia don’t care.

    • Agree: Tony massey
  174. @Automatic Slim

    Any port in a storm. Any pussy in a submarine.

  175. @MLK

    I believe that this ultimatum is the living proof of the Otto von Bismark’s wisdom:

    Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia’s weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come – do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play.

    • Thanks: annamaria, emersonreturn
  176. annamaria says:

    It would be much more desirable if the targets were major nods of the Rotshchilds’ (Vanguard & BlackRock’s) empire.
    Common people have common wisdom for establishing the working rules for co-existence and cooperation.
    The dysfunctional cities like Chicago and LA reflect on the lawless manipulations by the “haves.” What sane person would appoint Lightfoot or Newsom to a position of responsibility? One is the fruit of “divide and rule by diversity and affirmative action” and another is connected to the ever-profiteering and Israel-beholden Pelosi.

  177. annamaria says:
    @Felix Keverich

    What is “sad” about the current position of the Russian Federation as compared to the 90-s? Perhaps it will help if you make some mental comparisons of VVP with Macron and Bidet. One of the three has been busy cleaning Augean stables and improving the lives of millions of people in his native country and protecting the motherland heritage.

  178. erzberger says:
    @Ned kelly

    “A major catastrophe in Europe, for what? The most insane foreign policy ever conceived of?”

    no more insane than US (and British) foreign policy during WW 2. Support Hitler’s rise against the Communist threat, then Stalin against Hitler, then the remains of Germany against the USSR/Russia. The height of US power and comfort was 1945, when every competitor was ruined, and life was really good in the US. That rise of the Middle class so badly needed again had been achieved for a decade or two, maybe a bit more. Worth to sacrifice a few US military bases and personnel in Europe for the same goal of a bright American future, no?

    Putin is a patriot and still not over the German siege of his native city. The perfect target for US scheming against the engine of the EU economy, Germany. Two birds (competitors: economic competitor EU and military rival ). Russia)with one shot. Creative destruction

  179. @showmethereal

    Watch the video.

    It would appear that France is increasing its commitment to nuclear.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  180. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I do understand that this green psyche is beyond me – I am German, once I loved my country and considered myself quite patriotic, but now every step out of my house, the very thought makes me sick; 90 percent of the population are so ideologized or simpleminded or a combination of both, unbelievable and unexplainable.

    I have been 24 times to Russia and to a lot of east European countries – everywhere I do feel more at home now; people think straight, have better manners and behave more naturally.

    • Replies: @BellezaEterna
  181. @BellezaEterna


    Pardon : “beyond YOU” of course

  182. @chris

    After fighting Russia and winning, Finland was very neutral during the entire Cold War.

    I thought that Finland lost quite a chunk of territory in the First Winter War, and was certainly defeated in the Second.

  183. @Anonymous12890

    The Russians need to build their infrastructure in cities outside Moscow and St Petersburg to replace the older Soviet buildings.

    Very true. I always recommend people to jump on Google Street View, or better on the similar Yandex feature, and virtually walk the streets of provincial Russian towns. Voronezh or Saratov, and they look like the Third World.
    That said, Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Kazan are glorious.

    That’s why Putin does not want Ukraine, as he has a lot of problems uplifting the Russian regions.

    • Replies: @Patrick Armstrong
  184. annamaria says:

    Who does exactly wage the war against Russia?- Money managers.

    “This company owns the world (and it’s our fault) – BlackRock:”

  185. annamaria says:

    90% of MSM is owned by Vanguard, Blackrock, and State Street:

    “BlackRock and Vanguard: The Same Shady People Own Big Pharma and the Media:” “Every Media Chain Using the Same Narrative:”

    BlackRock and Vanguard form a secret monopoly that own just about everything else you can think of too. In all, they have ownership in 1,600 American firms, which in 2015 had combined revenues of \$9.1 trillion. …

    What does The New York Times and a majority of other legacy media have in common with Big Pharma? Answer: They’re largely owned by BlackRock and the Vanguard Group, the two largest asset management firms in the world. Moreover, it turns out these two companies form a secret monopoly that own just about everything else you can think of too.

    In short, whether Russiagate, bloody regime-changes worldwide, or the thievery of other nations’ wealth by the US and the UK (like in Libya and Venezuela), the MSM has been brainwashing the populace with messages designed and enforced by money managers at Vanguard, Blackrock, and State Street. These three groups own western MSM:

    The consistency of news reporting across mainstream media should now make sense since each of them have similar major investors … How can you believe what’s being told in the news when every news channel is saying the same thing?

    A cherry on the top:

    BlackRock’s Institutional FedFund money market admits that its yield is being subsidized.

  186. annamaria says:

    here is an informed suggestion about the main warmongers and warprofiteers of today:

    … the eight largest U.S. financial companies (JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, U.S. Bancorp, Bank of New York Mellon and Morgan Stanley) are 100% controlled by ten shareholders and we have four companies always present in all decisions: BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity.

    In addition, the Federal Reserve is comprised of 12 banks, represented by a board of seven people, which comprises representatives of the “big four,” which in turn are present in all other entities. In short, the Federal Reserve is controlled by four large private companies: BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity. These companies control U.S. monetary policy (and world) without any control or “democratic” choice. These companies launched and participated in the current worldwide economic crisis and managed to become even more enriched.


    “BlackRock and Vanguard: The Two-Headed Thing that Ate America”

  187. @another fred

    Biden has essentially stated that we will not go to war over the Donbass


    Yes, of course.

    Because US foreign policy towards Putin, the most hated man in the world diaspora of international Jewry, is made by the narcoleptic and senile cretin wearing incontinence pants in the White House, and NOT by the secret committees of the hundreds of dual-nationality Zio-lunatics, and their thick-as-pigshit Chiefs-of-Staff and Generals in the Pentagon who do as they’re told by their Levantine overlords and can barely locate Ukraine by themselves on a map.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @JamesinNM
  188. Data says:

    As an ethnic Ukrainian, 3 things come to mind. The first is F Putin. The second is F Russia. And the third is Ukraine is ready, willing, and able to defend itself.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  189. JamesinNM says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Russia could roll through Ukraine in one day like poop through a goose.

    • Replies: @another fred
  190. JamesinNM says:
    @Dave Bowman

    U.S.’s Soros color revolution in Ukraine will have some serious consequences. A nuclear exchange with Russia would kill 100,000,000 Americans.

  191. @Data

    As an ethnic Ukrainian, 3 things come to mind. The first is F Putin. The second is F Russia. And the third is Ukraine is ready, willing, and able to defend itself.

    Where do you think they will draw the line?

    I completely understand that Ukrainians will not accept the Russian boot, and I think Putin understands that as well, but I do think he is willing to pay a high price for a corridor to Sevastopol.

    Can they deny him that? The price in blood will be high.

    I am not talking about a moral stance, but realpolitik.

    • Replies: @Begemot
  192. @RoatanBill

    Interesting…. Though I cannot understand why costs jumped so much… How could the cost of the project double and quadruple??? And that is my question about viability… If France reduces it’s overall nuclear mix (which I read – down to 50% by 2035) – which is the biggest user in Europe – how can they possibly have a supply chain that has costs anywhere near workable? If they indeed can build those smaller reactors for a decent cost – I would be pleasantly surprised…. But based on the politics and inefficiencies leave me not so confident. As the video noted the EU commission will have a lot to say. The list of countries backing new nuclear energy are the smaller countries…. While – except for France itself – the larger ones are moving away from it.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  193. @JamesinNM

    Russia could roll through Ukraine in one day like poop through a goose.

    And then what?

    It is one thing to take, another to hold. Could Putin get away with doing to Kiev what he did to Grozny?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  194. Zane Grey says:

    Given the way in which the West is degrading its military with sexual degeneracy and other forms of moral weakness, it probably knows that it is either now or never for it to attempt to expand NATO eastward. Putin and company are probably quite aware of this fact, and I suspect that Russia may also have some recent intelligence confirming that NATO will soon make its move. This could be the reason Russia is being more loud and overt than ever before about their demands that NATO not expand. … I also believe Russia is quite serious about its demands; and, should the West move forward with any clandestine plan aimed at Russia, I think that a serious military conflict will surely ensue.

  195. @showmethereal

    I predict that the EU will change direction concerning Green energy in the next year or two. They will scale back on Green and embrace the only possible thing that works towards green goals AND offers the base load capability the entire world needs – nuclear.

    Cost is just contractors low balling their bid and then coming back for more once they’ve got the contract. It’s a game they all know how to play. One doesn’t offer \$600 toilet seats on a bid. None of them are that stupid.

    SMR’s are the tech to watch. The old plants that take 10 or more years to construct aren’t a reasonable option any longer.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  196. Begemot says:
    @another fred

    Putin “… is willing to pay a high price for a corridor to Sevastopol.”


    The bridges over the Kerch Strait are the corridor. There is no need for an overland route to the Perekop just as there is no need for a land bridge to Hawaii.

    • Replies: @another fred
  197. @Begemot

    Perhaps so, but if I were going to defend a location in the event of hostilities, I would feel quite vulnerable depending on bridges, especially bridges that long, as my line of supply.

    • Replies: @Begemot
  198. Begemot says:
    @another fred

    If you control the sky and the surrounding sea then you don’t have too much to worry about. The Kerch Strait is about 2 miles at its narrowest point. You don’t think the Russians couldn’t keep that open against the Ukrainians? As long as the new bridges stand the Russians can get ships, planes, trains and trucks into Crimea. The idea that Russia needs a land bridge to Crimea is nonsense.

    • Replies: @another fred
  199. @Begemot

    It’s all hypothetical, but my assumption is that Mr. Putin is concerned about NATO. His actions and words certainly say so.

    I would wager that if we could see NATO war plans the destruction of those two center spans would be a fairly high priority after air defense and offensive facilities. With those collapsed the Russians lose the road and the channel.

    Everybody sane hopes that never happens, but sane men plan.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  200. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:

    The bulk of comments, and the article itself, are missing something fundamental:

    * The withdrawal from Afghanistan marks the end of US influence in Asia, and that includes Western Europe.
    * The US has irrevocably abandoned NATO, and replaced it with AUKUS ( The AUKUS alliance is to be the foundation of an Oceanic strategy, like that of the former British Empire. It will eventually include Japan.
    Given an Oceanic strategy by AUKUS, Asia will divide by civilizational states: into Eurasia and Eastasia, as depicted in _1984_. Eurasia will consist of Asia west of the Urals, and Eastasia will consist of China and associated states. Eurasia and Eastasia will contend for Siberian and central Asia resources.
    Tere are already several influence groups other than China and Germany/Russia in Asia. They are usually formed around ethnic or linguistic groups. Not one of them has significant industrial capacity, hence do not have significant expeditionary capability. This lack restricted to a defensive role, or possibly to sponsoring insurgencies in co-ethnic or co-linguistic areas.
    The first step in formation of Eurasia will be an alliance between Germany and Russia. Each needs the other. The Ukraine dispute is just the first step in setting up this alliance. Look for German repudiation of war over Ukraine and gradual distancing from the United States. Right now, the US is saving face, making statements it has no intention of seriously backing up. A German repudiation would leave the US with two alternatives:
    1. Withdraw from Eurasia under cover of various official statements, and use the money to build a military basis for Oceania.
    2. Fight a nuclear armed Russia in territory adjacent to Russia itself.

    In a move that has surprised me, what appear to be professional US diplomats have already chosen alternative 1 by forming AUKUS.

    I hadn’t thought that the US had professional diplomats. Apparently, the CIS was wrong when it said that the US was “not agreement capable”, and apparently US deep strategy is still being run by professionals. Granted that this is because the political types apparently still do not understand what Biden’s rout from Afghanistan really meant.

    • Thanks: simple mind
  201. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Felix Keverich

    VVP is a Russian president, because he was doing jobs for Beresovsky during 1990s. That’s the sad truth of it.

    He evolved from that into something better.

  202. Milton says:

    Saint Jacinta, Fatima seer: “War is punishment for sin.”

    Our Lady of Akita, 1970’s apparition: “Fire will fall from heaven…nations will be annihilated.”

  203. In an article written by Lieutenant Colonel Jochen Scholz (retired) titled Who is the aggressor? Opens the discussion with a review of current historical events, first and foremost being the termination of the ABM treaty in 2001 while simultaneously deploying the AEGIS missile defense in the EU and onto military vessels in the European theater. Scholz references a study, published by the Foreign Affairs Journal, written by two political scientists Liber and Press. They provided a deeper insight into actual threats posed by the US CENTCOM Coalition Nations. Excerpts state; Russia has approximately 3,500 strategic nuclear weapons but if our military decided on a first strike, and before the Russians were alerted, Russian response could only muster about six survivable warheads coupled with several decoys. It would be easy to just intercept all the incoming retaliatory missiles from Russia.

    The US long term (and ongoing) plan now seems clear enough. Neutralize the second strike capability from the Russian side by hosting missile defense systems as near to Russian territory as possible. Lieber and Press gave this strategic analysis during a lecture in Potsdam, at the Einstein Forum.Of course, none of the Western Occident main stream media or US journalists were present during this illuminating discussion nor did they bother to summarize it’simportance for the rest of us. This is what happens when eighty eight media outlets are reassembled and squeezed into six large media corporations (who run all our news, radio, TV, cable, satellite, ). All six outlets are now owned by General Electric, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner, Fox Network (Fox-news) in other words, by Murdoch and the Rothschilds.

  204. @RoatanBill

    Israel and Russia are friendly and even close to allied. You sound completely confused full of “shouldshouldshouldshould”. WTF would you care either way?

    There is no such thing as “US bases” that has anything to do with “population”. These are international military installations that exist in a higher dimension that your pettiness.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @annamaria
  205. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Adding in walk more, bicycle more, consume less, live closer, let the animals do the work, end the industry of agriculture and concentrated feed lots… no more traffic jams, driving a piece of paper from one place to another, packaging, advertising, waste and obesity… energy use can easily be a fraction of today. Simple living

  206. @RoatanBill

    Most energy is simply wasted in production, transmission & consumption. There is probably an infinite capacity to reduce and conserve, always getting more out of less.

    Didn’t N. Tesla harness the static electricity that is everywhere? The Sun is the greatest source of renewable energy.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  207. @simple mind

    I care because Israel is out of control and has been so since it was instantiated. It’s an apartheid state that has an open air prison known as Gaza. It routinely bombs other countries, as it just did to Latakia, Syria. It is likely to start a real shooting war that will get out of control unless it’s stopped from escalating tensions in the region.

    Foreign US bases need to be shut down as they are the source of the bulk of the friction in the world. You can shove the pettiness comment up your ass.

    • Replies: @simple mind
  208. @simple mind

    Energy is used during consumption. That’s the whole reason for generating it, to use it for whatever purpose the world needs. Production and transmission do waste a portion as losses, but that’s to be expected and the percentages aren’t that extreme.

    Your reduce and conserve comment only goes so far. As more people are born, they will require more, not less energy, so consumption is going nowhere but up.

    I’m an electrical engineer. There’s no way to get enough power from the difference in atmospheric potential to be worth the effort. The voltage may be there, but the amperage isn’t. V*A=Power.

    Yes, the sun is the source of a tremendous amount of energy that hits the earths surface. So what? Solar and wind are about the only reasonable mechanisms to harness that energy but its intermittency means it can’t supply base load. If you’re thinking batteries, pumped hydro or other storage mechanisms can provide energy when solar and wind can’t, your wrong by orders of magnitude.

    • Replies: @simple mind
  209. Alfred says:

    “As an ethnic Ukrainian”

    Born in Canada?

    Until 3 months ago, I spent 2 years in Ukraine. I stayed in Kiev, Lvov, Odessa, Kharkov and Vinnytsia. None of the Ukrainians I met had bad feelings towards Russia. I suspect that just like in Crimea, the Russian army would be welcomed by most Ukrainians. However, the Russians do not want to be responsible for Ukraine. They want the country to remain functional because when it fails millions of impoverished refugees will flee to Russia. Millions will also flee to Western Europe – something its current politicians don’t seem to grasp.

    If you were a genuine nationalist, you should worry about Ukrainian farmland being sold to monoliths like Cargill starting soon. What will Ukrainians do without their farmlands?

  210. Alfred says:

    I predict that the EU will change direction concerning Green energy in the next year or two.

    You fail to understand what the Green Agenda, New World Order, Build Back Better and the Scamdemic are all about. The objective is a return to a new version of Feudalism. People will have little choice about where to live, eat or buy. Travel will be abolished except for the elites. Energy consumption will be dramatically reduced. There is nothing remotely democratic about the EU.

    One of the ardent fans of cell-based meat is billionaire Bill Gates – the same one who is going to reduce the global population and engage in vaccination, surveillance, and chipping.

    Big corporations plans to make you eat bugs, cell-based meat and human flesh

  211. Alfred says:
    @another fred

    I would wager that if we could see NATO war plans the destruction of those two center spans would be a fairly high priority after air defense and offensive facilities. With those collapsed the Russians lose the road and the channel.

    If I were you, I would worry less about the Kirch bridge. If that were to happen, the Golden Gate bridge would be gone as a demonstration. NATO is just another word for USA.

    The hypersonic missiles of Russia are unstoppable. The USA has nothing similar. No air defenses worthy of that name.

    I suggest you read some of Andrei Martyanov’s articles. I am sure some at the Pentagon do. 🙂

    Big, Big Difference (Martyanov)

    • Agree: annamaria
  212. @Alfred

    Once people realize that their lives and that of their families are in jeopardy due to policy decisions, there will be a dramatic change in mood among the populations of all nations.

    The jab has been accepted under the guise of a “vaccine” and that label has allowed it to pass into general acceptance by the dolts in the society, the bulk of humanity. Cold, hunger, lack of resources are something easily understood and there’s no spin capable of being produced that will convince people they aren’t cold or hungry.

    It’s when the SHTF that things will change. This winter will be a test case. If there’s a shortage of heating fuel or the price for it is unacceptable to most people, you will see riots by people otherwise complacent. It’s when someone does the equivalent of putting their hands around your neck that the survival instinct kicks in.

    • Agree: Alfred
  213. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Agree. That’s what brought the old USSR and the Warsaw Pact down.

    And it’s not just the EU. Here in the USA, in farming country, I can’t buy ammonium sulfate except in 5 pound bags, and ammonium nitrate is just not for sale. I haven’t tried to buy urea yet, having discovered some in storage, but I suspect that it is not for sale either, or at least not for sale except to farmers. For the non-farmers/gardeners, that means no nitrogen fertilizers, and therefore either no or very low crops from commercial farming.

    And here’s a longer discussion of the problem:

    So RoatanBill hit the nail on the head. When he says “shortage of resources”, he’s not kidding.

  214. @Anonymous

    Two days ago, I made an entry in the Newslinks section for how policy is purposely destroying supply chains. It’s a video by “IceAgeFarmer” and his videos are full of useful information concerning food. I recommend everyone tune into his channel.

    I watched a video concerning Urea and discovered it’s a diesel fuel additive for emissions reduction purposes and some trucks won’t start without it. You can have a tank full of diesel and the electronics won’t let the engine turn over. Nice sneaky way of limiting transportation of necessities like food and fuel. There’s a world wide shortage.

    Add in the vax hoax, the stupid Green energy agenda, decommissioning “green” nuclear reactors, the farce of CO2 pollution and the entire global warming hysteria and the following quote comes to mind.

    Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day. But a series of oppressions, pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to slavery.
    Thomas Jefferson

    • Agree: Alfred
  215. @RoatanBill

    Yeah, there’s going to be chaos.

    But people will still be enslaved by the banking system, whether it’s paper or CBDC.

    Let’s say money printing causes the dollar to be devalued by a factor of 10 so that, effectively, most people have no money. Billionaires will still have plenty.

    What’s going to change for the elite? Instead of running everything behind the scenes, they will be elevated to transparent slave masters.

    Because, let’s not exaggerate, the entire world is completly dependent on the banking system.

    You might say, bitcoin will come into play. No it won’t. Bankers control it completely– just like everything else.

    So, other than hunger games, what’s going to happen?

  216. @Ralph B. Seymour

    Eventually, all the world’s major currencies, possibly all currencies, will go to zero value. Therefore, for the billionaires, 1,000,000,000 * 0 = 0. The stock market will crash to a fraction of what it is today. Lots of companies will disappear along with their value.

    Paper money will be worthless or nearly so. It’s the possession of physical goods that will retain value but the value won’t be expressed in conventional currency terms. It’s the invention of “currency” that is the primary problem because it has displaced “money” and not 1 person in 10,000 is smart enough to understand the difference.

    For thousands of years, the precious metals have been used for real money. I see no alternative to PM’s to once again become the basis for a restart once currencies fail at least where they are available. Russia and China are hoarding gold and have been doing so for many years. That tells me they are preppers. They will tie their bullshit currencies to gold at some point to try to keep their currencies afloat. It will hold off the inevitable for them for a while. I doubt the US has the gold it claims, so that is going to be an issue. Other countries with little to no PM’s will use whatever commodities they have to trade for what they need internationally. The whole world will barter for a while at the nation level. Inside any country, barter will arise organically.

    I believe the banking system as represented today won’t survive. Gov’ts will consume the banks and there will only be one bank per country, the gov’t bank, where everyone will have an account. Some believe the bankers will rule the world as they have for quite some time. I think their reign is over and totalitarianism will rule the world. The banks partnership with the thugs in gov’t is no longer needed, so the bankers will be dispensed with.

    War is almost a given. The weapons systems will be used to steal or destroy what can’t be purchased.

    • Replies: @CosmicMythos
  217. @Ralph B. Seymour

    Government overpowers the bankers. The inverse of today’s reality.

    And then totalitarianism.

    And governments deploys their own currency.

    I guess they will use existing infrastructure.

    What happens to the bankers? Are they out on the street with the rest of us?

    Or do they get to keep their il gotten gains so they remain insulated?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  218. @RoatanBill

    It’s when the SHTF that things will change.

    IMO the level of SHTF required today to really change something must be way higher than we may imagine. After all, we’ve had plenty of similar SHTF situations in the past, people suffered extremely with them, and at the end probably made the same promise: “Never again!”
    Did that change something really ?…

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  219. @DevilAdvocate

    I agree that the level of discomfort has to rise significantly to cause people to step outside their comfort zone and actually start to think for themselves as opposed to being the sheep ready to be sheared that most are today. The average person thinks that laws are to be obeyed, for example, never actually thinking about them. They thank the murderers for their service and back the blue that are right now corralling them and demanding their papers with concentration camps already active in Australia. People think that voting is a duty because they’ve been conditioned to believe that nonsense. They have no doubt that gov’t is a net good for a society even though gov’ts murdered over 200,000,000 people in the 20th century. There are numerous beliefs that will be shattered when cold stark reality imposes itself on a really woke individual.

    My reference to hands around the neck is the level it has to get to before the average person will react from pure animal instinct. When their stomachs growl, when their family member dies do to lack of heating fuel, when the state keeps imposing mandates that are eventually revealed to be detrimental to the society is when the average person will wake up. There are many in Australia and Europe, I’d bet, that wish they owned weapons.

    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats.
    H. L. Mencken

    • Replies: @Realist
  220. @Ralph B. Seymour

    When push comes to shove, there is no honor among thieves.

    The bankers and other useless eaters will disappear one way or another. An Elon Musk has a talent to produce actual things of value and will be fine. The entire management structure at Goldman Sachs has no value at all and will end up penniless if not dead.

    There will be show trials at some point because the system will need someone to blame. The financiers are a prime target because no average person will object to their lynching. The political class will eat the financiers and bankers. RussiaGate was a trial run. Wait till FinanceGate arrives to explain to the dolts how their pensions and savings went up in smoke.

  221. @Alfred

    Poor Alfie-he don’t like fruit, beans and vegies. Man gotta have neat! What’s it all about?

  222. @simple mind

    People in 1900, in the rich countries, lived well, on a fraction of the consumption of today. And first thing we do, we imprison all the advertising vermin, and close that cancer down.

  223. Quaker says:

    Russia. The US. Canada. China.

    ALL of these countries have banks controlled by the World Bank. How stupid can people be to fall for this ‘us -vs- them’ bull for SO MANY DECADES?

    All anyone has to do is 5 minutes of research and implement a smidgen of critical thinking to come to the absolute conclusion that ALL COUNTRIES CONTROLLED BY THE GLOBAL BANKS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE SAME PEOPLE

  224. @another fred

    Most of the population would welcome Russia as liberators from the fascist scum from the emigre’ infestations, from Jewish control of the economy and politics, and from the USA wishing to use Ukraine as a sacrificial offering in a war on Russia. The Galician fascists could be corralled, like Idlib, and they would soon set to killing one another, or fleeing back to Canada and Australia, that so deserve them.

  225. There are numerous beliefs that will be shattered when cold stark reality imposes itself on a really woke individual.

    Will they really?…
    Look, if you are talking about the striking need for immediate and firm reaction I have no point but to agree with you. Sooner or later (we expect sooner), it will happen. And the culprits will be judged and punished (or just simply be lynched).

    But the question was: will that REALLY CHANGE anything ?
    (I refer here to a similar discussion I am having now with Utrafart the Brave, at Matt Whitney thread).

    So, my point is, how can we guarantee that those who will remain, after the rightful purge, will not ever be tempted to take the place of the former oppressors and usurpers ? By creating laws and institutions ? Been there done that, it never changed anything. By reforming the systems ? The smartmen always find a way to circunvent and cheat the system. By threatening with extreme punitions ? Look at all the punitions they until recent times, from diverse tortures to crucifixion, disembowlment, etc. Did they eliminate even the small criminality ?
    The never going back to pre-corona world must be radically different, if we ever hope to see a real change. IMO it must start at a very personal level. But that is exactly the most difficult thing to do and the one which nobody is really interested. In fact, at its essence it’s quite simple, so simple that it is un-believable.

  226. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    or more likely the subhuman kikes will start WW3 and have the retarded amerifaggot goyim looking at outside scapegoats instead….

  227. @RoatanBill

    The criminals have got away with everything so far.

    So, it does seem that it will take a near death situation before at least some people catch on to the game.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  228. @Ralph B. Seymour

    The major criminals, the political class, will continue to get away with their crimes because the population is never going to look upon them for what they really are; the citizenry is just too stupid.

    I expect martial law at some point and then the threat from within the police and military itself will cause problems for the controllers. At some point some cops and some military members will wake up to what they’ve done and switch sides. We’ve already seen a small example of this when European police sided with the protesters.

  229. Realist says:

    The bankers and other useless eaters will disappear one way or another.

    The entire management structure at Goldman Sachs has no value at all and will end up penniless if not dead.

    All those that have obtained great wealth from financial products or any other non-essential means should be eliminated.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  230. @RoatanBill

    Consumption is wasted when the result is pointless, unhealthy, or stupid. People are hobbling around literally wearing the excess consumption in obesity, indolence and sloth. Most consumption is “wasted” because it goes to pointless movement, excessive cooling and heating, and overeating junk.

    Most energy “consumption” will easily disappear when animals are allowed to roam free, people eat much less meat, and local gardens supply much of the food. All that grass that gets cut? Animal food.

    I find it hard to believe that the massive power of solar energy hitting the planet every day is insufficient to supply enough power. It’s just a question of how to harness it, much like production and transmission. How much energy is wasted by sending it over hundreds of miles instead of directly to the demand? How much energy consists of driving around in circles for no reason, delivering a flimsy cardboard box with a pair of socks in it, carrying a piece of paper somewhere…

    We could live just fine in teepees and migrate with the seasons.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  231. @RoatanBill

    IOW another Boomer obsessed with his own mind.

    None of what you wrote even approaches anything real, much less important. Israelis have been under attack since the beginning, so everything they do is right, just, fair and correct. Those are the rules established by others and they have learned to play them. It evades the question though, how did it become some of your business?

    Apartheid is GOOD. Why come people move INTO the open air prisons of this world? 80% of all Palestinan Arabs are recent migrants since the white man arrived in Outremer c. 1900. How DID such a small population grow SIX TIMES in such a short time?

    Gaza Strip, 1950: less than 300,000 people

    Gaza Strip, 2020: nearly 2 million people

    More dindus looking for a handout

    • Troll: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  232. @simple mind

    If you want to live like some primitive that’s perfectly fine by me. I, on the other hand, prefer a more civilized existence and mind my own business. You are preachy as though you know what’s best for everyone else.

    You find things hard to believe because you are ignorant of what’s involved. Leave these things to the engineers and scientists instead of the sandal wearers.

    • Replies: @simple mind
  233. @RoatanBill

    I can believe in Nikolai Tesla, who godfathered everything you pretend to know. I do know what’s best since I have to live it just as much, so my guess is that you are morbidly obese and dread the prospect of walking somewhere.

    What you call “civilised” is just weakness combined with misery.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  234. @Realist

    That would eliminate the entire population of the developed world, so you first

    • Troll: Realist
  235. @Sisifo

    Enough insulation makes the house a constant 50 F in most weather, what’s lacking is good insulation. Then it only takes a small amount of fuel to heat up the space which stays warm for a long time. The same is true for cooling as well… it’s not a “tech” solution at all, just natural building technique. Farther North there is more wood for burning and building, farther South more clay and stones for adobe and cob.

    Everything has a balance

  236. @simple mind

    Just in the short time that I’ve realized you exist, I’ve decided that you aren’t worth my time. You’re just another insulting Israeli ass kisser that’s going to deny what the entire world knows, so I won’t provide you with any replies. You can talk to yourself.

    • Replies: @simple mind
  237. @Ralph B. Seymour

    What do billionaires buy in that case? Somebody has to work and the need for labor always carries its own value. It’s more complicated than just “I have money, but you don’t”… money is only the means to the end. Massive inflation would benefit most people at this point: wipe out debts, destroy local governments, free up the land, wipe out competitors, and inflate everyone’s assets.

    Don’t sit there and hold dollars, spend it all while you can.

  238. @RoatanBill

    NO more “replies” but this just last one of course, to make very sure I know that THIS time is the very last reply for the last time. Now we are all free, no more replies, just this very last one to make sure everybody knows.

    OK Boomer! Thx for making sure I will no longer enjoy the blessings of your all replies, and make sure there are no more replies to be sure there are no more replies or replying about replies that might have been earlier replied, or replied.

    No Reply

  239. @Realist

    All those that have obtained great wealth from financial products or any other non-essential means should be eliminated.

    That does not change anything at all, as long the financial system is the same.
    Anyone with a fair amount of knowledge, self discipline, good training and a little of capital can go trade the stock exchange or the forex and get huge profits. After you eliminate those who got rich from that, what will prevent the next candidates go there and do the same thing ?

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  240. @simple mind

    Apartheid is GOOD. Why come people move INTO the open air prisons of this world? 80% of all Palestinan Arabs are recent migrants since the white man arrived in Outremer c. 1900. How DID such a small population grow SIX TIMES in such a short time?

    It’s not because apartheid, it’s their culture.
    I’ve known personally some israeli/palestinian arab families, and they are quite happy to have as much children as they can financially afford. Their highest joy is to be surrounded by lots of close family, with good food and better mood.

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  241. Realist says:

    Anyone with a fair amount of knowledge, self discipline, good training and a little of capital can go trade the stock exchange or the forex and get huge profits.

    It requires one to be extremely avaricious

    After you eliminate those who got rich from that, what will prevent the next candidates go there and do the same thing ?


    But, yes the financial system should be changed.

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  242. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    Beijing could do something in its part of the world to show its agreement and coordination with Moscow raising the threat of a two front conflict.

    If this were to happen then Iran would without any coordination launch a third front. The Iranians would pre-emptively attack US bases in the Middle East (Syria and Iraq) and ships in the Persian Gulf. If the US had to fight two high-intensity wars on different sides of the world there would be no reinforcements for the Middle East. Iran would likely win. Realistic military planners like the ones in Israel must dread this scenario. Unfortunately for Israel, its lobbying allies in the US are not realistic and the same people who strongly support Israel in Congress are the ones arguing for more tensions with both Russia and China. There’s a huge disconnect here in realistic strategy. Obviously, no one would sensibly want to take on three wars at once. I wonder why Israel doesn’t send out the message that Iran is the first priority and the US should back down at least for now with Russia and China?

  243. @Realist

    After you eliminate those who got rich from that, what will prevent the next candidates go there and do the same thing ?


    Fear of what ?? Are you going to institute a death penalty for all those who work on the financial system ?
    You better start to invent a no-money system which works effectively. You will be the greatest genius ever, since nobody was able to do that in the whole history…

    • Agree: simple mind
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    , @Realist
  244. Realist says:

    My comment #250 was meant for you.

    • LOL: DevilAdvocate
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  245. @Realist

    This forum is rich in intelligent and knowledgeable people, but is also full of clowns and trolls.

  246. @DevilAdvocate

    That may be true, but “Palestine” has grown far out of proportion to any other Arab population in the last 100 years, which is obviously due to in-migration. Anyone who signed up with UNRWA from 1950-1990 or so was deemed a “refugee”, for generations to come. Evidently and by all reports, much of the local population joined the mass of displaced people, intermingling and adding their numbers.

    The entire “3rd world” has quadrupled since 1950 or so, but not octupled.

  247. @DevilAdvocate

    A lot of people cannot distinguish between what they think is happening in their mind and physical reality. Nor do they have any idea how the historic wars were fought over the very issues of finance and taxation, or how it came to be thus today.

    It always sounds so “Monty Python”

  248. Realist says:

    Are you going to institute a death penalty for all those who work on the financial system ?

    No, just make many financial transactions illegal with stiff penalties.

    You better start to invent a no-money system which works effectively. You will be the greatest genius ever, since nobody was able to do that in the whole history…

    You are confusing the financial system with the monetary system.

    This forum is rich in intelligent and knowledgeable people, but is also full of clowns and trolls.

    You appear to be the latter.

  249. @simple mind

    The entire “3rd world” has quadrupled since 1950 or so, but not octupled.

    From 300,000 to almost 2,000,000 is at most 6.7X more, not 8X.
    But I don’t know well the situation in other arab countries. My impression, and from some comments from the israeli-palestinian friends, the common people in other arab countries are quite poorer than israeli arabs, so they are far from be able to raise numerous families.

  250. @Dingo bay rum

    USA stabbed Saddam in the back. Iraq was all about securing OIL —as is Syria – Libya – et al, All this talk about human righs and democracy and freedom is nonsense.

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  251. @Anonymous

    “Here in the USA, in farming country, I can’t buy ammonium sulfate except in 5 pound bags, and ammonium nitrate is just not for sale.”

    Nitrate sales at consumer level in the UK are pretty well non-existent (they can be ordered but orders are monitored) because it’s a bomb ingredient. IIRC a few years back some Muslim guys bought some and got nailed for it.

    But there are still plenty of 1-ton bags available, agriculture needs them.

  252. annamaria says:

    Well. The animosity had begun when Banderites decided to fight against Judeo-Bolsheviks, such as Lazar Kaganovich, Naftali Frenkel, Rozalia Zalkind, Trotsky (Bronstein), and similar mass murderers of Talmudic persuasion.
    Today’s Banderites have embraced Judeo-Bolsheviks as the guiding light in a fight against ethnic Russians.
    1. The data tells that the zionized State Dept. had allocated \$5 bln. for the subversive activities in Ukraine against the democratically elected president. The Banderites were bought.
    2. The data tells that the Banderites were used by zionists (modern-day Trotskyists) to wage attacks on the Russian Federation which is hated viscerally by zionists. Who is your prime minister? – Grossman. Who is your prez? – Ze. Who has financed your neo-nazi battalion Azov? – Kolomojsky, the pillar of the Jewish community of Ukraine.
    3. The data tells that the Canadian and Ukrainian Banderites are in fact Judas who sold their Christian soul to the Kagans’ clan. You were ‘educated’ by Carl Gershman (NED, AIPAC), and you were led to the trap by Nuland-Kagan (US State dept., AIPAC).
    Mazel Tov, ‘Data!’

    Proclamation by the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists – OUN(B) in 1941:

    Do not throw away your weapons now. Take them in your hands. Destroy the enemy …. People! Know! Moscow, Poland, the Hungarians, the Jews are your enemies. Destroy them!
    Know! Your leadership is the Leadership of Ukrainian Nationalists, is the OUN. Your Leader is Stepan Bandera. Your goal is an Independent United Ukrainian State. Your path is the path of the Ukrainian National Revolution, the path of armed struggle, the path of the OUN. Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes! Glory to the Leader!

    And who are your leaders today? – Grassman, Kolomojsky, Ze? – all puppeteered by the zionized US State Dept. See Nuland-Kagan.
    Ukrainian youth has been sacrificed as cannon fodder for the glory of the Zinized USA (ZUSA).

  253. annamaria says:

    “eighty eight media outlets are reassembled and squeezed into six large media corporations (who run all our news, radio, TV, cable, satellite, ). All six outlets are now owned by General Electric, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner, Fox Network (Fox-news) in other words, by Murdoch and the Rothschilds.”

    — First, the western MSM is terminally ill by presstituting.
    Second, the Rothschilds have been popping up in all the dirtiest and nefarious schemas on a global scale; the most recent example is the Epstein affair. One of the main financiers of the Russian Bolshevik Revolution, the self-aggrandizing imbecile Jakob Shiff was a fledging of Rothschilds. Highly improbable that the Russian Federation did not take notice of these giants of the western financial empire. The only salvation is the highly precise targeting of the real owners of supra-national corporations. They must be in the crosshair, constantly.

  254. annamaria says:
    @simple mind

    “military installations that exist in a higher dimension that your pettiness.”
    — Don’t be so mysterious. This dimension is defined by a greenback.

    The Honorable Smedley Buttler:

    War is a Racket. … In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War….How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle?….The general public shoulders the bill. And what is this bill? …Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds…For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.

    Once upon a time, there were real men in the US. Today, the thoroughly corrupt MIC is populated by castrati brass – the ‘pampered princes. ‘

  255. @RoatanBill

    The banks partnership with the thugs in gov’t is no longer needed, so the bankers will be dispensed with.

    Correct. Absolutely agree. And thousands of years human history backs you up.

    Financiers, the media, any sort of mercantile or business entity, religious institutions – these find ways to become indispensable to the ruling governments of their day.

    Traders, caravan masters, masons guilds, churches, temples, universities have historically cultivated favor with god-emperors, pharaohs, kings-of-kings, grand dukes – or in later eras assemblies, presidents, chairmen, dictators, congressmen, judges, and so on, through all of recorded history.

    But, final ultimate power always rests with the command of coercive violence. Basically, armed forces. Rulers command those armed forces.

    And if ordinary people want to be free of coercive power, and that power simply will not yield, then the people will have to form themselves into a coercive force as well, a revolutionary, possibly guerilla, army.

    It’s not pretty, I am not advocating it, but an honest examination of history leads to this inevitable conclusion.

    So, when the agendas and desires of banks, media, or religions do not serve the government, governments just . . . get rid of whoever’s in their way. Money-power, media-power and religious-power is subordinate to killing-power.

    In the final no-bullshit analysis.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  256. @showmethereal

    China currently has more than a dozen nuclear plants under construction and plans to triple that by 2050.

    A little bit off in terms of numbers.

    China is going to build 150 nuclear power plants by 2035.

  257. PJ London says:

    So expand your arguments a little more.
    Is Russia scared that USA-NATO is going to attack? No, they know that a full out nuclear war would be immediately launched and 50% of US and EU cities become radioactive dust.
    Does Russia believe that any document”Signed” by USA even if ratified by the Senate is worth an equal weight in toilet paper? No, the whole concept of an USA ‘Treaty’ is a joke.
    Is Russia scared of sanctions? No, financial sanctions have been imposed, primarily against people who have no interest in US-EU finances. Further sanctions (as has been proved in every instance), improve the capability and industry of the country being sanctioned. They cause huge resentment and create increased Nationalism in the victim but are hardly important to the people of the sanctioning country. Russia, China, Iran have all populations that are staunchly nationalistic and are willing to suffer the consequences of sanctions.
    Is Russia scared of CIA “colour” revolutions or agitation?
    No Russia has the regions under control and they are all returning from the post 1990 chaos and poverty to some kind of stability and increased economic wellbeing. China Belt and Road initiative is far more alluring than any thing the west can offer. Muslims are well integrated in to Russian society and there is none of the animosity that exists elsewhere. If the Wahabbi or Taliban were to create any problems, the lessons of Chechnya will keep them from gaining any popular support.
    Does Russia want territory, Ukraine or the Baltic? No as Long as they have Sebastopol, the Black Sea is open, and the Baltics are of no importance to anyone.

    The only reason that I can conceive of, is that placing medium range weapons (God forbid Nuclear weapons) in the hands of the crazies in Ukraine, who have nothing left to lose, scares the pants off of Putin’s Generals. Some General Strangelove idiot could hit Moscow in 5 minutes if they had control.
    The MH17 debacle and the obvious and persistent lies of the west, to cover up the crime would make Russia paranoid. Poland and Hungary are a danger, but at this time they are rational in their leadership. Germany has memory of attacking Russia and it did not go well.
    If Russia had such a Treaty with US – NATO, it would create a ‘time’ barrier, hopefully months of notice and negotiation in which Russia could prepare to wipe out the Ukraine regime and install friendlies in a Ukrainian parliament. This is expensive for Russia and they rather would leave Ukraine to the US and EU to sort out, but they have to have some protection from the Ukrazies.

  258. Here come winter rains.
    “The children have gone insane.”
    Only dreams remain.

    New Years greetings from Tsar! 😉

  259. @CosmicMythos

    China is also by far the greatest deployer of wind and solar energy, of hydro-electricity, of high voltage transmission, even of super-conducting transmission. And working hard on thorium reactors and fusion. China has all possible methods of energy production under development. But it knows that fossil fuels are finished, there being no cretins in Government there.

  260. @simple mind

    Yes, we know that you Zionazis would like to exterminate the Palestinians, a Final Solution that would be the culmination of the transference, back and forth, between the German Nazis and the Jewish ones, like you. An Old Testament/Torah Solution, like those dished out to the Midianites, Jebusites, Moabites, and the ever present Amalekites. Evil is the most ‘simple’ entity that there is.

  261. @elmerfudzie

    “The US long term (and ongoing) plan now seems clear enough. Neutralize the second strike capability from the Russian side by hosting missile defense systems as near to Russian territory as possible.”

    That would appear correct – which is why Russia has raced to develop hypersonic weapons that the US can’t intercept.

  262. @simple mind

    I often disagree with you but I agree with that comment…. Simple living is the best way to take care of the planet.

  263. @GomezAdddams

    Yup the US was very cozy with Saddam…. So much so that remember during the Iraq/Iran war the Iraqi pilot blew up a US Navy ship and Reagan had the audacity to blame Iran for it… Then within only a short number of years Saddam lost favor with the US. Similar in many ways to Manuel Noriega.

  264. @CosmicMythos

    Well see the problem with western media is that even when they are trying to report something “good” about China they are often way off… This writer was quoting Bloomberg News – which is known to get things wrong about China all the time (the writer also quoted the garbage about a “genocide in Xinjiang” from the NY Times). So when it comes to things like nuclear power – Chinese state media is actually the most accurate.

    The largest number stated is 150GW by 2030 – which the date I meant to right – not 2050. But my tripling was indeed based on what the Chinese government said is likely – versus just over 50GW today. In order for the Bloomberg report to have been true that would mean an average of 15 brand new reactors each year… Even for China that is not possible. Site selection alone would be far too difficult.

    Here are two government media reports about the uranium supply. First in 2017 (which ironically they quote an analyst from Bloomberg Intelligence versus News) and then a report from December 2021.

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  265. Anonymous[158] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia has approximately 3,500 strategic nuclear weapons but if our military decided on a first strike, and before the Russians were alerted, Russian response could only muster about six survivable warheads coupled with several decoys. It would be easy to just intercept all the incoming retaliatory missiles from Russia.

    Gee whiz, that game has the same reward matrix as was thought to pertain before WW I and WW II, only back then it was “first mobilization” or “first strike” that was thought to be a winner.

    The reward matrix proved to be highly unstable — first actor wins, so declaring war happened for trivial reasons for WW I, and in WW II, whether the Third Reich or the USSR declared war first turned out to be a coin flip — both were deployed for assault before Third Reich moved first. And, as everybody knows, in reality first actor lost, along with other players.

    So here we have yet another game so structured that the only way to win is not to play.

    On a slightly deeper level, the US State Department appears to have realized that retreat from Afghanistan (and earlier, Iraq) has destroyed any chance for the world of _The End of History_ and that the US has consequently lost the entire continent of Asia, including Europe. The timing of the AUKUS treaty suggests that the State Department realized this at least as far back as Pres. Trump’s decision to pull US forces out of Afghanistan, and is trying to establish the US as Oceania, the oceanic power in a world where power is divided between Asian countries (probably Eurasia and East Asia, with many regional neutrals) and a world maritime power.

    If that is the case, then the Ukraine operation is a last gasp of relic Cold War organizations and US politicians that haven’t realized that the Cold War was over before NATO forces invaded Iraq. Now that nuclear weapons use has been threatened by both sides, he Ukraine operation may be called in before something happens. Then, again, the tactical reward matrix is unstable, so the Ukraine operation might not be called in.

    Again, if nuclear weapons are not used then look for Germany to call for an end to fighting and then gradually ally itself with the CIS. Since Germany already runs Europe, the alliance with CIS will complete achievement of the strategic goals Germany set itself before WW II. Funny how things turn out.

    • Replies: @elmerfudzie
  266. @Anonymous

    to anonymous from elmerfudzie. In response to your comment about the CIS. The only person I’m aware of who seems to offer convincing arguments, and has a command of those issues that arose from Russia’s currency crisis is Marek Dabrowski, professor of Economics CASE Center Warsaw. If I understand him correctly, the EU’s eastern border countries must first contend with internal social and political upheaval that inevitably surface with ever weaker currencies, inflation and spiraling down of GDPs The CIS must address these issues first. To date, there appears to be no coherent economic policy agreements between them. Will they turn to the IMF? If so, back to square one and the old EU, Western Occident, USA fiat currency (gotcha-ya) control game. Or, you may decide to look at the big picture this way, the Ukraine/Donbass conflict will eventually be resolved once Russia reenters (I’m NOT suggesting permitted here) the globalized network of economies coupled with restored diplomatic exchanges. This situation is so old it’s new. Who will finance CIS domestic economic recovery projects? how can Russia do this when it too is in a quagmire, bogged down by the Federation’s nomenklatura and therefor, lacking essential institutional reforms. The conclusion here seems to be that, in the end, CIS nations will draw closer to the EU again, via the IMF. Emerging markets will bring to the table what China initially brought to the West, that is, lower finished product prices, increases in export revenues thus ending stagnation and lower GDPs among CIS participants. Looming over this crisis is the new China-Russia economic-perhaps even military alliance. Will the CIS turn towards China’s AIIB for support? if so, this is the real stuff of major conflict, Western banks v.s. the East (again) a mirror of the two great world wars eh? China has a financial hand in all of the major economies of the EU and can now dictate what the political and economic policy towards CIS and the SCO will be.

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  267. The “ultimatum” was voiced by Putin at the annual conference of his defence chiefs. Seen in the context of the whole speech it comes over as a lot less agressive than the Russophobic commenteriat have made it appear.

    At the cost of repeating myself from another thread, the present burst of hysterical Russophobia is a product of the Ukrainian propaganda machine. In 2015, Congress voted \$750m for arming Ukraine. Neither Obama nor Trump released it. The present war hysteria is a Ukrainian bid for that money. So far, Biden has resisted releasing it, even giving counter signals. Russia is the UK’s biggest gas supplier counting LNG shipments from Yamal, 29 in 2021 so the UK isn’t joining the Russophobe chorus to any serious degree. And then NS2 and the EU.

    Stopping NS2 and moving closer to NATO membership are secondary objectives for the Ukrainians. Both are doomed to fail.

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  268. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    No. It depends where you live.

    In Northern Europe, the sun doesn’t shine at this time of year. If there is no cloud there is mist during the few hours of available daylight. A high pressure weather system 1000 miles across is common. Effective wind can disappear for five weeks. How big would a battery be to supply the UK for 5 weeks, in fact more because a few weeks later another high pressure system might arrive before the battery has been recharged.

    The UK can reach for tidal energy. Of course, minimum tidal output needs to match maximum winter demand so we are discussing colossal schemes with many defects. The surplus can be dumped to, not very stoarable, hydrogen for transport use. The same applies to a nuclear system. Nuclear can follow demand to some extent, at a cost. The French already do so but dumping to hydrogen may be the main solution.

    Solar is great coupled with hydro. Zambia, Zimbabwe and Malawi could take their day time load via solar. This would relieve the water extraction from the Kariba dam which now runs low. Other countries in Africa have the same potential. Along the Rift valley at dusk and dawn there is a highly available and predictable wind flow moving in and out of the valley. Pity about the rest of day, especially night time.

    etc, etc.

    Wind and solar are not completely useles but largely niche. Ultimately to be hydrogen generators for the most part.

  269. Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia and Azerbaijan could all have been unaligned with an inclination, especially economic, to Russia. The romantic nationalists of the Russian Stavka (not Putin) have seized land in all these countries. The result has been to drive them towards NATO or seperately, Turkey. They are also leaving Russia’s economic orbit. Military aggression has been a foreign policy disaster for Russia. The same applies to Syria. Turkish control of Idlib means that the naval base in Tartus is visible from Turkish held territory. This renders the occupation of Sebastapol pointless as Turkey can close off the Balck Sea at any moment. No Mediterranean base, no effective Russian operations in the Med. Maybe a base in Atlantic Morocco will save them but the King of Morocco seems to be playing the Brits and Russians off against each other.

    The question becomes, “Why would Putin risk more military adventures with 5 backfire on the record?”. The answer depends on the political clout of the Stavka. Their budget has been hugely cut despite the weapons announcements, presumably to appease them. They have been excluded from the anticorruption drives elsewhere in Russian society. All this says that they have huge clout. However, the economy is not sparkling. The population is no longer pleased with the results of Putinism. Import substitution, especially in agriculture, especially in fresh vegetables has been less than succesful. (Yes, Russia can now supply chicken and pork to its population, demand has slumped so much). The business elite finds sanctions are not fun anymore. Getting goods as basic as coal and oil over the Chinese border is problematic because of bureaucracy, railway operations and simply routing. – Last month, 30 years after the end of the Soviet Union, a road bridge was finally opened to China, cutting the journey by 700 km.

    Another colonial war might please the Stavka. It won’t please anyone else.

    • LOL: Mikhail, Alfred
  270. annamaria says:
    @Philip Owen

    “Military aggression has been a foreign policy disaster for Russia”

    — Can you elaborate?

    1. Budget for Russia’s defense. What nation can reach the level of MIC corruption? None!

    2. Russian economy. The US industries and the US citizenry’s future have been sold by supranational corporations to China et al. The “owners” also own mainstream media outlets, which might explain your cognitive blindness towards the obvious economic woes of the western world as well as your rabid Russophobia.

    3. The ZUSA’s colonial wars (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine) have resulted in millions of innocents’ deaths. Russia has been acting consistently as a peacemaker.

    Your slanderous post betrays your Talmudic mindset. Overall your post reads as perfect production of the Atlantic Council, a propaganda arm of the zionized CIA.

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  271. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Philip Owen

    The question becomes, “Why would Putin risk more military adventures with 5 backfire on the record?”. The answer depends on the political clout of the Stavka. Their budget has been hugely cut despite the weapons announcements, presumably to appease them. They have been excluded from the anticorruption drives elsewhere in Russian society. All this says that they have huge clout. However, the economy is not sparkling. The population is no longer pleased with the results of Putinism. Import substitution, especially in agriculture, especially in fresh vegetables has been less than succesful. (Yes, Russia can now supply chicken and pork to its population, demand has slumped so much). The business elite finds sanctions are not fun anymore. Getting goods as basic as coal and oil over the Chinese border is problematic because of bureaucracy, railway operations and simply routing. – Last month, 30 years after the end of the Soviet Union, a road bridge was finally opened to China, cutting the journey by 700 km.

    Another colonial war might please the Stavka. It won’t please anyone else.

    Read and learn, with supporting hyperlinks to the below excerpted at the linked article:

    In his interaction with Batchelor, Mackinder erroneously perceives Russian President Valdimir Putin as someone looking to create a problem to take attention away from his (as viewed by Mackinder) failings. If anything, Zelensky and Biden have more reason than Putin to exaggerate certain things to divert attention away from other issues. In actuality, Putin remains (by world standards) a popular president in Russia, in stark contrast to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s low standing in Ukraine and US President Joe Biden’s approval rating.

    There’s the possibility of Kiev regime controlled Ukraine launching an Operation Storm like attack on the rebel Donbass area. This is something which Russia will understandably not tolerate. Such an action will likely cause a noticeable refugee exodus to Russia, with pro-Russian proponents critically calling for a follow-up counter. In this circumstance, Ukraine in NATO increases the likelihood of a greater conflict.

  272. Mikhail says: • Website

    He comes across as someone who might get some twisted pleasure in receiving replies. Not to be taken so seriously.

  273. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for the analysis.

    I’m in the US, trying to stay alive. Obviously it’s worked so far, but I’ve had some very close calls. Consequently, I pay more attention to the US (United States of America) than to the CIS (Russia), and hadn’t been aware of Prof. Dabrowski’s analysis, which I will tentatively accept as accurate.

    Prof. Dabrowski’s analysis suggests a line of reasoning:
    1) The CIS can solve none of the problems Prof. D has listed, not even in the CIS. The countries that do well in industry generally have some religious reason for doing so, their own version of the “Protestant Work Ethic”. The Ethic’s population believes (in some form) that they have a duty to work productively. Other populations believe that work is an imposition that should be dodged whenever possible. (See “With a Little Bit of Luck”, from the musical “My Fair Lady” to see a sympathetic portrayal of the emotional part of this rejection.) People who believe that can only be trusted with work that is so simple that quality control can ensure quality.

    2) The obvious solution, as Prof. D points out, is closer integration with the EU.

    3) The BRD (Germany) is the predominant influence in the EU (“runs the EU”). The German population contains elements still influenced by something like the Protestant Work Ethic. Further, the BRD needs raw materials, “resources”, that the CIS has.

    4) The US appears to be abandoning Europe and the rest of the Asian continent, and that means abandoning the EU and the BRD. Once free of US influence, I suspect that the BRD will abandon imposed doctrines such as bans on nuclear energy and ally with the CIS. German labor then executes the tasks that Eastern Europe and thc CIS have thus far been unable to execute.

    As for the current CIS / PRC alliance, I suspect that it is doomed. First, it is an anti-US alliance. The AUKUS (“We’re awkward”?) treaty suggests that the US is abandoning Europe along with the rest of the Asian land mass. Without a threatening US to hold them together, PRC’s low diplomatic skills and the PRC’s need for resources to be found in Siberia, together with Orthodoxy’s historic role of protecting against steppe invaders and the pull of BRD technical capabilities, should tend towards a re-alignment of the CIS and PRC.

    Further, China has shown no historic capability to reinforce other societies. Instead, Han Chinese become a market dominant minority (See Any Chua, _The World on Fire_). This is ordinarily resented by the locals, who sometimes drive the Chinese out, as in Vietnam after the departure of US military expeditionary forces. Note that something similar, but with different ethnic groups as “market dominant minorities”, happened in Eastern Europe during WW I, in Africa after the departure of Europeans, and several other areas that are described in Chua’s book, op. cit. The Russian Orthodox Church doubtless knows of this as well as it knows that the sun rises in the morning and will tend to favor an alliance with the BRD.

    As you can see, I tend to take a systems engineering approach to things, and to look at fundamental attractors. I can talk about trends, but not so much about timing. For timing, one goes to history, and sees that such realignments take about 3 decades, sometimes 3 decades of fighting (e.g. 1914-1946, 1614-1648, 431-404 BC) to work themselves out. That would hold for the AUKUS shift to an oceanic strategy and perhaps for the BRD/CIS alliance, although that may be possible within a decade depending on how the AUKUS shift works out.

    As for emerging markets, the US shift to AUKUS suggests a sharp reduction in world trade, and the end of countries supporting themselves as import/export businesses. That’s another reason why large scale changes in basic organization take about 3 decades — they are of necessity brutal affairs.

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  274. @Miro23

    That would be the least bloody solution to this western designed crisis. One coup deserves another, especially given the viper ridden ruling class of dysfunctional, contemporary Ukraine.

  275. @Anonymous

    to anonymous from elmerfudzie: Well, as the expression goes, business is business and the PRC has it’s own internal factions to deal with. I suppose in the last analysis, if some of the CIS countries find themselves benefiting from Chinese business practices, the PRC would care less how the cards fell, in terms of social democracy…That said, there are too many moving parts for me to dissect in your detailed and cogent analyses. Suffice it to say that historical backdrops you mentioned may not apply-this time. In any case, the Chinese are subconsciously (still) in love with The Great Wall, even though it’s an anachronous symbol to visitors who hold fast to a globalist world view.This clannish dogmatism, if you will, does seem to seep into and have an impact on Chinese diplomatic skills and intercultural gatherings.

    Japan is a very close ally to the US both financial and military cooperation are like none other, anywhere. When Queen Elizabeth gave that MP, Nick Clegg a dressing down for his support to stay inside the Union, I knew at once that the 5 Eyes, the City of London Banker elite, all decided to circle the wagons. This spelled disaster for the U.S.-EU military alliances that existed up until 2014. However, Webster Tarpley argues, the 5 Eye’s are breaking up. He holds the opinion that the Brits (oligarchs) are up to their usual world renowned treachery, and are planning to embrace the Chinese Banking system, thus promoting a new currency exchange based on London banking method, meanwhile issuing a new currency (Yuan) as the new reserve currency. This action will alter the destiny of all the CIS countries and directly compete with the USD, Yen and Euro. Tarpley further alleges that the Brits have thrown out the Maastricht Treaty or TEU and Lisbon Treaty as well. Further they have taken steps to stab the 5 Eyes in the back ?…I do believe in this English treachery and frankly, I have often thought of retiring to Ulster, Ireland..where my “soul brothers” are.

    China and the Brits will now wage economic warfare with the USD. Thanks, Brittan ! from all of us here in the USA, who saved your rear ends during the last two World Wars.

  276. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia killed a lot of children in Chechnya, Afghanistan and Syria.
    Russia should be erased from the face of the earth.
    .. .

    • LOL: Alfred
  277. @Philip Owen

    A crock of lying shite. It could have been penned by any Murdochite thug, or any Guardian vermin. There is a sort of ecstasy of lying in the work of Western war-mongers.

  278. @Philip Owen

    Interesting that your first two contributions are cogent, but the third a melange of anti-Russian sullage. The accusations of Russian ‘aggression’ when it has ONLY reacted to insane Western aggression is particularly odious. As for energy there are numerous studies showing that wind and solar could power the entire planet. They are already cheaper than coal, so what is the problem? The tens of trillions invested in fossil fuel ‘assets’ and the financial interests in them.

  279. @showmethereal

    The MSM in Austfailia NEVER reports ANYTHING positive from China, and very rarely did in the past. Today it is RELENTLESS hatred, 24/7, with the usual 100% Groupthink. And these vermin have the unspeakable gall to call their business a ‘Free’ media. They are the very worst of the worst.

  280. I suppose the USA has already answered Russia’s ultimatum. It is with 3 syllables…….suck….stan.

    I am getting me popcorn ready. The entertainment is going to get alot more exciting.

  281. @Anon

    Russia should be erased from the face of the earth.

    Napoleon tried
    Hitler tried.
    Now USA going to try?

  282. @Anon

    Russia killed a lot of children in Chechnya, Afghanistan and Syria.

    Russia should be erased from the face of the earth.

    Russia was not the only killers of children:

    I am sure you can find hundreds, even thousands, more such examples by searching the web.

  283. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick 'n Tired

    The US, unable to handle empire and its responsibilities, has withdrawn into petty feudalism, a parochial dictatorship, less worthy but still profitable. Carpetbaggers again.

  284. Adûnâi says: • Website

    The fact that Putinian Russia chose to copycat Occidental insanity with the vaccines is a statement to the sorry state of Russian propaganda. Imagine if Russia became the anti-vaxxer Mecca of the world? Such a missed opportunity. As late as 2020, Russia was playing the game of “entering the West” (as the pro-vaxx Putinian Jew Soloviev uses the term). Meanwhile, the only vaxx-free country is the DPR of Korea.

    Still, there are amusing anti-vaxx actors in Russia, such as the Putinian Armenian Kurginian (a Soviet mystic who believes in witches, literally).

    Regarding the upcoming war – I’d fully expect an amphibious landing in Odessa. The moment the south falls, Ukraine is finished geographically. And that’s without counting the stupid decision to shove most Judaeo-Ukrainian forces into the Donbass balcony. Although a Soleimani-like nuclear strike on Romania could be in the cards, too.

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  285. @Adûnâi

    Still, there are amusing anti-vaxx actors in Russia, such as the Putinian Armenian Kurginian (a Soviet mystic who believes in witches, literally).

    The article linked shows indeed quite strange dissertations by Kurginian. But we must understand he speaks through metaphoric language and figures. A deeper analysis would probably show more beyond the folkloric ideas of witches and lycanthropy.

    Anyway, he points a very important point (in the text of video):

    The philosopher points out that in conditions where there is neither the goal of human ascent, nor regulators, directed degradation has become a megatrend in the world, which is more dangerous than any arms race and viruses. And sooner or later, all those who do not obey the degradation trend will agree to any, the most monstrous, dictatorship, if only it would stop the decay.

  286. @Baxter

    It needs to be said that a bad deal or treaty is worse than no deal at all.

    That’s the attitude that most Americans would carry into any negotiation with a foreign power (particularly a hostile one). But, that’s not the traditional mind-set of our Beltway Bandits and their diplomatic servants. They are accommodationists who will force acceptance of a deal – even a really bad one – when it serves the very narrow interests of the political class. That ended when Donald Trump came on the scene and began to wreak havoc.

    Suffice it to say, this discussion would not be taking place had The Steal been averted.

  287. R.C. says:

    Thanks for that link, but do you have one that says that the bimbos were behaving like bimbos and not speaking with each other? Thanks.
    BTW, The woke Navy has a plan. They’ll distract Russian sailors with blowjobs.

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