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[The following is the republication of several long and very detailed comments by an unidentified purported expert on biowarfare that originally appeared on a recent thread of the Saker blogsite.]

[Update: an investigation strongly suggests that the author’s claims regarding his personal background and professional expertise are accurate.]

I’ll throw my 2 cents in here. I have zero proof other than my gut feeling that this is a bioweapon. I do have 40 year of biodefense research experience behind me and worked at Fort Detrich on bacterial vaccines where I developed my own aerosol infection routes and developed multi-species models of pathogenesis to establish correlates of immunity. Because I was a one-stop shop doing everything including animal care, aerosol exposures, sample analysis, necropsy, and histopathology, etc. plus I had research programs in endemic areas studying the immunopathological response in human populations to establish immune correlates of protection for candidate vaccines all for the Biological Defense Research Program (BDRP).

I recall the early years when the Department of Homeland Security was stood up and they got the lion’s share of poorly performing ciivil servants un-fireable under the then OPMA policies. I was brought in as a technical expert as we were in dire straits for funding so I (and others) was lent out as a research prostitute. This is a little known problem with civil service employees. They are impossible to eliminate and generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage. However, an opportunity arose whereby agencies in the Federal government had to contribute bodies to the new Department of Homeland Security (as no new vacancies were created when the agency was stood up meaning everyone had to sacrifice personnel) so most, if not all, employees sent to DHS were the worst of the worst. However, the DHS labs (specifically NBACC) also tied into some nefarious microbiologists working at the CIA (ostensibly part of DHS) and it is an understatement to say that what I saw being proposed horrified me. That work, I am certain was performed at Battle Memorial Institute in West Jefferson, Ohio under a DHS contract doing the work for the CIA under the auspices of NBACC. As I was very vocally opposed to this stuff I was removed from the secure access at DHS but not DoD to the offensive work which I had pointed out was not only illegal but unethical. I have since retired now more than 10 years and am far away from all of that. I won’t say more as they will reach out and seek retribution. But, if you look hard enough you can find still on the internet some references. There are some pissed off people out there should anyone care to actually do some leg work and try and figure this out. But, our news people no longer does this work so there is very little possibility of ever learning the truth.

However, that said, I notice some interesting things with COVID-19, that perked my ears up a bit. Yes, it could be a natural infection jumping species from bats to humans with a probable intermediate host, under conditions of human encroachment into world habitats. It is actually most likely to have been that, except for the strain differences being observed. That leads one to believe if it is in fact true, and I have no reason to doubt the Chinese on this, that it originated outside of China and it seems likely to have originated in the US. If, in fact, the US has 5 strains currently and China only one then it must have been percolating in the US for some time before it arose in China. Likely, deaths in the US were attributed to other diseases such as influenza and only retrospective sampling will determine this. It would be interesting to do a combination GPS-Molecular biology tracking of strains over time and distance. Also, a definite genetic analysis of strains over time would also be beneficial and can be done easily on every isolated strain. This would have value in attributing the course of the disease over time as part of a natural history study of the virus. We would need access to all samples of every lung disease related death for the past 12 months to be certain to track all potential deaths. NBACC is the key to figuring out what nefarious stuff was being funded.

It is possible that this virus has mutated over time to become more virulent. In particular engineered strains are generally unstable over multiple passages through multiple hosts. In my experience when testing strains for pathogenesis and lethality it is wise to first passage a frozen isolate several times through a susceptible animal host to regain full strength. If you test a lab isolate (usually frozen or lyophilized) generally it is wimpy unless you passage it at least 3 passages through an animal model. The worst strains are always those recovered from humans who died from the disease and not field collected strains. If this was perceived to be a useful agent from the likes of Bolton or Pompeo, who are terrible and evil people, then it is conceivable this was thought to teach the Chinese a lesson in economics. You have to be a complete idiot to release a virus for which you have no effective countermeasures but this administration seems to be filled with complete idiots. So, expecting normal behavior from these people is futile.

It could have been released during the 7th CISM military games held in Wuhan October 18-27, 2019 and that fits perfectly into the time scale for the actual infections. Now interestingly enough, I was a participant in several CISM competitions in Europe for skiing (I was on active duty for 26 years) so I am very well versed in who these athletes are. In general the best are Olympic competitors who are ostensibly part of the National Guard of their states who pay for their training by extended military active duty periods where their sole job is sports training. I used to lose every year to one of these guys and generally I placed a distant second place in cross country skiing. I also participated in the biathlon competitions and our soldiers were the very top level because they were in fact Olympic athletes. Rumor is that the US participants at CISM were atrocious which is very atypical so one wonders who these “athletes” were. I am reminded of the US military mission in Brazil to help flood victims which coincidentally was the exact same time that all the power transmission stations in Venezuela were destroyed. So, again a hackle or 2 rise when I heard about that. However, it is the perfect opportunity to release a virus on a target population.

I will also like to add that not all biological warfare agents are lethal. In fact, the worst are non-lethal as it consumes vast amounts of resources in treatment and lost productivity. Deaths are actually cheaper. So, a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy. As Trump’s administration claims they are waging war against economic enemies (currently China heads the list) using all possible actions. This fits perfectly into that; however, it may end up destroying the American economy which would be ironic.

I believe the Chinese response was exactly what a country would do if they were attacked with a bioweapon which explains a lot of their actions. I do not believe it was an accidental release from the BSL-4 labs in Wuhan. In fact, this may have been an irresistible opportunity similar to the alleged Novichuk release just 8 k away from Porton Down laboratories (the UK Fort Detrich). Interestingly, the potential release from PDL was never put forward as a logical explanation. Anyway, it sticks me that the CIA seems to have developed a pattern over time. As long as I am pushing my gut feelings I will throw out there the potential for a bioengineered adenovirus with c-fos and c-jun over expression which would cause sarcomas. That work was all published at the National Cancer Institute located where? Fort Detrich. I am certain it is just a coincidence. I can imagine the cackling going on at the CIA when planning this operation and again the coronavirus operation(s). I believe there were at least two attacks with Iran being the second and perhaps North Korea as well. However, evidence against it being a bioweapon is Russia, Venezuela, and Cuba are minimally affected. This could mean effective countermeasures or botched attacks. It is inconsistent though with the way the CIA operates.

Adenovirus is another virus similar to coronavirus in usage and easily aerosolized. I have made my own for over expression of medical treatments for wound infections. Has anyone other than myself noted that so many enemies of the US have died from sarcomas particularly in South America? My point is perhaps this stuff has been ongoing for quite some time and with some fairly good results. So, familiarity breeds contempt so as they gin more experience and begin to think this is good stuff, it is not out of the realm of possibility that this is in fact a bioweapon. That Iran was hit so hard is another hackle rising. It is just simply too good (for the idiots in the US government) to be a coincidence.

So, we are left with some interesting problems about this virus. Where was patient zero in China. What will be the results if a natural history study is conducted correlating geolocation, strain identity, severity of disease over time? Will that work be prevented? If so, that is yet another reason to be suspicious. Will it continue to mutate and what will be the outcome of this? Lots of good stuff to examine here and it will keep a lot of people busy for years.

Maybe you can explain this:
“Coronavirus have not previously been known to cause severe disease in humans”.
This is excerpt from the patent issued to CDC, US government. Link:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852B1/en

So the question for me is why should a harmless virus be patented by the US government and used for research in labs like US army research at Ft. Derick? That makes it military. Why is there then the SARS-CoV, and the latest COVID-19 which is SARS-CoV-2 ? The swineflu was likewise proven to be lab made at least in sources other than mainstream and WHO, the same was the case with Ebola, and even HIV.
It immediately raises the question of ban of biological weapons labs in my mind, by internatiopnal treaties just like a ban on the use of napalm, landmines and so on, since a harmless virus are researched in army labs and suddenly appears as aggresive viruses .

It is an interesting question. Under the bioweapons conference treaty no offensive work can legally be done and any signatory can demand an onsite inspection of facilities for verification at any time. To my knowledge that has never been demanded of the US. It has been done to Russia and China is not a signatory, nor is Israel or North Korea. We have been caught doing inappropriate biodefense research several times now but only because it became known and there were no consequences.

The slippery slope within DoD is to make a counter measure you have to try and look forwards and using intelligence based informatics to design offensive agents. In my opinion this is fallacious as we can’t make countermeasures against the normal 10 agents on the high threat list (since the program’s inception in 1942) other than anthrax and smallpox for which we have had effective vaccines for decades. Since 9/11 no new effective and/or safe vaccines have been been made for any of the rest of the agents on the list. This includes several far more likely biothreats like the plague, tularemia, glanders, brucella, Ebola, Marburg, etc. This was despite pouring billions into biodefense research most of which went to universities. When things cooled down the funding dried up as always. USAMRIID is currently shut down and may never re-open. But contracted services still go on and are funded using black money so not under the purview of Congress. So trying to make vaccines against biothreat agents that don’t exist seems ridiculous when the real threats, some of which the US has used in warfare, are still out there without effective preventatives. What happens is when you pour money into an area as happened after 9/11 all kinds of ridiculous stuff gets funded with very little oversight. The goal is to spend the money and no one really cares if any actual product is created. In fact, success means the demise of your program so the incentive is to drag it out for as long as funding is available. I had programs managed under DTRA funding that because I got new program managers as often as every 3 months had no clue or even any expertise in the matter and had zero idea of what we were doing. I got tired of doing a new dog and pony show each time I was assigned a new manager who usually was some very young recent PhD graduate with no experience at all. Often they were nebutistic appointments and daddy was a Congressman or Under Secretary.

The intelligence based decisions are as usual idiotic as is most intelligence coming out of the CIA and its affiliates. You get better intelligence reading PUBMED than you get out of any intelligence agencies. The microbiologists who work at the CIA and its contract companies were all military microbiologists who because they were essentially incompetent drifted over to the CIA. Then you have some IMHO ridiculous events. I recall when Ken Alibekov “defected” he spoonfed a bunch of made up BS which the CIA bought lock stock and barrel. I had working for me at the same time several former Soviet microbiologists (one of who was a senior researcher at Biopreparat) who were in fact the real deal and all told me he was a bullshit artist. One thing he peddled was a chimeric smallpox-Ebola and another a Ebola-anthrax. So the CIA immediately funded an effort to create chimeric viruses. To my knowledge these were unsuccessful however, the COVID-19 may be being caused by a chimeric virus. The only good reason to make a chimeric virus is to develop a attenuated strain for use as a vaccine. But, as often happens some attenuated mutants become more lethal as an unintended consequence. Another event was trying to force photo data from Iraq to prove they had an offensive bioweapons program. These guys had no clue what laboratory equipment was in actuality and had offered up a cooking truck with pots and pans etc. as proof. They were and I assume still are, idiots.

DoD programs are actually transparent and managed by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. Less transparent are the foreign stuff being funded under the Nunn-Lugar Act which includes the debacle of the “white elephant” lab and its satellite labs in the Republic of Georgia. No one will ever look into any of this but likely will end up blaming Russia or China.

They tend to underestimate their adversaries. China has an offensive program and if they get convinced they were attacked then I believe something nasty will be coming soon to the US. But, China is not stupid and won’t release a biothreat agent they have no preventative or treatment for. I also had several Chinese scientists working for me and I respect them immensely.

 

That should be PROMED for current infectious disease reporting around the world. It is exceptionally good and not funded or controlled by governments. PUBMED is for online publications which is also good but controlled by the government. I am fully aware of censorship of research papers by the US. I recall I wrote a letter to the editor of Science back in 1999 when the government decided to stockpile billions of doses of ciprofloxacin. I did a quick BLAST search and found that only a single base pair mutation in anthrax made it completely resistant to cipro. That letter was published and after 9/11 never seen again. There are other example such as the Canadian paper maybe also in 1999 showing that anthrax delivered in envelopes was not very effective. That one disappeared as well and the same as the Canadian paper where they were aerosolizing B. cereus spores out the back of a moving truck and using aerial infrared cameras demonstrated that these streams of aerosolized spores agglomerated into cloudlets which moved along in the wind and would usually avoid detector arrays which sampled airflow for aerosol particles. That is still the current state of the art for battlefield detection and that paper showed it to be ineffective at best. I can think of dozens of papers that were removed. After 9/11 any research paper that could be used by a foreign actor to develop better biothreat agents was rejected for publication outright. Almost none of my work was published after that except in classified reports which I believe were never read by anyone. I recall part of the madness in setting up NBACC was to generate very lengthy “white papers” that scrubbed through all published articles to assemble the complete picture for the then 10 threat agents. I wrote or edited two of those and they were immediately buried in some deep classified archive to the researchers who might benefit from this work could never actually use it. A complete waste of months and a ton of money. If you are perceiving that the US government biothreat programs are a complete shambles then you are not wrong.

I’ll go into that a bit more as well. It used to be in the military programs we were “command directed”. This means the military made a decision to make a vaccine against a perceived threat agent. They would assemble a research group assign them the mission and give 5 years funding to be continued if milestones (reasonable given the pittance of funding given). If you made progress then you got another 5 years of funding. That funding agency located at MRMC Fort Detrick was a Research area managed usually by a Major and a Captain, both microbiologists and experienced. Two people. There were 5 research area Directorates so a total of 10 program managers and a couple administrative colonels. This managed the entire DoD biothreat research programs and did it well. However, someone decided we needed an Agency to manage this stuff and DTRA which was funded by the Nunn-Lugar Act was already involved in the disassembly of Soviet nuclear capabilities so they wanted a bigger piece of the pie so absorbed the Research Directorates. The BDRP program at DTRA (basically identical as before) was now managed by over 400 contractors. The money came out of the research money we were supposed to be allocated.

After DTRA took over the funding was no longer Command Directed and we were all required to go out and fu-ind whatever funding we could hence why we made “deals” with DHS and the CIA. We went to an annual funding cycle instead of 5 years and never ending Gantt charts and reports. This was the age of 6 Sigma and the end of Management by Objective. We were also charged rent and had to pay for every service at our Institute including the security and even the library. Even our higher command MRMC stole 6% off the top to pay for pet projects unfunded by anyone with a brain. So, this became the age of entrepreneurial research and the end of productive research. Our commander, as an example, had no idea what we were doing at all and was shocked at all the “cool” stuff we were doing. This is the new breed of commander who manages by committee and never goes out walking the floors to visit labs. What the old school commanders call management by walking around and poking your nose into everything. But now these guys sit in their office and are fed whatever the REMFs decide they should hear. This is management in the US government as a whole and there are so many hidden agendas and internal conflicts between programs it is difficult to describe just how awful it is to try and do research in that environment. A lot of the worst of those commanders or research Division Directors went on to be current heads of HHS, CDC, and their undersecretaries, etc. which explains why those agencies are so screwed up and why there is such a horrible response to this virus.

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. A historical article of interest:

    The US Used Biological Warfare Against Mainland China in the 1950s

    https://www.anti-empire.com/us-used-horrific-biological-weapons-in-the-korean-war/

  2. JimDandy says:

    Kinda funny that the aggressively-authoritarian dystopia that is China would be cool with having hundreds of US military personnel come hang out near their biolab.

    I mean, that is what happened, isn’t it?

  3. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Biological warfare is very old. Goes back more than 3,000 years:

    “The ‘Hittite plague’, an epidemic of tularemia and the first record of biological warfare.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17499936

    A long-lasting epidemic that plagued the Eastern Mediterranean in the 14th century BC was traced back to a focus in Canaan along the Arwad-Euphrates trading route. The symptoms, mode of infection, and geographical area, identified the agent as Francisella tularensis, which is also credited for outbreaks in Canaan around 1715 BC and 1075 BC. At first, the 14th century epidemic contaminated an area stretching from Cyprus to Iraq, and from Israel to Syria, sparing Egypt and Anatolia due to quarantine and political boundaries, respectively. Subsequently, wars spread the disease to central Anatolia, from where it was deliberately brought to Western Anatolia, in what constitutes the first known record of biological warfare. Finally, Aegean soldiers fighting in western Anatolia returned home to their islands, further spreading the epidemic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. Pheasant says:

    He cannot spell the name of the place he supposedly worked for however many years?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Detrick

    Does not bode well for his authenticity.

  5. Pheasant says:

    I am more than willing to believe the deep state would sabotage China and America both but the guy who wrote this sounds like a Chinese shill to be honest.

  6. Kinda funny that the aggressively-authoritarian dystopia that is China would be cool with having hundreds of US military personnel come hang out near their biolab. I mean, that is what happened, isn’t it?

    You know why that happened? Because China is not an aggressively-authoritarian dystopia.

    If there’s one regime we could call an aggressively-authoritarian dystopia it’s the one that has:
    • warrantless surveillance of private phone and email conversations.
    • SWAT team raiding homes;
    • thousands of shootings of unarmed citizens by police
    • harsh punishment of schoolchildren in the name of zero tolerance
    • endless unpopular wars
    • secret bans on 50,000 people from flying and refusing explanations
    • imprisoning 2,000,000 people witout trial
    • executing 2,000 people each year prior to arrest.
    • out-of-control government spending with little benefit to citizens
    • heavily armed, militarized police;
    • roadside strip searches;
    • roving border sweeps that imprison citizens and non-citizens
    • privatized prisons with a profit incentive for jailing citizens;
    • fusion centers that collect and disseminate data on citizens’ private transactions
    • militarized agencies with stockpiles of ammunition

    The Chinese government does few of these things, its police are unarmed, its legal system is highly trusted, and its government’s policies are very popular.

  7. @Pheasant

    Good point. Another oddity is how he says that DHS was “stood up” instead of set up. He uses that term more than once. The foreword states that this is taken from several posts on a thread by someone using a handle instead of identifying himself, so……

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  8. @Pheasant

    Surely you don’t mean that this is Godfree Roberts pulling a fast one. ahaha

  9. Lot says:
    @Pheasant

    Also: “Battle Memorial Institute”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battelle_Memorial_Institute

    It’s isn’t pronounced like “Battle” either, it’s Buh-Tel.

  10. Lot says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Bat soup is safe and China is free!

    Communist Party only Party China people want!

    Wise leader Xi ban Pooh Bear, too much honey bad example for one-child.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @NPleeze
  11. Ano4 says:

    Why is he using Fort Detrich instead of Fort Detrick in the beginning of his posts and only starts using the correct appellation once it is used by Saker in one of his replies?

    He used nebutistic (sic) instead of nepotistic.

    He wrote PUBMED (all capital letters) instead of Pubmed that people in the field would use.

    Weird.

    On the other hand, he referred to several articles from the end 90-ies that are indeed known to people in the field.

    The Canadian article he wrote about is indeed very good.

    He knows about Biopreparat, but as long as I know the people who worked there mainly stayed in Russia.

    In fact they were forbidden to leave the country for a period of 10 years after they retired from the field.

    Some were banned from traveling for life.

    So how did people working for him get their way to the US?

    He writes that Chinese scientists worked for him.

    Where, at Fort Detrick?

    That would be insane…

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Alfred
  12. anon[974] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a lot of intriguing sniping at old micro based on errors, typos, etc. Some of what he writes sounds almost non-native. But consider that any old timer who’s seen it all has to manage the risk of getting leaned on. To impede text analysis you change your vocabulary and you don’t write your best. Misspelling the names of organizations can be quite helpful; I’ve done it myself when blowing the whistle. You alter personal information too (consider that maybe he’s not a Nordic skier.)

    Old micro’s account of bureaucratic dysfunction has impressive verisimilitude. It is clear he knows the black world well (excuse the portentous term but that’s what they call it.) CIA’s traditional management of criminal activity involves decentralization and loose controls, and its DHS branch is evidently jerry-rigged (Frank Snepp’s term) to let the homicidal maniacs get on with it.

    But you don’t need insider denunciations to catch CIA red-handed. This germ-warfare grabass has been a dull roar for decades, with continual fuckups and lab suspensions to obscure intent. And everybody in the world knows it. All BWC treaty parties know it, as Russia formally notified them. The SCO, salient target, most certainly knows even more. The discovery of COVID-19 coincided with a slap on the wrist for Fort Detrick, but old micro points to Battelle as the worst offender. And where was Fruitfly found? Ohio. Private-sector antivirus researchers first found it on the Macs of life science researchers. That fact got sucked down the memory hole and the purported hacker was charged with intruding into DoE and “other organizations.” Wanna bet Battelle was not among them? Closed-caption for the hard-of-thinking: Russia and China are on to you. This is war and you’re gonna lose it. Bob and Becky better have petrol and a luger in their Hitler bunker cuz he’s first in line for Nuremberg II.

  13. bomag says:
    @anon

    Old micro’s account of bureaucratic dysfunction has impressive verisimilitude.

    That’s why I doubt wannabe spooks would actually release a bio-agent: they are completely happy in their bureaucratic world; much aversion for any change to the status quo.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Gyre07
  14. bigmonkey says:

    Doesn’t anyone remember the theft in Winnepeg at Canada’s Level 4 lab by 2 Chinese scientists last year?

    https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2020/01/28/coronavirus-outbreak-a-result-of-chinese-biological-espionage.html

    • Agree: Red Pill Angel
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @naill
  15. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:

    What are you talking about? They’ve done it. Time and time again. Read the 2001 Anthrax Deception by MacQueen. Less obviously, they did it with H1N1 in 2009, and more obviously with everything but Weltschmerz in Korea, North and South.

    CIA runs US illegal germ warfare.

  16. Ron Unz says:

    Regarding some of the above complaints, I’d note that the author claims to have spent 40 years working in biodefense and retired more than 10 years ago. That obviously puts him in his 70s and quite possibly his late 70s.

    Moreover, the text was originally left in the form of several long comments on a relatively small website.

    Under these circumstances, I hardly think we should be shocked at the presence of a few minor typos of grammar and spelling, and argue that these prove the comments were a hoax. And leaving such detailed comments on a small website hardly seems like a very rewarding activity for an amateur or professional hoaxer.

    My guess is that government professionals, especially those who have worked in fields related to biodefense, would be the individuals best able to evaluate the credibility of this description based upon its style and content. Since my own expertise is nil, that certainly doesn’t include me.

  17. To the author of this excellent piece.

    QUOTE Has anyone other than myself noted that so many enemies of the US have died from sarcomas particularly in South America? END QUOTE

    If you’ve studied the Kennedy assassination, you will know that many of the people on the periphery were involved in cancer research, some claiming that this was in developing cancer weapons. Some also are certain that Jack Rubenstien was given fast acting cancer.

    I personally am certain of at least one other person who was given rapid cancer, William Luther Pierce. Well, perhaps two people, Dr Bob Bowman, who actually could have won the presidency, or at least made enough noise to make a difference.

    I’d bet a lot that you are right about your observations of cancer and the enemies of the state..

    And I’ve read two books by Alibekov. I’d be curious to read more about your associates’ claims, if possible. He might be a BS artist about somethings (many people are) but I’ve never read anyone who claims he is not who/what he is purported to be.

    • Replies: @dimples
  18. bjondo says:

    I will also like to add that not all biological warfare agents are lethal. In fact, the worst are non-lethal as it consumes vast amounts of resources in treatment and lost productivity. Deaths are actually cheaper. So, a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy. As Trump’s administration claims they are waging war against economic enemies (currently China heads the list) using all possible actions. This fits perfectly into that; however, it may end up destroying the American economy which would be ironic.

    Yid in Ersatz Israel love to shoot an eye, knee, leave ’em crippled.
    Ersatz I., like Amurderka, will find out, “what goes around, comes around.”

    May be the virus elites want this result?

    The writer may, may not be authentic.
    I agree with what he has written – the parts I read.

    A bio weapon better named: FtDet-19.

    5 dancing shlomos

  19. Pheasant says:
    @Ron Unz

    ‘Under these circumstances, I hardly think we should be shocked at the presence of a few minor typos of grammar and spelling’

    Getting the spelling of the place where he worked wrong is not a minor mistake and as another poster above pointed out he started using the correct name after others had done so.

    Being generous I would say that maybe as a quasi whistleblower he wanted to put distance between his comments and search engines/databases like the commenter above suggests.

    • Replies: @Maat
    , @Kim
    , @JimB
    , @Showmethereal
  20. Greg Burton says: • Website

    Once you understand the globalist mindset, almost everything they do becomes rather robotic and predictable. It should not be surprising that the World Health Organization (WHO), a branch of the United Nations, has been so aggressive in cheer-leading for the Chinese government and its response to the coronavirus outbreak.

    After all, China’s communist surveillance state model is a beta test for the type of centralization that the UN wants for the entire planet. They certainly aren’t going to point out that it was China’s totalitarian system that allowed the outbreak to spread from the very beginning.

    Agenda 21/2030 asymmetric war on humanity: although superficially counter-intuitive, releasing a virulent, persistent and deadly pandemic like the CoronaVirus into china first benefits the globalist agenda.

    As the totalitarian government in China allows the ruling clique to do what it wishes with the Chinese people: quarantines, forced vaccines, exclusion zones, round-ups, mass detentions, hospitals and ‘deathatoriums’, crematoriums … all can be quickly built and implemented as regard for human rights and due process in China are limited.

    In the United States, still a functioning democracy, response times will be slowed by ‘due process’. Allowing the pandemic to gain a stronger foothold, its devastating effects on U.S. health, infrastructure, supply chains lasting longer. As China quickly recovers, the United States will still languish as a result of this disease.

    Ultimately, the Coronavirus pandemic, when combined with an economic collapse brought about by the privately held central banking system, could lead to the collapse of the United States; finding itself greatly weakened, vis a vis, the new Chinese global superpower.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @FB
    , @Nonny Mouse
  21. Tru3655 says:

    This was written by a big C op. I live here. The local gov doesn’t want any blame for this. The head of WHO is funded by C. The goal is to change thr narrative. They have many 50 cent guys joining foreign and alternative media websites and posting this. If this was a bioweapon released by the Us. The US would most certainly have a cure. In addition, C is a locked down country. Every person, phone call, email and so on is monitored. Especially, passports. Any foreign gov related staff who visit are heavily monitored. Their items are scanned and their rooms are checked. There is no chance of ANY gov group putting a virus in Wuhan. So, please be careful with this kind of rumor building. If this becomes the official narrative of C’s gov, they will respond in kind. And it will be MUCH worse.So, with all due respect, don’t just post up what any person posts on a random forum. Anyone claiming to be an expert, should state their name and give full verifiable cridentials. If not, they have alterior motive.

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    , @Daemon
    , @Bonami
  22. Stan says:

    The comments were not written by a native speaker of the English language judging from the grammar and syntax.

  23. Ron Unz says:
    @Tru3655

    This was written by a big C op.

    It’s interesting that quite a number of the most zealous “anti-conspiracy-theory” activists are individuals who have never previously commented on this website.

    In addition, C is a locked down country. Every person, phone call, email and so on is monitored. Especially, passports. Any foreign gov related staff who visit are heavily monitored.

    Actually, thousands of foreign military officers were visiting Wuhan for the international Military Games, including 300 from the US. Under these circumstances, it’s impossible to closely monitor all of them while they were sightseeing around the city. By an astonishing coincidence, the deadly Coronavirus outbreak occurred soon afterwards.

    If this was a bioweapon released by the Us. The US would most certainly have a cure.

    Well, that would make perfect sense unless elements of the American national security establishment were criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent. However, they ARE criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent.

    Let’s focus on an important point about which I think we can all now agree…

    According to official US government estimates published in the NYT, it’s expected that up to 1.7 million Americans will die from the Coronavirus. Actually, the true figure may be far higher since they estimate that something like 200 million Americans will become infected, and 200 million infections would probably lead to many millions of deaths.

    Over the last couple of months, China locked down its entire country in quarantine and stamped out the disease. South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan took immediate action to avert the disaster, and have successfully avoided substantial fatalities.

    Meanwhile, during the same period the American government was so incredibly stupid, crazy, and incompetent that it did absolutely nothing, meaning that millions of Americans may quite possibly die as a consequence.

    So everyone can agree that the American government is so stupid, crazy, and incompetent that millions of Americans may soon die.

    Therefore, isn’t it plausible that elements of a government so stupid, crazy, and incompetent as to cause the deaths of millions of Americans might also be so stupid, crazy, and incompetent as to have deployed a deadly bioweapon against China (and Iran)?

  24. Delta G says:

    Brainless Microbiologist is more appropriate handle. I could write a lot of others but Unz will not publish those even though they are much more correct.

    As I have said, the Internet has most certainly allowed the Imbecile equal time with the expert and even more weight as it is much easier to push BS than facts or the truth.

    Yes let’s have no Editorial work and dilute out anything worth reading and possibly worth knowing with Garbage like these articles on Corona as a Bio-weapon.

    Maybe the Site should changes its name to “Dumber Than Dirt, and Proud of It Too!!”

  25. Anon[113] • Disclaimer says:

    I would like to point out that Trump is almost sweating blood over Covid-19. He’s very worried about the crashing stock market, the potential death rate, and he’d certainly like to get re-elected. Furthermore, Trump absolutely wouldn’t want a problem like this to land on his head right after he just got out from under the whole impeachment thing. Liberals are trying to blame/frame him already for everything Covid-19 related. There’s no way Trump authorized any bioweapon release. He wouldn’t want the extra trouble in his life. No sane person wants extra trouble of this kind. What’s more, Trump has been known for a long time to be a germaphobe. No way is a germaphobe going to release a world-wide pandemic. It’s their worst nightmare.

    I still think the mostly likely possibilities are these 2: Some moron ate a bat carrying a natural virus back in November in Wuhan, or some Chinese lab worker made the virus for the purpose of making vaccines, and injected Covid-19 into an animal for testing purposes. Then another lab worker-maybe even a janitor–stole some contaminated lab animals to sell at the Wuhan wet market–which was conveniently located only a few hundred yards away, without realizing the animals were infected specimens. In China, making few bucks on the sly is something they don’t hesitate to do.

    I really think the latter possibility is the most likely explanation.

    Xi Jinping must be really frustrated. Here’s this control-freak guy trying to tighten his grip on his country and make China a major world power–and economic powerhouse–and his fellow Chinese screw up and own-goal him. I don’t think he authorized any release of any virus, either. None of what’s happening furthers any ambition of his.

    • Agree: JRB
  26. DKs says:

    November 2015, work on gain-of-function studies in a chimeric SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV was published in leading medical journal, Nature Medicine, which “maximizes the opportunity for pathogenesis” and showed “robust replication in human cells”. Article also included the footnote: ”Cells were originally obtained from Fort Detrick“. The cell surface binding receptor for the virus was ACE2, same as nCov-2019.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    Mid August 2019, Fort Detrick bio-weapons lab was shutdown for safety violations, including thousands of cases of leaks of research pathogens, and thefts of vials of unknown origins.
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/11/maryland-senator-pens-letter-army-over-fort-detrick-lab-shutdown.html
    December 2019, Fort Detrick germ warfare lab partially reopens after a federal inspection found two failures in containing unnamed germs or toxins.
    https://www.salon.com/2019/12/07/the-army-quietly-re-opens-its-infamous-germ-warfare-lab_partner/

    Mid-Late October, USA sends a large delegation of 300 military personnel to attend World Military games in Wuhan, China. The results? China came first, Russia came second, and where did the US come? 35th, soundly beaten by countries such as Tunisia, Namibia, and Kenya. Local audiences described America’s performance as a ragtag group who didn’t know what they were doing. One wonders what their real agenda were for going and “competing”, or whether they were even trained servicemen in the first place.
    https://www.sohu.com/a/349757563_484335

    Mid-Late October, Bill Gates Foundation simulates a coronavirus pandemic that infects and kills 65 million worldwide, that starts in Brazil and is immediately transmitted to Wuhan and China. The name of the virus used in the simulation? nCov-2019. The group who later creates and owns the patent for the coronavirus, The Pirbright Institute, is directly funded by the Bill Gates Foundation.
    https://prepareforchange.net/2020/01/27/event-201-bill-gates-world-economic-forum-simulated-coronavirus-outbreak-6-weeks-before-first-case-in-wuhan/

    Mid-Late November, First cases of coronavirus start appearing in Wuhan, noting the 14 day incubation period and similarities with common flu that would have slowed initial diagnosis of a novel outbreak. Together with the new research into viral haplotypes and their origins, of which all 5 known haplotypes can be traced to the US (the only country in the world with all 5 known haplotypes), while almost all cases in Wuhan >95% were of 1 haplotype only (remainder belonging to a second haplotype), it’s becoming clear just exactly where this virus originated from.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

    This isn’t even the first instance of a bio-weapons attack on China, rather it’s a series of coordinated strikes within the last couple of years aimed at crippling China.

    June 2017, study published in PLOS Pathogens details transformation of an avian flu H7N9 virus to become much more transmissible and lethal, with details on how to turn it into a virtual pandemic agent.
    https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/human-rights/scripps-scientists-publish-how-they-made-h7n9-virus-more-transmissible

    In that same year in 2017, novel H7N9 bird flu pandemic hits China, wiping out the entire poultry industry, and killing hundreds of people, with 40% fatality rate.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-birdflu-pandemic-idUSKBN1CO2DD

    Throughout 2019, novel African swine flu outbreak hits China, almost wiping out the entire pig industry. Numerous accounts of foreign drones caught spraying in rural farms, and a US plane used in distributing a mutated swine flu virus was shot down in China.
    http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1303.htm

    Feb 2020, novel H5N1 avian influenza outbreak hits China, decimating the poultry stock in Hunan province, and this virus has the capacity to transmit to humans which carries a 60% fatality rate historically.
    https://strangesounds.org/2020/02/avian-flu-outbreak-china-coronavirus-epidemic.html

    Are we to believe that all these novel and newly discovered viruses that all of a sudden are ravaging China are a coincidence? What are the probability of natural outbreaks of different origins all occurring within a short timespan and all within the same country? Think about who really benefits from these occurrences?

  27. Chinaman says:
    @Greg Burton

    As the totalitarian government in China allows the ruling clique to do what it wishes with the Chinese people: quarantines, forced vaccines, exclusion zones, round-ups, mass detentions, hospitals and ‘deathatoriums’, crematoriums … all can be quickly built and implemented as regard for human rights and due process in China are limited.

    Thank god the Chinese have a totalitarian government. These actions stopped the virus dead in its track.

    You guys can’t even get tested for the virus and the UK government have given up and going to let nature takes its course!

    This alone prove that Democracy is the worst kind of government ever, internecine strife ensures that nothing gets done and the Peter principle does the most damage.

  28. Max Payne says:
    @Stan

    More like someone who trusted their auto-complete/auto-spell feature a little too much when they were dictating their replies. I also assume these retirees have consumed a beer or three before posting (because retirement).

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  29. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ano4

    He writes that Chinese scientists worked for him.

    Where, at Fort Detrick?

    That would be insane…

    Couple things. First off, I think OM’s first language is not English.

    Second, I’m taking it you haven’t been in too many USG/military/DoD contractor labs? Sandia, NIST, Ft. Detrick, Natick Labs, Lincoln Lab, Draper, et al. Lots of scientists born in PRC and ROC. Up until last year I worked in the field and know China (including, bizarrely, PRC) wasn’t placed on the ‘high-threat country’ list for security clearances until approximately May 2018. Same time as Russia.

    Also, I don’t think this bit of information is widely known— perhaps it’s intentionally kept on the q.t.— but U.S. military visits Chinese military labs and vice versa. I’ve talked with top scientists at U.S. military labs who express bewilderment that their labs, which are off limits to all except U.S. citizens with proper security clearances and access, have been visited by officers of the PLA.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @anonymous
  30. Biff says:

    I’ve read this before – can’t remember where, but it is obviously making the rounds…

  31. Also of interest:
    First mainstream Japanese (Asahi Shimbun), then Taiwanese, then mainland Chinese said virus came from US, using precisely the genetic/geographic correlates he mentioned:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    It did not start as “CHICOM” propaganda, but as Japanese research, promoted by a mainstream Japanese media.

    Taiwanese TV:

    https://m.weibo.cn/status/4477008216030027#&video

    Note:

    Very archaic variety found only in US (text unclear: H38?)

    Good news: North American population likely not as immunologically naive as anti-Chinese propaganda suggests.

  32. @Godfree Roberts

    I bet the Chinese don’t eat dogs, either.

    China = Best Place Ever!

  33. @anon

    So the “typos” will fool the text analysis guys!

    And the dog ate my homework.

    • Replies: @SBaker
    , @Erebus
  34. eah says:

    It’s interesting that quite a number of the most zealous “anti-conspiracy-theory” activists are individuals who have never previously commented on this website.

    Yes, as everyone knows having a pseudo-anonymous comment history at unz.com is the ultimate imprimatur of credibility on any question.

    And here’s what I find “interesting” about all the “anti-conspiracy-theory” proponents on unz.com:

    I have zero proof other than my gut feeling that this is a bioweapon.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
  35. @anon

    Yeah, I’m expecting some fireworks, mostly unreported, but things being what they are, maybe some will be noticed and remarked upon.

    Then again, maybe not. Really there isn’t much to do, as they watch the economic shock waves play out over the next 6-12 months, their opponents’ positions will dwindle without much intervention, as the petrodollar implodes and hyper-inflation takes effect, Americans will need to learn to grow food and maybe forge iron tools, for the 1% water-walkers they will start to feel more and more like a Baron in Paraguay, lots of pomp, but you’re the lord of a 3rd world shithole, NYC could turn into that in a few years if we don’t figure out a good transition.. I’m hopeful, as a resident and natural born Americano. We’re just a population of castrated retards lorded over by some retarded animated dogshit kind of people, maybe we can evolve up and out of this situation to something better.

    Objectively again, for SCO, it will remain a question of managing provocations, up to and potentially including a hail-mary thermonuclear storm. Bunkers indeed, lots of bunkers.

    They could potentially do something symmetric and therefore non-discriminate over here, or go after relevant complexes in a precision program. Maybe some of both. The economic big gun seems to have been released on the petrodollar. I’ve been waiting for this one for 15 years, not really waiting for but anticipating somewhat. Actually saw the machinery for it in place with the Shanghai Gold Exchange opening in 2017-2018. It’s been ongoing, but with some management. The last few days it seems that … well, I guess SCO has gone nuclear in the financial realm, mabye that’s the best way to put it, because something is no longer contained. The FederalReserve just put up $1.5 Trillion, and it did nothing. The game is up. If there is no food and essential stuff in your basic suburban sprawl metropolis of 10 million souls, there is no need to release any virus, though you will see plenty of typhus etc in the newly homeless. Mad Max could happen if there’s no food. So…, again, as an American, I could be really pessimistic and this is good to the extent I’m being realistic about the possibilities in terms of future scenarios… but it’s even better if we can try to envision some good coming from a transition. Maybe this disengagement from Mammon and the cult of bigger, better, faster, more gets people back to what’s really important. Family, friends, community, food to eat, that’s hopefully actually nutritious, medical care, comfortable and inspiring surroundings, truth, science and industry, manufacturing, local responsibility, self-reliance, local control…
    I do kind of think the legacy elites will be pushed out by something new here in the USA. I read somewhere that the Russian culture recycles its elites. Old elites get purged and new ones get trucked in from the stix. I’m not proposing that, it’s just interesting to think about, contrasting with where we are, what elites (preposterous buffoons) we got, how we got here etc.
    I think the old caste of elites here in this country knows they are defeated. Not tactically –just– or even strategically –just– but in terms of fate, destiny, gods’-favor, karma, honor, conceptual vigor, etc, they know they don’t have what it takes. They know they are parasites that have no business really to be in the position they are in. They feel their decadence and revolting sin like a lead cast, which is what it is, a dead weight. They’ll carry it to hell with them. They know it now. They didn’t know it in 2005, when the hubris was in full fashion. But they know it now, in 2020, for the most part, they know it now.

    Just some random internet dude thoughts…

    I don’t eat popcorn, but I am enjoying the show.

  36. denk says:

    NIH director warned of a second wave of CV in China..!
    That sends a cold down my spine. [1]

    This is fucking insider info, dont ever ignore it when the wolf cries wolves !

    Back in 2012….

    ‘A number of insiders, including Dr. Daniel Gerstein of the Department of Homeland Security, former Senators Bill Talent and Bob Graham of the Weapons of Mass Destruction Center in Washington, D.C. and vaccine manufacturer, Dr. J. Joseph Kim of Inovio Pharmaceuticals, have stated that a major global pandemic is likely to take place before the end of 2013.’
    [2]

    One must wonder how Gerstein could possibly pinpoint a timeline for a pandemic, which is generally seen to be the result of unpredictable microscopic events. Unless, perhaps, he has a hand in creating one.’
    [3]

    Sure enough, China was ravaged by the H7N9 bird flu in 2013 !

    By now, everybody knows BIll depopulation Gates host a pandemic simulation excercise which predicts an outbreak killing 65 millions, barely three months before the Wuhan crisis. !

    Yet another ‘exercise that goes live ???

    Let this sink in,
    Dont ever take it lightly ,,,,.when the wolf king cries wolves !

    [1]
    https://sputniknews.com/world/202003151078573182-doctor-warns-china-about-new-blip-in-coronavirus-cases/

    [2]
    https://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

    [3]
    https://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/dancing-apocalypso-with-microbial.html

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
  37. Fort Detrich

    Ft Detrick.

    Not a promising start – I’ll put it down to the lamentably low level of literacy in the USA, and give the author a Mulligan.

    Plus, I’m waiting for Westworld to download.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  38. @Ron Unz

    China locked down its country after letting the virus spread for two months and silencing anyone who spoke out. Their response was about the same as the US, both of which were driven by fears of upsetting the economy. Now that their colossal fuckup has spread throughout the world they blame their top geopolitical rival and claim victimhood.

    They must have learned well from your tribe: the chinaman cries out in pain as he strikes

    • Agree: SBaker
  39. FB says: • Website
    @Greg Burton

    In the United States, still a functioning democracy…

    Next…

    • LOL: Mike P
  40. Biff says:

    I thought vaccines take months – even years to develop, but here’s an article saying they have one ready for this week, and trials will begin? Seems awful suspicious and leaves on thinking that this may have been developed in previous months/years..

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-seattle-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-055006697.html

    Seattle’s Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute plans to give an experimental dose of coronavirus vaccine to the first participant in a clinical trial on Monday, The Associated Press quotes a government official as saying.

  41. Since I had already responded to this opinion piece a couple of days ago, after key excerpts of it had been been highlighted by Ron Unz in a parallel thread, I will repeat the same content here, especially because no valid counter-arguments were presented thereafter to challenge it:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/who-made-coronavirus-was-it-the-u-s-israel-or-china-itself/?showcomments#comment-3770300

    Notwithstanding his prior experience, his main premise (“fits perfectly into the time scale for the actual infections“) was simply asserted, yet it is highly implausible, based on observations in Italy and Korea – whose health authorities have been reporting more transparently than those in China – regarding the high exponential rate of spread of this particular virus.

    According to his conjecture, namely that the virus “could have been released during the 7th CISM military games”, it would then have been spreading unconstrained for approximately 64 days before somebody – the whistleblower Li – even noticed and remarked that something suspicious was going on. In this context, recall the famous “Wheat and Chessboard Problem”, for which there is a doubling at every iteration, which corresponds to a natural continually compounding growth rate of 69%. Surely the spread of the virus was at least doubling every day for a long time. Had it been released during the military games, it would have caused public alarm much sooner.

    In a concurrent essay and thread on this topic, authored by Tony Hall, I concluded (comment #166) that the initial release of the virus must have occurred well after the games were over and even longer before the “ideal” time to do maximum damage by having the virus spread by unwitting carriers just before the lunar new year and after the holidays. So there were no suspicious patterns pointing to an intentional release of the bio-engineered virus.

    https://www.unz.com/article/who-or-what-started-the-wuhan-coronavirus-epidemic/#comment-3762511

    As it turned out, the infections were confined primarily to the Wuhan region rather than having spread widely throughout China, as would otherwise have been the case as a consequence of a later release.

    Since he at least agrees with a point I had made days ago (“have to be a complete idiot to release a virus for which you have no effective countermeasures“), his conjecture therefore essentially reduces to a fantasy projection involving the political “Madman theory”, according to which evil people in power (“the likes of Bolton or Pompeo“) cannot constrain their devious urges and may commit mass murder due to their mental instability. For the record, Bolton had already been fired at that time, and Pompeo was already working for the Department of State for one and a half years. At least this commentator could have done us the favor to specifically name the presumptive individual who would have readily authorized such a mass viral attack.

    To be cynical about it, this guy could be just another operative tactically propagating the notion that Trump might be a Madman – so watch out!

    One should bear in mind that there is a huge difference, between incompetence and stupidity in responding to an emerging and unprecedented crisis at a multi-agency bureaucratic level and allegedly executing a nefarious secret operation that would have been subject to prior contingency planning, so it is not a credible argument to conflate the two and invoke one aspect to draw likely inferences or conclusions about another. Still, being so blatantly unprepared even a few months after an alleged attack by a different agency of the same government would tend to negate the validity of that allegation.

    To summarize, the following arguments are all implausible individually and therefore significantly more so in conjunction with each other, yet most especially when regarding the plausible alternative explanation of an unintended release at the Wuhan bio-weapons lab:

    • Purported viral release in late October, spreading exponentially, goes undetected for two months;

    • Alleged intent to maximize damage by spreading undetected fails even after belated response;

    • Presumptively malicious release failed to account for potential blowback effect to own economy;

    • Uncoordinated response, months after putative inside information, endangers own leadership.

    It is then fair to wonder whether this line of conjecture is meant to serve as a distraction.

    Very pretty and colorful artwork accompanying this opinion piece; looks like it could be sent as a Christmas card.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Tony Hall
  42. Nils says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    The interesting part I’ve heard repeated elsewhere on the internet is the concept of strains and where they are located.

    Apparently 5 versions of the Coronavirus exist in the world. All 5 variants exist in the US. China has one and so does Iran m, with the two being different.

    From what I’ve read, it’s impossible or rather unlikely for the virus to originate in China when there is evidence of extensive genetic diversity of the virus in the US. This indicates a longer time in the population at least.

    IF the US accidentally released it internally through poor safeguards then they may have opted to export it before responding. That would change the narrative significantly a la China and Wuhan.

    Elsewhere I have read convincing timelines of the work China was doing on Coronavirus in Wuhan. That cannot be discounted. And we shouldn’t think China and Russia are not ruthless geopolitically. They would be fools not to be facing an opponent like the US.

    It’s very hard to decipher the correct sequence of events in this ‘Who done it’. Someone needs to develop some set of logic that would disqualify one of the narratives.

    Something like: If A is the culprit, their response is very likely only X otherwise Z.

    For example, a delayed quarantine that morphs into a full marshal law in the US with obvious forethought and planning would give it away as being done by the US. Think of the war footing and political hysteria it would create. And retribution by China would require it.

    Otherwise the masses will have to wait on some sort of deep scientific testing of strains as the author alluded to in the article. Which means we can probably only sit back and ponder.

    Lastly, remember the operational behavior of the hegemon during 9/11. There was detailed responses to people pushing back against the Patriot Act (anthrax attacks) as well fake evidence of WMDs followed by fast aggression. That sort of behavior would sound alarms to the truth, I think.

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
  43. FB says: • Website

    Interesting writeup…

    First the good impressions…this guy does sound like he knows the subject…[unlike the massive tracts of diarrhea published here by pinheads like Karlin and others who know diddly about this stuff…]

    He leaves the impression that these government-run bioweapon programs are quite poorly managed and in general disarray, with a lot of incompetent people and just generally a mess…this would not surprise me in the least…

    Overall, I would say this guy sounds credible…he also doesn’t engage in speculation about whether this thing was manufactured by someone or other, but just gives his experience on working in this field…ie he is not, to his credit, pushing some kind of ‘scenario’…which is how an actual scientist would approach the issue…

    What I found not so helpful is that he used a lot of technical language without attempting to explain any basics to the layman [what is a ‘chimeric’ virus…?]…as well as a lot of obscure acronyms…I would have liked to have seen a more educational presentation that assumes the reader has no knowledge of the subject and that a lot of basic concepts need to be explained in simple and easy to grasp terms…

    As for his misspelling of Ft Detrick and other typos, yes I found that a little strange to say the least…but others in the thread have posted some good thoughts on this, and overall this is not a showstopper for me, all things considered…another commenter here who seems familiar with the subject noted some of the literature mentioned by the author was in fact used in the proper context…

    Also glad to see our gracious host Mr Unz taking to task some of the obvious ‘anti-conspiracy’ shills that have been infesting this website lately, without any prior history here…these critters are getting downright annoying…

    • Agree: JRB
  44. uradel666 says:

    1. There is no doubt that any war of modern management strictly adheres to and carefully follows, in cost and benefits, the Economic pattern (of World’s leading countries). If this is not the case, the severe economic and financial crisis is the logical consequence. A case in point is Ukraine occupied and annexed by Russia. As a result, Russia is up to its eyes in sanctions. Finance and economics go first, and then wars. There is nothing like top priority than finance and economics. No one can change this “contract”.

    2. “Coronavirus” theme is nothing more than financial and economic project, not the war issue. Nor, it is a “leak accident”. This is a dirigible project designed by Global Financial Sector to prevent the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression and/or to mitigate the grave domestic banking crisis forthcoming. To sustain a strong economy the bloated deficit should be reduced. “Coronavirus” theme is nothing more than financial and economic project of deflating these and other economic problems, not the health issue.

    3. In addition, this may be currently seen either as financial and economic type of prevention of war or warlike preparations themselves, not as war per se. This does not preclude the chance variations throughout the “crisis” of course.

    4. The persons of interest are the main holders (joint creditors) of US Government (T-)bonds (including the US itself) who straddled strategic amount of financial (“cash”) assets; it just so happened, that those are the Countries with high capital export national debt. Except China. China is the main debtholder with lowest external debt. That’s the deal of the Century! The USA has accepted the unfavorable conditions just to restrain its ambitions.

    The Tiger enters the international scene.

  45. Parfois1 says:
    @Stan

    The comments were not written by a native speaker of the English language judging from the grammar and syntax.

    I suppose your judgement is that of a linguistics expert in English who can tell a difference between grammar and syntax as two distinct components of a language. They are not, and you are not entitled to proffer judgements on the subject, let alone deciding who is a native speaker from style of writing, spelling and grammatical errors.

    Most proficient non-native speakers of English are scrupulous observers of formal grammatical rules while the “deviants” tend to be the native speakers, especially the recent generations who have not formally learned grammar and rely on colloquialisms, idioms and slang. For that reason, and the “casualness” of delivery (typical of a native speaker who does not often write formal English) my opinion is that he is most likely a native speaker.

    Does it matter anyway? Does the veracity of a person’s narrative depend on how formally correct is the language? – as is implied by the “correctness police” here who don’t know that syntax, being the word order in a sentence, is the structural part of grammar. Their message is: he’s not a native English speaker, makes grammatical errors and misspells, therefore he’s a liar and a Chink to boot.

    This inquisition is like “shooting the messenger” – they go for the style of the delivery and ignore the content!

    • Agree: FB
  46. You have to be a complete idiot to release a virus for which you have no effective countermeasures but this administration seems to be filled with complete idiots. So, expecting normal behavior from these people is futile.

    Yeah that’s a bridge too far. What’s the gain anyone was looking for? To wipe out all China? Why?

    And if our leaders wanted to humble China, there are many available methods, from regular military to all kinds of cyber warfare. We’re far more innovative than they are and in possession of advanced technology. A wild Hail Mary Pass wouldn’t be the go-to move.

  47. I have always been intrigued by the appearance of African Swine Fever virus in Georgia in 2007, 3 years after the cooperation agreement between US and Georgia in 2004 (“Cooperation in the field of prevention of the introduction of pathogenesis and experience related to biological weapons development”).
    Time has shown that this has been a near perfect strike to Russia and particularly China with Europe as collateral damage.

  48. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    The hysteria and panic we are now seeing is the result of 24/7 full spectrum propaganda barrage. The fear has been engineered and once started they turn around and report endlessly on the panic itself. They’ve done a marvelous job and can now step up invasive measures on a mass scale. All restaurants and bars closed by edict and public movement restricted. The public is being stampeded and the fear has made most people unable to think clearly and assess the actual danger. Now that this campaign has shown how well it can be done it’ll be available for future use.

  49. jackson says:

    The Chinese military submitted, twice, in 2015 and then in 2017, a coronavirus sequence that is 100% identical to the Wuhan virus to the public databases. Two isolates. They’re there for everyone to see.

    Why would they have had that sequence and have isolated that virus FIVE YEARS AGO?

    • Replies: @Woohoohan
  50. @Greg Burton

    If you read the Godfree Roberts comment above comparing the huge levels of killings of Americans by their rulers — he doesn’t even mention Waco! — and the deeply corrupt US legal system compared with the trusted Chinese system and their unarmed police, you must be a really mad fanatic to have written this bizarre nonsense.

    • Replies: @FB
  51. ivan says:
    @Ron Unz

    Old Microbiologist is if I am not mistaken a presence on the Moon of Alabama site. There too he strungs together plausible sounding explanations till he comes up against the rare real expert. If aa you say he is in his seventies then whence comes his claimed intimate knowledge about US soldier – athletes. As you probably know the Chicoms have been floating trial balloons about the virus being of US origin for a month or so. This is more of the same. Is there any rule that says only the US should be in possession of all five of the so-called strains ? The Chicoms have been banned from Indian Nagaland for their activities concerning bat corona viruses there. There is absolutely no reason why they cannot be in possession of the five strains supposedly necessary for this claimed bioweapon project.

  52. gotmituns says:

    Was Coronavirus a Biowarfare Attack Against China?
    —————————————————————
    doesn’t matter much now…

  53. Maat says:
    @Pheasant

    First of all, there is so much content here that, if the original poster were indeed a fraud, we should certainly wait to see if he is outed on the basis of substance. There are myriad, myriad threads a research sleuth could trace to help verify/dispute the poster’s authenticity.

    Second of all, let’s consider the spelling mistake you have latched onto. We see a final k sound being spelled as ‘ch’ in words like ‘stomach,’ and ‘monarch.’ But far more tellingly, we see this spelling in one of the most common German surnames: ‘Dietrich’ (Detrick is the English version of this surname). For a non-native English speaker, it could be very easy to make such a mistake, even considering his or her claim to have worked there. I know from experience how difficult it is for non-native speakers to break from certain habits relating to their native tongue. We can also take into account the possibility that the poster is quite old, as he or she does claim, as well as the possible time lapse since having worked there. What’s more, informality and even dyslexia might have played roles in this spelling mistake.

    Third of all, the post seems highly authentic in its depth and breadth. Consider too that an elaborate response was written by the original poster, apparently on the fly, to a follow-up question in a comment thread. This would truly be an amazing fakery were that the case.

    Of course, one should always maintain a good balance of skepticism and open-mindedness, but to over-emphasize the former based on a minor and easily explainable spelling error, well, it reminds me of a computer crashing and spitting out an error message after hitting one corrupt piece of code in an otherwise highly useful program. Do we just throw out the program? Do maintain your skepticism, but a better balance of open-mindedness will get you much further in the interest of truth.

    • Replies: @Sailor Gerry
  54. dimples says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Congressman Steven Schiff (whether he is related to the current congressional moron of the same surname I don’t know) was seriously pushing for investigation into the Roswell UFO incident when he died of a rapid acting cancer. Since Schiff was in a position of political power and wasn’t going to take no for an answer, probably it was the only way he was going to be stopped, was my thought at the time.

    From Wikipedia:
    Schiff died of squamous-cell carcinoma[7] during his fifth term in Congress in Albuquerque, New Mexico (1998)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1995/06/01/roswell-incident-revisits-air-force/78e8112e-6edb-4042-b5a7-30e0ae436755/

    https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/04/roswell-and-the-congressman-a-strange-saga/

  55. Kim says:
    @Pheasant

    I worked at BMI for twenty years in the 1960s and 1970s. That is why I know so much about computing.

  56. Kim says:
    @Ron Unz

    Silly and ridiculous. Coronavirus will not kill millions of Americans. Though the measures implemented to “fight” it might.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  57. @Ron Unz

    I wouldn’t be so sure that the 300 military people couldn’t be quite effectively monitored so that one or two engaging in a hostile act would stand out if only because those perpetrators had managed to slip surveillance. I say this based on the experience of a close friend who went to a film festival in the USSR where every delegate had his or her own interpreter. It is not beyond imagination that China would provide guide-companions for the 300 who could be young Chinese soldiers who had enough English to act as interpreters who were adequate. Also, there might well be a huge number of CCTV cameras covering almost the whole city. Mind you, I have no barrow to push, just a contradictarian© spirit.

  58. Realist says:
    @JimDandy

    Kinda funny that the aggressively-authoritarian dystopia that is China would be cool with having hundreds of US military personnel come hang out near their biolab.

    Yeah, maybe they are not as authoritarian or dystopian as you think.

    • Agree: Denis
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  59. Realist says:
    @Lot

    Bat soup is safe and China is free!

    Communist Party only Party China people want!

    Wise leader Xi ban Pooh Bear, too much honey bad example for one-child.

    Stupid comment as always.

    • Agree: annamaria
  60. Half Back says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have read ‘Old Micro’ many times at the Moon of Alabama and have found him to be very reliable.. Stay True Ron, I knew you would be (V)indicated! Evil People Populate. WE are all human and as Kennedy said “Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings.”

  61. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    Actually, thousands of foreign military officers were visiting Wuhan for the international Military Games, including 300 from the US.

    If this was a bioweapon released by the Us. The US would most certainly have a cure.

    Well, that would make perfect sense unless elements of the American national security establishment were criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent. However, they ARE criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent.

    Criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent enough to give the order for a bioweapon attack on China they may be. But this is not about whether such elements in the American national security establishment might be able to violate the chain of command and give such an order, it is whether such an order would be obeyed by military officers or members of the CIA, both of who take an oath.

    Some Catholic from Alabama or Utah Mormon is going to join up willing to go out in a blaze of glory if so ordered, because the prestige of the armed forces /CIA derives from their devotion to duty. Yet such a person on finding the domestic enemies of the constitution that he has sworn to defend are actually within the institution, flip flops and obey his superiors’ unlawful orders despite that violating everything he has believed up until that point. Not only that, he goes on a risky biowarfare mission to a totalitarian country, which if he survives will leave him knowing to much. This all seems a little off kilter in the Bayesian reasoning department.

    It is like some wealthy young medieval heir joining the Knights Templar donating his lands to them for the privilege of enduring poverty and chastity while fighting, suffering and dying for Christianity. Then on discovering that the organisation was really about devil worship, scorning the eucharistic host, and endless sodomy, deciding to go along with that and the likelihood of violent death.

    If 9/11 was Israel then the bioweapon attack on China was certainly Israel.

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @just watching
  62. Realist says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    I bet the Chinese don’t eat dogs, either.

    China = Best Place Ever!

    Some Chinese have repulsive culinary habits…but Godfree has some excellent points.

  63. @uradel666

    This is a dirigible project designed by Global Financial Sector to prevent the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression and/or to mitigate the grave domestic banking crisis forthcoming.

    Your entire post is based on ex post facto reasoning upon having witnessed the recent stock market response, as if though that self-destructive outcome had been the primary goal at the time the virus was released. Did you at least take advantage of this purported intent to increase your wealth by a factor of at least twenty by having placed the appropriate trades in advance?

    • Replies: @uradel666
  64. Ron Unz says:
    @Half Back

    I have read ‘Old Micro’ many times at the Moon of Alabama and have found him to be very reliable..

    That’s very helpful to know. I don’t read the MoA website, but if OldMicrobiologist has been a regular there, generally providing knowledgeable and credible perspectives in his purported field of expertise, that would tend to greatly reduce the likelihood that he’s a hoaxer and that his lengthy comments on The Saker website republished above should be discounted.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Twodees Partain
  65. Biff says:

    A new take from CounterPunch:

    The 1918 “Spanish” flu pandemic killed upwards of 50 million people worldwide. Of the half-million estimated deaths in the U.S., 92% were under 65, and a full half were between 20 and 40 years old.

    The best theory for this selective impact comes from a research group at the University of Arizona, who note that this cohort was exposed to a virus with related properties that circulated around 1900, when they were children that (instead of protecting them) primed their immune systems to respond to the later virus in an inappropriate and damaging fashion. Older people severely affected by COVID-19 also exhibit such immune hyper-reactivity, suggesting that they may have been primed by a pathogen exposure in the 1950s, before the less vulnerable population was born.

    So, while old people must strenuously avoid being infected regardless of their current health status, for everyone else, particularly young adults and children, a different policy should be in effect. Vaccination is the safest way to establish “herd immunity,” the condition in which the general population is largely resistant to an infection, and its members, even if they become infected, are therefore incapable of spreading it. Until there is a vaccine for COVID-19, however, the only route to herd immunity is for those who can be infected without getting sick, become so.

    That’s why closing schools, colleges, theaters, museums, etc. is a bad idea.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/16/why-covid-19-is-such-a-threat-to-the-60-plus-population-and-why-the-response-may-make-it-worse/

    • Replies: @utu
  66. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    FYI: When I mouse over the moniker “Half Back” in the comment above, it says “Little Recent Commenting History” — apparently this matters, except when it doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  67. annamaria says:

    As the OldMicrobiologist writes,

    The worst strains are always those recovered from humans who died from the disease and not field-collected strains. If this was perceived to be a useful agent from the likes of Bolton or Pompeo, who are terrible and evil people, then it is conceivable this was thought to teach the Chinese a lesson in economics. You have to be a complete idiot to release a virus for which you have no effective countermeasures but this administration seems to be filled with complete idiots. So, expecting normal behavior from these people is futile.

    Sounds right.

    Since the commanding positions in all areas in the US have been taken by self-promoting ignoramuses of managerial persuasion (see Boeing saga), the world should expect truly amazing things from the US. The Clinton-Bush-Obama’ era idiot-deciders (the moneyed and MIC) were too busy with making profits, and selling the interests of the US citizenry for sparkling trinkets, to realize that they were converting the country into a wasteland.

  68. @DKs

    …Bill Gates Foundation simulates a coronavirus pandemic that infects and kills 65 million worldwide, that starts in Brazil…

    In honor of such prescience perhaps instead of referring to this novel bio-weapon as the “Wuhan Coronavirus” we ought to just call it the deadly “Bill and Melinda Gates Virus”.

    Also, instead of visualizing it as pretty red, white and blue, as highlighted at the top, it ought to be regarded as being more ugly, as is suggested by the artistic rendering below, more like a spherical lump of fecal matter with exterior green sprouts, swimming amid smaller blobs of feces.

  69. “When you gonna’ wake up, and strengthen the things that remain” – Bob Dylan
    The “phony coronie” virus is just a cover for the damage in the human body that is being caused by 5G. Very little real damage is caused by this virus(if it even exist) and it will remain that way until mass vaccinations are rolled out. The vaccines and 5G will be the real killers. Wake up Sheeple.

  70. Ron Unz says:
    @eah

    FYI: When I mouse over the moniker “Half Back” in the comment above, it says “Little Recent Commenting History” — apparently this matters, except when it doesn’t.

    Just click on his Handle and you’ll get his full commenting-history, which stretches back over the last six months or so and seems perfectly reasonable. Thus, he’s not a one-off newcomer who popped up out of nowhere.

  71. @Delta G

    Would “Dumber than Dirt” also be a fitting description for an individual who doesn’t understand the differences between there, they’re and their? (I looked at your comment history).

    You seem to have fiercely attacked several different article on this site yet have offered precious little of substance to refute anything that you have criticised. Can we look forward to more of the same from you in future? Nobody is forcing you to read these articles so why put yourself through it if it upsets you so much?

  72. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    CIA’s busted again, so frozen Hitler embryo Sean’s here with Today’s CIA Big Lie. In government-issue comment 63. Note the standard preconceptions, which he tries to slip by you amid words, words, words.

    (1) Bad apples. That’s the 2nd or 3rd line of defense when CIA crime comes out. The subliminal message he wants you to absorb without thinking is that the institution itself is not criminal. Something sonething, The oath, something something. The oath means shit. CIA is chartered with impunity in municipal law. That open source documented fact institutionalizes CIA’s criminal conduct. CIA has developed an intricate cult to rationalize universal jurisdiction crime.

    (2) The observed criminality is ill-advised, risky, stupid. That doesn’t matter when you know you can get away with it. CIA can kill you and torture you and get away with it. They keep two sets of books so you can’t defund their murder and torture. Blah blah sworn blah blah. When heel-clicking Nazis want you to stop thinking and make the patriotic face, they say hero. When mafia wops want you to torture a judge to death they say honor. When Jew supremacists want you to mutilate an unarmed protestor, they say holocaust. Sean says sworn. These magic words are very characteristic of CIA wannabes. The cult members don’t understand that their magic don’t work on non-brainwashed educated people.

    You can tell Sean’s a CIA asskisser because he cannot address the implications of CIA’s institutional impunity. At the thought, his CIA brainwashing renders him mute. He’s not plugged in enough to know what he’s doing, he’s just selectively retarded.

    Impunity. The Red Army’s gonna make you suck on it. The liberated peoples of America will cheer them on.

    • Agree: Parfois1
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Anonymous
  73. lewrockwell.com “Panic will end , but tyranny will not ” by Gary D. Barnett
    It’s an engineered , fake pandemic with the complicity of authoritarian governments and a massmedia which is publishing “fear porn”. The public is understandably frightened and are going to accept any solutions offered by the sociopaths who control our pathocracies.

  74. What people best be “ascared” of: Top Merck scientist openly admits adding cancer, HIV, leukemia to vaccines
    http://vaccinecommonsense.com/2017/10/30/top-merck-scientist-openly-admits-adding-cancer-hiv-leukemia-to-vaccines/

  75. @Ron Unz

    While the author may know his “science”, he may not know other critical issues involving geopolitics to make blanket statements regarding the “idiots” in the administration. Like detective Friday used to say, “just the facts, please”!

  76. utu says:
    @Biff

    “…those who can be infected without getting sick, become so..” – The priming is too speculative. What if the ones who got infected now got primed in negative way for something much worse coming down the road in 20 years? Some Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews in particular have some immunity to HIV. It was speculated that they were ‘primed’ in positive way by the Black Death. This brought further speculations about Jews and the Black Death that was much less welcomed.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  77. Sink says:

    Was Coronavirus a Biowarfare Attack Against The Elderly?

  78. Everyone needs to get “red-pilled “and “woke “before it’s too late!

  79. utu says:
    @Half Back

    Thanks. I looked him up the Moon of Alabama and he seems to be in the same persona before Wuhan as at The Saker after Wuhan which strongly suggests he is genuine.

  80. One last post here, hoping people will wake..
    CORONAVIRUS HOAX: Fake Virus Pandemic Fabricated to Cover-Up Global Outbreak of 5G Syndrome
    http://themillenniumreport.com/2020/03/coronavirus-hoax-fake-virus-pandemic-fabricated-to-cover-up-global-outbreak-of-5g-syndrome/

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
  81. Sean says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    This is a little known problem with civil service employees. They are impossible to eliminate and generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage. However, an opportunity arose whereby agencies in the Federal government had to contribute bodies to the new Department of Homeland Security (as no new vacancies were created when the agency was stood up meaning everyone had to sacrifice personnel) so most, if not all, employees sent to DHS were the worst of the worst. However, the DHS labs (specifically NBACC) also tied into some nefarious microbiologists working at the CIA (ostensibly part of DHS) and it is an understatement to say that what I saw being proposed horrified me.

    So they are incompetent, except the ones at the CIA who are evil and thus capable. Malevolence confers ability to do things, but our informant, OLDMICROBIOLOGIST, the good scientists who is a self styled one man biowarfare department cannot leave government service and start up his own companies making medicines, vaccines or biowarfare countermeasures. Or skincare products. One wonders what these ‘nefarious’ civil service scientist earn, or maybe their evil genius only comes through to expression when they are making state of the art bioweapons rather than beauty creams. The team of scientists that isolated the Italian strain of the coronavirus are temporary workers who earn 1,200 euros a month or less. But they have not been told about the power of the dark side of the Force (working for war, plague, famine and death, pay is standard civil service rate).

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
  82. OMG! This guy is a fraud! To start, CIA is NOT part of DHS. Second, CIA is NOT involved in biowarfare research or operations. As for “incompetents”, CIA reaches out to the top experts in the world for expertise in such areas – they base CIA reporting on their input, not on GS-14 staff types. Idiots who know nothing about CIA always repeat this crap. I remember some ex-miltary guy (I am a veteran, by the way) claiming that CIA paramilitary officers were “amateurs”. Really? Every last one is a former SEAL, Delta Force, SF or Marine, and the best of the best. This article is garbage. CIA studies and reports on this but that is it.

    • LOL: FB
  83. anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

    Some of CIA’s germ-warfare OPSEC is pretty clever. Only, we’ve seen it before so many times that no one falls for it anymore.

    When CIA installs its spokesmodels on the bullshit official commission report, they will of course dictate lots of tut tut and tsk tsk for an implausible multitude of inexcusable fuckups. You will note that every officially recognized fuckup has one thing in common: it obscures attribution of internationally wrongful acts.

    Take the debacle at O’Hare. DHS Nazis corral stampeding expats shoulder-to-shoulder for hours in a perfect incubator of the plague. Note what this accomplishes.

    It reinforces CIA’s propaganda message that COVID-19 is a threat from without. Travelers are bringing it home.

    Bullshit. COVID-19 started in the USA. The US strain’s genetic diversity proves it. CIA mad scientists are busted and the whole world knows it.

    But even as DHS imposes forcible social concentration that exacerbates the pandemic, contagion from a worldwide variety of strains affords a spurious explanation for the US plague’s genetic diversity. Look, all those people came back from abroad in a big germ melting pot – that’s why US strains are so diverse!

    Bullshit. COVID-19 was introduced in the USA a year ago. It mutated and gained virulence under state secrecy (ask Helen Chu; ask the HHS guys in the SCIF; dig up those dead vapers.) It was subsequently introduced in various countries in an historically unique act of aggression in breach of the 1925 Geneva Convention. By CIA.

    When we hang those Langley fuckers for this crime, their O’Hare op will be a count.

  84. “Following the money” mindset says no way the US did an attack. Both the beloved stock market and corporations need China. Plus I am convinced this trade war with China is about getting prime American farm real estate on the cheap. Also about getting a lot of Chinese patents for Ivanka.

    What about some devoted eugenicist like Bill Gates? Maybe after his mysterious and sudden board resignations. What about Jeffrey Epstein’s interest in transhumanism stuff? He did have ties to both Gates and MIT with respect to that issue, and he was alleged to be Mossad. The virus will be a good beginning in culling out the herd.

    Or how about an accident done by the folks aspiring to redo a dynasty? Of course not because the Chinese are the Chinese. Most perfect people on the planet except for those that packed supplies needed to assemble that bamboo plant stand I bought last December. Thank the gods for my Yankee ingenuity, and I didn’t even have to use my standby baler twine. Oops… proof the USA is in back of the virus. Plus our toilet paper stocks are going thru the roof. You guys know we are a shell of a country we use to be? How many pre 1967 Americans even work at those labs? Bet the answer is a big zero.

  85. ivan says:
    @Half Back

    There is nothing reliable about the fellow. He had a soap box when Novichok and the Skripals were in the news. One of those bluffers who plague the bars, pretending to “be in the know” on account of the general ignorance of his listeners.

    All through that time the nuts supporting Putin came up will all kinds of excuses, that it was released from Porton Down, that the chemical forces of the UK had an exercise in Salisbury before that etc, etc.. I too wanted to believe that holy Putin would not order such a hit. But when the British released the tapes of the two perps from Moscow landing at Heathrow, staying overnight in a seedy London hotel, heading straight to Salisbury, and returning back to Moscow in a day, the jig was up. Who from Moscow goes to Salisbury, it is not the druid dancing season at Stonehenge. Afficianodos of old cathedrals? The British got the Russians by the balls and yet Lavrov and co tried to brazen it out. After that my estimation of the Kremlin clowns fell a tad. But neither the commie running Moon of Alabama or Craig Murray think they have to change any of their storyline.

    • Disagree: utu
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Half Back
    , @Pixie
  86. Surtr says:

    First of all the spelling is important as being in the military, the military literally puts your own name tag, branch of military, and a patch so the soldier can remember what unit s/he is in. The military especially in units such as the one this person is referring to is highly bureaucratic meaning they love to fill out paperwork and forms. So the idea that the location of service is not everywhere on the paperwork this person is filling out seems far fetched.
    Secondly, did any of you conspiracy theorists get any statistical information on just how many people in the military and civil service actually remain in the service for 40 years? This article,
    Only one in five people take up this incredibly generous pension to retire at 40
    https://qz.com/929153/only-one-in-five-people-take-up-this-incredibly-generous-pension-to-retire-at-40/
    says one in five. How many of those are officers and how many are enlisted? This means that this person represents a very small population. This is truly amazing since if you assume 4 years to get the degree to get the position puts him at around 22. This means that he must have been quite an exceptional student to get such a great position right out of college. And yet we have these spelling mistakes in field that requires not only a great deal of education, but constantly learning and studying as he specifically says he is doing in the article by developing novel aerosols and such. On top of all of this, do we really believe that such a talented and educated individual would not get lucrative private contracts luring him away from civil service. Most do 20 years then take a 2nd career in private sector because it is more lucrative. So if this person is as intelligent as he says he is, then why did no one lure him into the private sector? If Ron Unz is correct that we are so incompetent and poorly educated, then why would this remarkable individual not be targeted for greater financial rewards in the private sector? Maybe it is that *HE* is the incompetent and poorly educated employee who can’t attract or gain the attention of the private sector to scout him out making me doubt this article the more I think of it.

    ~Surtr

    • Agree: SBaker
  87. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    When the death toll ends up being orders of magnitude less than 1.7 million, Ron, I hope you write a full article about this false panic.

    The problem with the “came from USA (but not bioweapon)” theory is that, if we have had this thing brewing for months/years, how have we not had pandemic? The existing explanation is that it was diagnosed as flu. But then, how can that be, given that people with the flu are almost always tested in the USA? That should show up on tests; the flu is an entirely different type of virus. Furthermore, we should have seen a particularly bad flu season this winter, if we had this pandemic on top of ordinary flus.

    There is no evidence for the bio weapon hypothesis, other than anti-American sentiment (and anti Bolton-Pompeo sentiment) driving people to assume. What is the point of endless speculation? This article proves nothing, there is almost no useful information.

    Let’s let the scientists handle this. That is what all of the smart and sane people do.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Ron Unz
  88. vot tak says:

    “Rumor is that the US participants at CISM were atrocious which is very atypical so one wonders who these “athletes” were.”

    I read recently that the u.s. military performance at the recent games was as bad as was their performance at the previous 2 games. So the u.s. poor rankings there are not unusual, but instead quite consistent with past performances.

  89. In my opinion coronavirus was created by the CIA and the Mossad and MI6 as a bioweapon against China and Russia and Iran and the people of America.

    The best way to install draconian controls on a country is to install fear and terror via a contrived threat, aka the Israeli and ZUS attack on the WTC and since they saw how that worked on the people, they decided to release the coronavirus to give the final demolition of what little freedom we had left!

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  90. Tor597 says:

    Excellent video below that summarizes many of the points that have been discussed at Unz. But also some new bits of info.

    1) At the Wuhan Wargames 5 foreign athletes were hospitalized. It does not confirm they were American but you would think this is a high possibility.

    2) Other sources confirm early infection date in November 2019 which would suggest a foreign source of the infection. Daniel Lucey of Georgetown University confirmed this in Science Magazine and Lancet magazine suggests this as well.

    3) Suggests that Italy got infected from the Iran strain, not the Chinese one. And that both countries death rates are so high because Italians and Persians share a lot of genetics.

    4) Report from Iraqi doctor that treated positive Corona Virus cases. He linked them back to baseball caps from the state department. These caps had a plastic piece that tested positive for Corona Virus.

    That might explain how the infection got to Qom. They may have used a similar mechanism.

    5) White housen held meetings in the skiff room which is an impenetrable room to surveillance. This room was created to be used in the event of a bioattack.

    6) 20,000 troops sent to Europe. Which is the largest surge in 25 years. What is the purpose? Will these troops invade Iran?

  91. Emslander says:

    It more likely came from animal researchers trying to develop a vaccine for use in farm stock, where coronavirus has always existed.

    The agri-biologists thought they’d developed something beneficial and tested it on real farms, where it jumped to humans and, for the first time, went human to human.

    It’s pretty stupid as weapon against an enemy. It sits dormant long enough that it can run around the world undetected and come back to bite your ass.

  92. Tor597 says:
    @DKs

    This is a pretty damning narrative.

  93. Agent76 says:

    March 12, 2020 Top Biologist: Corona Virus Is ‘One Of Biggest Frauds In History’

    MIT biologist and the man who claims to have invented email, Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, does research almost every day into the immune system. He says the fear-mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest frauds to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push MANDATED Medicine!”

    https://principia-scientific.org/top-biologist-corona-virus-is-one-of-biggest-frauds-in-history/

    Feb 22, 2020 US Biowarfare Act Author: Studies Confirm Coronavirus Weaponized!

    Professor Boyle also discloses where he believes the true origin of the virus originated and the extent that the US government was involved.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  94. Hans says:
    @Pheasant

    Yes. Just came across this but it looks very good: Rockefeller Foundation: Hardly a Gentile White to be Found – http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=203962

    Wouldn’t You Know it, the Rockefeller Foundation Ran a Coronavirus Simulation

    The coronavirus epidemic playing out in China and two dozen other countries, including the US, is unfolding in line with a decade-old simulation titled “Lock Step” devised by the Rockefeller Foundation in conjunction with the Global Business Network. The scenario, from a publication called “Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development” in 2010, describes a coronavirus-like pandemic that becomes the trigger for the imposition of police-state controls on movement, economy, and other areas of society.

    The Lock Step scenario describes “a world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership.”

    “A few countries did fare better – China in particular. The Chinese government’s quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing-off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery.”

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=203962

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Thanks: Pheasant
  95. anon[288] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The bots come out of the woodwork when you hit a nerve, so this acute infestation is very encouraging. Their routine is invariant: pick one or more minute details and snipe at it with some mix of unsupported assertion, bad inductive logic or derision to divert attention from the accumulating mass of evidence.

    So what set them off? Langley is exquisitely sensitive about DHS complicity. One of the bots went so far as to rebut that very point, with obtuse org-chart logic. DHS does what the Bureau of Narcotics used to do for CIA: wholesale domestic corruption and crime organized by dotted-line reports. DHS, along with state fusion centers, are integral parts of CIA’s domestic Phoenix program.

  96. Agent76 says:

    Who knew these alphabet agency heads made so much money with platinum retirement benefits?

    February 19, 2020 Former CDC Director’s Net Worth Estimated at $13.5 Million

    Following the transaction, which was completed on Jan. 13, 2020, Dr. Gerberding still owns 106,099 shares of Merck stock worth about $9.478 million.

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/02/former-cdc-directors-net-worth-estimated-at-13-5-million/

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  97. GeeBee says:
    @anon

    Who are ‘Bob and Becky’? (forgive my ignorance – I’m English!)

  98. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    I heard that the name of the dog breed Chow Chow means in Chinese “Yummy Yummy”; in support of this idea, the best evidence that I could find on the net is…not much:

    https://www.quora.com/Was-the-dog-chow-eaten-in-ancient-China?share=1

    • Replies: @George F. Held
  99. Biff says:
    @Anon

    Let’s let the scientists handle this.

    They already did..

  100. All reasonable, with none of the earmarks of traditional conspiracy theories. My only question is whether Bolton and Pompeo are stupid enough not to realize that the virus would end up in the US, where it is wreaking hell. They are certainly morally capable of it, as is the CIA. ??

  101. 26.DKs says:

    “. . . .”; “. . .”; “. . .”

    Your research and presentation are impeccable. What a pleasure to read documented commentary by an intelligent person. Please return soon.

    I may have occasion to refer to your post. Unfortunately, the attribution will be made to 26.DKs. 🙂

  102. To all the Grammar Nazis,
    spelling errors / typos are not a sign of illegitimacy; anyone who follows Michael Hudson will be familiar with the corkers in his essays (some of them pretty bad, eg omitting a negative) yet I can’t think of anyone more respected in their field than him.

    Would they really need the military to spread this thing? Surely a “diplomat” with a diplomatic bag and a host of proxies would have a far greater range of opportunities.

    I too wondered why Venezuela & Cuba hadn’t been hit bad (… Yet). I suppose the administration envisaged hordes of refugees swarming north, scoring an own goal wall or no wall. So the backyard is offlimits for these sort of shenanigans.
    But then again, it seems that this bug (5 mutations & counting) all probably originated in the USA where presenting to hospital will cost hundreds or thousands, so has escaped detection for months.

    Gut feeling, and a mass of circumstantial evidence is all we have to go on whether the Toilet Paper Fever is engineered or not.
    Just like umm.. Just about everything the empire had messed with these past decades..

    My own feel is that the idiots in charge don’t give a shit about the 99.99% and if something happens to turn out wrong well they will just have their mouthpieces tell us it was the axis of evil that done it.

  103. nsa says:

    Colonavilus velly velly not good. Intellupt gay plide palades all over Amelika. Chalmin all gone from stoles so Amelikans wipe butt with left hand like camel liding alabs. Velly velly not good….and velly stinky. Tlump need to open Stlategic Toilet Papel Leserve.

  104. @George F. Held

    Upon further consideration:
    The Chow-Chow (sometimes simply Chow[1]:7–8) is a dog breed originally from northern China,[3] where it is referred to as Songshi-Quan (Pinyin: sōng-shī quǎn 鬆獅犬), which means “puffy-lion dog”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chow_Chow
    But from this same source: “One author states that the Chow-Chow was also bred for human consumption.[5]” That author is:
    Calvin W. Schwabe (1979). Unmentionable Cuisine. University of Virginia Press. p. 168. ISBN 978-0-8139-1162-5.

  105. SBaker says:

    The old microbiologist without a name? The myriad of misspellings in his screed from a spy novel suggests he is most likely a Chinese national. My gosh, the man/woman claims to have worked at Ft Detrick but can’t even spell it correctly. Opinion, speculation, and anonymous sources, are not facts or evidence. One simple question from Mr. Hatfield Wang: who oversaw the destruction of the US bioweapons cache?

  106. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    How many times have we told you to be more subtle? If you don’t learn to cover yourself better soon we will be forced to retire your handle and find someone else.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  107. lysias says:
    @Ron Unz

    Who says the globalist elite objects to the deaths of millions in the West? Great way to minimize government social spending.

  108. lysias says:
    @Anon

    Your arguments depend on the dubious assumption that Trump controls the Deep State.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  109. @Delta G

    If you don’t want to read imbeciles you should be reading the Main Stream Media. They are the experts.

  110. lysias says:
    @Chinaman

    What we have in the West is not democracy. It is plutocracy disguised by democratic trappings.

  111. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:

    Why GeeBee, it’s Bob Gates and his wifey, the Adolph and Eva of WWIII! Gates orchestrated the BWC-illegal germ warfare from his sinecure at the University of Texas, farming it out to, inter alia, U. of Arizona, MIT, Harvard, and crucially, Baric’s SARS gain-of-function work at UNC.

  112. For any of us non-experts who may think that this is natural seasonal influenza it is worth looking up info on the cdc site:

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-selection.htm

    and links in the left sidebar.

    The most prominent difference I could identify between flu and covid-19 is (if the age distribution graph we have been shown is correct):

    Although all children younger than 5 years old are considered at high risk for serious flu complications, the highest risk is for those younger than 2 years old, with the highest hospitalization and death rates among infants younger than 6 months old.

    Also interesting, regarding vaccines:

    Flu viruses are constantly changing, so the vaccine composition is reviewed each year and updated ….

    I suppose there could be that remote possibility that a new variant, which wasn’t predicted, could appear, against which the vaccine would not offer protection.

    I wish someone more knowledgeable would comment on the possibility which a few commenters have raised, that this could be the seasonal flu, albeit a more virulent evolved strain.

  113. Richard B says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Let me guess, this person learned to write at the same place as Christopher Steele.

    They might as well have signed this document

    Chinese Mole Deep State Shill

    In any event, we now have proof that Chinese employees of the US government don’t need to pass their English exam. That’d be, well, you know.

  114. SBaker says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Agree, the BS artist from China most likely, claims to have worked at Ft Detrick for years and yet can’t even spell it. Worse yet, are all the muslims and leftists here making up elaborate explanations of why this lying foreign agent misspelled a simple 7 letter word. If I thought it useful I could ask this phony several questions and he could make up a series of phony remarks and 50% of the posters here would support him.

  115. @Pheasant

    This is a little known problem with civil service employees. They are impossible to eliminate and generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage.

    It started here for me. It is never “impossible to eliminate” providing it has been demonstrated that the person: has demonstrated deficiencies, including failure to follow established procedures; has been warned of the specific deficiencies and instructed on how to correct them; that the deficiencies are his/hers and not done by others who are not warned; and has been given a reasonable opportunity to correct the deficiencies. The exceptions to the above would be theft, breach of trust, or violence in the workplace. In short, what any employer, whether public or private, would be required to demonstrate just cause for dismissal.
    The Peter Principle is applicable in both private and public entities when it comes to promotions. There is an old union saw about management – they hire what they see in the mirror.

    He then goes on to

    I got tired of doing a new dog and pony show each time I was assigned a new manager who usually was some very young recent PhD graduate with no experience at all. Often they were nebutistic appointments and daddy was a Congressman or Under Secretary.

    I am unable to find a definition of “nebutistic” in any dictionary. The word that fits for this context is “nepotistic”.
    Aside from the obvious grammatical error, the latter statement demonstrates his previous statement “generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage” to not be about civil servants at all. He acknowledges the corruption of the civil service is driven by external forces.

    I dealt with PhD microbiologists, chemists, psychologists, and have been acquainted with several from other fields. Generally speaking, the one thing they seem to have in common, is that they believe they know more about something than those who do not have PhDs, even if it is outside their field of expertise. It is a type of arrogance, which is also common in many physicians. Over time, some soften, but those promoted get worse, and can create “the most damage”. The ones that do are more likely than not to have “connections”.

    I am not in a position to comment on the technical accuracy of his post, but the obvious grammatical errors and demonstrable lack of continuity of thought in the non-technical areas, certainly cast doubt on its validity.

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @Eagle Eye
  116. Woohoohan says:
    @jackson

    Genome accession numbers of these sequences in the databases, please?

    • Replies: @jackson
  117. @bigmonkey

    That was the one for which the Chinese government lodged a complaint against the improper transport of biological material, when they found it on arrival.

  118. 92.Tor597 says:

    March 16, 2020 at 2:02 pm GMT • 200 Words

    Excellent video below that summarizes many of the points that have been discussed at Unz. But also some new bits of info.

    Please can you provide a link for that video? Thank you.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  119. FB says: • Website
    @DKs

    You’ve pulled together a lot of useful information there, complete with links…a very auspicious start for your first post here…thanks…

    I’ve started on the Nature journal article [which is available free full text at your link] and will be going through your other article links as well…

    To the multitude of various shills and boneheads, also new here, who have popped up with all kinds of poo here…I recommend you follow this poster’s format…BACK UP YOUR BS WITH ARTICLES, NOT HOT AIR…

    • Agree: Morton's toes
  120. Geeez.

    Almost all the comments are worthless attempts at character assassination, instead of talking about his points.

    As the popularity of this site grows, the flood of trolls is the huge problem.

  121. Ron Unz says:
    @Anon

    When the death toll ends up being orders of magnitude less than 1.7 million, Ron, I hope you write a full article about this false panic.

    Well, what do I know?….

    The official estimate by our government CDC is maybe something like 200 million infected Americans, and the British and German governments expect 60-70% of their own populations getting infected, which is pretty consistent with that.

    If 200 million Americans get infected, I’m pretty sure that 1.7 million deaths will be a pretty conservative estimate since our entire health care system will collapse. Right now, deaths are currently increasing exponentially in Italy, and it’s not obvious to me why that wouldn’t happen here as well.

    Maybe you and similarly-minded individual can explain to me why Italy would be currently having such a huge problem but we won’t…

  122. Ron Unz says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    My only question is whether Bolton and Pompeo are stupid enough not to realize that the virus would end up in the US, where it is wreaking hell.

    Well, let’s temporarily leave aside the whole bioweapon issue…

    The entire American national security leadership, including Bolton and Pompeo, totally ignored the viral outbreak in China, even after it began to spread to various other countries, and for two months didn’t take any serious steps to prevent it from hitting the US. As a direct consequence, the official US CDC estimates are now that that millions of Americans may die from Coronavirus and our entire health care system will collapse.

    Offhand, that seems like a pretty “stupid” thing to do. So now apply that result to your original question…

  123. @Kim

    That’s my view as well. The fearmongering being conducted by the news media is harmful enough by itself.

  124. @Half Back

    How have you “found him to be reliable”? Has anything he posted turned out to be correct?

  125. Ron Unz says:

    Reasonable people have suggested that if the Coronavirus was a bioweapon deployed by elements of the American national security apparatus against China (and Iran), it’s difficult to imagine why the they didn’t assume it would naturally leak back in the US and start a huge pandemic here, as is currently happening.

    The most obvious answer is that they were stupid and incompetent, but here’s another point to consider…

    In late 2002 there was the outbreak of SARS in China, a related virus but that was far more deadly and somewhat different in other characteristics. The virus killed hundreds of Chinese and spread into a few other countries before it was controlled and stamped out. The impact on the US and Europe was negligible, with just a small scattering of cases and only a death or two.

    So if American biowarfare analysts were considering a Coronavirus attack against China, isn’t it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we’d similarly remain insulated from the Coronavirus? Obviously, such an analysis was foolish and mistaken, but would it have seemed so implausible at the time?

    • Agree: Eagle Eye, Miro23
  126. @Pheasant

    Au contraire, a fake would be very sure to get such details right, whereas “the real thing” could be dyslexic.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  127. FB says: • Website
    @RichardTaylor

    We’re far more innovative than [China] and in possession of advanced technology.

    Sure bonehead…the US is so ‘advanced’ and ‘innovative’ that they have to buy rocket engines from Russia to even launch their spy sats into orbit…and buy rides on Russian spacecraft for the last decade…

    You don’t actually know diddly about science and technology, yet somehow feel you can make sweeping comments on the subject…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  128. @Ron Unz

    So, did you post this article? It’s credited to ” OldMicrobiologist” but the preface reads as though it was imported and posted here by someone other than that commenter at MOA and The Saker.

  129. Tony Hall says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    @Been_there_done_that

    Recent release of info from China indicates that the closest the authorities have got to patient one came to light on November 17. So the timing issue has changed.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  130. If I want to read something put out by the Chinese government I’ll read Asia Times or some other paper they run. Let’s see this virus starts 200 yards from a level 4 Chinese Bio lab. The obvious is that “opps…..some numbskull was careless”. The stupid argument is the Americans, “hey man, lets risk WW3 and put a virus that can’t be controlled in China. It will really fuck them up and no way will it blow back into the U.S and fuck us up” So we get a title “oldmicrobiologist” that uses a whole lot of fancy words that are probably written by at team of Chinese biologists working for Chinese spooks to get people to buy this nonsense. Fuck you Chinks. America does a lot of stupid shit and we get caught sometimes. We don’t try to pass the buck in your Chinese direction. I like the Chinese people but assholes that are trying to blame the U.S. for their Chink fuckup are fucking Chink spooks. This just shows there are assholes in every government. Welcome to the Chink assholes. Fuck you people. You fucked up now own your fuck up. “Oldmicrobiologist” my ass. FUCK YOU !!!

  131. It’s Fort Detrick. Not Detrich.

    You’d think someone who worked at Fort Detrick would know how to spell it.

    If in fact you worked at “Fort Detrich” maybe this entire article is just made up.

    • Replies: @Nils
  132. FB says: • Website
    @Nonny Mouse

    If you read the Godfree Roberts comment above comparing the huge levels of killings of Americans by their rulers — he doesn’t even mention Waco! — and the deeply corrupt US legal system compared with the trusted Chinese system and their unarmed police, you must be a really mad fanatic to have written this bizarre nonsense.

    This website is chock full of these Pavlovian ignoramuses…these are people of incredibly low intelligence, poor education, and low social status…and irreversibly indoctrinated by the Koolaid that is mainlined into the skulls of the unwashed masses by the plutocrats that seek to perpetuate their reign as the ‘masters of mankind’ as Adam Smith described the ruling elite way back in the 18’th century…[see Wealth of Nations]…

  133. George says:

    Why not a bio warfare attack on Italy? France and Spain seem a week behind Italy, Germany 2 weeks. The only place that’s safe … West Virginia.

    • Replies: @JRB
  134. @Godfree Roberts

    Good points, but you need to add the multitude of Social Engineering the Left does, such as inviting Trannies into elementary schools to read to childen, etc.

    The USA seems to have all the bad characteristics of Lefties and Righties. Just a nation of Extremes. USA will not last much longer.

    Plus, how can anyone trust our Government, especially after what they pulled on 9/11/01?

    I still would not laud the Chinese. They didn’t seem too worried about the appx 30 million that died in Mao’s Great Leap forward….Plus, the Globalists (aka internationalists…or better yet, communists) still Laud China and Asia: see klaus Schwab, Evelyn de Rothschild, etc (including the “weatherman”)

  135. @Carlton Meyer

    Has the U.S. done fucked up shit. Sure.

    What is more likely here?

    #1 Some Chinese scientist was careless and accidentally let this virus out of their lab OR:
    #2 the American military said “hey let’s risk WW3 and plant a virus the Chinese can’t control right next to their level 4 bio lab. No, way will that virus blow back into the rest of the world and the U.S.”

    Only an television show would have scenario #2 as a possibility. Right after the aliens conquer the earth show. If Chink spooks want to fool people with the name “oldmicrobiologist” that on them. I say Fuck them. They fucked up. They can own their fuck up. Chinese people are wonderful people. Chinese spooks that spread fake news are FUCKING CHINKS.

  136. lysias says:

    If one or more of the 300 U.S. servicepeople in Wuhan had been asymptomatic carriers of the virus, how could the Chinese have detected it?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  137. Bob says:

    Whether USA did it to China or China did it to the world, if the coronavirus is a bioweapon at this point it no longer matters who did it. We are on the brink of WW3.

    The public will never know what happened and neither government can possibly know what the other will do next. If it’s a bioweapon, whether it was released accidentally or deliberately, we are on the brink of war.

    An important secondary sign is also not good. If the virus evolved naturally, we would know that with certainty by now. It would be a major part of the news. Instead, a definitive genetic or chemical analysis of the virus has not been officially presented.

  138. Are they really Americans? Methinks not.

    Meet Charles Lieber, the new Julius Rosenberg… sans Ethel.

    Acclaimed Harvard Scientist Is Arrested, Accused Of Lying About Ties To China

    Charles Lieber, the chair of Harvard University’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, has been arrested and criminally charged with making “false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” to the U.S. Defense Department about his ties to a Chinese government program to recruit foreign scientists and researchers.

    The Justice Department says Lieber, 60, lied about his contact with the Chinese program known as the Thousand Talents Plan, which the U.S. has previously flagged as a serious intelligence concern. He also is accused of lying about about a lucrative contract he signed with China’s Wuhan University of Technology.

    In an affidavit unsealed Tuesday, FBI Special Agent Robert Plumb said Lieber, who led a Harvard research group focusing on nanoscience, had established a research lab at the Wuhan university — apparently unbeknownst to Harvard.

    Source: npr

  139. FB says: • Website
    @ivan

    You’re insane…

    …when the British released the tapes of the two perps from Moscow landing at Heathrow, staying overnight in a seedy London hotel, heading straight to Salisbury, and returning back to Moscow in a day, the jig was up.

    And you know what exactly about how the spy game actually works, bozo…?

    Skripal was a spy who turned coat…and there are credible reports that, leading up to the obviously fake ‘poisoning’ he was sending out feelers about returning to Russia, where all his family, including his daughter, were residing…

    How difficult would it be for the British to come up with the idea of luring the Russians into a trap…?

    Those two keystone cops were much more plausibly in Salisbury to meet and negotiate, or even simply to sniff the situation out, than the completely ludicrous idea of smearing a deadly nerve agent on a fucking door handle…

    That is just kindergarten level stupidity…if these kinds of guys want to kill someone they could do it with nothing more than a paper bag and leave zero trace, or even a cause of death other than anything but natural causes…instead they go and leave a ‘perfume bottle’ of the world’s deadliest poison lying about, where half a year later it is found by street people…who promptly die…?

    Yeah right…

    And btw…if you had even two brain cells to rub together, you would have noticed some interesting facts…the initial diagnosis on the Skripals was opiate overdose, NOT poisoning by nerve agent…

    How would the emergency doctors at a sleepy little rural hamlet know about nerve agents…?

    Because they are trained quite rigorously to diagnose organophosphate poisoning… which is the key ingerdient in agricultural insecticides and happens to be the exact same chemistry as nerve agents…and is furthermore the leading cause of poisoning in rural areas the world over…

    The symptoms of opiate overdose and organophosphate poisoning are so very different that it is inconceivable that a competent emergency physician would make such a blunder…

    Yet we are asked to believe exactly that…it was not until the helpful ‘experts’ from Porton Down came on the scene, many hours later, that the diagnosis was changed…and the Skripals and hospital locked down in a shroud of secrecy that has swallowed the Skripals for two fucking years now…

    Obviously you are way to dumb to process any of this…but I am pointing it out for folks of normal intelligence here…

    • Replies: @John Chuckman
    , @ivan
    , @I M
  140. @Ron Unz

    So if American biowarfare analysts were considering a Coronavirus attack against China, isn’t it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we’d similarly remain insulated from the Coronavirus? Obviously, such an analysis was foolish and mistaken, but would it have seemed so implausible at the time?

    This seems implausible as they must have been aware of how much more globalised the world has become since then and would most certainly be aware of the fact that air travel has increased a lot. I cannot find statistics on China but since air travel has gone up between

    2002: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR?end=2002&start=2002&view=bar
    and
    2018: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR?end=2018&start=2018&view=bar

    It would be reasonable to infer that the air traffic between China and the West has also greatly increased, in fact since many Africans still do not fly at all, the increase in air traffic is likely to have come mostly from China as they have made great strides in uplfiting the population and developing a big middle class, a class that often flies.

    The bioweapon attackers would also have been aware of the large number of Chinese students in the West. In your other comments, you have noted the very timely nature of this outbreak, a time where the ‘Great Migration’ is going on within China, but there is another coincidence, many Chinese students were returning home for break in December and would return to their Western universities in Janurary, bringing back the virus with them.

    With all due, respect, your reasoning for this being a bioweapon has many flaws in it, flaws which you attempt to cover up by saying ‘the bioweapon attackers were stupid’. There is no way the would-be attackers would have simply shrugged off the incredibly high likelehood of blowback, a probability approaching 1 in todays highly-globalised world.

    • Agree: SBaker
  141. Truth3 says:

    When the American public finds out that…

    … 9/11 was an Israeli & Jew job

    … Coronavirus SARS and Ebola were US DOD bio-weapons conceived and put into play by the Zio controlled Government

    … JFK, RFK, and JFK Jr were killed by Israeli & Jewish perfidy

    … Jewish Wall Street is bailed out repeatedly after stealing Trillions

    … US Federal Reserve is a Jew scam to steal American wealth

    and so on…

    The people need to finally end this Jewish attack on Mankind.

    Producing Pitchforks might be the next hot growth industry.

  142. jackson says:
    @Woohoohan

    If you’re capable of contemplating the implications, you’re capable of doing a BLAST search using Wuhan sequence as query against the full nucleotide database. Don’t query just the nr/nonredundant one – search against the entire unfiltered, uncurated set.

    • Replies: @FB
  143. @Pheasant

    He cannot spell the name of the place he supposedly worked for however many years?

    Yes, it’s strange, although he does spell it correctly in the second-to-last paragraph, and his general knowledge of government and military operations seems generally plausible to me.

    Twodees Partain says: “Another oddity is how he says that DHS was “stood up” instead of set up. He uses that term more than once.”

    “Stood up” in the sense of “established” is very common military jargon. It actually adds to his credibility.

    Curmudgeon says: “I am not in a position to comment on the technical accuracy of his post, but the obvious grammatical errors and demonstrable lack of continuity of thought in the non-technical areas, certainly cast doubt on its validity.”

    Maybe, but they were just posts/comments on another page, as I understand, not an “article” so no reason to expect necessarily that he would have polished the piece(s). Most of his background chitchat seems fairly convincing to me.

    I’m still skeptical that either the US or China would employ a corona virus in this way. For third parties, the plausibility rises a bit perhaps.

  144. FB says: • Website
    @anon

    CIA’s busted again, so frozen Hitler embryo Sean’s here with Today’s CIA Big Lie.

    LOL…

    That’s probably the best description of the braindead knucklehead ‘Sean’ that I have seen to date…

    His comments are inevitably the most retarded by far on any thread that he pops up on…he really should be awarded some sort of booby prize…

  145. @milliadasious13

    Any moron can see the “obvious.”

  146. Nils says:
    @critical mass

    There’s online reports from many people claiming they had the coronavirus late last year – before it became a media sensation and attributed to Wuhan. That’s a fact.

    It’s all well known the US as do other countries experiment on genetically modified viruses for offensive and defensive purposes.

    Either the CDC purposefully withheld this knowledge or it was done out of lack of knowledge. Either way no one was tested for it before it became known in Wuhan.

    This was either an accidental release brought to China or intentional. I would suspect unintentionally given the self infection rates in the US that were unreported. But who knows

  147. @Tony Hall

    Recent release of info from China indicates that the closest the authorities have got to patient one came to light on November 17.

    How recent?

    How reliable is that information in light of their now trying to push the blame onto the US?

    How do they define “patient one”? Is it the first person they suspect of having been infected within the mid-November time frame (consistent with my supposition) or the first person to have displayed symptoms at that time (not consistent with their earlier claims)?

    Did that person die, and if so, was the person later tested with the diagnostic kit that did not became available until January 17, 2020?

  148. Tor597 says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Fred, my opinion is that the US wants the outbreak to spread here and through the world.

    The main motive would be to cause an outbreak that is so devastating that the whole world turns against China. If America was spared from harm, there would be no motive to despise the Chinese.

    There is no other reason to explain why the US botched things so throughly. Why would Trump not want to heavily test or crack down on public gatherings?

    He could easily put the blame on China. But now that he and suspiciously the UK choose to just let it happen, that time has passed.

    This is similar to 9/11. It required the sacrifice of over 3,000 American lives. Once you cross that path, this is not much of a leap.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  149. FB says: • Website
    @jackson

    I have a better idea NIMROD…

    Why don’t you post some fucking links to back up your diarrhea…

    Anyone can come on here and claim alleged scientific ‘facts’ like you did in your original comment…

    The Chinese military submitted, twice, in 2015 and then in 2017, a coronavirus sequence that is 100% identical to the Wuhan virus to the public databases. Two isolates. They’re there for everyone to see.

    So go ahead goofball…if it’s there for ‘everyone to see’ then why don’t you just post those links…?

  150. @RichardTaylor

    Who says they don’t have a vaccine? If you did not get yours, that means you are not on the list. An oversight, maybe. Ask your district supervisor.

    • LOL: Parfois1
  151. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    There are no “nazis” anywhere in power at any level of the United States. The constant need for the winners of the postwar order — liberal capitalism, zionism, and bolshevism — to attribute the particularities and foibles of their multicultural societies onto these non-existent “nazis” in an effort to keep their 8 decades of “good war” agitprop relevant is becoming exceedingly rote.

  152. Tor597 says:
    @ploni almoni

    So your coping mechanism is to pick on someone’s grammar and spelling while he posts on a forum?

    That’s all you got?

  153. @Oscar Peterson

    I’m still skeptical that either the US or China would employ a corona virus in this way. For third parties, the plausibility rises a bit perhaps.

    Could it be Israel?

    Nah, that’s just a kooky “White Supremacist conspiracy theory” says spooky Jewish Supremacist Johnathan Greenblatt. lol 😆

  154. refl says:
    @Ron Unz

    I am prepared to believe anything about corona and bioweapons and so forth – but given the obvious incompetence of the public response to the whole issue in western countries, maybe we should see this as a combination of genuine incompetence and hidden political agendas by the different players.

    I would like to bring the following video to the general attention, which might find its place in a future article, that might be called ‘American Prawda: The Corona panic’:

    The guy in the video is a pulmonologist and a former member of parliament in Germany, and in this 10 minute video explains quite well that corona might just as well be a hype:
    – The test that is being used has not properly been tested ( I have just read that it delivers about 50% positive results that are wrong). It was approved by the WHO against their regular rules.
    – The test was developed in Germany on a different type of Corona then the one found in China
    – The city of Wuhan hosts the biggest Chinese laboratory for viruses and thus they just carry out huge numbers of tests and so they are likely to find stuff
    – Corona viruses in general make up a regular significant portion of viruses found in people with seasonal respirational diseases and are extremely likely to be found in severe cases.
    – It is improbable that in the cases where people died of the disease, there has been sufficient testing that the virus was the cause of death (as most cases were old people, they had mutiple diseases that would more likely have caused their death)
    – The relevant questions to judge the current situation as a crisis beyond the seasonal flu have not been asked.
    -Finally, his conclusion is: ‘The emperor is naked’

    There is a website of him that contains some articles in english: https://www.wodarg.com/

    I believe that he is seriously under fire now. Just last week he came out on German TV, when his counternarrative was still possible at least in this country, and by now, the general panic has completely passed him by.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @JMM
    , @JMM
  155. Tor597 says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I think Unz automatically converts it to a video. You will have to click the video and you can get the link from there.

    Otherwise you can just remove the space before x.

    https://youtu.be/ xvAHEzIt9NE

  156. “… Against China”

    Maybe. Likely. But — is China the real target?

    In a matter of couple months, China was able to contain the spread and is getting back on its feet. Yes, their economy took a big hit, 50%, but it’s back at 80% and will soon be normal (and more) again.

    In my opinion, the real target (of the Globalists of the City of London) is the Western world and more specifically, the US dollar. The Western world’s economy is collapsing and, unlike China, they don’t seem to have a back up plan. Chances are that China will be ready to scoop everything on the cheap.

    p.s. Let’s keep in mind that the US Pharmaceutical industry is heavily reliant on China.

    • Replies: @TT
  157. @Johnny Walker Read

    The whole 5G causes viruses is so stupid it could only be planted by the establishment to hide something or other. It’s a radio wave. There were similar panics over all cell technology. True tin foil hat stuff.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Johnny Walker Read
  158. Ron Unz says:
    @Tor597

    Fred, my opinion is that the US wants the outbreak to spread here and through the world…There is no other reason to explain why the US botched things so throughly. Why would Trump not want to heavily test or crack down on public gatherings?

    Well, possibly. But don’t forget the old saying that it’s unwise to attribute to malice what can be easily explained by total incompetence.

    I think the American government is more totally incompetent than any of us can possibly imagine…

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @DN
    , @Lot
  159. @utu

    This “priming” for our purposes is irrelevant. Holding back on the spread makes sense if you are waiting for warm humid weather to stop the virus altogether. But if you want “herd immunity,” then of course you have to let it run its course without hindrance. It is true that, if allowed to run its course, we could run out of ventilators very quickly. Which would mean that we, or they, then simply stop treating the 90 year olds, probably the 80 year olds, perhaps the 70 year olds, a decision which is very difficult for the conventional mind, which cannot wrap its mind around euthanasia even for those who want it. But it is simply triage, which is an obvious procedure when circumstances make it necessary.

  160. reezy says:

    If, in fact, the US has 5 strains currently and China only one then it must have been percolating in the US for some time before it arose in China.

    This database has been collecting the genomes of many SARS-2 virus samples: https://www.gisaid.org/

    But their data appears to show that all major families of the virus are subclades of viral strain(s) prevalent in China, see phylogeny tree diagram.

    Does anyone here know how to reconcile these 2 different claims? The Chinese claim that the US has more strains must be replicable if true.

    The genomic data of all uploaded viruses are available for download (as long as one registers for an account on GISAID), so if anyone is knowledgeable enough to replicate/confirm/disprove the result, then please do. Or if anyone can even provide some high level direction on what should be done, then I can even attempt to do an analysis myself as I do have a basic understanding of genetics, bioinformatics, and can program decently well.

  161. bjondo says:
    @Ron Unz

    Sure can be incompetent.
    But its evil is overwhelming.
    Think of Bolton, Cheney, Ashcroft,
    McCain, plus all those names I can’t think of
    wanting to destroy Social Security
    and Medicare. Killing off the old a help.

    Always assume evil until proven differently
    and certified by God. God not the small dip.

    Pure evil systems: England, Israel, USA.
    (I still exclude Trump)

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @bjondo
  162. eah says:

    Link to my previous comment about a website that reported on a 2008 paper/study by authors/researchers associated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (includes link to website) –> link to comment

    From the website, a brief synopsis of the study’s findings:

    This basically states that the SARS-Like Coronavirus (a different virus than the SARS virus strain from the early 2000’s outbreak) they had found in bats was not transmissable to humans due to it not binding to the ACE2 receptor, but that with a minimal insertion of genome from HIV it was able to bind to human ACE2 receptor and not just the bat receptors.

    Link to the study on the NIH website –> link to study

    Highlighted excerpts from the abstract:

    Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by the SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which uses angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) as its receptor for cell entry. A group of SARS-like CoVs (SL-CoVs) has been identified in horseshoe bats. SL-CoVs and SARS-CoVs share identical genome organizations and high sequence identities, with the main exception of the N terminus of the spike protein (S), known to be responsible for receptor binding in CoVs. In this study, we investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency virus-based pseudovirus system with cell lines expressing the ACE2 molecules of human, civet, or horseshoe bat. In addition to full-length S of SL-CoV and SARS-CoV, a series of S chimeras was constructed by inserting different sequences of the SARS-CoV S into the SL-CoV S backbone. Several important observations were made from this study. First, the SL-CoV S was unable to use any of the three ACE2 molecules as its receptor. Second, the SARS-CoV S failed to enter cells expressing the bat ACE2. Third, the chimeric S covering the previously defined receptor-binding domain gained its ability to enter cells via human ACE2, albeit with different efficiencies for different constructs. Fourth, a minimal insert region (amino acids 310 to 518) was found to be sufficient to convert the SL-CoV S from non-ACE2 binding to human ACE2 binding, indicating that the SL-CoV S is largely compatible with SARS-CoV S protein both in structure and in function. The significance of these findings in relation to virus origin, virus recombination, and host switching is discussed.

    So back in 2008, researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology converted a SARS-like coronavirus (SL-CoV) found in bats, which was not able to infect humans, into a virus that could infect humans by changing its (spike) protein cover (S) to include an amino acid sequence from HIV.

  163. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @ploni almoni

    a fake would be very sure to get such details right, whereas “the real thing” could be dyslexic.

    Yep, many, perhaps most, American scientists are more or less illiterate. Moreover, the Unz Review provides authors zero editorial assistance. Thus, what comes after the second sentence of this article is not a sentence: it lacks a verb.

    But what the author asserts about the origin of COVID19 is mere speculation to which his experience as a bioweapons scientist adds little or nothing at all.

    We can all speculate: I propose that COVID19 was released in China by the Russians who are in secret possession of an antidote. Why would the Russians do that? To spread the virus worldwide thus to drive the US and allies into depression, as is now occurring, while simultaneously working with the Saudis to drive the price of oil to below the cost of most of the world’s production. They will then buy up a few hundred billion in shares of the oil majors before squeezing the oil supply and driving the price of a barrel to $1oo plus and the value of their stock holdings into the trillions.

    All fantasy, but as probable, I think, as anything else proposed at Unz.com.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @SBaker
  164. @Stan

    I teach English to foreigners day in and day out, and have been doing so for the last 6 years living in foreign countries. The author is absolutely 100% a native speaker of American English. Misspellings such as Fort Detrick could be accounted for by a spellchecker or auto-correct if on a mobile device and the fact that it was in the form of comments, not an essay crafted for publication. He also so writes with the density, style and vernacular of someone who has loooong worked in or adjacent to the US government at a professional level for so long that he has adopted it as his natural language. This is what you are perceiving as strange. The language is militarized, certainly not an academic, PR agent, journalist, student, technician or ordinary MD. He reminds me of my own mom and step-father: military meets federal grant writing meets medicine and their clients associated with .gov, but in this case, more military.

    • Replies: @eah
  165. ivan says:
    @FB

    [Try to stay on-topic or your comments will get trashed.]

    Hey idiot. I followed all the arguments closely thinking there was something to the Russian case. But if the Brits had already the story down within 48 hours and were able to convince all the Western countries of the same it was because with the evidence they had it was an open and shut case. Now the police have do a painstaking investigation to make a case for extradition and prosecution but any intelligence person who can’t put two and two together given the evidence the British had in their hands within hours should be fired. Now that information was not shared with the public in beginning. Maybe they should have but maybe they wanted to give the Russians a long enough rope to hang themselves with that is how spooks are. Don’t bother pointing out links at moa or Craig Murray or nottheguardian. I’ve read them all.

    Coming back to our avancular ye Olde Microbiologist he was posing as a know all about chemical weapons then.

  166. @Pheasant

    I won’t say more as they will reach out and seek retribution.

    If this post were factual there ain’t no way the interested parties could not identify him with eight telephone calls or e-mails to the pertinent subject matter officials. I think fake. 50-50 it’s written by a person on the government payroll just to stir up some shit.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  167. Cortes says:

    Perhaps my memory is faulty but I believe that Old Microbiologist used to comment regularly on articles at Colonel Pat Lang’s

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/

    site. As I recall, none of OM’s detailed comments attracted derision or disbelief from others contributing to the debates on that site.

  168. “ This is a little known problem with civil service employees. They are impossible to eliminate and generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage. ”

    Are you kidding me? This is one of the most well-known things around. Is this guy serious?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  169. @JimDandy

    Judging from their performance in the competition, these were the US Army’s rainbow soy boys troops. Likely the Chinese were so disgusted by the perverse homo activities of the porn addicted US tranny troops that they completely missed the biowarfare aspect. Kind of like a Trojan dildo.

    • LOL: JimDandy
  170. eah says:
    @Eugene Norman

    The whole 5G causes viruses is so stupid …

    Yes — the “whole 5G causes viruses” (mis-)characterization “is so stupid” it could only come from (yet another) eminently ignore-able commenter at unz.com — the claim has never been that 5G “causes viruses”, rather that 5G signals can/do affect human cells in such a way that they (may) become more susceptible to infection by viruses (or adversely affected in others way).

    Note: I’m agnostic on this claim about 5G — I have not looked into it.

    But the truth is, the cellular industry has never tried very hard to ascertain the adverse effects of its signals (a kind of continuous electromagnetic radiation originating from base stations), and governments around the world have allowed them to get away with it (potential damage to people who overuse their devices is another question).

    Parents Blame Elementary School’s Cell Tower After 4th Student Diagnosed With Cancer

    [MORE]

    A fourth child has been diagnosed with cancer at a San Joaquin County elementary school, and parents believe it’s because of radiation caused by a cell phone tower.

    The towers are spread throughout the community, but it’s this particular one that parents say needs to go.

    “We had a doctor tell us that it’s 100 percent environmental, the kind of tumor that he has,” said Monica Ferrulli. …

    “I wouldn’t send my kids there at all, it absolutely is dangerous,” said Eric Windheim, an electromagnetic radiation specialist. “Children are still developing and their cells are still being divided. It’s the worst possible time in their life to be exposed.” …

    Parents want the mast removed, but the district won’t budge. Parents say the district gets a kickback of $2,000 a month to have the tower for a telephone company, but the district so far has not commented.

    Cell tower to be removed from Ripon school amid cancer concerns

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Eugene Norman
    , @ivan
  171. bjondo says:
    @bjondo

    Forgot these examples of
    evil to achieve evil goals:

    Original Pearl Harbor, 2nd Pearl – 9-11
    and 9-11’s partner – anthrax attacks.

    No incompetence – malevolence.

    5ds

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  172. ivan says:
    @refl

    The problem is that the modern electorate expect the governments to prevent any and all possible deaths due the virus. Otherwise in the US for example they will turn it into Trump’s Katrina moment if he is not seen to “do something”. Anyone who argues for example that we should let the virus spread in order that herd immunity develops faster is certain to evoke comparisons with Marie Antoinette. Hence they can shut down the entire world in a Quixotic project to save us. Each nation now competing with each other to see who can impose the most draconian curbs in order to “do something”.

    But try telling the same electorate that too many die in traffic accidents and therefore we should ban cars . Or that refined sugar causes umpteen health problems and therefore should be banned. We won’t get far with that.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  173. eah says:
    @ComradePuff

    Here we have a comment, with a gold box put there (I assume) by Ron Unz, from a commenter who, when you mouse over his moniker (ComradePuff), it says has “No Recent Commenting History”.

    Previously from Ron Unz:

    It’s interesting that quite a number of the most zealous “anti-conspiracy-theory” activists are individuals who have never previously commented on this website.

    Again, it’s “interesting” when Ron Unz finds lack of or little commenting history “interesting”, vs when he doesn’t.

    Just pointing this out for a friend who noticed it.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  174. Anonymous[472] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Back on planet earth, China steals intellectual property from America, not the other way around. And we’ve been hearing how Russia has warp drive and is about to unleash it’s magic weapons any day now. Give it a rest.

  175. ivan says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Well said. As plausible as any other theory.

  176. Agent76 says:

    Mar 16, 2020 Coronavirus Victory: How China Is Spinning a Propaganda Win

    The deadly coronavirus spread from Wuhan, China is now a pandemic. People have die all over the world, because the Chinese Communist Party tried to cover up the disease instead of fight it.

    • Disagree: John Chuckman
    • Troll: Herald
  177. utu says:
    @eah

    In countries where the cellular industry is called mobile industry mobile “signals can/do [NOT] affect human cells.”

  178. @eah

    Electric signals causing cancer is one thing. Possibly in extreme circumstances, or very close to a tower (ie meters) there’s some possibility.

    Some kind of nonsense about how the cells are weakened to facilitate the spread of viruses is another. Cell towers have been around for decades. Every change in that technology has been met with the loons ranting about the effects.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Herald
  179. @lysias

    They couldn’t. Well, you know, lots of times when you send your government people abroad, you give them all kinds of vaccinations against possible local threats. By mistake, someone could have given these government travelers an experimental live virus vaccine against a new kind of flu threat. Unfortunately, if they ran into someone with lowered immunity, when they were travelling, then they could transmit that very virus that the live virus vaccine was supposed to protect against. These things happen. It’s nobody’s fault.

  180. This guy’s even more full of shit than Godfrey Roberts, hard as that is to believe. Maybe they hang out together in Thailand.

  181. @uradel666

    Agreed, this is a controlled demolition. Corona is a tool, not a weapon.

  182. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I did a little additional investigation, and “OldMicrobiologist” seems to check out.

    He may or may not be correct in his analysis, but I don’t think he’s a hoaxer, so it’s pretty likely that he is whom he claims to be.

  183. DN says:
    @Ron Unz

    In Sci-Fi movie from 1976 Logan’s Run, the citizens live a hedonistic life but, to prevent overpopulation, everyone must undergo the rite of “Carrousel” when they reach the age of 30.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film)
    Maybe it is not so easy to persuade the global population to participate in preventing overpopulation, but if it is possible to influence “Vis Major”, no one can complain.

  184. FB says: • Website
    @Eugene Norman

    Cell towers have been around for decades. Every change in that technology has been met with the loons ranting about the effects.

    How would you do if someone stuck you in a big microwave oven…because the microwave frequency electromagnetic radiation [otherwise known as radio waves] in an oven is no different than that used in cell phones, except for power levels and physical proximity…

    It is a fact that electromagnetic radiation can be very harmful to living cells [just ask the chicken you cooked in the microwave]…the only unknown is whether long term exposure to low power radio can have a cumulative effect that resembles exposure to high power radio for even brief periods of time…

    Personally I never hold a cell phone to my ear…the physics of waves tells us that the strength of radiation decreases by the square of the distance…twice the distance means four times weaker signal strength [inverse square law]…

    There is nothing ‘loonish’ about physics…but I seriously doubt you would know anything about that…many highly qualified people are trying to understand this issue of radio exposure, since our world has become saturated with waves…wifi, cell phones and much more…while industry and business interests seem uninterested in expanding our knowledge and finding even basic answers to important questions…

    Five G and the ridiculous ‘internet of things’ is only going to saturate our living spaces with even more radio waves…5G in particular uses much higher radio frequencies [shorter wavelengths] which require much tighter spacing of transmission antennas in our living spaces…on the order of several such antennas every hundred meters…this is not a trivial issue that can be brushed off with totally clueless remarks about ‘loons’…

  185. @Chinaman

    If you Chinese lowlifes don’t watch yourself, we (the U.S.) are going to end your sorry, sorry excuse of a country someday, and no one will be able to occupy your glowing soil for 10,000 years. I’d advise a course correction, tout d’suite.

    Step One: Know your place.

    • Agree: Poco
    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @John Chuckman
    , @Chinaman
  186. @Max Payne

    Auto-correction doesn’t insert nonexistent words, dum-dum.

  187. bjondo says:

    Haven’t seen anyone being rude or coughing.
    Haven’t seen any bodies piled high like Jew in Jew imagination.

    Businesses are being shut. Curfews instituted. What next?
    Many changes from this seemingly minor (to me) cold.

    9-11 and its many draconian changes.
    FtDet-19 and its changes to come.

    Russiagate, impeachment, coronavirus.

    NeoLibCons at work?

    5 dancing shlomos

  188. Rurik says:

    As to the incompetence or evil of the US government, I’d say they’re no more incompetent or evil than the Canadian or German or British or French governments. At least in amorality, even as the ZUS is the ‘button man’ / drooling golem thug.

    All of those governments participate(d) in the War on Terror. All of those governments (feverishly) work against the best interests of their citizens. All of those governments cover up monumental crimes against the victims of the War on Terror. All of those governments sanction drone assassination, if by nothing else, their complicit silence. Their collective response to the assassination of Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani was tepid handwringing and calling for calm. Unlike non-zio Russia, who condemned the assassination, and called it ‘unacceptable’.

    So to me, the ZUS government is no more or less incompetent or evil than the French, who helped bomb Libya into the stone age. Or England, where Boris Johnson declared Britain “will not lament the death” of Qasem Soleimani. The ‘Iranian general had the blood of British troops on his hands’.

    So there is incompetence and insanity to well go around.

    But the salient thing about all this incompetence and evil and insanity, is that I would think we all know that men like Pompeo and Trump and Pence, are stooges. They’re puppets on the ends of $trings. They (men like Dubya or Trump or Pompeo) don’t decide things. It’s the puppet masters that do.

    But who pulls the strings, (exactly as they did on 9/11- and the Eternal Wars- and the looting and destruction of the Western world)?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  189. @FB

    Who puts a live chicken in their microwave?

  190. JimDandy says:
    @Realist

    How are things over there in China, anyway? Settling down some? You washing your hands, bro?

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
    , @Realist
  191. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Nothing like putting your stupidity on display for all the world to see.

  192. News out of Cork Ireland-they have closed the Blarney Stone to visitors , so that proves it, it was kissing the Blarney Stone that led to the pandemic . This theory makes as much sense as all the other BS being spewed by the mainstream media when you have an alleged disease for whixh there is no accurate or reliable test . The CDC is rolling out hundreds of thousands of new test kits, how reliable and accurate are they going to be?

  193. @JimDandy

    They are doing well in China , with the warmer weather ,as is usual with the flu, cases of Coronavirus are falling rapidly.

  194. uradel666 says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    My “prospective” comment had already been in script long before the “Pandemic hanky-panky” and posted to the “field” de facto 2 weeks ago. Sorry for inconvenience.

    PS
    I think you missed the main point of my story.
    And, if you hustle to get a fast buck, go and dig the ground.

  195. @Ron Unz

    Do you think we’re in for a major market correction in the coming weeks?

    Given the wild swings we’ve seen over the last few weeks, it seems like it. Today’s drop is the second worse in the history of the market, even worse than 1929. It seems like the Fed has very little it can do to prop up the markets, so I’m not sure what comes next. Especially with an increasing proportion of the population getting quarantined and hospitals becoming even more overwhelmed, I think the market will continue to proceed downward.

    I’m thinking Gold might be the only thing that can hold its value in this type of volatile environment, but I could be wrong….

    What are your thoughts?

  196. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    Nice way to deflect China’s responsibility in this whole fiasco. China should have been on high alert the minute the first few SARS like patients were reported way back in December. They ignored it. When they had a second chance to clamp down and localize the damage by grounding all outbound flights out of China the same day they locked down Wuhan, they failed again.

    Instead, they insisted on flying their people all over the world, incl. to rest of Asia and Europe, and that’s why we’re now seeing this pandemic. Even right now, Air China continues to fly all over the world. Now that the virus is going back to them from abroad, and the economic pain is now suppressing demand not just supply, they have no one to blame but themselves.

    The US needs a complete decoupling from China, the sooner the better. We need a federal mandate that all medicine and medical equipment must be manufactured in the US from now on. No transferring of manufacturing to other Asian countries, bring them back to the US, by law.

    China should pay a huge fine in the trillions for the damage they caused the rest of the world.

  197. utu says:

    Italy still bothers me. Why is it an outlier? Canada has 5 times more Chinese than Italy but 62 times less infection cases and 539 times less fatalities than Italy. Do Canadian Chinese travel to China? They are affluent so certainly they do. Does Canada have a better medical system than Italy? Maybe but infant mortality in Canada (4.50) is higher than in Italy (3.30).

    What if Italy was cast in the role of a decoy. To take away attention from China and Iran (*) and to take attention from speculations about biowarfare and the ethnically selective viruses that possibly were launched against China and Iran? What if the epidemic was faked in Italy? Can it be done?

    Remember Gladio? Italy was the proving and roaming grounds for Gladio. The Deep State’s clandestine structures of Gladio still do exist in Italy. In Italy faked documents (yellowcake) were produced for war in Iraq. This is were the neocon Michael Ledeen worked with Italian military intelligence SISMI; this is where Steve Bannon tries to set up his headquarter for ‘his’ version of the NWO where the chief enemy is China.

    So what if Gladio was tasked with faking (amplifying) the epidemics? Most important are media. And Italy has one of the most ‘tabloidized’ media. Their networks were precursors of Sky and Fox. Berlusconi was Trump before Trump. All they needed was to whip up the panic that people were dying.

    Dr. Leopoldo Salmaso
    Nuova intervista all’epidemiologo Salmaso
    https://www.lantidiplomatico.it/dettnews-il_tasso_di_letalit_del_coronavirus_in_italia__almeno_10_volte_inferiore_ai_dati_ufficiali_nuova_intervista_allepidemiologo_salmaso/5496_33545/

    Q. Well, can you tell us more about the last seasonal influenza in Italy of which the official data are available?

    A. Yes, on the seasonal flu 2017-18, it appears that 8.7 million people turned to the family doctor / pediatrician by phone for a “flu-like syndrome”. Less than 1/4 were visited by the doctor. No fewer than 18,000 people died “with flu complications”, mostly the elderly. Of those 18,000, only 173 (1 in 100) died in a ICU ward and in all there were 764 “serious cases of confirmed flu in ICU patients”. That is, the other 17,000 people died at home, or in a nursing home, or in some hospital ward, with no confirmed diagnosis of flu. If the media had unleashed the current uproar two years ago, no less than 75,000 patients with influenza would have clogged up the reanimations, at the rate of 750 new admissions every day (so far we have hospitalized 650 in resuscitation in all). These data confirm that we are facing a panic epidemic.

    60,000 people die every month in Italy. Is it hard to find 1,000 median age 81 years who were dying due to various infections and complications and proclaim them the victims of coronavirus before there were tests for coronavirus? The job was simple: whip up the panic to the point that health systems gets overwhelmed and unhinged when they start triaging away old people and let them die in quarantine isolation away from friends and families who possibly could intervene to prolong their lives.

    How do we explain very sangfroid approach of the UK which talks about rinding the plague to achieve the herd immunity? Or for that matter that of the US and Canada? O perhaps all the Five Eyes countries. Five Eyes countries share one thing: they do not have Gladio just like in the old joke that the US is lucky because it has no US embassy to meddle in its affairs.

    Now return to the Chinese in Canada who constitute 4.7% of population. They do not seem to be a vector. Actually 4-5 ‘vectors’ in British Columbia were from the Middle East. So if the Chinese in Canada did not create a vast epidemic so far can this tell us something about the nature of the epidemic in China? Is it possible that we are missing something? Is possible that both Ron Unz and Old Microbiologist are not accounting for the ‘hoaxy’ part of the spectacle that we are witnessing and participating in?

    (*) Italy may play the same role as N. Korea in the Axis of Evil concocted by David Frum.

  198. anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @ivan

    The Chicoms have been banned from Indian Nagaland for their activities concerning bat corona viruses there.

    This was an intriguing comment so I followed up. Your characterization is wrong. So far from a media report in the Hindu that it looks like you’re just fabricating: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/study-on-bats-and-bat-hunters-of-nagaland-come-under-the-scanner/article30722099.ece

    Indian, US, and Chinese (Wuhan Virology Institute) researchers in that order collaborated on a study of bat viruses in Nagaland (Northeast India) published in 2019. Interestingly, the study was funded by the US DoD. The Indian government announced in February it was reviewing the research project. There is nothing about a ban or anything being amiss.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @ivan
  199. @Kratoklastes

    Hey dum-dum, there is not a “literacy level” of the USA. There are literacy levels. Plural. Blacks are poor in this regard, as are “immigrants.” Actual Americans are just fine.

    Nuance can be your friend; look into it.

  200. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Yeah, he’s serious. Most poseurs are. Making a foolish statement like that is a way of claiming privileged knowledge, and hoping that those who do already know it will feel privileged themselves and won’t call him out.

  201. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    This article simultaneously accuses the US of incompetence and also somehow carried off such a feat as creating then spreading this perfectly manufactured virus in China. Seems to me if we were that incompetent we wouldn’t be able to carry off such a feat, especially if you look at the bungled response of CDC and the Trump admin, they’ve had 2 months to prepare for this, make the test kits, ramp up prep work incl. equipment and training for local healthcare, and telling 3M to ramp up manufacturing of masks, they did nothing.

    And they should’ve known that unless we seal off all international air traffic, this will eventually find its way here. Even after Italy plunged into their crisis in early March, Trump still allowed direct flights from Milan to many US cities incl. Seattle until last week. Unless, of course, they see this as collateral damage, killing off the old and the weak to help save some Medicare money. But the old form a huge voting block for the GOP, so somehow I doubt that.

    Our government’s incompetence is laid bare for all the country to see this week, esp. when compared to the response in S. Korea, where 250k people have now been tested. Clueless people are still out everywhere in the Seattle area, incl. the elderly, still trying to go to the gym, the stores, library, until a forced shutdown came in to save these idiots from themselves. But it’s too late. Fecking idiot liberals should’ve closed schools 2 weeks ago, but they dragged their feet because they didn’t want kids on free lunch program to “go hungry”. What happens to these kids every summer when school is out? Somehow they have no trouble getting food in the summer.

    Our incompetent elected officials and bureaucracy are bungling this response hugely. I doubt they are competent enough to make such a virus, despite the true evils of Pompeo-Bolton-Kushner-Pence.

  202. SBaker says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Yep, many, perhaps most, American scientists are more or less illiterate. Moreover, the Unz Review provides authors zero editorial assistance. Thus, what comes after the second sentence of this article is not a sentence: it lacks a verb.

    But what the author asserts about the origin of COVID19 is mere speculation to which his experience as a bioweapons scientist adds little or nothing at all.

    We can all speculate: I propose that COVID19 was released in China by the Russians who are in secret possession of an antidote. Why would the Russians do that? To spread the virus worldwide thus to drive the US and allies into depression, as is now occurring, while simultaneously working with the Saudis to drive the price of oil to below the cost of most of the world’s production. They will then buy up a few hundred billion in shares of the oil majors before squeezing the oil supply and driving the price of a barrel to $1oo plus and the value of their stock holdings into the trillions.

    All fantasy, but as probable, I think, as anything else proposed at Unz.com.

    Agree, but there are a couple of real scientists here. The oldmicrobiologist is likely a scientist, but he sure as hell never worked at Ft Detrick. I think your comments are much closer to a likely scenario to undermine the US economy, which means the government too, using the combined attack on the price of oil and the release of the Wuhan Corona virus. We should have let the Japanese destroy China when we had the chance, maybe?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  203. bjondo says:

    This is a little known problem with civil service employees. They are impossible to eliminate and generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage.

    They do have a greater amount of job security than most but they (generally) are not lazy bums. They have conscientious supervisors and most are competent, hard workers.

    “Rise to levels where they can cause the most damage” are usually the political appointees whose goal is to damage.

    Speaking of hard to get rid of and causing great damage:

    Corporate CEOs have contributed to the destruction of America’s industrial capacity, innovation and are impossible to get rid of like nail fungi. They burrow in deep.

    Takes many millions to get rid of them: Jack Welch, Chuck Conway, Ken Lay (dead or hiding in Idaho?), Carly Fiorina, Bob Nardelli, Gerald Levin, Chainsaw Dunlap, Nick Fuld, this list is endless.

    This canard regarding fed employees sounds like a corporate republican talking point mouthed by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and other greedy, little, talking turds.

    Toss ’em all into a hog pen at feeding time.

    Fed employees but not civil servants who have helped to destroy America and were nearly impossible to get rid of: Cheney, Biden, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, throw a dart into Congress.

    5 dancing shlomos

  204. Second sentence: “Fort Detrich” Does he mean Fort Detrick?

  205. @Rurik

    You keep building your legend. But everyone knows who put the terror in the “war on terror.”

  206. Johnwho says:

    The usual Canadian complainer here. And I made some comments on how poorly the Canadian government is handling this Corona virus crisis. And some Americans came on that site and very politely offered suggestions on how we could handle it better. I don’t know if they came from here, but I very much appreciate the thing they did. The site to protest on is CBC.ca
    Don’t think I don’t appreciate it, I do.

  207. Pft says:

    Here is a timeline up until 2020 that might be enlightening to some. Might be too long though. Take home though is there an a lot of interlocked actors from US to china, from scientists, corporations, to military to philanthropists who have made Pandemic viruses and Pandemic defense (offense?) their lifelong work, some for profit and others have higher agendas. Maybe the question of who is to blame, China or US is the wrong question? Maybe both are working together on some levels.

    [MORE]

    2000- The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation gives US$ 750 million to set up Gavi

    2002 -Godfather of corona virus (Ralph Baric of UNC ) patents process for a coronavirus vaccine.

    2003 (February) JASON group (scientific think tank) issues DARPA funded study report on Biotetection Architectures stating “It is essential to conduct realistic exercises of a biodetection architecture in order to assess technical capabilities and refine operational procedures …. useful exercise(s) should entail pre-defined tests of the system through a series of staged events.”

    2003-SARS coronavirus released in China

    2003 After the SARS outbreak Shi Zhengli led a team to collect bat samples across the country for virus detect the Corona viruses

    2005- Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act of 2005 (S. 1873) The bill createsa new federal agency, the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency (BARDA), that would act “as the single point of authority” to promote advanced research and development of drugs and vaccines in response to bioterrorism and natural disease outbreaks, while shielding the agency from public Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. BARDA would be exempt from long-standing open records and meetings laws that apply to most government departments.

    The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREPA),signed into law by George W. Bush in December, 2005, is a tort liability shield intended to protect vaccine manufacturers from financial risk in the event of a declared public health emergency. PREPA provides $3.8 billion for pandemic influenza preparedness to protect public health in the case of a pandemic disease outbreak

    2007-The AMC is a special financing mechanism set up in 2007 by GAVI and six donors (Italy, the United Kingdom, Canada, the Russian Federation, Norway, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation) to stimulate development of  vaccines. 

    2008-Biolake established in Wuhan. Biolake has become home to more than 1,800 bio firms and over 50,000 highly-skilled professionals, with annual output exceeding 120 billion yuan ($17.76 billion).

    2008-The Thousand Talents Program (TTP) was established by the central government of China to recognize and recruit leading international experts in scientific research, innovation, and entrepreneurship. TTP is alleged to facilitate economic espionage and theft of intellectual property to be used by China’s military-civil sectors which like the US is interlocked

    2009-H1N1 Pandemic Scare in spring through fall setting stage for Obama Care to pass in December

    2010-Study by Rockefeller Foundation on impact of a coronavirus like pandemic on society and governance, . One scenario envisioned is “Lock Step: A world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback.”

    2010 -Shi Zhengli’s team published a paper to examine the sensitivity of different types of bat ACE2 to human SARS-CoV spike protein (S protein) using live SARS virus and HIV (AIDS) pseudovirus.

    2010- DARPA and NIH funded review on Synthetic Viruses published.

    “Rapid progress in DNA synthesis and sequencing is spearheading the deliberate, large-scale genetic alteration of organisms. …. the de novo synthesis of viral genomes in the absence of a natural template….large-scale changes will be introduced into numerous viruses, allowing the creation of redesigned particles….

    In 2011, Professor Lieber , Harvard Department Chair joined Wuhan University of Technology in China as a scientist. He also participated in the Thousand Talents Plan. He was given more than $1.5m to establish a research lab at Wuhan University of Technology.

    2013-MERS-CoV released. First known case was in Jordan (retrospectively) but announced during outbreak in Saudi Arabia some months later in September

    October 30, 2013, Nature magazine published a paper entitled “Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like Coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor“, from the research team including Ge Xingyi, Shi Zhengli, Dasak and other experts from Yunnan. Shi Zhengli provided the SHC014 Coronavirus S protein sequence and plasmid, which is her field of expertise.

    2013 -President Obama in March signed a law giving $2.8 billion in funding to a decade-old biodefense effort called “Project Bioshield,” extending it for another five years.

    The Department of Homeland Security uses intelligence reports to decide which diseases and biological threats are considered “material,” or realistic threats to US security. It then refers these findings to Health and Human Services (HHS), which determines whether it’s necessary for the government to order new drugs from pharmaceutical companies to combat the threats.

    A funding agency within HHS called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) hands out lucrative contracts, parts of which can be paid up front.

    The parent agency (HHS) in charge of funding drugs for the national stockpile, is also the one that is separately funding research into new diseases that could result in a bioterror or accidental infection, which would in turn demand a response from the national stockpile. Sounds like a racket

    2014 Shi Zhengli received a $665,000 grant from NIH for a study titled The Ecology of Bat Coronaviruses and the Risk of Future Coronavirus Emergence as well as $559,500 more from USAID for a study titled Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT_2China

    2014 – The federal government temporarily stopped funding any new studies that could make three high-risk infectious diseases even more dangerous. The concern is that so-called gain-of-function studies would alter viruses in the lab in ways that could make them more pathogenic or contagious should they be released.

    November 9, 2015 Ralph Baric of UNC and Shi Zhengli jointly published a study on their efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. Funding for this project was from the DoD

    2015 The Wuhan Institute of Virology opens the first biosafety level 4 (BSL–4) laboratory to be built in mainland China. Shih Zhengli having helped build a hyper-virulent coronavirus from scratch at UNC – just so happens to be working at this lab that also just so happens to be at the epicenter of an outbreak involving a coronavirus

    2015 MERS From May to July , a large outbreak of MERS initiated by an infected traveler from the Arabian Peninsula swept South Korea and resulted in 186 confirmed cases and 38 deaths.

    2016-Bill Gates in speech says Population can be reduced by up to 15% with new vaccines, healthcare and reproductive management.

    2016- iD2020 alliance established, funded by Bill Gates and others. Launched in response to the UN Sustainable Development Goal 16.9: “provide legal identity to all, including birth registration, by 2030”,

    2016-The Insect Allies program was announced by DARPA in 2016. Some claim DARPA is potentially developing insects as a means of delivering a “new class of biological weapon.”

    2017-World Bank issues 300 million in Pandemic Bonds. Default triggered should a pandemic be declared before July 2020. Gates funded WHO declares Pandemic on March 11-2020 after over 110,000 cases, in over 110 countries. Note all the 11’s here

    2017- CEPI was founded in Davos by the governments of Norway and India, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Wellcome Trust, and the World Economic Forum in 2017. Its mission is to stimulate and accelerate the development of vaccines against emerging infectious diseases and enable access to these vaccines for people during outbreaks.

    The CEO is the former director of BARDA ( U.S. Biomedical Advanced Research and Development  Authority (BARDA), part of the HHS Office.
    The director is an ex employee of the world bank.

    2017-December. The National Institutes of Health announced that it is lifting a funding pause dating back to October 2014 on gain-of-function (GOF) experiments involving influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses.

    2017- Documents released under FOIA show DARPA has become the world’s largest funder of “gene drive” research. It is investing $100m in genetic extinction technologies that could wipe out malarial mosquitoes, invasive rodents or OTHER SPECIES,

    2018- DARPA’s Preventing Emerging Pathogenic Threats, or PREEMPT program was announced in April PREEMPT focuses specifically on animal reservoirs of disease, specifically bats.

    Duke is a key partner of DARPA’s Pandemic Prevention Platform (P3) program. The first step of the Duke/DARPA program involves the discovery of potentially threatening viruses and “develop[ing] methods to support viral propagation, so that virus can be used for downstream studies.”

    Duke University is jointly partnered with China’s Wuhan University, which resulted in the opening of the China-based Duke Kunshan University (DKU) in 2018. Notably, China’s Wuhan University includes a multi-lab Institute of Medical Virology that has worked closely with the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases since the 1980s. Probably thats what gave Dean Koontz his idea for a novel centered around the Wuhan-400 virus.

    2018 DARPA spent $10 million on one project “to unravel the complex causes of bat-borne viruses that have recently made the jump to humans.

    2018 Shi Zhengli publishes a study reporting the discovery of 89 new “novel bat coronavirus” strains that use the same receptor as the coronavirus known as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). That study was jointly funded by the Chinese government’s Ministry of Science and Technology, USAID and the U.S. National Institute of Health

    2019-A study that discovered still more new strains of “novel bat coronavirus” . Titled “Discovery and Characterization of Novel Bat Coronavirus Lineages from Kazakhstan.The study was entirely funded by the U.S. Department of Defense, specifically the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) as part of a project investigating coronaviruses similar to MERS.
    Some of the study’s authors are affiliated with Duke University.

    July 18, 2019 .The CDC sent a cease and desist order to USAMRIID concerning the Fort Detrick laboratory. Partially reopens in November with embedded CDC researchers. Nice cover story.

    September 20, 2019 – ID2020 and partners launch program to provide digital ID with vaccines

    October 18, 2019 Bill Gates funded study of Event 201 at Hopkins University simulating a pandemic eerily similar to Wuhan Virus. Attended by George Gao of China CDC

    November 7, 2019 -Bill Gates predicted a coronavirus-style pandemic would sweep the population in a Netflix documentary , in episode titled Next Pandemic. In the episode, titled The Next Pandemic, producers visit a wet market in Lianghua, China, where animals are killed and their meat is sold in the same place. Bit of Preprogramming there me thinks

    November 17, 2019 -Retrospective studies point to this date when the first COVID-19 patient was treated in Wuhan

    November 20 2019 . A patent is approved related to coronavirus vaccines is owned by Pirbright Institute (formerly the Institute for Animal Health) which is partially owned or funded by the Gates foundatio

    • Thanks: Parfois1
  208. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Italy still bothers me. Why is it an outlier? Canada has 5 times more Chinese than Italy but 62 times less infection cases and 539 times less fatalities than Italy…What if Italy was cast in the role of a decoy. To take away attention from China and Iran (*) and to take attention from speculations about biowarfare and the ethnically selective viruses that possibly were launched against China and Iran? What if the epidemic was faked in Italy?

    Maybe, but I tend to doubt that…

    My impression is that the hundreds of thousands of Chinese who lived in Italy were mostly poor sweatshop workers, packed together under ideal infection conditions when a few of them returned from Lunar New Year holidays in China with the virus. I think that situation would be very different than the much more affluent Chinese suburbanites living in Canada.

    And once hundreds or thousands of Chinese in Northern Italy were infected, it quickly spread to the general population. The collapse of the local health care system in Lombardy doesn’t seem very “fake” to me.

    Anyway, the death toll in Italy has been rising exponentially, so if we wait a few more days, I think the evidence will become very clear one way or another.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @utu
    , @Alien
  209. Johnwho says:

    btw the CBC.ca is a governent controlled site which sticktly contols everthing you say in the comments there, so if you want to even get on there you have to have to mask your comments some way or the other.

    • Replies: @John Chuckman
  210. Ano4 says:
    @Anon

    Very interesting.

    You are probably right about this author not being a native English speaker.

    German maybe?

    That would explain the Dietrich angle.

    I am aware of the high numbers of Chinese researchers in the US life science labs, many of them very talented people.

    The “Chinese Postdoc” is a kind of stereotype really.

    But frankly, I did not think that this extended to the biodefense program.

    Although, now that you’ve mentioned this, one of the main research heads at Medecine Hat was a Chinese a few years ago.

    For me this is surprising because in the USSR this was absolutely unthinkable of.

    These people wouldn’t have received the security clearances needed to even get to the towns near the Biopreparat research units.

    Thanks for your comment.

  211. @ivan

    BTW, they’re not Chicoms anymore, they’re Chicaps. Please make note of it (the brain dead leftists here sure won’t).

    • Replies: @redmudhooch
  212. Robjil says:
    @Ron Unz

    Italy was being “too independent” with its policies with China.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/01/italy-should-learn-a-thing-or-two-from-pakistan/

    In late March, the government of Italy signed a memorandum of understanding to join China’s Belt and Road Initiative, Beijing’s $1 trillion plan to develop land and sea trade routes from Asia to Africa to Europe. Italy is the first large European economy to do this, agreeing in principle to deals with China worth about $2.8 billion in investment in a variety of sectors.

    This set off alarm bells in the White House and groans in the European Union. While the Trump administration fretted about yet another Chinese attempt to expand its sphere of influence, the EU stressed that Italy was undermining Europe’s ability to engage with China as a single bloc.

    Italy did not join in the ISIS/Al-Qaeda games.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/18/is-italy-immune-from-terrorism/

    Some there cite the experience gained in taking on far-left and far-right terrorist groups in the 1970s and 1980s as the reason why jihadi terrorism today is under control. And the Italians certainly had to learn the hard way the importance of breaking down intelligence firewalls. Faulty or insufficient intelligence sharing allowed successful domestic attacks to be perpetrated by
    groups including the Islamist Abu Nidal Organisation and the left-wing Red Brigades.

    The Italians could not be fooled with ISIS/ Al-Qaeda games. Many Italians remember Judge Felice Casson’s research about who did Gladio terrorism in Italy in the Cold war era.


    rieden-durch-recht.info/gladio-natos-stay-behind-armies-and-terrorism-in-cold-war-italy/

    In order to re-evaluate the terrorist attack which had occurred in the village of Peteano in 1972, Italian judge Felice Casson in January 1990 requested permission from the highest Italian authorities to extend his research to the archives of the Italian military secret service. In July 1990, Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti consented and allowed Casson to research in the archives of Forte Braschi, the headquarters of the Italian military secret service in Rome. This far reaching decision lead to the exposure of Gladio.

    This Coronavirus attack on Italians was for these two reasons – Italians being too independent in its policies with China. Secondly, it was to punish Italians for investigating who really does terrorism on our planet.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  213. @Oscar Peterson

    ““Stood up” in the sense of “established” is very common military jargon. It actually adds to his credibility. ”

    If you mean “stood up” as the opposite of “stood down”, I never heard it put that way. “Stood to” is the term I’ve heard for established, or commissioned. Anyway, he didn’t mention being in the military, he said he had been a biodefense researcher for 40 years (a Wonk, and not even a REMF, since a REMF wears a uniform). It’s still odd to me. If it gives him some cred in your view, that’s between you and yourself.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  214. naill says:
    @bigmonkey

    Good that you remembered to bring it up. It was a false story apparently made up by none other than Kyle Bass.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/coronavirus-wasnt-sent-by-spy-from-canada/

    • Replies: @JRB
  215. @eah

    I thought that gold boxes were for comments that stroked the ego of the person awarding them. Maybe I was right. 😉

  216. @Ron Unz

    I see what you did there. Now you can’t reveal what you found out or where you found it out because that would be doxxing him, right? Slick move.

  217. FB says: • Website
    @utu

    Now that really is an extremely dumb conspiracy theory…it would require a massive, central plan of evil geniuses to implement…

    We have no proof even that this virus was in fact a manufactured bioweapon…much less that it was specifically released to target anybody…

    We are very much in the ‘discovery’ stages right now…trying to separate wheat from chaff…

    What we do know for sure is that all major powers actively work on weaponizing viruses…what we also glean from this informative article is that these places are often run extremely poorly, with plenty of stupid people and poor oversight from anybody competent…this is in fact the most interesting part, since it is so at odds with the way these things are portrayed in popular culture, especially smellywood movies, where government spooks and so-called ‘experts’ are paragons of competence and virtue…

    People are generally much more stupid than we think [this discussion board is proof enough]…we are temperamentally not far from tree monkeys and share well over 90 percent of our genes with silly apes…[many here are even more undignified than a monkey pooping from a tree branch]…

    That’s just what we are…compare that to the impeccable cleanliness of the feline species, their dignified bearing and their studious method of observation…

    The human species is a joke…so no level of incompetence would surprise me in the least…which is probably what has happened here…people, especially the worst of the worst, seem to be involved in things like this…I’m reminded of that old Howard Hawks comedy Monkey Business with Cary Grant…where the lab chimp mixes up the long-sought youth elixir…and unintended screwball effects ensue…

    That is what people do nowadays…fiddling with dangerous stuff they do not understand…

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  218. Salcio says:

    If one does not have any evidence then one writes such very , very, very long article.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
  219. oldmicrobiologist wrote “…If, in fact, the US has 5 strains currently and China only one …”

    Well, China published autopsy (text quoted below) reports on two “strains” of the virus in question, and did so well before [March 4] oldmicro… gave us his point of view

    From: https://tass.com/world/1126545
    ‘ “China’s National Health Commission has published autopsy results for deceased coronavirus patients, and claimed that infection sources have been determined, Xinhua agency reported Wednesday. … Besides, Chinese researchers have discovered two subtypes of the novel coronavirus with different virulence, Beijing Daily reported Wednesday citing Chinese Academy of Sciences.
    The researches have examined 103 coronavirus specimen and discovered that it underwent 149 mutations an evolved into two subtypes – S-and L-type. These subtypes were discovered in 101 specimen, and 70% of those were L-type, while 30% were S-type.
    The L-type is more virulent, the research says.
    The S-type coronavirus resembles more the virus found in bats. The researchers believe that the S-type is an “old” version of the coronavirus.
    During the early days of the outbreak in Wuhan, the L-type was widespread, but after the first week, its incidence reduced.” ‘

  220. @Tor597

    Those facts must be true, since someone posted them on the internet.

  221. Follow-up comment to the China autopsy information:
    Always in human history when there have been large movements or “migrations” of peoples, there have been epidemics. Italy is not an “outlier”. Italy has been flooded with MENA and other migrants from other places. I would have been very surprised if Italy was showing no consequences of the coronavirus.
    Epidemics are normal and given the increased population and the truly malicious neoliberal “supernatural belief system” of globalized “free markets” — it is no wonder we are having epidemics SARS, H1N1, MERS, now SARS-Cov-2 (the syndrome being labeled Covid-19) all in the recent two decades.
    There is nothing about this that merits theorizing of bioweapons. But the Chinese CDC and other Chinese biomedical people, and yes, the Chinese government, deserve great appreciation from all corners of the globe.

  222. @John Chuckman

    This anon that you replied to thinks deaths are 100% OK as long as they are non christians.

    If you are not a christian, it is OK to kill you according to him.

    That is about as nutty as it gets.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  223. ivan says:
    @anonymous

    What fabrication? it is the truth that Chicap researchers are banned from Nagaland. Stick to the main point instead of beating around the bush: if the Chicap researchers can go to Nagaland to study bat coronaviruses then they sure as hell can obtain the magical five strains deemed necessary for the wuhan virus. Just because African lions are native to Africa does not mean they cannot be transported anywhere else as the zoos attest.

  224. Tor597 says:
    @utu

    It was theorized that Iran was targetted by a Bio-Weapon that was genetically targetted against them. And that Italians are susceptible to the same virus as the Iranians due to some genetic similarity.

  225. Art says:

    Few here, bitch more than myself about the government.

    But I refuse to believe that this coronavirus was propagated by the US government.

    Yes – we are criminal, crazy, and totally incompetent – but we are not totally and completely evil.

    Art

    • Thanks: Lot
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  226. Pft says:

    Covid condensed 2019/2020 timeline

    [MORE]

    2019-A study that discovered still more new strains of “novel bat coronavirus” . Titled “Discovery and Characterization of Novel Bat Coronavirus Lineages from Kazakhstan.The study was entirely funded by the U.S. Department of Defense, specifically the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) as part of a project investigating coronaviruses similar to MERS.
    Some of the study’s authors are affiliated with Duke University.

    July 18, 2019 .The CDC sent a cease and desist order to USAMRIID concerning the Fort Detrick laboratory. Partially reopens in November with embedded CDC researchers. Nice cover story.

    September 20, 2019 – ID2020 and partners launch program to provide digital ID with vaccines

    October 18, 2019 Bill Gates funded study of Event 201 at Hopkins University simulating a pandemic eerily similar to Wuhan Virus. Attended by George Gao of China CDC

    October 2019. Italy raised $7 billion on Wednesday with its first U.S. dollar bond in nearly a decade, a move that helps to diversify funding sources for the world’s third-biggest public debtor and gives the US a piece of the pie if they default.

    November 7, 2019 -Bill Gates predicted a coronavirus-style pandemic would sweep the population in a Netflix documentary , in episode titled Next Pandemic. In the episode, titled The Next Pandemic, producers visit a wet market in Lianghua, China, where animals are killed and their meat is sold in the same place. Bit of Preprogramming there me thinks

    November 17, 2019 -Retrospective studies point to this date when the first COVID-19 patient was treated in Wuhan

    November 20 2019 . A patent is approved related to coronavirus vaccines is owned by Pirbright Institute (formerly the Institute for Animal Health) which is partially owned or funded by the Gates foundation.

    Jan 3, 2020- After Wuhan Public Security investigation and detention of eight doctors who posted on social media about the virus and were accused of spreading “illegal and false” information, the eight were made to sign a Letter saying that they had “severely disrupted social order.” State media followed this up with reminders from the police that it would pursue anyone else who spread false rumors. 

    Dr. Li’s subsequent death generated 800 million comments on Weibo by midnight and over 80,000 Chinese have been infected to date (SARS killed 800 people).

    January 11, 2020-china publicly releases gene sequences for new coronaviruses. Inovio’s COVID-19 vaccine, INO-4800, was developed in just 3 hours once the COVID-19 sequence was deposited in data banks for public access

    January 13, 2020 Researchers at Moderna and the NIH choose sequence for an mRNA vaccine and began to mobilize toward clinical manufacture.

    January 13,2020 Former CDC director Julie L. Gerberding sold 102,000 shares of Mercks stock (she is EVP) . The stock was sold at an average price of $90 for a total transaction of $9,119,000

    January 15, 2020 China and US sign trade deal

    January 18, 2020 -After 16 consecutive days of no new cases being announced new cases explode as China changes diagnostic criteria

    January 22, 2020- Davos 2020 held.

    January 23, 2030 -Wuhan locked down and quarantined. Other cities and provinces follow the next days when New Year holidays begin. Millions were able to travel before the quarantine

    January 23, 2020. The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) unveiled funding for early-stage vaccine programs. 

    Moderna disclosed that it’s working with federal researchers on a candidate, and now it’ll have financial backing from CEPI. 

    Pennsylvania-based Inovio Pharmaceuticals scored $9 million in funding for its own program, and CEPI is further expanding a partnership with the University of Queensland.

    The University of Queensland is also receiving CEPI funds has ties to DARPA and extensive connections to Chinese Universities including Wuhan Institute of Technology. Backdoor to China?

    Moderna’s mRNA treatments, including its mRNA vaccines, were largely developed using a $25 million grant from DARPA and it often touts is strategic alliance with DARPA in press releases.

    Separately, the CEPI grant will cover Inovio’s development costs through phase 1 for the biotech’s candidate, dubbed INO-4800. The vaccine is based on Inovio’s DNA medicine platform. In 2018, CEPI awarded Inovio up to $56 million over five years for its work on Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and Lassa fever vaccine candidates.  

    Inovio was involved in the Zika outbreak response as well and reached human testing with its vaccine candidate in just seven months, but has yet to take a product through to an approval. Moderna doesn’t have any approved drugs or vaccines, either.

    Inovio was also recently awarded over $8 million from the U.S. military to develop a small, portable intradermal device for delivering DNA vaccines jointly developed by Inovio and USAMRIID.

    Inovio’s MERS vaccine program began in 2018 in partnership with CEPI in a deal worth $56 million. The program is partnered with U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) and the NIH, among others.

    Inovio’s also collaborated with the U.S. military on Ebola and Marburg which were also part of an “active biodefense program” and has “garnered multiple grants from the Department of Defense, Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and other government agencies.”

    Inovio Pharmaceuticals has direct access to the Chinese pharmaceutical market through its partnership with China’s ApolloBio Corp., which currently has an exclusive license to sell Inovio-made DNA immunotherapy products to Chinese customers.

    On January 23, 2020 the Shi Zhengli team published an article on bioRxiv preprinted version of the platform titled, “A pneumonia outbreak associated with a new coronavirus of probable bat origin.” The report proposed that the new Wuhan Coronavirus was derived from bats.

    January 24, 2020 Netflix releases Pandemic docu-series, an eerily timed documentary about pandemics, and obviously production began well before the Wuhan pandemic. As theaters and Cinemas plan to close , and sports entertainment is ended, Netflix should experience a boon in business as people hide in their caves and turn to streaming on Smart TV’s.

    January 23, 2020- A report from HK Reuters reports President Xi Jinping is enlisting technology giants including $474 billion Tencent and insurance group Ping An to develop an algorithm that can predict the transmission of influenza and other infectious diseases with 90%-plus accuracy. Elsewhere, the likes of $50 billion video-surveillance specialist, Hikvision, are helping Beijing develop high-tech, digitally-connected surveillance urban areas.

    More than 500 so-called smart cities are already being built across China, according to government figures, equipped with sensors, cameras, and other gadgets that can crunch data on everything from traffic and pollution, to public health and security. That market could top 103 billion yuan ($15 billion) in revenue by 2023, according to research commissioned by facial-recognition startup Megvii. 

    The tech will be deployed to detect unusual numbers of feverish people in train stations, while simultaneously cross-referencing healthcare history based on facial recognition and other identification means, travel records and weather patterns.

    On Jan 27th, Shi Zhengli submitted the registration information of RaTG13 bat virus referred to in her Jan 23 preprint article, showing that the virus was isolated from the feces of Yunnan horseshoe bats (chrysanthemum bat) as early as July 24, 2013. It was never mentioned in any of her previous papers.

    On January 28 it was reported the US has charged a Harvard professor and two Chinese researchers based in Boston with assisting the Chinese government. Harvard department chair Charles Lieber is accused of lying about his connections, while the researchers were charged with being foreign agents.

    The Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, received more than $15m (£11.5m) in grants from the US National Institute of Health and the US Department of Defence.

    January 28 -AbCellera Biologics Inc. has started a program to discover mAbs as potential treatments for patients infected with the 2019-nCoV
    .The work is being undertaken via a contract the Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency (DARPA) awarded to AbCellera in 2018 to lead the development of the Pandemic Prevention Platform (P3) program, a rapid response platform against pandemic viral threats.

    Jan 31, 2020 -Trump declares US-China travel ban

    Feb 14, Pandemic Prevention Platform – or P3 set up 2 years ago and funded by the Defense Advanced Research Agency – Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, announced plans to respond rapidly to COVID-19 until a vaccine is developed. The first part of the plan is to identify antibodies and get antibodies from people who’ve been infected with COVID-19 and recovered. The second part is to develop a drug that can be used based on these antibodies. They plan to try and just take the genetic material that codes for these antibodies and put that into people and alter their DNA so as to let the people’s own cells make the antibody. It’s only been tested in tens of patients, so its experimental.
    They may have something ready in as soon as 90 days.

    Altering a populations DNA with a fast tracked (untested) treatment .What could go wrong. LOL. Depopulation here we come.

    Feb 19, 2020- The Lancet published an unprecedented “correspondence” from twenty-seven (27) co-authors who condemned “conspiracy theories” related to the outbreak. (3)

    The Lancet is financed by RELX’s foremost investor, Capital Research and Management Company. This is a wholly-owned subsidiary of The Capital Group Companies, Inc., which ranks among the world’s oldest and largest investment management organizations, with over $2 trillion in assets under management. The company is owned by some of the world largest companies based in the U.S., Europe and Asia, each heavily invested in healthcare and disease response.

    Feb 24, 2020 Moderna began shipping vials from a plant in Norwood, Mass., to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in Bethesda, Md., for a planned clinical trial to test its safety.

    Feb 26, 2020 – SCMP reports Tencent teams up with ‘Sars hero’ Zhong Nanshan on AI, big data lab to combat coronavirus and predict outbreaks through the use of big data and artificial intelligence.

    March 10, 2020 -Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute is asking for volunteers to participate in a NIAID funded study that will test an “investigational vaccine” for SARS-CoV-2, which is the virus that causes COVID-19. The experimental vaccine is an mRNA nucleic acid vaccine, meaning it is made up of a segment of mRNA rather than the whole virus.

    Their plan is to enroll 45 people between 18 and 55, who will get two shots of Moderna’s investigational vaccine, about a month apart. Why not enroll older people who are most seriously affected and most likely to be vaccinated (unless vaccines are mandated).

    March 11, 2020 WHO declares COVID-19 a global pandemic . WHO is now receiving more than half of its yearly budget from private sources .
    Bill Gates has given more than one billion dollars to the WHO. Private funding of WHO has brought WHO much closer to the pharmaceutical industry. It is a political organization. Its director is not a scientist. Pandemic Bond investors weep.

    March 11- Trump declares US-Europe travel ban (ex UK). Basically requiring Europeans to have to go through UK to enter US . That should help UK with Trade negotiations with EU.

    March 13, 2020. Trump declares national emergency. Under regulations revised and reissued by Obama just before Trump entered office, the government can stop and seize any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of contagious disease. Some even interpret the statute as meaning a president could deploy the military to cordon off a city or state. He can detain individuals suspected as being a risk to transmit disease

    March 15-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s trial in three corruption cases has been postponed by over two months, a district court announced on Sunday as he suspends all court activities. Announces digital surveillance of citizens to halt spread of disease. He offers Gantz in a desperate bid to remain Prime Minister two options to break the political deadlock in Israel: joining a six-month emergency government with Netanyahu at the head, or a unity government that would allow Netanyahu to serve as prime minister for two more years before Gantz takes over. Covid-19 a dream come true for Bibi.

    • Thanks: Turk 152, Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Maowasayali
    , @denk
    , @Parfois1
  227. Tina says:

    Maybe ITALY has been punished by the NATO bankers (US, UK, Canada, and France) because she decided to support the Belt Road Initiative of China.

    ”The numbers have yet to reach a pandemic level with a 3% death rate. The CDC says that there were 34,000 flu/influenza related deaths during the 2018-2019 flu season and yet there was no pandemic declared. Currently, the CDC estimates that 14,000 Americans deaths from the current flu/influenza season with no certainty how many of those were misdiagnosed before the existence of the coronavirus became known.”

    With an estimated 250,000 Americans hospitalized with the flu/influenza since December, how many of those were misdiagnosed? How many sick people believe they have the coronavirus when they are only diagnosed with the flu? With no testing in the US, how accurate are any of the statistics, globally or domestically, confirming the number of infections or deaths attributed to corona or the flu/influenza?

    More than Just a Virus

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/more-than-just-virus/5706476

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  228. ivan says:
    @eah

    As you say they haven’t tried hard enough. The whole thing reminds me of cigarettes marketing in the 70s. It was the sexiest thing women could do made them so attractive and elegant. But the nineties came and all the lies spread by the advertising industry and motivated research stood exposed. But nobody cared. This will be the same. They have antennas operating at 60Gz. 60Gz is one of the resonances of water. But hey since the power output is so low we have nothing to worry about. They seem to have forgotten basic quantum mechanics. The punch that each 60GHz photon delivers goes up massively. Though they may be fewer.

    • Replies: @JRB
  229. Tor597 says:
    @utu

    Here is the link to the video that talks about Iranian and Italian genetic similarities.

    • Replies: @utu
  230. @Desert Fox

    It looks to me like the NWO is here to stay. Agenda 21 right on cue if other nations follow this…

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/03/16/france-locked-down-reporting-video-censored-a-nation-under-house-arrest/

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  231. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “ I think the American government is more totally incompetent than any of us can possibly imagine…”

    Except when executing brilliant conspiracies without a trace.

    Reminds me of the “Dancing Israeli” retardation so popular here: Israel pulled off an elaborate false flag involving large numbers of cooperative jihadis going to flight school, Osama tapes taking credit, etc.

    But the exception to this hyper competence is they felt a need to videotape a building falling, and couldn’t find a a private room with a view of the WTC, so had to get a bunch of idiots to go on a rooftop and further attract attention by “dancing.”

  232. Not a bio-warfare attack on China. China was the diversion. Global spread was unanticipated, a simple governmental miscalculation. They’re not so competent these days. The real target was Iran. Now who holds such incomprehensible hatred for Iran? That’s right, the Irish.

  233. Just thinking about our overlords actions since this thing kicked off, it smells fishy as hell.

    They’re still trying to strangle Iran with sanctions, including on medicines and supplies, just passed more sanctions on Nicaragua, still turning the screws on Venezuela. Still poking China and Russia in the chest. Still poking Cuba, who could probably help.

    Just bombed Iraq again, killing 10 or so, Iraq says the attack on US base that killed 3 was a false flag. So we’re now likely going to war with Iraq again.

    I would guess any sane person, would be like, Hey maybe we should lift the sanctions and stop bombing people for a while till this thing simmers down. But they’re doing just the opposite. Almost like this was planned before the boomer remover was unleashed.

    Still thinking about the “shock doctrine” aspect of this too. Also how will this affect the 2020 elections here in US? Could be some motive there also. There could be more than one reason why this thing was let loose.

    I don’t think the Chinese would be as evil as our overlords and do something similar to us. US has a pretty well documented history of doing these kinds of things. I hear China is also sending us medical supplies, test kits and masks. They’re not trying to put a blockade on us, regime change us, or bomb us.

    I say the US is looking like the guilty party in this story. Innocent “people” do not behave this way!

    Not good!

  234. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Every time Pompeo speaks, he lends credence to this kind of accusations. Here he is again today speaking through the WSJ’s resident neocon columnist Walter Russell Mead:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-coronavirus-opportunity-11584398121?mod=hp_opin_pos_3

    Mead basically said that per his conversation with Pompeo yesterday, China is (somehow) using this pandemic to extend their reach internationally, as Europe and USA turn inward to fight this virus.

    In both Italy and Iran, the epidemic surged first in places with large concentrations of Chinese merchants and traders. Yet as Ian Bremmer of Eurasia Group warns, the balance may tip back in China’s favor if Beijing remains focused on its global agenda and Western governments focus exclusively on their domestic concerns.

    Does this paragraph not contradict itself? The logical conclusion here would be the Italians and Iranians kick out the Chinese if that is true that the outbreak originated from places with large concentrations of Chinese merchants and traders.

    There are already signs that China hopes to use the crisis to strengthen its global position. Publicity stunts like Jack Ma’s donation of medical supplies to the U.S. show how Beijing intends to convert the disaster of the pandemic into global opportunities. Aid donations plus propaganda about the supposed superiority of China’s governance model will find sympathetic ears in many countries, especially if the U.S. and its allies are AWOL. While the crisis lasts, China will have opportunities to deepen security, economic and political relationships with governments around the world.

    Only someone as twisted as a Ziocon stooge like Pompeo could call Jack Ma’s donation a “publicity stunt”. The man cannot think beyond his hate for China. It occupies his mind 24/7. It’s becoming an unhealthy obsession for him. Even now as the whole country is gripped with fear of this virus, all he could think of is China China China, and what the next step is to take them down.

    I don’t want to believe the US is that evil to do this kind of bioweapons warfare on China and Iran, but every time Pompeo, Trump, Pence, Tom Cotton, Marco Rubio and those ziocons open their mouths, everyday when I see the headline on Breitbart, Townhall etc. calling it “Chinese coronavirus”, “Wuhan virus”, I get a little more suspicious of the true origin of this virus.

  235. @NoseytheDuke

    Agree, this is a massive psyops on the people of America by the same zionists who did the attack on the WTC and this time they weaponized the coronavirus to finish what little freedom we have left , I think they are counting their chickens before they hatch.

    They also used this virus to attack China and Russia and Iran and I hope this backfires on the bastards!

    The easiest way to control people is by terror and hysteria and this is what they are doing, it is Operation Gladio in action.

    • Agree: Robjil
  236. @Frederick V. Reed

    Well Fred, having done some hard work yourself to mock and discredit those people who have questioned the official narratives of some important events that paved the way for this, by labelling them as conspiracy theorists, I would say that you’ve been complicit in this outcome. The term useful idiot comes to mind…

    • Agree: L.K
    • Thanks: Rurik
  237. @redmudhooch

    Agree, but would place Israel among the guilty parties that created coronavirus!

  238. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Italy and Iran are two crucial stops on China’s Belt & Road Initiative, both have joined up with the Chinese on this project. It’s quite a coincidence that these are now the two hardest hit countries. We know who fears B&I the most — the Ziocons with their head puppet Pompeo. It’ll turn Eurasia into the largest trading bloc and leave the US & Israel out in the cold.

  239. @Beefcake the Mighty

    BTW, they’re not Chicoms anymore, they’re Chicaps. Please make note of it (the brain dead leftists here sure won’t).

    Apparently they’re whichever serves the current propaganda/narrative.

    When they’re throwing Muslims in “concentration camps”, or anything else we deem bad, they’re a brutal communist dictatorship.

    When their economy is the topic, of course since they’re kicking all the capitalists ass, they’re capitalist.

    Very convenient. Sadly you can’t have it both ways. So are they a brutal capitalist dictatorship? Or are the communists kicking the capitalists ass?

    My guess, is if their economy ever hit the skids, it would be blamed on communism by US. So they’re probably mostly communist….LOL

  240. @Ron Unz

    I was raised by a civil servant and from what I have read the author is indeed a real government employee telling the truth as he knows it. I am also an expert in Personality Theory & Experimental Psychology. The author is legitimate.

    RW

  241. @redmudhooch

    I say the US is looking like the guilty party in this story.

    If you have paid any attention to US politics over the past 20 years or more (lots more), you would know the US government is entirely and completely controlled by another entity. As horrible as it is to imagine, but if the US had a role in this nightmare, those people were the puppets. Doesn’t exonerate them in any way.

    • Replies: @FB
  242. @milliadasious13

    I’s clear that you don’t like Chinese people but calling them stupid just makes you seem, well… quite stupid yourself.

    “Has the U.S. done fucked up shit. Sure.”

    Is English your second or third language?

    • Thanks: John Chuckman
  243. utu says:
    @Tor597

    Thanks but not thanks. This guy just talks. I would like to see references to papers and articles he bases his opinions.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  244. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @FB

    That is what people do nowadays…fiddling with dangerous stuff they do not understand…

    The rationale for that is that other people are doing it so we have to do the same so we can produce an antidote. Taking defensive measures is entirely reasonable, indeed obligatory for any government. But to find the antidote, you have to develop the toxin, the pathogen, the nerve agent, whatever. So everyone is working furiously to come up with something even more deadly that what they already have in their arsenal — I mean, in their collection of agents for which an antidote is sought.

    China has demonstrated that COVID19 can be contained and is not, therefore, a doomsday weapon. But who knows about the next weaponized agent, or the next, or the one after that?

    How to end this insanity? An international treaty allowing any party to the agreement to subject to the closest scrutiny any facility in any treaty member country for evidence of treaty non-compliance; this to be combined with sanctions on non-treaty countries.

    Perhaps the cost both economic and in human suffering due to the present disaster will precipitate some such action to end the present insanity.

    • Replies: @FB
  245. FB says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    Yeah sure…the entire US ruling claque is just a swell bunch of guys and gals that are remotely controlled [against their will] by the evil genius Israel…otherwise they’d be bending over backwards to make your life wonderful…just keep repeating that to yourself bozo, right until they take you away in that special white jacket…

    • Replies: @Just another serf
  246. Half Back says:
    @ivan

    Well according to ‘BLOGMIRE’ the British are not telling you the whole truth!

    [MORE]

    QUOTE “””
    Let me put it this way: if I truly believed that agents of a foreign power had come to my country and had entered my home city carrying, using and discarding enough deadly nerve agent to kill thousands of people in my neighbourhood, I would not only be livid at that foreign Government; I would be absolutely furious with the British authorities for their pathetic, feeble response. Two dozen diplomats expelled in response to the use of the (apparently) deadliest nerve agent known to man, which could have wiped out half the population of Salisbury? It’s the equivalent of sentencing an attempted murderer to a £100 fine. Of course, while I accept that a declaration of war in response to such a reckless act would have been a step too far, given that Russia is a nuclear-armed country with a hugely powerful military, I would certainly want a response that was far closer to that than the paltry expelling of a few diplomats. However, the fact that those who bark the loudest about the alleged use of a nerve agent that could have killed 10,000 people are prepared to accept the expulsion of a few diplomats as an adequate response, suggests that many of them are not nearly as convinced as they make out that a lethal nerve agent was indeed used. ​Either that or they’re just a bit wet! “””
    Truly Putins top assassination agents holed up in crappy London Hotel smoking pot and cavorting with Prosties while getting camered 1000 times to Sunday on a day trip to Sailbury.

    https://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisonings-two-years-on-a-riddle-wrapped-in-a-cover-up-inside-a-hoax/

    • Replies: @ivan
  247. Tor597 says:
    @utu

    Agreed. I wish there was more info from Iranians who could cite primary content. To me the Italy-Iran angle is the real mystery here.

    But there are a couple snippets.

    https://thelevantnews.com/en/2020/03/irgc-professor-assumes-coronavirus-is-an-ethnic-weapon-built-by-usa-to-kill-iranians/

    “Look at Italy, why is the number of death so high in Italy? Italy is a European country. Our analysis shows that the Italian gene is very similar to the Iranian gene.  

    IRGC professor Interestingly, valid articles are analyzing the genes of the people around the world that show Iranian are classified right next to Italians. We are talking about something, I am assuming is “Ethnic Weapons”, biological weapon.

    Their pathogens can be more deadly for a specific race. This is not strange at all from a molecular biological perspective…”

    Followed by this tweet from Komenhei who calls it a bioattack and the response by Pompeo that it came from China.

    • Thanks: utu
  248. If we are to persuade ourselves once and for all that the coronavirus was a bioengineered weapon against China that the CIA was too stupid to realize would come back and bite the USA after they released it, we need the expertise and deep government sources of an investigative journalist the likes of Seymour Hersh and not these anonymities like Metalicman and Oldmicrobiologist. While they may have interesting things to say, their spheres of expertise are severely constrained, as has been pointed out by others above (e.g., a microbiologist is not necessarily also an expert in geopolitics). All that has been done is to array before us some interesting but ultimately not very convincing material. Stringing together inferences is not the same as unimpeachable evidence. In support of my skepticism I cite the contention early on, asserted right here on Unz.com, that only SE Asians were dying of the virus. And yet, when all is said and done, the total number of dead in Italy will likely pass those in Hubei province where the infections began. In fact, Italy is 2/3 of the way there now with more than 2000 dead. Conspiracy theories are interesting and in some ways are the lifeblood of this magazine, but just because it sounds like a conspiracy doesn’t always mean it’s deliberately suppressed truth. Some conspiracies are false.

    • Replies: @lysias
  249. @utu

    I can only speak for Toronto, but after the SARS fiasco, Ontario completely overhauled its action plan. Yes, many Canadian Chinese travel to China, and Toronto’s first two Corona cases were a Chinese Canadian couple returning from China. They self reported and paramedics arrived in hazmat suits. The couple self isolated at home. Certainly others returning from China didn’t self report, hence Corona got a foothold in Ontario. Hospitals in Ontario now have good protocols, having learned the hard way from their extreme stupidity in dealing with SARS in 2003. Ontario developed a “quick test” that can be used for Corona, results in a few hours, test positive, you go straight to isolation. It does produce false positives, so a swab goes to the Federal lab in Winnipeg, takes three days. The root of the problem is extreme bungling by the Peoples Republic of China initially, but it is my opinion that the difference between Italy and Canada is that that Canada, humbled by its failures with SARS, was forced to develop a coherant action plan, and government personnel trained in the plan and knew what to do.

    • Replies: @utu
  250. @Pft

    March 16, 2020: Moderna + DARPA injected ‘volunteer test subjects’ with their Covid-19 vaccines in Seattle, HQ of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

  251. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    I do understand your point, nevertheless, I will continue probing the anomalous, imo, case of Italy when compared with Canada.

    Take for example the area of Prato (in Tuscany near Florence) which has the highest density of Chinese population in Italy. Wiki lists 11,882 (6.32%) for Prato while the highest absolute number is Milan 18,918 (1.43%). The numbers are probably outdated as most likely they do not include illegal residents.

    On March 11 Italy had 12,246 cases.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

    So I checked what Prato had on March 11:

    https://iltirreno.gelocal.it/prato/cronaca/2020/03/11/news/coronavirus-casi-triplicati-a-prato-e-il-giorno-piu-nero-1.38580402
    Coronavirus, casi triplicati a Prato: è il giorno più nero

    “In a single day the positive cases of coronavirus in the province of Prato have tripled: from 7 to 21. It is the darkest day since the outbreak began. According to what was announced in the afternoon of today, March 11, by the bulletin of the regional council…”

    “Therefore, 314 patients are currently positive in Tuscany. This is the subdivision by signaling areas: 71 Florence, 32 Pistoia, 21 Prato (total Asl center: 124), 43 Lucca, 40 Massa Carrara, 34 Pisa, 16 Livorno (total North West Asl: 133), 12 Grosseto, 37 Siena , 14 Arezzo (total Asl southeast: 63).”

    So clearly the 2nd largest Chinese community in Italy (and first in density) with 21 cases (out of 12,246 cases in Italy) did not contribute a lot to the corona virus outbreak in Italy.

    • Replies: @utu
  252. ivan says:
    @Half Back

    Its an aptly named site – blogmire . If you go back to the initial response of the British authorities, you will find that the expulsions ordered were unprecedented. The principle was that no foreign country could order an extra-territorial assassination and that had to stop immediately. It is quite ironic that who were claiming that the British had “something to hide”, are same people who turn around and say that the allegedly feeble response confirms that they had “something to hide”. Now for sure there will be all sorts of theories whether novichok is 100 or a 1,000 times more lethal than sarin, or what happened to the Skripals’ pets, but that is all besides the point. For what is worth I too held on to the hope that maybe there was some other conspiracy involved – since I support the Russian action in Syria. But when the British made public the CCTV and tracking evidence through airports and hotels, it was as game over.

    • Replies: @I M
  253. denk says:
    @Pft

    You forget to add the NIH sponsored proj to weaponise bird flu H5N1 and H7N9, which were even publicised in 2012,
    2014,2017.

    Also the Bubonic lab set up in Kazakhstan 2013.

    Review…
    ———————-
    US used bioweapon on NK/China in 1950, including the Bubonic plague, courtesy of UNit 731 exchange program,

    [MORE]

    2003,
    China was ravaged by SARS1, a verified
    race specific bioweapon.
    [US was the only country with a certified race specific bio-weapon program.….
    ask the PNAC !]

    2014
    China hit by Bubonic plague again, total
    lock down in the border town Yumen
    [Barely one year after US build its Bubonic lab in Kazakhstan]

    China was hit by …
    H7N9 [2013, 2018]
    H5N1 [2012, 2020]
    [We know US conducted H5N1, H7N9 weaponisation research….how ?
    They publicised the results in 2012, 2015, 2017]

    2019
    China was hit by the army worm plague,
    devastating its food crop,…
    [Army worms are native to North America, how did it migrated to China ?]

    2020,
    China hit by the SARS2, er, CV, a SARS1 kin, bat coronavirus.

    [From your extensive list, especially the
    2015 Nature report, US has been doing
    extensive research on bat coronavirus
    weaponisation…..]

    IOW, China has been attacked with all kinds of bioweapons and….all of them could be traced back to you know who !

    P.S.
    Another glaring omission,
    what happens to your sources ???

  254. @FB

    ……the entire US ruling claque is just a swell bunch of guys and gals that are remotely controlled [against their will]

    The “claque” is corrupt. Controlled by their own greed and lust for power. Others compromised by actors like Epstein, due to their own moral weaknesses. Others profoundly incompetent and easily manipulated.

    Do you really believe this display is a normal state of affairs?

  255. FB says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    The rationale for that is that other people are doing it so we have to do the same so we can produce an antidote.

    Well…in theory that’s how it’s supposed to work…

    But read carefully some of the very insightful points this author drops here…

    …we can’t make countermeasures against the normal 10 agents on the high threat list (since the program’s inception in 1942) other than anthrax and smallpox for which we have had effective vaccines for decades.

    WTF…?

    So for the last eighty fucking years we haven’t been able to produce antidotes to even the basic list of biological threats…that is not a good report card at all…and in fact it underlines my point that we do not understand this stuff to any meaningful extent…much REAL work is required…

    And then this insider tells us some of the reasons for this sorry ass state of affairs…

    What happens is when you pour money into an area as happened after 9/11 all kinds of ridiculous stuff gets funded with very little oversight. The goal is to spend the money and no one really cares if any actual product is created. In fact, success means the demise of your program so the incentive is to drag it out for as long as funding is available.

    He gets even more specific…

    Used to be these programs were ‘command directed’…

    They would assemble a research group assign them the mission and give 5 years funding…

    After DTRA took over, the funding was no longer Command Directed and we were all required to go out and fuind whatever funding we could hence why we made “deals” with DHS and the CIA. We went to an annual funding cycle instead of 5 years…

    Yup…the typical American way of halfass commitment to real science…this is how the space program went from hero to zero…I know this very well…fortunately for the last thirty years or so we have the Russians to sell us space station technology [I still remember being floored when I got an actual look at the ‘Mir 2’ which ended up as the functional core of the now ‘ISS’…there was no fucking way in the world we could have built anything like that…

    This guy’s story is very familiar to me…the modus operandi is always the same…

    Even our higher command MRMC stole 6% off the top to pay for pet projects unfunded by anyone with a brain.

    So, this became the age of entrepreneurial research and the end of productive research.

    Yup…just like now our ‘entrepreneurial’ space program relies on hucksters like Conman Musk and King Bezos [and don’t forget Boeing]…

    Look the point is that yes, since everybody is doing germ research you have to do it too…but then do it right for cripes’ sake…this mickey mouse pissing around where there is no real commitment and no serious organization is simply a recipe for disaster…

    If you are perceiving that the US government biothreat programs are a complete shambles then you are not wrong.

    You know, I love to read about the war effort in the Soviet Union, where Uncle Joe had all these brilliant aircraft designers and rocket scientists toiling away while serving a prison sentence…LOL

    They would set up makeshift residential quarters right in the design offices…on the one hand I feel for these guys since it seems such a fucking indignity to treat intellectuals like that…but when we come right down to it, there is nothing that concentrates the mind like the possibility of taking one behind the ear if you don’t actually produce…

    I think it would do wonders for at least some aspects of that organizational model to be applied here…it would not be too difficult to find many Gulag candidates at this point…

  256. ivan says:
    @anonymous

    OK maybe not “banned” in the strict sense. But you can be sure they will not be allowed in again. I apologise for my earlier post.

  257. utu says:
    @Bombercommand

    I am not convinced. Ontario has only 177 cases as of March 16. This is very low. By early March only 3000 people were tested. It is over 20,000 now. So I doubt that testing had a great impact. Though it still caught an interesting cases like on Feb 20 a woman in BC who travelled from Iran. She was the sixth case of virus in BC where 540,000 Chinese lives which is 11.5 times more than number of Iranians in BC.

    In British Columbia cases 1 to 5 were from China though it does not appear infected others while cases 6, 7,…, 12 and 14, 15,…19 were traced to Iran. Then case 22 was to Iran and also case 31. Case 32 was from Italy, case 35 was from Egypt and case 37 was from Germany.

    My point is that while Canada has huge Chinese population it does not look like China was the main vector. In BC it is Iran and Europe.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-19-coronavirus-canadian-cases

  258. Wow that is a very long spew of B S in weak attempt to validate a, …”unidentified purported expert on biowarfare.”

  259. This article fails under the rules of, Occam’s razor.

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
  260. Chinaman says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Oh sorry, did I hurt your feelings ?

    btw, Did you just threaten me with nukes ? LOL…that’s the funniest thing I read on Unz so far. You do know that China have plenty of those babies too and also much more advanced ones?

    Nukes are passé, dumbass. One nuke on Yellowstone Park which sits on a super volcano is enough to wipe out human life on this planet.

    You guys got your ass kicked in Vietnam and Can’t even finish the job in Afghanistan after 17 years and you want to take on China ? What a joke…

    Don’t be a pussy. Mano a Mano. come put me back in my place. we have 2 million men waiting to push your shit in.

  261. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    Italy still bothers me. Why is it an outlier?

    Do they have the same virus strain as Canada?

    At this time of year, does Italy have more Chinese tourists than Canada? I don’t think the Chinese are big on skiing.

    Mere chance? IF Italy had a couple of super-spreaders early on, that could have kicked the thing off ahead of Canada, which has yet to see how bad things can get.

  262. @John Chuckman

    I guess that’s why you made it your hobby—except, I have some disappointing news for you:

    “All the world” does not read the Sinophilic trash published on this website full of people who’re emotionally invested in making EVERY narrative yet another America-did-it circle jerk. Phuck the lot of ya.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  263. @Astuteobservor II

    This anon that you replied to thinks deaths are 100% OK as long as they are non christians.

    If you are not a christian, it is OK to kill you according to him.

    That is about as nutty as it gets.

    Where did I say that, you lying sumbitch?

    The Chinese obviously want a war, so we may oblige them someday, and if you expect me to play nice with an obvious propagandist, you’re going to be very disappointed. Cuck off, chief.

    And by the way, I’m no more anonymous than you are, prick.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  264. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @SBaker

    We should have let the Japanese destroy China when we had the chance, maybe?

    Had America not intervened, could Japan have conquered all of China, defeating the Communists in the process? And if so, with what consequences? Would Japan have conscripted millions of subject Chinese to pursue Japan’s war with Russia? And if so, how would that have affected the war in Europe? So maybe, yes, maybe no.

  265. Parfois1 says:
    @RichardTaylor

    And if our leaders wanted to humble China, there are many available methods, from regular military to all kinds of cyber warfare. We’re far more innovative than they are and in possession of advanced technology.

    No wonder the US is stuffed! The leadership there really reflects the old dictum:

    “Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.”

    What do you expect of a country ruled by clowns? Even worse: what do you expect of a country whose people choose clowns for leaders?

    One team of clowns allows the destruction of the industrial base that was the economic engine of the country to enable the clowns’ masters get greater profits from China’s labour. Did they think the commie Chinks were that stupid and would not take advantage of the new opportunity to accelerate their own development? After all, both Taiwan and Korea were nearby examples to learn from.

    Another team of clowns later noticed that the commie Chinks were doing unexpected things (like getting sustained yearly GDP increases of 10% for about two decades) and more uppity on the international scene, therefore they came up with a new act – “pivot to Asia” (somebody show them on the map that China was somewhere in Asia) to “contain” the upstart. The navy would do the containment.

    Except the clowns did not know how far the commie Chink’s technology had grown and that they would do the unthinkable of joining Asia and Europe by land and isolating Clownland! They also improved on their original invention of fireworks to keep the clowns’ navy at bay (pardon the pun) and other things unmentioned in the clowns’ book of tricks.

    No problems, the clowns can be quite innovative (that je-ne-sais-quoi quality the commie Chinks are incapable of) and will come up with a new trick as their neocon puppet master Rover had promised. So they concocted a new potion to contain the commie Chinks in lockdown in their cities. But, in their usual clownish way, tripped on the rake, broke the bottle and inhaled the fumes from the bottle!

    Blowback and Karma hand in hand coming to Clownland.

  266. Quintus says:
    @Pheasant

    The misspelling objection to authenticity is very weak because English spelling is so arbitrary and a number of very intelligent people are very poor at spelling. F. Scott Fitzgerald, for example, author of the Great Gatsby, was notorious for his terrible spelling, giving headaches to his publishers. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a talented writer. Poor spelling is even more common among STEM people like this purported microbiologist: intelligence is compartmentalized, so some very smart people may always struggle with spelling.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  267. NPleeze says:
    @milliadasious13

    hey let’s risk WW3 and plant a virus the Chinese can’t control right next to their level 4 bio lab.

    The evil psychopaths who roost in D.C. have risked WW 3 much more aggressively than that.

    But there is another explanation, which is the accidental release of the virus from Fort Detrick. As you probably know, the CDC shut Fort Detrick in Aug. 2019 for security lapses. This implies that some actual virus was released. It makes it possible that, perhaps after several transmissions, some of the athletes participating in the World Military Games were infected and brought the disease with them, and that they traveled to Wuhan before/after the event and spread the virus.

    The only way to know for sure is to do the viral history discussed in the article. The Chinese are doing it, I bet you $1 million the US isn’t.

  268. Jack Ma’s recent donation list (as I can easily collect from Chinese internet):

    to Wuhan: 1 billion Yuan, plus: 3,000 afternoon tea + 200,000 gifts(to Nurses)
    to research centers: 100 million Yuan too develop the vaccine

    to Japan: 1 million masks, 100,000 protection suits
    to Iran: 1 million masks
    to Korea: 1 million masks
    to USA: 1 million masks, half million test kits (well certainly some Chinese netizens scold him for this behavior. Honestly, we would like to help the world to go through this hard time as much as we can to save the global economic aka save ourselves, but everyone knows that USA is the unique one)
    to EU: 1.8 million masks, 100,000 test kits
    to Africa (54 countries included): 6 million masks, 1.1 million test kits, 60,000 protection suits, 60,000 face shields.

    This list may continue as the virus continues…
    So whatever you say about him, advertising/PR whatever , he is a business leader we are proud of.

    • Agree: JRB
  269. JRB says:
    @George

    And Ohio apparently. How can they have 100 thousand infected with no deaths and until recently no detected cases? See https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/ohio-department-of-health-says-100-000-ohioans-are-carrying-coronavirus

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
    , @anonymous
  270. NPleeze says:
    @milliadasious13

    Following up on my post above, which I am unable to edit: so per your #1, the virus could have been released accidentally from Fort Detrick.

    But there is also of course a more sinister explanation of the CDC closure, and your observation about risk of war. Black ops always use the cover of “plausible deniability”. The CDC closure could have been orchestrated by the psychopaths in DC to provide a cover story in the event their crimes were discovered.

    Either scenario would explain why the “security apparatuses” are coordinating the COVID-19 response in the US, who have pushed civilian health authorities out of the way, and why their meetings are “classified”.

  271. JRB says:
    @ivan

    There seems to be a correlation between rollout of 5G and excessive dying of Corona-disease. The Swiss government made a intelligent decision and postponed further rollout of 5G

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Tor597
    , @SBaker
  272. JRB says:
    @naill

    So the death of Frank Plummer is just a coincidence ? see https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51317386

  273. @FB

    Yup…just like now our ‘entrepreneurial’ space program relies on hucksters like Conman Musk and King Bezos [and don’t forget Boeing]…

    Wasn’t Richard Branson also on this billionaire’s space race at some point? I can’t keep track of these clowns selling advance tickets on their space flights into orbit, to the moon, Mars, their space hotels.

  274. Realist says:
    @JimDandy

    How are things over there in China, anyway?

    Great…it is much better living among the intelligent, than some of the dumb bastards in the US.

  275. ivan says:
    @JRB

    Swiss and Germans apparently have scientists in charge of their policies. Some of the others have generalist MBAs who think they know everything by taking the “helicopter” view.

    • Replies: @JRB
  276. NPleeze says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    yet another America-did-it circle jerk

    Bottom line is the US is the greatest evil on the planet by leaps and bounds. The fact that as an Empire it sucks up a huge portion of the world’s resources to dedicate to its machines of death and destruction, surveillance and deception, is the foundation for its sordid criminality.

    And it constantly and maliciously falsely accuses others of crimes which, even if true, pale in comparison to its own.

    Those who support evil, are evil. Elementary logic, my dear.

    • Replies: @John Chuckman
  277. NPleeze says:
    @Lot

    ZioNazi ramblings are abundant with “Lot”, the Satanic Yahweh worshiper.

  278. Parfois1 says:
    @Pft

    Great work, thank you.

  279. NPleeze says:
    @RichardTaylor

    What’s the gain anyone was looking for? To wipe out all China? Why

    No, to do that they would have used a bioweapon with a much higher death rate. As the writer posits, many weapons are designed to wound instead of kill. To reduce China as an economic threat, they would unleash a virus that would shut down the economy and cost enormous resources devoted to medical care. It’s like a fistfight vs. a fight to the death. Like the US ruthlessly and barbarically murdering General Soleimani, instead of taking on the entire Iranian military.

    Is the concept of limited war really that fucking hard to grasp?

    We’re far more innovative than they are and in possession of advanced technology.

    All I see in the US leadership, from Slick Willie to the Shrub to the Anointed One to the Orange Satan, is utter incompetence, corruption and evil. US is extremely evil and resting on its laurels, and uses primarily foreigners to develop its technology, since its own population has been dumbed down to near retard levels.

    China generates more STEM PhDs per year than US STEM BSs – and most of those STEM BSs are going to Indians and Chinese.

    Keep waving your US flag, but reality doesn’t care about (evil) bravado and the Evil Empire is self-destructing due to profound evil, endemic corruption and arrogant stupidity.

    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  280. I M says:
    @ivan

    You reveal yourself as a troll by having us assume that because they lied about one thing. I.e that some Russian agents were ‘looking after’ Skripal or that something was going on, that we should take the hideously moronic claims of “oMg! Putin Chemical attack!” (Right in time to nullify the soft power benefits of the Fifa World Cup and take the narrative off British skullduggery in Syria), seriously.

    Here,

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
    , @ivan
    , @Olivier1973
  281. PROBLEM,REACTION,SOLUTION-The Hegelian dialectic at work. It’s the seasonal flu re-named the coronavirus for propaganda purposes , there’s no reliable or accurate test for COVID-19 so the massmedia is reporting alleged cases of the flu as Coronavirus , in any event even if the Coronavirus exists it’s a variant of the flu , that’s why so many old people are dying in Italy. Each Winter the flu virus muatates , and this Winter is no different.Both the CDC ,WHO and the NIH have been accused of corruption by former employees and the the CDC has been accused of exaggerating the number of flu cases and deaths from the flu in order to sell the flu vaccine. The CDC through its foundation owns patents and makes money from the sale of vaccines, it has a conflict of interest. Cases of the alleged Coronavirus are declining rapidly with the onset of warmer weather in China ,so I am hopeful we will soon see a substantial decline of cases in Europe and the US and elsewhere , unless the elites wish to keep the psyop going by whipping up hysteria by inserting more “fear porn” into stories being reported in the massmedia , which they own and control.

  282. JRB says:
    @ivan

    I think you are too optimistic about the capabilities of the German government.

  283. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s some food for thought. This paper from 2018 describes coronaviruses in bats and the role of the ACE2 receptor. The risk of “species hopping” is hinted at. Everything adds up to me.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/10/12/727/htm

  284. @Johnwho

    That’s much too harsh an assessment.

    No, comments aren’t as freewheeling as on Unz, but they are pretty reasonable for a large commercial news source. Better than most.

    I’ve posted some pretty tough criticisms of the Trudeau government, virtually all of them were posted.

    If you want to experience real “Big Brother” control of comments, spend a while at The Guardian.

    Here is a tight little summary of the way they do serious censorship while pretending to be open and progressive:

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/john-chuckman-comment-how-to-have-a-powerful-censorship-system-without-most-people-ever-finding-out-britains-guardian-newspaper-is-expert-at-it-all-while-it-poses-as-a-progressive-and-open-news/

  285. Pixie says:
    @ivan

    Find a busy road, go lie on to, Ivan.

  286. Chinese scientists have discovered an interesting fact about the virus.

    People with Type A blood are most susceptible to it.

    People with Type O, the least susceptible.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  287. JT says: • Website
    @Pheasant

    he was infected by the same virus of incompetence which he describes 😉

  288. Tor597 says:
    @JRB

    Yeah, that’s why Corona Virus wiped out Korea lol.

    The Swiss should go back to land lines to offer maximum protection.

  289. @JRB

    One hundred thousand seems like a lot but you have to remember the early cases, because of paucity of tests, are not listed as confirmed cases. If infections were doubling every few days before more than a few percent were showing serious symptoms (symptoms delayed by a relatively long incubation period) AND getting tested and confirmed as cases. My own view is that we won’t know if the crude “guess” this woman made was accurate until we see hospitals start filling up in Ohio.

    If this was a biological attack on adversaries of ZOG, I would expect the results in America will not be catastrophic, just enough to be plausible deniability and also allow for some desired changes in national policy that might otherwise be refused.

    • Replies: @JRB
  290. @I M

    The British could have hired two “Russians” (real or fake russkies) to make the trip and walk in front of the cameras.

  291. @Eugene Norman

    If some day you learn to read, along with your ability to spout garbage, you will find I, or the few like minded here are simply trying to warn of the dangers of 5G and other forms of electromagnetic radiation contamination. We are saying they are using this supposed “virus” as a cover story for something far more dangerous.
    Viruses are simply excretions of a toxic cell. Viruses are pieces of DNA or RNA, with a few other proteins, they but out from the cell. They happen when the cell is poisoned. They are not the cause of anything.
    Do yourself a favor and get yoself a little “edjumacation”. There is no reading required and the video is only 10 minutes long. I’m pretty sure you will be able to hang.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=zFN5LUaqxOA&feature=emb_logo

  292. anaccount says:

    I wonder if all of these overzealous “China Did It” and/or DC fact checkers realize that they are doing more damage than good. One of the reasons why I take Ron’s comments seriously is the over the top reaction from these new accounts. If you spend enough time on Unz the reaction is unmistakable.

    You almost get the feeling that they or someone they care about have been caught doing something very naughty. Some of us were going to drop it but you sparked my interest at least.

    Perhaps I should thank you, predictable DC shills and purveyors of basic bitch conspiracy theories.

  293. I M says:
    @GazaPlanet

    Yeah sure, but I’m just thinking about the way the interview was handled with those guys, though I think it’s generally irrelevant what they were or what kind of spy games were going on as long as its understood that the “Putinz chemical atack!” narrative is bullshit.

  294. I am perfectly able to read. 5G is a radio or electromagnetic signal. Like 4G. Like 3G. Like normal radio signals. Like WiFi. Unless you can prove there’s something special about this frequency – and I mean scientific studies not some half wittery on the internet – then your ideas are worthless. Why is 5G bring rolled out? To increase download speeds. That’s also why 4G replaced 3G. And why 3G replaced edge. The rise in mobile data use. Nothing too conspiratorial there.

    I have a scientific degree so I’ll probably give your video a miss. And of course viruses cause things, they cause disease.

    If I had a conspiracy theory about these kind of insane conspiracies it would be that they are planted to discredit all other conspiracies, and depend on a low level of education. Which is probably why it is being dumbed down. Conspiracies happen all the time, the sense is in ignoring the nonsense.

    • Agree: SBaker
  295. @GazaPlanet

    “The British could have hired two “Russians” (real or fake russkies) to make the trip and walk in front of the cameras.”

    That’s a conspiracy I could get behind. Although as with all conspiracies you should just engage in probabilities. I’m 50/50 on the assassination of JFK for instance.

    Except they were definitely Russians. Not fake for sure. And why hire them? All you need is a camera catching some Russians somewhere near Salisbury within a few days of the incident. The cc tv camera work didn’t even assure me they were the same guys.

    The whole poisoning thing was a debacle though which increases the chances it was British intelligence.

  296. Che Guava says:

    I will certainly read all of this article.

    However, I have a strong feeeling that the effects of the Wuhan virus (which is the name my Chinese friend uses) are greatly exagerated.

    The small company that I have to work through, because of a new (well, five years agn) law ‘against independent contractors, has zero cases

    Tomorrow, I will ask someooe at the real customer. With tens of thourands of employees, I have not heard of one case. I may well have already caught it, I had a strangely persistent cold from Dec last year to earlly Feb. It is a phantd menace, behng useed by ill-willd (most ) to cheapen stock pricer.

  297. I M says:
    @Eugene Norman

    I don’t have a science degree so do forgive my ignorance but from what I understand being exposed to such and such EMR is generally bad for you and 5g by virtue of it’s being a much stronger source of radiation is basically much worse. I don’t the extent to which it impacts the immune system but the effects on men’s sperm count has been well documented. That’s one hell of a conspiracy in and of itself though I don’t think in this case we need to go down the rabbit hole so to speak, just assuming negligence towards the negative effects are enough.

    Then again I don’t really know anything about this so feel free to correct me.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  298. LLL says:
    @Pheasant

    It’s not ironic as he claims, that this virus is bringing down the economy. Despite his campaigning against the stock market, Trump hitched his presidency to it after the election. Therefore, Trump does not benefit from this stock market crash. Who benefits? The elites who want him out of office and have been attacking him for years.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @NPleeze
    , @SBaker
  299. Recommended reading on Chinese suspicions:

    https://journal-neo.org/2020/03/17/covid-19-exposing-the-very-worst-of-america/

    I’m not a fan of this author, but this is well-done piece.

  300. I M says:
    @FB

    When talking about the first responders and what training they had from I heard the first person on the scene happened to be the UKs top ranking military nurse which is an INSANE coincidence in and of itself.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
  301. @FB

    The “except for power and proximity” is doing a lot of work there. I have yet to be cooked by my mobile phone. Or the nearest cell tower.

    The topic is about 5G, not radio signals in general. A general concern about cancer makes some sense but it would be wiser to control the distance from your phone or even the WiFi. The square distance law matters. And your phone is so much closer that in most cases the radiation from the phone is higher than all but a very close and powerful tower. Hold the phone like they do in the apprentice.

    This is a world away from the idea that 5G is being used to control the population and depopulate the earth, a la agenda 21.

    A conspiracy I could get behind is that business (or indeed society) is ignoring increases in brain cancer because we they want more profits and we want more data. That’s good for business. Depopulating the earth with evil radiation isn’t.

    Some sober debunking of the supposed risk of 5G here:

    https://www.howtogeek.com/423720/how-worried-should-you-be-about-the-health-risks-of-5g/

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  302. denk says:
    @ivan

    [Off-topic comments are likely to get trashed.]

    • Replies: @TT
  303. @NPleeze

    All I see in the US leadership, from Slick Willie to the Shrub to the Anointed One to the Orange Satan, is utter incompetence, corruption and evil. US is extremely evil and resting on its laurels, and uses primarily foreigners to develop its technology, since its own population has been dumbed down to near retard levels.

    Pity the Americans! We are nothing to Jews but as lowly goyim (cattle to be fattened and butchered).

    [MORE]

  304. CanSpeccy says:
    @FB

    but when we come right down to it, there is nothing that concentrates the mind like the possibility of taking one behind the ear if you don’t actually produce…

    I’ll have to re-read Solzhenitzyn’s The First Circle, but I doubt if terror is the best way to drive good research.

    This author draws attention to the problem of often totally insane research management. About that, he’s right. Most scientists that are any good at their job, know what the real problems are and how best to tackle them. The problem is that in the public sector there will always be a know-nothing management hierarchy that presumes to superior knowledge.

    That is why the universities were central to most of the key scientific developments of the 20th century. However, as universities have been transformed from self-governing communities of scholars to bureaucratically managed purveyors of political correctness, most university research is converging in uselessness with that conducted in the government sector.

  305. lysias says:
    @Weston Waroda

    You assume the blowback was not intended. Killing the old and sickly is not a bug but a feature.

  306. @Eugene Norman

    Ask and ye shall receive buckwheat…
    Scientific Research On 5G, 4G Small Cells, Wireless Radiation And Health
    https://ehtrust.org/scientific-research-on-5g-and-health/

  307. Polemos says:
    @Sean

    Israel did not have a delegation of athletes at the Wuhan Military Games, according to the list of participants at the Wikipedia entry for the games. And, I didn’t try too hard, but it also looked from the searching I did that they haven’t sent a team for the previous games.

    Not saying they didn’t do it, but people were quick to note the US was there in Wuhan for the games but didn’t say much about who else was there or wasn’t there. I don’t always follow what the magician’s hands are doing, though.

    Also, if the accidental release were at Fort Dietrich, what if US soldiers or others in the military have been unwittingly(/witting to someone?) spreading it, and that’s why Defender 2020 is still going forward while the Pentagon is also locking down base personnel. Useful vectors to further destabilize Europe, while also blaming the ‘other side’ for infecting US personnel engaged in peaceful operations, leading to heightened threats and bluster, further lockdowns and obstructions to understanding bigger pictures.

    Speculation! 😅

    • Replies: @NPleeze
    , @derer
  308. NPleeze says:
    @Eugene Norman

    5G is a radio or electromagnetic signal

    So is a 1200 Watt microwave oven. Stick your cat in there and you’ll see that power levels due, in fact, make a difference.

    5G has a shorter wavelength to permit more data (think of it as 1 bit of data can be placed in each “up and down” of the wave so higher frequency wavelengths carry more data). This results in lower transmission distances as higher frequency waves degrade faster / don’t pass through materials, such as walls, as easily.

    Thus 5G is requiring massively greater power of microwaves (the 5G waves are in the microwave range), many of which are generated by a phone < 1 cm from your brain.

    On top of that, there will be vastly more transmission towers, ever closer, and generating much more powerful signals (microwaves). Combine that with a whole system of satellites that will be covering the entire planet with this high-frequency, powerful radiation (to "fill the gaps"), and you are talking about a massive increase in microwave energy. All going through your brain.

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
  309. Polemos says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Maybe ‘nebutistic’ is closer to how OldMicro says the word, giving some insight to his accent/dialect.

  310. NPleeze says:
    @LLL

    The elites who want him out of office and have been attacking him for years.

    Why would they want their loyal servant out of office? Don’t confuse the rhetoric of the fake democracy in the US with reality, which you clearly do. It’s all a show. Both teams obviously play for the same owners.

    The Orange Satan has done nothing significant against illegal immigration / illegal immigrants (just a bunch of talk to fool his cultist followers); he’s given them trillions in tax cuts; he’s signing Executive Orders barring “hate speech” (grossly expanded) on college campuses; his ambassadors are forcing countries to accept homosexuality; etc., etc., etc.

    He is a Globalist Liberal (plus ZioNazi) with some conservative rhetoric. TrumpTARDs are stupid enough to fall for it.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  311. NPleeze says:
    @Polemos

    In the case of a deliberate release, using the Wuhan games as cover makes no sense. Americans are constantly traveling to Wuhan for business, I have a friend who has been there several times. And if you were doing it deliberately you would not want to use a military event.

    The Military Games fits an accidental release from Fort Detrick that was not properly contained and has now spread.

    That does not mean it was not a deliberate bioattack, but it’s also not been proven that the Word Military Games had China’s “patient zero”.

    Regarding these reports that five “foreigners” were hospitalized, no doubt China knows who they were and what symptoms they suffered but despite their growing accusations against the US, I haven’t heard them mention these games and their participants as having been the source. Doing so would allow them to accuse the US without necessarily making it seem like a deliberate attack (e.g. just saying that’s where it started and some infected people participated in the games).

    • Replies: @hcl
  312. NPleeze says:
    @Ron Unz

    According to this article,

    The average age of patients who died and tested positive for COVID-2019 is 81 years, are mostly men and in more than two-thirds of cases have three or more pre-existing conditions.

    It was a limited test group (and given my ignorance of Italian, I cannot confirm it is authentic by cross-checking); is there data that contradicts it?

    If that in case is the victim group, sure the numbers can mushroom in nursing homes, but eventually the target population will be eliminated and the cases will drop.

    Not that I am callous about the elderly, but two basic facts: (1) they do not contribute to society (and in fact their death relieves social security costs) and hence no need to shut down the economy to “save them” (they’re not in it), and (2) it would be sufficient (and of course desirable! in counterpoint to the prior observation) to apply protective measures to the vulnerable groups, rather than to all society, esp. the productive members (i.e., shutting down the economy due to cries of “Wolf”).

  313. @NPleeze

    If we’re back to microwave ovens then we should perhaps ban all mobile towers since they in that transmit in the microwave range. I heard this rhetoric when cell towers first appeared. I’ve yet to be cooked. They all transmit microwaves.

    The rest of your post is also incorrect but I’ve posted that link.

  314. JRB says:
    @GazaPlanet

    The weather in Ohio in February and March has been ideal for the virus to spread at a rapid rate (temperatures between 5 and 12 degrees Celsius). What I’m wondering about is that the number of severe cases and deaths is not all consistent with what we see in Europe. Without having investigated her assumptions in detail myself, I would not dismiss the claims of this woman out of hand. Statistical methods have turned out to be quite effective to determine the spread of the virus. My guess it’s a combination of lack of testing (until quite recently) and maybe, just maybe in some parts of the USA they have a more benign strain of the virus then in Europe.

  315. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @NPleeze

    ” (1) they do not contribute to society (and in fact their death relieves social security costs) and hence no need to shut down the economy to “save them” (they’re not in it), and…”

    And destroy traditional knowledge and historical memory. Not a contribution? Destruction of traditional knowledge, a goal of the controllers. The Russians, and others can often be heard saying something about ‘no historical memory’ in westerners. Santayana anyone?

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  316. hcl says:
    @NPleeze

    The bioattack was likely ordered by Steve Pieczenick, who heads military special operations.

    He would require willing agents. That is why it went through the military: the military junta backs Trump. The attack did not go through the CIA (being under globalist control.)

    The second stage could only be Mossad (against Iran.)

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  317. @NPleeze

    These people have been paying into their pension schemes and have every right to collect what they paid and the accrued interest minus whatever administrative costs. Killing them off is not just murder but also theft by the state and the private pension agencies of the pensions they owe them.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  318. utu says:
    @utu

    The Chinese in Italy are mostly form Zhejiang province:

    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/12/WS5e697518a31012821727e532.html
    More than 300,000 people from Zhejiang live and work in Italy.

    Zhejiang province was the second. hardest hit after Hubei province:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/hundreds-of-miles-from-hubei-another-30-million-chinese-are-in-coronavirus-lockdown/2020/02/07/03a08282-48b9-11ea-8a1f-de1597be6cbc_story.html
    Across the coastal province of Zhejiang, the worst-hit area after Hubei province

    However on Feb 9 when total cases in China (Hubei province) were already 40,000 Zhejiang reported only 1,000:

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/zhejiang-land-opportunity-under-semi-quarantine-thanks-coronavirus-121761
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

    The only new cases in Zhejiang now are from people returning from Italy:

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/03/c_138838575.htm
    East China’s Zhejiang Province reported seven new confirmed cases of novel coronavirus infection on Monday, all of which are imported cases from people returning from Italy, local authorities said Tuesday.

    • Replies: @ivan
  319. NPleeze says:
    @Eugene Norman

    since they in that transmit in the microwave range

    You’re not discussing in good faith. I kept repeating and emphasizing the increased power and increased proximity of the towers, nor did I ever claim that 5G would bring your brain to a boil.

    Obviously you know close to nothing about electromagnetism (something I studied at the graduate level in electrical engineering) but want to baffle the similarly unfamiliar with your bullshit.

    “The rest of your post is also incorrect” – lol, sure it is. See above.

  320. NPleeze says:
    @hcl

    That is why it went through the military: the military junta backs Trump.

    Even if all that were true, China, despite some propaganda you may have swallowed, is a pretty open society. Americans can and do travel freely. They could send the same military agents as tourists or reporters or whatever. Makes no sense to send them qua military folks.

  321. NPleeze says:
    @Anon

    And destroy traditional knowledge and historical memory.

    Right, because only sick 80 year olds have that. There are no recordings, like books, videos and other media, either.

    And nobody’s talking about deliberately killing them. It’s about targeting the martial laws (if there must be any, I’m against them all and believe in education and free choice, people can take risks, even … gasp! … skydive or snowboard) at the vulnerable groups instead of everyone.

    Destruction of traditional knowledge, a goal of the controllers.

    Until about a generation ago, almost nobody lived to be 80. I guess your “traditional knowledge” must start in the 1950s :).

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Anon
  322. Chinaman says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    This insightful post that is worthy of responding, why does China “obviously” want a war?

    Why would they want a war with USA?

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  323. utu says:
    @utu

    ” when they start triaging away old people and let them die in quarantine isolation away from friends and families who possibly could intervene to prolong their lives.”

    An example of Italian coronavirus death porn:

    https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/doctor-reveals-dying-patients-last-calls/3971967/
    “They are lucid, they do not go into narcolepsy. It is as if they were drowning, but with all the time to understand it.”

    Describing the last patient to die before her on the same evening she spoke to Il Giornale, the doctor said the dying person was a grandmother who wanted to see her granddaughter.

    “I pulled out the phone and called her on video,” she said of one dying grandmother’s request to see her granddaughter.

    “They said goodbye. Soon after she was gone.

    “By now I have a long list of video calls. I call it a farewell list.

    “I hope they give us iPad mini, three or four would be enough, not to make them die alone.”

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  324. lysias says:
    @NPleeze

    Almost nobody? Bertrand Russell lived to be 97, Arnold Toynbee to be 85, George Bernard Shaw to be 94, Jean Sibelius to be 91 , and Richard Strauss to be 85.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  325. Turk 152 says:

    This is the response I get to the bioweapon theory arguement when I run it by Ivy League biochem faculty:

    “We aren’t smart enough to make such a perfect virus. If it is that good and far more advanced then our current capabilities, we assume it is natural. Nature is far better at this than we are.”

    I dont think anyone has addressed this view yet and I won’t pretend I have the background to do so.

    • Replies: @Denis
  326. NPleeze says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Wow you are one hysterical strawman-creator. Nobody said anything about killing them off, and fuck you for insinuating I did. You are obviously suffering from mass hysteria, check your brain before your next post.

    have every right to collect what they paid

    Nobody’s denying that either, hysterical little girl, but, as a point of fact, those in their 80s are probably (not 100% sure about Italy) collecting vastly more than they paid, esp. if you also include medical care.

  327. NPleeze says:
    @lysias

    Bertand Russell died 1970, not 1870. Toynbee in 1975; Shaw in 1950; in 1957; etc.

    A handful of people lived to old age before WW II but you haven’t named a single one.

    And life expectancy was much lower than the 80s! Indeed, if you look at life expectancy of a 10yo (to get rid of deaths in child birth and infancy, which distort the numbers back in the day), it was 58 in 1850, 58.5 in 1890, 61 in 1910, etc. for males, it’s not even 80 today (77). https://www.infoplease.com/us/mortality/life-expectancy-age-1850-2011

    In any event I surely hope “historical knowledge” is limited to those 5 folks, lol. I certainly couldn’t care less about them.

    Most of the people in their 80s have already shared their historical knowledge with their children and grandchildren anyway. And are you suggesting that those who die younger don’t, or can’t, or what exactly is your point? Nothing, I think, just faux outrage, lol.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @lysias
    , @anon
  328. NPleeze says:
    @utu

    Yeah, they pull that shit out when they want to traumatize (hypnotize) people. Deaths like that happen every single day, but not a peep.

    Millions die in US b/c they do not have access to medical care, barely a mention (and when mentioned, in abstract statistics). All of a sudden 1,000 people in Italy dying requires us to give government totalitarian power and give up all civil liberties.

    A million die a year of malaria, mostly children under 5, who could be saved with $1. Nobody cares, because they’re those “dirty Africans”. But some 82 year old Italian with a heard condition and diabetes dying 3 weeks earlier, OH MY GOD! THE HORROR!

    Propaganda in action.

  329. @NPleeze

    Funny how I’m sure you will be singing a different song if you are lucky enough to make it to retirement age.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  330. @Eugene Norman

    You should probably request a 5G box right outside your bedroom window, so you can get plenty of those harmless microwaves.

  331. @GazaPlanet

    This is only on-topic due to it being about bio-weapons.

    Another commenter up-thread stated that two real Russian agents went to Salisbury to speak to Skripal because he wanted to negotiate a way to return to Russia and that is far more likely. It also explains why the British would move to prevent that.

    The entire British narrative is ridiculous and it’s worth noting that one of the very first people on the scene was the most senior nurse in the British Army, that’s one only a dedicated coincidence theorist could swallow. Neither the nurse or the first police officer attending had any protective gear on yet were unaffected by the “deadly nerve gas” which is impossible and totally absurd. It is also very telling that Skripal has “disappeared” since his miraculous recovery. Unlike Hot Chocolate, I don’t believe in miracles.

    • Agree: JRB
  332. @NPleeze

    Why do you blame the cost of healthcare on the retirees? It is not their fault it costs 10x as much as the rest of the world.

    That is our govts fault.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  333. NPleeze says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Really? What would I be saying differently? That all of society should be shut down and everyone suffer b/c 80 year-olds like me are at risk? That I should be forced into prison (quarantine) instead of having the decision be mine, because Big Brother knows best?

    Why do you bother to write such nonsense? And what do you mean by “lucky enough” to reach retirement age? You sound like 100% asshole.

  334. Denis says:
    @Turk 152

    The same year this virus hits China, the Chinese are struck by multiple outbreaks of diseases that destroy their livestock. The “official” story about this virus is that it came from a wet market.

    What are we supposed to believe here? That nature itself has joined America’s trade war against the Chinese? I know that China is no stranger to outbreaks of highly infectious disease, but to have so many in such quick succession, culminating in a natural outbreak like this at the worst time of year is unprecedented, no? I think that, given the circumstances, the natural occurrence of the coronavirus is extremely unlikely.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
  335. @NPleeze

    Society is not being shut down to save 80 year olds, think about it. The shut-down is for political and economic reasons. Should you reach the age of 80 in reasonably good health, I am confident that you will want to continue living and your loved ones will want that too.

    Morgan’s Law: There are two reasons for everything, a good reason and the real reason.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  336. @Frederick V. Reed

    US Commerce Secretary is on record stating that he believed that the “Wuhan Virus” will benefit US by causing the global supply chain to shift to the US. What kind of briefing did he get?

    This point seems to have been forgotten. Or is my memory ‘faulty’ aka Mandela Effect.

  337. NPleeze says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Why do you blame the cost of healthcare on the retirees?

    Why do you blatantly distort/change what someone wrote, and then ask them why they wrote something they never did?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  338. NPleeze says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    The shut-down is for political and economic reasons.

    Well that’s my point too, so there’s nothing to “think about”.

    I am confident that you will want to continue living and your loved ones will want that too.

    Probably, but it still should be my choice whether I want to be locked in a room or venture out. Not Big Brother’s.

  339. Poco says:
    @Art

    Most likely spread by chinaman mistake.

    • Troll: vot tak
  340. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @NPleeze

    If you just went back to whatever third world country you’re from, you wouldn’t need to worry about the lockdown.

    • LOL: NPleeze
  341. @Chinaman

    I don’t interact with dog-eating propadandists.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Tor597
  342. vot tak says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    “I don’t interact with dog-eating propadandists.”

    Goat buggery and dog eating are not usually complimentary traits. On the other hand, they are not mutually exclusive traits, either…

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  343. Tor597 says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    You know you’ve got something when everyone is reduced to calling out spelling mistakes and using slurs.

    Not a single coherent response to the actual post.

    Why you so worked up? Afraid your narrative is collapsing?

    • Agree: d dan
  344. @lysias

    An interesting speculation, but without much hard evidence. This twilight world of inferences leads only to a collapse of meaning, much in view on this topic at Unz. There comes a point when you disbelieve the standard narrative so much that you become unable to distinguish between the paranoia and the cold hard facts. We don’t need to twist ourselves into knots. In this case, there is no compass, there is no plumb line, there is no unchanging frame of reference.

  345. @NPleeze

    Wow you are one hysterical strawman-creator.

    And if just a few months ago I would have told you that there would be worldwide curfews, travel bans, masses under virtual house arrest for committing no crimes whatsoever (call it quarantine or self-isolation if you will), empty supermarkets, people hoarding essential products, denial of medical services, and more, all in response to a kind of flu killing more or less the same sick old people seasonal flu kills, would have you also called me the same? You would have thought it perfectly normal then, would you?

    Nobody said anything about killing them off

    Soylent Green begs to differ. But you’ll say it’s just a movie. Well we’ve seen less drastic responses to more deadlier fictional pandemics in some films. They already have voluntary euthanasia programmes in some countries, so why not extend this and make it involuntary too? Why bother with the expense of keeping the old and the sick alive? I thought it was God who should decide not some bureaucrat.

    those in their 80s are probably (not 100% sure about Italy) collecting vastly more than they paid, esp. if you also include medical care.

    Pension schemes also get to keep all the monies paid in by those who die prematurely before getting to collect some back.

    I think you may be the one who is panicking. I don’t think my original post was emotional – just a statement of fact and opinion.

    • Agree: Wielgus
  346. @lysias

    Killing the old and sickly is one thing, catalyzing an economic depression is something else. And you say that was deliberate. Who benefits?

  347. That’s just it: I don’t have a narrative, But I don’t have to accept yours, either. And I didn’t mention anyone’s spelling errors. On that point I will say, however, that if a guy tells me he’s a seasoned Classical musician and yet misspells Mozart and violin, I might think something is amiss.

    What I’m doing is marveling at the certitude of people who think they know—they just know—what the true story is. And, purely by coincidence, “what really happened” always aligns with what they want to have happened. They have an emotional investment in it. For being so full of instant experts on everything, this blog is actually very anti-intellectual. Most of you people are no better than the liberal and neocon media. The “real story” is always what they—and you—want it be. And it shows, too, in that when someone has the unmerited gall to not see it your way, you smugly think you’ve got them all figured out. Yep, you’ve got their number alright.

    I’ve read so many narratives and predictions about this subject over the past two weeks that are so different from one another, and yet they are all, magically, “what really happened.” Lame.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @SBaker
  348. @vot tak

    Everyone who says something you don’t like is a troll!

  349. ivan says:
    @I M

    Give it up. You fellows are incorrigible. And I read the fabled John Helmer – greatest or longest lasting Kremlin correspondent when this was going on . Now another person has shown up suggesting that these were two very poor Russian actors hired by the UK.

  350. @Frederick V. Reed

    My only question is whether Bolton and Pompeo are stupid enough not to realize that the virus would end up in the US…

    Bolton and Pompeo are stupid enough to believe in ‘the rapture’, so yeah they are stupid enough by far.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  351. Biff says:
    @Commentator Mike

    They already have voluntary euthanasia programmes in some countries,

    and those countries would be??

  352. anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @JRB

    Ohio claimed an estimated 100k cases. Is it because they assume the first case was from way back?

    Does Battelle in West Jefferson as mentioned by the author research coronaviruses?

    That work, I am certain was performed at Battle Memorial Institute in West Jefferson, Ohio under a DHS contract doing the work for the CIA under the auspices of NBACC.

  353. anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    It makes sense that biodefense is or was an area of mutual cooperation. Can you go more into this?

  354. @acementhead

    I believe it’s just the seasonal flu of which the Cornavirus is a variant and which was identified as a mutation a number of years ago. Using the massmedia’s “fear porn ” they have hyped the Coronavirus into something it is not -a pandemic – and purposely exaggerated the rates of infection and death
    rates.

  355. @NPleeze

    Perhaps you will do the right thing and volunteer for the Soylent Green program once those around you consider you to be a useless eater. Have a nice life.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  356. The latest on the 5G front:
    5G AirGig: What is It and Should You Be Worried?

    AirGig is a new technology developed by AT&T to transfer Wi-Fi and wireless data over power lines using 4G LTE and 5G millimeter waves. To date, AT&T has submitted over 500 patents and applications related to the AirGig technology, which turns existing power lines into transmitters. According to AT&T’s glowing press releases, AirGig could even replace cell towers.
    What AT&T does not spell out in its glossy communications is that AirGig will make it impossible to escape exposure to wireless radiation, even in our homes. AirGig will saturate our environment—every inch of it—with close-proximity, high-intensity radiation. The few relatively safer areas that still exist will quickly disappear. Not only will those who already have become sick from wireless radiation have nowhere to escape to, but many more are likely to experience immediate health impact

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/5g-airgig-what-is-it-and-should-you-be-worried/?utm_source=email

  357. Wielgus says:
    @Quintus

    According to a biographer of Arthur Miller, his subject was a good speller but not world-class. He was capable of spellings like aquit. I’ve known medical doctors who spelled less well than I do, including its where it’s would be appropriate.

  358. @Commentator Mike

    I had not read your reply to @NPleeze before I posted my response to him. Maybe between the two he’ll get the point.

  359. ivan says:
    @utu

    They would be working in the luxury goods industry.

  360. Che Guava says:

    I will certainly read all of this article.

    However, I have a strong feeeling that the effects of the Wuhan virus (which is the name my Chinese friend uses) are greatly exagerated.

    The small company that I have to work through, because of a new (well, five years agn) law ‘against independent contractors, has zero cases

    Tomorrow, I will ask someooe at the real customer. With tens of thourands of employees, I have not heard of one case. I may well have already caught it, I had a strangely persistent cold from Dec last year to earlly Feb. It is a phantom menace, behng useed by ill-willed (most ) to cheapen stock prices.

    Of course, I may be wrong and end up gasping for air in a week or so.

    I know of nobody who has caught it. The numbers on transmission in Japan are still very low, the vast majority are still from ships.

  361. SBaker says:
    @JRB

    5G undoubtedly has its own risks, but a connection to the Wuhan CoronaV is unlikely.

    • Replies: @JRB
  362. Iris says:
    @Biff

    Euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and under certain conditions in Switzerland too.

  363. lysias says:
    @NPleeze

    Gladstone died at 88, Henry Adams died at 80, Mommsen at 85, Wilamowitz at 82, Bismarck at 83, George Bancroft at 90, Jefferson at 83, John Adams at 90, Madison at 85, Moltke at 90, Verdi at 87, Victor Hugo at 83. Not many lived to advanced old age, but some did, and those who did had an outsized influence.

  364. SBaker says:
    @LLL

    It’s not ironic as he claims, that this virus is bringing down the economy. Despite his campaigning against the stock market, Trump hitched his presidency to it after the election. Therefore, Trump does not benefit from this stock market crash. Who benefits? The elites who want him out of office and have been attacking him for years.”

    Note: it was the jewish lobby that led the impeachment coup along with the muslim women and their vast semitic membership.

  365. @Biff

    I was thinking mainly of Switzerland because of its publicised euthanasia tourism industry. I was also aware of Holland’s programme. But there are more:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_euthanasia

    I didn’t imply that these programmes were set up in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

  366. Robjil says:
    @Biff

    It is already happening all over the US. No water, no food, and opium is what is done to older people who are can’t be “fixed” or thought to not to be able to be “fixed”.

    https://nancyvalko.com/2015/10/29/the-miracle-of-dying-in-hospice-without-food-and-water/

    ‘It’s a matter of stopping feeding and increasing pain medication that leaves you to die,’ explained Dell’Oro. ‘It’s not the practice of assisted suicide. Because the motivation, the intentionality of the physician remains the alleviation of pain, not the killing of the patient. That’s the fundamental difference.’ (emphasis added)

    It is called palliative sedation. I know from personnel experience that this is happening.

    Some dying patients experience so much pain or such unmanageable symptoms they cannot get relief from medications unless the dose is high enough to make them unconscious. Palliative sedation provides enough medication to keep the person unconscious and continuously pain and symptom-free. All nutrients and fluids are stopped, and the person usually dies within a few days. Patients using palliative sedation should be monitored around the clock to be sure the sedation is adequate. Intensive monitoring can be done at home under hospice care. (Emphasis added)

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Maowasayali
    , @JRB
  367. SBaker says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    It is nice to see a comment of reason here. Journalists who condemn you as “racist” for referring to the Chinese or Wuhan coronavirus. Men who swear they are women. A presidential primary contest between a perpetually enraged old communist and a corrupt, excruciatingly senile politician who lies constantly. Giddy legislators high-fiving each other after legalizing abortion at 40 weeks – which is to say, legalizing infanticide. A political party obsessed with eliminating America’s borders, protecting criminals and dismantling law enforcement. This is all the religion of the left and their allies, including the muslims and their virulent anti-American postings. There is a common enemy to western civilization.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @Israel_4_Ever
  368. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @SBaker

    Maybe Trump shouldn’t have hitched himself to the market. Tough to feel sorry for a rancid zionist who made use of exceptionally deceptive campaign language even by our already low standards.

  369. WGary says:

    I just heard VP Mike Pence use the phrase “stood up” in the same sense as Old Microbiologist.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  370. Wielgus says:
    @John Chuckman

    Interesting. It might offer a clue to what might provide immunity or a vaccine (I am Type O).
    O and A seems to be roughly evenly divided in European populations.

  371. @FB

    What happens is when you pour money into an area as happened after 9/11 all kinds of ridiculous stuff gets funded with very little oversight. The goal is to spend the money and no one really cares if any actual product is created. In fact, success means the demise of your program so the incentive is to drag it out for as long as funding is available.

    That is how an oligarchy works. The insane thing is, at this point America’s only asset left is its military and it’s run entirely on those lines. The list of failed projects is enormous, and they’re usually things that can get pointed out by anyone. But the corruption incentive is too strong. Without the military to back the Petro Dollar, nobody’s going to send us free stuff in exchange for worthless paper. If we still had factories, we could just transition back into a productive economy, but they were all gutted so a few vulture capitalists could build some new mansions. America is on its way to a total collapse.

  372. @Robjil

    It is already happening all over the US. No water, no food, and opium is what is done to older people who are can’t be “fixed” or thought to not to be able to be “fixed”.

    Sounds very extreme, especially the fasting part, “no water, no food” … which reminds me of Tisha B’Av.

    Is “Covid-19” another “9/11” or Tisha B’Av Ritual?

    The lockdowns and “Shelter-in-Place” orders all around the globe from our Jewish Overlords effectively make it so.

    Tisha B’Av, Hebrew: תִּשְׁעָה בְּאָב ((literally translated as the 9th day of the 11th month: 9/11) is an annual fast day in Judaism. Besides the 25-hour fast, there are also 5 major prohibitions:

    Main prohibitions

    Tisha B’Av bears a similar stringent nature to that of Yom Kippur. In addition to the length of the fast which lasts about 25 hours, beginning at sunset on the eve of Tisha B’Av and ends at nightfall the following day, Tisha B’Av also shares the following five prohibitions:

    1. No eating or drinking;
    2. No washing or bathing;
    3. No application of creams or oils;
    4. No wearing of (leather) shoes;
    5. No marital (sexual) relations.

    Source: Wikipedia

    • Replies: @Robjil
  373. @Anon

    They cannot find patient zero.

    Look at the dispersion of Sars-Cov2

    1. China gets hit at Military Olympic Games. Impossible for State Security to monitor all the ‘athletes’.
    They eventually figure out it is not a normal flu and lock it down. BTW, they are trying to reopen HUBEI province, Wuhan is the capital, and the dreaded second wave started.

    2.Iran gets hit real hard.

    3. Italy gets hit hard.

    China is an economic enemy of the U.S. The trade deal never happened. China has divested from US T-Bills. China may even have refused the USD, though I doubt that.
    Iran is under economic embargo and has been a threat to U.S. interests in the Middle East. Iran agreed to sell oil to China outside the US dollar. Italy has been pursuing trade with China for the last year, ignoring U.S. interests.

    I don’t see a natural distribution to this virus. I see it following foreign policy. Others see it too. This won’t sell. They may be able to sell it to the sheep in the States but the rest of us aren’t buying it.

  374. @WGary

    As someone already noted earlier, curious grammatical errors aside (who misspells their place of work?), if this guy really was a former military scientist, it would be very easy for the government to figure out who it was from his online comments. He is most likely some kind of disinformation agent. And yeah, I fully agree the US government is eminently capable (morally and otherwise) of unleashing a bioweapon attack, that’s completely irrelevant.

  375. NPleeze says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Confirmed: 100% asshole, and added to Ignore list.

  376. @DKs

    Excellent summary.
    This is not a one-off. SARS-COV2 is part of a long pattern OF attack on China.
    What we are seeing right now in world markets shows that we are on the verge of an economic collapse as central banks attempt to prop up an overheated, debt infested world economy. Precious metals are decoupling from stock markets; paper silver and gold are 2/3 of what people will pay for physical as stocks of physical silver and gold decrease. The markets are trying to prevent a run to safety. They want everyone in to keep this beast system propped up. The free market is dying.
    1 Trillion USD repo bailouts and these repo bailouts began in September to keep banks from seizing up. This virus is being used as a scapegoat.

    I don’t believe for a minute that the official American gov’t did this. This is the Oligarch’s pushing for power. They want to own it all. The lethality of this virus doesn’t warrant shutting down whole economies. If they would have implement an aggressive testing regime and arranged to quarantine people 6 weeks ago, we could have avoided this. But no, the MSM putzed around and drew out the denial phase then went straight to panic mode. WHY?
    This is a big con. They are going to steal the middle-classes of the West blind. Bail-outs for whole industries means nationalized economies. Socialism for the Rich. Controlled state run economies. Price and wage controls. Fascism.
    Why not? The stock market has been rigged for decades. Now the Federal Reserve gets to use the Govt as its General Manager. It is the Board of Directors for the whole economy now.
    By the time people figure this out it will be too late.
    They should have all been left to sink or swim. The overall economy always adjusts and the ineffective corporate entities go under.
    AFTER the crash is when you enter the market with government money to accelerate the recovery.
    This is all [email protected]@ backwards.

  377. NPleeze says:
    @Commentator Mike

    So now you have changed the topic, from accusing me to something much more logical.

    As to me being surprised by this scenario, no, I’m not. I would have doubted your prediction simply for the timing, not the substance.

    But then again, you seem to accuse me of wanting involuntary euthanasia, which again makes you a Class A strawman-creating asshole.

    “Pension schemes also get to keep all the monies paid in by those who die prematurely before getting to collect some back.” Yes, it’s an insurance policy like any other. But, typical of your kind of disingenuous, smug “reasoning”, my point is that the 80yos are taking out more than they put in. That also happens with insurance, but my response was to a comment that said particularly they have the right to get out what they put in, plus interest, and I was simply pointing out those that win the old age lottery take out far more than that – whilst those who die in their 50s, don’t take out anything, to compensate for that.

    I.e., insurance is something very different from a return of investment. Can your simple, distorting (demented?) mind grasp that? No doubt, no, it’s much too hard.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  378. @SBaker

    The irony is that Israelis and the Zionists love Trump ,they have named train stations and housing developments after him for moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem, for his support of the annexation of the Golan Heights and his and Jared Kushner’s support for the theft of more Palestinian lands for the building of more settlements in violation of international law , not that laws have ever stopped Trump from doing anything having trained at the feet of Roy Cohn. It’s Kabuki theater , Russiagate and the impeachment process were done to give the illusion that we live in a democracy with a two-party system, it’s in fact a plutocracy or as we are ruled by psychopaths-a pathocracy.Trump was “selected’ rather than elected and as the saying goes the Democratic party and the Republican party are “two wings of the same bird of prey “.And lastly the Coronavirus pandemic is a PSYOP and the sooner people realize it the better off we all shall be.

    • Replies: @Israel_4_Ever
  379. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    I believe it’s a globalist/masonic PSYOP and the Chinese elites are in on it. If you do a deep-dive you will find that almost all the World leaders are freemasons e.g. Putin, Erdogan, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trump,Kim Jong-Un, President/Chairman Xi JiPing ,Netanyahu and the list goes on and on.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  380. JRB says:
    @Robjil

    In the Netherlands Palliative Sedation has been standard practice for at least thirty years and probably longer for persons who are dying from advanced cases of Alzheimer disease and also other diseases like cancer and advanced old age. Having witnessed it myself a few times from close by I must say that it makes the process of dying shorter and far less suffering is involved. So I would say from a pragmatic viewpoint for now it’s a good thing. That said there is a real risk that in the long run in a non-religious society this practice can be misused to reduce costs by more or less mandatory using it in earlier phases of diseases, especially for patients who have no family or close friends.

  381. JRB says:
    @SBaker

    Maybe, but I think it should be investigated very carefully by independent scientists. Because of the Military Games Wuhan was the first Chinese city where 5G was completely rolled out. We don’t know how many people died in Wuhan and the immediate area around it but I saw estimates in the tens of thousands. They had to bring in 40 mobile crematoria, while they already had 18 crematoria in the city working 24/7. Three of these allegedly malfunctioned due to overuse.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  382. Turk 152 says:
    @Denis

    If that is true, it would presume that my drinking buddy, who has the access and education to determine if this is fake, is somehow in on what would have to be a deep state plot, something I find difficult to believe. He is not quite Doc. Brown, from Back to the Future, but pretty close.

    • Replies: @Denis
  383. @JRB

    I wonder if they could appeal to the German wartime experience with crematoria here? I understand they were amazingly efficient with body disposal.

  384. @9/11 Inside job

    I am leaning more and more to the fakeness of the “phony bologna coronie”. Russell Sackett writing for Miles Mathis says it s all a big hoax.
    Why I Believe the Coronavirus Scare Has Been Manufactured
    http://mileswmathis.com/corona.pdf

  385. @NPleeze

    Pension schemes do invest for higher returns and sometimes they make a lot of money, other times they fail or get ripped off like by Maxwell and the Icelandic bankers. But even if they just keep it in the bank there is interest earned.

  386. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Iran is under economic embargo and has been a threat to U.S. interests in the Middle East.

    I think you mean that Iran is a threat to Israel’s interests. Iran would gladly trade with the US and has repeatedly shown no animus towards the American people only US government policy. Many US visitors who travelled to Iran have commented on this site about how well they were welcomed and treated there.

    I agree with the rest of your comment though.

  387. @Johnny Walker Read

    Yes, it’s a big hoax a/k/a a “faux pandemic , everyone needs to get “red pilled” and woke before it’s too late . I believe , unfortunately, it may already be too late . I didn’t think for a moment a week ago that I would be saying this but we are heading for a depression ,see :
    “NWO Magick: A faux pandemic, and a very,very real financial collapse”realcurrencies.wordpress.com

  388. @Johnny Walker Read

    Agree, these sites have the facts, thetruthseeker.co.uk and veteranstoday.com.

  389. Robjil says:
    @Maowasayali

    Good catch, Tisha B’av, the destruction of the Temple is 9/11 in Judaism.

    [MORE]

    Av is the 11th Civil month in Judaism.

    Tisha B’Av, is on the 9th day of Av.

    Elul(12) 23 is the Jewish date for 9/11/2001. What is “celebrated” on this date in Judaism? The Dove brings the Olive Leaf. This is related to the Noah flood story. Noahide (Noah) laws to be brought to the world with the nine eleven false flag. perhaps, this is the “symbolism” for nine eleven.
    Elul (12th month) 23 day is the start of the second Zion century. Thus the first Zion century started on 12.23.1913 of our Calendar. The second Zion century started on 9/11/2001, which on the Jewish calendar is 12.23.5761.

    https://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=9/12/2020

    23 Elul, 5780
    Dove brings Olive Leaf (2105 BCE)

    On the 301st day of the great Flood, Noah sent a dove for the 2nd time from the ark (see “Today in Jewish History” for Elul 17). This time, the dove stayed away all day; “the dove came in to him in the evening, and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf plucked off; and Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth” (Genesis 8:11).
    Yahrzeit of the 9/11 Terror Attack Victims (2001)

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
    • Thanks: Maowasayali
    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  390. NPleeze says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Where is the evidence that Putin, Erdogan, Kim Jong-Un, and Xi are freemasons? And not just some obscure website saying so.

  391. Iris says:
    @utu

    Italy still bothers me. Why is it an outlier? Canada has 5 times more Chinese than Italy but 62 times less infection cases and 539 times less fatalities than Italy

    A possible deliberate targeting of Italy aside, a UK study published in the Demographic Science journal purports that the violent outbreak of Covid -19 in Italy is due to a unique and quite generalised trait of Italian society, inter-generational co-residence; this looks quite a sensible hypothesis.

    ‘Even relatively few connections between communities can lead to a stark reduction in average network distances; the so-called small world phenomenon.

    ‘Such community “connecting” individuals might be those young people around Milan that work in the city but reside in the most hard-hit villages in the surrounding with their parents and grandparents.

    ‘Thus, intergenerational co-residence may have accelerated the outbreak by creating intercommunity connections that increase the proximity of elderly to the initial cases, an area for further study.’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8125457/Italys-coronavirus-crisis-worsened-multi-generational-homes.html

    • Replies: @utu
  392. @Robjil

    Guess what happened on 12.23.1913?

    The Federal Reserve Act was passed. Mazel Tov!

    • Agree: Robjil
  393. utu says:
    @Iris

    Yes, that’s plausible hypothesis, however the death rate for older patients in Italy is much higher than in China.

    See for Italy:

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763401

    and for China:

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lamvo/coronavirus-death-rates-age-charts-us-china

    Age 70-79 Italy=12.5% China=8% Ratio=1.56
    Age >80 Italy=21% China=14.8% Ratio=1.42

    So on the day when Italy had 1,625 fatalities (see JAMA) if they had Chinese death rates for age>70 patients the total fatalities would drop to 1,167 (lower by 458 fatalities).

    Italians are loosing age>70 patients at 1.5 higher rate than Chinese. Patients age>70 in Italy constitute 87.8% fatalities. Old Italians are different than old Chinese or Italian medical treatment is worse than Chinese. Is it possible that Italians are less reluctant to triage old people than Chinese?

    • Replies: @NPleeze
    , @Iris
  394. They have genetically tracked the zoonotic even to late November or early December of 2019 in Wuhan. Everything else fits the theory of spread from animals to humans then human to human. Nothing supports bioweapons nonsense.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  395. @NPleeze

    [Too much off-topic Freemason nonsense.]

    • Thanks: Parfois1
    • LOL: FB
  396. Chinaman says:

    It just became apparent to me what is going on..

    The coronavirus is a false flag Pearl Harbor aimed to galvanised Americans and turn public opinion against China and the Chinese. I think most American would be eager to start a war with China now if only to extract revenge. They are already physically assaulting Chinese Americans on the street and some unhinged Unz radicals is already talking about nuking China. The next thing we will see is talk of Chinese internment camps and blatant violence against all Asians,

    This is a brilliant scheme like 911, USS liberty and non-existent WMDs. Americans always fall for the same formula not cuz they are stupid (Well…partially) but because they are descended from people who love blood, war and genocides.

    One only have to open the television to understand this or look at the sports they play. Americans are addicted to violence and death.

  397. Denis says:
    @Turk 152

    I doubt your friend is malevolent, I simply think he is mistaken. Plenty of educated, well-meaning people fully believe dubious narratives if they are repeated with sufficient vigour by the mainstream media.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
  398. TT says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Cabals didn’t expect Chinese able to detect so fast by Dec19 when only 8 cases were picked up. Within 3wks, virus genome was mapped out and a anti-bioterrorism war was called to lockdown whole 1400M people.

    If China failed to contain by biting bullet costing a limb in its economy, its mfg hub and global supply chain will collapse within 6mths. Who will benefit? Ask Trumps, Pompeo and trade Secretary.

    When Japan, SK, EU are also down by COVID, the global supply chain will be paralyzed entirely.

    Then the 5Eyes Empire with their vaccines will have a unscathed industries, just nice for all jobs return with wholesale global supply chain. Glory to anglosEmpire once again. One stone kill all birds.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  399. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    It just became apparent to me what is going on..

    would you like to explain that statement? What caused it to just become apparent to you? Or do you mean you just had this idea off the top of your head and, like any crackpot, promptly issued this spew of paranoia without stopping to consider whether there was any rational basis for it?

    You talk about Americans being “descended from people who love blood, war and genocides”, but how does that differentiate them from the Chinese who were responsible for the Sichuan massacre of 1545/46 and the couple of dozen other massacres and genocides listed here?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  400. utu says:

    What’s up with Germany? 37 time lower death rate than in Italy.

    Germany 12,327, 28 (0.22%)

    Italy 35,713, 2,978 (8.33%)

    Spain (4.31%)
    China (4.01%)
    UK (3.96%)
    France (2.89%)
    USA (1.64%)
    S. Korea (1.06%)
    Switzerland (1.06%)

  401. FB says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    I agree with you that Dumbericans are generally silly tree monkeys [mostly due to indoctrination]…and uniformly stupid…this thread and others on this website prove this beyond a shadow of doubt…

    However, any kind of ‘false flag’ is simply unwarranted speculation at this time…my own feeling [buttressed after reading this informative article] is that this kind of virus has accidentally escaped from the idiotic US govt AND private sector labs that dabble in this stuff without really understanding even basics…

  402. NPleeze says:
    @utu

    There’s a much more obvious answer: Italy has a lot more people in their 70s, 80s and 90s than China.

    You do remember the Cultural Revolution and poverty there?

    According to the CIA factbook (find another source if you prefer, let me know the results :)), in China, 12.3% of the population is above 65; in Italy it is 22.08%, or almost twice as high. In the region most badly hit in Italy, it’s even higher: in Bologna (https://www.citypopulation.de/php/italy-emiliaromagna.php?cityid=037006), 31% are 60 or over (I couldn’t easily find a 65-year cut-off).

    Most likely, if China had the same age demographics as Italy, it’s death toll would have been much higher.

    • Disagree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
  403. NPleeze says:
    @utu

    Germany is several weeks behind Italy, give the sick time to die FFS! 😉 In all seriousness, compare Italy’s curve (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/), with case loads picking up around Feb. 23 (see the “Daily New Cases” table), with Germany’s curve (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/), with case loads picking up around March 4 and the majority of the cases being diagnosed in the last few days.

    If Germany maintains those numbers for 2 more weeks, that will be great! But too early to call.

    • Replies: @utu
  404. @Chinaman

    But people who love blood, war, and genocide will evolutionarily out-compete those who only complain about others loving it. For this reason, China will lose to the Ashkenazim in these evolutionary wars.

  405. My comment at https://www.reddit.com/r/HBD/comments/fl3q90/will_china_or_the_ashkenazim_eugenically_dominate/

    Will China or the Ashkenazim Eugenically Dominate the World?

    Greetings Gentiles,

    [MORE]

    I would like to share my hypothesis and speculations with you. But, I am very concerned that every thought of mine in this post will be scientifically false due to my inferior genes. You see, I am a Brown-American citizen. My father was living in his third-world Brown nation when he decided to apply to MIT. He was accepted (and I am willing to accept the possibility that a more competent heterosexual European male was denied a seat to make room for him due to Affirmative Action). He earned a Master’s Degree and then went back to his third-world Brown nation to get married. He chose a female that had a low General Intelligence and Conscientiousness level accompanied with depression and anxiety disorders, but she was young and “attractive” according to the standards of my Brown race. He reproduced with my mother at age forty, so not only did I inherit low general intelligence and depression and anxiety of my mother, but I also inherited highly mutated genes from my father’s aged sperm due to the Paternal Age Effect on offspring mutational load, so this could explain my additional acquisition of severe Attention Deficit Disorder, Asperger’s Syndrome, and left-handedness.

    But, on the positive side, due to my Asperger’s Syndrome, I always am scientifically questioning the most cherished beliefs of the Gentiles. I read everything ever written by Professor Kevin MacDonald and other heretical scientists. At first, I wanted to be European. But according to Galton, Lynn, and Woodley of Menie, the European ethnicity has genetically de-evolved into retarded neurotic psychopaths due to 250 years of dysgenics and mutational load. It’s so bad that I can’t have conversations with Europeans. I live in New York City, and I often try to have a conversation with the European males here, and I often meet European tourists. But, we just can’t converse. The European males are fixated on talking about female genitals and coitus, food items, popular music, movies, dancing, and psychedelic drugs/alcohol use. I on the other hand want to talk about genetics, biology, psychometrics, astronomy, chemistry, philosophy, politics, physics, and health. Europeans are naturally disgusted by me, and I by them. Even when I just try retardation-level small-talk with them, they are immediately annoyed by me and avoid me with a strong disgust reaction, and I to them. I have never been able to befriend a European, they cannot tolerate me even when I pretend to be culturally retarded as they are.

    On the other hand, the Ashkenazim are drawn to me, and I to them. They quickly develop a liking to me, and I to them. I’ll admit that I cannot be sure if they sincerely like me, given their extreme levels of ethnocentrism; but, at least the ostensible friendship is sufficiently satisfying. I now have people to talk to here in New York City that are not genetically retarded and culturally degenerate.

    I gave up wanting to be European years ago, but have ever since desired to be Ashkenazi. You see, the reason I am not loyal to my own Brown race is because virtually every member is genetically a retarded neurotic psychopath, so they have no interest in eugenics and transhumanism, and never will: they are genetically incapable of it. So, for years, I have endeavored to be a Useful Idiot for the Ashkenazim. I want to be on the winning team, and the Ashkenazim are the evolutionary winners on Earth.

    Now that I have given you some background on my brain, I can share with you my hypothesis/speculations on the topic of this thread, which is the evolutionary competition between the Chinese and the Ashkenazim. I want to discuss this topic with respect to their latest battle: the Corona virus. I’ve been reading the articles on this matter at the Unz Review, and I have come to the speculation that the Ashkenazim created the Corona virus and released it on China during the international military games in Wuhan. I also speculate that they created a different strain of the virus and released it on Iran. After China, Iran, and the Middle East started to publically state that they believe the Corona virus was a biological attack on them by the Ashkenazim, I speculate that the Ashkenazim had to take action to deny these statements, so I speculate that they have fabricated the claim that a Western Corona virus pandemic exists. According to Lance Welton of Vdare, the Corona virus has strong detrimental effects on Asian races, but for the Europeans and Africans, it’s as mild as a typical cold flu. I speculate that this was the intension of the Ashkenazim: to take out the Asians, but to accept the spread of the virus to the West, which they knew would have mild and relatively harmless effects. But to deceive the masses into thinking that the virus was a natural virus not created by them, they had to make the public believe that the virus was greatly harming the West as well, thus people would think that surely the Ashkenazim would not create a biological weapon that would harm their own lands and resources as well.

    European-American homosexual Jim Hoft of the Gateway Pundit put together the numbers of Westerners infected with the Corona virus, and the numbers show that it has a much lower infection and mortality rate than the common cold virus. In fact, in Italy, the average age of those who died of the Corona virus was 81. These elderly people can easily die of any common virus. Here are homosexual Jim Hoft’s numbers:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/covid-19-in-the-u-s-doomsday-numbers-just-dont-add-up/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/who-needs-to-be-held-responsible-us-coronavirus-numbers-including-asymtomatic-patients-shows-mortality-rate-0-2-to-0-8-and-not-3-4-as-reported-by-who/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/global-coronavirus-daily-deaths-on-its-worst-day-is-still-less-than-flu-swine-flu-malaria-aids-pneumonia-hepatitis-tuberculosis/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/exclusive-evidence-shows-director-general-of-world-health-organization-severely-overstated-the-fatality-rate-of-the-coronavirus-leading-to-the-greatest-global-panic-in-history/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-exclusive-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate-reported-by-the-media-is-completely-inaccurate-the-actual-rate-is-less-than-the-flu-media-lying-again/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-average-age-of-italians-who-have-died-from-coronavirus-is-81/

    Jim Hoft believes that the Democrat Party invented the pandemic fraud in order to harm the economy so that Trump would not get re-elected. But, I reject this speculation for my own speculation, which is that Trump is part of the Coronavirus fraud, as he was part of every fraud since his fraudulent election campaign, such as the Los Vegas mass-shooting fraud. It is my hypothesis that Trump is covertly working as a Useful Idiot for the Ashkenazim (a position I myself am still seeking to capitalize on.)

    I also speculate that in addition to the Ashkenazim successfully causing great harm to China, they also made a lot of money by selling and buying stocks just at the right time of the recent massive ups and downs due to insider knowledge, similar to how Larry Silverstein purchased huge insurance policies on the WTO buildings right before they were destroyed.

    These brilliant strategies of the Ashkenazim, if true, would be the result of their unparalleled genetic superiority. This is why I desire to be Ashkenazim. I could theoretically use somatic cell and germ-line cell DNA modification technology to replace all my Brown DNA with Ashkenazi DNA and see how much effect this would have on changing my phenotype to an Ashkenazi one. But if this is not possible, I can do the next best thing, which is to become a moderately compensated Useful Idiot. My resume is still active, and I still await on offer by the Ashkenazim. I will serve them well and be loyal.

    Notice that China never retaliates against their enemies, such as retaliating against India, Hong Kong, Taiwan, or the Ashkenazim/USA. This is because dysgenics/mutational load has destroyed their gene pool as well. The Chinese are now collectively psychopathic and neurotic, which is why they refuse to fight back. Their general intelligence has also become quite low now, so they don’t even understand political and biological reality. I’ve talked to thousands of Chinese, and they don’t understand anything, or even care to; they seem to only be interested in iPhones and shopping for over-priced Western brand clothing. As such, I believe they deserve to go extinct, and then the Ashkenazim should repopulate China. I think it is unfortunate that the Corona virus failed to eliminate all of China. I hope the Ashkenazim will continue to experiment with many more viral and bacterial types. A good cocktail of them should be able to get the job done.

    • LOL: Nonny Mouse
  406. utu says:
    @NPleeze

    Think. The death rate = number of dead divided by number of infected. The death rate is China in the age group over 80 has mortality rate of 14.8%. It means that 85.2% in that age group who were sick did not die, meaning that they did not run out of old people. They had plenty more of them to die to catch up with Italians.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  407. utu says:
    @NPleeze

    Yes, CFR(GE) will increase but not to enough to eliminate the discrepancy CFR(GE)<<CFR(IT).

  408. @SBaker

    And the underlying genetics are? Human behavior is built upon a neural substrate, which is designed by genes. So, you notice that European-American behavior today has become very dysfunctional. So, what’s going on with their genes? Why were Europeans much more functional and pragmatic before the Industrial Revolution? Have you not read the works of Woodley of Menie, Lynn, and Galton? Do you notice that this same pattern of cultural dysfunctionality follows the maturity of all civilizations of the past, such as Classical Greece, the Roman Empire, the Islamic Empire, and ancient China? When things are tough, nature weeds out the genetically weak (non-pragmatic, non-intelligent, non-altruistic, non-hard-working/morally conscious/detail oriented/patient (all sub-sets of the trait known as conscientiousness), non-ethnocentric to keep a people united and fighting for their collective well -being, etc. But when civilization develops and builds an advanced infrastructure that makes life easy, the genetically weak stop dying off, and the race becomes genetically dysfunctional. It’s a constant cycle. Europeans are now at their genetic ends: completely dysfunctional. After they collapse, there will be huge mortality rates, perhaps 95%. The survivors will once again become strong as the tough environment weeds out the weak and promotes fertility of the strong. so, the key is to find a way to prevent the genetic collapse in the first place. This is what eugenics/transhumanism is all about.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  409. Erebus says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    And the dog ate my homework.

    And you posted the fully digested result.

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
  410. @9/11 Inside job

    It’s all a puzzle to me. Trump seems to inconspicuously give the Ashkenazim everything they want, but in subtle ways that stays below the threshold of notice by his base. It’s as if he was chosen to be President so as to implement subtle and inconspicuous facilitation of Ashkenazi ethnic interests. First thing he did in office was get rid of Net Neutrality, allowing the Ashkenazim to deny bandwidth to speech they don’t approve of. Then he focuses on macro and micro economic deregulation and business and elite tax cuts, which again tend to exclusively benefit the Ashkenazim, since they dominate economics. He then boosts the military under the pretense of protecting his base, when in fact it’s to protest Israel. He expands NATO, decides to permanently stay in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc., surrounds China and Russia with weapons (enemies of Israel), does nothing to end the fraud of the American medical and media companies, refuses to deport the 30 million illegals, refuses to build the wall, refuses to mandate free speech in social media, toughens gun control laws, refuses to denounce discrimination and violence against his European-American voter base, refuses to take any legal actions against Antifa members, loudly supports Israeli Zionism but loudly denounces European-American Zionism aka White Nationalism, etc. He is the perfect candidate for Ashkenazi ethnic interests. I speculate that the American Ashkenazim secretly support him, but don’t want to be accused of duel-loyalty and don’t want to alienate their African/Hispanic/LGBT allies by overtly supporting Trump, so they instead covertly sabotage the Democrat Party by instructing Democrat politicians and leaders to say extreme things that they know will push European-American voters to Trump. And they seem to promoting candidates in the Democrat primaries that cannot defeat Trump.

    Either way, I put the European-Americans at fault: too genetically stupid and psychopathic to serve their ethnic interests, too stupid to see through Trumps non-logical comments, and everything he says is non-logical/non-objective/non-scientific. He is just a bag of calculated proverbs and calculated “emotional outburts.” I don’t even thing he writes his own tweets- he has some Ashkenazi individual strategically post each tweet.

    So, if the European ethnicity has become too genetically dysfunctional to serve their ethnic interests, while the Ashkenazim are genetically healthy and can keep on serving their evolutionary interests, then from a strictly Darwinian perspective, they will dominate and replace the Gentiles. And from a personal subjective moral perspective, I say they deserve to succeed as such since they are doing what is required to survive and succeed. May the gods bless them.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  411. @NPleeze

    Denial is not a river in Egypt, but it seems to flow through your mind like one. Masons or not, all these clowns are in on the New World Order, One World Government “plan”.

  412. @Chinaman

    The coronavirus is a false flag Pearl Harbor aimed to galvanised Americans and turn public opinion against China and the Chinese

    This is definitely one of the many agendas of this psyop. I know it is working as Chinese restaurants were ghost towns in my city before they shut them all down. I noticed people of Asian descent(not even purely Chinese)are glared at and looked upon with mistrust.
    Exactly the same scenario that took place with Muslims after 9/11.

  413. Any comments on this:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

    Claims to “clearly show”’ that Corona is natural, not man-made.

    • Replies: @John Chuckman
  414. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Civilians like us (I presume you are one, as am I) use the term “set up”. As in “We set up an organization”.

    Military, spooks and general government types use ‘stood up” as common parlance, understood in their community. Example: “What will it take to stand up a Special/Black Ops unit for missions in Eurasia?”

    A unit or organization that has been “stood up” means that it is fully operational and mission-ready.

    (Sidenote: I used to hang out with a lot of DoD, active military and .gov types. Not an insider, just part of general banter.)

    So, the writer’s use of that term, “stood up”, marks him (her?) as being considerably MORE credible and authentic, not less.

  415. @John Chuckman

    Thanks. I suppose the real question comes down to whether any pathogen (man-made or not) can be weaponized, and I would imagine it could. (Plague-infested bodies could be catapulted over walls, etc.)

  416. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    What’s up with Germany? 37 time lower death rate than in Italy.

    Germans are obsessive health nuts, so perhaps the difference is that the Germans pop more vitamin D pills. cf. article by Bill Sardi at LewRockwell.com:

    • Replies: @utu
    , @utu
  417. @NoseytheDuke

    Thanks for the correction.
    Yes, unfortunately the traitorous AIPAC/Dual Passport crowd has pushed Iran into China’s arms. The failed policy of occupying Afghanistan has also driven Pakistan into the BRI/China camp.

    Hopefully, the plunge in oil prices might see a drive for new political alignments. No one wants these low prices. The problem is that economies won’t get back to ‘normal’ for 6 months to a year.
    It’s a mess. I’d love to see the U.S. kick the treasonous Israelis to the curb, normalize relations with Iran and Russia and divest from China. Screw China. They lie about everything, steal everything they can get near and if you complain you are a racist. BS. Kick them to the curb.

    • Replies: @Herald
  418. Iris says:
    @utu

    Yes, that’s plausible hypothesis, however the death rate for older patients in Italy is much higher than in China.

    Again, putting aside the possibility of deliberate contamination, my understanding is that the death rates statistics are skewed and distorted by the level and efficiency of testing, for which no government will own up as it would be demoralizing and counter-productive.

    Death rates between two equivalent countries are strikingly different: 2,2% for France, 0,2% for Germany. As a comparison, it is 1% for South Korea who practices large-scale testing, 2,9% for the UK, 4,5% for Spain and 7,7% for Italy.

    Germany, with a considerably lower mortality rate, is a country that started testing for Covid-19 very early in January 2020. Germany took the risk of pandemic seriously from the beginning, and also benefitted from a de-centralised network of competent testing laboratories set all over the country.

    I think that Germany, because it took control of the outbreak at an early stage, has been testing a subset of people reasonably representative of the larger population, and has therefore more accurate figures for the real scale of the infection and death rate.

    Conversely, France, the UK, Spain and Italy have taken very belated measures and are emergency-testing within a pool of their population already known to be high risk. As a consequence, these countries are underestimating the infection rate and overestimating the overall death rate.

    Significantly, Germany’s official figures show Covid-19 infected patients are in average much younger (85% under 60, against only 40% under 60 for Italy).

    From German Pr Klaus Mönkemüller :

    Italian medical treatment is worse than Chinese. Is it possible that Italians are less reluctant to triage old people than Chinese?

    Both Italy and China have genuinely done their very best to save their elderly, but Italy has been caught unprepared: it was overwhelmed by having to deploy a massive treatment effort just at the sharp rise of the contamination curve.
    China has better recovery rates for the elderly because it tests better and wider than overwhelmed Italy does, who has to address many more cases on an emergency basis.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  419. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Sardi? Deranged kook, imo.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  420. NPleeze says:
    @utu

    Didn’t read your post closely enough, if the data is percentage than the demographic distribution is indeed irrelevant, except to the extent it affects sample size adequacy.

    One thing I have read that may explain the difference, aside from potential genetic or dietary matters, is that the hard-hit parts of Italy has Europe’s worst air quality, and damaged lungs (e.g. smokers) are a major risk factor. It may also be that in general the old Italians have a higher number of pre-existing conditions (since in China, a lot of the “weak” would have died off already, maybe even in their 40s from heart disease/high blood pressure, when treatment was not available – in Italy those with those ailments can live 40 years, etc.).

    • Troll: utu
  421. NPleeze says:
    @Israel_4_Ever

    I’ve said it before: The Orange Satan is a Crypto-Jew.

    Only his daughter has embraced her tribalism openly – even becoming Orthodox, who are strict, i.e., believe that the Holy Trinity is idolatry and that Christians must be beheaded (the punishment under the Noahide laws – the laws applicable to non-Jews under Jew rule – for idolatry).

  422. NPleeze says:
    @Iris

    Germany has a low rate b/c the vast majority of the “confirmed cases” arose in the last few days (see the “Daily New Cases” chart here). It takes about 2 weeks to die from the disease, hence the death rate is likely to go up.

    All the other countries, I wager the biggest factor is the amount of testing done on those not showing symptoms. Because a very large number who are infected have no or mild symptoms – many countries don’t test them at all, meaning the confirmed cases is always dramatically understated, how much depends on the country.

    Each country should do random testing on say 10,000 citizens to get an idea of the distribution in society. But that might destroy the “fear porn” currently being pushed globally and prevent the massive hysteria / over-reaction, so gathering real useful intelligence is not done.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy, Herald
    • Replies: @Iris
  423. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    Sardi? Deranged kook, imo.

    Never heard of him before now, but his claims are more or less consistent with findings here:

    BMJ: Martineau et al., 2017. Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis of individual participant data

    Anyhow, even if the death rate from Corona virus in Italy differs significantly from that in some other countries, it amounts, so far, to no more than about half a percent of annual deaths and 15 percent of the normal number of flu deaths.

    Since those who have died had an average age of 79.5 years and had, in the great majority of cases, one, two or three other diseases, most would likely have been dead due to other causes by the year end. Thus their deaths due to the Corona virus will probably have very little impact on the year’s overall mortality.

    Increasingly, it seems to me that the COVID19 panic is manufactured to justify looting of the treasury and deflecting blame for the stock market crash, which was a disaster waiting to happen.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Herald
  424. Iris says:
    @NPleeze

    Germany has a low rate b/c the vast majority of the “confirmed cases” arose in the last few days (see the “Daily New Cases” chart here). It takes about 2 weeks to die from the disease, hence the death rate is likely to go up.

    Please note that this is not exactly the case: Germany saw an outbreak of 10 cases early January, after which the infection rate stalled, before picking up again in March. But I agree, it might be too early to know for sure what the contamination dynamics will really look like.

    It was also reported during a press conference by the German Health Minister that Germans displayed “milder” symptoms. Either this is true, which if the same Covid-19 strain is involved proves the hypothesis of genetic polymorphism. Or Germans are simply more organised and transparent, and as you stated, carried out testing on more objective samples of the population.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  425. JimB says:
    @Pheasant

    Getting the spelling of the place where he worked wrong is not a minor mistake

    Just you wait until you’re in your seventies. You’ll intermittently forget lots of stuff.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  426. NPleeze says:
    @Iris

    Please note that this is not exactly the case: Germany saw an outbreak of 10 cases early January, after which the infection rate stalled, before picking up again in March.

    On Mar. 4, there were 262 confirmed cases; on Mar. 18, 12,327 (has been growing exponentially). Thus the disease has not had time to take its course in all but, what, 1.5% of cases? So the real “death rate” could be 70 times higher – it won’t be, I know, just saying the data is not there yet.

    Germans displayed “milder” symptoms.

    Zeit Online has a nice presentation of the stats (in German).

    Unfortunately we are not given ages. It could also be that for whatever reason the German “confirmed cases” include more young folks than in other countries due to infection vectors and/or testing criteria.

    • Replies: @Iris
  427. @John Chuckman

    This specific comment criticizes that paper:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/false-claims-about-the-novel-coronavirus-and-how-to-debunk-them.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a5183bb7200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a5183bb7200b

    BTW, the reaction of “b”, the MoA mod, is very revealing. The left has gone into full authoritarian mode (we’ve already seen that here), things are going to get very ugly.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @ivan
  428. anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Considering the lack of information in early January I doubt any government in the same place would have shut down a huge city to control the virus. In Wuhan, the hospital only received lab confirmation that the virus was a new coronavirus on December 27. Wherever it came from, this was an inevitable pandemic.

  429. NPleeze says:
    @JimB

    It’s amazing people reach conclusions based on a typo in a comment board on a website.

    I suppose by that logic, if anyone mistypes anything in English, it means they are non-English imposters, lol.

    Idiocy has no limits on comment boards.

  430. hcl says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I have heard from SAUCES that Wuhan was mass aerosolized in early January by yakuza (ethnic Japanese who would have racial camouflage) sent at direction of the U.S. military occupation authority in Japan (the CIA has used the yakuza as political local muscle since the beginning of occupation in 1945) . Thus, the sudden explosion of cases in mid January. They were sprayed, and their reservoir system may have been attacked, too.

    I cannot confirm this information, but have reason to believe it true.

  431. Chinaman says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Oh, I just woke up from a few years of coma so it is only now that I know people like Steve Bannon and a whole cadre of neo-cons have been saying America will have a war with China in 10 years. They didn’t even bother to hide their intentions.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/steve-bannon-donald-trump-war-south-china-sea-no-doubt

    You must have been in a deeper coma than I did.

    But I must be suffering from paranoia after my cryogenesis since there is no rational basis to assign any malicious intention to America. Americans is not using every form of asymmetric warfare known to man against China. It is not a coincidence but divine intervention that we have the trade war, Hong Kong riots and then coronavirus all within a space of one year. God’s wrath on China for lifting 800m people out of poverty.

    Xi and his team of chinaman must be paranoid and irrational too. The fuckers took too much acid and mushrooms during Chinese New Year. They overreacted by shut down the whole country because it is definitely not a bioattack from America. They should have waited for more data and EVIDENCE. If enough people died, then they can ascertain that it is a bioattack.

    As a Unz regular who is verse in history, you must know that there was large public resistance against entering WW2 and Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor to happen even though they have intercepted the message of the attack a few days earlier. This galvanized the whole country into war.

    Guess what..just today…Gov Mike Dewine of Ohio just compared the coronavirus to Pearl Harbor…but it is irrational to actually believe what he is saying. America is Chinaman’s best friend.

    p.s. I must admit I was too slow to connect the dots.

    • Agree: d dan
  432. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Here goes you stereotype of who is more obsessive and so is your D vitamin theory nonsense.

    Value of the dietary supplements market in Europe in 2015 and 2020, by country
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/589452/value-dietary-supplements-markets-europe-by-country/

    #1 Italy 1601
    #2 Germany 1079

    • Troll: NPleeze
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  433. @Beefcake the Mighty

    That link is shit, it’s comment #97 by JasonT. “B” goes into full bitch mode immediately after. It’s clear the left is going to be completely useless during this crisis.

  434. trelane says:

    Spelling errors and defective English usage in the first two paragraphs led me to stop reading and move along.

  435. Iris says:
    @NPleeze

    So the real “death rate” could be 70 times higher – it won’t be, I know, just saying the data is not there yet.

    From this very recent article, Germany’s Covid-19 death rate is an incredible 0.18%:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8131443/Germany-beating-coronavirus-survival-odds-Country-10-999-infections-just-TWENTY-deaths.html

    While such a low rate is likely due to the combination of several factors, a piece of information really stands out: Germany is equipped with 25,000 intensive care beds with respirators, compared to only 5,000 in the UK for instance.

    From precedent reading, I remember a senior Chinese health official stating that they achieved the best and fastest recoveries by putting patients under respirators at a very early stage into the disease.

    So countries who, like Germany or China, have heavily invested into large-scale health infrastructure matching the size of their population, seem to be doing better in fighting the pandemic.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  436. @utu

    Nothing in that link talks about vitamin D.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  437. NPleeze says:
    @Iris

    From this very recent article, Germany’s Covid-19 death rate is an incredible 0.18%:

    It’s much too early to tell. But as you are determined to speculate based on obviously wrong data, go ahead.

    All these mortality rates are utter garbage and the mass media is publishing crap for idiots. You can only know the death rate if you know (1) how man are infected (and “confirmed” cases are a far stretch from that), and (2) how many died from it before recovery.

    So at best we are talking about the mortality rate of those who get very sick from the disease – i.e. excluding the immune, which may be 80% of the population per Diamond Princess, and those who are carriers without symptoms or who have minor symptoms.

    Now look at Germany stats from another perspective: 15 have died and 44 have recovered (as I noted, the vast majority got the disease RECENTLY). If you look at that alone, you could argue the death rate is 15/59 is close to 25%.

    Well surprisingly the media hasn’t done that, but that number would be as valid as the other shit they are recklessly throwing about.

  438. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Nothing in that link talks about vitamin D.

    When Utu’s in a vindictive mood, facts don’t get in his way.

    For some reason he’s presently obsessed with finding out why Italy has more Covid-related deaths than Germany. Most likely a futile quest reflecting a mathematicians incapacity to accept the unpredictability of complex and ill-defined biological systems, in this case human groups with differing genetics, social structures, living arrangements, climates, air qualities, smoking habits, diets, healthcare systems, and age distributions, interacting with a virus likely with multiple as yet to be defined strains.

    A more reasonable person would be be surprised not that the mortality rates due to a novel virus differ among nationalities but that they would ever be the same.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  439. Parfois1 says:
    @TT

    Then the 5Eyes Empire with their vaccines will have a unscathed industries, just nice for all jobs return with wholesale global supply chain. Glory to anglosEmpire once again. One stone kill all birds.

    A very believable hypothesis – almost convincing! Let’s see (???) what will emerge from the rubble. They are already priming the banksters…

  440. Parfois1 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    A more reasonable person would be be surprised not that the mortality rates due to a novel virus differ among nationalities but that they would ever be the same.

    Well, even I have to admit – reluctantly – that some lucidity has been preserved and occasionally bubbles up to the surface.

  441. tbd says:
    @Ron Unz

    the US has bioweapons labs in georgia and Armenia and other ex-soviet republics called the Richard Lugar Center for Public Health Research,
    see these articles for example: 1- rt.com Sept. 16, 2018: Deadly experiments: Georgian ex-minister claims US-funded facility may be bioweapons lab. 2- New Eastern Outlook. Jan. 18, 2018: Richard E. Lugar: Body of Evidence Suggests New US Biological Warfront Opening. 3- JAM news Nov. 19, 2018: experts from 17 countries visit the Lugar centre in tbilisi.
    there are many other articles like this for the other ex-soviet republics, such as Armenia.

    When in government a new division or branch etc… is “created” or “formed” they say “they stood up”. NOT they set-up. Except for the author’s claims about his employment, location and expertise, i can attest that every claim he makes about government workplace(s) is correct and then some: such as management “style”, incompetence, rif-rafs rising to management positions, military losers working as civil service employees after leaving service, contractors running the place in total control, basically fraud, waste, abuse, corruption, theft, den-of-thieves, yes-men, harems for whores, losers, society’s rejects, un-convicted felons ( i am not saying that other countries governments are better, but we’re talking here about US government). And an outsider doesn’t know these things unless he worked for the federal government (state, city employees are exactly same) therefore from the context of his descriptions i have confidence that he worked for the US federal gov’t.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @ivan
  442. @tbd

    The incompetence of government employees at all levels (and their job security) is a well-known fact, that he presented this as some kind of revelation is one of many reasons to suspect him of disinformation.

    And yeah, it’s also well-known that the US has these labs around the world.

  443. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    Some are saying that the language used and the misspellings mean that the person who wrote the article must be a shill for the Chinese government. There is a possibility that the person was born speaking another language and speaks English as a second language, maybe Chinese but not necessarily.

    • Agree: SBaker
  444. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Gov Mike Dewine of Ohio just compared the coronavirus to Pearl Harbor

    We are always pulling out that “Pearl Harbor” hysteria here. “We’ve been attacked, WE ARE THE VICTIMS AND THE AGGRESSORS WILL PAY!”

    Jeez, what a load of self-serving bullcrap.

    See, IF it turns out WE brought the Virus to Wuhan, THEN WE WILL HAVE DONE PEARL HARBOR, we would be the AGGRESSORS, not any kind of victims.

    AMERICA AS AGGRESSOR – maybe we all have to wrap our heads around that possibility.

  445. ivan says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    That fellow ‘b’ thinks he knows a lot. For example every year around Easter he runs a story about the supposed origin of the Easter week in the worship Eostore or some goddess of spring with a similar name. But the clown cannot explain why countries that were Christianised earlier than Germany or England, say Italy and the Mediterranean countries, refer to that season as Paschal. One iota of fact annihilates all the theories of the conspiracy minded. That is why they keep beating around the bush, with all kinds of FUD.

  446. ivan says:
    @tbd

    This is something everybody knows about bureaucracies, it applies even in supposedly more competent countries like Singapore, where I live. This kind of stuff about bureaucracies is well known.

  447. @Chinaman

    Many great point’s Chinaman, and I agree with them all. But again, the one thing so many here fail to address. Why that is I can’t imagine. We cannot forget Wuhan went live with 5G only a few months before the CV outbreak.
    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=HXN5X4X2RN4X

  448. @ivan

    He’s written good stuff on American foreign policy, but now (like the leftists here), he’s exhorting the very same governments that two weeks ago he (correctly) castigated as imperialist, corrupt, etc., to come to our rescue. Totally brain-dead.

  449. @ivan

    Also, he now explicitly calls for the suppression of skepticism/questioning of the official narrative.

    • Replies: @ivan
  450. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    What’s up with Germany? 37 time lower death rate than in Italy.

    Germany 12,327, 28 (0.22%)

    Italy 35,713, 2,978 (8.33%)

    Spain (4.31%)
    China (4.01%)
    UK (3.96%)
    France (2.89%)
    USA (1.64%)
    S. Korea (1.06%)
    Switzerland (1.06%)

    But what is the validity of your data?

    Infection rates?

    Who knows what the infection rates are? Has any country conducted a random survey with a reliable test to determine the infection rate?

    Answer: no.

    Covid-19 deaths?

    What’s the criterion of Covid-19-caused death? Is it the same for every country, every hospital, every physician signing a death certificate?

    Obviously not?

    So your statistics are bunk.

    No one knows what the death rate for Covid-19 is. What’s more, no government seems interested in finding out. Instead, radical measures are being taken to contain a threat of unknown and quite possibly minor scale or significance.

    But so far, in Italy, where the mortality due to Covid-19 is supposed to be exceptionally high, the supposed death toll stands at about 3000, or one fifth of the average annual number of deaths attributed to other forms of flu, and about o.3% of the total annual death toll.

    Big deal.

    • Replies: @utu
  451. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Take an extra dose of Vitamins D on top of you usual Gerovital and calm down.

    • Troll: NPleeze
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  452. Anon[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @NPleeze

    Direct quote:

    ” (1) they do not contribute to society (and in fact their death relieves social security costs)”

    You wrote, they do not contribute to society. Blanket statement. That is false. You’re flailing. And failing.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  453. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    still feeling sour, huh?

    Well, here’s another kook paper for you to deride:

    John P.A. Ioannidis: A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

  454. Dr. Dre says:
    @Pheasant

    Also, he misspelled in the 2nd paragraph the name of the Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus OH.

  455. Turk 152 says:
    @Denis

    There certainly are plenty of very well-educated idiots who always know the right answers but never the right questions. Perhaps because his country was a target of US humanitarian interventions, I assure you he isn’t one.

  456. @Nils

    Ron,
    The interesting part I’ve heard repeated elsewhere on the internet is the concept of strains and where they are located.
    Apparently 5 versions of the Coronavirus exist in the world. All 5 variants exist in the US. China has one and so does Iran m, with the two being different.
    . . .
    Otherwise the masses will have to wait on some sort of deep scientific testing of strains as the author alluded to in the article. Which means we can probably only sit back and ponder.

    Hey, finally at comment #43, someone mentions strains and detection methods. Everyone else is writhing madly in a snakepit of conspiracy theories.

    I will stop reading now.

  457. @Pheasant

    agreed my partridgey fren

    Cool story Chang
    We believe.

    (even the argumentum ex-, in the first two lines, set off my shill-o-meter)

  458. @anon

    There’s a lot of intriguing sniping at old micro based on errors, typos, etc. Some of what he writes sounds almost non-native. But consider that any old timer who’s seen it all has to manage the risk of getting leaned on. To impede text analysis you change your vocabulary and you don’t write your best.

    Holy fuck do you even english m8? Fite me in the carpark. Boris shut the boozers now. Angery.

  459. ivan says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Like you say he is very smart but like all leftists he can’t let go of his cathecism. He ran good stuff on the B737 fiasco for example and he provided a good counter
    narrative too the evil Putin storyline. But he has his blinders about the great socialist paradises of China and such countries as Cuba.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  460. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Here’s another paper for Dr. Utu, the Unz.com resident virologist, to debunk:

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/1743-422X-5-29/figures/2

    Taken from the Virology Journal review entitled: On the Epidemiology of influenza, by J.J. Cannell et al., this figure shows a 90% reduction in influenza incidence among post-menopausal American women due to a daily dose of 1000 units of Vitamin D.

    But if that fails to evoke a sneer, I’ll try to find a reference to Fred Hoyle’s theory that the flu epidemics are due to the influenza virus wafting in from outer space.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  461. NPleeze says:
    @Anon

    Because you are an evil bastard, you left out the rest of point (1): “and hence no need to shut down the economy to “save them” (they’re not in it),”

    Which makes it clear, to anyone but an idiot or some asshole with an agenda (which are you), that I was referring to workforce participation and specifically to the martial law shutting down businesses all over the place.

    Do you really think you “win” something by acting like an asshole?

  462. JMM says:
    @refl

    An opinion piece on STATnews raises similar concerns about the lack of data supporting the panic as those raised by Wolfgang Wodarg.

    A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
    By John P.A. Ioannidis March 17, 2020
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

    Ioannidas was interviewed about it on the Open Source podcast:
    “Springtime in the Plague Year”
    https://radioopensource.org/springtime-in-the-plague-year/

    Four guests, the second and third are the best, IMO.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  463. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    The full text of J.J. Cannell et al. On the Epidemiology of influenza is available here.

    • Thanks: ivan
  464. TT says:
    @denk

    Just wonder how worst off topic can yours go compare to some lunatic racists here like @Gleimhart Mantooso.

    Perhaps UNZ moderator is not so happy with your continuous digging of West historical hideous crimes. I remember you was also intentionally been picked on your English, then the word FUKUS…that’s real nonsense.

    Keep writing, your comments are great, your English is clear and concise.

    • Replies: @denk
  465. Chinaman says:

    Any of my Unz buddies need masks or medical supplies from the Chinaman? I have plenty and have sent a bunch to Italy.

    I don’t want to see any of you go to Walmart to fight and shoot each other for masks and disinfectants as they do for toilet papar.

    Even people like Gleimhart Mantooso deserve dignity. I don’t need him to beg,

    • LOL: FB, Biff
  466. TT says:

    US reported a sudden spike of 20k infections with 200 deaths. Trumps is now requesting corps like 3M to pump up mask and equipment production.

    But why pretend to panick only now while doing nothing for last 2mths insisting not to test widely?

    Didn’t Pentagon attended Gates foundation sponsored John Hopkins Event 201 on 24Oct19, simulating Coronavirus pandemic that kill 60M? On same day 300 USM soldiers was sent to Wuhan for military competition.

    Its unbelievable to hear No.1 superpower USM only ranked 35th with no gold and few medals. Are these US best marines or biowarfare specialists good to only carry COVID aerosol spray? Canada was worst, rank 45th, while UK, Oz & Nz were absent.

    Pentagon Hawks & pharma giants are all in Event 201 exchanging notes. They knew exactly what’s coming, what to prepare, and which nations were vulnerable.

    US military ally SK was so coincidentally been alerted to launch a Coronavirus outbreak exercise in Dec19, just nicely in time ready for Jan20 outbreak. So their death rate was very low without lockdown, and the West are inclining to this SK rigorous testing model.

    USNato, 5Eyes, India have all along seem not bother by China outbreak, but together cranking up media smearing campaign to fan xenophobia against Chinese. All also try to isolate China globally to halt its trade & BRI completely by deny Chinese entry.

    USNato are adopting a common policy of treating COVID as normal flu without rigorous testing and reporting real infections. No one bother to even prepare mask or respirator for last 2 months.

    But once China miraculous success to contain outbreak , USNato suddenly make 180deg turn cranking out fear porn outbreak news 24/7. Out of blue USNato all declaring outbreak with spiking infection reporting, preparing for a emergency police state.

    Yet USM continue to send its 20k soldiers over EU for ever largest Nato exercise, spreading across EU without outbreak concern & mask. Now its cancelled, these 20k soldiers in EU will return, with either infections or infecting whole EU. What’s the rationale of all these sudden change?

    Could it be China success has forced USNato change their strategy, as “global supply chain” will no longer wholesale shift out from a recovered China now?

    Or a healthy China no longer give valid excuse for US unlimited QE money printing in $T to bail out US hyper inflated stock market and ailing economy to save wallstreet cabal again?

    Trumps has gone steroid printing $700B + $1T emergency & stimulus fund to prop up crashing Dow Jones. EU members are also pumping hundreds £B each. Yet IMF strangely rejected Venezuela a few $B loan request in crisis. Why US, EU, UK, Jp can all print $ as much as they like from air, while others have to beg IMF for a little?

    Its reported US has already been printing $80B daily for last 5mths to prop up cash shortage banks, as much loan went to bonds, derivative & stocks speculation pushing index to record high. Such QE is robbing the world blind abusing reserve currency status.

    The oil price war waged by Saudi is rather suspicious, offering sharp discount to EU only while not allowing China to increase new order. This price drop further strain Iran, Venezuela and Russia in crisis time. Without US consent, Saudi will never do as this will kill entire US shale oil industries. US is now pumping up its reserve with cheap oil, are they preparing for something big after withdrawing from Afghanistan to focus on China-Iran?

    Coincidentally, US, Germany, Israel..all have started to test working vaccines on human level this week. If they have truly few infections previously, how they have developed & verified their vaccines are truly effective so fast?

    Not to forget deadly epidemic hit Iran & Italy are both important silk road nodes for China BRI. Italy is said to commit unforgivable sins for joining BRI against US & EU threat. Its adopting of Huawei 5G against US warning will also blind 5Eyes spy network.

    The locust outbreak disaster is still ravaging Africa, Iran & Pakistan, destroying agriculture all along China BRI. Billions of eggs are still awaiting to hatch. Yet these locusts wisely give US ally India & Israel a complete miss.

    COVID seems also either not interested in Indians or India is not reporting a potential catastrophe of 400M living in crowded slums of open cesspits with broken healthcare. 750M still defecating outdoor with 90% cities have no sewage treatment polluting all water sources directly. A huge nuclear time bomb awaiting if COVID is not a race target bioweapon. So are ill prepared Mexico, Brazil, Philippines, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Latin, Africa, SEAsia, ME and millions of refugees.

    Iran is now facing US unprecedented sanction, military threat, locust attack, drought (Israel chemtrails & routine cloud seeding?), crushing oil price and lethal virus attack altogether at once. Look more like a series of very well coordinated asymmetrical warfare its enemies always wish for.

    Both China-Russia is now very well position to help stabilize the chaotic world for a peaceful multipolars one free from Petrol$ blackmail if play rightly. If whole world is playing along the virus outbreak shutdown, China will be only safe heaven global supply to capitalize on its most complete supply chain & mfg hub.

    Russia will able to partner with China on Petrol price swing to collapse US shale oil sector and bring Saudi to knee at $20 price. Every $1 Russia help bring down, China can pass 90 cents saving back to Russia since China is now single global supply source not sensitive to price. When Saudi start selling oil at RMB to China, together with Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Africa, Libya and Iraq all doing so, Petrol$ will collapse.

    The world is entering a big geopolitical reshuffling stage, while ZUS makes its last ditch to hold on hegemony power. Just hope the West police state preparation is not aiming to get whites ready for a nuclear war using stupid sepoy India to provoke Pakistan & China, as plan by The Anglosaxons Mission in London, 2006. It said bring EU to police state for better nuclear preparation, then give China a cold, follow by a nuclear war to reduce population by half.

    Time will tell. 2020 will be a very interesting choppy year.

    • Thanks: FB, NoseytheDuke, Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @utu
    , @utu
    , @FB
    , @I M
  467. Soloview says:

    This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories that I have ever seen. Indeed, it would have been stupid and suicidal for the US, or any power for that matter, to launch a bioweapon for which it has no defense. From the daily scramble and panicked improvisation in Washington, it is clear as day its warlords have no clue of what has been unleashed and how to defend against it. Even if Bolton and Pompeo were as deranged as to attack China with a virus of unknown R0, lethality, and mutation characteristics there are certainly other voices around Trump who would have quashed such a “batshit-crazy” (pun intended) plan.
    But even on the author’s own terms, such a scenario simply does not make sense. He says there are 5 known strands of COVID-19 in the U.S. and only one in China. (This supposedly is to confirm that the virus spread first in the U.S.) Really? How come? Did CIA first experiment with different kinds of the scourge on its own population, before it launched its least noxious variety on its enemy? Evidently not. In fact, by the WHO standard, there are only two known strands of the virus (“L ” and “S”) of which the “S” variety is the more lethal, and evidently a mutated form of SARS-COV-2.

  468. Iris says:
    @TT

    Great comment; thank you.

    The Covid-19 pandemic was planned at the last Bilderberg meeting and brought about as a smokescreen conclusion to the inevitable bursting of the US dollar-based, biggest financial bubble of all times.

    It is supposed to allow the ZUS plutocracy to keep control over the geopolitical larger picture by weakening China and imposing the value of their contribution to the new basket of currencies that is likely to replace the current global monetary system.

    This pandemic was engineered to keep control over the global financial system.

    • Replies: @Ber
    , @TT
  469. utu says:
    @TT

    In “its last ditch to hold on hegemony power” all what Americans can think of is more toilet paper. Stained pants anxiety for the hegemon is very understandable.

  470. utu says:
    @TT

    You are asking many good questions. Nobody yet came up with a single coherent and plausible narrative that could provide answers to all of them.

  471. Herald says:
    @Eugene Norman

    This is the sort of dangerous mumbo jumbo that is spread around by the cell phone industry. Those who repeat it are either on a retainer or are ignorant fools. I would guess that you fall into the second category.

  472. Italian doctors are perplexed by the fact that they started seeing an unprecedented form of pneumonia fatalities way back in November.

    Here’s one place where that fact came to the surface:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual-must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s

    • Thanks: Iris, Godfree Roberts, Tor597
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Ber
  473. What the author states about the American athletes’ performance at the military games in Wuhan is confirmed by results published on XinhuaNet. Here’s what I’ve been able to find: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/23/c_138497125.htm
    After 5 days, the US were not even in the top 10!

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  474. d dan says:
    @windjammer

    Good info. I would like to highlight the relevant paragraph of your link [1] for the readers:

    Remuzzi says he is now hearing information about it from general practitioners. “They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November,” he says. “This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China.”

    This seems to give additional weight that Covid-19 did NOT originate in Wuhan, but have been circulating in many parts of the world before.

    [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual-must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s

  475. FB says: • Website
    @TT

    Check out the first video in this comment over on the Kevin Barrett thread…about the ‘event 201’…absolutely the best thing I’ve seen on this yet…

    https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/9-11-truth-coronavirus-truth-zionist-hysteria-msm-lockdown-war-on-the-horizon/#comment-3784104

    • Replies: @TT
  476. @JMM

    Yes, there is a complete lack of supporting data , all the numbers of infections and deaths reported by the massmedia from the alleged coronavirus are lies ,as there are no reliable and accurate tests to determine whether or not the victim was infected by COVID-19 , even the latest tests are flawed.

  477. What does this word that he uses mean “nebutistic” ? I can’t find it anywhere and regrettably it makes me suspicious.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Gyre07
  478. I just sent the following to American Renaissance, and I would like to post a copy of it here please:

    Mr. Taylor,

    [MORE]

    Do you not think it’s time to accept the fact that Europeans are genetically finished due dysgenics and mutational load having reduced them to retarded neurotic psychopaths? Should not this fabricated Western Corona-virus pandemic definitively prove this to you? Europeans now believe anything and do anything the Ashkenazim tell them, and never fight back for their ethnic interests. First, the Ashkenazim fabricated the story about the existence of this pandemic, and the Europeans believed them. Then they said that we are all dying off from it, and Europeans believed it, even though visually, they can see there are no dead bodies anywhere. During the Bubonic Plague, people had to walk over dead bodies everywhere. In my city, I have not seen one single dead body, or even highly sick person, in the last two weeks – no indication whatsoever of a plague. Next, the Ashkenazim told the Europeans that in order to save themselves from this new Bubonic Plague, they must completely shut down the Western economy, shut down all businesses and companies, and wipe out the Stock Market, and thus lose all their assets while they wait for poverty to kill them off. The entire European ethnicity agreed. You know, given this level of extreme genetic dysfunctionality of the Europeans, this would be the perfect time for the Ashkenazim to legalize the rape of all European females. The Europeans will do nothing to resist. It’s like as Michael Woodley of Menie explained in his book about how Classical Greece become so dysgenically dysfunctional that they did nothing when the Romans came to conquer them: the Romans didn’t have to use any violence because the Greeks didn’t attempt to resist – they just handed everything over. Right now would be the perfect time for the Ashkenazim to legalize the most extreme actions against the European ethnicity because they are even worse off genetically now than the Classical Greeks, so they will offer zero resistance. I don’t think your American Renaissance organization’s style of being very cutesy and fake is going to magically change the degenerated genes of the Europeans, so you might as well “Keep it real,” as The Occidental Observer and the Unz Review does. Even the Jolly Heretic “keeps it more real” than you do. I’m going to send a copy of this message to every Ashkenazi organization so they can understand that given the fact that Europeans have now become completely and utterly genetically dysfunctional, now would be the perfect time to go full Bolshevik on them; the Europeans will offer ZERO resistance.

  479. Iris says:
    @Cycling Goddess

    The author obviously meant “nepotistic”. I would not be too harsh. Some people make stupid spelling mistakes when typing in a hurry; I definitely do 🙂

  480. Gyre07 says:
    @bomag

    Which would explain why the author referred to Mike Pompeo and John Bolton.

  481. nymom says:

    It could be the opposite. I just read that the majority of victims are of the A-blood type. Which could explain why the numbers are so low in Africa…

    Why would the US release a virus to attack itself…I guess I am assuming most Chinese are not of A blood type.

    • Replies: @Athena
  482. Gyre07 says:
    @Cycling Goddess

    The context provides the correct word ‘nepotistic’. In my experience scientists not being particularly literate is not anything new and is the norm for that group. Grammar is just not their ‘thing’.

    • Replies: @utu
  483. utu says:
    @Gyre07

    Grammar is just not their ‘thing’. – Spelling is orthography not grammar.

    orthography – the art of writing words with the proper letters according to standard usage

    grammar – the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics.

  484. newrouter says:
    @Ron Unz

    >Maybe you and similarly-minded individual can explain to me why Italy would be currently having such a huge problem but we won’t…<

    The Chinese Workers Who Assemble Designer Bags in Tuscany

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany

  485. Unfortunately, just this past year I contacted PUBMED because their reporting style had changed. They said that ‘Yes’ they are taking Federal monies. Unless that has changed very recently.

    Thank you for this information.

  486. Ber says:
    @Iris

    Do not know if this has been posted before,but video below is compelling:
    Multiple Nations Suggest Coronavirus Originated in America! Is This Possible?

    • Thanks: Iris
  487. Athena says:

    For the Ukraine, it’s complete media BLACK-OUT, but Saker wrote the following:

    There Is a Ticking Time Bomb in the Ukraine

    ”COVID19 has hit the Ukraine very, very hard. The problem is that the authorities, which fully knew that they had no means to do anything meaningful began by thumping their chests and saying that there were no cases in the Ukraine only to then suddenly decree drastic quarantine measures. And yet, the true information is seeping out: Ukrainians hospitals are full of cases, mostly un-diagnosed, and many have already died. Officially, and as of right now, there are only 14 confirmed cases in the Ukraine, and only two fatalities. But absolutely everybody knows that these numbers are totally fictional and that the real number of cases remains unknown due to a lack of testing kits, not a lack of cases. MDs in Ukrainian hospitals are sounding the alarms, but nobody is listening”,

    https://www.unz.com/tsaker/there-is-a-ticking-time-bomb-in-the-ukraine/

    (NATO’s troops — already present in the Ukraine, — will have to stay there, a strategic location! Has the virus intentionally been spread in Ukraine by the empire to increase the NATO’s presence there and defy Russia and China?)

  488. denk says:
    @TT

    Have actually more or less left this thread, just happened to browse back and saw your post.

    I notice that there have been some heavy handed moderation going on in UNZ ANd MOA, where truth speakers were targeted.

    This would be ironic cuz not even the Wapo practice censorship, whatever we might say about its editorial content.

    You have great insights, how about setting up your own forum, let hundred flowers bloom ?

    百花齐放 !!!

    • Replies: @TT
    , @TT
    , @Nonny Mouse
    , @Nonny Mouse
  489. Tor597 says:
    @utu

    I read that S. Korean tests are 10 times as accurate as the tests Italy is using. So the S Koreans are catching many more positive test since their tests are more sensitive.

    I’m willing to bet that the German tests are as good or better.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @TT
  490. Tor597 says:
    @Chinaman

    You are right that this will spill over to all Asians and not just Chinese. It is already happening.

    Ironically, this might be a good thing since it will help turn Asia against the west.

  491. Athena says:
    @nymom

    US-NATO members is often victim of auto-immune diaseases, i.e., it attacks itself or innocents in a NATO-member country, using controllable terrorism, such as the antrax- or novichok ‘attacks”).

    These auto-attacks gives NATO a pretext to intervene or position its troops in the member country. Or which gives NATO-US, Canada, UK, and France, a reason to uses secret police to enforce political power and harsh means of social control.

  492. antibeast says:

    Most of the Chinese immigrants in Italy live and work in Prato near Florence which is in the region of Tuscany. But Tuscany has recorded only 1,482 cases of Covid-19 as of March 19, 2020, according to Statista, with the hardest hit regions in Northern Italy such as Lombardy, Emilia-Romagna and Veneto, which is the economic engine of Italy, to wit:

    As of March 19, 2020, the total number of cases reported by the authorities exceeded 41 thousand. The North of the country was mostly hit, and the region with the highest number of cases was Lombardy, which registered nearly 20 thousand of them. The neighboring regions of Emilia-Romagna and Veneto registered 5,214 and 3,484 cases respectively.

    Also, based on the New Yorker article, most of those Chinese immigrants come from Wenzhou, a port city in Southern China, to wit:

    The first significant wave of Chinese immigrants arrived in the industrial zone around Prato, a city fifteen miles northwest of Florence, in the nineteen-nineties. Nearly all of them came from Wenzhou, a port city south of Shanghai.

    In the words, Chinese immigrants from Wenzhou living and working in the region of Tuscany which is in Central Italy could not have caused the severe Covid-19 outbreak in Northern Italy, as implied by your last post.

  493. utu says:
    @Tor597

    Yes, I read about it Jerusalem Post. Though 10 times more sensitive may also mean more false positives.

  494. Johnwho says:

    Doubt it was a conspiracy by the states to infect China. There are so many reasons against it that it would be hard to place the author of the above article in any decent light of honesty. Which leaves what? Intention to discredit honest people who have very good evidence to place Israel and the US at the very heart of many quiet acts of war? Which are proven.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  495. KA says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus

    America is lining up some clones of clown Cotton and Bolton to sue China.

  496. @Jean-Marie L.

    After 5 days, the US were not even in the top 10!

    And I thought the US prides itself for having the best military in the world! Now some claim that they sent the third tier team knowingly so as not to catch, or even spread, the coronavirus.

  497. Johnwho says:

    Your Complaining Canadian:
    I have been banned from the CBC again.(cbc.ca – government owned leach on Canadian people) I am not racist, nor profane nor any of the other reasons a pc government would ban me. I am banned for telling the truth and stirring people to stand up to their government’s appoach to doin next to nothing throughout the last months from late in December to now, where our government has done next to nothing. I have never been political in any way, but our Canadian government’s performance on this deadly issue has been so piss poor that it defies belief. They denied and backtracted at every opportunity without doing one damned thing until they were forced to. Now they have *finally* closed the border more or less. But it is way too late.
    So I am asing you Americans to help me out here. You don’t have to go through all the bs of establishing a persona on cbc.ca. But if you are already on youtube it would be easy to search for ‘cbc news’ and comment there.
    Asking thigs like: ‘ Why is the Canadian government still unprepared to handle this crises which was predicted two months ago”?
    Why do Canadians still not have enough supplies to test people for covid? Why do they not have enough masks t test people? Why do they not have enough respirators and test kits?’
    Sorry, I am banned for asking those or similar questions, so if you could help me out? Do not critisize the CBC or the Canadian government respone to this crisis or you will not get publshed there. Best of Luck from Canada!

  498. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Ginger, garlic, elderberry, cough drops, zinc, C, tylenol.

    No advil or asprin. Makrs it worse. Voxday.blogspot.com. God bless ’em

  499. I M says:
    @TT

    “Both China-Russia is now very well position to help stabilize the chaotic world for a peaceful multipolars one free from Petrol$ blackmail if play rightly. If whole world is playing along the virus outbreak shutdown, China will be only safe heaven global supply to capitalize on its most complete supply chain & mfg hub.

    Russia will able to partner with China on Petrol price swing to collapse US shale oil sector and bring Saudi to knee at $20 price. Every $1 Russia help bring down, China can pass 90 cents saving back to Russia since China is now single global supply source not sensitive to price. When Saudi start selling oil at RMB to China, together with Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Africa, Libya and Iraq all doing so, Petrol$ will collapse.”

    These are execellant points. I remember reading recently in one of the Pepe Escobar articles that he states that the drop in oil prices was coordinated with China as part of the ‘Cine-Rus’ strategic partnership, In order to” jump-start China’s economy”. They will certainly receive something substantial in return.

    I’m also of the opinion that China will be left in something of a post WW2 moment whereby they’re the only one’s left with a viable economy when the dust settles. Personally I intend to relocate there ASAP.

    • Replies: @TT
  500. @ivan

    You are quite right, Yochanan from the “Lion City.” Spring fertility festivals were one of the gifts of the Old Testament. The dumb clowns of Europe had never heard of Spring before. “Paschal” is of course from Hebrew Pesakh. There is a problem, however. Before Ezra invented Pesakh as “Passover” in the “exodus from Egypt” atrocity, it was Pesakh a Spring Lamb sacrifice. Of course, it still is a spring lamb sacrifice with the dumb Samaritans.

    By the way, there is no iota of fact to show that there was an Exodus. So there could not have been a Passover, could there? But there is still Spring, which was in any case invented in the Old Testament. By the way, “Easter” is from Latin “Oestrus” meaning the frenzy of sexual receptivity in Spring. Has something to do with the fact there is about nine months between the Spring Equinox of March 20 and the Winter Solstice of December 25. Oddly corresponds to the human period of gestation. Which was, of course, a gift of the Old Testament. By the way, isn’t Judah a Lion?

    • Replies: @ivan
  501. antibeast says:
    @I M

    I don’t have a science degree so do forgive my ignorance but from what I understand being exposed to such and such EMR is generally bad for you and 5g by virtue of it’s being a much stronger source of radiation is basically much worse.

    All the long-range telecommunications standards whether 2G, 3G, 4G and now 5G channels occupy the sub-6GHz frequency bands. Same with the other short-range wireless communications standards such as Bluetooth, WiFi, smart cards, etc. Consumer devices don’t have enough power to radiate harmful EMR which are subject to limits imposed by the FCC. What differentiates 5G from 4G is its technology which offers faster speed, lower latency, more reliability, greater capacity at lower cost than 4G. So no, 5G devices do NOT pose any harmful effects on human users.

    • Replies: @TT
  502. Chinaman says:
    @antibeast

    Patient zero, super spreader was not Chinese and have no China connections. He went to Hawaii and got the virus.

    The Japanese press also suggests that patient zero in Japan got it from Hawaii

    • Replies: @antibeast
  503. antibeast says:
    @utu

    Italy had already banned flights from China as early as Jan. 31st after two Chinese tourists tested positive for Covid-19 in Rome which is in Southern Italy. Most of the cases afterwards did not involve the Chinese immigrants living and working in Milan and Prato but Italians who had never traveled to China but lived and worked in Northern Italy. If Chinese tourists were carrying the Covid-19 virus, then the hardest hit areas should have been the top tourist spots such as Rome, Florence, Venice, etc. Also, Chinese tourists travel a lot to Southeast Asia which were not the hardest hit but South Korea.

    • Agree: utu, Tor597
  504. antibeast says:
    @Chinaman

    Same with Italy. Most of their Covid-19 cases had nothing to do with China and Chinese (immigrants or tourists). The hardest hit areas should have been the touristy places like Rome, Florence, Naples, Venice, etc. or the Chinese immigrant communities of Milan and Prato as December and January were the peak travel months for visiting Chinese tourists or returning Chinese immigrants.

    The fact that the hardest hit areas were in Northern Italy away from the touristy places imply that the Covid-19 outbreak started earlier due to in-country transmission, possibly in December or as early as November which occurred simultaneously with the Wuhan outbreak. Mass testing started only in February which uncovered thousands of cases in Northern Italy.

  505. TT says:
    @Iris

    China been World 2nd largest economy body, No.1 in PPP GDP, mfg GDP of 14%, mfg hub, yrade body, population, patent filing (equal next 11 top nations combined), No.1 in many agriculture produce, 5G, ..

    Are completely denied its deserved position in all global platform by US, including UN, G7 & global reserve currency.

    EU, UK & Jp have to each reduce their own reserve currency weight for China RMB, because US refused to cede even 0.1% ridiculously.

    What’s coming is bigger than just financial control. As (((chosen ones))) said, those who control media control the mind, those who control money control finance, those who control petrol control the world, but its those who control the food, control mankind.

    US has been devastating China food supply with swine flu, bird flu, army of plant parasites, locusts in Xinjiang, Monsanto GMO flooding, etc. China soya industries and oil producing is wiped out by US heavily subsidized grains since 1990’s under corrupted Jiang ZM. Prez Xi is trying to reverse that, which Trumps is very unhappy.

    One main demand of Trumps trade war smokescreen is to have China dependent on US GMO grains that are laced with carcinoma toxic to slowly kill off entire Chinese.

  506. TT says:
    @antibeast

    I was tasked to research on EMW radiation impact on human some years ago. Although im engineering trained, EMF is not my specialty. But we can always tap on many experts research with open mind.

    These EMF effect is very real hazardous, backed by thousands of Non profiting studies. It cause tonnes of illness including cancers. But US gov sponsored media warfare have always clouded the study as non conclusive.

    Im like FB, will not hold mobile right on my ear to toast my brain.

    But all independent studies pointed out its the low freq long wave length EMW that is most hazardous, esp 50/60Hz high power cable of above 115kV.

    These wave travel as far as km, cannot be blocked or attenuated even by thick walls of leads, have proven to cause loads of health problem and cancers in clinical study over 50yrs, with 5M people samplings. It stunts even animals and plants growth in such high power cable vicinity.

    The only way is to stay far from these high power cable, and avoid wind ward that carry highly charged up pollutants ions by high power cable, that can penetrate deep into our lung causing cancer.

    Whereas High freq sub 6Ghz will be blocked easily by window, walls, EMF screens, and even our hands. So they are least hazardous if keep a little distance of 30cm and avoid getting between tower and signal device for prolong time.

    5G certainly don’t cause the COVID outbreak, its plain absurd to claim so. Iran and most countries have no 5G yet.

    My understanding is 5G short distance coverage with laser like pointed transmission methodology may prove safer than 3/4G longer wavelength of low efficiency wide spread transmission.

    As many 5G towers and antennas are making quick efficient transmission over short distance at low latency, radiation/GB will be certainly much less than 234G.

    4G send out signal by wide dispersing required higher power with lower efficiency for each MB data, repeating until handshake is done successfully, hence more health hazardous.

    But we yet to know 5G full impact when everything goes IOT with endless data streaming everywhere. Even our clothing will contain micro antennas to tell us when it should be wash.

    Everyone can do a simple test to understand how our mobile phone can be highly radioactive hazard when signal coverage is low. And different brands have different hazard level not depending on its official rating.

    Get a 3D axis good Guass meter around $150. Measure the handset with data on, you will see it only radiate 5mG at good signal, but shoot up to 50~ 100mG when coverage is bad. 100mG is carcinoma even under WHO multi fold rigged data by US.

    The handset auto gain is tuned up to compensate low signal.
    You will be amazed only Huawei handset work perfectly in low signal forested area, when Samsung and Apple all went dead. What make a good handset is its antenna technology that work even in low signal region without needs to boost radiation to max. That’s what differentiate Huawei technology.

    Perhaps 5G with a dozen high quality antennas in tiny phone will compensate for its short coverage, which will be safer than 4G.

    But more hazardous radiation threatening mankind is US launched low orbit satellites program to cover entire world as counter to Chinese 5G, radiating everyone 24/7 regardless you use a phone or not. Elon Mask already started sending hundreds of such satellites up every year. This will truly toast everything in the World.

    • Thanks: FB
    • Replies: @antibeast
  507. TT says:
    @denk

    Unz and MOA are not known to censor comments. But they seem to get more authoritatian in their view shaping, if it don’t get in line with their own narrow view, its crackpot for Ron, and myth for MOA “b”.

    MOA is deleting comments and banned account on whoever said COVID is a man made bioweapon launched by US. “b” insisted its impossible to man made Coronavirus, and no one will be insane to use one, while COVID low lethality proves its not useful.

    Its very strange “b” view, consider US has such long spectacular history of deploying biochemical warfare since 1918 Spanish flu, Vietnam war, Korea war, Iraq-Iran, Syria…

    And many biolabs have long working on chimera Coronavirus to research vaccines by inserting proteins to let combination of virus (hence a new strand) able to latch on human immune. When its USNato-Israel-Jp-India BLS4 Lab doing, its called vaccines research. If its Chinese, its bioweapon.

    SARS, Ebola, MERS prove high lethality killed host too fast render its outbreak short. Hence COVID is a perfect SARS2.0 where its highly contagious with low lethality and long asymptotic incubation will get max outbreak to paralyze a nation like China & Italy, killing all their aged leaders eventually.

    Is it a pure coincidence that Viking anglosaxons race has only 0.1% fatality vs
    Chinese 4%
    Iran 7%
    Romans 8%
    Indian 0.00001%

    Coincidentally Indian & whites have also zero infection in Spore, HK, Msia durng SARS outbreak that killed mainly Chinese (96%). Even in India only a few Indians are infected but all recover in its broken healthcare. Same for whites.

    You should start your own blog instead with your great insight and vast knowledge so that it will not lost.

    • Thanks: d dan
    • Replies: @denk
    , @Sparkylyle92
  508. TT says:
    @I M

    Pepe had great insight, another worth reading is Andrew Korybko, a Russian based in US often contribute to Eurasia and globalresearch.

    Of course Putin & Xi are good buddy scratching each other backs now to ensure both are well. Anyone fall will be end of the other nation under USNato threat.

    The low oil price indeed will help China recover quickly, but that’s not a main factor. Russia & China have a 6D chess game to play.

    China oil deal with Russia don’t work on spot pricing according to my reading(that’s our limitation, no access to secret reports). They have a formula to work out pricing over long term contract.

    China will likely start pumping up its oil reserve to get ready a Grand Slam event. Like US always doing, China can use its large reserve to move global price too with Russia.

    The Chinese Marshall 1.0 Plan is already launched as BRI without WWIII. With this COVID19, ZUSNato-India attack backfired, China will launch its Marshall Plan 2.0 to save the World.

    China Marshall Plan 1.0 without WWIII.
    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-China-rebalancing-its-economy-towards-consumption-service/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

    Can China be successful in rebalancing its economy towards services and consumption?
    https://www.quora.com/Can-China-be-successful-in-rebalancing-its-economy-towards-services-and-consumption/answer/Thomas-Edward-71

    It has already sent out medical aids everywhere to change the world hostile view shaped by West msm lies. Next, it will help many to rebuild economy with its supply and lush fund.

    The West with millions Indian IB are censoring and banning many news & good writers on China while cranking out their own BS.

    • Agree: thetruth
    • Replies: @I M
  509. I have zero proof other than my gut feeling that this is a bioweapon. <—- Why would anyone be deceived after this admission? Based on past pandemics over hundreds of years, a natural cause is the most likely suspect. However, in the end, the Communist Government in China, based on "proof" they covered it up and allowed it to spread all over the world as a result, needs to be "held accountable" for the damage they have done to the people of the world and to the world's economy.

    • Troll: thetruth
  510. TT says:
    @denk

    Im permanent banned by FB, Quora, my country news site, even RT(heavily censored to my surprise), …all for speaking truth.

    FB will even ask for your face photo as verification to reactivate account, proving they spied on our phone camera. They also log your IP address, so changing new registered account will be all detected and banned.

    The only site that is surprisingly open is People’s Daily, as long you don’t criticized Xi. You should contribute there.

  511. antibeast says:
    @TT

    But all independent studies pointed out its the low freq long wave length EMW that is most hazardous, esp 50/60Hz high power cable of above 115kV.

    Yes, but those are high-voltage high-power transmission lines with low-frequencies which emit harmful EMR. That’s why they’re hoisted high up in the transmission towers. For household use, power cables have EMI shielding to prevent interference.

    As many 5G towers and antennas are making quick efficient transmission over short distance at low latency, radiation/GB will be certainly much less than 234G.

    5G is 100x faster than 4G. So that means you would be able to download things faster which means less power consumption per byte.

    Perhaps 5G with a dozen high quality antennas in tiny phone will compensate for its short coverage, which will be safer than 4G.

    5G makes use of MIMO antenna technology with lots of multiple antennas to boost bandwidth and reliability as well as a more efficient wireless encoding standard called “Polar Coding” to increase speed and decrease latency. Huawei owns the patents to the 5G wireless standard.

  512. Babs says:

    No it’s not a bioweapon. It is a known and documented virus by scientists https://www.facebook.com/pg/ChrisButlerWriterJournalist/posts/?ref=page_internal

  513. @denk

    You allege heavy-handed moderation but provide no examples. I understand the author of the article being commented on is the moderator, in general. If one was heavy-handed in your case, or unfairly censored you, you could tell us a bit more.

    • Agree: denk
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  514. denk says:
    @TT

    b’s disdain for ‘conspiracy theory’ is well known so its not surprising that some ‘conspiracy theorists’ got the chop there . 🙁

    but lately RU is also getting more allergic to unorthodox thinking. The other day the poster Alfred got deleted for unknown reason. Another poster Maoswali got deleted for posting numerology analysis.

    Actually its the satanists deep state who have a fetishism for numerology.
    They like to leave behind such signature every time they
    orchestrated a FF, much like a serial murderer who revel in leaving behind some mascot at the crime scene to announce the authorship .

    Knowledge of numerology often offer a clue to whodunit, so its actually a useful tool for armchair detective .

    Its ironic that on UNZ/MOA, sensible posters got the chop, while lunatics are roaming free.
    🙁

    If you have no intention of setting up your own forum, do post more, we need all the help and insights we can get , comrade !

    • Agree: AB_Anonymous
    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  515. @Nonny Mouse

    B can ban or block anyone he wants, it’s his blog. It’s just very strange, shall we say, that he goes from (correctly) criticizing the US government two weeks ago to now being skeptical of their nefariousness, and worse, expected them to act wisely.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Mike P
  516. @denk

    Sorry, I hadn’t seen the “off topic” notice. But if your comment didn’t relate to the article being commented on, I wouldn’t call that heavy-handed, or censored.

    I was interested because a while ago one of my comments was silently dropped by one of the regulars here who I see as a religious fanatic.

    Or so I believe. The error may be mine when I believe there was a silent drop, so I won’t be more specific.

    I notice this comment is off-topic.

    • Replies: @denk
  517. denk says:
    @Nonny Mouse

    See my reply to TT.

    Also there’s now a imposed quota of three comments /hr.

    I think this is my third.

  518. Biff says:

    more people are dying of lessor things…

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  519. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Rome’s in west central Italy

    • Replies: @antibeast
  520. @denk

    Agree, numerology/gematria/kabbalah is all over the 9/11 psyop as it is with the Coronavirus psyop, just google “coronavirus 33 ” . Trump was the “candidate of chaos ” , “Ordo ab chao “the motto of 33rd degree Freemasons , masons have their fingerprints all over this fake pandemic, most if not all of the World leaders involved are high level masons , just learned today that Prime Minster Giuseppe Conte of Italy went to Yale , home of Skull&Bones, and is a freemason with links to Rothschild, see :”Who is Giuseppe Conte the Italian Prime Minister who has assumed dictatorial powers unheard of in Itlaian history”
    fromrome.info

    • Agree: AB_Anonymous
    • Replies: @denk
  521. Anonymous[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    There was no Israel then!

  522. Teena says:

    CORONAVIRUS (COVID 19) Part 2 : “Russian sources have alleged that the Coronavirus Covid-19 has sometimes been ‘salted’ with Sarin gas in order to kill extra people in places such as Iran.”

    Brabantian 21 March 2020 at 15:07

    “Defense experts are seeing a targeted biowar on China, Italy, Spain, Iran and left-leaning political regions of the US, New York an epicenter…

    “The US and Israel developed the capability of dropping microdrones that can spread diseases, nerve agents and halucinogens … such devices have been used against China on 6 or more occasions.

    “The Russians say they have evidence that in Iran and Italy sarin gas in extremely small concentrations have been in the food, water and environment in minuscule concentrations.

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/

    • LOL: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @Robjil
  523. TT says:
    @FB

    Thks. It seemed everything is playing right out of this playbook of Event 201 exactly. The unusual thing is nobody bother to take any global preventive action while China fought hard winn 2mths window for the world.

    UN & WHO are both sitting on the problem. The simulation of Event 201 serve no purpose.

    But look at US installed weak leaderships of UN & WHO, they simply don’t instilled any confidence.

  524. I M says:
    @TT

    I used to read Andrew Korybko a lot when he first started on Sakers blog some years back however I came to notice despite his great breadth of analysis regarding empirical factors nd I site regarding events that his eventual conclusion’s would be generally off the mark. He seems to be great at research though lacks deductive capacity and sound logic. That was in the beginning, then I came to notice that his conclusions were manipulated in favor of ‘they who must not be named’ and I came to think of him as some kind of controlled opposition.

    May I suggest Thierry Meysan as an alternative? His level of pennetrating insight surpasses any commenter I have ever seen bar none. His last three articles regarding the oil price drop actually answers some of the questions you put forward in your post.

    Here he seems to be convinced that the drop in oil prices was a Saudi atack on the US to pre-empt the destabilisation of their rule. This would make sense as it was Saudi that threw out the agreement and started increasing production.

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article209452.html

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article209434.html

    For a bit of context.

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article209397.html

    The price of oil sold between Russ and Cine is one thing however the drop in the market price world wide allows them to snap up containerised oil for later consumption at dirt cheap. The US buying up more oil from the frackers in order to support domestic industry won’t help much as the loss is locked in once the oil is produced, unless the government is willing to pay 60$ per barrel it doesn’t really help the producers much. If they wanted to profit from the situation they would have to stop production and just buy up the cheaper oil, though obviously puts producers out of business. However in Chinas’s case since they don’t produce too much they only stand to profit.

    On principle I almost never click on a link to sites like Quora, Wiki or Facebook. I feel like it compromises my integrity. Though I’m well aware of these economic happenings. F. William Engdahl is good on this topic.

    • Replies: @Iris
  525. @Biff

    Far more people will die of despondency over their economic plight (suicide, etc.) than will die from this virus.

  526. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy

    you’re an idiot

  527. Canuckie says:

    IT IS A WAR AGAINST ”WE THE PEOPLE”!

    ”Recall Henry Kissinger’s remarks following the LA riots. This war criminal and Rockefeller operative said under the circumstances of an appropriate crisis, the people will run to the state and beg to be protected. Increasingly, the people, like helpless children, expect and demand the state to not only protect them but also gift them with all manner of free goodies at the expense of others.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/lesson-covid-19/5707061

  528. TT says:
    @Tor597

    China is forefront in the test kit development. Yet its only 50~60% accurate.

    That’s why multiple testings are done to confirm the case. China initially wanted to use CT Scan result on lung with pneumonia symptoms as one main criteria to decide confirm case.

    But US has utilized that to smear China for trying to conceal infection rate.

    China’s Medical Expert Admits Serious Flaw In Coronavirus Diagnostics!
    https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-china’s-medical-expert-admits-serious-flaw-in-coronavirus-diagnostics

    Dr Wang added, “Even patients who definitely have the disease only come back positive 30% to 50% of the time. Testing throat swabs (from potentially infected people) also returns a lot of false negatives.”

    Nucleic acid tests or NATs are by basically an imperfect mechanism for determining the presence of a given organism. For instance, because the genetic material they test for usually only exists in tiny amounts, many NATs include a step called amplification, which makes many copies of it. A shortcoming of amplification is that it also copies any contaminating DNA in the sample, potentially causing misleading results.

  529. Why would any military spend money developing a medium-to-bad flu? To what tactical or strategic end? Every other silly warfare state boondoggle all over the world I’m aware of at least has some plausibility. A flu that kills sick 80 year olds would serve little purpose but to strengthen the enemy in the intermediate term.

    I would bet many governments are developing chemical and biological agents (anthrax, infected ticks) that can work as area denial weapons. I would bet zero of them are “developing” flus.

    The only conspiracy on the WuFlu that makes sense is all of the Chinese, European, and American banking systems started melting down in September. In each region executives and figureheads find it way more convenient to blame a bad cold (that isn’t actually killing anyone) than to admit they totally fucked up the last decade with unsustainable credit growth and no plan.

    I appreciate Unz and other platforms giving the China shills a voice. I would have no idea how silly and desperate these people are if I could not have heard them directly. People like Trump and Pompeo need to shut up and just let these people talk as much as they want.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
  530. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Also, Chinese tourists travel a lot to Southeast Asia which were not the hardest hit but South Korea

    It’s hard to generalize these days about Chinese tourist patterns. Not only do the Chinese travel to Southeast Asia, but HUGE numbers of them travel to both South Korea AND Japan.

    But notice the difference: Lots of Chinese going to S.Korea – large outbreak.
    Lots also in Japan – very scant outbreak (or not enough testing and Japan wanting to “save face” so the Olympics can push through.)

    On that last point, IMHO, even at this early date, we can pretty much predict that the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo aren’t going to happen. Too many participating countries are already too hard hit.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @antibeast
  531. Iris says:
    @I M

    Thierry Meyssan is off-the-mark most of the time nowadays.

    He has taken refuge in Syria for a number of years now, but that does not seem to have improved the quality of his sources, quite the contrary.

    There are a few things often present in his articles that completely destroy the quality of his analysis:
    – He seems to be suffering from a “scoop” psychological syndrome, trying to provide analysis that always stand out from others’ opinions, even if his is unhinged and improbable.
    – He is always mistakenly boot-licking the US, as if he was privy to some secret information that positive change was on the way in America’s Deep State.
    – He has a bias that he does not own up to and which muddies up his conclusions: he is close from a fraction of the French military who carefully avoids crossing Israel.

    In other terms, Meyssan most often deludes himself and his readers.

    • Replies: @I M
  532. Mike P says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I think “b” is a victim of the hectic schedule he has set himself of churning out a new post about once per day. Considering that output, his quality is actually rather good – compared with clowns like Karlin for example, who used to produce about one piece of complete garbage per day (haven’t read him in a long time though). However, b’s limited depth of research clearly shows in his pieces. E.g. he believes in climate change – groan.

  533. Tor597 says:
    @antibeast

    I believe what hit Iran was a bioweapon.

    And this strain hit Italy since there are genetic similarities between Persians and Italaians.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Sparkylyle92