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James Baldwin, perhaps the most influential black literary figure of the last century, confessed in Notes of a Native Son that blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world. Each black person, he mourned, is but a “stranger in their village,” a global village shaped by others—especially by whites.

He wrote:

For this village, even were it incomparably more remote and incredibly more primitive, is the West, the West onto which I have been so strangely grafted. These people cannot be, from the point of view of power, strangers anywhere in the world; they have made the modern world, in effect, even if they do not know it. The most illiterate among them is related, in a way that I am not, to Dante, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Aeschylus, da Vinci, Rembrandt, and Racine; the cathedral at Chartres says something to them which it cannot say to me, as indeed would New York’s Empire State Building, should anyone here ever see it. Out of their hymns and dances come Beethoven and Bach. Go back a few centuries and they are in their full glory—but I am in Africa, watching the conquerors arrive. (Notes of a Native Son, p. 164)

Despite the rantings of Afrocentrists, Baldwin’s heartfelt confession is an honest analysis of the impact of race on world history, an assessment you will never hear from any person in power today, whether white or black. The uncomfortable truth is that the civilization created by whites that dominates the globe was built independently of black people.

But in today’s media culture, image is reality. Thus, the mainstream media is attempting to reverse Baldwin’s reflections on real world history via the fantasy land of Wakanda, and the massive marketing campaign for the new film Black Panther. Wakanda represents a spiritual homeland for blacks everywhere, a fantastical balm designed to soothe black self-esteem and emotionally support a people alienated from the world whites created.

The size of this effort should not be underestimated. The film now holds an astonishing 98 percent favorable rating at Rotten Tomatoes, a site that aggregates professional critics’ reviews. This latest Marvel Cinematic Universe movie put out by Disney boasts a black director, an almost all-black cast, a \$200 million production budget and a \$150 million marketing budget to create and promote the fictional African kingdom of Wakanda, almost as if it could have been real. The film is also benefiting from an incalculable amount of earned media, as journalists and activists are eager to promote the pro-black themes of the film.

The explicitly Identitarian message has been highlighted in almost every review. For example, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, writing in the Hollywood Reporter, wrote:

It’s a little like witnessing the unveiling of an enormous statue on the public square—with the public square being the world—of Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X and Nelson Mandela dressed in bright dashikis. It’s an homage to who we were, a celebration of who we are and an inspiration for what we hope to become.

Ryan Coogler, the black director of the film, noted in the same piece that Wakanda serves as wish fulfillment for blacks. “I think that Wakanda is the ultimate African fantasy, a place that was able to maintain dominion over their natural resource, able to control it, able to use it to grow, scientifically and culturally, and able to defend it from people who want to take it,” he said.

The ecstatic response from blacks shows that this appeal to racial pride is a huge success. Black people all across America are holding parties and seeing the movie in large groups. The character of Black Panther is being interpreted as an avatar of global black identity.

This is intended. Reginald Hudlin, a black scriptwriter in Hollywood, wrote a celebrated reimaging of the Black Panther in the mid-2000s. He placed the blackness of Wakanda front and center, using the advanced and powerful African kingdom as a means to combat negative stereotypes of the Dark Continent.

Hudlin explained his agenda in an essay at the end of the graphic novel “Who is the Black Panther?” He wrote:

The Black Panther is the Black Captain America. He’s the embodiment of the ideals of a people. As Americans, we feel good when we read Captain America because he reminds us of the potential of how good America can be, if, of course, we have the convictions to live by the principles the country was founded on. As a black person, the Black Panther should present the fulfillment of the potential of the Motherland.

After all, he’s a Wakandan. Wakandans are so [email protected] THEY’VE NEVER BEEN CONQUERED. Not only does Wakanda’s independence block the total dominance of Africa by colonial powers, its cultural evolution has gone unchecked for centuries. They were ahead of us a thousand years ago. And no one has colonized them, burned their books, erased their language, or broken their spirits.

Unfettered by the yoke of colonization, they have created a hi-tech, ecologically wound paradise that makes the rest of the world seem primitive by comparison. If the right company got their hands on their gadgets, their medicines, their R&D, they would vault themselves a century ahead of their competitors.

[“The Black Panther: A Historical Overview and a Look to the Future,” by Reginald Hudlin]

As the New York Times admits, part of the new film’s “emotional and visual appeal lies in the fact that Wakanda has never been colonized.” It thus serves a psychological dual purpose by reversing the real world history of contact between African and Western civilization and providing a powerful mythology about what blacks could accomplish without white interference.

The fantasy of Wakanda banishes the depressing reality of Haiti, Zimbabwe, and Liberia. Instead, it provides an almost religious sense of empowerment for blacks eager to believe they are descended from royalty, retroactively turning them into the “conquerors” from Baldwin’s reflections.

Wakanda (Credit Image: © Marvel Studios/Entertainment Pictures/
Wakanda (Credit Image: © Marvel Studios/Entertainment Pictures/

For example, Leonard Pitts Jr. claimed Black Panther deconstructs the concept of race, even as he gushed about how it gave him a powerful feeling of connectedness with his racial kinsmen:

Somehow, director Ryan Coogler has managed to capture on film an African Eden, a Wakanda that is not simply a place but a way of being, the remembrance of a time when we were enough for us—a time not simply without racism, but without race. A time when you could simply stand and be. . . . .

If you’ve ever had the experience of being African American in Africa, perhaps you know the feeling, that stirring in your chest when you look around and realize that every face is like yours—the airline pilot, the woman selling palm oil, the man lying in the gutter, the dusty, bare-chested children playing soccer on a dirt street—all of them, you.

For the first time in your life, color is not a determinative thing. It feels like breathing after you’ve been underwater too long, resting after a 20-mile hike.

The memory—and hope—of that feeling is what people are really buying out movie theaters to see. Yes, they say they are doing it because they want black children to understand that they, too, can be superheroes and that they want girls in particular to know that they can be warriors, scientists and queens.

Credit Image: © Marvel Studios/Entertainment Pictures/
Credit Image: © Marvel Studios/Entertainment Pictures/

In reality, Wakanda itself, like almost everything else in the modern world, was a creation of white guys, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee. But myth is often more important than reality. And in the mythic sense, if Wakanda is the African Garden of Eden, whites become a stand-in for Satan, triggering Africans’ fall from superiority into subjugation.

Indeed, while Black Panther champions a message of independence and self-reliance for blacks, some journalists argue it should inspire a feeling of guilt and shame in whites. For example, the Washington Post’s Ann Hornaday argued one reaction to the film should be “tears . . . of grief.”

She wrote:

[J]ust as palpable as the celebratory joy and sheer artistry that define Black Panther, there lies an unspoken absence, the costs of which are no less real for being diffuse and virtually unfathomable. The lush Afro-centric iconography on screen underlines just how constricted those images have been throughout most of American cinematic history, at enormous cost not just to African American spectators, but white ones deprived of untold visual and narrative riches.

It seems likely Black Panther will be eventually incorporated into school curriculums as a form of cultural reparations, teaching young Americans what Africa would have looked like were it not for European interference. Some public school students are already getting advance screenings of the film. This attempt to boost the already unrealistically high self-esteem of blacks is likely to be effective. Unfortunately, it will also fuel the pathological sense of grievance blacks have against white people for supposedly creating all of their problems.


It’s hard not to see this as intentional. James Baldwin knew even the most illiterate white person was related to Dante, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Aeschylus, da Vinci, Rembrandt, and Racine in a way he never could be. But now blacks have been given an attractive myth, being told they are honorary citizens of Wakanda in a way whites can never be. And as blacks are provided a fantasy of power and success, our own people are indoctrinated to feel shame and guilt about the deeds our ancestors actually accomplished.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The great irony is even as Wakanda pretends to be a Afrocentric worldview, it is utterly Eurocentric in its standards of worth.

    The West took pride in science, technology, reason, machines, and monuments.

    In contrast, blacks didn’t have any of that. But still, Afrocentrists took pride in their folklore, music, rhythm, village, and colorful cultures. So, the black attitude used to be, “We don’t need all that skyscrapers and airplanes to have pride in ourselves. We are still a people with a culture and heritage and community.”

    But the fact is the White World still has more cool ‘blings’ in terms of cars, planes, buildings, and all the good stuff. So, blacks wanted that stuff. I mean, how much pride can you feel in your people’s folklore if they’re living in mudhuts?

    Also, even white Liberals judged everything by money, machines, science, and achievement. (If white liberals are truly culturally relativist, they shouldn’t push science and technology on blacks. White liberals should say that is ‘white stuff’, and non-whites shouldn’t be judged by whether they have science/technology or not. Instead, non-whites should be judged by the norms of their own culture. So, if black Africa didn’t have great cities and just had primitive stuff, then blacks should be happy with that and not want to be like the West.) Since white liberals wanted to believe in the black promise, they exaggerated black achievement in science and technology. So, over time, blacks got to thinking that ONLY A TECHNOLOGICAL society has worth. Black lost interest in taking pride in primitive Africa of folklore and dance. They wanted to believe that blacks could have cities like London and Hong Kong. In other words, blacks can be great only by having a super-technological society like what white folks made.

    So, this Wakanda is a strange concoction. It is supposed to be about black autonomy and independence, but blacks dream and fantasize about super-technology and big cities because their minds have been colonized by the Western metric of worth. Blacks are no longer content to feel proud of being African on the basis of having spears, bongo drum, songs, and dance. Blacks want big cities, skyscrapers, and spaceships. Without such, blacks feel no pride.

    But since blacks can’t make such things on their own, they fantasize about them and then, with help of Jewish globalists, argue that the reason why blacks don’t have good things is because of whitey.
    In the future, Wakanda will not be made by Africans in Africa. Rather, blacks will colonize the West, and as in the musical Hamilton, the likelihood is that all the great, famous, and noble white leaders and heroes of the past will be made ‘black’ by fantasy. Through the iconic power of entertainment and propaganda, young children of all races will be made to see and feel that the bulk of all great men and women of Western history were black. From a young age, white children will be introduced to great historical white figures as blacks.
    So, BBC has a black Achilles. TV shows feature black Lancelot. Many great white heroes will be ‘othelloed’. And white globalists, liberals, and cuckservatives will go along because Pop Culture sees blacks as the most idolic race. Idols and icons have immediate power of recognition and admiration. It’s like it takes just one look to fall in love with a movie star or pop singer. In contrast, to come to are for an average person, it takes time and patience to get to know him or her.
    The effect is not instant. Romeo and Juliet fall in love with each other with just one look because they have charm and beauty. But to fall in love with a plain-faced woman or humdrum man, it takes time. The affection has to grow.

    The thing is so many whites have fallen in instant love/lust with blacks because blacks are good in exciting stuff like sports, pop music, and comedy. And white women want to imitate the bouncy black female butts and lust after the Negro dong. And white people have been totally seduced by black voice in songs and oratory. White people worship black people along with homos. Blacks are fast, and homos are flamboyant. This is why Jews see it as so essential to control and manage both groups who dominate iconic power. To control homos means to control fashion and creativity. To control Negroes means to control fastness and intensity.
    Especially in our age of electronic-amplification of images and sounds, the power of homos and Negroes are electro-colonizing all the world. They are winning the battle of high-volt icons. Because whites worship blacks, they want to believe in Wakanda, a great world made and ruled by blacks. But because blacks cannot make Wakanda, the whites will realize the fantasy via Cuckanda. In Cuckanda, whites(and Asians and Mexicans) will do most of the heavy lifting and construction and management to make things work, BUT blacks will be placed on the pedestal as the representative godhead of the hard work of others. Indeed, Obama was just a figure. He didn’t do shi* all his life, BUT he was elevated as the symbol of American achievement. And HIDDEN FIGURES says three black women done it. But at least HIDDEN FIGURES is about women who did SOMETHING. The musical HAMILTON just pretends that the Founding Fathers were blacks. And BBC has all these TV shows were white historical figures are made into blacks.

    Why do whites go for such nonsense? Because they want to believe. That wanting-to-believe allows for suspension of disbelief. Look at the logic of religion. Because people want to believe, they happy to pretend that some Jewish guy name Jesus got whupped real bad but went to Heaven to reside with God even though there is no factual evidence of such. Because white people want to believe so badly that blacks are so noble, cool, and wonderful that they will happily pretend that it’s much cooler to imagine that past white heroes and leaders were blacks. Blacks race has become the god of white folks, and in worship of god, people will believe anything.

    Of course, many will go on blaming whitey as the reason why blacks don’t have nice things.
    But in all seriousness, the blame-whitey argument has merit only with few civilizations in Meso-America. Maybe just maybe, if whites hadn’t destroyed those awesome(albeit bloody) civilizations, they MIGHT HAVE developed on their own into other great cities around the world. But such argument can’t be made for blacks or North American Indians who were too primitive when white people came upon them.

    Biggest irony is Wakanda looks like a black version of Nazi Germania, the city of the future. BLACK PANTHER is really a kind of Afro-Aryanism. It’s like, what if Nazis were black. Then, they would have been cool.

  2. Dansidea says:

    Cool, if all blacks are actually Wakandans then I’m Iron Man !

  3. Psalm 137, entire [1] By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, and there we wept when we remembered Zion.

    I am not unsympathetic regarding Jews and Black Americans.

    It’s virtue signaling, self hating, politically correct whites I have no use for.

    Will Mike Pence attend this movie to be booed by the audience?

    • LOL: AndrewR
  4. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world”

    That is due to the very simple fact that blacks played zero role in the creation of the modern world.

    “what blacks could accomplish without white interference”.

    Haiti has been pretty much left to itself for 200+ years. And 90% of sub-Saharan Africa was left alone until well into the nineteenth century. So blacks have had ample time and opportunity to show what they can do. The results are as dismal as can be.

    It is very pathetic (I say this with no meanness) that blacks need a fantasy movie based on characters created by white guys to give themselves an ego boost.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  5. When Wakanda runs dry of vibrancy will the noble denizens of the once hidden Afrotopia seek reparations at the UN? Will President Kamala Harris and Vice President Eric Holder issue an executive order to grant the formerly vibrant Wakandans automatic citizenship? Will the Truth and Reconciliation trials subsequently commence?

  6. @WorkingClass

    “I am not unsympathetic regarding Jews and Black Americans. … It’s virtue signaling, self hating, politically correct whites I have no use for.”

    Me too.

  7. El Dato says:

    We may be witnessing the distribution of the movie of the birth of the myth of Black Zion!

    (Are the Wakandans for Nuclear Energy or not? The Black Power Nuclear Company would probably pump out the Fast Breeders like no-one else.)

    • LOL: Escher
  8. Enough, already, about this movie.

    But look at the numbers here:

    Friday night was the top grosser – Saturday the numbers declined. Is this the way blockbusters usually gross? I would have thought the Saturday would be the top grossing day.

    Opens 3/9 in China, always an interesting laboratory. Hollywood hype doesn’t reach there. The last Star Wars movie tanked.

  9. Another interesting fact about BP gross is that its opening weekend per screen average (\$18K) is much less than Thor, or Wonder Woman (\$30K and \$24K, respectively).

    They are going all out to make this movie seem as though it’s breaking box office records, when it’s not. Don’t get me wrong, the box office is fine so far. It’ll make a profit. But for a superhero movie opening on a 4 day weekend it’s #5, and if per screen gross is any indication, it’s doing good but not great.

  10. KenH says:

    Given the early success we all better get ready for Black Panther II, Black Panther III, possibly IV and then a prequel that goes into much more detail about how Wakanda was able to escape the colonialism of da evil white man.

    There will be Black Panther conventions just like Star Trek conventions except knife fights and gunshots will become common for BP conventions. Black peeps will arrive wearing Wakandan costumes and jewelry, maybe even that nice lime green nose bone I saw on the previews.

  11. Wally says:

    It looks like Earth, Wind, & Fire, the movie.

  12. hunor says:

    what a way for a group of people to become , thru illusion and lies . don’t they have pride ?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  13. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    boasts a black director, an almost all-black cast, a \$200 million production budget and a \$150 million marketing budget

    The money, the thing that really glues all this together, came from where? Was it black financed? Probably not. Do the profits, helped by all the hype, go into black bank accounts?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  14. @hunor

    I don’t know if that’s necessarily such as cut and dried answer.

    What are myths? They’re not, in and of themselves, true. Yet they can serve a purpose.

  15. jim jones says:

    Blacks after watching the movie

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  16. eah says:

    • Replies: @Toby Keith
    , @Anonymous
  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Doesn’t this movie actually prop up the idea of racial nationalism?

    And isn’t that a good thing?

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @aandrews
  18. ” And as blacks are provided a fantasy of power and success, our own people are indoctrinated to feel shame and guilt about the deeds our ancestors actually accomplished. ”

    What about the deeds the ancestors of non white peoples accomplished ?
    Burton at the end of the 19th century witnessed prisoners sacrificed in religious ceremonies in W Africa.
    Were there no bloody wars between the Maoris in New Zealand ?
    The Inca empire was established in about a hundred years, does anyone think the peoples they subjugated welcomed them ?
    British and French colonialism in India started by aiding local rulers in their wars.
    Did not African chiefs give away whole villages to slave traders in order to get guns, powder and lead for their wars ?
    Does anyone think the ‘great’ Assyrian king Sargon was a philantropist ?
    The ‘great’ Roman empire did not consume oil, but people, estimates go up to ten millon slave deaths per year.
    In present Indonesia before Dutch rule common people may have been far worse off than under Dutch rule.

  19. DFH says:

    white guys, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.


    • Replies: @mp
  20. Baldwin, as a talented writer, belonged more to and owned the heritage of Shakespeare, more than any illiterate person, regardless of ethnicity. The real accomplishments of mankind can be claimed by all who recognize them. Anyone attempting to say otherwise is the one doing the racist discrimination even if against himself. I don’t subscribe to the exclusionary and divisive poison of identity politics. In reality, technology worship is idolatry, and it may in fact unchecked turn out to have been too smart by half, should we incinerate ourselves. Disney is not a likely source of examination of reality and its nuances and the super hero meme is a peculiar expression of American delusions of exceptionality, black or white.

    • Replies: @bomag

    What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa: Trump Is Right

    Three weeks after college, I flew to Senegal, West Africa, to run a community center in a rural town. Life was placid, with no danger, except to your health. That danger was considerable, because it was, in the words of the Peace Corps doctor, “a fecalized environment.”

    In plain English: shit is everywhere.
    People defecate on the open ground, and the feces is blown with the dust – onto you, your clothes, your food, the water. He warned us the first day of training: do not even touch water. Human feces carries parasites that bore through your skin and cause organ failure.
    Senegal was not a hellhole. Very poor people can lead happy, meaningful lives in their own cultures’ terms. But they are not our terms. The excrement is the least of it. Our basic ideas of human relations, right and wrong, are incompatible. […]

    Take something as basic as family. Family was a few hundred people, extending out to second and third cousins. All the men in one generation were called “father.” Senegalese are Muslim, with up to four wives. Girls had their clitorises cut off at puberty. (I witnessed this, at what I thought was going to be a nice coming-of-age ceremony, like a bat mitzvah or confirmation.) Sex, I was told, did not include kissing. Love and friendship in marriage were Western ideas. Fidelity was not a thing. Married women would have sex for a few cents to have cash for the market.
    The Ten Commandments were not disobeyed – they were unknown.
    The value system was the exact opposite. You were supposed to steal everything you can to give to your own relatives. There are some Westernized Africans who try to rebel against the system. They fail.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. TheJester says:

    Blacks who are naive enough to believe in fantasies like Wakanda (scripted and financed by White men for profit) only buttress the claim that Blacks trail in IQ to fall for it … compared to the IQ of the Whites who created and financed the fantasy.

    The naive enthusiasm that Blacks are showing for the film, “Black Panther,” is similar to the ill-founded enthusiasm they showed for Barack Obama. Is there any help for them?

    Let me predict that this commercial fantasy about Wakanda will feature in Ta-Nehisi Coates’ next book justifying reparations for Black people … because it is true … because it could be true … because it should be true. Wakanda will eventually become part of the incantations employed by African shamans to help them control spirits as they try to conjure up new worlds of riches and fame for to their patrons.

    Actually, the African shamans and Raj Chetty should collaborate on Chetty’s next project.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  23. Randal says:

    It feeds the general sense of grievance and resentment that fuels black violence against whites, and that diverts black attention away from the need to sort their own culture out rather than obsessively blame whitey for all their own inadequacies and the problems those cause, many if not most of which could be at least mitigated with a clear-eyed focus on reality rather than antiracist ideology.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  24. mp says:

    …white guys, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.

    Jacob Kurtzberg and Stan Lieber. The author of this article has to know it’s a Jewish fantasy, but for reasons not clear is obfuscating. Probably he’s just afraid to come out and say it. Easier for him to deal with being called a racist than being called an anti-Semite.

    • Replies: @You don't say
    , @mr meener
  25. Randal says:

    Wakandans are so [email protected] THEY’VE NEVER BEEN CONQUERED. Not only does Wakanda’s independence block the total dominance of Africa by colonial powers, its cultural evolution has gone unchecked for centuries.

    Why make up fantasy stuff when there is a real example of a black (well, black-ish) country that successfully resisted being colonised (a brief period of Italian occupation aside).

    It’s called Ethiopia.

    Come to think of it I suppose I can see why wallowing in fantasy make-believe might be preferable for blacks….

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @for-the-record
  26. Wakanda = Ethiopia + Japan

    Ethiopia: Black, uncolonised, shithole. Which is why, after the rastafarian craze, it fell out of favour with both diaspora blacks and leftists.

    Japan: Non-white, technologically advanced, societally complex.

    • Replies: @James ben Goy
  27. If you’ve ever had the experience of being African American in Africa, perhaps you know the feeling, that stirring in your chest when you look around and realize that every face is like yours—the airline pilot, the woman selling palm oil, the man lying in the gutter, the dusty, bare-chested children playing soccer on a dirt street—all of them, you.

    Sucks to be a minority.

    Anecdote: Angola/DRC border at various times in the mid/late sixties. Northwest European tourists arrive from the DRC side, and are let through by Southwest European border guards. Express relief and delight at seeing white faces after sojourning through deepest, darkest Africa.

  28. n230099 says:

    Travel agencies need to start selling one way tickets!!

  29. Wait, wasn’t Planet of the Apes about Wakanda?

  30. Jason Liu says:

    I think it’s a good movie. It depicts pride, homogeneity, hierarchy, self reliance, tradition, and might even be a bit patriarchal. Values that actually humanistic and associated with progress, not the feel good tripe leftists keep feeding them. That’s probably why it’s doing well at the box office. Ordinary blacks should be happy with the movie.

    The commentators overinterpreting racial angles like “whites should be sad that colonialism prevented them from seeing a real life Wakanda” are just trying to do hot takes for the shrinking SJW crowd.

  31. Jason Liu says:

    It also shows that people like movies that appeal to their actual identity, not the “oppressed minority” identity that nobody wants. It’s the same reason very few people in the Asian community read victim literature written by “Asian activists” (see: SJWs). We want to see our people win, not gripe.

    • Replies: @Nick Granite
  32. JackOH says:

    Am I the only one to see in Black Panther an informal argument for the voluntarist repatriation of African-Americans to Africa? Or, maybe the voluntarist separation of African-Americans from Euro-Americans within the United States?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    , @densa
    , @Sam J.
  33. Hacienda says:

    You do all know that Adam and Eve were scientifically black, mythologically white.
    Yet, you wouldn’t know this from all the representations of Adam and Eve in the white world.
    Own up to black Adam and Eve, and then ask blacks to own up to the non-reality of Wakanda.

    • Replies: @You don't say
    , @Ozymandias
  34. @Obsessive Contrarian

    But look at the numbers here:

    I saw no crowds pressing up against the window for this one outside Boston, but we don’t have enormous numbers of Blacks here. In to see another movie, I asked the usher how the traffic in to Panther was, he said it played to 20% of capacity all weekend from the first showing and this is a major-league regional theater with IMAX and stadium seating. And now I wonder if the SJW/Soros-types bought huge blocks of tickets and whether the theater numbers are lies. 13% of the population bought up the biggest numbers ever for a movie? Sorry, I’m calling bullshit because even GoodWhite liberal nit-wits in Blue cities aren’t enough to drive THESE numbers.

    I have fatigue from the lies. From the Olympics, which I accidentally stumbled upon and watched for TWO minutes (dopey snowboards, how did THAT get to be a thing?) to the golf I used to like to watch (You should have seen the hulking Black that heads Genesis America, a Hyundai brand, he just went on and on about “The World” and all Hyundai does for The World). From the new Female Col. Sanders to Bad Ass Girls, I just don’t listen to any of it. If they want to alienate those who spend in order to coddle and make feel relevant those who haven’t the means to spend (who probably don’t even WATCH Golf or the Olympics), well, ok for them. I won’t entertain it, I turned off the golf and just as well. At the end, the clip was Blubber Watson, errrr, BUBBA Watson, sobbing and being hugged like a woman by the other players after he won his first tournament in ages. That’s it for them. If it ain’t the four majors, I’m out playing, not watching. The young guns are learning from the likes of Bubba Watson, they’re almost all tranny-like these days. And if they turn the golfing Majors grrrlie and gay and SJW, I won’t watch them either. The Olympians? You must be kidding, they’re an affront to humanity.

    One of these days they’ll learn. Advertisers have got to be leaning on them, they have to be seeing the average Joe that use to watch now tuning out to these things. They know quickly these days given the reporting of modern connected TVs and digital cable and satellite boxes back to the Mother Ratings Ship. Cable boxes, the new Neilson Family.

  35. Anonymous [AKA "a_pragmatist"] says:

    Black Panther, why not Black Panda? Oh, that wouldn’t elicit the desired pathos.

  36. Sounds good but the reality is the last time I saw Barack Obama’s brother he was living in a hut in Kenya.

  37. @Jason Liu

    How does this movie appeal to their “actual” identity? They have voted almost exclusively for the victimhood peddlers for over 5 decades.

  38. @TheJester

    “Let me predict that this commercial fantasy about Wakanda will feature in Ta-Nehisi Coates’ next book justifying reparations for Black people …”

    I’ve been observing the evolution of The Narrative as told through movies for some time now. Let me predict that the next major change will be the story of how the blacks rose up and freed themselves.

  39. @mp

    You’ve obviously not been a follower of Mr. Paul Kersey. He’s been terrorizing (((them))) and the brothas in print for over a decade now and was a hell of a crime fighter in his 1970’s film work. You need to retreat to the corner for a 10 minute time-out. Delinquent.

    • Replies: @mp
  40. @Hacienda

    Liar! If Adam was a brotha….he would have ate dim ribs that was made to make Eve.

  41. @Hacienda

    “You do all know that Adam and Eve were scientifically black, mythologically white.”

    You may not have been aware of this, but most myths are entirely mythological.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  42. mp says:
    @You don't say

    You’ve obviously not been a follower of Mr. Paul Kersey. You need to retreat to the corner for a 10 minute time-out.

    No. I am not. But before I retreat, maybe you can tell me, then, why Mr. Paul Kersey hedged, and wrote that the two Jewish guys responsible for this thing are white? Until that is explained, I’m not sure why it is that I must “time out” for simply pointing out and agreeing with what another astute commenter did first. Perhaps it is Mr. Paul Kersey who needs to time out, and use that time to bone up on his writing skills, and not either intentionally or accidentally cover up facts.

  43. Hacienda says:

    Go back into human evolutionary history. The farther you go back, the darker the skin. QED, Adam and Eve were black.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  44. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Ethiopia was doing pretty decently for an African country before first the communists and then the aid regimes took over. Compared to the rest of Africa they’re not so badly off even now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. fnn says:

    White people are protecting them both from being eaten

    Sound On: Ellie is a baby boy orphan elephant at an orphanage in Africa. He was weak and lethargic until the orphanage got him his own service dog— Yashar Ali

  46. With all the talk of Wakanda, I’ve seen very little talk of another fictional African kingdom that appeared over 30 years ago: Zamunda from “Coming to America”. From what recall, the royal family lived in Western-style opulence, yet we saw little of the country itself. That made it a little more realistic, because then you could fill in the blanks about what the country outside of the royal compound was like, based on your own knowledge or prejudices. Also, it was never made clear whether James Earl Jones’ character was supposed to be an absolute ruler or just a figurehead, although it would seem he carried himself like the former.

  47. @eah

    Indeed, manipulation is what this film is all about.

    It is to keep Blacks inflamed against Whites for robbing them of such a “magnificent destiny.” For many, Hollywood and reality are one, so the practical effect of the movie will be as if it were actual history.

    • Replies: @SMK
  48. “even the most illiterate white person was related to Dante, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Aeschylus, da Vinci, Rembrandt, and Racine in a way he never could be.“

    This reminds me of Oswald Spengler’s quote about how people who talk too much about race and race purity no longer have it in them. Small men who have produced nothing taking credit for the achievements of giants.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  49. SMK says: • Website
    @Toby Keith

    How many whites will be assaulted, murdered, rape, gang-raped, mugged, etc., because of this movie and its psychotic and laughable but incendiary and malevolent inversion of reality. What percentage of blacks will see this movie, and I’m sure most if not all of them will believe this myth of black genius and superiority, apparently genetic in causation even though race beneath the skin is an “artificial social construct,” magically repressed and vitiated by “racism” and colonialism, and thus embrace the white-hating “killmonger” as hero, as Paul Kersey predicted.

    What percentage of white well see this movie, voluntarily? But I’m sure this movie will be shown in hundred of schools as a catechism of pro-black and anti-white propaganda and indoctrination, where racial integration is compulsory and whites are a “captive audience.” And also in prisons, where forced racial integration is “cruel and unusual punishment” -for whites.

  50. gwynedd1 says:

    Trump was a hero against the establishment. While I considered it a great triumph in upsetting the apple cart, I recalled this quote:

    “Unfortunate the country that needs heroes. ”

    A great hero is not a sign of good times.

  51. The gang over at Daily Stormer would summarize the Wakanda fantasy as “We wuz kangs an’ sheee-it”.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  52. @George Orwell

    “even the most illiterate white person was related to Dante, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Aeschylus, da Vinci, Rembrandt, and Racine in a way he never could be.“

    This reminds me of Oswald Spengler’s quote about how people who talk too much about race and race purity no longer have it in them. Small men who have produced nothing taking credit for the achievements of giants.

    Yes & no. Things are way more complex. I agree with Baldwin, but in some aspects- not. Evidently, many great works of civilization are universal & belong to all cultured individuals, irrespective of race (I won’t even talk about science: I guess Euler, Hilbert or Poincare should have been wailing: waaaa, those Indians have fucked us up ’cause we use Indian numerals; or Terrence Tao should be moaning: waaaaa, virtually all math I’m using are whitey’s invention. Boooohooooo…).

    Now, in arts there are various dimensions; some respects are local, some cultural, some “racial”, some universal. It would be absurd to ignore “racial”-cultural dimension: black actors in Ibsen’s dramas on Norwegians is something surreal (I am not talking about drama as such, just on its social-ethnic historical codes).

    But, on the other hand, it is universalism of high Western culture that matters. Bach, Michelangelo, Tolstoy, ..are here to be enjoyed by all men/women, whichever their race & culture. It is a problem with black American culture, their self-imposed segregation, if they don’t “identify” with these authors & masterpieces. If a black person cannot accommodate himself to the paintings of El Greco, Titian or Van Gogh, or novels of Flaubert or Dostoevsky- it is their problem. Doors are open. KKK has not created black cultural isolationism & autism.

  53. Talha says:

    Why the Alt-Right might strategically think about supporting the Black Panther Phenomenon:

    • Replies: @KenH
  54. The main issue with any mythology is in the degree to which mythology has roots in the reality. There should be at least SOME combination of human character and real history in myth which make it a viable factor in the evolution of race, nation, what have you. In this particular case with this Wakanda (or Zamunda) whatever it is not a myth yet–it is just a wet dream or stupid fantasy. In general, I agree with a lot in this piece, but myth being sometimes more important than reality–true, for a short time in historic terms, or, in our contemporary, instant communications-driven world, absolute terms. Enough to take a look at the implosion of American mythology, that one at least had some grounding in the reality, that is until this moron Karl Rove spewed his nonsense in 2004 about “creating own reality”. Did it help much? Sure as hell not.

  55. @Anon

    The thing is so many whites have fallen in instant love/lust with blacks because blacks are good in exciting stuff like sports, pop music, and comedy. And white women want to imitate the bouncy black female butts and lust after the Negro dong.

    Well, you still have to use very particular qualifiers such as “some” whites, “some” women etc. I am sure you are aware of such phenomenon as, say, UEFA for decades is now fighting those white boys and girls racyssm on stadiums–it may have won in suppressing an open manifestations but I am not sure about those racyss attitudes. Most of Eastern Europe, from Poland to Russia, to Hungary is not particularly enamored with black “culture”, dongs, sports, comedy–whatever. Moreover, I am not sure that most of American whites are the same.

  56. bomag says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Baldwin, as a talented writer, belonged more to and owned the heritage of Shakespeare, more than any illiterate person, regardless of ethnicity. The real accomplishments of mankind can be claimed by all who recognize them. Anyone attempting to say otherwise is the one doing the racist discrimination even if against himself.

    Shakespeare et al wrote about the human experience in general. Baldwin and crew write almost exclusively about Black grievance. Don’t expect much of an extended hand celebrating the accomplishments of mankind from his direction.

  57. This is so funny to me that I cant stop laughing.
    Vakand in Hungarian means this small black blind little animal that lives underground and makes tunnels and little piles of earth on surface. This little animal inspects the tunnel and eats worms that fell into tunnel. (I do not know the name of this animal i English)
    But from Hungarian point of view the name fits perfectly.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @Anne Lid
  58. @Jim Christian

    ” I wonder if the SJW/Soros-types bought huge blocks of tickets and whether the theater numbers are lies. ”

    Cut the paranoia.

    Box Office Mojo has no need to lie. Why would they produce fabricated quotes that indicate the per screen average was less than Thor or Wonder Woman?

    How about it had a wide release in major markets over a 4 day weekend, it’s got two baked in audiences (Marvel fans and young black people) and that produced great numbers? And oh, it’s pretty good. I’ve heard from people I trust that it’s quite good.

    The proof of the pudding is here on in.

    Calm down.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  59. @Obsessive Contrarian

    It’s PTA (per theatre average) is \$50k for the opening weekend

    It’s breaking records and is an enormous, enormous success. One of the most impressive openings ever and a cultural phenomenon. This would not be possible without the support of white audiences.

  60. @Obsessive Contrarian

    Yes, that is the way most blockbusters open. Due to pent up anticipation and demand, the opening day (Friday) is almost always the biggest day. On subsequent weekends Saturday tends to be the highest grossing day, sometimes Sunday.

  61. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Ethiopia, indeed.

    From Barbados to Black Panther:
    Will Afrofuturism Beat Archeofuturism?

  62. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Biggest irony is Wakanda looks like a black version of Nazi Germania, the city of the future. BLACK PANTHER is really a kind of Afro-Aryanism. It’s like, what if Nazis were black. Then, they would have been cool.

    LOL best critique of the movie I’ve read yet. Simply brilliant!

    Blacks complained about the racist Jews in Hollywood not giving them any good roles, so the Jews gave them a whole movie instead.

    I still like the premise of this movie for two reasons:
    1) the conservative theme – the antagonist is actually a multiculturalism promoting white, while the protagonist wants racial purity for blacks. Imagine if their roles were reversed. This movie would’ve gone down in infamy.
    2) if it ends up encouraging blacks to move back to Africa and attempt to build the real life Wakanda, that would be great for everyone.

    In fact, the real life Wakanda is being built as we speak, all over Africa, with the help of the Chinese. We just need blacks to believe, and move back to build their homeland.

    Next we need the Jewish version of Wakanda, called Judea, to encourage all the Jews to move back to Israel.

    Lastly we’ll need the LGBTQ version of Wakanda, called Gayana, to encourage all LGBTQs to move to their own paradise, where this would be I don’t know, maybe somewhere in the Caribbean?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @anon
  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The money, the thing that really glues all this together, came from where? Was it black financed? Probably not. Do the profits, helped by all the hype, go into black bank accounts?

    It’s Jewish financed of course, with the profits going back to the Jews. Jews have appointed themselves protectors of blacks. They are put on this earth to lead these helpless people to their promised land.

    • Replies: @Toby Keith
    , @Dave Bowman
  64. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    It is perfectly believable. But, but, but…..what could one expect from such audiences?

    • Replies: @Lost american
  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    More than any other group, blacks as a group are the people who live for the present, have no capacity to analyze the past or imagine the future. It is the Jews who constantly tell them of their past grievances, because the Jews can’t forget about their own past, so they don’t want their fellow oppressed to forget either. And it is the Jews who dream up Wakanda, for blacks have zero capacity for imagination. Wakanda is not a black fantasy, it is a Jewish fantasy. Blacks even have to let Jews tell them what they should fantasize about. Where would blacks be without Jews?

  66. Blacks are simple minded enough to believe this fantasy. When their hopes and dreams are dashed upon the rocks of their incompetence and jive boobery they will become disappointed and then angry. Blaming white perfidy they will run amok in their usual fashion, turning over police cars, breaking windows and looting. Then they will settle back into a sullen silence muttering about the “fire next time”. The white power establishment will turn a blind eye to the carnage with the confidence of knowing that catharsis for the perennial losers is essential to long-term order. Ho-hum.

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    Nobody wants to be in a theatre with a bunch of black people, anyone who’s ever been to a black movie knows how much they talk through each movie, you literally can’t hear a word (from the movie).

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  68. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You’re describing a mole. That’s the English word for an animal of that description.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  69. @Curmudgeon

    Yes, probably. The truth is that blacks will be thinking, “We finna be kangs some mo’”

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ethiopians are the most woke of all Africans. They are now rebuilding Addis Ababa with the help of the Chinese. The Chinese are great builders. Of course the jealous cow Jews like Howard French are now saying all sorts of negative things about Chinese engagement in Africa. For everyone’s sake we should hope that they do much better in helping Africa than what whites did to Africa with slavery and colonialism:

    “China doesn’t give simple aid,” Getachew said. “They do give loans. You work, and you return back. That’s a good policy. Aid is just making slavery.”

    Finally Africans are waking up to the insidiousness of western welfare aid.

  71. Black Panther was a fairly good Marvel comic book movie (not as good as the critics would have you think, but good for a comic book movie), but it’s pretty pathetic if you have to rely on a made-up country to feel better about your racial identity.

  72. @ThreeCranes

    Wakandans will make quite a stink
    When history shows they can’t think.
    When Wakandans go ape,
    Whitey ought to escape
    To the reddest red state in a wink.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  73. densa says:

    Not the only one. Go make Africa great, create Wakanda. The only way to avoid cultural appropriation at best or ethnic cleansing and pogroms at worst is to leave Whiteytopia behind and start afresh.

    Maybe take bids in Africa, they way Amazon had cities bid, on who wins to be the site of this new, prosperous and just world of, by and for Blacks. I wish them all the best. Maybe someday my great, great grandchildren will try and cross their borders illegally for the benies.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  74. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Lastly we’ll need the LGBTQ version of Wakanda, called Gayana, to encourage all LGBTQs to move to their own paradise, where this would be I don’t know, maybe somewhere in the Caribbean?”

    It’s an island called Manhattan.

  75. @Randal

    Why make up fantasy stuff when there is a real example of a black (well, black-ish) country that successfully resisted being colonised (a brief period of Italian occupation aside).

    It’s called Ethiopia.

    Perhaps a better example of a country not colonised by Europeans would be Liberia.

  76. Mulegino1 says:

    To sum it all up, Wakanda is Europe in blackface.

    The paroxysms of virtually unanimous effusive praise this movie is receiving from critics and the media as well as its ridiculous premise underscores two simple and readily observable sets of realities:

    In the media establishment, academia and the councils of government, nothing done by blacks may suffer appreciable criticism or be held to the same standards that are applied to anything done by Americans of European Christian provenance.

    Black ghetto culture is generally an exercise in infantilism and delusion, born of a lack of expectations, a failed family structure, a widespread attitude of racial revanchism and a complete lack of collective introspection and self-examination.

  77. @Hacienda

    You’ve falsely conflated human evolutionary history with creation mythology. But if you want to get all science-y, do tell us about the black Mesopotamians.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  78. @Eustace Tilley (not)

    What I struggled to give vent to in my stilted prose, you have elevated to sublimity with your divine poetry.

  79. Nappyman says:

    Dear White folks this a movie of a comic book.
    It’s Science Fiction/Fantasy.It is not real.
    You still have most of the money and weapons so chill out enjoy being the Master Race.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  80. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Haiti has been pretty much left to itself for 200+ years.” Total bullshit.

    • Replies: @anon
  81. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White guy here. If Wakanda helps black people feel good about themselves even for a couple hours, that’s great. Everyone is entitled to fantasy and escapism.

    The vast majority of blacks in the U.S. lead a life of confusion and utter uncertainty. Nothing makes sense. They have been subjected to years upon years of Democratic propaganda. They can longer think for themselves.

    They are trafficked through the big cities by high ranking Democrats. They have no life of their own. Blacks make horrible relationship choices. Probate and family courts are cultural centers within black life. The court decides everything of importance in their destroyed lives.

    Millions of blacks are receiving section 8. Section 8 pays the rent. The landlord in the big city is a Democrat who owns generally hundreds of properties. Of course blacks are held down. Think of the money being made! Kickdowns are endless with Democratic party politics. Keeping the blacks held down is big business. Like rap music and all other things cuturally black. Some Democratic Semite is making millions off this. A few blacks make some dough too. One in a million. But he sure serves as an inspiration!

    Wakanda is harmless. Black people are finished and they don’t even know it. Propaganda carries the day, everyday.

    Educating millions of blacks is neither desired or possible. They are worth more to the Semites poor.

  82. Anonymous [AKA "Damith"] says:

    Bwaahhhhh.. That’s Gold…or should I say ..Black Gold

  83. Miro23 says:

    At one time sociologists theorized that violent criminals suffered from low self-esteem and their violence derived from this low self-esteem. However, they were wrong.

    On testing the idea with prison populations, they found reality to be the exact opposite. A large proportion of violent criminals had excessively high self-esteem, and they were lashing out at people and situations that did not give them confirmation. Following this line, fictional Wakanda is probably going to build more false self-esteem and generate more potentially violent non-confirmation situations among Blacks.

    If Blacks look at their position in the US, there are many arguments for low self-esteem (e.g. group criminality and group educational failure), but a positive side of low self-esteem is a better assessment of reality, and it’s a gateway to actions aimed at getting out of the hole. And these Blacks are American citizens with better opportunities than most Blacks born in Africa.

    With an America First attitude and positive actions no doubt that they can make excellent American citizens (no need to reach top positions).

    The problem is that they’re being used as a tool by the SJW’s to attack Anglo-European America (with the SJW’s themselves mostly also a tool of an unbalanced section of radical US Jews). The radical Jewish left grew out Central Europe in the late 19th Century, and in the 20th they led the destruction traditional aristocratic and religious society. Now in the 21st, the aristocracy are long gone and religion has died, so they feed on any traditional remnant they can find such as the family or sexual identity.

    Blacks need to decide whether they ally with the destructors, who give them their Wakanda fantasies (but really couldn’t care less about them) or with the traditional US where they could earn some genuine self esteem and respect (e.g. Ben Carson).

    • Agree: Randal
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  84. Anon7 says:

    The good news is that those clever pale boys have created amazing virtual reality hardware and software that will allow black people to “actually (virtually)” go to Wakanda and spend all their waking moments there. It might even become a human right, like some people claim Internet access is.

    I would also contrast these visions of mud huts to some of the visions of a simpler life that have been created in science fiction. For instance, in Star Trek there was an episode in which people lived in an extremely simplified peasant town, but they were actually incredibly advanced space aliens; they just chose that reality as something the Star Trek people could understand. There was another version of this in which a group of people chose once again to live a very simple life that sort of medieval life, they have all the advanced technology, they just chose not to use it, because a simple life is a better life.

  85. @Miro23

    This is one of the best–and truest–comments I’ve read on this site.

    But blacks won’t “decide” anything. They will be led around by the nose by the–as you point out–group that (cynically) fans the flames of their exaggerated sense of self worth.

  86. Hacienda says:

    You’ve falsely conflated human evolutionary history with creation mythology.

    Well, technically and with through a touchy filter you could say that. But, then you do concede Adam and Eve are a white myth. So why then, do you give white Eden a pass, but come down so hard on black Wakanda? At least Wakandans are anti-colonialists and model conservers of the African natural world. Haven’t seen the movie, but seems to me white Edenites (and Chinese) have a lot to learn from black Wakandans!

    • Replies: @El Dato
  87. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Right, I saw that. But in the link I supplied the per theatre average was \$18K – unless I’m reading incorrectly, which is entirely possible.

    Is there a diff between per screen average and per theater average?

  88. JackOH says:

    densa, I guess I actually am a little surprised that a calm, sober Black American hasn’t made some sort of a modestly worded case for repatriation to Africa. C’mon, if you have a palette of racial grievances that seem to never be satisfactorily resolved, wouldn’t it be sensible to seek a way to return to a society where every face does indeed look like yours?

  89. t-gordon says:

    I am utterly exhausted by the hype surrounding this movie, WAKANDA and the attention/ analysis that it all has received. I can’t help feel that it’s all extremely unreal and childish. It’s more of the same unreality and sheer stupidity defecated into the mainstream by the superho genre. I reside in a predominately black neighborhood in a small Midwestern rust belt city and Wakanda this is not although around this time of year I can understand wanting to be anywhere but here regardless of ones race or IQ. I’m simply exhausted by adult examinations of a child’s movie. On a side note, I saw Paul Thomas Anderson’s Phantom Thread last week and was at least able to enjoy what I consider a movie produced by adults and for adults. It’s lack of violence left me as refreshed as one can be in this unreal month of Black History and Wakanda.

  90. @Haven Monahan

    Perhaps a more telling reason Ethiopia is not favored by lefties – unlike its neighbor, Eritrea – is because the Ethiopians were able to escape the totalitarian noose. The reason black Americans don’t is because Ethiopians don’t consider themselves to be black.

    Curious to me is that all other black people, in Africa and out, respect and admire the country and its accomplishments.

    Like most third-world countries, however, the economy & its benefits benefit a small clique, and it’s governed as a police state. Kinda something like where the good ol’ USA is headed!

  91. anon • Disclaimer says:

    You say that without even citing any sources or even making an argument. But my comment was true. Except for a brief period in the early 20th century when the US marines were there (and they built much of the island’s infrastructure), Haitians have basically had the whole place exclusively to themselves. After well over 200 years of black rule Haiti is the poorest and most backward country in the entire western hemisphere. I do not think for a moment this would be so if Haiti had been occupied by whites, Jews, Japanese, Koreans, etc. The epic fail that is Haiti is entirely attributable to its demographic racial makeup.

  92. Sampson says:

    oh man! the UNZ Review is relentlessly racist, no doubt by design.. but for that still stupid.
    whats his name Paul Kersey is ignorant anyway…or this review is ignorant maybe calculated s to be ignorant for whatever purpose

    but I wont be going to see this movie. I have not watched movies for a very long old ones I really like. I wont waste my time and money otherwise. I prefer to put in an hour or 2 over some good porn, with thick women of all ethnicity doing the nasty, struggling with big dicks and dildos.

    but Kersey is very funny all the same..especially with Baldwin. who says Baldwin was the most important Black american writer of the last century..Kersey?

    that is Kersey’s claim and contention..certainly to try legitimize his racist point here. But what did Eldridge Cleaver have to say about that..about his book Soul on Ice and elsewhere?

    Cleaver did not have much love for Baldwin did he and for clear reasons with which I concur

    and even if Baldwin’s was a heartfelt confession what was/is his confession but part of his undue and ill love for white people…white men directly.. a white-cock chewing, white-cum guzzling female of a black ma, who was not by any means a Black warrior, capable of defending or reconquering the world he had lost. Baldwin surely stood and watched the conquerors arrive and did not lose his life fighting them on the beaches of Africa, setting example to his people for ages to come as the way to proceed against the invaders until the last man was left standing..or the invaders were forced out. he would be too busy looking for a white cock to suck

    to use Baldwin sets up this review for the black-hating, historically inaccurate nonsense that it is.

    historically there is no modern and currently global, independently created, devoid of black contribution, dominant white social reality. that is not how the world works, how human social evolution works. all that stands currently also stand on all that has gone before. if the original African divination of who they were was naturalistic then nature was their template, the only one they had. but in keeping with the fact that all that exists must be modeled on what their creators, experienced, lived. so Africans, the first people, used nature as their template, and all subsequent societies built off Africa, through Kemet

    Kersey is manifestly a-historical and dishonest intellectually from the jump. and he continues by cutting off white society from its feeder sources, attributing all that so-called white society is, is purely due to white invention. but how in the hell can that be?

    we know who white people are and there is nothing that is originally white..that is starting off from Europe, after the ice, that could have led totally to what white currently is…unless cannibalism, Mammoth huts on frozen European ice age tundra, and mating with Neandertal.. can be construed as the basis of current white society. and yet we know that is not true for we can trace all Europe is back to the walls of Kemetian temples, Kemetian books, hieroglyphics etc..and to nowhere else

    current white society/culture is no separate monolithic whites only creation. utter nonsense in the face of the know absolute chronology of the human species. and we also know that the same cannibalistic, Neandertal hybrid..the Iceman Inheritance up in Europe..began as Aurignacian Blacks, who walked into Europe during an ice interstadial and got trapped…the for survival, manged to mutate into the whites we now know. even he, the white man started out as Black, African

    I can see I am going to have a lot of fun with this review

  93. Truth says:
    @Obsessive Contrarian

    Well, yes, Blaise: Some theaters show the movie on more than one screen.

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
  94. KenH says:

    It wouldn’t really matter if alt-righter and WN’s supported the BP phenomenon. Blacks will embrace message of BP or not regardless of what we think. Blacks have radically different thought processes than whites and will have very different takeaways.

    Personally, I find BP offensive only because it gives blacks the impression that Africa and African blacks would be the most advanced continent and people on earth had white Europeans not interloped into Africa, so this could further fuel their rage and resentment. So the evil white devil robbed blacky of his destiny.

    Wakanda is celebrated as a black ethnostate. Everything centers around black racial identity and ennobling and empowering the black citizens of Wakanda.

    The blacks, white SJW’s and others who’ve heaped fulsome praise on the movie and its message of black empowerment would be screaming white supremacy, staging protests and demanding scalps if a movie was made about a highly advanced mythical white ethnostate that restricted citizenship only to whites and placed a premium on white racial identity.

    So in 21st century America it’s racial identity for me (blacks and other non-whites) but not for thee (the founding white racial stocks).

    • Replies: @Talha
  95. Sampson says:

    yes..Baldwin, on the arrival of the white invasion, would surely have stood on the beaches and refuse to fight the invaders. we would have to wait for his Books some centuries up the road..books that a whole lot of Black people do not celebrate

    Black Panther is a movie I will not go see. Black Panther is a white creation, written by white writes or writers no matter who they are in the employ of the white power in whose hands nothing relative to Black people can be trusted. I might have gone were I not aware of the nature of these things. I cant go pay my hard-earned few dollars, and give of my time to this movie that is all likelihood calculated to harm my interest as a Black person

    that’s about it for me. I wont go into this review past this point unless I have to. discussion of the story is is of no importance for I am seen all that before racist and racial manipulation of audiences. that is bound to be the content or else why make the dam movie?

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This super insightful critique should be an article of its own.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  97. @Truth

    Thanks, hun. Just wanted to make sure that the other fellow (the polite one) and I were not comparing apples with oranges. Which we were.

    The per screen average of Thor & Wonder Woman exceeded that of BP. But the Panther’s run i snot yet over.

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
  98. @Sampson

    Can you wrap this up in two or three sentences?

    • Replies: @Sampson
  99. It is simple.
    What is the reason for difference between White Europeans and Black Africans.
    Africa in comparison to Europe was and is a Paradise.
    People in Europe From the beginning Had to fight adversary elements. There were many deaths in European settlers due harsh condition. To survive European conditions people had to be resilient and also innovative they had to put their brains to work to survive. They had to learn build houses to survive winter. They had to learn to store food for winter. Also they had to invent things.
    This was not required from people living in paradise called Africa.

  100. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe if Blacks imbibe the notion that they’ll be better off in their own Wakandan ethno-state we can get them to move there?

    You’ll be better off without us! No White man always oppressin’ you an’ sh-t. It’ll be just like the movie, I promise! But, don’t mention Liberia, it might discourage them.

    Where should this African Zionist utopia be placed?

  101. @Anonymous

    Jews concern themselves with Blacks for one reason only, to exacerbate and weaponize intrinsic Black incapacity. They then blame Whites to extort social concessions of genocidal magnitude.

  102. aandrews says:

    Julian Abagond seems not that enthused.

    Black Panther
    Monday February 19th 2018 by abagond

    Not so great: Killmonger, the only Black American character with more than a few lines, is the villain! He wants to use Wakanda’s wealth and power to free Black people all over the world. T’Challa, the moral centre of the film, sees that as a bad thing!!! In true Wakandan (White Liberal) fashion, he prefers handouts that keep the White power structure of the world in place.

    Wakanda First: Even though Wakanda has been more powerful and advanced than the West for hundreds of years, it sat by and did nothing as Whites dragged off millions of Africans into slavery and still did nothing as Whites took over Africa piece by piece. And continued to sit by under T’Challa, the supposed hero. Hero to whom!!?

    The most realistic part of the whole film was just that: if there were a Wakanda or a T’Challa it would probably go just like that: pro-Black in image but not in substance. We have seen that before. [Image of Obama.]

  103. @Sampson

    Sampson: It looks you did great
    In Nigerian studies to date.
    Your poor cogitation
    Gives strong indication
    Herb Zig-Zag’s one dude you can’t hate.

    • Replies: @Sampson
  104. Sam J. says:

    “…Am I the only one to see in Black Panther an informal argument for the voluntarist repatriation of African-Americans to Africa?…”

    No your not. I think this is fantastic and we should push this thing to the moon. We should convince every single African American that if they went to Africa and were not interfered with they could all be KANGS!

    I think we should get up a budget and offer the equivalent of 40 acres and a mule, around \$250,000 per person paid in 5 installment of \$50,000, to every Black that moves back to Africa and also commute sentences for the same. We should build fantastic high rise gated apartments with swimming pools and all kinds of bling for them to move into in Africa and advertise this like the second coming of Christ. Then, most deviously, offer to pay the first installment before they leave, [we need that to figure the number of apartment buildings to build]. Pay bonuses for private individuals to sign up Blacks for the move. Call it the reparations bonus payment to Blacks. Then in one big swoop move all that signed up to Africa into the apartments. Now how many inner city Blacks do you think could hold themselves back from getting \$50,000 for themselves and the same for every child they have? Got to be a small number. They wouldn’t be able to resist and of course they would change their minds but it would be too late.

    We should push this Wakanda idea all we can. If the CIA has funds for it we should make 10 movies with each one more fantastic than the the last promising everlasting peace, wealth and good will to all Africans. We should, in the movies, promise super buildings that have barbecue chicken wings and malt liquor that materialize like Star Trek. What ever it takes.

    The beauty of this is those with the least ability to control themselves would be the first to sign up. We should make sure there’s a few years between the bonus paid and the move so we can sign up as many as possible. Blacks who stayed would finally have made the decision that they’re Americans and that this is home no matter what. They will in no way be able to complain as they had their chance for reparations.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Truth
  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It feeds the general sense of grievance and resentment that fuels black violence against whites, and that diverts black attention away from the need to sort their own culture out rather than obsessively blame whitey for all their own inadequacies and the problems those cause, many if not most of which could be at least mitigated with a clear-eyed focus on reality rather than antiracist ideology.

    You are right that it plays to the ridiculous sense of Black grievance. But that was going to be around anyway … it will be for the next few centuries.

    And I pretty much disagree that there is anything Blacks could do to improve their culture. The more Blacks are on their own, the worse off they are. It’s the same story all over the planet.

    But is this movie anti-racist? Sounds like it is implicitly anti-White for sure, but it seems to embrace that reality of RACE as something biologically real. That’s worth something.

  106. JackOH says:
    @Sam J.

    Sam J., I can sort of half-arsedly see an enterprising politician with a cast iron stomach putting out the idea of incentivized repatriation to Africa as a way of oxygenating debate about race in America. As an alternative to distant Africa, Haiti would benefit from, say, 1 million talented, energetic American Black migrants underwritten by cash grants.

  107. @Obsessive Contrarian

    #1, GFYS. Number 2, I propose a reasonable question. Now get back on your White Horse and defend the Dindu Warriors on someone else’s proposal. I’m the epitome of calm and reason. You just don’t like my accusing your people.

  108. @Anonymous

    Yeah, I just don’t believe the numbers. It’s going to turn out that twenty times the Black population of the entire United States went to this thing three times in the first week.

    GoodWhites usually get their asses beaten down in these situations, you’re correct in your insinuation. Here come the GoodWhites on their noble White Steeds..

  109. Sampson says:
    @Obsessive Contrarian

    I don’t know what you want from me man. I pass UNZ at times and stop a bit when I see articles that attract my attention. I saw Kersey on this Panther movie, read the first part, realized he was up to no good, got pissed and let loose.

    I never edited what I said, never thought it out seriously, and came by this morning expecting to to see it not allowed by moderation. I am surprised that it is in fact up. they must have seen some modicum of value or usefulness from their point of view, in it

    what can I say?

  110. Sampson says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    wot is this?
    you found you way through. its clear enough

  111. eah says:

    Dennis Rodman probably.

  112. Anonymous [AKA "Scott f falkirk"] says:

    I’ll give u Haiti, but it’s not true that sub saharan africa was left alone. Someone once said that the reason sub saharan africa never got off th ground was due to th never ceasing islamic slave raids into th interior. Though of course they also raided in white mans land, so who knows?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anon
  113. KenH says:

    I already have the title for the third installment of Black Panther. It can be called:
    Black Panther III: Return of the Kang

    Neither the Black Panther character nor Wakanda are FUBU (for us by us which means for blacks by blacks) since they were the created by two Jewish men as others have noted. So it’s more like FUBJ.

    I haven’t yet seen this acknowledged in any of the glowing reviews from leftist or pro-black websites. If black power blacks don’t acknowledge this then by their own standards they are race sellouts.

  114. @Obsessive Contrarian

    Update, when I checked again, Thor per screen was \$11K.

    Same deal for WW.

    Not sure how I screwed that one up, but there it is. Very impressive numbers. Now let’s look at the legs.

    Star Wars Last Jedi has really bizarro numbers:

    Can you call a movie that made \$1.3bn a flop? I think I can, based on the drop off.

  115. Here are the streets of Johannesburg:

    Yesterday I also saw the streets of Pretoria:

    My geliefde Suid-Afrika. Jou mense haat jou.

    Posted by Herman John Clark on Wednesday, February 7, 2018

    So, it is all cool. I am sure Black Panther-2 through 7 are in order.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  116. @Sampson

    6/10 trolling(decent effort, poor impact)

    I think that the overall effect of loose grammar was effective, but the sentences were illegible so it made me not read them. I think it’ll be more provocative if you increase the legibility of the piece. Also, you seem to repeat the same point multiple times with no rhetorical device such increasing examples to support your contentions: in order to get a rise out of readers, imagery and concreteness can be helpful. I noticed the Afrocentrism claims – try and tie them to the Egyptian motif which is common, and slip in a reference to “kings” if possible as well.

    I suggest look up the poster Corvinus, and then putting your spin on it.

  117. mr meener says:

    it is because paul kersey is a jew

  118. Talha says:

    So in 21st century America it’s racial identity for me (blacks and other non-whites) but not for thee (the founding white racial stocks).

    Correct, I think Black Pigeon’s point was that one can use it (since it is a popular) to point out blatant hypocrisy and double-standards. In other words, it is another arrow in the quiver, and a fairly big one at that.


  119. Truth says:
    @Sam J.

    LOL, Stan Lee is not the only one with huge fantasies.

  120. Talha says:

    This doesn’t pan out. The Muslim societies of Sub-Saharan Africa were the most advanced ones. Especially in the Sene-Gambia region. They were studying astronomy, mathematics, medicine, etc. well in the medieval era – archives are available in Timbuktu.

    The lion’s share of well-organized, wide-ranging Sub-Saharan empires were also Muslim (or were animist and eventually became Muslim when the sovereigns converted):
    As far as slavery, that was pretty much par for the course in that area; Muslims and non-Muslims raided each other for slaves – the Muslims were just way better at it since they were far more organized (as evidenced by their expansive empires) they also sat on a boatload of gold. At the height of its power, the Empire of Ghana could field a massive 200,000 warriors. Africa had fairly powerful empires and people for a time. The same Arab conquering armies that rolled over Persia and Byzantium (and all her garrisons in North Africa) in relatively short time were stopped by the Ghanians as well as the Nubians:


    • Replies: @songbird
  121. And when whites say they prefer to have whites around instead of a larger and larger portion of towelheads et al. they are called racists …

    • Replies: @Talha
  122. Robert Dunn says: • Website

    I see this film further stoking the unfathomable hatred Black people have for whites! I mean, hate, blame shifting, victimization are easy and it’s human nature to do things that are easy rather than challenging. The supreme irony is that many of these hateful blacks would not even be alive were it not for processes put into place by white America especially the treasonous self-hating white liberals for welfare, food stamps, affirmative action, non-standardized tests is school suitable for their ‘culture’, and, of course, stabbing their own racial kinsmen in the back!

    • Replies: @Truth
  123. Talha says:
    @Bill Miller

    Which is quite silly an argument since “Muslim” isn’t a race…and plenty of Whites are Muslim – tons of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims in my area of the Midwest.


    • Replies: @anon
  124. Talha says:

    It’s Science Fiction/Fantasy.It is not real.

    Wonder if they’ll build a theme park out of it like they did for Hogwarts.


  125. I guess our sorely oppressed wimmen folk should have felt the same rush of ancestral pride at the depiction of the Paradise Island of Themiscryia.

    But who will cheer for our undersea ancestors in Atlantis? Only Prince Namor stands between them and the evil surface-men.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  126. @SteveRogers42

    One day, all movies will be identity movies.

    • Replies: @songbird
  127. IvyMike says:

    There just has to be a sequel somewhere down the road in which the Wakandans fight that greatest of all white powers, Galt’s Gulch.

  128. @Anon

    Anyone who has pride in himself for whatever reason is an idiot. He should already know that whatever he did to be proud of he did because it was what had to be done. And if you are proud of being white you are not white. White people don’t bother about being white, certainly not about being proud of it. There’s too much to get done for that. Some people know what they are doing and are busy getting the job done. Who cares what color their skin is.

  129. songbird says:

    Probably some of that stopping was disease. I’m guessing Arabs and Berbers might be a bit more disease tolerant than your average European when it comes to tropical diseases, but probably not as much as blacks. Horses can be affected too.

    • Replies: @Talha
  130. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    There was a brief period in Europe when they tried to seriously compete with Hollywood. Not having a single home market as big as the US, three or four countries would band together. They would shoot the same movie in three different languages with the same actors speaking their lines again in different languages.

    I can really imagine something similar happening, but with them using the same script and props but different actors. Commercials I think will definitely change. They will stream to the individual. Maybe not monoethnic, but no longer rainbow. These rainbow propaganda commercials don’t sell a product.

  131. Flash says:

    Good comment until around halfway through. Especially this:

    The thing is so many whites have fallen in instant love/lust with blacks because blacks are good in exciting stuff like sports, pop music, and comedy. And white women want to imitate the bouncy black female butts and lust after the Negro dong. And white people have been totally seduced by black voice in songs and oratory. White people worship black people along with homos.

    Drivel, absolute drivel.

    The vast majority of whites in the US (and increasingly Europe) actively choose to disassociate themselves from blacks by moving away from black-dominated neighborhoods and schools. According to literally every study or dating site statistic I can find, white women overwhelmingly prefer white men to blacks, something that I can personally attest to (I’ve been a bartender all around the US and have had front-row seats to a lot of sexual selection via nightlife).

    I can’t honestly say I see a large proportion of the white US population being in “in love” with blacks in media or entertainment either. Outside of diehard liberals, most just seem indifferent at best.

  132. anon • Disclaimer says:

    You make a good point. The Muslim trans-Saharan slave trade carried off at least twice as many blacks as did the Trans-Atlantic one. Saudi Arabia – ground zero for Islam – didn’t even ban slavery until 1962. It is also worth noting about 2,000,000 Europeans were carried off into slavery by the Barbary pirates alone. This doesn’t include the Ottoman Turks with their kidnapping of European children for Janissaries and harems. The word slave actually comes from Slav.

  133. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Plenty of whites are Muslim”..

    I beg to differ.

    • Replies: @Talha
  134. Talha says:

    Tell that to a Chechen when you see him. Post his reaction on YouTube once you get out of the hospital.


    • Replies: @songbird
    , @anon
  135. Talha says:

    That is possible, but the Arab historians don’t mention this. They do mention how tough the Nubians were, especially their archers – solid:
    “In 641 and 652 the Nubians were one of the few peoples capable of repelling the Arab invasions thanks to their archery skills. The Arab historians call them “pupil smiters” or “archers of the eyes” since they were able to shoot a man through a pupil of an eye from a long distance. Both sides signed an agreement (called the baqt) that lasted for the next five hundred years regardless of who ruled Egypt.”

    The early Muslims had no problem cutting a deal with tough people. For instance, the Turkish Jarajima tribe was allowed to forgo paying jizya as long as they helped defend the border against Byzantine incursions.

    Maybe one can make the argument that they felt parts of Sub-Saharan Africa simply weren’t worth the trouble. But, they did try to invade Nubia twice before concluding a pact.


  136. songbird says:

    The Tsarnaev brothers didn’t seem to consider themselves white. They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren’t against him.

    Maybe, that was the culture of growing up in America. Or maybe, they were using skin color as a proxy for Christianity. Funny considering how few whites go to church – in any case, it hardly matters if Chechens consider themselves white in Chechnya. Chechens certainly don’t have white normative behavior. Many don’t consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup. That’s the salient point.

    • Replies: @Talha
  137. Anne Lid says:

    Vakond. As in “Kisvakond”, ” The Little Mole”, “Krtek” in Czech. That’s a sweet cartoon directed by Zdenek Miler that everyone who grew up in the Eastern block knows. ( It’s touching that you know a random Hungarian word. I know two words in Czech, krtek is one.)

  138. Dr. Doom says:

    The Real Story is that the MOST DIVERSE MOVIE EVAH is a film with a virtually all black cast with a black director. Diversity just means NOT WHITE. Why do people say blacks are stupid?

    1) They believe a fantasy movie based on a comic book is the basis for their future.
    2) Their fake “black kingdom” looks EXACTLY LIKE the racist societies they hate.
    3) The comic book characters weren’t invented or drawn by any blacks originally.
    4) Probably NONE of the technicians, crew or effects people behind this movie are actually black.
    5) Only blacks will actually believe the premise of this movie or take it seriously.
    6) Only blacks will overlook the obvious lack of interest the Wakandans have in other blacks.
    7) No blacks will even wonder why the Wakandans didn’t lift a finger against White Colonialism.
    8) No blacks will even question how these blacks were so powerful and other blacks weren’t.
    9) This movie will have NO EFFECT on the misguided premise that Egypt was built by blacks.
    10) Wakanda has NO SCIENCE OR ENGINEERING and is based on a rock that fell from the Sky.;

    • Replies: @Truth
  139. Talha says:

    They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren’t against him.

    OK, but that is no different from Whites who join up with Antifa – are they no longer White? This only works if you believe White is a social construct; do you believe that?

    Otherwise, your genetic identity does not magically change with change in religion, political stance, etc. Else one has to explain lack of “Whiteness” on the part of Whites that targeted other Whites (over religion, ideology, etc) during events like the Thirty Years War, Spanish Civil War, WW2, etc.

    Many don’t consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup.

    The Chechens aren’t Europeans for sure, but they are White. As White as Avars, Circassians, etc. And if you’ve met Muslim Bosnians and Albanians (even Turks from Western Anatolia and Thrace*), then you know how White and European they look. Sure White Muslims may see non-Muslims (White or not as their out-group) but that doesn’t change them from being White.

    That’s the salient point.

    And that is a very good point if you, again, posit that White is a social construct based on changing perceptions of “normative behavior” like the decrease in church attendance you mentioned.


    *This is what a Turkish actor (who plays a character in the Ertugrul TV series) looks like:

    This young man from Turkey is quite popular as a Qur’an reciter and can imitate some of the most difficult recitation styles:

    • Replies: @Truth
  140. Anonymous [AKA "Kwik Leigh"] says:

    Yeah, I was waiting for you to tell white people to go back to Europe to create a white utopia free of brown people but, unsurprisingly, you didn’t do that.

  141. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The native land, for female homosexuals at least, would be the island of Lesbos, of course.
    Otherwise, the peninsular tip of Cape Cod, Provincetown, could be cut off from the rest of Cape Cod, e.g., via a short canal, to create a homeland in the Eastern U.S.

  142. Truth says:
    @Dr. Doom

    1) They believe a fantasy movie based on a comic book

    5) Only blacks will actually believe the premise of this movie or take it seriously.

    Nice nickname.

    • Replies: @Talha
  143. Truth says:

    LOL, some 150 IQ folks here still have problems believing that there are white Muslims.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  144. Talha says:

    Yeah – it’s really, really weird. My wife is a White woman – she didn’t magically become Shanaynay when she converted – so I don’t get it. Like, is it a genetic reality or a social construct? Pick one!!! So if Bosnians aren’t White, what race have they been for the last few centuries exactly? And if Muslims are their own race, then yes – you are accurately being called a racist – just own it.

    Also – blast from the past – Imperial Ottoman Archives baby!!! Homeboy served in the Imperial Air force starting in 1908:


    • Replies: @Truth
  145. Talha says:

    I see what you did there – LOOOOOL! I would set foot in Latveria if I were you.

    • LOL: Truth
  146. Talha says:

    The frickin’ Nazis recruited them…
    “Muslim members of the Waffen-SS 13th division at prayer during their training in Germany, 1943”


    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Malla
  147. Truth says:
    @Robert Dunn

    I see this film further stoking the unfathomable hatred Black people have for whites!

    LOL, well I’ve read most of the 33 articles written on this site about the film in the last month, it’s certainly stoking the unfathomable hatred white people have for blacks!

  148. Truth says:

    Good link.

    I actually know an author, here in N.M who wrote a book about a black pilot who flew for France in WWI

    • Replies: @Talha
  149. Truth says:

    I was totally unaware of this.

    • Replies: @Talha
  150. @Anonymous

    “Their promised land”

    Just not anywhere near Israel, right, Benjamin ?

  151. Talha says:

    That’s right, I read about Bullard. He had to go to France to fly since they wouldn’t permit him in the States. I think Ahmed Effendi beat him by just a few years.

    Interesting thing that the French saddled him up with the Moroccans first (from your link) – so even they had some level of segregation (which doesn’t make sense to me, why wouldn’t you team him up with Americans in the French Foreign Legion, he’s not an Arab):
    “At the beginning of World War I, Bullard joined the French army, serving in the Moroccan Division of the 170th Infantry Regiment.”

    The Ottoman Imperial Air Force didn’t seem to have the same issues – here is Ahmed Effendi standing smack dab in the middle of a picture of pilots:

    Interesting, the above article says he married a Greek immigrant lady.


  152. Talha says:

    Oh yeah – remember, the Bosniaks were some of the most feared soldiers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire – known by their unique style of wearing a fez and white gloves. They were the most decorated division of that Empire in WW1 so it’s not surprising that the Nazis wanted them – especially when times were getting rough with lack of manpower.

    Now the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians were more interested in protecting their homeland from Communist invasion than anything else. Which makes sense since the Communists were very anti-religious while the Nazis were willing to accommodate.

    Here is a good article that expands somewhat on their motivations:
    “The Nazis tried to cater to the Muslim religious needs of their recruits, but the soldiers themselves cared more about protecting their homeland (as promised by the Nazis), than anything else the SS and Himmler told them about racial equality/superiority to the inferior Jews. Riots and desertions were commonplace among the soldiers, often to the Communist Partisans led by Josip Broz Tito, who promised the soldiers amnesty if they joined the Partisans. The soldiers were only interested in protecting their homeland in Bosnia, so any incursions into Croatia or Serbia to help the Nazi allies or war effort there met with consternation among the soldiers, and even more desertions.”


  153. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Not sure what your point is. Chechens are neither European or white. “Bosnians” Christian Slavs who ‘turned Turk’ after they were conquered by the Ottomans are only a few million and so are the Albanians. Bosnia is a miserable little place that only exists because of the west and half its population is Croatian or orthodox Serb. As for Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state. I would say 99% of Muslims are not white. Not all of them but the huge and overwhelming majority.

    • Replies: @Talha
  154. Talha says:

    Not sure what your point is.

    My point is; there are plenty of Whites who are Muslims – I named ethnicities who are majority Muslim.

    Chechens are neither European or white.

    Chechens aren’t European. Chechens are White if “White” is considered a race. If they aren’t please cite a legitimate source (scientific journal, research) that states which race they belong to if other than “White”. In fact, do us a favor and find a nice solid legitimate source which defines the various races in clear terms of delineation. That would be a favor to us all because right now it seems pretty amorphous. If you are just citing your opinion, well I have a different opinion.

    Bosnia is a miserable little place…Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state

    OK – so White Muslims are capable of running miserable, corrupt mafia states. Doesn’t change their genetics.

    I would say 99% of Muslims are not white.

    Agreed, the majority of Muslims aren’t White or European – though your numbers are exaggerated.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @anon
  155. Avery says:

    { Chechens are White if “White” is considered a race.}

    Yo, Talha:

    I think when people use the word “White” here @unz and even in general conversations, they mean European stock, not the Caucasian/Caucasoid race. I think they mean the original founding stock of America the English, and later e.g. Norwegians, Germans, etc. I don’t think Spaniards or Italians are included in the ‘White’ classification.

    The guy that came up with the three race classifications – Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid – based the archetype ‘Caucasian’ on his studies of people that inhabit the region now called Republic of Georgia, under the Caucasus Mountains. Ethnic Georgians call themselves Kartvelians, which includes various local groupings, such as Svans, Zans, Mingrelians, Lazs,….

    I have this discussion with Armenian yutes here in SocCal all the time. They say so-and-so is ‘White’. I tell them, well Armenians are white, so who do you mean? They mean Anglo, but that’s the slang they use for Anglo-Saxons hereabouts: ‘White’.

    • Replies: @Talha
  156. Talha says:

    Yo Avery,

    Yeah, that’s what’s so confusing. OK, I’m down with that; so ‘White’ means Northern and Western (minus Spanish) Europeans (what about Slavs?). So then they are the ‘White’ race and the rest of the people that look “White” are Caucasoid? That sounds reasonable enough, but is there consensus on this? I don’t mind coming up with a new race called “Off-White”. I’m just looking for something that makes things clear.


    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Iberiano
  157. Malla says:

    There were Indians in the German forces too which included many muslims (which would mean ancestors of Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis). They were POWs from the British Indian Army most probably surrendered in north Africa to Erwin Rommel’s Deutsches Afrikacorps. Many of them fought against the Soviets in the German Army but their fighting record was not that great.

    Adolf Hitler had promised the radical Indian freedom fighter Subhash Chandra Bose support in ending British rule in India. However the Germans were far away, they had to get through the Soviets. The Iranians were very pro Third Reich German, so if they could get past the Soviet forces, getting to India via Iran would not have been hard. So Subhash Chandra Bose helped recruit Indian POW for the German cause. Interestingly when the Germans tried to include Indian muslims (which would include ancestors of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) with Bosnian and other muslim divisions, the Indian muslims said that they considered themselves Indian first and thus were kept in Indian divisions.

    As the Germans could not be of much help because the Soviet offensive was taking time time, so Hitler arranged him getting a submarine to Tokyo. In the Indian ocean, Subhash Chandra Bose swam from a German submarine to a Japanese submarine which took him to Tokyo. The Japanese government gave their support to him for his mission to freeing India from the British Empire and he helped create the INA (Indian National Army supported by the Imperial Japanese Army) from Indian POWs of the British Indian Army now captured in South East Asia by the Japanese Army. These INA Indian soldiers fought Indian soldiers of the British Empire armed forces in the Indo-Burmese border.

    Also check this out

    Many blacks, East Asians, Arabs etc… volunteered to fight for the Germans in WW2 or were captured POWs. The Mufti of Jerusalem was a close friend of Hitler. Hell there were even British volunteers in the German Army.

    many Soviets including Russians, Ukrainians, Tartars, Chechens, Cossacks, Kazakhs etc… joined the German Wehrmacht as they wanted to liberate their lands from brutal Communist rule. After the War, they were all sent back by the British and Americans to the Soviet Union to their deaths. Stalin wanted Soviet citizens back.

    At 5:53 minutes you can see Subhash Chandra Bose with Indian soldiers of the WW2 German Wehrmacht.

    • Replies: @Talha
  158. Avery says:

    There is no consensus as far as I know: just my observation over a long period of time hearing people talk and reading stuff at various sites.

    And as far as I can tell, Anglo-Saxon ‘Whites’/North Western Europeans do not consider Slavic peoples ‘white’: my unscientific observation is that they actually look down on Slavs as inferior.
    Nothing new: goes back centuries.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anon
    , @Truth
  159. Talha says:

    Your observations tend to correlate to mine. I was really hoping someone could put this whole White/non-White thing to rest with some level of authority or finality that way we can speak about it intelligently, but mostly it seems to be amorphous as I said.

    Which means the Left is correct when they say it is a social construct; because if you have a changing goal post depending on who you ask, then it really doesn’t have a fixed reality.

    I do know that historically in the US, for the purposes of anti-miscegenation laws in the South, people from Syria and Lebanon and Turkey were considered White. That at least has some legal association.


    • Replies: @Anon
  160. Talha says:

    Wow – fascinating – I had no clue!!!


  161. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “My point is there are plenty of whites who are Muslims”.

    I beg to differ. Only a very small proportion of them.

    “I named ethnicities that are majority Muslim”.

    Actually you named only one – the Albanians. “Bosnian” is not an ethnicity, although Serbian and Croatian are.

    “Chechens are white”.

    No they are not.

    “Cite a legitimate source on race”

    Where are yours? And what is “legitimate” in this politically correct cultural Marxist age?

    “..I have a different opinion”.

    We all have opinions sport that is why I said I beg to differ (but you wouldn’t let it go would you?). You say “plenty” when I would say very few.

    “the majority of Muslims are not white or European”

    This is your only factual comment.

    “your numbers are exaggerated”

    Nope. YOURS ARE.

    By the way sport, I use my good old lying eyes to decide if somebody is ‘white’ or not.

    • Replies: @Talha
  162. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Nonsense. Slavs are white and are considered so.

  163. Truth says:

    Technically, you can’t be a member of the American Nazi Party if you are a Slav.

    • Replies: @Talha
  164. El Dato says:

    But, then you do concede Adam and Eve are a white myth.

    I think it comes from the Assyrians from way back from the Bronze Age. Are they “white”?

  165. Talha says:

    I beg to differ.

    So do I, we have plenty as far as I’m concerned.

    No they are not.

    Says you. They are – says I.

    Nope. YOURS ARE.

    Really, that’s where we’re at now; I know you are, but what am I – while using an anonymous handle.

    Cool, listen. You have your opinion, I’ve got mine. Obviously we’re basically trading opinions here because nobody can seem to find anything substantial on what White means other than your “good old lying eyes”.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  166. Talha says:

    Ah see – now we are talking! This is the kind of stuff I’m looking for – OK – so Slavs aren’t whites. Well, there goes my whole use of Bosnians – totally sucks!

  167. I don’t know if any of you remember Eddie and the Cruisers, a silly little 80s movie about a fictional rock band and its “troubled genius” frontman. Blah blah blah.

    About a year after it came out, the theme song came on the radio at work and one of my co-workers told me how much she liked the Cruisers and the documentary about them. I had to break it to her that “On the Darkside” was by Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, and the movie was pure fiction.

    She denied it, and became quite upset. I mean, one step from “little girl sobbing and stamping her feet” unhinged, and we’re talking about a middle-aged woman. Granted, she wasn’t especially bright, but I wouldn’t say she was any more foolish or crazy than half the population.

    Once I realized her unreasonable commitment to her delusion, I backed out of the conversation as gracefully as I could. Who cares, right?

    I can’t help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she’d been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.

    • Replies: @Truth
  168. Truth says:

    I can’t help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she’d been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.

    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Sollipsist
  169. annamaria says:

    When left in charge in America, the blacks create this:
    “Business owners in the inner city are panicking about the threats outside their stores: drug dealing, intimidation, stabbings, and shootings… Businesses have adapted to the warzone like environment by hiring guards, installing bullet-resistant glass, door buzzer systems, and basically turning their shop into a mini-fortress. Some businesses are just shutting down, as the warzone like climate is not producing a sustainable atmosphere for a healthy economy.
    “Our members are very concerned,” said Cailey Locklair Tolle, president of the Maryland Retailers Association. “Unfortunately, a lot of our members don’t relocate. It’s a massive endeavor. A lot of times they just go out of business.”
    — Where will the new-Wacandians (the former Baltimoreans) go to eat and collect handouts when all the working people in Baltimore run away from the black rule to places with the white rule?

  170. Miro23 says:

    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.

    Why not an African country that had bullet trains, flying people and spaceships? Sounds good to some people. 500 years ago most of N.Europe believed in saints, miracles, witches, purgatory and heaven. Leading intellect Sir Isaac Newton regarded himself as chosen by God for the task of understanding Biblical scripture, and spent plenty of time interpreting and writing on the Book of Revelation.

    • Replies: @Truth
  171. @Truth

    I guess age is relative. You may consider the explicitly stated “middle aged” to be “young” if you happen to be elderly. A lot of people confuse subjective with objective, so don’t be too embarrassed.

    Or you may have simply missed that detail in your rush to successfully miss the point. But kudos on semi-correctly using the word “conflating” in a sentence. Toss in “false equivalence” and something about “privilege” and your liberal arts teacher may give you a passing grade for your response.

    • Replies: @Truth
  172. Truth says:

    Yes, and now many people sit on the shore of a placid lake, and believe that they are hurdling through space at 17,000 miles an hour.

    I guess you are right.

  173. Truth says:

    Toss in “false equivalence”

    OK; I guess we’re on the same page after all.

    • Replies: @KenH
  174. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Agreed. It was pretty epic. And saved me a lot of typing.

    Just to emphasize, though:

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:

    It’s an homage to who we were, a celebration of who we are

    No, you nincompoop, it’s not remotely who you were–not for one instant in the entirety of human history, no–and it’s not remotely who you are. The one thing you appear to excel at is delusion.

    Reginald Hudlin:

    They were ahead of us a thousand years ago. And no one has colonized them, burned their books

    WTH? Books? In primitive, sub-saharan africa? What books were these? Oh, that’s right, they got burned. At least the Meso-Americans can point to Bishop Landa, who actually did these things–because the Americans actually had civilizations. Delusional.

  175. anon • Disclaimer says:

    My “good old lying eyes” are all I need sport. You say “plenty” (would you please put that in percentage terms?). I say few.

    And how does calling yourself ‘Talha” make you any less anonymous then me?

    • Replies: @Talha
  176. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I bet you think George Zimmerman is white.

    • Replies: @Talha
  177. Talha says:

    Well, since we can’t really agree on base terms of “White” – it is kind of irrelevant to hash numbers.

    And how does calling yourself ‘Talha” make you any less anonymous then me?

    At least you can see my previous posts to make a character judgement.

  178. Talha says:

    I don’t know; wasn’t he like half-Latino, half-Jewish or something? Opinions don’t help here – if you can point out some scientific or research study or something with substance, we’re just going to trade opinions. Look, I don’t have a good solid source that everyone can agree on, no one else around here seems to either. If you do, please point it out, it would really help move the discussion along.

  179. @Anon

    Great comment. Without whitey, this computer, movies, none of the electronic world would have been created. Those no good whiteys came from Europe-they were responsible for giving us all kinds of electronic gadgets, and they gave us all kinds of medical breakthroughs.
    This denigration and hate of whitey that is ongoing in the USA is completely ridiculous and insane. None of us would be talking about any of this without the genius of the whites who have invented darn near everything that involves electricity and modern medicine.
    The mainstream media that hates us “whiteys” wouldn’t have any of their hate machines without us. Without vaccines and medicines given to the world by Europeans, that is, “whitey”, most of the haters would not have lived long enough to become spoiled , self serving brats with massive egos and a massive sense of smugness.
    These egotistical, smug, rich “stars” on late night television shows would be nothing without the very people they hate.
    The fake history movies constantly produced by Hollywood are the result of the genius of Europeans who invented just about everything, and now all these inventions are being used to denigrate “whitey”. I am very proud of “whitey”.

    I am very proud of The Unz Review and the brilliant columnists who feed my mind and allow me to learn and to see who the sneaks and scoundrels are in this world. I am proud of those calm, decent men and women who taught me how to think. I avoid the screamers, liars, and hate merchants.

    The world would have been a far duller place without whitey.

    I was always part of the lower middle class and poor whites until I got educated- thanks to whites.
    I served in Marines in late 60s- I got along well with whites and blacks and all kinds despite the Corps being a pretty miserable experience.
    I used benefits given to me by a decent government which has been slowly eroded by hate merchants over the past 20 plus years with the worst hate going on from 2008 to 2016.
    I feel that the election loss of Hilary Clinton gave goodhearted Americans of any color and especially the trampled upon whites a new lease on life.

    Anyway, appreciate column and comments.

  180. @Bardon Kaldian

    It is possible for most of a country’s youth to be this dumb.

  181. Anonymous [AKA "John E"] says:

    To this I have but one reply –

    Russia! Russia! Russia!

  182. Iberiano says:

    Spaniards, unless specifically NOT white, are White. In fact, there’s genetic and cultural evidence that the Celts (at least one major tribe) emigrated from what is today Asturias, Galicia and Cantabria to the British Isles, which is why they look so similar, and why so many share the same genetic fingerprints–as well as bagpipes !

    The simple standard for ANY race is, “what does person X look like” and what would most people SAY they look like? Social standing and status as well as culture can play a part (Mariah Carey would definitely be considered white in Brazil). But overall, if you are Felix Trinidad from PR, 99 percent of the world knows you are a black male, whether you are Latino or not. Just as 99 percent of the world knows Andy Garcia is white, Shakira is White/Arab, and Penelope Cruz is White/Moor. People sort by the obvious, just as while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, symmetry, hair quality, height, all that, can be a universal standard to a degree.

    People like to point out some exception, “but muh Fins have Chino eyes and white skin…but muh neighbor’s Mexican with red hair”. IF SOMEONE LOOKS WHITE they ARE WHITE. Not just skin, facial features, hair texture, body type, etc. Same with black or anything else. Yellow and Red exist as colors regardless of Orange in between.

    • Replies: @Talha
  183. Pat Boyle says:

    I don’t know much about bible verses but I do know the song. Go to YouTube and click on “Va Pensiero” from Nabucco. It’s the most famous chorus Verdi wrote until he wrote the Anvil Chorus in Trovatore and the Triumphal scene in Aida.

  184. Talha says:

    I like this line of thinking in general and it makes sense to me but many people around these parts refuse to accept that a Syrian or Circassian or Latino that has blonde hair and green eyes is White.

    It seems to be a very subjective thing. Which makes this difficult if the white nationalist people want to get anything off the ground. If one wants White to legally mean something, they have to be able to legally define it.


  185. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    In the modern US you are white if you look white (-ish) and say you are. However, it seems to be common now for people on the fringes of “whiteness” like North Africans and Lebanese and Persians (and octoroons/quadroons/so on) not to identify as white. Armenians though do seem to identify as white.

    Nobody considers Indians white though I think that was their legal status at one point (before a census category was introduced for them).

    Slavs … if they aren’t white then who is? Albinos?

    • Replies: @Talha
  186. Talha says:

    Yeah – confusing stuff. Goal pasts keep moving and it’s really about how one feels about the topic since there is no consensus.

    I can easily pass for Latino, Moroccan, Persian, potentially Greek, etc. and when I was younger, I used to always check the “White” box when asked – back in the day they really didn’t give you many options. Later on they started adding more options like that for Indo-Pak (I never felt comfortable checking of “Asian” because that always seemed to be associated with East-Asians).

    Slavs … if they aren’t white then who is?

    Well, apaarently, some people around here don’t consider Circassian children that look like this to be White either – so I have no clue:

    I mean, it’s not a super-high priority for me (I don’t care what racial category people put me in); I already have a well-defined prioritized in-group/out-group on multiple levels. But for the people who consider this the most important thing in discourse, it would be nice if there were parameters that one could work with.


    • Replies: @Talha
  187. Talha says:

    Reminds me of this guy…

    “Let me tell U about what parts of the world are White…”

  188. Now, all those races/populations that have never managed to build large-scale civilizations will need their own versions of Wakanda.

    So, Aboriginal Australians will need their Dream Time, and Negritos will need … where, at least in fiction they can create the things they are not capable of.

  189. Públius says:

    What racist drivel is this? But I guess reading Unz Review means being able to separate the wheat from the chafe.

    First the suggestion that technology, as a value, is exclusive to white civilization is the most laughable thing I’ve read since Mein Kampf. White civilization is largely built upon the “borrowing” of other peoples technology and reverse engineering it to an even better standard (Gunpowder from China, Mathematics from Islam, Monotheism from Egypt to give a few examples). Just because white civilization has largely directed technological development these last 200 years, doesn’t make it its property. In fact today, technology development is largely dependent on immigrant talent and this talent is seduced into working for white civilization with the capital that was stolen from their native homelands. Let’s not forget the plunder involved to fund technological development since the British stole loot from Spanish galleons (which in turn plundered American civilizations).

    But if you racist readers out there want to keep deluding yourselves into thinking that this world is yours thanks to your skin color and knowledge, by all means, continue to do so. Like all civilizations before you, hubris and even larger talent will replace you with something else. The world will keep spinning without you. Countries like China or a coalition of non white countries will eventually swallow you up.

    • Replies: @jakealope
  190. KenH says:

    Some time ago I told you blacks would walk out of the theater believing Wakanda was real. Looks like that time has come:

    • Replies: @Truth
  191. Truth says:

    It’s generally white people who are interested in, take, and can afford, these flight-of-fancy trips, Sport.

    So you and your SWPL buddies say “hi” to T’Challa for me.

    • Replies: @jakealope
  192. KenH says:

    So you and your SWPL buddies say “hi” to T’Challa for me.

    You can count on me, truther. But I’ll at least get you a souvenir, say, a Wakandan lip plate?

  193. Anonymous [AKA "Johnny T"] says:

    So Wakanda is a closed single race society (think the Nazis or Trump and his border wall) and are technologically superior because they found a majic metal. Are we being led to believe that the only way for a black society to excel is through the discovery of something majical that they exclusively own and by emulating the actions of racist leaders? I really hope not.

  194. Anonymous [AKA "powerupgo"] says:

    I always find it very interesting that a group of people that believe that they are so superior finds it so necessary to concern themselves with what another group, that they feel is so inferior to them, thinks about. Much of what people think about themselves, and the group that they associate themselves with, is based on myth even more than it is based on reality.

  195. Anonymous [AKA "powerupgo1"] says:

    If you go back 10,000 years ago white people didn’t even exist. Whiteness is a result of a mutation that happened around 8000 years ago. Just some science for you to think about.

  196. Anonymous [AKA "Trevlacme"] says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I was a Peace Corps Volunteer in Ghana. I could not agree with this post more, except perhaps that the situation is worse than described.

  197. jakealope says:

    The only advanced groid run nation in the world, Wakanda, is in a children’s comic book super hero fantasy created by whites. And they think IQ scores are cultural

  198. jakealope says:

    You’re an uneducated racist idjit who doesn’t have the capacity to understand that all cultures build off of previous cultures. You run on about gun powder yet the white men took it from China and developed muskets to rapid fire machine-guns, while the Chinese never used gunpowder in a simple cannon. Ditto with Math. Euros discovered the laws of gravity and Calculus while the Arab inbreds took the most advanced part of the Old World and its knowledge and ran it into the ground

    • Replies: @jakealope
  199. jakealope says:

    Like everyone else with “truth” in your name, you are a liar

  200. jakealope says:

    “all cultures build off of previous cultures.” AND CERTAIN white ones, and the Japanese, do it the best.

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