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The F-16 really is a beautiful piece of engineering.

It is the Silver Wraith of the skies.

The Drive:

The four U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter jets that recently flew a mission over the highly contested South China Sea were photographed landing at Yokota Air Base in Japan, en route to their home base at Misawa. The images confirm that these jets were armed for counter-air operations with a heavy load of live air-to-air missiles. The jets’ appearance in the South China Sea last week coincided with the biggest presence of People’s Liberation Army aircraft in Taiwan’s southwest air defense identification zone (ADIZ) in recent times: 25 aircraft in all.

The Viper photos, taken by Iori, whose tweets can be found here, detail the jets’ extensive armament. Each jet was armed with five beyond-visual-range AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and a single short-range AIM-9 Sidewinder — one of the latest AIM-9X missiles on some of the jets, or an older AIM-9M on the others. Under the belly, each aircraft was fitted with an AN/ALQ-184 electronic countermeasures self-protection pod. All of the weapons were live, a relatively uncommon sight, especially over Japan, and indicated that this was much more than a simple long-distance training mission and, instead, a calculated signal to the Chinese military and possibly even a contingency operation.

As evidenced by the AN/ASQ-213 HARM Targeting System, the distinctive pod-mounted sensor found under the right side of the aircraft’s intakes, these jets are the radar-killing Wild Weasel F-16CM versions but, on this occasion at least, they were carrying maximum air-to-air load-outs. That these live missiles were then taken over the sensitive South China Sea suggests a willingness to demonstrate U.S. ability to generate defensive combat air patrols (CAPs) in proximity to Taiwan, as well as other hotspots in the region.

The photos were taken on April 17, when all four of the jets that had been involved in the South China Sea flight on April 12 touched down at Yokota Air Base, in eastern Tokyo, at around 3:00 PM local time, presumably for a fuel stop, before departing again around 5:00 PM. They then flew home to Misawa Air Base, their home station, around 400 miles further north.

The American people should be asking if a war with China is actually desirable, but there seems to be no interest in that question.

The people should ask: “How is this good for America?”

Instead, people seem to be totally unaware that it is even a question they should be asking.

Most right-leaning people in America are still stuck in a very unfortunate fantasy wherein Joe Biden is actually an agent of the Chinese. This would mean that China, through their control of Joe Biden, is running a massive smear campaign against itself, and threatening a war with itself.

Schizophrenically, right-wingers who more or less deny the coronavirus will also claim that China sent the coronavirus as some kind of biological weapon.

I’ve been reading the WikiHow on How to Talk to a Schizophrenic in order to try to explain to Republicans the fact that the Jewish media is using the China thing as a distraction, while also plotting a war against them to solidify a global government system. It hasn’t really helped. They typically just accuse me of being “in on it” with the Chinese.

When these people start talking about alleged threats from China (most of which are not based in reality at all, a few of which are distorted truths), I’ve really focused on the fact that China is most concerned about Taiwan, and that the US could more or less get any demand fulfilled in exchange for surrendering Taiwan, but it just doesn’t register.

Meanwhile, the left is unconcerned about foreign policy completely, and is focused on attempting to start a war inside of the United States, against the cops and against white people.

As far as I can tell right now, it seems more likely that Russia will be the first target of the current military regime of the United States. The military is threatening both Russia and China equally, but there is more chatter in the media aimed towards justifying a war with Russia.

Russia would also, very clearly, be an easier target than China. Russia has a lot of internal problems, which would become much exaggerated during a war.

The end goal is to overthrow all regimes that are opposed to the Western, Jewish-dominated New World Order system. So both Russia and China are going to have to change their governments in the near future. However, taking out Russia would mean that China is the only major target left.

The biggest question right now is how much, if at all, China would commit to helping Russia defend herself against a ZOG attack.

A war between the US and the combined forces of Russia and China would be interesting. A war between the US and Russia alone would not really be very interesting. Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia. That’s true at least as far as an observer is able to observe.

If you don’t think this is really happening, then you probably need to rethink that: StratCom just issued a warning to Americans that we might be nuked as a result of the Biden Regime escalating tensions with these two nuclear powers.

Over the last years, we’ve seen a total march toward a New World Order, but a New World Order cannot exist alongside these two independent regimes. Therefore, it is a historical necessity that these regimes be crushed.

Whether or not Americans are taking this seriously or are more concerned about sussing out the Mystery of the Racist Cops, the rest of the world is very much focused on the bizarre, deranged actions of the US military.

When we said that the Biden Administration would be war-hungry, even we couldn’t have predicted that they would be this aggressive. Probably the most frightening part of all is that no one really seems to have any idea who is in charge. The military seems to largely be operating on its own, with the Administration officials and the media left to simply explain what the military is doing after the fact.

So, basically: make sure you have a desk to hide under.

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  1. El Dato says:

    StratCom just issued a warning to Americans that we might be nuked as a result of the Biden Regime escalating tensions with these two nuclear powers.

    Well, the wholesale abandonment of the INF treaty under Trump had less to do with Russia than with a casuistic justification to develop & deploy intermediate nuclear missiles that can be moved closer to and aimed at China. This makes a rapidly escalating hot war more probable due to the tyranny of the “use it or lose it” situation: Keeping reserves stops making sense.

    https://thediplomat.com/2019/08/where-will-the-us-base-intermediate-range-missiles-in-the-pacific/

    On August 3, a day after the United States formally exited the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty with Russia, recently confirmed U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper remarked that he hoped to see previously banned missile types deployed to Asia “sooner rather than later.”

    Reminder that the US has a “nuclear first-use” policy in effect, while accusing Russia of doing just that.

    As for the UK, which appears to be a sink for expensive US warcrap (Trident missiles, F-35s) and a go-to place for servile but nasty propaganda ops (Polonium poisoning, Ukraine shootdown, Steele Dossier, Salisbury event, Integrity Initiative, Bellingcat, Assange), it turns out it is ready to perform probing operations for the US:

    April 14: Moscow orders ships to conduct Black Sea naval exercises amid confusion over whether US will deploy warships to volatile region

    April 19: British warships set sail for Black Sea showdown with Russia, days after American sailors ‘cancel’ plan to chart course for region

    The Sunday Times reported over the weekend that a Type 45 destroyer, armed with anti-aircraft missiles, and a Type 23 submarine-hunting frigate will detach from the Royal Navy’s carrier fleet in the Mediterranean in order to pass into the Black Sea next month.

    At the same time, defense sources told the newspaper that British warplanes would be standing ready on the country’s flagship aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, to intervene, should the vessels run into problems. Like other carriers, the waterborne runway, which can carry up to 60 jets and helicopters, is banned under international treaties from entering the Black Sea.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  2. I didnt read the Drive article because i know they tend to cater to the same schizo crowd me tioned. I hope though they mentioned China wouldn’t be cowed by those missiles on those F16’s since China’s air to air missiles are about double the range.
    Its the same with acting tough toward Russia over Crimea.
    But yeah any American who thinks it is cool or tough to fight either Russia or China even with all of NATO is psychotic.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams, Uncoy
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @Uncle Jon
  3. The US could not fight a land war in Asia. They couldn’t even secure Afghanistan.

    They can hold small areas of vital ground, such as the Syrian oil fields, but only at prohibitive cost.

    American forces overseas are concentrated on vulnerable bases like Diego Garcia. They could be destroyed if they initiate hostilities, and the military men know it. They have no hope of stirring up regime change in their peer adversaries. The Washington Regime isn’t even supported at home.

    The neocon war-mongers are making bold moves, but have a weak hand.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride, Uncoy
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  4. d dan says:

    “US Air Force Flew Full-Loaded F-16s… “

    US military is playing with nuclear launch buttons while Americans are sleeping…, metaphorically as well as literally sleeping at night, and every night.

    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
    , @VICB3
  5. @beavertales

    Well you are correct about those vulnerable bases… That is why they try to form “coalitions” (prettier term than “gang”) in hopes that the death and destruction would be spread out. As long as mainland USA isnt touched… Though Russia – Alaska might be an issue.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  6. Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia.

    Perhaps this is true, but the downside for Americans would be that the USA (and perhaps Team America® in its entirety) would also cease to exist.

    Rather a pointless exercise.

    • Replies: @Herald
  7. As a father of a schizophrenic, please refrain form using such an analogy. It’s the easy way out. Do a little more research, then find a different tactic. Please. The people who run this show are not schizophrenic. Mentally ill: Greedy, Narcissistic. Socially Dysfunctional, god Complex and more… Yes.

    • Replies: @Thomas Pickering
  8. @d dan

    Yep, this is stupid stuff. Reminds me of the horrific game of sending strategic bomber air wings toward the Soviet Union then sending a recall order at the very last moment.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  9. Here’s hoping Americans figure out what is best for themselves before cataclysm shows them what is, indeed, best for themselves.

    In the meantime, we might as well keep living and enjoy ourselves. Well, and keep trying to convince people war abroad is mad. I mean, we haven’t even united North America yet!

  10. raga10 says:

    Was this before or after Chinese sent fully loaded aircraft carrier with escort of several smaller ships to menace Japan?

    (that was a rhetorical question, BTW. The answer is, “after”)

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Bork
  11. Easy Pete says:

    I don’t care about armed intercepts whether done by Americans or Russians. It’s nothing. Please, don’t tell me how China is a victim of U.S. aggression. My tolerance for you is nil.

    • Replies: @ivegotrythm
  12. Meh, it’s easy to go up to an adversary’s border when you have weapons … try doing it in an unarmed RC-135.

    • Replies: @Corrupt
  13. Jiminy says:

    As Bert used to say,” Duck and Cover.” It’s funny though, the more things change the more they stay the same. Kids there will no doubt soon be watching the recycled 50’s films at school. Here today, chairman Morrison declared that several states involvement with the BRI had been cancelled by him. Obviously sleepy joe got in his ear, and like an ear worm is driving him crazy as well. There are clearly plans afoot.

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  14. antibeast says:

    The US F-16s won’t survive against China’s J-20s with its PL-15 VLRAAM which has a range of 350km for BVR air-to-air combat against the AIM-120C-7 which has range of 100km. That’s assuming the F-16s can even ‘see’ the J-20s which has an RCS small enough to be undetectable.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @bojangles
  15. It is telling that the best they can do is a piece of 45 year old technology.

    The F16 was on the drawing board back when the US could put a man on the moon.

    • Replies: @bojangles
  16. @raga10

    “to menace Japan”???? That is MSM nonsense to promote “the China threat”. Geography is important. In order for the Chinese navy – to get to the Pacific – it HAS TO pass Japan (or the Philippines through the South China Sea). That’s why US doctrine is to keep China within the so called “first island chain”. China can legally pass Japan to get to the Pacific – but it is not legal to try to cordon off China within an artificial boundary. So the only menacing is on the US end by having bases surrounding China.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @raga10
    , @nietzsche1510
  17. @antibeast

    Nah- it’s a waste of time to send J-20’s out against F-16’s. That would be overkill… J-10’s would most likely be sent out. Those planes have better radars still and longer range missiles and flies faster and higher and is more maneuverable. But they also train together with other planes – so you never know:

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-s-next-generation-j-10c-fighters-get-powerful-new-ws-10-engines

    • Troll: Agent76
    • Replies: @antibeast
  18. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    What business does Chinese navy have in the Pacific proper, anyway? They have no territories there. In any case, there is perfectly adequate passage between Taiwan and Philippines – they don’t need to use Miyako Strait which, although it does contain a stretch of international waters, separates Japanese islands.

    Sending large battle group there might be technically legal, but is an obvious provocation. And technically it is just as legal for Americans to fly their jets over South China Sea if they like – there was no mention of them ever entering Chinese airspace.

  19. @raga10

    lol. swap ‘china’ & ‘usa’ and try again.

    • Replies: @raga10
  20. raga10 says:
    @workforlivn

    I’m not American and I’ve often been critical of USA. But that doesn’t mean I’m automatically going to brownnose to China, or to Russia for that matter.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    , @One-off
  21. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Yeah, you’re right. The J-20s are ‘strategic’ fighter jets unlike the ‘tactical’ fighter jets such as the J-10s which means a few J-20s get sent out first to destroy the USAF airborne assets needed to support the F-16s such as refueling tankers or AWACs. Besides, the J-20s don’t have a cannon which means they can’t dogfight in the air after they run out of missiles. A squadron of J-10s, J-11Bs or J-16s following the J-20s would do well in air-to-air combat against the F-16s.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  22. @raga10

    What do you mean what business does China have in the Pacific? Ummm – China is a coastal nation.
    It’s not Mongolia or Kazhakstan. The Pacific is international waters – waters which China needs to operate in to protect itself from the US.. Let’s be real… Why are Miyako still a part of Japan??? When Japan surrendered in WW2 she was to be restricted to her 4 main islands. The US gave Japan all those little islands including Okinawa (Ryuku) just to try to hold China captive. Be serious.
    In any event – if they went south of Taiwan closer to the Philippines – the same squawk boxes would claim they are threatening the Filipinos. Come on… So in any event – why use more gas…??

    In any event – any country can fly through the South China Sea. But if you fly over islands that any of the nations claim – then that is a provocation. You don’t get the difference…??? Remind me of how far the US is from the South China Sea…

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @raga10
  23. @antibeast

    True… Not to mention the Su-35’s they bought from Russia also operate in that region.

    Pentagon officials surely know these things… I honestly don’t get why they waste time doing stuff like this. I guess they have to use up the operational budget they get each year…

    • Troll: Agent76
    • Replies: @antibeast
  24. d dan says:
    @showmethereal

    “What do you mean what business does China have in the Pacific? It’s not Mongolia or Kazhakstan… “

    Amazing isn’t it, for people to ask what business does China have in the Pacific?

    Actually even Mongolia and Kazakhstan also have the rights to sail their navies (yes Mongolia has a navy) to Pacific Ocean. But somehow there are people who think it is none of China’s business…

    From the other comment:

    “Pentagon officials surely know these things… I honestly don’t get why they waste time doing stuff like this. I guess they have to use up the operational budget they get each year…”

    That is could be the reason, or they may think it has propaganda value (for Taiwanese or Japanese, eg). Alternatively, don’t underestimate the stupidity of some local military officers, who may still think US has the most advanced hardware in the world.

    That is why US military is so dangerous to world peace.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  25. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    What do you mean what business does China have in the Pacific? Ummm – China is a coastal nation.

    I said, Pacific PROPER, meaning beyond the chain of islands, and I didn’t say China – I said Chinese navy. I am aware Pacific is international waters, but I see no reason why Chinese military should be operating there other than for posturing and intimidation. “Protecting itself”? Come on – that’s not what aircraft carriers are for.

    Mao himself allegedly said that aircraft carriers are a tool of imperialism, and for a while after his death Chinese leadership swore that China would never build aircraft carriers. Now they have two in operation, and possibly more in the pipeline. Mao was absolutely right, though: aircraft carriers *are* a tool of imperialism. What changed is that China now does have imperialist ambitions.

  26. President Biden’s 2022 budget proposal has just a small increase for the massive Pentagon budget. As a result, Generals are flooding our media scribes with BS about threats. Four F-16s cannot intimidate the thousand Chinese fighters in that region.

    If the US was serious about war with China, it would evacuate its resorts on Okinawa that would be destroyed on Day 1 in a war with China leaving 30,000 American civilians stranded and starving. I’m assuming our Generals are competent.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Fred777
    , @showmethereal
  27. Meanwhile, the left is unconcerned about foreign policy completely, and is focused on attempting to start a war inside of the United States, against the cops and against white people.

    The regime seems intent on starting wars against China, Russia, and America’s White population, all at the same time. I can’t really explain their behavior except by restating what I have long known to be true about “liberals”: they are malevolent nihilists who take the side of evil, death, destruction, falsehood, and filth on all issues, all the way, all the time. The only hope for the continuation of civilized human life—and most likely, of biological human life—lies in their elimination. If you think that’s an impossible task or simply too harsh, then you should be honest enough to admit that you are surrendering to them.

    • Agree: frankie p
    • Replies: @anonymous
  28. @Easy Pete

    China is not a victim of US aggression. America is.

    • Agree: Ed Case
    • Thanks: Daniel Rich
  29. I don’t think an actual war will ever start. Rather I think what is going on is that the US neocon elite is trying to maintain the conditions of the Cold War to justify the system of military bases around the world—NATO basically—in order to keep its system of western hegemony, ultimately of course to prosecute war in the Middle East and perhaps also to transform Europe demographically. They want to create some kind of China/Russia perpetual foe that will justify their power arrangement and the military industrial complex as existed prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Trump was going to dismantle that, and that was part of the reason he had to be removed.

    • Agree: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Justintime
  30. Essayist is a bit delusional as to the U$ overwhelming Russia. He makes it sound almost like taking candy from a baby. Clear to me that he is not much studied in geostrategic politics and policies.

    Russia possesses the most integrated aerial defense network in the world—hands down. Their civil defense protection for citizens is also lightyears beyond that of the U$ and their NATO allies. Only Western power which might be in the same general league is Sweden.

    When it comes to weaponry the U$ military is most properly notable as the chief branch orfice of the WarDefen$e Indu$try. It’s all about those no-bid contracts and cost-0ver-run stipulations, such as British Bank$ter dominated Lockheed Martin and their F-35 “Flying Turkey”, which has already cost American taxpayers well over a TRILLION dollars and climbing.

    Meanwhile, Russia builds lean, mean fighting machines. In Russia the state makes the rules, not the corporations and their zillionaire owners. Their missiles are probably nonpareil. Their aircraft are excellent. Putin has turned that country around from being the late 20th century version of the “sick man of Europe” into a rampant tiger.

    Only advantage the U$ might have is satellite-launched weaponry which could be ultra-hypersonic. That perhaps and maybe an edge in weather warfare. Anyone recall a couple years back when that monster storm was headed directly at Palm Beach, Florida? Suddenly, it got stalled and massively tore apart a chunk of the Bahamas for a couple days and then simply dissipated and blew off northeastwards.

    Hurricane Katrina, anyone? Who recalls how that storm veered sharply during the latter part of its landward move and messed up New Orleans something nasty. Would OUR government do that to American citizens? Are there psychopaths and sociopaths in the Di$trict of Corruption? Do they take their orders from Satanic-level Bank$ters?

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
    , @Jiminy
    , @Bork
  31. This is gold. John Mearsheimer is driving the US strategy. It also explains why Australia is committing financial suicide.

    It is weird how so much posturing is done in the face of nukes.

    • Agree: Alfred
  32. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    A war between the US and the combined forces of Russia and China would be interesting. A war between the US and Russia alone would not really be very interesting. Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia. That’s true at least as far as an observer is able to observe.

    That’s a rather bold and stupid statement to make. The ability of the United States to “crush” Russia on Russian soil in a mass scale conventional war is questionable at best. It’s also a moot point, as Russia would simply obliterate by tactical nukes any invading army that threatened to achieve strategic victory. It would then be up to globohomo whether responding by strategic nuclear weapons against Russian territory is worth the utter destruction of Israel as well as all major metro areas in the United States, effectively wiping out globohomo from the face of the earth.

    In truth, China is in a much more vulnerable position, militarily speaking, than Russia is. Its nuclear arsenal is very underdeveloped and susceptible to being destroyed via first strike. Unlike Russia, it’s also heavily reliant on external energy, food, and materials which can be shut down by the USN at will via controlling just a few vital sea-lane chokepoints. The USA could not invade China destroy its military in a division vs division fashion, but it could starve it into submission in a way it could never do to Russia.

  33. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Russia wanted to sell the Su-35s to China whose purchases of Russian-made fighter jets has declined over the last 20 years. The Russian-made Su-35s have Chinese-made avionics and weapons installed as required by the Chinese. That Su-35 purchase would likely be the last that China makes as the last co-production agreement that China signed with Russia in 1996 ended with the Chinese cancelling the deal mid-way with only half the J-11 aircraft co-produced in China from Russian-made Su-27 kits. China then designed and produced its own J-11B variant with Chinese-made avionics and weapons. From that time onwards, China decided to design and produce a series of fighter jets such as the carrier-based J-15 (based on the J-11B), J-16, J-10, J-17, J-20 and FC-31 with the Russians supplying the AL-series jet engines. But China also started developing its own WS-series jet engines starting with the WS-10 which suffered from reliability issues early on. The problem was manufacturing the mono-crystal turbine blades which China has finally solved.

    China has already achieved self-sufficiency in designing and producing its own fighter jets, from the airframe, avionics, weapons to the jet engines. The best proof of that Chinese capability is the J-20 which is widely recognized as one of only four fifth-generation fighter jets in the world.

  34. ” Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia. That’s true at least as far as an observer is able to observe.”

    I think A.A. is filled with a bit too much American bravado by making that statement. The US couldn’t beat Vietnam 50 years ago with an almost completely white military it’s a joke to think that they could beat any large military today with a ragtag military made up of low grade negroes, Mexicans and Filipinos who are only there for the pay and benefits and white trannies and angry lesbians who would turn and run the first time they’re fired upon. The few high quality white male fighting troops in the US aren’t enough to cover for all the incompetents who are only there because nobody else wants them. Put the US against the Russian military which is made up of professionals and draftees, it’s almost all white and the non-whites are high IQ central Asians and they don’t believe in affirmative action, they believe in their thousand year old country and are willing to fight and die for it. How many Filipinos are willing to die for Burger King, Microsoft and Coca Cola? How many negroes are willing to die for same? How many Mexicans are willing to die for a country which they still think is run by whites? Very few. The US may have some shiny and fancy overpriced weapons but these are about as useful in war as a house full over gold-plated toilets when you’ve got explosive diarrhea and have run out of soap and water.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  35. @Jiminy

    ” Kids there will no doubt soon be watching the recycled 50’s films at school. ”

    No those would be deemed too white and but new ones will come out with “Aunty” Rachel Levine demonstrating the newly discovered duck and cover techniques with a class of negro and mexican kids.

  36. The idea that the US military could crush Russia is delusional. The US couldn’t even crush Iran, let alone Russia. Hell, the US military has been defeated by goat herders in Afghanistan.
    The US military is a paper tiger. Aircraft carriers, for example, aren’t combat power, they’re dead men sailing. Sitting ducks, hostages, casualties to be.
    The Army is worse. 20 years of erosion and all they are good for is calling in air support against 3rd tier fighters. No air defense, crap artillery, trannys and officers of color. The bugouts in Korea in 1950 would look heroic compared to what these clowns would do against Russia.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @animalogic
  37. Every day the amerimutts and the Jewgro-Sickxon (((cultures))) move closer to their well deserved extinction.

    Can’t wait for the day every inch of muttmerica and the monkey islands up north to be cleansed by either nuclear fire or waves upon waves of blacks and pakis.

    This is what you get for serving the kikes. 1945 payback.

  38. @raga10

    You muttshills are the most incompetent. Back to (((Breibart)))!
    Begone!

    This is the best the State Department can come up with?

  39. @showmethereal

    Never this aspect of China´s access to the open/large Pacific Ocean is “discussed”, either in the Media or in the more “serious” outlets. Gate-keeping China might take the world to brinkmanship more than any other vital interests of “national security”.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  40. Russia would also, very clearly, be an easier target than China. Russia has a lot of internal problems, which would become much exaggerated during a war.

    US and EU also have lots of internal problems, probably worse than those of Russia.

  41. I like how he stomps on both left and right. He’s right. You rightists are schizoid. And totally un-self-aware.

  42. Explain to me again why the checking your browser thing is on?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  43. Ross23 says:

    “Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia.”

    Give me a break they crap their pants at the thought of war with Iran, which has half Russia’s population with no nukes.

    The US population over the age of 45 has been educated via movies that war with Russia will end them, it’s just a measure of our weak dumb down society that causes them to go along with the games of our elite psychopathic government.

  44. China is the Globalist Empire. ZOG is the puppet and China the puppet master. The Chinese state is not taking orders from and not beholden to any entity but itself. ZOG is trillions in debt to the Chinese. Andrew needs some anti-psychotics himself.

  45. @Happy Tapir

    This guy gets it. Zionists love cold wars more than real wars. At the end of the day, they just want to be parasites and merchants. The only time they want a real war is to defend jews or to attack countries that possess land jews want. They won’t stop until greater israel is achieved and every country has a jew owned central bank.

  46. This time the Jews are pushing for a nuclear confrontation with Russia and China. Their thirst for the blood of goyim is insatiable.

  47. antibeast says:
    @raga10

    Mao himself allegedly said that aircraft carriers are a tool of imperialism, and for a while after his death Chinese leadership swore that China would never build aircraft carriers. Now they have two in operation, and possibly more in the pipeline. Mao was absolutely right, though: aircraft carriers *are* a tool of imperialism. What changed is that China now does have imperialist ambitions.

    India, UK and Italy all have two aircraft carriers while Thailand has one. Do you think that India, UK, Italy and Thailand ‘have imperialist ambitions’ just because they have aircraft carriers?

    China’s maritime trade which is much bigger than that of India, UK, Italy and Thailand needs to be protected by the Chinese Navy with aircraft carriers as China can not rely on the US Navy to patrol the seas to protect China’s maritime trade.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @raga10
  48. FatR says:

    “Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia.”

    This is a very dangerous delusion.

    First, if a massive land war capable of threatening Russia as such is initiated, the only question is whether the NATO would escalate to strategic nuclear warfare, after whatever forces it can muster on European soil cease to exist under a hail of tactical nukes (which existence means that all NATO armed forces except for the US Army are almost entirely irrelevant in a major confrontation with Russian military). The times when USSR would have liked to avoid use of any nuclear weapons because its military had substantial numerical advantage in convenient weapons are long past, the Russian military doctrine had been officially changed to recognize that.

    Second, at the current moment NATO forces in Europe are pitifully weak numerically and their formerly most capable elements are catastrophically undermined by ultra-progressive social experminentation. The most capable army that can be mustered to oppose Russia on the ground at the moment is probably that of Poland and I’m not being ironic here. Without a massive preparatory buildup, the likely outcome of a land war in Europe right now is Russian military sweeping all before it for as far as its logistics allow, even without use of tactical nuclear weapons. If you imagine a protracted conventional conflict, Russia alone would almost certainly lose, unless its opponnents implode internally first, but it would require a long war of attrition.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. @Joe Stalin

    China has no interest in bombing other Chinese in a Chinese province.
    China’s main aim is trade, extending the modern-day Silk Road (BRI).

    It is the Jewnited States that bombs, occupies, loots, threatens.

    Mainly on behalf of its best ally, brave little Israel that has done and continues to do such an amount of good locally and brings life-giving harmony to the ME.
    You should realise for example that before zionists entered Palestine the country was totally empty, nobody at all living there …

    If you doubt this, just refer to your Jewish government or your Jewish media.
    They’ll soon set you straight.

  50. @Majority of One

    “Clear to me that he is not much studied in geostrategic politics and policies.”

    That’s why TUR regularly publishes Andrei Martyanov’s work. A guy that knows what he’s talking about :o]

  51. @Showmethereal

    “As long as mainland USA isn’t touched”
    I guess they’ll just have to flatten DC, and “israel”, of course.

  52. @Anonymous

    It would then be up to globohomo whether responding by strategic nuclear weapons against Russian territory is worth the utter destruction of Israel as well as all major metro areas in the United States, effectively wiping out globohomo from the face of the earth.

    The best any sane, thinking person can hope for.
    Because unless the coming war results in the utter destruction of “israel” then every non-jew on the planet becomes Palestinian in all but name.

  53. @raga10

    What business do USer militants have within 1,000 km of China’s coast? An aggressive, barking dog: all mouth and trousers.

    • Replies: @raga10
  54. Fred777 says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “I’m assuming our Generals are competent.”

    You assume too much. You don’t make General for competence, it’s a political position.

  55. Defender says:

    US and China war will never happen because High Finance Jews have worked too hard to get their foot in the door of China’s financial system and now achieved, I’m guessing China can look forward to being thoroughly shaken down

    Based China!

    Stephen Schwarzman of Blackstone has lots of involvement in Chinese Banking and has just purchased ancestry.com. no doubt to be used in China’s AI development

    Larry Fink of BlackRock Inc has just partnered with the Chinese Construction Bank. Fink received an exemption from the Chinese Government that usually bars partnerships of majority foreign controlled businesses

    August 2020 China has approved a wealth management joint venture between US asset manager BlackRock Inc, Temasek Holdings and the Chinese Construction Bank Corporation

    UBS and JP Morgan won approval to set up foreign majority controlled ventures along with Amundi Europe’s largest asset manager

    BlackRock Inc BLK.N, the world’s biggest asset manager, and China Investment Corp (CIC) CIC.UL, the nation’s sovereign wealth fund, will jointly launch an investment fund likely to be worth several billion U.S. dollars

    Israeli business center constructed in Shanghai

    China invests 15 billion dollars in Israeli tech companies

    Israeli Tech company startups are positioning themselves exclusively in the Chinese market.

    Chinese Government partnership with the University of Tel Aviv which is the home of the spytech company incubator to form a joint $300 million research center

    Chinese companies are involved in building much of Israels infrastructure projects. Chinese companies are even involved in housing projects and constructing houses for Israeli settlers on Palestinian stolen land.

    So well done US Governments. At least those Billions of dollars you give Israel each year is finally being returned with unwavering loyalty

  56. Anon37 says:

    The notion of any protracted conventional war with China or Russia is absurd.

    Such a war would require the reinstatement of the draft. The entitled American multicultural mutts, whose idea of sacrifice is being without their electronic devices for a few minutes, will not rush to the recruiting station to sacrifice their bodies for what for all practical purposes come down to corporate profits enriching a few shareholders. Further, on the ideological front, there is absolutely no sign amongst youth in America today that they view China or Russia as existential threats despite all the propaganda.

    No, they’d have to be dragged into it with the draft. But maybe that is not such a bad thing.

  57. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    Babylon that sits on the waters will be destroyed within one hour, from the north, with a heat so great the elements will melt. All the merchants of the world will mourn her.

    Thats Biblical. What nation would that be?

    Would it be headed by a hyper-corrupt buffon with surgery hair, fake teeth, multiple face-lifts, with an Absolom-like son who like his daddy, likes em’ on the young side? Viagra, adenechrome?

    Who is the bell tollin’ for?

  58. IronForge says:

    Crap Article.

    Author “thinks” that RUS can be “Taken Out” again. Author has his Head up his Arse, Feeding on the Sayanim/ISR/CIA Crap-Propaganda.
    ***

    As for the F-16s, I’ll make the following Assessment as a Veteran Naval Officer who Operated on a Guided Missile Cruiser based in Japan. I’m also a 2nd Gen 7th Fleet Sailor – I grew up in this Region.

    *
    That Excursion from Misawa to TWN and back took awhile, Diapers, and In-Flight Refueling. Probably Touched Down in Okinawa for a Pit Stop.

    They were probably TRACKED and RADAR LOCKED by CHN_PLA Planes, Ships, and SAM Batteries.

    Very sure that if the F-16s start maneuvers threatening to CHN_PLA Assets, more Fighters will be Scrambled.

    If those F-16s engage and release weapons at CHN_PLA Assets, they won’t come back.

    EVERYONE have been informed with Satellite Photos about the CHN_PLA doing Range Targeting Drills with SSMs+TBMs upon Mockups of at least one USA Base in JPN.

    Token Show of Force. No One can Defend TWN Today.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Muthaucker
  59. @Joe Paluka

    There’s a lot of truth in what you say. The people running the USA today don’t care in particular for those whom they rule; they only wish to perpetuate the system in general. Thousands or millions of American citizens dying wouldn’t faze them a bit, would in fact give a fair number of them a hit of dopamine. They don’t hate us; they’re indifferent to us. We are frangible, simply units in broader calculations. They don’t even need us to man the machines of industry anymore now that they’ve moved manufacturing to the next more desperate aspiring second-tier country. If we become too much of a nuisance they will simply murder us, or dupe the Russians or Chinese into doing it for them.

    In contrast, the rulers of both Russia and China identify with and share the same goals as their citizenry. A war with either would eliminate both our useless population and destroy the model of a nation that embodies the good qualities of national identity and nativism. Win/win for our leaders.

  60. raga10 says:
    @antibeast

    Do you think that India, UK, Italy and Thailand ‘have imperialist ambitions’ just because they have aircraft carriers?

    UK – definitely. Italy, well they did fancy themselves a colonial power for a while, didn’t they? India is mostly responding to military build-up of China, and Thailand… if you know they have one, you probably also know they use it largely as a royal yacht since they disbanded their squadron of Harrier jets long time ago and the only thing they can launch off its deck now is a helicopter.

    Also, you forgot France and they even have a nuclear one! Yes – also a colonial power, still quite active militarily in Africa.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @denk
  61. raga10 says:
    @Badger Down

    What business do USer militants have within 1,000 km of China’s coast? An aggressive, barking dog: all mouth and trousers.

    My criticism of China should not be read ast an endorsement of USA, and vice-versa. My POV is more like, “a plague on both your houses” ….

    “all three of your houses”, actually, since I would include Russia too.

  62. @Astuteobservor II

    “It also explains why Australia is committing financial suicide”.
    That Morrison — & people thought Howard was a complete dog to the US. Morrison is an utter slut to his masters….

  63. @Astuteobservor II

    ‘Coming at you from Shenzhen …’

    For frack’s sake. Cant’t you tell propaganda when it’s in front of your nose?

    Australia is not committing financial suicide. We’re doing fine down here thank you very much.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Alfred
  64. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    Uh, excuse me but Taiwan is not ours to “surrender”. And how silly would it be to take a multimillion dollar aircraft up and forget to strap on the Sidewinders? As Sgt. Mack told Whiplash in The Unit “Go big or go home. We’re not here to annoy people.”

  65. @Anonymous

    I’m puzzled why the Russians don’t respond to pressure from the US by telling Tel Aviv that unless they tell their puppets in Washington to back off they’ll have a hell of a mess on their hands in the neighbourhood. Israel really doesn’t want trouble in its neighbourhood.

  66. If Russia “will be an easier target because they have a lot of internal problems” then what the F do we have here in the US? Maybe just a little family squabble?

    • Agree: Realist
  67. @Defender

    China can look forward to being thoroughly shaken down

    Those details of China’s cooperation with the Moneychangers constitute bad news for the world at large, no less China.

    With prior direct experience (Opium Wars) and the example of the USA now wrecked after just 100 years of kike entryism, one wonders what they are thinking ?

    Do they imagine that they can control the Hyena ?
    Is there a deeper/longer game-plan ?

  68. @Sparkylyle92

    Yes, all this talk had me thinking of the Korean “bug outs”. Interestingly, the Army then (not the Marines) was going all softly-softly in their training.
    Those early US soldiers, when captured by the NK’s often — literally — would simply curl up & die. No corporate solidarity btwn the men, unlike the captured UK & Turkish troops.

  69. Anonymous[670] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    There’s another video out there, in which Mearsheimer openly and explicitly threatens an audience of Australian elites, in a speech in Australia no less.

    His words were something to the effect of:

    “Australia will most assuredly choose not to be neutral in the coming confrontation with China. Australia will give America everything it asks for, since there is no other option. You see, and this is only an observation, Americans are VERY vicious and nasty people, and will make life hell for Australians if they don’t cooperate, fully. That’s just the way Americans they are”.

    Imagine a prison yard, in which one man tells another “Ever’ time I pass you in the yard, better hand over muh money, or I’ll beat the crap out of you. Ever’ time. Not a threat bro, I just can’t help myself, it’s the way I am. Jus’ giving you a heads up, man.” Said in a most menacing tone, of course.

    American THUGGERY, all the way. Seems Mearshimer doesn’t know a principle of power – only the insecure make threats, the truly powerful are self-assured. Threats just make people angry.

    I recall there was much nervous laughter from the Australian audience, but if I were Australian, I would be seething inside. “Is this American motherf*cker threatening us, in a speech in our own country?!?” would be my deepest sense if I were Australian at that venue.

    Australia, an American-administered territory, with ALL the obligations, but NONE of the rights.
    And a weak, feckless elite.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  70. GayDad69 says: • Website

    lmao are you serious?

    china tests their neighbors air defenses all the time

    so does Russia

    why is something uniquely bad when the USA does it, but not when the dog gobblers do?

    try to be less transparent in your china shilling in the future – it’s obvious you take their money but the least you could do is launder their anticharismatic hot takes a little better

    you know, earn your money

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @Ukraine Tiger
  71. Realist says:

    Russia would also, very clearly, be an easier target than China. Russia has a lot of internal problems, which would become much exaggerated during a war.

    Russia has at least as many nuclear weapons as the US and any internal problems will not in any way affect the delivery of those weapons on US assets.

    Further, the US has many more serious internal problems than Russia.

    Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia. That’s true at least as far as an observer is able to observe.

    That is pure US propaganda. And irresponsible. In an all-out war, both Russia and the US would be crushed. Your comment is right out of General Buck Turgidson play book.

  72. @obwandiyag

    Software is taking a few seconds reporting you to the arforities.

  73. this article should be entitled “we can’t police these people*”.

    * the u.s. department of offense

  74. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ray Caruso

    Let’s start with China’s supposed declaration it intends on repopulating the US mainland (and probably Canada with it) with Chinese to ease crowding, but mainly for control of prime agricultural resources. An article in Foreign Affairs, apparently since disappeared, gloated over Israel’s years of secret negotiations with China behind our back, and ends by paraphrasing Palmerston’s quip that Israel has no permanent allies, only permanent interests. The Jerusalem Post about 2 weeks ago echoed this intent of Israel to dump the US in a new alignment with China.

    After the Maidan coup d’etat, various stories detailed at least one Chabad front buying up vast amounts of Ukrainian farmland, along with ag corporations whose dependence on Jewish finance assures their cooperation in any geopolitical alignment. I’ve read that the Ashkenazis consider Ukraine as their homeland, and given its usefulness as a agricultural plantation or breadbasket to a criminal state located in desert such as Israel, it may be the intent to use war to depopulate and demoralize the Ukrainians while taking Russia out of the equation for the next hundred years via a war with the US. The US also has to be annihilated for this new Sino-Israeli world-hegemonic alliance to proceed, so it’s not inconceivable that a war between the US and Russia/Iran would fit the bill.

    There’s also the matter of a human pandemic and forced sterilization through vaccination going only so far as this virus may become more virulent but less harmful. The article mentions the development of race-specific bioweapons, and as Stephen Lendman reported years ago, Israel has been working on this for decades and experimenting on Palestinians, South African blacks, and other people with horrific results, such as liquifying internal organs and skin peeling off. The problem with this approach is that before enough people die off, there would be a massive reaction against all elites around the world, literally storming them like mobs in revolutionary France did two centuries ago.

    An alternative would be to introduce a livestock or grain crop pandemic with reverse engineered pathogens so that Israel or China comes to the rescue with resistant animals or crops or preventative treatments. The article mentions starvation as being a very real threat to the US and Europe, which it is given a post-9/11 USDA study reporting that the depth of our beef supply chain, for example, is only a week. Disrupting the food chain would take out the US and Europe like these countries were nuked and without the longtern destruction of infrastructure, soil, or water making repopulation with Chinese impossible.

    I’d also mention a very old French study of the ramifications of cascading one catastrophe on top of the other, which amounts to a very fast breakdown in order. The quote from Stratcom in the article is chilling inasmuch as they imply that up until today their worldview has been linear, but from now on they’re going to take a more sophisticated view of things. This smells like Israel blinding the Pentagon with more baked intel and analysis, leaving the Pentagon operating on less than an old-fashioned, linear worldview. Jamie Gorelick instrumentally blinded our intel operations in the run up to 9/11 and yet, according to Wikepedia, this new AG Garland is directly connected with her and therefore likely an agent of those behind 9/11. This matters inasmuch as the attack on 9/11 has almost exhausted this country and set it up for its final annihilation according to a longterm plan for a massive reorganization of the planet.

  75. Rdm says:

    Are we gonna send manned spacecrafts to Mars this time around?

    After all, Matt Damon has shown us you can grow potatoes from your shit and eat it.

    Maybe we don’t need to. Two allies with nuclear powers will make our homeland just like Mars. We’re ready to shit ourselves and grow more potatoes.

  76. Z-man says:
    @antibeast

    Chinese aircraft development still lags behind America and Russia. They can put fancy electronics, with stolen Western technology, into them but the airframes are inferior and the engines have also to be stolen from the West or Russia.
    A fully loaded F 15X can take out a squadron of enemy Chinese aircraft. If you put as little as 4 of them in space they can put a big hurt on the Chinese air force.

    • LOL: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @antibeast
    , @awry
  77. Anonymous[670] • Disclaimer says:
    @FatR

    An extended conventional conflict which sees Russia fighting all alone is a fantasy. Completely divorced from reality.

    Simply due to strategic calculation, self-interest, and long-term alliance with Russia (and it is VERY real), not to mention a desire to over-extend the 5 Eyes, China would take steps to ensure the survival of the Russian state. Any strategy has to take that factor into account.

    Not a single bullet, missile, platform or soldier would have to be deployed by China.

    Simply supplying Russia with LIMITLESS quantities of civilian equipment, to cushion the impact on Russia’s population of war mobilization, would make a US/NATO long-term war on Russia utterly unwinnable.

    With Russia turning all its industry towards war, any Western aggression simply could not succeed, period. Sheer strategic mathematics precludes Western victory.

    BTW, the above scenario also applies, in smaller form, if the US/UK/ Israel were to move against Iran. Both Russia and China would come into the equation, there can be absolutely no doubts about that.

  78. Jiminy says:
    @Majority of One

    Sometimes it makes me think that a lot of the huff and puff that we hear, are just some self -aggrandizing bigwigs blowing smoke up each other’s arse. Hot air nothing more. Obviously if you can win the propaganda war without going to war, then great. I remember back in the 80’s, a young pilot in a small light aircraft flew all the way into Russia and landed in Moscow’s red square. Clearly everyone was in shock and awe. Sometimes details about the latest future weaponry are deliberately released, hoping that in the process that country will be bankrupted while trying to play catch-up chasing a boondoggle.

  79. @d dan

    “Actually even Mongolia and Kazakhstan also have the rights to sail their navies (yes Mongolia has a navy) to Pacific Ocean. But somehow there are people who think it is none of China’s business…”

    LOL… Absolutely. Any nation can technically sail through there (Miyako Strait). The issue is Japan claims China should be nice and notify them first before sailing through. I have no doubt that if Japan’s master wasn’t still trying to pressure China – there would be no issue with saying “hello” first before sailing out to the Pacific. It’s the same thing as ADIZ. That is a made up concept with no legal basis. Granted – weapons are more powerful now and have longer ranges – but being nice to neighbors is more important than laws.

    But that person still didn’t even address the real issue that Japan was to be restricted to her 4 main islands after WW2 – but the US changed it’s mind and gave her former imperialistic islands.

  80. @Z-man

    Thats some serious tech advantage right chea!
    So why haven’t (((you))) start teaching these filthy chinks a lesson yet?
    From the way you talk, it seems that the JewSA can even shoot down Chinese hypersonic missiles mid-flight!

    • Replies: @Z-man
  81. @raga10

    Oh well I absolutely agree that it is posturing. No question about it. Again. The US has a DOCTRINE to try to suffocate China. China has absolutely the right to exercise defense against that – and to do so it needs to sail out into the Pacific to do drills. Claiming the F-16’s did this because China sailed navy ships to the Pacific is way off. This is a 70+ year dance going on. Japan couldn’t even do joint naval drills with China if it wanted to – because the US won’t let it. Japan is the US supposed “unsinkable aircraft carrier” pointed at China. Sadly for her – she would have to bear the brunt in any military actions.

    As to aircraft carriers – why do I care what Mao said??? Mao was a man like anyone else and said things that don’t always match. Mao was not a prophet that I’m aware of and couldn’t foretell the future. Nor was everything he said correct. But what “imperialist ambitions” does China have??? Since long after Mao’s death the PRC has voluntarily given up claims on millions of square kilometers of land to nearly all of it’s neighbors. But it will not give up sea claims because they learned from history. They gave up on naval tech during the Ming Dynasty when their ships were the most advanced in the world at that time. By the Qing Dynasty – western invasion from the sea.

    But actually – I don’t think they should built too many aircraft carriers. Too many are a waste of money. Current plans call for one in each major naval region at any time. So that calls for 3 to be always active – 1 or 2 for training – and contingency of 1 always being under repair. So the call is for 5 or 6. 2 are active 1 almost finished. At max the plan calls for only building 3 more – but already there are those saying that’s too many and a waste of money since China has missile coverage to keep away foreign navies from getting too close. If China builds a dozen like the US – then I would say they are harboring imperialistic ambition because there is no need to have so many unless you plan to be all over the globe.

    • Replies: @raga10
  82. @GayDad69

    Because China and Russia hate faggots, like you, as your name implies.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
    • LOL: Marckus
    • Replies: @Marckus
  83. @Carlton Meyer

    Thanks for your video series. I don’t necessarily agree with everything you say regarding geopolitics – but your history lessons are very valuable and well done. Well done. I hope they get more traction – but I have a feeling Google/YouTube doesn’t want you to be popular.

  84. “Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia. That’s true at least as far as an observer is able to observe.”

    This judeo-fascist regime has never won a war, lost every war, and murdered millions of innocents bombing and starving third world countries with their overpriced and incompetent military that does not know the difference between a male and female, is obsessed with ZOG propaganda regarding sexual perversion and racism. Everything their propaganda machine spew about Hitler and the National Socialist actually apply to these murderous vampires. Russia will turn jude-amerika into radioactive dust if these insane vampires cross that red line. These criminals that stole the election and are branding “Euro-Americans” domestic enemies have alienated most “whites” that would actually fight in such a war and now would consider the domestic terrorist in DC as the enemy and NOT China and Russia.

    The best way to prevent nuclear war is for Russia and China to form a common defense alliance that states if one is attacked the other will come to their aid.

  85. Anonymous[635] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s a rather bold and stupid statement to make. The ability of the United States to “crush” Russia on Russian soil in a mass scale conventional war is questionable at best.

    Yeah, when I read this bit I knew the author of the blog post had little to offer and skimmed the rest. The greatest war strategist this country has, still has, is Col. Douglas Macgregor (USA, ret.), Ph.D.

    Read Macgregor’s sobering analysis of how a conventional war with Russia would go in Europe. Macgregor was NATO senior war planner under Wes Clark and was latter Rumsfeld’s go-to guy in drawing up the Iraq war strategy (Rumsfeld closely studied Macgregor’s book Breaking the Phalanx and has his generals consult with and follow Macgregor’s ideas). Bottomline, U.S. and NATO could not only not win a conventional war with Russia but Russia would win. Nuclear? Read Macgregor’s piece:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/facing-the-facts-of-war-with-russia/

    Obviously U.S. and NATO military commanders know they can’t win a conventional war with Russia so the U.S. Strategic Command sent out this bizarre if not pathetic tweet a few days ago after Russia shows she’s not playing around:

    As former military officer Andrei Martyanov, who now works in the U.S. aviation industry, explains on his blog how the initial stages of a nuclear would look for the U.S.:

    …modern Kalibrs, 3M14Ms, as a matter of fact, have a range of a 4,500 kilometers, as well as 5,000+ kilometer range of X-101 cruise missiles, which will have no issues with penetrating North American airspace when launched by Russia’s strategic bombers without even leaving the safety of Russia’s airspace.

    On the bright side (pun intended), a nuclear war would totally eliminate America’s intractable social problem, would wipe out urban blight, carbonize most liberals, and end the Deep State. So, it’s not all bad (except it would be for me living in major Northeast city).

    • Replies: @PJ London
  86. I’m not sure why anyone thinks we can beat anyone at this point. Sure we’re super duper at blowing things up, and that is about as far it goes. Both China and Russia have incentive to win. China also has to stop sending consumer goods here. Also why we are worshiping blacks and celebrating trannies, the Chinese are gaining control over shipping in the Pacific. The Russians have had a very long time to ponder how to defend themselves and make us suffer. Sadly a splinter is all that is need, but blowing up DC, LA, and NYC would make some of us Americans downright giddy. Finally we make junk anymore. Our are weapons going to work? More importantly are we going to have the troops who can jerry rig stuff to make them work? Long gone are the days of white boys playing around with fixing cars. We can thank single mamas, computers, and catalytic converters for that.

    • Agree: Rdm
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  87. China and the ZUS are both controlled by the zionist central banking kabal, this is all a diversion , a game of charades, there will be no war between the ZUS and China, the real war is between the zionists and the people of the world.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Twodees Partain
  88. @Defender

    And don’t forget that China gave control of the casinos in Macau to the same Jews who run Las Vegas.

  89. Z-man says:
    @HeebHunter

    Do you have a Chinese girl friend who ‘Makey you happy GI’. ROFL!!!!

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @antibeast
  90. So what’s the plan after the US takes out the militaries of Russia and China, assuming they could do it all? Are they going to permanently occupy those two gigantic nations? They can’t even hold Iraq, how are they going to manage that?

    The US is awesome at winning air wars for the first month or so, then losing on the ground thereafter.

  91. @GayDad69

    It is uniquely bad because the USA military is not doing “tests” along its own borders. They are a half a planet away from home.

    • Agree: Herald
  92. Marckus says:
    @HeebHunter

    What a fucking handle ? GAY, a Dad and he likes the 69 position ? LOL. Maybe he is even a Juice in disguise.

    I would say he is the ideal husband/ wife for all the Chink trolls here on UR and I would even recommend we send him to China. That way we become less queer here and we can pollute the Chinese with all the freaks we have running around.

    We will send him with Truth and they can all hang out with Supply and Demand in Wooshoo.

    GayDAD69 ? LOL. What next .

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  93. PJ London says:
    @Anonymous

    Damn, you have seen through the cunning plan.
    The Military are 90% republican-Red-State people.
    If Russia can be drawn into a nuclear war, the nukes will take out all of the North-East and the South-West USA.
    That would leave the vast central states all of them bright Red in control. Take just a week to push any blacks or browns or them with funny Mexkan accents into the radio-active areas, and the good ol’ US of A would be where we all want it to be.

    Now we gonna hafta come up with a new plan.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. “Russia would also, very clearly, be an easier target than China. Russia has a lot of internal problems, which would become much exaggerated during a war.”

    Wrong. Very clearly, the USA will not be taking out Russia anytime and should it go hot, it is not hard to envisage at least half a dozen aircraft carriers on the bottom inside an hour.

  95. Platonist says:

    Mr. Anglin, I know that SLPC has given you a bad reputation; however, your perceptive obituary for Rush Limbaugh and this article, too, tells me that there is a vital, thinking, interesting human being behind the label. I want to put one idea forward for you to think about. Russia and the United States cooperate enormously on law enforcement and intelligence gathering initiatives. If one knows where to look, one can find FSB assets operating jointly with the FBI on American soil. My research has indicated that there is a likely technological integration between RT America and the US Department of Haaretz. In other words, in all likelihood, Russia helps America to track U.S. “domestic extremists.” If this is true, then it is overwhelmingly likely that the superficial antagonism between the U.S. and Russia is Orwellian street theater to control domestic populations. Russia has a huge Jewish population, and this is a major thread which links Russia and Yankee Judea. One can find free Internet pornography, Google Street View in Russia— they are plugged into the Yankee Judea technological matrix. Aside from this, I agree with your article that this is all a tremendous distraction. The true war has been declared by our elites against the U.S. population.

  96. antibeast says:
    @Z-man

    That’s what Western detractors say about the J-20 being a copy of the US F-22 or F-35 which is patently false. The USA does not have any ‘strategic’ fighter jet equivalent to the J-20 as both the F-22 and F-35 are ‘tactical’ fighter jets. Likewise, Chinese-made avionics and missiles have already surpassed their Russian equivalents, from AESA radars to VLRAAMs which also outranges US missiles. Here’s a video overview of the J-20’s technical characteristics (in Russian):

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Z-man
  97. “Despite how nutty the US has gotten”

    My old English teacher would cringe at this.

    “….has become”

  98. “Probably the most frightening part of all is that no one really seems to have any idea who is in charge.”

    No one knows including the Biden administration, China, Russia, Jewish media or for that matter you. Only those aliens 👽 in the outer space are fully cognizant of all that will happen in the near future. Let’s just sit back, drink beer and have a barbecue because summer is right around the corner!

  99. Z-man says:
    @Desert Fox

    ‘They’ still want to kill as many white men as possible so a Russia-American conflagration is possible and if that Zionist boot licker Trump were still in an attack on Iran to defend Izruel to the last drop of American (mostly white) blood would likely happen.

  100. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @PJ London

    Damn, you have seen through the cunning plan.
    The Military are 90% republican-Red-State people.
    If Russia can be drawn into a nuclear war, the nukes will take out all of the North-East and the South-West USA.
    That would leave the vast central states all of them bright Red in control. Take just a week to push any blacks or browns or them with funny Mexkan accents into the radio-active areas, and the good ol’ US of A would be where we all want it to be.

    Now we gonna hafta come up with a new plan

    Within the last 5 years I’ve walked the halls of the Pentagon and have met with senior military members on many CONUS bases and have visited many fighter pilot squadrons. To this day it is an almost exclusively white-male club despite the popular political window dressing. While the job corps program— a/k/a the enlisted military— might be diverse the leadership will remain white and male. 🤷🏼‍♂️😉

  101. If US engages China, it will signal the end of carrier-based imperialism. ’Murka will immediately lose two carriers to missile salvos and submarine swarms. US will either have to stand down or go to nuclear escalation. It will have to rethink its policy of diplomacy by force. And it will have to decide whether to risk the entire planet to save face.

    I believe they may choose the latter. Recent statements by military “leaders” seem to be preparing Americans for nuclear use. Leadership also seems more and more to accept limited nukes as a viable tactic. They have persuaded themselves that suicide is a viable path to “victory.” God help those at either end of the exchange.

    Low IQ, ego-addicted personalities, otherwise known as “government,” can usually be counted on to make the wrong choice. President Kennedy overruled his military “advisors” to save his country. There is no such person in government today. Planet earth is at the mercy of brain-damaged psychopaths.

  102. “I’d put our tranny brigades and woke officers up against the PLA any day. Amerigay will scratch their eyes out and look fabulous while doing it !” – SecDef/Lobbyist Loyd J. Austin

    • LOL: Beagle
  103. The next real war will come when the fear of war no longer serves its purpose of control.

    And seeing that 99% of the world has succumbed to the fear of a fake virus, and is dutifully following every fraudulent order that is bad for physical, mental, and spiritual health, it looks like the fear of war will be sufficient for a long time to come.

    Plan accordingly

  104. @antibeast

    You are correct… The Chinese Su-35’s have Chinese sensors so they are actually armed with Chinese missiles like the PL-15’s. It also allows them to interact and communicate with the J16’s and the rest of the jets.

    But – Russia is still ahead in engines. I wouldn’t be surprised if they buy 2 dozen Su-57’s just to study the engine – when Russia deploys in a few years. The 3D thrust vectoring on the J10’s was learned by the Su-35’s (very quickly) – and that was one of the reasons it was bought. That new engine that Russia is set to release is supposed to be extremely powerful. Plus they want to put some dollars in Russia’s pocket. Geopolitically it would help Russia since it’s not even expected for Russia to field 100 of them (Su-57’s).
    Tangentially – as the US tries to squeeze China more – I would not be the least bit surprised if China’s civilian aircraft (ARJ-21 and C919) don’t start buying PD-14’s (and 10’s) from Russia rather than US engines. 1 for security – and 2 simply to put more dollars in Russian coffers. They are already collaborating on a whole plane (CR929) so it only would make sense.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @antibeast
  105. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    ability to pretty well crush Russia

    Nah, not very likely. Depends on where; on their periphery they’d blow the US away. Off the coast of Florida or South America then it’d be the US. The US style of war is to dump lots of bombs and missiles with troops coming in afterwards. The US has no real army, it’s just a bunch of people who need jobs who’ll scatter the moment they start getting hit. They have no cause to fight for. Russia, China are at the end of a long supply line for the US whereas they live there and can keep it up indefinitely without going nuclear. For anyone to think the US could fight both simultaneously or one after another is incredible. The US engages in subterfuge, subversion, economic warfare, cyber attacks and who knows, perhaps bioweapon attacks against agriculture, livestock and even people. This military game of playing chicken risks a shoot down of a plane or a ship sinking with the loss of lives making retaliation inevitable with all sorts of consequences. We all get held hostage by the actions of these reckless fools.

  106. Piccador says:

    “Russia would also, very clearly, be an easier target than China. Russia has a lot of internal problems, which would become much exaggerated during a war”

    The author got this one totally wrong, in no way is the Chinese military even in the vicinity of Russian military capabilities, in fact at the moment the Russian military is the best equipped, the best trained and extremely patriotically motivated which makes it the most dangerous army on the planet. The Russian people always rally when they face an external threat.

  107. Z-man says:
    @antibeast

    Yes, the Russians agree with my conclusions.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  108. Malla says:
    @raga10

    China has as much the right that the USA has to send it’s navy to the Pacific. It is the USA which has loads of bases around China, not China around the USA. Look at things from China’s perspective. I am not saying China is perfect (no country is), but we need to get some balance here.
    Besides, China is the factory of the World. It needs international access to resources and markets or else some of its industries come to a halt, millions of its citizens will be without work, it is the duty of the Chinese Government to prevent this possibility. The USA has a large navy with many allies, with many bases around the world. China faces a similar threat Japan had during WW2, the USA has a history of applying international sanctions at whim, and it is in China’s interest to have naval forces to project its strength around the oceans when needed to protect its trade routes. China is doing what any sane nation would do and many industrialized nations have done or were forced to do the same, in the past.

  109. @nietzsche1510

    Well now they want to make it the “Indo-Pacific”. That’s what the Quad is for. The US and Japan and Australia want to keep China hemmed in without good Pacific access. Now they have recruited India to try to stop China in the Indian Ocean. India says it’s their security because China might help Pakistan and attack them. Yeah – I could buy that. No problem if India wants to be alert in the region. But that is not the reality of why they want Indian in the Quad. They are hoping India would help them to blockade China because China is building access to shipping in Sri Lanka and Myanmar and Pakistan – and soon Iran. China is sending its navy into the Indian Ocean because they know that is the US goal for the Quad so they want to be able to protect its commercial maritime traffic – such as oil. Unlike the joke that the US says it is in the South China Sea for that reason – when the reality is the overwhelming majority of the traffic into and out of the SCS is Chinese commercial traffic. So whose maritime traffic is the US protecting? LOL The Mainstream Media is great at propaganda. I give it to them.

    Similar fear against Russia in the Arctic is being drummed up too. And the Black Sea. It seems only the US and its allies has any valid “defense” concerns.

    • Replies: @Malla
  110. Tom Welsh says:
    @Showmethereal

    “Reminder that the US has a “nuclear first-use” policy in effect, while accusing Russia of doing just that”.

    I always find such statements puzzling. If you promise not to use nuclear weapons first, what is the sanction if you break that promise?

    Since within a day most people will be dead, and within a year all of them.

  111. @Defender

    You make good points… Though bear in mind China isn’t changing local laws. Foreign banks still have to abide by local laws – or they will go the way of Google and Facebook and Twitter. You can’t just lobby the Chinese government to change laws. Twenty years from now – who knows… But not now.

    Oh and you missed a project. Technion of Israel also built a brand new campus in Shantou – Guangdong, China. Hong Kong’s richest man put up a lot of money for it.

    As to what is going on in Israel – you made good points. Though recently the US is pressuring Israel not to increase ties with China. A huge desalination plant – which was almost assuredly going to be given to a Chinese company was stopped. Though – Israel did not revoke China building a new port – which the US Navy is not too happy about.
    Then you have the right wing in Israel who doesn’t want to get too close to China because China still votes for a “2 state solution” in support of Palestinians – and China refuses to abandon its friendship with Iran.

  112. “ZOG military still maintains the ability to crush Russia.” I’ll take that bet should it come to pass.

  113. The importance of Taiwan is they cornered the market of microchips.
    The chips used in those planes, missiles for the US and Chinese military.

  114. VICB3 says:
    @d dan

    Add to all this that the mission required four air-to-air refuelings:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/04/16/it-took-four-aerial-tankers-to-drag-four-us-air-force-f-16s-to-the-south-china-sea-and-thats-a-problem/?sh=47d86edc7bc6

    Hardly a credible force projection, inasmuch as if this were the real deal – the ‘Big Surprise’ as it used to be called – the tankers would be amongst the first aircraft to be shot down.

    Very simply, the United States isn’t equipped – not really – for these sorts of adventures.

    The aircraft readiness numbers alone are B.S.:
    https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/2021/04/f-35-readiness-failure-lessons.html

    While the above link addresses specially the F35, the same is true across the board for all U.S. warplanes: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=U.S.+AIRCRAFT+READINESS&t=ffab&ia=web

    We ought not to be concerning ourselves with foreign military adventures when we in fact have so very many real and growing political and economic problems closer to home.

    This is all sheer political stupidity and grandstanding that can’t end well if it continues. It’s what empires do in their terminal stages.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

  115. The Empire keeps pushing Russia and China into an alliance. This alliance is quite unnatural, as culturally Russia and China are worlds apart, but imperial actions made it inevitable and keep cementing it. To say that imperial policies are stupid would be an understatement. Imperial elites are either much dumber or much crazier than I thought. Maybe both.

    • Agree: niceland
    • Replies: @Malla
  116. Uncle Jon says:
    @Showmethereal

    Iran pretty much proved, by bringing down a sophisticated multi million dollar drone with a 10,000 homemade precision missile, that the era of aircraft carriers and fighter planes is coming to an end.

    What did they say?: “ …..they are not threats, they are targets…..” Spot on.

    All of the usual chest thumping of our military superiority is a relic of the past. Any attack on any of the countries of the axis of resistance will bear a heavy toll on the attacker, needless to say that all of the war games played out with respect to Russia, Iran and China showed that American military’s ass will be handed to them.

    Hence, lots of show for the allies and no bite. Desperation in full display.

    Taiwan is Chinese. As is Crimea Russian. The sooner they admit that, the sooner we can get back to peaceful commerce and competition.

    • Agree: Rdm, showmethereal
  117. Anonymous[670] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    Well, China’s WS-15 engines have recently solved all design and engineering issues, and will be placed in mass production.

    Most likely, this engine, and Chinese engine technology in general, will continue to advance, and will increasingly be used in their latest aircraft. Sort of a backup plan for China, so to speak.

    As to China’s collaboration and joint projects with Russia, of course those will move forward. They want to do combined space exploration, and it doesn’t get more advanced (and expensive) than that.

    What China needs more of is nuclear submarine technology, but they are making strides.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  118. SafeNow says:

    China tried to send a signal when it deployed gigantic (12,000 tons!) coast guard cutters and double-hulled flat-sided merchant ships. Ramming, and shouldering. Playing at bumper-boats. Creating a “presence” without using warships. Worst-case scenario: An escalation into an exchange of small-arms fire — better than WWIII. The US belligerently responded by sending a carrier group. On the plus side: recent joint US/Japan CG exercises. That’s much better. Establish “presence” with zero risk that a miscalculation escalates into war. This approach will lose-out to the belligerent mindset. Blinken, the Don Rickles of Anchorage — says it all.

  119. “Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia.”

    You cannot be serious. Surely the US has more weapons, but Russia’s capability in crucial military technology (especially missiles) is at least ten years ahead of the US. US ships, tanks and troops would be annihilated well before the Russian border.

  120. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Low IQ, ego-addicted personalities, otherwise known as “government,” can usually be counted on to make the wrong choice.

    At the upper levels, particularly if they’re from the Ivy League, they’re not necessarily low IQ, although your conclusion that they can be counted on to make the wrong choice is undoubtedly correct. Nothing predicts bad judgment quite like their graduating from our elites schools.

    I miss the affected Ivy League tics being passed off as indicia of genius. In the void we’re left with farcical videos of rock stars like Harvard’s Tony Blinken grimacing while simulating masturbation with a guitar neck. And this guy’s in charge of our foreign policy with Thief-in-Chief Biden short-leashed to keep him from falling off stages. This is the end.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  121. antibeast says:
    @Z-man

    The Russians basically said the J-20 is China’s ‘ONE BIG F-U’ to the USA which no longer produces the F-22s and faces lots of problems with the F-35s. China now has the military capability to establish air supremacy by deploying the J-20 against any F-xx bird the USA can fly into the air. With the J-20, China has invented a new category of strategic ‘air supremacy’ fighter jets which no one else has including the USA.

    Any more questions?

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Sick of Orcs
  122. Malla says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Not only that, the Crazy Empire becomes extremely belligerent against a far stronger China of 2021 and was comparatively much friendlier with a comparatively weaker China of 2001!!

  123. noname27 says: • Website

    It would make much more sense if the American people declared war on the Federal Government and rid themselves of that cancerous growth that is Washington DC.

  124. Yee says:

    AnonFromTN,

    “The Empire keeps pushing Russia and China into an alliance.… Imperial elites are either much dumber or much crazier than I thought.”

    It doesn’t really matter to them Russia and China forming an alliance, since the US has no intention to go to war with either.

    All these provocations are to get a responding action from Russia/China, then use that respond to control Europe and Asia nations.

    The Empire can’t afford to lose control of nations on the Eurasia continent, especially the European ones. So there’d be no easing on Russia no matter how hard you try to comply with them… It’s not about you, but the rest of Europe.

    • Agree: antibeast
    • Replies: @Uncoy
  125. Z-man says:
    @antibeast

    Yes, are you a member of the Chinese politburo? LOL 🤣😆🤣

    • Replies: @antibeast
  126. Anglin has been eating too much fried rice again. As to the rest of you commie lovers at Unz review, I am still waiting for russian or chinese missiles to bring down an israeli plane. I know they have hypersonic missiles or hypersonic dicks stop the BS.

  127. @antibeast

    Any more questions?

    chinee can’t drive a car. Do you really think their pilots are much better?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  128. SafeNow says:

    The “out if control” assessment comes to mind. 13-second clip:

  129. The people should ask: “How is this good for America?”

    A question which would render 99% of the federal mob mute.

  130. Joe Wong says:
    @El Dato

    The short combat radius of F-16 only allows it to reach Kyushu from Yokota Air Base. South China Sea is thousands miles away from Kyushu. Extrapolating some fully loaded F-16s landing at Yokota Air Base to a fully loaded mission to South China Sea to intimidate Chinese is simply a fake news from people without basic math capacity, and a desperation to cover American paper tiger being poked embarrassingly.

    • Thanks: Rdm
    • Replies: @Rdm
  131. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    China showcased its J-10B equipped with the WS-10B-3 (“3” indicates 3D thrust vectoring) engines at the Zhuhai Airshow in November 2018. It is possible but I doubt that the Chinese learned to do 3D thrust vectoring from the Su-35 jet engines which China bought only in 2015. That’s too short a time period to redesign, reengineer, remake and retest the WS-10B-3. Besides that, production models of the J-20A were spotted as early as September 2017 using the WS-10C with a thrust of 147kN which is greater than the 137kN thrust of the Russian AL-31FN Series 3 jet engines used in the older prototypes and early models of the J-20As. In addition, the J-20Bs are now reportedly using the improved WS-10B jet engines which have replaced the Russian AL-31FN2 jet engines near the end of 2019, while awaiting the induction of the long-delayed WS-15. What this means is that even without the WS-15 which would allow the J-20s to supercruise without afterburners, China no longer depends upon Russia but uses its own jet engines as a stopgap measure pending the arrival of the WS-15.

    China has its own CJ1000 turbofan jet engine program for its C919 narrowbody aircraft but is collaborating with Russia to jointly develop the CR929 widebody jet with a jointly-developed jet engine as well. In addition, China also has its own CJ2000 turbofan jet engine program for its original C929 but will likely use the jet engine jointly developed by Russian UEC and Chinese AECC which signed an MOU in September 2017.

    China is making rapid progress in jet engine technology as proven by the induction of WS-10 variants for the J-10s and J-20s, with superior performance both in thrust and RCS compared to the Russian-made AL-31FN series engines. The WS-15s are nice to have but they’re not needed at this point.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  132. antibeast says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    chinee can’t drive a car. Do you really think their pilots are much better?

    Chinee don’t need to drive a car because they just take high-speed rail.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  133. antibeast says:
    @Z-man

    Yes, are you a member of the Chinese politburo? LOL 🤣😆🤣

    No, I am a member of the Green Gang.

  134. @Z-man

    I don’t know about having some love you long time, but I know all these friendly yellow people are dominating the mutts economically and they sure are tough in both the technological/industrial AND spiritual departments. And they have an actual country that they can count on.

    And here we are, getting deluded with obviously falsified reports from the (((beast’s))) military machine, which somehow still can’t cover all the fuckups despite 100% media control.

    You know what, you are right? Time for us to find love long time, both men and women.

  135. @Marckus

    Nah, faggotry really only belongs in the (((West))). Chinese private media companies just banned all (((feminist))) bloggers too.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/closure-online-feminist-groups-china-sparks-call-women-stick-together-2021-04-14/

    The huwhites of the (((West))) should celebrate what was fought over two World Wars for, 1945 Payback!

  136. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    China is sending its navy into the Indian Ocean because they know that is the US goal for the Quad so they want to be able to protect its commercial maritime traffic – such as oil.

    China has all the right to secure the Indian Ocean region and should too, as it connects to Africa, Middle East and the Suez Canal to Europe. But let me tell you something, India, QUAD or no QUAD will never be happy about this, an area which it considers its own backyard. Call it irrational, I know, but it will not be happy and will take appropriate actions within its capacity. That is how the Indian Deep State thinks.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  137. ” … Russian territory is worth the utter destruction of Israel as well as all major metro areas in the United States, effectively wiping out globohomo from the face of the earth.

    the globohomo, as you call them, are very good at living underground. For 3,000 years they have terrorized this planet with crusades, wars, and now endless war. I would think during just one of these wars one side, or the other, would issues troops to seek and destroy these cretons down to the last relative. But, No, it never happens, They always survive, and will do so again. My guess is it won’t change, but only get worse. Take your operating system, ‘er, I mean vaccine, like a good boy and shut up.
    Look at the current financial system as the heart, and it’s weak and sick? Digital currency is basically a heart transplant. That’s why Moderna, Phizer et al created this vaccine, really an operating system. It meshes nicely with the nanotech patents that Bill Gates’s, and some others too, already hold for nano-machines that are inserted into your body through the blood stream. They are designed to transmit signals through flesh and bone to the IOT, and then into computers which will measure your biometrics to determine whether or not you did the correct amount of labor. The computer will communicate back to your onboard operating system, and deposit (or take away), the proper amount of digital credits earned or lost, based on your measured biometrics of labor exerted.
    There will no longer be a minimum wage. Minimum effort will not be acceptable. Work or starve. Who will you complain to?
    Want your future told? Read UN agenda 2030.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
  138. All the high-tech weapons discussions on news sites are getting pretty tiresome as they did on the forums and the chans. Maybe all of us ought to admit that anything more than small arms/infantry weapon systems really is over the head of most here, even on UNZ.

    I mean, can most people here even service their own cars in a proper manner? Without Googling constantly?

  139. Malla says:
    @raga10

    Neither the UK, France nor Italy are imperial powers anymore. All that France in Africa is hyped up bullshit. Mitterrand, the leftist Socialist French leader himself said that the African ex-colonies do not leave Papa France alone and they ex-colonies lobby in French Elections. Interfere in the elections of a sovereign country.
    France in Africa is leftist and Afro-nationalist crackpot bullshit.

    India is mostly responding to military build-up of China

    Yup, I know India looks at China as an enemy but what does that have to do with the Navy?? The dispute is a border dispute in the Himalayas, so what has the Indian Navy has anything to do with the Himalayas???

  140. @Anonymous

    Yes – I did hear the WS-15 is basically finished and should be deployed in the next 2 years…. But I still give Russia the edge right now… Plus it’s not definite – until deployed. Even Russia with all it’s experience has experienced years of delay with the new engines for the Su-57.
    Same with civilian engines. China solved the turbine problem (Rolls Royce and a German company both evaluated it and said “good job”) – but it’s still years away from flying. The PD-14 from Russia is doing actual tests in the air right now. I mean yeah in about 10 years China might pull ahead – but for right now – I still wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t by a few Su-57’s and civilian plane engines.

    But yeah – their space cooperation is big. I saw on a western space side people deriding Russian contribution – but it doesn’t make sense (I think they were just mad China and Russia were working together). Russians still have huge space experience. Even more so when you count the ones who went abroad. If it takes some Chinese money to pay the ones abroad to be willing to return – I’m sure Putin would consider it worth it. China has made huge strides in space tech – but there are still some knowledge gaps that Russian experience will help with.

    Meanwhile NASA is still banned from working with China’s space agency. I really don’t get why Washington DC wants China to be an enemy.

  141. Rdm says:
    @Joe Wong

    You’re absolutely right !

    I checked.

    ever decreasing capacity of American nutwits at THE DRIVE

    https://ibb.co/9ZRmp4H

    • Replies: @Kaner
  142. @antibeast

    All true what you say… But I think it might have been possible to re-engineer the WS10 that debuted at the Zuhai show. I mean – other than as I said – throwing a couple billion Russia’s way – there was no other reason to buy an Su-35 at all. As noted – they use Chinese sensors and weapons. The J16 and J11D even use more composites in the body so are a little lighter. Either way – that’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if they do the same with the Su-57 and buy 2 dozen. Aside from potentially studying the engine – it helps the manufacturing costs for Russia. Not that Russia is trying to force China – but it is the reason all US allies are being forced to buy F35’s which as everyone now knows is an underperformer for the price and has low sortie rate capability. Either way I still think China will keep buying certain systems from Russia just for geopolitical reasons but also where they can learn. I mean China’s indigenous air defenses have become advanced (again learning from Russia) but they still bought the S400. Russia still has the best system – so “why not?” and why not add to the trade numbers… I expect China will probably buy a few S500 as well

    On the civilian side – yes I’m aware – but those engines are a long way off. There is no telling what the US might do. Rolls Royce is an option – but that is British so same issue might pop up – like with Huawei. The PD-14 is almost ready to go – so to me it would only make sense. I’ve seen a COMAC official state that Rolls Royce and Russian engines would be looked at for integration even if the US doesn’t restrict GE – just because it is better to have diversity of suppliers. So we shall see.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  143. If Biden starts the Third World War for vague reasons, will anyone in the Establishment admit that not re-electing Trump (so to speak) was a mistake?

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    , @Theone
    , @anon
  144. @Malla

    I have no issue with India wanting to monitor the Indian ocean and prevent any attack against it. No problem with that at all. But if India joins in US hostility shares tracking of Chinese ships with the US – then I am against that. If India would attempt to participate in a blockade against China on US orders then I would have a problem with that. As long as India is only considered with protecting India – there is nothing for anyone to be alarmed at. Truth is the Indian Ocean is India’s backyard in the same way the South China Sea is China’s. China has no desire to try to intimidate India – though yes it does sell ships to Pakistan – but it sells to Bangladesh and Thailand also. If there was no US pressure in the Pacific/SCS – then China wouldn’t waste time having to send navy ships. In a perfect Asia – China would ask India to provide security for Chinese vessels in the region.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @Malla
    , @Jazman
  145. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    As to aircraft carriers – why do I care what Mao said???

    Because it illustrates the shift that took place in Chinese foreign policy since his time.

    China has missile coverage to keep away foreign navies from getting too close.

    Exactly. Aircraft carrier is not a defensive weapon – you don’t use them to protect your shores, you use them to project force beyond your land-based coverage. It’s no accident that USA, the biggest source of imperialism on this planet, has more of them than all other countries combined. But that doesn’t mean that China has no ambitions of their own!

    Another offensive capability is amphibious warfare, because you rarely need to do beach landings on your own territory. And China is pouring a lot of resources into that area as well – why would that be?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  146. Source is the Daily Stormer.

    Wow, US military jets flying around ex-CONUS with live non-nuclear weapons. I’m shocked.

    Next update, they’ll add that the US Navy’s Battle Groups are cruising around carrying loaded live munitions.

  147. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    China (again, much like USA before them) would love to build their own network of overseas bases and they really like Africa for some reason – must be the sunny weather.

    There was a recent piece of news saying their naval base in Djibouti will be large enough to support their aircraft carriers.
    And of course in order to get to these bases they have to sail through the Indian Ocean.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  148. Re: limited combat range.

    Combat range is not that same as cruising range. Afterburners guzzle fuel. So not Eco mode.

    F-15’s combat range unofficially was around 15 minutes. That was the maximum amount of time designed into scenarios in a radar simulator that was used for RWR testing. It was a hard limit. It wasn’t one of the parameters that could be reset to classified numbers post production.

    Ever hear of KC-135s and DC-10 Extenders? Refueling in the air. No need to touch down anywhere.

  149. Mike Tre says:

    This is a clickbait article worthy of the cock measuring Muh Saker liked to do with the US and Russia militaries. There will be no war with China or Russia. But clownish tyrant wannabe’s must rattle their little toy sabers. Biden is Lt. Whatshisname from Stripes.

    “Schizophrenically, right-wingers who more or less deny the coronavirus”

    Anyone who uses the word “deny” to de-legitimize a counter argument is owned by the Jews.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  150. Agent76 says:

    Apr 10, 2021 American Greed Helps China’s Military Rise

    China has a secret weapon. One so devastating, it could even make an invasion of Taiwan possible. What is this secret weapon?

  151. @Old and Grumpy

    China also has to stop sending consumer goods here.

    Why?

    Some of all those dollars have been used by the PLA/PLAAF since the ’90s to fund cutting edge Russian research efforts on fun topics like missile seeker heads.

  152. @Servant of Gla'aki

    As if re-electing Trump might not have been a mistake as well.

    How did your life actually improve while Trump was in office?

    Clowns to the Left. Clowns to the Right.
    Stuck in the middle again.

  153. Imagine if China flew fully-laden military jets through the Gulf of Mexico, from a base in Cuba, say. The Gods Upon the Earth in Thanatopolis DC who chew their own heads off in rage. Beneath this ceaseless Western aggression, the vicious lies, the stinking hypocrisy, the villainous bigotry and crass envy at China’s progress lie two great horrors-fear and race hatred. The West is undergoing what Jung called a psychic epidemic as all the dead souls who rule the West go into a self-reinforcing frenzy of race and cultural hatred, one that has long past the point of pre-genocidal fury.

    • Replies: @Bork
  154. Herald says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Perhaps this is true, but the downside for Americans would be that the USA (and perhaps Team America® in its entirety) would also cease to exist.

    Why let a little thing like your own evaporation spoil the fun of giving those Ruskies a good thrashing.

  155. @Mike Tre

    ‘Dispute’ is better than ‘deny’. But after a certain point, as with anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialism, it becomes a fanatic cult immune to reason, logic and facts, and omnicidal in consequences.The Rightwing hive mind doesn’t do admission of error-it hurts their tiny, little, egos.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Alfred
  156. Kaner says:
    @Rdm

    So glad you pointed that out ! The Drive is a total embarrassment. Their prestitutes and their dimwitted posters. Like someone said above, nothing but a bunch of clueless gen z , who cheer about their dysfunctional crap machinery ,the prospects of war with russia, clearly not understanding that they will get the call, if that happens. And they cant take their xbox with them.

    It is impressive the knowledge of MOST posters here. @Majority One) has a great take among many. Russias equipment is superior because they have to make every ruble count. The SU 35 is second to none because its just a perfected SU27. The dont try to invent some junk like F-35. They take an old chassis and just make it better. One can buy 2 Su35 for the price of the Cash for Clunker F-35

    I will admit Drive did point out the grounding of entire B1 fleet. BUT true to boneheads there who just post “well the B-52 , the best bomber in the world will have to do the job” Nitwits never heard of Khinzal launching Tu22M3M s and the TU160. That sums it up .

    Did anyone see the story Drive did on the missile (S-200) that got close to Dimona? Yea sure. An errant SAM puts out a blast like , if you look around you can see.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40290/syrian-surface-to-air-missile-flew-way-off-course-triggering-alarms-before-exploding-over-israel

    Dont laugh too hard there.

    I do laugh at some that seem to go outside their niche. I know what Andrews is but it doesnt seem like geopolitics related to Military capabilities are anywhere near his specialty. If i were Andrew id researched the S400 before making a dumb claim like that.

    It does seem like many are reaching outside their personal knowledge base. We cant know or be right about everything but know your limitations Andrew.

    Its like Mr MonkeyWerx on YT. The info is interesting but he cant find those Global Hawks loitering around Crimea for some reason . When he ever starts talking Geopolitical he always promptly inserts his shoe in his mouth and embarrasses himself. If you cant do the research which he clearly doesnt, then just pass. Hes always thinking Iran, Syria , Russia are the aggressors, and poor little Israel.

    Well weve been given a gift. Its easier to pick out the shills from people who actually research. As soon as i hear the Rah Rah , go get the evil death stars of Russia, Iran etc, they are no longer worth paying attention to. They are either compromised or utterly clueless. Andrew, Monkeyman. Just stick to what your good at . Dont offer to destroy your credibility

    • Thanks: Rdm
    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @showmethereal
  157. Biff says:

    Despite how nutty the US has gotten, the ZOG military still maintains the ability to pretty well crush Russia. That’s true at least as far as an observer is able to observe.

    Rumsfeld is that you?

  158. The Illegitimate Biden Regime by appointing Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III, a AA-Diversity quota hire and Critical Race Theory-BLM advocate, is sending a message to China, Russia and the world that they will have no problem using militant Marxist hoodrats and Antifa soyboys to do the dirty ground work should they try and hurt any magic negro from the hood.
    That should scare the daylights out of them. Wow..yeah…Huh huh…..

  159. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Well, I never said, India is totally rational in its attitude and behaviour.

    If there was no US pressure in the Pacific/SCS – then China wouldn’t waste time having to send navy ships.

    Yes, the threat of the US Navy might be forcing China to expand its naval footprint too.

    In a perfect Asia – China would ask India to provide security for Chinese vessels in the region.

    Yes, true.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  160. Theone says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Nah,they are just gonna say that the lives lost were just clump of cells,that you are a moron trying to own the libs,that its trumps fault because he helped Saudi Arabia and that you are racist.(facts and logic do not work on the left,bullets does)

  161. Rdm says:
    @Kaner

    I didn’t read the Article thoroughly. I tried, but after a few paragraphs with wikihow, my eyes rolled. But still I gave the benefits of the doubt, but couldn’t.

    It’s not even a decent journalism or legitimate report. It’s just copy and paste like a noob from wikihow, blockquote “the drive”, with some cheesy schizophrenia symptoms pamphlets, it’s all over the place.

    As I said, there are skits and beady everywhere.

    —–

    skits = a derogatory term to describe White people in general. Chink for Chinese, Gook for Viet and Korea, Jap for Japanese, Skits for Whites. White people usually rank 2nd in schizophrenia spectrum, which makes them vulnerable for neuronal diseases like Alzheimer’s etc.

    beady = a derogatory term to describe White people physical eyes shape.

  162. What the author describes is called, “postering”.

  163. @Anonymous

    Daniel talks about that video too.

  164. @Stebbing Heuer

    You are about as stupid as it gets. You deserved everything that is coming to you. China would only take 2 to 3 years to diversified it’s iron ore sources. Then you and your country would be completely, utterly fucked.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  165. @Malla

    Lol, what happened to India big brother in all of asia stuff?

    • Replies: @Malla
  166. Mike Tre says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    LOL – you’re a silly low IQ pet. I think I’ll name you spot.

  167. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    It looks like India is not too happy with the US now.

    Listen to her rant against the US.

    • Replies: @Malla
  168. antibeast says:
    @Z-man

    Do you have a Chinese girl friend who ‘Makey you happy GI’. ROFL!!!!

    You’re confusing Japan and South Korea with China. There are no GIs anywhere in China because there are no US military bases there. Mao made sure that will never happen ever.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @showmethereal
  169. Malla says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Lol, what happened to India big brother in all of asia stuff?

    Fortunately International Law does not ( and should not) depend on some idiotic delusions of grandeur.

  170. @Desert Fox

    Fox, you’re on point there as usual. Imagine, though, how the zionists are going to fight the rest of the world without managing to gull enough people to soldier up for them and do their fighting. They are obviously lunatics who can only see their goals and imagine that all of humanity will continue to slave away for them and allow themselves to be destroyed in service to the lunatics.

    I don’t think it’s going to work out the way they imagine.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  171. Malla says:
    @anon

    Exactly, that is why I keep on criticizing this India is US sepoy bullshit, though from some perspectives there might be some truth to is (pro-US forces working within India). India is a stubborn country and just because it considers the USA its important ally does not mean it will kowtow to the USA. People here do not understand India, it is an extremely stubborn and suspicious country and in our minds, “the West and China are both Imperialist pigs of the same breed but different colour”. Indians, deep inside, in this regard are more similar to Vietnamese in their basic attitude on this big Global geopolitical game.

    • Replies: @Malla
  172. anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    No.
    What is happening is what the Estab/Shit State wants.
    Biden/Harris just lamps.

  173. @raga10

    “Another offensive capability is amphibious warfare, because you rarely need to do beach landings on your own territory. And China is pouring a lot of resources into that area as well – why would that be?”

    Oh that is very easy…. In case they need to physically retake Taiwan if the US encourages them to try to declare independence. There is nothing secret about that. That is the finality of the civil war — not imperialism.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  174. @raga10

    “China (again, much like USA before them) would love to build their own network of overseas bases and they really like Africa for some reason – must be the sunny weather”.

    No – that is far too costly. China has no interest in such silliness. Chinese don’t like to waste money.
    Why Djibouti? China’s navy is one of the main forces who stops pirates in the region. Why? Again – China has the most commercial vessels in the world and that area is vital to China’s energy resources. But having naval bases around the globe to project offensive power on whichever country China doesn’t like??? Not even remotely close to the truth.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @raga10
  175. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Also Biden is an idiot. Playing with an important alliance. Trump with all his rants about Indian restrictions on American Imports (legitimate rants if you ask me) knew how to handle Indo-US relations much better. But Trump was more popular in India, he had an unfair advantage. The mustachio hairy chested macho masses of India (not the pro-Biden pussyboy Westernised folk) prefer straight talking Alpha man leaders like Trump (or Putin) over senile slow Joe.

  176. @Twodees Partain

    I hope you are right, but seeing all the sheeple wearing masks, a sign of submission to the zionist created hoax , scam and psyop of covid-19 and the genocide vaccination agenda, including some of my friends. I just do not know.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  177. @Astuteobservor II

    We do not live by iron ore alone. Far from it!

    Anyway: a Chinese diversification away from our iron ore would oblige a diversification of our industrial base and export base away from iron ore, which I would welcome wholeheartedly.

    Our floating currency and broadly free capital markets would spur and facilitate the adjustment.

    Hardly anyone works in the iron ore industry, so the effects on employment would be negligible.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Rdm
  178. @raga10

    What caste are you rags? I bet you’re a Brahmin-the pitiful arrogance is text-book.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @Bork
  179. @the grand wazoo

    Actually if you read what he said, he said the Republican conservatives are schizophrenic, not the Jewish psychopaths running America. He is talking about the pro Trump crowd and the qanon crowd. Having dealt with these people, what he says makes a lot of sense. IMO these people are completely delusional. I don’t believe in covid 19 myself but the conservative republicans are just as bad as cnn.com when it comes to the truth. Anyone who supports Trump after the fiasco of his Presidency is delusional and an enemy of America just as much as anyone on the left. The reason America is fubar is because both the right and the left are equally wrong. Everyone represents their own selfish position and nobody cares about the truth. America will fall just as the Roman Empire fell. There is no fixing America. It is a lost country.

  180. bojangles says:
    @antibeast

    Wild weasel is an air-to-ground tactic to remove SAM sites. Then why are they loaded out with air-to-air armaments? Slow news day article that smells of that which makes plants grow. Every sortie is loaded with live armaments. I think Mom is calling downstairs, “Dinner is ready!”

  181. bojangles says:
    @Bill Jones

    “Back when the US could make a movie about putting a man on the moon.” FIFY
    A little issue called the Van Allen Belts.

  182. Z-man says:
    @antibeast

    Ha!
    I made a lazy error in my joke. ‘Heebehunter’ had a better line from Full Metal Jacket.
    All kidding aside, I’m an American and I couldn’t give a rats ass about China, Korea or Japan. In a conventional war we would easily defeat the Chinks, not that I want to go to war with them. I want to go to war with Izrael. (Wry grin)

    • Troll: Realist
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Rdm
  183. denk says:
    @raga10

    India is mostly responding to military build-up of China,

    Nonsense !

    China’s ‘military build up’ , especially its navy, was a direct response to US encirclement and provocations, nuthin to do with India.

    Fact is, India already operated a carrier fleet long before China upgraded its military, in fact bharat had planned for a three carriers fleet, but looks like it had been scrapped now due to the dismal progress of INS VIKANT, the 2nd carrier.

    India made no secret of its superpower wet dream, Delhi sees China as the obstacle to its Greater India South Asia hegemony, while US
    sees China a threat to pax murikka.
    hence, A marriage made in heaven/hell !

    Both have been conducting war games near the Malacca choke point.,

    You whine about Chinese warships ‘menacing” jp merely by passing thru Miyago straits ?

    Hell, jp has been brandishing a dagger at China’s jugular for decades !

    Another bandit crying robbery !

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-japan-conduct-naval-exercise-amid-china-row/articleshow/76680779.cms

    https://eurasiantimes.com/from-taiwan-to-malacca-us-now-holds-massive-drills-with-indian-navy-to-check-mate-china/

    https://eurasiantimes.com/three-regions-where-india-is-silently-chocking-china-a-furious-beijing-has-no-answer/

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @raga10
    , @Malla
    , @raga10
  184. raga10 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    What caste are you rags?

    If I were Hindu I would totally be a Brahmin! But I’m not Indian; I’m actually white European. You can believe me or not, makes no difference to me.

  185. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    But having naval bases around the globe to project offensive power on whichever country China doesn’t like??? Not even remotely close to the truth.

    I’d like that to be true, but I’m having hard time believing it. Time will tell, I guess…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  186. raga10 says:
    @denk

    You whine about Chinese warships ‘menacing” jp merely by passing thru Miyago straits ?

    I was merely mirroring the language of the headline of this article, which was of course preposterous. China is not going to be menaced by a couple of F-16’s flying by, and Chinese excursions near Japan are nothing new either. But if he’s going to whine about Americans, why shouldn’t I have the same fun?

    • Replies: @denk
  187. One-off says:
    @raga10

    Exactly. In particular, China has done actual damage to my country (USA) and to the world. Just because D.C. is utterly corrupt and evil doesn’t make Moscow or Beijing good places.

  188. Alfred says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Australia is not committing financial suicide. We’re doing fine down here thank you very much.

    Australia is hugely dependent on exporting iron ore to China.

    There are massive high-quality iron ore deposits in West Africa. A famous Australian investor in this sector tried to exploit them. His plane crashed in the jungle – he and all his team were killed. Hardly an accident. They probably tried to warn him off. Clearly, the Aussie government and their henchmen wanted him out of the way. Now, the Chinese are going to exploit these deposits. Goodbye good times. 🙁

    Rescuers have found the wreckage of a plane carrying Australian mining tycoon Ken Talbot and 10 other foreigners but there were no survivors, Cameroon’s communications minister says.

    The plane carrying the entire board of the Sundance Resources mining company went missing over thick jungle on a flight from Yaounde, Cameroon’s capital, to Yangadou in Congo-Brazzaville on Saturday.

    No survivors from Australian miners’ plane crash (2010)

    Currently, their company is unlisted. Here is what happened to their share price after this “accident”. It is a tough world out there mate. I am glad the Aussie media is not telling you what is really going on. Have a look at the Deagel Report for Australia 2025 – population drop by 1/3 and individual income by 2/3. https://archive.is/nAHJK

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  189. One-off says:

    qAndrew, Andrew, Andrew….

    For someone who takes the positions you do, this is in total contradiction to them all!

    China obviously owns trash like Biden. McConnell, Blinken, name the treasonous degenerate. There is no way in hell this Administration will do a freaking thing for Taiwan; the more likely reason for the visit to Taipei is to threaten them if they deploy nukes. Can’t tell if one of those might hit an Apple phone production facility, you know. Watch WWE. This is what is happening there. I hope Xi and his puppet’s handlers get a good laugh out of it.

    The real action is on the other front. The U S.is hellbent on attacking Russia, either frontally or vicariously. Once this were underway, D.C. would throw up its hands and claim it was too busy to stop China from annexing Taiwan. This is the modus vivendi currently between Washington and Beijing. The fly in the ointment may be Germany and Europe, which are tired of the imperialist bullshit and frightened by the U S ‘s descent into madness.

    Once it had Russia down, D.C. would unleash a genocide against Heritage America and its European American people.

    We need to be studiously neutral in any war with Moscow, and ready to separate from this Evil Empire if that happens and the opportunity presents–Putin is no better than “Biden”. Neither Beijing nor Moscow is fundamentally opposed to our people, but D C. is ready, willing and possibly able to kill us. With any luck, if D C. gets bogged down or crippled by a (hopefully) limited nuclear strike, we can move towards independence.

    Pulling back, this may be an optimistic analysis that attributes greed to what is rank insanity, but given the players I’m going with traditional graft.

  190. Alfred says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    would oblige a diversification of our industrial base

    Are you being serious?
    When is the last time Australia made motor cars?
    Airplanes?
    Consumer goods?

    The deindustrialization of Australia started decades ago. They used the fake global warming / renewable energy nonsense to push up the price of electricity to a level that puts off any manufacturers.

    They are shutting down your aluminium smelters – in a country that exports coal. They want you to just export dirt.

    Fears Rio will shut local aluminium smelters

    A country cannot run at your standard of living – importing 90% of oil – where everyone is in the services fake industry – lawyers, bankers, hairdressers, nail artists etc. I explained how the iron ore business is doomed above.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  191. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    But I think it might have been possible to re-engineer the WS10 that debuted at the Zhuhai show.

    Here’s a photograph comparing the J-10s outfitted with AL-31FN (left) and WS-10B-3 (right) displayed at the 2018 Zhuhai show:

    Note the difference between the smooth surface of the conical nozzle of the AL-31FN (left) vs. the sawtooth feathers of the elongated nozzle of the WS-10B-3 (right). To re-engineer the WS-10 for the 2018 Zhuhai show shortly after acquiring the Su-35s in 2015 gives China only three years to re-make and re-test the WS-10 engines. But the physical design is not the hard part of implementing 3D Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC) which requires adding electromechanical controls to the nozzle while writing the software algorithms to compute the angle and direction of the nozzle in real-time in order to maneuver the aircraft under pilot control. All these flight algorithms have to be digitally simulated with High Performance Computing (HPC) under various aerodynamic scenarios which is not possible with wind-tunnels. China must have started this extremely complex 3D TVC project much earlier which few countries have achieved.

    Here’s a video of the J-10B outfitted with the WS-10B-3 with 3D TVC:

    Note the complex maneuvers made possible with 3D TVC which is calculated in real-time by the on-board computers of the J-10B. Those software algorithms are the ‘secret sauce’ which can not be ‘copied’ by anyone but have to be designed, engineered and simulated in an HPC environment.

    China’s Su-35 purchase was more of a goodwill gesture to Russia which was suffering from US sanctions in 2015. China wants to develop its own CJ1000 jet engine for its C919 because it compete against Russia’s MC-21 which uses the PD-14.

    • LOL: Z-man
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  192. Uncoy says: • Website
    @Yee

    The US might just get war though. That was the point of V.V. Putin’s official warning. Don’t expect local warfare. US use of ‘battlefield’ tactical nukes for instance will result in all out war. Putin warned the oligarchs about the post-Yeltsin changes (pay your taxes, pay your workers, shut down your private armies/hit squads, stay out of politics). Some didn’t listen and lost everything.

    There is very little which is clever about this brinkmanship, unless you are a hedonist nihilist with no children or grandchildren. In which case, après moi la deluge. No surprise that many CIA supported Western leaders fit such a profile.

  193. @antibeast

    Chinee don’t need to drive a car because they just take high-speed rail.

    Except there are now more cars in red china than the US.

    Not counting chopsticks and crude gunpowder, everything technological the red chinee have was stolen (or sold or even given away) from the West.

    I’d think thrice before lionizing folks who murdered 80 million of their own kind to make square communism fit the round hole of reality.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Disagree: antibeast
    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @last straw
  194. antibeast says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    The USA has no high-speed rail which was invented by the Japanese.

  195. Data says:

    The National Interest: Did Israel ‘Help’ China Build Its Deadly J-10 Fighter?

  196. “Instead, people seem to be totally unaware that it is even a question they should be asking.”

    Right. Because it isn’t a thing. Nevermind a question or a question that anyone should be asking. It is in your silly little girl’s head. Like OMG

  197. Z-man says:
    @antibeast

    Incorrect, the US has a high speed rail system in the North East Corridor-Boston-NY-Washington DC. Has had it for a while.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Rufus Arrr
  198. Rdm says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    We do not live by iron ore alone. Far from it!

    I believe you. So many entertainments,

    Our floating currency and broadly free capital markets would spur and facilitate the adjustment.

    Hardly anyone works in the iron ore industry, so the effects on employment would be negligible.

    Sure mate. Whatever floats your boat currency.

    Exports: The top exports of Australia are Iron Ore ($67.5B), Coal Briquettes ($51.5B), Petroleum Gas ($34.1B), Gold ($25.4B), and Aluminium Oxide ($5.6B), exporting mostly to China ($111B), Japan ($41.5B), South Korea ($18.9B), India ($15.3B), and United Kingdom ($10.6B).

    Reference
    https://oec.world/en/profile/country/aus

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  199. Jazman says:
    @showmethereal

    India first need to get enough oxygen for hospitals and also to drastically improve sanitation . They are century behind China but competing with US who will bark more against China

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @Malla
  200. Realist says:
    @Z-man

    In a conventional war we would easily defeat the Chinks, not that I want to go to war with them.

    Occasionally you find an acorn…this is not one of those times.

    • Troll: Z-man
  201. antibeast says:
    @Z-man

    Incorrect, the US has a high speed rail system in the North East Corridor-Boston-NY-Washington DC. Has had it for a while.

    European and Asian countries define ‘high-speed rail’ as trains running at a MINIMUM speed of 200km/h for the duration of the trip between any two stations. The Amtrak ‘Acela Express’ trains for the US North East Corridor along Boston-NY-Washington DC run at the MAXIMUM speed of 200km/h with an AVERAGE speed of 135km/h. That means the USA has NO ‘high speed rail’ comparable to those in Europe and Asia as of April 24, 2021.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  202. @antibeast

    So China stole tech from Japan? Fair enough, Japan “borrowed” Chinese writing.

    High-speed rail has proven to be unnecessary in the States. One silver lining of covidhoax is millions more now realize commuting for computer-based work is foolish and wasteful.

    communism is a failed system. It is certainly possible to admire Chinese culture while eschewing their tyrannical government.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  203. Rdm says:
    @Z-man

    Agree. Skits and Chinks should fight.

    Skits lost 2 conventional wars: Korea and Vietnam. But Skits definitely can win against Chinks.

    In July 1967 there were race riots in Detroit and Newark while General Westmoreland in Vietnam was asking Defense Minister McNamara for extra troops. American GIs casualties far more exceeds than north Vietcong. America needs “moon landing” to hypnotize Americans.

    After 50 years, no manned spacecraft was ever sent to the Moon and MSMs lost their credibility to rake up all the dirty tricks. Now they fully achieved the entire European skits Americans under control, a fine representation by Z-man.

  204. denk says:
    @raga10

    cUT the craps !
    I just called you out, JP is the one
    provoking China at its doorstep all these years.
    ——————————————-

    India has no imperial ambition,.

    Why does it need three aircraft carriers ?
    Why is it buying weapons like crazy ?
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/world-s-largest-importers-of-military-arms.html
    Why has it joined the anti Chinese QUAD. ?

    ———————–
    Why did jp build those IzUmo class ‘destroyers’, which are de facto aircraft carriers ?

    Why did JP tear off its its peace constitution, allowing Japan Self Defence Force to operate oversea ?

    Why do jp conduct amphibious WAR Games with the gringos,…
    Who’s beach is Jp planning to storm this time ?

    • Replies: @d dan
  205. Malla says:
    @denk

    China comes in India’s backyard and makes alliances with India’s sworn enemy Pakistan and stubborn India will sit behind? It will got to China’s backyard too, it has old friends there. India has its own Guanxi in East Asia and it pick up phone and call old friends in that neighbourhood. hehehe

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/india-vietnam-concludes-two-day-naval-exercise-in-south-china-sea/articleshow/79978759.cms?from=mdr
    India, Vietnam conclude two-day naval exercise in South China Sea

    https://southasianvoices.org/elevating-india-vietnam-maritime-cooperation-in-the-indo-pacific/
    ELEVATING INDIA-VIETNAM MARITIME COOPERATION IN THE INDO-PACIFIC THEATERIndo-Vietnam Alliance

    https://eurasiantimes.com/india-vietnam-set-for-extensive-naval-drills-in-the-south-china-sea-with-aim-to-send-message-to-beijing/
    Clear Message For China As India, Vietnam Set For Extensive Naval Drills In The South China Sea
    India and Vietnam continue to enhance their maritime cooperation, as part of which the Indian Navy Ship ‘Kiltan’ will be undertaking a two-day ‘Passage Exercise’ with the Vietnam People’s Navy in the South China Sea starting from December 26. This comes days after China has lambasted the India-Vietnam PM-level summit.

    And Vietnam India friendship and brotherhood is old. During the 1971 Bangladesh liberation war when Pakistani Army were crushing the Bangladeshi liberation Shantibahini movement and China, USA and UK all were friend with their Pakistani dictator allies (and thus supported crushing the Bangladeshi Independence Struggle from Pakistan), along with the USSR, Vietnam helped India. India never forget this help from old friend.

    https://eurasiantimes.com/how-vietnam-rescued-india-from-an-impending-us-attack-during-1971-war-with-pakistan/
    How Vietnam ‘Rescued’ India From An Impending US Attack During 1971 War With Pakistan?

    • Replies: @denk
  206. antibeast says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Not counting chopsticks and crude gunpowder, everything technological the red chinee have was stolen (or sold or even given away) from the West.

    This is what you wrote in post #194 which I debunked by pointing that the USA does not have ‘high-speed rail’ which was invented in Japan not the West.

    High-speed rail has proven to be unnecessary in the States.

    But you claimed that the USA has ‘high-speed rail’ in the Northeast which I also debunked.

    Except there are now more cars in red china than the US.

    That’s the problem that China wants to solve by building electric-powered public transportation networks including high-speed rail, maglev, trackless trams, electric buses, driverless cars, etc. based on indigenously-developed, world-leading technologies including 5G, AI, etc.

    China wants to go ‘green’ by going all-electric unlike America which wants to go ‘black’ by relying on oil. Better to go ‘green’ because once you go ‘black’, you can never go back.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  207. denk says:
    @Malla

    CIA/RAW orchestrated the 1959 Tibet ‘riots’,
    India invaded China 1962…
    What do you expect China to do…
    roll over and play dead. ?

  208. Z-man says:
    @antibeast

    Before this China virus America had an efficient air transport system including short hauls. The distances between big American cities makes train travel inefficient and unappealing for the most part. The limit for regular rail travel for me would be NY to DC. However there are considerable commuter rail, light rail and rapid transit systems in most metropolitan areas.

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @antibeast
  209. d dan says:
    @denk

    That guy (@raga10) probably does not have good grasp of the complicated geo-political reality and history of the East China Sea area. Naturally, he/she wouldn’t understand who is menacing who, or appreciate who is doing the provocation in the first place.

    • Replies: @denk
  210. Rdm says:
    @Z-man

    Nope.

    We America has a bullet train from Fresno to SF.

    Our fully loaded F-16 can fly from Kyushu to South China Sea with a single tank of gas. If need be, air fueling can propel our fighters to go around the Malacca Strait.

    No nation can match our F-35.

    We muscular skits can outrun any chinkies.

    https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/?post=6346395

    We Skits are the best.

    • Troll: Z-man
  211. @antibeast

    Pity they didn’t invent the bomb. Only high-speed rail and Godzilla.

  212. antibeast says:
    @Z-man

    Big US cities are surrounded by suburban towns which are connected by highways and freeways, thus requiring US residents in those suburbs to commute by driving a car. Although most US cities have public transport such as buses, subways and light rail, the US residents who drive to work from suburbs don’t take them with few exceptions such as New York. To commute from one big city to another requires either driving a car or taking an airplane because few want to take Amtrak trains or ride buses. For one-hour flights say from SF to LA, it would take around eight hours of freeway driving by car or bus.

    China began building highways and freeways starting in the 80s all through the 2000s. The result has been calamitous as air pollution and traffic congestion soared with rapid urbanization turning Chinese cities into megalopolises. To alleviate this problem of air pollution and traffic congestion, China opted to build high-speed rail to connect cities and mass transit systems within cities with ride-sharing, taxis and buses providing the last-mile transport services using electric vehicles. From 2008 to 2020, China built some 35,000km of high-speed rail thereby reducing considerably the demand for auto and air travel between these cities connected by high-speed rail. In addition, people living in big cities started moving to small cities where they could now save on living costs and commute by high-speed rail to the big cities.

    This process of urbanization has now changed from big-city megalopolises connected by highways and freeways to clustering of big and small cities connected by high-speed rail. I call this process ‘rurbanization’ which means rural + urbanization or bringing the city to the countryside. High-speed rail in China has even spurred new eco-tourism or wellness industries as urban residents take high-speed rail to visit small towns on weekends while short-haul air travel and long-distance bus transport has declined considerably.

    This Chinese model of ‘rurbanization’ made possible by high-speed rail is completely different from the US model of ‘suburbanization’ made possible by driving cars on highways. The benefits of high-speed rail has been so great that China plans on doubling its high-speed rail network to 70,000km, connecting every big and small city throughout China by 2035.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  213. @Kaner

    I read some of the comments on “The Drive” and they are indeed “scary”. It seems quite a few of them were (or are) in the military. I hope they are pretenders who just play too much “Call of Duty” or whatever is the most popular gun shooting videogame. They are FAR too overconfident. Scary.

  214. d dan says:
    @Rdm

    “China says ready to help but India looks elsewhere for oxygen.”

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/china-says-ready-to-help-but-india-looks-elsewhere-for-oxygen/articleshow/82202441.cms

    This is very sad. It is a humanity disaster and yet they still care more about ego and politics.

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @anon
    , @Malla
  215. Rdm says:

    C’mon @Z-Man.

    Don’t be a keyboard warrior by pressing “Troll” on me. Show me some brotherly love.

    In time like this to fight against Chinks, we need Skits like you. We can show those chinks how blue our blood is. In any conventional war, We skits will win. We Aryan will fight to death to defend our product: Made In the US “blacked”.

    The world knows how we lost won Vietnam war with sweat and blood. We showed our blood in Gook war. What more do we need?

    We just need a true blue Skit like you to enlist in our military.

    To slap those chinks with our mighty air powers, we skits with beady eyes need to rise up and form KKKK, not triple, it’s too little. We’d show our force. We’d show our strength.

    The world knows our White boys, how big our asses are.

    We repay back with our might to weak, bystanders strong Asian peers.

    Come and join us. The future awaits us.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  216. @antibeast

    True of the mainland. He was probably mocking the numerous “Suzie Wong” types in Hong Kong… Sadly even up to the 80’s that was the case…. My relatives witnessed it firsthand still.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  217. raga10 says:
    @denk

    Both have been conducting war games near the Malacca choke point.

    And why shouldn’t they? I don’t know what maps you’re using – perhaps Chinese ones? – but Malacca Strait lies between Malaysia/Singapore and Indonesia and legally it has nothing to do with China.

    Yes, of course I understand that much of Chinese shipping passes this way so it is important to them, but that’s exactly the problem with imperial powers: they never attack, they just “defend their interests”.
    By this logic, they should control Suez Canal too…

    BTW, what’s their excuse for building their African base large enough to host their aircraft carriers? If all they want to do is protect their shipping from Somali pirates they hardly need aircraft carriers to do that job.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  218. chrimony says:
    @showmethereal

    Why do they need to retake Taiwan? It has effectively been an independent country for over 70 years. If they really want peace and trade with the world, let bygones be bygones and normalize relations. But they act like petulant children that want ALL the marbles.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  219. @Sick of Orcs

    Except there are now more cars in red china than the US.

    Not counting chopsticks and crude gunpowder, everything technological the red chinee have was stolen (or sold or even given away) from the West.

    I’d think thrice before lionizing folks who murdered 80 million of their own kind to make square communism fit the round hole of reality.

    Yes, China sells more than 20 million cars easily a year, while the US sold about 18 million in its best year ever. It shows you how strong China’s economy has become.

    The US developed by stealing European technologies:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/

    https://apnews.com/article/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53

    https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

    Only idiots will attempt to reinvent the wheel. The rest learn and improve. By doing so, China is now at the forefront of green technologies (new energy vehicles, solar and wind power etc), the application of quantum physics, 5G, space technologies etc. China has also established first rate academic institutions in the world. You just do not know better.

    You do not have to lionize anyone. Just be aware that China now has a longer healthy life expectancy than the US at birth. I think China eventually put communism into a round hole quite well.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    , @Malla
  220. @raga10

    Well based on Chinese history – I wouldn’t expect the leadership to start making dumb catastrophic decisions for another century or so – if the earth is still standing. Wars happen – the nation starts to congeals – makes a great ascent – plateaus for a long time – and then marks a slow decline which ends in a conflagration. That usually happens over 250 to 300 year cycles on average.

    But wanting to protect commercial assets is very different from force projection. Think of it more like the voyages of Zheng He – before the Ming rulers made the catastrophic decision to destroy naval expeditions. Their goal was trade and cultural exchange. Following the same pattern the Qing… Gained pre-eminence (though they weren’t as stable since like the Mongols in the Yuan – ethnic minority Manchu ruling over a majority Han you were bound to have lots of rebellions) and then got arrogant and said “ahhh – we don’t need the barbarians – so let’s close up shop again”. Well they missed the industrial revolution. The CPC seems to be cognizant not to be too arrogant. That’s why even with the US tech blockade – they keep repeating they will work with other foreign countries. That is wise. While China certainly can and should cultivate its own tech – closing off to the world is not good. Believe it or not you have some ultra nationalists who think its a good idea. Thankfully they are relatively few. But US hostility is stoking those embers….

    To get back to force projection… Chinese are actually averse to people in other nations being like them. If that changes I will be first to say it’s wrong. But I don’t think I would need to as it would signal a coming decline if China makes that dumb decision to be the world’s hegemon.

  221. Rdm says:
    @d dan

    Modi is awaiting Covid vaccine from the US because he heard that USS Makin Island is bringing some in Indian Ocean.

    ———–

    Pfizer initially requires African government sovereign assets as indemnity for the vaccine. After boycott, they backed down. That’s how the US vaccine is now turning into political game. MSMs pushing other vaccines side-effects while completely underreporting Pfizer’s.

    https://mg.co.za/coronavirus-essentials/2021-04-19-pfizer-backs-down-over-unreasonable-terms-in-south-africa-vaccine-deal/

  222. @antibeast

    Thank you. Thank you. “Rurbanization” well describes the only sane and sensible direction to enable a sane future for an ever-expanding number of humans.

    Currently, I am staying in a fourth-tier suburb, which is the fastest growing of all the burbs in the metastasizing Twin Cities megalopolis. It is a dystopian vision where Gertrude Stein’s description of Oakland, California almost exactly a century ago: “There’s no there there”. These places almost perfectly describe anti-communities. Cultural adhesion is virtually nonexistent. People do not mingle very much and now with the impositional plandemic, the madness is exacerbated many times over.

    Socrates pointed out some 2,500 years ago that cultural adhesion is extremely difficult if not impossible in cities with populations topping 35,000. Today, across the fruited plain, numerous cities and their metroplexes frequently number or surpass 3,500,ooo…insanity writ large.

  223. @antibeast

    Funny enough I actually watched a fair amount of that Zuhai Air Show when it happened – LOL. I’m a lover of cars and aircraft. I remember the anti China crowd was saying “oh that’s a waste of time – stealth is more important” since the F35 doesn’t have them. It was laughable because the F22 is much better performing for air to air combat than the F35 and it has 2D torque vectoring. They were comedic and seemingly jealous.

    -Oh I have no doubt the algorithms would be all Chinese on the 3D TVC… But my contention was related to the actual structure. I don’t have any classified military information – so I can’t say what China and Russia talk about. It is fully possible they were consulting beforehand. It is also possible that there was no Russian input – but based on what China has done with the whole Flanker series – I would wager (if I was a gambler) that there was some Russian input.
    Look at air defense. China’s top local one is from what they gleaned from the S300. I’m sure China will try to find a way to implement things learned from the S400 on the next local system.
    Take also submarines. China has a dozen Kilo class Russian subs. The US hates them because they are so hard to track. China’s own diesel electric subs have Air Independent Propulsion which was not based on any Russian design (I believe it is similar to a German one if I’m not mistaken)… But there absolutely must have been things China learned from those Kilos.
    You could indeed be absolutely right that the Su35 purchases were goodwill… That’s why I say the same for the Su57. It wouldn’t hurt the budget in any way. And unlike a plane I won’t name that a lot of countries are being strong armed to purchase – the Su57 has great performance metrics rather than trying to be a flying supercomputer.

    -Well China should indeed keep going all the way on the CJ1000… But in the interim – the PD14 – when it is fully available is “safer” than relying on the west.
    But I don’t see the C919 and MC21 as competitors. It will take a LONG time for China to work out the supply chain to make that a viable plane to export. I can’t say what Russia’s plans are for the MC21. In reality though look at the ARJ21… They can’t make enough to stop importing planes of the same class. I mean even in the US – Boeing isn’t the only plane. Plenty of Airbus jets are flown by US domestic airlines. In reality – Chinese airlines should look to purchase MC21’s in addition to C919’s because there is no telling what can happen Boeing — or even Airbus…

    • Replies: @antibeast
  224. @Rdm

    According to many Unz commenters the anti Asian (really anyone who looks Chinese) violence is all blacks attacking Asians.. I can only imagine how they will try to clean up both of those.

    Ouch for that first knockout. His footwork was pretty good – which allowed him to leverage his punch for more power. His attacker obviously knew nothing about fighting except from videogames. How do you get hit with two straight rights in a row? No head movement – no attempt to jab to learn your range…??

    And yea – good for grandma. That guy won’t have an easy time when they find out he attacked an old woman. But they might go a little easy since she beat him up in the end.

    • Agree: Rdm
    • Replies: @Smith
  225. @Alfred

    Go and research the Cantillon Effect.

    Reducing our dependence on iron ore, and iron ore exports to China, will be GOOD for our economy.

    I have nothing to say about your conspiracy theories.

    Deagel strike me as a bunch of muppets. I attribute them zero credibility.

  226. @Alfred

    Are you being serious?
    When is the last time Australia made motor cars?
    Airplanes?
    Consumer goods?

    It seems I have to explain basic economics to you.

    We don’t manufacture those things BECAUSE we are able to buy what we need from overseas by shipping out tonnes of red dirt. For the same reason the US has deindustrialised because it can buy whatever it needs from overseas in exchange for federal reserve notes.

    The less red dirt we ship, the less US$ income, the lower our exchange rate, the more profitable it becomes to manufacture those items here.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  227. @Rdm

    I used to think I’d wasted my time studying economics.

    You three have changed my mind.

    Please go and research the Cantillon Effect.

    • Replies: @Rdm
  228. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @d dan

    Sad …. when your leaders don’t have the courage to lead.

    Kumbh Mela Will Not Be Cut Short, Say Officials

    • Replies: @Malla
  229. @raga10

    “And why shouldn’t they? I don’t know what maps you’re using – perhaps Chinese ones? – but Malacca Strait lies between Malaysia/Singapore and Indonesia and legally it has nothing to do with China.”

    Now you are simply being a hypocrite. You should be calling India and Vietnam imperialists too then since the Malacca Straits doesn’t fall within their territory and “legally has nothing to do…” with them. Be consistent. You were pretending to be objective but now you are showing that you aren’t really.

    So you are saying China should just sit there and let the US practice blockading China?? Are you even remotely serious??? If someone practices blockading the Suez Canal – it will cause a reaction by other nations. Be serious. And no – China doesn’t need aircraft carriers to take on pirates (they are not just Somali – the Malacca Straits deals with plenty of pirates too) – but they do need them to ward off attempts by the US to blockade China.

    • Replies: @raga10
  230. @chrimony

    Why retake Taiwan??? That’s too long a history session for here. But it’s an absolute lie that Taiwan “has effectively been an independent country for 70 years”. Absolute revision of history. Nobody in Taiwan was talking about independence until the 21st century. It was always expecting to retake Mainland China – until it became clear that wasn’t going to happen. The Constitution calls itself the “Republic of China” and claims to be the government of all of China (and until recently Outer Mongolia and Outer Manchuria). That’s why it is not in the UN (unlike North and South Korea). The rest of the world understood they lost.

    If you want a divorce it costs you. There is no way on God’s green earth that the PRC will allow the US to turn Taiwan into another Japan and have weapons threatening the PRC. You can’t remotely be serious. That is not even logical. Are the people in the DPP (the KMT still holds to One China) willing to sign a peace treaty stating no foreign forces can ever set foot or place weapons on the island??? Are they willing to agree to forbid any foreign intelligence cooperation?? Are they willing to agree to not let any company on Taiwan be willing to comply with hostile economic sanctions?? Anything less than any of that is not even remotely realistic and is nothing but a phony proposition.

    Frankly – if they really want to make it happen they should offer to pay for all the national loot taken to the island???

    • Replies: @raga10
  231. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    Now you are simply being a hypocrite. You should be calling India and Vietnam imperialists too then since the Malacca Straits doesn’t fall within their territory and “legally has nothing to do…” with them. Be consistent.

    Consistent? You were claiming not long ago that Chinese battle group hanging around near Okinawa should not be alarming for Japan, but now you claim that Chinese concern over Indian/Vietnamese exercises near Malacca Strait which lies well beyond Chinese territorial waters is perfectly justified? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

    • Replies: @denk
    , @showmethereal
  232. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    If you want a divorce it costs you.

    That would be an acceptable position to open negotiations but China doesn’t agree to a divorce, do they? As far as they are concerned divorce seems to be completely off the table; that’s the problem here.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  233. chrimony says:

    But it’s an absolute lie that Taiwan “has effectively been an independent country for 70 years”. Absolute revision of history. Nobody in Taiwan was talking about independence until the 21st century. It was always expecting to retake Mainland China – until it became clear that wasn’t going to happen.

    Taiwan and China have effectively been independent countries for 70 years, despite what any side has laid claims to. And given that Taiwan knows they are never going to retake China, there is only one belligerent party that insists on taking over the other.

    If you want a divorce it costs you.

    There was a cost. They lost all of mainland China and have been relegated to an island.

    There is no way on God’s green earth that the PRC will allow the US to turn Taiwan into another Japan and have weapons threatening the PRC. You can’t remotely be serious. That is not even logical.

    Just like Japan, it’s that way already. But do you think at this late stage in China’s ascendancy that Taiwan would be anything but suicidal to initiate a war with China? It’s only China’s continued belligerence to Taiwan, and inability to accept their independence, that forces Taiwan to try and keep pace to prevent an invasion. If China normalized relations and accepted their independence, they would probably become allies, much like the UK and the US are traditional allies, despite the US being forged in a revolutionary war.

    Frankly – if they really want to make it happen they should offer to pay for all the national loot taken to the island???

    It’s ridiculous demands like this that prevent peace. The Communist party got all of mainland China. Crying over “loot” from 70 years ago is petty and stupid. If China really wanted to be considered peaceful and not empire building, they would stop huffing and puffing about petty shit like this, which I wonder if this is an actual demand from within China that you’re parroting.

    • Agree: raga10
    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @showmethereal
  234. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    There are no GIs in China. And no, the red light districts in China don’t take in laowais. Even the red light districts in Japan and South Korea don’t cater to foreigners. If you’re talking about Pattaya in Thailand or Angeles City in the Philippines, then those red light districts cater to foreigners. So he could referring to the sex tourists from Western countries or GIs from US military bases in Japan and South Korea visiting those red light districts in Asia but other than those two, I don’t know of any other places which cater to foreigners.

  235. denk says:
    @raga10

    Hey idiot,

    YOu say the QUAD practicing dry run at Malabar to blockade Malacca straits, virtually China’s jugular, is no big deal, none of China’s biz.

    Now that China is returning the favor, paying a mere courtesy call to jp, you get into a tizzy ?

    Pot , kettle you ass !

    This is bandit crying robbery.

    • Replies: @raga10
  236. denk says:
    @d dan

    raga is not ignorant , he’s a very shifty [email protected]#$%

    —————–

    hey raga the shifty one…

    Ex jp FM Taro Aso
    complaing to Indian prez

    thru out history, jp/.china never had a harmonious relation.

    jp diplomat in China

    China should reflect why more than 90% of jp dislike China

    This is jp psychosis in a nutshell.

  237. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    If you’re talking about airframes, then you’re right that China had been a copycat of Russian designs going back to the 60s. You name it, the Chinese have done it: J-5, J-6, J-7 based on the Soviet MiG-17, MiG-19 and MiG-21 fighters, respectively. After the fall of the Soviet Union, China then signed a co-production deal with Russia to manufacture the J-11 based on the Su-27 but ended up cancelling the deal after producing 100 J-11s. China then decided to produce its own variants of the Flanker such as the J-11B, carrier-based J-15 Flying Shark and strike-oriented J-16 based on the Russian Su-27, Su-33 and Su-30, respectively. But China also came up with its own airframe designs such as the J-8, J-9 (cancelled), J-10 and J-13 (cancelled). There are speculations that the J-10 was based on the Israeli Lavi but that’s not true as it closely resembles the J-13 which had been in the works since the 70s while Israel started the Lavi project only in 1980.

    So I doubt that the Chinese had to copy the sawtooth feathers in the nozzle of the WS-10B-3 from the Su-35. That was the easy part. The hard part was writing the software to control the nozzle in order to maneuver the aircraft as directed by the pilot in the ‘fly-by-wire’ electromechanical system and testing the software in a computer simulation. That software had to be developed internally not copied from an external source. What the Chinese probably did after purchasing the Su-35 was to use the aircraft as a benchmark by gathering data about its performance while doing those maneuvers. Then they used the Su-35 benchmark to validate the performance of the J-10C doing 3D thrust-vectoring during flight tests. Satisfied with the results, the Chinese then rushed to showcase the J-10C in the 2018 Zhuhai Airshow, becoming only the second aircraft in the world to do 3D thrust-vectoring, the first one being the Su-35.

    As for missile defense systems such as the S-400, the easy part are the missiles themselves. The hard part is detecting and tracking targets while guiding the missiles to their targets. Again, this is more of a software problem which has to be developed internally not copied externally.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  238. raga10 says:
    @denk

    YOu say the QUAD practicing dry run at Malabar to blockade Malacca straits, virtually China’s jugular, is no big deal, none of China’s biz.

    I’m not sure what you’re saying here, it seems I drove you into a state of frenzy and you’re becoming incoherent.

    But I would like to point out that Malacca Strait is hardly China’s jugular! It’s not like Strait of Hormuz, where if Iranians block it they really completely cut access to international sea routes for Iraq or Kuwait. China has plenty of access to open waters and while a lot of their trade goes through Malacca Strait, it is not their only route – it’s merely the shortest way for their trade with Europe (and Africa, but nobody cares). Cutting it off would certainly be an inconvenience but in no way an existential threat to China.

    BTW, Japan ALSO depends on it for their trade in Western direction, as does Korea, Vietnam or Philippines.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @denk
  239. Malla says:
    @chrimony

    Mainland China (People’s Republic of China or PRC) and Taiwan (Republic of China or ROC ) are both two types of China. It is more like North Korea and South Korea. So for the PRC, it is like unification of China, just like how DPRK (North Korea) wants an unification of Korea or like how Vietnam and Germany were unified.
    Anyway’s the Han do not make Taiwan’s original inhabitants. They migrated to the island for the last few centuries. The original Taiwanese natives (ethnic groups like the Ami, Atayal, Bunun, Kanakanavu, Kavalan, Paiwan, Puyuma, Rukai, Saisiyat, Saaroa, Sakizaya, Sediq, Thao etc..) are now just 2% of the population and mostly live on the Eastern mountainous regions. The PRC officially considers them collectively (Gaoshan) as one of the 56 ethnic groups of China (which includes majority Han, Tibetans, Uighurs, Koreans etc…) whereas the Taiwan recognizes 16 groups of Taiwanese aborigines.

    I wonder what percentage of Taiwanese would welcome unification with the mainland and what percentage would resist or oppose unification. I suspect, the number of Taiwanese wishing or finding it acceptable to join the mainland under the CCP is much larger than we think. Since the PRC has become more prosperous and comparatively socially free than the early Communist period. I wonder if there are comprehensive polls on this issue. Also, most of classical Chinese culture is well maintained in Taiwan while a lot of it was destroyed on the mainland during the Cultural Revolution.

    On a different note it is comedy how the states North Korea/ DPRK/ Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and erstwhile East Germany/ GDR/ German Democratic Republic/ Deutsche Demokratische Republik used/use the term “Democratic” in their names. LOL Whom are/were they trying to fool?

    • Replies: @chrimony
  240. Malla says:
    @d dan

    and yet they still care more about ego and politics.

    It is “wound to national pride”. You guys will not understand. It is an Indian thing.

    I personally believe India should be friendlier to China, but because of my position I am a “weirdo” in India.

    • Replies: @d dan
  241. Malla says:
    @Jazman

    China during the Korean was was a century behind the USA with a much smaller economy and was basically a shithole compared to the USA but does that mean it laid low and played like a puppy to Uncle Sam’s finger. People have no idea, the hatred and mistrust Indians have towards China.

  242. chrimony says:
    @Malla

    Mainland China (People’s Republic of China or PRC) and Taiwan (Republic of China or ROC ) are both two types of China. It is more like North Korea and South Korea. So for the PRC, it is like unification of China, just like how DPRK (North Korea) wants an unification of Korea or like how Vietnam and Germany were unified.

    No shit. You aren’t offering any new insights here. But Taiwan is geographically separated from mainland China and has been under independent rule for over 70 years. Rather than forcing reunification, both sides (especially Communist Party China) can just agree to go their separate ways instead of trying to force the issue. Perhaps if the two systems harmonized at some point they could be reunited, but as it is right now it’s the Big Bad China that insists on bullying and bribing everybody else into submission and insisting that Taiwan is rightfully theirs. Please Remain Calm tries to act magnanimous and peaceful on the world stage, but they throw their weight around when it comes to their back yard.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Malla
    , @Anon
  243. Smith says:
    @chrimony

    Taiwan has 23 millions people.

    Let them decide.

    But Taiwan, ultimately, is a chinese colony, like Singapore. But unlike Singapore, they have successfully reduced the natives to a small minority.

    Both are projects that are designed to facilitate dominance of China trade in the region through the control of the Taiwan strait and the Malacca strait.

    Anyone who actually care about China imperialism should not let another Taiwan/Singapore happen. Singapore is up for grab tho, if/when the malays decide to take it back.

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @showmethereal
  244. @antibeast

    Not counting chopsticks and crude gunpowder, everything technological the red chinee have was stolen (or sold or even given away) from the West.

    This is what you wrote in post #194 which I debunked by pointing that the USA does not have ‘high-speed rail’ which was invented in Japan not the West.

    The train was an American invention, and since modern Japan exists because of the West, theft of Japanese-improved Western tech is essentially ripping off Western inventions.

    High-speed rail has proven to be unnecessary in the States.

    But you claimed that the USA has ‘high-speed rail’ in the Northeast which I also debunked.

    That was a different commenter, but I’ll stand by his comment.

    Except there are now more cars in red china than the US.

    That’s the problem that China wants to solve by building electric-powered public transportation networks including high-speed rail, maglev, trackless trams, electric buses, driverless cars, etc. based on indigenously-developed, world-leading technologies including 5G, AI, etc.

    Depending whom you ask, there’s another 50 to 90 years of oil, not counting reserves which become viable with advancing tech, plus 60 years of natural gas and over 100 years worth of coal.

    Do you think red china–the world’s #1 polluter–is the only country trying new things?

    communism is an evil relic of a bygone era. China had to become capitalist to even exist in its present form.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  245. Rdm says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    You didn’t. Your grandfather, Morrison, did.

    He’s now turning Parliament into brothel house.

    Go and study Banana Republic and Malthusianism.

    The country that used to be the beacon of Western civilization now turns into bankrupt country. Its import(63B) still exceeds that of export (37B). Greece had undergone debt crisis in recent years.

    Australia economy growth chart was closely aligned with China. Where do you think your currency will float if you decouple from China?

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  246. Rdm says:
    @Smith

    Your post deserves a physical reply.

    Take some pill before you type.

    Make sure you shake. If that doesn’t help, shake your head a bit, if need be, thump on either side so that the medicine spreads evenly.

    If it accumulates in your cortex, it gives you “retardophilia”.
    If it does in your cerebrum, you’d get “karenotosis”.

    • Replies: @Smith
  247. @last straw

    “America does it, too.” You’re really going with this argument to justify red chinese treachery?

    By doing so, China is now at the forefront of green technologies (new energy vehicles, solar and wind power etc), the application of quantum physics, 5G, space technologies etc. China has also established first rate academic institutions in the world.

    What’s your source for these claims? red chinese state-run media?

    The red chinee laugh at baizuo ignorance.

    Planet China is nowhere you’d like to live, even if you’re America-born Chinese.

    • Replies: @last straw
  248. Malla says:
    @chrimony

    For the CCP it is like the Civil war is incomplete as long as KMT Taiwan exists. Maybe Taiwan should stop calling itself the ROC and take a completely different official name thus making the KMT’s ROC defunct. And thus become a completely different nation like how the USA became a different independent settler nation distinct from Britain with the native Taiwanese as Native Americans and Han Taiwanese as White Americans.
    Anyways the CCP Communists (and the KMT nationalists more so, they even claim outer Mongolia) are obsessed with getting the Manchu Qing Dynasty territory back (which eventually included Taiwan island). It is like the Russian Soviets who invaded the Baltic States claiming territory of the earlier Czarist Russia. Why would a Revolutionary state want the territories of an earlier Imperial state? Same with the Revolutionary State PRC and Imperial Qing Dynasty (or earlier dynasties) territories. It is like if Britain was to have a communist revolution, the new revolutionary British State could reclaim the earlier Imperial British Empire and impose Communism on the whole Empire, wether the peoples wanted it or not. Or if the Netherlands was to have a communist revolution, the new revolutionary Dutch State could reclaim Indonesia and impose Communism on Indonesian.
    Anyways that is my two cents, I tend not to write much about this Taiwan issue. Hope they come to some amiable solution and maybe they reunite but that is in between both the countries to decide.

    • Agree: mike99588
  249. Malla says:
    @last straw

    Well China is run by intelligent nerds (Jiang Zemin even looked the part, like some nerd professor/ scholar in some University). And they engineered their society to success.
    Murica on the other hand is run by lawyer shysters “who talk the talk” and sell their country for short term gain. Murican society has been viciously hating nerds for some decades now. We can see the results.

  250. Anon[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @chrimony

    If China normalized relations and accepted their independence, they would probably become allies

    I agree. It could possibly happen only if Taiwan’s future and relationship are decided by China and Taiwan, and not by other countries such as the US. As we speak, the US still has military personnel in Taiwan. After the US normalized its relationship with China and kicked Taiwan out of the UN, most of the US troops left Taiwan but the U.S. has never completely left Taiwan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Taiwan_Defense_Command
    https://www.stripes.com/news/us-military-history-on-taiwan-rooted-in-confrontation-with-china-1.445146

    Now there is a talk about the return of the US military force in Taiwan. I don’t think China will let it happen, though.
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/10/28/asia-pacific/us-forces-taiwan-china/

    Just as North Korea will never agree to denuclearisation as long as the US military forces station in South Korea, Okinawa, and other parts of Asia, China will never let go of Taiwan under the same condition.

    I was watching North Korean news years back. The newscaster was screaming: “North Korea would never use nuclear on our South Korean compatriots/brothers/sisters; we will use it on the menacing imperialist American dog if we are attacked. “. Its nuke was never about South Korea.

    The U.S. promised Russia that it would not expand NATO; Gadhafi gave up his quest for nukes. Look what happened. Do you think China should trust the US regarding Taiwan?

  251. Malla says:
    @raga10

    China has plenty of access to open waters and while a lot of their trade goes through Malacca Strait, it is not their only route – it’s merely the shortest way for their trade with Europe (and Africa, but nobody cares).

    It is not only the Malacca Straits, it is the whole Indian Ocean region as well. The USA has a extremely powerful navy and is acting menacing towards a rising China. The USA has outposts in the Pacific from WW2. The USA is behaving like how an old established power often behaves towards a rising industrial power. Kind of reminds you of Britain with its huge navy which dominated the whole world vs a rising Kaiser Germany. Germany even built Berlin to Baghdad railway line to have inland communication/transport systems out of the reach of the powerful Royal navy. China is is building BRI in Eurasia (as well as Africa-Indian Ocean region), deep inland, out of the reach of any navy. History repeats itself.
    China is acting like any sensible nation would act in this situation. Build a powerful navy to counter any threat. Indeed they should be ramping up their naval build up even more at this time. If that triggers naval build up of India, Japan, Australia, Vietnam etc… , in response, so be it. Indian build up would trigger a Pakistani buildup anyways.
    India, which has far less military capacity than China irrespective of our chest-thumping, has a far better central location on this planet for trade. Even the Europeans named the ocean after our civilization/subcontinent, the Indian Ocean, our location is so prominent and central here.

    • Replies: @raga10
  252. denk says:
    @raga10

    kiddo

    there’r eight maritime chokepoints in the world,
    due to their strategic importance.
    Malacca st is the most critical of the lot.
    China has every right to keep an eye on the QUAD, who’s been practicing how to knee on its jugular.

    Once the US goes the route of naval blockade, none of the other maritime alternative are safe.
    China’s best bet is the Gwadar-Xinjiang pipeline, may be its just coincidence that Xinjiang is under fukus econ sanction and the Chinese ambassador in Pak just had a narrow escape from an attempt on his life !

    Another chockepoint for China is the Mandeb straits, just off Dj coast.
    Must be another coincidence, FUKUS and the French already had bases there, so now you know why China need a base at Dj, to keep an eye on those two,…just in case.

    Free lesson over.
    Now your turn…

    Why does jp also has a base in Dj ?
    Why did jp build those IzUmo class ‘destroyers’, which are de facto aircraft carriers ?

    Why did JP tear off its its peace constitution, allowing Japan Self Defence Force to operate oversea ?

    Why do jp conduct amphibious WAR Games with the gringos,…
    Who’s beach is Jp planning to storm this time ?

    Why does India need three aircraft carriers ?
    Why is it buying weapons like crazy ?
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/world-s-largest-importers-of-military-arms.html
    Why has it joined the anti Chinese QUAD. ?

    ———————–

  253. bayviking says:

    The incompetent US military has dropped and/or lost many nuclear weapons. The Department of Defense calls these terrible accidents “broken arrows”. The U.S. admits to having 32 broken arrows worldwide, with at least six nuclear weapons never having been recovered.

    February 13, 1950. An American B-36 bomber en route from Alaska to Texas lost power in three engines and began losing altitude. The crew jettisoned a 30-kiloton Mark 4 (Fat Man) nuclear bomb, into the Pacific Ocean. The conventional explosives detonated on impact, producing a flash and a shockwave. The bomb’s uranium has contaminated the ocean for hundreds of thousands of years.
    March 10, 1956. A B-47 carrying two nuclear weapon cores from MacDill Air Force Base in Florida to an overseas airbase disappeared over the Mediterranean Sea. The wreckage, including the nuclear cores, was never found.
    January 24, 1961. A B-52 carrying two 24-megaton nuclear bombs crashed while taking off from an airbase in Goldsboro, North Carolina. One of the weapons sank in swampy farmland, and its uranium core was never found.
    December 5, 1965. An A-4E Skyhawk attack aircraft carrying a 1-megaton thermonuclear weapon (hydrogen bomb) rolled off the deck of the U.S.S. Ticonderoga and fell into the Pacific Ocean. The plane was never found. 15 years later the U.S. Navy finally admitted that the accident had taken place, claiming it happened 500 miles from land. This turned out to be another lie; it actually happened about 80 miles off Japan’s Ryuku island chain. This revelation caused a political uproar in Japan, which prohibits the US from bringing nuclear weapons into its territory.
    A crash involving a B-52 Stratofortress bomber over Spain in 1966 resulted in four nuclear bombs being lost for 81 days. The US personnel involved in the search and Spaniards in the area have lived with the legacy of the accident in the half-century since.
    Spring, 1968. While returning to home base in Norfolk, Virginia, the U.S.S. Scorpion, a nuclear attack submarine, mysteriously sank about 400 miles to the southwest of the Azores islands. In addition to the tragic loss of all 99 crewmembers, the Scorpion was carrying two unspecified nuclear weapons with a yield up to 250 kilotons explosive power.

  254. antibeast says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    The train was an American invention, and since modern Japan exists because of the West, theft of Japanese-improved Western tech is essentially ripping off Western inventions.

    Electric trains were an American invention? And high-speed rail was a Japanese-improved version of Western tech? So you’re claiming now that China ripped off a US invention which was improved by the Japanese but has yet to be launched in the USA?

    Communism is an evil relic of a bygone era. China had to become capitalist to even exist in its present form.

    You must be a Yank suffering from a nervous breakdown.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  255. @Sick of Orcs

    What’s your source for these claims? red chinese state-run media?

    Those who do not know better spew drivel.

    Some examples of China’s green technologies:

    Fusion reactor:

    https://phys.org/news/2020-12-china-nuclear-powered-artificial-sun.html

    Million-mile EV battery:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32801823/million-mile-ev-battery-pack-revealed/

    Wind power:

    [MORE]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/10/china-leads-world-increase-wind-power-capacity-windfarms#:~:text=China%20built%20more%20new%20windfarm,despite%20the%20Covid%2D19%20pandemic.&text=Most%20of%20the%20world’s%20new,power%20capacity%20built%20at%20sea

    Solar power:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2021/03/14/how-chinas-solar-industry-is-set-up-to-be-the-new-green-opec/?sh=193e1dc01446

    The application of quantum physics:

    Quantum computer:

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6523/1460

    https://www.wired.com/story/china-stakes-claim-quantum-supremacy/

    Quantum communication and space technology:

    https://phys.org/news/2021-01-world-quantum-network.html

    6G and space technology:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-54852131

    China has some of the world’s best academic institutions and R&D programs:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01227-6

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Science/China-passes-US-as-world-s-top-researcher-showing-its-R-D-might

    P.S. Judge for yourself:

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Sick of Orcs
  256. d dan says:
    @last straw

    “Those who do not know better spew drivel.”

    Every article about China in Unz produces a couple of new “experts” who know a lot about China, Taiwan and East Asia politics. Not only do they “know” a lots about the China industries (e.g. what are they good or bad at), history (e.g. where did they get their tech, what did they ever invent) and military (e.g. their hardware and capability, their fighting capability), they also “know” the solutions to the political problems and how to be “fair” to everyone.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  257. d dan says:
    @Malla

    “It is “wound to national pride”. You guys will not understand. It is an Indian thing.”

    Of course we understand it very well – we actually experienced it and also learned how to overcome it (at least most of it).

    You are under-estimating our knowledge and over-estimating the uniqueness of this “Indian” thing.

    • Replies: @Malla
  258. @raga10

    I never made any mention whatsoever about Indian/Vietnam exercises. So not sure what you are talking about. I’m pointing out your hypocrisy. And in case you don’t know – look on a map – China and Japan are neighbors. The Chinese navy is bound to pass them. That would be like India complaining about Sri Lanka’s navy or Malaysia complaining about Singapore’s. As I said you exposed your pretending to be objective.

    China’s concern about Malacca is not about imperialism. It is the fact much of the commerce and energy go through there. Every nation is concerned about piracy in Malacca… In fact – almost all the nations navies in the region run anti piracy drills. But China has the extra concern of US attempt at blockade.

  259. @raga10

    I already stated the only ways it could be viable. The DPP party wants divorce for free. They are not sensible. Again the KMT still holds to the One China principle. The DPP and the right wing hawks in the US are the ones calling for divorce.

    • Replies: @raga10
  260. @Smith

    LOLOL…. Singapore has never been a Chinese colony. That’s why it kept English as one of the official languages – in addition to Mandarin (which most of the Chinese were not even Mandarin speakers). Lee Kwan Yew was simply a pragmatic man. It was still an Anglo centric world so Singaporeans needed to know English – but he knew China would eventually rise again – and instead of using local ethnic dialects – they should know Mandarin. Yew actually was against the PRC because of communism. He only warmed to the PRC after they agreed to not support any communist revolutions in South East Asia. But Taiwan – well again Yew told Taiwan and Hong Kong – the rise of the PRC was inevitable – so since they WERE considered Chinese territory they should negotiate the best deal possible. In fact he said Hong Kong had it easier than Singapore for the simple reason Singapore was not part of China – and had ethnic tensions on the border.

    • Replies: @Smith
  261. raga10 says:
    @showmethereal

    I already stated the only ways it could be viable.

    I know you did, I read it. But I don’t think you are speaking for Chinese government, are you? Show me any Chinese official suggesting China would ever be open to any negotiations re: Taiwan’s independence.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  262. @antibeast

    “What the Chinese probably did after purchasing the Su-35 was to use the aircraft as a benchmark by gathering data about its performance while doing those maneuvers.”

    Yes – that is likely correct.

    “China then decided to produce its own variants of the Flanker such as the J-11B, carrier-based J-15 Flying Shark and strike-oriented J-16 based on the Russian Su-27, Su-33 and Su-30, respectively.”

    Yes true…But recall China also bought the Su-30 anyway – LOL. In fact Russia sold them the most advanced variant. About 100 of them. That was probably for production capacity and continuity with Russia’s program. So that’s why I wouldn’t be surprised about a Su-57 purchase. It actually is a different role than the J-20. We’ll see…

    Oh and as to the J-10 – a very strong and credible rumor is that the basis of the J-10 was the fighter that Israel was trying to build. They had been trying to work with China on defense for years but the US always got in the way. There was clandestine collaboration confirmed. One of which is unconfirmed – but when you look at the base – makes sense that the J-10 was one. But obviously China has moved far up the ladder since then. The upgrades to the J-10 have been remarkable.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  263. raga10 says:
    @Malla

    The USA is behaving like how an old established power often behaves towards a rising industrial power. Kind of reminds you of Britain with its huge navy which dominated the whole world vs a rising Kaiser Germany. […] History repeats itself.

    I agree with that, and that’s exactly why I come down on China – I would like just for once for history not to repeat itself.

    • Agree: Malla
  264. @chrimony

    “Taiwan and China have effectively been independent countries for 70 years, despite what any side has laid claims to. And given that Taiwan knows they are never going to retake China, there is only one belligerent party that insists on taking over the other.”

    You again show you don’t know what you are saying. They were both shelling each other well into the 1970’s. (PRC fishing people were even killed by ROC (Taiwan) forces into the 1980’s.) Stop making up stuff to fit your narrative when you obviously don’t know the history. Both sides then agreed to stop fighting and work towards a peaceful reunification. Even the Joint Communique between Beijing and DC noted BOTH sides of the Strait recognize they are a part of China. That lead further to ties being re-established into the 80’s and 90’s. The “One China Principle” was agreed that both sides would agree they are one country with two interpretations. There was NO independence movement until about 2000. Stop talking about things you have no clue about.

    “There was a cost. They lost all of mainland China and have been relegated to an island”

    That’s not how it works. With no formal treaty you don’t get to keep the island. just like without a court order you don’t get to keep the garage to the house.

    “It’s ridiculous demands like this that prevent peace. The Communist party got all of mainland China. Crying over “loot” from 70 years ago is petty and stupid. If China really wanted to be considered peaceful and not empire building, they would stop huffing and puffing about petty shit like this, which I wonder if this is an actual demand from within China that you’re parroting.”

    So was the Monroe Doctrine petty and stupid?? Would the US have allowed the Brits to keep Long Island??? That is stupid. That’s not how civil wars get resolved. Come t the real world. Who was it that said “to the victor go the spoils”??? Only someone who is stupid who doesn’t realize hundreds of millions of people were left without means to an economy for decades because of what was taken could make such comments. You really have no clue what you are saying.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  265. @raga10

    The DPP now comes up with a slick tagline since 2019 claiming “we are an independent country – the Republic of China, Taiwan”. Anyone with half a brain knows that is nonsense talk. The DPP officially wants independence but they can’t say that because that would violate the constitution of the Republic of China which clearly states Taiwan is a Province of China and the ROC constitutes all of the Mainland territory as well. Reality and official statements don’t match. Anyone with sense who understands the region knows why the PRC won’t give up the island just like that. That is silly to expect the PRC to make any official statement like that. You obviously don’t know how East Asia works. It’s not like the talking heads in the media in the west.

    You obviously don’t even get the wordplay of what I did in my previous comment. Basically what I said would amount to “1 Country 2 Systems”. Deng when he was leader even offered to let the island keep it’s military.
    Or to put it another way – as many Taiwan business people started to suggest forming a “Great China commonwealth market” – which would allow for free flow of business and citizens and exchanges – while each side kept it’s own laws (and it would have included Hong Kong and Macau also). They all add up to the same thing in practice.

  266. @Rdm

    Please stop with the petty insults about irrelevancies. I’m not affected by them and they do nothing to advance the argument, they only demean you by reflecting what is in your mind.

    We had an economy long before the China Boom, which started about twenty years ago. We will still have an economy if/when we decouple from China. It will be a different economy, but it will be an economy.

    Our imports have exceeded our exports for 40-50 years. This is nothing new for us. It is a consequence of having an open capital account in a world where structurally-saving countries – especially Japan, Korea, and China – need somewhere overseas to invest their savings. The trade imbalance is driven by capital inflows, not by the operation of the real economy. If it were driven by something structural in the economy, the currency would be worth about as much as the Bolivar or the Zim dollar. It’s not, it is accepted as a hard currency throughout most of the world.

    If we decouple from China, it is obvious where the currency will float – down! What I am saying is that this depreciation of the currency will spur the restructuring of the economy that is needed.

    You seem to concentrate all of your arguments on our trade association with China. We have had a floating currency for 40 years now, long before that association with China strengthened. We have learnt to deal with its ups and downs. Large, sudden currency depreciation is nothing new for us.

    As I keep telling you, I would welcome a partial decoupling from China – we are too dependent on you guys, it’s not good for our economy and economic development. I’m not worried about it, from what I can see no-one else here is either. ‘Project Fear’ won’t work on us.

    Greece’s problems arise exactly because they didn’t have a floating currency. They were stuck in the European Union. We’ve managed to avoid that mistake.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @Rdm
  267. @d dan

    Not to mention their tendency to throw ad hominem insults liberally and at every opportunity.

  268. raga10 says:

    Anyone with sense who understands the region knows why the PRC won’t give up the island just like that.

    That is the plain truth, and everything else you say is just filler and going around in circles. Whether they’d like to do that or not, there is absolutely nothing Taiwanese could do to convince China to grant them independence. If USA broke up into 50 independent countries tomorrow and ceased being a threat altogether, would that make China less inclined, or more inclined to retake Taiwan?

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  269. chrimony says:
    @showmethereal

    They were both shelling each other well into the 1970’s. (PRC fishing people were even killed by ROC (Taiwan) forces into the 1980’s.)

    I’m talking about the situation in 2021, and you’re dredging up stuff from the 1970s and 1980s. And despite whatever was said or happened during that period, nothing changes what is true: they have been effectively ruled as independent nations for over 70 years. You can keep on huffing and puffing all you like, nothing changes that.

    That’s not how it works. With no formal treaty you don’t get to keep the island. just like without a court order you don’t get to keep the garage to the house.

    How it works is how people are willing to have it work. That’s what is under discussion. You want to make excuses for Communist China’s continued belligerence and insistence that Taiwan is theirs. But it doesn’t have to be that way. The decision is entirely theirs to make. There are plenty of times in history where conflicts end after a period of no significant change in outcomes, and both sides just agree on the status quo, and let bygones be bygones.

    So was the Monroe Doctrine petty and stupid??

    I said “petty and stupid” in response to a demand for payment for “the national loot taken to the island” from 70 years ago. I asked if that was YOUR petty and stupid demand, or was this something being parroted out of mainland China.

    The Monroe Doctrine is a whole ‘nother ball of wax. There is plenty to critique about US imperial policy, so if that’s your excuse, then you are admitting that China is just another imperialist wannabe now that they have grown strong (ironically, through capitalism and trade with the West).

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  270. raga10 says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    As I keep telling you, I would welcome a partial decoupling from China

    Agreed, the sooner the better! Though I have my doubts whether spineless bastards steering Australia can stand firm on anything…

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  271. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Oh and as to the J-10 – a very strong and credible rumor is that the basis of the J-10 was the fighter that Israel was trying to build. They had been trying to work with China on defense for years but the US always got in the way. There was clandestine collaboration confirmed. One of which is unconfirmed – but when you look at the base – makes sense that the J-10 was one. But obviously China has moved far up the ladder since then. The upgrades to the J-10 have been remarkable.

    Israel may have worked with China on defense projects but the J-10 was definitely NOT a copy of the Lavi which started only in 1980. The evidence below shows that China assisted Israel in designing the Lavi, not the other way around:

    https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/1979-chinas-j-10-wood-model-preceded-israeli-lavi-program.68594/

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  272. Smith says:
    @showmethereal

    I don’t see any of that changes the fact Singapore being a chinese colony.

    This was planned years in advance.

  273. Smith says:
    @Rdm

    I don’t see one single argument there, did you just have a stroke?

  274. Rdm says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    I can argue ad infinitum. It all depends on how you look at it. But since I don’t enjoy going all over the place, I might as well get to the nitty gritty of the stuff.

    It’s not about pro-China or anti-China. It’s not about “Haha” moment. It’s not about scare tactics. It’s all about staying relevant in the global food chain. I’m not surprised Morrison administration partook in anti-China stance. What I found was Australia can stay neutral. There’s nothing to gain from barking from down under on pushing Covid origin, Xinjiang forced labor, … What’s to gain from those? Granted, “security” is paramount than “prosperity”. By towing the Empire’s line, Australia might gain some brownie points that we mere ordinary blokes are not privy to. It all began from Australia’s sticking their nose in Covid origin and trade war ensues.

    Australia staying relatively high in terms of GDP is nothing to do with relevancy in the global food chain because Australia major staples have always been minerals. To put it simply, its food chain has always been at the lower rung. It’s all about the land mass and being an outpost of the Empires (past and the present). We can argue all day long, xxx effects, GDP, exports and imports. At the end of the day, it’s because of being the outpost of the Empires. Conveniently, those Empires were Anglo countries. A high class Knight won’t stoop down on lower class convicts or their descendants from down under. Nonetheless the continent is all that matters. It serves as a convenient conduit for “security” purposes for Anglo dominated economy.

    Granted, Australia can survive on its own terms. But without tagging along with the said Empires, down under will be, well…. down under.

    We can go to economics 101, supply and demand, bla bla bla. At the end of the day, it’s all about relevancy in the global food chain. Here’s one example. It’s up to you to observe and judge because it’s always two sides of a coin.

    Japan used to rely 90% of their rare earth minerals from China 20 years ago. Japan used to be selling high end products and they determined to gobble up global chip supply and OEM, semiconductors industry. After an island dispute, China cut off rare earth export to Japan and hugely favors South Korea and Taiwan. Within 10-20 years, Japan slowly diversified their mineral portfolios from South East Asia, including from Australia. They still import from China but now at 60%. Japan is still trying to bring it down below 50%. During that time, Korea and Taiwan raced to become global semiconductors and chip suppliers. TSMC is, not one of the big, IS the big fab companies in the world. Even the US needs to subsidize TSMC in order to attract the company in American soil.

    Look around you. Many Korean products rather than Japanese like it’s used to be. Within 10 years, Sony mobiles gone out of global consumables and Samsung took up the spot. One will say “But Japan still surivive. As I said, it’s all about staying relevant in the global food chain. Every nation can survive.

    East Asia has many history and its geography is sitting on historical land mine. You’d have Korean comfort women, Japan colonization, island disputes, nuclear waste water, you name it. It’s all there. But they’re working out.

    People will say “Well, we’re still watching Anime.”
    Other will say, China choking up Japan in semiconductor industry and favoring Korea; Korea climb up in global food chain. I don’t need to convince you or force feed you this narrative. Just look around and observe. By the way, is Sony smartphone popular down under? You’d be the judge.

    Coming back to Australia, its geography easily afford the country to be neutral. Is China installing ICBM warheads in Indonesia and Fiji?

    Cut the crap of “We Aussie value democracy bla bla bla.” Simply put, Australia can stay neutral. But Morrison took the gambit in this international politics. So we’d see in 10 years if Aussie will be watching kangaroos fight.

  275. Smith says:

    Finally after many months, I can finally prove showmethereal’s last point wrong.

    Demon Slayer – Kimetsu no Yaiba, the japanese samurai anime, has officially unseated BOTH “Hero” and “Crouching Tiger” in the West’s box office’s first week and will likely continue.

    https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/’demon-slayer’-sets-us-record-for-best-foreign-language-film-opening-weekend

    This indeed proves that even in the demented boomer’s metrics, the US box office, Japan > China in soft power.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  276. @last straw

    TL;DR Not a china fan, never will be.

    Not impressed with “Chinese” tech since the bulk of it was stolen or built by foreigners who one day–when it’s too late–will regret aiding a regime which doesn’t believe in rights for its people or any others.

    There are fundamental flaws in China’s character, starting with communism, which has failed everywhere it’s been tried, to the point communists must proclaim, “Well, that wasn’t real communism.”

    Centrally-planned economies have a bad track record, too.

    I don’t like how chinese treat animals. If insectile people are going to consume dogs and cats–that alone being reason enough to hate them–they could try developing humane ways of killing their “cattle.” And they know it’s wrong because they shut down all their ‘dogstaurants’ when the Olympics came to town in ’08.

    I appreciate Chinese culture (minus pet consumption and having only show trials for “justice”) but the modern chinee system is twisted, probably beyond repair. We sure as hell don’t want it here.

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @last straw
  277. d dan says:
    @Rdm

    “Coming back to Australia, its geography easily afford the country to be neutral. Is China installing ICBM warheads in Indonesia and Fiji?”

    You don’t need ICBM to scare the Australians. When China set up fish processing farms in Papua New Guinea, they are scare. Imagine that:

    “We should be absolutely alarmed not only because it is strategically located close to Australia, but there is potential for conflict in the Torres Strait,” – Jeffrey Wall, Australia advisor and lawyer

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-15/trepidation-as-china-prepares-to-move-into-the-torres-strait/12985504

    Want to fight against Australia? Try something cheaper than missiles, like fish balls and shrimps.

    • LOL: showmethereal
  278. Malla says:
    @d dan

    You are under-estimating our knowledge

    You guys do not understand India. The Chinese deep state does to a large extent (more than Wumao crowd), but Chinese do not understand India well. There is an element of counfusion about India in the minds of the Chinese. Maybe understanding India is not important for the Chinese, that is fine. Indo-China troubles was never a big issue for Chinese as compared to Indians. Chinese do not understand India for the same reasons Indian Nationalists do not understand Nepalese anger towards their government.
    That is because we are all comparatively tribal and try to see other nations via the tinted glasses of our tribalism or nationalism. That is why Anglos understood India much much better even if India is perhaps the most complicated social place on Earth. They could put themselves in the other man’s shoes better and understand things from other perspectives (I say this after reading books written by Viceroys and Imperial Gazetteer of India etc…). We cannot (China misunderstanding India or India misunderstanding Nepal). We are too tribal.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  279. Rdm says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Totally agree with you.

    We should get rid of those chinkies’ culture and practice. It’s disgusting to my stomach.

    We skits culture and theirs are heaven and hell.

    References

    https://www.newsweek.com/not-just-christmas-swiss-urged-stop-eating-cats-and-dogs-287378

    • LOL: Showmethereal
  280. @Z-man

    Putting lipstick on a pig, does not change the fact that it is still a pig.

    Amtrak trains currently can go 150 mph but rarely do because of aging tracks. The actual speed is on average 40-42 mph.

    China high speed trains, also known as bullet or fast trains, can reach a top speed of 350 km/h (217 mph).

    So, Chinese HST are 5.5 times faster than the fastest American Amtrak HST.

    • Agree: antibeast
    • Replies: @antibeast
  281. @IronForge

    TWN can defend TWN. TWN has 100s of SSMs targeting the Three Rivers Gorges Dam.

  282. Smith says:
    @Rdm

    Uh, smartphones? Kids don’t care about smartphones.

    They want their Sony PS5 and Nintendo Switch. They want their anime and they want their manga.

    I myself have used the same smartphone for the last 7 years, and same for many youngsters, smartphone isn’t innovative anymore. Meanwhile, the consoles and the GPU market are ever continuing, with people paying scalper prices for a new item and updating in lesser than 2 or 3 years.

    Korean smartphones markets themselves are being eaten up by the chinese, while the chinese failed to make their own consoles. Let’s hope the chinese can come up with their own GPU.

    Sales analysis confirmed this, even in China where they control Covid, smartphones are in decline:
    https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/03/11/chinese-smartphone-market-seeing-disappointing-decline-in-shipments-analyst-says

    Huawei now makes fucking cars, LOL
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220491.shtml

    It is the video games market, that is still currently led by Europe (Russia included), Japan and unfortunately, America that hold the future.

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @showmethereal
  283. Smith says:
    @showmethereal

    I guess the white boys were going easy, and thus mocked.

    Let the black boys do the job:
    https://www.rt.com/usa/522043-nyc-asian-man-stomped/

    White boys and asian boys play too much gun shooting video games, watch too much kung fu movies, not enough head stomping.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  284. Rdm says:
    @Smith

    Sure

    Samsung 220 billions total revenue (20 B net revenue)
    Nintendo 12 B (2 B net)
    Sony 76 B (5 B net) 15% drop over 10 years, let alone yearly inflation)

    talking about how Korea emerges into chips and fabs and dominate smartphones. Not your 7 year old wet dream.

    This is, out of respect, my reply to educate you on something. You learn something today. And would be my last reply.

  285. Smith says:

    @ Rdm

    Oh I just tell you what kids want, and it’s not smartphone, but new consoles and GPU.

    It’s fine for your history lesson, but the world moves on, it’s not the 10s anymore where smartphones are desirable.

    Samsung’s revenues, while looking impressive, continue to decrease:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/236607/global-revenue-of-samsung-electronics-since-2005/

    Nintendo’s revenues while being smaller, continue to increase.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/236607/global-revenue-of-samsung-electronics-since-2005/

    Samsung will be eaten by the chinese, but so far nothing can replace Sony or Nintendo on consoles.

  286. antibeast says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    The Amtrak ‘Acela Express’ bought the new ‘Avelia Liberty’ tilting trains from the French company Alstom in 2016. Those tilting trains can operate up to the service speed of 260km/h which is the maximum speed allowed along the US Northeast corridor, much of which are old commuter tracks with round bends, thus the need for the trains to ’tilt’ when running along those curved tracks. That’s also the reason why the Europeans invented the tilting train technology because their high-speed trains run on both dedicated high-speed rail lines and regular commuter lines with curved tracks. The theory is that the high-speed train would slow down and tilt itself to prevent derailment along the curved tracks.

    China never adopted this ’tilting train’ technology from the Europeans, preferring to build dedicated high-speed rail lines due to the speed limitations of the regular commuter lines. That’s the reason why China was able to redesign their high-speed trains to achieve the fastest operating speeds on record while running on dedicated high-speed rail lines purpose-built for high-speed trains. The result is the Chinese-designed ‘Fuxing Hao‘ (复兴号) series of high-speed trains with a maximum rated speed of 400km/h while operating at its service speed of 350km/h, which is the record for the fastest operating high-speed trains in the world.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Rufus Arrr
  287. Malla says:
    @anon

    LOL, a Hindutva Government will stop Kumb Mela? Are you freakin mad?
    While the Hindutva Indian Government green lights the Hindu Kumb Mela pilgrimage, a Muslim pilgrimage last year received a different reaction. Last year, Muslim pilgrims of the Tablighi Jamaat were held responsible for spreading the COVID disease. Anti-Muslim sentiments spread all along the whole nation with Hindus and Jains screeching and screaming about “dirty Muslim savages” as well as “dirty diseased foreigners” purposely spreading disease (Covid Jihaad) against victim India, because many of them Muslim pilgrims were foreigners from other Islamic countries.

    On 2 April 2020, the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs unilaterally blacklisted 950 foreign nationals for their alleged involvement in the “Tablighi event”. In March 2020, adherents of the sect from about 70 countries attended a Jamaat congregation at its Markaz in Delhi’s Nizamuddin area. The event took place weeks before the promulgation of COVID-19 guidelines prohibiting social and religious gatherings. The Indian Central government also issued a direction to Delhi’s Director General (Police) to register criminal cases against such foreign nationals under the Indian Penal Code, the Foreigners Act and the Disaster Management Act. The police departments in other states were also directed to take similar actions against foreign nationals related to the Tablighi Jamaat event.

    However a total of 1,086 people related to Jamaat have been exonerated by Indian courts across the country. While acquitting the Tablighis, Indian courts have criticised the police’s punitive actions by using terms such as “malicious prosecution”, “abuse of process”, “virtual prosecution”, and “made scapegoats by a political government.”

    Tale of Two Indias – Where Hindu Kumbh Pilgrimage is Allowed, Islamic Jamaat Pilgrimage Event was Maligned
    While the Tablighis were criminalised, Kumbh Mela devotees are being celebrated. Anyways, the Indian government has issued several directives to control the spread of COVID: Thermal screening checkpoints have been set up, and efforts are being made to sanitize all restrooms and sleeping quarters. Strict protocols for participation in the Kumbh have been issued, including a limited time period of half an hour for each akhara (body of sages) to bathe. Furthermore, the government has stated that after April 1 all visitors to the Kumbh have to produce evidence of a recent negative COVID-19 test. However, even before the Kumbh began, the city and neighboring areas had already emerged as COVID-19 hot spots. As the festival began, seven living Hindu saints in the city of Haridwar tested positive, and 300 pilgrims were found positive during the first few days of the festival. And the Indian Government has arranged 25 special trains to take pilgrims to this super spreader event while a year back when millions of poor workers were going back home during the lockdown they had to walk for miles with many falling dead on the way. India is becoming a Hindutva theocratic state. And the Kumb Mela has been a disease spreader for centuries. The British Raj mentioned the Kumbh Mela in an 1868 report that stated the need for increased and tighter sanitation controls at the “Coomb fair” to be held in January 1870. Recognizing the threat of rapid spread of contagion among the crowds, as well as to avoid stampedes, the British Raj Govt of India attempted to sanitize and control the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims at the Kumbh. The Government made improvements in sanitation facilities of the event. The British Raj Govt of India took over the logistics and rules for the Kumbh Mela, particularly for pilgrims’ movement at the site & allowed and instituted an order for the ascetics of 14 akharas (hindu sage organisations who often fight with each other with swords) to bathe on the three auspicious bathing days of the mela. At the time legal agreements over the bathing order ensured an end to the violence between the akharas.In 1870 the Pioneer newspaper, in the northern city of Allahabad, said that the control of crowding was seen as a “well-directed activity towards averting, or at any rate mitigating, the ravages of disease” among pilgrims.
    Between 1892 and 1908, when major famines, cholera and plague epidemics struck in British India, the British Raj Government of India controlled entry to the Kumbh, due to hygiene concerns. Pilgrims dropped to a low of around 300,000 as reported by the Imperial Gazetteer.

  288. @raga10

    Though I have my doubts whether spineless bastards steering Australia can stand firm on anything…

    Me too mate.

  289. @Rdm

    I can argue ad infinitum. It all depends on how you look at it. But since I don’t enjoy going all over the place, I might as well get to the nitty gritty of the stuff.

    It’s not about pro-China or anti-China. It’s not about “Haha” moment. It’s not about scare tactics. It’s all about staying relevant in the global food chain.

    The discussion started with the effect of reduced demand from China for iron ore on our national finances. Have a look above.

    But assuming you are correct: my whole argument has been that reduced dependence on iron ore for income could make us more relevant, by allowing us to diversify our industrial base. So I still don’t see any problem with reduced Chinese demand for our iron ore. Of course we would like the Chinese to buy as much as we could dig up, but if they find another seller, c’est la vie.

    I’m not surprised Morrison administration partook in anti-China stance. What I found was Australia can stay neutral. There’s nothing to gain from barking from down under on pushing Covid origin, Xinjiang forced labor, … What’s to gain from those? Granted, “security” is paramount than “prosperity”. By towing the Empire’s line, Australia might gain some brownie points that we mere ordinary blokes are not privy to. It all began from Australia’s sticking their nose in Covid origin and trade war ensues.

    OK, so you’re claiming that there is a ‘trade war’ between China and Australia, as a result of China blocking our exports, itself a result of our taking an ‘anti China stance’.

    It’s clear that the Chinese government is upset with the Australian government. But I can’t see why asking for an inquiry into the origins of Covid could be anti-Chinese. This is a virus which is killing thousands, and which has severely affected the global economy: surely we need to have some investigation into its origins? The Chinese government has conducted an investigation into the virus’ origins, yes? Does that make the Chinese government anti-China too? Note that you’re putting yourself at odds with your own government – the Chinese government voted in favour of the proposal for an investigation at the UN! Again – does that make the Chinese government ‘anti-China’?

    My own opinion is that the Australian government should show much more tact in its relations with China. It’s always best to avoid giving offence, or to be perceived as taking sides. That’s just basic diplomacy. But it still puzzles us that you would think an investigation into a devastating virus could be ‘anti-China’.

    Coming back to Australia, its geography easily afford the country to be neutral. Is China installing ICBM warheads in Indonesia and Fiji?

    Again, we haven’t taken a stance against China. All the government has done was ask for an investigation into the origins of a devastating virus.

    Cut the crap of “We Aussie value democracy bla bla bla.” Simply put, Australia can stay neutral. But Morrison took the gambit in this international politics. So we’d see in 10 years if Aussie will be watching kangaroos fight.

    Why do you always feel the need to be offensive and threatening? Why not just, like, stick to the issues?

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @Rdm
    , @Rdm
    , @denk
  290. @raga10

    Again you cannot get it through your school. Until VERY RECENTLY both sides spoke of “peaceful reunification”. In 2016 both leaders met for the first time since the 1940’s in Singapore. That was further continuation of the majority of the past 40 years. Then the DPP got into power and upended everything – which they first started doing around 2000 – which is the first anyone spoke about anything other than unification. So this idea of 70 years of being separate nations is not real. The goal for both sides was to see whose system would prevail. Now it is clear the PRC is far beyond the ability for the ROC to prevail. You can pretend their werent covert psyops to turn peoplez opinions against the mainland after the historic 2016 meeting. It was like a separated married couple beginning to get counseling. Then it was completely upended. Stop pretending that was an accident. The US does not want a unified China. Taiwan and the mainland together would control the semiconductor market. The global economy would basically be in China’s hands. And so yes take the US out of the equation and Taiwan would have accepted 1 Country 2 Systems long ago with no bloodshed.

    What country do you live in??? I am sure I can find a faction who wants to break off… So should we have 1000 countries in the UN?? Be realistic.

    • Replies: @raga10
  291. @chrimony

    You cant talk about 2021 u less you talk about what led up to this. That is how life and the world work. Whether in a family or in a court. Only ignorant people think otherwise and that is a fact of life. Any good parent would teach their child that too.

    Now I know you are a troll. Claiming the Monroe Doctrine means nothing? The US has invaded or caused coups in every nation in the Americas from the Caribbean and Central all the way down to Chile and Argentina. China doesnt do that. It simply wants what is China and to prevent foreign interference. It is a FACT China has willingly shrunk its land mass – giving millions of square kilometers to its neighbors since the 1940’s. In fact the government in Taiwan used to use that as evidence to say Beijing was illegitimate because it gave away Chinese territory. You have no clue about the issue.

    And actually it is you who is huffing and puffing… But I dont think you ant to attemtp to blow on China’s house. Didnt you elders ever teach you not to get involved in others family disputes. Since you dont want to learn from history either maybe there is no hope for you. I am trying to educate you so you dont vote for politicians that make more dumb choices and end up in a hornets nest.

  292. chrimony says:

    You cant talk about 2021 u less you talk about what led up to this.

    Which I did. Seventy years of being effectively ruled as independent nations. Nothing you dredged up changed that. But you think dredging up stuff from the 1970s or 1980s excuses current day China’s belligerence.

    Now I know you are a troll. Claiming the Monroe Doctrine means nothing?

    Now I know you are a troll, because I said no such thing. Or maybe you are just too stupid to read and comprehend.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @showmethereal
  293. Rdm says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    I think you and I can discuss and exchange our views cordially. Apology to my prior foul language. 

    CCP is not my government. I’m not advocating China’s stance on every international relationship. I offer my observations here and there occasionally if I have time. Most of the time, it’s all misinformation spread by MSMs and I’m seeing humanity getting dumber and dumber. The accusation that most of the commenters bring up seems to be overtly biased. It’s all stealing technology, human rights, eating dogs and cats shit without looking self. It’s just mind blowing clusterfuck that I oftentimes took a jab in my response. 

    I’m not getting paid $.50 cent. I tried to bargain with CCP if they could at least pay 50 cents. Since our bargain is still ongoing, I tried to minimize my response. 

    ————-

    I agree that Australia could take a more tactful stance with China. There’s nothing wrong with asking to investigate covid origin by any nations as long as they are diplomatic. But there’s something wrong in this picture. 

    Covid outbreaks occurred in Wuhan, China (patient zero) around November-December 2019. China immediately locked down the entire city. That was way back in late 2019 and early 2020. China alerted the infection to WHO back in 2019. China immediately characterized the entire coronavirus genome and let the world know. Guess what? Even the then President Trump, while always toying with trade war, commended China’s effort in fighting against this locust. 

    That’s all fine and dandy until the infections spread to the West. All the accusations, anti-Asian slurs, open investigations ensue. 

    What was Scott Morrison doing back in 2019 and early 2020? If his concern is genuine, why not initiate the investigation way back then? 

    The Empire (Trump) said “Good on you China.” and Morrison kept silent. It’s because the infection HAS NOT spread to the West yet. 

    Around March 2020, all hell broke loose because the infection hit Italy heavily. I’m not gonna spend whether the virus was planted by the US athletes back in 2019 or originated from Wuhan lab or whatever. That’s not our main discussion here.

    The Tone changed from the Empire and Morrison followed suit. See the pattern? 

    ———

    Morrison demanded a thorough investigation of covid origin in April 2020.
    Morrison again demanded another proper investigation of covid origin in September 2020.

    But Morrison was quiet all the way from 2019 to March 2020 until the Empire said, “Go!”

    Now giving the benefit of the doubt to Morrison as we humankind has inertia in every policy, well why not raise a concern to Japan plan to damp tons of nuclear waste water into Pacific Ocean in 2 years? It’s gonna happen and it’s already announced in last 2 weeks.

    It’s right there. 1st chain island, 2nd chain island and then Guam. The previous nuclear trace were also found in California wine. That was unintentional and accidental disaster. But this time, it’s gonna be planned damp into the ocean over 2 years for tons of nuclear waste.

    https://www.livescience.com/63131-fukushima-radiation-in-california-wine.html

    The Empire said “Thanks Japan for transparency”. So Morrison kept quiet.

    ———

    This is WHO timeline when China alerted WHO. 

    Dec 31 2019: WHO already knew the infection in Wuhan.
    Jan 3 2020: China already alerted the localized epidemic to WHO.
    Jan 11 2020: WHO said it received the DNA sequence from China.

    https://www.who.int/news/item/29-06-2020-covidtimeline

    I’m linking the chronology in other threads. 

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Smith
    , @Stebbing Heuer
  294. Rdm says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    All the flurry of the international compliments in chronological orders:

    1. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, on January 6th: “This much information this early into an outbreak is a very positive thing, I feel confident at this point that the appropriate public health measures are being taken to both investigate the outbreak and to contain it as much as possible.” https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cause-of-wuhans-mysterious-pneumonia-cases-still-unknown-chinese-officials-say/

    2. Dr. Gauden Galea, Director of the Division of Noncommunicable Diseases and Life-course, on January 9th: “Preliminary identification of a novel virus in a short period of time is a notable achievement and demonstrates China’s increased capacity to manage new outbreaks” https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

    3. Matthew Frieman, coronavirus expert at the University of Maryland School of Medicine on January 9th: I am stunned by the timeline and speed of this isolation and characterization” https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/new-coronavirus-identified-in-central-china-pneumonia-outbreak-66945

    4. Foreign Policy Magazine, on January 14th, “China’s rapid recognition of this outbreak is particularly remarkable given that it is winter, when influenza and other infections cause many respiratory illnesses that make it difficult to tell whether any particular case of illness is the responsibility of a new respiratory disease.” https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/14/china-response-wuhan-pneumonia-better-sars/

    5. Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations on January 17th: the decision by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the Chinese Academy of Science and the Chinese Academy of Medical Science to share the genome sequence of the new virus with the world is a model for how scientists and government agencies must collaborate to tackle future disease threats. https://cepi.net/news_cepi/newly-discovered-coronavirus-in-wuhan-china/

    6. Daniel R. Lucey, spokesperson for the Infectious Diseases Society of America on January 20th: “China shared the genetic sequence of this nCoV (CP-3), which was discovered in record time on Jan. 7, by Jan. 12. “This rapid discovery and action to share the genome of the virus should become the “new normal” for future epidemics.” https://www.healio.com/infectious-disease/emerging-diseases/news/online/%7Bc7eb68ca-fe1b-49b2-b967-355255e76a3e%7D/who-calls-emergency-meeting-over-chinese-coronavirus-outbreak

    7. Yale Medical School, on January 23rd: “Two weeks ago, we didn’t even know what the nCOV2019 virus was. Today, thanks to China’s quick public release of the initial nCOV2019 virus genome, there are now 18 genomes connected to nCOV2019 that are being shared and studied by scientists around the world. By rapidly sharing this data, scientists were able to quickly identify nCOV2019 as a novel coronavirus related to those previously found in bats.” https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/22389/

    8. German Health Minister on January 24th: “There’s a big difference to SARS. We have a much more transparent China, The action of China is much more effective in the first days already.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-24/china-doing-good-job-in-combating-virus-german-minister-says

    9. Leading United States Senators on January 24th: “the Chinese government has taken steps to share information with international health experts, and we encourage their cooperation and transparency as this situation unfolds.” https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/chinese-govt-sharing-coronavirus-information-us-of/

    10. President Trump himself, on January 27th: “We appreciate China’s efforts and transparency on coronavirus.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-trump/trump-u-s-appreciates-chinas-efforts-and-transparency-on-coronavirus-idUSKBN1ZN2IK

    11. Jared Kusher on January 28th: “China is being very transparent about coronavirus.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-01-28/china-is-being-very-transparent-about-coronavirus-says-kushner-video

    12. Executive Director of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Programme Michael J. Ryan on January 29th: “Before we start pointing the finger at China, we need to recognize there are genuine sensitivities around sharing data around new diseases, and I believe, in this case, the countries that have been affected,**including China, have been remarkably transparent in this regard” https://www.newsweek.com/who-praises-china-country-that-deserves-gratitude-respect-some-question-coronavirus-1484716

    13. HHC Secretary Alex Azar on January 29th: “HHS Secretary Alex Azar praised China Tuesday for sharing the genetic sequencing of the coronavirus, enabling the CDC to quickly invent a diagnostic test and the NIH to rapidly advance a potential vaccine.” https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/officials-praise-china-transparency-virus-108926

    14. Gerald Parker, associate dean for Global One Health at Texas A&M and former top career official in HHS’s Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response on January 29th: “Many government officials and other experts or policy folks actually have been pretty cautious about trying to impugn China for lack of transparency. In fact, we have been all, including me, very positive about the difference between today and what happened during SARS” https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/officials-praise-china-transparency-virus-10892615.

    25 national and international experts from China, Germany, Japan, Korea, Nigeria, Russia, Singapore, the United States of America and the World Health Organization, on February 24th: “In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history. The strategy that underpinned this containment effort was initially a national approach that promoted universal temperature monitoring, masking, and hand washing. However, as the outbreak evolved, and knowledge was gained, a science and risk-based approach was taken to tailor implementation. Specific containment measures were adjusted to the provincial, county and even community context, the capacity of the setting, and the nature of novel Coronavirus transmission there.” https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

    • Thanks: antibeast
  295. Rdm says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Now if you must, still in anti-China camp and really enjoy so much anti-China, it’s about against anything China, you viscerally hate those chinks, no amount of logics is required, you could say

    “Well, China still faked covid deaths in Wuhan. That’s why the entire world was asleep and thought it’s gonna be fleeting. China should have warned the entire world as serious.

    If that’s the case, I gave up our discussion. There’s no hope in continuing because no amount of evidence, logics will convince one who already made up their minds that it’s all China’s fault. 

    ——-

    But giving you some benefit of the doubt and after showing you all those historical patterns, don’t you think at least, I meant at least China would be stung by Australia stance on this? It’s not only covid, snowballing from Huawei 5G and now BRI. Anyway, I don’t have time to go over those issues. At least that’s what I could offer my observation here.

  296. @Rdm

    Pretty much sums up how it goes

  297. @Malla

    Speaking of not understanding India – and by extension Pakistan… Help me understand the psychology of Kashmir. I know the ROC and PRC divide… But i dont understand the Kashmir issues internally on either side. Unlike the jokers on here saying the PRC is being a bully over Taiwan – it makes perfect sense to me why neither side would allow an independent Kashmir. My question is why both sides just dont agree to keep the portion of Kashmir that they have and agree to allow people on either side of the border choose which side they want to be on? Wouldnt that save the issue of dealing with insurgency on either side of the border?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  298. denk says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    It’s clear that the Chinese government is upset with the Australian government. But I can’t see why asking for an inquiry into the origins of Covid could be anti-Chinese.

    Oz slander China over covid, Xinjiang, HK, cyber attacks, invoke FUKUS style long arm jurisdiction on China’s internal affairs, shut out Hua Wei and
    many other Chinese companies with spurious ‘security concern’

    The gory details….

    1. Foreign investment decisions, with acquisitions blocked on opaque national security grounds in contravention of ChAFTA. Since 2018, more than 10 Chinese investment projects have been rejected by Australia citing ambiguous and unfounded “national security concerns” and restricting areas like infrastructure, agriculture and animal husbandry.

    2. Banning Huawei Technologies and ZTE from the 5G network, over unfounded national security concerns, doing the bidding of the US by lobbying other countries, foreign interference legislation viewed as targeting China and in the absence of evidence.

    3. Politicization and stigmatization of the normal exchanges and cooperation between China and Australia and creating barriers and imposing restrictions, including the revocation of visas for Chinese scholars.

    4. Calling for an international independent inquiry into the COV1D-19 virus, as a political manipulation echoing the US attack on China.

    5. Spearheading the crusade against China in multilateral forums.

    6. Spreading disinformation imported from the US around China’s efforts of containing COV1D-19.

    7. Legislating scrutiny of agreements with a foreign government targeting China and aiming to torpedo Victoria’s participation in B&R.

    8. Providing funding to anti-China think tanks for spreading untrue reports, peddling lies around Xinjiang and so-called China infiltration aimed at manipulating public opinion against China.

    9. Early dawn search and reckless seizure of Chinese journalists’ homes and properties without charges or explanations

    10. Thinly veiled allegations against China of cyber attacks without any evidence

    11. Outrageous condemnation of the governing party of China by NGOs

    12. Racist attacks against Chinese and Asian people.

    13. Unfriendly and antagonistic reports on China by media that poison the atmosphere of bilateral relations. The first non littoral country to make a statement on the South China Sea to the United Nations, siding with the US’ anti-China campaign.

    14. Incessant wanton interference in China’s Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and Taiwan affair.

    You havent been paying attention, or The above have been censored out of the MSM ?

  299. d dan says:
    @Rdm

    “I’m not getting paid $.50 cent. I tried to bargain with CCP if they could at least pay 50 cents. Since our bargain is still ongoing, I tried to minimize my response. “

    Patient and yet with sense of humor. Great job. Classy Rdm as usual.

  300. @Sick of Orcs

    Millions of pets are abandoned without mercy in the US every year. If they are “lucky”, they are euthanized instead of being abused to death. You think it’s much better than China?

    Who cares about your opinion about China? You obviously have already made up your mind and no amount of evidence will make you recognize your nonsense.

    Just remember that China has already developed into one of the most powerful nation in the world and it will only get stronger in the future. The US is doing its best to contain China. They will fail.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  301. Malla says:
    @Showmethereal

    Speaking of not understanding India – and by extension Pakistan

    India and Pakistan are similar in many ways but different in many ways. Like the Hindutva phenomenon in India (Pakistan has her Islamic fundamentalist forces too). But South Asia has it own unique problems.

    My question is why both sides just dont agree to keep the portion of Kashmir that they have and agree to allow people on either side of the border choose which side they want to be on?

    Yes that is true, it is stubbornness from both sides. The enmity in between India and Pakistan are really far deeper.

    See 30% of British India were Princely States where the Government of India (British Raj) did not have much control. There was a British Resident and the Kings (Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist) swore fealty to the Emperor/Empress of India (British Kings and Queens served as Indian Emperors/ Empresses). These were kingdoms who signed some treaty with the British East India Company for protection or something of the sort. Some were tiny, containing few villages, some of these kingdoms were huge like Osmania or Hyderabad state in South India ruled by the Nizam (the last Nizam married the daughter of the Ottoman Emperor). The British Raj had very little control in the interior affairs of these kingdoms, they could tax as they pleased, they had their own currencies, their own railways sometimes, they were semi independent. The only condition was there were restrictions on hiring non-British European (or American or Japanese) employees or advisors in these kingdoms, this would need Central British Raj Government approval and background checks. This was because the old fears of the British that some other European power like France or Netherlands or Russia would try to take India from them. The rest of India was directly controlled by the Government of India/ British Raj (first from Calcutta and later from New Delhi).
    When Independence came, what was to happen to the princely states? They were after all semi independent nations and they had no fealty to the Government of India (British Raj) at New Delhi but to the Imperial family. So when devolution of power happened at independence, the British Raj ceased to exist and their rights were inherited by the new Government of Independent India and Independent Pakistan (both of them were still monarchies and still had head of state as the British Royal family). India became a republic three years later in 1950.
    But the Princely States were legally not part of this process, the British gave them an option, either join India, join Pakistan or remain independent, choice is yours. Very fair. And many of them voluntarily joined either India or Pakistan. But not all. Both India and Pakistan used bullying tactics to force reluctant princely states into their nations which went against what the earlier British Raj Government of India had promised, a promise which was inherited by the new States of India and Pakistan except that both these new states would not keep this promise and used force.
    Three princely states stuck out. One was Osmania/ Hyderabad where a Muslim ruler with a Hindu majority population chose to join Pakistan. Not very practical as even though it was huge territory, it was cut off from the sea and far away from both West and East Pakistan by land, it was surrounded by all sides by India. India would have none of that, and it invaded with its inherited army and barged in and conquered the Kingdom of the Nizam of Hyderabad. It is believed 25000 people were massacred by Indian forces. Exactly the same thing happened with a smaller kingdom in Western India, a Muslim ruler, Hindu population, Muslim Ruler wanna join Pakistan, Hindu population wanna join India, Indian Army goes in and forcefully absorbs it into India. Kashmir was the exact opposite case. It was situated in between India and Pakistan, it had a Hindu King of a Muslim majority (complicated, region wise has Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists etc..) population. And it chose to join India and now Pakistan said, well India can force Hindu majority kingdoms with Muslim kings into India, in this case where a Hindu King of a Muslim majority kingdom wanna join India, Pakistan can take it as the majority Muslim population wanted Pakistan. So Pakistan invaded Kashmir, India sent forces in too and there was a stalemate. Nehru took the issue to the UN (against the wishes of other leaders) and he is considered a traitor by Indians for doing so, internationalizing the issue.
    The UN wanted a plebiscite but for that both forces were to take their military forces back. but both sides do not trust each other to do that. India claims that since the Maharaja of Kashmir signed the unification treaty with India, all of Kashmir legally belongs to India including Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK) through which CPEC goes through. Indian Kashmir had an autonomy within India until very recently when he present BJP Government (it was their long term goal) finished off the autonomy and made it a full force Union Territory of the Indian Union. It also broke apart Kashmir from Ladakh (which became a separate Indian Union Territory) which the Ladakhis wanted as they are Buddhist Tibetans who wanted nothing to do with this Muslim-Hindu shitshow. Pakistan wants a third party in Kashmir talks as mediator, India will not accept any other third party, to keep it bilateral and out of fear of India, no country dares come as a third party in between both the countries. Also India claims that Pakistan has changed the demographics of its Kashmir (brought in people from outside Kashmir and settled them) so a plebiscite would give a false unacceptable outcome and that this Pakistani State sponsored migration should be reversed first. This is denied by Pakistan. There is also the issue of Kashmiri Hindu Pundits (Brahmins) who have been kicked out by Muslim majority Kashmiris as they were considered stooges of Indian State. They live in rest of India as refugees.
    India wants the whole of Kashmir and so does Pakistan. Both sides will not give up their claim. Indeed India said that it will not negotiate or talk with Pakistan about Indian Kashmir anymore, it is only the part of Kashmir in Pakistani hands (POK) which are open for negotiation only. CPEC passes through Pakistani Kashmir and thus India considers CPEC illegal because according to India that part rightfully belongs to India and China should have asked India’s permission for building its infrastructure on Indian soil according to the Government of India. All our maps in our schools and in media, books etc.. show Pakistani Kashmir as part of India. When international news agencies show Pakistani Kashmir as part of Pakistan, Indian nationalists storm in and demand that the map be corrected and all of Kashmir be shown as part of India.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  302. antibeast says:
    @chrimony

    Which I did. Seventy years of being effectively ruled as independent nations. Nothing you dredged up changed that. But you think dredging up stuff from the 1970s or 1980s excuses current day China’s belligerence.

    Just to correct your incorrect premise which is causing all this confusion in your mind: the ROC in Taiwan is not and has never been an ‘independent nation’ by law or in fact because of the legal and political status of the ROC as the government of Taiwan which is part of China. Nobody on this planet recognize the ROC in Taiwan as an ‘independent nation’ including the USA, UN, EU, etc. which treat Taiwan as a territory of China with the ability to participate autonomously in the global economy. The few countries left recognizing the ROC in Taiwan all view it as part of China as well. That being the case, almost ALL nations in the world recognize the PRC as the legitimate government of China which includes Taiwan. You are oblivious to this historical reality of the ROC as a rebel government called the ‘Republic of China’ which moved from the mainland to Taiwan after 1949.

    The native Taiwanese are mostly Han Chinese who speak Mandarin Chinese as well as the Min-nan dialect of Fujian Province from whence they came some 300-400 years ago. The rest are the Han Chinese who fled the mainland to Taiwan after the KMT lost to the CCP in 1949. The indigenous Taiwanese comprise only 2% of the population who reside mostly in the mountainous regions of Taiwan. The Taiwanese are racially/ethnically, linguistically/culturally, socially/culturally and legally/politically CHINESE. No war needs to take place between the PRC and the ROC as both sides on the Taiwan Straits are CHINESE who want to unify Taiwan with China.

    • Replies: @Smith
  303. chrimony says:

    Just to correct your incorrect premise which is causing all this confusion in your mind: the ROC in Taiwan is not and has never been an ‘independent nation’ by law or in fact because of the legal and political status of the ROC as the government of Taiwan which is part of China.

    The strawmen continue. You’re talking about legal status and other paper niceties, while I’m talking about effective, de facto reality. Seventy years of being effectively ruled as independent nations.

    The Taiwanese are racially/ethnically, linguistically/culturally, socially/culturally and legally/politically CHINESE.

    Nobody here has said otherwise about their ethnicity. So fucking what? Did that stop the US from breaking away from England? Another strawman.

    No war needs to take place between the PRC and the ROC as both sides on the Taiwan Straits are CHINESE who want to unify Taiwan with China.

    If they really wanted to unify it would have already happened. And Taiwan wouldn’t be buying billions of dollars in weapons to defend against Communist China aggression.

    • Replies: @d dan
  304. raga10 says:
    @Showmethereal

    Again you’re going on about this and that, but nothing you said here contradicts my simple statement: there is absolutely nothing Taiwanese could do to convince China to grant them independence.

    I’m not arguing about whether Taiwanese even want independence, how many of them want it, or who sunk whose fishing boat in 1966. (not a real example). I just repeat what I said in my first post on the subject of Taiwan: China is not interested in letting Taiwan go under any circumstances and that simple fact renders debating all other aspects of the situation nothing more than diversionary tactic.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  305. @Rdm

    red china’s learning from shlomo how to play the victim? Nice.

    Since the world falsely blames Whites for “inventing” slavery when slavery was practiced by every race and nation for thousands of years, red china can learn to face the actual horrors of its own history.

  306. d dan says:
    @chrimony

    “I’m talking about effective, de facto reality. Seventy years of being effectively ruled as independent nations.”

    The more accurate word is closer to “autonomous” rather than “independent nation”. Taiwan has total power over its domestic affairs, slightly more power but very close to Hong Kong. However, it has little or no power in international diplomacy, signing treaties, or joining, voting, participating in UN or other international organizations, conducting joint military exercises, … etc.

    Furthermore, most of the powers Taiwan current possesses are powers that PRC don’t mind, and would have given to Taiwan anyway, even if it is unified with mainland.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  307. @last straw

    Millions of pets are abandoned without mercy in the US every year. If they are “lucky”, they are euthanized instead of being abused to death. You think it’s much better than China?

    It’s true, animals are mistreated the world over. The focus here concerns well-documented consumption of doggos by Chinese. If there’s nothing wrong with it, then there would’ve been no need to hide it from the world.

    It might only be the past two or three generations, but there’s Sum Ting Wong with a government murdering 50 million of its own citizens.

    Who cares about your opinion about China? You obviously have already made up your mind and no amount of evidence will make you recognize your nonsense.

    One might say the same about your opinion.

    Just remember that China has already developed into one of the most powerful nation in the world and it will only get stronger in the future. The US is doing its best to contain China. They will fail.

    Where we disagree is the type of impact red china will ultimately have on the world. I believe it will be more negative than positive.

    • Replies: @last straw
  308. @antibeast

    Great info. This is very interesting technology. It would be wonderful if it could be implemented in the United States and modernize the ratty-old 1950’s technology.

    I would really like to see the world of trains overtake the current emphasis on air travel to a more compatible and shared co-existence. One where both systems are kept modern, and co-exist with each other. Each has benefits. Combined, you can improve costs, reduce congestion, and just make the world a better place in general.

    Here in China, there’s a balance of options for travel. The price for HST is substantially cheaper than air travel, and it’s much more comfortable, but it takes a little longer. And you, as a consumer, can choose.

    Consider Zhuhai to Wenzhou. It’s roughly the distance from New York City to Chicago.

    Air – is 1000 RMB ($154)
    HST Rail – 75 RMB ($11.5)
    Rail – 40 RMB ($6)

    The Chinese government believes that main, functional and primary services of the government should not fall in the “for profit” model. That no one should make any profit off the citizenry. Thus you have low prices for food, transportation, housing, and medical care. And along with that are enormous amounts of money towards the development of supporting technologies to that end.

    I like (or maybe want) to believe that the world is evolving in that direction. There are some absolutely stunning technologies being developed in Europe, and America. I just cannot wait for them to be implemented in the West. With President Bidens’ investment of trillions of dollars in infrastructure, this can be realized. I want to believe.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @antibeast
  309. Smith says:

    Meanwhile, in China.

    Yep, Japan’s soft power is so strong chinese are now acting like japanese. This is giving me 00s Japan vibes.

    You don’t fuck with “gamers”. “GAMERS”.

  310. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    Wait, can’t believe I never address this, native taiwanese are Han?

    Is native american white? How about native australian? Are they white too?

    What’s with the difference between native and indigenous? Both of these words are synonyms.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  311. chrimony says:
    @d dan

    The more accurate word is closer to “autonomous” rather than “independent nation”.

    More parsing of paper niceties than what’s actually occurring on the ground.

    Taiwan has total power over its domestic affairs, slightly more power but very close to Hong Kong.

    Hahahahahaa, Hahahahahahahaha. Are you fucking kidding me? Hong Kong is under the thumb of mainland China, who has been tightening their grip in steady fashion. When push comes to shove, it’s mainland China that decides. They are in military control. They may let them operate autonomously as they please, but ultimate power resides in mainland China.

    However, it has little or no power in international diplomacy, signing treaties, or joining, voting, participating in UN or other international organizations, conducting joint military exercises, … etc.

    Taiwan is part of the WTO under a special label (a fig leaf to appease China). Taiwan also maintains treaties with other countries. They have bought billions of dollars in military supplies from the US. Despite unofficial recognition to appease China, they are effectively an independent nation, and have been for over 70 years.

    • Replies: @d dan
  312. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    It would be wonderful if it could be implemented in the United States and modernize the ratty-old 1950’s technology.

    It could, but won’t be by Chinese firms.

    Fearing ‘Spy Trains,’ Congress May Ban a Chinese Maker of subway cars
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/business/chinese-train-national-security.html

    Chinese rail car manufacturer considered ‘genius’ by MTA to be banned by Congress
    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-mta-crrc-congress-ban-china-20191211-un6edwwe55eghlmv7kvdf24oie-story.html

    President Trump signed the legislation into law just before Christmas.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/metros-next-generation-rail-cars-will-not-be-made-in-china/2020/01/25/1d848c7e-3e06-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html

    The subway cars are assembled in Springfield, Mass, and Chicago. The Chinese will have to shutter these facilities in a few years without future contracts. If Chinese subway cars are deemed a national security threat to the US, then high-speed Chinese trains definitely won’t in the US anytime soon. By the way, no U.S. company makes subway cars.

    • Replies: @Rufus Arrr
  313. @antibeast

    Thanks.. I will have to look further into it. Well we know for sure that Israel and China were working with each other before they had official relations – much to the chagrin of the US.

  314. @Smith

    LOLOL. I don’t know which is more funny – this comment about a Japanese film 17 years later breaking a Chinese films record – or the idea that you claim Singapore was planned as colonization by Chinese.

    It’s good Japanese anime is doing good. But it is silly to compare the gross of a film in 2021 to 2004. Pricing and available screens is not even close. But good try.

    As to Singapore… So are you saying that the Chinese government purposely made Malays discriminate against Chinese people to force them to have their own tiny – and at the time very poor state???

    • Replies: @Smith
  315. Smith says:
    @Rdm

    Yo, about the bargaining issue, I advise that you get better materials and ease on the blood pressure.

    Maybe the chinese government doesn’t pay you for your work because you act angry so suddenly and lose the audience, not effective PR, not good work, or so they say.

    Work on your wordings and attitude, I’m sure they will pay you.

  316. @chrimony

    “Seventy years of being effectively ruled as independent nations.”

    A married couple who was separated is still legally married. Both sides considered themselves to be “married” in that they claimed to be the rightful ruler of all Chinese territory. That was the case throughout the entire second half of the 20th century – whether you like it or not. And whether you like it or not the UN and majority of the world recognize Taiwan as Chinese territory and Beijing the rightful government. Only a few trouble maker nations play both sides. Really only the US and a few minions once in a while.

    You said the Monroe Doctrine is another ball of wax… But it’s not. It is exactly what you accuse China of doing – except I gave you direct contrast as to why China is not the imperialist. But you can’t do anything but pretend to be smart – but you obviously aren’t.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  317. Smith says:
    @showmethereal

    So it’s excuse now? By that saying, you can’t compare Crouching Tiger with other japanese movies in the 70s, because of inflation rate.

    No, I’m saying the chinese purposely migrate to Singapore in order to form a colony, and thus providing an easier control of Malacca strait for chinese business, a feat they cannot do back in Ming times.

    The brits helped on this issue, with the chinese being the compradors to the brits. Singapore hilariously has an US base to this very day.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Smith
    , @Showmethereal
  318. @Rdm

    Thanks rdm.

    So the main concern about the investigation was that it seems to have been a coordinated plan to put the focus on China.

    I don’t know what happened – I’m a little person! – but what you’ve outlined is only circumstantial evidence of that. There’s nothing which shows clearly that is actually the case.

    My own thinking is that it was just the Australian government big-noting itself on the international stage, to get praise from others, without realising Chinese sensitivity on this issue. Our diplomats should have been warning the government about this. The point is, we don’t have to be part of someone else’s plan to do something dumb.

    Re. Huawei: that was a national security question. We’re allowed to decide our own national security questions, yes? China doesn’t let the US or UK build its warships!

    Re. BRI and Victoria, I think it was illegal under our constitution, which says that only the Commonwealth government can make international agreements. The equivalent would be Australia making an agreement with Hubei province, bypassing Beijing – imagine how Beijing would react to that! So the agreement had to go – but you’re welcome to approach the Commonwealth government to make an agreement.

    Regardless of rights and wrongs, the current situation is regrettable and much less than optimal. Hopefully the situation improves soon, hurt feelings are assuaged, apologies are given and received, and we can get back to trading, investing, visiting, and being friends.

    • Agree: Rdm, Alfred
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Rdm
  319. chrimony says:
    @showmethereal

    A married couple who was separated is still legally married.

    You’re really boring and pathetic. Reaching for further and further strained analogies isn’t helping your case. We’ve already discussed direct analogies in history dealing with actual countries.

    And whether you like it or not the UN and majority of the world recognize Taiwan as Chinese territory and Beijing the rightful government.

    Which means jack shit when Taiwan has been de facto governed as an independent country for over 70 years, including having a strong international economy and their own military. China could agree to an independent Taiwan tomorrow and the whole world would agree. So it’s only China’s continued belligerence that prevents this from happening.

    You said the Monroe Doctrine is another ball of wax… But it’s not.

    You keep on dropping the context, because it makes you look petty and stupid, as I said. The original context was your (parroting mainland China’s?) demand for Taiwan to “pay for all the national loot taken to the island”. Rather than address the pettiness and stupidity of your demand, you changed the argument and compared it to the Monroe Doctrine. I rightly pointed out that policy is a quite different issue, and that your appeal to an obviously imperialistic policy by the US just shows that China wants to be an imperial power.

    It is exactly what you accuse China of doing – except I gave you direct contrast as to why China is not the imperialist.

    YOU used an appeal to the Monroe Doctrine as a defense of China, not me. That’s a self-own on your part.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  320. Malla says:
    @Showmethereal

    However my personal opinion is that the Kashmir valley region, the Muslim majority part, the part of Jammu & Kashmir needs to be given the choice for independence or join pakistan if they so chose. I do not see the point of spending millions of our money to keep people within the Union who do not want to be part of the Union. We screech and scream about “evul British” 24/7 in our media and textbooks, so why are we acting as a colonial/imperial country? Indeed the Independent Government of India has used far far more brutality against regions which want independence (Kashmir, North East, Khalistan) than the British Raj government of India used atleast in the 20th century. The Hindu Jammu region would be kept with India , population exchanges in between Hindus and Muslims may be done in between Hindu Jammu and Muslim Kashmir Valley as well Muslims from Buddhist Ladakh region may be allowed to leave to the Valley too. Kashmiri Pundits may be settled in Jammu and be paid compensation by the independent Kashmir state for losing their property when they were expelled. The Pakistani part of Kashmir like Gilgit Baltistan do not consider themselves Kashmiris. Giltgit Baltistan in Pakistani Kashmir is a weird place where Mongoloid Tibetan but Muslim, Baltis share state with Caucasoid Dard like populations who are similar to Tajiks and Iranians. Maybe they be separated. Also there are the pagan and White looking Kalash with their primordial Vedic Aryan Religion.
    Same with the North East of India, if they want independence, let them have it. Indeed I believe the Indian North East along with the Bangladesh region of Chittagong Hill Tracts could be combined as an independent nation as the populations there are predominantly Mongoloid. As well as the Naga region of Myanmar (tiny area) could join in and a new nation could be created, where the people would be happier. Sikkim could be given Independence and the descendant of the Royal Family brought back. Non natives, Indians and Bangladeshis from mainland India and Bangladesh can be sent back to India or Bangladesh. Arunachal Pradesh/South Tibet may be given back to China , maybe after some plebiscite. Maybe with some guarantees by China about giving it some autonomy. If the North East was to become independent, China would not have any border with India in that region anyways and would not face any security threat and thus South Tibet may be given some unique autonomy.
    The rest of India will not fall apart if we give these regions independence, nobody else wants it. The Maoists in the forests of Central India do not want independence but a Communist Government in Delhi at the most (impractical) or negotiations for the tribals (against Indian oligarchic Mining corporations) at the least. No separatism there.
    However if the Indian Central Government forces Hindi language on the populations of South India (who prefer English as an official language of India to prevent domination from Hindi speaking North Indians), we might see separatist movements in South India too. But for now there is no separatist movements there, they are happy to be part of India and very patriotic.

  321. @Stebbing Heuer

    The Five Eyes attack on China began in 2011 in the ‘Australian’ stooge regime’s ‘Parliament’, where Obama declared the ‘pivot to Asia’, a declaration of war. The ‘phony war’ is nearing its end.
    China is surrounded by c.400 US and stooge military bases, the USA is ‘surrounded’ by NONE, yet China is the aggressor. India started a fight in the Himalaya (India rags boasted of ‘tricking’ China into conflict), but China is the aggressor. The USA spends billions a year on subversive terrorist operations targeting Xinjiang, Tibet, ‘South’ Mongolia, Hong Kong, even ‘Manchutia’, while China spends not a cent on internal separatist terrorism in the USA, still China is the aggressor. And on and on it goes. Behind the whole thing, but increasingly making itself obvious is simple race hatred, the West’s stock-in-trade for centuries. Prepare to kiss your arse arrivederci.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    , @mike99588
  322. @Malla

    Ok… Well some parts of it I knew (such as Ladakh and CPEC) – but yeah it’s the psychology I don’t get. I was wondering if there are some huge mineral resources or something that holds very strategic importance. Sounds like just pride though. Pride is the most dangerous. Well hopefully it gets solved with minimal violence. I think my idea would work to cause the least chance of violence.

    “However my personal opinion is that the Kashmir valley region, the Muslim majority part, the part of Jammu & Kashmir needs to be given the choice for independence or join pakistan if they so chose”

    Yeah but we know there is almost no chance both sides let Kashmir be independent because it leaves too much uncertainty for both sides… Tense stuff

    • Replies: @Malla
  323. @anon

    Well America had best get a hoppin’.

    Engineers, designers, and talent in this field does not grow on trees, and you just cannot snap your fingers and have it materialize out of thin air. It takes time.

    I would suggest that a bunch of diversity directors team up with some accountants and lawyers and come up with a structured plan for implementation to regain the American technical skill set for subway rail. Then petition for funding out of Washington DC, once the necessary FDA, FCC, and other agency approval cycles have been completed.

  324. d dan says:
    @chrimony

    “More parsing of paper niceties than what’s actually occurring on the ground.”

    “what’s actually occurring on the ground” is that Taiwan is not allowed to do a lot of things that a normal independent nation can do.

    “Hong Kong is under the thumb of mainland China, who has been tightening their grip in steady fashion.”

    Whatever you like to believe about Hong Kong does not matter. A lot of things Taiwanese can do, Hong Kongers can also. That is “what’s actually occurring on the ground.”

    “Taiwan is part of the WTO under a special label”

    So does Hong Kong and many non-independent regions in the world. That is “what’s actually occurring on the ground” too.

    “They have bought billions of dollars in military supplies from the US. “

    That is due to hegemonic power of US – nothing to do with Taiwan nor China. It has no effects on the balance of military power on “what’s actually occurring on the ground”.

    It is very clear that you are pushing a string for Taiwan’s independence. Good luck with that. China will decide when, how and what way to unite with Taiwan – there is simply nothing you or anyone else can stop that.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @chrimony
  325. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    What’s with the difference between native and indigenous? Both of these words are synonyms.

    No, they’re not. Over a period of 400 years, Han settlers had intermarried with the indigenous Taiwanese living in the lowlands of Taiwan to become ‘native’ Taiwanese while the remaining tribes lived in the highlands of Taiwan. So the ‘native’ Taiwanese are Han Chinese with indigenous Taiwanese ancestry. The Han Chinese who had fled to Taiwan after Chiang lost to Mao in the Chinese Civil War in 1949 have also intermarried with the ‘native’ Taiwanese since they have been living in Taiwan for 70 years, not to mention the large numbers of ‘native’ Taiwanese men marrying Han Chinese women from the mainland ever since Deng’s market reforms attracted Taiwanese businessmen to invest in the PRC starting in the 80s.

    • Replies: @Smith
  326. antibeast says:
    @d dan

    It is very clear that you are pushing a string for Taiwan’s independence. Good luck with that. China will decide when, how and what way to unite with Taiwan – there is simply nothing you or anyone else can stop that.

    He keeps insisting that Taiwan has been a de-facto ‘independent’ nation since 1949 which is patently false because the ROC government is not ‘independent’ of China which it claimed to represent to this day. The KMT political party that has ruled the ROC government for most of its existence came from China which it wants to reunite with Taiwan. The DPP which advocates independence for Taiwan came into power only during 2000-2008 with the election of President Chen Shui-bian and then lost to the KMT from 2008 to 2016 with the election of Ma Ying-jeou who then initiated the cross-straits relationship between the CCP and the KMT during his term.

    The ROC in Taiwan is a de-facto autonomous government, ruling the island province of Taiwan as part of China. To be considered an ‘independent’ nation requires de-jure recognition by the international community which would treat it as such. The fact that no nation in the world treat the ROC in Taiwan as a de-jure independent nation, makes it a de-facto autonomous government. Even the ROC government does not recognize Taiwan as an ‘independent’ nation but as a province of China which it has claimed to represent to this day.

  327. Malla says:

    I was wondering if there are some huge mineral resources or something that holds very strategic importance.

    Good point, I never thought of that. but that is what the deep state would know, not the commoners. One more reason the autonomous status of Indian Kashmir was scrapped and made a normal Indian State (Union territory)was because, Kashmir is a beautiful place with great tourist potential. Until now non Kashmiri Indians did not have rights to own private property, but now big Indian oligarchs would open their hotel chains there. Mainland Indians still have restrictions on buying private land in North East India but the Indian north East faces massive illegal Bangladeshi immigration, and there are clashes in between North East Indians and Muslim Bangladeshis reminiscent of what is happening in Burma in between native Buddhists and Muslim Rohingya. So what independence will those Mongoloid North East Indians take from India if they are overwhelmed by Bangladeshis and absorbed and become extinct as an independent people? I had read some newspaper editorials (N.D. Nalapat?) who said that Bangladeshis should not be allowed in mainland India but should be encouraged in the North East to crush the native independence movements of the local Mongoloid peoples.
    For Pakistan, there is one more reason for all this as many of the sources of the Indus river, their lifeblood is in Kashmir, an independent Kashmir or Kashmir as part of Pakistan would improve their future water security. India may dam their river sources and put Pakistan’s future at risk, may bring Pakistan to its knees using water alone, India has not done it till now. Already Ethiopia is damming the Nile and Turkey the Euphrates causing insecurity in Egypt and Iraq respectively. Ethiopia has bought off Sudan with cheap electricity promises but Egypt (with a rapidly growing population) is screwed. India in the future will have no option but to dam those rivers in the future as it faces massive water shortages in North India and probably famine like conditions (all that growing population, green revolution and climate change are coming back as karma). That could decimate Pakistan which itself faces a growing population. So either famine in India or in Pakistan. ofcourse all this can be avoided with population control on both sides, and more smart usage of water. But I would not bet on that. India’s fertility is crashing but even with that the population will rise to 1.8 billion to 2 billion and Pakistan has a high fertility rate even now. The future looks dicey.

  328. antibeast says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    There are some absolutely stunning technologies being developed in Europe, and America. I just cannot wait for them to be implemented in the West. With President Bidens’ investment of trillions of dollars in infrastructure, this can be realized. I want to believe.

    Amtrak is buying new high-speed trains from French company Alstom which is going to be manufactured in the USA. Here’s a video of the new high-speed ’tilting trains’:

    China has a very different business model from the Europeans who opted to run their high-speed ’tilting trains’ on purpose-built high-speed rail lines as well as regular commuter rail tracks. Instead of adopting ’tilting trains’ to run on commuter tracks, the Chinese created an end-to-end high-speed rail system consisting of purpose-built high-speed rail lines, custom-built high-speed rail stations and specially-designed Fuxing Hao high-speed trains which could achieve 300-400km/h speeds, far faster than the 200-250km/h speeds of the European-designed trains which was imported by and manufactured in China under license for the Hexie Hao series of high-speed trains.

    I doubt if high-speed rail would ever happen in the USA. Can Biden do it? Let’s see what happens.

  329. Smith says:
    @Smith

    I should rephrase it as Yes here.

    Turns out the chinese government (Qing dynasty) did actually encourage and even enforce the chinese migration to Singpore, in the name of selling coolies to the British.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/313998290_Singapore_Chinese_migration_late_19th_century_to_present

    The Qing dynasty continued to ignore the problems in Chinese human trafficking. However, in 1893 it finally decided to lift the restrictions imposed on Chinese migration. In 1896 the British colonial authorities enacted Ordinance XVIII of 1896, which called for the setting up of “native passenger lodging houses” for new Chinese migrants. An immigrants’ depot bill was proposed in 1897, although the first official “examination depot” of new migrants was opened only in 1899. Further laws were passed by the colonial authorities in 1902 and 1910 that gave the protector of Chinese more powers to protect Chinese migrants

    Yet, not everyone who came to Singapore was forced to. Along with the coolies were the merchants who came to Singapore to trade. Some of them continued with their family business networks in China but there were also those who came to Singapore because the island was at the center of the Malayan rubber, pineapple, and tin trade. The international trade in these commodities had boomed by the late 19th century and many Chinese arrived in Singapore to share in the lucrative trade.

    Recogniz-ing the economic and financial strength of the Chinese merchants in Singapore, the Qing dynasty called on their support for new government economic and communications program in China.

    So it is no coincidence or simple British greed that millions chinese came to Singapore, the malays wouldn’t have it, but the brits force the chinese on them.

  330. Smith says:
    @Smith

    I should rephrase it as Yes here.

    Turns out the chinese government (Qing dynasty) did actually encourage and even force the chinese migration to Singapore, in the name of selling coolies to the British.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/313998290_Singapore_Chinese_migration_late_19th_century_to_present

    The Qing dynasty continued to ignore the problems in Chinese human trafficking. However, in 1893 it finally decided to lift the restrictions imposed on Chinese migration. In 1896 the British colonial authorities enacted Ordinance XVIII of 1896, which called for the setting up of “native passenger lodging houses” for new Chinese migrants. An immigrants’ depot bill was proposed in 1897, although the first official “examination depot” of new migrants was opened only in 1899. Further laws were passed by the colonial authorities in 1902 and 1910 that gave the protector of Chinese more powers to protect Chinese migrants

    Yet, not everyone who came to Singapore was forced to. Along with the coolies were the merchants who came to Singapore to trade. Some of them continued with their family business networks in China but there were also those who came to Singapore because the island was at the center of the Malayan rubber, pineapple, and tin trade. The international trade in these commodities had boomed by the late 19th century and many Chinese arrived in Singapore to share in the lucrative trade.

    Recogniz-ing the economic and financial strength of the Chinese merchants in Singapore, the Qing dynasty called on their support for new government economic and communications program in China.

    So it is no coincidence or simple British greed that millions chinese came to Singapore, the malays wouldn’t have it, but the brits force the chinese on them.

    The chinese have lusted for the richness of SEA for a long time, and the brits just give it to them.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  331. raga10 says:

    That is due to hegemonic power of US – nothing to do with Taiwan nor China.

    Taiwan increased their military budget to over 13 billion for this year, which is putting some strain on their economy. It looks like they are scared of something. What could that be? Maybe it is the armada of Hobbits arriving from New Zealand, but I would go out on the limb here and say they are more likely to be concerned about China.

    Spending 13 billion a year on their defense seems like a pretty definite statement on where they stand on the prospect of “uniting” with China.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Showmethereal
  332. Rdm says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Regardless of rights and wrongs, the current situation is regrettable and much less than optimal. Hopefully the situation improves soon, hurt feelings are assuaged, apologies are given and received, and we can get back to trading, investing, visiting, and being friends.

    I hope so. I hope. I really hope. Or I did hope that.

    ————–

    This is Australia think tanks that drives the government foreign policy decision. A flurry of sponsors will enlighten us where the administration is going. Recently there’s been a suppression of Free Speech happening in the West, i.e., educated basement dwellers with a balanced view of the world are reporting supposedly “anti-West” narrative. They’re clamping down on those by the best lawyers they can get.

    https://www.aspi.org.au/index.php/sponsors

    ————–

    In a few years, we’d will see how the BRI is destroying the planet, removing family roots, culture, forced labors.

    It’s not wumao squad.

    It’s gonna be “三亿“ (sanyi) squad with professional training.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/522154-cynical-hypocrisy-propaganda-us/

    ————–

    In a few years, you’d see more and more articles, news bashing on China.

    In daily conversation with your lovely ones, all conversation leads to politics and all the news will be anti-China because you won’t read RT because it’s Russia state funded, you won’t read CGNT because it’s China state funded. You’d read all other media because you are told that they are freedom of expression, not CIA funded, not NED funded.

    – Julian Assange is a convict. (huge credits to Aussie)
    – Edward Snowden is a traitor.
    – Capitol riots instigators putting into jail.

    What else?

    Yes, Joshua Wong IS a freedom fighter in HongKong.

    ————–

    Russia pulls out from ISS and will join with China.

    No one likes the Empire except the stools and new members.

    https://www.ft.com/content/a1518565-e643-42ae-a650-02e9c3bdd657

    ————–

    Of course, those can be considered as “circumstantial evidence” and they don’t mean anything.

    You’d have a good day, mate !

  333. @raga10

    To your last sentence. You are correct and i gave you the reasons why. If Scotland leaves the UK the Brits do not fear the Scots allowing Russia to put bases there. Anyone who cant understand that is simply becausee they have an agenda or bias. National sovereignty is not like renting an apartment and you move if you dont like your neighbors. I simply gave you the scenario that it could happen (economic and securtiy guarantees). Ironically – NATO expansion toward Russia has made it less likely even. We live in the real world.

  334. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    The Qing dynasty continued to ignore the problems in Chinese human trafficking. However, in 1893 it finally decided to lift the restrictions imposed on Chinese migration.

    The Qing dynasty imposed a ban on Chinese emigration which was lifted only in 1893. That means the illegal trade of Chinese ‘coolies’ to work in the Straits Settlements was facilitated by the British colonial authorities in cahoots with Chinese smugglers. The same thing happened with the Opium Trade when the British colonial authorities granted licenses to Chinese drug lords to engage in the Opium Trade in Southeast Asia with India.

    So it is no coincidence or simple British greed that millions Chinese came to Singapore, the Malays wouldn’t have it, but the Brits force the Chinese on them.

    That’s correct. The British colonial authorities recruited Chinese ‘coolies’ as part of the ‘coolie trade’ to work in the Straits Settlements which was banned by the Qing dynasty until lifted only in 1893.

    The Chinese have lusted for the richness of SEA for a long time, and the Brits just give it to them.

    Depends on what you mean by the ‘Chinese’. The few Chinese human smugglers or drug lords who conspired with the British colonial authorities to run the ‘coolie trade’ or Opium Trade lusted after the richness of SEA. But China never invaded, conquered nor colonized SEA, unlike the Western Powers.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Smith
  335. antibeast says:
    @raga10

    Spending 13 billion a year on their defense seems like a pretty definite statement on where they stand on the prospect of “uniting” with China.

    Think about Saudi Arabia and how much that country spends on US-made weapons to understand the predicament that the ROC government in Taiwan is in with respect to the US Deep State.

    • Replies: @anon
  336. @Anonymous

    Australia had better develop its own nuclear deterrent. Once the US gay circus collapses, as it must, China will be the least of your concerns. What about Pakistan? What if they gave you an ultimatum? Australians can say, “It’s Kokoda all over again, mate! We’re gunna foit!” Then they nuke pretty Adelaide to show they mean business. What are you going to do then?

    • Replies: @Malla
  337. @antibeast

    Auatralian Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo ———-drums of war —–Australia against China—Canada against Russia —–and democracy —Wins again !!!

    • Replies: @antibeast
  338. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Ooops my post 333 was meant for you, forgot to link up.

    Also check this out.

    Islamists Protests Put Pakistan on the Verge of Collapse
    A video by a Pakistani about Islamic crackpots in Pakistan created by the Army which has gone out of control now. There is a slim chance they might come to power one day. So we have Hinduvadi crackpots on one side and Islamic fundamentalist crackpots on the other.
    At 9:10 minutes he lambastes Indian idiots rejoicing over this revolt saying that if these Islamists ever came to power, there would surely be nuclear war in between India and Pakistan as there are crackpots on both sides. The probability is low as the Pakistani Army would not allow. But who knows about the future.

  339. Malla says:
    @Ray Caruso

    What about Pakistan? What if they gave you an ultimatum?

    This is the dumbest monkey fart bullshit I have ever read. Pakistan’s nukes are reserved for India and maybe Israel. Why would they take on Australia? This would be the perfect opportunity for India to show the world that Pakistan is a “crackpot unstable State” and needs to be denuclearized. That is what India (with Israel’s help) is trying to push for all this time. Such a scenario would be a perfect opportunity the Government of India would be looking forward to and Pakistan knows this and thus no sensible Pakistani Government would do this to Australia. Yes Islamic crackpot parties like the TLP (Rizvi) coming to power in Islamabad might attempt that. But before that most probably low IQ BJP RSS Hindutva crackpot hotheads in India and low IQ TLP Pakistani Islamic crackpot hotheads would have already gone at each other.
    China has not even realized what a headache the Indian subcontinent is, it has waded into a freakin minefield.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  340. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    Um, no, what I quoted above is strictly about the chinese government (Qing dynasty) actually turned a blind eye to human migration to Singapore, and later even enforced and facilitated it, so that it can ask for protection money from the chinese colonists there.

    This is colonialization, no way outta it. This is the same as the european migrants who come to the US during the Gang of New York era.

    And chinese smugglers/merchants are chinese too, the moment the motherland calls, they answer.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  341. antibeast says:
    @GomezAdddams

    The Chinese view Australia as a place to hang out at Bondi Beach, drink Victoria Bitter and party with Blonde Babes and Surfer Dudes while enjoying its laid back lifestyle and sunny weather.

  342. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    So over 300 years, the white settlers have mixed with the native american so you have Pocahonta Warren, thus the white americans are also native american, applying your logic.

    But this isn’t true. Native american doesn’t mean white americans.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  343. chrimony says:
    @d dan

    “what’s actually occurring on the ground” is that Taiwan is not allowed to do a lot of things that a normal independent nation can do.

    So you claimed last time, but I disproved it. They have treaties, a strong international economy, belong to the WTO, and their own military. There are many fig leaf paper formalities that other countries adhere to appease China, but that doesn’t change what I just said.

    Whatever you like to believe about Hong Kong does not matter. A lot of things Taiwanese can do, Hong Kongers can also. That is “what’s actually occurring on the ground.”

    But as the latest protests showed, at the end of the day mainland China has the final say. They are only allowed as much freedom as mainland China decides to give them. THAT’S the reality on the ground.

    That is due to hegemonic power of US – nothing to do with Taiwan nor China. It has no effects on the balance of military power on “what’s actually occurring on the ground”.

    Lulz, you’re living in fantasy land. The US doesn’t force Taiwan to buy military weapons. Taiwan buys them because they don’t want to be taken over by Communist China.

    It is very clear that you are pushing a string for Taiwan’s independence. Good luck with that. China will decide when, how and what way to unite with Taiwan – there is simply nothing you or anyone else can stop that.

    All I’ve said is that China is the belligerent party that insists on taking over Taiwan, but they don’t have to be. If China wants to swing it’s big dick around and be an imperialist country like the US, they can do so. Maybe everything will work out fine. Or maybe not.

    • Replies: @d dan
  344. @raga10

    But see thats what you get. The ROC in Taiwan HAS TO buy Us weapons. i dont think you get how the military industrial complex of the US works. This has ALWAYS been about the US being able to sell weapons. Read the Joint Communiques. Hong Kong and Macau dont have their own militaries… They aslo dont pay tax to Beijing. Because of that they can indeed pay attention to things like quality of life. And as Special Administrative Regions of China they actually have MORE of a say on the internation stage than the ROC in Taiwan – which most see as illegitimate. So what have they gained?? Nothing.
    Hong Kong and Macau have their own local laws and were humming along just fine. Macau passed the national security law years ago and so was at peace since the handover (and the Portuguese gave citizenship to all who wanted to leave. The Brits didnt take those who wanted to leave and Hong Kong never passed the REQUIRED national security law. Then the NED worked with dissidents to start riots – causing Beijing to clamp down on so called “freedoms”. Ask the Catalans in Spain what they think of HK complaining. The Brits finally opened it up to whoever wants to leave…. They have gotten relatively few takers in spite of all the rioting. So it would be if unification happened between the Taiwan Straits. Hardcore dissidents would go but thats about it. You have more Taiwan people living on the mainland than would flee. I dont gamble but if I did I would wager that.

    So dont blame the PRC for the ROC military budget. It couldnt save them in a war anyway. Meanwhile the island plays dumb politics so doesnt invest in energy and water infrastructure and is suffering droughts etc. Meanwhil Kinmen – which is cotrolled by Taipei – has no water and energy issues because being right across from Xiamen – the mainland supplies them!!! The media you follow doesnt tell you that do they???? Go find out how much Kinmen has to pay the Mainland for its water and energy. Go ask the people on Kinmen if they are scared of an invasion (even though up until the 70’s there was still live fire between the two sides). They laugh. The only invasion they have are the swimmers who compete in a competition between the sides to see who can swim fastest between the two… Or the invasion of tourists from the mainland who go there and spend money. So it would be with all the rest of ROC controlled territory.

    • Replies: @raga10
  345. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    Um, no, what I quoted above is strictly about the Chinese government (Qing dynasty) actually turned a blind eye to human migration to Singapore, and later even enforced and facilitated it, so that it can ask for protection money from the Chinese colonists there.

    The quote came from your post which says emigration was restricted by the Qing dynasty until 1893 which implies that the ‘coolie trade’ was ILLEGAL. But the Chinese smugglers/drug traders conspired with the British colonial authorities much earlier than 1893 to bring in the Chinese coolies and run the Opium Trade because they were interested in exploiting the natural resources of the British colonies which needed the labor of Chinese coolies who were brutally exploited by the Chinese mining/plantation owners.

    The Qing dynasty could not ‘enforce nor facilitate’ the coolie trade because China did rule over Singapore, Penang and other British colonies. Nor can China ask for ‘protection money’ from the Chinese immigrants in Singapore. That’s the job of the British colonial authorities not China.

    This is colonialization, no way outta it. This is the same as the European migrants who come to the US during the Gang of New York era.

    No, you’re wrong. European nations actually banned their citizens from emigrating to the USA. But lots of European criminals did anyway. The US government is responsible for its immigration laws not the European-origin countries of those European immigrants.

    China did not and has never invaded, conquered nor colonized any SEA country. Your reasoning is flawed. That’s like saying African countries colonized America, Haiti, Dominican Republic and Brazil because there are lots of Blacks who live in those countries.

    • Replies: @Smith
  346. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    False analogy because the Anglos exterminated the Indians. So the Anglos are NOT ‘Native Americans’.

    A better analogy is Thailand. The Han Chinese traders to Thailand since the Ayutthaya have been settling there and intermarrying with the indigenous Thais to become native Thais. King Taksin who was the son of a Chinese immigrant later recruited Chinese immigrants to Thailand where they intermarried with the indigenous Thais to become native Thais. There are ‘Overseas Chinese’ who are Chinese immigrants in Thailand but they usually intermarry and assimilate after a few generations. This pattern has been repeated for the past 400 years.

    • Replies: @Smith
  347. d dan says:
    @chrimony

    “Taiwan is not allowed to do a lot of things that a normal independent nation can do.” – d dan

    “I disproved it.” – chrimony

    No, you didn’t. Taiwan can’t express its voice in UN, can’t vote in UN, can’t sign multilateral trade treaties like RCEP, can’t establish diplomatic relationship with most of the 200 nations in the world. All these are things that a normal independent nation can do but Taiwan can’t.

    But look at the list of things that you suggest:

    “They have treaties”: some types of treaties, yes, and so does Hong Kong.
    “a strong international economy”, Ha? What to do with being an independent nation?
    “belong to the WTO”: so does Hong Kong.
    “and their own military”: many countries allow local regions to have military (e.g. US National Guard). FYI: PRC actually proposed to allow Taiwan to keep its military after re-unification – so this is NOT unique to being an “independent nation.”

    None of your list confers any legal status of being independent, but only autonomy – a “niceties” you are unable to understand.

    “But as the latest protests showed, at the end of the day mainland China has the final say.”

    That does not negate the statement that most of the things Taiwan is allowed to do, Hong Kong is allowed too.

    “Lulz, you’re living in fantasy land. The US doesn’t force Taiwan to buy military weapons. “

    Of course, US does. You are the one who live in fantasy land if you believe Taiwan can say “no” to US (haha, Japan can’t even do that). That is the best indicator of not being an independent nation.

    “Taiwan buys them because they don’t want to be taken over by Communist China.”

    Taiwan buys them because they want the fantasy of ability to resist taken over by Communist China – fixed that for you.

    “All I’ve said is that China is the belligerent party that insists on taking over Taiwan”

    No, you are the one who is the belligerent party by going halfway around the Earth to interfere with domestic affair of another nation that you know little about.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @chrimony
  348. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    The DPP government doesn’t put up much resistance, at least while the KMT was in charge, it put up a little bit of fight. Tsai’s government signed a contract to buy 66 F16 fighter jets last year, at the cost of $62 billion.

    Taiwan Finalizes $62 Billion Purchase of F-16 Jets from Lockheed Martin
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/08/15/taiwan-finalizes-62-billion-purchase-of-f-16-jets-lockheed-martin.html

    That is almost 1 billion per F16. I would love Taiwan too if I were in the business.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @antibeast
  349. @Smith

    Wow so seems you find amusement in old men being attacked from behind. In any event I remember bringing this up on a thread you were on but you must have missed it. I cant say in San Francisco or Los Angeles – but you should go to New York City and ask the old tough guys from the 70’s 80’s and early 90’s. They will tell you Chinese gangs were respected in the street and in the prisons. They even moved in on the Italian heroin trade and were respected. Even though they were smaller in stature and outnumbered in numbers they didnt back down. And actually go ask in the Asian areas of Manhattan and Queens (and the jails) – the Vietnamese gangs fell under their umbrella. In NY they understood though they went their own way – when it came down to it – they needed each other.

    But thankfully there arent any Chinese street gangs in NY streets and by extension not in the prisons either. The organized crime figures went back to Hong Kong and SEA.

    Are there still Vietnamese gangs in Los Angeles???

    • Replies: @Smith
  350. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    if you do genetic check on the “anglo americans”, you will find native american mix.

    The more southern west, the more mix in fact.

    No false analogy here.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  351. Smith says:
    @Showmethereal

    I find amusement at seeing the usage white vs asian angle gets destroyed by the blacks.

    And lol chinese gangs and vietnamese gangs, go impress the youngsters, I have no respect for any gang, let alone asian gangs, criminals and scums, all of them.

    The chinese triad teamed up with the French occupation to shake down on Vietnamese, and it takes the Viet Minh to cleanse them out.

    You will see these chinese gangsters acting tough, but the moment shit gets rough, they scam like hell. Black riot in LA? Not one korean gangster found. In fact nowadays, you won’t find chinese gang sticking out of Chinatown, meanwhile arabs and hispanics sell drugs there.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  352. chrimony says:
    @d dan

    Taiwan can’t express its voice in UN

    Who cares about a single vote in a shitty organization where only a handful of players matter anyways? But they are part of the WTO.

    can’t sign multilateral trade treaties like RCEP

    Out out appeasement to China, but they still sign treaties with other countries. But what about all the restrictions that North Korea and Iran are under because of the USA? Are they not independent countries?

    “a strong international economy”, Ha? What to do with being an independent nation?

    Are you really this stupid? How many places run their own economy with their own currencies and conduct international trade that aren’t independent nations? You can point to Hong Kong, which was independent of China until relatively recently. The “one country, two systems” is a holdover that China allows for now.

    many countries allow local regions to have military (e.g. US National Guard)

    The primary purpose of the Taiwan military is to rebuff being taken over by Communist China.

    That does not negate the statement that most of the things Taiwan is allowed to do, Hong Kong is allowed too.

    “Most”, that is, they are not an independent country.

    Of course, US does. You are the one who live in fantasy land if you believe Taiwan can say “no” to US (haha, Japan can’t even do that).

    Give me a break. Taiwan has Big Brother right next door they can go running to for protection, but they don’t want Big Brother. Indeed, they fought a war with Big Brother and retreated to their own island to survive without being under the rule of Big Brother. THAT is why they buy military weapons, not because the US forces them to. What a clown you are.

    Taiwan buys them because they want the fantasy of ability to resist taken over by Communist China – fixed that for you.

    Why hasn’t Communist China done it? Why didn’t they finish the job 70 years ago? Are they so kind and generous?

    No, you are the one who is the belligerent party by going halfway around the Earth to interfere with domestic affair of another nation that you know little about.

    Politics is international. Anybody can call it like they see it. If Biggus Dikkus commie China wants to swing their big dick around, they are free to do so, and we are all free to comment on it.

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  353. antibeast says:
    @anon

    That’s $8B for 66 F-16C/D Block 70 fighter jets at $121M each.

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/09/01/lockheed-will-keep-f-16-flying-with-8-billion-sale.aspx

    Ma initiated cross-straits ties with China after he was elected President in 2008 which culminated in the historic meeting between Xi and Ma in Singapore in 2015. During the same period, the CCP had begun establishing a cordial relationship with the KMT which has resulted in the promotion of Chinese nationalism in the PRC. The PRC war movies now depict the Chinese Nationalist Army as war heroes while PRC historians have now revised their view of Chiang Kai-shek as a brave patriot but tragic hero.

    Westerners especially Americans underestimate the intensity of Chinese nationalism on both sides of the Taiwan Straits. They tend to view the PRC-ROC relationship from the Cold War lens of ‘Communist China’ vs ‘Democratic Taiwan’ dichotomy. But that myopic view comes from the ossified remains of a bygone era. Those days when the West could demonize and marginalize China are over.

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  354. @Malla

    Pakistan’s nukes are “reserved for India”? What does that mean?

    You obviously have a very low IQ and a severe case of Dunning-Kruger’s, so I didn’t read your post beyond that.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Ray Caruso
  355. @Smith

    You are talking about soft power. Well I analyze all day at work. If my boss asked me to compare what we would do is measure the price of tickets and also screens available and compare to the overall market back then and now. That would tell you what had more weight. In any event – Japan’s soft power in the west is generally based on how much of a “partner” she was with the US. But its not an excuse. It is a reality. With all Japanese soft power why did it take so lomg to pass Hero or Crouching Tiger? What Japanese actors are as well known as some of the stars in those Chinese films? Fact is Hong Kong was the main push for a long time. Crouching Tiger was even made by a Taiwanese.

    But you may want to check with US companies like Netflix. They are starting to buy lots of Chinese content. What the ratio of watchers are I dont know but I doubt it is just for the diaspora Chinese. For instance a Taiwanese wrote a famous story translated “Handsome Siblings”. That thing was remade many times in Taiwan and especially Hong Kong. The one Netflix bought was a brand new Mainland production. In terms of quality you can put that up against any series in any language. Same is true of another mainland production called “Nirvana in Fire”. It has been ported into English on YouTube. Plenty of ppl watch it in English. Again – I would put the quality of that production against any series. Doesnt matter to me who watches. But point being it is in English for foreigners to watch – which the views indicate many do.

    You are correct about the Brits using Chinese labor. Some of my own family left after the Brits invaded. They quickly moved up the ladder but it was no conspiracy. Chinese went all throughout British colonies after the Opium Wars – even as far as the Caribbean. Some returned and some didnt. A little known fact is that when Japan invaded China you had Chinese as far away as the Caribbean who returned to fight against Japan. Some of them remained and even joined the PRC.

    But no – there was no conspiracy to colonize Malaysia with Chinese.

    • Replies: @Smith
  356. mike99588 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    China looks pretty totally aggressive to coastal states like Philippines and Vietnam or its land neighbors like India, never mind its hegemony plans through technology siphoning, BRI and 5G .

    Basically, the repudiation of Hong Kong’s agreed treaty rights gives China as much credibility as Adolf taking the rump of Czechoslavakia in 1938 for all to see. One ugly too far.

    Taiwan and Japan have obvious historical issues that conflict, but the nine dash line invasion is comic book evil/ugly for China’s credibility.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  357. @chrimony

    Typical clown who has no real life experience shaped by geopolitics and war but calls issues related to it as petty. Sophomoric…
    So is repeating the same point because you don’t have an actual counterpoint aside rom what you hear on talk radio.

    Your type are the same ones who can’t understand why no matter what Uncle Sam tries – South Korea refuses to join in league with Japan. Outsiders with big mouths who don’t understand the fabric of the society. They refuse to bow just because they are a democracy. Your type doesnt understand why…

    • Replies: @chrimony
  358. @Smith

    Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about? South Koreans have to serve in the military. During the 1992 LA riots they were well known to shoot it out with rioters. What on earth are you talking about?

    And you did not get the point where I said go to NY and ask about the reputation of Asian (mainly Chinese) gangs in the past. Even being outnumbered. Especially in the jails when they were more outnumbered.

    Why would Chinese still want gangs? You have gangs when you are poor. Yikes. Point is you never were an Asian minority so you talk tough from safety. Probably would be the first to run if you were approached.

    In any event anyone who finds amusement in elderly people being assaulted is a sociopath in need of help. Must be a lonely and hard life for you.

    • Replies: @Smith
  359. raga10 says:
    @Showmethereal

    But see thats what you get. The ROC in Taiwan HAS TO buy Us weapons.

    HAS TO?!? Do tell, what would US do if Taiwan decided not to buy any more weapons? Invade them? Pull McDonald’s from their market?

    I suppose they could abandon Taiwan to its fate in retaliation, but in this case they would be practically doing Taiwan a favour, according to you.

    There is only one reason Taiwan HAS TO buy US weapons, and it sits next door to them.

    “We warn those ‘Taiwan independence’ elements – those who play with fire will burn themselves, and Taiwan independence means war.” — Chinese defence ministry spokesman Wu Qian, in January this year.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Showmethereal
  360. d dan says:
    @chrimony

    “Who cares about a single vote in a shitty organization [UN]”

    All independent countries do, about 200 of them. Furthermore, Taiwan itself also cares VERY MUCH – they fought hard to keep the UN seat, didn’t they? So I have already proved to you there are things that independent country can do but Taiwan can’t, even if they want.

    “Taiwan can’t sign multilateral trade treaties like RCEP” – d dan

    “Out out appeasement to China, ” – chrimony

    Exactly. Because Taiwan belongs to China – it is not independent. Hahaha, you don’t even know you are arguing against yourself? That is very FUNNY.

    “But what about all the restrictions that North Korea and Iran are under because of the USA?”

    North Korea or Iran is not part of US, so US is obviously asserting extra-territorial jurisdiction. Everyone agrees about that. On the other hand, all countries agree that Taiwan is part of China (even Taiwan Constitution says that), and every international organizations recognize that too. So nobody accuses China of asserting extra-territorial jurisdiction – a “niceties” your clearly don’t understand again.

    ““Most”, that is, they are not an independent country.”

    Exactly. Both Hong Kong and Taiwan are not independent countries.

    “THAT is why they buy military weapons… ”

    Taiwan army couldn’t fight against communist 70 years ago when they had superiority in number and hardware. Obviously no one expect them to win today. Everyone knows that: Taiwan knows that, China knows that, US knows that. The weapon is for show – it seems you are the only one who still believe in fairy tale. Or at least pretend to believe.

    “… not because the US forces them to. ”

    Yes, they are. See previous point. US dares not even selling their best weapons like F35 or F22 because they know those weapons will be in Chinese hand soon, understand?

    “What a clown you are.”

    ad hominem already?

    “Are they so kind and generous?”

    Yes, they are. They treat Taiwan as part of China.

    “Politics is international. Anybody can call it like they see it.”

    Of course, you can choose to be belligerent to China. So stop your hypocrisy that China is the belligerent one.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @chrimony
  361. @Sick of Orcs

    One might say the same about your opinion.

    I gave you a slew of samples of China’s own technologies. Where is your evidence that China stole most, if not all, of its technologies?

    Where we disagree is the type of impact red china will ultimately have on the world. I believe it will be more negative than positive.

    China already pulled hundreds of millions of its own people out of poverty. Its BRI and AIIB will help people get out of poverty in other countries in the future. In comparison, it’s the U.S. that brought war and destruction all over the world after WW2.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  362. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    Obviously no one expect them to win today. Everyone knows that: Taiwan knows that, China knows that, US knows that. The weapon is for show – it seems you are the only one who still believe in fairy tale.

    Obviously, which is exactly why China can’t possibly claim that independent Taiwan would be in any way a threat to them. But weapons are not for show – they are for defense. The point of defense is not to beat the opponent but to make the conflict too costly (both in financial and political terms) for the aggressor to attempt in the first place.

    • LOL: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @d dan
  363. Smith says:
    @Showmethereal

    I said not one single korean gangster found defending the koreans in the 90s LA riot.

    And I said all these asian gangs are false bravados, doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor since they don’t do shit to protect anyone anyway. There’s a reason now they are only active mostly in East Asia & SEA because only us asians are dumb enough to pay these jokers protection money.

  364. Rdm says:

    Why do you guys argue with someone whose intention is not to learn, but just to rile up you guys and test?

    If Taiwanese really want to discuss, you guys know that Unz is not the place. There are many Chinese forums. The only person who would insist on ROC independence and push the idea that ROC has been independent for the last 70 years in entirely English forum which is also widely and subtly known as an enclave for conspiracy nitwits, and pulling up widely known MSMs narrative as facts to back up their thinly-veiled ignorance, is nothing but just to show off their worldly experience in reading up craps for the last 70 years.

    Xiamen supplying water to drought Taiwan, original 11- SCS dash line claimed by the then ROC and later reduced to 9 under Mao, some islands given to Vietnam and UNCLOS ruling rejected by both PRC and ROC. When PRC fought with Japan over Diaoyu/Senkaku islands, the island claimed by both, ROC was quiet because ROC damn well know that they don’t want to be an eyesore and let the PRC do the dirty job.

    ROC doesn’t want independence. ROC wants the entire Mainland China landmass. If you ignoramus think ROC wants independence, you’d better bend over and look in the mirror and check what you see. Every Taiwanese believe those living across the Taiwan Straits are racially and culturally brothers and sisters.

    If you retardo think PRC wants Singapore and Qing Emperor designed that way, eat some nuts because it helps your peanut sized brain grow bigger. There’s no PRC Chinese in Singapore preaching “Security is more important than Prosperity” and ask Singapore government to kick out American base there. When you combine ignoramus and retardoes, the world is your oyster.

    If ROC is so pure and PRC is so corrupt, … If, a big IF tomorrow the entire world represented by some retardoes here, is willingly let ROC become independent, claims all those islands so far up to Okinawa, recoup 11 SCS dash line, take back the gulf of Tonkin islands with their awesome fighters jet training, and the world will embrace with peace and prosperity, CCP will gladly and thankfully send you a bag of fortune cookies.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-loses-two-fighter-jets-apparent-collision-third-such-crash-six-months-2021-03-22/

    Ok I’m out. waste of time arguing this.

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  365. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “which is exactly why China can’t possibly claim that independent Taiwan would be in any way a threat to them.”

    Nobody is using that as argument for Taiwan being part of China. You are putting up a strawman argument.

    “The point of defense is not to beat the opponent but to make the conflict too costly…”

    If you think Taiwanese actually believe that it could make it too costly for China, then you are totally out of touch.

    It seems that both you and chrimony have little sense and only superficial knowledge of Taiwan and China, but have no problem throwing out totally ridiculous statements to embarrass yourselves. My advice:

    “It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.” – from some wise man

    • Replies: @raga10
  366. chrimony says:
    @Showmethereal

    Typical clown who has no real life experience shaped by geopolitics and war but calls issues related to it as petty. Sophomoric…
    So is repeating the same point because you don’t have an actual counterpoint aside rom what you hear on talk radio.

    You’re projecting. I repeat myself so much because your arguments are so bad, full of strawmen, misdirection, and denial of reality. When you brought the petty and stupid argument about demanding payment for “all the national loot taken to the island”, rather than acknowledge your pettiness and stupidity, you made yourself look MORE stupid by bringing up the imperialistic US Monroe Doctrine in a non sequitur, and then defending the Monroe Doctrine while at the same time claiming that China is not being imperialistic. Yes, you really are that stupid and petty.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  367. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “HAS TO?!? Do tell, what would US do if Taiwan decided not to buy any more weapons? Invade them? Pull McDonald’s from their market?”

    Are you kidding me? You really don’t know what US is capable of doing to other nations that defy them?

    Cheezzz, the more I read from both of you, the more surreal it becomes.

  368. d dan says:
    @Rdm

    “The only person who would insist on ROC independence and push the idea that ROC has been independent for the last 70 years in entirely English forum which is also widely and subtly known as an enclave for conspiracy nitwits, and pulling up widely known MSMs narrative as facts to back up their thinly-veiled ignorance, is nothing but just to show off their worldly experience in reading up craps for the last 70 years.”

    It is their enthusiasm to push the independence argument that makes me curious. Why is there a sudden burst of interests in Taiwan? No more genocide in Xinjiang? Also haven’t heard about the suffering Tibetans or democracy-loving Hong Kong protesters for a long time.

    These guys obviously don’t care nor know much about Taiwan or Chinese. But where did they crawl out from? New funding from Biden? NGO? Any guess from you?

    • Replies: @raga10
  369. chrimony says:
    @d dan

    All independent countries do, about 200 of them. Furthermore, Taiwan itself also cares VERY MUCH – they fought hard to keep the UN seat, didn’t they? So I have already proved to you there are things that independent country can do but Taiwan can’t, even if they want.

    You’re making a lot out of little. In day to day terms, the seat means practically nothing. Of course Taiwan would want the official recognition, but they carry on anyways, despite what others officially recognize.

    North Korea or Iran is not part of US, so US is obviously asserting extra-territorial jurisdiction. Everyone agrees about that.

    Err, what? Except a lot of countries go along with US sanctions. It’s the same situation as with China and Taiwan. Nobody forces countries to go along with US sanctions, but they do so out of appeasement. Even China has gone along with sanctions on North Korea from time to time.

    So nobody accuses China of asserting extra-territorial jurisdiction – a “niceties” your clearly don’t understand again.

    Puh-lease. Everybody plays along with paper formalities to please China, but unlike North Korea, Taiwan has a strong international economy, and unlike Hong Kong, they have their own military and purchase weapons despite China jumping up and down. And China knows if they went in militarily to take over Taiwan they would risk war with the US and international condemnation, in addition to any military losses they would incur.

    ad hominem already?

    Cry me a river. I received plenty of them already in this discussion from your fellow compatriot, and I let it slide. If I call you a clown you get the explanation as to why along with it.

    Yes, they are. They treat Taiwan as part of China.

    *snicker* Ohhh, how “kind and generous” of them.

    Of course, you can choose to be belligerent to China. So stop your hypocrisy that China is the belligerent one.

    “They cry out in pain as they strike you.”

    I’m not the one insisting on taking over somebody else’s territory and destroying a status quo after 70 years of independent rule. All I did is comment on China’s unnecessary and destructive aggression, and you guys wail and gnash your teeth in indignity.

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  370. Smith says:
    @Rdm

    You act like this and you ask why the chinese government doesn’t pay you.

    Man, respect your audience a little, earn your keep, or will you be doing this for free forever?

    Unlike raga or the guy above, I don’t give a rat ass about Taiwan independence, for me the taiwanese are even worse than the mainlanders considering they still believe in the bullshit 9, I mean 11 dash line. Seeing this guy’s butthurt for pointing out Taiwan and Singapore are chinese colonies planned by the chinese governments (Ming and Qing dynasty) is hilarious, that’s real history that chinese nationalists can’t even face.

    • LOL: Showmethereal
  371. denk says:
    @chrimony

    FUKUS sells weapons to TW to deter China invasion.

    There aint no PLA goons raping TW lassies , may be you should ask fukus to sell some weapons to the Okinawans.

    The Rev. Taira says the islanders have had enough. “The soldiers get drunk and crash their cars. There are four accidents a day; two rapes a month. Almost every person on Okinawa has a family member who has been assaulted. Then the soldiers go off to kill poor people in Iraq and Afghanistan. It makes my blood boil.

    https://apjjf.org/-David-McNeill/1768/article.html

    Better still, when’r the gringos gonna
    storm OKinawa beach to r2P the poor sods ?

  372. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    Nobody is using that as argument for Taiwan being part of China. You are putting up a strawman argument.

    Well, that would be one argument that could at least theoretically be plausible. None of the others make any sense whatsoever.

    If you think Taiwanese actually believe that it could make it too costly for China, then you are totally out of touch.

    Financially, probably not. Politically? It’s a different calculation. In any case, I don’t know what Taiwanese believe; I do know that is generally the purpose of weaker countries arming themselves against stronger ones they have no chance of actually beating on the battlefield.

    Are you kidding me? You really don’t know what US is capable of doing to other nations that defy them?

    I do. So I repeat, how do you think US would respond? They are not going to invade Taiwan – China would never put up with that, even I wouldn’t expect them to.
    And they are not going to ruin Taiwan economically because that would be a win for China.
    I’m sure Americans are only too happy to sell them weapons, but that’s just a cherry on top. Taiwan is still valuable to them both strategically and economically (semiconductors, right?) even if it doesn’t buy as much as a crossbow.

    “It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.” – from some wise man

    And yet here you are, posting.

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  373. Smith says:
    @Showmethereal

    Basically all the Kurosawa movies are more well-known than Hero or Crouching Tiger. Hero and Crouching Tiger come at a specific times when chinese culture is seen as exotic, both of these movies are super shallow which is why it’s not even well-remembered compared to Ran or Kagemusha. In fact, the Jackie Chan movies are more well-remembered and these films don’t even make box office success.

    Meanwhile anime has been popular among in the US for a long, long time, even back in the 80s. Practically the whole world knows Dragon Ball, Doraemon, not only the West, but in the Middle East and Latin America. And now anime is just destroying the new fanged chinese movies, at least in the US.

    You judge popularity by sales, never mind amount of piracy involved in anime, manga and movies. Now your sales argument got destroyed, you circle back to “doesn’t matter to me who watches”. Pathetic.

    And no, I don’t even know about Handsome Siblings or Nivarna on Fire, these series are mostly for chinese audience or people who are interested in chinese media in the first place. In Vietnam, HK TVB series from the 90s is more well-known (like the fabulous 97′ Demi-gods & Semi-devils), now we watch Korean dramas (I hate), Vietnamese dramas (I cringe) and japanese anime, all the recent chinese show suck with all the super dolled up actors and very shitty special effects.

    And no, it’s not a conspiracy theory that the Qing dynasty wanted to move people to Singapore, it’s their official policy as proven by my post above. You are just again, in denial.

  374. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    It is their enthusiasm to push the independence argument that makes me curious. Why is there a sudden burst of interests in Taiwan? No more genocide in Xinjiang?

    I can actually give you an answer for my personal “investment” in Taiwan . (It’s not that large, BTW – a couple of internet posts is about as far as it goes). I have two reasons: one, at one time I had a Taiwanese girlfriend; it wasn’t a very important or deep relationship, but it was a relationship all the same and that’s more than I can say about any mainland Chinese. Funnily enough, we didn’t really discuss Chinese politics and I couldn’t even tell you where she stood on the issue; for all I know she was pro-unification…

    Two, my own country had to fight for its independence more than once, so I’m somewhat sympathetic to Taiwan’s plight.

    On the other hand, I don’t particularly care about Uyghurs – they are Muslim; not my favourite faith, to put it politely.

  375. Malla says:
    @Ray Caruso

    Pakistan’s nukes are “reserved for India”? What does that mean?

    Pakistan’s nuke program was precisely to counter India’s nuke program. Simple as that. India’s nuke program was to feel like a big boy in the world and to destroy the “global nuclear weapons apartheid system of White and Yellow countries over nukes”, one of our nuclear scientist said the exact same thing at a BBC hard Talk Interview. See, Indian deep State are the descendants of upper caste Western educated elites who wanted to show Brit that they are just as good, this was out of a misunderstanding of the Dominion Status for India issue after WW1. These elites were the guys who led the Independence Struggle and that is why after they came to power at Independence, they went crazy to show Whitey and Yellow that they are good enough, it is a mania with which the Indian deep State is obsessed. That is why even though we have people shitting the streets, India has a space program, nuclear program, wants a aircraft carrier. But in their mania and stupidity they ignored the fact that an Indian nuke program was bound to trigger Pakistan’s nuke program, the Indian deep State did not expect Pakistan which they considered to be a Islamic monkey country made up of dumb jock Turko-Mughal Muslims and lower caste converts to manage to get a nuke. Obviously Pakistan and India got nuke tech somehow from the West or Russia. So when Pakistan got the nuke they were shocked and the now the Indian idiots realised what a bunch of idiots they are because now that made India’s conventional force advantage redundant and thus the dreams of getting all of Kashmir out of the window. Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is India centric, to counter India, that is it.

    India on the other hand is trying to isolate Pakistan, trying to show the world that Pakistan is an unstable country and thus needs to be denuclearised somehow. And Israel supports (and secretly works with) India in this as Israel may scream about Iran but it is not happy about a Muslim country Pakistan with nukes and long range missiles. India’s attempt to isolate Pakistan was going hunky dorky until China appeared on the scenes with bags of money and flattened all of India’s hard work in no time. Not only that as Iran went on the “other side” thanks to India lovey lovey with Murica, it is India which ended up being isolated from Central Asia!!! If Pakistan acts like a nuke thug threatening countries like Australia (I wonder if their missiles could reach Australia), this would be India’s opportunity to push the “Pakistan is rogue state” propaganda to the World and the Pakistanis know this. If Pakistan would do something so stupid, the Indian deep State folk and the RSS Hindutva folk would dance an Irish jig with their dhotis (loincloth) falling off all around. Hell they would be throwing their loincloths up in the air with joy. And Pakistan knows this. This plus the rivalry with nuclear India means a sensible Pakistani Government cannot go around threatening non Indian nations with a nuclear trump card. They are trapped with us.

    You obviously have a very low IQ and a severe case of Dunning-Kruger’s, so I didn’t read your post beyond that.

    Sorry for the harsh words I used in my earlier response. I behaved like an idiot.

  376. Bork says:
    @raga10

    Was this before or after Chinese sent fully loaded aircraft carrier with escort of several smaller ships to menace Japan?

    (that was a rhetorical question, BTW. The answer is, “after”)

    The chinks live in Chinkland, which lies right next to Taiwan which is just south of Japan. Taiwan is also inhabited by some kind of amphibious island chink who has developed great skill in etching microprocessors and making LCD panels. These two kinds of chinks squabble about shit that happened in the chink civil war 70 years ago while furiously doing business with each other.

    Meanwhile, the mutts sends carriers into areas like the Baltic, which is 7000 kilometers from the shores of Muttmerica, because MUH FREEDOM, while raping eastern Europe with muttmerican financial schemes and filling western Europe with twin legged rape machines displaced by the mutt eternal wars in the middle east. The muttmerican embassy in every nation in the world is the local center for globohomo propaganda and globohomo lobbyism. I think these mutts need to be smacked down so that they stop going around subverting and picking fights with everyone.

  377. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “None of the others make any sense whatsoever.”

    Of course, there are plenty of valid arguments for non-independence. If you are not aware of them, then you are quite ignorant, as I already suspect. For examples:

    1. The preferences of the people from BOTH sides (not just the Taiwan sides).
    2. The Constitutions, the ultimate laws of the lands (again, from both sides).
    3. The historical and cultural links of the peoples.
    4. The precedence it would set for other parts of China, or even other parts of the world – that Taiwan was prevented from unification with China due to foreign powers (first by Imperial Japan before WW2, and then by US from 1950 – today). This will legitimize any future foreign interferences to break off China or any nations. Should China be allowed to send troop into India or Vietnam to support their separatists, for examples, to break them into pieces? Can Russia help Scotland to gain independence by sending in their warships to threaten London? I am very sure China can afford to fund (or even militarily help) a separatist group to any country, including yours, very easily.
    5. It breaks the international rules as recognize by UN (non-interference of other nations affairs).
    6. It contradicts prevailing consensus among all sovereignty nations that there is one China, and Taiwan is part of China.

    Even though Taiwan itself can’t threaten China militarily, there are other security considerations for an independent Taiwan, e.g.
    1. Taiwan can be used as political model to export color-revolution to China.
    2. Taiwan is the ideal propaganda base by exploiting the similarity of the people/culture and yet differences in political system (imagine the Hong Kong riots x 100000 bigger)
    3. Taiwan can be used as base for espionage to spy on China (as US has been doing for a long time in the past from Taiwan), placing enormous cost to the strategic nuclear security of China, for example.
    4. Taiwan, together with Japan and Philippines, can be used as part of naval blockade to China.
    5. Taiwan can be used as military base by US, an unsinkable carrier in time of war.

    “I do. So I repeat, how do you think US would respond? They are not going to invade Taiwan – China would never put up with that, even I wouldn’t expect them to.
    And they are not going to ruin Taiwan economically because that would be a win for China.”

    As I said, you don’t understand. US could do a color-revolution, for example. A new political opposition party can occur to claim election fraud overnight. An assassination (oops, I mean suicide…, oops, I mean car accident) to the President. On milder scale, a tariff on some of the election sensitive sectors of the Taiwan’s products,… etc. On the flip side, US also has abundant ways to reward those willing to cooperate, e.g. a special awards, medals, bribe, oops I mean some stocks grants, corporate directorship, or joint ventures, scholarship for children in Harvard,… etc.

    That fact that you have to keep asking this multiple times when there are so many possibilities tells me you never have deeper thinking on the US-China-Taiwan relationship before this exchange.

    “… at one time I had a Taiwanese girlfriend;”

    All the more important that you should let Chinese settle their own political difference themselves, rather than actively interfering in something you have little understanding.

    “Two, my own country had to fight for its independence more than once, so I’m somewhat sympathetic to Taiwan’s plight.”

    Without even knowing the name of your country, I can confidently state 2 points: China never did any harm to your country, and your country’s situation was/is very different than the Taiwan/China. So, that is definitely a misplaced sympathy.

    Finally, you think you are helping the Taiwanese? No, you don’t. China had been reaching out to Taiwan, patiently for over 70 years for a peaceful reunification. China offered almost every types of economical and political incentives, where everything was negotiable but they had all been unreasonably rejected by Taiwan: 1 country 2 system, No? Enhanced 1 country 2 systems, No? Allow Taiwan to keep its army, No? Change the name of the country, the flag, the national anthem, the Constitutions of PRC, No? Create hybrid political party, No…

    For a long time, Taiwan not only had a very strong hand in the negotiation table to keep almost everything they treasured, but even had the chance to affect the evolution and development of future political system in the mainland. But they never serious took up those opportunities. Why? Foreign interferences and supports created the arrogance and false sense of security.

    So now China is losing patience, and China is growing stronger while US becomes weaker. Most moderate Chinese are fed up. The doves are hiding and the hawks are rising. China has withdrew most offers, and tighten the military grip – and you foreigners still think you guys are helping.

    What a bunch of idiots. If the war breaks out, I blame the foreigners for the Chinese blood spilt.

    • Replies: @raga10
  378. Bork says:
    @Majority of One

    Their civil defense protection for citizens is also lightyears beyond that of the U$ and their NATO allies. Only Western power which might be in the same general league is Sweden.

    Uh, no. With the collapse of the Soviet union everything civil defense related was scrapped. Swedish apartment house constructions used to have a nuclear safe bunker in the basement with blast doors and everything, but the requirement to build such was abandoned 30 years ago. The house I live in was built in the early 90’s and it was finished without a shelter.

    We had 9 million full face gas masks but they were all “scrapped” (burnt) ten years ago because it cost $1 million/year to warehouse them. When corona hit it was revealed that in 1990 we had 10x more of these breathing machines than we have today, everything was scrapped to save on the tiny cost of storage or sold for pennies to insiders who sold them abroad at 10000% markup. When conscription was abolished 20 years ago enormous amounts of pristine trucks and other logistics gear was sold for next to nothing and exported abroad, several hundreds of brand new scania diesel trucks from 1970 that were stored in dry conditions were bought by insiders and exported to areas like Brazil and resold with massive markups.

    Americans have no idea how dilapidated Sweden really is, we have tons of homeless, we have loitering negroes, we have an increasingly dysfunctional school system, we have a hopelessy credit-poisoned housing market (american financial schemes you know), we have high criminal zones populated by third worlders with daily shootings, our academia is infested with marxists and all the toxic ideas that wreck us are imported from America and promoted by the American embassy and local morons who have “studied” in America. Yeah, I know, “its the jews”, but they have fucked you up and you insist on spreading their shit under your label and you do it willingly, sooooooo….. death to America. Sorry, but it’s not personal. Death to America. Death to America. You have to fucking die because being allied to your judeo-christian infected crazyland is like being an enemy to a normal nation.

    • Replies: @Malla
  379. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    Anglos don’t have much Native American genes because they exterminated the Indians. But Mexicans do have Mesoamerican genes because the Spanish settlers intermarried with the indigenous Mexicans. Most native Mexicans today are mixed-race mestizos with Whites or criollos and indios or indigenous Mexicans comprising the rest of the population.

    • Replies: @Smith
  380. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    Of course, there are plenty of valid arguments for non-independence.

    Sorry I’m not going to address those arguments point by point, but generally speaking, the past is not a valid reason for making changes going forward and it is usually the form of argument the stronger side presents because status-quo favours their side.

    Even though Taiwan itself can’t threaten China militarily, there are other security considerations for an independent Taiwan, e.g.

    Those arguments are somewhat valid, but they hold equally true in present situation, formal independence for Taiwan would not change anything.

    US could do a color-revolution, for example. A new political opposition party can occur to claim election fraud overnight.

    Yes, US could do all that but destabilising Taiwan politically, just like harming it economically, would benefit China more than it would USA.

    Without even knowing the name of your country, I can confidently state 2 points: China never did any harm to your country, and your country’s situation was/is very different than the Taiwan/China. So, that is definitely a misplaced sympathy.

    You are right; China never harmed my country. To be fair, it never had a chance… but you might be right, perhaps my sympathy is misplaced. I’m a softie, what can I say? As I said, me and my GF never really discussed Chinese politics, but I do remember that she always referred to herself as Taiwanese and not Chinese and whenever someone referred to her as such, she would get the same look on her face that Canadians get when someone takes them for Americans 🙂

    rejected by Taiwan: 1 country 2 system

    Rightly so, because that’s the biggest sham going. “1 country 2 system” is by definition unworkable in the long run; it should be more appropriately named, “bend over now and we will fuck you later”.

    Finally, you think you are helping the Taiwanese?

    Not really, I think I’m just shooting the breeze on the forum.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @d dan
  381. raga10 says:
    @raga10

    the past is not a valid reason for making changes going forward

    Duh, I managed to say the exact opposite of what I meant. It should read: “the past is not a valid reason for NOT making changes going forward”

  382. @mike99588

    Lies amd more lies. China doesnt look that aggressife to its neighbors. Most of the fishing vessels seized for illegal fishing are Vietnamese. Vietnam also seized more of the Spratly islands than anybody else. Nobody made any noise about China reclaiming land because it was proof China wpuld rather do that than physcially dislodge its neighbors. The MSM and AFP and Radio Free etc drum up the medka blitz.

    You also seem to not know that the original dash line was made by the ROC government who rules in Taiwan that some of the people on here are claiming is independent.. Beijing simply carried on the legal claims after it was recognized as the new Chinese government.

    The situation got heated because the US decided to stick its nose. As the Syrian and Pakistani envoys who just visited Xinjiang gave interviews and their reports on what they saw – they noted the reasons why they believed the US waz targeting Xinjiang with lies. They named several – one of which was oil. They noted its not that the US wants or needs the oil – they simply dont want China to have it. Same exact scenario in the SCS

  383. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    The quote came from your post which says emigration was restricted by the Qing dynasty until 1893 which implies that the ‘coolie trade’ was ILLEGAL.

    Except they turned a blind eye to it despite the trade being ILLEGAL, and then the Qing proceed to legalize the trade in 1893.

    The Qing dynasty could not ‘enforce nor facilitate’ the coolie trade because China did rule over Singapore, Penang and other British colonies.

    They literally could by giving people to Brit ships which ship them there, Qing sold coolies to the British empire, it’s not a secret. And once the coolies and chinese merchants arrive in Singapore, the Qing start to ask for protection money.

    European nations actually banned their citizens from emigrating to the USA. But lots of European criminals did anyway.

    So the US is responsible for its own colonization? One could say the Singapore government at the time, by the brits, and then chinese also encouraged emigration, especially from China, Lee Kuan Yew wanted the vote.

    China did not and has never invaded, conquered nor colonized any SEA country. Your reasoning is flawed. That’s like saying African countries colonized America, Haiti, Dominican Republic and Brazil because there are lots of Blacks who live in those countries.

    Not sure about those cases, but for Singapore and Taiwan, the chinese government had a direct hand-in on why there are chinese there in the first place, and profited from it, thus it’s colonization.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  384. @chrimony

    For you not to know that reparations are often a part of war settlements but to call someone else stupid is the height of irony. The fact you call war reparations petty shows you know nothing of how the world works. Go live a little in the real world.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  385. @raga10

    Name one nation that allows independence talk. Just one…

    And go ask Turkey – a US NATO ally whag happens if you buy weapons from Russia instead of from them.

    And you again are clueless of the history. The US armed the ROC in the civil war. The ROC had the bigger army and US weapons and still lost. Truman wanted to abandon them altogether but his advisors won him over that continuing to arm them on Taiwan – which the US had military bases u til the 1970’s would allow them to have something to prick the PRC with. Absolutely nothing has changed. Lobby your government to accept anyone who wants to leave instead of selling weapons if you want peace.

    You obviously know nothing about the situation. Its like me going to try to tell the Balkans how to resolve their issue. Im not that arrogant to speak on things I dont know firsthand about.

  386. @last straw

    I gave you a slew of samples of China’s own technologies. Where is your evidence that China stole most, if not all, of its technologies?

    Generally speaking, if another country made it first, it’s not a Chinese invention.

    “Even as we speak, the FBI has about 1,000 investigations involving China’s attempted theft of U.S.-based technology, in all 56 of our field offices, spanning almost every industry and sector.”

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/responding-effectively-to-the-chinese-economic-espionage-threat

    Where we disagree is the type of impact red china will ultimately have on the world. I believe it will be more negative than positive.

    China already pulled hundreds of millions of its own people out of poverty.

    Which the USA has been doing for most of its history.

    Its BRI and AIIB will help people get out of poverty in other countries in the future.

    At what price? Their people forced to join the communist social credit system?

    In comparison, it’s the U.S. that brought war and destruction all over the world after WW2.

    In some ways true. The difference is Americans can criticize their government without fear of being carted away to a reducation camp or worse (for now.)

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @last straw
  387. Malla says:
    @Bork

    Wait, once upon a time you Scandis were all uber-libtard looking down upon Murica for their “raceees treatment of the poor negroes”. Sending the greatest foreign aid per capita to the dark continent in history to increase their population, which nature would have culled. Now your own cities are infested by darkie barbarian hordes raping and killing and now you experience what White muricans faced decades ago. Road to hell paved with good intentions and all that.
    The truth is after WW2, “freedom lovin” Muricans made “stuck up” Euros feel backward and not so cool. So Euros went super leftist so that they could now look down upon evul Republican Murica. Both Euro and Murica destroyed each other and destroyed South Africa too in the process. Funny actually.

  388. Malla says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    That chair looks medieval. Imagine that, put in medieval chairs for complaining about the Poleeece. That is why I say send the US ghetto jungle black hordes to China, only China with its medieval chairs can tame them. Whitey is tooo nice. Darkie no respec Whitey no mo.
    Or outsource policing and justice department w.r.t darkies in the West, to the Chinese under the new “Department of minority relationships and security” of Western countries. The darky barbarian hordes in the West would be tamed and the Chinese would make money by selling organs to slimey Israelis. This is what they call Win-Win.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  389. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    The British recruited those Chinese coolies in cahoots with Chinese human smugglers. Same thing happened with Indian indentured servants who were recruited by the British to to work not only in SEA but also in Africa, Caribbean, Middle East, Pacific Islands, etc. Not to mention the African slaves brought to the Americas. The British Empire — not China, not India and not Africa — were responsible for the colonization of those places where the Chinese coolies, Indians indentured servants and African slaves went to work. Half of Brazilians are Blacks who descended from African slaves. Are you saying that Africa colonized Brazil?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Smith
  390. @Desert Fox

    Yes, and I’m hoping that another observations holds true: the American sheeple will go along with the masking fraud, but when asked to fight for their overlords, they will try to run and hide. I think that anyone too scared to investigate anything for themselves lack the moral courage to go to war in support of the latest myth pushed by the zionists.

    Of course, like you, I ain’t holding my breath over here.

  391. @antibeast

    I was reading John Coleman’s Conspirator’s Hierarchy : The Committee of 300 where he writes that he found documents in the India Office in London showing that Christian missionaries, both men and women, were sent to China to promote opium use and teach the Chinese how to smoke opium on behalf of the East India Company. Very insidious: with a Bible in one hand and an opium pipe in another.

    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  392. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “the past is not a valid reason….”

    Firstly, past history is VERY important in Chinese culture – this is something Taiwanese agree too.. Again, as I said, you are quite insensitive to Chinese thinking.

    Secondly, at least more than half of my points is about, or do have implication to future (e.g. setting precedence to break off China or other nations, etc)

    “Yes, US could do all that but destabilising Taiwan politically, just like harming it economically, would benefit China more than it would USA.”

    If you are not willing to accept the argument that US can and will harm country that they dislike, there is nothing I can convince you. You think US care about long term consequences to the said country?

    ” “1 country 2 system” is by definition unworkable in the long run; it should be more appropriately named, “bend over now and we will fuck you later”.”

    Firstly, I think you are brainwashed by most Western media about 1 country 2 systems, and from all your other arguments, likely very ignorant of the details.

    Secondly, as I said, go ahead to improve, modify, change the systems, or start from scrap – Taiwan was not even OPEN for discussion. It tells you how insincere and arrogant they were.

    “Not really, I think I’m just shooting the breeze on the forum.”

    I think you are quite ignorant of the complicated issues and history. As I say, the best way is to help your friends and other Chinese is to keep quiet. Most moderate Chinese are fair minded and not interested in war or to hurt other Chinese. Foreign involvement is making the situation worse.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
    , @raga10
  393. @Malla

    Your post reminded me of one of Trump’s early blunders. Three of our kollij nigsketballers, while visiting china, stole some items from a store and got caught. The Chinese were prepared to lock them up for years but Trump asked Winnie the Xi to release them. Later Trump got in a tweet battle with lavar ball, one of the thieves’ famous faddas. Trump should’ve asked for White prisoners to be released instead.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  394. Alfred says:
    @Stebbing Heuer

    The less red dirt we ship, the less US$ income, the lower our exchange rate, the more profitable it becomes to manufacture those items here.

    Sorry mate. It seems they taught you the financial version of economics – not the industrial version of economics. That way of thinking will result in you going the way of Saudi Arabia and Nigeria.

    In Australia, the knowledge has gone. The skills have gone with my generation. The youngsters have no idea how anything is made any more. They think that iPhones come from the shop.

    The Australian dollar is grossly overvalued. For fun, I just did a check on some “New Balance” shoes on ebay.com.au and on a Russian website. The Australian shoes are twice the price at current exchange rates. The price of electricity is 5 times that in Russia – 30 US cents versus 5 US cents per KWh.

    Here you can compare the cost of living of Melbourne with Kiev.

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Melbourne
    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Kiev?displayCurrency=AUD

    A meal for 2 in Melbourne is A$87 and in Kiev it is A$35 – 2.4 times as much. Property prices are probably 5 times as much. Even crap Australian farm land costs a heck of a lot more than the best soil in the world – which is to be found in Ukraine.

    Take away oil imports for a few weeks and Australia will be prostrate. Making enemies with your biggest customer is the dumbest thing that anyone could dream up. I am glad to be out of that deluded place. 🙂

  395. chrimony says:
    @Showmethereal

    For you not to know that reparations are often a part of war settlements but to call someone else stupid is the height of irony. The fact you call war reparations petty shows you know nothing of how the world works.

    Having never recovered from the self-own of bringing up the Monroe Doctrine, now you triple down on your pettiness and stupidity. Only a petty and stupid person would demand “war reparations” to agree to the status quo after winning a revolution 70 years ago that relegated the losing side to an island off the coast.

  396. @d dan

    Yeah you cant blame them for not having a clue. They will argue they never negotiated because they wanted independence. But that would be utterly false. They didnt negotiate – because they and Washington – expected the CPC to collapse “any day now” and they would simply take back all of China. It wasnt until about 2000 when they realized that wasnt going to happen the blue and green camps split. The KMT began to draw closer and increase ties while the DPP starting talking independence. Now they tell everyone a fake history about 2 different countries for 70 years. Its nonsense.

    And yes it was arrogance. Lee Kwan Yew told them it was inevitable the PRC would rise so it was better to negotiate back then. In his memoirs He said Deng gave him messages for Chiang’s son and he just ignored him. I guess the State Department in Washington told him to keep quiet. I wonder if that was before or after he ordered that assassination in California..?? Probably after so he had to be on best behavior in doing Washington’s will. Or maybe he just was that arrogant.

    • Replies: @d dan
  397. @Sick of Orcs

    Generally speaking, if another country made it first, it’s not a Chinese invention.

    Not a Chinese invention does not mean China stole it. Why does China have to start everything from scratch? You don’t start from scratch unless you have to, otherwise you are just wasting your time and money and being stupid.

    “Even as we speak, the FBI has about 1,000 investigations involving China’s attempted theft of U.S.-based technology, in all 56 of our field offices, spanning almost every industry and sector.”

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/responding-effectively-to-the-chinese-economic-espionage-threat

    China bashing and FBI witch hunt is not evidence of China stealing technologies. Where are the actual cases filed in court? None. BTW, commercial and industrial espionage have been universal since there was commerce and industries.

    At what price? Their people forced to join the communist social credit system?

    Joining BRI and borrowing money from AIIB for the construction of infrastructure will force you to join the social credit system? Don’t be deliberately obtuse. It’s annoying.

    The difference is Americans can criticize their government without fear of being carted away to a reducation camp or worse (for now.)

    So what? You personal opinion about your government won’t matter the least bit. Free speech could not prevent all the destruction the U.S. brought to this world after WW2. It cannot even prevent all the domestic problems in the US, from police and gun violence to racial unrest. Free speech is overrated.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  398. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    Firstly, I think you are brainwashed by most Western media about 1 country 2 systems, and from all your other arguments, likely very ignorant of the details.

    A country *is* a system, so saying “1 country 2 systems” is saying “1 country 2 countries”… which is false arithmetic and logic, nonsensical on any level. It’s an empty slogan.

    the best way is to help your friends and other Chinese is to keep quiet.

    I don’t think silence in the face of aggression ever helped a victim; not that I think posting on UNZ is going to be of much assistance. China is on the way to becoming an imperialist bully and like all bullies, the only thing it will understand is a fist in the face. The fact that the same can be said about USA doesn’t make that statement any less true.

    That’s all folks, I’m out.

    • Replies: @d dan
  399. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “A country *is* a system, so saying “1 country 2 systems” is saying “1 country 2 countries”…”

    False logic of course. Are you saying every country in the world adopts the SAME system throughout their entire territory? This is obviously false, that is why your reasoning is so easily proven wrong.

    “aggression ever helped a victim…”

    And you definitely know who is the aggressor and who is the victim when you know so little? Talking about hubris.

    “China is on the way to becoming an imperialist bully and like all bullies”

    A sweeping statement without much factual supports, of course.

    • Replies: @raga10
  400. d dan says:
    @Showmethereal

    “Yeah you cant blame them for not having a clue.”

    It is amazing that these people can talk so much with so strong conviction on thing they know so little. Having a girl friend from Taiwan? His country was invaded? So he should support Taiwanese independence? What the f…?

    And he is actually the more sincere one among the two trolls here – at least he tries to share his motivation – no matter how superficial it is. The other guy just keep claiming because that is what is actually occurring on the ground – as if that is even an argument for independence.

    ” They didnt negotiate – because they and Washington – expected the CPC to collapse “any day now” and they would simply take back all of China. It wasnt until about 2000 …”

    Those details are already too complicated and boring to the trolls in Unz.

    “He said Deng gave him messages for Chiang’s son and he just ignored him. “

    Deng’s time was probably the best time for Taiwan to negotiate because they just recovered from Cultural Revolution. But they really looked down on mainland at that time.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  401. @last straw

    Free speech is overrated.

    shitlib (((social media))) tyrants don’t agree with you. They are terrified of the free exchange of thoughts and ideas. A legit government isn’t threatened by ideas, cabals of thugs are.

    None of this is worth getting upset over, btw. red china will probably survive without your defending it.

  402. raga10 says:
    @d dan

    OK, one last time…

    Are you saying every country in the world adopts the SAME system throughout their entire territory?

    No, what I am saying is that you can have different rules within the same country for trivial issues, but you quickly run into limits in more important matters. People who want to wear pointy hats can co-exist with people who want to wear flat hats, but you can’t have for example Scotland belong to post-Brexit UK, and to be in EU at the same time. “1 country 2 systems” is a fiction; sooner or later – usually sooner – one system is going to assert its rules over the other.

    (BTW, I would fully support Scottish independence; if that’s what they want, that’s what they should have. That’s my position on all minorities; I don’t believe in keeping anyone where they don’t want to be and if that leads to 1,000 separate countries, so be it. Current situation doesn’t seem to work very well either, maybe it’s time to try something different.)

    As for Taiwan, it makes no difference how they felt 20 years ago; it is more important how they feel now and going into the future. To stick with Scottish example, just because they voted to stick with UK at one point does it mean they can never change their position? (Especially when the first vote was pre-Brexit, an event that changed the situation quite dramatically) According to your logic, they couldn’t. I say that they can.

    A sweeping statement without much factual supports, of course.

    Yes, because it was not meant to be an argument but a summary of my position, since I was about to sign out. And now I really am signing out, it’s been fun but I just have nothing more to say and nobody is going to change anybody’s mind anyway.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @d dan
  403. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    Early on, the chinese human smugglers were ignored by the Qing authority, because the Qing authority benefited from the smuggling, aside from the cash, they also pushing out dissidents, unemployed people, they also can use these people as agents in Singapore and thus colonizing Singapore.

    Later on, this becomes a legal policy, and as repeated for the 3rd time, they ENCOURAGED people go to there.

    The chinese migration to Singapore is not only coolies, but also merchants. And it is the merchants who are the ruling class of Singapore, having connection to the existing trade route, the chinese authority, the british authority. Lee Kuan Yew is descended from a merchant family and he himself had British education.

    This is a quite bit different than the African slaves, because they never have much connection to the homeland, as much as the chinese merchants.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  404. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    Nope, you’re wrong. That’s like saying Germany or Ireland colonized the USA because German or Irish immigrants flooded into America in the 19th century. You still haven’t acknowledged that the Qing dynasty forbade Chinese emigration until 1893. But the British started recruiting Chinese coolies after Raffles founded Singapore as a port city way back in 1819. The reason is that Singapore was sparsely populated at the time due to warfare from the Majapahit and later the Dutch. The original inhabitants of Singapore moved to Malacca after the Temasek King established the Sultanate of Malacca there. So of course the Qing dynasty would later lift the restrictions on emigration to SEA as ‘Overseas Chinese’ communities had already formed there.

    Your reasoning is flawed. There were other Asian immigrants to the Straits Settlements after the British had established their colonies such as Indians, Arabs, Persians, Thais, Indonesians, etc. The British recruited Indians far more than Chinese after the abolition of African slavery because they needed the Indian workers throughout the British Empire in Africa, SEA, Caribbean, Pacific Islands such as Malaysia, Mauritius, Trinidad and Tobago, Fiji, etc.

    Anyway, this is my last post on this topic as you’re obviously confused. Nobody on this planet believes that the Qing dynasty ‘colonized’ the Straits Settlements of Singapore, Penang, etc. Everyone knows the historical fact that the British recruited Chinese coolies who were brutally exploited by Chinese smugglers to work in the mines and plantations there. You can blame the Chinese smugglers or the Chinese coolies but the fault lies with the British who founded the Straits Settlements.

    By the way, the reason why the Malays became Muslims was due to the Arabs who settled in SEA. Before then, the Malays were Hindus and Buddhists. Now, it’s the Indians and Chinese who are Hindus and Buddhists, respectively.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Maowasayali
  405. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “No, what I am saying is that you can have different rules within the same country for trivial issues, but you quickly run into limits in more important matters. “

    No, you are not arguing about “important” vs “un-important” issues, you are arguing about “exclusive” vs “non-exclusive” issues. An exclusive issue excludes incompatible existence. Using your example, if someone insist ALL hats must be pointy, then it clearly is not going to co-exist with people who want flat hat in the same country. This has nothing to do with being important or un-important.

    ” sooner or later – usually sooner – one system is going to assert its rules over the other.”

    By that argument, there should be no country in the world, because there is always possibility of disagreement between any 2 people. So, either 1 country 2 systems works, or else no country in the world will work.

    “if that leads to 1,000 separate countries, so be it.”

    Yes, for people living in utopia, or rather, dreaming in utopia. The ideal is superficially and morally comforting, but extremely naive, unrealistic and even dangerous. The world hasn’t worked in the way you wish for thousands of years, and it won’t be for thousands more. Firstly, it won’t be 1,000 countries, but likely much more, potentially millions or even billions. Secondly, the world will be more chaotic, more dangerous and even more prone to wars. There will be no possibility of global agreement to solve common human problems (e.g. the fight against Covid-19 or other diseases, arm controls, nuclear non-proliferation, defense against asteroid, pollution, rising sea level and climate change – if you believe this one). For examples, it took multiple decades for the world to sign the laws of sea (UNCLOS) for 200 countries, and even today, many countries still couldn’t rectify it – imagine you have thousands or millions countries. And finally, assuming magically every country can live peacefully, the world of trade, commerce, investments, globalization, tourism, cultural exchange, international studies and research, inter-group marriages, etc would be much more complicated, inefficient and full of loopholes, unfairness and injustice. For example, if you want to import pork from nearby Italian town, you may need to fill in 20 forms to transit through the three Muslim-istans, the two mini-Chinatown republics, and dozens of Balkan and European states. Everyone will be much more worse off.

    “As for Taiwan, it makes no difference how they felt 20 years ago; it is more important how they feel now and going into the future. “

    Firstly, as I said before, the past is important in Chinese culture. Tradition and precedence is the anchor to a lot of values that Chinese treasure. It is not a matter of right vs wrong, it is a matter of respect for differences – to foreign concepts that you don’t understand. Secondly, the feeling for future should including that of Chinese from mainland too, not just Taiwanese.

    “China is on the way to becoming an imperialist bully and like all bullies” – raga10

    “A sweeping statement without much factual supports” – d dan

    “it was not meant to be an argument but a summary of my position, since I was about to sign out” – raga10

    I am NOT arguing against your lack of supporting facts, but rather claiming that your statement contradicts existing objective evidences and facts according to current China’s behaviors.

    “And now I really am signing out, it’s been fun”

    And good luck with your Taiwanese friend. If you disagree with her, I hope you respect her preference because it is her native country, not yours.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  406. d dan says:
    @raga10

    “To stick with Scottish example, just because they voted to stick with UK at one point does it mean they can never change their position?”

    Forget to reply to this point. It is good you support your ideal for Scotland independence, but would you agree to foreign interference to Scotland independence issue? Would you still support Scotland independence if your ideological foes or enemy from FOREIGN countries has set up countless NGOs, infiltered with spies and political agents into Scotland broadcasting 24/7 about the evilness of your favorite political parties? Would you support the independence if corruption, coercion and military actions have been involved in the independence movements for over 70 years? Would you still support the movement if they are not genuinely of native and domestic nature?

    Intellectual honest answers should be NOs.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
  407. Smith says:
    @antibeast

    I would agree that the arabs/muslim indians indeed colonized the malays.

    But I would also say the brits and then chinese colonized Singapore.

    Both statements aren’t contradictory, the chinese can indeed learn from the brits on how to colonize. After all, the 11-dash-line by ROC and 9-dash-line and PRC are learned from the brits’s legal naval navigation (before the chinese assumed all under heaven belong to China).

    It is undeniable considering the relationship between the Qing and the chinese merchants. The human smugglers could be easily stopped if the Qing was as thorough with them like them with the chinese revolutionaries like Sun Yat Sen. But no, it didn’t happen because these smugglers are in cahoot with the authority.

    I’d remind you that you are basically defending the Qing, and not the PRC here. And the Qing at the end stage is a rotten, imperialist entity.

  408. Malla says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Your post in turn reminds me of the huge efforts the British Government made in trying to secure the release of a British citizen of Pakistani descent, Akmal Shaikh, from death row in China for a serious drugs charge while ignoring similar White British prisoners in Indonesian prisons. Yet the UK is racist against darkies, we hear!!! LOL The British Government and British Pakistani organisations screeched and screamed that he had mental problems etc… which is all bullshit, how does a mentally retarded guy manage to get drugs into China like that in the first place? The Chinese Government simply want ahead with their execution of Akmal Shaikh after approval from China’s Supreme People’s Court. China confirmed the execution and defended its use of capital punishment as a deterrent, saying evidence of Shaikh’s mental illness was “insufficient”. The then British Prime Minister Brown said he was “appalled and disappointed”. At the very same time, there were White Britons on death-row in Indonesia for similar charges and the British Government did nothing of the sort for them.

    People have to follow the laws of the lands either China or Indonesia, no problem with that but why this discrimination where the British Government goes overdrive to save a darky British citizen but ignores native Britons in similar predicament?

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
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  409. @d dan

    The other ploy the media uses is always insert “democracy” whenever discussing the two sides. They fail to point out thag just like in South Korea – Taiwan was forced to offer democracy and was under martial law for decades. Its a joke. Many would argue the island has stopped improving since then.

  410. @Malla

    To borrow a term from Unz contributor Linh Dinh, both Britain and the US (and Canada) are ‘Jew-screwed. ‘

  411. @antibeast

    The train was an American invention, and since modern Japan exists because of the West, theft of Japanese-improved Western tech is essentially ripping off Western inventions.

    Electric trains were an American invention?

    Not what I wrote.

    And high-speed rail was a Japanese-improved version of Western tech?

    If you count Germany as the West, yes.

    So you’re claiming now that China ripped off a US invention which was improved by the Japanese but has yet to be launched in the USA?

    Electric is not a US invention, it’s a Western one. Crooked red china does not respect intellectual property rights, no communist nation does. They are a thieving menace to Western tech in every field.

    The USA does not need hi-speed rail so it hasn’t been built.

    Communism is an evil relic of a bygone era. China had to become capitalist to even exist in its present form.

    You must be a Yank suffering from a nervous breakdown.

    Not an argument. You’re upset about something, do you feel red china has been given an unfair rap?

  412. Bork says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Beneath this ceaseless Western aggression, the vicious lies, the stinking hypocrisy, the villainous bigotry and crass envy at China’s progress lie two great horrors-fear and race hatred.

    No. That is crackpottery. The real world reason is that China has said “no” to Wall Street. “Our loot is our loot bro, you got to get your own”. But Wall Street can only take, not make, and with America increasingly looking like a desiccated husk, the end of the dollar hegemony nears, and with that the end of the carry trade and the making and unmaking of global economic trends. Chink minds have not been warped into insanity by christianity, the chink is clear eyed and see what is happening in the West and who is behind it, and they will absolutely not allow the worlds most infamous organized crime ethnic mafia to take root in China.

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  413. Bork says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    What caste are you rags? I bet you’re a Brahmin-the pitiful arrogance is text-book.

    Please control your racist outbursts and check that colonial supremacist view plz. Your kind always hoist themselves on their own petards because you are false, it is all a theater act, things you say to get social credit points among your equally insane peers.

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  414. @Ray Caruso

    Just because Pakistan’s nuclear weapons were initially produced to counter India’s, it doesn’t mean they can’t eventually be used for nuclear blackmail against a weak, dumb, arrogant, and underpopulated country like Australia. Mind you, I’m not saying Pakistan will do this. China remains Australia’s likeliest future overlord, but once the US goes full Venezuela and their tranny-ridden military loses what little effectiveness it still has, there is no reason why Pakistan (or India) couldn’t do that to Australia. Save China wanting Australia for itself, that is.

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    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  415. Malla says:
    @Ray Caruso

    Maybe when the USA goes down in civil war, Australian troops should go in and get some nukes from Murica. Japan needs to get them nukes too, so does South Korea. Maybe Vietnam as well as European nations as well.
    Murica is going down (unless Whites can wrest out a portion for their homeland.), nukes are no use for Murica except to terrorize other. Those nukes would be better served as defensive deterrence by other countries.
    Australia is slowly becoming one more multiracial multicultural hellhole with Sudanese and Lebanese gangs terrorizing everybody and where the growing Indian and Chinese communities would take it over from within via lobby groups and clan networks. Indians in power positions and Sudanese gangs running around? On the way to become third world. No way out. So Australia’s future will be some Balkanised English speaking Venezuela, who would sell their resources to East Asian powers.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
  416. Malla says:
    @d dan

    ideological foes or enemy from FOREIGN countries has set up countless NGOs, infiltered with spies and political agents into Scotland broadcasting 24/7 about the evilness of your favorite political parties? Would you support the independence if corruption, coercion a

    The Scottish Nationalist Party led by a Mr. Salmon fishface is a Zio controlled globalist, anti-national party. They would sell Scotland to Globalism and globo-homo faster than the combined UK would. There would be loads of thuggish immigrant waves.

  417. @Rdm

    You are correct about South Korean companies overtaking their Japanese counterparts in many areas. That’s why 2 years ago when Japan put export controls to Japan – and South Korea said “fine we’ll make our own substitutes” – Japan quickly rescinded. You would think South Korea being smaller and having just as low a birth rate – that South Korean companies wouldn’t overtake Japanese companies so quickly. But I think the Plaza Accord completely neutered Japan.

  418. @Smith

    “Uh, smartphones? Kids don’t care about smartphones.

    They want their Sony PS5 and Nintendo Switch. They want their anime and they want their manga.

    I myself have used the same smartphone for the last 7 years, and same for many youngsters, smartphone isn’t innovative anymore. Meanwhile, the consoles and the GPU market are ever continuing, with people paying scalper prices for a new item and updating in lesser than 2 or 3 years.”

    I was going to let this slide – but there is just too much misinformation in your comments. Opinions and facts are nto the same thing.

    1) mobile games now lead in market share… PC’s are second… Consoles are third.
    2) this is because China is the largest videogame market (almost 1/3 of players now) and mobile dominates…

    https://www.asiatimesfinancial.com/china-biggest-market-as-gaming-industry-hits-300-billion

    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/05/mobile-platforms-now-account-for-more-than-half-of-all-game-spending/

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  419. Gourdhead says:

    Some aspects of this article were factual and very interesting. Other parts were left-wing rubbish.

  420. @Ray Caruso

    Indonesia will be the new overlord in Australia. When climate destabilisation and generalised ecological collapse make Indonesia uninhabitable, tens of millions will flee south, to save their lives. Austfailia may be nuclear by then, by no amount of massacres will stem the tide, and we’ll get nuked in return. That will probably lead to our genocide, but if we surrender peacefully, we might get to keep Tasmania, or move peacefully to New Zealand.

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  421. @Bork

    Nothing racist about it, you slanderer. Caste is a social construct, based on racism, but NOT my racism. My racism does not exist you slimy libeler.

  422. @Bork

    You falsely slander me as ‘racist’ yet here you are defending Western Sinophobic racism and calling Chinese ‘chinks’. Such hypocrisy is really stupendous.

  423. @Commentator Mike

    The bi-lingual children of those “Christian” missionaries were groomed to serve as military intelligence officers who would later foment the so-called “Chinese Civil War.”

    I am referring to John S. Service, born on August 3, 1909, in the city of Chengdu in the Sichuan province of China, the son of Grace Josephine (Boggs) and Robert Roy Service, missionaries working for the Y.M.C.A. 

    You will be surprised by what you find on the kosher pages of Wikipedia; which admits that the “Americans” played both sides. Here are 2 key paragraphs from Wikipedia:

    During the early war years, Service wrote increasingly critically harsh reports on the Kuomintang and Chiang Kai-shek. Service criticized the Nationalist government as “fascist”, “undemocratic”, and “feudal”.[6] This caught the attention of John P. Davies, a Foreign Service Officer working as a diplomatic attaché to General Joseph Stilwell. In the summer of 1943, Davies managed to have Service, among two others, assigned to him to assist him in his duties. When the U.S. Army Observation Group, also known as the Dixie Mission, was formed to travel to the Communist territory, Davies selected John Service to be the first State Department official to visit the region.

    John Service arrived in Yan’an, the headquarters of the Communist Party of China, on July 22, 1944. There Service met and interviewed many of the top leaders of the CPC, such as Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai. Service wrote many reports over the next four months that praised Mao and the Communist Party of China, and describing its leaders as “progressive” and “democratic”.[7] Once, Service wrote that “The Communists are in China to stay and China’s destiny is not Chiang’s but theirs.”[8] He continued to criticize the Nationalists or KMT under Chiang Kai-shek as corrupt and incompetent in writing. Service and the other American political officers eventually advocated a policy of support for the CPC as well as the Nationalists. They believed a civil war was inevitable and that the CPC would triumph.

  424. Smith says:
    @showmethereal

    Oh you play video games now, singy boomer? That’s no opinion, just facts.

    Evidences: consoles and GPU are so hard demand that they are impossible to be found unlike phones.

    Also, recheck the stat in 2020: https://www.techzone360.com/topics/techzone/articles/2020/06/22/445773-state-the-mobile-games-industry-2020.htm

    The market share of mobile games actually recede vs. the combined PC and console.

    The popularity of mobile games in Asia has more to do with poverty and overwork culture where people don’t have money or time to purchase PC and consoles. This is changing as they got a choice.

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  425. @antibeast

    You still haven’t acknowledged that the Qing dynasty forbade Chinese emigration until 1893.

    Actually you’re about 33 years off. Chinese emigration began in the early 1860s and it was dictated by the British as a result of winning the Opium Wars. It is stipulated in Article 5 of the Peking Convention of 1860: 

    ART. 5. As soon as the ratifications of the treaty of 1858 shall have been exchanged, His Imperial Majesty the Emperor of China will, by decree, commaad the high authorities of every province to proclaim throughout their jurisdictions, that Chinese choosing to take service in the British colonies, or other parts beyond sea, are at perfect liberty to enter into engagements with British subjects for that purpose, and to ship themselves and their families on board any British vessel at any port of the open ports of China; also, that the high authorities aforesaid shall, in concert with Her Britannic Majesty’s representative in China, frame such regulations for the protection of Chinese emigrating, as above, as the circumstances of the different open ports may demand.

    Coincidentally, most of the Chinese migrants ended up in America building the First transcontinental railroad owned by the American opium smugglers–everything is a coincidence or else it is conspiracy crackpottery, right?

    Here’s another coincidence:

    In 1979 when American President Jimmy Carter invited Deng Xiaoping to come to Washington for talks about how to restore normal diplomatic relations between the US and China, Carter demanded, rather curiously, if not coincidentally, that China lift its ban on Chinese going abroad.

    Of course, Deng happily obliged Carter’s stipulation and is today lionized by the Jewish MSM as the good Chicom who reformed and opened up China.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  426. antibeast says:
    @Maowasayali

    Coincidentally, most of the Chinese migrants ended up in America building the First transcontinental railroad owned by the American opium smugglers–everything is a coincidence or else it is conspiracy crackpottery, right?

    That was the Treaty of Burlingame which the USA negotiated separately with the Qing Dynasty to allow Chinese emigration, in addition to the British-imposed Peking Convention of 1860. The Yanks needed Chinese laborers to finish the Western half of the transcontinental railroad because they didn’t want to rely on the unruly Irish laborers who built the Eastern half of the transcontinental railroad. After the railroads were built, the Yanks then hired the Chinese coolies as scab labor to break up strikes by Irish workers in US East Coast cities. That’s how anti-Chinese sentiments grew among the Irish laborers led by Dennis Kearny which led to the passage of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1880. That posed a big problem for the Yanks who now had to contend with the political power of the Irish in US East Coast cities. To undermine the political power of the Irish, the Yanks decided to import tens of millions of European immigrants to enter the USA through Ellis Island.

    In 1979 when American President Jimmy Carter invited Deng Xiaoping to come to Washington for talks about how to restore normal diplomatic relations between the US and China, Carter demanded, rather curiously, if not coincidentally, that China lift its ban on Chinese going abroad.

    Yes, Deng agreed to lift the ban on Chinese emigration which saw large numbers of Chinese emigrants starting in the 80s. But their destination was not to the USA but to Southeast Asia, Africa, Europe and Latin America.

  427. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    It staggers the mind why you continue to believe liberal cockroach predictions about “climate change”. Thirty years ago they were saying the world would be uninhabitable by now, but nothing has happened, and nothing has happened because a modest increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is actually beneficial.

    That having been said, the lack of a climageddon will not save Australia. It’s just not a country that is fit to exist, and New Zealand even less. I can see Australians asking the more civilized Chinese to be their overlords rather than the Javanese Moslems who treated the East Timorese so shabbily.

  428. @Smith

    As usual – Smith makes up his own narrative to fit an alternate reality – when facts stare him in the face.

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  429. Smith says:
    @showmethereal

    Wait, so in your reality, consoles and GPU are abundance but phones are sold out everywhere?

    I’d like to live in your reality.

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