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Where did the lab leak theory come from? Who first promoted the idea and why? The answer to this question is surprising – and may be the key to unlocking the mystery of the origin of COVID-19.

The first known mention of the idea that the coronavirus may have originated in a Chinese lab appeared on January 9th 2020 in a report by Radio Free Asia (RFA). This was just days after the virus had first entered public consciousness, and at the time, no deaths had yet been reported and few people were worrying about the virus – including, it seems, the Chinese, who were claiming it wasn’t even clear whether it was spreading between humans.

Seemingly unhappy about the lack of alarm, RFA ran a comment from Ren Ruihong, former head of the medical assistance department at the Chinese Red Cross, who said she was confident it was spreading between humans. She also asserted it was a “new type of mutant coronavirus”, and immediately, without pausing for breath, raised the possibility it was a result of a Chinese biological attack on Hong Kong using a virus developed in the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Bear in mind this was before a single person had been reported as dying from the virus, and no solid evidence was presented for the claim. It is the first time the WIV and the idea of a lab origin of the virus are mentioned in the media. The report then implies the WIV is hiding its involvement – though the basis for this insinuation is tenuous, to say the least.

Ren said. “They haven’t made public the genetic sequence, because it is highly contagious. From what I can tell, the patients caught it from other people. I have thought that all along.”

She said the lack of fatalities didn’t indicate that the virus was less deadly than SARS, just that antiviral medications have improved in the past 10 years or so.

Ren said she also regarded the relatively high number of infections in Hong Kong with suspicion, given that there had been no reports of cases anywhere in between the two cities, in the southern province of Guangdong, for example.

“Genetic engineering technology has gotten to such a point now, and Wuhan is home to a viral research center that is under the aegis of the China Academy of Sciences, which is the highest level of research facility in China,” she said.

Repeated calls to various numbers listed for the Wuhan Institute of Virology under the Chinese Academy of Sciences rang unanswered.

However, an employee who identified herself as a senior engineer said she knew nothing about the virus.

“Sorry, I… I don’t know about this,” the employee said.

Over the following two weeks RFA pushed hard on the idea of a Chinese biowarfare lab origin, and its reporting was picked up by the Washington Times on January 24th, which quoted Dany Shoham, an “Israeli biological warfare expert”.

The deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons programme, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.

Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory known [as] the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Radio Free Asia reported.

The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese biowarfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert biological weapons programme.

“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese [biological weapons] alignment,” Mr. Shoham told the Washington Times.

Why did Radio Free Asia and the Washington Times introduce and promote the idea of Covid as a Chinese bioweapon? RFA appears to have done so in order to counter the Chinese lack of concern about the virus, hence the heading: “Experts Cast Doubts on Chinese Official Claims Around ‘New’ Wuhan Coronavirus.” The Washington Times report indicates at one point it is in response to rumours “circulating on the Chinese Internet claiming the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons”, citing an unnamed “U.S. official”.

One ominous sign, said a U.S. official, is that false rumours since the outbreak began several weeks ago have begun circulating on the Chinese Internet claiming the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons.

That could indicate China is preparing propaganda outlets to counter future charges the new virus escaped from one of Wuhan’s civilian or defence research laboratories.

Why is the report anticipating “future charges” of a lab leak – particularly when it is in the process of making such charges?

The words of the anonymous U.S. official appear to state the Chinese rumours began “several weeks ago”, right back at the beginning of January or end of December; however, oddly, the article was soon updated to delete the words “since the outbreak began several weeks ago”, for reasons that are unclear.

In any case, the really strange thing about these “rumours circulating on the Chinese Internet” is that no evidence of them has ever been produced or found. Indeed, all the places you might expect to mention them do not. For instance, in February 2021 the DFRLab of the Atlantic Council published a lengthy document in conjunction with the Associated Press summarising all the “false rumours” and “hoaxes” regarding the origins of Covid. Its large research team scoured the internet for all rumours connected with Covid origins – yet the section on China doesn’t mention anything about these alleged January rumours of U.S bioweapons.

Another example is Larry Romanoff, an activist who writes on various ‘conspiracy theories’ and who has lived in China for many years. His columns in early 2020 on the Global Research website attacking the American position were tweeted out by senior Chinese figures, but he never mentions anything about these alleged early rumours on the “Chinese Internet”, which he surely would have done.

In addition, the rumours claim has never been repeated by any intelligence sources; this was the only time it was made.

Why then did RFA introduce the lab-engineered virus narrative, even before the first death? Why was it trying to ratchet up alarm? And why did the unnamed U.S. official claim to be responding to Chinese rumours that turned out not to exist?

The plot thickens when you realise that Radio Free Asia is a U.S.-Government-funded media outlet that is essentially a CIA front, once named by the New York Times as a key part in the agency’s “worldwide propaganda network”. As Whitney Webb pointed out right back in January 2020, though RFA is no longer run directly by the CIA, it is managed by the Government-funded Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), which answers directly to the Secretary of State – who, at the outset of the pandemic was Mike Pompeo, whose previous job was as CIA Director.

This means we can see that the Covid lab origin narrative originated with the U.S. Government’s security services, and did so very early, prior to the first death, as part of a deliberate effort to increase alarm in China and elsewhere. It was also designed to counter the anticipated claims, which had not yet been made (though the anonymous U.S. official falsely claimed they had been), that the virus was a U.S. biological attack.

That the U.S. Government would be the source of the lab origin theory is no doubt surprising to many people, given that within weeks the same theory would be dismissed by Government officials as a ‘conspiracy theory’ and forcibly suppressed. In its place, official U.S. channels would endorse the wet market natural origin theory and seek to close down further debate and investigation. So what’s going on?

Here’s one possible explanation, which makes sense of all the known facts – though is admittedly highly disturbing. It may not be correct, but I confess I cannot currently think of a better one. Perhaps someone else can.

The explanation is that the Chinese lab origin narrative was put out by U.S. intelligence in early January as a cover story. A cover story for what? For a U.S. biological attack on China. As a cover story for an attack, it serves four key purposes. First, it preempts allegations of a U.S. attack (and indeed the anonymous U.S. official falsely claimed these had already been made). Second, it anticipates the need to explain the non-natural origin of the virus, which would be expected to be discovered, as a natural origin manifests differently to a non-natural origin – a natural origin should have animal reservoirs, early genetic diversity and evidence of adaptation to humans, which are lacking for SARS-CoV-2. Third, it spreads alarm in China – one of the purposes of the attack. And fourth, it justifies the U.S. and other countries activating biodefence protocols to defend themselves from any blowback – which we know is exactly what they did, and that they treated it as a matter of national security, not public health.

The idea that the U.S. might deliberately release a virus in China might seem far-fetched to some. However, it’s well known that the Pentagon intensified its research into bat-borne viruses in the years approaching the pandemic. Though it said this was solely for defensive purposes given the supposed risk of bats being used as “bioweapons”, scientists have previously warned, in the journal Science, that another supposedly defensive Pentagon programme, DARPA’s “Insect Allies” programme, appeared really to be aimed at creating and delivering a “new class of biological weapon” and that it revealed “an intention to develop a means of delivery of HEGAAs for offensive purposes”. In addition, the Iranian Government was so convinced that its early COVID-19 outbreak in February 2020, which killed a significant number of its senior leaders, was due to a U.S. biological attack that it lodged a formal complaint with the UN. Such allegations don’t prove anything of course. But together these concerns do suggest that such an attack is not outside the realm of possibility and should at least be considered as an explanation for the origin of the virus.

But if the lab leak was the intended cover story, why was it shortly afterwards suppressed as a ‘conspiracy theory’? It is a matter of public record that this occurred largely due to the efforts of Anthony Fauci, Jeremy Farrar and other Western scientists, who organised a scientific cover-up of evidence that might implicate their complicity in the gain-of-function research that they suspected may have created the virus. Did they know about the attack? There’s no evidence they did. Which means they would also have been in the dark about the intended cover story. Indeed, one of the conspirators, Christian Drosten, in one of the disclosed emails directly asks the group where the “conspiracy theory” of a lab origin has come from. Farrar and Fauci, for their part, appear to be genuinely exploring the origin questions in their emails (while clearly aiming for a particular answer).

The fears of this group of scientists about being implicated in the creation of the virus led them to organise a highly effective effort to dismiss and suppress the lab origin theory. This intervention greatly complexified the cover story, with the result that the output from the U.S. intelligence community (IC) became confused and inconsistent. In what follows I enumerate the six main interventions of the U.S. intelligence community during the pandemic and suggest what likely lay behind them. They are:

  1. The November 2019 secret intelligence report claiming to show a large respiratory outbreak in Wuhan that was used to brief the U.S. Government, NATO and Israel. Importantly, the alleged evidence for this outbreak has never been produced, and what evidence there is suggests that in reality there was no detectable outbreak in Wuhan in November 2019, meaning the report appears to have been largely a work of fiction.
  2. The January 2020 introduction and promotion of the Chinese lab origin story, as set out above.
  3. The early April 2020 media briefings from unnamed intelligence sources about the November intelligence reports noted in (1) above. These briefings were particularly odd because by that point the main origin story being pushed by official U.S. channels was the wet market theory, which this information contradicted because it implied a large outbreak (an “out of control” epidemic and “cataclysmic event”) well before the wet market outbreak in December.
  4. The late April and early May 2020 public endorsement by the U.S. intelligence community of the wet market natural origin theory. This contradicted both the early April anonymous media briefings mentioned in (3) above and the lab origin story in (2), while at the same time embarrassing Mike Pompeo and President Trump who were at the time strongly pushing the lab leak theory.
  5. The August 2021 declassified intelligence report on Covid origins, which gave a somewhat mixed picture of how the intelligence community assessed the lab leak theory. What the report was sure to make clear on the first page, however, is that the virus was “not developed as a biological weapon” and it was “not genetically engineered”. The report says that a small number of IC elements thought the virus might have escaped from a lab (though as a natural, not engineered, virus); in particular the National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), which was responsible for the November 2019 secret intelligence report and (presumably) the April 2020 anonymous media briefings, endorsed this theory with “moderate confidence”. Note that by this point the lab leak theory was back in play following the WHO origins investigation in February 2021.
  6. The October 2022 Senate minority report, which for the first time set out the evidence in favour an engineered virus and a lab leak. U.S. biodefence bigwig Robert Kadlec was behind this report and it notably did not mention the November 2019 U.S. intelligence report, which appears to have been entirely ‘forgotten’ (indeed, it has never been officially acknowledged). It also made no reference to the United States’ considerable involvement in bat coronavirus research in the years prior to the pandemic. We should also note that the evidence presented in the report of an alleged safety breach at the WIV in November 2019 was all assembled retrospectively – there is no suggestion that such evidence was known at the time, and the report makes clear that all its information comes from publicly available sources, stating: “This report has reviewed open source, publicly available information relevant to the origins of the virus.”

Here’s what I suggest was really going on with these often curious and clashing IC interventions.

The November 2019 secret intelligence report (1) was intended to forewarn the U.S. Government and its allies of the potential need for epidemic countermeasures given the risk of blowback from the attack. While blowback was probably not expected (after all, SARS and MERS never troubled Europe and America), it was obviously a risk. Note that those responsible for the November 2019 report had to know there wasn’t really any evidence of an outbreak in Wuhan at that time, and thus that their report was based on fabrication. This appears to implicate the NCMI, which produced the report, in the attack.

The early April 2020 anonymous media briefings (3) about the November 2019 intelligence reports were most likely an attempt by the intelligence community (or, rather, the NCMI) to point out that they did try to warn everyone about the virus and the need to prepare. This would explain why they went ahead with the anonymous briefings despite, by that point, those briefings contradicting the new ‘official narrative’ that the virus came from the wet market.

The official endorsement by the intelligence community in late April and early May 2020 of the wet market theory (4) would then have occurred because of a switch amongst most of the intelligence community to the narrative created and endorsed by Anthony Fauci, Jeremy Farrar etc. Those in the IC not involved in the attack (likely the vast majority) had probably figured out what was going on, i.e., the lab leak theory was a cover story put out by reckless colleagues, and would be very aware of the terrible fallout should the truth become known. Hence also the suppression around this time within the U.S. Government of all Covid origins investigations, which a senior Government official said would only “open a can of worms“.

This tension between IC elements then continued with the 2021 declassified intelligence report (5), with most of the IC claiming not to know anything, but the NCMI still believing the lab leak was the best cover story and wanting it back in play.

By the time of the October 2022 Senate report (6) the natural origin theory was clearly collapsing. This report then represents an effort by some within the intelligence community to bring back the lab leak as the cover story, while directing all attention to China and the WIV and away from the U.S.

How plausible is all this? It certainly fits the evidence, though perhaps there is another, more innocent way of explaining it all.

However, those who would like to exclude the possibility of a U.S. biological attack – and indeed, I would like to exclude this – need to answer at least two key questions:

1. Why was the U.S. concerned about and following an outbreak in Wuhan in November 2019 which all the available evidence shows was not detectable at the time? Why did the U.S. falsely claim there was a signal of a large, worrying outbreak and brief allies about it?

2. Why did U.S. security services begin spreading rumours about the virus being engineered in China at the beginning of January, even before the first death had been reported, when they had no evidence of this (at least, they have never explained how they knew it) and no one else was worried about it, and based on the false claim that rumours were already being spread in China about a U.S. bioweapon?

Let’s be honest: it’s not looking good.

Dr. Will Jones is the Editor of Britain’s Daily Sceptic.

(Republished from The Daily Sceptic by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s pretty clear by now what took place, a biowarfare attack against China and Iran which proliferated throughout the world. The US is responsible for the death of millions, not something it wants to take ownership of. The coverups and disinformation will go on for years, just like 9/11. There’ll be no justice brought to the perpetrators.

  2. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a 1.8 in your timeline. It’s not a CIA intervention but an international countermeasure that panicked CIA.

    Right off the bat the BWTC treaty parties called germ warfare. They immediately produced the documents showing Baric’s synthesis of the biological weapon, and development contracted by DTRA and NIAID. That alerted the whole world outside the US iron curtain, and even in the US domain experts like Francis Boyle sounded the alarm.

    Obscured attribution was the linchpin of this crime of aggression so CIA was in deep shit. They pivoted wildly from easily rebutted porkies blaming the Wuhan lab to their SHUT UP SHUT UP IT’S NATURE! line. But Russian and Chinese researchers immediately publicized the mad scientists’ fingerprints in the germs.

    Treaty parties had CIA’s Article 1 violations under a microscope ever since the US delegation obstructed verfication procedures. Remember the odd OS X malware Fruitfly? Some mook went to prison for hacking grandmas and randos and, uh, mumble mumble unspecified government agencies. As it happens the malware first compromised biological researchers in Battelle’s backyard in Ohio.

    So CIA hopes to get off the hook for killing a million Americans, but the postwar tribunal is a slam dunk. The CIA Mengeles are gonna swing for this.

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  3. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Why did Radio Free Asia and the Washington Times introduce and promote the idea of Covid as a Chinese bioweapon? RFA appears to have done so in order to counter the Chinese lack of concern about the virus, hence the heading: “Experts Cast Doubts on Chinese Official Claims Around ‘New’ Wuhan Coronavirus.” The Washington Times report indicates at one point it is in response to rumours “circulating on the Chinese Internet claiming the virus is part of a U.S. conspiracy to spread germ weapons”, citing an unnamed “U.S. official”…

    1. Why was the U.S. concerned about and following an outbreak in Wuhan in November 2019 which all the available evidence shows was not detectable at the time? Why did the U.S. falsely claim there was a signal of a large, worrying outbreak and brief allies about it?

    2. Why did U.S. security services begin spreading rumours about the virus being engineered in China at the beginning of January, even before the first death had been reported, when they had no evidence of this (at least, they have never explained how they knew it) and no one else was worried about it, and based on the false claim that rumours were already being spread in China about a U.S. bioweapon?

    Because they’re Globalist psychopaths? A better question is, What was a US-Neocon/Globalist front bioweapons lab doing in Wuhan? Why was the Chinese Communist Government letting Satanists/sociopaths do experiments on their population? Why were the same Satanists allowed to do experiments on, say, civilian nuclear “Downwinders” around Hanford, WA in WW2 and the Cold War?

    It all comes down to the usual suspects engaged in human experimentation and manifesting Satanism/collective sociopathy. It always comes down to the usual suspect manifesting Satanism/sociopathy. The Chinese dogs, like the WASP dogs, like so many dumb animals down through history before them think they can keep the Satanists on a leash. They can’t.

    That dog needs to be put down, along with it’s “owners.”

  4. Alrenous says: • Website

    USG was running the Chinese lab which leaked the virus, so what happened was: having done it first hand, they knew what happened. It’s an American biowarfare lab, it’s just in China, because doing it on imperial heartland is legally sticky.

    It leaked due to Han incompetence, though. Fraud is endemic in the country, and some lab tech tried to defraud Nature. “If nobody’s watching, I don’t need to obey the biosafety protocols, right?” Nature is always watching. Trying to run a level-4 lab in China is a plain stupid thing to do.

    It’s fine, the virus was never dangerous. They tried to “gain” its function, but it hardly gained any function at all, because the USSA lives up to the high quality standards Communism is known for.

  5. @Chris Moore

    Why was the Chinese Communist Government letting Satanists/sociopaths do experiments on their population?

    The “Chinese Communist Government”, like all governments, will do anything for a buck, including questionable projects at the WIV. Having said that, I think there is little evidence that they “let(ting) Satanists/sociopaths do experiments on their population.”

  6. TG says:

    Hmm… I would believe almost anything of the western ruling elites, although this seems a bit over the top even for them. And at this point the issue has been so muddied with lies and propaganda that we will likely never know for sure what happened.

    But my personal hunch is that the US was funding gain-of-function work in China, not as specific bioweapon research, but just because it is “sexy” and exciting and easy to get funded. ALL of these “high security” labs leak like sieves (China’s and America’s both, trust me). Surely Fauci and his colleagues would not want to get blamed for starting this, so of course they work hard to promote the natural origin theory.

    I also point out, that we need to be very careful in our use of the term “bioweapon.” What’s the difference between a medical lab making more deadly human viruses to try to better understand pathogenetics and develop better vaccines, and a bioweapons lab making more deadly human viruses for use as a military weapon? Answer: the name.

    I propose that ALL labs doing viral and bacterial gain-of-function work be reclassified as “bioweapons” labs, in order to focus our minds on just how risky these enterprises are.

  7. Notsofast says:

    in 2015 ralph baric (working for fauci’s nih as well as darpa) received a patent for attaching bat spike proteins to an existing coronavirus but by the time they received the patent, the inherently dangerous gain of function research had been outlawed in the u.s., so fauci decided to move the project to wuhan and he ran the funding through several ngo’s to disguise the paper trail.

    in 2017 trumps pick for the head of hhs was forced to resign because of the plea deal he arranged for jeffery epstein (that he claimed was asked for by the fbi, as he was an asset). this was at the height of the me-too movement and that caused his resignation as the director of hhs. during the couple of months the agency was without a director, fauci was able to backdoor in gain of function research back into the u.s. and baric resumed his dark research at ft. detrick and unc chapel hill. later that year fauci tweeted that the trump administration would face a major pandemic in his term.

    jan 2019 operation crimson contagion, late oct 2019 event 201, both table top exercises involving the outbreak of a novel coronavirus in china, that rapidly spreads around the world. two weeks later we have the wuhan military games, in which the u.s. was embarrassed by the miserable performance of the team, perhaps they weren’t there to compete at all. this was just about the time of the first know outbreak (after a two week incubation period) in wuhan.

    this was a set up from day one. they knew the wuhan lab was working with covid because they paid them to. attacking china and their economy was only part of their dark plan. after purposefully botching the first test rollout, dragging their feet, refuse to let state authorities to test without the official cdc tests, confusing, contradictory advice on masking, they insured the spread of the disease as widely as possible. making ivermectin and hcq illegal insured many more fatalities that were necessary but more importantly, as an existing treatment, this would deny them the emergency use authorization (they never would received authorization if it had to go through full clinical trials) necessary to push their gain of function mrna genetic engineering experiment they passed off as a “vaccine”, although the cdc had to change the definition of vaccine to fit their frankenshot. the same people that created this bioweapon used the same technology to create this horrific ”inoculation”, and are profiting from all the mrna based poison.

    prosecute/fauci

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  8. No virus leaked. There is no covid. Some people got the flu. Like normal.

    I love how the responders on here didn’t even read the article.

    The upshot of the article is, for the reading-challenged: “The fact that the US government itself first spread the rumor of Chinese lab leaks proves that the leak rumor is a lie.”

    Sheesh.

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  9. FKA Max says: • Website

    I think there was genuine confusion in the scientific and intelligence communities about the origins of the virus in the early stages of the pandemic, because at the time it wasn’t known yet that the virus could also infect other mammals other than just bats, that were more prevalent at the Wuhan market than bats:

    Mammals now known to be infectable with the virus — including red foxes, hog badgers and raccoon dogs — were all sold live in the market, the team showed.

    https://archive.ph/q1e77#selection-1379.0-1379.154

    Michael Worobey of the University of Arizona, who co-authored both papers, had previously called on the scientific community in a letter to be more open to the idea that the virus was the result of a lab leak.

    But the findings moved him “to the point where now I also think it’s just not plausible that this virus was introduced any other way than through the wildlife trade at the Wuhan market,” he told reporters on a call.

    https://archive.ph/q1e77#selection-1333.0-1349.215

    Two lineages, A and B, marked the early pandemic.
    But while A was closer to the virus found in bats, suggesting the coronavirus in humans came from this source and that A gave rise to B, it was B that was found to be far more present around the market.

    https://archive.ph/q1e77#selection-1429.0-1433.202

    The two following papers are what this natural, Wuhan animal market origin of the virus conclusion is based upon:

    The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic
    26 Jul 2022
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

    The molecular epidemiology of multiple zoonotic origins of SARS-CoV-2
    26 Jul 2022
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337

    As a reminder, even the Chinese government was aware of the dangers of the exotic animal trade and these “wet markets” and had banned most of it after SARS, but the exotic animal trade/industry lobby in China is/was extremely powerful and well-connected, so this practice and tradition was never completely shut down and bans were lifted, which ultimately very probably was the origin of the 2019 virus:

    How wildlife trade is linked to coronavirus
    Mar 6, 2020 by Vox 23+ million views as of January 2023
    The majority of the people in China do not eat wildlife animals. Those people who consume these wildlife animals are the rich and the powerful –a small minority.

  10. Wild Man says:

    “How plausible is all this? It certainly fits the evidence, though perhaps there is another, more innocent way of explaining it all.”

    The six main interventions of the U.S. intelligence community, during the pandemic, that you listed, also well fits a deeper explanatory narrative:

    These actions by the U.S. intelligence community could be seen as supportive of the success of the upcoming vaxxo-shite program, first before the vaxx roll-out, and then after the roll-out began. Different false narratives needed at the various junctures, in order to eventuate the success (as judged by # of arms jabbed) of the upcoming pre-planned vaxxo-shite coercion. The added bonus of this deeper explanatory narrative, is that, circa the summer of 2020, it was deemed rather nuts to harbor even limited (i.e. – deemed not likely) suspicions as to the reality of an upcoming pre-planned vaxxo-shite coercion, ….. yet that is precisely what ended up happening. The ample evidence of lying and misdirection => production of worse-case but unlikely conjectures among some people, like myself, by summer of 2020, that perhaps, as unlikely as it seems, this was all about officialdom finessing the success of the upcoming pre-planned vaxxo-shite coercion => that unlikely eventuality, did in fact occur …. so what about that?

    When something otherwise unlikely, is predicted by way of a prior evidentiary thread, and then does indeed occur despite being otherwise very unlikely …… the onus is on parties arguing against this stance, to show how it is flawed. It is not flawed, as far as I can tell. The American intelligence community (and all the intelligence communities across the entire faux-west) orchestrated this fiasco in order to force the vaxxo-shite coercion.

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  11. It certainly makes no sense that China would attack itself. On the other hand, I’d believe anything of our noble CIA, except that as a bioweapon, Covid was pretty pathetic. Barely a shadow of the 1918 “Spanish” flu. Perhaps they screwed up and made it less virulent than they intended.

  12. JimDandy says:
    @anonymous

    The US is responsible for the death of millions,

    It’s definitely responsible for profits in the trillions.

  13. @Alrenous

    Fort Dietrick closed prior to Covid–why? USA closed its CDC office in Beijing autumn 2019 -Why? USA has how many biological labs the world over- doing what ? 35 were in West Ukraine?

    What was going on at Fort Dietrick 1950–,making biological weapons for Korea – North Korea and the boss was a Japanese war criminal ? What is happeing today at Chapel Hill North Carolina Duke University? The USA has been playing War Monger King of the World since 1945–and will do anythnig to keep that control.

    Radio Free Asia and Voice of America USA propaganda —

    Why did USA send big team to Wuhan Games and get few medals–some participants became ill and returned to USA prior to Games concluding? Covid was in Barcelona Spain and Milan Italy prior to Wuhan—6/9 months ahead of the Wuhan Breakout.

    Pompeo KNOWS it all—-“CIA lied – stole – and lied again–murder is its motto !”

  14. Yet it’s not looking like Saint Putin and His Holiness Xi, poor victims of US bioterrorism, are ever gonna come clean about their part as major stakeholders, alongside the terrorist USEUNATO conglomerate who supposedly unilaterally intiated this entire bioterrorist drama, in Plandemic INC., LLC. A war among them stakeholders seems far more likely, and the taxcattle is gonna be getting sent to the meat grinder while “peace”, like global plandemic response, is coordinated by the global partners/”enemies” to the tune of hysterical hystrionics at the UNSC seat in NYC.

    11 Jan, 2023 16:01
    HomeWorld News
    Britain and Japan to sign defense pact
    UK and Japanese troops will be deployed on each other’s territory, as Tokyo deepens its alignment with NATO powers
    https://www.rt.com/news/569708-japan-uk-defense-agreement/

    Anyway, the unsafe and ineffective Chinese/Russian “vaccine” is “traditional”, it says so in the “traditional” green pass that comes with it. Gotta update that vaxx status on the Universal Biometric Social Credit system, or Facebook, if that’s better, before the nukes start flying.

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    , @Rahan
  15. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    It is beyond doubt that the USA’s fingerprints are all over this pandemic, from the reports of teenagers with “glass lung” X-rays in February and March 2019, to the sudden closure of fort Detric in August 2019, along with the, now proven, American involvement in the early 1960 swine flu epidemic in China (ably assisted by their Japanese allies in fact). Added to this the discovery of between 19 and 42 bio labs in the Ukraine doing experiments on Russian tissue samples. I have read Senator Kennedy’s book on the matter, and it is a real eye opener.

  16. Franz says:

    Pretend I’m Howard Beale here.

    There is no China. There is no America. There’s only money. SOME Chinese always get money. And SOME Americans always get some too. Losing a few hundred thousand Chinese OR Americans will not bring a tear to the people who get the money. No matter where.

    In WWII there was a biological lab run by Japan called Unit 731. Were they war criminals? Yes. Did they hang for their crimes? No. America hired them and gave them a raise.

    People who think in terms of “countries” and “nations” are so… behind the curve. Think: American biowar labs have branches in their own country, plus Ukraine, China, Japan, EVERYWHERE.

    In a sane world these people would hide out in caves, or be stoned to death. In this one, they rule.

    • Thanks: Thor Walhovd
    • Replies: @RoboMoralFascist 1st
  17. Seraphim says:

    It is a truism that in order to prove one’s guilt in a criminal trial it is necessary to show that the perpetrator had the “means, the motive, and the opportunity”. A crime would not have occurred had the perpetrator not had the tools necessary to commit a crime (e.g., the weapon), the actionable idea to commit the crime, and an unencumbered chance at following through on intention.
    Where do we find all three together?

    – Motive: The 1996 neocon Bible, the ”Project for a New American Century (PNAC)”, unambiguously stated, “advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”

    – Means: Fort Dettrick was the center of the U.S. biological weapons program from 1943 to 1969. Since the discontinuation of that program, it has hosted most elements of the United States biological defense program. In August 2019, its deadly germ research operations were shut down following serious safety violations, in particular relating to the disposal of dangerous materials.

    – Opportunity: The Chinese government publicly promoted the notion that the US military brought the virus to China. Maatje Benassi, a US Army reservist and mother of two, has become the target of conspiracy theorists who falsely place her at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, saying she brought the disease to China in October on the occasion of the Military World Games, hosted by Wuhan, the Chinese city where the coronavirus outbreak began last year.

  18. GMC says:

    All these lab leaks started decades before the Corona came around and they were directed at humans, plants and animals. And many of them were reported, but nobody gave a shit so the USG and their accomplices just kept experimenting. They won’t stop until the people start shooting back.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @boynkin
  19. What about Pentagon cutting a deal with FDA in 2018 to work together on Emergency Drug Authorisation after Pentagon tried to go it alone on self-certifying drugs for combat soldiers ?

    Surely that is how the Emergency Authorisation for Pfizer/ModeRNA was slipped through ?

    and……it was Rumsfeld in Bush Era that created the template for National Lockdown……..

    Maybe this has Pentagon written all over it from Ralph Baric through Eco-Health Alliance and to Pfizer and Ukraine Biolabs

  20. Boll says:

    Letting dumb communists do dumb communist things is definitely part of the strategy to contain China. Lockdowns were part of the Chinese struggle to hold down opposition and manage internal conflicts for many decades. So if China is seen as a threat why not weaponizing the Chinese willingness to self-destruct and blame it on the Chinese? China only needs to go back to the communist agenda from back in the day to strengthen the US position. And Europe that tries bond with China to limit American influence would be hit as well.

  21. Fumanchu says:

    There are three events this century that stand above the rest: September 11th, Covid-19, and Russia crossing the Rubicon. All three have their origins in something beyond what the mainstream puts out, but they all share the same DNA: Jewish audacity. Art students had a presence on 9/11. Everyone knows the Nuland people have been agitating endlessly in Ukraine. Why not also consider tribal involvement when it comes to a biological attack? Mr. Unz has noted the curious early outbreak of Covid among Iran’s leadership. There is another country in the Middle East with an intense hatred of Iran. Why not also consider the involvement of art students when it comes to Covid?

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  22. Punchthem says:

    Radio free Asia, Radio free Europe Radio Liberty…. Very reliable and believable sources of info…..
    + numerous other media and “social nerworks” all financed and controled by “exeptional untouchables”.
    In spite of all that everybody knows where virus comes from and who designed it…

  23. sally says:
    @anonymous

    Not so sure it is clear by now that “a biowarfare attack against China and Iran” took place.. need some evidence Up until now the big concern has been gain of function research. i have not heard much about research trying to engineer microbes into weapons.

    Comments on several websites said Russia filed with the UN several different complaints about several licenced or funded facilities operating in Ukraine. I recall the comments claimed the Russian UN filings contained considerable evidence but did not identify either evidence or the nature of the evidence. AFAIK no one has answered the Russian Complaints or looked into the evidence and claims Russia made, if Russia did in fact file complaints? I wonder if China has filed anything with the UN? where can what Iran filed be found?

    I agree exposing global bio lab operations is in the public interest.

    “This means we can see that the Covid lab origin narrative originated with the U.S. Government’s security services, and did so very early, prior to the first death, as part of a deliberate effort to increase alarm in China and elsewhere. It was also designed to counter the anticipated claims, which had not yet been made (though the anonymous U.S. official falsely claimed they had been), that the virus was a U.S. biological attack.” quote from WJ.

    Obviously there is research going on.. Where and in what class of facility such research is being conducted and what the intentions of each facility or research project might be has yet to be revealed to the public. good article

  24. @Chris Moore

    The real bio-weapon was the clotshot. I know more young people who died/damaged from “da jab” then I do boomers who died from “covid”. I trust none of these governments they are all jew friendly or act like jews themselves. Chinks, Anglos, Slavs are all just fronts for worldwide Jewry. Perhaps chinks less but I wouldn’t substitute jew/anglomason overlords for chink overlords. Total Aryan Victory or nothing.

  25. @anonymous

    It’s pretty clear by now what took place

    Yes, you read it on the Internet…..wait, who set up the Internet?….the American military…suspicious!

    • Replies: @Punchthem
  26. @Boll

    The lockdowns despite initial and continued support have recently really been pissing off a large part of the population due to so many small business owners taking such a massive hit. This has fed into a brief and minor threat from the remnants of the Shanghai Clique that opposed the more hard-line policies of the past 5 years or so, but this was also recently addressed with a more relaxed lockdown policy and the current powers are now in a better position for the future. I reckon for the best too otherwise with the Clique in charge Blackrock would be blasting up property prices to make a quick buck and introducing all sorts of cultural enhancements.

    Their government is run largely by PhD engineers, the West by lawyers… whose the dumb ones now?

  27. Sparkon says:
    @Notsofast

    jan 2019 operation crimson contagion, late oct 2019 event 201, both table top exercises involving the outbreak of a novel coronavirus in china [sic]

    Wrong. Crimson Contagion did not involve the simulated outbreak of a novel coronavirus.

    Crimson Contagion was a joint exercise conducted from January to August 2019, in which numerous national, state and local, private and public organizations in the US participated, in order to test the capacity of the federal government and twelve states to respond to a severe pandemic of influenza originating in China.

    Influenza is caused by influenza A and B viruses , while COVID-19 is caused by the (once) novel coronavirus designated SARS-CoV-2. It’s apples and oranges, in other words.

    In the future, please write in Standard English using capitalization and punctuation. I usually skip over sloppy posts like yours because they commonly include misinformation, as yours does.

    • Troll: Notsofast
    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @Ron Unz
  28. pq says:

    The origins of the covid pandemic narrative lie within a network of NATO scientists (Drosten, Holmes, Koopmans, Rambaut and others).

    If you don’t understand the basics of virology and genome sequencing (and it’s clear that none of the authors on this site do), all these theories about “lab leaks”, “origins of covid” or “escaped or released biowarfare weapons” are more nonsensical than flat earth theories.

    There are only two ways to determine origins:
    1) in the event of a lab incident that causes harm to humans there will be an undeniable clinical trail. Thousands of lab accidents happen every year. They include: escaped animals, animal bit researcher, chemical spill, researcher stabbed himself with a syringe by accident, etc. Not one has ever led to people dropping dead while walking down the street which is what WESTERN MEDIA wanted you to believe about China in early 2020. Most lab accidents are resolved easily enough. Viruses cannot “escape” from labs nor is there any mechanism to “release” them. Viruses are identified through a process of centrifuge of nucleic acids and proteins and then applying fluoresence techniques to identify what you’re left with. It’s not like moldy cheese sitting in your fridge that you can try and feed to someone to poison them.

    2) Analysis of history of genome sequences (phylogenetics) is a MATHEMATICAL MODELLING exercise. Outcomes depend on your model assumptions, the software you use, the parameters etc.
    It is 100% conjecture and results are easily manipulated. Moreover, we are talking about very large and very messy datasets with all the consequent problems of analyzing big data.

    YOU DO NOT NEED A NEW VIRUS TO CREATE FLU AND PNEUMONIA PANDEMIC IN FLU SEASON. You simply need to do a lot of scaremongering in the media, create panic, have hordes people rushing to hsopital at the slightest cough and overwhelming the system.

    If you can also send family doctors into hiding in their basements, suppress debate, deny use of basic medicines and tell people to wait ten days before seeing a doctor when they have a high fever….Bob’s your uncle.

    The pandemic plans were described in minute detail in 2019 at Event 201 and they were followed to the letter.
    Blaming China was part of the geopolitical cold war against China.
    So China hit back and blamed the US and we all got mired in this stupid and endless discussion about biowarfare and lab leaks and origins.

    Scientists are by and large not that smart. They can’t cure cancer without nuking you and they can’t release of develop bioweapons without harming themselves.

    If you don’t believe me, just ask yourself this question: how many colds and flus have you or your close family had in your life? How many times did a team of scientists show up at your doorstep to take some lung fluid from you and identify the exact offending pathogen?
    I’m willing to bet the answer to question number two is ZERO.

    That team of “Chinese” scientists who published the first covid sequence include AUSTRALIAN Edward Holmes who is a close colleaague of Christian Drosten. Drosten’s team published the first ever covid test protocol within a day of Holmes publishing the genome sequence.

    • Agree: JasonT
    • Thanks: Old and Grumpy, Zane
  29. @Franz

    Author Jessen 4.0-

    YOU HAVE MEDDLED WITH THE FORCES OF NATURE MR. BEALE AND THE KEY IS NOT GETTING CAUGHT!! IS THAT CLEAR?!!

    You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples, foreigners and children. There is a West Mr. Beale and they are going to cowboy this thing down to the last imbecile still watching television.

    What do you think the Russians talk about in their counsels of state… Karl Marx? They get out their statistical programming analysis, minimax solution theories and predict the cost and shipping of North Korean artillery rounds… just like we do.

    Do you think Trumpstein and that fat slob heretic Pompeo were going to allow another gigantic economy to arise against the USD unimpeded without a control narrative mechanism response put in place? Do you even remember the history of the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and why? Blame Sam Walton for recent ills all you want but the psychopaths running the circus aren’t going to allow the Shanghai Metals Exchange to tell the London Metals Exchange what to do.

    Bankers Mr. Beale… are the first ones to develop monetary inference theory and then throw grenades while they buy gold and print endless fiat moolah.

    That is Article 1 of the immutable by-laws of total fvckin bullshit.

    We no longer live in a world of rationality and decency Mr. Beale.

    That… is the atomic and sub-atomic structure of all the bullshit today!

    • Thanks: Franz
  30. Did anyone in China actually fall over dead in the beginning of the Covid thing? The videos of such collapses were all over the internet. Would love to know the answer because if it is none, then China was involved in a psyop that ultimately lead to a failed but dangerous vaccine. Maybe it is time to ditch the nation state paradigm here.

    • Replies: @No jack London
    , @pq
    , @Zane
    , @Ron Unz
  31. Sparkon says:

    1. Why was the U.S. concerned about and following an outbreak in Wuhan in November 2019 which all the available evidence shows was not detectable at the time? Why did the U.S. falsely claim there was a signal of a large, worrying outbreak and brief allies about it?

    The “U.S.” did not make any of these claims.

    In fact, it was ABC News that broke the bogus story in April 2020 about an alleged NCMI report from Nov. 2019, but the head of NCMI at the time, Dr. Shane Day, an Air Force Colonel, subsequently made an unequivocal statement that “no such NCMI product exists.”

    If there really were such a report, surely by now one or more of those allegedly briefed allies would have stepped forward with some kind of follow-up to this story about the alleged briefing, which like the alleged NSC briefing, almost certainly did not occur.

    There was no pandemic or even any outbreak in Wuhan in Nov. 2019. There was nothing to see or hear or report. Period. Full stop.

    Nobody has this alleged report, and nobody claims to have seen it, other than a few, still unidentified media people.

    Okey Dokey.

    This whole fandango with its glaring internal inconsistencies and phantom sources is entirely a product of the MSM and some bad actors. Any party with access to highly classified government documents would have been able to put together a much more convincing hoax than this one.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  32. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:

    Franz, Franz, Franz. 731, right. Japanese Germ warfare scientists. America didn’t hire them, CIA hired them. When America ratified the BWTC and criminalized biological weapons development, CIA kept it up in secret. CIA used agents in foreign countries to evade federal and conventional international law.

    There are still nations. There are also, since 1949, organized criminal group engaged in transnational organized crime. CIA is one. Mossad is one. MI6 is one. These are illegal in conventional international law and they’re going to get purged and prosecuted or extradited, or nuked. Which is it going to be?

    Yell that, Howard.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
  33. boynkin says:

    Around the same time, maybe earlier, a few Indian scientists isolated the virus and published a paper on what it contained, including a HIV insert, indicating the virus was produced in a lab. I read it online. Within a few days (a week?) they were made to publish and apology, and withdrew their findings. Upon which it, all traces of it were removed from the internet.

    • Replies: @skrik
  34. boynkin says:
    @GMC

    New virus producing labs are being built in San Diego and Boston.

    • Replies: @GMC
  35. Covid is the flu. How could anyone with a functioning brain believe anything else at this point?

  36. @Alrenous

    I prefer the theory it was dropped off during the .mil games by some enterprising Pompeo/Bolton linked agent, but either way, we know who is responsible.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  37. The lab leak theory is a diversion to mislead the people, covid-19 does not exist, it is an illusion created by the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations, the CDC, the WHO, UN Agenda 2030, the WEF, etc., etc., to terrify the people into getting the MRNA genocide shots. These demons did not have to have a real threat to get people to kill themselves, all they had to do was produce the illusion and the deal was sealed.

    Covid-19 is the flu and colds and pneumonia renamed, millions of illegals are allowed to cross the border and not one had to take the genocide clot shot, members of congress and their staffs are exempt, members of the UN are exempt , as are the WHO, the CDC, the NIH, etc., etc., it is all a scam an psyop, the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world, this is not about health, it is a depopulation agenda, driven by some of the most evil demons in the history of the world.

    • Agree: poupon marx, JasonT
    • Thanks: Zane
  38. @Alrenous

    USG was running the Chinese lab which leaked the virus, so what happened was: having done it first hand, they knew what happened. It’s an American biowarfare lab, it’s just in China, because doing it on imperial heartland is legally sticky.

    So if that’s the case what was the pathogen responsible for the outbreak of an “unknown respiratory illness” (with covid-19-like symptoms) that sickened 82 people and killed 3 at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield Retirement Community in Springfield, VA in June and July of 2019?

    And why did the U.S. “government” fail to report the outbreak to the World Health Organization (WHO) as is apparently required of it under IHR(2005) rules?

    https://www.mcknights.com/news/mystery-grows-as-3rd-resident-dies-from-still-unidentified-respiratory-illness/

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  39. gay troll says:

    Why do we continue to ignore extremely obvious and relevant facts:

    -CDC closed USAMRIID at Ft. Detrick in mid 2019 due to containment breaches involving a [redacted] pathogen or toxin. They fired the facility’s commander and kept it closed for months for retrofitting.

    -This shutdown was followed by an epidemic of novel pneumonia with symptoms identical to COVID. There was no way to test for this disease, and the CDC could not say what caused it, but they associated it with vaporizers and called it EVALI.

    -During the same period an unprecedented number of summertime respiratory outbreaks occurred in the U.S. which were NOT associated with vaporizers. Even Kary Mullis died of pneumonia at the height of summer.

    -By the end of 2019, the CDC was warning about the earliest and worst flu season in decades. Anecdotally, many people will tell you that they had the worst respiratory infection of their lives sometime around December 2019. By February 2020 EVALI had disappeared in the U.S., just in time for COVID to officially take its place. The CDC has been the gatekeeper for all this information about USAMRIID, EVALI, 2019-2020 flu season, and COVID.

    So we have a documented lab leak. We have a documented epidemic of novel pneumonia in the summertime. If SARS2 leaked out of Ft. Detrick, it would perfectly explain the foreknowledge displayed at Event 201. It would also explain why China has essentially cooperated with this cover up every step of the way. Because it’s not really an act of war – it’s just a massive globalist fuck up.

    I used to think that maybe SARS2 is a self spreading HIV vaccine, but on further consideration, I think the HIV proteins were only added to SARS2 to facilitate and strengthen ACE2 receptor binding. SARS2 appears to be a bioweapon without a payload: a missile without a warhead. It stills damages and kills some people. But if this chimera had been loaded with other genes, like from Ebola, the IFR would have been orders of magnitude higher.

    As for the vaccine, I think it only ever had one purpose, which is to force mutations on the chimeric SARS2 spike protein so that it will not have a natural reservoir when it becomes endemic. Everything ever claimed about the vaccines was a “noble” lie. Everyone who has been killed or injured by the vaccines is collateral damage.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Notsofast
  40. Canute says:

    While i think Ron Unz is off the mark with his contention that the Covid/Vax are not a problem (Covid/Obesity), I think that the reporting of this article buttresses his contention that this was a US developed strain purposefully introduced into China and Iran by the dark hand of the U.S. I/C.

  41. @Anonymous

    Thank you for your comment. Do you think the fact that the Military Olympic Games, which were held in Wuhan around November 2019, have any relevance to your comment or to the whole affair? It is known that the US delegation was housed 5 minutes from the wet market. Also, the delegation was over 300 members and they did not win one medal between them. The Chineese knicknamed them “Soy Boys.” With the type of services we have, Seals. Rangers, Recon Marines. we couldn’t find one volunteer to win a Bronze in shooting? Instead we sent what seemed to be a bunch of desk jockeys. Could they have been the vector?

  42. @anonymous

    Meanwhile, in other psyops involving the same International and Intra-state enemies of mankind:

    I know the spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova is nothing compared to careen Jean Pierre, but I find the RT and Pravda are the most reliable and truthful news sources of major proportions in the World.

    Temple of Satan gathers for worship planning sessions:

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2023/01/rendezvous-in-davos/

    Mr. Kinsal, Zircon, Avangard, and Sarmat 2 should pay a visit and dispatch this filth and rotten offal to their Other Worldly destination.

    Only Russia can save the West, from Talmudic Termites and…from itself.

  43. Notsofast says:
    @Sparkon

    in the future feel free to ignore my posts all together, you douchebag. asshole schoolmarms like you are even more annoying than asshole trolls like you. hair splitting, tiny details, while ignoring the content of the post, typical of your ilk. just for your general information when these criminals quietly removed the emergency use provisions from the phony pcr tests, they admitted that the test couldn’t even differentiate between standard influenza and covid. your point is moot and you should be mute.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  44. A123 says: • Website
    @One Nobody

    Do you think the fact that the Military Olympic Games, which were held in Wuhan around November 2019, have any relevance to your comment or to the whole affair?

    This idea has been voided as timelines have shifted (due to better data).

    • The Military Games were in October.
    • The Patient Zero date was late November or early December.

    Even Mr. Unz will concede this no longer works as a “release concept”.

    the [U.S.] delegation was over 300 members and they did not win one medal between them.

    Those with sufficient skill to go Professional leave the American military to cash in. The U.S. is notorious for poor results in these types of events.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @cohen
    , @One Nobody
  45. Trumpeter says:

    Sparkon, the Israelis confirmed that November report right away. It was an analysis of hospital parking lot density used as a predictor for pandemic. I looked at the photos closely because I am an expert at hospital parking lot density after a lifetime of parking in them.

    Two things were obvious. First, there was no appreciable difference in parking lot density and second, you would have to get out to a rural hospital in USA to find a parking lot that empty .

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  46. @FKA Max

    Obwandiyag; I had to reprint your comment…

    No virus leaked. There is no covid. Some people got the flu. Like normal.

    I love how the responders on here didn’t even read the article.

    The upshot of the article is, for the reading-challenged: “The fact that the US government itself first spread the rumor of Chinese lab leaks proves that the leak rumor is a lie.”

    Sheesh.

    Hey Unzers; don’t forget you individual inherent NARURAL immunity got you this far in the world, and be very grateful that our psychopathic human brothers and sisters cannot hack the Human Immunity without direct intervention ie. mRNA “therapeutics”.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  47. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    More than 200 viruses are known to cause cold-like symptoms. One of them mutating at an inconvenient moment is extraordinarily plausible.

    They didn’t report it because USG is amazingly corrupt. All-time world-champions of corruption. Rules? What are those? The WHO works for USG, not the other way around. If it complains too much about USG breaking the rules, it’s the WHO who will get into trouble, not USG.

    Old folks dying of random colds is the most normal thing in the world. If you don’t die of cancer or a heart attack it’s gonna be a cold. It’s a question of which of your organs is the weakest and wears out first.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  48. amor fati says:
    @Notsofast

    Thanks. At least your explanation attempts to encompass all the post-outbreak nonsense, which this essay completely fails to address (and Unz’s pet conspiracy hunch religiously avoids), not least of which is the institutional chorus obsessed on vaccinating the planet with an experimental product*.

    *Safe and effective? Good doctors know better:



    Video Link

    • Thanks: Notsofast
  49. Alrenous says: • Website
    @DCThrowback

    We know Fauci approved and funded “gain-of-function” research at Wuhan.

    But if the lab leak was the intended cover story, why was it shortly afterwards suppressed as a ‘conspiracy theory’? It is a matter of public record that this occurred largely due to the efforts of Anthony Fauci

    Fauci does something that would raze and plunder his reputation, then tries to cover it up. Too incompetent to keep his labs sealed, and too incompetent to keep his underlings from accidentally reporting inconvenient truths. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I see the cover-up as a confession. “Oh shit that was me, make sure nobody finds out!” If it wasn’t him he could have pushed the truth to throw his rivals under the bus instead.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
  50. Ron Unz says:
    @Trumpeter

    Two things were obvious. First, there was no appreciable difference in parking lot density and second, you would have to get out to a rural hospital in USA to find a parking lot that empty .

    The same Daily Sceptic editor had published an earlier piece carefully analyzing some of those same issues:

    https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/01/how-the-u-s-accidentally-proved-it-could-not-have-spotted-the-virus-in-china-in-november-2019/

    • Replies: @A123
  51. Alrenous says: • Website
    @pq

    It’s not like moldy cheese sitting in your fridge that you can try and feed to someone to poison them.

    The point of biosafety-4 protocols is that respiratory viruses are exactly like that. Worse, in fact. If you spill a can of coronavirus you can absolutely cause a pandemic. It’s not like it’s guaranteed but it’s very, very far from impossible.

    Or rather, an endemic, as coronaviruses have been known to be endemic since the 1960s.

    If, for example, a researcher improperly takes a sample home for whatever reason, and then the seal is damaged or otherwise compromised (e.g. they trip) while they’re trying to smuggle it back in – there you go, that’s your ground 0. Unless they confess, there are no records. Maybe their boss notices the damaged sample, tracks it down and gets the story, and tells Fauci they may have a problem – over a secure phone line. Maybe.

    The most plausible suggestion for the spread of ncov to date is sewage treatment plants. It goes into toilets, the plants aren’t sealed, so they create a plume of virus, which then settles on nearby neighbourhoods and cheerfully bypasses silly things like masks. Major evidence: they keep finding it in deer and stuff, and you can’t exactly accuse wild animals of failing to keep social distance from humans. (Fun fact corona easily spreads 12 feet; six feet of distance is pure theatre.)

    When you spill a jar of coronavirus, you make a miniature plume of it.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
    , @pq
  52. Phibbs says:

    As we know, Jews own & manage America. The Jew-owned C.I.A. wanted to let loose a designer disease that would kill mostly Iranians. The disease first appeared in Iran. No doubt the bio-weapon labs in Ukraine were busy looking for a designer virus for Russians — a people the Jews also hate.

  53. @pq

    Thank you pq. That was very illuminating.

  54. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Israelis confirmed that November report right away. It was an analysis of hospital parking lot density used as a predictor for pandemic.

    Two things were obvious. First, there was no appreciable difference in parking lot density and second, you would have to get out to a rural hospital in USA to find a parking lot that empty .

    The same Daily Sceptic editor had published an earlier piece carefully analyzing some of those same issues:

    Of course the Israel government has confirmed nothing, nada, zilch. One MEDIA outlet in Israel “claimed” the report existed. However, they have not been able to produce a single page of it.

    This is similar to the American MEDIA claims in APRIL about something that supposedly happened in November. Not a single page has shown up from the U.S. version of the Lügenpresse.

    Odds are the NCMI document does not exist at all. Or, as Sparkon suggests, it was not from a date in November.

    Rumors about a mythical document that was shared with incredibly leaky NATO are very unconvincing. If such a document existed as purported, some or all of it would have leaked to the public by now.

    The question about the disinformation becomes, “Were the media outlets tricked? Or, complicit?”

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  55. skrik says:
    @boynkin

    a paper on what it contained, including a HIV insert, indicating the virus was produced in a lab

    The withdrawn paper is still online, here is V1:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

    Nothing about ‘produced in a lab’, but perhaps this could be a hint:

    “This uncanny similarity of novel inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag is unlikely to be fortuitous”

    Since I am not a virologist, my ‘interested amateur’ opinion [based upon the shaky HIV claims] is: Not convincing. rgds

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  56. skrik says:
    @gay troll

    This shutdown was followed by an epidemic of novel pneumonia with symptoms identical to COVID. There was no way to test for this disease, and the CDC could not say what caused it, but they associated it with vaporizers and called it EVALI

    My theory about this is that yes, EVALI symptoms closely resembled those of SARS-CoV-2 infection, and this could have been a potency/effectiveness test-run without the FCS [= furin cleavage site], thus making the vector non-infective and distributed via black-hat polluted mail-order vaping liquid, delivered by users direct into their lungs. [Mr Unz has never agreed with this theory.] rgds

  57. @anonymous

    China should demand reparations from the US. I think 40 trillion USD is a reasonable number.

  58. Kumbaresu says:
    @obwandiyag

    I tend to believe the Judy Mikovits suspicion that the original outbreaks were caused by toxic flu vaccines in the fall of 2019. All they had to do is to put more crap in the shots than they normally do. This does not sound as sexy as the lab leak theory but it is much closer to the truth. Needless to say, when Fauci and his friends fart, it is much deadlier to the public, than their so called gain of function BS.
    Even the Covid shots did not seem to kill as many people as they wanted. Thank God for making psychopaths so mediocre.

  59. Bro43rd says:
    @Notsofast

    Out of auto-comments, Agree 100%

    • Thanks: Notsofast
  60. @Alrenous

    More than 200 viruses are known to cause cold-like symptoms. One of them mutating at an inconvenient moment is extraordinarily plausible.

    Seriously? Not nearly as “extraordinarily plausible” under the circumstances as the idea that the pathogen responsible was SARS-CoV-2.

    They didn’t report it because USG is amazingly corrupt. All-time world-champions of corruption.

    That’s not an explanation, that’s just hand-waving. Why should generic U.S. “government” “corruption” prevent the CDC from fulfilling its routine responsibilities but not the U.S. post office, for example?

    In any case, if generic “corruption” is somehow the reason why the U.S. “government” didn’t fulfill its legal obligations under IHR(2005) regarding the outbreak in Virginia, why didn’t the generally-recognized-as-very-corrupt government of Argentina also fail to fulfill its responsibilities under IHR(2005) when a similar outbreak of a mysterious respiratory illness occurred there in August 2022?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Argentina#:~:text=In%20Transparency%20International’s%202021,(%22highly%20clean%22).

    https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/who-monitoring-cases-pneumonia-unknown-origin-argentina-2022-09-02/

    Rules? What are those? The WHO works for USG, not the other way around. If it complains too much about USG breaking the rules, it’s the WHO who will get into trouble, not USG.

    Why break the “rules” in this case, just to unnecessarily make yourself look suspicious while trying to put the blame on someone else? That doesn’t make sense. The point is that the corrupt U.S. “government” apparently did not fulfill its legally binding obligations under IHR(2005) not because “shit happens” (or fails to happen) but because the U.S. “government” has something to hide.

    Old folks dying of random colds is the most normal thing in the world.

    ROTFL! What do “old folks dying of random colds” have to do with the subject of the U.S. “government” suspiciously failing to identify the pathogen responsible for the outbreak of an unknown respiratory illness in VA and suspiciously failing to fulfill its obligations under IHR(2005)?

  61. JasonT says:
    @pq

    Absolutely. The scam is simple and only needs a lot of hype and lying to be successful.

  62. JimDandy says:

    Evidence that this was a bioweapon attack–most likely by elements of The Mossad and their obedient vassal agency, The CIA–is very strong, and Ron deserves full credit for illuminating this.

    Street Level Questions: If you’re going to get your bioweapon on, why use such a pisspoor bioweapon? And if the argument is that it was, in fact, a devastating bioweapon, why wouldn’t its unleashers be afraid of getting got by it? Let me guess, they had early access to the vaccines that don’t really work? And surely they didn’t think that the bioweapon would remain contained in the target areas, so… how did they think this would hurt the targets without hurting their own territories? Or was that collateral damage they were more than willing to accept, especially with the trillions in profits that would come from the vaxx sales?

  63. @Alrenous

    I’ll buy all of that.

    What do you make of stories like these? More post cover-up poop thrown at the wall?

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/28/scientist-who-worked-in-wuhan-cant-rule-out-covid-lab-leak-theory/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Alrenous
  64. 1jonny says:
    @obwandiyag

    I got covid. It wasn’t the flu. In fact, it wasn’t nearly as bad as the flu I’d had just a couple of months earlier. But it wasn’t the flu. It was different in character.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  65. Ron Unz says:
    @DCThrowback

    What do you make of stories like these? More post cover-up poop thrown at the wall?

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/28/scientist-who-worked-in-wuhan-cant-rule-out-covid-lab-leak-theory/

    All that’s happening was that the Neocon NY Post was putting an extremely misleading spin on Dr. Anderson’s Bloomberg interview, which presented exactly the opposite conclusions. Just read the actual interview yourself and you’ll see what I mean:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-27/did-covid-come-from-a-lab-scientist-at-wuhan-institute-speaks-out

    She describes the WIV safety precautions as outstanding, better than those in her own Australian lab, and says she’s extremely skeptical that the virus was created at WIV or that there had been any lab leak.

    She’s actually the strongest single eye-witness against the lab-leak hypothesis, and the Post is merely pretending otherwise. Their story is much like those they ran about about Saddam’s WMDs twenty years earlier.

    • Thanks: DCThrowback
  66. @1jonny

    You don’t know anything about the flu. Name one symptom you had that isn’t also a symptom of flu.
    Btw, “character” means nothing.

    • Replies: @1jonny
  67. Go find Bertram Cabot Jr. before it is too late…….

  68. @TG

    That’s my personal theory. Gain of function research is “sexy” but dangerous. Hence why it’s outlawed in the US.

    China, being the wild west of safety allowed it to happen in concert with US researchers (Peter Daszak).

    My thoughts are Fauci knew and was happy for it to happen, but probably wasn’t intimately involved. Noone here actually knows, all we can do is guess

  69. @Old and Grumpy

    Grumpy:
    If China was faking it to get the quick vacine boomerang, how did they know the shot would be a dangerous debacle and not a spectacular success?

  70. cohen says:
    @A123

    123 You are back with your stupid peace emoji while proting killing Palestinian childeren by the Brave Israeli” soldiers. An oxymoron term.
    Then they are promoted on numbers children they kill.

    Good to see back. I was having withdrawal symptoms not seeing a true and devout Christian Zionist

  71. @Alrenous

    Nice try, but the virus spread cannot work that way!

    All the ‘sewage treatment plant’ aerosol exposed to the air will be dead in less time it can spread.
    So, no, I am am not buying the sewage treatment plant theory, especially when there was nothing to worry about. In fact, we cannot even prove the existence of SARS-CoV-2, although, perhaps all the health authorities want is an mRNA positive test that can be from anywhere.

  72. FKA Max says: • Website
    @bike-anarkist

    Highly recommended conversation with the co-authors of the papers I cited. Probably the best 2h 30min one can invest, in order to make sense of what transpired over the last 3 years:

    Is The COVID Lab Leak Hypothesis Dead? w Kristian Andersen, Mike Worobey & Philipp Markolin
    Jul 29, 2022

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  73. pq says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    All those stories of people falling over in China were published and disseminated by Western media.
    Have you seen anyone dropping dead of covid while walking down the street wherever you live?

    Definitely some NATO assets in China (e.g. George Gao head of China CDC who was at Event 201) were used to get the ball rolling in China but do not equate that to the Chinese government which was a target of the psyop. Remember China was blamed for sars 2003 and generally it is in the crosshairs for anything it does. So I believe the government a) relied on ridiculous info fed to them from pandemic architects like George Gao and others b) were trying to save face to not be blamed for another sars event. The big difference between China and the free world_

    -they did not massage their data and they had very few deaths after the initial panic period in Wuhan. They were accused of “covering up deaths” but in fact they had discovered that it was just the flu.

    -they threw everything they had at TREATING ill people rather than having their doctors disappear into hiding.

    The decisions made by people at the top are only as good as the info they get and I’m sure the Chinese government was given a lot of garbage along the way. China has any number of ambitious scientists who see their careers grow by being aligned with Western interests.

    None other than Malone admitted on Joe Rogan that he first heard of the pandemic at the end of December 2019 because he got a call from CIA asset Michael Callaghan who was in Wuhan. And yet Rogan did not ask him what on earth this Callaghan was doing in Wuhan….

  74. pq says:
    @Alrenous

    “If you spill a can of coronavirus….”

    That’s funny! Do you like your virus neat or on the rocks?

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  75. Zane says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    It’s not beyond the CIA to hire a few crisis actors to fall over on the street in China and release some grainy footage to yootoob via a cutout called Jimmy Foo Hoo in Kowloon Tong.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  76. @Anonymous

    Where can I get a bucket of those rebutted porkies?

  77. Notsofast says:
    @gay troll

    remember that operation crimson contagion was started in jan 2019 and ran through aug of 2019. ft detrick was shut down in aug 2019, so this dark plan was already proceeding by then. perhaps the shut down due to a lab leak, was just a cover story, allowing the darpa boys to concoct enough of their vile poison without any oversight. two months later, event 201 (attended by john bolton, even though he had been fired two months earlier), the final dress rehearsal before the military games in wuhan. skirk’s reply seems entirely plausible and the outbreak in a nursing home, 50 mi from ft detrick could well have been a testing ground as well.

    imo the chinese weren’t in on it, as evidenced by their refusal to use mrna based “vaccines” and development of a traditional vaccine that proved at least effective as the clotshots (if you believe the propaganda from pfizer).

    • Replies: @A123
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  78. @Zane

    Agree, now Bill Gates and the demons want to inject our dogs and cats and our food supply with the MRNA genocide clot shots, they are not killing enough with their genocide shots, These demons are evil beyond comprehension.

    • Agree: Zane
  79. A123 says: • Website
    @Notsofast

    remember that operation crimson contagion

    Remember that the Crimson Contagion exercise was a FAILURE. It provided massive evidence that an infectious disease in China would jump the Pacific to wreak havoc in America.

    The existence of Crimson Contagion is strong evidence that the WUHAN-19 virus was *NOT* an attack. it more or less proves that there are only two viable explanations:

    -1- Zoonosis
    -2- Unintended release (not necessarily a laboratory “leak”) from WIV or another nearby facility.

    The most likely scenario for #2 is low paid, non-scientist staff stealing apparently healthy animals from the destruction queue. They were then sold at the Wuhan Wet Market.

    The “lab floor” single source, Danielle Anderson, is limited by the fact no one will corroborate her “lab floor” assertions. Plus, there is no reason to believe she has specific knowledge of the weakest point of the facility away from the “lab floor”. It does not matter how good the “lab floor” techniques are if the unintended release is not the “lab floor”.

    Petty theft of animals is also a highly credible explanation for how the WUHAN-19 virus made it ~8 miles from WIV to the Wuhan Wet Market. The transit was a deliberate part of the criminal exercise, not an accident.

    PEACE 😇

  80. Blaming China for a plainly US bio-weapon is just another filthy, racist, lie, like ‘genocide in Xinjiang’, peddled by evil psychopaths looking for a casus belli to attack and DESTROY China, that affront to the ‘superiority’ of the White, Western, Judeo-Christian Herrenvolk.

    • Agree: Notsofast, acementhead
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  81. @A123

    The filthy Zionazi racist troll seems to have neglected the Zionazi element. After all, her precious ‘Chosen People’ worked for decades with the other apartheid state, Afrikaaner South Africa, searching for genocidal ‘ethnically specific’ bio-weapons. That ‘research’ surely continued after the fall of the Afrikaaners, no doubt with human lab rats gathered up by the Zionazi repression apparatus.

  82. @Notsofast

    Fort Detrick is only ONE of scores of US bio-weapons labs, worldwide. And then there are the Zionazis, avid researchers into ‘ethnically specific’ bio-weapons for many years.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @Wizard of Oz
  83. fkuzmich says:

    There is no covid and there was no lab leak. The lab leak scam was a ruse the jew cabal set up to distract covid skeptics from questioning the entire narrative of a bogus event. The US right fell for the lab leak scam instantly due to the Zionist Bannonite types pushing the goofy explanation onto a Chinese lab for their jewish puppet masters who leaked nothing into the world except a fake story.

    • Agree: Zane
  84. Notsofast says:
    @A123

    while zoonosis may explain your existence, it does not explain the darpa bioweapon known as covid, your worn out cia talking points, prove your nothing but a 50¢ mossad troll.

  85. The BS story of Covid originating from bats on sal e at a Chinese food market is unsustainable. Bats have been around for hundreds thousands of years in caves where primitive man used to live as well.
    The US of late has many bio-tech laboratories scattered all over the plane, including several in Ukraine since 2014 as admitted by Victoria Nuekand before Cngressional enquiry.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  86. A123 says: • Website

    Why does the violent Asian Muslim, Mulga Nobrain, keep trying to reply to my posts. It knows it is in my “Commenters to Ignore” list.

    Could it by the 2nd Pillar of Islam? Taqiyya — Thou must lie to the Infidel in the name of the Anti-Christ Muhammad.

    Such hatred for The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit is destructive to the soul. As as Christian, I feel Pity & offer Forgiveness.

    PEACE 😇

  87. Notsofast says:
    @skrik

    luc montagnier who received the nobel prize for identifying the hiv virus, claimed the presence of elements hiv in the genome of the coronavirus.
    https://www.sott.net/article/433047-nobel-winning-scientist-claims-covid-19-virus-was-man-made

    • Replies: @skrik
  88. Notsofast says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    hell, they had 30 labs in ukraine alone. kind of funny how the u.s. needs so many labs, all over the world and how perscient our “experts” like bill gates have become at prognosticating the next pandemic about to attack us.

  89. Ron Unz says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    Did anyone in China actually fall over dead in the beginning of the Covid thing? The videos of such collapses were all over the internet. Would love to know the answer because if it is none, then China was involved in a psyop that ultimately lead to a failed but dangerous vaccine. Maybe it is time to ditch the nation state paradigm here.

    All those stupid videos were widely promoted and distributed by anti-China activists and anti-China websites and anti-China Tweeters. They were almost certainly produced by anti-China organizations and intended to make it look like China was collapsing due to the Covid epidemic. I think the Falun Gong and other groups like that were involved.

    The notion that Chinese government itself produced videos making it look like their own country was falling apart is so astonishingly stupid that only the most gullible American rightwingers could possibly fall for it.

    First they all fell for the ridiculous videos produced by anti-China activists, then they fell for the claim they’d been produced by the Chinese themselves.

  90. Ron Unz says:
    @One Nobody

    Thank you for your comment. Do you think the fact that the Military Olympic Games, which were held in Wuhan around November 2019, have any relevance to your comment or to the whole affair? It is known that the US delegation was housed 5 minutes from the wet market. Also, the delegation was over 300 members and they did not win one medal between them. The Chineese knicknamed them “Soy Boys.” With the type of services we have, Seals. Rangers, Recon Marines. we couldn’t find one volunteer to win a Bronze in shooting? Instead we sent what seemed to be a bunch of desk jockeys. Could they have been the vector?

    I think it’s quite likely that the Games were used as cover, allowing a couple of American operatives to spread the virus, but much of what you’re saying is false information promoted by pro-China propaganda-activists and widely distributed on the Internet. You might want to take a look at some of my own articles on these issues:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    • Replies: @One Nobody
  91. Ron Unz says:
    @Sparkon

    Wrong. Crimson Contagion did not involve the simulated outbreak of a novel coronavirus.

    You’re being silly. Robert Kadlec, America’s leading biowarfare expert, spent eight months from January to August 2019 running Crimson Contagion, aimed at preparing America for leakage if a dangerous respiratory virus happened to suddenly appear in China. Exactly that sort of virus then appeared in Wuhan a couple of months later, which seems extraordinarily suspicious timing.

    Whether the virus was a coronavirus or a flu virus was entirely immaterial with regard to the defensive preparations.

    • Thanks: Notsofast
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Sparkon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  92. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Let me Fix That For You:

    You’re being silly. Robert Kadlec, America’s leading biowarfare expert, spent eight months from January to August 2019 running Crimson Contagion, Proving that America was 100% defenseless if a contagion started in China.

    Let me restate: (1)

    Crimson Contagion exercise was a FAILURE. It provided massive evidence that an infectious disease in China would jump the Pacific to wreak havoc in America.

    The existence of Crimson Contagion is strong evidence that the WUHAN-19 virus was *NOT* an attack.

    The CCP is responsible for the WUHAN-19 virus. Demanding reparations will not yield payments, but will coalesce national zeal. MAGA Reindustrialization is the future of America.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/article/u-s-government-identified-as-original-source-of-lab-leak-theory-whats-really-going-on/#comment-5755501

  93. @mulga mumblebrain

    Common sense says most are not best described as bioweapons labs evenif very little that goes on at any of them might not contribute to knowledge relevant to biowarfare. The security requirements alone wrt both the wrong people getting sick and the dehence/warfare aspects, would limit the numbers. Then why so many labs in Ukraine? Because that’s where the Soviet Union had them when US public servants or scientists saw the chance to pick them up cheap with the added bonus of being able to operate so.ething without much Congressional or other official oversight. I am referring of course to the concentrated atttention on Ukraine.

  94. @mulga mumblebrain

    That’s ridiculous on a couple of levels. The idea that China needs to fear destruction by anyone, including the US, is absurd and paranoid. And who’s blaming China for etc? Who, apart from RU,thinks there was a bioweapon attack? The overwhelmingly probable cause of embarrassment – if for anyone – lies in the joint efforts to do gain of function research at Wuhan – which many individuals thought it in their interests to cover up with obfuscation.

  95. Sparkon says:
    @Ron Unz

    My point was merely that Kadlec’s Crimson Contagion did not simulate an epidemic or pandemic from a coronavirus, as has been falsely claimed by some here, obviously to support the fantastic idea that SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab to unleash against China using the Wuhan Games as cover.

    The satellite parking lot data is interesting but inconclusive, in my view, and the authors acknowledge its limitations for Wuhan in the period under scrutiny 2019 – 2020.

    The use of satellite data does come with limitations that are amplified in densely populated urban areas. The presence of tall buildings cast shadows that block the view of parking lots, requiring images to be taken at noon local time and exactly overhead. Wuhan experienced a significant amount of cloudy weather during November to February 2019 [sic] which along with the consistent smog, created limitations in high quality images that could be harvested

    Their Baidu search engine data is even more interesting as it shows an uptick in Internet searches for “cough’ and “diarrhea” in Wuhan beginning in August 2019. I don’t know why the authors didn’t include “fever,” but if this data from August 2019 has any merit, it at least rules out any role of the Wuhan Games or its athletes, and tends to support the entirely natural emergence of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19.

    Analysis of hospital traffic and search engine data…

    Using molecular dating tools and epidemiological simulations, researchers … estimate that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was likely circulating undetected for at most two months before the first human cases of COVID-19 were described in Wuhan, China in late-December 2019.
    […]
    “Our approach yielded some surprising results. We saw that over two-thirds of the epidemics we attempted to simulate went extinct… This finding supports the notion that humans are constantly being bombarded with zoonotic pathogens.”

    [my bold]

    Novel Coronavirus Circulated Undetected Months before First COVID-19 Cases in Wuhan, China

    • Troll: Notsofast
  96. Zane says:

    Covid shmovid. The CIA needs to get out of the virus business.

  97. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Who, apart from RU,thinks there was a bioweapon attack?

    Didn’t you actually bother reading this very article? It certainly seems to point towards exactly the scenario I’ve been describing for almost three years now, and a couple of previous articles by the same writer also raised the same very dark suspicions.

    The author is Dr. Will Jones, a British Ph.D. who’s the editor of The Daily Sceptic, a well-regarded science-oriented webzine founded a couple of years ago by Toby Young, a longtime British journalist and public intellectual.

    Over the last couple of years quite a number of reasonably prominent people have privately told me that my analysis seems pretty plausible. But this is just about the first time several articles along exactly those lines have appeared in print, so I’m extremely pleased with this important development.

    I strongly suggest that you reread the article and also notice that I’m not the author.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  98. @obwandiyag

    Yeah, man…’ Event 201 ‘ in…’ action ‘…Or what Prof. Webster Tarpley called ‘ synthetic terror ‘ ( an exercise/drill which changes in real time ( as Sept.11, London bombing, many school shootings and so on ). Can you say ‘ false flag operations ‘…?!…PS: apparently most of the sheeple, I mean people didn’t figure out that the real bio-weapon is the so-called ‘ vaccine ‘…Kissinger said it ( when most of the people will accept any vaccine – for the ‘ common good ‘, they will accept euthanasia…GAME OVER ). Also,

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  99. The US government covers every angle of the origin story ad nauseum, except for those that point to a domestic US military or lab source. We already know there was foreknowledge here before China or anybody else knew, with Israel getting an early warning. It’s an Empire of Chaos, Death and Lies: do the math.

    And besides, the jabs and lockdowns are doing the most damage, which is only just getting started. And since everybody knows precisely where those came from, it might be a better place to direct our attention.

  100. Keep attention on vaxx, other poisons and repressive measures.

  101. @One Nobody

    Military games version is my domain, Canuck team was sick as dogs coming home, but it was still bad flu, anyone anywhere show me the proof of an isolated covid sample.

    All court cases for forged vax passes in Canada were dropped because they could not provide proof , and did not want to have to! Or admit they could not.

    Not one charge except the guy in Alberta, and his case was dismissed.

    The vax is the killer, and by the way, anagram for omicron is MORONIC!!

    They tell us right to our face and we still don’t get it!

    Foghorn Leghorn:

    “I’m-pitching Them, but you ain’t catching them”
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😢🇨🇦

  102. @Jesuitic Ziowahhabiz

    YESSSSSSSS

    Why do they continue to play along and do the COVID dance in Beijing and Moscow, if it was a US bioweapon?

    Still haven’t heard a convincing answer from any corner of the online commentariat as to why these ostensible adversaries keep on playing along.

  103. Of course, this means this was done with the full knowledge of the Trump Administration, which blamed Gyna while doing fuck-all to protect American rights while proudly pushing the vaccines.

    Videos of people dying on the floors of Chinese hospitals were “leaked” on Reddit, so the media could ignore them, and create a sentiment among the government-skeptical right that something was being hidden from the rubes. We were played, used to create confusion. I was taken by these and was telling people all over in late 2019-early 2020 that something BAD was coming from China. Meanwhile, the scum media was telling people that it was all conspiracy theorizing by the tinfoil-hat set, -ist and -ism words flew, we were told to go celebrate Chinese New Year.

    Then it all turned on a dime, suddenly we were all going to die, the rubes lost their minds, and failed to question why every single government department, organization, corporation, all came out with the exact same Covid messaging, all at the exact same time. Things that take a lot of time to coordinate and put together were all ready to go! A neat new tool called Zoom began to get a lot of advertisment on the TV. Again, just in time for the new normal! How convenient!

    Then Biden, who up to this time hadn’t managed to fill a high school gymnasium and was calling his own supporters fat and challenging them to pushup contests, began to pull ahead in the polls, just in time for lockdown.

    Folks, this whole mother-loving thing was written just like a Hollywood drama, and ALL the major players in the world are in on it. The BLM riots were act 2. Ukraine is act 3. Putin was good enough to wait until ZOG was out of Afghanistan before he launched his special operation. Almost six months to the day. I don’t know how people still believe in coincidence after all this. All these governments are working together toward the same goals.

  104. skrik says:
    @Notsofast

    luc montagnier …, claimed

    That’s an example of the ‘authority fallacy’ also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam = cuts no mustard.

    In science, the ‘gold standard’ = peer-reviewed papers; got any *real* evidence?

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  105. @Punchthem

    The World Wide Web was invented at CERN. The Internet is an earlier invention, in which DARPA played a crucial role.

  106. GMC says:
    @boynkin

    Nothing surprises me anymore b – I can only imagine how many are in Mexico – Ukraine { with 6 Jewish Oligarchs} had 20 before the Russians walked in – the entire world is wired and we all know who loves to wire the world for a Sampson option. Even Japan got a wake up call with Fukushima.

  107. Alrenous says: • Website
    @DCThrowback

    I would put that down to noise.

    The scientist is saying what she believes, and it hasn’t occurred to her that someone would smuggle a sample out of the lab. She’s too dumb to realize she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.

    The NYP is trolling by publishing it. They’re not trying to help. Or harm, for that matter. Just trying to get a reaction without catching an actual libel charge or Twitter ban. They don’t care about the truth, or about what the narrative is supposed to be, they just think this sort of thing will rile somebody up.
    Check: headline (“can’t rule it out”) upsets Regime pets, while the body upsets everyone who likes the headline (“extraordinarily unlikely, nearly impossible”).

  108. Alrenous says: • Website
    @pq

    Biosafety-4 labs think they can go on hiring morons like everyone else can.

    What actually happens: in a BSL-4 lab, the samples are supposed to be stored in sophisticated vaults. If you’re studying metal you can just huck the metal bar on a shelf, and now your lab is tidy. With highly contagious viruses, not so much. If your vault designer was phoning it in that day, it can take, what, like half an hour to go through the vault protocol? If your architect was phoning it in, there will be a queue.

    So some lab tech goes, “This sample is already sealed, I’m going to be working on it again first thing tomorrow, I’m just going to take it home.” They break the seal on their moon-suit, slip into a pocket, zip up again, and check that nobody saw. (They didn’t.)

    Or maybe they think viruses aren’t like moldy cheese and can’t infect anyone without a syringe.

    I shouldn’t really say that you can’t run a BSL-4 lab in China. You just can’t run it on the European recipe. (Egalitarians can’t run a BSL-4 lab in China.) To start with, plan to have an observer for every scientist. They don’t understand Nature is always watching, so convert that to something they do understand, and have a person always watching. CPIB, biolab ver.
    Make the observer responsible for memorizing all of the protocol. Asians like being nudged into conformity all the time, apparently. They certainly act as if they deliberately introduce minor mistakes to see if anyone will scold them.

  109. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Contraviews

    Rats have been around for hundreds of thousands of years but the Black Plague wasn’t a Plague until 1346. New mutations happen.

    Not in this case. But they do happen.

  110. Notsofast says:
    @SS-The Independent

    both covid and the “vaccine” are the bio weapons, ralph baric (fauci/nih/darpa) has a 2015 patent on attaching bat spike proteins to an existing coronavirus, the same technology is used in the mrna “vaccines”. remember the chinese didn’t go in for the mrna clotshots and developed a tradition vaccine, the bastards that developed this bio weapon years ago and may well have developed a traditional vaccine for themselves and family, while poisoning the rest of the world with both the disease and “vaccine”, insuring that we would be infected one way or the other. with that said the “vaccines” and their multiple boosters seems to due the most damage (duh). before the past was entirely memory holed, vaccines were never given more than once in a years time but as dr fauci told us the “science has changed”.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  111. Notsofast says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    who, apart from ru, thinks there was a bioweapon attack?

    most of the more intelligent commenters, those that aren’t deepstate 5 eyed/mossad trolls spewing their endless, desperate cia talking points.

    • Replies: @A123
  112. Notsofast says:
    @skrik

    peer reviewed studies all depend on who the “peers” are, if you really want to understand this, read bobby kennedy’s “the real anthony fauci”, he goes into a great deal of detail, explaining how fauci captured this process. if you’re going to wait for a “peer reviewed” study on this, you’re going to be waiting a long time as they won’t conduct one. luc montagnier was the first to discover the hiv virus and he sent his work to fauci to “peer review” it, fauci sat on the work while his partner robert gallo copied it and tried to claim it as his own. one of fauci’s assistants called him out on it and ended up being thrown in jail, as they siezed her lap top with the evidence on it. fauci destroyed her career and in fact he destroyed dr. montagnier’s career after he had been awarded the nobel prize for his discovery. in fact fauci, the rat bastard prick, that he is, actually sued montagnier in a corrupt u.s. court (what other kind are there?) claiming gallo deserved credit and stole his prize money, just to let people know what happens to any that dare cross him.

    when it comes to the cdc, nih, who, etc., your “gold standard” peer reviewed studies aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.

    prosecute/fauci

    • Replies: @skrik
  113. Rahan says:
    @Jesuitic Ziowahhabiz

    Anyway, the unsafe and ineffective Chinese/Russian “vaccine” is “traditional”,

    The Russian Sputnik is the Astra Zeneca and Janssen adenoviral tech clot shot.

    The Chinese Cinovac and Sinofarm ones are trad dead virus ones.

    Timeline:
    1) The Chinese trad vax is supposed to be worse compared to the clotshots and mutagen jabs
    2) The virus mutates and the Chinese trad vax suddenly works better (contains all parts of the virus and not just one, hence initial mutations do not matter as much)
    3) The Omicron era dawns and nobody can pretend their shit works anymore, until a bit back when western big pharma declared new boosters that allegedly do, but somehow don’t bring hospitalisations down

    The Russian Sputnik was presented in western msm as a dirtier version of Astra Zeneca and J&J but in the end 74 countries used it.https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/12/

    The two Chinese ones were used by 93 and 56 countries respectively.
    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/5/
    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/7/

    When measuring the shots not by “effectiveness against COVID” but rather by “how much do they fuck you up”, the clear winner for now appear to be Chinese ones. More like flushots in the direct harm department when compared to the Russian or Western hardcore shit.

    All counties outside China, Russia, and the “free world” and its direct vassals, used all possible vaccines, except San Marino which only used Sputnik
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00198-5/fulltext

    • Thanks: Alrenous
  114. A123 says: • Website
    @Notsofast

    who, apart from ru, thinks there was a bioweapon attack?

    most of the more intelligent commenters, those that aren’t deepstate 5 eyed/mossad trolls spewing their endless, desperate cia talking points.

    You have this 180° backwards.

    Deep State, desperate Iran/CIA trolls spewing for the UN/NWO are the ones determined to exonerate the CCP. Only low-IQ Sheeple believe this establishment bunkum.

    Intelligent, Open Minded, MAGA supporters abhor the Deep State and its propaganda. That is why we do not buy into the obviously bogus talking point — “CCP is 100% innocent “. Everyone with a modicum of IQ grasps that the WUHAN-19 virus came out of a CCP laboratory.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  115. @Ron Unz

    …The notion that Chinese government itself produced videos making it look like their own country was falling apart is so astonishingly stupid that only the most gullible American rightwingers could possibly fall for it…

    The Chinese government might have wanted to produce material justifying its draconian response.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  116. @Notsofast

    The parasites would not need a ‘safe vaccine’. They need only keep their Vitamin D levels healthy, practise nasal lavage and take IVM, HCQ or fluvoxamine. Any in good health under c.sixty have nothing to fear in the first place. I very much doubt that any important members of the global elite have gone anywhere near mRNA injections.

  117. @A123

    How the fuck does a vicious, racist, supremacist, Talmudist troll like you get the chutzpah to speak of people with ‘..a modicum of IQ’? You’d be blessed to have even a modicum of a modicum, but when it comes to hatred, you have it in excess, like all your type.

  118. @Wizard of Oz

    Obviously you are unwilling to face facts. The USA has worked RELENTLESSLY to ‘..bring China down’, since 1949. For an early example, they recruited Tibetans and trained them in Colorado at high altitude during the 50s, recruited the Dalai as an asset, launched an attempted takeover in 1959, and they have financed the Dalai claque ever since.
    In Xinjiang they peddle truly FILTHY lies re. the Uighurs, and support, finance and train the ETIM salafist butchers and use them as BRUTAL proxies in Syria. They finance separatists in ‘South Mongolia’ ie Inner Mongolia, and the compradore vermin in Hong Kong and Taiwan. Bit by bit they spend BILLIONS on an unceasing effort to destroy China and split it into pieces as they did in the USSR, Yugoslavia and elsewhere, yet you cannot see it? How odd.
    The basic fact is that the USA is the most belligerent, aggressive, murderous and destructive force in all history. It has surrounded China with hundreds of bases, while China has NONE anywhere near the USA, yet for Western racist liars, China is ‘the aggressor’. The USA and its stooges like Austfailia, approach China with undisguised racist arrogance and malice. China MUST end embargoes on our products, but we have no need, being superior, to end the mendacious embargo on Huawei. The Western supremacists have NO intention of allowing White, Western, Anglo ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ over ALL humanity, including the ‘ChiComms’ to end, EVER.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  119. @mulga mumblebrain

    What did I say that you intend that to be an answer to?

  120. skrik says:
    @Notsofast

    fauci destroyed her career and in fact he destroyed dr. montagnier’s career

    Yes, I’ve read things along this line, and by all means “prosecute/fauci.”

    when it comes to the cdc, nih, who, etc., your “gold standard” peer reviewed studies aren’t worth the paper they are printed on

    Yes [thanks for opening this grand can of worms], I agree; but it does not mean that some slightly more honest scientists well outside of the tyrannical zusa orbit couldn’t do some real work on the SARS-CoV-2 content and origins. As for the withdrawn HIV-inclusions paper, one of the claims relates to the FCS, but we know that that can’t be anything from HIV because the exact origin of the FCS was reported in the “MSH3 Homology and Potential Recombination” paper. rgds

  121. @Ron Unz

    Whether the virus was a coronavirus or a flu virus was entirely immaterial with regard to the defensive preparations.

    Not a very big quibble but that seems to be wrong if you are referring to the weight of evidence on the side of your biowarfare attack on China theory. That is unless, with characteristic debating virtuosity you declared the non use of the coronavirus threat as an obvious element in a well thought out program of subterfuge😎

  122. @Ron Unz

    Thanks. It was not a case of my not bothering to read the article. What happened was a result of UR no longer sending me email advice of replies to my comments. I use a workaround of clicking on my moniker above any comment in any thread so that I can see what replies there may be. Maybe I also clicked on Mulga Mumblebrain and thereby found one of his/their deranged outbursts that I couldn’t resist analysing and responding to.

    I agree that Will Jones is worth reading. Indeed I think I have sent you a link (perhaps repeating another commenter’s link to it) that should make us anti-anti-vaxxers uneasy.

    That said, I think he makes the same mistakes as you, especially in assuming the medical intelligence agency’s report actually exists rather than being an imaginary artefact of anti Trump intelligence people. He also makes a meal of the simple motivation on the part of many to have US scientists’ and technocrats’ connection to what was done at WIV obscured.

    BTW I can’t understand why you also keep on insisting on the importance of the Australian scientist Dr Anderson’s brief unsworn and uncrossexamined evidence. I don’t have to doubt her honesty to be unsure that she knew and had observed everything that she reported on or that there was more to be said on biosecurity in Wuhan institutions.

    • Replies: @A123
  123. @Ron Unz

    Thank you Mr. Unz, I will read those articles.

  124. A123 says: • Website

    BTW I can’t understand why you also keep on insisting on the importance of the Australian scientist Dr Anderson’s brief unsworn and uncrossexamined evidence. I don’t have to doubt her honesty to be unsure that she knew and had observed everything that she reported on or that there was more to be said on biosecurity in Wuhan institutions.

    The problems with using Danielle Anderson as a source are huge. The top 2 are:

    -1- She claimed WIV could not be performing the type of research. Yet, we know from the Eco Health Alliance document release that they were conducting such genetic modifications on the SARS virus. She is discredited on the facts.

    -2- Coronavirus is handled at BSL2. Anderson worked in a different part of WIV under BSL4. She has no direct knowledge of the effectiveness in the BSL2 part of the facility.

    Both of these facts are 100% disqualifying.
    ___

    I think Mr. Unz is stuck. Regardless of how bad the single source may be, he cannot go to “no source” as that would collapse his precarious house of cards.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  125. A123 says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    #128 is intended to be a reply to your post #125.

    Human error on my part. And, I did not catch it within the 5 minute window.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  126. 1jonny says:
    @obwandiyag

    Yeah, I do know something about the flu. I’ve gotten it periodically my whole life. You have severe aches and pains. You run pretty high fever. You have bad chills. You may have a sore throat. You feel like you’re about to die and don’t care much if you do. After several days it goes away leaving you basically as though nothing had ever happened, somewhat weaker for a day or two maybe.

    Covid was somewhat similar, somewhat different. I could especially tell because I’d had the flu just recently. That’s why I said it was different in “character”. I had a dry cough, no sore throat, no aches and pains, just a dry cough and fever that wasn’t as bad as when I had the flu. But I don’t think you’re interested in that. The way you answered me makes me think you just want to say I don’t know what I’m talking about because what I say doesn’t suit your agenda. I get the impression that you’re one of these typical stupid dipsticks who takes one side or another of these arguments and argues it to no end with no interest in learning anything or changing their argument when new information arises. As the saying goes, that’s why we can’t have nice things.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  127. A123 says: • Website

    Why is it important to support MAGA?

    They work against establishment swamp creatures like McConnell. (1)

    Republican Party of Kentucky, Home State of Mitch McConnell, Receives Generous $1 Million Donation from Pfizer

    As many have eloquently said before, politics is a circle of money. The politicians provide taxpayer funds to selected private sector businesses, and those corporations fund the political efforts of the politicians. It’s a circle of interests disconnected from the American electorate.

    In the latest example, the pharmaceutical corporation Pfizer, a multinational who received billions in taxpayer funds for their COVID-19 vaccination and other efforts, now gives a generous $1 million contribution to the Republican Party of Kentucky to expand a new building for the state party. Kentucky is the home state of Senate Leader Mitch McConnell.

    Nothing to see here, move along, move along folks….

    McConnell needs to join Liz Cheney as a Democrat.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/14/republican-party-of-kentucky-home-state-of-mitch-mcconnell-receives-generous-1-million-donation-from-pfizer/

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  128. So I am in the camp that says “Cov=flu”, mostly because the flu magically disappeared (as did pollution related illnesses in places such as India) when “Covid” was rampant.

    I also suspect that China was complicit in pushing the fearporn.

    However, this study made me go WTF?!

    ACE2-K26R; which is most frequent in Ashkenazi Jewish population decreased the SARS-CoV-2/ACE2 electrostatic attraction. On the contrary, ACE2-I468V, R219C, K341R, D206G, G211R increased the electrostatic attraction; ordered by binding strength from weakest to strongest. The aforementioned variants are most frequent in East Asian, South Asian, African and African American, European, European and South Asian populations, respectively.

    I’m sure someone has already linked it here

  129. @1jonny

    First of all you’re a troll, because it took you so long to respond–that is a sure shibboleth of the troll.

    Second of all, why would I want to “learn” from internet liars? Like yourself, that is. I wouldn’t. The only thing one can learn from liars, like you, is to shun them.

  130. @Sparkon

    And have you heard the result of Ron Unz’s FOIA requests for the report or anything which suggests it might have existed?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  131. @FKA Max

    For those without the 2 hr 30 min to “invest” would you please summarise the conclusions you draw based on what you heard and which matters of clear factual evidence and convincing reasoning tied it up for you.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  132. skrik says:

    I just read this:

    The choice we have today is between a complete moratorium on vaccine mandates and some kind of “truth and reconciliation” process to try and earn back the public trust, or something that more closely resembles pitchforks and torches (not to mention guillotines).
    I think we’d all prefer the former

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/they-promised-safe-and-effective-we-got-sudden-and-unexpected

    Obviously, the theme is mRNA vaxx induced deaths. Some sources of info cannot be hidden, for example, insurance premiums. IF there is a real, ‘unexplained’ increase in ‘excess deaths’ THEN many insurance companies will have to a) massively increase premiums OR b) go broke.

    I’m now entering ‘waiting’ mode on this one. rgds

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  133. Notsofast says:
    @A123

    he’s the 5 eyed and you’re the mossad troll working in tandem to promote your tired cia talking points, another 50¢ for you, i don’t know what he gets maybe a fosters.

    anyone that thinks trump isn’t part of the deep-state is a moron,
    deep state=cia=mossad=israel.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @A123
  134. A123 says: • Website
    @Notsofast

    ROTFLMAO

    Only #Bidenistas, like you, do not realize anti-Trump forces are part of the Deep State. Thank you for admitting that you are belong to the Sheeple population of blindly obedient, desperate, Iran/CIA trolls.

    No doubt, the Islamophile UN/NWO/WEF appreciates your science denial.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Notsofast
  135. @skrik

    The simple fact is that ‘vaccine’ mandates are in complete contradiction to the Nuremberg Laws, ie one of the foundations of International Law, the World Medical Association’s Helsinki Declaration and UNESCO’s Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, yet NO-ONE in the ‘Free World’ under the ‘Rules Based International Order’ gives a fuck, and the MSM vermin dare not say a word. How the eff any ‘judge’ approves of these mandates, in the face of those facts, is beyond me, but testifies, I would say, to the innate corruption of the Western ‘Rule of Law’.

    • Agree: Notsofast, skrik
  136. @A123

    ‘Human’ error? Does that not contradict Talmudist orthodoxy, that you are a ‘God Upon the Earth’? Apostasy? Secret Moslem?

  137. @A123

    Both of your ‘facts’ are propaganda tropes, you racist, hate-crazed, troll.

  138. Sparkon says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    No, and I thought Ron had demurred on the idea of the FOIA request, but perhaps this is just your way of needling him on the issue.

    In any case, it seems to me a more fruitful avenue of inquiry leads to ABC News and the Israeli TV station, the parties who’ve made these claims about the mythical NCMI report.

    It’s way past time for these individuals at ABC and the Israeli TV station who claim to have knowledge about the alleged report to identify themselves, step forward and make themselves available to the press and the public for cross-examination.

  139. Notsofast says:
    @A123

    unlike you, i am not a troll, anyone that takes the time to read my comments, will realize that i don’t support either of these israeli ass licking parties and their cartoon character candidates.

    here’s an emoji for you:
    #foad troll🖕

  140. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    If it had been a Wuhan lab leak the virus would have first been detected and spread in a different location than the Huanan Market, since the market is a relatively-low-foot-traffic area “The market accounted for 0.04% (120 of 262,233) of all social media check-ins to the >400 sites in Wuhan identified as especially likely to be potential superspreader locations and which received at least as many social media visits as the Huanan market.https://archive.ph/TUWI0#selection-4235.179-4235.433
    Alternatively, if it had been a targeted biological warfare attack on China and Iran, it makes no sense (to me, at least) that the virus only showed up in Iran almost two months after it first emerged in China “On 19 February 2020, Iran reported its first confirmed cases of infections in Qom.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Iran
    Consequentially, a natural zoonotic origin of the virus in the Huanan Market in Wuhan is the most reasonable, plausible and probable explanation.
    It’s a simple deductive reasoning and reverse engineering decision tree exercise, IMHO.

  141. Chebyshev says:
    @FKA Max

    Alternatively, if it had been a targeted biological warfare attack on China and Iran, it makes no sense (to me, at least) that the virus only showed up in Iran almost two months after it first emerged in China “On 19 February 2020, Iran reported its first confirmed cases of infections in Qom.”

    Presumably there would have been two separate releases: the first in Wuhan, and the second in Qom, weeks later.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  142. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Chebyshev

    It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would the Americans or Israelis wait that long and give two months notice to the Iranian leadership, so it could have potentially put Putin-style — ‘Disinfection tunnel’ set up to protect Vladimir Putin from coronavirus https://archive.ph/Bc70R — safety protocols, mechanisms and precautions in place, that would/could have protected the elderly mullahs from infection? I wouldn’t put it past the Israelis, that somehow they could have perhaps intentionally and clandestinely released the natural, zoonotic Huanan Market virus from Wuhan in Qom, after it had been detected, spread and captured in Israel. But that would still not make it an U.S.-originated biological weapon. Plus, the virus was actually not detected in Israel until two days after it was detected in Qom, since the Israelis shut down most flights into Israel very early on: “The first case in Israel was confirmed on 21 February 2020, when a female citizen tested positive for COVID-19 at the Sheba Medical Center after return from quarantine on the Diamond Princess ship in Japan. […] On 26 January 2020, Israel advised against non-essential travel to China.[23] On 30 January, Israel suspended all flights from China.[24] On 17 February, Israel extended the ban to include arrivals from Thailand, Hong Kong, Macau, and Singapore.[25] On 22 February, a flight from Seoul, South Korea, landed at Ben Gurion Airport. An ad hoc decision was made to allow only Israeli citizens to disembark the plane, and all non-Israeli citizens aboard returned to South Korea.” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Israel

  143. Chebyshev says:

    It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would the Americans or Israelis wait that long and give two months notice to the Iranian leadership, so it could have potentially put Putin-style…safety protocols, mechanisms and precautions in place, that would/could have protected the elderly mullahs from infection?

    I don’t see why the Iranian leadership would have done that – no one would have expected the virus to jump from China to Qom.

  144. @FKA Max

    Yes, but the nature of the virus, a chimera with an inserted furin cleavage site, makes a natural origin very nearly impossible. And why would the attack on Iran not have been delayed? Why should it have occurred at the same time as Wuhan, or briefly thereafter? And why do ‘social media checkins’ acquaint to actual visits, particularly among the middle-aged and elderly, who simply know where the markets are and what they sell?

  145. Alrenous says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    It’s very easy to explain this.

    1) It leaked much earlier than it was reported.

    2) China covered it up because they didn’t want to have to do the full panicdemic lockdown that China does with viruses, and hoped it would go away on its own.

    3) Shows up in Iran, which gets a lot of Chinese travel, and nobody tells them they’re supposed to be keeping it a secret because they don’t speak Mandarin.

    4) When it becomes clear to the relevant Chinese officials that it’s not going away, they create a quick alternative narrative where it comes from low-status working-class areas, not their fancy prestigious labs. “Oh uh yeah I wasn’t hiding anything we totally just found it in the wet market you guys. Just now. For realz. Nobody could have known.”

    Alt: the Party official responsible for Wuhan kept the reports hidden because he knows someone has to be blamed for a new outbreak and it’s probably going to be him.
    “What’s the penalty for hiding an outbreak?”
    “Death.”
    “What’s the penalty for reporting a new outbreak?”
    “Death.”
    “…huh….”

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