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Tucker Carlson’s critique of unrestrained capitalism last week sent the Respectable Righ t into apoplectic fury. That’s why it’s irrelevant—and why Carlson is increasingly emerging as a name to conjure with.

In a now-celebrated monologue on his Fox News show, Carlson blamed multinational corporations and urban elites for the decline of Middle America. [Mitt Romney supports the status quo. But for everyone else, it’s infuriating, Fox News, January 3, 2019] He listed several social ills that he attributed to unrestrained capitalism, including predatory loans, higher drug use, declining marriage rates, and shuttered factories.

Carlson lambasted “conservatives” who bemoan the decay of the family but refuse to consider if capitalism played any role in that tragedy. According to Carlson, “conservatives” consider criticism of the free market to be apostasy.

He offered this blunt advice to Republicans who want to make America great again.

Republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is not a religion. Market capitalism is a tool, like a staple gun or a toaster. You’d have to be a fool to worship it. Our system was created by human beings for the benefit of human beings. We do not exist to serve markets. Just the opposite. Any economic system that weakens and destroys families is not worth having. A system like that is the enemy of a healthy society.

Needless to say, this opinion was met with frothing anger by several Conservatism Inc. writers, a crowd that seems to believe the free market a holy thing that must not suffer blasphemy. They were upset that anyone would dare suggest that the state could act to rectify social ills, arguing that this was rank demagogy and antithetical to conservatism. National Review published several op-eds condemning Tucker’s monologue—a sure sign of Respectable Right displeasure.

David French, briefly Bill Kristol’s Never Trump catspaw, represented the typical response in The Right Should Reject Tucker Carlson’s Victimhood Populism. [National Review, January 4, 2019]. French claims to agree with Carlson that Middle America suffers from numerous ills, but he argues the state should play no role with fixing them. Thus payday loans are a necessary part of capitalism, drug criminalization is bad because it puts nice minorities in jail, and radical feminism and Affirmative Action aren’t serious concerns.

French also defended the virtue of America’s elites, citing their charitable giving (including to National Review?) to absolve the ir disdain of the working class and support for outsourcing:

Carlson is advancing a form of victim-politics populism that takes a series of tectonic cultural changes—civil rights, women’s rights, a technological revolution as significant as the industrial revolution, the mass-scale loss of religious faith, the sexual revolution, etc.—and turns the negative or challenging aspects of those changes into an angry tale of what they are doing to you.

French’s solution is for the working class to go to community college and for America to magically experience an organic renewal of virtue. It’s all up to the individual to make America better:

[T]he primary responsibility for creating a life of virtue and purpose rests with families and individuals. In fact, it is still true that your choices are far more important to your success than any government program or the actions of any nefarious banker or any malicious feminist.

It is certainly true that your family and your own choices has a great influence over whether you live a virtuous and even happy life. But that does not show how social ills will somehow be corrected by self-help advice.

Additionally, as one man from a Midwest town destroyed by plant closures pointed out on Twitter, community college and re-training are not sufficient in equaling the old manufacturing jobs. “‘New tech always comes along to save the day’ does not apply. The late 19th-Century farm workers who flocked to Henry Ford for jobs after the last great labor upheaval have nowhere to go this time,” the man, Tom Ferguson, tweeted.

  • Greenville has only 8,000 residents, but is the largest city in Montcalm County. The plant closure eliminated 3,000 jobs. As long as we’re quantifying, I’ll note the equivalence to 3,000,000 (sic) jobs being lost in New York City. 4/20
  • The local community college offered communications and other job-skills courses. My recollection says this noble effort, measured across 3,000 layoffs, was not very meaningful. 8/20
  • “New tech always comes along to save the day” does not apply. The late 19th-Century farm workers who flocked to Henry Ford for jobs after the last great labor upheaval have nowhere to go this time. 11/20

(See the whole thread here, here, or (as a screenshot) here.)

French also failed to consider how much influence a “malicious feminist” can have over the lives of normal people. Just one “offensive” tweet can cost somebody their career and reputation if Leftists stir up a mob. Good luck finding a job if your Google history is says you’re a sexist. Additionally, Human Resources Departments are run to conform to Leftist dictates, and your private speech and views could draw the suspicion of HR at any time.

Daily Wire editor-in-chief Ben Shapiro attacked Carlson in two separate articles. The first, for his own website, zealously defended the greatness of the free market and the purity of movement conservatism: “Traditional conservatives recognized that the role of economics is to provide prosperity – to raise the GDP,” is a sentence that best summarizes Shapiro’s ridiculous retconning of a once-great movement [Tucker Carlson Claims Market Capitalism Has Undermined American Society. He’s Wrong., by Ben Shapiro, Daily Wire, January 4, 2019]

Shapiro truly believes the free market is one of the greatest things to ever exist and it must not be restrained. All social problems, according to him, are due to individual choices and we should not seek collective solutions to social ills like declining marriage rates and fewer good jobs for working-class males. Trust the free market and insist a virtue renewal will resolve the problems state aims to solve.

Shapiro followed up his Daily Wire column with a short column in National Review that also insisted we need a virtue renewal instead of a state intervention into the market. Shapiro believes we just need Americans to stop wanting “stuff” and exhibit virtue in order to bring back Middle America [America Needs Virtue before Prosperity, by Ben Shapiro, National Review, January 8, 2019].

“Carlson’s claim that material gain isn’t enough to provide happiness doesn’t lead him back to virtue, which would bolster additional freedom. It leads him to the same material solutions that undercut virtue in the first place,” Shapiro concluded,.

It would be nice if people would make themselves better and get the right job training after they read one National Reviewcolumn. But that’s not going to happen and Shapiro offers no means for enacting a renewal of virtue.

In effect, all of Carlson’s Conservatism Inc. critics demand we must do nothing about the woes of working-class whites and the free market will figure out something.

So at a time when a majority of Americans—including a majority of Republicans—support single-payer healthcare and other big government initiatives, Conservatism Inc. pundits offer platitudes about limited government and the greatness of capitalism [Most young Americans prefer socialism to capitalism, new report finds, by Kathleen Elkins, CNBC, August 14, 2018].

This will not end well.

Indeed, Carlson anticipated noted this response in his monologue:

Socialism is exactly what we’re going to get, and very soon unless a group of responsible people in our political system reforms the American economy in a way that protects normal people

(Carson did not directly mention immigration, somewhat surprising because it has been one of his long-standing concerns. But it ties into this debate. Many of the Conservativism Inc, types outraged at Tucker also support mass immigration and buy into the notion that America is a “nation of immigrants.” They see America as primarily an economy or an idea, not a nation. Tucker’s national populism reverses those false notions—America is a nation first and its primary responsibility is to its citizens, not the GDP.

Carlson’s economic populism pairs with his support for patriotic immigration reform: both policies aim to serve the people’s interest and strengthen America as a unified community. This vision conflicts with multinational corporations who would rather see America as one giant strip mall filled with atomized customers. Not surprisingly, these companies oppose patriotic immigration reform. Also not surprisingly, so does Conservatism Inc.

The unfortunate fact is that American corporations pose the greatest threat to our fundamental liberties and way of life. They censor free speech, make banking difficult for political dissidents, exclusively promote progressive causes, listen to foreign governments more than our own, promote mass immigration, and demonstrate a loyalty only to their own profits and power. Currently, in fact, they are increasingly boycotting Tucker Carlson’s show, to Leftist applause.

The only institution that can stand up to corporations and tell them to change is the state—which happens to be the only institution patriots can have any influence over. Academia, Hollywood, corporate America, and the Establishment Media are all under the thrall of Cultural Marxists. (The churches are a more complicated matter, but fewer Americans listen to religious leaders in our day and age.)

Americans cannot expect a civic renewal from our social institutions. Conservatives wield zero influence over a culture that encourages drug use, sexual promiscuity, agnosticism, and women’s’ choosing career over family. We are not going to experience a social renaissance just by wishing for one.

If we want our society to improve, we have to push for state policies with that goal in mind. There is no other option.

It’s time to discard the worn-out conservative dogmas and make the state serve the people. National populism is the only path for Republicans to remain viable and (yes!) make our country great again.

Washington Watcher [email him] is an anonymous source Inside The Beltway.

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  1. I’ve agreed with Mr. “Watcher” the many times I’ve read his immigration articles on VDare. This is one time in which I don’t wholeheartedlly agree. The main problem seems to be that the writer here uses the most important term in his article wrong. Watcher’s understanding of what capitalism is, is let’s just say, unsound.

    Other than at a flea market or on Craigslist and Ebay, this country has nothing resembling Capitalism going on. Big Business is in bed with Big Feral Gov’t. “Crony Capitalism” may not roll off the tongue, but that’s the usual fair description of it. I know a term that does roll off the tongue, that describes the State using their Big-Biz minions to control economic aspects of society, but it’s perhaps too early in the morning to invoke Godwin’s Law (no not the political parties of century-ago Germany and Italy themselves, but the economic system they favored).

    Let’s let Peak Stupidity explain, in its own post on Tucker Carlson’s Monologue (reads like The King’s Speech) Excerpt:

    Tucker’s talk about first the social devastation in the big cities is fine. He did, for reasons of avoiding the name-calling, leave out the Nature side and only include the US Feral Gov’t Nurture as a cause of the disasters that modern American inner cities are. He states that Big Gov is NOT a cause of the ills in modern rural America, though. Here’s where I disagree with him. The influence of Big Gov may not be as direct in this case, but they still are the cause.

    Did you note that, when talking about the importance of families, Mr. Carlson left out anything about family businesses? (I know, I know, it was a TV monologue, not a 50-page manifesto, so I’m not complaining.) Those are very important, as without family and small businesses, everyone is just a “wage slave” to some big corporate or gov. entity. When the Big-Gov/Big-Biz crony capitalism that people call “Capitalism” exists, family and small businesses are actively marginalized and destroyed. Regulations are made FOR, but also BY, Big-Biz in hand with Big-Gov to strangle any competition.

    I wouldn’t agree with 1/2 of NR writer French’s opinions but as far as “French claims to agree with Carlson that Middle America suffers from numerous ills, but he argues the state should play no role with fixing them.”, Mr Watcher perhaps doesn’t understand this. Payday loan places and other ills that are “unrestrained” are just another niche market in a land full of people encouraged to be irresponsible by, yes, you guessed it, Big Government. We would all be better if the US Feral Gov’t just plain STOOD DOWN, per US Consitution Amendment X. We need a real, permanent shutdown of 95% of the US Gov’t shitshow!

  2. French also failed to consider how much influence a “malicious feminist” can have over the lives of normal people. Just one “offensive” tweet can cost somebody their career and reputation if Leftists stir up a mob. Good luck finding a job if your Google history is says you’re a sexist. Additionally, Human Resources Departments are run to conform to Leftist dictates, and your private speech and views could draw the suspicion of HR at any time.

    Put your imagination to work, man! Do you really think the HR ladies* would have the power they do, Mr. “Watcher”, if it weren’t for US Feral Title x (where x is a VARIABLE here) regulations, the AA business, etc.? Come on, man! It could have been managers of the actual work-related groups setting up on-line IQ tests and easily sorting through resumes with their own knowledge.

    How would the extreme stupidity that is modern (or any, for that matter) Feminism have been allowed to exist if it weren’t for the heavy hand of Feral Gov’t? Don’t you think that the immigration stupidity of the last 50 years would have been stopped by Americans (remember the Minutemen of a decade back?) or the 4 border states on their own, if the Feral Gov’t had just stayed out of the way. Yes, I know, this IS one of their Constitutionally-approved functions.

    As far as Hollywood, DON’T WATCH, Watcher! The other institutions you mentioned, especially the Universities, due to the flow of the money, are under the hand of the US Feral Gov’t too. The Lyin’ Press is basically a branch of it now. Are Americans too stupid to make a choice here? If that is a root of the problem, even then, there is the tap root with it’s flow of money sucked up from the taxpayers. Americans are bound to get stupid and irresponsible when that is encouraged by the Welfare State. “Subsidize something, and you’ll get more of it” – my man Ronnie.

    In general, I did like Tucker’s monologue, but not this column as much. I give Mr. Carlson credit for saying that Socialism is NOT the cure for all these ills. If you value government control over freedom as the cure to your problems, you have NO IMAGINATION, and don’t deserve the country this once was.

    * See also Part 2 and Part 3.

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  3. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    The first two comments on this blog perfectly illustrate why conservatives are in so much trouble: they refuse to let go of old – harmful – dogmas, preferring to rationalize them instead; they fail to embrace the policies that could realistically assure a positive outcome for themselves and their beliefs. This leaves them vulnerable to rhetorical conmen like Ben Shapiro and outfits like the National Review – controlled opposition if I ever saw it.

    It’s not surprising to me that the National Review would oppose Carlson’s viewpoint, as the article mentioned. Here are the readership demographics of the National Review: 60+ with an average annual salary somewhere north of \$200,000. With that in mind, ask yourself if it is really more likely that the National Review is interested in preserving the principles of free market capitalism than they are merely interested in preserving the pocketbooks of their donors and readers. And let’s be honest, Ben Shapiro was brought in by the National Review to run interference after the disastrous failure of their market capitalism-based NeverTrump critiques back in 2016; their front cover during that campaign was entitled “Against Trump”. Despicable. Ben Shapiro’s shtick is to mix “muh feminism” rhetoric popular with the youth with “muh unregulated markets” rhetoric popular with the National Review donors in order to obscure the line between the two. The end result is that you hear exactly what you want to hear (a temporary, but hollow, pleasure) while nothing is ever ultimately done to address the cause of “muh feminism” in the first place … which just so happens to be some of the same things pushed by the National Review, as Tucker Carlson noted. This is the kind of thing that explains why you lost the culture war. You embraced rhetoric over reason with no mind to the future.

    What the responder here has done is merely repackage old assertions with new rhetoric. He makes the same kind of outlandish and unrealistic claims as Shapiro, even if he is unaware – wishing for miracles, essentially. He points out an issue (say the tax code) and then claims this problem is the ultimate source of all our problems. Lost in this analysis is any sense of probability. What is the probability that the tax code (or anything else he mentioned) will spontaneously fix itself against the wishes of the public, according to all the polls? Answer: very small, probably zero. So, why bother with that approach?

    Ask yourself why we shouldn’t address the crime rate with the same logic. We could abolish the prison system and just hope that there is a solution to the ensuing rampant dysfunction by wishing for it. Obviously, that’s stupid and the public would never go for it, ever. So, why is this logic smart for economics and politics?

    Could the National Review and their conman Ben Shapiro really be so obtuse as to really believe that their suggestions are even a remote possibility? I doubt it. Or maybe they have an ulterior motive, as I have already mentioned: run interference with cleverly chosen words while fundamental problems affecting actual republican voters go unaddressed – poverty, suicide, revocation of fundamental liberties, a growing police state, and rampant internet censorship; meanwhile, rich National Review donors continue to line their pocketbooks with cheap labor immigration.

    Also unaddressed in multiple – often disingenuous – critiques of Tucker Carlson is exactly how supporters of voodoo economics have any solutions themselves beyond mere rhetoric. Do they even bother at this point? I didn’t see much in these rebuttals other than assertions and semantics games. Perhaps, instead, these people have a track record of success that might lead one to believe Elysium is around the corner? Hardly. They have a track record of continual failure. So, why believe them here?

    Wage growth has been stagnant for decades while healthcare costs, public debt, and tuition have soared. They’ve done next to nothing on immigration; their proposal before Trump was to double it. These are also the same people who claimed NAFTA would be great for the American worker – that people could just get retrained. Also wrong. NAFTA has exploded the trade deficit while workers often work longer hours for less pay and fewer benefits. The culture wars? Total failure. Freedom of religion, of speech, and of association are on life support – often at the behest of multinational corporations that threaten boycotts or deny service to conservative viewpoints. What about the rise of China? Totally wrong. That nation is eating our lunch. Sucks that we had to export our industries to them. As we speak, they’re considering an armed assault against Taiwan while Rand says their military is probably strong enough to defeat ours if we came to their defense.

    Meanwhile, cultural conservatives have lost every battle in the United States mainland. The movement is so weak we can’t even protect our own borders because, according to Nancy Pelosi, “that’s not who we are.” You want to know who else agrees with Nancy? Multinational corporations and National Review donors. Funny how those issues go hand-in-hand. It’s almost like these trucons care more about low taxes than mass immigration. Which do you care more about?

    And that’s why conservatives lose. They refuse to choose between pie-in-the-sky dogma that benefits others at their expense and practical solutions to the issues at hand. They’ll justify the current order with statements like “this isn’t capitalism, if only we had real capitalism” not realizing that this is the real capitalism the ruling class wants because it benefits them economically, not you the ordinary man.

    Ironically, this result is similar to Alexander Fraser Tytler’s critique of democracy – that it ends as soon as the public realizes they can vote themselves free goodies. The often missed point of Lord Tytler’s argument is that, when given a choice, the average person will forego sacrifice with long-term benefits, instead choosing short-term pleasures with long-term consequences; the end result is dysfunction and ruin. In this case, market capitalists make the same mistake. They embrace disastrous long-term policies – immigration, deregulation, monopolies, a warped tax code, punishing the poor – in order to preserve their short-term bank accounts. We will lose the nation if they and their supporters are allowed to carry the day. That’s what happens when you let your enemy control every lever of power in society; they use it to their benefit and at your expense. And that’s exactly what free market capitalists advocate, even if they don’t directly state it. Thus, the need for regulation and the exercise of power from the sole places where we have it: the government and the military.

    Don’t cry in 2020 if Donald Trump loses because he took advice from the same market capitalists who tried to sink him and his movement back in 2016 – the same people who destroyed Romney’s chances in 2012. He’s already well on his way with deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. Unfortunately, some of his supporters seem eager to help him in that losing effort.

  4. In my view, I think the message is clear. Government’s role of facilitator, monitor and guarantor of fair practices has decided to jump in bed on the side of business and that without guarantee of a fair distribution to the US citizens, who in the case of government subsidies, contracts and bailouts are footing the bill for a good deal of financial misconduct and lousy adherence to best practices as they reap the benefits.


    a. no member of an elected position should be permitted to own stock, sit on the boards of stock or financial instititions which they are the creators of regulations and laws.

    b. elected and appointed government employees are barred from consulting and working as or with private sector companies.

    c. senior military leaders are barred from working with or for private industry in any manner related to government provides services and goods, (except as instructors, and similar capacities)

    just for starters —

    I am a pro capitalist. But what we are experiencing is not capitalism.

  5. Oh–I get it. The problem is not Capitalism. It’s that we don’t have more of it. God you people are brazenly ingenuous.

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    , @Wally
  6. @Anon

    Why don’t you just reply to me directly, #123, the way I just did to you?

    He points out an issue (say the tax code) and then claims this problem is the ultimate source of all our problems. Lost in this analysis is any sense of probability. What is the probability that the tax code (or anything else he mentioned) will spontaneously fix itself against the wishes of the public, according to all the polls? Answer: very small, probably zero. So, why bother with that approach?

    Exactly, what’s the probability of anything changing for the better when you have a huge BEAST of a government that doesn’t listen to you, me, or any regular American. It listens to Big Business. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, go back to the “Creature from Jekyll Isle”, and think about it.

    You are inexplicably conflating crony capitalism (used to be called Fascism – late enough for Godwin’s Law, I guess, at least on Zulu time) with free-market capitalism, which wouldn’t have happenened if you’d understood my 2 comments.

    He’s already well on his way with deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. Unfortunately, some of his supporters seem eager to help him in that losing effort.

    Donald Trump knows about strangling regulation from his business. That is one thing that he’s made a little headway on, because he doesn’t defer to the Washington, FS Beltway “experts” on that, as he does for advice on his other campaign promises.

    On the tax code, have you ever done your own taxes and looked over the forms, or are you blowing smoke, 123? It’s a wash for a small family as far as the std.-deduction vs. loss of personal exemptions, without counting the reduction in rates. For a family business (a family that has kids and would otherwise have itemized before the std-ded. got doubled) it will be a tax raise. For most, it’s just nothing to write home about, but a moderate decrease. However, you are reading from a guy who would rather Amendment XVI be repealed completely, so …

    They embrace disastrous long-term policies – immigration, deregulation, monopolies, a warped tax code, punishing the poor – in order to preserve their short-term bank accounts.

    I guess you’ve got a few writers from some magazines (NR, Reason, etc.) confused with people who just value freedom and limited government.

    Now, you wonder how all this cultural BS got pushed on people, but don’t see the US Feral Gov’t as a problem. Have you ever tried to fight these ills and seen who’s against you? The Lyin’ Press may exorciate you, but they have no power to tax, fine, and (eventually) arrest. Just ask a simple question to any boss of a business and ask him if Affirmative Action is HIS stupid idea? Really? Why do you think he’s compliant, or worried about it if he’s not?

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  7. @obwandiyag

    It’s that we don’t have any of it. Reading … it’s not just for smart people.

  8. @EliteCommInc.

    Between agreeing with you here, E.C., and having agreed with Corvinus once this year already, I don’t know what’s going on? Dogs and cats living together!, etc.

  9. @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree. The True Right should stop approving of “capitalism” and laud “free enterprise” instead.

  10. @Achmed E. Newman

    As a long-time libertarian, I’d agree with you for the most part. But I’ve had an epiphany in the last 2 years. All freedoms are not created equal. One of the things beltway-tarians such as the Koch-funded Cato Institute push is the idea that an increase in freedom in any area is good because the benefits “trickle down.” Bullcrap! Deregulating big biz without corresponding relaxations on common people is wrong and we must oppose it. No tax cuts for biz without much bigger ones for the common people!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  11. Some below average dude above said “this country has nothing resembling Capitalism going on. Big Business is in bed with Big Feral Gov’t. “Crony Capitalism” may not roll off the tongue, but that’s the usual fair description of it.”

    Hear that on Fox News? Oh, if only we were all controlled and dominated by Capitalists. If only capitalists owned all the major media. If only Capitalists owned all the politicians. If only capitalists made up all the leading politicians. If only all the bankers were Capitalists If only the Fed was made up of capitalists. Then we would finally have true capitalism.

    But wait a minute. That’s EXACTLY the situation that we do have. What that means is that we have EXACTLY the capitalism that capitalism produces. We have EXACTLY the capitalism that the leading capitalists, who will always control the capitalist government and the capitalist economy, want and need.

    Newsflash! There can be no Capitalism that is different from what we’ve got today. You would have to kill all the capitalists, to start over, because they would just buy their way right back to the top. The money all accrues to the top, very quickly. It’s like a bad game of Monopoly. They take the money they’ve accumulated, and, realizing that money is just a means to an end, put it to work. They buy political power, and use the combination of political and financial/economic power to cement their monopoly. The very first thing they do it to pull up the “ladder of success” after themselves.

    When nobody else can climb the ladder, we get frustrated, and want to change the rules to allow an “even playing field.” This is exactly what the early winners of Capitalism will not allow, and they go to great lengths to prevent it. They also complain bitterly about any and all attempts to even out the effects of Capitalism.

    That “evil government” that you hate is nothing more than the organization of the capitalists. Every member of the government is a Capitalist, often funded into power by even richer capitalists. We do not have a government, we have puppets of capitalists or as you Fox News Hannity enthusiasts call it “the deep state”
    Government was intended to be of the people, by the people, for the people, and to serve the people, not the Corporation.

    To the (((shill))) Shapiro

    If we all had a PhD, there would be EXACTLY the same number of people being paid poverty wages and exactly the same number unemployed. McDonalds and Wal-Mart don’t pay a penny more for a fry cook or greeter with a PhD. It’s capitalism that determines the jobs and the pay, not the education level of the masses.

    When capitalism tells the masses to “go get an education” as being the solution to their poverty, it’s nothing more than saying, “you workers need to compete harder among yourselves for the few good-paying jobs that capitalism has to offer.” Thanks to the capitalists sending the good paying middle class jobs to slave labor countries so they could make a few dollars more.

    And before anyone starts with “its the globalists”
    Globalism is capitalism. Capitalism brought the black slaves here, capitalism is bringing the Mexicans here. Slave labor/cheap labor is the name of the game, always has been. Nothing new. Globalism=capitalism

    Capitalist wars are also driving the refugees from their homelands. Whether in Iraq, Sudan or Honduras, wars are a twofer for capitalists, massive war profiteering, theft of resources, with the added bonus of driving refugees into Europe/America to lower the standard of living and decrease wages for us.

    Privatization of public property/resources is theft, privatization today is strictly about prioritizing money away from the commons and general welfare and giving total monopoly to the inbred 1% rent-seeking parasites, monopoly of resources (food, water, air, shelter), monopoly of control, monopoly of propaganda, monopoly of Policy, monopoly of money, monopoly of war.

    Most don’t have a clue what Socialism actually is. Socialism is government by the working-class. There is not the slightest hint of the working-class ruling over society anywhere in the world. Obviously.

    The New World Order is being brought to you through capitalism, private banking and corporate monopoly over EVERYTHING. You think your imaginary boogie-man socialists and communists are scary? Wait till Monsanto/Bayer have total monopoly over our food and water, they’re getting very close, better wake up. Jesus warned you.

  12. @redmudhooch

    I get that you are too young, too stupid, or both, to imagine freedom, but don’t think that the rest of us are the same. That comment was so beyond crap, starting just with your definitions, that it’s hard to reply to it. The Feral Gov’t IS the Capitalists?? Well, if you define it that way, I say get rid of them too.

    Jesus didn’t warn me that I’d better love “my” government. I think maybe you are taking that verse from Romans too literally. I do notice from history and current American politics, that once the people start to worship Socialism and Communism, they make a big effort to do away with other religions. Jesus has no place under a world arranged under your asinine ideas,

  13. Some miserably mediocre guy above said “Jesus didn’t warn me that I’d better love “my” government.”

    He warned you about the love of money AKA capitalism, and what it leads to. You like being replaced with cheap labor, H1B visa slaves, alright thats fine, but I think most American workers are a little tired of it.
    Problem today mediocre dude, is that governments aren’t “governments” but private corporations, with shareholders, operating in the public sector. Again, government is the PEOPLE. The citizens, the workers. Of the people, by the people, for the people, and to serve the people, not the Corporation. Not the parasite. You got it backwards son.

    Most people, including below average guy above don’t wan’t to accept this, usually because of ignorance or”muh capitalism” and “muh free markets ” brainwashing by Fox “News”. They have been programmed subconsciously into thinking that any other alternative method will not work or it is “evil socialism”. They are still interested in making rentier classes out of each other and fucking over their children’s future, while propping up their capitalist overlords.

    Meet the New World Order
    Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world

  14. @Achmed E. Newman

    I get that you are too young, too stupid, or both, to imagine freedom

    and give it a rest with the “freedumb” BS you goon. The US has the largest prison population in the world. You go to jail for smoking a joint for goodness sake. At the same time capitalist bankers make off with trillions in stolen wealth without a slap on the wrist.

    Not to mention the spying/surveillance, Patriot Act, assassinations and indefinite detention of Americans with no due process, Anti-BDS laws, a totally rigged judicial system, a healthcare system that is nothing short of a racket, a fake media totally controlled by the capitalist war profiteers and corporate parasites. Everything that you accuse “communists” of is what is actually happening under the Capitalists.

    Ask Julian Assange or Snowden about this freedumb you speak of.

    Thats about all I have to say about that.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    , @TKK
  15. I agree with Tucker that the family unit is the most important reason why America is degenerating, resulting in less people getting married, less children, less everything, creating a vacuum that can only be filled by foreign invasion.

    The lack of strong families is also the reason for the rise in suicides, drug addiction, crime, treason, etc., etc.

    But Tucker can’t tell us the reason for why this has been happening for decades now. He can’t point to the deliberate manipulation of America by strong Jewish forces. The family unit has been the thrust of these attacks, and nobody realizes it.

    1. Income taxes were created to destroy the ability of single-income families to exist because so much of what we earn goes to the government for activity that we don’t approve of. Here in California, I pay about 50% of my income to the govt. and that is not all. I pay another ~10% in sales tax. I pay 1.1% of the value of my house as property tax – and it goes up by 2% every year. Then there are taxes on my car, the fuel, etc., etc. So, both parents need to work in order to raise a family – weakening the family and creating latchkey kids.

    2. There is a marriage tax. My wife and I paid less in taxes when each of us was single, but the way the tax code is structured, you pay more tax even when filing as married filing separately, than if you were filing as single, providing another disincentive to be married.

    3. Militant feminism has made it such that husbands and wives become economic competitors rather than complementary partners. Families have become less important as compared to each partner seeking financial success above all else. There is a disincentive to have children because it is an obstacle to climbing the corporate ladder. If you don’t have children, there is not a lot of benefit to being married, so divorces increase. After his divorce, one of the managers in my company has been living together with his girlfriend for 11 years, and they have no intention of getting married or having children. They are together because neither can afford housing on their own and their joint income makes it possible. With only economic necessity holding them together, there is every reason to expect cheating or unexpected dissolution of the partnership when better financial opportunities present themselves. As Tucker says, no woman wants to marry a man who makes less than she does. So, as more women are forced into the workforce, less marriages happen.

    4. Racism happens when people believe the system is affording undue preference to one party over another. For the instigator of racism, this is convenient because everyone is fighting each other rather than the actual foe. If everyone united against the common enemy, racism would end overnight, along with crime and poverty.

    5. Uncontrolled immigration helps the ruling class to reduce wages, also contributing to declining families. Legal immigration decimates the middle class.

    6. If that isn’t enough, mass distribution of pornography, deviant sex, gender perversion, LGBTQXYZZY…, all contribute to the breaking of traditional intimacy between one man and one woman, that is the foundation of marriage and stable families.

    7. And there are the fake wars. As sons, and now daughters, go off to fight in foreign lands that have not attacked us, only one parent stays behind to raise the family, inadequately. Moreover, when these traumatized soldiers return from battle, they are seldom able to re-integrate into the family unit, and in a large number of cases, divorces and criminal behavior result.

    I could go on, and on, and on…

    In every single case, there is a Jewish hand that pulls the strings to make puppets dance.
    That is the disease. The rest are all symptoms.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Them Guys
  16. Idiots on here are always going on about how we don’t got capitalism, if we only had capitalism, we don’t got free markets, if only we had free markets, then everything would be hunky-dory.

    Without any proof, of course, because there never was and never will be a “free” “market.”

    The US has plenty capitalism. And everything sucks. And they want more. Confused, stupid, disingenuous liars.

    • Replies: @Realist
  17. Whitewolf says:

    All this talk about capitalism vs socialism won’t matter much longer if immigration isn’t curtailed to a major degree. My main concern is the worldwide program of White Genocide but for all you people concerned about economy and such I ask you a simple question. Have you ever seen a brown country that wasn’t poor? A follow up question. Have you ever seen a brown country with a government system you liked?

    You’ve all seen the voting preferences of brown states like California. You’ve all seen the results there. Just imagine that nationwide. You won’t have to imagine much longer if the immigration crisis isn’t solved fast.

    • Agree: mr meener
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  18. Look, what you call “capitalism” and “free markets” just means scams to make rich people richer. You read some simple-minded description of some pie-in-the-sky theory of some perfect world where rational actors make the best possible decisions in their own interest without any outside interference, and you actually think you are reading a description of something real.

    I’ll tell you what’s real. Crookedness. Free markets are crookedness factories. As a PhD from Chicago Business School told me, “Free markets?! What free markets?! There is no free market! It’s all crooked!”

  19. @Achmed E. Newman

    “We need nationalism without capitalism and socialism without internationalism” ~ Gregor Strasser

    In the American case, that would also in effect restrict all transfer payments to being within kin-groups and at the local / state / civil society level. America could have had a workable welfare state if the right leadership had governed it (i.e. if there had been no Sexual Revolution amplified by feminism and Cultural Marxist subversion of critical institutions) and if resources of middle class white families were not transferred to non-white underclass dysfunctional degenerates.

  20. Tucker’s show is the only political opinion show I watch. The rest of Fox is pretty much Neocon Central. CNN/MSNBC are jokes parading as news outlets. I love it when Trump continually calls them Fake News, which is exactly what they are.

    But it’s ominous that so many corporations have stopped advertising on Tucker’s show. Fox now finds itself in a bind. Not knowing he would become such a threat to the established order when they gave him a prime time gig, they may well prefer to get rid of him. And they could use the convenient excuse that no one wants to advertise on the show anymore. But Carlson has become such a popular pundit that, if they fired him, it could well spell the end of Fox as viewers would leave in droves.

    Free speech is dying in newsrooms everywhere and is endangered on the Internet also, with all-powerful leftist corporations like Google deciding what (to them) is acceptable speech. I’d just hate to see Tucker go the way of Phil Donohue, who lost his MSNBC show (at the time the most popular on the network) because he was against the Iraq war.

    • Replies: @KenH
  21. Huskynut says:

    @achmed e newman, @redmudhooch

    It’s kinda weird watching you two trade blows.. from the outside your differences seem about 10% of your shared disgust of the MSM.
    I’m guessing you’ll thump each other to a draw and both fall over exhausted, having left the genuine shared enemy untouched.
    In what world is that a sensible outcome?! Stop being such macho douches and start playing a smart political game, or just get used to being shat on by the incumbent powers. Your choice..

  22. anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    yes, I agree with you Mr. Newman.. but there is something still missing to explain how the good wholesome concept of Capitalism has captured the governed of nearly every nation state and placed them into a prison farm where the monopoly powered corporate private capitalist can extort as much as they please.

    Keeping the economic environment fair, open, free, in a fully restrained completely fair play condition is an absolute requirement of capitalism is the only legitimate function of government; in fact, it is the essence of a government that is formed of the substance of the right of self determination. When monopoly powers are generated by government and given to private private enterprise, or or when government services are privatized, capitalism has been turned into captivism and the market has be turned into a human farm yard, allowing those with the monopoly powers to cull and harvest the herds as they wish.

    Instead of government doing its job; the USA has actually become the center for biasing capitalism. It continues to bestow monopoly powers (copyright, patents, and it continues to give government grants to universities that use the grants to take the risk that industry should be taking, to investigate new ideas and new products and it continues to allow its obligations to the governed to be privatized ). Basically the University has become the middle man between government and monopoly powered capitalism. The government gives the University a grant, the grant is used to fund training programs called Phd studies, and after a while the (the research encounters a promising discovery, and the corporate department is created within the University but funded by the governed in the form of a government grant. Next when a product of substance is sufficiently understood and most of the questions about it fully explored at government expense (note the privately owned monopoly powered corporation does not have to put any money at risk, until the University develops the product so billions of research dollars are funded from the pockets of the governed, for the practical benefit of one of the monopoly powered corporations), the entire university department become employees of the patent acquiring monopoly powered privately owned corporation. Then as if to add insult to injury, the government has been allowing the private corporations to offer the services the government is suppose to offer (like the water companies, the power companies, the garbage companies, the security companies, the production of weapons, and the likes, all of these government monopolies have been sold off or licensed to private a monopoly transfer concept called privatization or grant by government contract)
    so in fact there is no such thing as capitalism in the USA governed America, its privatized monopoly ism.

    What makes monopolies so bad is that they prevent competition (and competition is the name of the game in capitalism ). Someone in his back yard invents something that puts Apple or Microsoft, or IBM or the Federal Reserve out of business, just as the University of Australia has invented a way to supply the whole world with nearly free energy, the solar and wind power are used when functioning while the excess is stored so that the capacity of the wind, solar and hydro storage are sufficient to generate, store and provide a flow of energy sufficient to supply the needs of the world, yet few have heard about it, because the media is another privatized thing, and it(the media) will remain silent about such innovation, at least, until it can force the university to sell its patents to one of the mega buck monopoly powered corporations. This solar, wind and hydro combination is not really a new science discovery , its an application using proven methodology) would eliminate the need for gas and oil in the world, and that would solve the C02 problem which is the essence of global warming.
    The problem with capitalism USA style is that government must function as an independent third party, some the USA cannot seem to be, an honest broker.. the government must deny any kind of favouritism to any and all that would in any way bias discovery, bias competition, or bias the financing of investigations that might lead to discovery or financing needed to build the infra structure that allows the new invention to replace the old. History shows the problem with republics, is that the corrupt soon own the government, at least that seems to fit the conditions in the UK, USA, Israel, France, and Saudi Arabia.

  23. utu says:

    The same thing was in the Soviet Union. Any problem was dismissed on account that they would go away once they had more communism. And it was always emphasized that it must be so because it was scientifically proven by Marx. The libertarian idiots like our Achmed here are no different than those communist idiots.

  24. utu says:

    Achmed E. Newman —> Commenters to Ignore

    I strongly recommend doing this.

  25. Wally says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Indeed, the examples below are not free market capitalism, but these are what too many erroneously think is the result of free market capitalism:

    – Trade deals made by Big Gov are not free market capitalism.
    – Special exemptions from competition for those connected to Big Gov is not free market capitalism.
    – Big Gov granting monopolies to unions is not free market capitalism.
    – Big Gov granted monopolies to utility companies are not free market capitalism.
    – No bid Big Gov contracts are not free market capitalism.
    – Gov laws supporting rent controls are not free market capitalism.
    – Big Gov price fixing is not free market capitalism.
    – Big Gov income taxes are not free market capitalism.
    – Big Gov property taxes are not free market capitalism
    – The Big Gov authorized Federal Reserve is not free market capitalism.
    – Big Gov massive taxes on every aspect of the economy are not free market capitalism, and which often lead to companies setting up shop elsewhere.
    – Big Gov fees for services from agencies we already pay for are not free market capitalism.
    – Big Gov subsidies of “alternative energy” which cannot otherwise compete is not free market capitalism.

    The list of Big Government intervention in the economy is endless.

    Big Gov intervention is the problem, not free market capitalism

  26. Wally says:

    It’s government intervention in the economy that is the problem, not real free market capitalism.

    Please pay attention.

    BTW, what kind of economic system does your absurdly beloved Africa have?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @bike-anarkist
  27. @Achmed E. Newman

    “…a land full of people encouraged to be irresponsible by, yes, you guessed it, Big Government.” Sure. OK.
    But watch an hour of TV & try to tell me it’s ONLY big Gov encouraging people to be irresponsible.
    Our whole consumer culture makes a virtue out of irresponsibility & the plain stupid & juvenile. (Incidentally, it is utter crock that the Right wants “virtuous” citizens. Where would the Oligarchs be if masses of people started being virtuous ? Honesty, truth, justice, impulse control & rational desires would wreck their whole grubby set-up. Indeed, a virtuous public might actually start thinking…& thinking might lead to lamp posts & pitch forks ….)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  28. Wally says:

    You simply don’t know the difference between authoritarian Big Government intervention in the economy, which is sadly what we increasingly have and is what you advocate more of, vs. a truly free market economy.

    But then Communists have made ignorance and being wrong an art form.

  29. make our country great again.

    Another undefined slogan in this era of muddle headed thinking, or of no thinking at all.
    The ‘again’ suggests there once upon a times there was this great America.
    I cannot be too difficult to specify when this great America existed, and what was so great about it.
    But I wonder if it is as in one of Deighton’s Cold War novels, German refugees from the east meeting in West Berlin, ‘talking about a society that never was’.

    • Replies: @Wally
  30. Biff says:

    What’s the difference between government controlling every aspect of business, or business controlling every aspect of government?
    Would there be two different outcomes?

    • Replies: @bjondo
  31. Icy Blast says:

    I keep hearing about “free markets” but I’ve never actually encountered one. It seems we will die slowly of taxation and regulation while blaming Ron Paul and his friends for our misery. If there were free markets we would be able to sell coal and oil to China and buy weapons from Russia, build nuclear power plants, desalination plants, and LNG ports. But our wise overlords in D.C. won’t permit this. Also, the pride of those Marxists who were converted in the 70’s and 80’s won’t let them admit they were cruelly deceived.

    • Replies: @Wally
  32. eah says:

    Such voices are out there — it is very important that more people hear them and their arguments.

    • Replies: @Realist
  33. @redmudhooch


    You don’t like society, you want to change it. Your group has God, angels, demons and the Devil.

    Well, you’ve finally managed to attract the attention of the American base population. Congratulations. You’ve wanted that for a long time. Now, you also get to see the consequences of what you’ve wanted.


  34. If the testimony of the first dozen contributions here is any indication, Tucker Carlson is far better than we deserve.

  35. Realist says:

    In a now-celebrated monologue on his Fox News show, Carlson blamed multinational corporations and urban elites for the decline of Middle America.

    But as always Carlson said nothing about Jewish involvement. Carlson is the best on MSM, but still lacks the ability or desire to place much of the Deep State blame on Jews. Fox does not allow any disparaging words about Israel or Jews. This line in the sand really limits Carlson’s ability to do damamge to the Deep State. There is no doubt that the Deep State is in control. As always to see who is in control follow the money and who is golden.

  36. niceland says:


    a. no member of an elected position should be permitted to own stock, sit on the boards of stock or financial instititions which they are the creators of regulations and laws.

    b. elected and appointed government employees are barred from consulting and working as or with private sector companies.

    c. senior military leaders are barred from working with or for private industry in any manner related to government provides services and goods, (except as instructors, and similar capacities)

    You hit the jackpot, this is a good start but needs to go much further to drive the powerful interest groups out of Government.

    It doesn’t matter if you believe in capitalism, socialism both or neither. Left or Right politics, big or small government or none. Everyone should recognize that without this process NOTHING will ever change, absent perhaps a bloody revolution.

    It’s a full time job for citizens of every country to guard their government from being hijacked by special interest groups. In most cases they fail and almost always it’s the same group ending up with all the power. Crony capitalist elites.

    In America and most of Europe the Crony Capitalistic elites running the country have joined small part of the left wing – SJW types and allow them good access to their media outlets and small share of the loot. This mercenary army of SJW then in turn barks and gnaws at anyone threatening the status quo. It’s a win win. In the meantime both the traditional left (pro working class) and the right have no voices or influence.

    Our own (Icelandic) banking crash enabled similar process as you describe, grants to political parties are limited, MP’s have to publish their ownership in corporations etc and all kinds of limitations. We are currently enjoying the benefits. It will last few years more – by then the elites will be back in full force.

    • Replies: @Druid
    , @Wizard of Oz
  37. Realist says:


    a. no member of an elected position should be permitted to own stock, sit on the boards of stock or financial instititions which they are the creators of regulations and laws.

    b. elected and appointed government employees are barred from consulting and working as or with private sector companies.

    c. senior military leaders are barred from working with or for private industry in any manner related to government provides services and goods, (except as instructors, and similar capacities)

    just for starters —

    Big talk now make it happen…Hahahahaaa

    • Replies: @niceland
    , @EliteCommInc.
  38. aspnaz says:

    Where can we find a free market? The US markets are so skewed by regulation that there is not one commodity that has a ‘free’ market. Add to that the fact that the government has abandoned its policy of preventing market dominance through monopoly. Add to that the US tax payers feeding money into the wealthiest government in the world, a quantity of money that attracts the least beneficial leeches from around the world. The government attracts leeches, otherwise known as individual or corporate government contractors, being overpaid money from the tax payers to support their companies that can’t make it in the ‘free’ market: these companies need the handouts to help them survive.

    So where’s the free market? It exists only in the small companies that litter the USA and who battle the big corporates, like Amazon, that survive on tax handouts, beating their competitors by bribing politicians rather than fighting the good fight in the free market.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  39. “the free market”?


    ‘This “equilibrium” graph (Figure 3) and the ideas behind it have been re-iterated so many times in the past half-century that many observes assume they represent one of the few firmly proven facts in economics. Not at all. There is no empirical evidence whatsoever that demand equals supply in any market and that, indeed, markets work in the way this story narrates.
    We know this by simply paying attention to the details of the narrative presented. The innocuous assumptions briefly mentioned at the outset are in fact necessary joint conditions in order for the result of equilibrium to be obtained. There are at least eight of these result-critical necessary assumptions: Firstly, all market participants have to have “perfect information”, aware of all existing information (thus not needing lecture rooms, books, television or the internet to gather information in a time-consuming manner; there are no lawyers, consultants or estate agents in the economy). Secondly, there are markets trading everything (and their grandmother). Thirdly, all markets are characterized by millions of small firms that compete fiercely so that there are no profits at all in the corporate sector (and certainly there are no oligopolies or monopolies; computer software is produced by so many firms, one hardly knows what operating system to choose…). Fourthly, prices change all the time, even during the course of each day, to reflect changed circumstances (no labels are to be found on the wares offered in supermarkets as a result, except in LCD-form). Fifthly, there are no transaction costs (it costs no petrol to drive to the supermarket, stock brokers charge no commission, estate agents work for free – actually, don’t exist, due to perfect information!). Sixthly, everyone has an infinite amount of time and lives infinitely long lives. Seventhly, market participants are solely interested in increasing their own material benefit and do not care for others (so there are no babies, human reproduction has stopped – since babies have all died of neglect; this is where the eternal life of the grown-ups helps). Eighthly, nobody can be influenced by others in any way (so trillion-dollar advertising industry does not exist, just like the legal services and estate agent industries).
    It is only in this theoretical dreamworld defined by this conflagration of wholly unrealistic assumptions that markets can be expected to clear, delivering equilibrium and rendering prices the important variable in the economy – including the price of money as the key variable in the macroeconomy. This is the origin of the idea that interest rates are the key variable driving the economy: it is the price of money that determines economic outcomes, since quantities fall into place.
    But how likely are these assumptions that are needed for equilibrium to pertain? We know that none of them hold. Yet, if we generously assumed, for sake of argument (in good economists’ style), that the probability of each assumption holding true is 55% – i.e. the assumptions are more likely to be true than not – even then we find the mainstream result is elusive: Because all assumptions need to hold at the same time, the probability of obtaining equilibrium in that case is 0.55 to the power of 8 – i.e. less than 1%! In other words, neoclassical economics has demonstrated to us that the circumstances required for equilibrium to occur in any market are so unlikely that we can be sure there is no equilibrium anywhere. Thus we know that markets are rationed, and rationed markets are determined by quantities, not prices.
    On our planet earth – as opposed to the very different planet that economists seem to be on – all markets are rationed. In rationed markets a simple rule applies: the short side principle. It says that whichever quantity of demand or supply is smaller (the ‘short side’) will be transacted (it is the only quantity that can be transacted). Meanwhile, the rest will remain unserved, and thus the short side wields power: the power to pick and choose with whom to do business. Examples abound. For instance, when applying for a job, there tend to be more applicants than jobs, resulting in a selection procedure that may involve a number of activities and demands that can only be described as being of a non-market nature (think about how Hollywood actresses are selected), but does not usually include the question: what is the lowest wage you are prepared to work for?
    Thus the theoretical dream world of “market equilibrium” allows economists to avoid talking about the reality of pervasive rationing, and with it, power being exerted by the short side in every market. Thus the entire power hiring starlets for Hollywood films, can exploit his power of being able to pick and choose with whom to do business, by extracting ‘non-market benefits’ of all kinds. The pretense of ‘equilibrium’ not only keeps this real power dimension hidden. It also helps to deflect the public discourse onto the politically more convenient alleged role of ‘prices’, such as the price of money, the interest rate. The emphasis on prices then also helps to justify the charging of usury (interest), which until about 300 years ago was illegal in most countries, including throughout Europe.
    However, this narrative has suffered an abductio ad absurdum by the long period of near zero interest rates, so that it became obvious that the true monetary policy action takes place in terms of quantities, not the interest rate.
    Thus it can be plainly seen today that the most important macroeconomic variable cannot be the price of money. Instead, it is its quantity. Is the quantity of money rationed by the demand or supply side? Asked differently, what is larger – the demand for money or its supply? Since money – and this includes bank money – is so useful, there is always some demand for it by someone. As a result, the short side is always the supply of money and credit. Banks ration credit even at the best of times in order to ensure that borrowers with sensible investment projects stay among the loan applicants – if rates are raised to equilibrate demand and supply, the resulting interest rate would be so high that only speculative projects would remain and banks’ loan portfolios would be too risky.
    The banks thus occupy a pivotal role in the economy as they undertake the task of creating and allocating the new purchasing power that is added to the money supply and they decide what projects will get this newly created funding, and what projects will have to be abandoned due to a ‘lack of money’.
    It is for this reason that we need the right type of banks that take the right decisions concerning the important question of how much money should be created, for what purpose and given into whose hands. These decisions will reshape the economic landscape within a short time period.
    Moreover, it is for this reason that central banks have always monitored bank credit creation and allocation closely and most have intervened directly – if often secretly or ‘informally’ – in order to manage or control bank credit creation. Guidance of bank credit is in fact the only monetary policy tool with a strong track record of preventing asset bubbles and thus avoiding the subsequent banking crises. But credit guidance has always been undertaken in secrecy by central banks, since awareness of its existence and effectiveness gives away the truth that the official central banking narrative is smokescreen.’

  40. “Socialism is exactly what we’re going to get, and very soon unless a group of responsible people in our political system reforms the American economy in a way that protects normal people ”

    “Even in the US most of nine Labour policies we put to people received majority backing

    The British General Election of 2017, an academic account of last year’s vote, recalls how Jeremy Corbyn’s team questioned just how radical Labour’s manifesto was, given that many of the policies were already mainstream in several European countries.
    But the question shouldn’t unduly worry Labour advisers; a new international YouGov survey shows that Corbynite policies are popular not only on the continent, but also in the UK.”

  41. Tucker’s point is that the “Free Market” system of America is run by an amoral predator class looking out for only its own interests. What is missing is a sense of noblesse oblige … rank has its privileges, but also its own duties to others in the system. Shapiro is but another amoral schmuck looking out only for himself.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Druid
    , @renfro
  42. Druid says:

    Eell said. He does sound like a verbose goon. And only ultra-stupids are libertarians

  43. Druid says:

    Congressmen are exempt from the laws against insider trading. The US is corrupt. The masters are in Israhell!

  44. Druid says:
    @The Alarmist

    He is a “shapiro”. What cane expect

  45. @redmudhooch

    So true. All these libertarians think capitalism automatically implies competition, but in the real world, that’s just a temporary phase. Once the oligopoly stage of capitalism is reached, businesses cease to compete with one another and simply collude–to take over the government, among other things. Then you have business and government working together to shaft the common man (they’ll call it “public/private partnership,” or some such).

    Competition is simply not a permanent part of capitalism, any more than the maggot-phase is a permanent part of being a fly. In the end, the ‘free’ market is destined to give way either to Jew-Bolshevism or to National Socialism. Personally, I opt for the latter.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  46. niceland says:

    Big talk now make it happen…Hahahahaaa

    It looks like a pipe dream, and perhaps it is, do you have better alternative?

    Of course: socialists, pure capitalists and libertarians can all continue to sit in their little corner and continue to argue against each other like they have done for the past decades, totally powerless and ignored. All waiting for.. what? At least here is an idea to start with, a common ground.

    Think about it, while commenters “Achmed E. Newman” and “redmudhooch” almost totally disagree on ideological grounds It seems obvious they could march in a lockstep in a political movement trying to separate the Government from crony capitalism – with all the Unz crowd and majority of the public close behind them. It would be a beautiful sight!

    Washington filled with protesters with signs: “We want our Government back” or “The best Government money can by doesn’t work – lets try something else”

    The MSM would be powerless, their heads would explode trying to dig up slander against such movement.

    • Replies: @Realist
  47. onebornfree says: • Website

    aspnaz says:“Where can we find a free market? ”

    It’s now called “the black market” don’t you know. 🙂

    Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro etc, like most here, wouldn’t know a free market if it bit them in the a\$\$.

    Carlson and Shapiro et all are nothing more than shills for the state [again, like most here].

    aspnaz says: “So where’s the free market? It exists only in the small companies that litter the USA and who battle the big corporates”

    Outside of “illegal” black markets, that’s pretty much true.

    Corporations are creatures of the state and are protected by the state. Hell, they are the state!

    As you obviously know, government/ the state is the problem- never the solution.

    The only real political “solution” [as I see it] would be to return the government to its original size and functions, getting rid of the 1000’s of regulatory agencies [EPA, FDA, BATF, CIA FBI NSA etc etc etc ad nauseum], plus all welfare , government-run “healthcare”, social “security” etc. etc.

    And of course, getting rid of the standing army and all associated, to boot.

    And to a nation of government indoctrinated, [virtually] commie slaves whose only desire is to live at the expense of everyone else, that “solution” is entirely out of the question.

    But even if it were possible to return to the original constitutional government limitations, seeing as how, judging by the results to date, the constitution and bill of rights obviously was not/is not a secure enough chain on federal government growth and its ever increasing interference in all markets [and all areas of our lives], that “solution” would only give us all, at most, about 10 years of relative freedom and prosperity, if even that.

    So unless we could figure out some new, better way to permanently chain down the government to a constitution and bill of rights and keep it out of everything else , then a dreamed of return to an allegedly “constitutionally limited” government would only provide a temporary, short term reprieve, as I see it.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: 2stateshmustate
  48. @niceland

    Unfortunately the prescriptions are naive.

    c. with a bit of grammatical tidying up is already the rule I say with some confidence. The problem is what they might do in the hope of employment when they retire from the armed forces. Perhaps a four year embargo on receiving any direct or indirect benefit from the arms industry might be worth thinking about.

    a. is an invitation to legal ingenuity. Ever heard of a “blind trust”? How blind is the politician to the reality of his interests even if his wife isn’t the trustee. And if you banned blind trusts you wouldn’t stop the spouse, siblings or children standing in for the politician as investor.

    b. You could prevent them getting paid directly and immediately but they could often make a case that the consulting was just part of a politician’s and some bureaucrats’ everyday job and involved both giving and receiving information and advice. And, as to the money side of it, nearly all Congressmen spend a great deal of their time raising money for their reelection campaigns so they wouldn’t be asking to be paid personally in most cases. And if the worst came to the worst a PAC fund could receive the money.

  49. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Ironically I came to tuckers same conclusion about a decade ago while being redpilled by neo reactionaries. They of course are technofuturist post humanists which is why its ironic, but they did encourage me to more radically check my premises and i had to admit capitalism had probably done more harm to west civ tham communism in fact without capitalism there is no communism. I had to admit my reflex unequivocal defense of capitalism was more coldwar anti socialism refelex mixed with theoretical capitalism. Oh im still a capitalist but like tucker i think its a tool and we who love it have to remember why we love it or ought to, because it serves us, iy might also be a beautiful machine but if it didnt serve us theres no reason to support it. i also had to admit not only do we not actually have capitalism but corporatism and corporatism is inevitable tendency of capitalism but that we dont really think capitalism functions well without intervention as we pretend we just think it functions best when conservatives invent the interventions .we know left un tended monopolies and cartels form, we know that large corporations will use their size to crush smarter more innovative new firms,price fixing will happen, we dont allow a free market in all sorts of things from child porn to heroine, yet inexplicably other porn and alcohol are ok.I also had to admit it wasnt true that capitalism needs democracy, capitalism finds ways of thriving in any government from stalinist communist to monarchies to managed theocracies or anything in between.Finally I had to admit apes are both capitalist and socialist creatures and white apes particularly so, we are the most capitalistic yet have the lowest tolerance for watching suffering, now that can be for the most part solved with market solutions to social safety if we are willing to admit that despite our hatred of socialists we are never the less social apes. And this is perhaps the crux of the matter, HBD some people are just genetically more capable than others in a free market some will thrive others not so much over time some will really really thrive others not so much at all. so yeah white nationalism is a must actually any nation must be an ethno state because your only real chance of overcoming this natural difference is to start with a group that at least fairly homogenous, but then you must intervene. NO NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMANS WITH RIGHTS FUCKEM NO NOT BECAUSE THEYRE MUH WHITE BROS
    because theres more of them than us cog elites and as tucker points out eventually if we make it worth their wiles they will just take our shit. Capitalism does require some form of government even if its just my gang enforcing my rules. all civilization is built on violence and the proles have it they just dont use it because frankly we are their slaves we make the world better for them or they replace us.its in our interest to be their stewards. its also a better way to live with bakers wives and steam fitters smiling and happy nd pumping out children to ward off the other nations. As elites we must do for them what they can not naturally do for themselves a nation is a family or ought to be, everyone has a place. Thats not to say we ought not find ways to stretch our right tale and shorten our left tail which will make us tighter knit and more efficient and less fractured.
    besides its simply retarded to give away your best tech to your enemies and and then buy it back from them while leaving your 90% unemployed. This idea that thats capitalism implies that you intend to reduce americans to the status of the least paid third worlder and only when hes willing to work for those wages will you hire him- well good luck with that all I can say is where are you going to hide.Heres the thing all the smart people do not in fact rise to the elite in fact more and more get locked out in a way that prevents them from even breeding statistically the average proles are producing 50% of each year cognitive elite children they are less stable cog elites in as much as their children more likely to revert to mean but never the less they will meet and fuck your children at harvard and contribute 50% of elite generation and some hybrid really dont want 50% of the gifted struggling in tiny houses and gigs deciding they really ought to be figuring out how to build a robot army to take you out because they can they have the numbers

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  50. Anonymous [AKA "helmond"] says:

    Inside beltway crap.
    Capitalism have been hijacked long time ago by the secret private bank.Central economic control.
    The average american citizen daily survival depends on the will to deliver the goods from roughly 11 corporations and their subsidiary networks.And for those who are trying to control morality “happy fishing day”.

  51. KenH says:

    Phil Donohue had his issues but was a semi-honest liberal and was the only popular talking head that I recall who was opposed to the Iraq war and asking the hard questions and second guessing politicians.

    Mr. “no spin zone” Bill O’ Reilly and many others gave us nothing but spin and just vomited out the neocon talking points.

  52. @Wally

    Do you get your talking points from Ayn Rand’s didactic, absurd novel “Atlas Shrugged?” Paul Ryan did, and what did he ever do for the country besides give more tax cuts to the rich?

    • Replies: @Wally
  53. lysias says:

    Take power away from the elected politicians who can be bribed by the capitalists, and give it to average people. Adopt the Athenian system of choosing officials by lot from all citizens, and capitalism may have to reform.

  54. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Dreams [Matrix Blues]”:

    “Dreams, you’ve been hanging on
    To dreams when all your dreaming should be done
    Dreams, about the way the world could be
    You keep dreaming , despite reality

    “Dreams, that Donald Trump is not a fraud,
    Dreams, that Obama was not a fraud,
    Dreams, that Reagan was not a fraud,
    Dreams, that all the rest were not frauds,
    Dreams, that the Constitution is not a scam,


    Dreams, that the Supreme Court is not a scam,
    Dreams, that the Federal Reserve is not a scam,
    Dreams, that the C.I.A. is not a scam,
    Dreams, that the F.B.I. is not a scam,
    Dreams, that the cops and the courts are not a scam,

    Dreams, that the Pentagon is not a scam,
    Dreams, that 9/11 was not a scam,
    Dreams, that the war on terror is not a scam,
    Dreams, that Social Security is not a scam,
    Dreams, that public education is not a scam…..”
    [and so on and so forth]….


  55. Agent76 says:

    November 21, 2018 The homelessness crisis deepens across North America

    Homelessness is spiraling out of control across the US and Canada as laws are enacted to criminalize rough sleepers, reports John Clarke.

    Oct 2, 2014 13 year old girl Victoria Grant explains Extreme Corruption the cause of Extreme Poverty Governments

    Second speech by 13 year old Victoria Grant on the issue of corruption within the banking system. She argues it is a cause of extreme poverty.

  56. What we have here in the US is communism disguised as capitalism , is anyone doubts this, read the 10 planks of the communist manifesto!

  57. onebornfree says: • Website

    anon[393] • Disclaimer says: “..i had to admit capitalism had probably done more harm to west civ tham communism in fact without capitalism there is no communism….”

    If you [ or anyone else] wanted to live under an entirely voluntary communist/socialist [ or whatever] system, while others freely chose not to, then I personally would have no problem with that.

    But of course, that is not whats being implied in all of this back and forth. The discussion here and elsewhere is ultimately always about who gets to enforce, at the point of a gun, their own imagined “ideal” system on everyone else, via everybodys imagined best friend/big brother, the government, regardless of individual preference.

    Private socialism? Go for it.

    Not a problem [except for those who try to live under it], but “go ahead, make my day” as someone once said.

    After all , the very first Plymouth colony in the “New World” was founded on full on socialism, and therefor quickly failed, but , I remind myself: the one thing that we learn from history is that we don’t learn anything from history. 🙂

    Regards, onebornfree

  58. Wally says:

    1. Nope, never read it. Whats “absurd” about it?

    However, it’s noted that you cannot refute my “talking points”.

    2. What tax cuts for the rich only? The recent one has helped everyone; me, even you, IF you even work.

    Besides, I’m for any tax cuts. The less money Big Gov has the better.

    BTW: ca. 50% of US workers pay NO federal income tax.


  59. anarchyst says:

    I would take it a step further. As it stands now, Congress exempts itself from just about every law and regulation that it imposes on the rest of us. Also, most people are unaware that federal judges do not pay “income taxes”.
    What is needed it a Constitutional amendment to wit:
    “Congress shall make NO LAW that does not apply equally to itself, the legislative branch, the executive branch, the judicial branch, and its agencies, departments, and subdivisions, thereof. All federal agencies, departments, and subdivisions thereof are prohibited from enacting any rulemaking without express approval of Congress. Corporate charters shall not confer the status of personhood on corporations”.”

  60. Wally says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I guess all those millions of illegals already in and all the millions more wanting in don’t think America is so great.

    And no doubt you’re planning your move to Canada with Barbra Streisand. LOL

  61. Wally says:
    @Icy Blast

    Indeed, disparaging free market capitalism that doesn’t exist is like describing Communism as government by & for the people.

  62. @Achmed E. Newman

    Great comment! I found Tucker’s speech to be vague and largely off point. We do not have capitalism, we have “currently existing capitalism”- like the left called the USSR “currently existing socialism”, libertarians know, as Rand said, capitalism is an Unknown Ideal.
    As a fellow traveller with Ron Paul, Tucker still has libertarian leanings. He seems confused sometimes about his stand on the Drug War, too often settling for his trope that interdiction at the border will actually stop the overdose deaths, rather than recognizing interdiction has been a failure for a hundred years. And how can he recognize that our foreign wars involve us in one futile crisis after another, without asking why after a century of the war on drugs, we are still experiencing a drug crisis? He says he regrets his “long haired libertarian youth”, thereby marking himself as just another old fogey who can’t remember the fun he had When he was young.
    Instead of pearl clutching, he could strike the biggest blow to international corporatism by acknowledging the crucial role that de- dollariztion is playing. He could recognize the role of the Fed in creating international power centers in NYC, London, Zurich now being challenged by Moscow and Beijing.
    Like all conservatives, and alas libertarians as well, he doesn’understand the US Individual Income Tax, the original Populist response to big government enabled crony capitalism. He doesn’t understand the income tax is a tax on the exploitation of a federal privilege for profit, not an UN-apportioned tax on “everything that comes in”. See
    And please, bring a real libertarian on as his straw man, not that awful, slow thinking slow talking Objectivist !

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  63. FvS says:

    Libertarianism needs white nationalism, but at least libertarians consistently call out the Federal Reserve. Tucker never has to my knowledge, maybe because he doesn’t understand or isn’t interested in monetary policy. But monetary policy affects all aspects of the economy, from wages to international trade. Tucker is libertarian on foreign policy, among other things, and the last time I checked, he’s no Bernie Sanders or Ocasio-Cortez when it comes to domestic policy. Does he favor socialized medicine, public higher education, expansion of the welfare state, and government housing for all? His main gripe is with many corporations’ love of cheap foreign labor, big tech censorship, and “free” trade. Oh, and he thinks the rich need to be taxed a little more. Can’t say I disagree with him there. However, I don’t even see any evidence that he is a race realist. I like him, but he seems like the quintessential civic nationalist to me, though that could just be the mask he has to wear.

    The foreign labor aspect does need to be reined in (hence why libertarianism needs racial/ethnic nationalism). Google is hardly a private company as it was seed funded by the CIA and NSA. Facebook regularly colludes with Israeli/U.S. Intelligence. It is not unlibertarian to oppose “private” companies that become arms of the state to shut down opposition. The whole free trade vs. protectionism debate is more complicated than either side will admit. Both policies create winners and losers to varying degrees as Trump’s tariffs have shown, and the Federal Reserve mucks up things either way. There is no free market in America.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  64. wayfarer says:

    Socialism in Marxist theory is a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.


    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Realist
  65. @Anon

    Good rebuttal to Achmed E. Newman’s comment and the Hallelujah Chorus replying to him. Carlson’s point about market capitalism being a religion to conservatives triggers them mightily.

  66. @Achmed E. Newman

    I love the way you sprinkle your magical market fairy dust.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  67. Z-man says:

    I’ve been a big fan of Carlson since he took over for blow hard O’Reilly two years ago.
    Wouldn’t it be nice if the ‘Antifa lite’ fags that attacked Carlson’s wife and house went after Bill Kristol.

  68. wayfarer says:

    Trotskyism : the political, economic, and social principles advocated by Trotsky especially the theory and practice of communism developed by or associated with Trotsky and usually including adherence to the concept of worldwide revolution as opposed to socialism in one country.


  69. Avery says:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is an idiot, a radical, a nut,……whatever.
    But she got elected with 78% of voters choosing her.
    Muslim radical Rashida Tlaib’s win was closer (31% to 30% next closest Brenda Jones), but she won.

    With the prevailing demographic trends, this will happen more and more in America.
    Ocasio-Cortez might be a certifiable nut, but with the relentlessly changing voter base she and people like Rashida Tlaib will become the new normal.

    Adios, America.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    , @Miggle
    , @Wally
  70. Realist says:

    It looks like a pipe dream, and perhaps it is, do you have better alternative?


    Think about it, while commenters “Achmed E. Newman” and “redmudhooch” almost totally disagree on ideological grounds It seems obvious they could march in a lockstep in a political movement trying to separate the Government from crony capitalism – with all the Unz crowd and majority of the public close behind them. It would be a beautiful sight!

    A majority of the public close behind them??? You need to get off the weed or what ever drug you’re on.

    Washington filled with protesters with signs: “We want our Government back” or “The best Government money can by doesn’t work – lets try something else”

    Yeah that’ll scare the shit out of the Deep State.

    Revolution is the answer….until that happens …SOS

  71. Realist says:

    Look at AOC’s eyes….she’s crazy.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  72. ANON[253] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s just proof that if you willing eat your own excrement it has a seriously negative effect on brain function. Shapiro, French and their ilk are and the terminal stage of the above diet. Doesn’t matter now, it’s too late for them and their disciples. Theere will be a revolution, that is for certain. When and how violent are 2 interlinked aspects of it. The longer the current conditions continue the more steam will build up in the cooker. Let them keep denying the economic and social reality. Economic collapse is not far away.

  73. KenH says:

    Tucker’s broadsides against unrestrained market capitalism are mostly spot on. Capitalism worked best in America when it was restrained and regulated but now that most of those restraints have been removed it’s wreaking havoc on the American working and middle classes via relocation of production facilities overseas and insourcing of third world labor. Contrary to what Tucker might claim it’s whites who’ve been the hardest hit and most impacted by our “new” economy that benefits the few at the expense of everyone else. All racial groups aren’t suffering equally.

    Finance capital has become so greedy and rapacious that it’s going to require state power to rein them in for the good of the nation. If companies are induced to move their production facilities back to the U.S. and labor insourcing schemes are eliminated then this will start transferring wealth back to the working and middle classes where it used to be in the form of rising wages and benefits.

    Mass third world immigration and the various work visa rackets have created an artificial oversupply of labor which drives down wages and benefits. In so many words Alan Greenspan admitted this was by design when he ran the Federal Reserve.

    Little Ben Shapiro and the kosher cons oppose state intervention in the market unless it involves an economic boycott of Israel. Then they become champions of state power and draconian penalties for non-compliance.

    • Agree: densa
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  74. Realist says:

    The Economist is a shit rag…a tool of the Deep State. Cheap labor is their god.

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  75. Realist says:

    Idiots on here are always going on about how we don’t got capitalism, if we only had capitalism, we don’t got free markets, if only we had free markets, then everything would be hunky-dory.

    One of the idiots on here don’t got grammar.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  76. @Achmed E. Newman

    The first question of capitalism is what is the capital?

    It is impossible to have capitalism in a debt-based fiat currency system.

    We do not have an economy — we have asset bubble management, just like the high IQ numbers guys who were running Long-Term Capital Management. What could go wrong?

    The current economic order is best described as this:


    Federal Reserve Bank Chair Powell should raise the federal funds rate two times in 2019.

    The first increase in the federal funds rate should be from the current 2.5 percent to 6 percent.

    The second increase in the federal funds rate should be from 6 percent to 10 percent.

    The asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would implode at a 6 percent federal funds rate; the 10 percent federal funds rate would just finish off any straggler portions of the asset bubbles.

    • Agree: Miggle
  77. @Realist

    The Economist is owned by the Rothschilds and is a zionist NWO propaganda vehicle!

  78. @redmudhooch

    “You go to jail for smoking a joint for goodness sake.”

    Name one US citizen in jail right now for JUST smoking a joint.

  79. wayfarer says:

    RMS Titanic struck an iceberg at 11:40 pm on 14 April 1912 and sank within 2 hours and 45 minutes.

    USS America is now taking on water, fast. Still no general quarters alarm is sounding. It maybe too late for her, as any damage control efforts at this point are probably futile.

    Once it becomes imminent that she’s doomed, those responsible for her forlorn fate will most likely be thrown over the side without life jackets, by America’s rank-and-file citizens.

    I intend to stay on board for this mutiny, and go down with the ship.

  80. Beppe Grillo and Andrew Jackson both understood the power of the CENTRAL BANKER SHYSTERS.

    Beppe Grillo has a full head of hair.

    Andrew Jackson had a full head of hair.

    I am jealous of the hair Jackson had, and the hair Grillo has; it doesn’t make me a bad person.

    Beppe Grillo goes full Andrew Jackson to talk central banking in arena-sized venue(1998):

  81. anarchyst says:

    Henry Ford CREATED a market which had not existed when he paid his employees \$5.00 per day. The average wage of the day was around \$1.25 per day. His premise was not entirely altruistic as assembly line work was monotonous; a way had to be found to retain employees as well.
    Of course, the wall street types and the banksters howled that Ford’s wage rates would destroy capitalism (as they knew it) those at the top reap all of the benefits while the “proles” are forced to live on a bare subsistence wage, due to the machinations of those at the top). Guess what?? The OPPOSITE happened.
    Henry Ford knew one of the basic tenets of a truly free, capitalistic society, that a well-paid work force would be able to participate and contribute to a strong economy, unlike what is taught in business schools today, that wages must be kept to a bare minimum and that the stockholder is king.
    Our “free trade” politicians have assisted the greedy wall street types and banksters in depressing wages on the promise of cheap foreign labor and products. A good example of this is the negative criticism that Costco receives for paying its employees well above market wages. These same wall street types praise Wal-Mart for paying its employees barely subsistence wages while assisting them in filling out their “public assistance” (welfare) forms.
    Any sane person KNOWS that in order for capitalism to work, employees need to make an adequate wage. Unfortunately, this premise does not exist in today’s business climate.
    Henry Ford openly criticized those of the “tribe” for manipulating wall street and banksters to their own advantage, and was roundly (and unjustly) criticized for pointing out the TRUTH.
    Catholic priest, Father Coughlin did the same thing and was punished by the Catholic church, despite his popularity and exposing the TRUTH of the American economy and the outsider internationalists that ran it . . . and STILL run it.
    Our “race to the bottom” will not be without consequences. A great realignment is necessary (and is coming) . .

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  82. Tucker for President! David French? He is one of those undeserving Tribe member who got into his well paying gig, just like the louts Ron Unz has brought attention to at the Ivies? Carlson is good a Christian, father, husband and American… is that character Ben Shapiro any of it? When the majority will take back America, that’s the day America will be great again!

  83. renfro says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    We need a real, permanent shutdown of 95% of the US Gov’t shitshow!

    This is exceedingly stupid and simplistic. As is not really understanding the different levels of capitalism.
    What you are promoting is….”The purest form of capitalism is free market or laissez-faire capitalism, in which private individuals are completely unrestrained in determining where to invest, what to produce or sell and at which prices to exchange goods and services, operating without checks or controls.

    Pay attention to the bolded sentence.

    Further you claim:

    When the Big-Gov/Big-Biz crony capitalism that people call “Capitalism” exists, family and small businesses are actively marginalized and destroyed. Regulations are made FOR, but also BY, Big-Biz in hand with Big-Gov to strangle any competition

    Peak Stupidity is thinking that doing away with government will cure the problem of ”Big-Biz in hand with Big-Gov to strangle any competition”

    So go ahead remove big gov and what pitiful regulations that do exist and just let Big Biz run entirely free.

    They will eat your lunch even more than they do now.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  84. Miggle says:

    I agree, except, for starters, legislate that (1) a corporation is not a person, (2) a corporation can’t own stocks and shares in any corporation, including itself.

    How to corporate mergers happen? How do multinational corporations come into existence?

    • Replies: @Miggle
  85. Miggle says:

    Sandy’s not a nut. To be skeptical of the MSM and investigate for yourself, go to Syria and inspect the reality, is not to be a nut.

    Of course the MSM is in relentless disagreement with that, Sandyphobic absolutely and forever. That makes her a nut, they say.

  86. Miggle says:

    How do corporate mergers happen?, I meant.

    Suppose all corporations were relatively small but there were, therefore, vastly more of them. Meaning a total number of employees far greater than in this world where corporate merger makes many staff redundant.

    • Replies: @Miggle
    , @Nonny
  87. SteveM says:

    French also defended the virtue of America’s elites, citing their charitable giving (including to National Review?)

    Total compensation numbers according to the 2017 IRS Form 990 submitted by the “non-profit” National Review:

    Neocon Plutocrat Extraordinaire Rich Lowry: \$388,862
    Reptile Social Darwinst Kevin Williamson: \$210,189
    Jonah Goldberg (who double dips at AEI): \$206,856

    Not bad scratch for just showing up and gas-bagging.

    It’s good to be them…

  88. TKK says:

    Salient Point.
    As a lawyer- I see weekly the State Crush the individual for petty mistakes or indulgences.

    Absolute desperation is being locked up with violent criminals who refuse to bathe – without air conditioners in the Florida heat. The prisons self segregate and the blacks ARE apex predators. Guards are afraid of them and the administration caters to them.

    The SOLE group to stand up to them are Mexicans. That is why Demetrius and LaToya should frantically oppose immigration from Central and South America – they are pitiless and as politically sensitive as a hyena.

    So let’s say you do you survive a gulag sentence for having some weed.

    You probably will not be able to getting a job bagging groceries if you have a felony.

    Think about the client who was sent to prison for three years for stealing a snickers bar ( I did his appeal) . And then I think about Anthony Mozella of Countrywide loans who stole billions of dollars, his emails prove he was acting with premeditation and malice, by bundling worthless mortgages and then taking out insurance policies on them for when they would surely default-
    And he sailed away into the Hamptons with a golden parachutes stuck in his lying gob.

    The American police state crushes the ability of a man to be a man. You cannot confront or even challenge someone when you have been wronged. You will be locked up and you will lose everything you have. There is no hope for America.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  89. Miggle says:

    So, there are 300 leading MSM corporations instead of 3. Many problems solved!

  90. if conservatism inc. is so obsequiously reverent of unrestrained capitalism why did they push the u.s. government to bail out big banks?

    the privatization of profits, and the socialization of losses is hardly indicative of longstanding capitalist dogma.

  91. Rod1963 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Typical libertarian business as usual screed.

    Who who controls government Alfred? Big business does.

    Who dictated destructive trade policies for the last 24 years? Big business.

    Who supports the mass importation of foreign workers to replace American workers? Big business.

    Who supports open borders and mass immigration: Your buddies in business.

  92. wayfarer says:

    The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.


    A Socialist Mexico: Threat to American Security?

  93. @Achmed E. Newman

    Agreed regarding small/family business. Your Big Biz/Big Gov hates three things. Taxes, wages and competition. How many Americans are old enough to remember local retail whereby your money stayed in your town?

    • Replies: @Wally
  94. Agent76 says:

    Folks need to know and understand that fiat banking is the scam.

    FEB. 5, 2015 Global Debt Has Risen by \$57 Trillion Since the Financial Crisis

    For every debtor there is a creditor, and in theory an economy should be able to hum along just fine whether a country’s citizens have a great deal of debt or none.

  95. Tucker Carlson is a brilliant man doing God’s work. Critics like Shapiro are midgets in comparison.
    Tucker is right, we are headed for full on marxism and the dangerous decline that always follows when they run out of other people’s money.

    AOC, the hate filled anti-white bigot, wants massive taxes on whites, to give the funds to non-whites, so that whites can’t breed and non-white birth rates can rabbitize.

    We’re looking at the end of western civilization, and massive immigration is the main cause. All of the other political ills flow from the race replacement agenda, the socially engineered genocide of the white race.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  96. Wally says:

    Cortez, who won an election in a sub-section of NYC, is a manufactured big deal because Jew York is a big deal for Jews, and if something is a big deal for Jews it’s certain that their owned media will shove it down everyone’s throat and insist that it’s a big deal for everyone. Just another way of promoting unearned Jew supremacism.

    Most voters stayed home for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez win:

  97. Wally says:

    IOW, you admitted that there is no free market economy because of Big Government.

    There are always going to be special interest groups, the job of real democratic governments is to avoid doing their bidding for them.

    Just because someone wants something does not mean government should give it to them.

    Bottom line:
    No Big Gov, no interference in the economy.
    Big business cannot achieve anti free market conditions without them.

    Your Communist pretzel logic is laughable.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  98. Wally says:

    Anti free market Big Gov allows monopolies which drive out competition, drive out small businesses.

    • Replies: @KenH
  99. Shapiro believes we just need Americans to stop wanting “stuff” and exhibit virtue in order to bring back Middle America

    Exhibiting virtue has been illegal since at least 1970. It’s a commonplace that “no good deed goes unpunished”. If Shapiro wants virtue, he should want the laws changed.

    Americans who stop wanting “stuff” rapidly lose everything they have to people who do want “stuff”. To paraphrase Dilbert : “I don’t want much. And, boy, do I get it.” If Shapiro wants that to cease, he will have to change laws to provide a shelter for those who don’t want to spend their time being hyper-competitive.

    The system doesn’t work. The postmodernist / immigrants are displaying virtue (manliness) by flat out conquest (TD’s combat, glory, and the Loot of Empire is a virtue display, sort of like Horatio at the Bridge { , if you’re interested}. Everybody else finds a bolthole and hopes nobody screws a bolt into it.


    Locke pointed out that the productive must band together and destroy the bandits (“predators”), or at least keep them in check. Otherwise, human activity shifts over to mutual raiding, sometimes in the form of subduing the local peasants and raiding each other. Society becomes markedly poor, raiding being quite unproductive, but times are exciting (or maybe terrifying) and everybody has lots of good stories. Women even get to be womanly, as there are lots of men to patch up and quite a bit of “Career work” to do while the me are off raiding or working for the local aristocrat. Life spans go down, infant mortality goes up, and, bing, we’re back to the middle ages (just like contemporary gang war Mexico or insane government Venezuela).

    Example: Song of Hybras the Cretan

    I have a sharp sword and I have a stout spear
    and a thick bull hide shield I carry before me
    I plow and I sow and I reap with this gear
    The peasants all bow
    and the women adore me.
    (paraphrase of L. S. DeCamp’s translation)

    MS-13 shows virtue in Hybras’ sense. That’s why MS-13 can recruit.

    If you’re a member of the American historic population, however, your only option is to enlist. And then to come back, injured quite often, at least several years behind in the civil job market, to listen to public service announcements: “Soldiers go overseas to fight so _you_ don’t have to”. Rather like trash collectors. Try showing virtue in a corporation and HR gets upset. You can’t show virtue – it’s treated as a crime.
    First story – long time ago, 1960s. We’d just read “Saga of Burnt Njal” ( ). The English professor (who, in hindsight was not very good) emphasized that nobody should ever result to violence, and that the insult that drove the action should have been ignored. He was quite insistent on that, and quite intense. No particular reason given, no “Look, they all got killed”, no “Hey, if they ignored the insult everybody and their dog would take them for weak and assault them”, no “We’ll think the insulting person was a bad person”, just “Hey, you’re a piece of and _anybody_ can insult you and there isn’t a damn thing you can to about it”. In other words, no virtue. You can’t even show spite, one of the womanly ways of repaying insults. Nope, you’re a college student and you had best sit down and shut up. Note that the Wikipedia article has the same attitude today.
    Second Story: We had some anti-sex training in maybe 2015. The theme that time was: men should protect women. Great, fine by me. Having no sense at all, I decided to have some fun, and asked the Party propagandist (PP) whether we got any protection from felony charges if we were attacked while trying to separate a half drunk man and a half drunk woman. That’s what they’d been saying to do, so what happens if we did it? They said “No protection. Screw it up and we come down on you. You have to do it _without_ causing any excitement.” So, I said “Fine, I’ll give it a try next opportunity.” The PP spent the rest of the meeting trying to talk me out of it, apparently thinking that I’d actually do something and then complain that he told me to do it.
    As I said, virtue is illegal. Everybody knows that.

    So — Just as Locke said, we’re getting overrun with bandits – Cretans if you will, just like Hybras.

    So: The terms of the argument are wrong. Shapiro claims to be defending virtue but is in fact supporting its supression. He claims to be supporting less severe economic competition, but is in fact supporting more severe economic competition. _This isn’t an argument, it is a smoke screen_ intended to get participants running in circles.

    To say that is free enterprise — Nice phrase, but an attempted fraud. That is no more “free enterprise” than was the Soviet Gulag, or for that matter is a small rock.
    The above is the “mouse in the machine” view. For a systematic analysis — see Hicks, _Explaining Postmodernism_, and his Youtube video “explaining postmodernism 2018.

  100. Art says:

    Tucker Carlson correctly complains about the current day US corporation – in the past they provided a permanence and stability to the American economy and nation. The US corporation provided well-paying jobs to workers, middle management, and executives – plus stability to their families and communities. They provided steady work, health benefits, and pensions. No one was left out (and no one made obscene amounts of money). Plant and equipment were paid for – there was little debt. The corporation had a fiduciary responsibility to all – customers, employees, investors, communities, and nation. All was not perfect – but for the most part all was stable and prosperous. What happened?

    In 1986 Allen Greenspan was installed as Federal Reserve Chairman. For the next 30 years in a series of financial debt bubbles, he transferred the stored wealth of the American corporation into the hands of the Jews. It started with the junk bond takeover of stable corporations. The money that paid employees good wages, pensions, and health care had to be diverted into paying interest to wealthy bond holders. Middle management lost their jobs, and upper management began paying themselves obscene amounts of money. Longstanding corporate names disappeared out of existence. Companies were sold and resold losing all sense of proprietorship and responsibility. Greenspan provided the cash and the debt to do all this.

    Next came the irrational internet bubble and the insane home price bubble – again Greenspan provided the cash and debt that fueled both. Jews got richer.

    It is undeniable that the Greenspan and the Big Jews looted large corporations and individual home owners of their assets. We live in the age of the oligarch Jew.

    This is a story that needs to be told – someone must write a book laying out all the sorted facts.

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    , @renfro
    , @MarkinLA
  101. bucky says:

    Regarding the crazy family-hostile economics, also consider the homosexual angle. This weekend the NYT had an article about young gay men who are pro-Trump.

    These people are why the system has become so hostile to working people. Gays are childless ideologues, who, lacking the humanizing touch of family formation, often become strident in their ideology which is simply their derangement from humanity. The centers of power, government, media, etc, are heavily gay. DC is the most homosexual city in the country, more so than San Francisco.

    You can see it in the priorities. Corporate tax cuts, yes. Child tax credit, no. Family leave, no. More so than the Jewish angle, which to be fair, may be in play, the homosexual angle likely explains a lot of why our government and institutions have gotten so out of hand. This certainly is what the Russians think. They don’t obsess over the Jews. But they do object to the homosexual agenda.

  102. Nonny says:

    Good point. Why is Big Business so big?

  103. Evo Morales, savage colored barbarian, is raising his country out of poverty. Unlike the “whites” who ground it down for centuries.

    He’s doing it by taking the money away from the rich and giving it to the poor. Just like Robin Hood.

    And that’s the only way to go. Ask white Aristotle. Politics is rich fighting poor and nothing else.

    If you take the money from the rich and give it to the poor you are good and fighting on the right side.

    If you say some utter crap like, “The rich deserve to keep what they’ve earned,” then you are bozo who does not have a right to speak, because the opinion of a bozo ain’t worth a flipped coin.

    How many bricks you gotta lay to “earn” a billion dollars?

    Question: What kind of bozo honors Bill Gates for murdering the guy who invented DOS, stealing it, and “earning” billions of dollars?

    Answer: A libertarian.

    • Agree: Cyrano
    • Replies: @Wally
  104. @Realist

    I’m imitating the grammar of idiots like you. You obviously don’t know how to read.

  105. @Wally

    You’re an idiot. You can’t read. The guy is saying “There is ‘big government.’ There is only big business.”

    For your information, “free markets” are a chimera of the fantasies of lonely middle-aged basement-dwellers who think themselves “bright.” Dream on, bright bulb.

    • Replies: @Wally
  106. We can start with price controls, alla Nixon. Better yet the state should take control of media. Yes, desperate times call for desperate action.

    • Disagree: apollonian
  107. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    I rarely bother to read these super-long comment, but in this case I’m glad I did. You nailed it perfectly.

    As Houllebecq put it, these are “leaders” will do nothing to fight for the interests of their people but will die to defend free trade. In the US context I might add “bombing Muslims” to list of pet causes, but the point still stands.

  108. wayfarer says:

    Who controls the issuance of money, controls the government.



    Too big to fail proved that, there is no such mother fucking thing as too big to fail in real capitalism. Too big to fail is akin to a kingdom and we are the surfs.

    I’m getting sick of this insanity.

  110. Ronnie says:

    Tucker Carlson should run for President – he has all the right qualities as did Reagan – he is much more presentable and intelligent than anyone the GOP is thinking of running in 2020 including Trump. Tucker is someone who could communicate with the American people, talk sense into them and put us on the right path again. We truly need something radical like this to give us a real chance. Trump had a vague hint of this radicalism but did not have the abilities to get things done and defeat his enemies from the previous administrations. He just had too much baggage and not enough talent.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  111. renfro says:


    Greenspan was a disaster. And was he just stupid and naïve about business regulating itself…..or did he the fuck the country at the behest of his WS Jew buddies? First creating bubbles and then bursting them… the Vultures could then sweep in and gobble up the assets of the people left in ruin?
    I say he wasn’t that stupid, just crooked as hell. Now he’s paid millions by WS firms who hire a guy that crashed US markets?….doesn’t make sense does it, except in term of pay off.

    In his memoir, Greenspan wrote, “assisted by the wave of deregulation since the mid-1970s, today’s U.S. economy remains the most competitive in the world, and American culture still exhibits much of the risk taking and taste for adventure of the country’s earlier years.”

    Yet, in more regulated times, America exhibited the very same entrepreneurial behavior and risk taking that it did in Greenspan’s time, and perhaps more. In the 1950s, with the rise of Xerox, Kodak, IBM, Sears, Syntex, Merck, Johnson & Johnson, Hewlett-Packard, and others, innovation and regulation went hand in hand with financial stability, rising wages, and income equality. Had he achieved that record, he would have deserved the praise he had received.
    The unleashing of unregulated self-interest since the 1980s, he believed, was a sufficient condition for prosperity.

    Was he trying to hide his intent when he hid his dissertation from the public prior heading the Fed?

    ” In 1977, Greenspan obtained a Ph.D. in economics from New York University. His dissertation is not available from the university[18] since it was removed at Greenspan’s request in 1987, when he became Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.
    In April 2008, however, Barron’s obtained a copy and notes that it includes “a discussion of soaring housing prices and their effect on consumer spending; it even anticipates a bursting housing bubble”

    • Replies: @Art
    , @jilles dykstra
  112. Wally says:

    “If you say some utter crap like, “The rich deserve to keep what they’ve earned,” then you are bozo who does not have a right to speak, because the opinion of a bozo ain’t worth a flipped coin.
    How many bricks you gotta lay to “earn” a billion dollars?
    Question: What kind of bozo honors Bill Gates for murdering the guy who invented DOS, stealing it, and “earning” billions of dollars?”

    – That’s it? You call that mumbling an argument?

    – You provided absolutely no reason for seizing someones income, only low IQ ranting.

    – Most poor people are so because of personal decisions and / or activities they chose to engage in. They earned being poor, hence it’s their problem, no one else’s.

    – Don’t like laying bricks? Fine, learn to do something else.

    – Proof that leftist Gates murdered someone and stole DOS is nowhere to be seen, just more of that dumb ranting.

    All that from someone who doesn’t even have a job or a skill to offer.

    • Agree: apollonian
  113. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:

    The thing wrong with Americanist Capitalism is that the working man fails to step it up and demand a bigger, and better paycheck with less taxes taken out! It must be a demand by the mass of workers without bend and with force like the Oligarchs of this Americanist Capitalists clique have never seen before-PERIOD!

  114. KenH says:

    Anti free market Big Gov allows monopolies which drive out competition, drive out small businesses.

    Not necessarily. Sherman anti-trust legislation, which libertarians staunchly oppose, is “big government” to prevent monopolies and break them up but it’s rarely if ever enforced. And like with all laws it’s only selectively enforced against entities with little political clout.

    I wholeheartedly agree that regulations need to be rolled back to allow smaller companies to break into industries. Cable TV and high speed internet is a prime example where more competition is necessary to drive prices down.

    • Replies: @Wally
  115. onebornfree says: • Website

    “If one understands that Socialism is not a ‘share the wealth’ program but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super rich men promoting Socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism, or more accurately Socialism, is not a movement of the down-trodden masses but of the economic elite.” From: “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” -Gary Allen

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” Frederic Bastiat

    “Why should any self-respecting citizen endorse an institution grounded on thievery? For that is what one does when one votes. If it be argued that we must let bygones be bygones, see what can be done toward cleaning up the institution of the State so that it might be useful in the maintenance of orderly existence, the answer is that it cannot be done; you cannot clean up a brothel and yet leave the business intact. We have been voting for one “good government” after another, and what have we got?” Frank Chodorov

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “The only real revolution in human affairs began thousands of years ago and continues to this day: the gradual replacement of brute force with market-based persuasion. ” Bill Bonner

    “Everything government touches turns to crap” Ringo Starr

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Capitalism is not a system” onebornfree

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  116. Rod1963 says:

    Newman is living in a fantasy world like most libertarians.

    Of course he’d be enraged by Carlson’s comment because it goes against his libertarian dogma that if we let business run amok all will be well. The fact is the opposite is true. Allowing big business to dictate policy has resulted in the destruction of the middle-class, the mid-West, the browning of America to name but a few.

    If he’d step back and take a look at Carlson’s critics, every single one of them hasn’t held a real job in their life. They’re all bullshitters in the pay of someone else. Shapiro pimped himself out to some billionaire who bankrolls the little sociopath and his cuck conservativism.

    We see what happens when business gets their way. They replace American workers with lower paid foreigners and build their factories in countries with no labor or enviromental laws. Or we get trading partners that think it’s okay to flood the country with Fentanyl and Carfentanyl or a pharmaceutical company that’s allowed to produce far more Oxycontin than is needed and knowningly floods smalls towns across the country with it.

    Or promote open borders to provide their businesses with more cheap labor.

    The businessman doesn’t care if it destroys the country as long as they make a fat wad. That much I learned from many of them. That’s all that matters to many.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  117. The National Review=The Cuck Review=The Homosexual Review=The Pederast Review…..

  118. Art says:

    Greenspan was a disaster. And was he just stupid and naïve about business regulating itself…..or did he the fuck the country at the behest of his WS Jew buddies?

    renfro — the numbers do not lie – American has become a Jew oligarch nation – and it happened on Greenspan’s watch — Art

  119. What sounds would Jeff Bezos make if he were dipped in a vat of car battery acid?….This is an old philosophic puzzler you know…..This is the kind of Socialism I like…….

    One must be highly psychopathic when it comes to the billionaire Oligarch Class…

  120. Well….it’s getting close to off with their fucking heads time…..but should we tear their intestines out first?

    • Agree: apollonian
  121. @Realist

    waving my magic wand . . .

    but it is the answer to right direction.

    If you can’t feed your family on the federal salary – then don’t run.

    I am not even sure why anyone representing their state’s constituency is paid a federal wage as opposed to what their states’ can afford. The Congressman from iowa represent Iowans. I wish I lived in Iowa, maybe, but for the time being that is not the case.

  122. Wally says:

    Catch up.

    I know what he said, and you simply have no answers to my replies.

    No surprise there.

    Indeed, you continue to talk like a Communist loser who is too lazy to work.

  123. Wally says:

    No, libertarians do not “staunchly” oppose anti-trust legislation.

    In fact, most libertarians believe a monopoly will not remain a monopoly for long if the market is truly free and if the government is not protecting the monopoly with favorable laws.
    Most actual monopolies are government sanctioned and protected.


    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  124. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:

    Lost in this analysis is any sense of probability. What is the probability that the tax code (or anything else he mentioned) will spontaneously fix itself against the wishes of the public, according to all the polls? Answer: very small, probably zero. So, why bother with that approach?

    i think your kind of thought makes you one of those the American Colonist would have called a British Aristocrat either in fact or one who benefits by supporting Colonial British Supported Abusers of the American Colonialism, maybe one of its lawyers? . And for years the individual British colonies in
    America took it on the chin.. Then one day the abused got their act together, discovered the problem each was experiencing was then, as now, the government. It was not the form of government, it was not the principles of government, not was it the fact that a foreign government existed in domestic America, but in fact it was that the living animators of the government were using the government as “abuse central”. It was the governors of British America that made corporate abuse such a problem. The only beneficiaries of the acts of the British government or the British Colonial Government, seemed to always be the promoters of acts or the British Colonial Corporate Aristocracy (West indies Corporations for example). In short, the British Government was passing laws that made corporate Britain wealthy at the expense of, on the backs of, and over the dead bodies of, everyone else.

    So this group who had had enough, formed the Articles of Confederation (AOC), wrote a little tiny document called the Declaration of Independence, 1776, which said the people have the God Given right to self determination.. (right to life, liberty and the right to pursue happiness).. after that writing, they hired the richest man in America to be its General, GW, and he attracted Colonel Shay who brought the manpower to Valley Forge, and well, after a short while the were no more British Corporate Aristocrats in America.. Today, we Americans have the second invasion of foreign government animators, this time it is the Zionist and they support the corporate empires of Zionism.

  125. @renfro

    Greenspan was a disaster. And was he just stupid and naïve about business regulating itself…..

    Business of course does regulate itself.
    Greenspan did not regulate deivatives, derivatives regulated themselves.
    The problem of course is just that business regulating itself leads to other solutions than what governments would have done.
    The Dutch 17th century tulip mania regulated itself, prices collapsed, fortunes disappeared into thin air.

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  127. KenH says:

    Most actual monopolies are government sanctioned and protected.

    And that’s largely through the non-enforcement of anti-trust legislation. The behind the scenes bribes and revolving door between government and industry ensures that it almost never does.

    • Agree: renfro
  128. @TKK

    I am anti-immigration, but, if what you say is true about Mexicans, and I have no reason to doubt it, perhaps I shouldn’t be. With blacks becoming ever more militant, and many leaders demanding reparations, it seems that ‘whitey’ no longer has the backbone to stand up to them. But the Mexicans do. (I use the term to apply to all those entering the country from its Southern border, though I recognize many are not Mexican). They drove the blacks out of Compton, and, though whites in California are now a minority, I’ve also read that it has a comparatively low black population. Many have apparently left the state.

    Taking it one step further, if Mexicans are not afraid of blacks, is it possible that they are not afraid of Jews either? This is said half in jest, but, if they could drive the Jews from the seats of power in the US (not likely), could this wind up being a better country? If you had a choice, which would you prefer – Mexican dominance or Jewish dominance? Pick your poison.

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
  129. @Rod1963

    I am not at all enraged by Tucker Carlson’s comments, Rod. It takes reading through my comments to see that, though. I guess that was too much trouble. I’ll reply to your direct reply to me now.

  130. @renfro

    So go ahead remove big gov and what pitiful regulations that do exist and just let Big Biz run entirely free.

    Yes, because Big-Biz forces you to do stuff under the threat of fines, arrest, and incarceration, is that what you’re saying? Nope, Big-Biz gets the right laws made for enforcement by Big-Gov organizations of all sorts that come with the threat of fines, arrest, and incarceration.

  131. @Rod1963

    It’s kind of weird when people argue against me while using point I already made. I guess it would help to actually read my comments above, Rod.

    Who who controls government Alfred? Big business does.


    Who dictated destructive trade policies for the last 24 years? Big business.


    Who supports the mass importation of foreign workers to replace American workers? Big business.


    Who supports open borders and mass immigration: Your buddies Big Government’s buddies in business.

    Fixed that one.

    Now, could you go back and actually read what I wrote? See the part about which came first, the chicken or the egg? It’s not hard, in this case, as American small business was left to its own for the 1st 125 years of this country (may have to subtract a bit of the Lincoln era), and arguably 175. It’s only when Fed and State govs were let to obtain powers way beyond the US Constitution’s limits, that Big Business had a whole lot to beat common workers and small business with! I know you don’t get that, but you also don’t seem like one of the flat-out Commies on here, and I’ve corresponded with you before here nicely.

    I’d like to put in 4 or 5 more comments, on Big-Biz, Big-University, Big-Lower-Ed, and the Media to explain why, though we all don’t like what’s going on, enabling them even more is NOT the solution. I’m just wondering how many are still reading the thread, and I got busy, so I may put this all out there the next time this comes around on unz.

    • Replies: @renfro
  132. renfro says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s kind of weird when people argue against me while using point I already made.

    I hope whatever you do to make a living doesn’t involve logical thought.

    Your claim is BIG BIZ is responsible for evils because it controls GOVERNMENT…..

    Sooo…your solution is to get rid of Government.

    Seriously deluded if you think that will work. BIG BIZ will still be here when you get rid of Government..

    Sooo….how you gonna get rid of BIG BIZ after you remove government?

    Posses and pitchforks?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Biff
  133. bjondo says:

    Does the “free market” allow the use
    of tire irons, ball bats, brass knuckles
    to emphasize talking points?

  134. bjondo says:

    From where is the demand for driver less cars coming? Any body here want a driver less car? If blind, cabs work. Why is it accepted a driver less car is the future? The “free market” demands such vehicles?

    How come the hands of former drivers are empty? Forgot the use of hickory bats?

  135. Them Guys says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    “In every single case, there is a Jewish hand that pulls the strings to make puppets dance.
    That is the disease. The rest are all symptoms.”

    Indeed yes. In everything…every time….it IS always Them. The Nefarious Jew in the wood pile. Deadly as a Viper Snake, destructive as the typical ghetto Negro, with an added benefit of being able to pretend to be a European White so to hide in plain sight. At least 109 nations figured this all out and then gave these Nation Wreckers the Big Boot Out. MAGA= Make America Nation #110.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  136. @Wally

    “BTW, what kind of economic system does your absurdly beloved Africa have?’

    U\$A AFRICOM, enforcing Global economic hegemony, maintaining chaos anywhere they can buy off corrupt dictators, or, better yet, regime change (remember Libya? No?)

    Furthermore, since the former colonialists bent over backwards to “educate” a few natives to perhaps become the new leaders, not exactly benevolently, so as to create a considerable disconnect between the natives and the “educated” selectee when reintroduced back into the native population..

    Its the law of unforeseen circumstances, the “unknown unknowns”, which have created the untenable circumstances in Africa.

    BTW, your comment mirrors what Israelis say about Palestinians.

  137. @Achmed E. Newman

    “BTW, what kind of economic system does your absurdly beloved Africa have?’

    U\$A AFRICOM, enforcing Global economic hegemony, maintaining chaos anywhere they can buy off corrupt dictators, or, better yet, regime change (remember Libya? No?)

    Furthermore, since the former colonialists bent over backwards to “educate” a few natives to perhaps become the new leaders, not exactly benevolently, so as to create a considerable disconnect between the natives and the “educated” selectee when reintroduced back into the native population..

    Its the law of unforeseen circumstances, the “unknown unknowns”, which have created the untenable circumstances in Africa.

    BTW, your comment mirrors what Israelis say about Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  138. @Rod1963

    You are dealing with religious zealots.

    Reminds me of Catholicism in Quebec before 1960.

  139. joe webb says:

    Tucker’s “Middle Class” is largely a euphemism for White People.

    Tucker cannot talk about Blacks or Mexicans, or Israel. Why? Obvious.

    There is nothing one can say except…criticism.

    So if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.

    Tucker was once a libertarian, as he states from time to time.

    OK fine Tucker…now what?
    Tucker’s conservatism is classic Liberalism before it was hijacked by Race Equality Peter Pan terrorists.

    Say the N word, say the W word positively, say the anti-Fem word, say the Europe Word positively, and go to Exile or Death.

    Speaking of death, Liberalism has died, and its skeleton….communist bones, dance and assemble themselves back into Life, like End Times Resurrection from the grave to Meet Jesus the Redeemer. It even contains the death of the Jews, per the Scofield Bible. The Second Coming of the Revolution.

    Thus, the zombie zoo of the antifas, Black Lives, lgbtq grotesques, Brown Stain spreading Norte, and Femi-commies pinking their contagion ….breaking out of the zoo and stampeding into State Houses. The Dem Party snake dancing around the White Folks. Die Whitey, die Whitey!

    Tucker does not know or dares not speak its name. Its name is Race, White Boy.

    Joe Webb

    The Fire This Time.

    • Replies: @Art
  140. @bike-anarkist

    “BTW, what kind of economic system does your absurdly beloved Africa have?’

    That wasn’t me. Don’t quote me with lines that come from someone else here.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  141. @renfro

    Again, lack of reading comprehension rears its head. Big Biz has no power over you without the heavy hand of Big Gov. I was going to write about 4 comments on that, but if people can’t understand, I’ll save my time.

    • Replies: @renfro
  142. @Wally

    Wally, I don’t always agree with you, but thanks for trying to reason with the Commies and others on this thread. Great stuff! I mention the others, as they may think pretty rationally, but the Commies are beyond reasoning with.

  143. @onebornfree

    You too, OneBornFree – I really appreciate your comments here too. One can only try …none are so blind as those who WON’T see.

  144. bluedog says:

    Another one like Reagan would sure finish the job Reagan started,the destruction of America….

  145. renfro says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Big Biz has no power over you without the heavy hand of Big Gov.

    I dont think you understand BIG BIZ.

    They have the ‘capital’ .

    That’s how they bought the Gov in the first place.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  146. Biff says:

    Your claim is BIG BIZ is responsible for evils because it controls GOVERNMENT…..

    Sooo…your solution is to get rid of Government.

    Don’t argue with a fool too long, after a while other people can’t tell the difference.

  147. Art says:
    @joe webb

    Tucker’s “Middle Class” is largely a euphemism for White People.

    It is more the white people — it is Euro Christian values.

    The one without the other is just more racism.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @joe webb
  148. joe webb says:

    well, I am a racist, or racialist, or ethnic activist. Let us be clear on this.

    If anyone more or less on White folk’s side, and does not have to keep his or her job, and goes on mooing about race equality , they are fools and opportunists.

    No apologies. I am a racist and if you want to silence, and kill me, you better be fast cuz I am probably faster.

    Racists got all the guns in this country, and that includes the cops, except in San Francisco of curse.


    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Art
  149. bjondo says:
    @joe webb

    the below comment from art absolutely correct.

    It is more the white people — it is Euro Christian values.

    • Replies: @joe webb
  150. @renfro

    I know we’re going around it circles, Renfro, but at least you’ve cut out the nastiness. OK, let’s come around again:

    They have the ‘capital’ .

    That’s how they bought the Gov in the first place.

    Again, EXACTLY!

    However, Renfro, some big company can have the hugest sum of money ever seen under that sun, but if the government is limited and not made of hundreds of alphabet agencies that can regulate the hell out of the small guys*, they don’t have the power they have today.

    I don’t mind this going round and round with you, as long as you are civil about it.


    * Have you been in business, sir? I’m surprised more small businessmen don’t keel over of heart attacks in the mornings after nightmares about any one single thing that some government agency can rule that will ruin everything overnight.

    • Replies: @renfro
  151. @bike-anarkist

    OK, I saw afterwards that your reply to Wally was repeated as a reply to me. Hopefully, it’s not a bug, as this site is pretty solid.

  152. @animalogic

    Sorry for the very late reply, Mr. Logic (internet-time-wise). Sure, the Lyin’ Press infotainment industry IS INDEED a very large cause of irresponsibility and stupidity. However, nobody is forced to watch that crap (YET!) I’d like just one of the people on here complaining about Big Media, besides me, to tell me he has cut the cable and doesn’t participate. Almost everyone who complains about this on-line comes up with examples from WATCHING THE FREAKING IDIOT BOX HIMSELF!

    I have not been hooked up to cable TV since the late 1990’s (and even then, it wasn’t really my call, but I had to chip in), and have not gotten a signal over the air in 5 years (even then, it was just to watch old The Office episodes and have a look at the weather forecast).

    Thank you for the reply.

  153. @Taxhonestyguy

    Thanks for the reply, sir.

    … not that awful, slow thinking slow talking Objectivist !

    Who did you mean here, tax-honesty guy?

    If it were Ayn Rand, one thing I have to say about her, is politics notwithstanding, I will never go through another one of her novels (I’ll wait for the movie), as she takes 2 pages for what should take a paragraph. The only reason I finished The Fountainhead is because I was unemployed at the time!

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  154. @SunBakedSuburb

    You’re doing it wrong, SBS. That comment was meant to be read, not sniffed.

  155. joe webb says:

    if you take genes seriously, or evolutionary psychology seriously, you can only conclude that the ethical system more or less expresses underlying genetics.

    Christianity, expresses the White genome,

    The marxists had it that values (superstructure) expressed underlying class dynamics and that when classes were abolished it would be all warm/fuzzy humanity, sort of like kindergarten.

    Now that we are all grown up, more or less, we know that genes, per identical twin studies, rule.

    The role of Culture is important still …cuz Man per various religious positions, is a weak and slender reed, easily bent by cultural winds, especially Fear and Love, often misplaced.

    Also opportunism plays a large role, for example today, where one needs a Job and must not only salute the flag of anti-racism, but Internalize that position for everyday psychological fitness.

    To carry two conflicting “ideological” positions at the same time is disturbing.

    Also, what we call virtue signaling provides a signal to oneself that one is safer, more acceptable to those around one, and Good, into the bargain. Such. a deal…and money also flows.

    We are a very social animal, and therefore live in various degrees of anxiety if out-of-step with our fellows.

    White ethnic activists (now that “White Nationalism” has been soiled by the Spencers, ) need to support one-another in order to achieve minimal Social solidarity at the personal level.

    Having a woman is a great prize and source of emotional support. Children , ditto.

    Christian values somehow have been bent toward womanish values of late. Christianity never used to have a problem with killing enemies, or slavery. Christ never condemned slavery. It was just a fact of life.

    Like the Poor, who we will always have with us, the contemporary situation is that Third World people who are very stupid, we will always have with us, but must be kept on the other side of The Wall.

    Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, had two and three words for enemy , respectively. The Greek words were more or less, “Public” and “Private” enemy. The public enemy was the invader while the private enemy was in your family and community. You killed the public enemy, but turned the other cheek to the private enemy.

    Latin had three words for enemy. It has about the same two words as the Ancient Greek, but added a third , “rival.” (Nothing like precision in language). . Deal with your rival, don’t just lash out. Etc

    So all you Christians out there, take note. Be a man, and let the ladies wince a bit about your guns. They know that you will protect them, even if they don’t even want to think about it.

    Joe. Webb

  156. renfro says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    * Have you been in business, sir? I’m surprised more small businessmen don’t keel over of heart attacks in the mornings after nightmares about any one single thing that some government agency can rule that will ruin everything overnight.

    I started a long haul trucking company with one truck the summer before I graduated from college. Then I started a Highway Construction company bidding on state highway contracts. Then I bought my first Beer distributorship in ’75 and a second one ’86. My father and my 5 uncles all owned their own businesses from commercial building and bridge construction to oil jobbing to banking to manufacturing. . All my first cousins own their own businesses from auto dealerships to construction to engineering firms to law practices to oil storage facilities.
    There is very little you can tell me about how business and politics and regulation works.

    All I am telling you is it doesn’t matter if you get rid of government…..those ( Big Biz) who have the capital rule. You should focus on getting money out of politics instead if you want fair treatment and to not be at the mercy of gov or big bizness.

    The libertarians who are screeching about their ‘freedom’ and gov and big biz would be the first ones to go screaming and whining for some protection from big biz running them over…..which is exactly what will happen even more so than now.
    So like I said….who you gonna go when there is no authority to go to? Those who aren’t working to clean up government so big biz can be beat instead of playing Wild Wild West gimme me my freedom go it alone cowboys are totally useless noise.

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  157. Art says:
    @joe webb

    well, I am a racist, or racialist, or ethnic activist. Let us be clear on this.


    I defend white culture – you white skin.

    The more that the white culture people lose – the harder it gets on the white skin people.

    Just look at Rep. Steve King – he is defending white Western Christian culture and he is getting politically murdered by the other skin people.

    Hmm – you trash white culture and they trash white culture – how is this working?

    (Gee’ – their are six billion of those other skin people.)

    Think Peace — Art

  158. @renfro

    If you are in the trucking industry, Mr. Renfro, then you must already know a lot about how government regulation screws up business. I have a friend who was a P&D driver for many years and before that, and more recently, did over-the-road driving. There are plenty of new rules that track the rigs for keeping track of driving time per day, etc. They are not always what may make common sense for a small company either. I’d like to ask you if you would agree with the rulemaker’s argument that “hey, if we don’t do this, the owners will push the drivers beyond their limits!” Well, you should know. As an owner would you push a guy to where he may be dangerous? One wreck could put the company out of business. Like I wrote (and you may agree) the rules are made by and for the big guys.

    Now that you mentioned cowboys though, the owner/operators truckers of the 1970’s were the “cowboys” of that error, as glorified by Smokey and the Bandit and the CB radio craze (well, we didn’t have no internet!)

    Still, the cowboy meme bugs me to no end. No, I don’t see a return to roping horse and robbing trains, haha, but there is that recurrent erroneous theme that that is libertarianism. That can be quite far from the truth. Have you read anything by or of Alex de Tocqueville (sp?) who visited America of 2 centuries ago? Of course, we aren’t going back to that time, but he wrote about the many voluntary associations of Americans. Being free from rule by government organizations does not preclude, and even encourages voluntary association. Let me continue in another comment.

    • Replies: @renfro
  159. Now that is up to speed again, let me continue:

    USPA – that’s the US Parachuting Association, though most call it skydiving now. You DO NOT HAVE TO be a member of it, meaning go along with their rules to jump out of a perfectly good airplane*. It’s a non-government private association supported by skydivers’ dues.

    Now, a thing like jumping from 3 to 15 thousand feet up is something that the average person would be scared enough about, much less blow off any rules by that USPA. However, if you don’t like it (for instance, some rules about hook turns, etc) then don’t join, and jump on your own. That’s pretty ideal. In the meantime, the USPA responds to the majority of its members as far as rulemaking. If it didn’t, the support would be lost, and another, better organization would form up. Skydiving is not Big-Biz, but if it were, than anyone putting a whole bunch of money in to make the USPA require their rigs, or some such move, would just be similarly by-passed.

    Isn’t that a bit closer to freedom than rule by government?

    BTW, yes, there are some FAA rules that apply, as to where you can jump and aircraft communication with ATC, if necessary.


    * That’s a general crack – most drop zones don’t have perfectly good airplanes, so no worry about jumping out of one!

  160. renfro says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    As an owner would you push a guy to where he may be dangerous? One wreck could put the company out of business. Like I wrote (and you may agree) the rules are made by and for the big guys.

    You wouldn’t do that and I wouldnt do that but there are always some who would…..hence the regulation.

    I get your example of the US Parachuting Association – self regulated.
    Never been sky diving but I was a private plane pilot for many years so I respect the FAA regulations since without them we would have a lot of crazy yahoos in the sky.

    Probably the biggest hassle in my businesses was OSHA regulations, picky, extra cost and a lot of paperwork.

    BUT …give you a example of what can happen. The largest chicken processing plant in my state kept its fire escape door locked from the outside to prevent workers from leaving work thru those doors and taking home chicken parts.
    They had a fire, destroyed the plant and some workers were burnt alive cause they couldnt get out.
    Food Plant Fire Kills 25; Exits Blocked : Disaster: Another 40 workers hurt.
    September 04, 1991| From Associated Press

    HAMLET, N.C. — Fire engulfed a chicken processing plant Tuesday, creating an inferno in which panicked workers were trapped by blocked or locked doors, witnesses said. Authorities said 25 people were killed and 40 were injured.
    “They were screaming: ‘Let me out.’ They were beating on the door,” passerby Sam Breeden said. “The people could not force the door open.”
    Blackened footprints could be seen later on a door where workers tried to kick their way out to escape the flames

    This may or may not be related to Big Biz,,,,,as in the plant was never inspected for safety off?…who knows.
    But my point is that there is a place for government regulation. Your complaint should be not about being free of government to do whatever you want and self regulate but about how big biz can monopolize and run small business into the ground because of their control of congress.

    There is a bill in congress right now to take a portion of land that borders a public parkland from the owner based on a claim that the 100 some year old original deed boundaries were wrong.
    Every gov agency has refused to do this. So why is a congressman writing this bill? Because the group suing for/ claiming the land portion is a developer who owns adjoining land and wants to develop it for a resort and needs that piece.
    So after being turned down by all agencies the developer has paid off a congressman to write a law declaring a mistake was made years ago and the original deed is not valid.
    This is what you should be worrying about….not government itself but corrupt politicians and people in government.

  161. MarkinLA says:

    The problem with everything you have written is that most of these things are restricted or barred while you are a government employee. The problem is once you leave the government job. That is when people who used to work for the FDA become Vice President of Pfizer. That is when generals who were in charge of ABM development become Vice Presidents of Boeing’s military wing. You cannot stop that without changing the Constitution.

  162. MarkinLA says:

    The LBO craze predated Greenspan and was initiated by tax law changes that made debt a viable option for corporate finance. The blame for this was Wall Street who wanted to float corporate bonds since the stock market was dead.

    • Replies: @Art
  163. @Achmed E. Newman

    If you think “The Fountainhead” was bad (I actually liked it), try Rand’s 1200 page tome “Atlas Shrugged.” Part way thru, I couldn’t take it anymore, as her pedantic philosophical passages droned on and on for endless pages. I’ve read that it comes in second in number of sales next to the Bible. I guess there’s no accounting for taste.

    Actually “Atlas” was so long that they made into a trilogy, in which the actors were changed each time. That ruined it for me. (It’s interesting that none of them wanted to come back again). The first one wasn’t bad and the actress playing Rand’s main character, Dagny Taggart, was quite pretty. The second one was awful and the actress playing Dagny was, to be kind, well past her prime. I lost all interest in seeing the third one.

    • Replies: @apollonian
  164. apollonian says: • Website

    Ayn Rand: Excellent Student, Expositor Of Philosophy, Aristotle, And Kant

    I read “Atlas Shrugged,” by Rand, a Jew fm Russia–I thought it was a good book, esp. for Rand’s purpose of expounding a philosophy, but also to dramatize it as in a story, that philosophy being basically Aristotelian. Rand is known as a good, competent Aristotelian, and I thought I learned a lot about philosophy and good old Aristotle.

    Rand’s one anomaly is while she endorses Aristotle’s OBJECTIVITY as basic metaphysical premise, yet, typical Jew, she wants to deny DETERMINISM, absolute cause-effect, no perfectly “free” will. Typical Jew, Rand wants to preserve “free” will, hence preserving the typical Jew pretense to “good-evil.”

    Rand also does excellent job, I thought, analyzing one of the foremost philosophers of this modern age, Immanuel Kant, who ALSO wanted to preserve the pretension to “good-evil” in way of DUTY being the foundation of ethics. Rand hated Kant–even though both of them pretended to the same sort of moralism involving “good-evil.” I guess Rand thought of Kant as a rival.

    Another excellent thing about Rand is she expounded the free-market political philosophy, showing how politics follows fm ethics in proper logic and applies then to economics. So that’s why her works are so long, esp. “Atlas…,” she wanting to both (a) expound the philosophy, (b) and also to dramatizing it in a real-life depiction. I thought she did reasonably good job in accomplishing her tasks, and I’m sure lots of others appreciated it too.

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  165. joe webb says:

    Talmudic is the Rand hermeneutic. As absurd as any Philosophy based on a couple precepts not guided by Evolution, traits, genes.
    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @apollonian
  166. apollonian says: • Website
    @joe webb

    Determinism Follows FM Objectivity; Free Will And Satanism Follow FM Subjectivism

    Yes, “evolution, traits, and genes” fit in w. DETERMINISM, absolute cause-effect, no perfectly “free” will. And this “free” will conceit and presumption is what moralists, like Jews, absolutely crave and depend upon to “stimulation” and especially psychologic manipulation of people of the West who are so much brought-up on “good-evil,” guilt, and inferiority-complex.

    Hence the objective (Aristotle) reality is opposed by SUBJECTIVISM, idea reality is mere “construct” of mind/consciousness, making oneself the Godly creator of reality–satanism–the extreme of this subjectivism always amounting to outright satanism which is what Jews exploit most of all in the evermore corrupt society of subjectivism and satanism.

    Pretext to this subjectivism, hence satanism, is ALWAYS and typically moralism and “good-evil” delusion. For if one accepts the (false) premise of “free” will–he is capable of being manipulated and shamed by means of “good-evil,” and eventually to a fuller subjectivism and hence, ultimately outright satanism.

    Jews rule and dominate the satanic culture/society as they’re foremost, COLLECTIVISTIC subjectivists, co-operating and colluding by means of most sublime and effective “group-think,” Jews most committed, dedicated, and organized subjectivists–foremost Satanists. Jew subjectivism is easily verified fm Talmudic “midrash” (interpretation) and “Oral Law Tradition.”

    Thus Jews always and evermore dominate a society which is in decline, the society evermore corrupt, as described in Spengler’s “Decline of the West.”

  167. Art says:

    The LBO craze predated Greenspan and was initiated by tax law changes that made debt a viable option for corporate finance. The blame for this was Wall Street who wanted to float corporate bonds since the stock market was dead.

    Greenspan and Michael Milken kicked the destruction of the US corporation into high gear.

    What they evolved has turned badly. The US corporation was a good citizen – now it serves only its stock holders. The fiduciary responsibility to customers, employees, communities, and nation are a thing of the past.

    The Jews will suck everything dry.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

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  168. bjondo says:

    given rand’s concrete tomes free.
    good for fire starter and toilet paper.
    one way to judge this clay brain
    is from quality of her devotees:
    alan greenspan, saul ryan,
    robert rubin, larry summers.
    just these 4 a nightmare
    for dying nearly dead us of a.

    dig up her bones, return to hell.

    ron and rand are sensible on foreign policy
    and the fed. most of their ideas good
    for a 17th c country.

  169. MarkinLA says:

    The reality is the Michael Milken was not the villain. Drexel Burnham Lambert was a second tier brokerage when Milken came there. He realized that there were a lot of companies with good ideas and management who could not get money for expansion. He realized there were a lot of people with money to invest who wanted a higher return than banks could provide and didn’t want the uncertainty of stocks since the stock market was just coming out of its long bear market starting in 1966. Milken put them together.

    In those days top tier brokerages were all partnerships and IPOs were not done with unproven companies like MCI. The partners would not take the risk. It wasn’t until they became stock issuing companies where people could unload their stock and not care about the company any more did this change and well known brokerages put out really crappy IPOs.

    In the beginning Milken was making a lot of money and the companies were sound. Everybody was happy. But, like anything successful, more people got into the game (including those brokerages who originally turned up their noses at players like DBL). The more people that got in, the lower the standards had to go to get deals done. This is the dilemma of the totally free market. Prices aren’t the only thing that go down with more competition. If somebody voluntarily leaves the market, it only makes it better for everybody still in so nobody wants to be the first to close up shop.

    But the real mess was that bankruptcy laws also allowed the banks to step in and finance the reorganizations under Chapter 11 and put themselves ahead of the bondholders. It usually also results in the principals having another chance to loot what is left of the company before they need another reorg. Trump knows how this works as he has done this quite a few times.

    I even had such a experience. I had senior secured bonds on a company that went BK. By the time the second and likely last reorg was done I got 20 cents on the dollar. The pricipals had about 7 years to loot the company for themselves. The problem is that there are so many classes of bondholders with less security that will always vote to accept the reorganization plan that you are just dragged along. They are going to get virtually nothing no matter what so always vote for it. What they usually get is more bonds that will never pay cash (paid in kind) with a higher interest rate.

    Milken started it but the free market, tax law changes favoring debt, and Chapter 11 bankruptcy had more to do with it as far as I am concerned.

    It was Milton Friedman who made the case that a corporation should only care about shareholders. That idiocy took over Wall Street and corporate bordrooms everywhere. Even Jack Welch realized (long after he screwed up GE) that it was a dumb idea.

    • Replies: @Art
  170. Art says:


    Thanks for the informative reply – you know much more then I do about the actual history of the corporate decline in America.

    The instability of the total debt in the US and the ongoing transfer of US wealth into Jew hands happened on Greenspan’s watch.

    Someone needs to write that sorted story.

    Think Peace — Art

  171. He blinked and then batted his eyes.

  172. @follyofwar

    Mexicans have street cred. That won’t take you too far (at least for now). I see a class of corrupt mostly Indian [dot] and some Chinese oligarchs taking the place of them jooz or more likely replacing the WASP as the putative tier II elite

  173. @EliteCommInc.

    Per household, Bigly Government bails out its favorite citizen / noncitizen serfs, the womb-productive ones. It is all done in the cause of protecting wealth concentration by lowering labor costs, with babies and their mommas used as PR devices to sell the concept, just like they are used to sell soap.

    Feminist—my **.

    The womb-productivity spoils system within our system of corporate feudalism is in no way feminist in its mechanics, not that feminism is good beyond clearing the path for the few women who truly advance their fields. But a womb-productivity spoils system—with tax favoritism, welfare money and absenteeism privileges for womb producers linked to work—is not feminist.

    This rigged system has helped to lower wages and hours for single breadwinners living on earned-only income for 40 years, but it has not increased family formation, the number of middle-class households or the number of women who will retire into paid-for homes. Paid-for-homes at retirement were the norm for the stay-at-home moms in past eras. But that was before fake feminism worked its magic.

    Some say financiers who control the money system fueled this fake-feminist spoils system, wherein couples in the dual-earner economy chase too-big-for-their-pocketbook houses in a consumption-based economy, with the poverty industry reaping even bigger profits by catering to the households with single breadwinners, like non-welfare-eligible non-custodial dads who are not paid by Big Government for their part in the sex and reproduction.

    The poverty industry profits so much via sky-high interest rates.

    There used to be a whole wing of the poverty industry, skimming off the hugely cash-assistance welfare checks, given to single mothers through the progressive tax code.

    Some blame it all on the rentier skims, but it takes two (or even three) to tango.

    I still think the fake feminists, themselves, had a big part in it. It is easier to work part time, or in a voted-best-for-moms office job, enjoying mom-themed work parties between excused-absenteeism jaunts tolerated by crony-parent managers, with doting grandparents serving as groveling babysitters or with low-wage daycare workers doing the heavy lifting of parenthood. It is easier than doing the everyday / all-day chore of raising your own kids, especially in the automation era, when computers do more and more of the work, enabling all of the lax family-friendly absenteeism and the workplace celebrations of parenthood.

    It took Democratic politicians who benefit, too, not just from all the lobbyist money, rolling in from corporations and their investments in this rigged economy, but by securing \$174 legislative salaries by pandering to so-called “working families.”

    This rigged system has dulled, destroyed really, the individual initiative needed for real capitalism to thrive.

    Under the guise of helping mommies and babies, the rigging has also destroyed many individual US citizens.

    The USA does not have the high birth rate, sought out as some kind of paneca for a consumption-based economy, and, at the same time, has a falling life expectancy rate for middle-aged whites, trying to navigate a brutally rigged economic system without the benefit of Big .Gov’s womb-focused “benevolence.”

    Despite the tear-jerking use of family imagery in the service of justifying a rigged system, the traditional family structure is in a state of controlled demolition.

    People obfuscate the system, refusing to specify details since the details are hard to spin.

    Within the bureaucratic boundary of which parent has custody of the kids—and with the illegal alien population gaming the system to pursue stay-at-home motherhood via US taxpayers—Big .Gov uses the multi-spoked pay-per-birth welfare system to bail out those able to provide the cheapest labor. Gov does this bailout via monthly welfare that pumps up their paltry earned income, making it possible for them to afford things like insurmountable rent costs.

    Even when working the part-time and temp gigs of the automation era, staying under the earned-income limits for welfare programs during working months in single-breadwinner households with kids, the bailed-out serfs have “independent” households, financed by government, but they are not mostly traditional families.

    Big Government also bails out its favorites in business—that is Big Global Businesses, using cheap labor from foreign nationals here and abroad, not the small mom & pop shops that used to provide an alternative means to a semi-middle-class life in the closed system of this capitalist-lite fiefdom.

    Now, it is all top-down, with less and less small business activity other than a burgeoning black-market economy of gig-employed itinerants, mostly under-the-table illegal immigrants who, when they don’t take what is left of the factory jobs and the farm jobs, do side-hustle gigs, with their wives or girlfriends pumping out US-born kids who qualify them for welfare. They report just enough income from male-breadwinner, multi-family households to government caseworkers, thereby staying under the earned-income limits for multiple welfare programs.

    It is not just a little assistance to help the “poor” babies and the mommas stay afloat.

    Cumulatively, it is hundreds in monthly EBT food, hundreds in monthly cash assistance that also increases per birth of a US-born kid, electricity assistance, rental assistance and up to \$6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash for the non-income-tax-paying parents to spend as they please, frequently on non-virtuous parent-pampering items that serve their leisure or vanity purposes.

    When added up, the unearned income from .Gov that rewards sex and reproduction in single-breadwinner households dwarfs earned-only income from many of America’s churn jobs, but many womb-productive citizen and noncitizens get that unearned income on top of wages during working months. They also get it between churn jobs, whereas non-welfare-eligible, non-womb-productive citizens have nothing to cover rent and food until they find another churn job. Nor do they have anything in the lengthy period of 3 weeks to one month before they get their first paycheck from the new churn job.

    You don’t hear those furloughed, weeping, dual-earner “working families” bemoaning that glaring unfairness, do you?

    You do hear dual-earner families, with two streams of earned income pumped up by non-refundable child tax credits in the thousands, witholding that ensures bigger paychecks for parents and two sets of benefits per household, talking about the kids that help define them as “culture fits” in the many workplaces with almost 100% parent employees. For these serious professionals, job duties are secondary to family life. These are the so-called “careers” that above-firing parents pursue with so much excused absenteeism in the fake-feminist / family-friendly era.

    But “working families” can get much more bail-out money from Big Government by avoiding marriage, reproducing in single-breadwinner households. A single mom can afford to work part time, for extremely low wages, or in a temp capacity. Multiple streams of welfare and refundable tax-welfare checks up to \$6,431 facilitate single moms in dominating many of America’s voted-best-for-moms office jobs—from the big corporate call centers and the corporate back offices to the smaller offices—driving down wages and hours for millions of citizens whose earned-only income is not propped up by Big Government.

    Part-time working, married moms often serve the same function, helping to prop up the declining incomes of their husbands, just like welfare props up the wages of the single moms, with Big Government making sure that, in either case, their wages are also supplemented by taxpayers through withholding and the progressive tax code.

    This womb-productivity spoils system is detrimental to individual job seekers, needing for earned-only income (without spousal income) to cover all household bills—the very group that, along with male, married breadwinners, used to dominate most jobs out of necessity….due to the lack of other income streams. Wages were high enough then for most women to raise their own children, rather than putting that work off on poorly paid daycare workers or grandparents.

    While it keeps the serfs’ wages low and the mansion class’s cathedral ceilings ever higher, it is not bolstering the traditional family except maybe the traditional families of legal immigrants.

    My red-state city is awash with illegal immigrants, partaking of the pay-per-birth smorgasbord of monthly welfare and progressive tax code cash assistance, working for beans while undecuttimg US citizens. It is also awash with legal immigrants, mostly Indians coming in to fill the mid-level tech positions hyped by the media, the kind of jobs that otherwise would be filled by citizens who attend community colleges and state universities, majoring in practical fields, like IT, rather than impractical fields like English, history, psychology, sociology, feminist basket weaving,
    African American studies, political science, etc.

    Plenty of Americans have done the virtuous thing, education-wise, with no reward other than the mocking sing song from buzzword-wielding crony elites, claiming that more “education”—and now more “skills”—is the solution to the sink hole that is consuming the US middle class.

    Meanwhile, multinational companies, in league with Big Government, have for decades promoted the lie that more education is the means to a middle-class life, starting with Bill Clinton’s “preparing for the jobs of the future” that never came. We instead saw mammoth increases in underemployment of US citizens, record laborforce-participation withdrawal from a rigged system wherein hard work does not pay and increased suicide rates for whites.

    But those affiliated with the Big Global Business / Big Government / Big Ed troïka have have made bank off of the misery, including those cashing in via the many poverty-industry businesses, serving the underemployed and unrepresnted citizens of a former republic.

    One of them is a multi-billionaire who worked for Bill Clinton at the time when ruinous policies, like NAFTA, were in the nascent stages. He went on to be a payday-loan billionaire by seeing the potential of stripping the USA of jobs that pay enough to keep a roof over the heads of citizens. When millions of jobs are shipped to foreign countries with unlimited low-cost labor pools, with hordes of welfare-assisted / womb-productive immigrants replacing Americans in the jobs left in the USA, the poverty industry booms…..until the robots take over.

    But it was not just the skimmers who profited; it was the offshoring manufacturers and the calculating employers of welfare-aided immigrants (and citizens with unearned income).

    No matter how many verses are added, the song and dance of the chattering classes does not match ground-level reality for most Americans, and the middle-class demolition has been going on for a long time:

    That said, some Americans will always need a college education, particularly the most intelligent ones pursuing fields related to public safety. A few will always pursue it just for the civilizing purpose of intellectual enrichment.

    But no, in the churn-job market, it won’t help most underemployed citizens to incur that debt, jumping through those hoops like mice on a treadmill, ending up facing a jobs landscape where most employers, for most positions, are not looking for educated [or skilled] workers.

    Thanks to decades of economic rigging by the Uniparty, employers are looking for employees with somethin’ comin’ in” from a spouse, an ex spouse, welfare, child tax credits or the SS retirement fund—“somethin” that makes it possible to cover bills on the low and sporadic trickle of part-time / temp pay.

    Even if they don’t have debt upon finishing a degree, paper credentials won’t help most job seekers, not with the cynical citizen-replacement strategy continuing to be deployed by our bought-off politicians on the so-called left and the so-called right, regardless of the voters’ will.

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